The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 342 - Bedlam on Wall Street, Jack Conklin, Stipe Miocic, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 28, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat all the wild stuff going on on Wall Street, with Wall Street Bets, Gamestop, AMC, and the people holding the line and cashing out. They also discuss the breaking news that DeShaun Watson has officially requested a trade from the Texans and speculate on the few teams who might be in the race for Watson and Matt Stafford. Also joining the program is 2x All-Pro, Tackle for the Cleveland Browns, Jack Conklin joins the show to chat about the Browns turning the culture around, the differences between Kevin Stefanski and Mike Vrabel, how difficult it was being a new player on the Browns with Covid going on, why he thinks the Browns are going in the right direction, and what he's going to do during the offseason (27:35-45:05). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk welcome in 2x and current UFC Heavyweight Champion, the greatest Heavyweight in the history of the UFC, and friend of the program, Stipe Miocic to chat about his upcoming fight with Francis Ngannou, if he's in training camp right now, what his training schedule is like, how often he's been putting fires out in the mean time, what his relationship with Dana White is like, and much more (58:34-1:20:13). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Thursday, January 28th, insane day, but I think you're going to enjoy the hell out of these conversations, don't you think, Ty? Yeah, absolutely. Fun show today. A lot to talk about. Let's go ahead and have a good time, shall we? If you enjoy the show by the end of it, please tell somebody. If not, just act like it never happened.

Let's get to it, Ty. Speaking of dropping, Scorch have been doing that this morning, but now they're holding the line and fighting back. Yesterday, we talked about everything going on with GameStop, AMC, Nokia, in the Wall Street bet situation that's taking down the stock market. This morning it was hard not to just watch that entire run. GameStop was making a run. It was climbing.

It was climbing. It was falling. It was falling. It was falling. Then it was fighting back up. Then we're going there. We're going again. And then everything just started to collapse because Robin Hood was not Robin Hood.

Robin Hood was stealing from the poor and giving to the rich, not allowing a free market to happen, which is what they promote and which I promoted for them while reading Robin Hood app ads on this show. I'd like to let you know that i apologize for doing so i had no idea that this was just a group of people involved in something that's been around since 1792 what is when this new york stock exchange began 1792 and for a long long time long time a lot of people didn't understand what was going on over there there was only a few people that go in there you see these videos and people hey you see a lot of yell and everything like that and if you're not from this city and you're not in the economic world you have no idea what's going on but then robin hood was introduced e-trade was introduced these places were introduced like hey we're gonna make it simpler for you we're gonna do what you need to do turns out that was probably

all one big sham from the robin hood folks and i believe some other people they were just trying to get your money in there to keep Ferris wheel going around because now that you've actually figured it out and got a chance to win some money, the people that you're winning the money from, guess what? On the other side of Robinhood, they say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Shut that son of a bitch down this morning.

You can buy stocks in the ones that are going to lose. You can't buy the ones that are currently winning. Not on this app. No way. And I guess we should have expected this from Robin Hood and the others over there. And I feel like I've never been involved in the stock. Okay, not my thing. I've had a lot of people come pitch me to get involved in there, obviously. When you don't come from money, then you make money.

Obviously, you've got all these financial experts that want to take your money and do things with your money to make you more money. But it feels like nobody ever really, you know, sees the money that they make until a long time from now. I might die tomorrow. Who the fuck wants to play that game? How much money are you making off of my money all of a sudden? I had a lot of questions,

and that was probably pretty difficult to deal with, but there was a lot of people that got in there, and I never really understood the whole thing. It felt like, you know, I used to be a card player. Oh, yeah. I used to be a card player. There's a couple games that I walked into in my past where it felt like the dealer and a couple people at the table

knew each other a little bit too well. And I'm not saying that they were rigging the deck, which is very difficult to do, but it felt like there was potentially some signals going on and things happening. And you don't want to cause a big, you just go like, okay, hey, I understand what's going on here. You kind of play it cool and you go like, hey, no harm, no foul.

See you later. Not going to take money. Turns out that's exactly what the stock market has been. Yeah. The dealer has had a couple of friends that have been in the whole thing. They've kind of been controlling the whole goddamn thing. And now everybody else at the table is like, got you, bitch. And you can imagine that the dealer and their friends are going to shut everything down.

I'm excited to see how this pans out. This is a big sports show. and we love talking sports gambling. And since 1792, Wall Street was basically the first gamble that you could possibly have. And that's how you tie in a stock market into a sports show here on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Sports Radio. Tease and peace to everybody that was on a magical run, just making money, hand over,

kid turned 50 grand into 15 million the other day on GameStop, and I'm assuming there's going to be other stories that come out, but it feels like that thing's potentially a little bit moving, a little volatile. Everybody on the internet saying, hold the line, hold the line, because the short thing, I guess,

expires here in a couple days, so if you really want to do your duty or whatever with the hedge funds that are betting against companies and trying to bury companies and everything like that, they're saying hold the line. I want to let you know, I did not get involved in this game, but from watching outside,

I bet it's going to be very difficult for a lot of you guys to hold the line. Yeah. Because the entire thing about stock market, buy low, sell high. Some of these companies, we all know, there ain't no way that company's ever getting back that high again. And if we're going to take a little something

from the uber-selfish rich folks that have run Wall Street for a long time, to buy low, sell high, that's what they do, unless you flip that thing with the short and they try to bury companies and whatever. It's going to be difficult to hold the line, but those of you that are out there doing it, you know, trying to fight against big thing,

hey, good on you. More power to you. I don't think it's going to end well. end well no no i do believe there's a chance that there could be some you know rippling effects from this whole thing with a lot of things oh yeah and when you're talking about a company that lost 13.1 billion dollars the other day the hedge fund uh that shorted gamestop basically and then wall street bets on reddit found out about it and was like well hey what we gonna do. We're gonna go ahead and flip that script.

And they lost $13.1 billion, and they had to file for bankruptcy because they didn't have enough money to make up for the whole thing. So the richest people in their time, okay, those people that are running those hedge funds, became the brokest people in their times overnight. I'm not 100% sure that's going to go quietly.

No, I don't think so. I think this is the world, you know, standing up against a lot of big corporations, big things that have been in power for a long time. Good luck out there. As a person that's on the outside looking in, I do believe there's going to be fireworks. And I'm excited to see how it all plays out.

Know that this show has always been on the side of, we are against the idiots getting in the way of people doing good things. A lot of people making good money right now in a world that they never got to make money because it felt like it was rigged by the idiots against everybody. Now, everything has flipped on

its head. And that's where our show stands. Other big news in the sports world, obviously there is actual news. Deshaun Watson has officially said i went out of town houston texans uh jack easterby and cal mcnair the two that run that squad uh keep please put this picture of jack easterby up real quick bingo this guy wow that photo preach Wow. That photo. Preach. Can I get an amen? That's what's coming out of his face right there. You see, he's literally, can I get an amen right there?

And listen, there's nothing wrong with you being religious or being a priest or a pastor or a chaplain, whatever you are. People are making money in many different ways these days. Do whatever you got to do. Whatever your calling is, the Lord called him. But I think whenever you go in and potentially brainwash somebody who's an owner who's in charge of some things and it potentially looks that way you know some people are going to have a negative reaction to it and that has happened down there in houston we have no idea of bill o'brien which team he was on how that whole situation panned out but the casario gm hiring from new england which was potentially by this easterby guy from the Patriots,

who comes down to Cal McNair, prays with him, becomes his good side, starts being the one making the decisions around there. The Casario hiring obviously frustrated Deshaun Watson, kind of boiling point. Here we go. Now, as of today, after they hired David Cauley as their head coach, by the way, 65-year-old man who's been in football for a long time, formerly the passing coordinator for Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. He's now the head coach for the Houston Texans.

And as soon as that happened this morning, Deshaun Watson woke up and said, All right, officially get me the fuck out of here. I'm excited to see how it all plays out because there's two different sides of this whole thing. They can trade away Deshaun Watson. I assume they get some draft capital. It will still cost them about $22 million in dead cap space the next two years. It can either be spread up by $5 million one year and then $16 point something the other year,

or they can take the entire $21 point something hit next year. We all assume it will be split up amongst the two years. His contract, if you view Deshaun Watson as the premier guy, which a lot of people do, point something hit next year we all assume it'll be split up amongst the two years his contract if you view Deshaun Watson as the premier guy which a lot of people do one of the premier guys up there very easy to take on if you have picks go ahead and make the play but also if Deshaun Watson doesn't want to play in Houston and the Houston Texans say god bless you son but we ain't getting you out of here you're staying in Houston Houston. We already lost. This city's already lost. Russell Westbrook, James Harden. Basically, every star we've ever had is already getting out of town.

You are staying here. And Deshaun Watson goes, nope, God bless you, ain't doing it. They can fine him like $50,000 a day. Damn. Lose $21 million over a season or something like that. So this could get pretty big. Who knows where he'll end up. One of those teams potentially.

I didn't see a Photoshop, but I'm sure you wouldn't mind pittsburgh steelers with deshaun watson at tone digs how do you feel i'd take them depending on you know it would never happen for the steelers but depending on what you have to give up to get them i mean his contract is very actually nice for the next four or five years whatever it is but if you're the texans you could play hardball and you could take50,000 out of his pocket or whatever every single day. But wouldn't it just be better just to, like, get rid of it? That's not going to help him. He's not going to come back and want to play more. Wouldn't it just be like, hey, let's just deal with this now.

It was a bad situation. Probably Billy O'Stuge's fault. Okay, okay, listen to what you just said there. For them just to be like, yeah, okay, let's get rid of this. This is a situation. That has never been the NFL. The NFL has always been in control. Just like the Hanks fighters have been in control of Wall Street,

and you've got people climbing up the stock ladders, saying, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. What if Cal McNair and Easterby are like, this is our team. This isn't Deshaun Watson's team. He signed our contract just less than a year ago for $170-whatever-million, $140-whatever-million it was. He's here, and if he doesn't like being here, that's on him. It's going to cost him a lot of money.

We don't care if he shows up looking like James Harden. You just got to show up, bud. That's on you. They could do that, and I think that is something that a lot of people in the football world have been talking about. Like, there's a chance that the Houston Texans aren't a part of this entire media narrative that's happening. Maybe it's just Deshaun Watson's people are like, hey, he wants out, we want him out of here.

Maybe Deshaun wants out of there. Has anything been said from the Houston Texans, Cal McNair or Easterby, on how they feel about this? And by the way, that's hilarious that we're referring to Houston Texans. Cal McNair, owner of the team. Easterby, former chaplain of the New England Patriots. Have Cal McNair or Jack Easterby said anything that they would even participate in this conversation?

Or Casario? I don't think they have. So, I mean, at Boston, Connor, the New England Patriots is going to need a new quarterback. What are you guys going to do? I mean, we're in the hunts, and you mentioned how Easterby, you know, he's a big praying guy, but he's not praying to God. He's praying to his Lord and Savior, Bill Belichick.

So I'm expecting Easterby and to Casario put their brains together. Hey, look, the Patriots gave us everything. Let's just give them to Sean Watson. Why not? We'll get in the keel hairy. We'll be fine next year. So next year, you'll have a bunch of picks down there in Houston. You'll be praying to your Lord and Savior, Bill Belichick.

That's right. And you'll get a chance just to run an entire place into a ground right underneath Cal McNair's nose. Exactly. It'd be wonderful. I mean, they're already doing it. Might as well just go full send and just fucking ruin the thing. This stinks for Texans fans.

J.J. Watt's gone probably. I mean, it saves him $17 million in his last year if they cut him. The cap's going down. You'd assume that that is going to be a potential cap casualty, even though J.J. Watts, an absolute stud. Now you lose to Sean Watts, and those two guys are what? Every single page of your program at your stadium, and now you have to completely change everything over.

And you have to sell your fan base on the fact that the people that are making decisions are making the right decisions. Oh, yeah. DeAndre Hopkins makes that catch over four people on the Hail Murray or whatever. I'm sure there's a lot of people in Houston that were like, oh, you guys are making the right decisions. That was a fourth-round pick you just sent out there.

It's going to be tough to win that fan base who is very passionate, very loyal back over, especially when it's been a long-ass time and they never had a quarterback until Deshaun showed up. And it's like, yep, get the fuck out of town because we don't know how to handle like relationships with people. So, fucking either bread or get on. I mean, Hopkins had that unbelievable catch. But David Johnson had, what, five touchdowns?

Like, 500 yards this year? Do you remember the beginning of the season, by the way? That first game. That first game. It looked unbelievable. They'll be fine with David Johnson. Yeah, I feel bad for Texans fans, for sure. But it feels like he's going to be on the move.

