The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 366 - Russell Wilson Is Being Shopped By The Seahawks?! Dianna Russini, Robbie Gould, Warren Sharp, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 4, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about the impending "seismic change" in talent in the NFL and chat about the different players potentially on the chopping block as we head into next week. Joini...ng the program is ESPN NFL Insider, Dianna Russini to chat about being the only one on the JJ Watt situation, and dropping a massive bomb the Seahawks are shopping Russell Wilson that has quite a few people talking (22:41-41:58). Next, Pro Bowler, All-Pro, member of the 100 Greatest Bears of All-Time Team, 49ers Kicker, Robbie Gould joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about his career, his current situation in San Francisco, what he's thinking he wants to do post playing career, and much more (44:17-1:12:45). Later, Predictive NFL Analyst and owner of SharpFootball, Warren Sharp joins the program to give some ideas on what he thinks is going to happen with all these marquee players getting cut and why teams that usually spend big in free agency don't often win (1:12:47-1:25:27). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 hello thursday march 4th the first time i did this open that we uh just had to redo i said hey hey good show you're gonna enjoy it i'm not 100 sure if you're going to actually but if you do please be a friend tell a friend if you don't like the show just act like it never happened today's show though i will say after recording it there was a little bit of reaction did stir the pot just a little bit yeah there's definitely going to be a certain pocket of our listenership that is not going to like today's show. Not because of us. No, no, nothing we said.
Starting point is 00:00:31 Let's get to it. Anyways, today, big day. Big, big day. Big day. Golden Tate released from the New York Giants just yesterday, saving them like $6 million worth of cash. Kyle Van Noy was the first. Kyle Rudolph then happened. Golden tate's now happening will let's kick her for the saints
Starting point is 00:00:49 renegotiating his contract down in new orleans this comes just one day after a tweet from diana russini who will be joining us today at 12 25 eastern standard time where she said that one nfl head coach told her that next week is going to be a massacre in the NFL. We'll talk to her about what that means. I assume the Golden Tate, Kyle Rudolph, Kyle Van Noything will continue to roll into next week in a much bigger fashion. We said this yesterday, and I think it's the best way to describe it. Your favorite player on your favorite team, the guy that you have the jersey of, if he didn't have his best year he's ever had last year,
Starting point is 00:01:26 look for them to redo his contract or send his ass out of town. That's what it sounds like. We'll talk to Diana Rossini about that in about 20 minutes or so. Can I wait to chat with her? Also, Warren Sharp of Sharp Analytics will join us in the second hour talking about the numbers, the free agency, who spends, who loses, who wins. I get a bit bored with the analytics stuff, but he has an ability to kind of spice it up a little bit,
Starting point is 00:01:48 especially with that beautiful mustache that he has. And then legendary kicker, formerly of the New England Patriots and the Chicago Bears, ladies and gentlemen, the San Francisco 49er kicker currently, Robbie Gold. Fair done, fair done. You have him in a Chicago Bear uniform, Zito. What happened? He kind of snuck through the cracks there.
Starting point is 00:02:10 I would like to let every 49ers fan know that watches the show, which is not a lot, by the way. We do not have a lot of 49ers fans, and the demographic we've been told by the analytics people on the Internet, we do not have a lot of Niners fans that watch. But that Robbie Gold graphic is very rude for the amount of money that you guys paid for him. The Chicago Bears kicked his ass
Starting point is 00:02:29 out of fucking town. This is absolute bullshit, and this comes from Zito, who is a Chicago Bear fan. What are you talking about? He leads our points. He played for us for 10 years. We love him. No, you guys actually kicked him out of town, just like Tom Brady got kicked out of New England. Now, with that being said, Robbie Gold is at the point now where if he misses a kick, it's surprising.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It's alarming. Now, just like Justin Tucker, when he misses, it's like news. That's what Robbie Gold has been doing for like the last 10 years. I cannot wait to chat with him. I actually met him when I went to the Penn State kicking camp whenever I was in high school. He was the current kicker for the Penn State Nittany Lions. He was running on the treadmill as if he was a marathon man as we were getting a tour through the building or whatever.
Starting point is 00:03:10 I'd go on to kick like 60, 65-yard field goals at that camp. They would then send me letters with my picture on a Penn State football player. Can't wait. Tom Bradley, who was formerly a defensive coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers and up Penn State for a long, long time. I don't know where he's at. I get handwritten letters from him. Can't wait for you to be a Penn State Nittany Lion.
Starting point is 00:03:29 How you doing? Here we go. And then Mike McQueary, you can Google him. That guy actually said I was not Penn State material. Thank God. With the way that guy judged Penn State material or whatever. But I got a chance to meet Robbie. He was always very nice to me.
Starting point is 00:03:46 When we got in the NFL, the Chicago Bears and us, we had a joint practice when Robbie was still in Chicago. He was always very nice to me. Robbie Gold's been around a long time, always been very nice. First time he's going to be on the show, I can't wait to chat with him. COVID Cowboy Tony Diggs is here. Diggs, it seems like things are starting to pop off in the NFL world
Starting point is 00:04:02 now. We'll gamble on this college basketball. We'll fuck around with the Fade and Foxy, which is now a super boost on FanDuel until he wins. I think it could go forever. So last night, Fade-Foxy boost was Portland plus two and a half or whatever. That obviously covers. For those of us that backed Foxy last night, that wasn't a fucking charge.
Starting point is 00:04:25 That was it. for those of us that backed Foxy last night. That wasn't a fucking charge, okay? That wasn't two nights in a row. These charge calls by these stripes are screwing my bets over. Dame time came through at the end, okay? Didn't have the greatest game, but he hits a step back three. It looked like an air ball, okay? I was watching. I thought it was an air ball.
Starting point is 00:04:41 It was so clean it went through. And then all of a sudden, Golden State has a chance to go back. Golden State was Foxy's lock yesterday. Foxy's locks have gone 7-17 over the last 24 days. I've been with them the entire ride. Last night, we were supposed to win. Golden State has a chance to answer. Dame time. Steph Curry has the ball.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Steph Curry was in Matt Barnes' all-time fantasy three-point shooting contest. One of the greatest shooters of all time. I think it was Larry Bird, Steph Curry, Reggie Miller, Klay Thompson, and I forget who the fifth one was. Somebody's going to attack me for it. I apologize, that whole thing. But Steph Curry's on your team, okay? You need something. You need something. I'm betting with Foxy here. The fade Foxy people are pumped. Steph Curry
Starting point is 00:05:30 has the ball. He couldn't get that ball out of his hand fast enough. Nobody talked. Everybody would bury LeBron early. Last night, Steph could have made a shot.
Starting point is 00:05:38 I mean, that's what he does. Gives the ball to Draymond fucking Green. I love Draymond Green. Okay, I absolutely love Draymond Green. What he's been
Starting point is 00:05:45 able to do, both media-wise and probably as well. But Steph Curry couldn't get that ball out of his hands fast enough. Draymond Green then sprints at the hoop like he's Usain Bolt. And Damian Lillard hits a moving sidewalk right in front of him. And he's still at full speed getting in front of him. Run over the
Starting point is 00:06:01 ref. The whole thing. You know what I mean? I just woke up, I lose again, we suck again. But the fade Foxy bet is 1-0 on Super Boost on FanDuel. It'll probably happen again tonight. Look out for it. But this Foxy dude's on vacation, costing me a lot of fucking money. What I believe happens there,
Starting point is 00:06:19 Steph has a deal with Draymond that if Draymond doesn't get thrown out by the end of the game, he does get the last shot of the game. I like Draymond like that's the type of guy you want on your team okay he's gonna get all the fouls all right he's gonna talk all the shit he's gonna do all that rebounder he got screwed last night that was not a charge okay that was clearly a block Draymond's gonna go knock those down by the way and we're gonna move on with that being said why does he have the ball there why I don't know basketball. Why does he have the ball?
Starting point is 00:06:45 He was shot out of a cannon. He was in a full sprint. He might have the quickest burst in the NBA. I've never seen somebody get to full speed that fast. And then all of a sudden, just trucks. It was a nightmare. But anyways, let's get back to what we were going to talk about. The NFL is heating up here.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Oh, yeah. Hey, teams are about to look very different, Diggs. Teams are about to look very, very different, I think. Now,iana's going to be able to tell us more here in about 15 minutes but this is insanity this is something we've never seen before that's how it's being described and it's only going to start golden take getting released i don't think any of us are you know that wasn't like a shocker they're saving six million dollars it seemed like he wasn't practicing or whatever last year it didn't seem like it was a good fit golden take kind of you know later in his career he probably has many years left i'm not he seems to be in great shape and he's still got it or whatever he's going to go somewhere probably that has a chance
Starting point is 00:07:32 to win or whatever but i think there's going to be a lot of ring chasing available within the next week or so and that's good for shows that have to go daily and talk about next to nothing it's great for shows uh it's great for us to talk about. It's great for teams. Some teams, not so much. Like Golden Tate got released, and I was like, oh, perfect. He tagged the Steelers last time he was a free agent or whatever. He was trying to get to the Steelers. But then you look at the cap, and you're like, oh,
Starting point is 00:07:58 there's pretty much no way that our team is going to be involved in this awesome year where all these great players are going to have to get cut, and we get signed to get better. Nope. Nope. No, yeah, your team stinks. Yeah, in this particular facet. The salary cap, your team potentially stinks. A lot of teams are going to be like,
Starting point is 00:08:12 oh, that guy would help us. But there's a few teams that are in a really good spot. Indianapolis Colts are one of those teams. New England Patriots are one of those teams. There are some other teams that can really get good. Carolina Panthers, I believe, have a lot of cap space. There are some teams, and whenever old buddy from, was it the Vikings owner? No, Kansas City owner?
Starting point is 00:08:30 Arizona. Arizona's owner, who just signed JJ White, said there's going to be a seismic shift in the NFL as we see it over the next week or two with the way people are going to try to get under the salary cap. Things are going to change. Teams are about to come out of nowhere. Teams are about to be loaded with talent. Now, talent can only get you so far. Will they be able to come together and win like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were able to do,
Starting point is 00:08:50 like the Kansas City Chiefs have been able to do over the last couple years? That is all TBD. It seems like the Miami Dolphins, you know, seems like Gumpy's team, the Miami Dolphins, they're not going to be in the game to try to build up. But what if they were clear in space? You know, what if Kyle Van Noy, something happened we don't know about, we will talk to him eventually when he lands on his feet somewhere. He's going to go ring chase, I'd assume, at this point of his career.
Starting point is 00:09:12 Probably want to stay in Florida. Has said he potentially had FOMO when he saw Rob and Tom celebrating. That seems like that could potentially be a good fit for him in Tampa. But we'll see how that goes. But what if they're just clear in space? What if Russell Wilson comes down to Miami? Will that change everything? Or if you're a miami dolphins fan are you like oh no we suck again forever unless it's deshaun watson at this point that's the only thing that
Starting point is 00:09:32 makes sense but they they have cap space there's 25 million there before van noy was cut i believe okay so we'll go through all the cap space obviously that thing's been listed out and we'll we'll do that whole conversation deshaun watson conversation is uh gridiron which is a uh social media account that um that does football stuff oh yeah i believe it's under bleacher report shield is gridiron i think i believe so there also could be our also could be a BR gridiron. That's BR's gridiron. Can you put that graphic up that I put the Chicago Bears one? The Chicago Bears to Sean Watson one?
Starting point is 00:10:13 Hold up. There we go. That's just gridiron. So that's not Blue's report gridiron there. That's just gridiron. I'm sorry to gridiron. I think it might be a UK. This might be just Gridiron. I'm sorry to Gridiron. I think it might be a U.K. This might be a U.K. thing.
Starting point is 00:10:27 I'm not 100% sure. But they're quoting Jeff Darlington's reporting of, it's going to be tough to find a team that's willing to give up as much as the Bears are right now for Deshaun Watson. Zito, how's it going, pal? Deshaun Watson, though, If he ends up at the Chicago Bears Now we've been told that the Houston Texans Aren't answering any phone calls But now Jeff Darlington is reporting
Starting point is 00:10:51 That the Chicago Bears are doing the most To get Deshaun Watson I did not hear that, did not expect that Ryan Pace who has heard all The Trubisky jokes about Mitchell Trubisky being drafted over Patrick Mahomes And Deshaun Watson. It's like, we can make this right, right now.
