The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 380 - Free Solo Climber Alex Honnold, LeGarrette Blount, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: March 24, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about the Bucs bringing most of the band back together, and all the other pertinent things happening in the NFL. Also joining the show is arguably the greatest climber in the world, the subject of the 2018 Oscar winning documentary Free Solo, Alex Honnold, to chat about truly being one of one, his life climbing these insane walls, his new podcast, why he won't be competing on American Ninja Warrior, his thoughts on climbing coming to the Olympics, and much more in one of the most fascinating interviews you'll hear (21:32-49:21). Next, 3x Super Bowl Champion, 2016 NFL rushing TD's leader, 8 year NFL veteran, LeGarrette Blount joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about his new CBD business, what he thinks of the Patriots spending all this money, if Carson Wentz is a dude, if he thinks anyone can fill Bill Belichick's shoes, and more (51:06-1:13:27). To close out the show, Pat and AJ blaze through everything going on in the NFL currently, and chat more about the Alex Honnold conversation (1:15:08-1:33:30). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Wednesday, March 24th. Good show today. Hey, I'm proud of today's show. Yeah, great show today. We were talking earlier. This really is like a throwback episode, kind of. It does. And now there might be a lot of new people or whatever to the train. We appreciate the hell out of you. We know there's some OGs out there as well. I think today is going to be a show that kind of showcases what this show can be if it has to be. A little bit of range. That kind of showcases what this show can be if it has to be. A little bit of range.

I think so. You know, we're sports stooges, but if it does involve sports, we will stooge about it. Oh, yeah. In a pretty good fashion today. We can't thank you enough for joining us. And by the end of this show, you enjoy it. Please be a friend and tell a friend.

And if not, just act like it never happened. Yeah. Move along. Let's get to it. Hey, we're taking a little bit of a dive into a different world of the sports. You know, the Olympic Games are coming up, and for the first time ever, climbing. You know this thing? What? Where you climb?

The rocks? Rocks, boulders, sheets, speed. That's going to be in the Olympic Games. Okay. There's a guy coming on to chat with us who's not in the Olympic Games, although we are going to try to believe convince him yeah he is the star of the documentary free solo that came out a couple years ago I watched it again last night this dude is unbelievable he climbs these sheets of

rock that are thousands of feet in the air and he does it with no ropes or anything like that other rock climbers actually look at this man and say what you're doing if you were to say that you're going to do this for the rest of your life your life is not going to be a long one most people climb with ropes and belaying and everything this guy has become famous because he climbs these sheets of rock these mountains these cliffs with no ropes on him he just out there, lets his hands do the work, lets these little shoes that you're putting a lot of banking on going into little crevices this big,

knowing that if there's one slip, one accidental misstep, mishandling, dead. Yeah. Jeez. Every person that has committed their life to free solo climbing is dead, basically, except for the guy that's coming to talk to free solo climbing is dead, basically, except for the guy that's coming to talk to us. Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Honnold.

Anybody that watched the free solo doc, I watched it again last night. As soon as you watch it, the first minute of it, your palms just literally start sweating. You start getting anxiety, especially with how TVs are nowadays with 4K. It feels like you're staring over the 3,000-foot fall that he could potentially have with zero. This is courtesy of 60 Minutes. This son of a bitch tries to die out here. Now, talking to him, I think watching, I try to watch it back because there is actually something with his amygdala, which is a part of the brain in the frontal lobe.

It is near the medulla oblongata. Okay. But something in his amygdala, although it is where you control your emotions and everything, when they did a CT scan of his brain in this free solo documentary, it showed he has, like, no emotions, basically. Like, this guy, he almost feels alive whenever this is happening. Like, this is what he needs. And his ability to stay calm and cool is why. Deeper though this guy cerebral deep thinker excited to chat with him in about 20 minutes i have no idea how it's going to go he and i are polar opposite individuals

this is talking about a clash from a fan to a man that probably has no idea he exists can't wait to chat with him and i'm going to ask him some simple questions how yeah how how did we get here this is what i want to talk about this dude with banking on that these shoes these shoes he did not make them i don't think somebody else man he's banking on that this little piece of rubber right here isn't just going to accidentally i've had i've had cleats couple hundred dollar cleats 300 cleats that I wore in the NFL. I kick, okay, onside kick. Foot hits the ground, breaks at the seams. If that happens to this guy in the middle of one of these climbs, dead.

Bye-bye. Dead. Little wind gusts, handing, dead. See ya. They show videos of him jumping to a little ledge trying to get to dead and we'll talk to him yeah he's got a new podcast coming out called climbing gold it would be a podcast talking to other climbers believe it or not uh this might not sound like something i'm into but i'm fascinated by these people tommy campbell who's another guy he had the dawn wall it's a another documentary that

was out there i guess out in yosemite out there, there's just a bunch of, it's like kind of the heaven for the climbers and everything like that. There's something called the Dawnwall. It had never been climbed before. Tommy Campbell, who's this legend in climbing, he basically did the Dawnwall, but he was doing it with ropes. I believe it's called, I'm not 100% sure the whole thing, but he accomplished it.

Tommy Campbell, the guy that I thought was like the guy of climbing because he climbed this thing that was unclimbable he's in this documentary with uh with old alex here and he's like why are you doing why like like what you're doing is very like you are a you are a madman what you're doing and alex was like yeah and one of his quotes was like hey i'll choose i'll choose climbing over bitches every day. You know, he said women. Obviously, he's very respectful. But I just thought of the money over bitches. He's living out in a van out in the middle of a park, just eating out of these little frying pans with potatoes, waking up in the morning, going right to the goddamn rocks, deciding whether or not he wants to climb up something with no ropes at all. deciding whether or not he wants to climb up something with no ropes at all.

We're talking about things that people don't want to climb if they were just being a basket and to be carried up that. Yeah, not a chance. Standing at the top. He was sitting at the top of this thing, and they were talking about whether or not he was going to do it with no ropes and find the El Capitan is the thing he went to. He was sitting up there on the edge of the cliff, just chilling, like wrapping his ropes.

Like the thought of just sitting on the edge of the cliff, just chilling, like wrapping his ropes. Like the thought of just sitting on the edge of the cliff, that's not even a... I was just seeing him sitting there. I'm like, this fucking guy. He's just having a casual conversation right now. It's like, yeah, I think I'm going to do it this year. I'm going to go up without these ropes. And he just walks on down.

I'm like, this guy. Awesome. He's doing it in khakis and a button-up shirt like he's going to brunch. Yeah, whenever he goes and tries to figure out what his line is up these things, Awesome. He's doing it in khakis and a button-up shirt like he's going to brunch. At 10 digs, yeah. Whenever he goes and tries to figure out what his line is up these things, he does it with the ropes and, you know, with people. And it looks like with the ropes, he's just like,

well, he's a fucking Spider-Man. Even if I fall, who cares? They said, like, it's a gold medal accomplishment with zero flaws every time he does one of these. Because all it has to do is just one, he just has to do one, just one accidental, not enough chalk. See ya. Can't say it any louder.

Dang. It's over. And that's why Tommy Campbell, the legendary climber, is looking at him like, Tommy Caldwell, shit. He's not my guy anyways. Alex Arnold is. That's right.

Yeah, 3,000 feet tall, I guess, that thing that he had to do. It was just a straight piece of granite. The first person that climbed it, I guess, was in the 40s. I think it was Warren Harding. What? I don't know if that was the president or not. Just had a similar name. It was in the 40s.

It became the thing for climbers to climb after they did it. When they climbed it originally, they were bolting things into the wall so they could put ropes so they could climb up it. Now this guy's like, no, no bolts, no ropes, actually. I'm just coming in here. Where's my chalk? Give me some chalk. Not the president. Yeah.

I looked it up. Not the president. Tonya Harding's grandfather. This guy, he hangs on the thing sometimes. To put his hand in the chalk, his fingertips are just sitting on there. Have you seen what this guy looks like? Who, Alex? No, Warren Harding.

Yeah, I saw a picture of him and the boys. Oh, dude, he is. Yeah, him and the boys were pretty pumped to get to the top. There's a big photo of the whole thing. Yeah, it's a pretty big deal. Anyways, we'll talk to him in like 15, 16 minutes. I can't wait to do it. I don't know how it's going to go.

I have no idea how it's going to go. I feel like I've done enough research, even though I said Tommy's last name was Campbell. I do feel like I knew his name was Tommy. And I did know the Dawn Wall and that whole thing. I also know down in Morocco, there's some rocks that they train on to get to El Capitan. It's like a good training facility. The climbing is very, just like the squirrel suit people. Very interesting to me.

I'm intrigued by all these things. Like the squirrel suit, and my wife is not going to enjoy me saying this this i'm going to do that before i die like i am definitely gonna i got a chance to do it in the oculus one time only up like how much i want to do it but those people they're just they're passing away at a rate oh yeah just one little wind gust and it's like every one of them goes like yeah doing what he loved though it's like i could see that he loved it but god god damn could do something different? And then these climbers, the same thing. And this guy, he was asked whenever he,

Alex was asked whenever he was giving a speech to his old high school, you know, you got a lot of money? A fair amount, he said. I got 40 bucks in my wallet or whatever. And this is like the top or whatever. And he said, like a pretty good dentist is basically what I'm at.

But he doesn't use it. He lives in a van. Like he literally lives in a van in the middle of these parks, and then they hop on a plane and they go live in the middle of a park in like Morocco or somewhere else, and they just off the land, off the grid, basically just how you doing, keep it moving at Boston Conner. Seems like this is a guy that you're going to enjoy. Oh, yeah.

I can't wait to talk to him. I mean, especially you mentioned the squirrel suit guys, and base jumpers come to mind too. Those people who get into that stuff, like you look to your left, look to your right. One of you of the three, you're not coming back down. Probably, probably. Not this time.

Of course not. Not this time. But I did watch, I watched a documentary on the squirrel suitors. Yeah. And there was like four or five of them. And by the end of the documentary, it was like a memorial for two of them that started the documentary.

