The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 346 - Tony Dungy, Aqib Talib, Jeff Passan, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys continue to trudge through the different storylines from this week as we approach the Super Bowl and see what else is going on in the world. Joining the program is 2x Super Bowl Champion, Hall of Famer, in both the Colts and Bucs Ring of Honor, and NBC Sports Analyst, Tony Dungy. Pat and Tony chat about his experiences in the Super Bowl, what was different between player and coach, his thoughts on the game this weekend, and the current QB market (27:18-44:34). Next, Super Bowl Champion, 5x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro and new podcast host, Aqib Talib joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about his new podcast Catchin' Fades, his thoughts on the the NFL season, if Tom Brady is the Patriot Way, and his experience calling games this year (46:04-1:01:32). Later, ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan joins the show to chat about his recent story about Drew Robinson, an MLB player who has an incredible story that is very important and needs to be told now more than ever (1:01:34-1:19:27). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Wednesday, February 3rd. Hey, good conversation today. Like a real life. Good conversation today, I think. Oh, yeah. I mean, it really spans the spectrum, too. We got it all in there. I mean, if somebody was just to listen to this show, today's show and be like, all right, now I'm never going to listen to another episode. I wonder what their thoughts are going to be. Yeah, that would be interesting. It'd be very interesting. Would love to hear your thoughts. If you like the show, be a friend, friend tell a friend if you don't just act like it never happened obviously two ships passing in a night without sonar or radar knowing you know just kind of keep it moving don't tell anybody you hate this place all right we're trying to grow our business as well um let's get to it i

mean let's just get to it shall we yeah let's dive in let's do it today we have some massive guests we have tony dungy by the way i believe he was uh the first african-american coach to win a super bowl that is correct uh we'll talk to tony dungy here on the super bowl week super bowl champion cannot wait to chat with him about everything happening in the NFL. His thoughts on the big game on Sunday, which, by the way, we have a countdown to kickoff celebration show happening at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show. Also, two hours of it will be aired on Mad Dog Sports Radio on Sirius XM for it. I think we're going to have to expand how long we're live for

because the guests that are confirming, you could go ahead and take that off. The guests that are, you could go ahead and take that off. This is not about Dutch. The guests that we are confirming for Sunday's show via text messages to me. Hey, we got a big fucking show coming on Sunday. Listen, I send some favors out, okay? There's people

that I've run into in my past life. Sure. When I wasn't just a broadcaster that was just voted the number three national radio show on the internet by people we don't know who they are and what the votes account for.

Incredible honor. Yeah. Incredible. But it doesn't fucking matter. No. Because, by the way, if you put, you know, power and allow those types of things to control your happiness, more often than not, humans that you've never known to exist or potentially never really accomplished anything will bring you down then and then you're letting people that you don't know who they are control whether or not you're happy or not and that should not happen we're about number three

cool is that where i think we are probably who knows i read through the list some of them are fucking bumps not ahead of us i'm just talking about in the list completely but there's a lot of great shows out there so the fact that we're even being talked about awesome but before I had this life and some people don't know this I was a punter in the NFL for eight years whoa and then in college I was a kicker and a punter in college a couple Americans a couple Pro Bowls kind of retired kept it moving all the time but through my experiences in the world that I've gotten dropped, yeah, all-time leading scorer at one of the places. Forgot about that.

Completely forgot about that. It's a long list. I mean, there's a lot of people that have scored there. Yeah. Right there at the top. But anyways, through those experiences, through those scoring in situations, I have found myself in hilarious gatherings of humans. And I'm not a big networker.

Okay, that will inevitably hurt our company at some point because there's all these handshaking bullshit events that happen around the world that I am not great at. I do not enjoy them. If I don't like you, like, it's not like, hey, let's have a good time. It's like, all right, I'm leaving. Like, I'm not going to be, I'm not a big networker. But I've gotten a chance to find myself in situations that are hilarious okay and there's many times and nick and i've been friends for a long time digs as well whenever i would send text messages to friends of mine from back home and be like you will never fucking guess

where i'm at right now where are you i'm like boom insert name of ridiculous situation that i have rode the coattails of somebody else into. And I'm just having a good time drinking in those situations. You get to shake the hands of a lot of people. Okay. And I am never one that like follows up, like text message the next day after that's not happening for me. It's like, Hey, if we ever run into each other again, you're very high up in the world. Okay. I appreciate you. If we ever run into each other again, I hope it's cool. I hope we're cool. But I'm not looking to become like best friends with you or whatever. I sent out some favors for the first time through people that I have met through my travels.

Super Bowl show is going to be a big fucking show. Oh, yeah. Very pumped that the people I have met through my travels, though, do remember the times we had together and said, yeah, good times. Let's go ahead and do that again. Super Bowl Sunday is going to be fucking big. It's going to be huge. This might be our biggest one. So draft night, I think we had 70?

80? Definitely 75. 75 for sure. Something 70. Yeah, 70-some thousand concurrent viewers on YouTube, which is insane. Every day we get about anywhere from 20 000 to i mean up over 50 at some points this year and it's just insane to think about the amount of humans that are spending the day watching us i think on sunday we're gonna i think we break that record on sunday

hell yeah i do i think we do i'm not 100 sure okay nothing is certain in this world no nothing especially this world oh yeah i mean we've been putting out polls trying to grow it as much as possible you know i feel like that is potentially a little uh you know like an a to b thing like hey how do you get big possible oh this little poll thing seems to be a way to kind of crack the code on this let's go ahead and keep this thing moving we had 290 000 votes on the poll the other day hysterical but i think this one will be i think it'll get big surprise guest by the way not saying any names i like it and in the world that we're in by the way if i really like you

know i don't want to say cared because i do care but if my only mission was how do we get as many viewers and concurrent things as possible i would most certainly just release these names. Absolutely. Absolutely. Just very quickly go, Bubba will be joining us Sunday 520 Eastern. Come on. If I did that right now, then we'd market it in promo and people would be like, okay, I've got to be there. Instead, not going to do that. I like the feeling of surprise. Yeah.

I like people having that moment where it was like, had no idea this was going to happen. Here we are. We got a chance to do that for some live shows that we did, both in Indiana, Pittsburgh, Ohio. We had some scheduled for Michigan, Minnesota. Did not happen. The tickets sold.

We backed out. We refunded money. We apologized. What I realized quickly is I'm not good on the road, back to back to back to back to back. But those surprise appearances from guests, the reaction is awesome. And it's not similar because it's the internet,

but I do believe there will be a couple people at home going, holy fuck. Yeah. And I'm pumped up about it. Well, and we say like every day, you know, like huge guests tomorrow. Like sometimes we don't know who's going to actually be on the show. Like you're not overselling this.

Well, this one we had to lock in the guests. Right. We had to lock in the guests because Super Bowl is a busy day for a lot of people so had to send out some you know forecasting text messages and uh so i think it's going to be big i think it's going to be good i'm i'm pretty positive and by the way this is not like me at all it's sitting right there i would like to let everybody know it is sitting right there in the chamber okay and at any given moment our entire business strategy might plan or change because i might just say we're gonna be talking to her yeah i mean it is but i think i'll be able to hold off for the good of the people okay for the good of the people i'll also be joined by jet passing in

the second hour although this is super bowl week uh incredible baseball story came out just yesterday and jet teased this last week on the show he said you're gonna want me to come on next week i have something or whatever he released that story yesterday a major league baseball player uh pretty popular i don't know pretty good major league baseball player i assume yeah i think he he's like been the in the bigs for like seven eight, I mean, he's good enough to have stuck around. I didn't know his name. Obviously, I'm not a big baseball. He attempted to kill himself months ago.

Drew Robinson. Drew Robinson. Ends up losing his eye. Now, instead of dying, he ends up just losing his – I mean, that's a pretty big deal. You lose your eyeball. But he attempted to kill himself. He's now back making a comeback into the league.

And I would assume that the conversation Jet had with him and the we did not read the article should have read the article i'm talking to the guy that did the article so i didn't want to really read the article because he's probably going to go through the entire article i would like to learn it firsthand when it's going i would assume that the outlook on life that said buddy has is incredible right now excited to talk to jet passing about that. And then also, Aqib Tlaib will be joining us today. Got to call some games this year. I believe he is launching a podcast called Catch and Fades under the Colin Coward Podcast Network,

which is presented by Fandle, by the way. Oh. All of them. Catch and Fades, I think. So I believe Aqib Tlaib, FanDuel Sportsbook guy. Cannot wait to chat with him about his career. He's been a part of some remarkable events on the football field. Remarkable.

I believe he is a guy. I got to meet him at the Pro Bowl. He and I were asked to do a Run Rich Run 40 because we missed another event. They said, well, since you missed that event by the way the event i missed could but i didn't know if i don't know if this is what a key missed i'm just telling you the event that i missed at the pro bowl uh they want us to go lay concrete in the middle of the desert basically for a community event oh really yeah we just lost to the patriots by 70 if you do recall and then uh deflate gate was happening it was literally the next day after

that we were asked so i didn't really have an off season i'm like i'm not fucking pouring concrete in the goddamn desert so i missed the event and i was a bad guy i think i was up for i don't know if it was walter payton man of the year or some like good award though and i believe that was reference that i chose to go golf across uh with some of my friends instead of going to the community event made up for it i think if you check my history with what i've done in the community just didn't want to do that the day after we lost by 50 immediately upon following that season um so i bought it vinitary went by the way wow yeah vinitary went i got a i got a call and a text message from him at the event you know because he was actually on the other team because that was the year that they drafted chris carter and uh i don't remember who the other coach was chris carter and somebody

uh they drafted the teams you know so me and vinnie make it together for i think the second time in the history of the nfl leckler and janikowski made it together and uh we get drafted we get drafted a separate team so we're gonna together at the Pro Bowl. Michael Irvin. Michael Irvin, yeah. So he was drafted Michael Irvin's team. I was drafted Chris Carter's team. We went to separate teams. How you doing?

Keep it moving. He went to a vent, though. I was on golf course. He sent me a picture of him working. I sent a picture of a massive amount of booze and golf clubs. And that's why Vinatieri's Vinatieri, by the way. In hindsight, that's potentially why Vinatieri's Vinatieri by the way in hindsight that's potentially why Vinatieri's Vinatieri

or whatever but that's 100% on me oh Aqib Talib I don't know what event he missed I'd assume he missed some event there

because there was a lot the Pro Bowl was a lot of things okay gotta do this gotta do this gotta do this this has to happen

gotta go in here do this you get to sorry I don't have to you get to do this you get to do this please do this please do this this whole thing so he must have missed something I don't have to. You get to do this. You get to do this. Please do this. Please do this.

This whole thing. So he must have missed something. I don't know what event. We had to do the Run Rich Run thing. I had like a five, six minute conversation with him right there. Awesome. Like electric conversation. I don't think I've ever heard any teammate of his say they didn't love him.