Starting point is 00:11:08 As long as these motherfuckers down there will answer the call. It seems like they haven't been able to do that. I did not expect the Chicago Bears to be in the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes. But Russell Wilson also said, I love Chicago. Look for Chicago to maybe make some plays. Huh, Ty? You got Motor City, Dan Campbell in Detroit. We talked to him yesterday.
Starting point is 00:11:24 I'm a believer. So am I. I mean, that's the one to be worried about. I am not. The Bears stink. And also, like, who are they going to get? I don't think they have very much draft capital, do they? I think they're still recovering.
Starting point is 00:11:36 I mean, they traded, like, five first-round picks when they got Khalil Max. So, I don't know. I mean, and their line stinks. They got a lot of work to do. That's why I don't know why Russ wants to go there so bad. Deshaun, I mean, I guess he just wants to get out of there, but I'm not worried about the Bears. Now, Miami obviously is the – everybody's thought that that's where Deshaun
Starting point is 00:11:56 will go. That's where Russell would go. That's where those quarterbacks that are way up there that would demand a lot of capital because miami has three within the first 50 picks or something three within the first 50 or 60 picks they have three picks within the first 60 picks 57 is last one do we know what the that's even earlier it might be three within the first 40 okay so they have two in the first and then they have one in the second yeah so they have three picks which is what allegedly the seattle seahawks have come out
Starting point is 00:12:24 and said that's where the conversations are starting at. So it's assumed the Deshaun Watson conversation is the same because Stafford went for two firsts in a future something. So they're probably going to expect three firsts in that whole thing. And the Miami Dolphins have it. They basically, here you go. This year, too. Not like down the road.
Starting point is 00:12:40 We have it right now. Everybody would assume they get in the game. But with the cut of kyle van noy it's kind of like are they or are they not or what are they doing and are they believers in tua you know because sounds like no one else what is the deal what is the deal i don't know davante smith wins a heisman this year uh alongside his heisman finalist mac jones uh quarterback brother okay he? He was asked by an NFL team
Starting point is 00:13:06 at Senior Bowl or something like that, if you had to pick between Mac Jones or Tua, who would you pick? That team, scumbaggingly,
Starting point is 00:13:14 leased that out to a reporter. The reporter's doing their job, okay? Like, they're just doing what they're being told
Starting point is 00:13:19 or whatever. They're just reporting the information they're being told or whatever. The NFL team, though, that reported,
Starting point is 00:13:26 Devontae, like, without hesitation, said, Matt Jones, bye, forever to him. Like, that's how it was reported, by the way. And it's like, well, you put Devontae in a terrible spot here. The NFL team asked him the question, okay, let's hear it because this could potentially help us out, and we want to know if he'll be real with us or not. And then immediately we're going to break the trust of an interview or a conversation, and we're going to go ahead and report this publicly.
Starting point is 00:13:45 So whoever did that kind of fucked up for sure. Now we got the NFL Network asking J-Dub, Jalen Waddell, another stud wide receiver, on an appearance just yesterday, I believe. This is a public time. So Devontae got a gotcha question within private that got leaked. Fucked up. NFL Network then is like, well, this information is already out there. We might as well ask another wide receiver. Can we run that video?
Starting point is 00:14:12 Dolphins have 3, 18, 36, and 50. So, 4 within the first 50. That's a lot of picks. Can we run that, please? This one might be unfair, but I'm going to ask it either way. Article last week that said,
Starting point is 00:14:27 when Devontae Smith was in Mobile and he was talking to all the teams, someone asked him, hey, who'd you prefer, Tua or Mac? And he allegedly went, oh, Mac. Can I ask you the same question? I like Mac Jones, too.
Starting point is 00:14:43 I like Mac Jones. It's my preference. Both of them are great quarterbacks, but I love Mac Jones, too. I like Mac Jones. Just my preference. Both of them are great quarterbacks, but I love Matt. He was the guy that I came in with from day one. We was on the third team together, and we worked our way up. So, Matt. Okay, so that's Jalen Waters. That's very interesting because there wasn't like two, a great dude,
Starting point is 00:15:04 love two, a love what he did. We had a lot of success together., you know, Tua, great dude. Love Tua. Love what he did. We had a lot of success together. By the way, they did, those two. Love what we accomplished. There was none of that. Now, I'm not saying that he's been media trained or whatever to give like an answer that doesn't potentially burn any bridges or anything like that. He's given a real answer.
Starting point is 00:15:30 But it is a little bit interesting now that people who have been around him are like, this one guy started only one year uh cried in a mug shot uh has a bad body can't really run that much he's much better than the guy that just got drafted that's wild to me and that's by the way have to say it again that is a incredibly unfair position for wado to be put in right there like incredibly unfair that is i mean i I understand asking the question. I don't, actually. No. I don't understand asking the question. Having a laugh about it, too. Well, especially on NFL Network.
Starting point is 00:15:50 It's like you're putting friendships here now into a potential situation. But they got to do what they got to do. They got a clip. We're using it. Shout out to NFL Network. They do a lot of great shit. And I also like that guy. Siciliano.
Starting point is 00:16:00 I actually like Siciliano a lot. But, you know, it's just he probably had it in his ear. You know, somebody probably told him in that whole thing. But this has been alarming to hear. Now, we don't know how Devante answered it. We don't know how Devante answered that. But, man, I thought there would at least be like a – because you see him with his ukulele and he's singing and everything.
Starting point is 00:16:19 There isn't even like a – There's no pause. He's not hesitant at all to answer that question. What's that all about? He couldn't say Mac Jones faster than I am. I like Mac too. We decided. We talked about it.
Starting point is 00:16:30 This has been a conversation all year. We're like, thank God we got this guy. What if that's how the conversation goes? And if you're Tua, yeah, you've got money now, right? And you're potentially the quarterback for maybe the first three quarters for the Dolphins of every single game next year. But you're hearing a lot of your old friends, teammates, college. I mean, that's like a thing just come out.
Starting point is 00:16:49 It's kind of fucked up that we're even reporting about it, but we have to. This is a real thing. Well, another wild part about it is as a freshman, Jalen Waddell had his best year. As a sophomore, he had his second best year. Those were both with Tua, and then this year he played six games before he got hurt with Mack Jones. So he played a lot more with Tua than he did with Mack Jones. Yeah, you know, I had those great years and all that, but Tua stinks. That is what it kind of felt like.
Starting point is 00:17:15 In Mack, by the way, or Waddle there, terrible spot. That's a terrible position to be in. That's one of those questions I think somebody who's never been in a locker room would ask, right? and that's a large majority of people but i mean because you're putting somebody you're pinning people friends teammates everything against each other and that's just like wild but what if two had sarkisian's offense okay what if but now granted would that have helped him going into the nfl i would assume but that sarkisian offense very nfl like offense a lot of motions.
Starting point is 00:17:45 There was a lot of people open, and Mack had to read defenses. Hey, listen, I'm not saying they're lying. They like Mack better than Mack's better. I'm just saying this is wild to hear, especially if you're a Dolphins fan, about former teammates that are just like, hey, this guy who only played one year of football, who lit it up, is to probably play in the nfl now with the way everybody's talking about his film and everything like that there isn't even a pause it sounds like for that whole answer that's a it's a wild time to be a dolphins fan hey snowflake got stolen you
Starting point is 00:18:13 guys battled through dan marino you know he came and gone yeah now you guys have to deal with teammates of your starting quarterback saying this guy stinks and if you remember we talked kyle van no Nooy last year whenever he was on the Dolphins. He was on Dolphins for one year. And we asked him about Tua. And he said, yeah, Tua's cool and all that. But, oh, Fitz magic.
Starting point is 00:18:38 He did that whole thing. Yeah. That's the other thing. At this point, it's not just these Alabama guys saying it. They were all jacked up when Fitz was playing. He's not there next year. What if they don't trade him and the Dolphins start 0-6 next year? Oh, my God, Tua.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Not good for Tua. What about 0-7 maybe? 0-8? 0-7, yeah. 0-9. What? All the way up to 17-10. There will be a team that will lose 17 games in one regular season,
Starting point is 00:19:04 and it will be the first time ever. What are you going to say, Nick? Remember we talked to Najee Harris be a team that will lose 17 games in one regular season and it'll be the first time ever what are you gonna say nick remember we talked to naji harris like a week or two ago and kind of referenced both playing playing with both of them and he spoke at length about how mac stepped up everything in his answer was all about mac stepping up and mac stepping in taking he didn't really mention two at all some dope head in the office said the uh pet in the office said the uh i mean he is okay this guy yeah borderline it's a problem this coastal elitist comes over here yeah and just starts i'm first of all we only have cbd here so he's gonna bring in his own or whatever and he might plow through and owe a day this guy oh yeah it's unbelievable i've never seen anything like it. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:19:46 And it's legal where I come from, and I've never seen anything like it. Hey, pal, come back down to earth sometimes. Let your feet touch the ground, pal. He's got his mouth surgically attached to that thing. Well, while this guy was hovering way above all of us, okay, he said maybe in Alabama with the thought that, and it was a good point by him, so whatever state of mind he was in, like he got to a good point.
Starting point is 00:20:08 You know, Jalen Hurts goes out, Tua gets put in. Then Tua's kind of like just automatically propped up as this young guy freshman. In Alabama, these guys sit for two, three years of practice. Like, hey, I got to grind it out against four other five stars, three other first-round draft picks in my position. Maybe it's the way the two a career at alabama went that that because you heard him say we were third stringers together we had to grind it out because that's kind of the alabama thing you talked to naji we talked to naji last week he talked about how he wants alabama because the competition who he's practicing against
Starting point is 00:20:39 in practice and you kind of have to earn your way up through there maybe it's because two uh you know didn't ever have that class really that he had to grind with because he was dropped immediately into like a senior class a junior class and then he kind of got moved up maybe that's why there isn't as much of a connection it feels alongside his teammates but man that is a little bit alarming this is the classic didn't might go to his birthday party that's right that's right they also maybe just think Tua stinks. Like, hey, we played with him. Like, you know, we made him a lot better.
Starting point is 00:21:08 And then now look at him. Yeah, he stinks in the NFL. We like Mac. Tua stinks. See, Ty, that's that thing that I would have never thought of. Okay? I automatically think that this is off the field related as opposed to on the field related. Because whenever you ask somebody about their teammate, normally your first reaction is going to be an answer about them as a human as opposed to on the field right right like
Starting point is 00:21:29 that's the type of thing and i think if you listen to waddle's answer it was more like we grinded it out like the friends the yeah the buddies and waddle and tua had massive success together it's like you know like pat and steve for instance and hate talking about this, but I got a chance to experience it and live it or whatever. And I hate going back. There was a lot of success, though. I mean, Pat and Steve were inseparable. Okay, you saw one of them. You saw the other one.
Starting point is 00:21:56 Now, Darius Raynaud, he started getting it. They were just like, you start seeing, whenever you start creating good chemistry off the field, normally that's when chemistry starts cooking on the field, and that's the X factor that doesn't get measured at the combine or you can't pay for anything like that. So when you hear these answers about Tua, it makes me start to wonder, like, will that ever be something in Miami that'll be able to come together around him?
Starting point is 00:22:19 The pressure is mounting. Kid doesn't deserve it, though. No. Waddle didn't deserve that question. No. Devontae didn't deserve that question. But the answers, publicly, Tua doesn't deserve. Not at all.
Starting point is 00:22:31 At all. But we have to take these in and learn from them. Joining us now is a lady who works at ESPN who has been basically breaking all of the news. Yeah. All of the news. We have referenced her Twitter account at least once a day for the last three weeks, probably at this point. She was the only person that had any real information on the J.J. Watt situation. Ladies and gentlemen, former soccer player, now ESPN NFL insider and pundit.
Starting point is 00:23:01 Ladies and gentlemen, Diana Roussini. Thank you, guys. Oh, my goodness. What a welcome. I will come on the show anytime. That's great news. You actually had all the news, Pat. I mean, you were getting text messages from that Watt camp there.
