The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 374 - Are The Patriots Back?! Michael Lombardi, Pierre Garcon, AJ Dillon, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys continue to react to everything that has happened during Brinks Week so far as we are on the cusp of the new league year and free agency officially starting tomorrow, plus they dive into the Patriots signing basically everyone and whether or not they become a real threat next year. Joining the program is former GM of the Cleveland Browns, author, host of the Lombardi Line & GM Shuffle Podcast, The Daily Coach, Michael Lombardi to chat about the Patriots retooling, the piece of paper he has from Bill Belichick about building a team from 1991, what he projects for the rest of free agency, and what he thinks Bill is thinking throughout this whole process (21:51-39:12). Later, 11 year NFL veteran at WR, 2013 leader in receptions, former Colts, Football Team, and 49ers legend, Pierre Garcon joins the show to chat about his new company, what it's like being a free agent and how teams recruit players in the NFL, playing with Peyton Manning, and why he's trying to become a professional golfer (1:02:38-1:19:44). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk welcome Green Bay Packers RB, 2020 2nd round draft pick, AJ Dillon, to chat about his Oklahoma Drill with Connor, what he learned from his rookie year, taking on a larger role next year, and at what point this season things started to click for him (1:21:44-1:34:16). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up, everybody? It is Tuesday, March 16th, and you are listening to the Pat McAfee Show 2.0. Pat had to run out real quick. He had a couple business meetings, but we still got a great show for you today. Free agency, the tampering period is off to a hot start. The Patriots might be back. They've basically signed everybody. We'll talk about all that stuff, all the other free agency moves that are going around, rumors. And we have a couple great guests. If you like this show, please tell a friend to tell a friend and get into the bracket bonanza that we have going on right now. It's at $51,000 in the pot.

If it becomes the biggest bracket on the March Madness Live app, that's going to go up to $75,000. And if 50,000 or more people get into this bracket, Pat's going to give away $100,000 to the winner of the challenge. So make sure you tell a friend about that. Get in it yourself. And let's get into it. Shout out to Steve Austin. Obviously, Austin 316 is something that changed a lot of kids' lives around the world. And today we celebrate that by probably wanting at least four people off the calls whenever they call in to us today. 1-888-MADDOG6. There's a lot going on in the world right now. We are in the middle of a free agency frenzy.

Now, obviously, March Madness is about to pop off here in Indiana. We have a bracket bonanza challenge happening on the March Madness live app. $51,000 to the winner. If we become the largest bracket on the March Madness live app, which Bleach Report currently has a 23,000 person one. We're at like 16,000 or something like that. If we become the largest bracket Bonanza challenge on the March Madness live app, that'll go to $75,000 giveaway. And then if it hits 50,000 entries, which it won't. Not a chance. No way.

But if it does, we might as well celebrate. We'll give away a $100,000 prize to the person with the best bracket. That'll be judged with traditional scoring as opposed to a new underdog something scoring. We're going OG, traditional method. It is not affiliated with anybody but the NCAA. With that being said, no international entry. The NCAA said, we're all about building all of these walls. Even the internet walls.

If you're in Canada, don't even think about fucking getting into this thing if you're in australia uh estonia uh belgium and you get it anywhere where people listen to the show and watch this show you're gonna have to get a fake vpn to say you're in america but we need to get this thing up if it's the biggest on the on the app 75 grand if we get to 50 000 which it will not happen, it goes to $100,000. At least $51,000 being giveaway. Now, get in. What are you waiting for? You are going to predict the perfect bracket. But it's still going to lose because I'm going to predict the perfect bracket.

And I'm also going to guess the final score exactly right. Oh, man. No. No, you can't win. No, I'm going to win. No, you cannot win. No, I'm going to win. No, I'm going to win, so you can't win. No, you can't win. You can't win. You can't win. No, you can't win. I'm going to win. No, you cannot win. No, I'm going to win. No, I'm going to win, so you can't win.

No, you can't win. You can win your bracket. No, you're Canadian. I said it yesterday. You cannot win. You can't win. I already entered. Anyways, we have all entered.

It is a little bit of an intra-office back hole going on for who's going to have the best bracket. My wife also filled one out. She has no idea about any of the teams in the thing. She'll probably win. But that's what we're saying. We want more people in because we want that thing to get to 75,000. So if you've already entered, be a friend, tell a friend.

Let's make this thing a beautiful tradition we do annually to bet on these collegiate student human athletes uh as they play in a march madness shout to everybody that's already signed up i mean 17 000 or something like that in one day pretty good pretty good no affiliation with the app so our picture is not even up there not very easy to find pretty good never done it before pretty good pretty good yeah anyways let's talk about free agency that started really going into full effect yesterday the legal tampering period for the 2021 nfl season free agency uh frenzy started yesterday at noon a lot

of teams uh made some signings okay we learned a lot yesterday some big names got off the board and after we went off the show yesterday jamis winston going back to New Orleans. Congrats. Sean Serrania, basketball insider, broke that news. We put some pieces together. The New Orleans Pelicans NBA team in the New Orleans Saints. Same ownership, same social media. I would assume it's the same thing. Sean's got ties

in the NBA. So the NBA ties got Sean's to break the news that Jameis Winston's going back to New Orleans for a deal worth up to $12 million. There's now a quarterback competition between Taysom Hill, who got paid a four-year, $140 million deal a couple days ago. All year's voidable, so that means absolutely nothing. But Sean Payton just said this morning on the Dan Patrick Show, he said that they're

set at quarterback. They feel as if those two are going to be able to compete to go on to be their quarterback so congrats to jamis winston being the quarterback that's a big deal this is a massive deal for jamis winston who just one year ago okay one year ago couldn't find a job uh he had just led the nfl in passing yards he he had his most but he threw also like touchdowns to the other team almost just as much as he did for his own team he gets LASIK surgery he signs a one million dollar deal min deal basically to go to New Orleans within the division he says it's Harvard of of football now Sean Payton's like we want you back let's go Drew Brees crying this is

your team now I mean it's a whole thing. Good for Jameis. Good for the Saints. Can't wait to see what they pull off. Another quarterback signed yesterday, Ryan Fitzmagic, a man who came on this show and said that he had fire back inside of him after playing for the Dolphins this past season, was entering a free agency not knowing who was going to want him, who was going to want to have Fitzmagic in their uniform

and make it his ninth team in the nfl potentially well the washington football team signed him to a one-year 10 million dollar deal fitzmagic is back there's a little bit of a little bit of a conversation like he's leaning towards retirement fitzmagic is thinking about retiring and we all came out was like that sounds like bullshit guess what it was now he and Taylor Heineke, who might be the same people, different ages, not 100% sure, only got to see Taylor Heineke in one game. That earned him like a $7 million job. Now he got $10 million Fitzmagic, who's been there, done that, going into his 16th year

in the NFL, Harvard grad. In his 16th year, he's making $10 million to play quarterback. Good for Ryan Fitzmagic. Good for the Washington football team. Bud Dupree signed with the Tennessee Titans. This is massive and terrible for the AFC South. Bud Dupree, whenever he was playing for the Steelers last year, the Steelers were undefeated in their defensive line,

was literally just meeting at the quarterback. TJ Watt, Cam Hayward, Bud Dupree, they were a problem. What's his name? Tyson Alula. Alula, Alula, Alula. They were just crushing and killing people. How you doing?

Keep it moving. Offense wasn't that great a lot of games. Defense was winning those games. D-line was, Bud Dupree tears his ACL. Whole team looks very different. Now, obviously, you lose an all-pro, Pro Bowl-type talent. Your team's going to look different. But that entire team looked different whenever Bud got hurt.

I wanted him in the Indianapolis Colts uniform. Bad. Coming off an ACL, nobody knew what was really going to happen. He gets a five-year, $82.5 million deal, $35 million guaranteed to go play for the Tennessee Titans. Vrabel's got an absolute stud. million guaranteed to go play for the Tennessee Titans Vrabel's got an absolute stud let's assume science has figured out how to get him back from his ACL tear and he's going to be the same dominant player congrats to Vrabel and then when it comes to basically every other free agent that you've ever heard of okay every single one and we are now literally nine minutes in to day two of

the free agent tampering period tomorrow kicks off the league year deals are allowed to be done right now free every other free agent that you've heard of and you thought like okay i want that person on my team and they've been signed already they're at the fucking new england patriots the new england patriots have 137 million dollars in guaranteed money already on the table just in 24 hours in 10 minutes and 20 seconds they have 137 and a half million dollars in guarantees the new england patriots looked at this free agency and said these motherfuckers want to say we're dead did they see the roster we were playing with yeah it's not obviously we don't have Tom Brady, but did you see everything else? And everybody's like, well, Bill, you put that roster together.

And he's like, you're right, you're right. We're on to the fucking free agency. Do you see what we do? Day one, these motherfuckers think I'm not going to play any games. $137.5 million in guarantees. Day one for the New England Patriots in this free agency period in 2021 where Bill Belichick is potentially staring into the mirror and saying i ain't here for a long time anymore i'm here for a good time we need to turn

this thing around quick how do we do that what's an offense that was beating us a little bit okay let's go with an athletic quarterback who happened to also have double tight end sets the game is potentially changing how do we do that okay we'll bring in number 81 who played running back Okay, we'll bring in number 81 who played running back, tight end, H-back, and I believe an X receiver at one point. John U. Smith, the man who was built like a Greek god. Let's bring him in there. Everybody's like, okay, so he's got his tight end.

And Bill Belichick's like, wait a motherfucking minute. Hold on. Everybody thought Hunter Henry was the guy. We got him too. Signed Hunter Henry to the New England Patriots this morning. This is unbelievable. Now they're offense. Now you've got to bank that Cam Newton is going to be more of the good that we saw from this past season as opposed to the pretty bad that we saw this

past season. But two tight ends are an absolute weapon. Bring in Aguilar. Then they've got Kendrick Bourne. Then they've got Julian Edelman still there. Nikhil Harry now, which everybody says is a mistake in New England, allegedly three teams are now trying to trade for him, which sounds a lot like Bill Belichick.

Yeah, tell him a bunch of people fucking want McKeown. No, he's good. How many people? Yeah, three people. This offense has transformed to one day with over a hundred and some million dollars in guarantees. They also add to the defensive line. And a lot of not people talking about Henry Goose Anderson, formerly of the Jets and of the Colts.

I'm a big fan of his. That's a hell of a ball player. The New England Patriots might have got themselves back in the conversation of what team's going to do some shit in the AFC. And Bill Belichick's like, people forgot. They're going to be players, we assume, in the next couple days as well. Everybody's saying they're not done yet somehow. I don't know what else they're going to possibly do, but the moves that have been made have done one thing and one thing alone.

That has brought out the wicked awesome New England fan base that was very quiet for some time. They were trying to be respectful. Hey, it's not our time anymore. Oh, my God. Open the door of insufferability. They are back. Patriots fans, right back into thinking we're the greatest

team on earth because there's a lot of teams that could do what the Patriots did yesterday. They chose not to. Teams spend in free agency. It doesn't always work out, but you guys have full faith that the players that are coming in make you guys a contender all of a sudden. All the way back. I mean, you wanted to see this from

Bill, but more so it just reinforces the fact that he's heard everything. He's heard the noise. The Patriots are dead forever. They got to go and do a five-year rebuild. And now all of a sudden, bring in a couple tight ends, couple wide receivers. Let's fix up the D-line. I mean, it's perfect. The Patriots

are all the way back. I feel bad for the Buffalo Bills because they thought they were going to run the East for the next 20 years. And here we are. Bills Mafia. Okay. The door opened last year. Tom Brady moves out of town. The big bad wolf is gone.

