The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 363 - JJ Watt Is Signing With The Cardinals, Kyle Juszczyk, Cam Jordan, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 1, 2021

On today's show,  Pat and boys react to the breaking news that JJ Watt is officially signing with the Arizona Cardinals, how everything else we heard was apparently BS, the Ravens and Lamar Jackson being far apart on the contract, and all the other drama in the NFL. Joining the show is a man who has made 5 straight Pro Bowls, one of the most dynamic players in the NFL and now free agent, FB Kyle Juszczyk joins the program to chat about free agency, what's most important to him at this point, where he's leaning, his car being broken, and his pitch to NFL teams (13:50-30:19). Next, 6x Pro Bowler, 3x All-Pro, member of the 2010's All-Decade Team, current Saints Defensive End, Cam Jordan joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about the season that was, what he thinks is going to happen at QB, whether it seemed like it was Drew Brees' last season, his offseason plans, and much more (31:51-42:46). Later, 9 Year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, co-host of the Man to Man Podcast, Everything DB, Darius Butler joins the program to run through all the big stories in the NFL today, including the DeShaun Watson and Russell Wilson drama, Lamar in Baltimore, and everything else moving the needle (46:14-1:04:46). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello monday march 1st rabbit rabbit haha hey i think we have a pretty good show for you today i hope you think so if not just act like it never happened if you like it please be a friend tell a friend ty's back what up ty how's it going how was your week bub it was good it was good anytime you're gone for a week though it ends up feeling like a month when you come back you feel like you just missed so much so it's good to be back yeah but not really you didn't really miss anything you know yeah in the grand scheme of things, I guess not. But, hey, today, you can't miss this conversation. Can't miss today's conversation.

Can't do it. All right, let's get to it. J.J. Watt has answered. A lot of talk this morning about his Peloton account. The Peloton account is fake. J.J. Watt has now tweeted a tweet which is a picture of him standing in his squat rack, which appears to be a power lift. Is he saying he's going to Green Bay?

You immediately think, because Aaron Rodgers is squatting. But no, no. He's wearing a shirt that says Arizona Cardinals on it, and he says, source, me. Is J.J. Watt going to the desert? Is J.J. Watt going to Arizona to play for the Cardinals? Diggs is nodding his head yes. J.J. Watt go into the desert? Is J.J. Watt going to Arizona to play for the Cardinals? Diggs is nodding his

head yes. J.J. Watt is going to the Arizona Cardinals? It's official. Cardinals are giving J.J. Watt a two-year deal worth $31 million with $23 million guaranteed. Let's go J.J. Watt! Congrats, J.J. A $31 million

deal at this point. You look at that Arizona Cardinals team, you think to yourself, last year they got better off of what they were the year before. Cliff Kingsbury, Kyler Murray, are they going to continue to grow and grow and grow on that offensive side of the ball?

The Arizona Cardinals are giving J.J. Watt a two-year deal with $31 million and $23 million guaranteed. Source said about the deal that just happened. If you're the Arizona Cardinals, this is what you you're thinking the defensive side of the ball was our problem on the offensive side now kyler did have moments where he wasn't electric okay there's a couple games where he traveled to carolina i believe uh new york they got it back there were some other places i rode with the arizona card of miami lost that i rode with the arizona cardinals this year strictly because the way they looked at the beginning of the year

was the way that you thought a team that was going to come out of nowhere and surprise a lot of people. At the end of his rookie season, the year prior to this past season, at the end of the season, he was starting to give people trouble. There was really good teams that were starting to struggle whenever they were facing Kyler Murray. Then this year, early, they start winning. They start playing football well. Kyler's being electrifying, and as you watch the games go along, all you thought to yourself was, if the defense could get a stop,

if the defense could get a stop, Kyler might be able to do his thing. You bring in J.J., you bring in some more leadership into that building. Now the Arizona Cardinals have Kyler Murray going into his third year where hopefully he'll be even better than he's ever been Cliff Kingsbury brand new head coaches a couple years ago going into his third year hopefully he'll be better than ever now you got to think to yourself with Buda Baker on the back end hopefully JJ Chandler Jones will be able to get pressure off the edges we'll be a complete team here good for the Arizona Cardinals good for JJ Watt getting 31

fucking million. Good for him. Just reinforces that everything's bullshit. Like, everything you hear. Like, Arizona wasn't even anywhere near anyone's like, oh, yeah, J.J. might want to be going here. Shit, good for him. 23 mil guaranteed.

The only thing we heard about Arizona was when Nuke put out a tweet immediately upon J.J. Watt becoming a free agent and said something like, let's finish what we started or let's run it back or something like that. Now that J.J. is going to Arizona, you have to believe that everything is bullshit. I mean, everything. Everything. I woke up this morning, I mean, granted.

Green Bay, there was a chance. Yeah, it's a done deal. Packers are probably going to give J.J. like two years 10 mil. He's going to take a nice little haircut. Apparently not. Good for him. Good for fucking J.J. Get paid again. His people, by the way, his people

did not leak any information. What he texted us during the show was 100% true. We're not talking to anybody. The Arizona Cardinals must talk to somebody because that's where that number came from. $15-16 million a year. Diana Rossini, incredible connections with the Arizona Cardinals. Just remember that.

Just remember that. Unless there was another team that had $15-16 million offer, which maybe there was. At this point, we will never know. But the Cardinals and J.J. Watt. Good for J.J. Good for the Arizona Cardinals. Imagine if that team becomes scary over there. They got Matthew Stafford just moved into the division, though.

See if that's going to change. Team three's not going to be happy about another pass rusher. Oh, team three's going to be pissed. They may get clowny down there, too, back with J.J. Yeah, it's whenever he was playing his best football. Yeah, get the band back together. Yeah, why not? Let's get the band back together.

Maybe Isaiah Simmons starts playing football. He played better. They started playing him more in the second half. They weren't playing him as much. Remember Isaiah Simmons out of Clemson. Everybody was just like, this guy is corner, defensive end, safety, linebacker. He's just a football player. I don't think Arizona fully understood

or maybe he didn't fully understand NFL offenses or defenses yet. Towards the end of the year, he was playing a lot more and making a lot of plays. Plus with Buda Baker, Chandler Jones, Isaiah Simmons, J.J. Watt on that defensive side. You can figure out those other pieces.

And then on the offensive side, Fitzgerald's going to play, what, until he's 90? Nuke's going to play. Kyler's going to get better. Okay, maybe Arizona's 90? Yep. Newt's going to play. Kyler's going to get better. Okay, maybe Arizona's eight. Eight-bar game. Yeah. A little Red Sea out there. Red Sea.

Good for JJ. Good for Arizona. Good for us to have something to talk about. Now we're learning about the information of the contract. $31 million, $23 million guaranteed. He becomes the 28th highest average paid defensive player in the NFL with that price. Nobody could have expected this. The Arizona Cardinals were not a part of the conversation at all. All the speculation was around Buffalo, in Green Bay, in Pittsburgh,

in potentially Tampa. It felt like there was smoke over in all those cities. The Arizona Cardinals were only mentioned at the very beginning when DeAndre Hopkins put up a photo of J.J. and he's saying, let's run it back or finish what we started or something like that. And then that got thrown away to the side. Now we know the big fish in the J.J. Watt market is over there in Phoenix, Arizona. J.J. Watt joins a team that has a young quarterback and a young head coach who have only got better since they got into the NFL. They were a team that was potentially electrifying last season,

but everybody that watched the game thought if the defense could get a little bit better, Kyler could get a little bit more consistent, that offense could seem to find a little bit better of a groove, that team could really go. Now, the NFC is going to be difficult. The NFL is difficult. But if J.J. Watt becomes a great leader for that team, a little bit of an energy boost, and a playmaker for them like he has shown to be in the past,

maybe the Arizona Cardinals make a play in this whole thing. Maybe the Arizona Cardinals go. But you have to think to yourself, if he goes to Green Bay, does that immediately help? Yes, everybody thinks the case. If he to Green Bay, does that immediately help? Yes, everybody thinks the case. If he goes to Buffalo, does that immediately help them? If he goes to Pittsburgh with his brothers, does that immediately help them? Nobody thought Arizona. And once you start thinking about it, if you're Arizona, it's like, yeah, this is the right play for us.

Now we'll have to see how it all pans out. Somebody was saying during the break here, we had some vitamins, obviously, came back in here, thought about the whole J.J.j arizona we're all very dumbfounded because the immediate thought was jj's going to a place where he wants to win right now and maybe this is a place by the way that jj thinks he can win right now especially after seeing buda baker isaiah simmons chandler jones and then kyle the way he's been able to play and he's like yeah this is a place we can win right now we got it in there and it seems like an environment where i'm going to enjoy it as opposed to having to fight the previous coach because holy man comes in it burns the whole fucking place down so maybe jj thought that

but that was on nobody's minds him getting paid that much that was on nobody's really minds because what we all thought was he's going to go to an immediate ring contender kansas city maybe somehow take a very low ball contract and do his thing. Seems like he found a happy medium here. A lot of money and a team that could potentially go. Very interesting, to say the least. Yeah, they're certainly not a doormat. But like you said, I mean, it's clear that obviously he still wanted to get paid.

I don't know. I mean, I don't know if winning was the most important thing, because like you said, if that was the case, you feel like he would go to like Green Bay or Buffalo or something like that. But what if he thinks that that team is potentially like that? Now, that would be tough. Tough division. Did we watch enough of the Arizona Cardinals? I did.

Okay. I did. I watched a lot of Arizona Cardinals. I lost $70,000 one weekend because of the Arizona Cardinals. Now, that was a parlay. I didn't bet $70,000 one weekend because of the Arizona Cardinals. Now, that was a parlay. I didn't bet $70,000. Take it easy. I do plan one day, though, if I find a flake of success,

to actually gamble like that, though, on things that I think are locks, which are and were the Arizona Cardinals this past season. Because when Kyler came out, the first week he hit a little whoop. He hit a whoop. And right by the way, Good squeaks, huh? Yeah. Hey, good squeaks. Oh!