Is he going to New York? Is he going to Miami be on the move. Is he going to New York? Is he going to Miami? I hope not. Is he going to New England? Is he going to Jacksonville? People are saying potentially Jacksonville because that's the number one overall pick, by the way. Shout out Trevor Lawrence going to Houston Texans, is that what people are saying? Hope you like praying. Wait, wait, wait. When I declared,

I did not know. I was going to Duval. Irvin Meyer. I was going to Duval. Irvin Meyer. I was going to Irvin Meyer. Con has that pool paradise down there. There's no state income tax. Well, tax is also the same thing, I believe. So that's okay. But I thought I was going to a program that we were trying to build up.

Here we are. One that's just tearing down the whole thing. At Ty Schmidt. Intriguing information coming out of our conversation with Aaron Rodgers on Tuesday. Aaron talked about how it would be the dream to be a Green Bay Packer for the rest of his career. But then whenever the draft happened, he had to face reality that his future is out of his control. It's what he told us, basically. And in turn, instead of a Spite store, instead of Mocha Joe's competitor,

he flipped it and made it a very positive thing. He said, like, it's not what happens, it's how I react to happiness, positive love, and everything like that. And that's kind of how he's been all season, by the way. It's been awesome to kind of talk to him and see. And then everybody had to react. Well, you know, he kind of did this. Our journalism got questioned by

everybody, and then he moved forward. Now there's a chance. Old Shefty said this morning, by the way, I'm a big Shefty guy. We're big Shefty guys. Huge. Shefty said this morning, by the way, I'm a big Shefty guy. We're big Shefty guys. Oh, yeah. Shefty said that maybe Aaron doesn't want out, and maybe the coaches don't want Aaron out, but he's not 100% sure that everybody in that building wants Aaron to stay. Is Gunther Kintz and Mark Murphy fucking telling everybody behind the scenes,

hey, listen, we're not sold on this guy. So if you want to come and get him, go ahead and get him. We got a guy in Jordan Love ready to go. And by the way, this exact quote right here is exactly how you keep the conversation that started on Monday continuing and going and going because Mark Murphy came out and said we're not idiots here and he's going to be our quarterback. But Shefty isn't just making things up. What we have learned from, you learned from Pellicero,

the rap sheet, Shefty, Field, Jet, all the insiders we talked to, they're not just making things. Sources are telling them something. I'm very intrigued by this. If Goontagoon wants to run Aaron out of time. Yeah, me too. I don't know if it's him. I don't know if it's Mark

Murphy. A lot of people, they'll come at you and say that he doesn't believe that. And they were just, you know, I mean, good franchises. They draft a quarterback to prepare for the future. I mean, we rehashed it all season. That's not what happened. Obviously, they thought he was declining a little bit. Otherwise, they wouldn't have invested so much in moving up to get this guy. Do you think at this point, though, with everything that's being said,

like, I mean, you know, like the egos that are potentially in there more do you think he's just like he's like all right well i'm gonna i'm gonna die on the cliff with with jordan love that no matter what i don't care you saw with pace right for a long time with mitchell trubisky yeah you you see that type of thing and i got a chance to experience it a little bit with trent richardson we traded a one for him and it was obviously not work like it was not work for whatever reason it was not working but he's number one overall worth two number one overalls in total but whenever he came in for whatever reason it wasn't working whether it was team's fault coach fault scheme fault Trent's fault whoever's fault it was it wasn't working and we had a team and we continue to play him right continue to start him

continue to start him continue to do start them, continued to do it. And that's either because it's the ego, like this is my – this is the best player, I know it. Or maybe it's, hey, we invested a lot. Let's give them a little bit of time here to try to figure it out. I'm intrigued if you're just going to – what are you going to do, just sit on Jordan Love? He was the number one overall pick.

He didn't even dress this year. Are you just going to sit on that? Are you going to say, okay, this didn't work? Or are you just going to do what has happened in the past where egos will get in the way and ideas, and maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong. They're in a position that we're not for a reason. But you can see how they could potentially think our brains are bigger than everybody else's, even though you got the MVP playing

fucking quarterback right now. Well, and that's why it never made any sense to think that Rodgers would go somewhere next year because Jordan Love clearly isn isn't ready to play they'd basically be punting on next season and if they think they have a championship roster like you you just you wouldn't do that and i think i never really thought that rogers leaving green bay would be a thing until you you started talking about like well yeah i mean i saw him cut peyton manning like when you hear something like that it's like peyton manning so when he says like there's no absolutes like obviously he you know he he wants to be there i think but you just you just never know what

ulterior motives are going on and by the way that wasn't just peyton that got cut i mean a lot of my friends at the time got cut and they were all very big name players yeah i was getting like text messages from guys telling me like yo hey man, hey, man, it's been fun. Have a good one. Don't answer, by the way, if they're calling. It's cutting everybody out here. That really happened. Now, that was with the turnover of New Regime,

and Andrew Luck was sitting there, and it was like, all right, this is the time to kind of retool if we were to do so. But still, it's Peyton fucking Manning. 13 seconds was the conversation length for him to get into hall of fame the other day and he got cut now there's also a injury thing there where he had just got a spinal uh fusion yeah fusion or something like that something happened Andrew Luck sitting there there's a salary whatever there's a lot of shit but still Peyton Manning got cut I mean that is Jeff Saturday got cut. There was,

I mean, Dallas Clark got cut. There was a lot of people that just kind of like, yeah, you're not welcome here anymore. See you later. And that happens, and that was just for the Colts, by the way. That happens in a lot of places. So whenever Aaron, very humbly, by the way, that is an incredibly

humbling thought for him to be having, especially after you just had. Like, yeah, who knows what's going to happen. Instead of getting attacked for it, it's like, yo, that's potential real life, though. Well, and especially like an upcoming offseason like this where there's so much uncertainty and you have no idea where the cap's going to be at. A bunch of teams are going to be over it. You really, again, don't know what people are going to do.

Again, I don't think he's going anywhere. I don't think he really thinks he's going anywhere. But, I mean, anything's possible. Henny-thing is possible, too. Where's Chad Henny going? Does anybody know if his contract is up? Does anybody know if Chad Henny's contract is up? I saw a couple people in the YouTube comments say, Watson to the Broncos.

The Broncos are in the quarterback market, it sounds like. Every name that pops up, everybody goes, Broncos, Broncos, Broncos. Now, allegedly, Matthew Stafford's potentially going to the Niners. Come on! So far away! It's too far. We're right here. It's nice out there. It is nice out there. Somebody explain. I mean, nobody has to explain.

He's a very smart person. He's made a lot of money, but Matty, that city kicked their team out of town. Okay, so go play in fucking Arizona, dude. That team, that city's going to tax you 70% So go play in fucking Arizona, dude. That team, that city is going to tax you 70% of your money you're going to make. Not here in Indy. Now listen, is Shanahan here?

No, no, no. And I understand where that could be. We got Frank Reich, though. You remember what Frank Reich did to that broken-ass quarterback Carson Wentz? Oh, God. Especially, you know, we got Pittman Jr. getting hot out there. Jack Doyle's been joining in Taylor. Naheed Himes. Oh, the house you could buy here.

Oh, Matty. Come on. That's what I think about the Niners. Turns out I think the Niners are in the lead for who he's probably going to end up with, and that is all coming from information that we don't know where it's coming from. So we have no idea. Dan Cilioilio by the way shout out to him i do believe he was the one of the first ones to say that matthew stafford's out of detroit and then we started a conversation and something happened and people got mad at us and the whole thing and it was also chad brand yep over in denver

so they were kind of on it early he dan cilio here. Cilio? Cilio. Sounds right. Cilio! Dan Cilio. Former Lions quarterback. He tweets, former Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford with a hashtag there. Preferred destinations for... That's an interesting hashtag. Huh.

Did he think there's just hashtags of Matthew Stafford out there? People looking them up. Yeah. Okay, I get it. Right to the top. That makes sense because if you put the hashtag in there, when everybody clicks on that hashtag, it'll all line up in there. I guess.

Cilio. Dan Cilio. Dan Cilio. That's laughing. Head of the curve. Dan Cilio. Well, why wouldn't he put QB in there, too? Because a lot of people are searching QBs.

True, and hashtag Lions. Well, the Lions, the at, you know what I mean? You have to give it a little legitimacy. At Lions. And by the way, former period at Lions. Yeah. Hashtag NFL would have been a good one, too. No, but he wanted the actual NFL.

He wanted to give the Shields some credit. Yeah, which is smart. Hashtag MCDC. I like Dancilio, but this tweet, there's a lot left to be desired here. Anyways, hashtag Matthew Stafford's preferred destinations for the 2021 NFL season. So this is Matthew Stafford's preferred destination. So Matthew Stafford or somebody very close to Matthew Stafford had to tell Dan Cilio. So shout out to Dan Cilio having to plug on one of the biggest stories of the NFL right now.

He says that the 49ers are his number one preferred destination. The Colts are number two preferred destination, which we need to change. The Jets are three. Chicago Bears at four. And then Panthers at five, which after Matt Rule's conversation about Teddy Bridgewater, seems like they're going to be in a play for a quarterback. It's going to be competition for Teddy.

He has to pick it up. Matt Rule came out and said a lot of stuff. Very interesting. He was very open, very has to pick it up. Matt Rule came out and said a lot of stuff. Very interesting. He was very open, very transparent, which we appreciate from Matt Rule, but Teddy Bridgewater is not safe down there in Carolina. So will they be in the quarterback sweepstakes for Deshaun Watson or anybody else? Who knows how many picks they have or anything like that. But let's hope Matthew

Stafford comes to Goddamn Colts. 49ers, by the way, with Matthew Stafford, problem. Yeah, it'd be very, very good. That is a real problem. By the way, the other day we put Aaron Rodgers on the 49ers. A lot of people did, and we thought to ourselves, oh, man, that team's a problem. Matthew Stafford up there, team's still quite a problem. Isn't that quite a shame for Jimmy G, though,

that we're putting other quarterbacks, and we're just like, man, if these good quarterbacks were to go there, it'd be fucking great. And Jimmy G's like, well, I am here. Sorry, James. He's made a lot of money. A lot of money. Had quite a life over there.

Missed a few throws. Horn stars. He missed one throw that caused quite a conversation. That was in the Super Bowl. If that thing's seven yards shorter, 21 feet shorter, that thing, we're not even having this conversation last year about Tom Brady or right now about Matthew Stafford or Aaron potentially going there. Would Stafford really put the Bears on one of his top five teams

where he'd want to go to? The one that confuses me is the Jets. Why would the Jets be on that list if he wants to go win? I was with him. That's real. Maybe he doesn't. That's the one that makes no sense to me. He trusts in Slott.

Bob Slott. Yeah. From town. He's got a chance to chat with him. Not Dan Campbell. He's from Detroit.. Bob Slott. Yeah. From time. He's gotten a chance to chat with him. Not Dan Campbell. He's from Detroit. Motor City Dan. By the way, that decision was made before Motor City Dan.

That's what they've said. Yeah, they have said that. But I just hope. I mean, it's said. We're showing highlights of Matthew Stafford this morning, by the way, on TV. So good. I feel like a lot of people right now are just getting introduced to Matthew Stafford because he's been in the wasteland for the last 13-14 years

or whatever you part ways with him because he's at the point I think because he's just a football player a loyal teammate and everything like that somebody had to potentially speak for him and go hey listen Matthew somebody has to do this for you

because if you heard the conversation about Phillip Rivers right now you have it Phillip Rivers is getting buried everywhere. 17 years this guy was starting. Made it to an AFC championship. 17 years starting quarterback. He's talked about as not even being one of the greats of all time because the Chargers

and the Colts, when he was there, didn't go on a run to the Super Bowl. Do you think this Lions team's ever going to do that, Matthew? He's like, yeah, I want to go down Woodward, actually. And they're like, well, they're not. Okay, Matthew just we need you to go away for like a month or so we're going to handle this now Matthew wants fucking out of here and then Matthew comes back and I'm getting traded they agreed to it you're welcome shut the fuck up that's but if that's how it went I have a lot of respect for Matthew Stafford obviously yeah just like I had a lot

of respect for Philip Rivers like just just doing ite burrow going to cincy the conversation of like he potentially wants to hold out because the organization isn't an organization that'll ever go all in to win a super bowl they might try to put a team together that's good but they'll never go all in to win a super bowl like teams that are in the super bowl right now aside from the packers in the conversation have chosen to do where does he go he comes to colts i think there's a real conversation about that team making a run and i think if he comes to the colts you bring in marvin jones who's a free agent or if let's get crazy kenny galladay you sign him i mean that's a team right there yeah so i think we'd relax on the the hiring and

signing of more lions in order yeah Probably. Chris Conway, potentially. TY is up. He's already getting his thing on the side of the stadium. I'll say Allen Robinson. Allen Robinson is going to be, because they didn't extend A-Rob or whatever, they could have done that. It's going to be a deep wide receiver market. Let's not get automatically connected to just more Lions players inside of our building.