So that is a big deal in my eyes. Like, hey, how do your teammates feel about you? Let's go ahead and uh let's get their view on the entire thing everybody loves to keep to it cannot wait to chat with him in the third hour alongside a jay hawk actone digs is here boston connor is here ty schmidt is here at viva lazito is here with a youtube poll today's poll zito is he can be found on our youtube page uh youtube.com forward slash the pat mcee show in the community section on our YouTube page. Our poll today is, what food are you

eating for the Super Bowl on Sunday? What do you want to vote for? I haven't picked yet. Pizza, dude. Hell yeah. Oh, no. 56%. Pizza, 44%. Holy shit. How many votes have been had? 6,000 votes already in 14 minutes.

220,000 votes on the one yesterday. 290,000 votes on the one from Monday. Jeez. Wait till we put out the Friday one. It's like, hey, you got Buccaneers or Chiefs, dude? Like, just go ahead and let that one in. That one's going to go everywhere. Shout out to YouTube, by the way.

Yeah. And shout out to Sirius, obviously, having us on the channel. We really appreciate it. Thank you. No shout out to the PR, obviously, having us on the channel. We really appreciate it. Thank you. No shout out to the PR guy that left us off the press release about us having Super Bowl specials for them. That guy stinks. Yeah.

That guy does stink. I don't know him personally, but a couple of the moves he has made lead me to believe he potentially stinks. He may stink. Might be a nice guy. However. Hey, probably a really nice guy. Probably.

Also stinks. But he stinks i mean larry the cable guy massive i get it yeah but could you you had 10 people on the announcement you couldn't add one more comment just if you were gonna stop it like two kevin hart oh incredible all right awesome to be even in the same thing but whenever you list out what i'll read it they listed out 10 of them for this thing i mean 10 of them they know seven of them what's that they know seven of them yeah hold on let's uh at least here's this here's a press release ready listeners can tune in to special programming from kevin hart and the plastic cup boys hell yeah check they're awesome fair this is happening on serious this week okay kenny chesney uncle kenny okay uncle

i like kenny chesney a lot love ken his lyrics are actually uh rather remarkable if you listen to him but i learned after learned after he released an album. And I forget the name of it. It had a bus on the front of it. The American Kids one. Yes. The lyrics were incredible. Like, incredible.

The songs. I mean, everybody makes fun of Country, including myself, because it's just like, feel good. How you doing? Let's drink a beer. Oh, I'm heartbroken. Let's go ahead and get out of here. Dig's a big fan. Obviously. Oh, wow. Should we? Wow. I didn a beer. Oh, I'm heartbroken. Let's go ahead and get out of here. Diggs, big fan of. Obviously.

Oh, wow. Should we? Wow. I didn't know if you wanted to get into that. Anyways, we will not get into that. Tony. That neighbor, though. Jeez.

The gourd on that guy. Morgan, you can't do it, dude. No. Can't do it. Don't care how drunk you are. Can't do it. Never. Anyways, we don't know him, by the way.

Just want to let it be known. Diggs was a fan of him starting yesterday. Bad timing. It ended, I would assume, this morning when you woke up. Yeah, pretty quickly. Morgan lost a lot of fans this morning. But Kenny Chesney, Brett Favre. All right.

Sure. I don't know. What? Don't know. Brett Favre, whenever he speaks, it moves me. Larry the Cable Guy. All right. Nice.

Joel and Victoria Austin. Former Super Bowl MVPs Phil Sims and Joe Flacco. Doug Flutie. Sway. By the way, disrespect to Sway to have his ass this low. Sway should be much higher than that. Charles Woodson and others. You're telling me you couldn't do 1, 2,

3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, husband, wife, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. You couldn't just add one more comma and put us in there? How about Chris Mad Dog Russo? What about Chris Mad Dog Russo? Well, what I don't understand, too,

is I get that they're big on serious, but what the hell does Joel Osteen do? He's got easter bee coming on go oh there it is there it is and you know he'll say in every locker room they pray just like we're gonna do right here for the next three hours if you donate i don't know 10 bucks i'll put in a good word you donate 20 i'll tell you what we'll get you to front of the line you donate 100 bucks to us right now you're in heaven i'll say it that son of a bitch got a stadium down there oh yeah stadium ppp please oh yeah but he's got a stadium so i believe he wouldn't open his doors when something happened oh yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things down there.

Oh, God. You know? But Joel Osteen has, that's his business. He goes, he's big. We're not saying any of these people aren't massive celebrities. No, no. Joe Flacco, Phil Simmons. All right?

Phil Sims. Simmons. Bill Simmons. By the way, Bill Simmons is under all good. All these people on there. But you have 13. You can't just have Chris Mad Dog Russo at 14. Why not us at 15?

So I appreciate Sirius, obviously. The opportunity to be on Sirius is very cool. We get a chance to, you know, a pretty intimate relationship with a lot of people. But what YouTube is doing for us is unbelievable. And I'm very, very thankful. Very, very thankful. Willing to leave, but very, very thankful. Good platform, but there's others. Yeah, we got a business we got to leave, but very, very thankful. Good platform, but there's

others. Yeah, we got a business we got to run, too. We got families. We got houses being purchased. Foxy's looking at fucking houses right now. There's things we've got to do. But I do love this YouTube. And I like Sirius a lot. But this guy seems to stink at his job.

Not as a person, but at his job. He's dead. speaking of stinking whenever you're andrew luck i would assume every single word that's said about you is one that you have to either not know about because you're just living your life which andrew luck i think has anybody heard he's just completely just you never see that from anybody by the way often and i think it it is a perfect depiction of what andrew luck is by the way he's like one of the most simple sophisticated incredible athletes to ever exist he literally rode a bike around town not because he wanted to do it as some like uh like mission statement because that's just what he did he he would drink

at small little tiny bars he would have a couple IPAs or whatever. He was just a very simple, incredibly intelligent freak athlete. There's not a lot of Andrew Lux in the world, ever. Never will be. I think he ran faster than Cam Newton, jumped higher than Cam Newton as well, shortly after Cam Newton. Since high school, he's been called the next John Elway. Then he goes to Stanford, lives up to the hype.

Then he becomes the number one draft pick after Peyton Manning got cut in Indianapolis and goes, we go to the AFC Championship, I think. He played incredible, but he got so banged up from the style of play that he is that he's forced into an earlier retirement, makes that decision untimely. I think a lot of people would say even himself looking back on it, didn't expect it to come when it came.

And I don't think anybody will ever fully, was it because he didn't want to get back into training rehab because he hurt himself again after what happened a couple years ago whenever he had to leave the country by the way that whole thing but anytime his name is mentioned because he retired young everybody goes oh he's going to come back he's going to come back or whatever the thing about it is i do not know andrew luck that well all right i was on his team but believe it or not, Andrew Luck and I are not similar people. IPAs. Pretty different individuals.

And I also tweeted that picture of him. I think that potentially led us off on a not great. We got along, respected each other, got along, were nice to each other, but I wasn't being invited to any Andrew Luck events. You know what I mean? off on a not great we we got along respected each other yeah got along we're nice to each other but i wasn't being invited to any andrew luck events you know what i mean like there was no i wasn't getting invited to the house or whatever and that's completely cool with me right i got along with a lot of the defense guys in the second regime first regime mostly whole team how you doing second regime sent out a tweet of a guy naked probably not going to trust you a bit so

i became friends well by the By the way, massive mistake. I almost puked whenever I learned that it happened out there. If you just, you know, zoomed into the back air because Adam Vinatieri was who I was taking. But anyways, Andrew Luck, whenever he retired, I think a lot of the people that knew him rather well, like Hasselbeck had a great relationship with him. I think he didn't even know if Andrew would come back. I thought no way he comes back. Andrew does this. He's going off into the distance.

He has the world at his fingertips if he wants to build it. I think he's like one of the highest wanted architectural engineers on earth, which by the way, pays a lot of money, okay? His dad, obviously an incredible businessman in the sports world. He's been paid a lot of money.

Jim Irsay told him to keep the $25 million for his contract. Like, just go do what you got to do. And he's just, he's started a family. He's just kind of disappeared from any relevance. And I think Andrew Luck is completely cool with that. Like, completely cool with that. But I also think Andrew saying that he retired meant a lot to him.

Like, I don't think that was a, a lot of people think he just came that. No, Andrew Luck, that was a very deep thinking. His dad played. He knows the business. Like, that was a lot of people think he just came that no andrew luck that was a very deep thinking his dad played he knows the business like that was a deep so i always assume if you get to that decision especially with the way he is i think it's a forever thing and maybe it's because of how i viewed it like hey i come out and say i'm retired all right that's a big stance and a lot of people attacked me for retiring by the way way. Never going to make it. This is stupid. I had people telling me to, my friend should hold the jersey on me or whatever. But for me, there has been a couple of times where I've thought like, oh, that'd be cool.

Maybe go kick field goals in the NFL because I never got to do that. Right. So, okay, maybe I go kick field goals. That's an opportunity. But then I start thinking about it. I'm like, I don't know if I want to get back into this NFL life. Like, I don't know if I want to do it. So for me, I've always been very focused on like okay i want people to not even remember that i played football with andrew luck i assume he has a much different attitude

but we haven't heard a single thing from him no so it's not like he yearns for the moment again the spotlight again you know what i mean that's not the type of guy he is at all actually espn i think stopped reporting about us because andrew luck's press conferences and conversations weren't like any he was just like a normal chill dude so i always assumed that he would just disappear into the night or whatever but there's allegedly some text hey it is freezing in this place oh yeah very cold like a cold right now yeah it's very cold. Arctic chill. Yes. Arctic blast or Arctic chill?

Well, the Arctic blast is giving us an Arctic chill. It's coming from the north. Anyway, so it's cold, though. Yeah, it's cold chill. I was asked this morning. I was on a couple of serious shows talking about the Super Bowl. They were like, you're in a cutoff. Are you cold or whatever?

And I was like, no, it's a state of mind. But I could see my breath like yeah i'm a bit chilly at this point but i threw 617 punches last night in the fourth round feeling pretty good about where we're at anyways i'm in training by the way um mike austin at kareem jump man two favorite basketball players if i guess uh mike austin is from Indiana, I believe. I've looked at his Twitter profile. He tweeted, at Ricard on Sports, which is a show, by the way, right? I assume. My wife has a mutual friend with Nicole's best friend,

which is the wife of Andrew. I think this answers a lot of our questions, Mike says. This was Sunday or yesterday. I'm not sure. Then if you zoom in on those text messages it is allegedly um Nicole P who is uh Andrew Luck's wife's name is Nicole uh Mike Austin is tweeting these pictures because his wife has a mutual friend who just so happens to be Nicole's best friend correct right so nicole's text allegedly is lucy just spoke a full sentence almost ha ha ha okay massive moment right your baby just spoke a sentence this is how tight

mike austin's wife's mutual friend is with nicole okay very tight no way says mike Mike Austin's wife's mutual friend of Nicole. Yep, it was the cutest thing ever. Andrew didn't know what to do. Smiley face. So Thursday, do you want to run to Saks with me and Laney? Andrew is having a meeting with Jim around noon-ish. Absolutely. Jim who?