Starting point is 00:23:18 And I listened and I watched closely to see what JJ was going to say, because you got to always wonder, you know, I'll be very honest, it wasn't JJ telling me what the money was. Yeah, it was the Cardinals. I wasn't speaking to JJ directly. So I'm like, is he going to deny this?
Starting point is 00:23:32 Like, what's he going to say? Because it probably works in his favor to say, yeah, this report's right. You know, it's pretty good money. Well, that's the thing. Whenever you reported that, and it was because there was so much shit flowing. I mean, the J.J. Watt rumor flood that was just coming out was insane.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Whenever your tweet came out, J.J. Watt has received several offers from teams. The best offer he has received right now is between $15 and $16 million per year per sources. Shout out your sources, by the way. But we immediately over here was like,'s bullshit there's no way there's no way a team offered him 15 to 16 million because we all thought whenever he was leaving it was like okay he's gonna go three to five million incentive base go try to get a ring or whatever when you reported that everybody was like there's no way hindsight you're the only person that had any of the accurate information whenever you're doing this and there's about to be a bunch, I guess,
Starting point is 00:24:25 with this massacre coming up that you reported, how are you going to balance through what's real and what isn't? And what did you mean by massacre? Is it about to get ugly out here? Yeah, I'll go through all those questions they're starting with. I watched your reaction to the tweet of JJ's numbers, and I was like, Pat is single-handedly ruining my credibility for like 15 years in the league.
Starting point is 00:24:46 I'm trying to keep up with the big boys. And you're up there and you're like, this is horseshit. No, no, no, no. I apologize. It wasn't you. It wasn't you. It wasn't you. It was the report.
Starting point is 00:24:57 It was the sources that I was saying. And I fully understand that because you have to figure, right, like that's a good number for JJ because I can tell you talking to the teams that were interested in him and we were sharing information. That's obviously one of the avenues where I was able to collect a lot of the details of what was going on and able to share some of it. And when I told some teams that number, they thought I was being played too. And, you know, fortunately, you know, if you've been in the league a while, and you have these great sources in front offices and, and with agents, eventually, you start earning, you earn the leeway. And they're kind of like, well, if you're if you feel this good about it, I'm going to believe you. And so I got a lot texts from uh different teams that were flirting with with jj going
Starting point is 00:25:48 damn you were right and we sure as hell weren't paying that so that's interesting because so that's your whenever you said there's been offers from several teams teams were telling you like yeah we're interested this is what we're doing and then arizona or another team that offered 15 16 we don't want to give up your sources here somebody told you what they actually offered and then it's interesting because without the combine without like people being around each other and we've talked to i forget who else uh charles robinson maybe of yahoo which is still a um that's still a website a website. I don't know. Yahoo sports is still a website. That is still something that happens. He said that people were like reaching out to him for information on shit because they couldn't really get through. I assume that's kind of how
Starting point is 00:26:32 the game is being played right now. There's a lot of people reaching out to you, trying to learn about what's going on elsewhere. It's the only time of year anyone answers their phone when I call them because during the season players, coaches, they don't, they really don't want to get into it. They don't want to talk game plan. They're focused, they're busy, and most really good teams and successful teams that I'm fortunate to cover like to keep it in-house. So they don't really want to share a lot. But this time of year, you become an ally because now I can be part of what they're doing in their war room, so to speak, or at least when they're having these conversations, they can say, well, look, you know, I heard,
Starting point is 00:27:12 they may not say your name, but at least they're able to get information. That's really what everyone's doing right now. They're all just gathering information. And when we were talking about the massacre yesterday, you know, that was just one head coach. I didn't share all the messages I had yesterday talking to different, you know, coaches and GMs about it. That one just stood out the most. But pretty much everyone is sharing the same sentiment with me, which is like, this is going to be a wild week coming up
Starting point is 00:27:39 because we're going to have to clean up. And most teams are looking at their rosters, Pat, and you know this better than anyone, but they're looking at the veterans. They're seeing who's got that guaranteed money that's dried up and done, and they're going, can we win without them? And if we can, we're going to cut them. Okay, so that happens every year, right?
Starting point is 00:28:00 And I've told this story where I went to the NFL Network for the first time and the meeting was, one of the segments was, what's a surprise cut that's going to happen that nobody expects and you heard like three ex-gms that were in there they were like oh let's see the contract can we just look up the contracts real quick and then they they just they pulled the contracts up on the screen like ah that person's getting cut that person's getting cut and then lo and behold as the offseason unfolded those people were gone it was like was like, oh, my, I could have never guessed that. You're making it sound like from the sources you're talking about, because of where the salary cap is, that's potentially going to be 2 to 3x now
Starting point is 00:28:32 with that entire thing. Now, the seismic shift thing that the Cardinals owner said, does that mean now like the Carolina Panthers, the Colts, the Patriots, you're thinking that these teams are going to be doing a lot of like, let's build super teams type situation. Yeah. And there's going to be a lot of that because it's a buyer's market now. And you're going to see a lot of good teams that have the money spend and get pretty good players because, you know, most of the teams I've spoken to who, you know, they won't give
Starting point is 00:29:00 me names of the guys they're going to cut because some, some teams that I work with, they like to tell the player first, right before I go running around tweeting about it. You know, but I've asked for a description, like, give me an example of a player on your team and why. And usually it's a veteran. It's a starter. And it's usually and it's a player who can still play. And that's the difference between this year and I think last year. You know, I had one coach say to me today, he's like, you know, in years past, there's a couple of guys on my roster. I'd be like, eh, we can keep them. We can deal with that, you know, million, million and a half.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Now, done, gone. Because I need to make room. We don't have the room. And different GM saw me on Get Up this morning and he just texted me, Hey, I'm not, I'm not giving you any scoop here, but just so you know, most good organizations operate with the mindset of you don't cut a player. You can't win without. So keep that in mind as you're digging around. So I just thought that was interesting. And it's true. Yeah. But there's a lot of bad organizations.
Starting point is 00:30:06 You've got to remember that as well. We're talking to Diana Rossini of ESPN. Kyle Van Nooy was a shocker. Have you learned anything about why that happened? Kyle Rudolph, we had heard that he had been asked to take a pay cut. He wasn't going to do it. Golden Tate, we had heard there's potential maybe frustrations or $6 million save that smart. But the Kyle Van Nooy one still at this point doesn't make any sense to us.
Starting point is 00:30:29 I've texted Kyle Van Nooy trying to get directly to the source. He said, I'll talk to you later about it. I was like, okay, well, have you heard anything? Why did that happen? And that's one year into what a $30 million guaranteed contract right there. Yeah, I asked around on that. And the only answer I can come up with was was that he fell into the formula of what i've been talking about of just how his contract was
Starting point is 00:30:50 set up you guys can win without him barely win with them oh man we have a we have the only dolphin fan that's on a show ever gumpy here's from canada and as soon as this happened he was just devastated just like we suck again basically that's like i saw yeah i saw and i saw the heartache and and i get it and and that was that was a surprise to me and just like the cardinals landing jj that that got me like i wish i could say i was that good at this i'm not like i had no idea the cardinals were in on it and and it always happens too and that's something to keep in mind pat like next week when you hear these big name free agents on the market and and you know i'll come on talking to you and I'll go on ESPN to say, you know, Allen Robinson, let's just say, for example, he doesn't get tagged. He hits the market.
Starting point is 00:31:32 You know, Washington's in on him. Jets. The Jets are in on him. There are always two more teams in there that you don't even know about. Always. I learn every year because I. Well, I don't learn because I still make the mistake. Yeah, we do as well.
Starting point is 00:31:45 But you have to remember that there's some places they just keep it quiet. Washington, so it's alleged that the Chicago Bears offered Allen Robinson $16 million. He wants $18 million. But if the Bears had a quarterback, I assume he'd be much more open to the $16 million money instead of the $18 million. But Washington, they don't have— Now, I know that was just a—you're making a hypothetical there. But when you talk about Washington, they don't have now i know that was just a uh you're making a hypothetical there but when you talk about washington they don't have a quarterback right now are they going with heineke that's a really good team they took tompa bake you grunkineers
Starting point is 00:32:13 to the limit yeah to the limit in the playoffs people forget about now that was before the buccaneers got completely hot or whatever it was the start of that whole thing but what are they gonna do a quarterback everybody's just assuming cam newton and ron rivera go ahead and do this thing again or what are your what are you hearing around the world so i've always been in the camp of not buying into the cam newton back to washington or at least to washington to work with ron again because i think ron really told you how he felt about cam newton last season when they were also in a quarterback situation where they needed one. And he didn't even wink at Cam Newton. It was that was like with the clearest report I think we did last year was like, yeah, the Washington football team is not interested in Cam Newton. It was it was crystal clear. And I don't think that changes.
Starting point is 00:32:58 And I definitely don't think that changes after what we saw from Cam this year, which I mean, we saw some good things. But, you know, I would say overall, he's not going to be a quarterback. Oh, you said he stinks. That's what you just said. You said he stinks. That's what you just said, Diane. No, I sound like the kid heckling him at the camp.
Starting point is 00:33:17 The 17-year-old. You broke. You broke. Yeah, he's not broken. Exactly. Which, by the way, if you've ever gone to a football camp, that stuff happens all the time.
Starting point is 00:33:28 I like working camps because I like hearing the – there's tons of lessons that we learn from that, and we can talk about it all day. But I appreciate a kid that can give a little jab once in a while to somebody who probably should be talking to you like that. I thought it was funny. I respect it as well. I wish Cam Newton would have buried him, though,
Starting point is 00:33:44 just to see how the kid takes the other side of it as well you know what i mean that would have been great uh ty what do you have diana what do you think the uh packers are going to do this offseason i've seen a couple reports that say they might be in on will fuller now that uh golden tate's available are they going to be one of those teams that's just screwed because they have so much cap work to do yeah i i spoke to someone in green Bay today, asked you about it, because I'm trying to get this Aaron Jones scoop.
Starting point is 00:34:08 I'm trying to figure out, what are you doing? Nice. Because I always get the same message from Green Bay, which is we like them, we love them. Obviously, we know Aaron Rodgers loves him, and we saw what the run game did for their offense and how valuable he's become. But I hate leaning on this answer but this is
Starting point is 00:34:25 the truth that like the salary not knowing the salary cap number is really hurting teams that is the most common thing everyone's complaining about and you can make the rough estimate of all right 180 but i talked to a team uh recently and they think it's 185 that's a big we're talking a five million dollar difference difference in your plan, which is going back to the original topic that I'm here chatting with you about, which is the cuts. This is why this stuff is going down, because everyone's trying to get their money straight
Starting point is 00:34:55 so once free agency gets here. But going back to Green Bay, Chris Carson is a name I heard buzzing around as an interest if Aaron Jones has to come back. And you can make an argument that they could bolster up their offensive line. Does Jordan Love like Aaron Jones? I don't know. Who are you talking to?
Starting point is 00:35:18 I don't know. Does Aaron Rodgers like Jordan? I do believe Aaron does like Jordan, actually. Yeah, I do believe he said that um deshaun watson russell wilson deshaun watson allegedly jack easter being cal mcnair too busy praying ain't got time to be on the phones with any other team uh do you think those two are going to remain on their teams do you think there's any chance they move from what you've been told by people that know the situation a lot better than us
Starting point is 00:35:46 from the outside? Yeah. It's tough to get solid info out of Houston because you have a GM that comes from the New England way. Hold on, hold on. Does Jack Easterby talk at all? Whenever you reach out to Houston, when you reach out to Houston and you're on
Starting point is 00:36:01 the phone or whatever, does Jack Easterby come chaplain walking in and he said, let me take care of this. Does he do that? Do you talk directly to Jack Easterby? Yeah, I don't call. I only FaceTime.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Cause I want to see him. And I actually make him perform before he gives me any information. I'm like, got a joke for me today. What do you got? No, no. They've shut it down in houston you know they're obviously
Starting point is 00:36:27 trying to get control over the narrative there um but i feel very comfortable sharing that they do not want to trade to sean watson nick casario has taken calls there are teams that i've spoken to who have spoken to nick casario but when they take the conversation into a trade opportunity even broaching it it's shut down immediately this is something the the teams that are interested the tone they're getting is nick casario does not want to be the gm that's coming into houston and getting rid of you know a once in a lifetime type of player that that i think we we know has so much value. We know Deshaun doesn't want to play there.