All right. Good connection. That's all I was thinking. Maybe Calvin Johnson, too. Now, Chris Ballard should potentially think about it. Yeah, yeah. AB too. At Viva Lozito, your poll today revolves around Matthew Stafford

and Deshaun Watson. I'm intrigued to hear how this one is panning out on at Viva Lozito's Twitter account. Yep. Today, allegedly, almost a third of the NFL reached out to the Lions about trading for Matthew Stafford. Will more or less teams reach out to the Texans about Deshaun Watson? Right now, less than a third is at 26.8%, more than a third, 73.2%.

See, it's interesting because Deshaun Watson's asking price and contract much, much, much larger. So everybody in this conversation is voting, it seems like, and I might be wrong, and I'm not thinking for all 5,400 people that have voted thus far. By the way, promote the vote at Viva Lozito. It's one of his last tweets or whatever. Deshaun Watson, obviously, these people were saying, much better quarterback than Matthew Stafford, right?

Deshaun Watson had one of the best years he's ever had, looked amazing, and they lost 12 games this year so he's in a bad spot just like matthew stafford has been in a bad spot but anytime you talk about a trade and we mentioned this in every single situation with the carson went situation with this there's what's coming alongside of it deshaun watson's contract if you love deshaun watson is a very easy, tradable contract to get. It's not the biggest. He is owed money already.

But if you believe he's your guy, one of the guys who can get your team to a Super Bowl, it's not that bad. But Matthew Stafford's asking is probably one first-rounder and a couple other things. Deshaun's probably going to get two to three first-rounders. The thing that it's going probably going to get two to three first rounders. I mean, the thing that it's going to take to get Matthew Stafford and to get Deshaun Watson are going to be a bit different, but I would assume that there'll be natural fits in both situations.

They're more or a little bit less than a third of the NFL reached out for Matthew Stafford. So that means there's what 10 teams looking to change their quarterback. There's a big market for these quarterbacks. Who's going to get left out in will deshaun watson get traded that is the conversation piece of the nfl for what the next two months for a long long time the browns is the browns dude okay long long time and then this year, Andrew Barry becomes general manager. Stefanski becomes the head coach.

Baker Mayfield seemed to find his groove. Two running backs got going, and they got into the playoffs this year. Hey, here we go, Cleveland Browns. Here we go. And it seems like there's no slowing down right now for the Cleveland Browns. Joining us, a massive asset that was added to the roster to add to the success of their run game that has two incredible running backs, formerly of the Tennessee Titans, now right tackle for the

Cleveland Browns, ladies and gentlemen, Jack Cohn. How's it going, Jack? Good. Thanks for having me on. Hey! Did you see that? That's pretty good form right there. Thank you. You see, keep the chest square. You know what I mean? Keep the legs driving and pump the arms as if I'm fighting somebody. Jack, the success in Cleveland, you weren't there, obviously, for any of the down times for the Cleveland Browns. But this year, the incredible success that you guys had, how did it feel in there? Was it an odd, does it feel like that culture

is only getting started in the organization? Yeah, definitely. No, I think it was actually pretty crazy, I think, how it all, how quickly it all took, you know, especially this year with COVID, having the new staff, having a lot of new guys brought in, for us to be able to, you know, we took a beat in that first week against the Ravens, you know,

and I think that was really what woke us up and figured, hey, it made guys have to buy in and figure out, you know, how we can be successful all together. And, you know, you saw it as the year went on, you know, we started to gain some traction and, you know, losing. And the biggest thing, too, is we did that almost the whole year without, you know, Odell out there. And we're going to get him back.

Our entire team is pretty young, and we're going to get the majority of those guys back. That's awesome news for all the people of Cleveland in the dog pond who have seen some dark days in the dog house. The Andrew Barry moves of bringing you in, paying you, paying Hunt in the back, then bringing in, obviously, you have Chubb already there, and then the way the offense was kind of forming. I assume Andrew Barry had a vision for this team,

and I assume he talked to you about it, about what the team was going to be going forward from an offensive standpoint, and is that why you ended up signing with the Browns because of that whole uh aside from the money by the way congrats is that is that congrats on that but the was that also a part of it like kind of the vision of what the offense was going to become hey we're going to be able to run the hell out of the rock and then play action is going to open everything up we think it'll benefit everybody in our offense including Baker Mayfield is that kind of how it all went? And is that, do you guys know that your identity going into games? Yeah, definitely.

I mean, coming in, you know, leaving Tennessee and having Stefanski coming from Minnesota, you know, we had the same sort of zone style offense, like you said, that run heavy. And, you know, I love, for me personally, I love to run block. You know, I don't want to be sitting back and throwing the ball 50 times a game. And, you know, for them to pitch that, you know, we're going to be the wide zone. We're going to come out and run. And, you know, when we do pass, a lot of it's going to be play action.

We're going to get, you know, Baker out of the backfield. We're going to be moving along. And we're going to have that marriage of the run and the pass and really just try to sell that. You know, as an offensive lineman, you hear that, that's gold. I mean, it's like you're telling me I don't have to sit back and block these nuts rushers over and over again. Sign me up.

To have the team buy into that. Those are hard. Sometimes, you talk about naked. I don't know if you've heard this even, but a lot of times our offensive line coaches refer to elephants on parade when offensive linemen are just running from the sideline. It doesn't really look like they're doing anything and and uh you know that that's sort of where we as an offensive line had

to buy in to make our run game and our pass and our play actions look exactly the same and you know that's a pretty tough thing to do to be able to sell those defense and to buy those backers but uh you know it's been fun and when you get it going i mean it just makes life easy yeah we talk about the how much easier it is for the offensive line whenever you choose to run the ball right so like uh because that does that put the obviously the defensive line now has to guess whether or not the the knuckles are white or the knuckles are are red or whatever from uh invincible i believe invincible against papali is that is that why it makes it easy? And if you were to go to a team that doesn't run the ball as much,

your life is drastically different, I'd assume, even though you're playing the same position? Yeah, definitely. I mean, you look at it. You look at the times of the passer, how quickly they get the ball out. You know, I think the average is, what, three seconds for a quarterback to get the ball out. And if you just have that defender waiting a second to read because he's not

sure if it's a pass or a run, that's a third of the time that's helping you be able to get into a better position. Hey, if I'm jumping the guy and he has to stop for a second, I can get my hands on him and grab him. Whereas if he knows we're passing, like you said, he's putting all that weight on his hand. He's just taking off as soon as he can and that's just not only is that easier for him because he's going forward and we got to get back um but he you know it also is the timing you know he gets all three seconds to rush where it might be of the three seconds if he thinks it's a run it takes half the time off are Are you holding every play yet?

I mean, I try to. I think every offensive lineman does. I tend to break a couple fingers every year. Oh, do you have the – do you have like the – Yeah, I mean this one. Oh! Holy shit! AJ Hawk has one that's very similar. It is awesome what your guys' hands have become.

If you don't have it, then did you play off its line? Yeah, exactly. The Cleveland Browns, Baker Mayfield, Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham. A lot of personality, if you view from the outside looking in. How has it been in there because when we talked to Jarvis man I learned he's incredible Austin Hooper incredibly cool people it seems like on that team is that what it's like in the locker room now granted with COVID you guys weren't even allowed to eat at the same tables I don't think or anything like that

but did it feel like it's a really cool team that's going to be able to stick it out and kind of grow together it felt like yeah definitely no it's a bunch of cool guys like you like it's a really cool team that's going to be able to stick it out and kind of grow together, it felt like? Yeah, definitely. No, it's a bunch of cool guys. Like you said, it's a lot of personalities, but I think we're all pretty young guys. We're all guys that are trying to build something here, and we're all sort of bought into the same mindset. And, you know, there's times when, you know, you're going to be mad about stuff,

but the interesting thing with our locker room is the guys, my locker room is right next to Odell's. I talk to him after practice about stuff, and whether we're upset about different things, we're able to hash that stuff out. I think that's what makes a good team, and what makes teams get better and better is when you have that open communication between guys.

You might be frustrated with something, but if you can get it off your chest and sort of hear what the other guy's side of the stuff is and why they think things will work, it sort of helps hash things out. Could you imagine him with that pinky doing that one-handed grab? Oh, man. Could you imagine that thing? It's impossible.

I mean, I could barely catch with two hands. You're not going to have tackle eligible, huh? No tackle eligible. Don't need it. Diggs, what do you got? Jack, you talked about coming over from the Titans. Vrabel and Stefanski, basically the same guy, same coach? About the same size.

I mean, I think as you can tell, they're about complete opposites. Vrabel will pretty much tell you exactly what's on his mind, where Stefanski, you know, he's the typical nose of the grindstone. He's going to say exactly what needs to be said. And, you know, that's sort of how I see myself, too. So I like him a lot. You know, I got a chance to see a little mic'd up of Stefanski. I like watching mic'd ups of people.

Now, I know they're edited in a fashion to kind of potentially maybe sell one narrative about somebody or whatever. I understand that. But I feel like that's the only way you can get to learn about anybody if you don't know them personally. I would like to hear how they interact with, I don't know, the athletic trainer or the equipment manager or the teammates. Because I would like to hear that. It felt like Stefanski had a little bit of a personality. He was talking a little shit. I think I,

it felt like he has like a, it was nice to kind of watch and learn about him. It's because he's like the Ivy league guy or whatever. So it's like, I felt like it was kind of nice to see that I've enjoyed kind of learning about him a bit. Yeah, no,

I mean, and that's the hard part with a lot of this stuff too with the COVID. You know, we haven't had one team meeting that hasn't been on Zoom all year, which is tough in certain situations to just try to get to know people or hear some of the comedic stuff that guys bring to the table or just the personalities. But, you know, Coach Stefanski, you know, he's a young guy too.

I think he's 38. And like you said, he is an Ivy League guy, but he does – he's very personable. You know, he's a guy you can go up and talk to, and he's just a nice guy, and he's going to tell you exactly what he thinks about stuff. He's not going to run you around and give you what you want to hear. And, you know, that's great with coaches too. But he does have some comedy. He tries to about stuff. He's not, he's not going to run you around, run around and give you what you want to hear. And you know, that's great with coaches too, but he does have some comedy.

He tries to do stuff. But again, the funniest stuff with the COVID is even when he makes jokes, he's got a mask on. It's like, it's tough delivery there. Can't see you. That's tough.

Hey, go green. Go white. Yeah. There we go, Jack. That's why I said that. You can't come at me like that expecting me not to say something. You love Michigan State.

When are we going to be back? When is Michigan State ever going to – we got a kid here. He's Evan Fox. I know Foxy. Yeah, Foxy. Massive Michigan State fan. And Michigan State actually got bad when Jack left. So, Jack, do you just take all the credit for that success?

Because I definitely would if I were you. Smart. Smart. Oh, gee. I mean, it hurts right now. It hurts right now. We've got the new coaching staff. I'm hoping stuff gets fixed.

You know, Coach D, I love Coach D'Antonio. And I think it's just he takes stuff so hard, and I think he just got older, and he just didn't want to – it was hard for him to stay in it. He's a guy who takes everything to heart, as you would say. He never really got to see – he's another guy, I would say. He never really got to see his personality, because whenever he talks to media, it was all gruff,

and he's not saying anything. But it's it's all because he protected us you know he was the he was awesome i can't say enough good stuff about coach d but uh they got to figure some stuff out up there yeah yeah i don't want to go green and go whites in public anymore you know it's a lot quieter it's a lot quieter chant than it used to be um mac brown told me, I got a chance to call one of his first games when he was at UNC, and I hadn't known him, but the TV crew I was with worked with him last year, so they were like friends with him or whatever. And I asked him, like, hey, why'd you stop at Texas or whatever, and then why'd you get back into it?

He said it got to a point where if they won, it was a relief because the amount of pressure it was on. And if they lost, it was a relief because the amount of pressure was on and if they lost it was devastating he said so there was no there was no i think if you coach long enough that ends up happening like i just i think that big ends up happening if you're one of those style of coaches or whatever so yeah i i could never coach anyway that's just too that's too much i can't imagine the recruiting too and all that stuff in college. I don't care enough. I don't care. I am so sorry. I'm so sorry.

Any hobbies? What do you do off the field, Jack? What are you going to do this offseason? I do a lot of cooking, a lot of grilling. I've got a Traeger. Oh, my. Oh, man. No free ads, but it feels like they sent us a Traeger.