Okay, so Nicole's best friend got a text message from uh nicole just using the word gym and just a free like whatever they just gym and then her best friend didn't know which gym she was referring to is that really a best friend that you'd be telling that your baby just had a full sentence to questions i have questions but allegedly this is from Nicole. Absolutely. Jim who? And then Nicole answers, Jimmy with the Colts. Jim Irsay.

Jimmy Colts. Jimmy with the Colts. Jimmy Horseshoe. Jimmy's cousin. Jimmy Horseshoe. You know Jimmy, the guy that gave us $25 million. Jimmy. Jimmy with the Colts.

WTF? He misses football huh we told him he would so this person told andrew luck that he would miss football and doesn't know who jim is when andrew luck's wife texted jim meeting all right okay uh missus is an understatement if he does play again is the first stop. We all hate when he's gone for a day or two at a time, but he'll be so much happier. We all know he misses it more than anything. Okay, and I would like to say this. As a Colts fan, I'll tell you what. I hope Mike Austin's wife's mutual friend is Nicole Lux,

or Nicole, I don't know her last name. It has a P there. Her best friend. By the way, congrats on the full sentence. Yeah. Lucy. Big news. Okay.

Congrats on him potentially getting back into football. All Indianapolis Colts fans. Yeah. Hell yeah. That's awesome for us. But a massive fuck you to Nicole's best friend who leaked these text messages. Mike Austin, his wife, and everybody else. Yeah.

Because this is completely what? friend who leaked these text messages uh mike austin his wife and everybody else because this is completely what slapping privacy in the face of any person you're trying to basically extort information out of now who you're supposed to be a best friend so it doesn't look good if it is real for the people that leaked it right you're a terrible person all right horrible horrible person you're a bad person for doing this unless by the way unless Nicole called them and said hey you can do this then we are misjudging you completely but if that did not happen you're a terrible person and uh also if it did not happen this is a very interesting time to be a Colts fan because the internet took over and was like we got a guy yeah I saw a lot of tweets we got our guy back because Andrew Luck is phenomenal as a football player he is a guy yeah i saw a lot of tweets we got our guy back because andrew luck is phenomenal

as a football player he is a guy and we were in on the matthew stafford thing that would be amazing there'll always be hope but i'll tell you what whoever made this if it's real you're a terrible person and if it's fake i'm sure andrew luck hates you for putting his life into this situation because he's gonna have to come out and talk about this. Yeah, I mean, I think it's complete bullshit. But, hey, guess what? Andrew Luck might be coming back. Jimmy with the Colts. He still wants him.

Here we go. Does Andrew even care? Oh, sorry. No, go ahead. What were you going to say? Does Andrew Luck even care? Who knows? I want to let you know, I've never talked to him.

But I would assume that people who do talk to him are probably telling him about what's going on right now. And at some point you will hear something, hopefully, or maybe not. Maybe Andrew would just be like, nah, I'm not answering every single thing, which is what, by the way, Aaron Rodgers did. I'll just, what did he say? Kill him with indifference. Kill him with indifference, which is awesome, by the way. Tony Dungy will be joining us right now.

Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, legendary coach. Not on yet. Almost. So, Andrew Luck. Yeah, for and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, legendary coach. Not on yet. Almost. Almost. So, Andrew Luck. Yeah, for Andy Luck, though, actually, how long does it take him to get back into full football shape? Who knows? Gronk took, what, one month, two months?

But also, at the beginning of the season, he was a little slower, and he wasn't really running sprints. Yeah. True, but what did it take him? Two months? Eight weeks, probably? Is that how long it took him? I feel like Andrew's in shape at all times, right? We don't know.

We have no idea. Probably lost a lot of weight. He showed up one time very small. Oh, yeah, you're right. And then he showed up one time, and it was like massive. And whenever he played, by the way, he was a massive man. Andrew was massive. He was a freak athlete.

Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, legendary head coach, now NBC sports analyst, ladies and gentlemen, Tony Dunchy. Yay! Tony! Tony, how's it going? Hey, doing well. How are you guys? Oh, you got a Jeep going to pop the top off down there in Tampa.

Yeah, I didn't want to have the top off and just make you guys totally jealous, so I left the top off. It's a nice day for the top to be off down here. Well, it's 20-something degrees back here in Indianapolis. Come on back. Come on back. We miss you. Come on back.

Can't wait. Hey, Coach, we were just talking about these alleged text messages that came out on the Internet last night about Andrew Luck potentially returning and meeting with Jimmy from the Colts is how Nicole allegedly said it right and there's by the way if those are real terrible friend leaking those text messages and if it's not real which is probable this is going to be something that I think could potentially happen for the foreseeable future while Andrew Luck remains retired and the Colts are without a

quarterback what are your thoughts on that entire thing and do you ever think there's a chance Andrew Luck comes back? You probably know him better than I do, if I had to guess. I would be surprised if Andrew came back. I think this will be something that is talked about forever. When I left, you know, I got for five or six or eight years. Maybe Tony Dungy will come back for this one. Maybe Tony Dungy will come back for that job. Maybe Tony Dungy will come back for that job. I had no intentions of coming back,

but people always want to discuss it. I think Andrew's the same way. When he left, you know, it wasn't the time. At least I didn't see it as, well, hey, I'm leaving for a year to get myself together and see where I am and possibly come back. He loves football. He loved football.

He had a great career, had a great team there. And he was stepped away from it. So I don't think he'll be back, but it will certainly invite a lot of speculation. It's especially in the world that we're in right now with the quarterback market. Insane coach, a absolutely insane. Obviously it's moving towards a world where the players frustrations and grievances can be heard and acted upon much more so than in the past and I believe that's just kind of our society as a whole it's like hey let's go ahead and make this right and move forward I feel like that is kind of how uh you know most sports are becoming and the NFL is kind of catching up to that whenever you think about Deshaun Watson whenever you think about what happened with Matthew

Stafford and Jared Goff how do you feel about it as a guy who's been around the NFL as a player and a coach for a long, long time? Well, you're right. The league has never been more quarterback driven. The rules, free agency, everything leads to, hey, if you get a great quarterback, you've got a chance to be highly successful. Tom Brady makes Tampa Bay from an also-ran 9-7, 7-9 type team to a Super Bowl team. So everybody's looking for that instant credibility, what that guy can bring. Quarterbacks have never been more in demand.

So I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. We're going to see this more and more and more as the years go on. How do you feel about uh deshaun watson down there that's an interesting thing and i know you are a man of faith okay and i know that very much so you've done a lot of great work and everything all pro dad everything you've been a part i mean very very the jack easterby situation in houston seems to be one from chaplain in new england to righthand man of owner in the building and then you saw what happened with the Bill O'Brien situation in the middle of the season then you

hear about these stories Deshaun wants out then there's exposés in Sports Illustrated from anonymous sources which are the worst kind of sources in the sports world but they happen whenever you think about that Jack Easterby situation how do you feel about it going forward how do they save that team i feel like that's going to be a very tough job very very tough job uh for casario and uh dave solly i believe uh to turn that whole thing around that's gonna be tough yeah holly collie sorry yeah yeah no it is and i'll say this, Pat, about Deshaun Watson. I met him in 2017. I did the Clemson Chapel. They played the national championship game in Tampa against Alabama. And I did that chapel service and I got to meet Deshaun.

And from then on, this is three, four years now. I guess it was 2016 season. And no one at Clemson says a bad word about that young man. Special, great leader, good person. That's all you hear. He goes to Houston as their number one draft choice. The first thing he does is give his entire first game check to the cafeteria workers who were displaced by Hurricane Harvey. He's indoctrinated himself into the city. He does so many things down there with the youth and reading

and giving back. He grew up in a home that was donated by work done. So he knows what it means to give back to the community and be an athlete. So he does all of this, and he is one of the most endeared people in Houston, and now for some reason says, hey, it's over. I don't want to play here. I would say something really dramatic happened, and I wouldn't put it on Deshaun Watson, and I wouldn't say he's one of those spoiled guys that just didn't get his way, so he wants something different.

Something happened. I think it's going to take a long time to overcome down there isn't it interesting isn't it very interesting that if they trade away deshaun watson which they can or can't obviously that's their decision to be made they had no interest in trading the player they said but that has been said a lot of times in the past and players have been traded immediately afterwards but let's say they trade him i mean it's almost gonna have to be a full pr thing too for other players in a league for a potential free agency or how do you keep the locker room going i mean it is aside from just money okay which is every team has it's gonna be interesting to see how they handle things you know behind the scenes to make them a desirable location for a lot of players to come play

if this deshaun watson thing doesn't get figured out hopefully it does let's talk about super bowl week coach um you've obviously won a super bowl uh as a coach i believe and um did you win as a player too you did one one as a player one as a coach okay any differences there what was the big difference how much were you more nervous as a player, one as a coach. Okay, any differences there? What was the big difference? Were you more nervous as a player, more nervous as a coach? What are the vibes going into a game? Well, the big difference was 28 years in between. It was a Super Bowl game, but it was just a game. I mean, it was very much like this year.

We came down. We flew in. We played the game. Yes, the Cowboys had won two at that time i was with the steelers we had won two hey whoever wins is going to be the team of the decade so there was some build-up but it wasn't this constant uh what we have now and so it took me 28 years to get back we go to super bowl 41 with the colts and it is off the charts. I mean, we're down there all week. There's broadcasts. Everything's going on. Media Day, Radio Row, just all the hoopla that goes with it.

It was unbelievable to me, the difference. So navigating that, trying to get your guys to be able to enjoy the week, to enjoy the journey, to cherish the memories, but still keep your focus on the game and what it's going to take to win that game on Sunday. That was a challenge. Now, these teams, it's a little different. Because of this pandemic, I think this is more like Super Bowl V, Super Bowl X, in that, hey, we're just playing the game, and a lot of the hoopla is gone. That's interesting.

That is very interesting to think about, because they're flying in two days before in and out. Everything's happening via Zoom calls, which is the exact same way that all basically training camp was. So there's nothing really different except for a different backdrop for some guys to plug an item during the entire thing. You're 100 percent right there. That opening kickoff in that Super Bowl you're referring to with the Colts. Hester takes it a crib. You have a little bit of a heart attack there? Very bad decision, Pat, on my part. All week up in Indy we're practicing,

and we know he's their number one threat. They don't have a lot of offensive weaponry. They win with defense and special teams. So for the whole week we're in Indy. We're not going to let him touch the ball. We practice squibbing to the corners, bouncing the ball, high kick, pop-up, kick-off, punt it out of bounds, everything to not let him touch the ball. We have a chapel service, and the chaplain talks about David and Goliath,

and he says, hey, the reason David beat Goliath, he wasn't afraid. Everybody else was afraid. David ran right at him, threw it right between the eyes, and it was over. And I started thinking, we're playing. We're acting like we're afraid of Devin Hester. So I told the team on Saturday night, I hope we lose the toss. We're going to kick off. We're going to kick it right down the middle. When we pound him, they'll know we mean business.