Starting point is 00:37:09 It's pretty darn clear at this point. But the Texans, they are still married to this. They have not given up on making this work with Deshaun Watson. How about Russell Wilson? They said three, the alleged, now I don't know who reported it at this point, and if it was you i apologize but it is alleged that three first is the starting offer for russell wilson that would mean that the seattle seahawks are entertaining the thought of trading russell wilson right yeah that's absolutely
Starting point is 00:37:35 just as we saw yesterday with with joe douglas saying you always answer the phone and and i'm always going to be in the belief path that if you're a good gm you answer you take the call unless it's patrick mahomes right i think that's probably the only guy you don't answer the phone and and i'm always going to be in the belief path that if you're a good gm you answer you take the call unless it's patrick mahomes right i think that's probably the only guy you don't answer the phone for aaron rogers probably all right yeah sorry aaron no yeah a little respect please have a little respect please in this whole thing but russell wilson by the way i think in some circles would be a guy that you would not answer calls because of like in that same tier if you think about him as a player or whatever the thought that there is reports that he stormed out of a meeting last year and then his uh who was it his chef his body guru chiropractor maintenance person spiritual
Starting point is 00:38:15 advisor spiritual advisors sierra music video coordinator costume and music video coordinator photographer came out by the great photographer there's been good some good shots oh yeah it's the team of russell wilson has come out and said they don't like the way the seattle seahawks are handling russell wilson and then the agent talked to chef d and said like we have not russell has not asked for a trade but if there is a trade it's these four teams is that one of the most interesting ways we can hide somebody's reputation while also saying we're not happy and we want to get out of there that you have ever seen i think it's their way of saying we want out yeah pretty clear i think if you're gonna give a list of like hey i really don't want to cheat on my husband kevin
Starting point is 00:38:58 but here's a list of three guys that i you know if i'm gonna do it if you were hey if you were to call kevin if you were to call kevin and make this arrangement happen that's basically what they did yeah uh right like that that exists like the whole pass you know but yeah no and and i think it not think i know it's it's a real thing where where russell wilson is not happy there and his agent is is gonna deny that that they are demanding a trade and i learned early in my career, you have to be very careful with the wording of asking for a trade, demanding a trade. I made a mistake with Kirk Cousins years ago where he was told it wasn't going to be a competition at the quarterback position with Robert Griffin III back then. And he's like, well, I really don't want to be here if it's not a competition, right, because he wanted a shot.
Starting point is 00:39:45 And it came out somehow as a demand. That crushes a player, right? And his reputation. And Kirk had built such a great one as being such a good player and a good person. And yeah, so the word demand in reference to Russell Wilson, I don't sense that. But I know there's been calls made on both sides, going to Seattle and from Seattle to other teams. Oh, so Seattle's shopping.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Holy shit. Holy. Seattle Seahawks are shopping Russell Wilson right now. Via Diana Roussini. Wow. ESPN. He's demanding that they shop him. What do you have to do?
Starting point is 00:40:28 He's pounding on the table, getting out here and writing too much. Diana, you talked about Casario, Cesario coming from the New England way. There's reports of Stephon Gilmore trade being imminent, though. Does that mean it's bullshit, or do you think that's actually going to happen? I think that the New England Patriots have always listened to trade offers for Stephon Gilmore.
Starting point is 00:40:58 The number that I reported a few months ago when it was starting to boil up, where I felt like they were going to make the move, was what they were asking for in terms of picks was way too high for a lot of teams. And so it shut down. But but now, you know, with the cap issues being being what they are, I could see it happening. Absolutely. Okay, Diana, we have to go. I assume you do as well. Thank you so much for your time. Are there any other headlines you'd like me to give you? Absolutely destroy my career. No, no, it's going to make your career better. Just think about it. This is my first appearance.
Starting point is 00:41:32 I'm reporting that Russell Wilson is the man of the trade. I'm cheating on my new husband to three people. You said the Dolphins stink. You said the Dolphins do stink. And I said that the only team that shouldn't answer the phone for a team is Patrick Mahomes, not Aaron Rodgers. Look, I'm not sure I'm ever going to return.
Starting point is 00:41:53 No, you will. You'll be back. It's a great appearance, ladies and gentlemen, to I Ever Seen It. Yeah! That pocket that you mentioned there is the Seahawks fans. Yeah, that is the greater Seattle area. That's what you were talking about. And I'm happy we put this right after that interview
Starting point is 00:42:12 so we could clarify what we were saying in the open. Sure. What Ty was referring to was the Seahawks fans hearing the turmoil that is potentially popping off between head coach and quarterback, which is the two most important people in your entire franchise, aside from the general manager and owner, obviously. So it seems like there is a chance that Russell Wilson will not be a Seahawks next year. It's done. He's out of town.
Starting point is 00:42:34 That stinks for you. Hey, listen, we understand that that stinks for you, okay? But it's not us. Who do they got? Geno Smith as the backup? Hey, he's a good player. Yeah. All right, anyways, back to the show. Most guys
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Starting point is 00:44:23 Alright AJ I'm doing well, how, AJ Hawk. Hey, AJ. How are you, AJ? I'm doing well. How are you doing? Hey, not too shabby. You shared a podcast with me last night that I would like you to explain to the world, probably because I told you I was going to listen and I did not. But basically, some information about Tiger's injuries has come out a little bit, right?
Starting point is 00:44:42 AJ, would you like to share more? Well, I don't have the link with me. I don't remember the radio show that went on i the doctor that went on to talk about tigers injuries i guess he kind of went through it by like piece by piece in which like what's going to be the toughest thing for him to come back but basically at the end of it this doctor at least said he gives him a one percent chance of playing competitive yeah this is Yeah, this is the J.P. Peterson Show, and it's Dr. Chris McLaren that's talking. And Dr. Chris joins J.P. on the show today to give us information on Tiger Woods, the injuries he had in the car crash, and the likelihood of him playing competitive golf again.
Starting point is 00:45:15 It does not look good for Tiger, says the bio here. But you said you listened, and it sounded like the doctor did know what he was talking about. Yeah, absolutely. It really did. He was really concerned about his ankle joint going into his foot. He said, that's really bad, the broken leg. The host then all of a sudden said, we haven't even talked about his back yet. He just flipped a car six, seven times and he's five weeks removed from back surgery. Yeah, you're right. But there's a reason why
Starting point is 00:45:43 if there's a 1% chance, might as well make that thing a 99% chance with Tiger Woods. I don't want to hear Dr. Chris's negative bullshit ever again. Hell yeah. Dr. Chris does not deserve that. Okay, he's talking
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Starting point is 00:46:04 A man who's entering his 17th year in the NFL. Kicker for the San Francisco 49ers, Robbie Gould. What's happening? Thanks for having me on the show. I had no idea you were a guitar nut. You play those guitars? You collect
Starting point is 00:46:20 guitars? I wish I could rip one of those guitars. I collect them. They're autographed guitars so uh i got no instrumental background whatsoever i can't sing i can't play the piano which is behind me too and i sure as hell can't play the guitar i'd love to but i can't do it so i've always now listen when you miss by the way the world almost collapsed i don't know if you know that at this point you're going as soon as I read this and we wrote it down, going into your 17th year, you've been playing football forever.
Starting point is 00:46:51 You seem to never miss at this point. San Fran just gave you a deal a couple years ago, re-extension or whatever. Robbie, congrats on a hell of a fucking run. Thanks. I appreciate it. It's always fun to watch the Pat McAfee tweets after the games, especially when I miss. I appreciate you always having my back.
Starting point is 00:47:12 Well, it's because you start trending, Robbie. Everybody's like, Robbie Gold, this guy, whatever. It's like he never – as soon as you miss, you trend. That's how weird it is. So I always – I try my best to make sure people understand. Yeah, I appreciate it. You know, you are my three young kids. They give it to me probably worse than anybody on Twitter, that's for sure.
Starting point is 00:47:32 How have you been able to do this for so long? It's a mental game. Everybody knows that. Guys come and go. But how have you been able to maintain the physical ability to kick ball as well? It feels like you're kicking them the same exact distance you've been kicking them for maybe the last 10 years at this point. How have you been able to do it?
Starting point is 00:47:47 Are you just always working out? How have you been able to do this for 17 years now? Well, I think a lot of it comes down to when I started playing, I played with one of your former teammates, Adam Vinatieri, the greatest of all time, right? So I was able to learn a lot from him and Josh Miller and Lonnie Paxson when I was in New England. And then, you know, you start playing and then you don't realize
Starting point is 00:48:09 kind of how hard it is to stay in the game. So you figure, how am I going to do that? So I started following guys like Brian Urlacher and Olin Krutz and had Julius Peppers come in and realized how much it is about keeping your body in shape all year round and, and not turning into this. Let's take three months off and get started back up in April. So I think a lot of it's training, a lot of it's a mentality. And then obviously having a lot of great players and coaches around is a lot of
Starting point is 00:48:38 fun. And then when you're playing guys like AJ and the Green Bay Packers, you have to stay in shape. You're going to be competitive in Chicago. So thanks, A.J. I appreciate you always driving me. You know, we've had some epic battles. It's always good to try to beat the Green Bay Packers, but, you know, a big part of why we had to stay in shape was because of you guys. Oh, it's tough when you have Aaron Rodgers under-centered.
Starting point is 00:49:02 It makes everybody jump. On the other side. Robbie, first, it's tough when you have Aaron Rodgers under-centered. It makes everybody jump on the other side. Robbie, first, congrats, actually. I know you signed an extension just at the end of this last season. I know Pat said a couple years ago, but I know you're locked down for a couple more years in San Francisco. Big money, big money, big money. Yeah, so, you know, at the end of the season,
Starting point is 00:49:21 the team had an option to pick up, and, you know, the the end of the season, the team had an option to pick up. And, you know, the last week of the season, they came to me and asked to renegotiate and restructure my contract. And, you know, it's tough being on the West Coast away from my kids and my wife. And obviously, San Francisco, a place I like to play in. And I have a lot of appreciation for Kyle Shanahan and his offensive mind. So I love the way that the team's trending. Obviously, if we can stay healthy, I think we'll be okay. But I'm locked in for two more years,
Starting point is 00:49:51 and then we're probably going to try to go until this wheel falls off. That's for sure. I can't wait to watch. I think you'll be able to kick forever. I think I told the story earlier, and when you talked about getting in shape or whatever, staying in shape, when I first saw you in my entire life, it was at Penn State, and you were running a sprint
Starting point is 00:50:08 on the treadmill up there. I was like, who is that? They're like, that's our kicker. I'm like, I don't know if I'm ever going to do that, if this is my following or whatever. But you've always been so professional, I think, even since those days. So it's been nice to see this whole thing.
Starting point is 00:50:19 Speaking of professional, whenever they ask you to restructure your contract, is that because of the pending doom that's coming with the salary cap that's right now because around the nfl and i know you are 17 years in invested and know a lot going on i assume you're in the nflpa i'm not 100 sure but this next year with they said next week's going to be a massacre with people getting cut because of cap casualties and stuff like that was that talked about when you redid your deal and are you hearing anything about that from the players' side about how this is going to be handled?
Starting point is 00:50:48 Well, first, I was a terrible recruiter at Penn State because you went to West Virginia. McQueary! It was McQueary. I've got to work on those recruiting skills now, you know? Yeah, I think this is going to have a lot. This NFL offseason is going to have a lot to do with what happened in 2011 is what you've seen.