It is quite an operation I've seen on the internet. Yeah, but the great thing is it's so easy. I don't have the patience to throw a brisket on a checket for eight hours, but if I can plug a food thermometer in it and it sends me text messages, it makes it pretty easy. That's what the Traeger does? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

You can hook it up to your phone and app. It'll literally tell you when you need to do stuff to it or not. Hey, get your fat ass up. Your meat is perfect right now. Okay, go get it. That's unbelievable. I did not know that was happening. Can't wait to buy it.

That's a perfect alignment. Are you a keto guy? Are you keto? No, no. I mean, I'm pretty low carb, but, you know, I'm still eating a few carbs here and there. But, no, I don't really do well. I drink a lot of greens. You know, I try to eat as well as possible.

But, you know, I try to think I'm your basic alignment in that sense. How tall? How big are you? About 6'6", 308. Damn. Holy. That's awesome. Will you balloon or shrink whenever you retire?

I think shrink. Yeah, definitely shrink. Hey, some of shrink whenever you retire? I think shrink. Yeah, definitely shrink. Hey, some of those guys. Don't go too far. Yonda. Did you see Yonda? Have you seen Yonda? Yeah, he's tiny now.

Oh, my God. He came on the show for the first time ever being on the show. I'd met him in real life a couple of times, but his first time on the show, and his face pops up on the screen up here like you did. Face time. And as soon as I, ladies and gentlemen,

Marshall Yonda did the whole thing and his face popped up and I was like, oh, we got catfish. Like, this is not. That's the wrong guy. This is not,

this is not Yonda. And then he like said something. I was like, holy shit, look at you. And then also, who's the stealer that dropped down? Fanica. Fanica.

He does like Iron Man's. But hey, no need. Joe Thomas did too. Joe Thomas, he's keto, I thinkica. Fanica. He does like Ironmans. But hey, no need. Joe Thomas did too. Joe Thomas. He's keto, I think. He's ripped. Yes. Have you got a chance to chat with him at all?

I was just texting and stuff because, again, it was just all with COVID coming in. That was a weird part. My first day going into the facility, I had no idea where anything was. First day of camp. All right. Is this my lock?

I'm over here. Yeah, pretty big signing here in the offseason. I haven't seen the place. I hope everybody's really nice over here. What do you got, Nick? Jack, you came from the AFC South. You come from the AFC North. As a Steeler fan, we like to think the AFC North is rough, tumble. Is it really that much different or is it just football?

We play tough football in the South. Go ahead and tell them. Go ahead and tell them, Jack. I mean, it is, but then you look at the playoffs, there's three AFC North teams in the playoffs. Oh, Jack. True. Yeah, that is very true. I mean, it's

the Midwest football. It's tough people. It's tough cities. And I think the teams really buy into that. I mean, it's the Steelers, the Browns. I mean, it's the Ravens. browns i mean it's the ravens it's the bangles it's just a bunch of teams with a bunch of fans that that rely on football for the happiness in their life too and it's about it's very getting out of the factory and hey what's my team gonna do this week and if we win it means it means a lot more than

um it means a lot more to these people and the whole town and everything's happiness. And it's awesome. Did you guys ever talk about that? Like has Stefanski talked about, you know, because Dog Pond has been through some shit up there in the AFC North for a long time and they've always shown up, always. It felt like we played their late season, end of the season, I think, later in the season. They were already out of it.

It was cold. I mean, it was cold. Windy is all. And they were there losing their minds. I think that is a fan base that I think, you know, whenever you guys finally get to play in front of them, I think that's going to be an awesome thing up there. Yeah, no, it was definitely a topic.

Just, hey, this town, this city deserves it. They've been through some stuff, and we have the chance, we have the team that has the ability to put the Browns back on the map. Like you said, that was the biggest bummer coming here this year was, I think I was talking to actually Stefanski about it,

I think it was right after we beat Tennessee, we had the next week, I think we were either 8-4 or 9-3 and we were going to play Baltimore at home on Monday. And I was like, imagine how this place would be rocking at the Browns. Browns started in December. I think we're 9-3.

Can you imagine how loud that place would have been? That would have been awesome. And I think it's only going to be louder next year whenever they're allowed back in to celebrate this past season and most of the season, hopefully all the seasons going forward. Jack, can't thank you enough for joining us man well thanks for having me on it's fun where are you staying are you in uh are you staying in cleveland do you have uh are you in michigan what do you do i'm in cleveland

yeah uh i have a i have a about a four-year-old daughter and we have a newborn so can't really do much traveling right now with the COVID and everything with the new guy. I feel like as an outsider who doesn't have any children yet, this is potentially hardest time to be parents, I think, in the history of existence. You know, like from what I've been told, I'm not 100% sure, but I hope it's going all right over there. Yeah, it's going all right. He's been great.

He's just started sleeping through the night at 10 weeks old so he's he's killing it we've been lucky he just started sleeping through the night 10 weeks hey man you're the best i assume all pro dad as well all pro tackle ladies and gentlemen of the cleveland browns jack conklin hey go green. Go white. Good God. Come on, Fox. Good God. Walk on there, man. You got to love that guy. Had to fucking earn it, dude. Yes. Hell yeah.

Just like the people that are holding the line. That's right. Hold the line. Big thanks to Jack Conklin there. How big would have he been coming out of high school that had to have been a walk-on? I mean, how much would have he grown? If he's 6'6", 306, or 316, whatever it was.

308. But it's a massive human being. Huge. Costanzo, I think he had, Anthony Costanzo had no offers coming out of high school, I think. I think he had, and Costanzo, by the way, one of the largest humans I've ever seen in real life, and incredibly athletic,

like very, a specimen Anthony Costanzo is, but coming out of high school, I think he maybe just hit his, his grows. We, I went to a military Academy or whatever for a junior college. He maybe just hit his growth spurt,

maybe his, his senior year or something. And he, his bot, he was very thin, I guess. And then as he went to like, uh,

the military, he kept continuing to grow. And in Boston college, he could take her on. Then whenever he got to the NFL, man, he was a fucking beast of a man. Yeah.

I don't know how you do it. He's probably, I mean, he can't catch. He said, I can't catch a damn thing, but I can move a human. If I have to,

who do we talk to last week? Ricard. Yes. Think about that guy. He's running into people. The NFL is insane. Insane. It's insane.

And the Super Bowl will be next weekend. Yeah. We'll be having a countdown to kickoff celebration. The two hours-ish leading into the Super Bowl kickoff. We'll be live at youtube.com forward slash the pat mcafee show and also on sirius xm for those two hours 4 30 to 6 30 ish is when we'll be on uh currently scheduling guests whoa we got some we got some special guests okay i'm i'm on the horn you know don't want to don't want to take any time away from anybody's super bowl sunday which is an incredible day a celebration of the nfl completing an nfl season a mishapsolute chaos happening in the world somehow. Games were shuffled and moved, but nothing was skipped.

And here we are on time in front of 22,000 people declaring who the world champion is. It's a celebration, bitches. Hell yeah. And that's the countdown to kickoff celebration brought to you by FanDuel happening this next Sunday,

Super Bowl Sunday, on YouTube and SiriusXM. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Let's go. Hey, pretty big guests. Who do you got? Oh, on YouTube and SiriusXM. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Let's go. Hey, pretty big guess. Who do you got? Oh, yeah.

Nobody's been locked in. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Nobody's been locked in. There's some whispers out there. There's some whispers out there. And now the question is, like, I think surprise is much better. I agree. I like this.

I agree. Like, out of nowhere. But then also, on the flip side, in the world of marketing, it's like also, maybe we should tell people what's fucking going on so they know

because, you know, you kind of have to find us. We're not just sitting in the background. Yeah. But maybe also just know that there are whispers

in the wind about who's going to be on this show. And by the way, that's just dropping. By the way, that's what we should do. I mean, that's what we have to do.

People need to know. Tease it. I think it's just a surprise. And then we'll do a hashtag throughout the show for all the giveaways because we're giving away a bunch of shit to them. And you'll have to use the hashtags obviously to enter to win the giveaways.

And AJ Hawk's going to be in in studio isn't he i do believe we bullied him into that i think that's what i heard we peer pressured him potentially into that he's bringing just yesterday bring his family how are we dressing for this super bowl sunday it's a kickoff show i'm dressing exactly how i normally dress. Yeah, probably. I think so. But also, celebration, maybe dress up for the celebration like we did draft night. But remember, draft night became a seven-hour show in a very tight suit. Draft night is a dress-up occasion. Like all the players dress up. Super Bowl Sunday is not.

No, the players are wearing their normal uniforms. Bingo. And the people in the crowd, normally wearing suits. Uh-huh. Not this year, though though it's frontline workers thank you thank you workers hey they were holding the line

now you must hold the line now the world's holding the line it is so difficult I assume for some people to hold the line I am hearing and reading on the internet some money that some people could potentially be earning right now because of this magical kind of underground run that is happening on the stock markets here. And those people, in lieu of a great payday, are saying, we must hold the line.

Hold the line. Hold the line. There's some news out there that is making it very tough. To hold the line or not hold the line? To hold the line. Apparently, Robinhood is placing freezes

and seizing capital on accounts they suspect of market manipulation. Hey, just a heads up. Oh, no. Is that real? Because remember, we are a show that people listen to,

and people will see and hear this, and this is not my particular expertise. So if we talk about this, there has to be pretty solid source tone scoops. Is this the darn Schefter? The guy's got 175,000 followers. His information says CEO of Atlas Trading. His name is PJ Matlock.

I don't know if it's real or not, but PJ Matlock. When PJ Matlock starts talking about accounts being locked, hey, that's a Matlock. This guy, accounts are getting frozen. I assume

there's going to be a lot of that happening. There's going to be a lot of pressure on a lot of... I said this yesterday as it was happening. I was pumped about it. Okay, go get your money. Hey, you figured out, go get your money. But as a human in the society that we live in, I very much understood looking at that.

Okay, that is going to be a big one. There is going to be... And by the way, because now you're taking people's money. Okay? So now you're taking people's money. Now, you can potentially you know say bad things about people sure and do stuff like that but when you start stealing people's money i think that's going to frustrate people oh yeah but but the people that are going to get frustrated here

are going against this this immovable object that has been around for what? Hundreds of years. And I assume there's been a lot of people that have just been raking in that work. I've never, hey, I've never even, you put your right foot in, never. Never, never did any of it. And I never shook it, ever. Never did it, no shaking it all about it. In the stock market at all.

Not even put your right foot in. I've never done it. But I've always just assumed like, oh, there's people that are just really killing it over here. The Warren Buffetts of the world. Of course. The hedge funds you hear about. Like, hey, they are probably killing it over there. But I don't know if this is a game for me.

Those people have been winning for a long time. Now they're going to lose. That's going to be a hole. That's going to be something coming too. This is only going to continue, by the way. And by the way, it's all started on the internet which is where we live so we're going to be

put your whole body in shake it all about it's going to be all around us which takes us back to one point from earlier hold the line it takes all of us. It does take all of us, but is there anything else going on in the world? I don't know.

I don't know either. I don't pay attention enough, but I'll tell you what. My timeline has never been. No, it has been flooded with a couple different things here. In this one, it seems to be maybe the most explosive possible. Oh, yeah. Now, granted, there was some crazy shit that has happened yeah crazy a lot of idiots doing a lot of dumb things okay this one is i think it's going to involve i think it's going to be because the internet is a place where things just get going you know like yeah hey what are we doing well you tell me yeah we're

all in snowball there's some counters missing on some news channels, too, I've noticed lately. What does that mean? Oh, really? They took it down because this morning it was like watching a horse race. Yeah. It was awesome. Oh, it's climbing. It's climbing.

Oh, it is falling down in the second place there. It's dropped down from 373, 74, 377. Now we're climbing back. We are fighting. Oh, and we just took quite a fall. Hold the line, they're saying on the internet fighting oh and we just took quite a fall hold the line they're saying on the internet but it is not doing such a thing oh my god amc is dead again out of the race it was a don't stop though gme is climbing back it's fighting the good oh it is slowing down now

we are dropping to lows that we could not have forecasted just seven seconds ago. A different counter is missing. What does that mean? On a news network. We got to go to a break. Sounds like a cryptic message right there. Very. And I'll tell you what.

There's a little chewy thing I took over there Now is not the time For that particular thought Of what he's trying to say I think it was a denominator Oh here we go Oh my god Should I stop by

BB&N today And pay my respects He's back in Boston Should he stop by or what If he wants to go take a look at what a real ISL school looks like Be BNN today and pay my respects. He's back in Boston. I guess so. Should we stop by or what? If he wants to go take a look at what a real ISL school looks like. Just got sauce. You want to go revisit the scene of the pancake?

It was at LA. Oh, okay. You'll never forget that, by the way. No, I'm still there right now. You're going to be there again. I think it's going to be a different memory. Rolls reversed. Good for AJ Dillon, man. I'm happy to hear that's still going to happen.