It's going to be over. We kicked it to him 12 seconds later. He's in the other end of the sideline looking at me saying, what idiot decided to kick them all to Devin Hester? But fortunately, the last 59 minutes, the team made up for it. Wait until they see the tone we set on the opening kickoff. Yeah, that was it. I bet you Vinatieri was sitting there, eh? I don't know if that's such a good idea.

That's awesome.ieri was sitting there. I don't know if that's such a good idea. That's awesome. What a moment there. Peyton Manning going into the Hall of Fame. 13-second conversation about him. You were his coach. We talked to Clyde Christensen the other day and tried to compare Tom and Peyton what it's like to coach both of them. And everybody that's ever talked about coaching Peyton,

it's like you have to challenge him. You have to have enough information for him. You have to make him better. You have to do all these things. What was it like being a head coach of a team that had Peyton Manning as a quarterback? That was exactly it, Pat. He was always looking for perfection,

always looking to get better, always had ideas. That game, we're practicing in Indy, and it's like two weeks before the game. And he said, hey, I was looking at the 14-day forecast, and it might rain. I think we ought to practice with wet balls. I'm like, what are you talking about? We practice with wet balls in Indianapolis to get ready for a possible rain. And don't you know, it rained the whole game.

And he looked like a genius. But that was him just always, you know, besides watching 16 games of the Bears defense and all their playoff games and having Jim Sorge watch the year before in case they did something different and all these different game plans. I'm going to watch the 14-day forecast just to see what the weather might be down there but that was payton and i loved him for it and he was great to coach he he got everybody better made everybody better challenged everybody and no doubt in my

mind definitely 13th second first ballot hall of famer i i thought it should have been you know a little bit shorter conversation it's just i mean i don't know how long it takes to say Peyton Manning and then yes. But that seems – by the way, if Tom Brady – what if he's 14 seconds? Oh. Whoa. There'll be some upset people, yeah. We are setting up for that conversation at some point now, inevitably. The thought of him walking into your office though and saying you know i was

watching weather channel jim cantor said there's a chance of precipitation coming i mean that is just that is an insane thing have you ever been around anybody else that was like that was it was that a very new because the the legend is when bill pollian was interviewing ryan leaf and peyton manning at the combine peyton came in with a briefcase and interviewed Bill Polian, basically. It was one of those things. Is there anybody else ever that has been like that, or is it just a different level? Because I got to witness the end of it, and it made me a much better punter, even though I played nowhere near the same position. And I told Vinatieri this when I was talking to him a couple weeks ago or whatever, now that he's working with his son, AJ. His son, by the way, great punter and great kicker. He's going to be in the league or whatever now that he's working with his son aj you know his son by the way great punter and great kicker he's going to be in the league or whatever but i was talking to him about how

it wasn't until i realized how mad adam got when he missed a kick in practice right on like a wednesday that i realized how important like every single day like hey every single day is a game day and i think there's only a few guys that are really like that. I would assume Adam got that from obviously when he was in New England and when he joined, he probably saw how Peyton looked at that as well. Was there numerous people that you've met that have been like that, or is Peyton just the person that is the most detail-oriented? I was around a lot of driven people, but nobody like that.

And you're right. Every day was perfection for him. Mondays for us, Pat, usually the theory was that would be the day that the backup quarterback, the receivers who didn't play, the guys who didn't play, that's when they get their practice time. And so Monday's schedule was for Jim Sorge and the backup receivers. schedule was for Jim Sorge and the backup receivers. And Peyton would always come in and say, well, I've got these eight plays that we didn't run exactly perfectly. Let me start with those. And then you can get Jim in the practice schedule. And he was like that with everything. And Saturday he'd come in with a yellow legal pad with about 20 notes on it. Hey, this play

wasn't perfect on Wednesday. We need to run this one again today. This one was a little bit off. Reggie ran this route at 13 yards instead of 12 on Friday, so we need to run this again. He'd have 100 plays for Saturday. I said, you know, we do have a game tomorrow. We have a whole game today, but that's

just how he was, and it made everybody better. It was awesome. You guys obviously won a Super Bowl together. He went on to win another one at denver uh what a legend man what do you got time coach there have been a lot of rumors about aaron rogers with the rams reaching out to potentially get him and now they're saying there's there's chances that he could go back to san francisco even though the gm said you know he's staying put we're not trading do you see there being any way that rogers could move this offseason? You know, it happens.

Crazy things happen. Unbelievable things happen. I never thought I would see Joe Montana traded from the 49ers, but it happened. So where Green Bay is, I think they're very close to a championship. I don't think I would break it up if I were them, but you never know in this business. And that's kind of what Aaron was talking about, by the way,

with nothing being said because you literally never – and to your point about Montana, Peyton got cut, you know? Yes. Did you ever think Peyton Manning would be in another uniform? Ever. I got a text message from somebody that said, don't answer your phone if the building calls you. They just cut Peyton. I was like, well, unbelievable that happened. I was like, Connor, what do you think? phone if the building calls you. They just cut Peyton. Unbelievable that

happened. Connor, what do you think? Coach, it seems like teams are starting to trade their first round picks to kind of build their future team in free agency. Do you see that as the smarter move? And was that also common when you were in the NFL? There were two schools of thought. Some people said, hey, we're going to build veterans,

draft choices, they're hit and miss, it takes a long time to develop. I was always of the draft choice mode. I grew up with that in Pittsburgh, and that's how we did it. And Bill Poland fortunately thought the same way. So we built our team slowly, and we wanted to compete for a long time. But when you have Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning, Edgerton James, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, Joseph Adai. That's how we built the team. Now there'll be other people that say, hey, it's going to be hit and miss, so I'm not going to worry. We're going to be a good team. We're going to be drafting at the bottom of the round anyway. I'd rather use those picks and get players

that I know can play in the NFL. It's just two different theories. But I think drafting and developing is the better way for the long run. I like the people that have enough self-awareness to go, we stink at drafting. It seems like we're looking around. Did you hear what Tony Dungy just listed off on who they hit on in the draft? We don't have any of those. Bill Polian was having fifth and sixth round Hall of Famers as draft draft. We don't have any of those. All right? Bill Polian was having fifth and sixth round Hall of Famers as draft picks.

We don't have that. So let's go ahead and let's ship all of our picks out of town and let's just go with people we know are good. It is two very different train of thoughts. We appreciate you so much. I hope you enjoy the hell out of Super Bowl weekend, Tony. Hey, thank you, Pat. It's great down here and we'll see what happens.

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What's up, man? Fellas, what's going on with y'all? I don't know if you got a chance to hear the computer fucking crashed there just a second ago yeah i heard yeah it was problematic a key but we got through it uh and by the way incredible job calling games this year dude yeah oh yeah thank you brother appreciate it man i would assume that there was uh whenever the opportunity was presented were you excited to get a chance to call games what was your your whole thought process there and then after doing

it what is your mindset on it uh i was i was shocked actually uh you know because you know we didn't wake up like i'm gonna call games i'm gonna call games when i'm done playing football like i ain't that wasn't a dream of mine you know know what I'm saying? So I got the call to do the audition. I did the audition. Then I got the call to, you know, sign a contract. So I signed the contract, and it was six months before I knew if I was going to call a game or not. You know what I'm saying? I signed a three-game deal, so I still didn't really know, you know.

But when I got the call that, okay, you finna call this game, shit got real a little bit. You know, I had to start studying and, you know, I had to really get to it. And I was nervous, man. It was like planning your first game. But coming out the booth, man, when it was all said and done, I was driving to the airport and I was like, man, you know, I had a lot of fun.

I might be able to do this shit, you know, so I enjoyed myself. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. Hey, it was very refreshing. It was fun to watch games that you were calling. Did you by any chance reach out to your old coach from your rookie year, John Gruden, try to get some pointers on how to do it in the booth? I didn't.

I didn't. He got his hands full over there, man. He holding it down in Vegas, man. So, you know, I'm going to let him take care of his business. And, you know, if I need him in the future, I might call him in the offseason. But, you know, I kind of got to doing my thing during the season. So I didn't want to bother Gru like that. How did you – did you watch film and do the whole – like how was the – what was the preparation process after the first one?

Maybe before the first one, then after the first one, you know? Gotta watch film now. Now, Pat, I don't know how much film you watch. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. Not a lot, dude. The less is better. Okay, don't overthink this thing.

Just go out there, kick fucking ball, dude. I don't know. But, but you feel me? You know, you know, you gotta, you gotta, gotta we gotta watch tape i'm used to watching tape anyway so yeah if i'm gonna talk about the game man and i'm gonna be the voice of the game you gotta watch tape so you gotta know what the hell going on man you gotta know who you're talking about what you're talking about and it's it's a little bit harder really because you know, you know, when I'm watching tape to play, I only have to watch the offense. So now when I'm watching tape to lead dog the game, I got to know everything.

So I got to watch all four units, man. It was it was I almost lost it. I almost was like, fuck it. I'm cool. Really, I was this close. Yeah, I'm saying. But, you know, I've been here before. I had to really, you know, buckle down in my chair.

I've been here before, man. I signed up for it. Let's do it. So definitely was some hard work. It was a lot harder than I thought it was going to be. Well, we appreciate you putting in the effort, man. It was a welcomed voice over a game. I hope you plan on doing it in the future.

I'm excited to see how that whole thing pans out. Let's talk about the state of the NFL, though. It is awesome being an analyst right now or a pundit outside of the NFL. I don't know what it's like inside the NFL right now, but I do know talking about what's going on in the NFL is awesome right now. Deshaun Watson wants out of town. They say you're not going anywhere. Goff just signed $100-and-some million.

He's traded alongside three other picks from Matthew Stafford, Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz. Everything is popping off right now. Whatever the players want to do, basically, it seems like it's starting to happen. How do you feel about that going forward? I talked about Tony Dungy. I talked to Tony Dungy in the first hour. He talked about how he enjoys it.

He doesn't mind it at all. It's much different obviously than it was back in the day how do you feel about this and what do you think it'll affect going forward with the nfl man i think i think it's due man you know all the all the other sports it's basically the same way man guys go where they want to go you know i'm saying if you don't want to play somewhere you may not land exactly where you want to go but you have options you know i'm saying if i don't want to play here you're not pretty exactly where you want to go but you have options you know i'm saying if i don't want to play here then i pretty much you get out of there all the rest of the sports like that man so i don't see why football should be any different man you know

i'm saying so i actually love it you know i'm saying it's it's it's it's due it's due man so guys get the right they own shit a little bit now. So, man, I think it'll set up for better football. Guys will be happier, man. We play good when we happy. You know what I'm saying? So it'll set up for better football. Do you think it'll potentially have like super teams inevitably? Like now, not that that's not happening already.