Starting point is 00:51:06 With the lockout year, a lot of older veterans got cut. A lot of guys got put back in the market. I don't think the salaries are going to be as high as what everyone expected to be. Obviously, the TV contracts getting signed and renegotiated throughout all the networks is going to help. A 17-game season is going to help uh a 17 game season is going to help uh with those because it could push the cap up a little bit but uh you know you're going to see you're going to see a lot of older guys uh get cut you're going to see a lot of guys with no
Starting point is 00:51:35 guaranteed money getting cut and you know it's going to be a pretty wild free agency you already saw that with the quarterback starting um but when i went to renegotiate my contract it wasn't about necessarily uh what was going to happen on the on the horizon i think it was more you know hey we want to keep you here for longer than just the one-year option how can we make this happen and how can we make it team friendly a little bit to the fact that they're trying to create cap space and you're seeing a lot of these teams doing that now by either restructuring contracts or um getting rid of guys like a golden tate who was due six million bucks and um you're gonna see a lot of that come up in the next the next probably seven seven days for sure oh yeah like pat said it's gonna be a massacre they say next week but i want to go back to your
Starting point is 00:52:21 first year in san francisco robbie you guys beat your former team the bears 15 to 14 one game all on five of your field goals how in the hell does that ever happen and is that that just proved that what simulation theory is real or something like what does that mean you definitely couldn't have wrote that story any better especially after getting cut and training camp and getting a chance to do that a year later. They said you stink. Hey, they said you stink. That's what they said. They said we want to upgrade the position. Wow.
Starting point is 00:52:54 I guess they upgraded it, right? So, yeah, it's part of the business, AJ, as you know. Like anything else, if Peyton Manning can get cut out of Indianapolis, anybody can get cut. So I was fortunate enough to play for the Giants. I think they're an unbelievable organization. And obviously playing in San Francisco for the Yorker family has been awesome. I mean, they dedicate so much money into player rehab and recovery and making sure that we have everything on the two-a-day trips
Starting point is 00:53:23 from the West Coast to the East Coast. You know, the West Coast teams, I never played for for a west coast team i've always been lucky enough to play on the east coast when i played for the giants the furthest west we went was green bay and the first round of the playoffs so when you go and play on the west coast you you travel in friday night coming in after practice and you're leaving sunday sometimes you'll stay in those cities for 10 days if you have two East Coast games back-to-back. That has to – I would assume you have a routine. That has to mess that up. And then this year you guys got kicked out of San Francisco altogether.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Yeah, that was kind of fun. Going to Arizona, playing the Dome, you know. You wake up one morning and you're packing your bags. I stayed in a hotel, so it wasn't as bad for me because I didn't have my family. But I felt bad for the guys who had families and houses and things like that that they had to leave for 35 days. But I literally did not leave a hotel right across from the Cardinals stadium for 35 days.
Starting point is 00:54:22 They set up this small bubble and we never left. It was almost like the NBA playoffs but um yeah the city of Santa Clara is very strict obviously California is really strict you can see that the whole way up and down the state but uh Santa Clara County specifically uh kicked us out because they were worried about you know the the football players taking up the uh hospital beds with the everyday testing and everything else and you see san francisco now the 49ers the other first team to put together a medical board they're one of the only teams without any fans in the stands and they're trying to find ways to keep people safe and the best way to bring it back uh on online because i mean obviously it's a huge
Starting point is 00:55:02 revenue boost for not only the players but the owners as well yeah huge and that's why the salary cap and with the tv deal that you mentioned helping is is everything about that can i go back though to what you just said there um there's gonna be people that think you hate your family my wife still loves me so i'm okay as long as she loves me i don't care so how's that way because I remember there was a potential contract dispute right with San Francisco you maybe you enjoyed what was going on but you were away from your family right that was like it was a couple years ago I think if that's it and that's how that'll be as long as you kick in San Fran well I think uh as right now as
Starting point is 00:55:39 long as um if schools open up in California I think my family will come with me. But a lot of the time it's been I've just been on a one year deal. So to uproot my family and leave for five months and then try to get them reacclimated with a first grader and a preschool and a two year old is pretty difficult. Where I leave my wife in an apartment all by herself for kids to be on remote learning wouldn't have been a whole lot of fun you know so um you know i think you know you go back to like how it all started you know you're gonna see the franchise tag popped up i've been through this two or three times uh you know it's not fun for any player you don't want to be franchised obviously you don't want to plan on a one-year deal um and you know the reality is is the franchise tag gives the organization and the player who they want to keep a longer ability to negotiate a contract now the problem is with that is you're going to go through and probably not get one until july and then all the money and free
Starting point is 00:56:38 agency is gone they have the draft they figure it all out and there's no money left anyway so usually most players have to either do one of two things take what they're offering or um two you play under the franchise or three the player just doesn't play or doesn't show up and eventually they trade you or um you find a way to to get a long-term deal right before the clock strikes uh at the end of July, the franchise tags. Hey, you're so fucking smooth, dude. Like, you are. You know, you are. I wish I had your leg. I wouldn't have to worry about being smooth.
Starting point is 00:57:11 I'm not that big. I didn't have the cannon you had. I had to find something that worked for me. That's because you run too much, you know? Stop running, you get a little bit bigger. You know, that's the give and take. You know, if you have this leg, it doesn't last long, but it's a good time. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:57:27 You are the 17th. I assume, and I've seen a lot of photos, I assume in videos, you're an incredible golfer, huh? You're a big-time golfer. I know you're in the golf community pretty big. Has that always been, or has the kicking kind of transitioned for you? When I got the, I played a lot when I was growing up, but I didn't know, it was like hit and giggle. I
Starting point is 00:57:45 was just happy to be out there. I was like a 20 handicap. I was with Brad Maynard and Pat Manley in my rookie year in the off season. I was 15 handicap, just getting absolutely smoked, gambling with them on the golf course. I was like, this sucks. I can't keep doing this every day, every week. So I ended up playing, taking lessons, joined a country club, and then got my handicap down to four. And I'm still somehow finding a way to give money to those guys. I don't know what it is. Zito? Yeah, big Bears fan here.
Starting point is 00:58:16 So I just want to say, did you watch the actual Cody Parkey kick in 2018? And did you redo that kick yourself? Well, I did watch the game i was actually at the game so um you know i've only made the playoffs four or five times and there was always a stretch that if i didn't make the playoffs i would go watch a game i'd buy a ticket or i would uh go watch somebody that player my brother when he was uh he's a coach in denver for the broncos shout out chris Chris. Yeah, shout out, Chris. So I ended up going to the playoff game with my wife and my three kids.
Starting point is 00:58:52 And we were watching the game. I said to my wife in the middle of third quarter, I'm like, listen, this game's coming down to a field goal. Oh, yeah. No way. No idea. I'm like, honey, listen, no one's scoring in the red zone. The Bears settled for a few uh short field goals they're
Starting point is 00:59:06 gonna get probably a longer attempt well next thing you know the eagles finally scored in the red zone and uh they had the bears came back and made that awesome return i was like oh this is gonna be shorter than i thought and sure enough um we're sitting in the right corner right off the right upright of where it went oh all the time out, my wife goes, oh, my gosh, he better make this. And I was like, yeah, I hope he does too. And then it didn't. And then the chaos that ensued after that, I felt, you know, as kickers, Pat, and punters, like we always feel they're cheering
Starting point is 00:59:38 for the guy to make it, right? Like you felt terrible for him. And obviously this is something as Bear fans will obviously continue. But it's nice to see him back on his feet and doing well. I agree. Great bounce back. I assume you're recognized in Chicago, though, right? As soon as Cody misses that kick, they're probably like,
Starting point is 00:59:56 the fucking guy is right here. Well, you know, it's funny. I bought the tickets from the Bears to go watch the game, which is a little bit ironic. And then we went out for lunch, and I literally bought these sweet tickets to go show my kids, like, hey, they're old enough to start getting it. They haven't really watched Dad play any NFL games.
Starting point is 01:00:20 So this is like the first time I'm watching a game with my kids in the stands as a fan. But also taking them to an NFL game where, like, NFL games. This is the first time I'm watching a game with my kids in the stands as a fan, but also taking them to an NFL game where my career really will always be what it is and took off. They're like, Dad,
Starting point is 01:00:35 go Bears go. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. We want them to win, just not where we're playing dad. Now my kids, every time we get ready to watch you know tv or the playoffs and they're like dad are we supposed to root for these guys or what i'm like yeah you can root for them it's not playing dad when they played dad no chance so um yeah i watched it was a it was a crazy game and um you know uh you always cheer for them it's just part of the nature of the business
Starting point is 01:01:01 and uh hopefully they don't win a super Bowl before I do, because that means they would have beat us. But I hope they do well. Rob, I'm sorry, AJ. This is 100% my fault. I'm fascinated by Rob, because I know you, but I don't really know you that well. I just heard you talking about how the return, oh, this is going to be a shorter one,
Starting point is 01:01:19 and like reading the game, basically. A lot of people don't understand the kickers and punters have to do that. For instance, there was a couple first down plays that we would run that i knew i was punting that's here as soon as i saw like the soon as i saw the uh the formation and i see as soon as i saw them i'm like oh this never fucking works okay so we're we're losing yards here probably gonna end up punting i think reading the game is something that a kicker and punter does this naturally because it's like oh we're gonna have to go work or not with kyle shanahan in that offense is that is that the most interesting thing you have ever gotten to watch like up close because
Starting point is 01:01:54 you go back to an fc championship game 186 yards before there's that offense can go like out of nowhere how has it been like reading the team and reading the offense and how everything's going in San Fran right now? Well, when I got there, we were rebuilding, right? And all I remember everyone saying is, listen, Kyle's going to put up points and he's going to move the football with no matter who he has and whoever's on his roster. And that's been true for four years through injuries and everything else.
Starting point is 01:02:22 I think what's amazing is I wish everyone could just just sit in an offensive meeting team meeting with him and go over the what it's going to take for the week and why we run the plays we run or like in training camp you know watching it all connect from offense special teams and defense and asking guys questions about well hey why are we running this play and what are you supposed to do to defend it you know it's pretty it's pretty amazing to watch this guy's football wizardry go to work and then you know I think you talk about those situations anytime like we get a kickoff and we're getting ready to go for a game winning field goal at the end obviously a big part of that drive is going to be the return and then the next two or three plays are going to tell you basically how far it's going to be. So you're kind of getting your mind ready, going through that process.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Hey, if it's the 50-yard field, we're doing this. If it's 40, it's this. If it's 30, it's doing this. So, yeah, I mean, I think a lot of that helps, but I also think a lot of that helps, whether you have timeouts and helping two young guys on the sideline. You've pretty much been through almost every situation possible. And for me, that's just a part of the game that I've always enjoyed and loved. I mean, I wish I could have been AJ and had 150 tackles a season
Starting point is 01:03:35 and smashing people around. But unfortunately, I wasn't my body at 180 pounds. I decided to be the kicker. And learning the football situations that these guys go through. You want to come through for them because they just spent 70 plays killing themselves to win the football game. And here you walk in the locker room as a kicker and you miss the field goal. You feel terrible. Hey, Rob, you said your brother's coaching, listening to you talk about how you process the game and how you pay attention. It sounds like you would be a great coach.
Starting point is 01:04:05 Are you thinking about that? And I'm not saying just go be a special teams coach. With your knowledge, why couldn't you go become a head coach someday? You know, I haven't really thought much about getting into coaching. You know, those guys grind. I love – I talk to my brother every week. So talking football, going through situations that he saw on clips and things that I can practice to get better or bring back to
Starting point is 01:04:25 our team. It's unique that I have that situation and be able to, I'll say, increase my football acumen. But I'd love to be a consultant one day. I'd love to be on the executive level side helping, you know, why you make decisions for players, whether it be rehab and recovery. Because here's the thing, like everybody now has the same set of rules back in the day used to be well you know you would go to practice and do two days and smash each other and everyone's like well we got to do it in training camp for three hours of the day twice a day right lovey i remember lovey's whole bone to us was like hey like the second practice is going to be like an hour and 45 minutes and we're going to take the bottoms off you're still gonna have your tops on you know that kind of thing right so everyone has the same work hours everyone has the same number of padded
Starting point is 01:05:09 practices i mean everything like that's the same so now what teams are starting to trend towards is re i'll say reshuffling what their uh performance side looks like from training to recovery to training room all of that has has to now take the forefront of the focus because truly everyone can coach football, right? Was that your major? What's that? Was that your major sports athletic training or business management? Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:38 Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to sit there and help those guys understand how to market players better to make more money for not only the players, but also for the business side of it. But also, you see a lot of teams that make their players go outside the building for a massage and acupuncture and all these things. Well, San Francisco, when I got there, they brought it in because I had taken it from the Giants. And I asked these guys if they'd want to do it. And they brought it to the ownership.
Starting point is 01:06:08 They said, yeah. Now guys are in literally seven days a week eating three meals, you know, keeping their weight up. And it's been a lot of fun to watch happen. So I would say I'd like to get in the executive consulting role. You do the needle stuff? Yeah. You should try it. Yours is a little thicker, so it's a bigger bigger needle but you know you can handle it yeah i've seen you on the wwe stuff
Starting point is 01:06:33 hey did you say pretty good huh yeah not bad not bad you should take on check hey he did he that fucking he took a table bump last night i that big of a man falling that far through two tables onto that ground, he might have broke his back last night. That table exploded into a thousand pieces. That was unbelievable to watch. What's the offseason look like? Three kids, obviously COVID, the whole thing. What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:06:58 Are you golfing? When do you start kicking? Do you kick all year round? No. I'm living in Chicago. It's a full-time home. I get up in the morning, get the kids ready for school, go drop them off, pick them up.
Starting point is 01:07:09 One of my sons is getting picked up at 1 o'clock. My wife went and picked him up today. And then my other son gets picked up at 3. And in between there, I work out. And then probably another month, I'll start kicking. This offseason, I try to take a little bit more time off from kicking and get my body put back together. I pull my groin at the end of the season.
Starting point is 01:07:29 Other than that, I just spend a lot of time with my kids coaching basketball, coaching their basketball and getting ready to coach their baseball teams. It's interesting. It's like herding cats. It's amazing. It's so much fun, though. You hit one. Yeah, I do remember you pulled your groin.
Starting point is 01:07:43 I remember you hit a ball, I think, too, with a pulled groin, right? Yeah, I did it at the end of the L.A. game on the 49-yard field goal. And I played – well, our partner, Mitch, he ended up getting a shin bruise. And I had pulled my groin in L.A. just like he got his shin bruise. They came in the next morning and they're like, hey, you're going to be kicking off. I'm like, sweet, let's do this. So I'm a full groin, nothing like it. So I ended up hurting a little bit more in that game, but I had to deal with it probably for another five or six weeks.
Starting point is 01:08:15 And I was able to finally figure it out. You know, the hardest part about COVID was you had to, you couldn't be in the building sometimes on Mondays or Tuesdays. So trying to figure out how you're going to do that rehab and recovery based on, you know, if somebody had a case or close contact and all that kind of stuff. So that's probably the most challenging part for a lot of guys is when they close down the building where you're going to get any of those services. Good on you, kicking with a pulled groin.
Starting point is 01:08:41 I'm surprised you didn't completely suck like you should have sucked. Did you? Did you suck? Did you see noticeable suckage? I'm too old. I'm surprised you didn't completely suck. You should have sucked. Did you? Did you suck? Did you see noticeable suckage? I'm too old. I'm used to getting hurt. I'm used to things bothering me. It's just part of getting old. I'm 38. I don't think that there's ever a day I wake up
Starting point is 01:08:55 and I'm like, man, I feel awesome. Hey, me neither, man. And that's for many different reasons. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Legend, Robbie Gold. Thank you, Robbie. Thanks, Robbie. Good talking with you.
Starting point is 01:09:09 You too. 17 years. That's right. That's a long time. So long, AJ. Yeah. Still going, too. I mean, like you said, he's going to go until it falls off.
Starting point is 01:09:18 He's a lifer, I think, that guy. You know what I mean? Like you said, coach, he's definitely going to get into coaching. I mean, definitely. Sounds like it and when he was talking about his brother calling him
Starting point is 01:09:26 his brother's coaching with Tom probably he's just calling Robby giving all the fucking information I was like that's what my reaction was
Starting point is 01:09:33 what's going on what is going on no it's probably technique stuff if I had to guess Chris was also a kicker he kicked at University of Virginia
Starting point is 01:09:41 he was a good kicker it's going to be tough for Bears fans to listen to that. He was in the stadium. Oh, boy. You guys, in the stadium. Looking at it. Like, all right, he's got to make it.
Starting point is 01:09:52 His wife, by the way, is like, he'll make it, right? Yeah. They cut you, remember? She's probably a much nicer person than me, right? But I'm saying if I was happy to be in that position, we're in the building or whatever, it's like, could you imagine if he misses this ball right now, Robbie? Oh, that'd be a real shame, wouldn't it?
Starting point is 01:10:11 That'd be a real shame. Why'd you guys cut him? You just forced him out? You didn't like him? Oh, no. Chicago absolutely loves him. It was just like, it was probably money. You're going to upgrade the position.
Starting point is 01:10:21 They did say that publicly. Yeah. And that was a quote he remembered. Oh, yeah. Oh, is that right? Then they had, what, nine guys kicking from each, the spot or whatever last year? 43 yards. Two years ago in the offseason?
Starting point is 01:10:32 I didn't know he still lived in Chicago either. I bet he just loves it. He's like, hey, these guys haven't had a kicker with their shit since I left there. They're going to love me forever here. Well, yeah. It's the third biggest store. Robbie! Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:43 No double doinks. All right. God, he's hey pat do you think the gm like if you're the gm in chicago you have to if you have a kicker that is solid and he's been very good for you like robbie don't you have to think like hey man we need to really think long and hard if we want to replace this dude because this is one of the most difficult places to kick in the league too like you can't just bring anybody in. Yeah, the fans are there, always going to be there. They are a passionate group. The grass is nine inches long. It's windy.
Starting point is 01:11:10 Lake effect. I mean, it is. You got basically every mental obstacle there is, and kicking is a mental obstacle. That is all it is. And you get a guy, and even if he doesn't have his best year, right, even if he has a little bit of a down year, it's like, all right, let's assume that this guy is going to be able to get it back,
Starting point is 01:11:28 much like the Titans did with Gostkowski, right? Instead of cutting Gostkowski, they're like, let's have a little faith that this guy is going to be able to figure it out, as opposed to, insert name of random kicker we found on the internet who might not be able to pick up as much as he's coming out of a six-day COVID protocol or whatever. When you cut a kicker, I mean, it is you are rolling the dice. Now, quarterback, obviously, right?
Starting point is 01:11:51 Quarterback is the way it is. But when it comes kicker, punter, like if you have a guy, it is very hard to find just an easy replacement. It is very difficult to do. A year before, 33 for 39. Pretty good. It's not bad. Take a pay cut. 19th best in the league.
Starting point is 01:12:10 No, he said. No, I ain't doing it. Hey, remember, he demanded a trade one time back when he was in San Francisco as well. That's what I was asking about, by the way. I remember his family being on the East Coast or being in another place was always like talked about, you know, like that was like a rumor in there. And I was like, he wants to leave San Francisco. What is his family?
Starting point is 01:12:33 And it's just like, well, they haven't given me a deal. That's like, I can move my family out here. That's all basically like you get this, but only if this type situation, it's, I don't know. It's a wild game, Mr. NFL. It's a wild game. Big thanks to Robbie. I don't think he It's a wild game, Miss NFL. It's a wild game. Big thanks to Robbie. I don't think he knows anything about what we're talking about currently.
Starting point is 01:12:50 He might have some analytics. Well, he probably does, actually. But the thing, well, actually. The next week masker thing, I'm pumped to hear his, you know, like, who's he think? Does he have a breakdown of who he thinks or potentially some names that are coming? Because he's been able, he's the person,
Starting point is 01:13:10 you listen to what Diana said, that her source told her about it. It was basically like, hey, we're looking at our, every contract and we win without it. He probably has, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who has a glorious mustache, a great Twitter account, an an incredible website in a way to break down analytics except for one tweet he put out that even the dumbest of people can
Starting point is 01:13:30 understand ladies and gentlemen warren sharp thank you sir what were you doing putting that what was that there the purpose of that is not to actually be able to adjust everything it's just really quickly holy shit look at what all these teams are doing and uh and and you can get a little bit of general scope as to which teams are spending a lot versus a little but you do have to pinch and zoom you're not you're not going to be able to see unless you pinch and zoom on that one my friend warren i felt like you slapped my intelligence right in the mouth when you tweet that what did you what did you think about there you go there's this on the screen for everybody's watching at home but did you did you like the next
Starting point is 01:14:07 one the pie chart yes simplify the pie chart by the way i think we have that as well that was the thing that really saved the entire day because it does say like hey here's the people who win uh or here's the people that lose that spend money and then here's the small slither of apple pie or whatever it may be uh do teams that overspend in free agency win games uh no uh but no but in yellow you said the entire thing and the overspend isn't interesting because who judges that and also do you go deeper into it where you think yourself like this team had to spend in free agency because their team stunk to begin with you know what i mean like do you get that deep in analytics because oh yeah okay good okay good okay so let's
Starting point is 01:14:51 pretend let's pretend that there's a really smart owner out there that says you know what i want to take pat away from radio i want him and the boys to come run my football team i want him and the boys to figure out what we're going to do in free agency. If you guys went into that meeting room and decided what to do in free agency and you had a losing team, that's the reason they brought you in because the team had a losing record. If you guys went out and said, we're going to spend top 10 free agency, we're going to bring in a lot of people and we're going to try to move from a losing team to a winning team in just one season. from a losing team to a winning team in just one season. You will have less of a chance of moving from a losing team to a winning team by spending top 10 free agency dollars than if you did not do that. So it is, I mean, you know, factually, although the NFL tries to be equitable and tries to give the worst team the best draft pick and tries to say, well, if you lose free players in free agency, we'll give you extra draft picks in the
Starting point is 01:15:45 form of compensatory picks. Even despite all of that, it's hard to turn a losing team into a winning team. It's even more difficult when you spend top 10 free agency dollars. And there's obvious reasons why that would be. Yeah. And there's only like what, probably two or three GMs in the NFL that could draft their way into winning. Also, I mean, there's a lot of different ways to look at it, but missing on free agency seems to happen on a regular basis for bad teams, and it works for good teams because the players are normally willing to take a little bit less cash to go play for that team in lieu of winning. With that being said, Diana Rossini tweeted that she was talking to an NFL head coach
Starting point is 01:16:23 and next week is going to be a massacre, she said, basically, with the salary cap it is. Have you got a chance to look at all these contracts and see who are some potential names that are going to come out? Or have you looked into this at all? Because this has been very fascinating. Kyle Van Nooy, Kyle Rudolph, Golden Tate already gone. Next week it's supposed to get even worse.
Starting point is 01:16:43 Nobody has a clue what the salary cap is going to be. What are your thoughts on it? So I some thoughts not on specific names i don't want to throw anybody out there who hasn't been let go we don't know what the status is going to be but what we do know is the salary cap has risen over the last several season and so prior to the pandemic we would have assumed with new tv deals on the horizon that the salary cap will continue to rise but it did not obviously and so teams have less to work with this offseason. And you are going to see, in my estimation, exactly what Diana said. We're going to see a lot of guys getting cut. And what we're also going to see is a lot of those players who were unlikely to do this in the past are going to be very likely
Starting point is 01:17:19 to take short-term one-year deals because they want to hit free agency again next season when potentially teams have a lot more money to to hit free agency again next season when potentially teams have a lot more money to spend in free agency at that point in time and as a result of that you're going to have a lot of very savvy gms with the potential to turn their team's fortunes for 2021 very quickly by spending intelligently and looking back teams have been able to do that over the last four years to begin with. The last four Super Bowl champions were able to build their Super Bowl winning roster by dabbling in free agency, but spending less than the NFL average team was doing in free agency,
Starting point is 01:17:57 but still acquire critical talent. If you look at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last year, you could say this team bought their way to a Super Bowl. They brought Tom Brady in via free agency and all these other guys via free agency. The fact of the matter is of the 15 unrestricted free agents that they signed, the only one that they signed to a multiple year deal was Tom Brady. All other 14 guys took one year team friendly deals. And we saw the same thing happen when the Philadelphia Eagles went to the Super Bowl and won in 2017 and beat Brady's Patriots. We saw them go out and get Nick Foles and give him backup quarterback money. He obviously ends up winning the Super Bowl himself as the
Starting point is 01:18:36 quarterback, but he was a free agent in the 2017 season. And a lot of other guys like Alshon Jeffrey, their number three wide receiver, LeGarrette Blount, their number one running back, key contributors on the defensive side of the football. All these guys were on short-term, one-year deals that they acquired via free agency. So the point here, Pat, is that Diane is absolutely correct. And we should be able to see a lot more GMs get very aggressive in this free agency period to try to turn their teams around because I think that it can be done pretty quickly dumpy warren why the hell did the dolphins release kyle van noy so i don't know the specifics around him besides deciding that they wanted to move in a different direction they made
Starting point is 01:19:19 a i i previewed this last offseason how Dolphins going to look different defensively this year? I expected a massive change because of all the young and cheap players that they had on their 2019 roster. And they went in, and their GM and their head coach went in and made a strategic effort and concerted effort to bring in a lot of these guys via free agency last offseason. They did that. They got a lot older. They got a lot more intelligent defensively,
Starting point is 01:19:45 a lot more experience in that system. I can't tell you what happened there. That was a little bit of a shock to me other than trying to save future money and they didn't feel that the player was worth it. But he was shocked. I was shocked. I'm sure his agent was shocked. Yeah, I'm excited to see where Kyle Vannoy ends up. He'll tell us what happened hopefully one day, either here or on his Twitch stream, which is incredible. Is there any analytics that show that your team should give up three first round draft picks for
Starting point is 01:20:14 Russell Wilson or like Deshaun Watson? Are there any alarming analytics that you have dove into that say if you get Deshaun or Russell on your team, they'll count for like three, four wins or anything like is there anything like that in your world or how do you feel about the potential worth whenever it comes to draft picks for a player type situation well the problem is we haven't had a lot of instances where we've been able to prove
Starting point is 01:20:40 if that's correct where we've been able to say okay let's let's find examples where a team gave up three first rounders for a quarterback like Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson and were they right to do so or not so a lot of this is conjecture and speculation based on the data that being said I would rather have a guy like Deshaun Watson because it's substantially younger than I would Russell Wilson if I'm giving up that level of draft capital. Now, I absolutely love Russell Wilson, but I think that Deshaun Watson is going to be worth more on the marketplace than Russell Wilson would be at this point in time.
Starting point is 01:21:14 Thanks. So there was a report earlier today that the Patriots are not impressed with any of the quarterbacks in free agency. Now you have Cam Newton, Jacoby Brissett, Trubisky, Fitzpatrick. Would you roll with Jameis? in free agency. Now you have Cam Newton, Jacoby Brissett, Trubisky, Fitzpatrick. Would you roll with Jameis? Would you roll with any of those guys before, say, maybe taking like Mack Jones later in the draft if you're the Patriots,
Starting point is 01:21:34 like 15th overall? Oh, Mack ain't making it to 15th. He's going top 10. He's going to make it to top 5. Josh Allen reincarnated. That's what people are saying? It all depends on what the Patriots goals are this season if they don't mind tanking then you want to roll with a younger guy and try to build around him and set yourself up for future success year two year three that's the key with these young quarterbacks
Starting point is 01:21:57 is you want to get them in you want to give them experience and then you want to try to have a roster that's capable of supporting them on a run deep into the playoffs in year two three or four so if if belichick says i don't care about this season let's just go after a quarterback then that's what you would want to do if you can't get back jones then you could plug jamis winston and look jamis in my opinion would give you absolutely nothing less than what cam newton was able to give you last year, but that's still not getting you to the playoffs. They are getting back a number of guys via opt-outs from last season.
Starting point is 01:22:32 And in addition, they have more capital to work with. They've got more cap room. They've got better draft picks than they typically have. So there is a lot that Belichick could do this offseason. But as we said, typically you're not going to turn a franchise from a losing record to a winning record in just one offseason. It's going to be interesting to see how Belichick does this, because I think he is the type of coach with the type of teaching skills that will be able to elevate talent and does
Starting point is 01:22:57 have a good baseline of general talent there. But they've got a lot of work to do. I think Jameis Winston would be a fine, adequate quarterback in the NFL still, but I don't think he's winning a Super Bowl for you. I saw him throw a deep ball on Nickelodeon. It was unbelievable. Perfect. Wasn't it?
Starting point is 01:23:15 Yeah. He threw an absolute time. What do you have, Ty? Warren, do you have any predictive models for any other sports, or have you considered it? Do you have a calculation for who's going to win the NCAA tournamenta tournament right now bad yeah who should we bet on west virginia i do not know because i do not have a model i spend all my time focusing on the nfl so come on dude or i'm useless for anything else to be honest so are you in there like coding or algorithms and things when you say
Starting point is 01:23:41 your model what does that mean you're like writing? Yeah, I've got an algorithm that basically tells me what the totals and sides should be set at from a players' perspective on the NFL games. And so there's a lot of data that gets filtered into that model. And I'm constantly tweaking it every single season. But I'm also looking at other things that don't have anything necessarily to do with that model that predictive algorithm itself but i'm looking at analytics from the prior season from 2020 i'm looking at well what were teams doing differently from like a play action rate
Starting point is 01:24:15 uh uh pre-step motion rate what are these teams doing what were some teams doing differently than 2019 and how did that impact their odds of winning games and that sort of thing? So a lot of work. So you give yourself like homework, you're like, Alright, on Monday from noon to two, I'm going to work on third downs in the NFL in 2018. And that is that what you do? I create lists, I create to do lists every single day, and I stay up very late at night. So I'm just scribbling notes at very late hours of what I need to do the next day or the next
Starting point is 01:24:44 week. And I just set deadlines for myself. And absolutely, I'm looking into third down conversion rate, which hinges primarily on the yards to go on third down, which hinges on what teams are doing on early downs, which hinges on their decision making on first down and their aggressiveness. So I'm building all of these things in. I'm trying to figure out where the league is headed and what teams can do better to try to take advantage of the rules.
Starting point is 01:25:07 Well, we appreciate your hard work in there, okay? That is a place that I would never go, but the fact that we get a chance to utilize your brain in this world, evaluating football, we are thankful, sir. Your mustache looks better than ever, I'd say, today. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. No problem.
Starting point is 01:25:23 At Sharp Football, ladies and gentlemen, Warren Sharp. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. No problem. At Sharp Football, ladies and gentlemen, Warren Sharp. Thank you, Warren! AJ, Russell Wilson News took quite a turn today on our show talking to NFL insider, ESPN pundit Diana Rossini. She said that people have been calling Seattle, and Seattle's been calling people, and me immediately overreacting. Wait aini, she said that people have been calling Seattle and Seattle's been calling people. And me, immediately, overreacting, wait a minute, I said. I said, okay, I'm going to do what, and Diana's never done this,
Starting point is 01:25:53 but her employer, ESPN, does to things that get said in other places. I'm going to go, wait a minute. Did you just say that the Seattle Seahawks are shopping Russell Wilson? And she had to clear that up on the show and in a tweet. They are not shopping, but they have made calls or whatever from what they're being told. Now there's more and more information rolling out behind the scenes about the information or about the relationship between Pete Carroll
Starting point is 01:26:18 and Russell Wilson. I believe a lot of the information we had been hearing from first was coming from Team 3, okay, from Russell Wilson's team. I believe this new piece of information is coming from the Seattle Seahawks side of this thing in a tweet thread from Dovey Kleiman. He tweets, Dovey Kleiman, by the way, at NFL underscore DOV K-L-E-I-M-A-N. We get a lot of information. He is a sniffer of the internet for sports news, and he
Starting point is 01:26:46 kind of rounds it all up. The rift between Russell Wilson and the Seahawks is happening because Wilson believes he's a top five quarterback all time. Time. And he also believes that he isn't currently even viewed as a top ten quarterback all time. What? Time. He thinks Seattle is holding him back
Starting point is 01:27:02 with certain decisions. Parenthesize, personnel forward slash scheme, if you're wondering what. The issue between the two sides is because now after Carroll gave him full reign of the offense in 2020, Russell couldn't maintain high level of success for even one full season. Parenthesize, the second half of 2020 was a turnover-filled mess. Parenthesize. So they no longer trust him to be the focal point. So now we have Russell versus Pete standoff.
Starting point is 01:27:29 But let's not forget Carroll was criticized for years for being too nice to Russell. So the dynamic has now shifted. Wilson wants to play in an offense that allows him to look like an MVP quarterback and his own team doesn't trust him. So you put that alongside what Diana told us that she's been hearing about Seattle calling some teams. Russell Wilson's out of Seattle. This is something that this is a personal thing. Dan Orslavsky said it on this show. He said he thought that the Deshaun Watson thing was going to end bad because it was personal. The Russell Wilson thing was just football, is what he
Starting point is 01:28:06 said. Now, from the more information, it sounds like this is potentially personal. What are you, what's going on? I don't want to say this is our fault. You want me to pop it up? Yeah, let Pat react. You want me to pop it up? Yeah. The Saints are releasing longtime punter Thomas
Starting point is 01:28:22 Morstead. They spelled his fucking name wrong. Come on! There's no E after the R. New Orleans The Saints are releasing longtime punter Thomas Morstead. They spelled his fucking name wrong. Come on. There's no E after the R. New Orleans held on to rookie punter Blake Gillick in all season. He's likely the future at the position. Moves saves $2.5 million in cap space. I said this yesterday. No, you didn't say it.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Tony did. Tony said his name yesterday. I said I knew it was coming. I literally yesterday, as we're talking about it you know we kind of got we're getting caught up in the hype every day I mean we'll talk about Russell here in a second but you get caught up in the salary cap and the the the cuts they're gonna have and a massacre was said and they're they're trying to save any dollar they can they hit me right in the face yesterday that means kickersers and punters. That's what that means. That means kickers and punters.
Starting point is 01:29:05 And here we are, probably exactly 24 hours from that moment happening. Will Lutz has been asked to renegotiate his contract. Thomas Morstead, who was drafted the same year as me, has been a pro bowler. Last year did not have his best year. He's now been waived. He's on the streets. I mean, this is going to continue to happen to kicking and punting positions around the NFL, I fear. And Thomas had a hell of a run at the New Orleans Saints. He was the one to kick the ambush onside kick in the second half
Starting point is 01:29:38 to open the second half of the Super Bowl in which the Saints beat the Indianapolis Colts team I was a part of. Son of a bitch. He wasn't even that good of an onside kicker, but that moment, he was absolutely unbelievable, and he only got better and better. A man who, I would say, for a long stretch of his career, was the most consistent bomber in the NFL. A guy who taught me how to punt has now been cut, basically.
Starting point is 01:30:05 And I assume he's going to continue to go. I saw a workout with him this morning, getting back into great shape. I don't know if he was hurt last year. I fear that this is going to happen a lot, though, over the next few days. Think about, though, if a team can save 2.5 mil by cutting the punter, it's going to happen. I'm sure Thomas Morstead had a feeling that this was going to happen. You're 61 million over the cap. Yeah, they're going to happen. Like I know, I'm sure Thomas Morstead had a feeling that this was going to happen. You're 61 million over the cap. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:26 They're going to save wherever they can. Oh no. Boy. Well, I'm also watching the internet unfold with what Diana said about Russell happened on my phone. Sure. As well as now I'm dealing with a good friend of mine getting cut here to
Starting point is 01:30:43 save 2.5 million. I mean, it's a wild time to be alive. I mean, as Diana said, a lot of GMs had the reactions that you had about JJ's contract. And now, unfortunately, we're correct about this happening to punters and kickers. So ipso facto, you could definitely be an NFL GM. Yeah, it feels like I'm kind of on cue with General Manager's thoughts. Thomas will land on his feet somewhere, and he'll punt the ball well. He loved New Orleans, though.
Starting point is 01:31:13 I know that. He was pretty deep in it. What's that? I would like to take this moment to welcome Thomas to Pittsburgh. The city will love him. We will embrace him with open arms. I'll tell you what. Or Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:31:24 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now we're talking. I'll tell you what, this punter market becomes a buyer's market. There's going to be some kickers that are out there that are very good that are not going to have a team. That is going to be something that happens. Okay, let's get back to Russell.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Thomas, good run. Thanks, Thomas. Anyways, this Russell Wilson thing is continuing to cook cook it seems like it is much uglier behind the scenes than we could have ever imagined when shoddy got fired who was the offensive coordinator who believed in let russ cook this past season and then pete carroll came out and said that there was philosophical differences in the philosophical difference was shoddy believed that russell wilson could cook and win games all by himself pete carroll said we got to be able to run the ball more.