I can film one of those. Oh, the Nike commercial? Yeah, with the ball bouncing over my head. Yeah. The whole thing. Anyways, that team could be a team. Now, when you're talking about teams, though, you have to think, is that a team that can go on a Super Bowl run?

And although they have not come anywhere near proving they are, J.J. obviously feels that he'll be able to potentially do that. And he also gets paid. I mean, good for him. Two more years from now, he might still be able to play, by the way. Then he goes on what everybody thought was maybe a little cheaper ring run at the end if they can't figure it out in the desert. This is wild time.

Pittsburgh Steelers fans thought he was going to be a wah. The three wats were going to be in yeah oh he hates his brothers what's that he hates his brothers all right that's all i get from this or he just didn't want to play for a million bucks or or how about this arizona told him they said hey you come on down guess what we got too i saw a little ass slap we We wasted a year for you. We wasted one of your years. I watched it on Mic'd Up, right?

JJ's like, what are you talking about? He's like, the ass slap. I'm sorry. You remember you did it on Mic'd Up, and JJ's like, what, Deshaun? He's like, bingo. We've been thinking, okay, we got Kyler. We got some number ones. Let's go ahead and then we get.

So then it'll be Nuke, Deshaun, JJ. You guys are all super tight. All right? We got some number ones. Let's go ahead and then we get. Well packaged. So then it'll be Nuke, Deshaun, JJ. You guys are all super tight. Now we got Chandler, Buda, Isaiah. That's what we're thinking about doing. And Arizona, by the way, great city. You're going to love it. You're going to love it out here. JJ, I know you and Houston, great relationship.

But Jack used to be moved. He ain't got that here. Actually, what we got is maybe Houston Texans good players reunion. If you guys can go get andre johnson maybe on retirement we'll have him run some goes next to larry as well that would be wild if that was to happen will fuller's a free agent i mean the cardinals aren't afraid to trade their first round quarterback draft picks hey that's a good point what if the arizona cardinals end up in the deshaun watson conversation and they are somehow the team that gets cal mcdowell

and easterby to answer the phone. Teams are leaving voicemails now. I don't know if you heard this. Teams are leaving voicemails because they ain't answering. You call a friend, they don't answer, goes to the voicemail, leave a voicemail that's like, you know, fucks with them a little bit or sends the exact message that you need, or you just text the person. But let's act as if they're an old white

that does not text. You have to call a business phone or whatever. You're definitely leaving a voicemail, right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely leaving a voicemail. For sure. I wonder if anybody's talking to Easterby directly. Hey, what's going on?

This is insert name of GM from team here. Easterby, I listened to your sermon from, what was it? I think it was in... Easter weekend 2012. You said something along the lines of like, persistence is just like a drug that cannot be stopped, okay? And that is what this is right now, Mr. Eastby.

I'm very persistent. We would like to have a conversation with you. What if they're playing as if it's like, all right, how do we get the voicemail to get through? Because when you're tweeting or posting something, you're just trying to get somebody to stop. When they're probably getting, what, 15, 20 voicemails a day, you've got to get them to actually listen

to that thing. I think some of them should think about going to the Lord man as opposed to Cal McNair. If you're a GM listening, I feel like we've done a little bit more research on this than you. If we're trying to get through the voicemails and break through the other voicemails to get Deshaun Watson to potentially be on our team, try to attack the Easter Bee fellow

if it hasn't worked yet. Yep, you said it perfectly. He only listens to one man, and that is our Lord and Savior. So if you're another GM, you go to church on Sundays, you prepare, you prayer, you send that message through our Lord and Savior to Easter Bee. Okay, so you're saying tell the Lord to tell Easter Bee. Yeah. Well, then you're just waiting on the lord to talk to easterby which happens pretty

much a couple times a day yeah but i don't know if the lord's talking about the sean watson's moves i think it's about a new set you know for sunday to fucking really hit him with it i hadn't thought about that but that probably is the way to do it. You butter him up. You tell him, like, hey, I've been watching your homilies from 2017. You've got the juice, Jack. The crip walk-on? Oh, and talking to the Lord? Butter him up a little bit. Get him talking.

And then, hey, what can we do about this show? We've got a guy who drafted top five in the MLB as well. Kyler, you're going to love a guy. He's from Texas. Hey. Hey. Is Kyler from Houston? Let me look.

There's no way Easterby's not on the sidelines this year, right? Nick, I was just told he's from Dallas. He's not from Houston. What? Bedford, wherever. What? We're not doing it. We pushed.

This JJ Watt news has shaken a lot of things here. Yeah. This changes a lot we have something to talk about which is great news we have a guest joining us here in a little bit kyle you check the juice uh who is a fullback uh formerly of the niners you you know and love him whenever now he's going into free agency does this change change things, Kyle? Oh, true. Hey, Kyle, listen, you're going to go to whoever pays you the most money. I very much understand that. But is there a thought of picking and choosing where to go? And what do you look for whenever you're trying to find what team to go to?

What could JJ, who is literally in the market right now at the same time as Kyle Juszczyk, different positions, but what is it like out there? Are you hearing anything? Are you guys, you can't even talk to him yet? Does he have ideas? Are they doing strategy? Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who is an absolute stud. He's been to five straight Pro Bowls.

Holy shit. Five of them. Probably going to go for the next however many. Formerly of the Niners, fullback Kyle Juszczyk. What's up, Juice? Hey, what's going on, guys? How you doing? What's going on?

Shout out to you. Shout out to the boys for having me on today. Hey, shout out you. Shout out you, dude. Hey, big shout out there. Big shout out to the show. Shout out your Pro Bowl pullover, by the way. Shout out.

Hey, that's earned, not bought there. That's earned, not bought. There's only a couple things there. Hey, you pointed out, man. You you said i'm not counting over here but if you're gonna put out there to the universe let them know yeah a lot of gm's that hopefully are watching today okay let's talk about those gms kyle uh have you been a free agent before yes yeah i was a free agent after my four years in baltimore okay so whenever you hit free agency are you picking and choosing obviously knowing that at your particular position there's only a

few offenses that utilize it or are you guys pitching hey tight end whatever you need h back that whole is it just our teams approaching you as both how does that whole thing go yeah honestly it's a little bit of both um like you said like right now there's not as many teams that use a fullback as much as San Francisco does. I mean, there's actually no teams that use them as much as San Francisco has. We've been top in the league the past four years. But there's a little bit another side to that argument is that before I was in San Francisco, they weren't really using one either. But I show up and that number goes up.

So, yes, we're looking at teams that already are using a fullback. But I like to, you know, give myself a pat on the back and say, you know, these teams that don't have a fullback yet, they just haven't had me on their roster. So that could change a few things. I like that, Juice. Okay, J.J. Watt just signed with the Arizona Cardinals. That was not expected at all.

I don't want you to have to talk about J.J. Watt because you're about to be a free agent as well. But whenever you're looking at teams, if there's multiple teams interested like there was for J.J. Watt, nobody expected the Arizona Cardinals. What are some things you're looking at? Is it strictly in your situation? J.J. was made over $ hundred million at this point. So I think it's much different situations, obviously, but for you is money, the only determinant, or is it a balance of obviously good situation? Or is there a thought that, Hey, the big money's probably going

to come from a place that maybe I can help turn around. How does that all get balanced into the decision-making process? Yeah, honestly, there really is so much that goes into it. And money, without a doubt, is one of the biggest things. I'm not going to be the guy that sits here and tells you that, no, money doesn't matter. Because I mean, this is life, man. It's a business. Money is probably the number one factor, but it's not the only factor. There's a lot. Things like, you know, can this team win a Super Bowl? Where is the team located? You know, it's tough being away from family. So, you know, it's always nice to find a team that's competitive, wants to pay you the most, close to family, is headed in the right direction. I think you guys have made jokes like, yeah,

every free agent's looking to get paid the most, be on a team with a quarterback who can win a Super Bowl, and is, you know, close to your family. So all those things kind of weigh into it. But kind of rounding back, like it's not always about money. And my first go around in free agency, I actually didn't go with the highest bidder. San Francisco wasn't the highest bidder. But the team that outbid them I didn't think was headed in the right direction. I didn't think that they were going to win the round. I don't want to say it now. I might have said don't want to i don't want to say it now i might have said it before but i don't want to say it now but

uh i didn't think that team was headed in a position that you know three years from now they want to keep uh the highest paid fullback on their roster you know you want to be somewhere uh that has some continuity continuity and is going in the right direction is going to want to keep you around um and be successful a lot of talk about jimmy g man jimmy g is maybe are you all right by the way you run out of gas i don't want that thing to blow up i'm hearing i got a stupid thing going on with my truck it keeps telling me i have a trailer connected trailer disconnected you gotta get in that sensor i know that sensor will get you. Have you had the gas tank gimmick? Have you had the gas tank gimmick sensor fuck you up over?

I ran out of gas on the side of a highway. I ran out of gas on the side of a highway, said I had three-quarters of a tank. Nothing. Fucking just in the middle of the road. Yeah, gimmick sensor. Not ideal. No, not ideal at all. Speaking of not ideal, you're Jimmy G.

Let's say you're Jimmy G. Jimmy G Oh man that trailer is tight Can you still hear me Well just disconnect the trailer So whenever Every off season it sounds like Jimmy G's job Is potentially a question mark Tom Brady I guess it has come out So whenever every offseason, it sounds like Jimmy G's job is potentially a question mark, right? I mean, Tom Brady was I guess it has come out now. It's alleged that they reach out to Teddy Bridgewater from knowing Jimmy G and seeing him work behind the scenes.

Does any of that get to him that there's all these rumors potentially about him being out the door? Because it would be not. This is the same thing we're about to experience with Carson Wentz here in Indy. It's like Carson was basically almost being pushed out the door. That's something that can kind of fuck with you a little bit with Jimmy G. Do you think that affected him at all? Or do you think he was able to just kind of blind it out? You know what, I think it would be naive to say that he doesn't hear any of it. But the guy really doesn't hear a lot of it. I know he's not super active on social media. I mean, you'll see the guy post like once a month on his Instagram,

and it's usually some sort of ad for some high-end car dealership or something. I don't think he has a Twitter account, and if he does, he's not very active on it. And I know he keeps things really close in-house. Like the guy hangs out with his brothers mostly, spends a lot of time with his family, just kind of has a tight-knit group of guys. And so he's not really putting himself out there and letting himself listen to that kind of stuff because I think he knows how toxic it can be and what it can lead to I mean you've seen in other situations when guys just get hammered down reading you know negative things about themselves

so I think he does a good job of kind of blocking that stuff out that would be impossible wouldn't it i mean it would be impossible in this world right now being a quarterback and just somehow remaining relatable to your teammates and to the fans somehow while being completely disconnected so that you don't just get ruined by what everybody else is that'd be a interesting balance kyle it's tough um i just go with the old anybody who tweets or comments anything negative on my account, they get blocked. So at this point, I only get positive things because anybody who said anything negative is on my feed.

It's a block party. It's a juice block party. I like that. You can get it. You can get it. You can get it. Now, there would be a much deeper conversation to be had about you potentially eliminating anything that is contrary to your beliefs and living in your own little bubble and that being a problem with all of society but with that being said all of society doesn't have to

deal with people just attacking them for uh potentially not getting an extra yard or two so i'm on your side there and by the way the mute button kyle the mute button is the way to go the mute button what do you got side kyle the way to go. The mute button. What do you got, Ty? Kyle, you've obviously revolutionized the position, and you're catching a lot more balls, but is it a prerequisite going into every year? Like, are you going to have to just start smashing your head against a brick wall to get ready for the collisions in the league,

and when will you start that again? Oh, man. I really – I try to go, like, the complete opposite direction of the whole fullback smashing his head into the wall sort of thing. There is definitely a time and place, and it is part of the job. It's something I'm going to have to do every year. But honestly, I wait until I have to do that. I'm not smashing my head on anything until at least September.

Right now, I try to focus on all those other aspects of the game, catching balls, being able to move in space, reaction, all those kind of things. I wait until I really have to strap it on to go hit my head on anything. That's smart. Save your CTE count just a little bit. Save it for when you're getting paid to do it. Chandler Jones just posted a photo of a text message between he and J.J.

saying, hey, J.J., if you come here, I'll be your personal chef or something. And then he screenshotted it and then said, this is not it. This is not it. Then Chandler Jones posted it and said, J.J., what do you want to eat or something like that? And that made me think about, have you had any former teammates texting you have you had anybody reach out about potential places there we go potential places uh for you to end up at or has it been too early in that whole process yet um you know what i i think i've gotten a dm from george kittle just about every day the past two weeks which george and i talk but it's not usually on a daily basis.

So I don't know if the free agency has anything to do with that or the fact that we took our wives to Cabo about a month ago, and, you know, we had fun down there. But, yeah, I've had a lot of Niners teammates reach out to me a lot recently. Saying, hey, you know, we've been having a lot of fun. Last year everybody was injured. Everybody's just checking in. Just say just say hey how are we doing don't forget about us oh man that has to be kind of enjoyable though i'd assume at this point that's be pretty enjoyable i hope you uh relish this entire thing maybe get kiddo to send you on some more trips you know i

mean yeah no definitely i i've i've always spoke openly about free agency is fun man it's honestly nobody hates having all these people tell you how much they love you you know when yeah this team's talking here this team's talking hey we could picture you doing this you'd fit in great over here oh you know other guys from other teams man i'd love to be your teammate like nobody hates hearing that kind of stuff um so yeah i'm gonna relish in it for a few more weeks and then uh when it comes time to make my decision i'll figure out what's best for me and my family and we'll go forward are you gonna do a decision where you're sitting there and i'm taking my talents too are you doing one of those no none of that none of

that okay something to think about something about what do you got dicks god we've seen in the past like some free agents like to sign right away, and then some will wait, actually, like, all summer and kind of see, like, what their best offer is. Are you one of those guys that's going to try to get it out of the way early? You know what? Honestly, that's going to be interesting. And a little insight onto that.

I feel like most of the time that's because before Corona, most of the negotiating gets done at the combine. And I know nobody wants to talk about it. Maybe it's not completely legal, you know, whatever you want to put on it. But we all know what's going on at the combine. The entire NFL is there. But now not having that, that might push people back anyways. Like, you know, it doesn't make a lot of sense that literally the second free agency hits, there's 20, 30 guys that are signing these deals. It's like, oh, we negotiated that in the last 12 hours?

Like all of you? That's kind of. Impressive. Yeah, it's impressive. Yeah, very impressive. Yeah, it's impressive. Because there's no combine and nobody's able to meet in person, I feel like that might actually push some contracts back,

and you might see a lot more later signings than you would usually. You know, I always like the I'm going to miss training camp move. You know what I mean? I'm going to sign real close to training camp, maybe right after training camp. Daveadavion Clowney was doing that this past season, and it was very interesting. I'm excited for you, Kyle. Thank you so much for joining us, boss. What do you got going on this offseason? Trip to Cabo? What's cooking now? I'm getting ready for a trip to St. John's this weekend. I like to go on a lot of trips in the off season. Really enjoy our time off. Where's St. John's at? That's an island?

Yeah. Down near the Virgin Islands? Near St. Martin. It's down there. That's a hike, huh? That's a little bit of a flight, though, I'd assume. I think it's like a four-hour flight. That's not bad.

You sleep on the flight? You read on the flight? I do a little bit of reading, a little bit of gaming, a little bit of watching Netflix, you know, whatever, kind of bouncing around between things. What are you watching on Netflix right now? I'll tell you what, I care a lot. Good. It is very good. I watch it this weekend.

Anything else that we should be watching, maybe? I got that recommendation last night at dinner. I heard that's good. I'm really into the 100. I don't know if you've heard of it it's on the CW but it's on Netflix I'm on season 7 I think it's the final season but I'm absolutely blown away by its best show of all time what is it what's that it's better than a bachelor people are not gonna be happy about that i it's so i mean i are you into sci-fi uh no but just for the people that potentially are what is it so it's really it's um like a post-apocalyptic world

that um earth has basically been ended by nuclear war and humans have gone into space and they've lived on a um space station for like 100 space and they've lived on a space station for like 100 years and they're running out of oxygen and so they have to see if space or see if earth is still habitable so they send down a hundred teenage prisoners to go down and see if it's habitable but it's basically kind of if they don't make it whatever they're prisoners they can die if they do make it maybe we can transition back to living on earth and then it goes in a million different directions from there like that's just basically the first episode but does it end with with that earth creating a sport called aussie rules football

well you know what it feels like episodes to go so i don't know how it is that feels like that's just australia right wasn't that what australia was that is there wasn't that what australia was at the very beginning and then they sent the prisoners down and the prisoners were like all right listen we're all free let's not fuck this up all right let's build up like the most beautiful country of all time oh thank you for that recommendation i'm gonna check it out yeah i hope you like it man you watch murder stuff there's some there's a lot of murder stuff on netflix right now i've seen some i haven't watched any recently though it's probably good. Every time I watch it, I feel... At night

when I'm going to the bathroom, I look out the window and I'm like, I need to stop watching, okay? Ted Kaczynski's not outside. Alright, I don't know what's going on. Thank you so much for your time. Ladies and gentlemen, The Juice. Kyle, you're checked. Thanks, guys. Great talking to y'all. Hey, you too, man. Hey, good luck with that trailer. Take that thing off.

See you, Juice. Oh, man. Hey, good luck with that trailer. Take that thing off. See how it is. Oh, man. Free agency. Like the way he was talking about it? That's not how everybody's free agency is, though. You hear about everybody that has great free agency. There's a lot of people that free agency is like, man, all right. I feel like the Niners is just the best place for him to go by.

Is anybody going to call? What if Arizona, dude? Yeah. Why not Arizona? I don't think Cliff loves using the fullback. By the way, because he hasn't had a chance yet without the juice, Kyle, you stick. Now, Gumpy, you said Dolphins in the middle of there. Yeah, I'd gladly take him in Miami.

Did the Dolphins run fullback? Yeah. Really? Yeah, I forgot his name last year, but they used him in the fair bit. He's 50, so he loved the fullback. Oh, yeah, Chan. Yeah, by the way, the offense that you wanted out of town, by the way. That's the guy that you made retire.

You drove him out of town. The running back draw on third and 15 just wasn't cutting it last year. Hey, Freddie Kitchens still got a gig. That was his thing. Let's go to some phone calls here. Big thanks to the juice. By the way, looking at the ocean is really nice. You know what I mean?

It's really nice just to look at the ocean for a little bit. Feel a little sunny. It's 60 degrees. It was 60 degrees yesterday in India. Just like I said, punks, Tony, Phil, fuck you. Yeah, dum-dum. Huh? Dum-dum.

A lot of dumb Phils out there, huh? It's interesting. Most guys have tried a lot of different ways to, you know, try to last a little bit longer when making love. Think about your baseball team. That's a boring sport. That'll turn me off, right? Yeah, absolutely.

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What's going on, Cam? Man, I'm just making sure everything's on. You know, at this day and age, I'd be messing up this. Zoom's, web calls, FaceTimes. Yeah. Happens to everybody. We got a leaf blower going right into a microphone right now, so don't even worry about it.

Thank you for making time with us. It was one year ago today, by the way, you and I ran into each other at a Pelicans game. The world immediately following that seemed to have just changed completely. So it's great to see you again. Cam, let's talk about New Orleans. The mayor came out and said, you know,

Russell, Sierra, you'll feel comfortable down here if you would like to come here. It is alleged that Drew might not be done. You had a comment about Jameis Winston a week ago with Morton Anderson, I believe. Shout out Morton Anderson. Where are you at right now with trying to avoid basically all the bullshit that's surrounding the team that you're on right now?