I mean, the Kansas City Chiefs are one of the best rosters anybody on earth has ever seen before. And somehow they managed to pay everybody, too. I don't know how any of that happened, but they did it. Tampa Bay is loaded. You think we're going to start seeing a lot more of that, huh? Yeah, I think teams will be able to keep all their stars, man. So if you want to keep guys, you can keep guys. I mean, salary cap is really letting us do that.

So if you want to keep guys, you can keep guys. And if you want to trade draft picks, if you want an OG's vet team, you'll be able to put that together, man. You let the team – people who like draft picks, y'all take the draft picks. The people who like OG's, y'all take the OG's, man. And I think it's good. I think it's already super teams out there. I think it'll be even more in the future.

The Rams. I mean, you were a part of the Rams. That was like the OG team, you know? Right, right. That was like the OG team, you know? Right, right. That was one of them fully vet teams. And I don't know. They kind of played it wrong. They should have brought in.

We had the paper to bring in Jalen and keep me an MP for at least that season, right? That's how they should have played it. We would have won the chip. We'd have strapped up. We'd have played man every down, let AD do his thing. We would have won the chip. We would have strapped up. We would have played man every down, let AD do his thing. We would have won the chip, bro. But, you know, they tend to get off the gas a little bit early in that game. Hey, I'm just a player, family.

I'm just a player. I don't do no upstairs work, but, hey, you know what I'm saying? You got to ride it out a little bit. You see the teams who ride it out a little bit they end up in the chip hey keep we see all this movement right now with all these quarterbacks going all over i know jared golf gets traded stafford's coming to la i guess obviously these guys are all great players but why is it so difficult you think to to like scout and find a college quarterback that's going to come in and be your franchise dude man because we're talking about a class of let's say let's just say at least 15 we're talking about a class of 15 guys in the world you know i'm saying so it's hard to be that kind of quarterback

man there's not a lot of them and then they're not just coming left and right. You know what I'm saying? So you just got to shoot your shot. What is it, accuracy? This shit hard. Is it accuracy? Is it thinking? What is it? Nah, it's the time, Pat, to be a quarterback. You got to almost be like the most dedicated football player.

You got to be like a coach and a player in one. You know what I'm saying? You can't do what Lee do. You can't go home after can't do what Lee do. You can't go home after work and do what Lee do. You can't be like that. Your brain can't

handle that quarterback. You got too much to worry about. You got too much shit. I got to know what he do, he do, he do. You got to know too many jobs. It's asking a lot, man. You got to be smart, confident. That's's asking a lot, man. You got to be smart, confident, man. That's a hard job to do. So, man, that's why I applaud Tom and Patrick Mahomes,

the guys who handled it like that. Man, it's hard to do. Why is Tom Brady Tom Brady at this point? What is it? Because, I mean, you look through the history of professional sports and you're just talking about the guy probably going to be go down in the conversation piece 10 years 15 20 years from now is is this guy the greatest professional athlete at his sport of all time because of just the anomaly like numbers he's

been able to put together whenever games matter right playoff numbers super bowl numbers what is it about tom brady you think that makes him the GOAT? And when you say that, Pat, when you talk about games that matter, shit. The games during the regular season, that puts you at home. That makes teams have to come to New England during the postseason so all the motherfuckers matter, right? Yeah. So that's what makes him the GOAT is he operates like all the motherfuckers is the chip.

You know what I'm saying? And that's every day from take his day off on Tuesday, then Wednesday, he's the first one in there. Like, this ain't just no talk. You feel me? He's really the first one in there, the last one to leave. He done mastered the game. So any way you try to beat him on defense, he's seen it before.

He know how he want to attack it. He know how he want to run against it. He know how he want to throw against it, right? So he just mastered the game, man. Like you said, he's probably going to go down as the best professional athlete because he's probably the most professional. Hey, that

was some deep shit. That is good. Real shit. Legit. True. Did you see Danny Amendola's comments about once Tom was the Patriot Way kind of? And we might be taking him out of context. But what do you think of that?

I don't know. The Patriot Way is the Patriot Way, man. I feel like this is what I felt like. The Patriot Way was it don't matter who you is. We expect you to know your job job we expect you to not play around in this media and we expect you to be on time you know i'm saying if you're doing them three things that's the patriot way right there you know i'm saying it it don't matter who you is you get disciplined the same if if revis if you come late you're gone for the whole day you know i'm saying

if if tom brady mess up in practice going to let him know in front of everybody. He might get on Tom. He might get on Gronk in front of everybody. You know what I'm saying? He might get on them two quicker than he'll get on the no-name guy. You know what I'm saying? Just to, you know, set that tempo. So I think it's just super accountability is a.k.a. the Patriot way.

You know what i'm saying so it is you you had to have bill to win on to have a team to have a org a program or organization at the top for that long it can't just be one person bro we playing a super team sport man so tom gonna do his thing with the offense and and bill gonna do his thing with the vibe of the whole building, bro. Because that's what you lose. You win the chip. You lose the vibe of the building. He get big headed.

He get big headed. He want to go. And Bill just keep on replacing that shit and replacing that shit and replacing it. So that's what I felt like the preacher way was, man. Everybody just knowing their role. You feel me? And no matter who you is, we here to do a job. This your job. This your a job this your job this

your job this your job and and so i feel like man it kind of was hand in hand i don't know if tom have all them tips without bill i don't know if bill to have them without time i think we all feel the exact same way and that that's the culture you know people always talk about culture culture culture that shit real it's hard to keep a culture and once you lose it it's hard to get it back you think there's a chance that you think there's a chance Bill in that culture comes back into relevance in the AFC, which is going to be tough. The AFC is going to be tough for a long time. How do you see that going?

Now, Bill is the GOAT, man. You know Bill the GOAT, right? So, as we speak, mixing something up, man. It's going to be all these quarterbacks moving around. One of them quarterbacks is going to land in New England, and the eight pro bowlers who opted out for New England are going to be back. You know what I'm saying? Their whole fucking team opted out.

You know what I'm saying? So them eight all-stars, they're going to be back. You know what I'm saying? So I think the Patriots are going to be cool. They just got to bust the jug. Bill needs a quarterback, man. You got to have a quarterback. You can't do it with anybody.

So you're going to have to get a quarterback. Every team needs a quarterback, by the way. And that goes back to the 15 that you were talking about in the world. Connor, what do you got? Aqib, when you were in L.A., did McVay and Goff have a good relationship or was it kind of like just sprouting when you were there? I mean, I don't know. I don't think I was there long enough to really,

you feel me, know their relationship. Shit, I'm trying to build my own relationship. It looked cool to me. It didn't look like fucked up or nothing. You know what I'm saying? It didn't look bad. It didn't look like they was always bumping heads or nothing like that.

It looked straight. You don't have time to be... We went to the chip. You think about it. We went to the chip when I was there. It's like, no shit. Everything was straight was straight hey winning cures all in the nfl winning and then once once those losses start coming though you start getting shipped out the door with three other picks yeah it's like this once them losses come everybody start pointing fingers and that's

how i go man that's what that's where the come in. How do you feel about this weekend? What do you think is going to happen? Man, I'm the biggest Tom Brady fan, man. I never put the chips against the goat, right? But something telling me you put the chips on the cheap. I don't know what he's telling me to do that shit, though, Pat, because I don't know. I think Tom is going to pass the crown, man. keep telling me to do that shit though pat because i don't know i think i think i think that i think tom is gonna pass the crown man uh i've seen a lot of quarterbacks right i've seen a lot of quarterbacks man a bunch of them man running quarterbacks pocket quarterbacks and my home

is legit you know i'm saying he's a real legit quarterback i think we watching him in the flesh the next you know a rojo guy i'm saying we we watching them to breathe that next goat goat i think we watching them in the flesh and this is gonna be a big part of that movement right here man so i just don't see how you can stop the chiefs i don't see how nobody could stop this super bowl we talked about for a long time whether whatever happens tom wins right there's people saying like if tom wins this is the one obviously if pat wins it's like the baton being passed and on the greatest stage that there is i mean there's so much storybook bullshit and i can't wait to hear hey i can't wait to hear you

talk about everything on your uh new podcast catching fades when will that debut and uh fandu is the greatest sports book so you're with a good group right so yeah yeah man uh i'm super excited about it man uh volume podcast network uh connor coward reached out man told me they wanted me to run it so definitely excited about that uh i think the first show aired yesterday i got on with laguerre blunt we talked a lot of super bowl stuff yeah it's cool you knowies, that's my dog. So it was a good episode, man. It's out right now on that volume podcast network, man.

Catching Fades. The show. Gies? Am I allowed to call him that, you think, if I talk to him? Yeah. Yeah, if you talk to him, you call him Gies. I promise you, he's going to bust out laughing and all that. All right.

I appreciate that. Ladies and gentlemen, all pro, Pro Bowl, Super Bowl champ, Fox commentator, and host of the Catch and Fade's podcast, Aqib Tlaib. Thank you. Thank you, man. Joining us now from ESPN, a man who knows everything about a sport that used to be considered America's pastime, coming on to talk to us about an incredibly inspiring and powerful story

that he debuted yesterday on ESPN+. Ladies and gentlemen, Jet Passer. Yeah! Hell yeah! That's right, Jet! That a boy. I was leaning to the side last time I was on, so I want to make sure that I'm in the middle.

I'm in the right spot. Do I look centered? Am I all right? No, you're a little bit off still, but whenever we go to the full cam, you see, go to the full cam. See, now... What a disaster.

We were going to tell you last time, you looked terrible last time. Yeah, I looked like total horseshit. It was awful. You sounded cool, though. Yeah. You know, so it kind of, you know what I mean? I was like.

Balancing that a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we didn't want to be like, hey, Jet, come on. Move to the center of the thing. This is a professional operation. But then the things you were saying were so good. So we're like, all right, that makes up for it. Jet, always great whenever you stop by because I get a chance to pick up the old bat

and learn about what's going on in the baseball world. You debuted a story yesterday that was incredibly powerful. And I would assume that whenever you told us last week, hey, I have something coming next week, you're going to want to talk about, that was what you were referring to. And by the way, you're 100% right. What an incredible story coming out of Major League Baseball right now. Before we get to that, and first off, I appreciate you having me on. You're a good friend. You're a good person. And the reason that I brought it up last week is because the audience of your show is exactly who this story should be talking to.

