The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 392 - Paul Heyman, Jordan Palmer, Mark Schlereth, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

Todays show opens with Pat and the boys giving an update on how the Masters PGA tour event is shaking up after the first day and what to expect heading into the weekend. Pat then recalls and shares a story from his time as an XFL sideline reporter and the nature of the business. With over 40 years of experience, Paul Heyman joins the show (24.14-45.29) to discuss wrestle mania weekend coming up and Roman Reigns defending his title. Former NFL QB and current prospect trainer, Jordan Palmer joins Pat (46.54-1:14.07) to discuss the upcoming prospects in the NFL draft including Trever Lawrence, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson, and many more. Lastly Mark Schlereth and AJ Hawk join Pat to discuss the NFL game today as well as the NFL draft (1:14.10-1:35.58). Make sure you subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog sports radio, Sirius XM channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, feel good Friday, April 9th. Let's have a day. Good conversations with Paul Heyman, Jordan Palmer, Mark Schlaireth, and we't doing that. This is a compliment, which I would like to let Trevor Byer know, if they think you're cheating because you're so damn good, that is a massive compliment. That's whenever Roger Goodell started randomly testing me after good games. Whenever I wasn't tested, I started wondering if I wasn't worth a shit because he didn't test me. You've got to view that as a compliment. And shout out to baseball for making

headlines for something that isn't baseball yet again. Other than that, let's get to it. Let's talk about the football, the draft, the life on this feel good Friday in, you know, set you up for a beautiful weekend, hopefully of masters and WrestleMania and whatever the hell you got going on. If by the end of the show, you enjoy it, please be a friend, tell a friend. Thank you so much for your dedication and loyalty this week.

Let's get to it. Yesterday the boys got their asses beat by the Augusta. Today it seems like the course is much easier. Maybe made the greens a little bit softer so they weren't just glass. The yesterday's boost that I put out where I thought it was a certainty, a guarantee. I got a lot of tweets from people telling me that I fucked them over or whatever because the boost did not hit.

Excuse me. I think we're three or four out of the last four or five. So please have a little bit of respect. The last time we hit it, we took $5 million from FanDuel total together. Yesterday, we lost, though. Yesterday, that boost lost. And to be honest, I have sent out some questions to the people at FanDuel about why they bamboozled me, why they hoodwinked me,

why did this originally start out at minus 200 when all these alleged golf people that were in the know, they came out and said, knew the course was going to be tough today. We all knew that. Well, then how come the books makers didn't know that because they had it at minus 200 that DeChambeau, Dustin Johnson, or Spieth would shoot under a 68. Only one person shot under a 68 yesterday. And by the way, today they're shooting way, way, way lower.

So I feel like we're potentially set up there. And I don't know if it was Fandle didn't know or if all the books didn't know. But there was allegedly people that pulled a Jay Glazer and said, we knew this was going to happen afterwards. I would want to know who those people are because did we get set up for failure? Potentially. I apologize that the super boost didn't hit yesterday. Once again,

I'll go back to the drawing board so that we can take all the FanDuel's money. And people act as if just because there are exclusive betting sports book that we are the same business. Listen, when I lose, these motherfuckers get my money. Okay? Now, we only bet with these people. They paid us a lot of money only to bet with FanDuel. And we believe that they're the most convenient.

They are the best odds having a sports book. We have actually sent complaints. They fixed them. Like, we feel like we have a great partnership in this whole thing. But let's not act like this is not very much me versus these motherfuckers. I would like to take all their money too. So when you're tweeting me saying your boost ruined my...

Me too! I want to let you know, me too! This did not help me as well. So we will try to take every dollar from them. I promise you that from now until forever. I do not love that the Superboost didn't hit, but we'll get back in there. I'm pumped that the Masters are continuing. It's always nice just to have it on in the background now.

Granted, the Sunday nap, okay, with Masters and then WrestleMania's on. Oh, my God. I mean, Sunday, this weekend is setting up to be beautiful. Because Saturday you get the Masters nap and WrestleMania. Then Sunday you get the Masters nap and WrestleMania. I mean, here we go. We are right around the corner on deck. It is a fantastic weekend.

So let's enjoy the hell out of this feel-good Friday here. Shout-out CBDMD. Paul Heyman will be joining us. He is obviously special counsel to the tribal chief Roman reigns. He has been in the wrestling business for like 40 years at this point. One of the most brilliant minds in the history of sports entertainment will be joining us in about 19 minutes. And when he and I talk,

know that the conversation is good. He came and visit us when we were on Radio Road down at WrestleMania, and we were getting a couple of people that would come through to talk to us. Paul Heyman sat down. It was supposed to be for like a 10-minute thing. He stayed for 35 minutes or something. He would not leave. Didn't want to leave.

Massive fan, a lot of questions. And when he gets on a microphone, his mouth says incredibly entertaining things. Big shout-out to Paul Heyman right here before WrestleMania weekend, taking time out of his day to come chat with us. Cannot wait for that. Jordan Palmer, the founder of the Quarterback Summit, which is a quarterback training thing that goes on in Southern California for quarterbacks going into the draft.

And once you get drafted, maybe come back to get better in the offseason. Last year he was training Joey Burrow, okay, number one overall pick. This year he's training Trevor Lawrence Burrow, number one overall pick. This year, he's training Trevor Lawrence, number one overall pick. He played in the NFL. His brother's Carson. He still owes us a Carson Palmer bobblehead night that he promised us last draft spectacular. Feels like he

potentially lied to us there, but he doesn't lie to us about the things he sees from quarterbacks, what his vision is. I cannot wait to hear his thoughts, not only about Trevor Lawrence, by the way, which seems like it's locked in. He's going to have a great NFL career. Why is that the case? But now let's also talk.

I know you're busy with your guys, and I don't know who all he's training this year, but let's talk Zach Wilson. Let's talk Justin Fields. Let's talk Mac Jones. Let's say why do you think some of these things are coming out now that maybe hadn't come out before? And does he know anything about the Goldman test, which we talked to Dr. Scott Goldman,

and what all does that mean? Cannot wait to chat with Jordan Palmer, who's always a wealth of information. And in the third hour, alongside A.J. Hawk, the boys and I, Mark Schlereth will be here. Let's go. There's nothing really to talk about with Stink, to be honest.

There's no specific reason why he is coming on the show. He is just coming on because he's a great conversation. We'll fire whatever the fuck at him, and he will have a great answer for it. The guy's obviously Super Bowl champion, legend, TV commentator, soap opera actor. I mean, he's been there, done that with everything. So whatever the show leads to, to him in the third hour, we'll get his opinions on it and everything like that. Cannot wait for him.

A couple of the boys are here. At Boston Connors here. How you doing, pal? Fantastic, pal fantastic pat how are you doing i'm not too shabby uh it seems like the patriots are all the way out on justin fields you've gotten very quiet on that whole aspect but now people are saying there's other people saying no the patriots are still going to make a big move have to be a bit conflicted but this is what it's like as an nfl fan going into draft season exactly i'm 50 50 50-50 on it, like you said, but because people are saying, oh, I don't know if the Pats are in it, I just feel like, out of Belichick spite, well, you know, if they're saying

that, I'm going to do that out of, you know, respect for myself. I'm not going to do that. But Jordan Palmer can ask about Jared Stidham. You know, what's Stidham up to these days? We will not ask about Jared Stidham. Whoa! That is not something that'll happen. He's hanging out with Hunter Henry. Who gives a fuck? Why did he sling his balls from the basket?

Listen, Jarrett, shout out Jarrett Stidham. We had a good week, week and a half where we talked about Jarrett Stidham because he was potentially going to be the quarterback that had to fill in for Tom Brady after that entire breakup. And you were, oh, Stodham. Who knows? Stodham is his name. Still could be.

By the way, still could be. But we are not going to waste Jordan Palmer's time with Jared Stidham, who is potentially third-string quarterback on the New England Patriots, depending upon what the Patriots do on draft night. We are not going to do that. But as an NFL fan, looking at the NFL draft, you have a chance in that. Bubba Gumpino is sitting in here for Ty,

because Ty had to go do a personal family obligation. Very important. Oh, yeah. Very, very, very important. Very important. Nothing bad, but very good, actually. But very important. A Gumpy Dolphins fan.

Last year, going into the draft, there was a sense of excitement, I assume. Like, hey, our franchise can change. And that is the beauty of draft season. It's like, hey, our team with one, ding-a-ding, the pick is in. Your entire franchise can change. And that's how a lot of people are feeling right now.

Still there, Pat. We just got to get some weapons. You got to see. Get Tua with some weapons. See how it goes in a full season with him. Yeah, amen. I mean, Tua's going to have to have an opportunity to maybe prove himself or maybe behind the scenes they're like, well, he's good, but he's not great. That's why we're going to sub in a guy who's watching a Masters today, Ryan Fitzmagic.

We're going to put his ass in there in fourth quarters whenever things matter he's now in washington who's allegedly in on trey lance washington football team there's reports coming out from michael lombardi former nfl general manager uh also the founder of the daily coach which is a newsletter he's not joining us right now so i'm not going to go through all his titles the motherfucker does everything he came out and said motherfucker does everything. He came out and said, and he's awesome. He came out and said, the Washington football team is all in on Trey Lance. He said he predicts that there's a chance that they could even make a move to go get Trey Lance in the draft, which would be fascinating

because the Washington football team, they bring back Heineken. After the Heineken, the green bottle son of a bitch put the Tampa Bay Buccaneers potentially in a blender in a playoff game last year. And with how that team performed in an NFC East that is kind of, you know, slaw last year and potentially slaw going forward as well. They bring him in for $8 million. They sign Ryan Fitzmagic for like $10 or $12 million. So now they have two quarterbacks that they're paying a pretty significant amount of money. If they were to make a move up in the draft to go get Trey Lance,

which allegedly where they would have to get to is pretty high if they want to get him, how would they balance that? How would they handle that? Who knows? But this is just another piece of the entire puzzle that is being an NFL fan, that the draft is potential opportunity. The draft is hope. The draft is tomorrow is going to be a better day than today was

and yesterday I got to experience. The draft is everybody thinks they're potentially going to become a team that is going to be worthy of a conversation with one swift pick, one Roger Goodell announcement, one dap up on the screen. And on the flip side, you know, your team could potentially lose the Super Bowl. That's what fans think. We are losing the Super Bowl with the draft pick we just picked. For instance.

Go ahead. Say it. God damn it! The Packers with the Jordan Love. So I think that is why the draft is so intriguing and awesome for fans. And to be honest, I cannot wait for the draft. It is a couple weeks out now, so there is still some time for the draft to come. But I am very, very pumped about it.

And I think the conversations leading up to it are also going to be great. It seems like there's a lot of bullshit. I think we, by the way, have been snooping around trying to snoop out the bullshit there, sniff out the bullshit there. And I think we have done that. That Dr. Scott Goldman test thing is really making its rounds. I wonder if it'll be something that is very much used going forward. Like, ah, but what did the Goldman say?

What did the Goldman say? Goldman's never going to tell anybody. But with how important it has become in the judgment of Justin Fields by people that are not in NFL teams, we're talking about media members, social media, humans, everything like that, I feel like we're just getting to the beginning of real information coming out because it seems like we've been

swimming in a sea of bullshit. God, we should chip in pretty impressive stuff there at the Masters. It was Phil Mickelson. That's what Phil Mickelson does. He's had a rough couple weeks golfing, but he had a 10 or something on one hole last week or two weeks ago.

Fail? Yeah, yeah. It was his short game, too, that failed him, which is now he's back. Locked in right now. He went to the lab. He is all the way back. Abdi Vilezito, what is today's poll? I cannot wait to chat about this.

What are you most excited to watch? And last place right now, we have WrestleMania at 10%. Okay, it's still 10%. Sunday at the Masters, 12%. And then round one of the NFL Draft, 78%. Okay, it's still 10%. Sunday at the Masters, 12%. And then round one of the NFL Draft, 78%. Okay, so NFL is king. Yeah. Always will be.

NFL is king. For all the things we just said, that's 7.3 thousand votes, allegedly. We are getting skeptical of the YouTube polls. So it's funny. I've been refreshing the last, like, basically as long as it's been out. It's only moved. Like, WrestleMania started, like, at 7% and then it went to 10% and it hasn't moved since.

Yeah, well, see, for those that are wondering why we are skeptical of the YouTube polls, it's because for maybe the entire time of us using the YouTube polls, maybe we were just blindly to it because whenever we had our polls on Twitter, we would get some votes. You know, we get like 20,000 votes, you know, 10,000 votes. We fluctuate. 15,000 votes. It would move, but it was, we got a lot of votes. You know what I mean?

We got 10,000. We put one on YouTube. Old Louie Tubes cracked the code. He said, hey, the polls on YouTube, YouTube wants these polls to be big, so they're going to put it out everywhere. So the first day, we had like 350,000 people vote on our poll or something. We were like, well, sorry, Twitter. Okay, we're going to pull it out everywhere so the first day we had like 350 000 people vote on our poll or something we're like well sorry twitter okay we're going to the bigger poll we get 250 000 people vote on these polls 300 000 alleged pollsters there is the polls are just

massive but we've gotten past the blinding of the big numbers. Now we're starting to get a little skeptical of the results because it seems as if whenever these polls start, they set a percentage for one thing or another. And then we'll check in hours later, maybe hundreds of thousands of alleged votes later. And it's the exact same thing. So maybe they're so dialed in that they're able to pick up the percentage quickly from what people are saying. Or maybe, just maybe, it's bullshit. No. they're so dialed in that they're able to pick up the percentage quickly from what people are saying or maybe just maybe it's bullshit no not the people

it's not the people that are bullshit it's not the people that are bullshit we're talking about the potential written results the amount of people voting we're just keeping an eye on it is all we're saying we loved what the YouTube poll was brought to us in a community page at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show.

It seems like, look, 8.9 thousand votes. There was just a thousand and a half votes right there in the last whatever speech I just went on in two and a half minutes or whatever. These things go, go. But the percentages rarely change throughout the entire show. And that's kind of a bit befuddling unless YouTube's algorithms are so dialed in, they get it right very early. Well,

and this one's not going to change either. I mean, we just talked about how the draft is the greatest thing because the endless possibilities for every team. I wouldn't be surprised if this one's like 95% around one of the draft. I like the fact that you're rocking the XFL hat, by the way, let's go. XFL hat, by the way.

Let's go. XFL. We were singing little Eddie Vedder songs. You were. You were singing. I was not part of that. What are you talking about? We were all doing it. That sucks the brain out of your skull.

It's not possible. Whatever's left of it. The XFL, by the way, first time, the first time the XFL was introduced, it was not supposed to be a televised thing. It was created as a live event thing. So it would be like a concert. It would be like a show. It would be something like that.

It was designed basically to do that. Then old buddy, what's his name? Charlie Chapman. What's the guy from NBC? What's the? Ebersol. Charlie Ebersol. Charlie Ebersol. Charlie Ebersol.

Ebersol? Ebersol. With a B? Yeah. Charlie Ebersol, he lost the rights to something. He knew Vince. He approached Vince like a couple weeks allegedly before the XFL started and was like, hey, I need something in my prime time.

And I think Vince allegedly, if the 30 for 30 or whatever documentary it was about it, Vince was like, well, it's not a, this is not for TV. And Everson was like, no, I trust you. Like, let's just, let's put out something. Cause I don't have anything. And then obviously Vince, the first week is this is the XFL. And all the people in the crowd there are all probably wrestling fans. Vince McMahon fans understand it.

But at home, you know, primetime television, a lot of people turn it on and we're like, okay, so we're not going to watch. This is not the alternate to the NFL. It had success, but nowhere near the amount of success that everybody potentially projected. But not Vince McMahon. I think Vince McMahon, once he got on TV, never expected it to be some, you know, like glowing TV sensation. So it disappears.

I assume Vince McMahon, I've only talked to him twice. Actually good. One time. How are you doing, pal? Yeah. Yeah. And then another one, a quick handshake or whatever. I've not. I assume the fact that people labeled it as a failure sat in his sat in his. That was one of those things where he was like, these motherfuckers don't even know that this was supposed to be a live show. It wasn't supposed to be TV. They're judging me off the TV, not the live show. We sold out stadiums. Fuck it, what are we? You know, so I probably sat in there if I had to guess.

I don't know him well enough to make that accurate assumption, but I am assuming that it sat in there. So whenever it was a chance to potentially come back, and Ebersole's kid was potentially going to launch another league, and that thing failed completely. Absolutely failed completely. Didn't pay the players. Didn't pay the coaches. The AFL is what we're talking about. It was a I believe that thing was maybe the most Mickey Mouse operation I've ever heard

from the people that were in it. Like players were like wait till you hear this. I was getting texts from former teammates that were like wait until you hear the shit that we're going through here. We're practicing in some high school with no field. They're not paying us. I had to pay for my motel that I was staying in. Like it was just a complete shit show.

I think football wise, they maybe had it. I don't know, but just the business side of it was bad. So the XFL comes back. Partners with Fox, ESPN, everybody. Huge. We're going to change the way, ESPN, everybody. Yeah. Huge. We're going to change the way, you know, we're going to do this for TV.

We're going to get some legends of the game to come in here. We're going to try to. And that thing was, those games were averaging over a million people per game. Oh, yeah. Okay, and everybody's going to be like, well, the NFL gets 40-some million for a championship. It's like, yeah, yeah, I agree. But go look at what all this other shit's getting. One million people to watch. It's like, yeah, yeah, I agree. But go look at what all this other shit's getting. One million people to watch an exit. They were going,

I saw it firsthand in that first week. Whenever I got a chance to call it on the field, I was originally pitched when I okayed it that I would be in the booth, but then I was switched to the field like a couple of days before. And then kind of like, you know, uh, what's it called whenever they try to make you feel bad, uh, guilt trip. Yeah. I was kind of guilt tripped into like, uh into like, well, you did say you would do it. I was like, no, I said I would be because I was told.

But anyways, I was happy I was guilt tripped in it because I got a chance to experience it. The fans were excited. The teams were committed. They felt like everything was getting taken care of. And then Uncle COVID came through and kind of ruined the whole thing. So I think XFL will always be kind of viewed as a failure

and maybe even some people who are super haters of Vince McMahon or whatever will say a two-time failure. I don't agree with that at all. I don't agree with that at all. I think the XFL was a success. I think the first time it wasn't meant to be a TV success. It was supposed to be a live performance success.

It was at that point. And I didn't know that as it happened, by the way. It wasn't until that documentary I watched where I was like, oh, this makes so much sense on how it all worked out. But the second time, getting a chance to experience it and watch it and everything, I think it was a success until Uncle COVID came through. But people always say, it failed.

Well, and the stuff they tried, right? Like, if the replay was awesome, like, if that gets carried over to the NFL, you've got to think, like, look what they did. Also, the interviews on the sideline, players coming off the field. Like, oh, fuck, that was awesome. If that gets carried over to the NFL, you've got to think, look what they did. Also, the interviews on the sideline, players coming off the field. Fuck, that was awesome. On a hot mic. The Skycam. That's what I was doing here. That was a tough

charade. I thought you were going swimming or something down there. That's what the Skycam does. I mean, you almost took a hand off that game. I was getting yelled at the entire time. 15 yards on the field. I was getting yelled at.

Sideline report. Because the person who I was directly working with kind of knew that I was bamboozled and also liked me. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like they liked me or whatever. I was like, what am I supposed to do? I'm not trained for like people go to school for a long time to be good sideline reporters because there's certain information that has to be timing you have to remember these certain things i'm like this ain't my fucking thing like i'm supposed to be reacting to stuff like okay this is what you're gonna have

to you have to ask for permission to speak so we'll send it to the truck and the truck will send it there they'll give you a yes then you can talk or whatever i'm like okay that's not gonna work like that's just that's just not how it's gonna work they're like well that's how this whole thing goes i'm like okay i'm like where am i supposed to stand am i supposed to stand like they're like oh you can go's how this whole thing goes. I'm like, okay. I'm like, where am I supposed to stand? Am I supposed to stand? They're like, oh, you can go wherever you want. I'm like, wherever? They're like, yeah, wherever you want. Just kind of walk around.

I'm like, okay, you got it. I fucking was what? Five yards behind the fucking line of scrimmage. And I heard in my ear, get off the field. You're touching the logo. Oh, I'm sorry. Am I allowed to talk or do I have to ask? Or do I?

I'm sorry. Do you have to clarify that you have to get off the field? Who am I? Hold on. Okay, yeah, have to get off the field? Who am I? Hold on. Okay, yeah, I'll get off the field. Me walking up to the ref. What's going on? If you had been a pass down, that would have been.

If there was a fumble right in front of me. Jump on it. If that person, if that gets recovered, I have to do like a full O-lay on the middle of the field. Johnny Manziel. Or you're running next to him like, how do you feel right now? Hey, good for you, man. You think you're going to score? I think it is.

You're scoring. What the fuck? Anyways. You think that kickoff will ever make its way around the other leagues or no? What was it? I don't remember. They had them like everybody was already down at the 30, except for the kicker and the returner.

So they boot the ball off. So that's a practice drill for kickoffs. Standing like 10 yards, 5 yards. Now that I remember it, yeah. Whenever you just move everybody on the field, you save their legs, right? So, hey, we're not going to make you run the entire way. We're just going to set it up. That's like a kickoff drill. Okay. I don't know if that'll matter.

I think that seems a bit Mickey Mouse. But other than the... They also moved the ball up five yards on the kickoff. Yep. Because there was heavy wind, and that was like two minutes before the game. I was like, I love that you guys can just walk. On the fly. Hey, I like that.

Yeah. I really, really like that. I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I want to let you know that people go through many changes as we get older. Yeah, of course. You realize it. You see it. We all look in the mirror. We all feel the way we feel as we get older. Yeah, of course. You realize it, you see it. We all look in the mirror. We all feel the way we feel as we get older. And for men, one of the less fortunate

things is that testosterone production begins to naturally decrease in the body. For most men, it begins around the age of 30 and testosterone production declines by roughly 1% per year. Wow. Listen, now that I'm reading it, it's starting to make sense because most dudes, and if you're not a dude listening, I apologize. You're going to get a chance to kind of, you know, peek behind the curtain here. Once dudes turn 30, you'll hear this, oh, it's different once you hit 30. Oh, it's different once you hit 30. I think whenever you're in your 20s, you started feeling it a little bit late 20s, but then once you hit your 30s, everybody says, oh, wait till you're 30. And then the 40s is even worse.

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You know, we're two and a half minutes late here on this conversation we're supposed to be having with this man. And I want to let you know, I am a person that firmly believes you should never take two and a half minutes of mic time away from this person. Oh, yeah. Every time he gets a mic in his hand, magic happens. He's a maestro on that thing. He's currently serving as special counsel to the tribal chief, Roman Reigns, who's also champion.

They'll be main eventing Sunday night's WrestleMania night two, where Roman Reigns battles against Edge and Daniel Bryan. This guy has been a genius in the wrestling business for what seems to be maybe 90 years at this point. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Hayes. Yeah, Paul! How are you, pal? I thank you for that introduction, and I thank you also for being understated in your assessment of my greatness because I don't want to have to live up to a lot coming on this show. So the downplaying of just – I applaud you back, sir.

Oh, thank you. That means a lot. I didn't – you know, it's impossible to really put over everything you've accomplished in the wrestling business, so I just say a couple things so you don't have to really live up to the hype, you know, kind of like a relaxed conversation between us. Yes, sir. I agree with

that assessment as well. Okay, so WrestleMania weekend is upon us. This is obviously always the biggest weekend in sports entertainment. Roman, main eventing night two, the Tribal Chief. How do you feel going into this WrestleMania? There's going to be fans back. That has to be fucking good news, right, for everybody.

How do you feel going into the weekend, though, Paul? With my hands? Besides that, I serve as special counsel to the Tribal Chief, the ranging, defending defending undisputed uncontroverted universal heavyweight champion the main event attraction at wrestlemania roman reigns i feel as he feels and i feel very confident that what we will have this weekend is a demonstration of wwe's new megastar the top box office attraction in sports, entertainment, and indeed sports entertainment, not just in WWE,

but all of sports entertainment, Roman Reigns. And I actually, to be blunt, because I'm older now, I'm wiser, I'm softer, admittedly. No, not when I pop Viagra, but I actually doing, you know, which I really, really blame my children for. And it's why I have contempt and disdain for my own children, because they've kind of made me a mush. And I feel very bad for Edge and Daniel Bryan, because both of them have magnificent, wonderful, heartwarming comeback stories.

And they get their asses... Well, that's such... Hey, by the way, that's why... That's why you are Paul Heyman. That's why you are the man you are. Now, we're going to have to call him back to get a better connection. But what he was saying there is,

hey, now that I'm older, I got a little bit more feelings. You know what I mean? I feel bad for Edge. I feel bad for Daniel Bryan. And for those of you that don't understand the wrestling business at all, what he was doing right there is he was trying to put over who Roman is fighting on Sunday night.

The fact of the matter is, night two of WrestleMania, Roman Reigns, Edge, Daniel Bryan is three certain Hall of Famers into the NFL. One already is. Absolutely going to tear the place down. And any time Paul Heyman gets a talk, you need to listen. Can't be broken up because of fucking service. Yeah, of course. Especially when he's going on about, you know, Roman Reigns.

We're talking about WrestleMania. Well, he was about to go right there. And then, like, in the middle of it, it's just... You know what it is? What's that? Zoom fucking stinks. Yeah, Zoom is the worst thing of all time. Zoom stinks.

Can we get some FaceTimes here? Hey, listen. What are we doing? Come on. Everybody's doing the Zoom business, and I appreciate it because it was very convenient like 14 months ago when all of us had to move to this tech world and we had to meet. I enjoyed it. I got a chance to do like reunion type things.

Old teammates put Zooms together. Classmates put old Zooms together. Old friends groups put Zooms together. It was fantastic. But whenever you're talking about, you know, now that we're 14 months later, Zooms have not adapted or overcome at all with modern technology or their problems.

If you're not having 50 people in one FaceTime, sure. Go ahead. Use Zoom. But when it's one-on-one here, we're talking about Apple. Hey, we're talking about FaceTime. We're talking about what Steve Jobs created. Yes. Then Timmy Cook took the reins.

And what they've been able to build is a connection that Elon Musk would even be appreciative of. That's right. Joining us back, ladies and gentlemen, special counsel to the tribal chief, Roman Reigns. The last answer you gave us was basically saying, I feel how Roman Reigns feels. And you said now that you're getting older with your kids, you're starting to feel bad for things. You're starting to become a mush. You're getting soft. Your words, not mine. Your words,

not mine. And you're saying, Edge, Daniel Bryan, their comeback stories are magnificent. They're big, but they just so happen to have a buzzsaw waiting for them on Sunday night. Ain't that right? Yeah, yeah. They're going to get beaten fugly. There's no way around it. I mean, this is going to be, as I used to say with Brock Lesnar,

this is going to be a prison beating. And, you know, if you're a fan of Edge and Daniel Bryan, I highly encourage you to watch WrestleMania this Sunday because it's the last time you're going to see either one of them for quite some time because Roman Reigns is going to put a Sam Owen-level beating on the two of them, the likes of which they can't even comprehend I mean they're walking in there with their sports entertainment fantasy that they're going to one of them is going to regain the championship which is laughable at best at best they're walking into

the ring with Roman Reigns at the top of his game, just entering his prime, having a six- to eight-month period of his career like never before. They have no clue what they're walking into. Hey, nothing. Hey, at what point, because you were formerly, you did serve as Brock Lesnar's manager, I believe. Advocate. Advocate, so sorry.

Advocate. Sorry. Advocate to the beast. That's on me. That's 100% on me. And everyone, Brock, I mean, it was. I could never do it justice, but that was, at what point did you realize, was it when you were alongside Brock, was it when Brock and Roman took each other on?

At what point did you realize, like, okay, Roman's going to be the guy? Like, at what point did you see it? Did you know all along, or was there a certain moment? At what point did you see it? Did you know all along or was there a certain moment? When Roman Reigns was three years old, his father was working in Continental Wrestling Federation, which at the time, the creative was being head by Eddie Gilbert.

And I was Eddie Gilbert's assistant. And there was a show in Panama City, Florida. And Roman Reigns' father, the legendary WWE Hall of Famer, Sika, came tier star, no matter what he did in his life. It just so happens he chose sports entertainment. But he would have been a star no matter what he did. I knew when he was three years old. That's there you go. There's the future. And obviously, I obviously i mean again now take a look how

did the shield come into wwe the shield came into wwe to protect the championship reign of cm punk and who was cm punk's special advisor who was cm punk's advocate who was standing next to cm punk paul heyman who brought in the shield? Paul Heyman. I've been seeing this in Roman Reigns since before anybody even realized I was seeing it in Roman Reigns. There's a picture, I do believe, of the Hulkster, Seekia, and Roman as a child getting a chance to be in the wrestling business for, I said, 90 years in your introduction, but it does feel like that way. There's these legendary tales of you sneaking into creative meetings when Dusty Rhodes was running things and everything like that.

You've been a lifer for this thing since a teenager. Whenever you see somebody like Roman take his moment as the top guy or somebody kind of build through there, what are your thoughts whenever you see it? Because it's almost a passing of the torch. When Roman got that, it was a passing of the torch for an incredible billion dollar worldwide industry at this point. Well, it's, it's the natural evolution of, of the industry and, and, and any industry that it's, you know, you've talked about Steve Jobs and Elon Musk, and these are disruptors. These are disruptors of the status quo. And Roman reigns as a disruptors of the status quo. And Roman Reigns

is a disruptor of the status quo. He's not content with where the industry is. There's an old expression. I'm sure you've heard it many times in this business, on the football field and in all the other various businesses that you're involved in. I didn't work this hard to get where I am to be content with where I am. And the industry can never be content with where it is or the industry will lag instantly or the competitors will then catch up and cut into your market share. So I look at Roman Reigns and I realize

this is the natural evolution of the entire industry. This is where the industry is headed. And his level of greatness is unparalleled at the moment. And he will be dominant in this fashion until the day comes that someone comes along that can challenge him on his level of greatness, which at the moment no one can. Yeah, it does seem like he has cemented himself as miles ahead of everybody else, especially with you alongside him. I mean, you don't want to say it because you're so humble, obviously, but whenever you get added to to say it because you're so humble, obviously,

but whenever you get added to something, it immediately makes it more important. It immediately makes it bigger because the person speaking for the person or with the person, alongside the person, for the person, however you want to describe it, is maybe the greatest on-mic performer in the history of the business. So I think you need to maybe sell yourself a little bit better, but not that you wouldn't be able to do that if you were to talk about it yourself.

But you're in there. When you get involved with Roman, it gets going so big. The thought this year was that there was potentially a Roman rock WrestleMania. Because obviously, you know, the tribal chief at the head of the table, I believe he was the king of the island.

It seemed like that was a natural thing. Is that something you wanted to see? And who would that be better for, you think? It would be better for Rock. For sure. Oh, my God. Look at the celebrity rub he gets from Roman Reigns. I agree.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's why I asked. The Rock isn't the only A-lister right now that's knocking on the door trying to get into the ring with Roman Reigns, especially at WrestleMania, let alone at SummerSlam, Survivor Series, Royal Rumble, and all the other shows. It's Roman Reigns' time. Everybody wants to get into the ring with Roman Reigns. Everybody, from sports, from entertainment, from sports entertainment, people you wouldn't even think

of just saying, hey, wow, what a platform, what a forum, what an opportunity to rub up against someone. You know, it'd be like getting on to the golf course with Tiger Woods. It'd be like getting to play a game of horse with LeBron James. When someone is that dominant, that on top of his game, that legendary already and hasn't even hit the peak of his career yet, who doesn't want to get into the ring with Roman Reigns? Except, of course, after Sunday, I bet you Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryan

won't want to get into the ring with Roman Reigns anytime soon. Yeah, I agree. Edge and Daniel Bryan probably won't ever want to step foot, maybe in the same building as Roman with what's about to happen on Sunday, especially with how you're describing. I'm sure they have different plans, but the way you're describing things are going to go on. Whenever you have all these people asking, you know, like for a shot at the title,

you know, like, hey, listen, I want to get into a basketball game, a horse game, a three-point contest with Steph Curry. I want to get on the football field, be a wide receiver with Tom Brady or play against some. I want to get in the ring with him. How do you pick and choose? And I'm not saying you do this, special counsel. I assume it's a roundtable discussion if you guys are,

if I'm reading the room right. How do you guys pick and choose which way you go? For instance, Daniel Bryan Edge. This obviously came about. Edge comes back, and he gets himself involved in this instance, Daniel Bryan Edge. This obviously came about. Edge comes back and he gets himself involved in this thing, it seems like. But how do you guys pick and choose where you're going to go for these massive... WrestleMania is massive.

How is this what Roman and you and Jey Uso kind of chose for the weekend? A, what's the biggest box office that we can attract? That's the number one priority. This is the business. The business with shareholders and a publicly traded company and our obligation is to give them return on their investment in wwe two what's the best story because the best story can lead to the biggest box office so what's

the best story three what's the best match um and and and three doesn't always apply to two and one uh but it helps if it does if there's customer satisfaction after the fact that that only helps sell the next show it's it's it's the only it's the old adage that every show is just an audition by the company for you to tune into the next show so but the number one priority is box office this is a business and we're looking and we're looking to attract viewership, and we're commerce facilitators. We're here to sell you on a streaming service, on a pay-per-view, on buying a T-shirt, a souvenir program, a replica title, whatever it is. We're here to make money. And then, of course, it's just a matter of what's the best storyline to get to that money.

Man, Paul, you're so fucking good. There's so many ways I want to go here. The Peacock Network, massive, massive deal for the company that you work for, obviously. That's a big deal. It has been, you know, when the WWE Network happened, Vincent, I assume anybody that was associated with him, was called an absolute idiot. You're going to lose all your customers paying and charging for a monthly fee, taking down the paper, allowing the pay-per-view to be a part of that. Then, obviously, now everybody's doing it. It seems like the WWE is always trailblazers in this entire thing.

How do you, Roman, in the box office attraction, feel about the move to Peacock? Do you like this move? Do you appreciate this move? And how do you see the business going forward? It's a billion-dollar deal. We like billion-dollar deals. We like billion-dollar deals. We like billion-dollar deals.

We now have three of them as a company. We have a billion-dollar deal for SmackDown with Fox, which, by the way, now, think about it, with Roman Reigns and Paul Heyman every Friday night live. Wow, did Fox get us on the cheap? Fox, yeah. Monday Night Raw with NBCU, that's a billion-dollar deal. And now you have the Peacock deal, which is a billion-dollar deal.

And as I told the sports media podcast earlier this week, knowing Vince McMahon, he's already trying to figure out the first trillion-dollar deal. If Elon Musk is going to colonize mars i'm telling you right now vince mcmahon is looking to build a stadium on mars and put a show on it hey that's going to be a vince mcmahon territory huh mars you think though you think that's going to be an entire thing the the evolution of the business i think has been exposed in different fashions, whether it's documentaries on the WWE Network that are incredible, that is now a part of the Peacock streaming service, or if it's something like Young Rock, by the way, which I don't know if you get a chance to watch

on Tuesday nights and everything like that. How and why do you think sports entertainment, wrestling, has been able to sustain for this long, and there's no end in sight, it seems like. Why is it? I believe, let me get as a fan, I'll tell you what I think, and then I'm excited to hear your thoughts on it as well. For me, it is everything you could possibly want. It's comedy, it's live action, it's drama, it's seeing things that you never see before, and you can kind of just get caught up in the stories and everything like that. But even as it feels like people attack wrestling, want to expose wrestling, it has staying power, always will.

Why do you think that is? Because it's good. Easy as that. You know what? Hey, besides the need to reproduce, why do humans keep having sex? Because it's good. You know, it's larger than larger than larger than life personalities and compelling and riveting situations, working their asses off to entertain you in a fashion that you can't find anywhere else.

you in a fashion that you can't find anywhere else. It's also the most interactive product that you possibly, you know, Steph Curry and LeBron James and James Harden, they dunk a basketball. What's the interaction with the audience? None. It's the audience showering them with affirmation for their greatness and appreciation of their greatness. But they're not interacting with the audience. It's not a give and take. The audience doesn't play a role. The audience is just there to witness. Audiences don't witness in sports entertainment. Audiences participate.

And when I really, really, really learned that, and so late, excuse me, so late. Hairball. Hey, we need a big night Sunday, okay? Hey, big night Sunday. Let's not, you know, let's take care of the hairballer. Indeed. No doubt. No argument.

No excuses. And didn't charge much by the hour. So. Oh, I interrupted you. I stopped your flow. We were talking about wrestling staying power and how fans participate and partake. And at what moment, at what moment did you... At what moment?

Yeah. We went to Saudi Arabia for the first time. And I didn't know what to expect because I didn't know the audience's product knowledge of 70,000 people in a stadium in Saudi Arabia. And I'm thinking, I don't know. I don't know what they know and what they don't know. And my shtick for a few years had been, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Paul Heyman. I am the advocate for the righting, defending. I'm a Jew boy from the Bronx in the Republic of Saudi Arabia. And I'm thinking, they ain't going to say this with me. I'm a Jew boy from the Bronx in the Republic of Saudi Arabia. And I'm thinking, they ain't

going to say this with me. I'm just going to just do it real fast and get out of here and just... And I get the microphone and they hear wildly and I'm thinking, wow. I guess they just want to hear somebody talk. And I say, ladies and gentlemen, and

everybody, I mean mean 70 000 people in the kingdom of saudi arabia saying my name is paul hayman holy shit this is so global and and and that that i kind of missed the point because it was so interactive that 70,000 people in Saudi Arabia want you to know their name is Paul Heyman, a Jew boy from the Bronx. And it's just the enormity and the absurdity of the interaction with the audience. of the interaction with the audience. It's why great actors will do movies to pay the bills, but they yearn for Broadway. Oh, my God.

They crave it. They have a lust for that live performance with a crowd. Yeah. Hey, listen. That's the magic here. We've got a crowd coming back this weekend, 25,000. The fact that you guys have been able to entertain people without a live audience, with how important a live audience is, with everything you just said, by the way, and more now that I've gotten a very small,

I would still be undefeated if it wasn't for those two things. Oh, yeah. Those two things happen. But now that I kind of got a small taste of what it could potentially be with the audience and a little bit of a pop and with different protocols for COVID, more and less people in the Capitol Wrestling Center, the more people, the sound.

I mean, that's coming back this weekend. It has to be a very joyful time right now in the WWE. Well, it certainly is for Roman Reigns and Paul Heyman. I'll tell you that because no one's reaction is going to match ours this weekend. I can't wait to watch it. Thank you for your time. I appreciate you. I also found the fact that Goldberg won over in Saudi Arabia also awesome.

I think that ain't a place one crazy over there. I think that is also awesome. But, Paul, I can't thank you enough for your time, man. You're the best. Sir, I am as big an admirer of yours as you are of mine. That's not true. That's not true. You're right.

Come on. I'm trying to get there. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Heyman. admirer of yours as you are of mine. That's not true. That's not true. You're right. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Heyman. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. Thank you, Paul. That was great. That was awesome. That guy was really good. Wow, that guy is good. Real good. Do you hear what people are saying back there? Yeah, he's awesome.

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let's get back to the show joining us now ladies and gentlemen a man who is the founder of the quarterback summit which it seems to be an illuminati of quarterbacks that hang out and train together truly Truly. Yeah. He's a savant in the quarterback business, in the quarterback world. Joining us to chat about everything happening in the quarterback world, ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Palmer. Yeah! Hey, it was loud.

No, I was about to say it was loud that time. We actually had a reminder beforehand, like, hey, Jordan likes this thing a lot. Yeah, I need that energy. I need that energy like you need to get that desk cleared. You got some serious paperwork to tend to. Jordan, listen, you don't even know what you just started. I mean, it has been a topic of conversation, not only around here, but by a few viewers of the show as well. A lot of people say they get anxiety, they get panic attacks. I did happen to spill a green tea all over my MacBook

a week or two ago. I mean, it is, but by the way, I took care of it. Tech guy, I understand what's going on about that, but you're right. There's a lot going on here. What we don't have here though, interestingly enough, you see, we got I believe, Jesus is over there. Bob Ross is there. Aaron Rodgers is here. Shout out Jared Lorenzen. Rest in peace. All right.

A.J. Hawk is here. I think we were supposed to have a Jordan Palmer and a Carson Palmer one. But there was a lie. Just an absolute lie was told to us by somebody. Is that true? Somebody sent me the address because it's a Carson Palmer 2002 bobblehead from the draft. We were in a suit and a Bengals hat. And you asked for both of our autographs.

And I have it. So I need an address. Okay, so we're making progress. Okay, we appreciate that. We'll get you the address. Let's talk about the draft, though. Does everybody get a bobblehead draft? And does every person that gets a bobblehead at the draft that gets drafted first,

do they just train with you? Is that what happens? Is that how this whole thing goes? They get an NFT, and then they sell it for a trillion dollars. That's how they follow along with this emerging market. But, no, this has been a fun year. It's been an interesting draft year with Trevor, just with the surgery and the pandemic. And then the early pro day.

We bumped a pro day up six weeks, which has really never been done before. And so it's been an interesting offseason, but it's been a blast, and I'm ready to watch this draft. I think this one's going to be awesome. This first round is going to be fireworks. It feels like there's going to be a lot of action. And before we move to that, I do want to ask one more question about Trevor Lawrence.

Why, why, why did he have to move that pro day? Is that for the wide receivers? I mean, why did he want to just do one? Why was it like a man? Cause immediately upon me seeing it and they're like,

he's getting surgery tomorrow. I'm like, who gives a fuck? Why is he even, cause he's got a full rehab. He's got a, he's his throwing motion, right.

Could potentially be a little bit different than it is right now. If he getting a shoulder surgery anything like why why did he have the pro day? I don't understand because it's been locked in right. He's number one overall. Well, I don't know that anything's ever locked in until it's all said and done and we can speculate all day long and we can come up with, you know, scenarios where we can see other things happening. But, you know, that's my assumption for sure and you know I had an opportunity to still have a pro day for him but get the surgery done early so that he wasn't rehabbing right before training camp he was preparing before training camp and so he did and everything went really smooth and this dude Pat you would love this guy he's just kind of like a ball player and you know doesn't really care too much about all this other stuff i think one of the biggest things about trevor is i look to see him transition into the nfl is you know a lot of these

guys were big-time recruits and that's fine but he was like the face of recruiting for like a year or two which means like when you're in high school every single thing you do there's a mil kids have camera phones out at seven on seven tournaments just waiting for you to throw a pick yeah and then he's the face of college football for three years. I actually think being the franchise quarterback in Jacksonville will feel smaller than being the face of college football for three years. So I actually think it'll be less of a deal. And he's handled the magnitude of being the face of college football really well.

I'm excited to see how he handles this. Now he has the chance, and this is why he's going number one overall and why he was the face of college football really well, I'm excited to see how he handles this. Now he has the chance, and this is why he's going number one overall and why he was the face of college football and recruiting and of the 2021 draft. By the way, for the last three years, he's been the face of the 2021 draft. They're like, well, Trevor's going to go. If he won last year, everybody's like, oh, he would have won one last year, that whole thing.

But the reason why he has that is because there's a chance, it feels like, with this Jacksonville team, with the way Urban Meyer's operating, and the way the Shad Khan is investing, and they're rebuilding, and they're doing this whole thing, and you get Trevor down there, there's a chance that he's going to become one of the faces of the NFL, too, pretty quickly. It's nice to hear, though, that with all that scrutiny, all the eyes on him, he's maintained an ability to remain normal. I have no idea how he would do that. That seems like a trait that should be one that is being talked about a lot whenever they talk about Trevor Lawrence, don't you think?

100%. When I evaluate, and I think we've talked about this, when I evaluate quarterbacks, I always look at two things first. I look at confidence and maturity. And I don't need to spend too much time talking about Trevor Lawrence's confidence in himself. When you step in as a true freshman and do what he did that first year at Clemson that says all you need that shows you everything you need to see about his confidence

but really his maturity is what I think sticks out the most and it's how normal he stayed through this whole crazy three four five year stretch it's how normal he stayed his circle's the same he's super kind to everybody he's like as kind as you can be for still being a dog on the field which you have to be um but really i think it's the maturity if you think about it he really started the let us play movement for college football oh yeah and and i know that the nfl was watching the ncaa to establish protocols and see how things were going to go so he's actually a big reason we had football this year. Okay. And if you had to pick one player who didn't need to play this year and his draft stock wouldn't be affected, that'd be your guy you pick. Right. And then when George Floyd died, he really utilized his platform to speak to the social

and racial injustice. And so here's a guy that could have just said, you know what, I'm just going to like, if we play, I'll play. If we don't, I'll collect my check in a year, sit back, see what happens, work on my short game. This dude wanted to play ball and he wanted to use this platform for good. And so he's about as mature as I've seen at this age. He's going to turn Jacksonville around, huh? I think so. And I think Urban, you know, I work with a lot of guys, but I'm evaluating all these spots. I actually think Jacksonville is one of the best landing spots I've seen in a while in terms of what they're doing, the way that Urban is going to be cutting edge

and think about building players and the way he's going to use data analytics and sports science. I think they're going to build something really, really special there. Brian Schottenheimer, Daryl Bevels, the coordinator, they just have brought in some just really, really cool people. And this owner will spend, and, you know, Schott and Tony Kahn, and they're very cutting edge and forward thinking. And to have a quarterback where you kind of know exactly what you're going to get

day one is such an advantage when you're trying to build an organization. and schlegel's down there as the director of sports as well anthony schlegel you know what i mean linebacker ohio state legend of a man i love you i played with schlegel i used to hunt with schlegel i didn't know that yeah yeah he got hired he got hired down there he's like i'll tell aj hawk right to his face that he's my favorite linebacker i've done it already hey join, join the club, dude. Schlage is all of our favorites. Schlage is a great Instagram follower. You want to get motivated on 6 a.m. in the morning,

you go pop on his story. He's taking that to Jacksonville, which adds to your point. It feels like what they're building down there, if you bring a bunch of good into a building, now you have to have a direction and a mode, but normally people can figure it out. It's whenever you have turds that get brought in

and they start getting patted and everything goes. But the situation you fall upon is the direct correspondent, I think, for your success ability early in the NFL. Now, obviously we saw what happened with Joe Burrow. He almost lost his head. I think he broke all of his ribs. Maybe got a femur broken in a couple games. He got absolutely mangled,

but he's playing great football. When Andrew Luck came to Indianapolis, our team was not the greatest team roster-wise, but the building was a good building. So it felt like the athletic trainers, everything matters. I like that Urban Meyer set Trevor up for massive success there. Have you got a chance to kind of see any of

the other rookie quarterbacks that are coming out this year? And do you expect the same amount of success as last year's rookie quarterbacks? Yeah, you know, I think it's interesting. Last year, we saw Joe played a really, really high level. He didn't have great protection, but he had great weapons. We saw Herbert really just more impressive than the stats and the numbers to me was the way that it started for him getting thrown in versus the chiefs after tyrod taylor had his incident with the training room and just you know i so just stepped into that and and uh and was so mature um unfortunately what we're seeing happen is like justin herbert's success is now making the narrative in miami should they

draft a quarterback because he wasn't it's like he's not at the pace of this other guy and I just think the whole football community world needs to just blow their roll and let these guys develop at the pace at which they'll develop and so when I look at this year I see Trevor coming in I see him getting hot early you know for Zach Wilson if he goes to the Jets that's a big gap from BYU with a pretty soft schedule to the Jets where that's a that's a roster that's in rebuilding phase so I would not expect instant success from Zach Wilson I expect him to become a great player but my expectations are not going to be well he's the second pick he should do what Justin Herbert did well he doesn't have the same weapons and he's got an entire new organization, new building.

I think that will be a great pick, and that will be a great spot as Robert Sala builds it. And then, you know, if it is Mac Jones to San Francisco, I think that, you know, he hit the lottery, getting a chance to play in that system with that defense and that run and pass game coordinator in Kyle Shanahan. I think a lot of people could be a good fit right there but if that is Mac Jones which is what everyone's kind of talking about

then I would see him to have pretty quick success because again playing quarterback at Alabama and and the pressure and the magnitude of that especially when you're you know because you're coming off of a championship probably right a year or two before that's not that dissimilar from being a franchise quarterback in this league in terms of the pressure and what comes with that. And so I would expect if that is Mack there or if it's Fields there, I would expect, you know, quicker success based off of the roster, the people dialing up the plays, and then the program they were just coming from

and the competition they played against. Let's talk about the Mack Jones-Justin Fields thing there. And Mac Jones, I mean, the COVID year, I assume it's not going to be similar, but it's still Alabama. You know, it's still SEC, so it's a national championship, still a national championship. The thought, though, of Justin Fields being the number two guy in this draft class, it feels like maybe as long as Trevor Lawrence has been locked in as the number one guy,

it's like this guy is the guy or whatever amongst the quarterback circles then after the season he starts to drop for whatever reason other Zach skyrockets Mack comes out of nowhere obviously after the Heisman finalist year that he had and he gets in there I'm just now learning that Justin Fields took a test from Dr. Scott Goldman and one of the tests is a recall. He scored like the highest or whatever, allegedly. Now, the doctor won't give out any of the results. Who knows who gets the results? This is what Sanchez said, who I think lives near you, might be in the area there.

Have you heard of this Goldman test? And is the fact that Justin Fields scored the highest in that one area, allegedly, is that not something we should talk about more, you think, especially for a quarterback position? Yeah when i had heard that i and uh and we were going to talk about it i reached out to sanchez on my way over here and he was explaining it and further and essentially what it is is the guys tested about 6500 nfl players uh and i don't know names and who or what and it was really really high i think it was up there or higher than everybody else's so i don't know that

we need to look into that and make a big deal about it i wouldn't because i've spent enough time with justin to know that like like mental aptitude and learning an offense like what are we talking about here i've been around this guy this guy is as sharp as he needs to be um you know he's learned multiple systems in college he's done everything that they've asked him to do throughout this process and i've spent time in the classroom with him um i think part of it is i always look at quarterbacks as two things i look at as intelligence and exposure right intelligence is how smart is somebody exposure is have they learned good things right you can be smart and have not been exposed to anything that's helpful you cannot be smart and been exposed to really good football right

so i think justin is really really smart and maybe as much as anybody in this draft has been exposed to really good quarterback development from ryan day and that staff they they develop quarterbacks they they don't just say hey grip it and rip it man throw it wherever it feels good they tell them where to go with the ball they tell them him who to key. They tell him what the progression is. And so with Justin, I hear a lot of talk about him throwing to the first guy all the time. Yeah, that guy's open a lot. He's distributing the football. The only knock, and it's not a knock, the only thing that I think is a big emphasis for Justin early in his career

is going to be that time clock in his head when he's in the pocket, not holding on to the ball too long. And Pat, that comes with reps. And it's not reps on the practice field with me. It's not reps in the gym. It's not reps in the film room. You got to play and you got to work on that time clock. It's the time clock to when you catch that long snap and you get ready to punt it. It's different when we're doing it on air than in a game.

That's the time clock. You've got to work on that. And so with Justin, that'll be the biggest thing for him. I have zero concerns with him, his ability to throw, his ability to process things, nothing. I think he's going to be a star, and I think he's the second quarterback in this class. Hey, by the way, that's – hey, okay.

I think that too, but everybody else is telling me and us that we were stupid. He was the number two for a long time. Happy to hear that the quarterback guru himself feels the exact same way. In the timing thing for Justin Fields, a lot of quarterbacks have that. That is something they want to extend a play, make the most out of every single play. I think I've overheard Andrew Luck having conversations with people who are potentially telling him and asking him why he does it.

He says he feels like that's how football is supposed to be played, where it's like no yard left behind, no play left behind. But in the NFL, health is better for everybody on your team if you don't get killed. A couple of those shots, I would assume if I was quarterback, would make me like, okay, I'm going to try not to get killed by that guy ever again but hey pat i respect the player on that too people people in college football versus the nfl it's a

different approach to to moving the chains so in college football they throw it most of the time and when they run it a lot of times they're big gashes in the nfl on first and second down it's two three four yard gains on the ground right so most of the time in college football, when he's got a drop back in that pocket presence that we talk about, it's usually because it's third and long because they kick it out early on first and second down or they gash. They get 15 yards to carry or rip 30 yard runs because it's college football in the NFL. It's a lot of two and three,-yard gains on first and second down. And so for him, I just think that he's either gotten rid of it quick or had to make something happen on third and 14, which that's why he's holding onto the ball because he runs a 4-4

and he's trying to make a play. I would too. So I don't think it's as much as it's a problem that can't be fixed. I just think it's a point of emphasis. He'll emphasize it. He'll get better at it. And if you want to talk about athletes in this draft, he's one of the best athletes on the board, not just the quarterback position.

Yeah, and he looks like he got a little bit more yoked up even and still ran a 4-4 because sometimes guys put on a little bit of weight because at that position, you might take some bigger shots and then they get a little bit slower. He still runs a 4-4. Hand time. I don't know if that's hand or laser. We don't know if it's hand or laser, okay, because the COVID, Pro Day,

everything like that. But very fast, incredible athlete. Can't wait to see it. And he's not the only one that potentially holds onto the ball too long or tries to make a play. Let's talk about another guy who potentially became a victim of circumstance in the NFL mightily, and he's only 23 years old. Maybe the oldest 23-year-old in the history of the motherfucking NFL.

This guy is the oldest of all time. You have obviously a relationship with him. We saw the celebration when he got traded. Sam Darnold gets a new home in Carolina. Joe Douglas just came out and said he hopes Sam does great, like he's not going to feel bad because he says, we're not going to be able to turn this thing around quick enough for Sam. It felt like Douglas knew, Sam probably knew,

there's going to have to be a fresh start. Let's figure this out. He's now in Carolina. How does this make you feel as a friend, I'd assume, of Sam Darnold and a confidant of Sam Darnold? He was on your IG the day that it happened. How do you feel about this whole thing? You guys got to be pumped for him.

I'm jacked, man. I think he's been in one of the worst, most difficult spots that we've seen a high pick be in recently. And Baker Mayfield was in a really tough spot three years ago. You know, like three head coaches in two years. And then, you know, Josh Allen's rookie year, his number one receiver was Kelvin Benjamin, right? So he's not like by himself here and being in a tough spot,

but it never got better from a scheme and all that stuff. So the jet, whatever happened, it's over, it's done. What I love about Carolina moving forward is you've got the wealthiest owner in the league. I just saw that in Forbes. He's like a lot wealthier than everybody else. A lot. Hey, philanthropist too.

He's giving back a lot of money. You know what I mean? Hedge fund guy. Let me get all hedge fund guys let me get all the money let me get all the money and think about this too from what i understand is self-made so for you to make that amount of money in one lifetime not like three generations of family oh yeah you don't do that by slowly trying to make marginal gains no you're gonna do that by putting your foot on the gap and rolling. Like, I feel like I'm watching a Pat McAfee wrestling show. Brother, I appreciate it, brother. If he's going to bring that mentality to this,

they're not going to wait around and hope to develop over the next five. They're going to go. And I actually called a Baylor game for Fox a couple of years ago and, and did my, my, uh you know my press where my interview with uh Matt Rule the day before and this is a true story I'm doing my I did my little media thing and I was I was talking to my brother uh it was the day before the Baylor whoever they're playing and I called my brother and I go dude I just met one of the raddest coaches super humble this guy's going to be a star I literally called my brother after that meeting and i didn't other than preparing for that game i didn't know who matt roll was yeah it was so

watching him get that job last year like and him being blue collar he wears the same clothes all the time he doesn't care about any of this other stuff he's just super blue collar that's sam darnold so i think that's a perfect fit and then when you have christian mccaffrey we can talk about what christian mccaffrey does in the run game in the past game but when you look at it through the lens of what he does for a quarterback and similar to sam darnold little brother slash you know whatever uh guy i work with kyle allen was is is the same and he played he was playing for the carolina two years ago it's the same thing what thing. What Christian McCaffrey does for a quarterback is 20 to 25 times a game, the quarterback doesn't have to make a play.

Whether I'm dumping it to you, whether I'm flicking it to you, whether I'm handing it to you, that's 20 to 25 snaps a game where the quarterback doesn't have to make something happen. And I would argue that almost every single play that Sam had in New York, outside of a traditional handoff, he was in a position where he probably was going to end up needing to make a play. Got it. And so what that does to you as a player is you only got to make a play half the game, not the whole game. Brady, Joe Brady, one of the things that he did, the offensive coordinator, because I worked with Joe Burrow, is people thought at LSU, Joe Burrow's senior year, that Joe Brady came from the Saints. He's probably running all this NFL stuff. No, they won with simplicity. They let Joe make decisions pre-snap at LSU and drop back and play. And that's exactly where Sam Darnold has had success. Adam Gase had, I think, a lot of things going on that's worked with other players.

But what suits Sam is let him dial exactly in, protection-wise, what we need to do, and then let him play. And Joe Brady had a ton of success with Joe Burrow at LSU with that. And I'm predicting the exact same thing the difference is he's got Christian McCaffrey Robbie Anderson and DJ Moore DJ Moore is a much better receiver than the NFL community gives credit to and I think he's going to be a rising star this year in the NFL fantasy football sleeper DJ Moore hey look at you with a little fantasy time there we appreciate that the fantasy community says thank you to that. The football community about DJ Moore thanks that fact as well, but the Sam

Darnold rise could be awesome to watch as well. What you were saying is you said quarterbacks have had success like this in the past. The only quarterback that's had success with this guy is Peyton Manning, so you're saying Peyton Manning, Sam Darnold, different quarterbacks, got it. Connor, what do you have? Yeah, Jordan, since 2010, a lot of teams

have traded up to try and get a quarterback. You know, the stats aren't too good supporting that decision. Do you think guys like Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond, even Ian Book would do well in the NFL if they were picked, you know, in the third round or after that? Or what do you think about that? Well, I just think for those mid-round guys, if you're not really at the top of the first um it really comes down to development and we're heading towards a world where there are no otas and where there aren't as many pre-season there are no pre-season games or there's one pre-season game and so the opportunity to develop uh is getting thinner and thinner which means that

it's kind of less like we evaluate this middle of the pack quarterbacks mid-round guys we evaluate them on like arm strength and hand size and all that shit when the reality is it's like no how good are they at getting thrown into an awkward situation and handling it well because that's the only way that you can develop so outside of the top four or five guys in this draft class i actually have a guy that i worked with this year, Shane Bichelle from SMU. I have him as the next guy because he's got a track record. He's got 44 starts, first off. So he's played a ton of football. He's been at two different schools.

And so he's developed and he's been thrown into some really tough situations. And he has a track record of balling. So for me, if you're not going to take somebody in the first round, I want somebody that I don't have to get a million reps to develop because I don't have a million reps to develop him. I've only got training camp and in season practice, which that guy's not getting any reps. And you're talking about developing with zoom and with people like me,

it's like, No, I can't take somebody in the second round and expect him to poof develop. There's not enough reps like there was back in the day. And so if you're going to take a mid-round guy, you better take somebody who doesn't need a lot of development. They may not be as tall, as fast, as strong as the top five guys, but I need somebody who can handle horrible situations well, because that's how you're going to develop into the third, fourth, fifth round pick who ends up being a starter. The fascinating thing is the passion in which you speak of the development is probably what led you to create the Quarter, fourth, fifth round pick who ends up being a starter. The fascinating thing is the passion in which you speak of the development is probably what led you to create the Quarterback Summit,

which is probably why it's having great success. So congrats to you all. Yeah! Thank you. It feels like you would rather not have to do it, but you put the cape on and said, listen, if somebody's got to teach these guys how to be pros and to become better quarterbacks, I will do it.

We appreciate that. I got a tweet from at Stampede Blue, which is a Colts blog. And we talked about this guy yesterday with the Colts. Have you worked with Jacob Eason? And what, like in Indy, we've had Phillip Rivers. Now, obviously, we have Carson. But there's a community on the internet every single time a quarterback decision is made. Like, you're wrong.

Jacob, you already got the guy. Jacob Eason. What is this guy going to be? You don't have to. This doesn't go long because we're running up on the internet every single time a quarterback decision is made. You're wrong. Jacob, you already got the guy. Jacob, is this guy going to be – you don't have to – this isn't going to go long because we're running up on the time here. But is that guy a dude? And what do you think about him? I think he can be a dude. I was around him at a young age, high school when he was at Georgia. I haven't been around him recently.

But, I mean, you guys know, big, strong, talented, physical, big arm. But, again, he's that fourth-round pick, I believe. So he's really going to benefit from reps. And that development has to happen in games. It's not how well you throw the out route versus air. And so they've got to figure out a way. And I've read that they know this. They've got to figure out a way to see what he can do when the bullets are flying.

But if he doesn't pan out, it won't be for physical reasons. And if he does make it, then I know what he is physically. So if he's the rest of that too, mentally and emotionally, can handle all that, then, yeah, they may have a really, really good option here moving forward. That's cool. If Carson gets hurt or something happens, it sounds like we potentially – because I think Frank Reich, also a good coach, I think he does do good quarterback stuff, which is why everybody loves coming to him.

I appreciate you answering that. We have about a minute left until a hard out. So what I'm saying here is, if you're a serious listener and the conversation gets cut out, we do apologize because we have a quarterback guru, and all we've talked about and been forced to talk about for two weeks is fucking quarterback play. We have a lot of things we'd like to figure out. Diggs, what is it? Jordan, I just want to know if you were invited to Trevor Lawrence's wedding

this weekend and what you get the future first overall pick for a wedding gift. Smart, what do you get him? Ooh. That's a good question. You get him a Carson Palmer? I get him a stand-up paddleboard because that's about the best bet you got. He's going to probably live on the beach. I used to play in Jacksonville. He's going to need to get a stand-up paddleboard because that's about the best bet you got. He's going to probably live on the beach. I used to play in Jacksonville.

He's going to need to get some stand-up paddleboards so he can cruise that intercontinental or intercoastal. How nice is that, by the way? You know, like Jacksonville, Matt Overton, my former long snapper with the Indianapolis Colts, he got signed by the Jaguars or whatever. Who was that? Was that anybody cool?

Was that anybody cool? Was that Trevor? Was that Trevor? No, that's the herd up next. Oh, wow. We apologize. It's top of the hour, though. It's top of the hour, though.

They got like four minutes or whatever. Plenty of time. Yeah, we got plenty of time in this entire thing. So I apologize. Last question. The Jacksonville, though, Matt Overton posted a photo. He was like running on the beach as soon as he got down there. I had no idea. It is literally

right on a beach down there. It's a great place. Hopefully Trevor Lawrence says great. Hey, we appreciate you, Jordan. Have a good one, bub. Awesome. Thanks so much for having me, man. Big fan. I love watching what you guys are doing. Well, good luck on the next show. Probably better than this one if I had to guess. Ladies and gentlemen. Let me know if you want to talk draft

again. That was fun last year. We are having the draft spectacular. You come back on, yeah? I'll come back on. This time I'll dress up. Maybe if you send that down bobblehead. We don't have the bobblehead, too, by the way. Almost coming up on a year.

It's funny you reminded that now. But we don't know what the dress code is going to be yet. True. We don't know what the dress code is going to be. We will let you know, and we will send the address for the bobblehead. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Poff. Big news.

Yeah, there's big things coming. I'm making a rather large life-altering. No, I'm joking. A rather large decision. We're doing something big here relatively soon. All right? In the next few weeks, something is going to be announced.

The show will never stop. The show will continue to go on, but another chapter is about to get added to it. Will it be a trip back in time for some closure? Potentially. Will it be a promotion on something that is

potentially already out? Potentially. Or will it be something brand on something that is potentially already out? Potentially. Or will it be something brand new? Potentially. Yeah, we have big things popping off. I'm very excited about it. Joining us now to not talk about that, but talk about everything else going on in the world,

ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. A.J., how you doing, bud? I'm doing great, guys. Jordan, I really enjoyed, actually. I watched your whole speaking deal with Jordan. He was great. He gave you a ton of good info. He was, wasn't he?

Yeah. And there's been times where Jordan. Why are you looking at me like that? You're giving me the look like you're up to something. Hey, hey. You pitched Schlegel over here. Schlegel. Yeah, that's. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Schlegel's my favorite Ohio State linebacker ever, too. He should be. Well, I mean, let's not get crazy. When General Bob Carpenter was at the front, you know, I think a lot of people potentially were like, you know what? This guy brought back Big Ten football. I love that guy. This guy brought back.

Maybe we love General Bob Carpenter, but the fact that you three were together, I could not even fathom. I cannot wait to meet Schlegel in person. I assume he's electric, as is the person that's joining us right now. A very handsome man. He was an actor. He was a football player. He's a Super Bowl champion.

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of you well i appreciate that man it's hell out of you. Well, I appreciate that, man. It's very kind of you. I didn't get the name 100% right. I forgot what it was. That's Friday. You know, it's not about the name. It's about, you know, filling your belly up, right? I saw you. I saw your golf swing the other day,

and all I could think about while you were typing one right down the middle of the fairway, all I could think about is, I think I could put Pat in a three-point stance, and I think we might have some success, dude. You look like a guard right now. And I'm telling you, not like fat thick. I mean like good thick, like a good thick. I do appreciate that.

I have been trying to – I am a spark plug of a human, okay? I always have been. So when I go through my stages, I am a spark plug of a human, okay? I always have been. So when I go through my stages, it is very obvious. I mean, it is gut, chin, everything like that. Right now, I am on the process of getting into the best shape of my life. I'm back in the game. But I appreciate the thickness, respectness out of you there, though. Yeah, I would tell you this.

If we put your lower half on my upper half, unbelievable. We're the Rock! We're the Rock! Oh my goodness. It would be unbelievable because my boobs are gigantic. My upper body is freaking phenomenal. With them

sticks you got on the back end there, those things are, I mean, those are tree trunks right there. I think we would be the world's perfect human. Well, that's the rock. And I wish what could have been, man, what could have been, it would have been. It would be science to be able to figure it out.

Let's assume Elon will. Let's move forward here with a conversation about the football. And I know AJ was pumped to be on alongside you here as well. Mark, football draft coming up. What's your big storyline? What are you thinking about? Are there any good offensive linemen coming out this year? Do you fascinate yourself with that or no?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the Slater kid from Northwestern is really good. Obviously, Sewell from Oregon is a phenomenal player. You know, here's the thing about the draft that's funny to me. It's like, you know, the New York Jets right like they get rid of Sam Darnold who they just drafted three years ago and they're going to replace him with what apparently is Zach Wilson right and no disrespect to any of those guys I'm sure they're great players but here's the thing about the draft that fascinates me is that we act as though every guy

that plays quarterback is going to come fix our franchise like if it didn't work with Sam Darnold why do you think you could put him in that same situation or another quarterback in the same situation and have it work at this time to me it's like when I bring home toys for my granddaughters right they love those toys right that I bring a toy through the door man they can't wait to play with it. They spend 15 minutes, 20 minutes playing with it. Oh, Popo, you're the best. This is great. But you know what? When it's time to go to bed, they're finding that binky,

right? They're finding that security blanket. They're finding the good old things that actually work, right? Which is building a football team, having good football players. Like, to me, from the quarterback position, there are four or five guys. You have one on every week in Aaron Rodgers. There are four or five guys. You have one on every week in Aaron Rogers. There are four or five guys who are unicorns who cover warts. The rest of the

guys expose warts. When you were in Indianapolis, Pat, I used to say this all the time. I thought that was an eight, eight football team without Peyton Manning. And they went 12 games every year and people in India would get so pissed at me. They'd be so pissed. And then you know what, what happened? You guys lose Peyton Manning. You go two and then you know what what happened you guys lose paid man you go 2 and 14 i was like you hey i way overestimated the talent level on that team i think there's literally four quarterbacks that cover warts the rest of the quarterbacks expose them so you're selling this bill of good to your fan base that's absolute garbage it's great now we're gonna fix it because now we got zach wilson and It's, hey, now we're going to fix it because now we got Zach Wilson. And then three years from now, now we're going to fix it

because we'll take the next guy, you know, that's hotter than wolf piss. It just doesn't work that way. Build a football team. Don't just draft quarterback after quarterback. Hey, what about the other side of that trade? What about the Carolina Panthers? What do you think the message is to their fans going out and grabbing Sam Darnold?

Do you think he can kind of find a way to to revive his career well you hope that if you build a good team around the guy you know you can take some pressure off the guy they've got a really good receiving core out there they still have issues to me you know blocking people up front um obviously mccaffrey comes back mccaffrey's a phenomenal player as you guys well know. That defense, to me, is a little bit suspect. That 3-5-5 or whatever it is they're playing over

there. At one point, I think I counted nine DBs on the field at one point. Your guess is as good as mine on that one, AJ. I think they're going to try to resurrect his career. I will say this. I like Matt rule. I think Matt

rules, one of those young guys that really coaches his players. And, um, and I appreciate, I appreciate that about him, but obviously there's a lot of work to do in Carolina. It sounds like everybody likes Matt rule, by the way, me and me and AJ got to call a game. He was coaching whenever he was at Baylor. We met him the night before. It was like, oh, this is just classic football guy. That's what this guy is. He's just classic football guy.

Just talked to Jordan Palmer, who, you know, I think he has a relationship with him or whatever. He said he went and told his brother, hey, that guy's rad. This guy's rad is what Jordan Palmer said about it. So I feel like in last year, everybody's like like they got the right guy in Matt Rule in Carolina. It feels like the narrative is he's going to be a damn good NFL coach. There's not a lot of those two. You say four or five quarterbacks.

There's not a lot of great NFL coaches either, Mark. Right. Well, I think, you know, I always say this about my own business and some of the ventures that I get into. You're either in the relationship business or you're going out of business. And ultimately, as a coach, man, you have to be in the relationship business with your players. And, you know, you have to be authentic and they have to trust you. This is why I thought it was funny last year when Tom Brady,

the first game of the season, throws three picks and Bruce Arians just eviscerates him, right, in public. And people are like, oh, that's not going to go over well. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, there's no virgin meat on anybody's ass if you played for that guy. I mean, he's going to rip it off. And that's who he is. And he would be, he would lack authenticity if he didn't treat Tom Brady the same way he treats everybody else. And Tom Brady the way what makes him great is he expects to be coached he wants to be coached hard so you like authenticity is so important building that relationship and asking your guys I mean you played for a guy that's probably as authentic

as anybody I've ever met in Tony Dungy it means something right that's important and you don't all have to have the same personality but there are personality traits that are important that last the test of time. And those guys, the guys that have that, I think get the most out of their players over the long run. I know you get to go when you're traveling around doing games during the year. You go and you watch practice usually a day or two before the game. Do you notice anything different over the last 10, 15, 20 years? Do coaches coach different?

Do they have a different approach, or is it pretty much similar as it was when you were playing? I think, like, from practices that you see on Friday, I think they're pretty similar. I mean, there's not as much, obviously, you know, there's not as much contact and there's not as much of that stuff that goes on. But the practices are similar. You know, there's this fine kind of juxtaposition between doing your work and having fun.

And, you know, you see the teams that are having too much fun are almost just slappies, you know, just really not getting work done. And then you see the teams that are having a good time, but the practices are sharp, they're crisp, and everybody is totally tuned in. And so those are the things that I see. I always think back to my own career and the teams I played on. You know, Fridays, we had a blast, but it was about doing the work. Perfect.

Getting the work done. Perfect. And you could do it, and you could still have fun doing it, but you could tell that with the teams that are really dialed in and well coached. Yeah, like those those Fridays, Fast Friday or the walkthroughs like there's been some that I've been at where it was like perfection was demanded, in commanded almost. And then there was a couple of times where there was some shit happening. It was like we're looking around like, oh, this team's going to stick. We got a we're going to we're to potentially, you know what I mean?

There's a couple where you have to have a group that's locked in but still enjoying themselves. And I think that's a team-led thing that can happen, although the coach has to be, you know, all in on that thing. It's just building a team, a successful team, is incredibly difficult because all the different personalities and X factors and shit you can't account for. So whenever teams are able to do it, I always incredibly impressed what do you have dicks mark

i think i may know your answer here but the bangles are sitting at five and say that there's jamar chase kyle pitts and penny sewell all there and you had joe barrow killed last year do you automatically go to tackle there do you take a weapon and they brought in riley reef this year how hard is it to move a tackle who's been left tackle his entire career to right tackle, or do you put the rookie at right tackle? Yeah, I think I would probably put the rookie at right tackle. You know, in transition, I mean, I remember Jonathan Ogden starting off at guard before he moved to left tackle, and he became a Hall of Fame left tackle.

So because they had Tony Jones at the time, one of my teammates, late great Tony Jones. because they had Tony Jones at the time, one of my teammates, late great Tony Jones. So, you know, that to me is something that's easier to do with a rookie. But ultimately, you know, it's the ultimate team game, and everybody is a dependent position. But I always say about, you know, the wide receiver position in general, like 10 other guys have to do their jobs exceptionally well for you even to touch a football. So I don't understand why people have become so enamored and why that position has become such a diva position.

I mean, the next time a team is one wide receiver away from winning a championship will be the first time in the history of the league that has ever happened. So I am, you know, I'm all about taking care of your line of scrimmage. You show me, just go through the playoffs. The team that physically won the battles on the line of scrimmage won every game in the playoffs. Far not. Okay, let's talk about one of those offensive lines. This is actually Connor's question. It seems like there's a young guy on that Super Bowl championship team that's a fucking monster.

Yeah, is Tristan Wirfs the next guy? Because he was throwing around 405 pounds like it was nothing yesterday on Twitter. Yeah, I saw that on his uh on his just cleans right just uh hang cleans 405 it was yeah he's i'm telling you he was such a good player last year um and did such a phenomenal job coming in at the right tackle position and just being locked down the whole you know the whole season long which is incredible and and you, they did a great job. They've got insight. I love the scouting department.

Jason lights, a friend of mine, but what he has done and their scouting department, think about this. They've got a division three player. You know, I think Allie Marpet is there's division three player from Hobart, then a division two player from CSU Pueblo in their center, Ryan Jensen. And then their right guard is a Division II player. I mean, you want to talk about scouting, right? Going in and leaving no stone unturned.

And then you bring Werfs in there, and they were phenomenal. They were phenomenal all season long. They're nasty. They play nasty. I really appreciate that aspect of the game. And, you know, when you look at what they were able to do, especially in that Super Bowl, on both sides of the ball, dominating the line of scrimmage, and I'll have to give credit, you know,

they were able to dominate the line of scrimmage as a defensive line, a lot of because of what guys like A.J. Hawk did at the linebacker position. You look at what Devin White and what Levante David did and the way they got depth, the way they took away the intermediate quick routes and made the homes hold the ball. They were phenomenal in that realm. Hey, whenever he was in between, when he was going to re-rack that, every time I've hankled and I've thrown some weight around on a hankler,

you know, you always put that down. I normally put that down. He walked with one foot at one point, had that thing. Here's the video, and we'll try to pause it at the moment. I knew, oh, this guy is a fucking beast. He does it easily. He doesn't really drop it. Right

there, he's on one foot holding that thing. It's just like, alright, this guy is a fucking beast, obviously. And he's a rookie. AQ Shippen is down there. He was like, hey, this guy might be the best offensive lineman to ever play when this thing's over.

What do you have, AJ? Dude, that makes me want to get on a cycle right there. I mean, just straight up. Just straight up. I'll just go and sip an eight and get here. You never know. Maybe you can give it a shot. But when you're looking at these O-line,

I know I've heard people talk about how tough it is to evaluate them coming out of college. Do you see that? I know college offenses are starting to morph in the NFL game, but a lot of times, yeah, it's like basketball on grass as people say. Can you evaluate them the same way you used to be able to? I think it is more difficult. I mean, you definitely see a guy that has foot quickness,

that has great sets and great technique. So you can see that. The problem that you get into is in a lot of college situations, the ball is out so quickly. There's a lot of times on the line of scrimmage you don't block anybody. You know, it's all about release. It's about uh you know about uh optioning a three technique like like i watch that and i'm like who the hell options a three technique right i mean i've never seen anything like this so the college game is funny that way nobody's in three-point stance

oftentimes so it's hard to see if a guy can really come off the ball but on the outside you can see things and skill sets that translate. You know, your ability to set, your ability to stay low and strike guys. I think the biggest thing for me is how a dude strikes guys. There's a lot of guys in the NFL that are a lot of guys in college football that catch guys. And then do you strike in an upward fashion? Do you create this leverage from low to high playing?

Because that's that's really the key to playing that position and those things translate you can see those things yeah there you go there you go oh oh yeah there it is there it is baby give me that sandbag you know what i mean what do do you have, Gumpy? Yeah, Mark, we've been talking about the possibility of Teddy Bridgewater to Denver the last couple days. Are you sold on Drew Locke, or do you think that would be a good fit in Denver? I'm not sold on either.

Really? So, you know, again, I think Teddy Bridgewater is a really great mentor. I think he's a good player. This comes down to the quarterback situation again, like we talked about when we started this thing out. Here's Teddy Bridgewater. Gets an opportunity to play in New Orleans a couple of years ago and goes 5-0 with his chances to start.

And he parlays that into a $60 million contract. And then what happens? Well, you're on a team that isn't nearly as talented. When I look at New Orleans, you know, I see a left tackle who's a pro ball pro, a right tackle who's all pro. I see a running back that's all pro. I see a wide receiver that's all pro. I see a tight end that's a pro ball player.

I see a guard that's all pro. Like, do you get what I'm saying here? Defensively, I see two defensive ends that are pro ball players. I see a corner that's one of the best in the league. see a guy hey are the broncos all right are the broncos one of those teams though that has enough talent to potentially turn because it feels like the team is being talked about as if the expectations are real but there's a massive question mark at the quarterback still they're everybody's saying i think there's a massive question mark as far as talent is concerned and depth is concerned.

And so, listen, you know, people get enamored because you find starters in the draft. Like, hey, we had four starters in this draft. Man, what a great draft. Is it? Is it really a great draft? Because you've got four guys that are starting. Listen, crappy teams, shitty teams still fill 22 starters.

We don't go out there and say, hey, listen, we only have seven guys that are worth a shit, so we're only going to start seven guys in this game. So there are teams that have to play backups as starters. That's the way it works. And so when I look at them, yeah, you dropped some starters in the last three or four years, but a lot of those starters should be backups.

And so I would argue with anybody that sits there and says, well, they're really talented. They're just a quarterback away. No, they're not in that division with Kansas city and what the chargers were able to do last year, if they get healthy. And I, I just don't think they're even close right now, whether it's Teddy Bridgewater or anybody else playing quarterback. I love that you mentioned or failed to mention the Raiders in that conversation there, just because, you know, old, old bruises die hard there. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Just go. Well, you know, you know that I hate the Raiders. Yeah. They lose every game. So and Gruden's a buddy of mine, but he knows how I feel.

The those starters, by the way, you referred to there in Vegas and Miami in the offseason. No starters. You know, they're still vegas and miami in the offseason no starters you know they're still getting me the juice um mark where are you traveling to bub seems like you're in an airport yeah i am in airport i'm heading to arizona as a matter of fact i was driving to the airport i called my daughter avery and told her i'm heading to the airport and her friend dan was over he was really worried he goes well aren't you on a show in like an hour? And I was like, no, I did my show this morning from Denver. He goes, no, no, no, you're on McAfee. And I'm like, relax, Dan.

Now, Dan, you got to, Dan's a little guy. Like, I got to fold him up and put him on the back. So I'm just like, relax, little fella. Papa Bear is going to find a place to sit down and do the show. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. I appreciate that you've been yelling incredible things. People are probably in your phone, and they can't hear the other side, obviously, just walking by you.

There's this non-masked madman screaming over there with dude across his forehead for dude wives. You're the best, dude. I appreciate you. Hey, those are my dude wives, man. the best, dude. I appreciate you. Hey, those are my dude wives, man. You got to have a clean crack. Bring back the happy crack. Exactly. All right.

Safe travels, man. We appreciate you so much. You're the best. Mark Schleyer, please. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. The fact that you do, I am forever grateful for. From myself, all the boys who I am very, very thankful for as well. Incredible work this week, their passion.

I can't thank them enough. And for everybody listening, you're the greatest, man. The guests that spend some of their time talking to us and exposing some of their thoughts and feelings on the things that are happening around the world, I can't thank them for their time as well. Very grateful. Feel good Friday here.

We hope you have an incredible weekend. We'll be back on Monday with some more bullshit. I think a pretty big show coming Monday. Actually, if I do recall from emails that I've seen and I am up to something, uh, Ty's not here. He's out doing something rather important in his life that is good,

not bad. Safe travels to Ty. Mitt, please play some independent music and propel these people into an incredible weekend. Cheers. We'll see you Monday. Be a friend, tell a friend. Bye.

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