I mean, we were going to try to force it into happening. For sure. It was always going to happen. Okay. Who's bringing the pads? Do you have to go like dicks? I still got my hip pads. I mean, I got those. Okay Who's bringing the pads? Do you have to buy Do you have to go like dicks? Oh yeah I still got my

I still got my hip pads I mean I got those Tail pads Tail pads I got my tail pads He wears around the house With that terrible belt Oh yeah

Oh That like strength Oh yeah Uh huh You need to have By the way we need to get you AJ Hawks high school Yeah

You just gotta bring him next Sunday We'll get you a girl too Nah I'm alright Yeah I need a girl Keep the kids Yeah keep the kids. We'll get you a girl, too. No, I'm all right. Yeah, I need a girl. Keep the kids. Yeah, keep the kids. And we'll get you a helmet that's really good. Yeah.

That'll be easy to find. Wes Welker helmet. Got to call old Mr. McMahon up there. No, those didn't work very well. Hey, can we get a space helmet? Oh, okay. Oh, you got Tony's plum helmet upstairs. And an astronaut's helmet.

I got a couple helmets. Might need the Steve Tasker for this one. I do have a few helmets. There are a few helmets around. Use one of those. I think I have a couple of my playing ones. They've gone helmet to helmet before at pretty high speed. Okay. Maybe I got another.

I already got my strategy. How many do you think there's only going to be one? One Oklahoma Joe? Yeah. I think I'm going to either break my back, break my ribs. No, no, no, no. It's going to be more than one. Shouldn't be a sideline.

We'll see. I'm just telling you what I think what a lot of people thought. I think that's what a lot of people thought was, like, this is going to be a few. I'll draw up the waiver after this, but, I mean, it can't be more than 10 yards or I won't be able to lift. You and your lawyer getting it together? Yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh.

Drawing it up. Send it to my accountant, too. Make sure all finances are in order. That's going to be interesting because what he did to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the other night. Yeah, oh, I saw. He just put the whole team on his back, though. Dudes. Most guys have tried

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Wow. Yeah. I thought we were going to get our other guest on while I was doing the intro there. So I was trying, you know, the more and more stats I was trying to realize about you that I could add in there while we were trying to grab the other Ohioan that we're going to have on the show. I apologize. AJ, it's great to see you, dude. It's good to see you.

You didn't make Stipe sit through that, did we? Is he waiting? No, yeah, that's what I was doing. I was trying to extend until steepay got on and then i was going to roll right into that you're both we're going to pop on hey how you doing keep it moving let's do it hey we just started the conversation thing but then instead we didn't get him yet hopefully we will get he might be putting out a fire he could be that guy is potentially with a fire hose right now on the hose saving a cat yeah he's potentially doing that um aj before we get to steep a and when we uh when

steep a miocic the greatest heavyweight in the history of fighting uh whenever he joins us we will get right to that but until then deshaun watson has officially asked for a trade from the houston texans now jack easterby and cal mc McNair have a decision to make after hiring David Cawley, the passing game coordinator of the Ravens, comes out of nowhere and becomes the head coach for the Texans as a 65-year-old man with a lot of experience in football. Yeah, haven't you heard the thing that David Cawley is just a bridge to Josh McCown coming in as a quarterback coach and that he would be the next head coach in waiting like a couple years down the road.

Is that real? Whoa. That's a story that's out there. Who knows if it's real or not. Well, that would be insane if Josh McCown was just like, can you guys teach me? With his great hair. Yeah.

He's a friend of the show, obviously. Good guy. Can I just try coaching for at least, what, one year before I get a head coaching job? I've been a quarterback. And they're like, all right, we'll hire this guy. He's 65 years old. You be the quarterback coach.

You'll kind of see how it goes. And then, bang, you're the new Sean McVay. We're taking quarterbacks out of the league and coming in and coaching and turning this whole thing around. That's bullshit for this guy. So he's just the fall guy? I wonder if he knows that. Does he know this?

And AJ, I don't know where AJ heard this either, but that is potentially, if that's going to happen, congrats to Josh McCown. Yeah. I love Josh. I love Josh. I've heard it's a firestorm down there, but speaking of firestorm, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man that would put on a helmet and go put out a firestorm and also walk into a cage, any cage.

It could be an octagon. It could probably have four different sides, and he would beat the fuck out of whoever else is in there. The greatest heavyweight in the history of fighting ladies and gentlemen how you doing man uh by the way you got me i thought your fight was going to be later in the year you said in the first quarter, then you extended it. It has been announced now for March. You're fighting against a guy you've already beat, but now you're an underdog.

What the fuck is going on, Stipe? What am I missing in this whole thing? I know, man. Vegas hates me. They always lose money on me. So, yeah, man, nothing new. I'm used to it by this point. I'm always the underdog, which I

love. I love being the underdog. It is what it is. Listen, I'm going to come out on the 27th and walk out with the belt wrapped around my waist with my hand raised saying, and still, nothing's going to change. And still! Let's go! Hey, Stipe, how

good does it feel? I guess, obviously, your first fight you worked him pretty well. How good does it feel, I guess, obviously, your first fight, you worked him pretty well. How good does it feel, I guess, to beat a guy like that who, like the normal casual fan looks at him and is like, wow, that's one of the scariest looking humans I've ever seen. And Stipe just ragdolls him. How good does it feel? It's a good feeling. I mean, always winning is a good feeling.

I mean, just we had a great game plan. You listen, he's a tough guy. He's a big dude. He drops drops bombs he's been knocking everyone out and uh you know uh so watch out for those needles he's got you know they're strong as strong as shit and but you know i have faith in my coaches man that's where i'm at it's not because of me it's because of my coaches we have great game plans every time we walk in, and I'll be fine with it. When did you know you could just eat punches to the face? Was that – like when did – because he does throw bombs, but you have this – after watching some of your highlights,

you have some Homer Simpson – like you will just eat one, and then you will send one right back. It is – it's an unbelievable skill, and A.J., obviously, he has zero documented concussions. You know, zero. And he probably got in high school and didn't even remember in Centerville or whatever. But when did you know that you could just eat bombs to the face? Well, that must be a Ohio thing. I don't know.

Just saying. But, yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. You know, I do get hit, though. I'm like, boom! You know, like homo. So, no, yeah, you know, I never want to get hit.

I don't care whoever says anything to say that they don't mind getting hit because that's the dumbest lie I think I've ever heard in my life. I do not like getting punched in the face. It does not feel good. I mean, I'll take it, but if I can avoid it, I will avoid it. That's smart. As much as I could. Yes, very smart.

I like to be able to talk. I have a hard time talking as it is, so I don't need any worse. Hey, we're not there yet. I assume here in like 10 years or so we'll have you on, and it will be a much different sounding man. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's it.

Hey, hey, hey. No, I'm not. I don't want to laugh about it. I don't want to be a part of that video if it does happen, but... No, no, I won't be there. No, no. Okay, good news. Hey, good for you. Hey!

Hey, does it ever wake you up, though? Have you ever been in a fight and you get hit, you take a nice shot and it wakes you up and gets you into like, into a little rhythm? Yeah, a hundred percent. It always, um, I think, you know, when I walk, like I thought of this, I walk out, I'm like walking into the cage. I'm thinking like, why the hell am I doing this? Like I could be a fireman right now.

Like this is like, why does this dude hate me? Why does this dude tell me I suck? I'm like knocked out. Like, why do I need this in my life? Why do I need this, like, nervousness? And then you shake my coach's hands, hug him, do all that. They put the grease on, check me out, make sure my nails are cut, cup check, da-da-da. I walk in, they close the door.

I'm like, oh, I can't leave. And then, yeah, and then, you know what? I start going, and I feel good. You know, I try to feel him out. I get hit. I'm like, all right, now it's, you know know, it's like, it's like fight or flight. Stipe, you, you said it must be an Ohio thing. AJ over there. Okay. Said the same thing about Oklahoma drills and his mindset was, well, if murdering people was the only way to survive this,

I guess I'll have to murder people or something like that. That's, is this the water in Ohio? You think that it's just like, let's go ahead and go to war if we have to? Yeah, man, that's how we do it. That's why we're like the toughest people in the world. Yeah, Pittsburgh people. I'm just saying. Wait, what did you say? Did you say Pittsburgh?

Did you say Pittsburgh? What's that? Did you say Pittsburgh? No, no, you were talking. I thought you were saying something. Oh, no, no. Oh, you're lucky. That's why I didn't want to repeat it.

I don't know, man. I think it's the mindset. It's the people from that state. They just have a different mindset, I think. When you get in there, you have a strategy, obviously. We've been learning this, and you said your coaches will have you ready to go. It's a whole team thing. Whenever I get into my Oculus boxing and I knock one knock one guy out okay and then we move up a a

class and I'm fighting the same guy I always have a strategy for him you know I mean this is how I'm coming at him you've had success already is it like in football where a team uh will have to make vast adjustments to the next time they play or when a team decides like okay this is the key to do it like in your mindset what do you now you can't give away strategy obviously but is this becoming something where every fight is it's each own individual fighter will you be viewing it like the last one uh no it definitely is different every fight no matter what if it's the same guy or a rematch or it's a new guy it's always a it's a it's a different you know strategy when you go in so of course our training's hard.

You've got to get in shape and all that. But just your approach of, you know, making sure you're doing the right things, making sure you keep your hands up. And sometimes he does tendencies. You watch old film on him. You watch the new film on him. You try to pick up stuff. And, you know, unfortunately for me, the guy I'm fighting hasn't really fought much

the last four fights. He's been knocking everyone out in like 30 seconds. So, it should be fun. But we'll figure it out. I usually do. We'll be all right. But yeah, he's a tough guy, like I said.

But yeah, every fight's always different. You know, you watch some of these games in football. At the beginning of the year, a guy that gets smoked and then at the end of the year,

the other team that got smoked wins. So it's like, you just, you know, there's always, it's like that, I don't know, just that, you were talking about

the strategy. It's just, it's always, you gotta, whoever has the best strategy and makes it work is going to win. Hey, how frustrating is this? It does. It does. Yeah, you got to evolve. You got to evolve.

There it is. Evolve. There is a word I was looking for. Yeah, 10 years from now I'll get you too. Yeah. Oh, no. No, I'm just kidding. Hey, how frustrating is it for you, or is it not,

when you watch professional athletes in other sports? Like, say, a football player gets in a fight during a game, you see these wild, awful punches. Or basketball can tend to be worse sometimes as well. You see guys can't throw a proper punch. Do fighters talk about that? No, I mean, I don't care. I mean, I'd rather be doing that where you guys are actually making way more money but uh no i mean i i just laugh you know because i mean it is what it is you know

i mean because you look at football man it's tough guys i mean why are you punching out of the helmet on that's like the dumbest thing that's like i don't know it's like me trying to like knock over a car or something you know don't know. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I like basketball too. A lot of you guys are flopping, which I get it. It's all about making them think it was a foul or whatever. But I don't know. Yeah, I don't care. I mean, I'd definitely be switching spots.

I wouldn't care. Have you started your fight camp yet for this fight? Are you already in it? Yeah, actually, I took your advice. I've been using the Oculus a lot. I've been doing that a couple times a day. How are we doing? Burning.

I'm like 0 and 10 right now. It's the worst. That's what I thought. That's what I'm talking about. Thank you so much for joining us, Deepak. All right. Have a good one. Yeah, I'm joking.

It's the worst. It's the worst. I'm still amateur, too, which is the worst part. Yeah, yeah. Have you been training, though? Do you just always stay in shape? Yeah, I'm joking. It's the worst. It's the worst. It's like I'm still amateur, too, which is the worst part. Yeah, yeah. Have you been training, though? Do you just always stay in shape? Yeah, yeah. I just thought I'd go crazy until, you know, the fight gets announced

and really turn it up. But, you know, I think we're like nine weeks out, whatever it is. You know, I've been doing it twice a day, doing my thing. And as you get older, you know, you guys know this, you've got to listen to your body. And I think the more you listen to your body, the better it gets and the better shape you get. But even though I'm getting older,

I feel like I'm in the best shape of my life. I know it's a cliche to say, but I really do feel that way. Hey, what's Dana White like? I know you had your coach put your belt on when you beat Francis back in, what, 2018, I believe. But have you got to hang out with Dana? What's your relationship like? Yeah, man, I mean, he's a good guy. You know, he's my boss.

You know, I don't know. You can't be friends with everyone, but I'm friends with them too. I mean, you're having your moments. It's just like, you know, like you're, you're a friend, you know, you're getting fights with your friend. You just, you know, I mean, I don't even know, fights, it's just disagreements, I guess. And it's all good, man. I wish him nothing, but he's a great guy. You know, I wouldn't be where I'm at if it wasn't for him and the UFC. So I'm, you know.

Have you gone over, have you gone over to that fight Island yet? Have you been over there? No, I'm not going it wasn't for him and the UFC. Have you gone over to that fight island yet? Have you been over there? No, I'm not going to. I'm going to fight in Vegas. It looks cool. It looks great. It looks great. Did you hear about the guy scaling balconies over there?

Did you hear about that story? Yeah, when he was trying to get something snug into his room or something weird. Do you guys have a group chat in the UFC where you're like, what's going on? Does everybody know? No, it's kind of just a word of mouth, I guess. I don't know.

I really don't know. What was in the bag, Stipe? What's that? What was in the bag over there? I don't know. If I find out, I will let you know because I want to know. Boots on the ground. Listen, I'm a snitch.

I don't care. You're doing two-a-days right now. What's that look like? Cardio? Then you fight people every day? What does every day look like for you? It just depends. You know, Mondays morning I do a good treadmill. I don't get

the Ultra G treadmill. Is that the bent one? No, it's the one that lifts you up instead of weighing like 230 pounds. I weigh like 100 pounds. Yeah, I have seen that. WWE had that down there. Yeah, it's awesome. So like, you know, you'll be a big guy and stuff like that. It just takes a lot of stress

off my legs. I've had like six or seven knee surgeries. I don't even know how many I've had so far but so that helps me a lot and i spar monday at night and then tuesday i do like a lift like more of like a cog um conditioning strength i guess you would say it's heavy but you know it's not like typical bench and you know squats more like endurance like a belt squat and stuff like that and like like um functional training i guess and then uh tuesday i grapple at night wednesday the pool day which is nice you know i do a work on wednesday and thursday i do pad work in the morning and then sparring night uh do you make any of those cool videos with your pad work you know those those really cool pad videos no no

come on come on we need to see what's cool. One, two, one, two, one, two, three, one, two, one. No, no, I can't do it. They're like. Yeah, you got to do it. It's a good video. Yeah, I'm not athletic enough to do that, so. Greatest fighter.

Just stick to the basics. So do you fight people weekly, though? Is there any actual sparring or anything like that? Because Connor came out and said the inactivity is, he thought that was potentially to blame. Not that he, anything else, he said it was potentially to blame. What did he mean by that, you think, if you had to guess as a person? Is that because he hasn't been punched in the face lately,

or what does he mean by that? No, maybe just ring rust, you know, not, you know, nowhere he was at. You know, it happened to be my second DC fight. You know, it took me about four rounds to realize what the hell I was doing and where I was at. And so, you know, I just started off slow. I wasn't doing my thing. And then, you know, I kind of shook it off.

And so I think it had been like a little bit of that, a little bit of ring rust. I'm not fighting for so long. Connor. Steven, now that you're in camp, will you still fight fires or do you tell the boys like, hey, I got to sit this one out. You know, I got a big fight coming up. i'm working i'm working this weekend actually oh whoa hey yeah fucking hero dude i won't let you know that real life tell my wife that please dude i mean fire could you imagine sometimes whenever i'm lighting something potentially

and it gets a little bit too high and my eyes burn i'm like oh my god i think life is over yeah i do the same thing don't worry about it i got you somewhere hey have you ever been like you you see those crazy pictures and my uncle just retired by the way as a fireman in pittsburgh uh very i got to see obviously i told you this last time plenty of christmas where the old beeper will go off and you'd have to leave in the middle of family and everything like that. So I appreciate the hell out of your service to the community and everything like that. But there's, you know, and I assume this happens to everybody and this is just me being ignorant, but has there been any, how many sketchy, because you're a big ass dude, right? Don't floors fall sometimes and things like that?

Like, is there ever been, have you ever been a part of any of those moments inside houses where it's like real sketch? No, I mean, I mean, sketchy houses where there's no fire or just a medical call, but like fire, I mean, no,

I think terrible. I mean, just kind of just, you know, we get there and, you know, but most of the time it's either put out or we get there and we put it out

within time, you know, or other times we have to stand outside and do defensive measures. oh no it's happening yeah man sorry steve you're seeing guys like max holloway now that are talking about phasing sparring all together out of their pre-fight programs you know max looked like a god next to calvin cutter uh is that something that you might talk about maybe implementing in your style as you kind of go along?

No. Maybe I get older and older, maybe, because, you know, eventually everything hurts after a while, and I don't heal as fast as I used to. But, no, I love sparring. I think just having that different conditioning, I guess. It's like when you guys are scrimmaging for football, it's just like it's real life, you know,

and just so you know what to expect and all that. So I think I love sparring. I just feel like it's a different conditioning. You want me to send you an Oculus so we can go potentially, you know? I got one. I told you I got one. It's a training, man. Hey, when I hit you with this boom pow.

I don't know if your AI guy is going to be able to handle it. I don't want to smoke. I'm good. I'm going to step up. Oh, man. Stipe, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. The Browns lost. It's a shame.

It's a shame. We talked to Jack Conklin, man. The Browns lost. It's a shame. It's a shame. We talked to Jack Conklin, though. We talked to Jack Conklin last hour. It sounds like he believes that everything's going to keep going good for you guys, though. I believe so. I think so. I think, you know, we showed a lot. You know, we were down a little bit.

We came back. And then, just so heartbreaking. Listen, man, no one gave us a shot. I never thought we'd make the playoffs. We made the playoffs. We won our first game. I mean, we were only home with the defending champs. I mean, just right there, man.

Don't forget OBJ was hurt most of the year, too. That guy got to help a lot because he brought a different dynamic to the game. Man, it's just so close. But, yes, like we always say in Cleveland, there's always next year. Hey, there is always next year for the Browns. And right now, though, it's just so close. Like we always say in Cleveland, there's always next year. Hey, there is always next year for the Browns. And right now, though, it's your time. The greatest heavyweight of all time from Cleveland, ladies and gentlemen,

Stipe Miocic. Yeah! Good luck, man. Good luck, dude. Thanks, guys. Thanks. You asked him if that would be pretty cool to do something whenever he did make like um you know people that are that look incredibly intimidating look very you know woobly and everything like that just think about to further expound upon your point there think about how

cool it has to be to know that no one on earth. Not a single person on earth. Wherever I'm at, whatever's going on, if anything was to... Let's just say, hey, something just pops off. There's not a single place on earth.

That's pretty cool. I feel much better about myself because I haven't done the oculus boxing yet but steve said he's oh and 10 and you're basically undefeated so yeah i feel like he was fucking me a little bit i feel like steve was potentially fucking me a little bit and uh that's okay yeah he by the way goes back to my point i was just making yep you can do whatever he wants you're every fucking once steve I wonder what his training is like. You never take sparring out, he said.

No, we need to punch each other. He's with his original team, too. A lot of those guys become stars, and they jump to these famous teams that are all over the country. He stayed with the same guys. I don't think he's leaving. I saw that. Khabib talks about that immediately following the fight,

and Mike Chandler was not happy about that. He's like, hey, the guy just got out of a fight. Now's not the time. Give him a break. But that has always been a storyline in multiple different things. Remember Conor during Tough, the ultimate fighter against, I'm going, going. Uriah Faber. Uriah Faber.

He talked about him leaving teams and going to different blah, blah, blah. And then now you're leaving teams. That's a big deal in that world. And I would assume still being a firefighter is a part of him staying with his same team. I would assume that is a pretty tight circle over there with Stipe. That's been around for a long time. And it seemed to have worked completely well. God bless that sparring partner that he's had the

same time that guy's just eaten like 50 000 punches over the last 10 years god damn hey the greatest heavyweight of all time yeah that's true that's what that created and i'm i hope he's not wearing a diaper yet but it might be right around the corner it's not funny. We will not joke around about things like that, but that does seem to potentially be one outcome of people that choose

to do something that involves them getting their brain rattled every once in a while. God bless them. Thankful for them. The people that do that for our entertainment. There's one right here

who allegedly never had his brain rattled one time yeah that's right sounds about right to me it's unbelievable we got some breaking news from uh mark boy m-a-r-k-k-a-b-o-l-y you tell me okay you look good by the way thank you mark caboli hey it was a great time out there he's a senior steelers writer for the athletic okay in pittsburgh he's the president of the pro football writers association pittsburgh chapter he's been covering the steelers since 2002 and inventor of hashtag stick the football caboli caboli has given some opinions on things that aren't football related and people have not been happy about it with mark caboli that's what i just learned here from

reading his twitter bio it says inventor of hashtag stick to football, Kaboli. He's gotten people so riled up because he chose not to talk about football. I wonder what he did. I wonder what he did. I think it's mostly his hockey and baseball opinions. But you're not putting enough yins on his name. Mark Kaboli. Kaboli.

name? Mark Cabali. Anyways, Mark says that Art Rooney II said that Ben Roethlisberger wants to come back and has told the team that. Rooney said that they can't do it at his current salary, and Ben knows that. If they can agree to a

contract alteration, it sounds like Roethlisberger is back in Pittsburgh. So say goodbye to Matthew Stafford. We don't need him. Say goodbye to Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston, Carson Wentz, any other quarterback that could potentially go in there. Big Ben Roethlisberger is back, and he's going to alter his contract,

which, by the way, he led a team to 11-0. If I'm Ben, I'm with brand-new elbow and not a lot of hobbies anymore. I'm potentially raking in money as a hobby, but the fact that he's redoing it so he can come back and play, tone digs, diehard Steelers fan, that's got to be pretty exciting. Fucking pumped. As of all the quarterbacks that you named on the list, Ben Rothsberger is still better than all of those guys.

I believe they could rework his contract to get down to like $26 million, which I believe would be like 12th or 13th on the quarterback list. And as we found out last year with Tom Brady, you don't just kick Hall of Fame quarterbacks out of your organization because we see what happens. You bring in Cam Newton, he throws for four touchdowns all season long. Eight. Thank you.

We will run it back one more year with seven and then see what happens after that. Is $26 million enough to cover his only fan subscriptions, though. That's my question. No, he's past that. That's Ben's problem. That's not Stu's problem. He's past all of that.

I don't know. That's not his problem anymore. Okay? He was actually – He's elbowed deep back into it. No, no, no. Anyways. Hey, but hold on.

Are they going to have to draft a quarterback in the first round? Like they have to start thinking about life after – Well, and also, let's not even talk about it. Pouncey's out. Juju's gone. I mean, there's going to be to draft a quarterback in the first round? They have to start thinking about life after. Well, and also, let's not even talk about it. Pouncey's out. Juju's gone. I mean, there's going to be a whole new team there. What are they going to do? They just drafted Dewey Haskins last week, AJ.

But he's also got Dewey nipping at his heels. They're picking 24th, AJ. You don't draft a starting quarterback at 24 in the first round. Those guys stink. I think I'm at 199. Wait, what pick was A-Rod? Yeah, Rodgers was. Oh, okay. Hey, that was a deep play. Good for you, Nick. That was awesome.

You and Ty got into it a little bit ago about that whole thing or no? No. Oh, that's good stuff. I thought it was a Jordan Love reference. 26. Trade it up for that. For Aaron, they did not. Aaron fell to them. This particular time, they traded up which immediately made everybody go with the what the what the that seems like you are you know a little

bit more want to move on from this whole thing huh hey pat i gotta i gotta interrupt you one question though is it weird that nobody i don't want to say nobody i don't like to like make it all just it just nothing's black and white there's always some in between but is anyone talking about the fact that jordan love didn't dress as the backup this year like does that cause any worry we talked about that uh at the beginning of the show if you know how like ryan pace or whatever his name ryan pace up there chicago ryan pace general manager you know everybody said that for a long, long time, his Mitchell Trubisky stubbornness was just, you know,

kind of locked in or whatever. I think that does happen every once in a while, you know, where you make a decision and you have to stand by it. And that is potentially why Schefter has come out and said that there's a chance that not everybody in the building wants Aaron Rodgers to come back. I don't know what that means. Schefter's saying that he heard it from somebody, right? So what does that mean? And is that the situation I'm just describing there where the person that made that decision is like, okay, if he's not even dressing, I thought this guy was

good enough to trade up for. I would like to see this potentially get expedited, which, by the way, would sound crazy with Aaron Rodgers, but that was what Aaron Rodgers was alluding to, that sometimes shit like that, not to this magnitude, but will happen in the NFL. If it was to happen here, it would be insane, obviously, after an MVP season, but don't rule it out. That is something that has happened in the NFL before. Yeah, I saw something earlier today.

Is there a possibility that mitch goes back to chicago i don't think so do you see that on the bleacher report swipe thing i don't i saw it somewhere you know it said like potential landing spots for quarterbacks and mitch they had their prediction was mitch going back to chicago i was like i didn't even think that was on the table and they had deshaun going back to the texans i do believe and they had matthew stafford going to the colts i think it was bleacher they had Matthew Stafford go into the Colts. I think it was Bleacher Reports thing. I don't know how the Mitchell Trubisky thing will go. I don't know how they handled that.

I didn't know how they handled it last year, by the way. Now, I guess they'll say they had some success because they were 5-2? Yeah. Started 5-1. 5-1. 5-1. And then when they were 5-2, the conversation was, this is the worst 5-2 team of all time,

and the Chicago Bears fans were not happy about it. And then as the season kind of progressed, it kind of appeared that a lot of the people outside of Chicago were right in what they were saying. But then it kind of got hot with another quarterback switch. It's just, is there any sign of a successful trend coming up there? You know, Nagy's back, Pace is back. Are they going to bring in a quarterback?

They said they'll be very aggressive, I guess, in the quarterback market. So there's no chance. Mitchell Trubisky, then, if that's getting leaked right now, then that means they don't want Mitchell Trubisky back, which means Mitchell Trubisky knows that. They've already brought in Nick Foles. I mean, just a wild situation. I mean, 18 new quarterbacks next year, they're saying, potentially.

18 of the 32 teams. It's insanity. And how many first-round quarterbacks will get drafted, do they think? Well, hey, listen. You got Trevor Lawrence. You got Matt Jones. You got Justin Field. You got Zach Wilson.

You got big Trey Lance. Trey Lance out there in South Dakota. Good guy. That's everybody, right? I've been doing my draft studying. I've been keeping up with the senior bowl. Najee Harris said, hey, I'm down here. I might as well practice.

How do you feel about that? Did you play in the senior bowl? I did not play, no. Well, you're number five overall pick. I don't think, no. Well, you're a No. 5 overall pick. I don't think you should if you're going to be a No. 5 overall pick. Granted, unless you're just an uber-competitive human, you want to go showcase yourself like Devontae Smith, Heisman winner, going down to Senior Bowl.

But then now I'm hearing some people are opting out of practice. So that means you're only going down to Senior Bowl for the chance to interact with some NFL teams. And potentially because the combine isn't happening the way it normally is, that kind of made a lot more people want to go down to the senior bowl nausea harris said i'll put the pads on a couple times he's got some big big quads coming in by the way aj dylan's got some competition all of a sudden but and saquon uh but the senior ball seems to be much more important this year than it has been absolutely it's way more important i know davante i don't even think he did height and weight there.

He probably went there strictly to talk to coaches face-to-face. Hey, I'm not playing. I'm not weighing. I'm not standing. I'm talking. All right, what team am I on? South? Hope we win.

Hey, what a fun. Don't care, though. Hey, you think there was any, like, scouts or, like, some coach, like, hey, man, get a height on him. Some guy, like, walking by with his iPhone trying to do the little measure app and all that. He's like right here. So we're here. Take a picture.

Take a picture. I'm six one. Let's see what he is. Take a picture. You know, a wall. I was right here. I know it because I had my elbow. Try to slip a scale under his feet.

Somebody they'll get on like on the escalator, you know, like that goes up to the thing. They'll just have somebody will go that goes up to the thing. They'll just have somebody will go in there and rig the thing. They're like, here he comes. All right, how much is the other guy? We got to wait for him to weigh in because there's two on one. Let's figure it out. Don't put it past the NFL.

Do not, especially with no combine. They are freaking out, I bet, because they want to get, it's a big deal, man. So, yeah, they want to talk to these guys face to face. They want to know everything about them. You'll get that carnival guy that guesses your weight. Yeah. They seem to be pretty accurate with everybody except for me. You know, they don't account for just the depth of the midsection.

You know, you stand there. I went every single time. They're normally 30 pounds off, 20 pounds off. Yeah. Now granted, sometimes I'm 270. Huh? Do they say, do they say you're 30 pounds heavier than you are or lighter? Lighter normally. No, it's not. It's like when I was 270, I look like I was three 10, you know, but then when I'm normally, when I'm, when I'm normally at like 230, 225. I look like I'm like 20, 205.

You know what I mean? So there's quite a jump in the looks. You know what I mean? It's a fluctuation game. It is a fluctuation game. It's not a consistency. And that's, you know, for a long time it was very consistent for these hedge funds on these Wall Street bets, and now it's all volatile.

Have you been following this? this is getting wild out here yeah man there's so many geniuses out there the more that i i follow all that's going on it's pretty crazy but oxy and i just learned of a couple also i had no idea oh here he goes who is it who in the office the entire i mean digs is loving the stocks he don't love it I mean, Diggs is loving the stocks. He don't love the stocks. Hey, Diggs is making good money. Found a blue chip yesterday, and Foxy's a little bit jealous. Look, I don't know anything about stocks,

and I didn't know this office did either. Yeah, well, that's something we don't talk about here because we're a sports show, I guess. That's right. That's what Diggs said. Diggs kept his stocks expertise hidden away for the perfect time, and here we are. We got a weapon.

A couple things you don't talk about at work for this reason. Religion, financial. A couple guys in here made some money though. I'm proud of you guys. Bill made like 25k. Now Bill's holding the line. He's holding the line. Oh now Bill's holding the line.

You can do both. Oh you hedged. you're hedging. You're hedging against the hedge funds. Tony, you're short in GameStop, Tony. You can do both, dude. Hey, way to go. Hey, you're hedging against the hedge funds. Hedge funds are large, okay?

This is the classic, would you rather fight one horse or 500 miniature horses? That's what's going on right now in this world. What's that? Which one do you want? In real life or in this particular situation? In real life. I think you give me 500 of them little things. And I'm just running around and I'm doing...

Hey! I think what would you do to the one horse if you got forced to fight the one horse sternum sternum and at some point sternum and then that big overhook is coming

by the way there has to be a good spot to hit there. You know what I mean? I would have to get on the horse dummy beforehand to know exactly where it is. But, yeah, I'm going sternum. Bang! And then back. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Let me body. Bang! A lot of real estate on that, Joe. But I would not want to do that. I love horses. Of course. Beautiful creatures. Give him a carrot. I love horses. Of course. Beautiful creatures. Give him a carrot.

Let's get some phone calls. My ear things died. For good. Damn. My ear things died. I've never seen that happen before on the show. Well, no, like, I turn it back on dead. I think I mixed up which batteries are dead and alive.

It's a bummer you got to do this again. Yeah. So I'm just listening through this thing over here. Someone's playing taps right now, basically. Yeah. Somebody's playing taps right now? No, it's not dead. I think it's good.

I just don't know what the batteries were. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying it died. That's why I was bummed for you. Cancel taps, please. No, no, no. Please save the taps. Jesus. We don't Taffy. Jesus.

We don't want to do that again. Hey, so sorry to interrupt this conversation. That's cooking right now. Yes, it is cooking. Everyone always talks about how important it is to get a good night's rest, don't they? Mm-hmm. Hey, you need a good night's sleep. I didn't get a great night's sleep last night.

And, by the way, this morning we could tell, but then the energy of the day kind of got after it. But people for your entire life have been hey make sure you sleep all night get a good night's sleep need to get a good night's sleep make sure you get a good night's sleep tonight but it's not always as easy as people just saying get a good night's sleep especially if you're like me where your mind is always thinking mind is always going maybe you're thinking about tomorrow maybe for whatever reason you just can't fall asleep that happens to a lot of us and cbdmd has come through with something called cbdpm that puts you out like a light like a light slip through the flight that's why the folks at cbdpm created cb or cbdmd created cbdpm

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Who is this? Oh, yeah. Woo. Is this copyright free? Nick, no way this is allowed to be played right now. Oye, papi, this is the Hispa McAfee Show. Hold on, hold on. This is Marty Vicks. Yeah, good to go. Marty, come on.

Jesus. Marty! What's he saying, Z? I don't know, but it is lovely Lovely is a great way to describe it What is he saying, Mansour? Buy low, sell high You stop, Z Buy low, sell high. Please stop. Dance with no brakes, baby.

Dance with no brakes? No brakes. Oh, hey. That's good. I mean, you're going to get tired, though. He's talking to younger group of people. Yeah, no, that's not our speed. Used to be able to go, though, you know?

Used to be able to hit a dance floor, and i will see you in a couple hours and when i come back i'm gonna be drenched in your shirt i mean it's gonna be a problem but hey we're gonna have a good time out there you know not anymore i'll tell you i'll give you a little shoulder bump you know what i mean i'll give you a little shoulder bop you know a little ditty in the background or whatever but then about halfway through it, because all my Oculus box and starts to tighten up. Sorry, let's change the song. All right, let's not start feeling it too much. Let's get out of here.

I'll get past it, though. It's a young man's game, though. Dancing with no brakes. Sometimes you have to know what you don't know. Tell you what I do know. Stalks. People are very pissed off about what's going on here. Oh, yeah, that's brutal. Hell yeah. Stalks, stalks, stalks, stalks. People are very pissed off about what's going on here. Oh, yeah.

That's brutal. As it should be. Well, I mean, this has become a massive distraction, hasn't it? Kind of. Huge. Kind of. Do you ever, I mean, anybody thinking about that?

I mean, this is taking over everything, by the way. Distraction from? Who knows? You tell me, Foxy. You tell me, Foxy. Because, at Evan over everything, by the way. Distraction from? Who knows? You tell me, Foxy. You tell me, Foxy. Because, at Evan Foxy, by the way, his opinions do not reflect that of his employer or his peers. But this is taking over every conversation.

We are the dumbest sports show of all time with the dumbest human hosting it. Also, some interesting intelligence levels alongside. And we led off this show with stocks. Had to. Had to do it. It is taking over everything. Is there anything else going on in the world at the time?

No. That we should even think about? No, nothing else. I don't know. Naked's back up, though, guys. What is? Naked. NKD, by the way.

Ride the wave, baby. What's going on, Gumpy? What about the denominator oh see we solved that triple mess see i walked in this morning and covid sniffing dogs excuse me it was extinct hey great transition by the way hey we said this last week we said this last week we need one to ten million covid sniffing dogs stat yeah okay i understand that dogs are um an incredible part of our society okay and i have a couple dogs now that live with uh my wife and i uh they dominate the home or whatever and i'll tell you what i i've

i've become a full-on dog and cat person because of the dogs that i have connected with here and dogs have done incredible things uh shout out to my wife by the way she loves all animals uh including the goddamn raccoon family that we have in the back porch and the possums and squirrels and the fox eye but the fox don't come around when that coyote shows up. Coyote shows up, the animals get a little quiet. But anyways, dog, shout out to my wife, Fur the brand, F-U-R the brand, shout out to her.

But dogs have been doing really cool shit for humans for a long time. I mean, you go way back, even before that goddamn stock market started, which was in 1792, by the way. But dogs have been doing awesome things for humans for a long, long time. You know? I mean, obviously, smelling bombs that saved it, you know, that came in there.

And the dog, when we should go the other way. And we talked about it last week. The first one, the first dog to do that, there was some meathead. You know, it was like, that fucking. And I am not done, no. That's a no damn thing. And then he walked and he blew up. And everybody was like, I see.

Don't be like Dan. All right, let's go ahead and do this. So then we started trusting dogs with that. And then there was like, you know, packages. The dogs would smell to find things, whether it was drugs, which we need to stop. Let's do this. All right. This is what we do.

Take all the marijuana dogs that are currently training. Send them into the COVID sniffing dogs. Because COVID sniffing dogs had made an appearance in the 305, the MIAO, the Miami Heat last night. Had COVID sniffing dogs. The dogs would walk by you, smell you. If they keep it moving, just like in the airport, you ain't got it. If they stop and snoop around around everybody hit the deck yeah there is a covid human here what do you have beef jerky in your pocket imagine if you're in line oh man

imagine if you're in line okay yeah the dogs are much smarter than that see that beef jerky unless the beef jerky has covid on it oh holy shit if it is a covid cow yes that beef jerky came from. Oh, bad cow disease? But imagine, you know, you go to a game, and, you know, you're trying to practice social distance, obviously. But you just, you know, accidentally have a conversation with an old pal, okay, that you saw, like, oh, you got a ticket?

Man, not a lot of tickets. Congrats to you. Oh, thanks, man. Quick dap up, maybe a fist bump. Maybe a fist bump or whatever. And it's like, all right, let's head in there. He's, what, six feet in front of you? The dog walks, smells you, walks past you.

You're like, whew. And then the guy you were just talking to, that dog goes ahead and takes a seat and just starts barking at you. Could you imagine the feeling? Oh, no, no. You should probably come back and smell me. I think it was dormant for maybe 30 seconds or there. I think you should get another sniff because I need to know because I was just, you know.

Did they find anybody? Did we get any updates on the COVID sniffing dogs? Did they catch any COVID? I looked into it. They did not find anything. That's what I'm talking about. There we go. That's following proper protocols by the fans right there who get tested stay in your hotel

get tested go into the game i'd assume that's what you have to do if you're going into an arena in 2021 which is very similar to 2020 but man we need one to as many as possible these covid sniffing dogs what's taking so long i just found out too dogs can sniff cancer, narcolepsy, migraines, low blood sugar, death, and seizures. They're unbelievable. That's insane. They're absolutely unbelievable. That's why they're sniffing you all the time, Zeke. No, they don't smell diabetes.

All right, Zeke. Zeke. Oh, you did. Zeke. Zeke. Let's get to the phones. Anyways, we need these dogs. I would like one.

I would like one. That'd be great. Or two. Can I teach? My dog, Chuck, he's a corgi. He is a passionate sniffer. He will go. And then he'll boop with his nose too.

And he's very intelligent. He's an asshole. But he seems like a... Is there a step-by-step? Can I get a COVID-sniffing dog for dummies book? And can I get a guide to get Chuck to do this? Because then I just walk around with Chuck, and he's what? I'm clear then, right? Yeah, I mean, if I know anything about corgis, they have –

I mean, their noses can sniff a variety of different scents. So if you could somehow find like a covet sample that you know you could maybe just out in the yard pop it to him and then give him a treat yeah give him a ring a bell and then give a non-covet sample no treat yeah chuck nope and boom chuck knows now chuck knows now i got a covet sniffing dog named chuck huh yeah what a time that would be it'd be great imagine me just fucking walking around Now Chuck knows. Now I got a COVID-sniffing dog named Chuck. Huh? Yeah. What a time that would be.

That'd be great. Imagine me just fucking walking around with Chuck. No mask. Excuse me. Don't say anything. Check him out, Chuck. All right, what's up, dude? Just walking.

That's what we should be having at this point. If that's going to open things back up, let's get to the dog. Let's do it. Let's get to the dog let's get to the phones by the way that's something that was covered on this show with i think high journalistic integrity absolutely i mean we're just covering the news that's coming hey just doing our jobs here how are the stocks doing they holding line or oh yeah they're still up but they weren't up though so like So, like, still up. From the last up that I gave you. Okay, so they are still going.

Yeah. We've held the line. Okay, for now. Hey, big congrats to those who are holding the line right now. Because there's probably a lot of temptation to potentially not hold the line any longer. I also didn't know we had stock market experts in this office until this morning. Hey, it's been kind of fun, right? It's awesome to learn about. It has been kind of fun. Everyone in here.

I know we had a sarcastic expert back there. Foxy walked in this morning and some people were breaking it all down to him. He's like, oh, I didn't fucking know you. Is that what happened this morning? I've known these guys for three years and not one mention to stocks has ever happened until today. You never asked us. From college to here, ever happened until today. Wow. You are. You never asked us.

Straight from college to here, he knows nothing about. Who, Foxy? Yeah. Yeah, Foxy has had a very interesting life. That's why I wasn't talking about it. It was also interesting to watch Foxy go, oh, this is nothing. This will all be over soon. And then the stocks skyrocketed through the roof the minute it came out of his mouth.

He mushed. That did happen. He's using his curse for good. He's using his curse for good. He's using his curse for good. Yeah. It's about time. Fox, he's a hero. Let's go to Jeff in St. Louis.

Jeff, what's going on, dude? What's up, Pat? How you doing, man? Hey, not too shabby. We just learned Fox, he's a hero. And that's a big change for what has been normally happening around here. So, I mean, pretty breaking news, I guess, on this particular Thursday. But we're just hanging out, pal. What do do you got going on what do you want to talk about

not much man just sitting at home i uh had to come home for the damn covid you know wait for the test results come back and uh you know just hanging out with you guys every day hope you're okay hope you're okay by the way uh sorry you got a you had to go through the covid cave in the battle there but hope you're are you holding the line over sorry you had to go through the COVID cave and the battle there. But I hope you're all right. Are you holding a line over there, or are you just watching from afar? Oh, I am sitting at home watching you on my TV and just hanging out in my room. Hold the line. Hold the line. Hold the line, soldier.

Hold the line. Hold the line. Attaboy, Jeff. What do you want to talk about, dude? I want to talk about Matt Stafford, man. I just really don't think he's worth the number one pick now i'm not saying he's not worth value but i'm just saying with all his injuries and just like i mean he ain't that old but he is kind of old i mean he had a broken back a year ago sorry uh jeff jeff okay very valid point there and maybe

people will be a bit scared because if guys, you know, have any red flags injury-wise, that can predict you wanting to draft somebody in certain positions. So I could see how you could potentially spin that into he's not worth it. Didn't he finish the season, though? Yes. Okay, so what are we even talking about? He was on a terrible team and he finished the season.

The guy has – obviously you don't play that long in the NFL at that position and not have injuries at some point i mean uh if you basically look around i think except for tom i guess right aaron aaron had broken leg yeah tom blew his knee out and he had that thumb injury for the uh afc yeah so if you're playing football that long especially for that team yeah yeah you know in passing the ball that often i assume you're gonna have injuries but injuries, but he finished a season, so it's just like any other. You're getting a veteran quarterback. You're not getting like a quarterback that we don't know if their body's going to be able to hang

or not in the NFL. He played with a broken neck, though, right? Or a broken back. Fucked up thumb, bunch of ligaments messed up in it. Ankle was bad, too. Yeah, like that's a, you know. That's a guy. That's a guy you'd like.

The Lions would have went on 16 without him this year. I guarantee it. That question is also fun to do with a lot of other quarterbacks. What do you think the Packers are without Aaron Rodgers? Probably just flip it, 3-13. By the way, they have a lot of good players on that team. Okay? Let's not get crazy.

And it's been fun being a fan of that team this year. And I assume there is potentially some offense taken by some of the players on the team whenever people say stuff like that but whenever you think about like what the teams at the very very top which you guys are competing with right now are doing it could just be one piece that's like a massive addition somewhere like a an x factor somewhere you know like all it takes is that one thing and that's that's like a massive addition somewhere, like an X factor somewhere. You know, like all it takes is that one thing. And that's what we're referring to. It felt like if this season while watching why he's winning the MVP, it's like, yo, if they didn't have the quarterback that was just like,

okay, I'll go out and score whenever I want, however I want, with the incredibly talented weapons, okay? But maybe you put in another quarterback in there and similar results happen. It's not going to be the same, but similar results happen. I get that. But if you put him a basic quarterback in that team or somebody that isn't like a dude,

like a guy that will be talked about forever as one of the GOATs, I mean, that's a very different outcome, I think, for that Green Bay Packers squad. Yeah, it puts a lot more strain on their defense. And then? Well, on their special teams. I mean, they shit-canned the coordinator yesterday. Yeah, okay, so I was intrigued about that because Mo,

the assistant special teams coordinator, Maurice, I've just called him Coach Mo. Like Drayton? Drayton, yeah, yeah, Drayton, Coach Mo. I liked him a lot. He was a good guy. And whenever I went up and when I called the Packers-Lions game, I got a chance to see him, you know, and talk to him a little bit.

He was very relatable. He was assistant for us just like he was assistant at Green Bay. I saw some people were pushing him to become the special teams coordinator. I like Mo a lot as a person. I think he was liked by a lot of people in there. I know a lot of people respected him in tom mcmahon um i mean he's had like a bunch of coaches now at this point go on to be special teams coordinators in place and have success because of the playbook and the things you put put together i would assume mo has access to that from tom they're very tight

um but if you don't if you don't focus on having a special team's weapon or two, I mean, it's not really going to change anything. You know what I mean? Like, you have to have some players in there too. You know, like Mo can do so much, right? Like, I think a coach can do so much. But if you don't have dudes in there, Mason's a dude, right? Okay, there's a guy.

I think you have to find one at punter. Like, I think, and this is just me coming from a punting uh position that i was in where i played pretty fucking good and vinatieri was pretty fucking good too so and you have to have like two to three like special teams dudes and then you guys the kicker punter and the couple special teams dudes that you keep around can kind of control most things right like there was a couple guys through micro career but uh Sergio Brown was the first guy I punted to Sergio Brown basically every single time uh then there was obviously Matthias Farley, Colt Anderson and then Chris Milton but there was there's just like one or two guys that you have that you just kind of punt towards you know what I mean Dewey McDonald

was a guy that we uh Darius Hayward Bay became one of those guys. So if you have two of those guys on your team, all right, one for PP and one that you can use as a gunner. And then on kickoff, you can put them in different places. And then on returns, you can have them running all of the blocks

or the roundup block, or the roundup blocks down the field or the potential pump blocks in their smart, heady play. Like, I think that is a big benefit to your team. The Patriots for a long, long time, or the roundup blocks down the field or the potential pump blocks in their smart, heady play. Like you, I think that is a big benefit to your team. The Patriots for a long, long time.

They always have a guy. They always have a special teams guy. Kicker punter, always good. Like that is just, that is a way to handle one third of the game without having to invest a massive amount of money. And I think that's what Bill Pullian's method was. Bill Pullian was a lot less on on I'll give you two good players.

He was more like just one because we've paid, you know, Peyton, Freeney, Mathis, wide receivers. So special teams, we just need a good punter, good kicker, and hang on basically. But I think that's the only way you really change that. You've got to have a little bit of a focus when it comes to personnel in there. Well, to your point, before the guy that just got fired, Sean Meninga, was there.

Ron Zook, they had the worst-ranked special teams in the league the year he got fired. Zook was an interesting special teams player. Yeah, he stunk. He was fucking terrible. I think they tried to run a... They tried to run a... Ah, fuck, I forget what it's called. Basically, like a pool shoot. Yeah, a pool shoot block on us, which was illegal.

And Tom McMahon was not happy because it felt like Zilk was trying to potentially take someone out. No, not like try to take me out, but they were getting people very close like every single time, and they were doing it from something that wasn't legal at that time. So Tom McMahon was not happy. And I assume Tom and him had a relationship too, so it was like a friendship.

I don't know if it was a friendship or whatever. But I remember that conversation happening either during the game or after the game. Because I don't notice that shit. Like, hey, I'm just catching the ball and I'm going to kick the ball. And I'll tell you what, guys are really close right now. I don't know what the hell is going on. And then he gets to the sideline. They're running a post shot.

They're running a post shot. Oh, they're just setting me up. Oh, damn. All right, I'm going to get this one off a little bit quicker. To your point, they're just setting me up. Oh, damn. All right, I'm going to get this one off a little bit quicker. To your point, having dudes on special teams too, like you were able to pull, like Darius Hayward-Bey you mentioned, you went and actually said, like, hey, let's put this guy on here. Like the Packers, I assume they don't have someone who's like,

you know what, that guy's probably going to do well with us if we can use him on special teams. He was awesome. Guy runs very fast, was very tall, and was like a super nice guy, and we weren't really using him on offense. Hey, can I just get him just to run? Is there any way we can just have him? And I'll just punt right to him the entire time.

You've got to ask Darius or whatever. And then Tom McMahon went to bat for it, and then he got out there, and then he got like a three-, four-year deal with the Steelers as a special teamer, basically. It was really good. You've got to have one of those guys though and whenever you watch the packers do any special teams this year it was very obvious like oh they don't have a guy because there's a one time where what that return happened where jk scott got shook yeah against the jaguars and they had four dudes lined up straight behind each other like hey, that can't happen. Hey. Hey. Hey, that can't happen.

Can't win with it. Can't do it. Can't do it. Now, can your punter just eliminate the returner every single ball? Yeah, he can. JK might get there. Who knows? No, he's not.

Get rid of him. Don't be so negative. I mean, he stinks. Why are you so negative? Come on. Because he stinks. He shrinks in the big moments. All right, let's go to Craig in Illinois.

That's rude of you, by the way. Well, you know. Put Tavon at Gunner. Just calling it like I see it. He just plies. I don't know if he's. Because, like, the person has to agree to do that as well, you know. Oh, okay.

I think Tavon. I'm not 100% sure. But, like, running down the field and tackling somebody also is something that you have to kind of. Mentally. Want to do. And I'm not saying Tavon doesn't want to do that. I'm just saying I'm not sure if he's ever done that or not. He took one back 98 against me.

Tavon just like high step by me too. It was tough. It was very tough. What do you want to talk about, Craig? What up, Craig? Hey, guys. Hey, guys. Can you hear me?

Yeah. Yeah. How are you? Oh, Craig stinks. Oh, man. He had something good, too. I doubt it. No, I think he probably did.

I think Craig probably did. You know, because it sounded like there was a little bit of excitement there or whatever, you know? I got a good one. I think he did. But for some reason, sometimes that tech will just get you at the wrong time. What are you going to do? 5G. And also, I mean, you're on your phone right now on an internet that is currently entrenched in battle. Exactly.

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