I'm like, oh my God. And they're like, yeah, that's just kind of how it is. That's just like, and when you get into that game, I guess that's how they acted. I got a lot of questions for this guy. And then they like to play with bridges, those squirrel suit guys, which, why? Also the base jumpers.

I mean, I watched a base jumper run off the top of a truck that was going over a bridge. I'm like, these motherfuckers are wild. Now, I did jump off the house into the pool whenever we were kids. Tim actually got an above-ground pool because he wanted to train for the triathlon. Can't put that in the backyard around me. I'm sprinting off the top of that roof, shooting star-pressed Billy Kidman into those things. Which, by the way, did lead to something in my adulthood life.

Going off the top of a cage. Not a big deal. Good investment. Now, the water did catch me in that pool. Now, off the top of the cage, you know, it wasn't... It wasn't really... It wasn't really... There was no real water down there.

It was as if someone parted the water. It did. It seemed like Moses. Which, by the way, was my thoughts on top. Like, what? I thought... Excuse me. I thought we were all It did. It seemed like Moses, which, by the way, was my thoughts on top. Like, what? Hey. Hey, I thought. Excuse me. I thought we were all.

This is one of those. Okay. Okay. Well, this is going to hurt like a motherfucker. At Ty Schmidt. We also got some NFL conversation. LeGarrette Blount will join us again. Great conversation.

Yeah. LeGarrette Blount, he's also, I think he has launched a CBD product. I'm not 100% sure. We'll talk to him about his business ventures. I can't wait to chat with him. He was hanging out with the Nelk Boys over at UFC. I think he's really starting to mix it up. Can't wait to chat with him. In the NFL, there's been a lot of moves that have been made. The Patriots re-signed James White. And Tommy Kinsue just signed back to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on a one-year deal that's potentially worth up to $10 million. It feels like there's still some things happening in the NFL, which is great news for everybody.

Have not heard a thing on the Green Bay Packers this time. Yeah, unfortunately, it looks like they're going to have nine of the 11 guys that started on offense and 10 of the 11 guys who started on defense. So it is the same team, but you also wonder, you see, I mean, the Bucs, I guess they're bringing back the same people but they they really need to nail the draft i mean they really need to add some pieces because i think too that like they were looking at guys but uh they just knew they couldn't afford anyone especially with what the cornerbacks were getting

yeah it's interesting all the money that's going to where it's going and how these teams are going to pan out one year from now we'll look back on all these moves and say genius not genius how we doing you're an idiot you wasted money feels like the Patriots though are very excited with where they're at Boston Connor every single day comes in the Patriots make a new move in the insufferability of the power of a Patriots fan just continuing to build with inside oh yeah the mustache is growing stronger the Boston hat is making more appearances. The once very loud and vocal fan base of the New England Patriots, who did have to kind of

chill for a year, and just maybe a vacation year. Like when LeBron went out to L.A. for that first year, and he was showing up to games with wine, and nobody else. Our team kind of stinks, and then Magic Johnson just quit. I ain't going to be there. He quit. And then the whole thing kind of turned around. They bring in Anthony Davis. It felt like

that was very similar. That vacation year that Braun took after making the finals like 100 straight years in a row. It feels like that's what the Patriots viewed last year. The Patriots fans, they're all the way back. If you guys stink, that's going to be a problem. That's the biggest thing is that it all boils down

to Cam Newton. All these pieces help you and like you said before you can't win games in march but if cam newton plays you know a little better than he did last year then you have to assume maybe 10 11 games we get it i'm not the only one that said he can't win games in march that's kind of a notable thing robert craft actually said in an interview with albert breer on monday morning quarterback he said me and bill we used to laugh at the teams that are making big moves in March. Like, oh, what a bunch of losers.

And now we're kind of doing it because situations are situational. Speaking of situations being situational, Zito, what is the poll for today? Congrats on a new desk over there. Thank you so much, guys. We're very professional over there. Still hides the stomach. We're still golden with that. No, don't worry.

Shout out, you're the Buffalo, by the way. Yeah, shout out. Let's not hide your chest, though. No, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Poll today. Will the Buccaneers win the Super Bowl again?

I have, yep, at 46%. Nope, 54%, with over 10,000 votes. And the reason why that is the poll of the day is because they just bring back Indomitian Sioux. They were able to bring back Gronk. Obviously Tom restructured his deal. Now you've got to think, Leonard Fournette, Antonio Brown, what are they doing down there? Chris Godwin got franchised.

Levante David was brought back, somehow. Shaq Barrett was also. Gronk, Suckup, Sioux, Brady, Donovan Smith, all their deals got either done, extended, or brought back. The nucleus of that team that won a lot of games, the only person that's missing is Leonard Fournette.

Leonard Fournette became quite a focal point for that team after Ronald Jones got hurt. In playoff, Lenny became Lombardi Lenny, and he was running like, I don't think we've ever seen Leonard Fournette run in the NFL. He's probably going to get paid somewhere, but at this point, if we haven't heard about him, maybe not. Maybe he does go back to Tampa Bay on a one-year deal and say, hey, we were only getting better at the end of the season. This is

only going to grow. But Leonard Frenette, I think, is the only... and Antonio Brown. Who knows what's going to happen with Antonio Brown, both off the field and on the field. But if they somehow figure out how to do that, I think a big round of applause is due for Bruce Light and Mike Greenberg,

not get up Greenberg, the salary cap person down in Tampa Bay has figured out how to make this fucking work yet again. And for Lenny Fournette, even more now that rumored potentially going to the Bucs, James White goes back to the Patriots. So maybe even more, Lenny Fournette back to the Bucs. The last team to go back-to-back was the 2003-2004 New England Patriots. It's tough to go back to back. Chiefs almost did it this year. Now, the fact you just get back to the Super Bowl is something, aside from the Patriots run, is very difficult to do. Now, that Patriots dynasty, who had Tom Brady, who was obviously a large piece of the Tampa Bay puzzle

now at this point, is a debunker for all of the thoughts on how hard it is to have sustained success in the NFL. Whether it's because you get too complacent, you don't have long enough offseason, you don't have enough money to keep people together. That Patriots team somehow, someway was able to do it for 20 some years. Nobody else has ever really been able to do it. I guess the Cowboys obviously had their run. The Steelers had their run. The Niners had their run. Those are all decade stuff. We're talking about 20 years of sustained success. I don't think it will ever happen again.

It just doesn't feel like it's possible. Maybe Kansas City will be able to do it. But I like the fact that Tampa is like, hey, we can run this thing, what, three, four more years at least. You win two Super Bowls in five years, you are in a conversation forever with some of the greatest teams. Everybody just sees what the Patriots have done, once again debunking every single thing.

But if they win a couple Super Bowls here in the next four years, this Buccaneers team automatically becomes like, oh, do you remember that Bucs team, one of the best teams of all time? Going to be difficult with the Chiefs, who are still making plays. Going to be tough in the NFC that is kind of mounting up and everything like that. But it's difficult in the NFL to win. In fact, if they do it again, it'll be amazing. Do you think the Bucs

have to kind of make a decision here between Fournette and Brown and that's why it's taking so long? I don't know. I wonder if they're allowing them to kind of go see what they got and then come on back. Hey, why don't you go ahead and snoop around. Okay, let us know what you hear. If you don't want to tell us and give us

a right to match or whatever, that's cool, but go ahead and see what it is because we do believe with this new salary cap there's a chance that some things you might think happen aren't going to happen. Now, if you're Leonard Fournette and it was very apparent at the end of the year that offense was just learning how to be that offense and you didn't get a big deal somewhere else, going back into that offense and hopefully picking up right where they left off,

that payday that's now running back takes a lot of hits. There's a potential injury coming wherever. But I think next offseason is also potentially big for Lenny if he comes back. Well, the nice part for them is A.B. and Leonard Fournette are at a position that they already have Rojo and Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. It's not like they're pressing for them to come back. But, hey, go out, test it. If you don't get what you want, come back, win another one.

Come on back. You like the Bay. I mean, remember, we're all on the boats. We had fun. Great time. Pretty good weather. Who does Tom want more? What's that?

Who does Tom want more? I don't know. I assume Tom would like both back, if I had to guess, if he was talking publicly. Because remember, he was asked at one point if he would like Odell Beckham Jr. on the team. And he said, hey, if we could get Odell Beckham Jr. And then the headline was like, Tom wants Odell Beckham in Tampa.

It was like, well, I don't think he said that. But also, hey, if we could fucking Odell Beckham. I don't know how that's going to work. I mean, Greenberg's back there with the pen and the salary cap. Somehow, Chris Angeling his way around this entire thing. I was going to say David Blaine, but that was David Blaine Caldwell down there in Jacksonville. That's right. He had that job for a long time somehow.

Then Urban came in and was like, this guy all stinks. Hit the road. Didn't get out of there. I don't know how they keep. Chiefs, I don't know how they were able to keep everybody in there. I don't know. Right now, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, I don't know how they're able to keep everybody in there. And Dominick Katsu, up to $10 million.

I don't want to say that's his best offer of all time but they're still able to construct these contracts that have the ability to make eight figures still yeah this late into the game with this many players on their roster i have no idea how they're doing it down there and just like we have been saying here for the last couple weeks with these voidable years and all this bullshit salary turning the signing bonus people are going to look at what's going on in Tampa what's going on in Kansas City hopefully and other salary cap people are going to be like you know we could free up an extra 40 million dollars if we'd like to just by moving this it seems like there's only a couple teams doing it

now I would assume that's what the future is going to look like I think Bruce is probably more inclined to bring back Lenny Fournette because it seems like he always gets some burner late in the draft that could maybe potentially fill that role. And I feel like after what Fournette did in the playoffs, it's a little bit tougher to replace him. People go through many changes as we get older, isn't that right? Oh, yeah. For men, one of the less fortunate changes is that

testosterone production begins to naturally decrease in the body. Did you know this, AJ? I am aware. For most men, it begins around the age of 30, and testosterone production declines by roughly 1% per year. My God. So if you live to 130, you ain't got shit left. No. Minus 30.