Starting point is 01:32:06 I automatically assumed that Pete Carroll thought that because that would help out the offensive line and the protection of Russell Wilson to make the whole team better. But here we are. It seems like Russell Wilson's team, and maybe Russell Wilson himself, took that as a direct shot from Pete Carroll that they can't win that way. And this thing has kind of gotten to a point where maybe Russell goes somewhere else this year, AJ. I mean, it sure seems to be trending in that direction think about though in that in those
Starting point is 01:32:27 tweets from old Doovey Kleiman he mentioned how in the past Pete has been criticized for being too nice to Russell or not holding him accountable like they do maybe some other players Pete was his guy and now if Pete's not his guy and they're having this rift yeah you would think he's out of there and maybe is this Pete and GM John Snyder trying to like take control back of the team saying like hey no this is run from the top like you can't hijack our whole team of the narrative it feels like they're trying to get the narrative back here right that's uh because if you look at the parenthesized from doovie there which was a turnover riddled mess or whatever he said i mean you could tell the the which by the way,
Starting point is 01:33:06 everything that they said here, he threw four or something in one game. He had like 12 total turnovers in like a four-game span. We were getting yelled at for not talking about him being MVP enough from Seahawks fans who are I assume devastated to hear this news that's going on right now with Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. Yeah, I would assume so.
Starting point is 01:33:22 I mean, there's a lot of tweets I'm reading where people are like, oh, shut the fuck up. Like, this is bullshit. Like, that type of stuff. It's like, what if... Because Russ or Pete could have came out by now. Yep, absolutely. But would it do Pete any favors
Starting point is 01:33:36 if he came out and spoke on this right now? No, but Russ could have definitely come out and spoke about this. I mean, at any... Why would you when you can... All your messages can get filtered out there through TV3. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. come out and spoke about this i mean it could have why would you when you can all your all your messages can get filtered out there through t3 well that's what i'm saying though like if this was all you know like if this was all russ could say like none of this yeah like none of this is
Starting point is 01:33:55 you know what i mean like it could be like jay jack i don't own a peloton or whatever yeah exactly or no one's speaking like no one from my team is speaking out like you know what i mean like that type uh that could happen so whenever and now that is unfair to russell if this is all bullshit that he has to take time out of his life to say that the conversations around a top five quarterback of all time okay in his eyes uh well what he wants to be viewed as we're gonna have conversations on whether or not he's gonna remain at the team that he's been with since he got drafted so like i can understand where it's not really fair for him to have to address every bullshit rumor that comes out but this seems to be one that is only getting it's only growing stronger at this point this entire thing i mean it's growing stronger it's also not like it came
Starting point is 01:34:38 out of nowhere like he was the one that started stirring this pot so team three yeah exactly and then he had an interview morning of. On Dan Patrick and didn't put any of this stuff to bed, really. It was just kind of like, yeah, I guess we'll see. Can you look at the tape and be like, I didn't play my best football either? Because that is what happened. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:34:56 Russ in the second half of the season was the worst he's looked in years. But did he look bad because of, parentheses, of personnel and scheme? Yeah, could be. But he also wasn't running either. Like, in years past. Hold on. If he hates the scheme, go back to that tweet, parentheses, please. He thinks Seattle is holding him back with certain decisions,
Starting point is 01:35:18 parentheses, personnel, scheme. Is that scheme going forward or scheme that has happened? Because this past scheme right was to make him an mvp basically we're going to put this whole thing on your shoulder now it's like it's talking about scheme going forward i don't want to be a handoff machine is that what he's talking about he liked because he liked shoddy he wanted to keep him you have to assume so too remember carol said he wouldn't put an emphasis on the run game yeah he loves right philosophical difference he's got a miami any yeah yes anybody hey pat anybody that comes from pete carroll's system like all they care about
Starting point is 01:35:50 is the ball like they have all these little things they say throughout the day of how we're going to take the ball away defensively and offensively we want to take care of the ball like that's the number one thing that that whole system any coach that's come from pete's system kind of has that and they put it into their team. The ball, the ball, the ball. They probably have 19 different footballs around, like stationed around the league that are on those big springs. You've got to go by and chop at it every time you walk by, like things like that.
Starting point is 01:36:14 Oh, really? Haven't you seen it? A lot of colleges have them. But, yeah, they're like balls, like footballs stuck on these springs coming out of the wall or when you're going through a doorway or whatever. I'm happy they've evolved just like dip dip rip around every you know i mean back in the day uh you just had to dip rip around every corner you would see like every guy basically like go around a corner and they're like just you know every single little wall crevice could get it you know
Starting point is 01:36:37 at any given moment just to practice natural habits i like the fact that they're putting like dummies out there okay now when you turn the corner you got to hit the guy in the face you know i mean like i like that there's balls you said out there. Now when you turn a corner, you've got to hit the guy in the face. You know what I mean? I like that there's balls. You said on springs? There's balls on springs? I don't know if Pete has that in Seattle, but I know there's definitely places that do that.
Starting point is 01:36:54 That's awesome. Anything's better than – are they going to be able to put anything in the facility to stop guys from fake backing me down into the paint when there's no hoop and no ball and all of a sudden they're backing me down like we're playing basketball oh man i used to love it they get so mad you would hate me so bad guys would try to they'd act like they were they wanted me to dm up and i would just keep walking and never even i'll tell you what the locker room got me prepared for real life though i was walking
Starting point is 01:37:21 through new york one time with my. We're walking and a kid did this to me or whatever and I fucking just straight broke down and then swatted his fake shot. Okay. He was around his crew too and me and my wife hand back in. Walk off moment just happened back there. The locker room prepared
Starting point is 01:37:40 me for that though. Because as soon as somebody walks up to you, there is a chance that it's going to, you know what I mean? There's a chance that it's gonna you know i mean there's a chance that it's gonna be before oh and then you gotta people have been got by the way with no ball you can't really call travel so that's a quite an advantage when there's no ball also in new york uh some some kid thought he was gonna get get the edge on you hit a pass set and fucking stonewalled the shit out of him i remember that as well i am all about public situations happening you You know what I mean? Especially if the other person gets it.
Starting point is 01:38:09 Like when I swatted that kid, he like buried his head. You know what I mean? It was like, hey, thanks for playing along. Yep. He knew. So you did one-on-one pass rush with a New York citizen? Yeah. A guy went to do like a, a guy went to do like a, I don't know if he's a citizen in New York.
Starting point is 01:38:23 He might've been visiting like us. We were not from there, but he did like a little bit of a rip thing i like got fucking washed down you gotta be ready for those moments they don't happen a lot that's like that's why baker and m seeing that ufo like hey they were ready for that moment that's not gonna happen you gotta be ready for those moments no they they weren't ready they need their if they need their phones out they needed video footage the only thing that would have made that pass rush better is if you would have taken a set and just pushed them right into oncoming traffic and the taxi just blasted what if it was a screen what if i treated it like a screen like all right
Starting point is 01:38:54 if you would have caught a fake if sam would have thrown you a fake ball into the street that would have been the greatest video ever. I have such ADD when I'm walking with Sam, by the way. Just like do her thing. Stop. You know what I mean? The whole. It's a blast.
Starting point is 01:39:15 Walking is one of our favorite. City walking is one of our favorite things. We find some CBD and we just kind of waltz around. It's a good time. I wonder if those will ever come back. Will that ever come back? Yeah. Will my public pass that ever come back in any other state. It's a good time. I wonder if those will ever come back. Will that ever come back? Will my public pass set ever come back in any other state? It's back. Go to Texas. Go to Mississippi. Mississippi's open as well?
Starting point is 01:39:32 Yeah. I never would have guessed Mississippi was going to be number two. Never would have guessed. It is. Full stadiums next season. Fucking Lane kiffin lane kiffin is like uh yeah you want to come play in front of fans fucking come you come right here i'm pretty sure they had like 50 000 at old miss mississippi state this year who was that steep a said he went to that browns game where they said they had 24 000 he. He was like, 24,000.
Starting point is 01:40:06 Yeah. He said it felt like a lot more than 24,000. We were talking earlier in the show before you got here about how the reopening of everything now is a whole new bag of tricks that we didn't even, you know, could have considered coming out of this whole thing. I saw in the nightly news last night the anxiety of people going back into public, and there's always going to be people that are ready to go. I think we're in an interesting time to be alive right now, Agent. Yeah, it's going to be a really weird transition because now even it's happening in Texas. Like the mask mandate is off, but then some businesses are still saying,
Starting point is 01:40:39 no, you still need to wear a mask if you're here. Like there's such a weird in-between here for probably the next year. I hope it's just for the next year, you know? Yeah, you're here like there's all like there's such a weird in between here probably the next year i hope it's just for the next year you know you're right probably longer no i hope not let's go to uh clay in boston what's going on bub what up pat how's it going to you and the boys shout out to uh foxy for that beautiful uh bet last night yeah he's got him coming again there's another one up there fade foxy odds boost is something you can find at FanDuel. It is 17-7 over the last 24 days. It is a moneymaker.
Starting point is 01:41:13 I will tell you that. Thank you very much. Oh, no, Foxy. So he's picking Michigan over Michigan State. So he's doing this strictly for himself. Foxy bet on Michigan over Michigan State tonight. He's taking Michigan State to cover the 12.5. No, that's Fade. That's F himself. Foxy bet on Michigan over Michigan State tonight. He's taking Michigan State to cover the 12 and a half. No, that's fade.
Starting point is 01:41:28 That's fade, Foxy. So Foxy's just using his mush to help. No, no, this is his scum. Clay, we don't have a lot of time, but we just found out what Foxy did. That's my first time seeing that, by the way. Foxy has direct connect to Fando
Starting point is 01:41:43 now. That's my first time seeing that, by the way. Foxy has direct connect to Fando now. That's my first time seeing that. I did not know he was using his jinxing powers to help out his alum. Wow. I finally wasn't on Hammer Down yesterday. I went 4-0. He's not allowed in the room anymore. All right, Clayton. Sorry, we only got like 30 seconds. What do you want to talk about, brother?
Starting point is 01:42:01 No worries, man. Hey, just wanted to give you a heads up on a badass documentary. I know you love the Intimidator thing. Not a NASCAR fan, but you've got to check out The Golden Hour. It is beast. It's behind the scenes of Days of Thunder and how they made that movie. Okay, thank you, Clay. Appreciate that.
Starting point is 01:42:18 I do like a good documentary. I don't know if it's going to be better than The Intimidator. I think I'm at my max of NASCAR docs, but I'll check out The Golden Hour next year. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show. The fact that you do, we are eternally grateful for. Tomorrow, great feel-good Friday. Oh, huge show tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:42:37 Hey, big show tomorrow. I'm pumped about it. So am I. Be a friend, tell a friend. Let's grow this thing as much as possible. And hey, have a great Thursday night. Ty ty please play some year of the buffalo for our boy trago please continue to send your positive thoughts and prayers for our guy jacob trago you're the buffalo's lead singer you'll hear his angelic voice here soon uh we're pulling for you brother you'll beat this thing no big deal we'll be back tomorrow feel Feel good Friday. Have a Thursday. miles to feed more than one this whole road i'm heading down again like i'd always done before these old lies i tell myself again how this time it just means more I got aches and pains
Starting point is 01:43:46 I got eyes as trained To see what I've gained In losing you I can't sleep at night I should have held you tight Thought I knew wrong from right But that ain't true You sure wrote I'm heading down again
Starting point is 01:44:10 Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again Now this time it just means more Now this time it just means more now this time it just means more You said you needed more When you walked out the door What's all the fighting for between you and me? I know I done you wrong
Starting point is 01:45:12 That's why I wrote this damn song Thought we'd just move along Too blind to see This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before These old lies I tell myself again Now this time it just means more This old road I'm heading down again Like I'd always done before
Starting point is 01:45:56 These old lies I tell myself again How this time time just means more How this time just means more How this time just means more

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