This is now our team or our division. They thought maybe the Dolphins will start cooking. The Dolphins are like, don't you worry about us. We'll screw that up all along. We don't care. We'll get rid of everybody good we have. Hey, we'll take care. We understand the deal here. We know what's going on. We're not. Come on. We'll fucking. We'll get rid of everybody good we have. Hey, we'll take care. We understand the deal here.

We know what's going on. We're not. Come on. Come on. We got this. Josh Allen, first year to second year. Wow, what a jump. Second year to third year.

Holy shit. Now they got a quarterback. They got a team. They got a head coach. They got a GM that's making moves. The Buffalo Bills thought to themselves, and Bills Mafia thought, we're good. We're good for at least the next five, ten years or whatever. This is going to be us.

We got the guy now. Josh Allen. Allen Cam Newton I'm not 100% sure everybody believes is going to be the guy but I think what the moves that Bill Belichick is making right now if Cam Newton turns out not to be the guy I assume Bill will make a move like I assume Bill is in a go for broke this ain't over I'm still the best of all time I need to succeed one more time here to get everybody off my ass, basically. I'm the greatest. Here we go. I just, this mindset that Bill has, like, we are going to get better. Like, listen, if something

ain't working, we're going to get better. You said it's kind of like he heard everybody. I like the thought that this is potentially some petty signing. Like, hey, you know what? Wait till they see, wait till they want to talk shit on me. I'm going to put my dog out there. The dog will answer questions.

Okay, we'll do all this thing. But I think if it doesn't work out with Cam, they're okay with making another move middle of the season if they have to. It feels like New England is going for it. Another team that's going for it, Indianapolis Colts. What do we do? Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

I mean, we traded for a quarterback, I guess. So that's good. We got a quarterback. That's a big move. Huge. That's a big, big move. Yeah, that's awesome. But there was some other potential.

Now, granted, if you're a team and you have cap space and no money has been spent, no, there's a lot of free agents still out there. Oh, yeah. Kenny Galladay, best wide receiver in the free agent market. Everybody buy everybody except for New England's opinions, I guess, here. He's still out there. Oh, yeah. Kenny Galladay, best wide receiver in the free agent market. Everybody, by everybody except for New England's opinions, I guess, here. He's still out there. Juju Smith-Schuster. Oh, yes.

He's still out there. Trent Williams, still out there. Kyle Van Noy, still out there. Richard Sherman, still out there. There's Chris Carson, who everybody's talking about potentially going to different places. I guess the New England Patriots are also in on a running back. They're going to sign a running back today. Will it be Chris Carson or Lombardi Leonard Fournette?

I mean, there is a lot of those conversations. There's still a lot of players out there. So if you're a Colts fan like I am, or if your team has some money and they haven't done anything, I think you have to sit back and think, let's not bash them yet. But don't worry. If nothing happens with all that money, there will be bashing, I assume, from everybody

about what the fuck are we doing here because this year offers an option now granted they're signing everybody like two-year deals uh tooney goes to the chiefs obviously yesterday two-year deal it's a four-year deal but his first two years fully guaranteed so it's basically a short deal here everybody's doing that because of the opportunity with the salary cap situation you're seeing bill say fuck it let's go for it other teams are not doing it i assume today some people are going to open a pocketbook up that would so like i'm used to it because it's undig speaking by the way diehard steelers never spent any money in free agency so i'm not i'm used to it this doesn't bother me but if i'm a team like the colts who have so much money available and they're still not spending that would drive

me insane yeah it's tough it's really tough but you it's it's been really difficult i last night we were on actually twitter spaces which is a knockoff of clubhouse oh yeah which i don't think they got all the kinks out of that tech yet because i've been kicked out of my own space a few times and people got muted it was an absolute blast but that was when a lot of the new there was news go jamis sign and then this sign and then this happened and this morning you see that. It's been difficult just to sit back and be like, what are we going to? But then you have to remind yourself,

Kenny Galladay's still out there. Trent Williams, who's an absolute stud tackle from the San Francisco 49ers. Previously he was traded there. He is an absolute, he's still out there. So there's still very high end people that you can get to add to your team that immediately makes them better i mean kyle long's not really being talked about in this entire thing if he's back to form at all there's another fucking all pro

offensive lineman who was taking visits to the raiders and to the chiefs i'd assume more people be like hey let's just not necessarily take the cheapest deal of all time do you feel like you can move a little bit yeah let, let's talk about this. Indomitian Sioux potentially going back. I mean, there's a lot of big-name guys still out there. If anybody else wants to get in the market, which I assume everybody will at Tushman. Do you think this will move pretty quickly today? And do you think because the Patriots have been so aggressive, it might kind of expedite some teams saying,

okay, we need to go get this guy now? And it's very interesting because I would assume a lot of the judgment is, oh, the shitty teams, the shitty franchises are always spending money. Like, oh, it's the shitty franchises. They're the ones that spend money. We don't. Like Mike Tomlin told Chase Young this past season, which was a hilarious line,

I don't ever want to lose enough games to be able to draft you. Okay? They don't make guys like you where I want to be picking at, which is an incredible line. That mindset is kind of similar to how people view free agency. It's like we don't ever want to be in a position where we have to spend blah, blah, blah. But I think whenever Bill Belichick starts doing things, it's going to catch everybody in the NFL and go like,

you see what fucking Bill's doing? They're like, yeah, but their team stinks. It's like, yeah, but their franchise doesn't. So maybe there is a chance you can cycle through both styles here, where you can maybe have your own homegrown guys that do well, but also you can recognize an opportunity in a situation like COVID has done. Anybody that has some money, they should potentially go in there. It's what Bill's doing.

I'm not saying we should do it. i'm just saying the greatest of all time the guy that hosts the show that describes who's the greatest of all time he's the guy doing the same thing maybe we should think about it and maybe he will potentially influence others to get active but it's always like that old school mentality but now you got the oldest of old school doing something very different i'm intrigued to see how the ripple effect goes throughout the rest of the week. Yeah, because for 10 plus years, that's how Bill attacked free agency. And now out of nowhere, he's doing this. And it's throwing everyone through a loop. Because he traded for Moss.

Yeah, he traded for sure. He's made some trades. He has done that stuff. Yeah, and Moss was like a fourth rounder or something like that. And I almost got in trouble for a tweet I put out. What's that? I was like, so Randy Moss is equivalent to a potential fourth round wide receiver? Like, what are we doing?

And they're like, please don't be discussing anybody else's deals. I'm like, I mean, and then Randy went on to do. Yeah, 20 touchdowns. Yeah, and I almost wanted to do like a callback. Like, hey, I just want to let you know, maybe I should get into your job. I'm thinking this is a bad deal here for somebody. Somebody's getting fucking screwed in this thing. That's always happened.

But now that he's just like, yeah, fuck it. Okay, we only got this time. How old is he now? 68? Bill? 69, going on 70. 69, yeah. He said at one point he thought about 70 would be the finish line.

But then as he got closer to 70, he said, it's not as old as I thought it was going to be or whatever. I think he's like, we are turning this thing around very quickly. And that's why all anybody's saying in negative to all these moves is they still got Cam Newton, a quarterback, Cam Newton, quarterback. If you see what he's doing right now, before the signing day, like signing even happens, before the league, in the tampering period what he's doing, let's assume that he'll be okay to make a move if that doesn't work out again next year you know it's just like the mindset of bill right now is changing into a much more new school mindset

but it's because he is potentially in his last chapter of this entire thing it's interesting because that is going to affect everybody the Yesterday, the Patriots, and since yesterday, Trent Brown, re-signed Cam Newton, Judon, Hunter Henry, Johnnie Smith, Aguilar, Kendrick Byrne, Devon Godshow, Jalen Mills, Henry Goose Anderson, they re-signed Mr. Wise, Dante Hattower, and Patrick Chung come back off the opt-out their entire team in the matter

of 24 hours went from oh they're going to grind it out they're going to win some games, it's going to be close games all of a sudden to this team is going to win 10 games again this team is going to win 11 games somehow because of the amount of pieces they have and you just assume that Josh McDaniels

you assume Ernie Sims. Is that his name? Adams. Ernie Adams. Ernie Sims is a great athlete. Out of Florida State. Got drafted to Detroit. It wasn't played for the Eagles.

Played for the Colts. Great man. He's now a player development person, I think, for FIU, I believe, if I'm not mistaken. Shout out to Ernie Sims. Ernie Adams, though. He's there. Let's assume that they will be able

to figure out how to make this a profitable outcome in the end. But if they win games, it's going to change how everybody views free agency. Because everybody knows if somebody gets cut from the Patriots, everybody in the league wants to sign them. If it's good enough for Bill, it's good enough for me. That is a mindset for a lot of people. This could

change things entirely going forward. In a big conversation this whole season was how the draft. They're so terrible. Bill's been so terrible in the draft. But because we don't have to sign guys like the Colts do, because they've been so good in the draft, we don't have to worry about that, aside from our punter, Jake Bailey, so we can just spend all this cash on guys who are proven.

He's got, I believe, one more year left. A lot of people are tweeting, we need a punter. He's like, no, you don't. That guy is unbelievable. Stunned unbelievable he bombs balls that guy up there all the key places it feels like they got got in the nfl now in 2021 gotta have a tight end yep gotta have a good tight end now they have two stud tight ends with if cam newton can play everybody talks about how bad cam newton is and there's a couple plays that he had last year numerous plays that he had last year that were not good tough tough to watch tough to watch but there was also some plays last year where you're like oh there it is like that is that's the cam yeah and then you listen to that interview he gave on the i am athlete podcast where he's like

i'm not going out i'm not going out like that you would assume he has a lot to prove but boy that fucking patriots team i don't want to be a prisoner of the moment. I don't want to be a prisoner of the moment. But 24 hours later here, all of a sudden, the Patriots are in real conversation again. And I assume that was by design. Joining us now is a man who knows a lot about that Patriots organization. Served as an advisor, I believe, or counsel to the head coach in New England. Was a GM in the NFL.

Has worked every position in National Football League. To chit-chat about what's going on in New England and league-wide, friend of the show, author of Gridiron Genius, host of the Lombardi Line and the GM Shuffle, founder of the Daily Coach, which is an email newsletter, a man that has more jobs than any of us and succeeds at all of them pies on michael i appreciate it uh you sound bad is it going to cut out every other word you think here let's do a little test one two one two one two yeah

no we gotta call back though it's our side not yours that's a shame looks good with that switch hey he does he got a good great it was a good intro i'm not gonna be able to hit all those again you know what i mean that was that was yeah that was one of those ones like while i'm in the middle of it i'm like oh i think i can i think i can hit for a cycle here i think i can hit all you did and i crushed it i got all the way through it. I'm thankful for it. And what I just said, I can't echo that again any louder. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who... Michael Lombardi.

Thank you, Pat. It's good to be here. Good to see you. It's such a better connection. It was our fault. It's great to have you back. Let's talk. Let's dive right into it. You're a man who has done a lot of things in the NFL, but I think a lot of people are most interested by the fact that you have a close relationship with the greatest coach of all time, which is Bill Belichick. Obviously, your kid coach is up there. One of your kids' coach is up there.

You have deep ties up there. This free agency frenzy in the last 24 hours out of Bill Belichick is something that I don't think any person, maybe you did, saw coming. This is going to change the game for a lot of other people because other people are going to see Bill Belichick did it. We can start doing this. He has been a madman in spending $137.5 million in guarantees. Did you see this coming? What do you think this says about the mindset of a friend of yours, Bill Belichick?

You know, I tweeted out on Monday that they would have a different team by Friday, and I kind of truly felt they would do this. Look, they went through a tough year last year, and I think this is not just Belichick just throwing things in the shopping cart as he goes down the aisle. This is a strategic plan that he had. At the end of the year, he knew he had a team with very little skill players, no tight ends, receivers that really couldn't make plays or be dynamic, a quarterback that didn't throw the ball effectively, but ran the ball well. And so I think what he decided to do is get back to his roots, right? He needed to fix his offensive and defensive lines. He trades for Trent Brown, signs a couple guys in the defensive front to

help him, and then try to improve the skill level of his team. And what I think people are missing the boat here a little bit is there's a variance in the market. And this is all COVID related. The Patriots took a huge hit last year with all those opt outs. And they got a ton of cap room. This time last year, the Patriots had no cap room. They couldn't offer Cam Newton a full contract.

But this year, because of the opt outsouts, they are one of the few teams that has cap room. And if you notice through free agency, the only teams that are really spending any money are the teams with cap room. The Colts are the only exception. They'll get involved, I'm sure, here sooner. Jacksonville's spending money. The Jets spending money. The Bengals spending money. And so the Patriots, as they always do, when everybody zigs, they zag. When everybody zags, they zig. And so this year, they have all the money. And they can get whatever they want to get done because they have a chance.

Now, the strategic part of that is they're signing young guys in their 20s, guys that have a chance to get to their second contract or their third contract, and guys that have been durable and guys that have started games, you know, whether it's Matt Judon, whether it's Smith, whether it's Hunter Henry, these guys are young players that started games that have durability and they're going to make their roster immediately better. Now it's all going to come together and that's going to be where Belichick steps in. Okay. so you just talked about a lot of things there about the Patriots last year and the thoughts

and what they're thinking going into this thing. And it's not, you know, by the way, there's a lot of teams that have money every offseason, but their, you know, their philosophy is we're not going to go out and spend or overspend. We're not going to do this. We're going to do what we got to do. The fact that Bill Belichick,

the man who is at the top of everybody's football, the fact that he's going all in and doing this, I think this will have a ripple effect years down the road. It's like, hey, remember Bill, whenever he built his last team, he went all in, built that team from cash and everything like that. Is this a turning of the tide, you think, in the NFL, that a lot more people will start to do this as the salary cap goes up to $250 million, they're saying in five

years from now but you know i think three years from now these deals won't look that bad i think this i think that there were so few teams in competition for some of these players even though he overpaid it wasn't an overpayment to where you would typically see had there been a bunch of teams with cap room because teams are so tight on cap room, the marketplace and the agents are willing to take deals. I mean, Will Fuller's trying to hold out for a huge deal. Nobody wants to pay him that money because he's an eight-game starter. He's not 16. And that's what's going on with the receiver market.

That's why we're having a little bit of congestion there. But for the most part, these agents have decided, look, this is no market. There's no other team getting money. I better take the deal. It's a good deal. It's an overpaid deal. Maybe it's not a top echelon deal, but I'll take it. Look, Warren Buffett and Belichick have a lot in common, and they constantly go against the grain. And I think this is one of those instances where Belichick felt like, I got to make my team better, but the value of my team isn't very good in terms of the felt like, I've got to make my team better, but the value of my team isn't very good in terms of the skill level. I've got to improve.

And we see Buffett do that sometimes when he makes his own company. People say, why would he buy that company? And three years later, it looks like the right idea. Shout-out Warren Buffett creating Sirius, basically, as his own radio because he wanted to build more cars, which he owns all of them. So, congrats. Shout-out Warren Buffett for helping us out directly. Lombardi. So, you know, know for me my weight comes in phases okay my weight my body weight all right

and i'll get publicly body shamed because i'm a person who's on the camera every single day so people get to see me you know at different versions of me and i hear it and it actually motivates me into like okay i gotta get down so that i can inevitably get up because if I keep getting up these tweets are going to come in bulk and I don't want that in my life okay so it's it's actually now I don't think people should do it to other people but for me it's actually a nice little motivation like they're right I'm going to do this you think Bill Belichick heard everybody saying this guy stinks do you think he heard everybody saying that the Patriots were going to suck forever I don't know Bill Belichick at all but I would assume there is a chance that he did hear what people were saying

and he goes, oh, is that right? Now, that might be a misread by me because I do not know him, but do you think he heard all that? And does that factor into any of his, you know, like we need to expedite this whole process of getting back to greatness? I think what he saw was a bad team last year. He knew it. I mean, he knew it,

but he was hamstrung. He couldn't do anything. I think when you read his quotes about how they and he couldn't really change the cap. I think no one needed to tell him his team was terrible last year. No one needed to tell him that you can't play Ryan Izzo as you're starting tight end. That's all he had. No one needed to tell him that, you know, his skill players just weren't dynamic and could make plays. So I think he's a realist. The one thing about Belichick that I've always admired about him is you could tell him the truth, and he doesn't want to hear some superlatives that you throw his direction. He wants you to tell him the truth.

And the truth was, they're no good. I think any other coach coaching that team would have won three games. He won seven. And so I think it was one of his better coaching jobs with really a very untalented, undescriptive team. And I think he realized he had to do it. Look, would he rather bottom fish? He'll start bottom fishing now, sure. But he needed to get better. And he strategically got better. The middle of the field. When he came into Cleveland in 1991, he handed me a piece of paper. And on that piece of paper, when he came into cleveland in 1991 he handed me a piece of paper and on that piece of paper when he goes in the hall of fame i'll give it to the hall of fame

it said basically how he wanted to build a team with the ability to control the football field down the middle that's all he's done do you have a picture of that do you have a picture of that piece of paper i probably yeah i do it's in my office downtown i'll i'll pitch i'll set a picture of it to you yeah you, you should tweet that. Yeah, you should tweet that out because that is how he's building this team right now. It's in the middle, right? It's really not a secret. It's really straight down the middle where the tight ends control.

Tight ends in football are like the Knights in the chess game. They're so versatile. They can do so much. So if Belichick gets in 12 personnel with Smith and Hunter, Henry, now do you play nickel to that? Do you play base to that? How do you want to match up? The fucking screen game.

So there's all different variations. Bro, the screen game, they're allegedly in for a running back right now, Chris Carson, potentially Leonard Fournette. Do you think they'll get one of those? I don't want to be those two guys. The guy that I think is a target for teams to go get is, and I

can't believe Denver did this, is Phillip Lindsay. Phillip Lindsay is the West Welker. Now, here's the other part I wanted to make today before we get there. In 2004, or 2005, the Patriots lost to your Colts, Pat, in a conference championship game.

Hell yeah. Remember? I was in high school. After the game, they had a fight in Hawaii because back then you had a coach in the pro ball if you lost the conference championship game. When they got to Hawaii, there was not a vacation for those Patriot coaches. They were meeting every morning at 6 o'clock. And they were going over their team. And they were preparing for the next year. And they came out of those meetings with a strategic plan. And that plan included Wes Welker. That's how Wes Welker got there. So what he's doing this

year is no different than what he did years ago. People just don't remember it. So I think that's the case. And I think this is what you'll see see the running back lindsey how they only tendered him his first right of refusal it opens up a possibility some team can come off from a one year cap number at seven million and how do the broncos match that he's a great nickelback a great running back that i think people go after the other guy mike davis at chicago i think he's an outstanding player i would look at those two guys first, so they're saying they're going to add a running back up there in New England. There's a bunch of guys that are still available with— The running back is nonexistent.

Nobody wants to pay for a back. I mean, Aaron Jones is a weapon. He's not a running back. He's a weapon. I've said that many times. He got paid because he can influence the passing game. That's why I like Lindsey so much. You think Kyle Van Noy is going back to New England?

No. I did not hear that. He might be, but I haven't heard that. Why do you – now, okay, so like Bud Dupree gets paid to go down to – is there a break? Do we have a break? Here we go. Let's do it.

Yeah, let's do it. Oh. Okay. Okay. Somebody just got paid lombardi is it a new england patriot is it another player my sports update ravens are bringing back one of their own re-signing linebacker tyus bauer bowser to a four-year 22 million dollar deal with 12 million guarantees per cap on nfl former second roundround pick in 2017. Okay, congrats to Tyus. Getting paid, Mr. Bowser. Okay, let's get back to I mean, that's big money. Good for him. They just lost Judon. They're going to have to make some other moves, I believe.

They brought in a guard because replacing Yonda is going to be very difficult. Let's do that with the Patriots. They lose Tooney. That's a big deal, is it not? How do you think Bill goes around that whole operation with the offensive line? Well, you know, he's got Shaq Mason at at one guard he's got the kid from michigan i can't pronounce his name he'll be the starting left guard the question is center right i think with them signing hunter henry it may not allow them to sign david andrews back day i think david

andrews could end up in miami and if that's the case then i think the patriots will sign either ted caris or they'll sign rodney hud. They'll sign somebody who becomes available at center, Dan Freeney. I don't know who. And then they'll plug him in at center. I think they made a decision that where are they going with Andrews, where are they going with Hunter Henry. They can't sign everybody. Took the guy that could put the ball in the end zone.

Congrats to Bowser, by the way. What do you got, Connor? Mike on Wenu. Unbelievable at guard. Michigan guy. Big boy. But Michael Lombardi, what is the deal with Cam? If he comes out and plays so-so, will Belichick go after a QB

or also will they draft a QB now in the first round? You know, I think the two things, it's a great question. So Cam's $14 million deal. So all these deals we read about online, they're all coming from the agents. So they're always higher than what we ever really think until we see the deal can't it was 14 million it really ends up being three and a half million of guarantees right so i don't think cam was guaranteed anything other than you can compete do i think the page will draft the quarterback i don't think there's any doubt if they like one they'll take one do i think they move up to get one i wouldn't be surprised if they did if they like one so they really don't like that the only part of pison pison the only the only reaction

that has been negative to all these moves now granted a lot of people are talking about how they would have never paid these players this amount of money but those people never had to put together an actual team only fantasy team so it's kind of a little bit different but when it comes to everybody's name they're like if cam newton plays the way he played last year they got no chance and to connor what he was alluding to there it's nice to hear you bill will go get another quarterback right he's not scared at all to go ahead like cam newton is going to have to compete you think like you have an outright he's going to have to compete for that role which by the way is big news do you think that's a free agent somebody do you think that'sidham? Do you think they're potentially going to go?

Like, how do you think that plays out? I think it's still yet to be determined. I mean, let's say, you know, I don't know if they can afford Jimmy Garoppolo now based on where he is in his cap. So it may not be a guy like Garoppolo at a high cap number, but I don't know who it could be. It could be a draft choice. More than likely, it'll be a draft choice.

But I think everybody all these guys they sign they're going to have to come in and earn their right and compete even though they got big money they're going to have to earn their job they're not just going to be giving it that's going to be the first staff that's going to be the first meeting they all go to is fellas i don't care how much you make the best players are going to play and i think that's what he'll do so yeah i think. And he means that, too. I think their feeling with Cam was, yes, early in the year he played better. They had no weapons.

They want to give him a chance to have some weapons to see if he can play better. He means that, too. Like, it doesn't matter how much we pay you, you'll get the job if you're the best because a lot of people say that, and that's complete bullshit. I feel like Belichick's like, hey, listen, at this stage, I've already had enough L's, allegedly. If you were an L, go ahead and get out, go ahead and get out. What do you think happens with Sam Darnold before we let you go? I know you probably have a good network of people you still talk to around the NFL. It is reported that eight teams were interested in Sam Darnold. Do you feel like that's bullshit? That's real? You think that they're going to move on? What

do you think is going to happen with Sam Darnold? I mean, I think they want a high second-round pick, somewhere between 33 and 39. Then they want a player. I think that's the asking price. Now, if somebody wants to give them a low one, I'm sure they'll take that. But I think that's the ask right now. I know of one team that's really nibbling around it very much. I think the question really comes in, are they going to take Zach Wilson?

Do they like Zach Wilson that much better than Sam Darnold? I think that's the real conversation. So we'll see. I think you can have Sam Darnold. I think there's talk about internally how much better is Zach Wilson. That's what Joe Douglas is getting paid $6 million a year for. He's got to figure out who's really better. Is Zach Wilson significantly better than Darnold, or would i be better off taking the tackle from oregon and having the

two best offensive linemen at tackle in the nfl and building my team that way i think that's the decision he has to make well it sounds like you made your decision there if you were i i really have i mean i think that look i like zach wilson but i think that, look, as I've said before, the greatest coach in the history of the sport, Don Shula, had Dan Marino from the time he was 24 to he was 29. They didn't make the playoffs. The NFL is more than just a quarterback. It's a complete team. You had Peyton Manning.

There's no greater player than Peyton Manning. He went to three conference championship games in his 12 years at the Colts. That's light. That's not enough. He should have been to every conference championship game. He's that great. So you need a great team around him. Did you just say you just took some shots there at the Colts organization?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We heard it. Because I think what happens is you get caught up in, you know, you think the quarterback, everybody thinks, you know, what's the question everybody asks you? Can this guy lead us to to a super bowl and what i'm trying to say with that statement is not even the great peyton manning can lead you to a super bowl got it got it i mean he did win a couple but you're saying you need an entire team this is a team you need you need all it's all got to come together hey it's the greatest team sport in the world ladies Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate a man who's a part of our team,

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Patriots team still. His son coaches there. I'd assume he still has some chats with Bill Belichick. And he talked about how when he first met Bill in 1991 at the Cleveland Browns organization, Bill Belichick basically wrote a manifesto on how he feels like the team will succeed. I assume Lombardi was in the personnel department. This is what we want. And in there, he talked about the middle of the field.

Like, hey, we need to do this. New England has built their team completely up and completely differently than it was supposed to be in everybody's eyes. They've paid $137.5 million dollars in guarantees over the last 25 hours three minutes and 42 seconds it is unbelievable what's going on new england i'm happy for the guys getting paid but we might see said seismic shift that old buddy was talking about in arizona with some of these free agents still big names on the board kenny Galladay still out there. Trent Williams is still out there. Juju Smith-Schuster is still out there.

Kyle Van Noy is still out there. Richard Sherman is still out there. Patrick Peterson is still out there. Shaq Griffin just got signed to the Jacksonville Jaguars, who have been very active in this game. Speaking of active, being back active, Kyle long is still available and a free agent at this point there's a lot of names out there that people melvin ingram is still i mean there is a lot of big names out there let's just assume they're all going to go to new england at this point yeah are you surprised by the fact that uh will fuller was asking for a bigger deal this year with the cap being down no i respect that i mean i mean that's what you're gonna do like hey i'm a free agent i like a bigger deal this is what we're doing and i assume by the way people only make excuses if

it doesn't fit what they want to do so now negotiation is always going to be negotiations but if a team wanted will fuller now this is what lombardi told us right is that will fuller was asking for a bigger deal and that's kind of holding up the entire wide receiver market haven't seen many big splashes other than agalar and in born but the golladay's ty hilton juju will fuller there's still a lot of wide receivers out there he said there's a log jam because what will fuller's asking for is not you know available in the current market with where the salary cap is with uncle covet and salary cap going down 15 and a half million dollars so the interesting thing is how long will will fuller will fuller do that let's assume then he's only going to sign a one-year deal because he wants to hit actual free

agency a year from now and i thought about that and we talked about that a couple times here over the last week it's like if you're a guy who this is your first time becoming a free agent you're about to get paid you think in the salary cap does what it does, and the world is what it is. And although anybody can make a contract happen, we're watching that with voidable years and all that shit, it is a much easier way to make money whenever the free agency frenzy is a real one and it's not just a couple teams that are in play. And it seems like that's going to happen next year, the year going forward.

If you believe what's going on in Texas, there's a full stadium for the Rangers. Down in Florida, there's going to be a full arena in Jacksonville for UFC. I mean, there is just allegedly a lot more money coming. I would sign a one-year deal. I'm amazed that all these long-term deals are happening. Congrats to the teams for making them happen, and congrats to the agents.

But if you're Will Fuller, I mean, you're definitely asking for a long deal. Yeah, I would. Oh, no! Are you serious? What? Oh, my God. This has been a week where people have been getting paid.

This has been a happy week. All those years of training, all those years of practice, the missed parties in high school, the early morning runs, all of this comes to getting paid, and that's what the Brinks Week is all about. That followed last week, which is what we just saw when that Grim Reaper would come out, and people were getting cut out of nowhere. People were getting fired.

Contracts were getting ripped to shreds that everybody thought could never happen. Now, Evan Fox in the back room is saying, from the clods, the Grim Reaper Master Week has rolled into another week. What happened? At MySportsUpdate, Vikings are expected to release veteran D-tackle Shamar Steven after adding Dolvin Tomlinson per Kaplan. Started all 16 games last season. Moved saves $3.7 million in salary cap space.

Oh, no. Sorry about Shamar, dude. I mean, to be honest i mean i love what shemar is doing i'm not 100 sure i knew he he was on the vikings and that he was potentially going to be 3.7 million dollars next year and that's on us we should do some more research but look for you know for every, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Bingo. Right?

Yep. So in this free agency world, when you're seeing all these signings, there's a chance, right, that what goes up must come down. There's going to have to be some equaling out, balancing the checkbooks on the other side. So I think what we're potentially just all realizing here together is that although Brinks Week is a happy one, I feel like when the Brinks truck comes to one door,

every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. Massacre Week will continue, won't it? No. The Reaper. Shamar. Got it. He'll get picked up soon. He will.

Started all 16 games last year. Yeah. $3.7 million, started all 16 games. He'll get picked up soon he will started all 16 games last year yeah 3.7 million dollars started all 16 games he'll get a job he'll be back out there yeah and all these other guys

that are inevitably going to get cut too and continue basket week you guys are good enough they're going to find jobs you guys are good enough players yeah now you're going to have

to prove yourself again which you probably didn't think was going to happen because you were going to be a multi-millionaire yet again the next year and that's what a deal said that you made with a franchise you're going to me this i'm gonna do this and they said no

well you will but not anymore okay you'll do that somewhere else that you'll get a job somewhere but boy you know for every up there's a done unfortunately and that's kind of this world, isn't it? Man. Einstein. Damn shame. E equals MC squared. Wow. Well done. Anyways, let's go to the phones, I guess. Man, everything was so positive. I know. People getting paid.

I mean, that just smacked. Oh! We are back! Let's take some money. Hey, dreams coming true. Who got paid? Who got signed? Via Tom Pelissero, the arrow, the Chargers have re-signed kicker,

the Money Badger, Mike Badgley, to a one-year deal per source. The Money Badger stays in L.A. Congrats. Congrats, Money Badger. He's going to be back. It's great to see positive stuff. When you really dive into that contract, not necessarily great for the money badger. Okay, one year deal, another proof year. I'd assume the guarantees aren't high.

Going to have to make the team. Going to have to compete. But if the money badger can get back to kicking how he was kicking, you know, whenever he was absolutely slaughtering footballs in the Chargers like we have our guy for the next 10 years, that'll be good news. Had some downs last year. Chargers were potentially in the market for a new kicker, everybody thought.

Bring the money badger back. Straight out of the U. Let him prove himself again. Then he'll get a deal next year. Good for the Money Badger. Yeah, baby, Money Badger. Good work, baby. He has an interesting swing. His swing is an interesting one. How so? He kind of sits back a little bit, parks it, and

he does kill balls when he hits them. Slaughters them. Slaughters them. he was with the Colts let him go training camp yeah Vinatieri I think he was

with Vinatieri which is always good for people I don't know how much you can learn about you know battling through some potential business

of the NFL or potential uncertainty which comes with every kick I don't know how you learn that from going through a training camp with Vinatieri or something like that

but there's other things. Robbie Gold, I mean, Brandon McManus, Cody Parkey. Yeah. Shout-out Bears. Shout-out Bears. Bear Don. You know, the Bears aren't really doing much, huh? Not much, yeah.

Well, hold on. I heard about what you're about to say. They are circling around Andy Dalton. You're saying they're sniffing around? They're sniffing around? Wow. That'd be huge. You smell the gunpowder?

Listen, everybody talks about the gunpowder for the Red Rocket. Everybody talks about and wants to talk about Andy Dalton strictly because of his hair killer. Strictly because he was with the fucking Bengals for a long time and succeeded with them. You got to remember Andy Dalton got flattened, paved, rolled over as quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. Nobody helped him up.

What did Andy Dalton do? Got back on that horse, became cowboy again, gets in the huddle. They start winning games. In the middle of, in the midst of gets in the huddle, they start winning games. In the midst of absolute chaos down there in Dallas, Andy Dalton starts winning games. Guess what he did in Cincinnati?

No indoor practice facility. They gave Hendrickson $60 million or something like that. Congrats to him, by the way, on the Bengals. $32 million guaranteed or something like that. $60 million. I had no idea there was that much money in the Bengals organization because if they're doing that for a great pass rusher last season

for the New Orleans Saints, if they're doing that, you've got to think they're building an indoor facility at some point for these guys to train and get those extra reps. Shout out to the Who Day. Yeah, Who Day Nation. The Bengals organization seems to be buying in a little bit. If they're spending 60 million on him you got to think that they're going to at least build an indoor facility which

takes me back to the point andy dalton was winning games with the bangles team when the organization didn't even try to win i would assume that and dalton still got some good football left in him now is any dalton deshaun watson which was allegedly going to be a bear at one point is he russell wilson which was allegedly going to be a Bear at one point? Is he Russell Wilson, which was allegedly going to be a Bear at one point very recently? I would assume that a lot of people are saying, oh, no, no, no. But Andy Dalton would not do what Foles and Trubisky did last year in that Bears offense. I would like to say that would be an upgrade. Andy Dalton would be an upgrade over Mitchell Trubisky, how he played last year.

Not his potential. Mitchell Trubisky, how he played last year. Not his potential. Mitchell Trubisky has the potential to be Maserati Mitch. MVP Mitch, okay? Nickelodeon's valuable player, okay? I think he has the potential to be great. Andy Dalton's going to come in there, and he's going to do what Andy Dalton does. That's all he does. You have no idea what's coming with Mitch.

You have no idea what's coming with Foles. You have no clue what's happening. Andy Dalton would be quite an upgrade, but he is not what they thought they were getting just a day or two ago. You have no idea what's coming with Mitch. You have no idea what's coming with Foles. You have no clue what's happening. Andy Dalton would be quite an upgrade, but he is not what they thought they were getting just a day or two ago. That was Russell fucking Wilson. Well, he's a nice consolation prize. You think you're getting Rush.

You think you're getting Deshaun. But, hey, we still got Dalton. Guess what? If they need a guy to go out and go 9-8 next year, Dalton can do that. Dalton's their guy. Yes, he can. He's their guy. This is when you go to the county fair and they ran out of the teddy bears, the big ones, and they give you a fish instead.

It's the equivalents. You know what? Those goldfish, by the way, those goldfish are real. No, I'm talking about the beta fish. Oh, you're talking about the ones that just die. Geats. Not the alpha fish. Those are weird.

Not the alpha one. Well, it depends. As long as you have them in the right water. Those things are real tough around other fish. You should see them in water that isn't perfect to their standards they die chicago water not good for andy dalton i think that beta fish that you're referring to is andy dalton because you're saying he's uh downgrade from the big stuffy fluffy animal at the carnival that was russell wilson i think that's rude andy dalton swims in any river that's right bring him that's right i mean hey the atlantic ocean would

love andy dalton bring him to new england he'd be a perfect guy for Cam to go head-to-head with every day. And you could probably get him $5, $6 million. At most. That's the max right there. Well, we don't know what any of these deals are. Remember, Michael Lombardi said they'll put out that a deal is worth $14 million, and it's actually $3 million. So it's a lot of lying.

What's going on? Another day when you just got to wait a little bit. Yeah, they'll turn on Cam. But he is out on camp yeah not at all yeah you are i'm gonna grab the jersey right now from day one of cam newton being announced as the patriots quarterback you were out on cam being the patriots quarterback day one stoddum i mean he coming back up stoddum remember that that's what you said day one i taped taped over the Brady jersey for Cam Newton. I was in on Newton from day one, but I'm more in on competition.

We're talking about on the outside. I'm more in on competition. Yeah, but we're talking about you on the outside. But I love competition. You put a jersey on that doesn't cover out how you feel on the inside. Well, I love competition on the inside. No, but on the inside,

you're not bought in on Cam Newton. I'm bought in on him. You're buying the jersey. Yeah. You're right. You're competing with him. Yeah, you didn't even think that Cam Newton deserved I bought it on the Patriot. You're buying the jersey. Yeah. You're right. He's competing with him. Yeah, you didn't even think that Cam Newton deserved the number one because Pat the Patriot is the elder statesman on the team

who wears the number one. Now, I want to say, you can put all these jerseys on, okay? You can do all the liking on every iconic Saga production that is out there. You can do that, okay? And you can go in the comments section and be like, let's go, Cam. Love you, Cam. Love you, Cam. You can do all that. But inside, can go in the comments section. Let's go, Cam. Love you, Cam. Love you, Cam. You can do all that.

But inside, when a moment pops up for you to showcase whether or not you're all in on Cam Newton, you're out on him. And by the way, you're not the only one. I think a lot of people are saying that. You shouldn't feel that bad, but we just don't want to hear the Fugazi bullshit around the office about you loving Cam Newton. No Fugazi bullshit. I love winning. And guess what? We didn't do a whole lot of that last year.

You know, we can go back to the eight touchdowns, ten picks. But like Lombardi said, we're throwing to Izzo at tight end. Here we go. We got a whole new team. When Cam Newton comes out and he dices every single defense in the league, we're going to have a whole new competition. Okay, so I just want everybody to know that somehow, in this particular studio right now,

everybody but the Patriot fan is on Team Cam Newton. That's interesting. I'm the only one with the jersey, though. Well, that's what we're saying. I love competition. Look, boys, I don't know how many times I have to say, I love competition, I love competition, I love competition. If we have another quarterback who comes in and plays better than Cam,

that's my quarterback. If we have another quarterback that comes in and plays worse than Cam, that's my quarterback. If we have another quarterback that comes in and plays worse than Cam, Cam's my quarterback. Competition. I understand. I understand. You have no loyalty with Cam Newton. I understand.

My loyalty resides with Bill Belichick. By the way, stick with it. But Bill has also come out and said that, you know, he's not the quarterback position we might not be done. He said that last year during that draft show, Rich Eisen asked him a question, and they had a said that last year during that draft show. Rich Eisen asked him a question. And they had a good reporter because they did that 100 show. And he asked about the quarterback room.

And he basically just ratted off a bunch of things. And it alluded to the fact we are not done in the quarterback room. Like whatever just happened. I assume he will not be done at all. But what we're saying to you is enough with the Cam Newton bullshit out here whenever we're not in the show about how, you know, like, oh, he's going to do this. He's going to slice and dice the entire NFL. You're like, let's bring in some competition for him.

Let's try to get him out of his job. It's never going to stop. I'm sorry. I'm just going to tell you guys now. It won't stop. Pressure makes diamonds and competition builds pressure and we need competition. Diamonds. You should have. That would have been. God.

Pretty good. Come on. Be as is, dude. That would have been God We already got him Yeah Yeah Hey pretty good Come on Be as is dude Be as is Don't forget Let's go to Amar in Seattle What's going on Amar Boys

Boys I'm up here in the top left Part of the country The sun is out I'm gonna crack open A cold one What Cam Newton

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Aguilar and to cap it off, Russ and Team 3-1 at and I'm here for it baby I was a little personal there at the end because he is in Seattle and he's kind of dancing on the graves of the Seahawks fans who want Russell Wilson out of there. Very interesting to hear a caller be that confident, that smooth, right into a what? Chan here on 316. Shout out to him, Mark.

Good call. It does feel like everybody on earth, doesn't matter where you live, if it's from Maine to Florida to the southern tips of California to the northern tips of Washington or Oregon. Oregon's in between them. Oregon's below Washington. Yeah, which is in California. By the way, younger me would have thought California straight to Washington, by the way. I would have thought Oregon a little bit inland. Turns out Oregon's got a pretty beautiful little coast there.

Beautiful drive. Yeah, do some meth up there. All good. Anything you want. Anything you want. But all the way up to Seattle, the northern left part, and all the towns in between, not happy about what's going on in New England.

Nobody's happy about what's going on in New England right now. He's pumped because he's a Patriots fan, but he's just rubbing it in everybody else's face like every other Patriot fan is doing right now do you think we're actually going to see anything happen with Russell Wilson here soon what's that do you think we'll actually see anything happen with Russell Wilson here so I I would uh I would assume that the answer to that is is a no I would assume that that's not going to happen immediately this could potentially be a fallout situation after free agency signing you know like where's everybody sitting but then did we think what new england

did yesterday was ever going to happen no way yesterday what new england did came out of nowhere because nobody knows bill like that they keep that shit locked so tight when he started just spending it was like oh my god almost like like we had no idea so if russell was dealt i think we would have the same amount of surprise as what happened yesterday but i think inevitably it has to happen i just the deshaun watson thing that's him and the owner they don't like each other the head coach has obviously had to answer a bunch of questions about this and he hasn't even coached the guy yet he does he's had one meeting with him where he tried to talk about but deshaun i think his bigger problem is with who who's who owns the building not who's in the building right who's in

the locker room and in the everything like that I think that one's more repairable in Houston than this Russell Wilson stuff is because of how much public beef it has been between Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson now this might all be bullshit by the way way. It might all be complete, fabricated nonsense, which happens in the NFL all the time, especially with the internet, where it's like the telephone game, where one thing is said and then it's boom, boom, boom. But they have not come out and said this is not true. Nobody's come out and said it.

I'm not saying it's fair to them that they would have to come out and say it's not true to something that's fake, but that's what happens when you're one of the 32 NFL head coaches and one of the top five quarterbacks of all time allegedly coming out. That stuff is going to have to be talked about. I don't know if that one's repairable. I think Russell Wilson moving is much more likely than Deshaun Watson,

but I don't know when it's going to happen. Do you wait for teams to figure out what their salary cap is? Probably if you're Seattle, it's like, well, it has to happen before the draft because we've got to do that. I mean, there is so much that comes into play there, and I think a lot of it is also revolving around them having, what, to pay $40 million in dead cap space next year if he's traded. And unfortunately, his list of teams is running out.

Yeah, Chicago. That's it. Unless the Saints, I mean. Well, Chicago, those fans. I mean, we just talked about it. They had Russell Wilson three days ago. Yeah. I mean, we just talked about it. Burn it. They had Russell Wilson three days ago. Yeah.

The people are turning on Russ as well. Where, in Seattle? Yeah. The 12s have had enough. You know, the 12s, by the way, pretty powerful entity over there. It's not the same Russ they knew, unfortunately. Whoa, whoa, whoa. We don't know.

We don't know what you're saying right there. Now, listen, that is a vicious attack on the character that is russell wilson place he has changed my friend oh wow they would pick or they would pick pete carroll over russell wilson absolutely that's wild well then you got to think about the relationship that pete carroll has with schneider schneider uh schneider yeah yeah s-c-h-n-e-i-d-r right john schneider pete carroll and schneider's relationship probably much tighter i believe they're very then schneider's relationship with russell wilson right pete carroll talks to schneider probably every single day they talk

about how they're hand in hand at one point i think there was a rumor that pete carroll was actually making the personal decisions and it came out no we just worked very well together if those two have the owner's ear you know what i mean i wonder you know because that's who would have to make that decision is the owner the owner has to go we pick in russell wilson or we pick him pete fucking carol and if those two have a relationship with the owner which they probably do because moves have to get made business decisions that i would assume russell is loved by the owner okay i appreciate everything you know but how tight is the relationship do they you know what i mean i just you gotta think about personal just like cal mcnerney you gotta think about like

humans are making these decisions at the end of the day and how are those relationships set up how deep are they if he picked russell wilson over pete carroll and the next head coach wasn't good it's like there's you just got to think about all the potential fallback bullshit of that decision because russell wilson versus pete carroll became an anonymous source headline here what the last three weeks or whatever that one anonymous source who came out and buried russell wilson in name of pete carroll like what do you think pete carroll blah blah blah that was a pretty vicious oh yeah shot yeah and it was it was you didn't hear anybody come out afterwards. Like Pete Carroll, I didn't know who said that.

Maybe he didn't. Maybe we missed. I didn't know who said that. That is not how we feel, blah, blah, blah. And Russell, after his team said something, he went and did an interview. It wasn't like he was like, and nobody speaks for me. That isn't me. So it's like that is a reality TV show going on right now in Seattle

and in Houston, I guess. It will be interesting, too, because because with the owner, you said, I'm sure Russell had a great relationship with Paul Allen, but then when he died and it's his daughter who's taking over the team, has she been involved at all? Do they have any kind of relationship? Does she have any ties to him? Because if she doesn't, it makes it probably a little bit easier to be like,

all right, fuck it, get him out of town. Yeah. $40 million cap hit, though, for no reason. Are you serious? Yeah, we'll eat it. What? $40 million one year? Yeah.

That's a lot of money. Yeah, but, and then Schneider and Pete start drawing out, yeah, but we can kind of, and other teams have this. And if that's happening, by the way, what a toxic situation in Seattle. Yeah. If these conversations are happening, this is absolutely terrible. This is all us, you know all just what potentially could be. Conjecture.

I don't want people saying that we think that's actually happening. No. It could be happening. This could be happening. It's possible. You know what else is possible? We have a guest joining us now who might be in my top three teammates of all time. Like humans that I enjoyed as a human. who might be in my top three teammates of all time,

like humans, that I enjoyed as a human. This guy, one of the most criminally underrated wide receivers in NFL history, straight out of Mount Union, ladies and gentlemen, Pierre Garçon. What up, dude? What's up, Pat? How you doing, man? I love the intro. Hey, you What up, dude? What's up, Pat? How you doing, man?

Love the intro. Hey, you deserved it, dude. You never cared about that type of thing. You know what I mean? I think coming out of Mount Union, you were just like, hey, chip on my shoulder, I'm a hard work. I'm not going to worry about what everybody else is saying.

But as I've gone into this world, nobody really talked about Pierre Garçon as they should have. I think you deserve better. It was an honor being your teammate. Now, let's talk about some things here real quick that you've got into post-football. Your golf game looks like you're not going to be too shitty. You're getting really into that? I'm working on it, man.

It is very, very tough, but I'm working on it. Golf is harder than football. Do you think you have a chance of being great, though? Is there any moments where you hit some good shots? You're like, I got it. I figured this out. Man, that happens every day because there's one good shot. I carried it 300 yards, and I was like, oh, man. That was good.

But I can't do it consistently like the guys on TV, but I'm watching those guys. I'm taking notes, and I'm practicing. It's something I want to do in the future. Are you trying to become great at golf? I'm trying. I'm watching those guys. I'm taking notes and I'm practicing. It's something I want to do in the future. Are you trying to become great at golf? I'm trying. I'm trying. I got free time.

There's a lot of golf courses down here in Miami and West Palm Beach. So I'm after it. Okay. It is March 16th, 2021. You just said that you're going to try to master golf. If he makes it onto the PGA here, it started right here. Future us. We knew it was going to fucking happen. We knew it was going to try to master golf if he makes it onto the pga here it started right here future us we knew it was going to fucking happen we knew it was going to happen congrats man uh that's awesome

you're also into you're an entrepreneur now you have speed aid compression which we got some at the office by the way i was never into the compression socks i don't fully understand what they do i'll put them on though and i feel like I'm faster. How did you get into this? What do they do, Pierre? Oh man, we, well, you know as you know, we travel across the country a lot playing football and our training staff gives us compression socks to wear for our swelling knees and swelling ankles

and we know good quality. I had to wear them for 11 years because I actually had to run on the football field and get tackled and get hurt at the ice tub and all that. When I couldn't ice tub to keep the blood flowing to heal, I wore compression socks. And I actually started liking them even more and more, started looking forward to compression socks. And I wore them in games. I wore them, you know, during the offseason. I wear them now when I'm walking around on the golf course.

I'm walking a lot more than that. So I'm definitely, you know, it's definitely aiding me and helping me stay healthy. and that's definitely aiding me and helping me stay healthy and the blood flow is keeping me less achy and less soreness to tell you the truth. If I wear these am I going to lose weight? Yes, you will lose weight.

You will move faster. Because I'll feel better because then I'll want to move more, right? It's going to help the boomstick get back to where it's at. Hey, this thing used to be worth a fuck didn't it i mean it used to be it used to be worth something uh let's go back congrats on speed a compression by the way i appreciate it man please check me out it's on amazon so please help me out guys i really appreciate it and by the way i think people only think like uh like if you're hurt you need it or something like that because it used to be like a big rehab thing. It's like, you know,

you wear that day to day a little bit. It helps out a lot. The trainers push it like a, I mean, it is pushed very highly. Congrats. You getting in there and know what you're talking about now, right now. Hey, no problem right now, Pierre, we're in the middle of a free agency frenzy. You were a free agent after, after you left the colts you go to washington obviously and i remember i remember there was conversations like oh we're not going to be able to afford pierre like he's not going to come back it was a bum but it's a part of the business when you became a free agent what was your mindset and how did you end up you know ending up where you went after you left indianapolis um phrase it's it's what's changed now from back then so it's

really like recruiting you get notice of who's interested in you before free agency opens up. But, you know, you kind of have your perception or you have the idea of where you're going to end up at and what their what cash rate that they have. What offer they bring to you is what they bring to you. But you kind of have an idea to to expect something from, you know, other teams outside of your current team. How did they recruit you? This obviously never happened. It goes through the media where media's talking. They're saying,

hey, this team needs a receiver. Who's the receiver coming out? They need a young receiver or an older receiver. They need a young player or an older player. It's kind of like the media leaks it out because the team tells what the media, what they're looking for. The media kind of knows what the team's looking for and you kind of play matchup and you kind of go along with it and you just always keep your eyes open or your ears open because at the end of the last minute moment any team could come in and sign somebody off their

free agency was there ever how many how many years did you sign for after your first free agency there? Five years. Is there ever a thought in your eyes to go shorter? Because now it feels like with the salary cap with COVID, there's a lot of guys who are potentially going to have to take a one-year deal, maybe a two-year deal. I don't want to say it's a prove-it deal, but it's like a get paid until there's an actual free agency deal. Did you want the longest deal possible? Yeah. Yeah, back then it was like the long security deals,

but the three-year deals are good things now because the market goes up yearly and we can see it. So if you're not tied into your contract for so long, get in and get out. Four-year deals, three-year, four-year deals are great, but those one-year deals, nobody's happy about those. Two-year deals, a little bit more security you know anything can happen in one football season that you can't control but those three year deals those are where it's at so market grows 15 20 after that you know you're you're still doing the same job and you're still young

and you're doing you make a place pierre they're saying pierre they're saying the salary cap is going to be 250 million dollars in five years the nfl just prints cash dude it's unbelievable it's a great game uh you did a lot off the field whenever you were playing it felt like you were one of the ambassadors from haiti for about like it legit felt like that whenever you're going on a run it's awesome to see what you've gotten into off the off the field did you always want to do that how did you know like not only business but you do a lot of philanthropy you're I mean I saw you down in Haiti there for like two years it felt like you were there every other month like

building and doing things like how did you did you know you were always going to do that or how did that all come to be well it was part of how I grew up I grew up in a community you know you were always going to do that, or how did that all come to be? Well, it was part of how I grew up. I grew up in a community. I grew up with a single mother, three other sisters, and we didn't have a family where everything was in-house. We needed help from the community. The church was the big place that I got a lot of help from. The school teachers was a lot of places that I got help because they were my parents

when my mom was at work trying to keep the bills paid. So that's why I always enjoy giving back and being a part of places that I got help because they were my parents when my mom was at work, you know, trying to keep the bills, you know, paid. So that's why I always enjoy giving back and being a part of the community because there are kids out there that need help, just, you know, not even monetary help. They just need guidance and where to look, where to go, you know, where to stay away from. And that's what I love doing. So I love to be a positive example of, you know, how to be, what to of how to be what to do and how to get to where you're trying to go without begging. So I love giving back to the community because that's how I got where I'm at. The community put me here.

They supported me. This dude's taking pictures with presidents. Jeez. Bro, I was seeing photos where he is putting a presentation together for world leaders. I'm like, what the fuck are you? What is going on over there? But it's awesome. It's so, so cool.

No problem. Whenever you, where all did you? So obviously you go to Washington. Did you end in Washington? I went to San Francisco for two years after that. Okay. So Indianapolis, Washington at the time, and there's been exposés and there's been a lot talked about about everything

happening behind the scenes over there. I'm not expecting you to dive into that. Was there any noticeable difference the way organizations were run? As soon as you walk in the building, you think to yourself, like, oh, this team's not going to win or this team's going to win. Is that a real thought that you had? Oh, yeah.

Coming from Indianapolis, you think every team is the same way but or every organization is very different um it's also because you're in different parts of the country different things have bigger priorities on others in different parts of the country but yes organizations are ranked different but you know at the end of the year you're still playing football you're still you're not there my job was to catch the ball and get more yards and i was expected to get on the play and i always had that mindset to keep doing that and if i kept doing it i'll stay in the building a lot longer so yak were you just trying to kill you ran so angry you're so mad you might have been the most angry runner in the history of of angry running it was unbelievable oh it was me trying

to show effort trying to show that i'm giving it all and you know coaches see that players see that and i want to see that. And that's why I got lucky and stayed around for 11 years. Well, you didn't get lucky. You worked your ass off. You're unbelievable. But you come out of Mount Union, okay, and I assume incredible quarterback throwing you the ball.

I assume that Mount Union quarterback was fucking unbelievable. He is a legend. But then you come to Indy and it's Peyton Manning. Oh, yeah. Was there any moments, and I assume there was, but was there any moments where you either caught the ball and you're like, I cannot believe fucking Peyton Manning is throwing me this ball?

Or was there any moments where you're like, oh, okay, this is why Peyton Manning's Peyton Manning? And how often did that happen early? It happened every time for the first year. I actually dropped the first pass that he threw me. It was a fade in practice, and it was just so nerve-wracking that I dropped it. It was, you know,

he got upset at me, and I tried to have a drop at the moment. That didn't happen. I kept dropping it after a while, and it was me getting the moment like, damn, this is Peyton. This is why he is good. This is why he is crazy, and this is Peyton that I'm dropping pass around tripping. But there was times in games where the same way we ran him in practice,

we were running him in the game, and it was successful. It was like how we drew it up. And that's why I was like, dang, this is why he is Peyton. This is why he's on top of everything. He knows when you don't run your route full depth. He knows when you don't know what you're doing he lets you know what to do so that he's not hit on a blitz he lets you know when you're high

it's a lot of details that he's giving you and it makes sense because we went over him so many times in practice and that's why I was like wow this is Peyton he's you know he is why he is like that and Reggie and Marvin those two guys were you know another great leaders to learn from Reggie worked super hard Marvin was he's. And Reggie and Marvin, those two guys were, you know, another great leaders to learn from. Reggie worked super hard.

Marvin was naturally just a beast, and he worked hard at it. Reggie said he watched Marvin, and that's how he became Reggie. And, you know, it was like, hey, Coach Clyde, I was like, hey, watch Reggie because he's how you want to be. So it was those guys just watching, like, all right, this is why they are, how great they are. Now, when you're on the field with Peyton, everybody has to know, everybody has to see the field the exact same way, right?

Like, that is, like, hey, you have to see it. Is every offense like that that you've experienced? No. Why not? No. Why not? No. Is it because Peyton?

Is that why? Say it again? Is that because of Peyton? Is that why those, that's why it's a Peyton? Honestly, that has some reason to do it because Peyton has a lot more experience and he takes control of the play calling and huddling, but I'm sure he didn't start off his career like that. But, you know, different systems have different things

that they're trying to attack on defenses. Some systems let their best player beat the team. Some systems are like, hey, this play is going to work. Some systems are like, hey, read the field. So it's football. It's different but payton has a little bit more uh you know control over every play and you know when you're playing with younger quarterbacks you can't expect that when you're playing with you know older quarterbacks

it's more comfortable more laid back more communication instead of more physical uh you know um assets yeah you got to experience him whenever he was, by the way, at his smartest, in his actual prime, and not that he ever fell out of that, but you didn't get to experience the younger. I wonder what the younger Peyton was like, you know, because he probably, you know what I mean? Do you ever think about that?

Like, thinking back to some practice moments, like, think about a younger Peyton who had that in him, but he couldn't necessarily do it yet, maybe. You know what I mean? I remember those days, because Ridge used to tell me stories, and he used to tell me how Peyton was a lot harder, a lot harsher, a lot, you know, a lot controlled. But, you know, he worked at it to gain that control,

that trust in Tony Dungy and Jim Caldwell. You know, Tony Dungy was there before him, but Tony Dungy gave him that trust, and he took it and never gave it back. Never, never. And by the way, the whole building, it's not just Tony. Everybody was like, you don't want this guy on the team? Okay, you got it. We'll fucking get him out.

We will get him out of here. Okay, you like? All right, he will stay. Listen, we got to make some out of this. That is very true. Yeah, we got to do what we got to do. What do you have time here? You kind of touched on it a little bit,

but was it difficult when you did go to Washington and you didn't really have any, I mean like, you know, not pushing you like Peyton did or in the moment where you're just happy to, you know, be in a new place and to be getting paid or like, was it,

it wasn't tough when you didn't have someone demanding excellence from you at all times. No, it was different when different when I left Indy. Indy was amazing. I enjoyed it. I miss Indy every time. I was watching to see how the scores are. Even now with Frank Wright, he was my receiver coach at one point.

He was always a great guy. He came over to Philly and Arizona and all those places. We always follow up with guys that I started off with, just like I keep up with Pat and all those other guys. But when I was in Indy, I've learned the system and learned how to prepare. And that's why I took over to Washington. The system was different, but it was still just preparing for football. You know, the playbook is different. What you're reading against the defenders are different.

Where you line up is different. But it's still like, hey, prepare your body, prepare your mind for 16, you know, 18 games of the season. So it was a little different, but I have learned how to prepare as a professional, like watching Reggie Marvin, Dallas, Jeff Saturday, you know, Gonzo, Joseph Adai, all these leaders in front of me. I became one of those guys in D.C., but, you know, it wasn't the same organization. A lot more missing pieces in um

dc but we we did well we we made the best of it and we grew as we got better hey kirk cousins is uh very thankful for pierre garçon very very thankful for pierre garçon what do you have yeah pierre were when you were with uh the team, different name back then. Oh, wow. How's the club? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Was Kyle Shanahan there? And also, what makes him such a guru? Kyle Shanahan was there.

He's the one that got me to D.C. When Free agency opened up, he was the first one to call me. He was like, Pierre, we want you out in Washington, D.C. I didn't even know who it was or what number it was because they called me from a Denver number. And I just didn't pick up because I thought somebody was playing on my phone. But I also didn't think that they would call me direct. I thought they would call my agent. But he was there.

But Kyle, he studies a lot. He watches a lot of film. He watches a lot of play. He analyzes a lot of things. And he literally spends all day, you know, just comparing stuff and seeing why this isn't going the right way. Why isn't the players going for a touchdown every time? That's his thing.

Every player is designed to go to the house. And if he doesn't, you've got to find why he's not going to the house. And we took that mindset on and we played with him. That's why we had a lot of big plays in D.C. But, you know, Kyle Shanahan, he's just focused on why is it not going to the house? And he gets those players that help him get up to the house. That's why he has a lot of great players

from 3AC and undrafted free agents. You know, I just don't know why every play wasn't a touchdown. I know. I promise you, he says that. You can ask him. That's his goal.

And that's my same mindset, too. Like, yes, we're trying to go to the house every time. Hey, listen, I know it's fourth and one, but if we – this dive is a fucking touchdown. This is a touchdown play. Hey, listen, we call dives with fullbacks, and they pop out of there, and nobody expected where you came from. So that's his mindset, which I love. And he was a receiver too, so we gelled very, very well together. Hey, we appreciate you for stopping by, Pierre.

Good luck with the speed aid compression that you can find on Amazon. It is worth it. Make your joints feel better. I hope you – hey, I've seen you do some freakishly athletic shit. If you become a professional golfer, let's go. Let's go, dude. I'm trying. I'm trying.

I got to get this driver now because that will give me a lot less of the course to play with and just be touched in. All right. Good luck out there. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Pierre Garcon. Yeah! Yeah! Woo!

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Anything happen over the last few minutes? I feel like if I don't check my phone, somebody else signs. See, it's interesting you say that because somebody did just sign. Tyson Alualu has left the Steelers and signing with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Two-year, $6 million deal, I believe is what it was.

Urban Meyer down there with a checkbook saying, hey, everybody needs to come down to Duval. Everybody needs to come down and see about this no state tax. He was already selling it on TV. We got no state tax down here. We're going to have fans, by the way, which means what? We're going to have money, which means what? We're going to be able to upgrade whatever facilities. We're going to be able to

sell stuff. We're going to be able to do whatever. Come on down to Duval. Let's make a run at this thing. We're going to play on the edge, okay? We're not going to play elite. Everybody's saying elite. Hey, come on. We're throwing around the word elite like it's fucking nobody's business here. This elite, that's elite, this elite. We're playing on the edge, okay? Because the edge is right there. Right there on the edge. It's right.

It's right there on the edge, and that's where we're going to play. He's cooking down there. Jacksonville has been active, AJ. What do you know now that you've got best friends in the building down there? Well, I don't know anything other than what we see online, but I do know they already are in the process of building a new facility because I know Schlegel, the strength coach that we know down there, he's helping design the whole situation.

So I think that was probably part of Urban's interview. Hey, we're going to upgrade everything. We need a new – I think it's connected or it's going to be close to where their old facility is. So, yeah, things are looking up for him, huh? Well, they've got to win some games, and I assume they will. And if not, he'll just kind of disappear and still be remembered as one of the greatest college coaches of all time.

And his name will still be up for every big-time college coaching position. So it's a win-win for Urban. but it does feel like they're going all in. Other teams are as well. Obviously, New England's making plays, and Miami's making plays. Anyways, Washington signs Ryan Fitzmagic. Jameis is back with the Saints. There's things happening. But the news that shook the world, the football world,

was Aaron Jones signing back with the Green. There's things happening. But the news that shook the world, the football world, was Aaron Jones signing back with the Green Bay Packers. Joining us right now is a man who was a rookie last year and will be one of the pieces of a great duo in the backfield for the Green Bay Packers. Ladies and gentlemen,

the sauce, A.J. Dillard. How are you? How are you doing? Hey, great shirt. Love what you're doing. Good idea. Dillard. How are you doing? How are you doing? Hey, great shirt. Love what you're doing. Good idea. Smart. Smart.

Smart for those that are listening. He has an Aaron Rodgers three-time MVP shirt on. Smart move. Very smart move. When you saw Aaron Jones get signed, your immediate reaction was what? Because for us, the immediate reaction was, okay, Jamal Williams, great player. This means he's probably gone. This means AJ and Aaron Jones are about to be a deal. Did you have that same exact thought? And have you talked to Aaron since he got super paid? Yeah. You know, I, my first initial thought was like, congratulations for the guy and his family.

You know, that's big time. And, you know, at the end of the season, we didn't really know what was going to happen with Aaron or Jamal, but they both took me under their wing. So I reached out to both of them and just thanked them. But I talked to Aaron briefly, but I'm sure his phone's blowing up right now. So I'll call him in a couple days and, you know, let him enjoy his moment. AJ, what was it like the first time when you had to go to a full padded practice in Green Bay

and you put your pads on, you got your helmet situated, and you went and you got into either your car or a teammate's car and drove across the parking lot down to practice? Was that weird? So I got my license this year. My license is a Wisconsin license. So nobody drove with me. I drove myself across.

Now, I assume whenever you were in that league in New England, the ISL, you guys probably had to drive yourselves to games in that thing, right? Because it was – no? I mean, maybe at BB&N. BB&N might have – you know, they might have had to drive themselves. But Lawrence Academy, we had a bus. Is that Boston Stooges?

Is that his school? That's unbelievable. I saw you dancing basically on their entire school just a couple months ago. When are we going to see the inevitable Oklahoma drill between you and Boston Connor Stooges here? Is that going to happen? Is that still in the books or now? Yeah, no, I mean, it should happen.

Definitely going to need a waiver for the guy. But if you look at miami there's spring break going on right now so you can see a bunch of examples down there girls getting down on the beach with that yeah so he's saying by the way you're the unathletic one in the video you know when people die on those beaches because that i'm nervous like you say to keep peace i don't want to trip on my two feet have my helmet hit his knee and then all of a sudden i'm the cause for this whole entire thing. Yeah, you're right. That'd be terrible. You're right.

Go pack up. Do you have pads on? Oh, he said you're wearing pads? Yeah, dude. I don't want to die. Jeez. AJ Dillon joining us. AJ, after one year in the NFL,

is your mindset different body physical wise emotional wise going into year two and what is different from last year when I assume you're just like okay let's let's make it through the year what is your mindset now going into year two versus what it was going into year one yeah uh definitely my mindset has kind of changed and way more confident you know I know I know kind of what to expect out there. And so I'm just, you know, getting into shape, you know, enjoying the offseason, being able to relax a little bit. But I know what I need to work on.

I know how I can help out the team now. And so, you know, I'm just ready to go get it done. And, you know, we got a bunch of goals out there that we want to accomplish. So I'm trying to put my best foot forward was there a time like a specific play or game or any time when you felt like hey like it started to click for you i know you've got a lot more opportunities as the season went on and have post-season success and all of it did that can you point to any moment how many people yeah uh well actually for sure the tit game, for sure. That's kind of when I was like, all right, you know, like I belong here. And then, oddly enough, NFC championship game, we weren't playing the books.

A few plays I got in there. You know, I didn't second guess anything. I wasn't in my head thinking about anything. I felt completely confident. And so, you know, I'm just taking that into this year or this offseason and then into next year was that the game you carried like three four dudes or whatever was that that game oh yeah that was the game and now after that happens you have to be like okay so i can do exactly what i

did in college and what i did in high school right here in the nfc championship game with what 47 million people watching or whatever that has to be a pretty cool when you say you were completely confident you were completely confident, you were in your head, what does that mean? You just knew exactly what your assignment was. You knew everything, huh? Yeah, and I just like the game slowed down. You know, that's from like just talking to all the vets and Aaron

and all the guys that we have there, that was kind of like – they always talk about the game slowing down. And like the more experience you get, the more comfortable you get, it'll slow down even more and more and you can see different things and in that game that was the first time i remember just being like okay like i see this guy i see see how i can you know set up this block or you know i just felt really uh poised i guess so that was the first time for me so what's uh what's your offseason look like? Do you guys have any idea, like, if you're going back in, like, do you have to be in Green Bay at a certain time? Do you know?

Yeah, I haven't heard anything. But, you know, I'm just preparing that everything would be as normal, and then if not, we'll go from there. But, you know, I'm just out here in Orange County right now training with a few of the guys, throwing with Jordan Love out here. How is he? Are you guys completing passes? We are completing passes.

That's big. I'll tell you what. Jordan got a raw deal, man. Jordan got a raw deal. The internet, too, after a couple videos come out of him throwing a ball into the ground. I mean, it just expedited even. But it's nice to hear it.

Hey, completing passes over there. That's my guy. He can definitely throw that thing. Hey, cool dude. Cool dude. Yeah, really cool guy. Man, okay. Good.

Hope to get to meet him someday. Hope to get to meet him someday. I like that you're working. Do you have ladders out there? Are you doing speed? Are you trying to add a little bit of muscle so that when you do that Oklahoma drill, Donner in Miamiami you run a guy over with a mustache what what are you trying to do is there any any different training body wise uh yeah well last year at this point i was

getting ready for like the combine and pro day type of deals waste that was more just testing um now yeah i've been doing a lot of agility, a lot of speed, a lot of knee lift type activities, throwing. I mean, not throwing. I can't throw, but catching. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So there's no chance that you throw on a touchdown, huh? That's a shame. Oh, no.

Maybe he's lying. Maybe he is lying. Maybe this is it. Teams are like, oh, he's not going to throw the ball. Yeah, he said on McAfee's show with AJ Hawkins, he thinks you're throwing it. He said the guy's never thrown a fucking ball in his life. Halfback toss, first play of the year. All of a sudden Aaron Rodgers is like asking A.J. how to throw the ball.

I don't think that's going to happen. What do you got, Connor? Yeah, A.J., you mentioned just being comfortable in the offense. Is the LaFleur-Rodgers offense something that changes a lot and that new plays get put in, or is it kind of steady and just let Aaron do what he does? Yeah, well, I have nothing to compare it to. Obviously, I've never been on any other NFL team,

but, I mean, for a rookie coming in, it was definitely complex. We got a lot of sayings, and, you know, I feel like both of them, you know, have obviously a bunch of experience doing what they do. And, you know, sometimes 12 just goes out there and he does what he does. And we all look and he makes a touchdown play out of something we thought was a box play. So we just kind of, you know, follow the lead. But it's definitely intricate. There's a lot of parts that go into it.

You're doing squat. Like, are your quads going to continue to grow, or are these things done? Because I'm making a comeback, by the way. I'm hitting a Stairmaster today. Oh, here we go. Yeah, because inevitably when you, what's that, AJ? How about tomorrow? Well, maybe tomorrow, too.

I mean, depending upon what's going on in free agency, I mean, it's got to do its thing. But whenever, you know, the inevitability of AJ running over Boston Stooge, I know there's probably going to be a photo of some sort. I would like said quads to be at their best. I'm going to try to get there for you. Are we trying to slim those down? You know, did anybody tell you that maybe because your quad size was like a little bit

ineffective because the holes had to be a little bit bigger? You think maybe get those things down a little bit? Well, I've actually been working on going through sideways. Smart. That way they'd fit through. Hey, that's a good idea by the way i think as there's uh d lineman or do you know i don't i don't think you want to show up with your quads in the photo though then they'd be the second biggest quad all right okay

enough all right i don't need that right now no class hi what do you have hey jay are you worried at all that you know spending all this time in california in the off season that come next year you know it gets a little bit colder on the tundra, that maybe your body hasn't re-acclimated to the weather. Nah, nah. The cold's in my blood, but I'm going back in April, so I'll be back out there in Green Bay. It won't be too much time in the warmth.

Boston gets real cold up there. Oh, yeah. Real cold. Mm-hmm. Hey, Boston is not Green Bay cold. I will say that. Why? It's windier in Green Bay or what?

Green Bay cold is just different. Green Bay cold is real cold. It's a real advantage, though. People talk about how Aaron gets better. Aaron gets better almost in that weather than anybody else. It looked like that's something that benefits you and your style of play as well. Yeah, for sure. People don't want to tackle in the cold ever, and that's something that benefits you and your style of play as well. Yeah, for sure.

People don't want to tackle in the cold ever, and that's just kind of how it is. You know, those hits hurt. Those hits do hurt. That hit's going to hurt real bad on you. Ladies and gentlemen, running back for the Green Bay. Hey, are you still on Snapchat and everything or TikTok? Snapchat, TikTok, everything you can be on.

MySpace? MySpace, AOL? Twitter. Twitter, MySpace. I was on MySpace? MySpace, AOL? Twitter. Twitter, MySpace. I was on one last night. Need you to get in there. Awesome. What is your TikTok?

AJ Dillon, too. You did something cool. I think you did something cool. I gave away. Yeah, I did some cool things, you know, giving some jerseys out to people. That's what I'm saying. Put some games out. That's what I'm saying.

Video game stuff. A whole bunch of stuff. Let's tell people. Let's tell people. There we go. AJ Dillon, too. I mean, you deserve it. You're giving That's what I'm saying. Video game stuff. A whole bunch of stuff. Let's tell people. Let's tell people. There we go. AJ Dillard, too. I mean, you deserve it. You're giving shit away.

I like that. Guys like Oprah Winfrey on his TikTok. Ladies and gentlemen, the sauce, AJ Dillard. Thank you, AJ. Hey, AJ Hawk. Yeah. We had another AJ on there. He was wearing the Aaron Rodgers MVP shirt.

How smart of an idea is that? I'd wear that every day if I was him. Every day I'm wearing that thing, aren't you? Yeah, absolutely. But then I feel like there's a point, though, to where Aaron would get upset at the pandering of someone doing that. So I think there's an amount of time you could do it. Could you imagine?

I get it. Take it off. I get it. Okay, now just assume now that you're wearing them every single day, but you don't have to actually because this is good. That's awesome, though. It's a lot different than Pittman telling Carson, you ain't getting my number.

I'm joking. It seems like they've gone over that. They're playing catch already. What number will Carson Wentz be? We'll keep up with it. Let's talk to AJ here about some things that have happened over the last 24 hours since the last time we were on air.

Jameis Winston's back in Tampa Bay. Big news. Fitzmagic or New Orleans. Sorry about that. New Orleans. Jameis Winston's back in New Orleans. Fitzmagic is back in Washington. Ninth team. He's going to be the guy. Bud Dupree's in Tennessee. And the New England Patriots have signed everybody

else that has been signed. They have been so active, AJ. Bill Belichick is flipping that roster as quickly as he possibly can. They said he's not done yet. He's going to continue to do this. Were you surprised by this? Everybody else seemed to be. I'd assume you were as well.

I was surprised. You go out there and you grab probably the two best tight ends on the free agent market, wasn't it? I'd assume you were as well. I mean, yeah, I was surprised. I mean, you go out there and you grab what – it was probably the two best tight ends on the free agent market, wasn't it? I would assume. I mean, I'm not hearing anybody else at this particular point. You pay him big money and you make all these moves hoping like the guys that are coming back from opting out are going to be able to put a squad together.

So, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying they're going to the Super Bowl, but I think it's exciting to see them do this because this is something that seems like it's somewhat unheard of. $137.5 million in guarantees in these contracts, allegedly. Now, all reported contracts could be completely BS, but there's a lot of big names that are still sitting out there. It feels like some teams have some cap space and can make some moves. Some teams have some cap space and can make some moves, you know.

But maybe that team, maybe that team that's doing that just has respect for the process. Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is the tampering period. This is not the announcement period. We will do that whenever it's the proper time to announce. We keep things in-house around here. Maybe that's what the Colts are doing. Maybe that's what some other teams are doing. But there's a lot of big names.

Allegedly, Richard Sherman's getting courted by the Saints. The Saints are trying to bring him in there. He's just one of the big name guys that are still out there. Kenny Galladay is going to be a splash. Trent Williams is going to be a splash. There's a lot of guys out there still, AJ. Yeah, Shaq Griffin, he signed with the Titans. Is that right? Jags. My bad. Yeah, so he's off. Kyle Long is an interesting one. I would take a flyer on kyle long wouldn't you why not yes i i we actually talked about that earlier if you're a personnel nfl gm who's trying to revamp the offensive line which a lot of teams who have some money are trying to do um if you think kyle long could be anywhere near what he was before he got hurt and it kind of

panned out in a negative way he said a little bitter way with his injury and everything in Chicago if you think he could get back and by the way he could be even better now he's been away from the game much like Gronk a little bit fresher a little bit more clear-minded maybe a little bit more you know like excitement to get to work now that you haven't been there. There might be – he's a guy you would want on your team. He was at the Raiders for a workout. He's visiting with the Chiefs. But I assume there's other teams that are looking around like,

if we can potentially get Cal along, we should talk him into not doing this nostalgia thing with the Raiders or anything. Like, we should try to get him. Also, allegedly, the Bills made an offer to Gronkowski, who could have been on the market imagine the buffalo bills with gronk going back home to buffalo new york that would have been insanity i mean that would have been an awesome story i guess but how much more would they have had to pay him he's getting what one year 10 from tampa bay would they have to double that you think to get him there i'm not sure he told kyle brandt in the 10 questions episode he was on that he's going to do one-year deals from here on out.

He said he's going to dip his toes into free agency, that whole thing. But when you hear like Buffalo was offering him his hometown, it's like you don't think Gronk is ever going to leave Tom Brady. He came out of retirement to play with Tom Brady. He was going to retire if he wanted to play in Detroit. Now, if that wasn't Detroit and that was another team that was potentially good, would that same thing would have happened?

We will never know. But everybody thought Gronk was going to be locked into Tampa Bay. Then Ninkovich comes out and he's like, hey, look for Gronk to potentially hit the free agency. And then we're like, holy shit, if Gronk is a free agent, that's going to be somebody you want. And then Buffalo did the same thing. They were like, maybe we get him up. I mean, he said we can bring him home. We'll have Bill's Mafia, the Gronkowski family.

We'll have their own section. The Gronks will do this. Him on that offense with Diggs and Josh Allen, which wherever he's going to head to. I mean, that team would have been fantastic, but Gronk's back for $10 million in Tampa. Well, don't you think the Bills are – I think it's a no-brainer for them to try to get Gronk there.

A, you know the amount of tickets that he's going to easily sell, which they don't really need a whole lot of help. The Bills mafia is pretty strong. But, hey, bringing him home, he obviously can still play. He's one of the most recognizable players in the league too. So, I would have made an offer too if I was the Bills. Me too. If I was any team, by the way, I'm making an offer to Gronk.

But at least the Bills, you could sell it. Hey, the only thing that could possibly pry you away from Tom Brady is, hey, come back home. Let's come do this. You've never really gotten a chance to play in front of all your boys, all your people from your high school. That could have been a good recruiting middle. And if you're Pittsburgh, you could say the same thing, by the way, because he did go to high school in Pittsburgh as well,

his actual senior year after he was expelled from his high school in Buffalo. He came down to Woody High, which is an incredible high school football program. But that is, like if you're the Colts, now Chris Ballard is doing his own thing, but you get Gronkowski on this Colts. I mean, there is, I mean, how about the Patriots, by the way, with Hunter Henry and Johnnie Smith and then Aguilar, Kendrick Bourne, and Julian Edelman? And in the backfield, they're getting another running back, allegedly, maybe Phillip Lindsey, and also who's the running back?

Damian Harris. Damian Harris back there. It's like, what just happened? What did they just – what did they – what just happened? They just built a very solid, very, very, very good starting skill position group overnight, literally overnight. They're like, yeah, well, fuck it. We'll just buy it.

Let's go bang, bang, boom, boom, boom. This is what we want. It's insane to think about what they did. I'm surprised more teams aren't doing the same damn thing. You know what I mean? I mean, if you have the room, yeah, you would think people would want to try to do this, but I don't know. I guess if it doesn't work out, what does this do to belichick like do you care about the whole stupid legacy talk and

all that um if it doesn't work yeah i'll just sail into the sunset he'll disappear for a year or two and then but does it tarnish anything does it like reinforce the fact that hey belichick can't win without tom listen i'm gonna be you know i ain't no bullshitter all right so i'm gonna say that when it happens if they do do bad we will all react accordingly about how it is a tarnish and blah blah blah blah blah then we will all quickly realize a couple years down the road that the only thing we'll say is do you remember what bill belichick did over there 20 years blah blah it only the bangers will survive so if this thing completely goes off the tracks, although we have to react live and in the current moment, how we feel about it,

long-term though, if this doesn't work, nobody will say a fucking thing about it because of all the credibility in the resume that he already has. Now, the ultimate haters, I guess, will say, well, there was this and this, but they're always going to say that. I think the general conversation about, Bill, if this does not work long-term, will be about everything that good happened, not the bad, I don't think. No, you're 100%. I think it should be that way to where, yeah, if he takes a shot and this doesn't work out, yeah, we're going to eventually, yeah, you're going to remember what he did with the Patriots when Tom was there

and when they were winning all the rings. The consistency over 20 years. What are you spraying? Is that your Greeny spray? Me, Billy Joel, Mike Greenberg, everybody on Broadway. Ever heard of it? It works. Does Greeny make it and send it to you?

It's another company. They should work on a flavor, but it's for dry throat and hoarse voice. Entertainer's Secret Throat Relief. Oh, there we go. And on the description of it, it actually says just go ahead and spread a shit out of it, by the way. As much as you want. We got more bottles on the way if you need it. Nice.

Go ahead and do your thing. And we do three hours every single day, basically. And I feel like pretty, the words per minute in those three hours potentially at a very high rate upon everybody else. There's a lot of talking. But those Broadway folks, they'll do back-to-back shows, like two in one night, ten straight nights or something. I have no clue how they do that.

And I'm actually fascinated by that entire little world. They might be some of the most talented bodies of humans and nobody even knows their fucking names because they're so in love with the art. A lot of them are singing for 10 straight nights, two shows a day.

Singing, sprinting, yelling, fighting. It's wild. I'm like, I have no idea how you do it. I think that's why I enjoy it because I's wild i'm like i have no idea how you do i can i think that's why i enjoy it because i look and i'm like yep i could never in a million years do what they're doing out there they must be spraying that in their nose like it says you can on the bottle yeah i guess you can snort this if you want to get a little drip down to the throat snort spray jesus does it really say that oh yeah. As much as you need. Directions. Wow. Remove the protective cover and depress the actuator several times to prime the pump.

Tilt your head back and aim the spray toward the back of your throat. You can access the upper throat more efficiently by spraying into the nostril while sniffing it. So tell me to snort it. Yep. I ain't going to do that. I respect my brain too much. Thank you guys so much for joining us today. A lot of wild shit going on in the NFL right now.

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