Man, look, I just had an amazing 11-day drive from Louisiana to Arizona. So I'm just catching back up on everything. We got here a couple days ago. So I'm just catching, like, this whirlwind of trade rumors here, this, this, this, this. I looked up. I was like, I saw my name, and I was like, not going. I was like, I'm about to be like Gronkowski. I'm just saying, bro, I'm just – you can't.

But when you talk about, you know, Russell will come in, Deshaun Watson available, all these quarterbacks going, I just learned, you know, J.J., Deshaun Watson available, all these quarterbacks going, I just learned, you know, J.J. Watt just went to the Cardinals or something along the line. Yeah, with you. You're going to Arizona too, huh? That's interesting. That's interesting.

Cam driving 11 days. Wow. Or 11 hours or whatever it was to get there. 11 days. 11 days. We did a lot of stops, though. We stopped in Dallas, left before the cold front, went to Denver, had every intention to get up to Wyoming. We stopped in Wyoming and was before the cold front, went to Denver,

had every intention to get up into Wyoming. We stopped in Wyoming and was like, you know what, it's too cold. Went down to Park City, did a little sledding with the kids, and then Vegas and brought it on home. Okay, nice little trip there. Nice. So you come home and you all of a sudden look at your phone or you turn the TV on.

What do you think if you feel like, oh, why is my name being thrown around? Do you call your agent? Do you call the Saints? What do you do? I sit back and laugh. You can't control that. I mean, look, up top will do what up top does, but when you have some sort of level of trust with the organization

and have been there for a decade, we know that our head coach and Mickey Loomis and all the guys who do with the numbers have always been the same people they've been the last 10 years. And if something was going to be going to happen, at least I'd, I'd hope that I'd get that phone call and we'd talk about it. Um, but all I can control is what's in front of me. Uh, as you can see, I just got on, like, I've got three sweatshirts under here. You know, it's March 1st.

It's time to start easing back into training. That's what I'm on. You got to lose 11 days worth of travel weight. I respect it. I think you're going to do fantastic. Double the hoodie up. The team you've been on for 10 years has been so good. That's why these conversations are so magnified, right?

Because the Saints are a team that's in play every single year. Last year, whenever you were speaking, before Drew Brees came out, at that point, I feel like you kind of were speaking, before Drew Brees came out, at that point, I feel like you kind of had a feeling that Drew Brees is going to come back because you said the team I play for has Drew Brees as a quarterback, is actually what you said or whatever. And then Drew came back. This year, it feels different with Drew, doesn't it? This year feels different with Drew, from outside the locker room at least. Inside the locker room, did it feel different? There was that report thomas uh was playing because he thought this was potentially drew's last run in this whole thing did it feel

like that inside of a locker inside the locker room at all no i mean we talk about you know every year we we feel like we're in a great position to win or at least put ourselves in contention to have a chance to win um you talk about mike thomas coming back mike thomas comes back because he's an ultimate competitor and he loves winning um and when you talk about what drew brings to the field uh that's exactly what we've we've always known a certain standard of how professional he is now you know the last playoff game didn't go the way we wanted it to uh for numerous reasons um but when you think about what we've done the last four years and running the NFC South the way we have up until this last playoff game that's something that we have to capitalize upon and I can't say what was

about Drew and his retirement I'm bouncing around but I'm also like you know every year prior to this I've heard trade rumors I've heard you know Drew headed towards retirement and every year he's proven wrong every year he's came back and every year you know for them wrong. Every year he's came back, and every year, you know, for the last almost five years now, we've made it to a playoff run and been in position to make a real run in the Super Bowl, at least in our locker room fields. So when we talk about Drew retiring, I don't really want to answer this question until I have to. It puts you in a tough spot because if you show support for anybody,

it's like, oh, no, I'm moving on. Someone said, hey, do you like Jameis? Yeah, I love Jameis. Oh, you must hate Drew and taste him. I guess does anyone there – do they ever coach you up or tell you, hey, man, you can't just say no comment. I don't know. How do you figure all this out?

It's a fucking lose-lose spot, Cam. I mean, it's the way it is. I mean, it's real, though, because that's the world right now with the New Orleans Saints. You guys are a great team, incredible team, always going to be. Sean Payton's incredibly talented. And then when they're thought of like, oh, Russell Wilson can get in there, everybody's like, oh, shit. Sean Payton with Russell Wilson.

Wow, the Drew Brees thing. So you're going to lose, lose really in any situation it feels like. Right. Right. I mean, you know, we went three and one with Taysom. We went five and oh with Teddy Bridgewater. We went 3-1 with Taysom. We went 5-0 with Teddy Bridgewater.

Then we still have the gunslinger with Jameis Winston, who Sean has already dubbed, said, hey, we'd love to have him back. And I don't see it as a backup role, which means eventually that he is seeing Drew Brees retiring sometime. Now, whether that be this year, next year, two years from now, whatever the case may be, our contingency plan right now involves jamis and so i can look at him be like hey jamis is a hell of quarterback we've seen him uh for you know five years over tampa and now you know we got a year watching him the way he worked the way he practiced the way he

took you know the game from drew and implemented some things and knowing that he's already a 5 000 yard gunslinger in the in the national football league something that he don't have to prove um now you've you've improved as marshawn would say your mentals uh you know he's gotten a little bit better behind uh one of the best to ever do it so now you know you're in a position to say hey we do have some viable options if drew is to retire well he not only took care of his mentals he also took care of his eyeballs too he got laced yeah he got a quick lacy he couldn't even see whenever he was thrown for 5,000 yards uh whenever he was back in Tampa Bay we're talking to Cameron Jordan obviously

legend of the New Orleans Saints speaking of Tampa Bay your defense this year unbelievable I honestly believe for a large part of the season the conversation revolved around the Saints being the team that could go because of how great the defense was. Just like the Niners the year before that, the conversation was the defense. This year it felt like your defense was one that could potentially make an entire Super Bowl run. You run into Tom Brady, obviously. We all know how that whole story ended. But what do you think of your defense going into another year

where a team in the division is going to be loaded with weapons? It's going to be they're going to have a lot of weapons. They're going to come back, hopefully, in their eyes, continue to hit stride. As a defense, what is your mindset going into the offseason? Man, you know, first and foremost, you think about, you know, the addition of what Quan Alexander meant to our defense and how he came in and had a surge of play before he got got injured and then you think about you know Demario Davis signed an extension so you know he's going to be with the team for a couple more years for years to come and you know how star he is as a as a defender as a linebacker and then of course this year he added on like five

or six sacks to boot as well and then you talk about you know how the defensive line really came up you had david on your mod at six and a half sacks you're trey henderson leading the team with with 13 and a half going crazy this year um and you'd love to see it happen and then of course i'm on the other side stop the run playing the pass etc um but you have you talk about our secondary who's who's special you know you had jack rap you had uh marshawn latimore marcus william, Marcus Williams, Malcolm Jenkins came in, and then you had CeeDee Ducey, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson Jr., you know, whatever. The whole secondary core in itself just really showed up this year with our ability to, at times, take out some of the best wide-receiving cores

in the game. Team was unbelievable. Your defense was awesome to watch this year. It really was. Ty, what do you have? Cam, did you consider letting Lex Lumpkin slime you at all during the Nickelodeon game? It seemed like you were pretty apprehensive to that

when they were trying to slime you. Yeah, he kind of dunked on that kid. Yeah, look, had I been slimed, I was probably going to dunk him in the slime as well. It goes slime for slime, you know? But I was willing, but I just, you know, like, just got done playing the game. I was really trying. Like, in my mind, I was going to slime Sean.

But Sean had already took off and ran off. So I was prepared to slime Sean. I wasn't prepared to get slimed. There's a whole mindset you have to be ready for. Yeah, it's two different worlds. You had one of the most interesting masks I'd ever seen on during that interview. Is that your day-to-day mask there? Not at all.

Look, I found that. My wife found that mask and then had sent it my way. And I was like, you know what? I'll check this out. I did not know that there was a little pre-fog mist that you were supposed to put on that thing. So I was all, you know, I looked like Hannibal Lecter. I had everything just breathing through. I was like, oh, I didn't know there was prep game for this.

Hey, by the way, I would not have known that there's a mass game prep that you have to do either. But as you were telling that Lex Lumpkin kid to go to hell, basically, with that thing on, it was a magical moment. I mean, an absolutely magical moment. I mean, if anything, it was an easy opt-out for him. He's like, I don't really trust this monster with this mask on. Arizona, is that always home in the offseason?

How long is that? And why is it? Good training out there? Why is Arizona home? Is that where you're from? Yeah, 12 houses down. I was raised about 12 houses down. We own the block, honestly. My dad lives 12 houses down. I was raised about 12 houses down. We own the block, honestly.

My dad lives 12 houses down. My mom is a house down. My mom and grandma is a house down from him. My sister is about 15 houses up, and my brother is about 17 houses up, so two houses beyond my sister's. So in about a 25-house radius, we have nine grandkids. Eight grandkids out here rolling. Oh, that's awesome. Good for you. Congratulations. Good luck this offseason. Can't wait to see what the Saints do so you can, you know, finally give answers and motivate whoever

is going to be the quarterback inevitably. Absolutely. Appreciate you guys for having me on. Ladies and gentlemen, Cam Jordan. Thank you, man. Yeah! That'd be impossible. You know? Because Cam Jordan. Thank you, man. That'd be impossible. You know? Because their defense was unbelievable this past year. Defense was so good. Defense is going to be so

good. But if you don't have a quarterback, it doesn't matter, you know, Cam? You've got to ask him about that. He handled that very well. He seems, though, to believe, with his Morton Anderson conversation and what he just said, Jameis is going to be the guy. And it feels like he's got faith with what he saw behind the scenes. And during the interview, Rappaport put out a video basically saying that

Drew, that he has received no indication that Drew is playing. He is retiring. But Drew is just waiting for the right time is basically what Rappaport said in the video. So why is he doing the growler crawler thing? He just wants to be in shape for life. Never seen this before. Good for him. He's going,

so he's training harder for retirement than he did because he'd never seen what he did before. So that means if he had trained there before he had never done what he did while going into retirement. That's interesting. Drew Brees, interesting guy. It's a new record, new record. Did you hear the guy, the trainer? That head of course record. Can we run that thing? Do we have that video? No one's ever gone that far. So like so to set new records you just got to go like one foot farther

than anyone else's i think usually people just don't take off and run down the block aj well nobody wants to get better hey you know what bat at the church this is what we can do with the church when you get all set up there we'll do these kind of things and we'll all just set new world records press play there can we got sound on it? Where's he going? Drew! What are you doing? Drew!

What are you doing? He's never done that. Ever. Sounds like Pat. Hurry up! Relax. I don't know what he's doing. DB, come on! DB, come on. DB, come on. I'm not sure what he's doing.

Never quite been done before. He needed a tap. He's blacking back. Had his camera, had his phone rolling at the right time. That's a new record because it's never been done before. Oh, shit! Classic Todd Dirks. That was good motivation there.

That was good motivation there. He's made like $300 million in his career. What's he doing working out with those people? Well, what's he working out? What he's never done before if he's going into retirement. I mean, I'm pretty intrigued by this whole thing. You know what I mean? But he already restructured his contract.

What was that about then? $1 million down for $24 million. Whenever I get tweeted that every single time I talk about how Drew has not officially announced any decision, a lot of Saints fans go, he restructured his entire contract. I'm like, okay, all right. I mean.

Then why don't you say it? If he's truly done, what is he waiting for, I guess? You know, AJ, that's the game. Just like last year, we had him on Super Bowl Radio Row and we asked him and he said that he feels like the time will be right when the time is right. I forget what it was. He had a very profound answer about why he couldn't answer the only question

that basically anybody had for him, which was, are you playing? I mean, his smoothies are good, but are you playing next year? That was the entire thing. How were they? Were they good, Ty? Well, I don't know because he didn't get one for me, you know? That was the entire. That was the entire. How were they? Were they good, Ty? Well, I don't know because he can get one for me, you know? Oh, my bad. Can't have that head of hair under a helmet.

Well, what are you saying? Just like to know where he got it from personally. That was a big topic of conversation. I do like the Internet just immediately goes, okay, it looks like he's in shape. All right. He's doing things he's never done before. Is he retiring?

Who cares? Where'd the hair come from, Drew? Where did the hair come from? And that's why the internet's the best place on earth. Joining us now, a nine-year NFL veteran who played in the secondary. Great show. The man-to-man podcast host, ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. D-Bud.

Fellas, fellas, fellas. D-Bud, how you doing? I'm doing great, man. How you doing, man? Rookie of the Butler. D-Bud. Fellas, fellas, fellas. D-Bud, how you doing? I'm doing great, man. How you doing, man? Rookie of the year. Cracks, man. Big time. Hey, you're rookie of the year, too, dude.

You were there. Yeah. You were there. Yeah. I'll take that. I'll take that. We did it. Didn't we?

Hey, quick question. I went on this rant, I think, before you were on, so I'm not sure if you heard it. Lamar Jackson, right now, currently in negotiations with the Baltimore Ravens. It is alleged now that they are nowhere close. So who's leaking that information? Probably Lamar Jackson's team, but maybe the Baltimore Ravens are as well. Who knows? Do you think the reason why is, and we are trying to figure this out,

and as a guy who played both corner at a very high level and safety at a very high level. Why is the conversation always that Lamar has to get to the elite level of throwing pocket quarterback if he's expecting quarterback money when the elite pocket level quarterback people could never ever do what he does on the other side? How come there is always that thought that he has to be the guy stationary quarterback as well as what he's doing if he wants to be the long-term successful guy? Why is that something that exists? I mean, I think just, you know, just creatures of habit. That's just been the standard for so long.

You know, the Tom Brady's, the Drew Brees, the Peyton's, that's kind of been, you know, what it's been. But obviously the game is evolving. And, you know, Lamar moves the chains. He puts up points. He obviously can do a lot of things that those guys can't do. But at the end of the day, I would say one of the weaker points, not just him, but that entire offense and that scheme is, you know, being able to move that ball in the two minute drive. So a lot of games come down to a lot of big games come down to when they know you're passing the ball. Can you drop down and be accurate inside and outside the numbers?

I think Lamar Jackson has proved more than enough to be one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the league. He's still super, super young, man. Still younger than Joe Burrow who's going into his second year in the league. So I think ultimately they'll reach a number that will probably have him in that top two or three range. OK, so let's talk about this now. There's stats coming out all over the weekend that no team that has ever paid their quarterback above 14 percent of the salary cap but we did the math by the way if tom brady's numbers were 28.5 million dollars last year and the salary cap was like 196 million or 98.2 198.2 million he actually accounted for 14 point something percent

which would be above 14% just in itself. But I think his dead cap hit was only $25 million or something. So some three. Anyways, they're saying if you pay a quarterback more than 14% of the entire salary cap, you can't win. That's what they're saying. Nobody's been able to do it or whatever because of the way with the new CBA, bigger salary cap, quarterbacks' money just went through the fucking roof. Everybody's like, this should be more money for everybody. And the quarterbacks were like,

not actually not. This will be more than money for us. If you want to make, how do you feel about that entire aspect though, where this next generation of quarterbacks are about to get paid, could potentially be punished by the previous generation's failures with the amount of cash that they were paid? Yeah. because it's tough to do. It's tough to obviously build a quality roster around those huge contracts. But, you know, when guys are up, they're up. So, I mean, it's a balance. I mean, Brady, for a number of years in New England, you know, took pay cuts,

took lower numbers on the books for the betterment of the team. And you've seen the success that Seattle had when Russ was under his rookie contracts and other teams. So it's tough to do. And they're going to keep getting paid that money, though, when they're up, just like Dak and the Cowboys right now. Like, the number is kind of what the going rate is, you know, regardless of how you feel about them. What's your alternative?

So you've got to figure that out. And other teams are going to have to continue to figure it out and maneuver the rest of the roster around that. But quarterbacks ultimately i think it's going to be some point where they kind of got to get into their own lane yes i think so too i think they should be slotted do their own thing have us be our own thing then everybody will say that's quarterback club well not really the quarterback club was actually the quarterbacks back in the day not joining the union and making their own deals and literally fucking over everybody this would be them not cutting into the salary cap in a much different world um let's talk about Dak Prescott because you know in you know when you talk Dak right you immediately go to Jerry Jones

and you think about Jerry Jones the way he's handled this entire thing my hands don't get cramps right in checks and then he said I just want to win games okay so to win games in dallas i think there's a lot of things that are going to have to happen i think it's potentially a culture issue going on down there but if you pay dac they've paid everybody else down there basically which by the way should have paid dac years ago this has now come how come the chiefs have this ability to pay the biggest contract in history to a guy and also keep everybody else around him for the next five years but every other team can't do it like dallas and dac is supposed to be the one that's supposed to change as opposed to maybe

the dallas cowboys figuring out how to utilize the salary cap a little bit better yeah see i i never like that i don't like the players having to change or take discounts and things like that because the Cowboys, I mean, the Cowboys are going to be around for a long time after Dak's, you know, done in the league. So, Dak needs to strike while the iron's hot. He obviously was drafted in the fourth round, unseated role mode, you know, week one, didn't miss a game the first four-plus years. So, he's done everything in his power.

Now, Jerry Jones, he strung it out. Now we're at a number where they're saying they're uncomfortable paying him. But like I said, what's your alternative? But for Dak, you know, he got a strike. He got a hit. Obviously, he got hurt for the first time in his career, a serious injury, missing some time. But you saw Carson get over 100.

You saw Goff get over 100. We talked about Jalen Smith being paid. Zeke getting 90. He kind of tricked it off. He should have went and joined Zeke and Cabo a couple years ago and got his money first. I don't know how the hell you pay everybody around the quarterback of, you know, he's the face of the most valuable franchise, you know,

on the planet. So they got to figure it. But that's on Steven and Jerry to figure out, their roster and all that stuff. Dak, he's done everything in his power to do it. All you got to do is get healthy and sign that check when it looks right. I think Goff and Wentz and them, I mean, that is what everybody's scared to death of at this point.

You know what I mean? Not Detroit, by the way. Detroit's not scared, but Detroit's like, we want that. You know what I mean? Big contract, massive contract, best days behind you. Bring it in's not scared of it. Detroit's like we want that. You know what I mean? Big contract. Massive contract. Best days behind you. Bring it in here. We want it. They're going to deal with that obviously in a different fashion.

Hey. That guy's going to gnaw kneecaps bro. Alright. He's going to get that team going over there. What do you got Ty? D-Bud, do you think Deshaun or Russell will actually change teams this offseason? And what more can these guys do?

I don't ever remember a situation where it seems, in both cases, it just continually gets worse and worse and more stuff is leaked. And I feel like if there's smoke, there's probably fire. Oh, yeah. That's definitely the new NFL. There's smoke, there's fire. And I'm surprised with the Russell situation. I don't think he moves this offseason, but next offseason,

I can see it definitely happening. But him, you know, saying, no, we didn't demand a trade. But if you are going to trade us, these are the four teams that I would like to go to. Deshaun, on the other hand, I think it's a foregone conclusion. He's got to be moved. And if you're going to do anything right this offseason, I think the Houston's got to try to move them before the draft

so they know exactly what they're dealing with, they know what resources they're getting back to build a good team going forward because you can't have, regardless of how talented a guy is, especially when he's the leader of the troops, you can't have him in the locker room. You've got a new head coach, a new GM. We're trying to build a winning culture here, and our main guy doesn't want to be here.

You can't have that in the locker room. You can't have it. The Russell Wilson thing. I love it. It's awesome. I absolutely love it, dude. Mr. Unlimited. His team. What'd you say? No, Mr. Unlimited. Excuse me. Mr.