But I want to go through the mechanics of what happened. through the mechanics of what happened when i said this last week the baseball world somehow thought that either the new york yankees were going to get like a cheating allegation against them that the mets were going to turn into a giant sexual harassment disaster yeah that i was going to have some kind of like terrible story i am i the grim reaper so is this something new that i don't know about i don't think this is technically your fault but anytime you tease something and i watched it by the way i didn't even know there was a baseball twitter there is i told i told jeff i said i didn't even know this was happening there was a lot of reaction to what jeff there was people clipping the show not adding

anybody so i didn't even really know it existed but then it was getting i was getting added about it and it was big baseball people talking about it and it was all incredibly massive expose like stories that were being projected out there and let me tell you why when you tease something they expect something big and terrible and i was was a little bit worried that you were potentially going to fall into the trap that Jay Glazer fell into at the beginning of this quarantine. Now, Jay Glazer has worked himself out of that because Jay Glazer is a sheesh, bat fell, a longtime professional. Whenever he teased, oh, I got a big story, big story tomorrow, big story.

And it was a guy who got COVID in the NFL, which was happy he survived, but nobody we knew was even in the NFL. That was, I thought was potentially going to happen with you when you're like, hey, big story, you know, the overhypeness of it. But then when I heard about it, I was like, that's a, that is an incredible story. That is something I would love to talk about. And you're right. I think people watching and listening, no matter who you are,

especially after watching, you know, a lot of things, documentaries about the state of the world i think this is a very good uh story to be told so i appreciate you coming on jeff for those that maybe didn't get to see it can you tell us a little bit more about drew robinson yeah drew robinson was uh with the texas rangers for a couple of years moved to the san francisco, sort of a guy who was always going to be fringy between a AAA and a big league player and ends up with the Giants last year. What he'd been carrying through his whole career, really his whole life,

were feelings of worthlessness, of depression, of sadness, of I'm not good enough, of I have nobody to talk to. All of these things going untreated for as long as they did, Pat, culminated in him being sent home along with all the other baseball players on March 12th when the pandemic shut down the country and shut down sports. for the next month drew was just sitting there alone in his thoughts alone in some of the same thoughts that people have who are listening to this show uh or friends of people listening to the show or family of people listening to the show and uh drew decided that uh he was going to take his own life. And he held the gun to his head.

He pulled the trigger. And then he opened up his eyes and realized he was still alive. And for the next 20 hours, Pat, as the story tells and as the documentary that's on ESPN Plus now shows, Drew Robinson was deciding whether he wanted to live. And he had a hole in his head. It was about this big. And he was bleeding. And it was a graphic, scary, awful scene.

But he made it to the point where at that 20th hour, he was sitting there on the couch where he had shot himself initially. And in one hand, he had a gun. Jeez. And in the other hand, he had his phone dialed to 911. And he had to ask himself the question, which do I choose? And he chose life. And this is the story of what has happened since Drew Robinson chose life. And this is the story of what has happened since Drew Robinson chose life. Man, I am pumped for Drew Robinson making that decision in the 20th hour. I mean, that is something that I wish upon no human,

but it seems like it does happen too regularly than it should be. And I do believe this story is something where people can say like, you know, I'm not the only one. That seems to be a lot of the thoughts. And I don't know every thought about it, but no, that there's a lot. If I may do this, I know this is your show, but one of the reasons I wanted to come on with you specifically is because Drew's whole purpose here is not just to get people talking to one another and to family members, but really to destigmatize the idea that mental health in sports is something that we shouldn't be talking about. And you, Pat, were an athlete. You are an athlete. You go out there, whether it's in the wrestling ring, whether it's on the football

field, you go out there all the time. And no matter how high you're feeling, no matter how good things are, there have to be moments where it doesn't feel right for you. And where you do talk with people who are, whether it's, you know, inside the locker room, whether it's in a clubhouse, wherever it is, where people hold things inside and hide feelings. And I imagine you have seen that throughout your career as an athlete too. Well, funny you say that actually. And I imagine you have seen that throughout your career as an athlete too. Well, funny you say that actually. I've talked about this one time on air and I've always referenced the 13-9 game,

which is West Virginia Pitt. My junior year, we win, we go to the national championship. We know it. The night before the game, we knew it was going to happen. Pitt, big rival. First quarter, I missed two kicks.

We had to lead at halftime, but we inevitably go on to lose that game. I got death threats, right? This was back in the day when people actually used to write those things. You know, people were going out of their way to let me know. And there was, like, there were some dark, dark days there where I even thought, like, I just made everybody mad. I let down all my friends. I let down all my family. I let down all my family.

My name is being talked about everywhere and it's not being a good thing. I'm a failure. And I thought about potentially ending it, right? Like I actually drove like hours into, I just went on a drive in Jeep lightning hours into like the woods. I thought about just disappear, like literally just never being seen again. So I understand that it happens. And I think now I didn't talk to anybody. My teammates helped me through that whole thing. Obviously, my mom, I told my mom about it. But aside from that, nobody really even knew I had those thoughts in your teammates build you back up your community, your network is supposed to lift you back up. And for a lot of this, whether it's your school, your classroom, your friends, for a lot of this whole

quarantine, people have literally been isolated, right isolated right yep and then when you're isolated and i'm no fucking doctor i think that is very evident i mean that is very evident but i do believe you the community aspect of humans is something that is needed for everybody and for some people it's a much larger hit and effect than others and it's's like, yo, this story with Drew Robinson is a good one. Because this, I mean, if you watch any documentaries, this is becoming something that's becoming pretty prevalent in our society. Yeah, I mean, the CDC took a survey of people from 18 to 24, came out in August and said 25% have had suicidal thoughts within the last couple of months. That's a really scary number.

I want to go back a second, though. You say I'm not a doctor. You may not have a medical degree, Pat, but the fact is, to me, the most influential people in our world right now are the ones who do provide that community. And that's the beauty of this show, that you have a community of people who gravitate toward you and who listen to you and who love you and everyone else sitting in that room right now for who they are and who can all talk to one another. And that's the message that Drew's trying to send here.

He had people around him the entire time. He had his mom. He had his dad, his brother, his sister, this woman, Diana, who he loved. He had his teammates. He had his friends. He had mentors. He had his mom, he had his dad, his brother, his sister, this woman, Diana, who he loved. He had his teammates, he had his friends, he had mentors, he had coaches. He just didn't think he could have these types of conversations with him because he was not willing to make himself vulnerable. But here you are talking about your darkest moment to an audience of thousands, millions of people who are hearing you say this right now. If Drew Robinson can do it, if Pat McAfee can do it, you can do it too.

That's awesome, Jet. And I appreciate the opportunity to add into the incredible, inspiring story that you got to tell of Drew Robinson, which everybody can see on ESPN+. What's next for him? You said he's coming back to baseball? And he lost an eye in this whole thing, right? What is his mindset? How's that whole thing going to work out?

That seems like a tough sport to have one eye, but I would assume a guy who's been here and gotten out of it is somebody who's mentally tough enough to go on and get after it, I'd assume, right? Let me say this about mental toughness though. We're not going to pretend like Drew Robinson is healed all of a sudden, just like got it with anything else. You know, as he says, just because I'm feeling good today doesn't mean that tomorrow is going to be a good day. Every single day is a fight for him.

And he's allowed to have bad days. He's allowed to have days where he just doesn't feel like things are going well. And what he's learned to do is really just embrace those days and understand that if something's going wrong, you can always take something else out of it. He's like, if I show up late to something that used to be where I would kick myself for being late, now I can tell myself I'm learning that I need to start a little bit earlier. And everything with Drew right now is a learning process, including figuring out how to play baseball again

without his right eye. Now he is a left-handed hitter. So you can imagine if he's like this, that's the lead eye right there that he's going to be using. I mean, imagine, Pat pat do me a favor close your right eye and i don't know if someone's got a ball in there but throw it out am i bumping or am i hitting bombs here well we don't want to wreck the studio too much we we know what you

can do with that there we go hey i can punch my contact no i did see you and by the way we just found out i think i am a lefty we just found that out not 100 short but it is it is different with with one eye well i saw you post a video though he's hitting bombs like this is gonna be and i assume you're gonna continue to keep in contact with him and uh shout out to drew by the way for sharing his story like that's really cool i'm excited to see how this entire book goes because this has a chance to be legendary you know what i mean and also i think incredibly inspiring the thing we're we're 24 or so hours out from the story and the movie debuting in my mind it already is, true. I can't tell you the number of people who I've heard from and who say that they have been inspired by what Drew has done. And if it's one day, one day, imagine what he's going to get to do with the rest of his life.

I'm just excited for him that this purpose that he saw all those months ago when we started talking is finally coming to fruition and he's finally getting a chance to do you know he he was laying in the hospital pat the the night that he went there on april 17th and his older brother chad who was a baseball player and uh someone he looked up to forever called him and drew doesn't remember this but chad remembers it clearly he was asking drew questions what happened why did you do this are you okay and all drew could say to him was i'm meant to be alive i'm meant to be alive i'm meant to be alive oh that's awesome and you know what right now is why he's meant to be alive yeah hey definitely legendary incredibly inspiring if drew comes back and starts hitting bombs on everybody i mean that would no i understand that this has been amazing this is an incredible story inspiring a lot of people

he comes back hits bombs or has any success at all. Any success at all. I mean, unbelievable. Can't wait to continue to follow his story. And we can't thank you enough for presenting it. Ladies and gentlemen, from ESPN. Award-winning journalist, I'd assume. Have you won awards?

I've seen you won a couple. Which ones? Any ones that like you? Good ones? Nothing you give a couple. Hey, which ones? Anyone's that like you, like good ones. Nothing. You, nothing. You give a shit.

Okay. Most of those, by the way, are where, except for this hashtag award. I want to over here. Yeah. Jet pass.

That was powerful, huh? Yeah. Awesome story. Absolutely powerful. It's good to talk about every every so often yeah it's nice to be like hey you know not alone let's keep this thing going i mean it's a real this whole isolation thing i think has become now this is just me watching other people who seem to know what they're talking about and i'm not 100 sure if they do or not

i didn't do enough deep dive research into each individual person I saw that said it, which is potentially problematic in the internet era. But it does feel like the people who know stuff about this stuff say like, hey, this isolation is going to have a long-term effect here that we are not completely accounting for at this exact moment. Yeah, sure. I mean, kids who can't go to school anymore, that goes into like the social dilemma and stuff like that. The only interaction you're getting is on the internet. it's a lot easier to get bullied and shit watch

social dilemma wild very very interested to see how if i'm ever lucky enough to have kids with my wife how we handle that situation because after watching that it's going to be pretty difficult to be like yeah yeah you can have a phone you know what i mean there it's just a setup for failure it seems like oh yeah like even the most optimistic people could see how if you're viewing it through the eyes of a sixth or seventh grader or seventh or eighth grader anything like that and in those eras how you would be absolutely devastated about some things that are happening whenever you didn't get invited somewhere back in the day and uh you heard about it the next day it was like a bummer but you were probably in public and you had to keep it moving you know yeah now you're getting

a chance to see you not be invited to something somebody doesn't like your post it's like they're not your friend anymore they unfollow you it's like it's like a public bullying and they they view it and if you look at those young kids it's going to be interesting now that they're isolated completely from each other and only seeing filtered versions of each other and then they miss two years probably now of school at this point yeah that's going to be very fucking interesting to watch how that particular generation goes on and i'll tell you what they don't deserve it i mean they've just been kind of dropped into this whole thing it's going to have to get regulated at some point and that's kind of what the social dilemma is like all about pushing

basically yeah it's like hey this has to get regulated but it is wild the world that we currently live in and i hope everybody knows you're not alone hey we're all a team here let's go ahead and keep moving unless you hate us then go find somebody you like new team yeah because if you hate us we hate you too just go find somebody you like, though, and they will like you as well, hopefully. But yeah, it's a wild... That was a very cool story. Awesome. The video that Jeff showed me, I mean, he is... I was too much in that documentary on ESPN+.