Well, if it starts around 30 this is one of those questions on a test where you know begins around 30 in the testosterone production declines by roughly one percent per year so does it start at zero or does it start at 30 that's the thing this is where they can get you it's one of them damn word problems this is one of those rounds where you're like well wait a minute uh which can I ask a follow-up? Anyways, I was good at those tests because I always viewed it as me versus the fucking teacher. That's right.

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Oh yeah I'm a big doc watcher Everybody knows that Love the docs I've gotten into a lot of things That I never could have imagined getting into Everybody knows that I'm Bottom heavy in this world

Big ass Big thighs Never really got into Pull ups much Not really my thing never could have imagined getting into. Everybody knows that I'm bottom heavy in this world. Big ass, big thighs. Never really got into pull-ups much. Not really my thing. I kicked balls. And whenever climbing was introduced to the world in a more, you know, commercial fashion, American Ninja Warrior, now it's in the Olympics.

I was fascinated by these humans. Then I watched that documentary, Free Solo, and your palms start to sweat immediately upon watching it you're captivated by it the man in that documentary that is featured is absolute living legend in the climbing world who is not competing in the olympics but he does and will have a podcast called climbing gold which will be a conversation with the greatest climbers around the world, I'd assume. A man who, in my eyes, is maybe the most fearless son of a bitch to ever walk this earth.

Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Conley. Let's go, Alex. How are you, pal? I'm good. I'm good. Thanks. Hey, Alex, I watched Free Solo again last night. Because it came out a couple years ago. Heard you were coming on the show. I was so pumped to Free Solo again last night. Because it came out a couple years ago. Heard you were coming on the show. I was so pumped to watch it again last night. Literally, I'm sure you've been told this by a lot of people.

I was sweating watching the entire thing. High anxiety. For you, do you watch that back? Are you watching film on yourself every single day? And is there ever a moment in your life where you go, oh, that was pretty gnarly? Do you have any of that in you at all alex yeah there are there are some moments where i'm like oh that was pretty gnarly and maybe i should have done that a

little better but no actually in climbing or at least in my climbing i pretty much never watched film back which is interesting to hear you hear you say that because i guess that's a big part of other sports is like watching film and sort of learning from your performance and climbing. That's not really a thing. Okay. So have you been, I saw an 08, 09, I believe was when you went out to Yosemite, I think, and you really started climbing, but then in free solo, you talked about how your dad had you out in the park and everything like that. Had you always been a climber?

Had you always been somebody who had zero fears? Like even as a child, how did it come to be that you're like, okay, the greatest free solo climber of all time? Well, yeah, I don't know if that's true, but I'll say it. Alex, I respect your humility, but I didn't watch a doc on anybody else. So in our eyes, this guy's the greatest of all time. Perfect, perfect. I'll just roll with that then. But yes, so I always loved climbing on

things and I was always drawn to climbing, but then I started climbing in a climbing gym when I was 10 years old. And so from the age of 10, I basically climbed full time. And, and then like you said, you know, my, my dad, my family took me camping and things as a kid. So I got to sort of experience the outdoors, but I was already climbing in the climbing gym. And then once I graduated high school, you know, dropped out of college, all the outdoors but i was already climbing in the climbing gym and then once i uh graduated high school you know dropped out of college all that then i was just climbing full-time so i've basically been climbing all the time for 25 years you guys kind of live like gypsies too right i mean like you you kind of just live out in the woods and it's like it has to be your full commitment your it's a lifestyle it has to be right yeah yeah it has to

be i mean a big part of climbing is following the weather uh basically following good conditions so that you can climb you know because you're in mountains so you basically have to migrate north and south and east and west and like follow the good conditions all the time so yeah it's a very uh iterant lifestyle requires a lot of movement great word there i'm not 100 sure what that word means but i respect it that you used it in a sentence and you seemed very confident while using it so i'll just take your word for it in that free solo uh there's a 60 minutes piece like kind of a minute and a half into it and and i think that is where everybody starts getting a little bit nervous and i we we ripped it because 60 minutes is news so for our show we shouldn't technically get a strike because it is newsworthy but i wanted to kind of watch it with you and just

kind of ask it like what you're thinking and if you recall doing this so foxy can you run that kind of so right here let's pause all right so in your eyes when you're doing this do you do you remember what sheet of rock this is that you're climbing yeah of course this is half down in yosemite okay so this is like a pretty notable thing very how long have you been climbing this before the 60 minutes people came and got you like for years and years well actually yeah yeah i've been climbing i don't know 15 years at this point but um but actually this clip uh 60 minutes licensed this from a previous film thing a few years earlier i'd pre-sold it half down before the actual 60 minutes shoot uh so we might get a strike for this but it's worth it because i'll

at least my friends on this clip and and if they they give you any grief, you know, you just you just send them my way. Hey, shout out to your friends for owning this clip. But right here in your eyes, is it like you just get into a zone when you're climbing? You don't even realize how high you are. Is it because obviously whenever I go to like something that has a glass bottom, you know, like a bridge or a building they're like don't look down just don't look down for you you have to though because you have to see it does it it doesn't at what point does that just not become something exist in your life when you first started doing this type of stuff was there did you have the oh shit i shouldn't look down moments or is it just you're in such a zone

no certainly when i first started climbing i had moments where I'd feel the thrill of the exposure where I'd look around and be like, oh, I can't believe I'm in this position. But as you do it more and more, I've gotten to the point where you're just used to being in that position. So when you look around, you're just like, oh, what a beautiful day. It's so nice in Yosemite. You just like feel good. But also I'll say that in this particular clip, what I'm doing right here is actually physically relatively easy. Like this isn't one of the hardest sections of the route. And so for me in a position like this, I'm like, oh, I'm actually quite relaxed.

I'm having a good time. Like this is fun, casual climbing. But some of the other sections of the route are much more serious for me. And so I'd be way more focused, way more attuned to what I'm doing. Okay. So whenever you get a glimpse of a shot like this, and I would assume that with the way, because I watched a Dawn Wall with old Tommy Caldwell, basically, who is in your documentary telling you, like,

you need to fucking chill out, basically, is what Tommy was telling you the entire doc, which was awesome to kind of see those two together. There's a climbing media and there's climbing fans that kind of have, like, telescopes sitting outside and they kind of hang out at Yosemite and they're like, Oh, they're up there right now. I would assume you've done that with a lot of people, but whenever you get a chance to see yourself just out, like, is this

not fucking just mind boggling to you that you do? There's only what a number, a handful of humans that would ever be in this position ever. Yeah. Actually, I mean the clip that you're showing nobody else has ever done this sorry about that i didn't mean to disrespect but i didn't want to do the whole greatest of all time thing again you know i didn't want to do that but it's whenever now go on through this clip a little bit more because you end up on it yeah so what is the easiest thing for you whenever there is like because there's a couple climbs on that El Capitan where it looked like you were grabbing onto flat pieces of rock. Whenever you have these corners and these ledges, this is like, like you said earlier, like this is dream come true. This is when I kind of get a chance to re-chalk and do that. Is that the thought?

A little bit. Yeah. In general, like you're saying, when there's a crack for me to put my fingers into, typically that feels more secure. And so that feels a little bit safer. So like, again, this particular position, I'm like, oh, it feels relatively comfortable. You know, my feet are on something. My fingers are locked into the crack. Like it feels relatively safe. a lot though on the particulars of the crack because like this this little clip that we're watching the the 15 feet above me actually get quite a bit thinner and then there's a very hard part where the crack kind of ends and you have to do some hard climbing but um but i don't think it's in this clip have you met the people that make the shoes that you wear yeah yeah i've been to the factory in italy that's smart by the way i was thinking to myself because if i was a kicker i was a punter in uh the n. And our shoes are very important, right?

And obviously, here's you getting to the top, standing on the edge of a cliff, being cool with it, which I would not be. I mean, there's just a lot of things that happen in your world that I have no clue how you do it. And I think that's why everybody is so infatuated with it. I mean, the free solo doc captivated the world. I think you won an Oscar for the whole thing, as it's deserved. Because what you're doing is something nobody really knows about and then when you start nobody knows it's possible when you start looking at it when i was punting my cleats would rip you know like some of them

would rip on something so i'm just thinking like even if you are they'll have the perfect line and the perfect if those shoes just somehow give out you have to have a lot of confidence in all this shit i guess huh yeah yeah no that's that's for sure, you have to have a lot of confidence in all of this shit, I guess, huh? Yeah, yeah. No, that's for sure. You definitely have to trust your equipment. But part of that trust is built up through the fact that I use the same shoes over and over on the same climbs,

and I get a good sense of how they wear, how often they wear, how they get damaged, you know. And then, yeah, I mean, it's all about consistency and sort of building trust in the equipment. So you would win American Ninja Warrior pretty easily. Why have we not done that? Actually, so I probably wouldn't win it pretty easily. American Ninja Warrior is actually very fast and dynamic in a way that's actually quite different than the type of climbing I do. I mean, as you see in those clips, what I'm doing is all about, you know, being smooth and in control and

basically being safe. American Ninja Warrior is all about being smooth and in control and basically being safe. American Ninja Warrior is all about running as fast as you can and bouncing off of things and sort of catching things. I mean, I'm sure you can sort of appreciate the difference between dynamic, basically plyometrics versus isometric holds. And so American Ninja Warrior is all plyometrics, is all bouncing and jumping, and that's not what I do. Not to say that I couldn't practice and maybe be competitive about it but um but you know you are the speed record holder on the nose of el capitan though i mean so come on i mean i have stats right here i mean everything you just said sounds fine and dandy but you're one of the first people we've ever interviewed where i've done actual research on because i was i like such a big fan so I want to know this climbing's getting into

the Olympics okay here we go congratulations yeah all right here we go let's go it's awesome it's good news okay here we go I know you're not doing it you're doing a podcast that's gonna what don't you think as Americans we need you out there though I mean you're our guy right to do are you retired from climbing are you still climbing no it's, it's not that I'm retired. It's that the people who are going to win the Olympics are probably 23 and I'm 35. And at a certain point, you just, you have to know when to, uh, when to say when I'm, uh, I'm supposed to be there doing commentary, which I'm pretty excited about, honestly, because at least I get to be at the Olympics and witness the spectacle and sort of see climbing greatness and talk about it and interview, you know, chat with the competitors. But, um, but realistically the people who are

going to win spend six hours a day in the gym and have for the last, you know, five years. I'm like, that's, that's not me. You know, I'm too busy adventuring in the mountains and going out and like doing first ascents and doing other things. Like I just, I just can't climb at that level. Okay. Um, the Dawn wall now that is, well, well okay and i don't want to put something in your head i assume you this has already been said by a lot of people and i don't want to be associated with a potential you know force will that be something you ever free solo are you done with free soloing or have you already free soloed the dawn wall no so that's not something i could ever free solo and and that will never be free soloed by anybody basically the level of difficulty

is too high i'm willing to say that no one will ever ever free solo the dawn wall like in the future of humanity is it because that jump that he had to do is it well actually so actually tommy who did the first descent he actually wound up climbing around that jump because he was never able to do the jump so if you were free soloing you would do the big loop around but realistically the whole thing is just too hard it hard, and it's too insecure of a style. It's like the type of climbing. I mean, to put it in perspective, Tommy spent, what, six or seven years working on that climb and then managed to do it once over 20 days.

But when you free solo something, you climb it all at once with no stopping. You know, I mean, it's just completely different. It's just, yeah, it's a totally different thing. Yeah. So nobody's ever going to do it. Nope. Yeah. So nobody's ever going to do it. Nope. No, no one's ever going to do that. I like that.

Our guy, though, has free soloed a couple here that nobody will ever probably do. Do you think free solo will continue past you? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, all of the things that I have free soloed I think will eventually be repeated. But, you know, maybe not for the, until the next generation, maybe, you know, who, who knows when exactly, but the things that I free solid are pretty natural choices. They're, they're classic historic roots that really make sense in, in climbing context, you know? Um, yeah, we'll kind of see what the next generation does.

Okay. So Tommy Caldwell, uh, was in your doc and by the way, I learned more about him during the Dawn wall with the guy that came fresh over from bouldering to be his partner or whatever, because he was getting over a relationship, which seems impossible in your world, by the way, the relationship thing. And that's not what our show is. I'm not going to get into that,

but just with the boulder guy coming over to do the Dawn wall with him, I was like, so intrigued by old Tommy Caldwell. And then I watched the free solo back and i'm like oh this is the i when i watched free solo the first time i didn't know he was the guy he was like the guy right growing up he was he was the poster guy this is the poster climbing and a lot during the free solo documentary he was looking at you he was like hey like you know basically everybody that is a normal free soloer you know know, that we have known in this world is

dead. Like, will you continue to free solo? Like, is that something, has there ever been a thought where it's like, I shouldn't do this anymore? Is that something you'll, are you still doing it right now? We just don't know about it. Yeah. I mean, so the thing is, it's not as if it's free solo or nothing, you know, the majority of my climbing is with partners or it's just normal training or it's you know with ropes and then the free soloing has always sort of been the the spice on top you know the extra little something on the side that keeps climbing exciting and adventurous for me and so you know i'm still soloing i mean i went soloing a couple times last week but on sort of casual you know nothing cutting edge but still adventurous and fun um i don't know no so i'm gonna keep free soloing probably for a long, you know, nothing cutting edge, but still adventurous and fun.

I don't know. No, so I'm going to keep free-souling probably for a long time, you know, but we'll just kind of see how many other big objectives that are truly difficult. You know, I mean, there's literally nothing else in the world quite like El Cap. So no matter what I do in the future, it's going to be less exciting than the film Free Solo, you know. You talk about that spice on top,

and then obviously they do that full scan of your brain, and they say the amygdala or whatever, and I thought it was potentially the medulla umbongata, but it was the amygdala in that whole thing where you're basically, they did a scan, and it was supposed to be active in an area, and it was just completely done, and it was the area that I think generates fear

and emotions and everything like that. Is that something that's real that you don't really feel alive until you're potentially like right literally on the fingertip of death? Is that how that was? Is that what that is for you? And is that? So the film, the film touches on the amygdala for like 30 seconds. It's just a little clip of me getting this fMRI and then scanning my brain.

But there was actually a feature-length article written about it. There's a much more in-depth look at the science. It's in Nautilus magazine. And in that, it's much more nuanced. And I think that the takeaway from the article and the real takeaway from that brain scan wasn't that I don't experience fear. It's that because I have experienced so much fear over the last 10 15 years it now requires a higher threshold to to trigger my amygdala response basically the test that we were doing in the fmri just weren't you know i was just looking at pictures on a screen i was like obviously

looking at pictures isn't going to scare me the way that all the other things that i do scare me yeah but i watched that documentary i started sweating yeah those those pictures get put up on the screen you're like uh that's not that's what a couple thousand it's not even that high there like this fucking well the difference though is if you spent the last 10 or 15 years being scared for your life all the time it probably would would desensitize you to things like that you know you'd watch a film and be like you know yeah that's a crazy film but it doesn't like it doesn't fill you with fear in the same way so you always are you still trying to chase that feeling you think is that what they're

that people have told you that are that dive into the brain and everything like that? Well, I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's hard to say, but I mean, I think I'm chasing the feeling of, of self-improvement, you know, it's like seeking out new challenges, things that seem like they might be impossible, working on them, eventually making them possible, doing them. You know, it's like, to me, I love the process of working through something where you're like, Oh, I just don't know if that's possible. And then you're like, well, maybe, and then you work on it a bunch. And then you're like, Oh, it turns out I was able to do this thing that I thought wasn't, wasn't possible for me. It's like, to me, that's, that's the process that I love to work through. And I mean, I have several

projects like that right now, you know, things that I thought up that I was like, Oh, that seems crazy. And then I was like, but is it and then I was like but is it crazy then you watch Free Solo back and you go not that crazy the strange brain of the world's greatest solo by the way we're not the only fucking ones Alex it says it in this article here this whole feature

article here the strange brain of the world's greatest solo climber I assume and I kind of got this feeling from watching last night again, Free Solo, you're an incredibly deep thinker, huh? You do a lot of notes and writes and things like that. Is that an accurate, is it you and your thoughts a lot? Is that an accurate assessment?

Yeah, I mean, it's fair to say I spend a lot of time by myself wandering in the woods thinking about things, and I also spend a lot of time reading. So, I mean, that's something. Well, Tommy Cald era was telling you uh you're writing your uh your climbing journal and uh he was just writing like hey pitch this do this this pitch does this which by the way is basically a chapter of a climb right is that an accurate description it's like uh the pitch is like a a leg a leg of a climb basically yeah And he's writing notes in his climbing journal.

And Tommy's like, you ever write down like, oh, I miss my dog or like my family? And you're like, no, this is just a climb. Shut the fuck up, Tommy. That's basically what you said to him. This is just a climbing journal. Your commitment to your craft is unbelievable. And I think that's something that should be talked about.

That's why I'm excited for climbing gold. Is that already come out? Should we start getting into that? And what should we look forward to with the podcast you're launching? Yeah. So climbing gold, the trailer came out this week. The first episodes drop on Friday,

I think, or maybe Saturday, but basically on the 26th, I think. So this week, and yeah, climbing gold, I mean,

it's basically, it's just an exploration of climbing, you know, where it's come from, where it's going and, and all the great stories in between. I mean, it's been a really nice opportunity for me to talk to the best climbers the last couple generations and and some of the best climbers moving forward you know the climbers of the future it's just fun to hear like what drives them in climbing the film people the

people that are filming this they're also all professional climbers right they have to be i guess and there are are they just so do they climb with you so they know exactly where you're going and it's like the belay thing and all that? And then they just decide like, okay, we'll park it here and we'll get to, because the filmmakers, by the way, they have to hang off the side of a cliff that is a few thousand feet in the air with a camera that is getting an incredible shot. You guys all have to be they kind of all you guys all have to be like kind of a small fraternity i would assume in this in this world yeah yeah so of of the filmmakers on free solo several of them had actually climbed el cap well actually all of them have climbed el cap via different methods some of them had actually climbed the route that i free solid and though while they were filming they weren't actually climbing with me they were

mostly hiking to the summit and then rappelling down because it's more efficient to use ropes and just go down the wall than it is to climb up the wall oh yeah and i actually did a lot of my preparation that way too i did a lot of my practice by hiking to the summit of the mountain and then rappelling down the face to the specific place that i needed to work on and then work on that for a while and then keep rappelling to the bottom basically it's just not efficient to climb a 3 000 foot wall just to work on one little section because it's like it makes you really tired to climb the whole wall yeah i would have found that sounds like and by the way with free salt has there ever been a time i would assume this has happened whenever you have no ropes and maybe this isn't when you're filming and you might be all by yourself out there where

you get halfway up and you think to yourself damn i still got a lot because i assume getting down is harder than continuing to go up right has there ever been that moment and how do you deal with that you just kind of chill for a second on like a hole or something i had i had a classic experience in the 70 ones where i climbed on on a rest day i climbed this kind of actually uh if you watch the 60 minutes clip the route that I climbed in 60 minutes there's a route next to it it's kind of parallel to it but slightly easier that I climbed on like a rest day and so I climbed halfway up it and then I got this phone call and uh and it was like oh this thing I had to do so and there was this big ledge like the picnic table so I like sat on this picnic table size ledge no no so it was casual so I

sat down I took out my backpack I like ate a little snack I made this phone call for like 45 minutes and then I hung up the phone and was like oh man I sat down. I took out my backpack. I, like, ate a little snack. I made this phone call for, like, 45 minutes. And then I hung up the phone and was like, oh, man, I'm still in the dead center of this, like, 15 minutes. I was like – and, you know, I kind of, like, lost my groove a little bit. I was like, oh, now I have to climb another 800 feet to the summit. I was like, bummer. You know, because I'd finished my snacks. I'd run out of water. I was like, oh, you know, it's, like, suddenly less fun.

I mean, you definitely do have moments like that where you're like, oh, I'm still up here and I still have a long ways to go. This dude is sitting on the edge of a cliff in the middle of the cliff on a rock, so comfortable, completely forgets where he's at. Oh, that was a good phone call, man. That was awesome.

Sandwich pretty good. I'm happy. I'm going to go about my guy. Oh, shit. That is unbelievable, Alex. What do you have, Connor? That is basically it. That's pretty much the synopsis.

Well, because you have no ropes either. So it's only just your backpack. All right, here we go. Let me put this back on here. Let me make sure the shoes are tied. All right, now I'm going to scale this completely straight up sheet of rock. I love that you do it because I get get to watch it i have no clue how you do any of it connor what do you have yeah alex has there ever been a time where you're climbing

you got to like take a piss or something and you have to break out the pee bottle or do you just piss your pants and keep going yeah right on the wall no no you just you just pee right off the wall smart yeah smart yeah i can't pee up though it's like pissing in the wind you know you don't want your hands true actually it's to eventually have to get in there. Yeah, always pee down. Always pee down. I mean, if you guys want really good stories, I've actually, while doing a cutting-edge free solo, I once actually pooped while hanging off the wall.

Here we go. You've got to tighten up a little bit there. And I've seen your diet, too. That poop is coming. That's coming fast. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? You're a vegetarian, right?

I believe at this full vegan, I think at this time. By the way, the foundation you have to help with the world with solar power, you're a very fascinating, incredible dude, Alex. I hope you know that. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem. I mean, I don't know if there's ever going to be another human like you, but I do appreciate the fact that you have existed during my time of existence.

I do appreciate that. Ty, what do you have? Alex, you mentioned how you think part of the stuff with your brain is because you were exposing yourself to the fear of dying so often. Do you still remember close calls that you have? And when was the last time you think you had one of those where it was like, oh, shit, that could have been really bad? Yeah, so I definitely remember plenty of close calls. I mean, I've had all kinds of experiences where i've broken holds like i had an experience in africa once where i was down

climbing this tower that had never been climbed uh really really bad rock sandstone really friable and uh both my footholds broke off at the same time so and i was holding on to really big holds it was a fine but i was just suddenly dangling there was a full like mission impossible sort of scene you know like totally outrageous you're like you know it's the kind of thing that you're like oh you only see that in movies and you're like nope sometimes that happens in real life no your real life yeah not ours that happens in your real life not ours but you you you went to morocco in free solo and i believe the conversation was hey this is a good climb to prepare for el capitan. Is it like El Capitan was your Super Bowl and then you had like regular season games almost around the world?

Are all those things people know about? Like, okay, if you want to do this, go to Morocco. This is a good wall down here. Maybe Asia. Like where are the big – are they all over the world? Have you climbed everywhere? Yeah, so, yeah, I've climbed everywhere. I've put up new routes on all seven continents

and climbed in like... Let's go! Greatest of all time! We didn't say it. Newspaper fucking did. Go ahead, Alex. Yeah. Antarctica? Yeah, Antarctica.

Big rock wall sticking out of the ice. It's totally insane. Easier climb than most of the other continents, or was that just one you had to do to nail all the continents? That was one I had to do. It's a total life experience. It's like going to space. It was totally insane.

Like living on Antarctica for a month and climbing spires of rocks sticking out of the ice, it's pretty incredible. Hey, they say potential aliens down in Antarctica. We saw basically a single living thing the whole trip. It's the feral continent.

Alex. I was going to say, your analogy of Morocco to preseason games or regular season games, if anything, the trip to Morocco was kind of like my playoff games sort of leading to the Super Bowl. And so my regular season as it as it is, you know, is kind of like driving around in the van and just climbing normally. And then going on a big trip to somewhere like Morocco or somewhere like, say, the Alps in

Europe or something, that would be kind of like your your playoff games where you're like, all right, this is a serious trip, I need to make this count. And that's all kind of like your your playoff games where you're like all right this is a serious trip i need to make this count and that's all kind of leading up to the main event which is lcap which is definitely comparable to the super bowl is there any just like slappy walls you just drive by and you're just like that to climb that it's too easy it's too simple are you at that point now where you're like i'm not even wasting my energy let's go and get a cool one yeah i mean sometimes sometimes yeah you taking you taking dates to climb these things is maybe my favorite move of all time favorite move of all time let's just find out right now okay we're gonna find out immediately upon the way you belay these ropes if this thing's gonna work and i don't

want to get too personal i feel like we just met you but has your private life been able to catch up to your climbing life and i'm not about relationships, but it just felt like your entire life was dedicated to climbing. Have you been able to experience life a little bit outside of climbing? Are you still fully committed to the mission? I would say I'm pretty much fully committed to the missions though. I mean, my whole life is focused around climbing. If not climbing, then like you said, the work I'm doing through my foundation, which is kind of tied into climbing away or, you know, what I'm doing through climbing gold, the podcast, which is interviewing climbers. I mean, it's like my whole world is wrapped around climbing.

And actually, I mean, when you say dates, my wife, my now wife. Oh, you got married. Yeah. Let's go. I thought there was no chance. I thought there was no chance that was ever going to happen with the way that whole thing. Same woman from Free Solo. Totally great. Good relationship.

Everything's good. We're back. Yeah. Let's go. I'm so happy for you, Alex. That's awesome news. Yeah, thanks. Well, so we just had a really nice climbing date in Red Rock a couple days

ago where we climbed these two 1,000-foot walls. It was awesome. My wife actually is a, is, is quite a good climber now. And it has been sort of personally peaking recently. So she's climbing like really well and like really strong right now. And, uh, and so it was like fun to go out on a little adventure, climb a couple of walls together and be like, Oh, what a, what a nice day out in the, in the canyons. Oh, that's awesome. You guys should do the Dawn wall sometimes. So Tommy, you know, he shut it down, Alex, we got to get to a break. I can't thank

you enough. Congratulations on the personal success the professional success can't wait for the podcast and thank you for being yourself uh and existing in a time that we're not a lot of people commit fully to their job Peyton Manning just came out with a quote about all the hard work is because of the reverence of football everybody says it was because I wanted to be great and everything it was like he just appreciated the game so much. I feel like you have so much respect and appreciation for climbing that you've dedicated your life to it. I want to let you know we appreciate the hell out of it.

Oh, thank you. I appreciate that because, I mean, yeah, it's definitely been a journey. Well, go win American Ninja Warrior. Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Honnold. Thank you, man. So sorry to interrupt, but I want to let you know that the Sweet 16 matchups are set, and FanDuel and Amazon Original Movies are teaming up to give you more ways to win during March Madness. I haven't heard about this.

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The NFL right now is an interesting place, LeGarrette. I'm assuming you've been paying attention. A team that you won a lot with and know a lot about, they just resigned james white to a another deal a three-year deal i believe but bill belichick has been paying a lot of money to a lot of people with robert graff could you have ever expected this and did they call you to potentially come out of retirement hey we need to bring the band back together because that's what it feels like up there i didn't get i didn't get that phone call but uh but uh i've never seen them spend this kind of money before they they've gone all out

um i'm pretty sure you know one of the main reasons for that was because of you know how the season went last year um i think one of the big moves that they made was bringing cam back i think that's probably one of the biggest moves they made that a lot of people think that they shouldn't have done i still think Cam is a tremendous player. I still think he's a tremendous talent. I think that he can take an organization or a team to new heights, you know, if he has the weapons and if he has the opportunity and the time to prepare. So he has that all right now.

And obviously I'm always going to be a big James White fan. That's my guy. Quick, before AJ's got a question for you there, that offense, you played around the NFL a little bit, but everybody talks about that, the Patriot offense. It's not for some players. Like there's some great players that have said like this offense, I can't figure out. I think that kind of doesn't, I don't know if it's getting talked about enough with Cam, like second year in that offense. Do you think there's a chance to see a massive jump, especially as somebody that's been there, been other places, experienced that offense?

Is that going to help him immensely, you think? And that's another reason why Cam could potentially have a massive leap year this upcoming season? Oh, yeah. And I think that, you know, I think that obviously the offense is complex. And some people can't get in. Some people can't get in some people can before running back uh it wouldn't be as complex as it would be for a receiver or quarterback or someone like that um but i think yeah i think he can i think he can make that leap i think he's still i think he has josh mcdaniels who's in my in my opinion one of the best office

coordinator minds in in the game he has him on his side, and I think Josh did a really good job of making some things on the offense cater to Cam last year to even get him more comfortable with the offense. I think bringing back James White is a huge step. I think signing Nelson Aguilar is another huge step, along with those two tight ends who obviously Cam enjoys throwing the rock to with him being a part of Greg Olsen's career and a couple of those guys. So, you know, that gives him a lot more security

and what he has on the field at all times. You mentioned Josh McDaniels. Like, what makes that guy so special? It's fun to watch him scheme people up. Like, when you can watch a game and see how he – like, his hand is in everything. He'll scheme up all the matchups. And do you think that guy is – is he waiting in line line is he the next bill belichick whenever bill steps down um i think that he i think he could potentially be the new england patriots head coach okay i don't

know so much of of another bill belichick i think there's only one of him i don't know if anybody will even come close to what he's done for the game, what he's done for a lot of players, you know, just the impact that he's made in, you know, in the sport today. But as far as, like, Josh becoming, you know, the next head coach and, you know, the next, you know, guy in line, you know, you got Steve, you know, who's the D coordinator for them now. You have, obviously, Josh who's been around for a

while who's obviously had a head coaching opportunity and had an opportunity to go be a head coach again at some point I guess he I don't really know what happened there but I guess he turned it down he decided not to go yeah the plan you know gave Frank that gave Frank the opportunity to go out there and dominate it in Indianapolis so you know I don't know what is I don't know what the deal is there. You know, obviously he went to interview for the Eagles job. I think that he has the potential to have, you know, an organization like that that he's been a part of for a long time

to, you know, elevate him to a high level. You know, but I feel like if Bill leaves, I just don't think that, you know, no matter who's there, it'll be the same. Garrett, I don't want to transition away from the Patriots time. Were you with the Eagles when Carson was there? I was. I was.

My first year there was his – I want to say his second year. His second year. He was drafted in 2016 or 17. Yeah, and that was the year you guys went on a run though, right? You went on the Super Bowl run or 17. Yeah, and that was the year you guys went on a run, though, right? You went on the Super Bowl run or whatever. And when Frank and he were together, because I talked to him last week here in studio, and he was nothing like I thought he was going to be, by the way. I mean, granted, he is just a country dude. Like, listen, I just want to hunt, okay?

I want to hunt, I want to go to church, and I want to play football, right? I ain't dealing with all this other... Yeah, that's literally what he is. But that Carson and Frank, and you said Frank got football. I ain't dealing with all this other. Yeah, that's literally what he is. It was very. But that Carson and Frank, and you said Frank got a chance to come out here. What is your big takeaway on what Frank will be able to do with Carson and get a chance to kind of witness a lot of success with that over there in Philly? I mean, I feel like the most successful part of Carson's career has been with Frank. You know, I think they mesh well.

I think he's really receptive to the coaching. I think that he does anything that Frank tells him and puts in front of him and tell him, this is what we have to do. I think he trusts it. I don't really know what happened in Philadelphia. I don't know what happened there.

But as far as the coaching, I think that him and Frank are a perfect mesh. I think they're good for each other i think that they i think that they they will they will gain a lot of you know interest from you know from players to you know you know coaches or whatever um as far as them working together i think that they'll get a i think they'll get a lot done i think like i said i think carson is really receptive to how Frank's put things because Frank is a real calm person. He doesn't scream.

He doesn't yell. He just coaches and he stays calm at all times. So I think that really plays a role in how Carson feels and how he performs and how he reacts to it. Is Carson a dude behind the scenes, yeah, in your eyes? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Are you talking about for Indy?

Is he the dude? Just like a guy behind the scenes, like whenever in the locker room you know he's a dude right yeah yeah carson carson cool people i like carson that's great news i i had a personal good dude man you know he he audience of one so you know it's all it's always god first you know and and that's that's for that's for me too you know but You know, but Carson ain't one of those – you ain't going to never see him out and about, nah. You ain't going to never see him doing nothing like that. But, I mean, he's a good dude to be around, man.

He's got good energy. He's got a good spirit. I like him. I like him a lot. Me too. Even more so now with what you just said there because whenever he was brought over to the Colts with a big bag and they're like, Frank will fix it. I'm like, will he?

I don't know if he will. And then there was these stories behind the scenes and then I got to talk to him. And he literally, I think, just lives under a rock. I don't think he knew that a lot of the stuff was potentially. I think he knew rumors and everything like that. But he is just like a dialed in guy. And with what you just said, fucking pumped for Carson Wentz's era here in Indianapolis. Like you said, people think, you know, can

Frank fix him? I think he can. I think he can. I think Frank has the keys to that car and he can drive it and know how fast or slow he wants to. It's an F-450. What do you got, Connor? Yeah, LeGarret, you were in New England when Nick Casario

and Jack Easterby were there. What was your relationship with them and do you think they'll be able to kind of turn around the Texans organization? So I was there with both of them. I like Nick. You know, Nick was kind of a – he was kind of a – you know, he was in fast motion all the time, so you don't really get to sit and talk to him or, you know, get to know him or anything because Bill had him in motion all the time so you don't really get to sit and talk to him or you know get to know him or anything because bill had him in motion all the time um and jack was more like a spiritual

leader type guy so i don't i don't i don't know how what he did correlates to him becoming getting that role with the texans but you know to each his own uh i don't know how that i don't know how that came apart but jack Jack is a good dude. He's a God-fearing man, and he's a family guy. He's a good dude. But I don't know how he made that jump. I don't know what that kind of entails. I don't know how he got into that role.

But he's just on. But Nick is really good at what he does. Have you seen Jack Easterby work before? Have you seen one of his sermons or anything like that? I've seen Jack preach to the choir. You know, I've seen him give us our church talk, you know, during the week and stuff. And, you know, he was a mentor to some of the guys there. But for the most part, he didn't, you know,

I didn't see him doing anything that what he's doing now. I don't know how that worked. He probably got to have good friends in hot places. Very hot. We get the hottest players potentially. But did he do the crip walk on the walk on water bit with you guys? You don't have to answer that god digs what he has so we used to play a game called uh i mean you didn't you wasn't able to do a lot in new england

um so during camping stuff you know some guys probably were able in other places able to go home and do this that another where in new eng you stay there. And we used to get these two trash cans in the locker room, and we'd take the garbage can out, and you just have the bare trash can. And we used to play, you know, trash football. That was just how we passed the time if you didn't have meetings. And he used to do that with us, and Jack got a pretty nice jumper. I used to hoop in the days, man. Jack got a nice jumper.

I've seen Jack do some bits where he showed some explosiveness and some rhythm. I mean, I believe that he's got a jumper there in trash football. What do you have, Diggs? LeGarret, free agency can be tough for running backs sometimes, but nobody's talking about Lev Bell. Why do you think that is? You got me there.

I've been thinking that same thing um i know that he's i feel like he's the whenever the market hit i feel like he obviously right then and there he was the best running back on the market that's in my eyes um you guys have obviously seen what he can do and and how how dangerous he is in the past run game hey you think he lost? You think he lost it with his style of running, how he was so patient? He had that burst and the vision. Do you think potentially those days are behind us, or do you think he's still got it? Oh, no, I think he still has it.

But the question is, is he going to run into another line that's going to allow him to do that? Okay. You know, the Chiefs line was good. I think they were pretty decent, but they weren't able to hold blocks long enough for him to be that. The Chiefs line was good. I think they were pretty decent, but they weren't able to hold blocks long enough for him to be that patient. Obviously, the Jets weren't able to do anything.

I think that a good spot for him to land at would be somewhere like the Colts. I don't know if he's a 25 to 30 carry guy anymore, but, you know, I think he'd be a nice third down, change of pace kind of guy.

But, like I said, I think he has the potential to be, you know, one of the nicer running backs. Granted, given the situation of, you know, whatever that is, shoot, the Patriots, he can go to the Patriots. I think he'd be nice there. You know, I think he's better than Rex. You know, I think he's better than Stoney. I think he's better than a lot of those guys. But, you know, obviously you got James White, who you signed there,

who I'm highly, highly like a fan of. I'm a huge fan of James. But, you know, I think he just got to fall into the right situation to allow him to run like that and play that way again. Going back to when you were playing for the Patriots. Were you going to say another team? Who were you thinking?

The Cowboys. Put that pressure on Zeke. Maybe he'll put that pressure on Zeke. Because after Dak got hurt, gradually Zeke fell off. He started fumbling the football. He started getting a lot less yards.

He was not as decisive in his runs. You know, so put Le'Veon over there. That'll put a little pressure on him. That'll put a pressure on any running back because Le'Veon's nice. He's not to build. He's so nice. Speaking of that, we talk about quarterbacks having confidence. If they lose their confidence, it would be ridiculously hard to get it back.

When you've got to pull the trigger on the next play, is it similar to running backs? A guy like Zeke, could that be a confidence thing? If a guy all of a sudden becomes a fumble and just isn't what they – doesn't look like they did in the years previous? I think it can. I think it can't hurt your confidence. I think that, you know, you can get into a position to where, in your mind,

the only thing you're thinking about is holding on to the rock, and now you're not running it efficiently. Now you're not seeing the holes efficiently. You know, you're not being as decisive. You know, and that all plays a role. You know, like I said, whenever Dak went down, that changed the cowboys whole organization that that goes to show you that he deserves the bag that he got because

it was not the same without him there it wasn't even close i agree i think with with with with zeke you know obviously without without having that security of of that being behind the quarterback or behind the center you know knowing that a lot the, a lot of the offense of production is going to fall on him, you know, it probably was a little bit too much pressure for him. You know, it's very fascinating what you said there about once you, cause they say once a fumbler, always a fumbler. And I would assume running backs know that and they hear that quote as well. And I'm happy to hear that the greatest athletes on earth feel the same way.

If I was to drop a snap in practice, the next maybe three weeks, the only thing I'm thinking is fucking cannot drop a snap. And when you start thinking about that, by the way, you're not thinking about anything else. So whenever you start thinking about like, okay, I cannot fumble this ball, that clouds your judgment. That's how quick you are. Everything can kind of go into that.

It throws the whole synchronization off. Yeah, agreed. It throws the whole thing off. Like you're always a second too late here or a split second too late there or, you know, I might have missed this hole. And obviously in the NFL, whenever it comes to that, if you miss a hole in the NFL, whereas as in college, you could probably miss the hole, back across run back across again the

hole still gonna be there you know in the league if you miss it you miss it and there's no going back to it you know that you could turn a potential 20-yard run to a one-yard carry you know all because you're thinking about making sure I can hold on to the ball or making sure I don't bobble the hand off from the quarterback or you know making sure I'm conscious of if somebody runs behind me, they're going to poke it out or something like that. Hey, I was big on the, you know, the strip from the backside there. Catch me in a basketball court. Hey, in a basketball court, I'm doing the same thing, by the way.

That's like your way of showing that you're giving some effort. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I'm trying. You know what I mean? I'm trying my best. Huh? Can you hoop? Come on, dude. What do you think this what I mean? I'm trying my best. Huh? Can you hoop? Come on, dude. What do you think this is?

I'm a white guy that lives in Indiana. Alright? It is wet, buddy. It is wet out here. I don't know how it'd fare against Jack Easterby in trash football, but I think I'm taking him underneath if I have to, if I've seen his belt buckle performance before. But yeah, we gotta get you. Hey, every time I talk to you, I enjoy it, man. We gotta get you out here we appreciate you so much yeah man i appreciate you guys having

me man anytime whenever you need me to come out there man say the word i'll be there i thank you guys so much thank you for letting me promote promote my new product man lgsfeelgood.com go order that i'm telling you it's the best product cbd product on the market hands down ladies and gentlemen laguerre blunt thank you big shout out to laguerre he's good dude oh yes i enjoy him a lot it's an awesome smart dude like i yeah he was an absolute monster on the field too yeah i think we had a picture of you and him running into each other there was uh you guys i think it was it's probably him running over me no no cakes there in that photo it looks like it might be a problem but you did drive roll the hips there a little bit huh you got in that thing it's a rough angle who

knows if i stayed up i doubt i stayed on my feet hey me saying no cakes there by the way got him that's why it's a rough angle he said you, got him. That's why I did that. It's a rough angle, he said. You know what I mean? There's another photo from that angle, too. Hold on. I do believe we have some breaking news here on Wednesday, March 24, 2021. Ian Rappaport is reporting that the Colts are expected to re-sign T.Y. Hilton per his agents, the Katz brothers, who used to work with Rosenhaus, by the way,

then split, made their own agency, good group of dudes, bringing back one of the faces of the franchise for the past decade. This was always the goal of both sides. Jim Irsay put out a tweet at the end of the season. Aside from T.Y. Hilton, who else should be on the three banners outside of the stadium? He was going to be a free agent. Everybody's like, is this Jim saying he's definitely bringing him back? Then the wave happens.

Then Jim Irsay gives a press conference and says, if it works in the context of our plan, it does work whenever you have T.Y. Hilton. Maybe they also get Sammy Watkins, another weapon, so T.Y. can do a lot more work with Carson Wentz. Ian Rappaport is reporting that T.Y. Hilton's deal is for one year worth $10 million with $8 million guaranteed. Guaranteed spelled wrong by rap sheet, but it's still a good tweet. He will become a free agent after this year. I think this is a good win for both sides. Hashtag bring back or bring home T.Y. I forget what it was. He's all the way back. How would you not bring him back if you're the Colts? You had to find a way. You're

bringing Carson Wentz in. T.Y., like the presence he has in the locker room on the field. I think it makes sense. It's a win-win for both. And I think both sides realize T.Y. was potentially getting swallowed in coverage for the last – because there's nobody else. And I think T.Y. would even say to you, like maybe T.Y. wouldn't say – I would assume he would know this. T.Y., if you put somebody else with him, then they can't roll coverages to him.

His route running ability, he is good. He's very smart. I got a chance to watch him go from rookie to vet, get paid and everything like that. What Reggie Wayne and him worked on and practiced on a daily basis, T.Y.'s a weapon. I'm very happy he's back in Indianapolis. One-year deal, he has a chance to hit business again and maybe, you know, bring in another weapon. Sammy Watkins is allegedly in the building. That would be massive alongside Jack Doyle.

T.Y. Hilton said, one thing I know about this city is that they love me. And I love them, he said. I listen to all the songs. I read all the tweets. I will cherish this forever. It's only right I finish what I started. T.Y. is home. That'll be it.

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Welcome aboard. Let's get back to the show joining us from his attic in ohio ladies and gentlemen aj aj how you doing paul what's happening guys i got to uh see almost all of your uh interview with alex honnold it was good man i think you did a great job thank you i i that was one of the only thank you that means a lot but the um you know i when it was booked he's an alien he's an alien by the way yes he is he absolutely is an alien there's no other person like but when it was booked that type of conversation i would normally say okay let's not do it on the live show let's do this because it's not necessarily something that sports stooge is normally known for talking about so we can do this off air and if it's terrible we can maybe make it a little bit better or whatever the fact that it was batting lead off on today's show i was

like all right let's see if i'm let's see if i can actually have a conversation with somebody here let's see if i so i did real research on that one i was and i've become a massive fan of that guy so i was thankful for you know how much he opened up it was cool there's nobody like that guy though dude nobody no like his demeanor and you you guys showed the clip when he got when he got to the top when he went free soloed uh and he's just bounding back and forth on the rocks right on the edge i'm like no that's one of the scariest parts right there man in free solo they get to the top or whatever, and he just sits on the edge of it with the back,

and he's like tying up his ropes or whatever, and he's like, I think we could have. I think I'm going to do it this year. Yeah, and then he stands up and kind of just like dances. It's unbelievable that there's just zero. It does make sense, though, that his amygdala, okay, is potentially showing no emotion in everyday life because if this becomes your everyday life,

like this part right here, he's going to be exhausted. What if he sneezes, faints, anything like that? You know, like my wife and I will go take a picture. We hike when we go places. By the way, hiking, if you grew up in like Pittsburgh or anywhere, it's just walking in the woods. Yeah. Okay, so I'd never gone hiking before, but I had walked in the woods a lot.

And when my wife loved hiking, you know, she was like, let's go hiking. I'm like, well, I'm excited to do this. As we're doing it, I'm like, oh, we're just walking in the woods. And like, you know, from back in the day, the inner child starts coming out because we used to run through these trails that would connect the streets right so the streets were connected by hills and trails and everything like that and you know when you're going down a hill turn that son of a bitch sideways shuffle down the hill there was a part of like probably you know uh black diamond hiking thing where i was like oh this this is just like i was a kid again sam

obviously incredible hiker she's been doing it her whole life but she was not happy with how much shit I was talking in the middle of hiking like this is what you fucking guys play this is walking in the woods I've been doing this my entire life but then we'll go and take a picture somewhere and it'll be on the edge or something or close to the edge

and it's like man if you just so happen to accidentally like people accidentally fit like I'm fucking dead right now in Hawaii we walk up this rock thing and you look down it's like, man, if you just so happen to accidentally, like people accidentally, like, I'm fucking dead right now. In Hawaii, we walk up this rock thing and you look down. It's just like certain death is right down there. What happens if I sneeze, slip? He's just fucking prancing around on top of these things. After using every muscle in his body to climb up to the top of it, there's not even a thought of like, oh, my leg might just give out.

There's not even a thought of that. If you sneeze, though, you blow backwards, backwards so you're good so you can't sneeze looking away oh because you're saying the core is going back but your head though by the way smack it off the rock and see you later he's a wild he's a wild man though i love i love talking to him though i did enjoy it no he i thought he was great i thought he he enjoyed being on with you obviously was a little different than a lot of the podcasts and interviews that he has gone on over the years. But talking about taking pictures up at the top made me think of, was it a guy or a girl who was taking a selfie at the top over a cliff? Boom, dead.

That became a thing. There's a few. Remember, the people were planking. The plank thing was killing people. Remember, the plank phenomenon happened. I want to bring planking back. I think planking should come back. Yeah, but what happens is it gets in the hands. Something happened to you.

See, that's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. There's no way Nick was talking to me like that. I think he did. But what I'm saying is it gets in the hands of wrong people and they start planking when they shouldn't be planking. It's like those Russian videos that come out where they're doing Olympic gymnastic floor routines

on the top of these buildings and skyscrapers. It's like, yo, I appreciate the fact you guys are doing this for our entertainment, okay? I do appreciate what you're doing, but I mean, that is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my entire life that you're doing right there. People are falling off cliffs playing Pokemon Go.

Chasing shit on their goddamn phone. They're falling out of buildings. Saw some offensive linemen doing it. I said it before. I knew we were fucked. 2-14. That was like a weird craze for a little bit. What was it? Were they like scavenger hunts on what?

Yeah, so you had these apps, I think, where you had to go and you would throw fake balls at things that would pop up in virtual reality or whatever. And I only know that because guys were showing up almost late to meetings in training camp that were pretty vital to our success. And they were coming in like celebrating. And there was like a whisper like, oh, I just got a goddamn Pikachu outside. I'm like, we are fucked. This is what we're worried about right now.

But that became a real thing. Those were a big deal. But yeah, people are fucked, dude. This is what we're worried about right now. But that became a real thing. Those were a big deal. But yeah, people were falling off buildings. I would assume, though, on top of buildings, you'd get real Charizard. Oh, hell yeah. You could not get anywhere else. You know what I mean? Could you imagine the Charizards that Alex Honnold could probably get on the side of those cliffs?

I couldn't even imagine those Pokemons hiding on that granite. I assume Charizard is from the Pokemon game. Well, I gave a go for both there. I said Pikachu and Charizard. I know one of them is there. Okay, good. The Tsar. The Tsar I only know because Billy collects the cards.

They're worth like $7 billion. Yeah. That's a thing. I need to tune into Billy. Is it his Twitch channel? Yeah, it's Twitch channel. It's Billy opening cards. I listened to an adult on a podcast talk about it for 20 minutes,

like their love of Magic the Gathering cards, and they would open them, and they'd trade them and buy them and spend a bunch of money. I didn't understand. Bro, I'm going on a card show at 440, I think. Let's go. What do you mean? I don't know.

I don't know. I was asked to go on a show. It's about NFTs and cards and everything. I'm going on live at 440, and I'm pumped to be a part of it. The coverage of the card business is starting to become its own business. I mean, it is really growing right now, especially with these NFTs. Is it Gary's? No, Gary did say that we should get into cards years ago, though.

And he needs to make an NFT of him hacking the shit out of that guy on the basketball court. Now, did you see that video, AJ? Gary Vee? Yeah, he got his shit swatted on one end, and then he was coming back to play good defense. Didn't get a chance to slap the floor, but he was chasing down a transition layup uh layup basically and he said no easy buckets

and he fouled the shit out of this guy and it got on the internet or whatever and i think it was pretty nice that the guy didn't turn around and punch him right in the fucking mouth which has happened on a basketball court but that's going to be an nft at some point i'd assume and be worth a lot of money gronk had a couple a couple million dollars raised for a foundation with his NFTs. I think Mahomes is getting involved in it. I would assume, I think Logan Paul and Jake Paul had a couple that were out there. They'll buy a bunch of them. Everybody's going to get into this game, AJ.

It's becoming a real thing, I think. Well, going back to this Gary Vee situation where he fouls a guy from behind in a pickup game, probably in a rec center somewhere. You have seen it. No, I honestly have not seen it because when you started to tell me, hey, Gary, whatever happens, and he chases a guy down and hacks him like that, I was like, oh, so he got in a fight.

I assume the guy... That's what we thought too. That guy just blocked him as well. He blocked his three-point shot. And then he fouled him. Retaliation action actually and by the way that is normally potential calls for a potential little bit of a skirmish there but then you yell no blood no foul well the video yeah you do yell that no blood no foul uh the video cut off there was there did we see if there was there was a hug there was a bro hug yeah i

mean you i think the guy was probably like yeah do I want to like fucking just knock Gary V's teeth out right now? No, I'll just eat his fucking lunch on the court for the next 25 minutes. And by the way, that kid probably listened to some Gary V videos to get to where he is in a basketball game where he's swatting the shit out of Gary V and then getting fouled to hell and back by Gary V. So there's probably a little respect there, a little what giveth taketh away type situation.

Especially just because the next time down the court, Gary V came off a screen, and he pulled up like J.J. Redick. Did he? Oh, dropped a three in this guy's eye. Like J.J. Redick at Duke? At Duke, at high school, the way he is on the Pelicans. I mean, he pulled up like J.J. in his prime. Now, I want to let you know, J.J. Redick is awesome.

I think there was a string of – I love him as a basketball player. He was in college whenever I was in college. Loved everything about J.J. Redick. The free throws never, ever missing. And the threes were basically a free throw for him. He would get the ball in college, and it was going in. It was going in no matter what. His transition, obviously, into the NBA has been fantastic,

and he's starting to get wet or whatever but i remember those duke days where jj was just it was it was a non-stop flamethrower from jj reddick for like what three four years or whatever you're a duke basketball fan aren't you that had to be a great time there oh yeah and that's why he was he was like you know the duke most he was like the most hated guy for those couple years at Duke from other people's fans because he would go back. If you remember, he would talk trash to the other team's fans in their student section because you're right. It seemed like he never missed.

Ever. And you know who's Cameron Crazy's got behind him. Oh, hello. He's with a bus. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hey.

And then a guy comes bossing him out, dressed like a little baby or whatever. Yep. That's JJ. JJ loved that. Oh, yeah. JJ Redick used to just, you know, he was born in it. You know what I mean? Greg Paulus.

Oh, Greg Paulus. He was the point guard and went and played quarterback at Syracuse. Yep. I remember him. Didn't play quarterback as well as they said he was. No, he did not. He stunk. He still started. He started for Syracuse

after he hadn't played. Doesn't mean he was good. He played college for four years of basketball, right? Is he the only guy to start for Duke and play quarterback in NCAA? I would assume. So we should give it a little bit of love for that. But I remember whenever they talk, like McBride, for instance, on the West Virginia Mountaineers team, they talk about him as a high school quarterback.

They're like, hey, this guy. There's a lot of point guards where they say, hey, this guy. Allen Iverson, it is a known thing that he probably could have done both if he really wanted to, and Allen Iverson is next level. But the amount of point guards in college that they say, this guy could have been D1 quarterback, I'm always like, interesting. It's very interesting to think that because I like the fact that they're choosing basketball because they love it more and maybe what are their

businesses. But then we got to see it happen, actually. You know, and it didn't go anywhere near what I thought commentators had been saying for years and years and years. I'm like, oh, maybe it's a little bit more difficult just to be a college quarterback than it is to be a high school quarterback. Maybe, I'm not 100% sure, but maybe that's a little bit of a difference there. Yeah, a little bit.

But it's like any NBA player that has a little bit of muscle. I'm like, oh, that dude would be a great tight end. He'd be a first-team All-Pro tight end for sure. Yeah, he'll just go right down the middle. Just easy. For sure. Now, listen, if they were doing – LeBron James would have been incredible in the NFL. I'm not somebody that you're going to catch saying that I don't think LeBron James could go to the NFL. I think those people have

no idea what they're talking about. But LeBron James, I think he would have had to been molded physically, emotionally, mentally to be in the NFL because he's going to take massive shots with how big he is. Now, he's the size of a tackle that they would line up at either wide receiver or whatever. He's going to take big shots there. Not saying his body couldn't have adjusted to that, but just the automatic transition right from one to the other. I don't know if that's... Didn't Draymond try at Michigan State?

Antonio Gates did it right. He goes fresh out of Kent State and does it. And then Eric Swoop, the guy that I threw a ball to on Thanksgiving, he was also a basketball player I believe. That has happened, but I'm just talking to people just act as if it's just like an easy thing to do. Have you seen the footage of

when Draymond, I think he got put in for a few plays in the spring game. Yeah, that was for like a gimmick. Was he all good? He just wanted to do it, so they threw him in for the spring game. What position? He played tight end. Yeah, and they split him out wide. If I wanted to play, just if I was Draymond, I could do whatever I want. Yeah.

I am not picking tight end. We get on the center. Quarterback or put me out at, you know. Why not? Get me out there. They did put him out there, and he got jammed up real good. By the way, that corner, or whoever was on him, maybe a linebacker went out with him or whatever.

In their eyes, too, this is like a – Yeah. Okay. Oh, you think he did? This is – You like my world. That jam, I assume, was a little bit different. I mean –

That's exactly what it was. Yeah. Paulus, he didn't play quarterback until he was done at Duke. Like, there's no possible way you could start at quarterback for like a Power 5 school and then be the starting point guard. Would be dope if you did that. Yeah. I would like to see it.

I would really like to see it. But I think it's a lot more difficult than all those commentators make it. This guy, incredible quarterback, could probably – could have played at Alabama. It's like, fuck. Is that right? Okay, dude. Can we fucking relax here just after how easy it is? I get it that they are freak athletes, but it is a very different –

and it seems like every point guard has that say because you have to be obviously incredibly athletic. You've got to have good vision. You've got to be very smart, all the intangibles to be a quarterback. But there is a lot, I think, of just ridiculous hype thrown out there, like no problem at all. You're fucking relaxed here. Fun fact, Greg Pauls' college head coach for Syracuse was Doug Marone.

Well, and that's the thing about Doug. He's going to bring the best out of his players. That's right. They went one and six in conference that year. Hey, he's back in Alabama. Look out. He's back in college. We're forgetting the best player.

Oh, Doug is? Yeah, Doug, I think him and Billy O'Brien are down there in Alabama, I do believe. It's like Nick Saban said, come on in. We'll remold this whole terrible image you guys got. It's going to be Gase too for a little. Come on, Big V, it was either Gase or Bill O'Brien. Bill O'Brien got the lead in there because that Sports Illustrated article laid some things out that said maybe it wasn't completely

Bill O'Brien's fault. Not sure any articles have come out about the Jets that don't blame Gase individually for everybody's failure. Don't think so, not yet. That's going to be tough. AJ, have you seen what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been able to do? This is unbelievable. Indomitian Suze back, one-year $10 million deal potential.

Good for them. They got almost a whole fucking crew back. And Indomitian, that one-year $10 million, isn't it $9 million guaranteed? Like it's a real contract. Yeah, at this stage of the game, I have no idea how they still have that amount of money to give away. It's what Mike Greenberg down there as a salary cap guy with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Light and Bruce Arians, them piecing this thing together.

It's a puzzle. Them figuring out how to do it. You got to commend them. It's just like the Chiefs. It's just like the other teams that are loading up. But the reigning Super Bowl champions with a lot of potential free agents being able to keep everybody on their team is a massive feat in of itself that should be celebrated. And Greenberg, Mike Greenberg down there, will never ever get talked about again basically.

But he's setting the standard now potentially for a lot of teams' blueprints going forward. Well, just look at the top four names. Godwin, Levante, David, Shaq, Barrett, and Gronk. Those are the top four i feel like they had to get like they wanted to get if they wanted to try to make another run at this thing the fact you're able to get them and in dominican sioux yeah you extended tom brady jeez i mean do they need ab and four net at this point so i think they gave uh lombardi lenny like uh go test go find out

what it's worth and then we'll talk to you afterwards or whatever. Leonard Fournette's stock was probably pretty hot. I'm surprised he has not been signed somewhere. Now, James White just signed back with the Patriots, so maybe there will be a string of running backs here to see who goes where. But I was very surprised that nobody was really going to get Fournette because those last, what, four weeks of the season or whatever, he was playing better than we've ever seen him. He looked like the guy that we all thought he was going to be coming out of LSU.

It was unbelievable. Just won a Super Bowl. I thought he was potentially going to get a deal. Maybe he'll come back on a one-year thing and run it back again with them or go for two. I'm sorry, that's Kansas City shit. We ain't doing that, says Bruce Arians. But Antonio Brown, I wonder how that situation is working as well.

Yeah, are there a bunch of other teams coming after Antonio Brown? And he's trying to figure out, hey, do I want to maybe take a little less to go to Tampa Bay or somewhere else? You know, you can't believe anything that you read because somebody just reported that there's no market outside of Indianapolis for T.Y. Hilton. Okay, somebody tweeted that. I forget who it was, but it was tweeted out by somebody.

Then we just heard there's three teams targeting T.Y. Hilton. So it's like who's putting out what information? Who would it benefit to put out that there's no other market for T.Y. other than Indy? Well, you would think Indy potentially is putting that information out, but Indy doesn't seem to be a team that is just going to leak bad information. So maybe it's some other wide receiver's agent that is potentially putting that. You never know who it is. Then T.Y. puts out the eyeballs.

Then it's like, well, the Ravens are interested. The Colts are interested. It's like, you never know who it is then ty puts out the eyeballs then it's like well the ravens are interested the colts are interested it's like you never know where any of this shit's coming from honestly and then once deals are signed we have no idea if those deals are accurate either it's it's quite a a a cesspool of bullshit that we're kindly trying to kind of make our way through here aj i guess that's why it's so fun to talk about and speculate because there's a million people doing it and we all have a different take and a different opinion on what all of these things are ty is a player when you say if someone wants to say there's not a market for him at what price are you saying like he's priced himself out of the market like there's definitely a market but maybe it's just not at the price that he wants oh so then maybe there's

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