Unlimited. Unlimited. He unlimited. God. You got it. Bro, you're not acting unlimited. Bro. Imagine.

That'd be tough. That'd be tough. Anyways, I'm not on any team. Doesn't matter. But it would be interesting. Is that right? Hey, we're on there. Okay. Alright, we can get behind that. I would love that.

Anyways, his team around him. Chef, trainer, camera person, chiropractor, landscaper, spiritual advisor, agent, publicist, costume and music video coordinator costume and music video coordinator uh the team of three was the first people to leak the information that they're

not happy with the way seattle has treated their team three leader in this entire thing is that a way is that something we should start doing going forward is if you have something to say have it be just from the team reports this because i think the way russell will spin this is i never said anything and his agent came out and said russell has never said anything right this is just but we would think this is that their way of trying to protect russell and does it work at all right now in a world where if you're a fugazi at all everybody's like that's a fucking fake right there i mean i i like it i like it because i think guys should start doing it i mean it's just kind of how the game has been played especially from the teams because the team as you know the team's been doing this forever especially a team like the cowboys they'll come out and they'll

leak you know they run a lot of the networks so they'll leak whatever put out any information they want to put out there so now it's kind of the players doing the same and um the players not necessarily looked at as the bad guy because when a player comes out and just says what they want straight up they're always going to be the villain i don't know how they're always the villain and oh we don't want to see millionaires and billionaires arguing blah blah but um so i mean i like it i like it do business as business as being done oh hey that's good that's a good one

that's a t-shirt that's a Belichick quote that's a Belichick quote oh okay any more of those any more of those just fall out on a daily basis by the way

I'll let you know some cliches hit me like on a daily basis oh yeah I'll be like oh take care of little things big things take care of themselves let's go ahead

let's lock this in and I'm like oh that is the dumbest football cliche of all time it's a great one cliches are cliches for speak for yourself like asabella you know i always get that one because when you start talking you're like oh you know what i'm gonna just speak for myself ignore the noise i give you i give you a bellichickism every time i get on here how about that all right well be where your feet are man i appreciate it yeah d but new england's getting a lot of their players back who

sat out this year who do you think ends up in new england do you think they could run it back with cam at quarterback again ah you know what after hearing them on on on i am athlete pod um i think i'm i'm more likely to see that situation maybe happen again i didn't think so before that um i didn't think he would even want to be back there with the weapons that they had on offense because they're getting a lot of guys back on defense. But, I mean, offensively, if you're a quarterback, you know, what do you have? Yeah, he's still stinking. Yeah, I didn't see that.

So, I mean, what's your other alternatives if you're New England? Do you finesse something in the draft and try to move up and get a guy? But I'm still 50-50 right there. But I'm a little – it was probably 20-80 before I heard him talk on that pod. Do you think Cam has options? Not very many. I don't think so. I was really just thinking that whenever you were like –

the best option for New England would be Cam or whatever. And by the way, that I Am Athlete podcast is awesome. It's fucking... Every single time it comes out, there's just... My man-to-man pod. Can't wait for it to get as much exposure. You guys have been crushing it over there.

We appreciate you here at the office. But whenever we were listening to Cam on there, he was talking about the dopest shit one. That ran five straight days on ESPN. Yeah, they took that around. That was a little odd to me. Five straight days that thing was on there.

The thought, though, now in allegedly Bill Belichick's raving about Cam Newton now everywhere, it feels like that is becoming something where they're going to be together for the long haul. I'm intrigued to see if there's success there. If there is, by the way, what a massive nice fuck you from both of them to see if there's success there. If there is, by the way, what a massive nice fuck you from both of them to everybody if there's success there. But that roster is not ready to go, I don't think. The roster is not good. And, I mean, last year he didn't have a lot of time, obviously,

going into a completely different system. True. McDaniels has been known to be a pretty good coach. So, with another year under your belt, another offseason, hopefully you get somebody in there that can help them out on the offensive end. I can see it being somewhat successful. Obviously, you got the Bills, and they're doing some big things. You got the Dolphins.

Hopefully they get Deshaun. Oh, no. Oh, so that's the only way, huh? You're out on two. Two stinks. Is that what you just said? I saw he cranked up the cars yesterday. Yeah, it was electric.

It was a little... We want Deshaun down here. But if we get Tua, we're cool with Tua too, but we want four. Hey, when's the mayor coming out? When's the mayor coming out? Like over in New Orleans, the mayor came out and said, hey Drew, fucking retire.

We're trying to get Russ in here. When's the mayor of Miami going to be like, aloha, okay. When's that going to happen? We're a little fair weather down here a little bit when it comes to football. We're not like a little more diehard. It's a little more, no, no, not me. Changing hats every day, D-Bot. You know, we got loyal Dolph fans but for the city

of Miami I mean it's too much to do down here to be you know come on man let's be serious D-Bot speaking of fair weather didn't see you wearing that Miami Heat hat a couple weeks ago interesting who would you rather have Cam Jimmy G or Teddy

Bridgewater because it seems like or Jameis Winston or Jameis Winston or Jameis Winston oh okay Jameis Winston damn I'll go Jimmy G man I'll go Jimmy G I think Jimmy G is

is catching more grief than he should be I mean you know he's had a I don't know what his record is but it's pretty good winning percentage one Super Bowl appearance already

obviously had a great defense but I think Jimmy G's not bad he just has to step up and make the big plays and the big moments. But out of that list, I'll take Jimmy G and probably Jameis, number two. Really? What about Teddy? Yeah, Jameis post-Lasik.

I got to take a shot on the guy who just got Lasik and threw for 5,000 yards the season before. 30 picks, but he threw 30 tugs, too. Jameis, when you show up, you know you got to score points. So, still young too. A couple follow-ups there. Jameis' workouts are starting back up on the internet. We thank you, Jameis.

Thank you, Jameis. Can't wait to see what's next. Shenanigans he got up his sleeves. Dude, they put the camera at a place where he knows, right? He knows at this point. Oh, yeah. Jameis knows what gets the people going. You know what I mean?

Those cameras, the super zoom. It almost felt like they were zoomed in on his workout face. It was unbelievable. I'm like, thank you, Jameis. Now, whenever you talk about Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, Jimmy gets traded. The Patriots want Jimmy over Tommy. Did Jimmy G maybe steal the hearts of Belichick and Kraft over Tommy fucking Foxborough?

And then he gets sent out. Then he has success. Bang, bang, he's undefeated. Then they re-sign his contract. We got the guy, okay? Here we go. Shanahan, Lynch, we got our guy. Here we're going to go.

Then he gets hurt we're down then he gets back super bowl okay holy shit we're running the ball a lot not really doing much then last year uh after a super bowl loss it was alleged the 49ers were going to bring in tom brady over jimmy g so jimmy g is like looking over his shoulder this entire time we just played in a fucking super bowl now i'm potentially out now this off, allegedly the Niners reached out about Teddy Bridgewater. They reached out about some other quarterbacks. Jimmy G is at a point where he signed a contract, got paid, and he has no idea if his team wants him there or not.

I feel like just like Carson Wentz, the thought of a team wanting you to be their guy can help, I assume, some people that maybe, I don't want to say, are just built differently. You know what I mean? And maybe Jimmy G, with the way the Niners have yet to say, this is our guy for the long haul, they say it, but then all their actions say they don't really mean it. Do you think that potentially helps him?

And is that going to help Carson, you think, whenever Carson gets to Indianapolis? Like you said, it depends on the guy. It depends on your mental arm. Obviously, a guy like A-Rod, you know, they did – they went and drafted a guy in the first round, and you saw the season that he had. And, you know, hearing him talk on your show,

it wasn't like a, you know, a spiteful FU type thing. It was more so like, oh, you know, whatever challenges come, blah, blah. Now, Jimmy G, could he have that mindset? Could Carson Wentz have that mindset? I think it would be a good move for Carson Wentz, moving from a fan base in the city in a town like Philly to Indy. A little more, you know, a little more Midwest, a little more not laid back. You know, obviously a lot of expectations of quarterback position,

but I think that'll be a better move for him. But Jimmy G, I think he'll be all right, man. I think he'll come out. He's obviously been under Tom. He knows how to find motivation from different things. He got kind of a raw deal last year. A lot of guys are banged up. He was banged up.

I think he comes back striking this year. Are you saying Jimmy G MVP candidate next year? Ooh. I wouldn't go that far. I'm not going to go that far. I wouldn't go that far. Okay, so it'll be good. It'll be good.

Next year we'll be talking again whether or not the Niners want to upgrade a quarterback. Like Ty said, we're going to do. Like Ty said, where there's smoke, there's fire. There has been a lot of talk. All last season was he the guy. You saw him get pulled. But I think it was more the injuries with him and the injuries around him last year. I think next year, I think he'll put a lot of that talk behind him.

Great conversation, Dave. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, host of the Man to Man podcast. Nine years in the NFL? Yes, sir. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius Parker. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, host of the Man to Man podcast. Nine years in the NFL? Yes, sir. Nine-year NFL vet, Darius Parker. Thank you. There was a little bit of a conversation before the show on how many years it was.

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Shout-out to you. Let's get back to the show. Shout-out to Bill Dushnik. Big fan of Bill Dushnik. Bill Dushnik refused to give the guy his real name because what he's trying to do is stir up drama with us. Had a little bit of a hit piece on me this weekend. A little bit.

Now, I have had to dabble in these waters before because of Robert Borbeck, who wrote a little something. It was so soft, though, did not even get to it now. But here we have Bill Duschnik coming after us with the New York Post this weekend. And I read the article, okay? I read the article. I went through it. It was tweeted to me a bunch of times. And it was just the standard thing that you kind of run into with an old white.

Now, I did not know that Bill Dushnuk existed until this particular case. And then, by the way, I did some research on old Bill. This guy's a fucking scumbag. Okay, so immediately upon learning about that and reading that and learning about this human as a whole, and then obviously the entire reaction to the article you immediately go like oh that guy fucking sucks who cares what he has to say and by the way are we at the point now where the new york post is posting articles about us good for us we made it everybody can have their opinions by the way jay please a

little bit of sound over here. We actually have an entire thing about him every time we come back to the show, basically. Yeah. Giving the old white guys something to complain about. Literally. Literally, the entire article right there was an open that we use. So I want to tell Bill,

I understand. You have your right to your opinion. I guess you've done a lot of that throughout your entire life. You've been very to your opinion. I guess you've done a lot of that throughout your entire life. You've been very successful. And if I ever taste a flake of success in my fifth job, as you have had in your one singular job, I hope to one day be able to reach where you have been able to reach, which is the pinnacle of trollness at this point at the New York fucking Post. Congrats to you.

We appreciate you taking a little time out of your fucking life to listen with your stupid fucking ears, with your dumb fucking face, and have a little bit of something different maybe in your life. And maybe stick around. It might help you out. If not, no big deal. And whenever you say somebody might have a flake of success at some point, after being named a punter of a decade you know I got like the

Heisman of radio my first year in radio yeah just got rookie of the year oh my god rookie of the year it's like how do you met okay so that's not how you measure success I agree okay how do you measure success fulfillment happiness you read that article you quickly see that I probably beat him in that particular aspect of life as well. So no matter how you judge success or whatever, Bill, I just want to let you know I'm happy you've been around a long time. I respect the hell out of you. Actually, I respect the hell out of your ability to last this long in something. That is not easy. I could never do it.

I retired after eight years. Now, granted, all pro and that kid just said the whole thing. But the fact that you've been able to be around for this long, doing what you're doing, is so incredibly impressive to me. I want to let you know that. I very much believe that the amount of people that you have to tell you how bad of a human you are, which is all the internet was, by the way, as soon as this guy wrote this article, everybody started coming,

you got mush-nicked, you got mush-nicked, you got mush-nicked. That's what everybody's saying so i'm like what does that even mean and then i look everybody's just burying this guy for writing this article about me now he hates us because we swear and i'm disgraceful is what he called i mean walter payton man of the year winner uh salute to service award finalist in the nfl no but these are just things that you could have looked up but these are things that are there called me disgraceful or whatever this guy has had to stare down hate his entire life and at this point i am so impressed by it i could never do what he has been able to do it felt like everybody on the internet hated this man i don't know if he even goes on the internet because his twitter isn't very active

so what i'm saying phil bill dill thank you for what you did it was probably the greatest marketing our show has ever had a lot of people said that if Phil hates it, we'll probably love it. So we got this little promotion in the New York Post. We appreciate you, Bill. Keep doing your thing. We understand we're not for everybody, but for those that we are, we can't thank you enough for rocking with us. We're going to have a great March 1st here.

March Madness, Ray Ronquan. Hell yeah! But listen, last year, March Madness got canceled. It was when we found out, like, oh, shit, this might be real. This might be real. March Madness gets canceled. It's not canceled. It's moved.

Why are you canceling it? You should just move it. The NCAA's like, no, we're canceling this thing. And the NCAA should have came out and said, like, by the way, this ain't the first. Like, there's a lot of shit about to get canceled here coming up. March Madness is back. It's here in Indianapolis. We won't be able to see it, but we'll be able to celebrate it.

Indianapolis bars are now allowed to be open until 2 a.m. again. 50% capacity. The city should be booming. This is a good thing. This is a good time. Happy March 1st. There's some stuff popping off in the NFL. More rumors, more rumors.

NBA's happening. I mean, you're talking a lot of NBA happening right now. Okay? Yeah. A lot of NBA happening right now. Okay? Yeah. A lot of NBA. Yeah. It would be great if the NFL would come in with a little bit more maybe news. You know what I mean?

Like if J.J. would get off that Peloton. You know what I mean? If J.J. Now there's a big rumor. J.J.'s Peloton ID says Green Bay, Cleveland, or Buffalo are going to be in Super Bowl 56. J.J. Watt has come out and said, I don't have a Peloton. Please stop with this. But this is what we have to resort to in the NFL world.

That's why it'd be nice if some things start happening. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, and the Ravens are now a little bit of drama that we have to cover. I mean, there's going to be things for us to talk about, but it'd be nice for at least one move to be made. 1-888-MADDOG6. You're calling the show. The COVID Cowboys here.

How you doing, pal? I was pumped to hear Mushnick or Mashnick or whatever his name is. Mushnick. Phil Mushnick is his name. I did think his name was Bill, though, because I thought about – it was on me. I thought about Billy McComas, Billy Tubes, at like the age of 58 or 60, listening to our show and writing a hit piece. So while I was reading it, I was thinking of that.

It was a pretty funny little time. But it's Phil Mushnick. I would like to have a little bit of his stuff. That was just classic me. When I try to get names right, I get them wrong. When I try to get it wrong, I got it spot on correct, right? Nailed it. We were pumped to hear in the article there was no complaints about the barking,

so the barking will stay. Oh, yeah. But if I knew that for mardi gras this weekend the mayor of new orleans was going to sacrifice drew breeze's body uh i would have been there for that yeah that is something that i guess i did leave out in the whole drama news um new orleans louisiana right now is a big question mark for who's going to be their quarterback. Drew Brees has been the face of that city, that franchise, for oh so long. Last year, we didn't know if Drew Brees was going to retire. Okay, he came back.

How'd they do? Okay. They did okay. They didn't win at all. They actually lost to a team that's in their division, kind of sent them out. But then, you know, that team is still going to be there for a while. Drew Brees, did he play his best football this year? He got hurt.

Is this what's going to – and now we're at this point again where it's like is Drew going to retire or not? And if you keep an eye on the internet, Todd Durkin's internet to be exact, I don't think Drew Brees is retiring. Drew Brees is pushing his crawler sled thing from parking lot down the street back up the parking lot he has a great head of hair on oh yeah i mean he looks like he's younger than he's ever been in his entire life and we're wondering so drew breeze isn't retired that's what it sounds like and looks like and basically feels like so is he going back

to the saints well the mayor of new New Orleans actually released an entire video. And in the video, the mayor of New Orleans said, basically, hey, Russell, Sierra, come on down. We'd love to have you. Do we have that video? Zito, roll that video, please. Oh, what's your problem? Is that a strike? Can we play that? I've heard the rumors now.

Okay, here we go. And I want to make sure that you understand that the city of New Orleans is a place for you and your beautiful family. I'm Latoya Cantrell, mayor of the city of New Orleans. What's up, Mary? And I know, Mr. Wilson, that you will be a great addition to the New Orleans Saints. And more importantly, I can see us in that number, winning that Super Bowl championship once again. Yeah. And what else I can see?

What? The Mrs. Ciara Wilson herself on that main stage during the historical Essence Festival. Uh-huh. I just want to stop in to let you know that we not only admire you, we want you. Love you, man. Uh-huh. Okay. You, she says. What she meant to do through that video, and I don't know if this was on purpose or not, and I don't know if anybody in her team told her about the Saints thing going on or whatever I wonder if she was like you know how do we make

a video that actually just fucking you know huh like I think they actually how do we do it like oh let's get an umbrella let's spin an umbrella little catchy little tune at the beginning and then i'll just cut a promo about how awesome our city is for some other quarterback that's probably never ever going to come here now because the seahawks have basically said no but there is some trade offers i guess mayor latoya followed up with uh i have been hearing the rumors on the streets i don't know if they are true or not but i just want russell wilson and sierra to know that if these rumors are true, please know that the city of New Orleans will welcome you and your family with open arms. So not just the video. Now we've got a tweet coming out from

the mayor. And the thing about that is, okay, the thing about that is Drew Brees. Is he going to ask to go somewhere else? Is Drew Brees going to want to be on the move at Ty Schmidt, big Drew Brees fan? How do you think Drew Brees feels with a new head of hair? He's pushing crawlers farther else is drew breeze going to want to be on the move at ty schmidt big drew breeze fan how do you think drew breeze feels with a new head of hair he's pushing crawlers farther than he's ever pushed him before how do you think drew breeze is handling this entire situation well i believe the uh the mayor did this before drew breeze's video came out right so i think that was just his response you know and you saw like chase daniel and those guys like, this is a new course record. We've never seen anyone do this. Chase Daniel was pretty pumped.

Oh, yeah. Very juiced up. So, I mean, is it a surprise? No. Drew Brees going ahead and making something about him and having everyone else do it. I mean, I would love to see Russell Wilson go play in New Orleans. That'd be awesome.

I'd love it. But, I mean, it looks like Drew Brees, he's got another, what, four or five good years in him? He's doing something that's never been done before. Growler crawl. Yeah. Pushing it all the way around. New course record.

Chase Dane. I think it was like a, I was intrigued by the, I've never done the public group workout thing. Sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, but a lot of players, a lot of players have done, like they'll go work out together. They'll go to places together. You see a lot of photos a lot of players have done like they'll go work out together they'll go to places together you see a lot of photos of players from working out together at places you

know what i mean public group workouts yeah that but that seemed like he was doing with like the the cul-de-sac like his community was yeah i was going to get to that but the thing is whenever you do those group workouts okay it's such an interesting mindset. Because when I'm lifting, I'm motherfucking in there. I want music, loud. I want to be reminded of the hate I need to go ahead and get through this entire thing. Drew Brees, Chase Daniel, working out that place there in San Diego, it looks like they're having the time of their life.

Is that like a fit fam? Because there was families there, to your point, Diggs. There was Drew Brees running. You heard people laughing and commenting. That's like fit family life. Is that what that is? And if that's the case, I'm very jealous that Drew Brees is at this fit fam lifestyle thing with Chase Daniel over there in San Diego with a new head of hair.

The hair thing was wild to me. The hair thing, because that was getting analyzed on the internet as well. Picture of Drew from, what, 39 days ago? Or 40 days ago, whenever the loss to his head. That hair was clean. I mean, Drew Brees is living his best life right now. He might come back and, you know, what if he goes ring hunting? What if he says, you know what, I'll take a low amount of money.

I just want to get on a good team and play. That would be intriguing to see what the market would be for Drew Brees. Would Drew Brees ever play anywhere else? Is there a chance Drew Brees could play anywhere else? Or is it Saints or nothing? Because right now it seems like the mayor is like, yeah, it would be nice if you just fucking sail off into a sunset there, Drew Brees. Interesting situation.

What if Miami Dolphins had Drew Brees as well? At Bubba Gumpino sitting here. Fantastic hat. Good beard. Gumpy, hope you had a great weekend. Ty Schmidt, welcome back, by the way. Great to have you. Thank you. Good to be back. Gumpy, what if the Dolphins got Drew Brees? I would respectfully say no thank you, Pat. Really? You say, hey, give us two

of it. Who's potentially a second year Drew, right? Yeah. Potentially. Drew can work out as hard as he wants it's it's throwing the ball that's the issue he's probably going to throw it five yards next year what is your problem that is quite a burial i would like to reiterate to the bill dushnickson such that the opinions of dumpy and any of those on the show do not necessarily reflect that of mine or their employer and by the way that's nice to have a good collection of people, okay? It is not always, you know, if I agreed with everything that everybody said in here, there

would be no reason for us to even speak to each other, right? We might as well just go ahead and just speak. Like, there's a reason to have that. I don't feel that way, though. I think Drew Brees could come back and play football. I think he could. He's going to have to get hurt six, seven weeks right in the middle of that thing though yeah they get recharged okay then come back out on the other side swinging maybe he goes to a tandem quarterback

place much like the dolphins actually no thank you he's got tasem hill he's he's in he's there that's what he needs he's in new orleans tasem hill we don't know if he's gonna be an nfl quarterback if russell wilson was to go down to new orleans with sean payton that'd be fucking electrifying it'd be so damn good it'd be so damn good uh other big news of the weekend lamar jackson and the ravens are not close on an extension so lamar jackson's right here okay at a not close distance. That is where the Ravens are with their offer, okay, to Lamar Jackson. Not close. So we have to now break down what does that mean? Who's leaking that information? How much could he potentially be worth right now at this

point if you were to pay him an extension? All those questions. So let's first start with who probably leaked this information. I'd assume it's Lamar's people. I'd assume this is Lamar Jackson's representation, letting the world know that what the Baltimore Ravens are currently offering is nowhere near going to be good enough, and to put the pressure potentially on the Ravens to have to answer with the public because the Ravens fans love Lamar Jackson.

So that's a good little negotiation. Now, if this is from the Ravens, it could be. Maybe it's somebody from the inside who has a good friend in the media from the score. Maybe they just want to let people know, like, we are not close. Possibly. But every piece of information that gets out, we have to remember. There's a reason for it. Now, this happens a lot with quarterbacks.

Potentially, you know, they're not close, and then it happens. It happens a lot with every other potential position in the NFL as well. Whenever publicly it sounds like they have no chance of closing the gap. And then Alvin Kamara missed a day or sat out a day in the middle of training camp. Everybody thought he was potentially gone from New Orleans. Inside of New Orleans was like, no, he's good. We're good good and then two days later he signed some massive deal and it was like oh now it's Alvin Kamara's team this always happens you just have to remember who's putting it out there with Lamar Jackson the Ravens are thinking one thing and one thing alone we cannot get gothed okay we cannot get gothed we cannot have an incredible run football, and then overpay a quarterback,

and they seem to forget how to play football or anything like that with golf. They're thinking we can't get winced. Okay, can't get winced. Can't do it. Can't have it. Won't have it. We can't get potentially. No, I'm not going to say it because the Ravens haven't won with Lamar,

so it wouldn't make sense. Russell Wilson, though. Like Russell Wilson, they pay him a lot of money. They go a different direction. They get rid of that defense. We're going this way because we have to pay the quarterback. Change Wilson, though. Russell Wilson, they pay him a lot of money. They go a different direction. They get rid of that defense. We're going this way because we have to pay the quarterback. Change the entire team. Haven't been back to the Super Bowl since, right? So, not that, now granted,

Russell won Super Bowl before then, so that's how it would be different there. But with Lamar, that's what the Ravens are thinking. And what Lamar has to be thinking is, I've already won MVP. Okay, we got a playoff win. I took the next step I'm supposed to take. I'm getting better and better every year. All the bullshit about I'm going to get hurt. You won't be able to

play this way. I put that all to the past. I took a shit in the middle of a goddamn day and came back and won that thing on primetime. If you're Lamar Jackson, you're going to be feeling as if you're next. Even more so than Dak, by the way. Much more so than Dak Prescott. And we hear how everybody talks about how much Dak thinks

his agent wants him and everything like that. Lamar's price is going to be very high. Will the Ravens pay it, though? That is a massive question mark, especially with the salary cap in massive question mark for next year. It's hard to speculate, but what do you think it was in the ballpark of where Dak is?

And do you think they're hung up on that fourth or fifth year because he knows that if he doesn't throw the ball better, he might not get another piece of the pie? He would have to be a five-year deal that they're offering. I would assume that at this point, if you're a quarterback, especially after Patrick Mahomes just signed that 10-year deal, in the old heads, all the OGs are signing two-year deals or one-year deals or whatever.

I would assume the five-year deal is just like the standard in all the NFL's eyes. But maybe Lamar Jackson wants a lesser deal. Maybe he wants a two-year deal. Maybe he wants a three-year deal. So if he's still electrifying, he can cash in again and again and again. Maybe he's the one pushing for a shorter deal as opposed to a longer one with higher money, probably more guarantees in that thing. I'll be intrigued to see how that plays out, that contract, because Lamar Jackson is a much different player than we've ever seen. Everybody can say there's been, you know, mobile quarterbacks in the past, and there has been, but what Lamar does is just fucking filthy, and it seems like his throwing is getting better and better. Now, we were very

quick to judge Lamar Jackson on being able to throw a football, but we didn't judge Josh Allen as much, mostly because Josh Allen was out of sight, out of mind. Nobody got to really see it. With Lamar now, he's established, he's won an MVP, and it feels like, just like some players don't have a three-point shot, you know, it feels like the throw is something that Lamar is going to have to keep developing and get better, but he can become the most athletic guy on the field and the best passer on the field, it's all there potentially, athletically, intellectually, everything-wise,

it feels like it's potentially there. It's like, is that scientifically possible at this point if he becomes the best passer as well, which is what you would be paying for, I would hope. Don't you think Lamar and his agent and how they say resetting the quarterback market

and stuff like that, Deshaun got four years, $156 million. Now Lamar could be like, hey, I got like that. Deshaun got four years, $156 million. Now Lamar could be like, hey, I got an MVP. Deshaun doesn't. Lamar can't say that he can throw, and Deshaun can. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Four years, $156 million.

Don't you think Lamar's probably asking for that? Yeah, but Lamar can also say I can run much better than Deshaun. And by the way, Deshaun, incredible mobile. But he's not Lamar. Lamar is, and he gets all upset, I guess, and he should, because he doesn't get treated with as much respect in the public quarterback eyes or whatever, but he is a running back, an elite running back,

playing at an elite level of quarterback. That's why it is so impressive. Not that he is, but he has the tangibles that elite running backs have, just the ability to make people miss in good feel, awareness, his vision. He doesn't get hit hard, which is great for him being a quarterback, which answers the question, will he be able to do this for a long time? It's just when does he become, in everybody else's eyes, and probably even the Ravens' eyes at this point during this negotiation they're saying this, when he become the the guy who could just win

it from the pocket which by the way is complete bullshit i do know that but that is always going to be the excuse that people make and the reason why is because tom brady could never do what lamar does but somebody everybody wants to say well if lamar wants to get paid he has to be able to do what tom does it's like well fuck can we not add the uh there's a little x factor yeah there's quite an x factor over here. You know, they're like, yeah, but they can stop that. It's like, well, they can stop a quarterback that's sitting in the pocket as well. Not Tom Brady.

Obviously, that was a poor example. But let's talk about a stationary old school quarterback. Everybody thinks Lamar has to prove he could do that. And then he'll be able to do it. It's like, I think he can do that. But why does he have to prove he can do that at the same level as every other quarterback when every other quarterback that's up there can't even come close to doing what he can do over here? That's an interesting thing, isn't it? Well, you definitely would need to take into account that any run he has could go for like a 70-yard touchdown,

and there's no other quarterback who has that same skill set. Legit, though. The spin moves, I mean, people could say Deshaun could do it, I guess, and I assume there's a couple others that were for kyler could go right kyler does a lot of skirt and everything like that but what lamar does is it's just it's very different it is no one takes off like him and if you're lamar you could say give me a few more weapons here yeah you know what i mean yeah you got hollywood and then hollywood was tweeting out the middle of the year, what's the purpose of having dogs

if you ain't going to use your dogs or whatever? It's like, okay, that's real. And everybody said that offense was getting predictable. They ended up winning the playoff game, though. They did. You know what I mean? So that's like they're moving in the right steps in which you would. And shout out to Harbaugh.

Hey, big shout out to Harbaugh, by the way, because he had Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco goes out. Lamar goes in. That offseason, they completely transformed that entire building to become a Lamar Jackson success story here. We're going to bring in tight ends. We're going to become old school football. We're going to need fullbacks in here.

We need everything. This is what we're going to do with the guy that we have. It has had great success for them. Now how they take it to the next level, that's a conversation that the Baltimore Ravens are currently having with Lamar, it sounds like. And Lamar is probably pointing the finger, Lamar's team is probably pointing the finger back at them as like, hey, maybe if you, I have one tight end to throw to, okay, and I have Hollywood Brown, then we have three running backs, you know, JK's great on the backfield. But if you get us a guy guy, maybe we can open this thing up even more.

If we don't get as predictable, maybe we can really get going. That's probably what Lamar's selling. That's interesting though. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. The fact that you allowed us to penetrate your ear holes, I am eternally grateful for. Once again, if you like this show, please be a friend and tell a friend.

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