Everybody here has ESPN+. Oh, yeah. Do we? I actually do. I got it for the fight, right? Yeah. I did until it didn't work for the fight. Then I unsubscribed and went back to the illegal streams.

Oh, you took a stand. I took a stand. You said, hey, no worky, me ghani. You know what? I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to change teams from ESPN Plus. I'm going to join the hackers team because they like me over there. I like them. I hate you right now.

You hate me. Exactly. It's mutual. Less thinky, more talent takeover. Eagles, more talent takeover. Joining us, A.J. Hawk. What up, dude? What's up, man?

How you doing? I'm doing well. How are you guys doing? It's great to see you, man. I want to let you know, every time your face pops up on the screen, we feel a little jolt of energy with you. Oh, yeah. All right. Thank you. I feel the same way about you guys i will let you know we talked about something on this show to lead off

the show uh a text message that got hot on reddit then on the internet and we attacked it pretty mightily okay because if it is a real which none of us believe is but if it is a real it's the worst best friend of all time if the lux did not know that that was happening and if it's fake like yeah we have to talk about this because it got relatively large on the internet have a lot of people saying a lot of people not a lot i mean avoid there's been a few people have said not the majority have not but there has been a few people said we shouldn't have even covered this gotta cover this have to do it gotta cover this aj have to for an internet show what would we be if we didn't cover one of the things that was circulating the internet within the last 24 hours at a high rate of speed as an internet show if we didn't talk about this aj well yeah i think

you have to cover it strictly because there's screenshots of these so-called texts like if the guy just says this and doesn't put any kind of screenshots up, then yeah, there's no reason to cover it. But it is really weird. I mean, yeah, the guy sounds like he's nine steps removed from the source. And like you said, worst friend of all time. Like to post the actual text you're going back and forth with and you're 15 steps removed from it.

But man, it's pretty interesting, isn't it? Wouldn't't it sound sounds pretty good if andrew wants to come back that old line to short up keep him upright man and if he if he talks to jimmy with the colts right and he does come back which by the way maybe hey listen those texts real or fake there is a chance maybe andrew comes back right yeah Gronk came back, right? And now Gronk and Luck, two different situations. I don't think we fully understand either of them at this point for the retirement. I mean, injury-based both, obviously, and life-based and everything like that. So maybe he'll come back someday.

I don't think so. But if he was to, that Colts team would be pretty good, AJ. But if he was to, that Colts team would be pretty good, AJ. Don't you think it has to make, like, if he has even, let's say 1% of him is like, man, what would it be like to get back out there? Maybe I want to go and just give it another try. Then you look at that roster and you look at the team, he looks at the offensive line he has,

then I would imagine that would get you thinking more and more, like you could start to picture yourself there back in the facility again once you see how good that team is he always had like perfect form everything he did was like absolutely fundamentally perfectly sound and at an incredible rate he was he was like the guy like for a long time people whenever they talk about this is the prototype of a quarterback if he could have it. He's incredibly intelligent. He can make every throw. He can run. He's humble.

He's smart. He's nice. Like, there's really – this is the quarterback if he can have it. And there was a lot of times where he was playing football where, man, he was just picking himself up off the ground. And I guess because I had a front row seat to it, you know, and whenever you're a punter, obviously obviously you're watching the offense pretty intently you know like you're you're watching the like okay am i gonna have to go or there was a time there for a couple teams i was

on where if they ran a particular play on first down no we're fucking punting all right that place stinks soon as i even see the line i'm like all right this ain't gonna work this has never worked why are we doing that? But, you know, whenever you watch Andrew and you're following along on the sideline because whether or not you've got to go and the whole thing, there was times where I'd be jogging on the field where he was still on the ground or whatever, and I'd be almost out at my spot already, and he's just jogging by me because he's just getting picked up off the ground. And, like, seeing the actual, you know what I mean?

Like, seeing it. And I think I saw, you know what I mean? Like seeing it. And I think I saw it at a pretty close, maybe closer than anybody. I feel like I might have been watching him closer than most. Now, his coaches, obviously. But the quarterback coach, I'd assume, only watches the quarterback. But those shots that he was taking were massive. And then you listen to them mic'd up, and he's like, oh, nice tackle, man. He's just bouncing right up.

It's like, is this dude a superhuman is this guy a superhuman out there and then we realized they did pay a toll physically and i think mentally as well wait not only is he a physical and mental superhuman but the guy has some kind of powers to find a way to stay under the radar and not be seen since he left like i don't know about you but i don't know i have no idea where he's living. I heard he has a family now, but that's it. Like, that's all we know about Andrew Luck. And there's not a whole lot of people that can go from one of the most,

like, recognizable dudes in the NFL to just disappearing because he wants to himself. And by the way, being completely cool with nobody talking about him. Yeah. You know, like, not even just. So rare. Such a rare dude. That's why I want him to come back i

want to see him play yeah he was so good man he was so good some of those shots he would take dude we're just talking full clean boom barry don't say thank you nice hit man and then jog up to the line and like just do it again and everybody's like he's got to learn to slide or whatever i feel and this is not a conversation i had with him but i have heard him have to address that before both the press and everybody else about changing and curtailing the way i think he felt when he was playing that that would be disrespecting the game like the way he views playing the game you know like he he i feel like he legitimately thought he was going to make the most out of every single play that there was hey they're going to call it i'm going to run it and he was going to make the most out of every single play that there was.

Hey, they're going to call it. I'm going to run it, and it's going to get executed as most as it can. And he took some massive shots because he played like that. Joey Burrow, right, there's another guy. It feels like he's taken a lot of massive shots, whether it's because he's extending plays or not. There's a lot of thought about that as well. I wonder if Andrew, if he was to come back. We're not

saying that these text messages are anywhere near real or anything like that but if he was to come back i wonder if he's gotten to a point where he's like okay i understand where i can kind of pick and choose what i could do here aaron is so good at that i think aaron is very good at the picking and choosing but if you're a player that's like i'm going for it all the time that's probably tough to turn off, I'd assume. Yeah, you would think. But, I mean, also, like, don't you think as you mature and you get older and it is tougher and tougher to take those hits,

don't you think you would naturally just start to change a little bit the way he plays? I guess you would hope. I don't think he did, though. It didn't seem like he was slowing down ever either. No, I'm saying on the comeback, his comeback. Oh, yeah, yeah. Then he's going to be like, you know what, I've got to he did, though. It didn't seem like he was slowing down ever either. I'm saying on the comeback, his comeback. Oh, yeah, yeah. Then he's going to be like, you know what?

I've got to think about my kids. I want to be able to throw the ball with my kids someday. I've just got to figure this thing out. So maybe I just won't lower my shoulder when I'm going out of bounds to take on a 295-pound outside back. Yeah, maybe I'll just, you know, I gained 12, only needed 10. Who cares about the 13th or 14th yard, really? Let's just go ahead and get out of here.

Hey, job well done. Mission accomplished. Mission accomplished. Way to go. Or, you know, we'll just punt the ball. No big deal. Just go ahead and throw that thing away. We'll just punt it.

Or we'll just live to see another down. You know what I mean? But that's tough for some people. Like, for instance, you get me in that thing away, we'll just punt it or we'll just live to see another down. You know what I mean? But that's tough for some people. Like, for instance, you get me in that Oculus Arena, it's hard for me not to just go sternum, jaw every time. Even when I know it's not right for me. By the way, had a massive knockout last night, AJ. Yeah.

In the outclass division, Edward Price, the hardest fighter, hardest division, knockout in the fourth round. Had to change my style of play. I actually lost the first round. I hung back. I took some shots more. Moved the head a little bit. In total, though, I threw 617 punches in four rounds, AJ.

I'm coming back. You been in there yet? No, not really. Wow. I'm coming back. You been in there yet? No, not really. Not since I got the Oculus. My kids actually get on the boxing team. I told you, my son said he's 7-3. My daughter, I don't think her record is nearly as good. But did you, were you, was that part of your strategy?

Was it the old rope-a-dope? You're trying to tire your simulated computer guy out? I just wanted to throw jabs at the guy's face the entire time. All right? So I just sat with the right, protecting my jaw, and I just threw jabs at the guy's face the entire time. All right? And then I got bored, obviously, 10, 15 seconds of doing that,

and then I would decide to throw a big, heavy one, and then he would automatically hit me back. I'm like, fuck, all right, got to go back to this. Then I would get tired, and I'm like, all right, I'm going for it. I'd go for a big one to the body and then big one or whatever, and as soon as I would get to the body, big one's coming over, and I actually went to sleep two times. I'm like, oh, my God, can't do it.

Got to be disciplined. So then I just started jabbing him for the entire round basically, just doing this. And I ended up knocking him out in the fourth round. It was a nice shot right to the jaw and i i've completely conquered that game i've knocked out every single fighter they've had in every single division makes me feel pretty good about it and i would like to challenge through the fight to uh fucking make it a little bit better huh what are we gonna do now step it up what are we gonna, huh? What are we going to do now? Step it up. What are we going to do now, AJ?

What are we going to do? I mean, all they can do is find a way to let us box each other. I have heard that an update is coming, man. Suri did some research on this as soon as he got in the Oculus. Did a little deep dive after getting involved with Thrill of the Fight. Thrill of the Fight 2 in development.

Release date TBD. Multiplayer fighting. See? That's what we need. Creed has the multiplayer fighting, but they have terrible physics, I believe is what it's called in the virtual reality world.

They call it the physics, I think. Is that what physics is, by the way? What is physics? Physics is a science. It is. Which one, though? Science of movement. Yeah.

Really? Oh, yeah. Physical. Uh-huh. That's right. Object in motion. Plus a why in it so they talk about yeah there is a why right there in the middle by the way right there the uh but the physics on the creed one not good no knowledge of nature excuse me everyone clears it up yeah

it's very uh vague periodic table in physics. It's actually chemistry. And chemistry. And chemistry. I think we're figuring out we don't know what physics is. That's what I think so as well. That's how they describe, by the way, the virtual reality like realness. Oh, there's more actually. For instance, the physics on the ping pong game, really good. It feels as if you're actually doing it.

The people that rate shit, I think they say physics is good. If I was to say thrill of the fight, I'd say physics is good. It feels like you're actually punching. Graphics, if you're comparing to like Xbox, it's going to be a little bit of a downfall in your eyes, but pretty realistic when you're punching it. Creed, I got in there

because I wanted to do multiplayer fighting. That one was tough. You couldn't really, I mean, it was really a little bit difficult, but I assume they're going to have an update coming. But it's nice to know that Throw the Fight's going to have multiplayer. I wonder how they'll keep it real. You know, because I'm just going in there

and I'm not even thinking about you punching. I'm throwing. Am I going to be able to toughen my guy up? Like, you know what I mean? Am I allowed to, you know, beat my guy with kendo sticks to toughen him up in there? Am I allowed to Mickey him or whatever kendo sticks to toughen him up? Am I allowed to Mickey him or whatever for Rocky? It'll probably just be like a health bar and like a stamina bar, right?

So I don't know. I wonder if you'll be able to just swing a barrage of punches. Hey, you better hope that happens. That's going to change my style. Because right now, if there is no actual downfall of swinging at every single second, that's my go-to. And if they take that away from me, everybody might have a chance of beating my ass. And Green's got to dish the treadmill and all that horse shit. Yeah, the walking is. We're here to fight, man.

Just put us in the ring. Well, you got to tell a story. Yeah. Well, they can have a health bar all you want to say, hey, your brain's not going gonna be able to handle all these shots so they but stamina is up to you you're the one throwing the punches so you can throw 670 punches all you want i'm gonna sit there and absorb them get you tired yeah but how many body isn't body supposed to hurt that yeah i mean i i when i did it i was going after the body that's what i'm saying though so i would assume that is like how do they account for that you know well they could they could, like, the more body shots you take,

you know, they would just add it to the total. That would put you down. That would knock you down. Oh, for the whole physical thing. So that would just be one big bar as opposed to two different bars. I still think you should wear the suit and you could feel the hits. Oh, like a pregnancy belt. Yeah, and then every time you get hit, it actually gives you a little buzz.

Yeah, that's probably smart. Probably wouldn't play either. I know I wouldn't. Yeah, because that's why you're playing it, so you don't have to feel little buzz. Yeah, it's probably smart. Probably wouldn't play either. I know I wouldn't. Yeah, because that's why you're playing it, so you don't have to feel the real. Yeah, you're right. You're in the game. It's in the game. Shout out to NCAA 2K coming back.

Let's go. College Football 1. Talk to me. You went past it, but Zito started to say there's more to physics with a Y. Oh, you thought we got a full, clear definition of what physics is? No, there actually was. That was just the Greek meaning. I didn't get that far.

I think it's the study of the physical world. Yeah, it's the natural science and studied matter. It's motion and behavior through space and time. So it is the physics. So in the game, it is the physics. You guys are all correct. I believe so are you. No, not me.

I spelled it wrong. Yeah, yeah. There's a why. There is a why. Let's go to Mike in L.A. What's going on, Mike? What's going on, boys? Thank you for having me on.

Hey. Hey, no problem, man. Thanks for joining us. What do you want to talk about? Well, first of all, happy belated. It's my man Nick out there. Happy bel do believe we are at the point where we're past that but i do appreciate a good shout out to nick have birthday jay he doesn't get enough happy birthday nick happy birthday jay um i don't really have a question i just want to point out that the Colts are in possession of probably the best rookie safety in Julian Blackman.

You guys, being a Colts show, essentially, you've got to give my man some credit. Can we get Julian Blackman on the show? Okay, he was the one who made that massive play against the Packers in overtime that you talked about, saying that you never, you didn't, I forget how you described it, but you said it basically was an incredible football play.

He made a bunch of those. He was up for defensive rookie of the year this year, I do believe. And with that being said, you know, if we got to move, I'm joking. I don't want to trade the guy. I would like him to be a state football team. But he is very, very good. That guy was very, very good, as you pointed out. With those young guys, there's been some real studs that have come in the league

and dominated. Yeah, to step in from day one, I mean, look at Antoine Winfield Jr. Tampa Bay. That guy had a hell of a year. Is he back for the Super Bowl? He is healthy. He's good to go. He will play in the Super Bowl, which is massive for that Tampa defense.

He's a game changer. He was in Minnesota, too. Hey. Uh-huh. That's right. When they were rowing that boat down there. Oh, yeah. And that boat was moving, not sinking. True. He was a Minnesota, too. Hey. Oh, that's right. When they were rowing that boat down there. Oh, yeah. And that boat was moving, not sinking.

True. He was a big part of it. Huge. Before the snake oil ran out. It was. Gumpy. Come on. So negative.

Is that the first thing Gumpy said this hour? Yeah. Jesus, Gumpy. We're only 17 minutes in. True. Now he's in. True. Very true.

But I will say, you decide to come in in 17 minutes first time, just burying a guy. Yeah. Don't hate it. He deserves it. Did P.J. Flett get any head coaching interviews in the NFL? I know he was up. He was rumored.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think so, right? I haven't heard any. Tom Telesco told us they interviewed everybody, right? Didn't know kind of what they said, but I don't think his name ever came up or whatever. He got a massive extension, I thought, with the Gophers. Yeah, he's just biding his time until he can get to the next place.

What? That's what a snake oil salesman does. Wow. What? You go to your first spot. Okay, let's row the boat. Let's feed people this bullshit. And then when it starts to wear off, okay, boom, we're out of town.

Bigger job. Bigger job. You do it again. You do it again. You do it again. Boom, we're heading to Arkansas or Tennessee or something like that. Let's get to wear off. Okay, boom. We're out of town. Bigger job. Bigger job. You do it again. You do it again. You do it again. Boom. We're heading to Arkansas or Tennessee or something like that. Let's get to the SEC.

And then we'll talk about the NFL. I don't know. Sometimes a snake salesman can make something really good like Coca-Cola. No, I will say, just like what you just said there about Coca-Cola, I didn't hear necessarily exactly how you tied that together. He was a snake salesman originally. Okay. Well, see well that's

see that's a great zeta created something very good okay thanks see very much so that was a snake oil salesman who found his way into making something awesome and then made a lot of money but i will say a lot of money it was a great product too it's still going i think they have water now at this point too so they're doing pretty good but i will say you you have to give him credit he wins though they do get wins oh yeah oh yeah they do get when they were in what top 10 or whatever they're what if they come back next year and they're dominant again will that change your mind about him uh no it won't the guy fucking drinks snake oil you know three times dead they hate iowa too right well for no reason i'm not paying minnesota any mind. You know, they all hate Iowa.

Hey, that was awesome. You remember that? Whenever we were out there for a college game day, and every one of those game days I'd go around and I'm like, hey, what's something that if I say something, you guys will say something back? And they'll go like, eh, ah, eh. And they all start doing it.

And I'm like, okay. And then I'll be like, yeah, but what's something you know? Like, what's something? And they go, just ask who hates Iowa. Just ask that question. I'm like, okay. And then I would be like, yeah, but what's something you know? Like, what's something? And they go, just ask who hates Iowa. Just ask that question. I'm like, all right, that's awesome. And I hadn't heard that yet. So I was like, I was pretty excited about that.

And lo and behold, whenever I asked out there, I mean, that place answered. I mean, that was the loudest, we hate Iowa. I have ever heard in my entire life. And I had no idea it was like that in Minnesota. They seem like such a nice group of people over there. Well, yeah, it's because we've had the Floyd Rosedale damn near the whole time the trophy's been available. That's why I don't like Ice the Big.

A big pig that Iowa and Minnesota plays for. Fucking Floyd Rosedale. Iowa always wins. Been in there with Kirk and the boys. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, this year, Iowa beat Minnesota at home, and Kirk called like three timeouts when they were up like 35-0 with like three minutes left in the fourth quarter.

Kind of rubbed it in a little bit. That's awesome. So there's a real – There's a little bit of history there. Let's all remember that whenever Ty's giving his entire description of the situation. Sure, yeah. Fair.

Fair. That's fair. Ty, if you were, like, I'd say you were the GM of an NFL team, who was the coach that you, like, who was your ideal coach that you want there? Jim Harbaugh? Fucking Lombardi. Michael Lombardi? Vince Lombardi. Michael can be the GM.

Run the wing T. His son, Vince Lombardi's son just got a gig. Is he a coordinator now in the league? He's with the Lions for a while, wasn't he? He's been a few places, but I don't know if he's a position coach or coordinator or whatever, but he got a promotion. Vince Lombardi's son is a coach in the NFL right now? Grandson slinging it for Michigan State.

Cannot wait for that guy to get a head coaching gig and to hear us react to it. Yeah. Okay? I cannot wait for that moment, whenever that thing pops up. Oh, the Chargers. He's the offensive coordinator for the Chargers. Of course. Here we go.

Of course. Super Bowl. Lombardi with Herbert hunting Lombardi. He was the Saints quarterback coach the last four years, five years. Oh, that's awesome. Let's go to James. He was the Saints quarterback coach the last four years, five years. Oh, that's awesome. He was the Saints quarterback coach? Which people were calling what? Harvard of quarterback coach.

Whenever James Winston went there, he was like, yeah, this is the Harvard of quarterbacking down here. Well, yeah, it's actually the name of the fucking trophy. The direct descendant of the trophy of the entire sport. Bloodline.

Hey, can't thank you enough for listening. A lot of other options out there, especially on this week. A lot of people talking. A lot of people talking. People be talking. Talking about people. That's kind of the biz. I feel like i did hit a note there and i will listen back and i'll have somebody who knows this type of thing tell me what note that is

or key and i will stay within that for the rest of my life and i found my singing key i think boom done can't believe i did that right there and that's what super bowl week will do for you yeah it'll really bring it all together a lot of people talking about people people talking about people things happening we cannot wait to do it again tomorrow big show tomorrow huge show tomorrow well well it's a big show tomorrow tomorrow is what ty was referring to right there. Yes. We do not have... The Big Show! On. Nor the Big Ticket.

Oh, that'd be awesome. It would be awesome. Nor the Big Bambino. No. Great Bambino. You get it. Nor Big Baby. Nor Big Baby.

Nor Big Boy. Nor Big Baby. Nor Big Boy. Friend of the show. He let me sit in his chair down in Atlanta Hawks. Wish I would have met Daddy Carlos. So close. We're probably in the same little area as Daddy Carlos. Did not meet him. I am bummed.

Anyways, it's a big show, though. Be a friend, tell a friend. Play some independent music, will you? Ty, I appreciate you for that. And we'll be back with you on a big thursday see you then Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye.