The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 394 - Julian Edelman Retires, James Jones, Tom E. Curran, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 13, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about Julian Edelman's retirement after 12 seasons in the NFL and why he was such an incredible player and why it's unfortunate that people jump directly to the Hall of Fame discussion, plus they look more at Aaron Rodgers' contract situation and why it is so interesting. Joining the show is Super Bowl Champion, 2012 NFL leader in receiving touchdowns, Green Bay Packer legend and friend of the program, James Jones to chat about what he thinks will happen with Aaron Rodgers, who he thinks the best QB is in this draft class, what it is about rookie WR's coming into the NFL and being successful right away, and how long it took to develop his chemistry with Aaron Rodgers (19:37-43:24). Next, NBC Sports Boston Insider and friend of the show, Tom E. Curran joins the program to chat about Julian Edelman's retirement (he co-wrote a book with Edelman) if he thinks the Patriots are a playoff team now, and much more in a hilarious conversation (45:41-1:02:52). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk chat about everything happening in the NFL and the world and potentially book a big guest (1:14:53-1:46:03). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And once again, I can't thank you enough. Let's get to it. It has come to our attention that there are some things happening outside of the sports world that are potentially devastating for a lot of our society. What we hope to be on a very regular occasion and have been, hopefully, for a lot of people for a long time is a mental vacation from all the real things in the world because we are sports stooges talking about sports stoogery. Today, there's a lot to talk about yesterday a man retired who has played football at a very high level for a long ass

time a man who i have do-si-doed with on the football field numerous times a man who has spurred a conversation now whether or not he will be a Hall of Famer. And that conversation will probably continue, if my guessing and expectation is correct, probably for the next 30 years. I believe at some point Julian Edelman will end up in the Hall of Fame. I do not believe he will be able to go into the Hall of Fame anytime soon, strictly because his stats are nowhere near what some other wide receiver stats are who will definitely go in before him. But I do believe with what Julian Edelman was able to accomplish

throughout his whole career I believe he will be a Hall of Famer eventually now is that me not giving an answer on whether or not he's a Hall of Famer I think it's an answer I just don't think he's going to be a first ballot I don't think he's going to be a second ballot Hall of Famer by the way a lot of people aren't first ballot Hall of Famers or second ballot Hall of Famers, but I believe Julian Edelman's work of art in the NFL is worthy of a Hall of Fame knock on the door, probably by the same guy 20, 30 years from now and an induction in there. I think whenever I punted to him early in my career and then until Tyreek Hill basically started returning punts he was the guy I feared most as a punt returner he took one to the crib against us in the same

game he almost took another one back where I had to tackle him actually and it was pretty good tackle made a highlight list I mean it was it was a pretty good it was a pretty good tackle but he was about to juke me okay by the way and I had to actually pick him up and go, no, no, you can't get two in the same fucking game on me, Julian. So I put him down, ruined my stats for the entire year. He was always somebody you knew was going to give absolutely everything on every single play. There was no give up.

There was no quit. There was no nothing. And it felt like Tom Brady would go to him in moments where he needed a play to be made. He was probably going to end up going to this guy, who I just learned very recently via Gronk's promo he cut on Fox, is nicknamed the squirrel. Now, the reason why he was an incredible punt returner in something that doesn't get talked about a lot, they only talk about his wide receiver stats and everything like that, is

because I think he played football in a fashion, and Bill Belichick summed it is he was fearless he was committed he was explosive he had great vision and it felt like no matter what happened his teammates rallied around him he was the only returner for a good bit of my career that would not have a conversation with me before the game I was going to be punting to him he knew I was going to be punting to him I knew he I was going to be punting to him. I knew I was going to be punting to him. He would be catching punts from their punter right next to me, which is kind of how it always worked. You would kind of punt the opposite way. And every single time, I would try to spark a conversation.

I'd say, hey, how you doing? How's it going? And they would probably say, not bad, or whatever it was going to be. And I'm like, hey, if we get into the open field today, don't run me over. And normally there's a good little pop there, you know what I mean? And they're like, no, no, no. that's you or whatever they would normally say in a complimentary fashion back because I've been told that every returner was shown an entire highlight of me tackling people basically saying to them going into the game like cannot end up on this list

there's a lot of people on there because for returners getting tackled by the punter is not necessarily a a good thing so I would always try to set the tone and warm-ups I would try to win them over a little bit hey try to juke me you know so then I could potentially use the old bait and tackle where oh oh a little bit of a round white little bit slow try to get the edge I'm gonna close that thing I'm gonna go for it so whenever they try to run you over though there's really you know you're kind of stuck in the track so I was always you know I was always trying like hey don't run me over we get in the open field in Josh Cribs actually we got into the open field on a kickoff and he tried to run around me where he very clearly could have just

shoved my face right into the ground he tried to run around me I wrap him up I tackle him as he's standing he looks at me and goes I should have have tried to run you over. And I laughed and I said, you got it. Julian would not talk to me, would not even say a word. He actually caught two punts, the one more. So he caught a punt and I was trying to talk to him. Then another punt, catches another punt and then just runs off. Ultimate competitor would not say anything. I ran into him in LA in the off season.

It was after I was doing something on NFL Network. would not say anything. I ran into him in LA in the offseason. It was after I was doing something on NFL Network. And they asked me to rank my top five, I think, most feared punt returners or whatever. And I put them at number one. I put them at number one. I was like, this guy scares the shit out of me.

He's not going to give a fair catch. He's going to try to make the most of every single play. It was on NFL Network. It aired. That hit the social media. And everybody's like, oh, so he's the best returner you've ever seen. It seen it was like well he was the one I don't like playing because he just never I'm a fair catch guy and he never gave a fair catch or whatever so kind of spurred an entire conversation we run into each other a couple weeks later he said he thanks me for that situation we have an

embrace we have a couple drinks we have a good time and ever since then it has been an absolute delight following him in social media his his documentaries, the things he creates off the field, whether it's with Danny Amendola, the short little bits, or the burger time thing, or whatever it was, watching him dominate on the field. I am a massive fan of Julian Edelman as a football player, and I was very fortunate to play against him. Now, I think he's a Hall of Famer. I think it's going to be a long time whenever he finally gets in there. But I think he's going to go in. Now, let's go to at Boston Connor, who is a New England Patriot fan.

I'd assume you guys absolutely fucking love Julian Edelman. Oh, yeah, put him in the Hall of Fame first ballot. No doubt about it. I mean, when you look at everything that he's done over the course of time, you know, he's played defense, he's played special teams, he's played offense. But I feel like rarely do you see a guy retire like this, and every single person comes out with something, you know, positive to say.

There's nothing negative about Julian Edelman that you saw yesterday on the internet, at least. Well, yeah, yeah. The immediate negative was Hines Ward's not in. Reggie Wayne's not in. That's the immediate, which stinks, by the way. Phillip Rivers retires, and instead of taking two minutes of saying,

hey, Phil, hell of a run. Hell of a career. Nice job, Phil. Hell of a run. Instead,

it immediately goes, not a Hall of Famer. It's not the Hall of Good. It's not the Hall of Good. Literally, immediately upon the guy's retirement, he hasn't even been able

to pick up his whistle at that new school where he's coaching at. They're like, not fucking good enough. Hey, good run, starting quarterback for like 25 years in the nfl not good enough you stink get

the fuck out of here sorry it's about time you're tired man we've been that's kind of what started happening yesterday with julian edmund yes everybody who played alongside of him i think and played against him was like hey this guy love him love him love him and then immediately everybody's like not all of it don't even start the whole thing conversation and by the way i understand that's a society we live in. But it kind of stinks that that's immediately what everybody goes to. But by the way, you've got to be pretty fucking good if that's a conversation that's happening immediately upon your retirement. Yeah, I honestly thought Heinz Ward was already in the Hall of Fame.

Me too. Just to be clear. He won Dancing with the Stars. That was the parade. Okay, that was different. See, if I had, I had a Heinz Ward parade where he was sure see if i had i had a heinz ward parade where he was by himself yeah so i was like oh that's probably hall of fame it was actually dancing with the stars he won okay well in either way though right like you remember a heinz ward

you're gonna remember a julian edelman whether he's in the hall of fame or not and that's all you really want from a career right is to be remembered especially in new england yeah yeah we chatted about this off air a little bit. And that was, I think, last night as I was laying there thinking there. I was like, okay, got to talk for three hours tomorrow. All right. What are we going to talk about? I have to talk about Julian Edelman.

Oh, okay. So now everybody's going to want to hear whether or not I think he's a Hall of Famer. I think he is a Hall of Famer. And then it was like, but if you say that, you're immediately saying he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. It's like, well, by the you say that, you're immediately saying he's a first-bound Hall of Famer. It's like, well, by the way, I'd put him in first-bound Hall of Fame. I don't think others will, the people that hold the Hall of Fame

at a level that is so, by the way, that's their right to do so, the prestigious level of whatever. But for me, I think the Hall of Fame is a celebration of the game. And I think just like with Philip Rivers, I think Philip Rivers is somebody that the NFL should be like, we had this guy, he had 75 kids, never swore, played for blah, blah, blah. I think that is what the Hall of Fame is in my eyes. It's like a museum almost.

Like, hey, this is what we have. I think Julian Edelman has done enough, in my eyes, to be remembered among the game's greats for the decisions and the plays that he's made in critical situations that will be played 20 to 30 years from now when he goes in and people will be like holy that catch yes yeah that catch against the falcons absolutely insane his punt returns the highlights everything the big third downs that had to be made it was just like those moments i think are worthy enough of a conversation for him to be in the museum of the NFL at some point.

There was one play I saw, and it was a third and 14 with 10 minutes left against the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl, and he gets destroyed by Cam Chancellor, but holds onto the ball first down on a third and 14. It's just so many of those plays that you just forget about. The throw to Amendola against the Ravens. There's so many little things like that where it's like you forget how awesome this guy was, but then you watch it again.

It's like, okay, yeah, put him in the Hall of Fame immediately. So Chuck Pagano used to say, listen, the game is a boxing match, okay? There's going to be a lot of jabs. There's going to be some of this. There's going to be a couple there. Here's a play. Here's a play. And then there's going to be a boom. Something's going to be some of this. There's going to be a couple. Here's a play. Here's a play. And then there's going to be a boom.

Something's going to come. And the play doesn't know who or how it's going to be made. The play just needs to be made. Is it going to be on your side or on their side? And it feels like some of those plays get forgotten about where maybe a play happens in the fourth quarter, 10 minutes left. If it's not made, then all of a sudden this entire dynasty is potentially completely different and it feels like julian has a lot of those plays throughout

the thing it's like the play that really made or changed this entire game which potentially led to this entire narrative of the greatest dynasty in the history of sports was made by this quarterback from kent state here out of nowhere i mean it was just i feel like there's a lot of those situations which is why 20 to 30 years from now, when he's talked about, they will say all the things that we're saying, and he will get his spot in college. Yeah, do you think Brady being the quarterback and everyone saying, like, well, you know, it's Edelman, but also he had Brady throwing him the ball.

Like, do you think that hurts these guys, like Welker even, kind of? Well, you've got to think, like, Reggie, right? Yeah, exactly. Reggie is unbelievable. But Marv got in. You know, Mar marv had payton so i don't know i think you have to have a great quarterback to be a great wide receiver yeah i think you it's mark schlayer said it the other day kind of as a hater by the way of other positions but he was like no team has ever been one wide receiver away from winning the super bowl he actually said 10 other people have to do their jobs incredibly well for a

wide receiver even to get the ball or whatever. He was a hater, right? He's an offensive line guy. He was hating about that whole thing. It's not 10, actually. It's probably just about seven, but that's a very valid point. There are a lot of depend-upon positions in the sport of football, which is why it's the ultimate team sport. The quarterback has to depend upon the offensive line. Wide receivers have to depend upon the quarterback, which has to depend upon the offensive line. There's so many things that have to go, but I think it's going to be hard to be a great wide receiver

if you don't have a great quarterback. Yeah, I'd agree with Schlereth aside from the fact that the Packers were probably one wide receiver away last year from a Super Bowl. if they had a little bit more depth just one more just a little bit more depth maybe two by the way hey let's not get crazy especially with what the Buccaneers are doing down there the Buccaneers just added Giovanni Bernard who a lot of people have compared exactly to James White of the New England Patriots even being the longest tenured running backs at the teams that they were at in Tom Brady and James White had massive success together, check downs, short throws.

Now the backfield for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is as such. Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones, Giovanni Bernard. That is to be added in with Chris Godwin, Mike Evans, Gronkowski, Tom fucking Brady, Cameron Brate in a retooled offensive line, an entire defense that's hot and just won a Super Bowl. Scooty Miller. Oh, Scott. Yeah, come on.

Scoot, scoot, Scotty Miller. I completely forgot about that. It may be probably Antonio Brown coming back as well. If you're a team that doesn't have weapons, you have to look at the top of the conferences and be like, holy shit, it's nice to have an absolute arsenal of talent around you. And Ty, I hate to go back to this, but it feels like the Green Bay Packers are capable of potentially keeping up with those teams, especially because the guy who's hosting Jeopardy is still very well. Yeah, still crushing it. Still crushing it on Jeopardy. He can

make any throw to anybody. The offensive floor feels like he knows the offense inside and out now at this point. You get two, three more weapons out there, four or five more weapons. Yeah, five, six more weapons. You have to think like that, though, as a fan. Well, and the thing about this kind of stuff, it just reinforces that the salary cap, I feel like that's such a shitty excuse. It's just an excuse to use when you're not doing stuff because look how many people but look how much money the bucks didn't

have any money and they resigned everybody they brought everybody back they found a way to do it so whether it's they have a guy who is very good at manipulating the salary cap right i just feel like you can't sit back on that and use that as an excuse constantly when other teams are finding ways around it well in you see see Giovanni Bernard sign down there, and you go like, of course. This is like the old school Patriots. When Bill Belichick would do something, it was like, of course. Now, like, if the Buccaneers bring somebody in

or the Chiefs bring somebody in, they're like, of course. It's just like a natural turn of the tide of who's the big dog in the league and who isn't anymore. Now, granted, the Patriots have gone all in to try to make this thing work Now is Cam Newton going to be the guy All year I guess that will be tested Early but they got a bunch of weapons up there And I think Bill Belichick

Nick Saban and Bill Belichick realizing Something about football is As two OG's in football Old school football guys Them both realizing like hey listen It ain't about as two OGs in football, old school football guys, them both realizing like, hey, listen, it ain't about time of possession, defense, running the ball, field position.

Right now, it is about scoring. You need to score and score and hope your defense can get stops in critical spots. It's almost like in basketball. For instance, Steph Curry just became the all-time leading scorer in Warriors spots. It's not like, it's almost like in basketball. For instance, Steph Curry just became the all-time leading scorer in Warriors history. Yes, Steph. Pass, Wirt Chamberlain, pretty good. Not bad.

He's potentially going to double the amount of points he has right now, too. So this run could become one that is just unattainable by everybody else because Steph Curry absolutely changed basketball whenever he came in. In Golden State, to their credit, kind of we're like, yeah, just do what you got to do. We're going to make this thing the Splash Brothers. We're going to get a bunch of shooters. We're going to stop shooting twos.

Why are we shooting twos? It was only worth two points. There's another shot that's available. It's worth three points. Come on. It is just science here. It completely changed basketball. And I would assume that the thoughts playing against that Golden State team

is like, hey, they're going to get theirs. It's almost like that in football now, too. It's like, hey, they're going to get theirs. We just got to get some crucial stops. Like, in big moments, third, fourth quarter, we have to get some crucial stops. That's almost what football is becoming.

You can't expect your defense, and even though that guy for the Cowboys last year said, I ain't fucking running 80 points. No way. That guy is awesome. He uses outside voice for an inside thought. He wasn't the only one who thought that. But you can't expect your defense.

I mean, maybe you can. Maybe there will be a defense that will just come in, just dominate and win the entire thing. But your defense has to be a defense that's good, like the Colts' defense, for instance. Yeah. Overtime. When they had to make a play, crucial stop, strip, how you doing, kick field goal against Packers. Like, that's what you need.

You need playmakers on the defensive side of the ball, too, that in those big moments, in those crucial moments, will make big plays. And on the other side, you've got to be able to fucking score. I think that is the sport of football right now. And if your team isn't doing that, it's like, okay, are you really even in the game anymore? Well, and that's what's frustrating with the Packers, too, is when you look at what they're doing, if they think that Rodgers' talent or whatever is slipping a little bit, then why wouldn't you bring in a couple guys to help him get back to whatever level you think he slipped from?

And on the inverse, if you think he is just the one that's making these guys better and it doesn't matter, you can just plug and play there, then what the fuck are you doing making him play on a year-to-year contract and just pissing him off? Can't have your cake and eat it too. What the hell is going on over there? I don't know, but I don't like it. We get attacked by Packers fans whenever we talk about

this. Oh, you sounded like everybody else. It's like, well, you know why everybody else is talking about it too? Because we all, you know, see the same thing here. Yes. The fuck is going on? I don't want it to happen. Mm-mm. At all.

No. Ty owns the team. You kidding me? Ty doesn't want it to happen either. But in the sports world we live in, you know, contracts are maybe the most crucial thing in this entire game. Fairly important. They're maybe the most crucial thing in this entire game. Fairly important. There may be the most. You know, and this is sometimes why people hate professional sports,

because of the contracts. And they're like, you guys don't even, it's not even love of the game anymore. It's like, you're right, actually. No. We do love the game, but this is a business. Okay? There's a $110 billion deal that was just signed by the other side. Yeah.

So once you tell them to stop acting like it's just love of the game, we'll stop acting like it as well. And then once you realize that, oh, it is a business, this is a livelihood, this whole thing, it's like, okay, contracts are the next most important thing. And that one is not set up in a fashion where it's like, Aaron's going to be around all day. You see all these other guys who are getting paid exorbitant amounts of money.

It's like, well, hey, did that guy win the MVP last year? Is this guy as good as I am? I don't think so. Let's get to a break. Yeah, Tom Brady goes down there. They build an entire team around him. Bruce Arians now says he wouldn't be against drafting another quarterback, which means he said nothing. So he said absolutely nothing.

But the Buccaneers were very clear. We're going to bring in a quarterback that's much older than Aaron Rodgers, and we're going to build this team to have success right now. We're going to bring in a quarterback that's much older than Aaron Rodgers, and we're going to build this team to have success right now. We're going to build this thing around. It's still working. By the way, fruits came from the labor. They won a Super Bowl.

It is still building and going. Joining us now can be found on Twitter at 89JonesNTAF. Never think about failure, I believe is what that stands for, via our last conversation, which was electric former wide receiver in the NFL. The Green Bay Packers is probably where you're known best, ladies and gentlemen. James Jones. How are you, bub? What's up, fellas?

Did I get that right? Never think about failure? Never think about failure. You're right on it, man. How are you, bub? What's up, fellas? Did I get that right? Never think about failure? Never think about failure. You're right on it, man. I tell you what. Whenever, because I had to find your Twitter real quick because I wanted to promote her or whatever, and I, at 89jonesNTAF, and I was like, NTAF.

I was like, oh, never think about failure. I remember it was like a beautiful, you went on like this entire run about it. Look, here I am. This is like almost like what, six months, seven months later, remembering it. You're doing great work over there, James. You're a smart dude, man. I appreciate it, man. I'm trying to be like you.

That's it. No, no, no, no. Listen, you're way better than I am, way smarter than I am. I think about failure a lot. Now, let's move along here. James, as we went into a commercial break before you joined us here, we were talking about how Giovanni Bernard just went down to Tampa Bay. And this continues a string of Tampa Bay loading up an arsenal of weapons.

And then if you think about the top of the AFC with the Kansas City Chiefs, they have a loaded roster with talent. And then you can't help but think automatically about the Green Bay Packers where, listen, they have incredible, incredible skill position, guys, great tight end. But you can, I think at this point in the NFL, you have to be loaded at the skill position to win at this point because injuries could happen the way the offenses go.

Do you agree with that or do you think I'm mistaken with that? don't the packers do that 100 man you're right on you can never have enough good players you play in this league long enough you can never have enough good players injuries happen and that's why you want to load up and you want to have all these good players just in case that happens i mean the year we won the super bowl in 2010 we lost 17 starters but we knew the guys that behind that was behind the starters could be starters. You know, we were stacked like that. We were loaded like that. And we did not miss a beat.

And that is what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Kansas City Chiefs, and teams like that who understand that the windows to win Super Bowls are not big. You have to win them while you can. So, if you have the chance to load up, load up to go try to win another Lombardi trophy. I hate, and by the way, I love everything you just said, but I hate when people are like, well, is he the long-term answer? Is he the long-term answer? It's like, how long is long-term?

Like, if you're going to win two Super Bowls in the next four years, is that long-term enough for you? Like, the window thing closing is real, and you have to know when you're in there, and you have to attack, which is why I think all of us, and I would assume you're the same exact way as somebody who predicted Aaron was going to win

the MVP last year, actually. All of us looking outside are like, what's going on? Like, why is this happening? You see Tom leave New England older than Aaron, and you see Jason Light, Bruce Arians be like, hey, listen, let's fucking, let's do this thing. Drew Brees, you see the same thing, like, hey, let's go ahead and do this thing. With Aaron, it's like, if they don't do that, why?

And if they do do that, I think if you're a Packers fan, you should expect a lot of success very quickly, I think, right? 100%, man. And I wish I had the answer for you. I wish I was a GM because I loaded up for air. No, man, when you look at what all these GMs are doing around the NFL, man, and you come to the Green Bay Packers and, you know, they have a certain way of what they do. They like to draft and develop.

That's how Ted Thompson was. Ted Thompson was a guy who like to draft and develop. That's how Ted Thompson was. Ted Thompson was a guy who loved to draft and develop, and he would rather see one of the guys he drafted and developed to get the opportunity than bringing in another big-time free agent. That's just the way they were built. These other teams, they're like, we don't care if we drafted you or not. If this dude is on the market, we are going to get him to load up. You know, so with Aaron Rodgers, you know, played at an MVP level last year,

but we all understand that, you know, the end is coming. So with that being said, everything that he has done for your organization, load the team up for this guy to give him an opportunity to go win a couple Super Bowls before this thing is over because you never know when he's going to call and you never know when he might be out of green bag. You don't know. So load up and give this dude an opportunity to go compete with Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady and those guys.

We're talking to James Jones, former wide receiver of the Packers, but also with the Raiders, Giants, and Chargers? Yeah. Okay. Good work back there, by the way. That was really good. We put that whole thing together. I started thinking about this yesterday Yeah. Do you think the fact that the Packers don't have an owner, like don't have one person that's like, I want to do this, I want to do this, I want to do that, do you think that is something that potentially is a little bit of a detractor from their potential success?

Because there isn't, like for instance, what's his name, John, the Giants guy? Mara. John Mara. He came out and said, I'm sick of having to explain why we stink. So they started spending money. Like they started spending money. Robert Kraft was like, we stink. We're going to spend a lot of money.

The Green Bay Packers, there's no real owner who's like, I'm tired of seeing this happen or this happen. I'm going to go do it. Do you think that's potentially a detriment? And I never thought about this while I was in the league. Only now that I'm a Packers fan, I'm starting to kind of think about it. From experience, do you think that's real or no? Well, number one,

it's a double-edged sword because the Packers have been winning have they been winning Super Bowls no but you have been in the playoffs consistently you have been winning so when you're sitting over there as a GM even though we don't have an owner you're looking like all right we've been winning we've had great seasons we've been in multiple NFC championships have we won Super Bowls no but what we're doing we is working, and eventually we'll get to that Super Bowl. You know what I mean? So I think that's the Packers' mindset.

Number two, when it comes to free agents, if I'm a free agent and I come to Green Bay and they offer me some good money and I get off that plane in Green Bay and see that there's absolutely nothing out there and then I go to New York and they offer me the same money and I see everything that's out there when I get off the

plane, it might be New York. So I do believe that some of these free agents get off the plane like, oh shoot, I don't know if this is for me, Green Bay. It ain't really too much out there. Now the guys that were drafted there is the best place in the world to play football but we were drafted there. We didn't have

no choice. We didn't look at any other cities. And then when you fall in love with Green Bay, because they do it the best way, it's an unbelievable place. So I do think it's hard to get free agents in there. Because when you talk about a free agent wide receiver, who wouldn't want to play with Aaron Rodgers? But when I get off the plane, and I see what's in Green Bay, and I get off the plane, and I get to New York,

and it's like, oh, I wouldn't mind playing with Daniel Jones with all this out. He can. He's got a big upside. He's got a big upside. I mean, there's things to do. Usually people, if you're a free agent, if I'm the Green Bay Packers, I'm taking them right to the Oneida Casino. Take them right to the Oneida Casino.

I'm saying, hey, we've got meetings tomorrow. You just got to hang out here for the rest of the night. We'll see you tomorrow. I enjoyed. I was there for two nights or whatever to call a game. I love the city, but you're right. When you get out there, there's a lot of like, oh, there ain't nothing. There ain't nothing around here.

But then you get to like a town or a village or whatever, and it's like, oh, this is awesome. These people are very nice, very cool. But I didn't even think about that, by the way. I didn't even think about that by the way i didn't even think about that what do you have time yeah james uh we've talked to a couple people about wide receivers coming out and how it seems like they're ready to go quicker nowadays but then people have also said that maybe it's just a good receiving class uh do you see any guys this year who you think are going to have an immediate impact and do you think receivers receivers nowadays are more ready to play and be successful in the NFL right away? You know what I truly think is about the receiver going to the right situation.

You know, those guys that are going to go high, you know, if you go to a situation where you're not with a good quarterback, it's hard for any receiver to play at a high level if you don't with a good quarterback, it's hard for any receiver to play at a high level if you don't have a good quarterback. But a lot of these guys coming out of this draft this year, man, they are going to go into some very good situations. You know, you got Cincinnati who needs a wide receiver. You got the Dolphins who need a wide receiver who has very good quarterback play

and is going to go into some very good situations to be able to have immediate impact. But my favorite guy in the draft right now, you know, Jamar Chase. But my favorite, favorite is Waddle from Alabama, man. This is a Swiss Army knife. He can do everything. I mean, he's an explosive kid. Whoever gets his head on him, immediate impact, big-time player.

So, you know, Peacock, you know Peacock? You know Peacock, the network? Oh, yeah. Okay, so they have something when you sign up, it's like premium. And you think like, okay, that means I'm not getting the fucking commercials because it's premium. Yep. Then they actually have something else.

It's like the up is like $4.99 more or something like that. It's even more. You got to pay for it. What you just did there is my favorite and then my favorite favorite. I don't think you're allowed to do that. You know what I mean? Hold on. My favorite, my favorite favorite is Waddle.

It does feel like these young guys, though, with Judy last year and – Jefferson. Jefferson was unbelievable. And we asked Lane Kiffin about it who's obviously at Ole Miss, been in the NFL, been in college. We said, do you think this is going to be a turn of the tide? And he's like, no, I just think some dudes are dudes and it's just like there happens to

be some guys. Do you think it's going to continue or you think like we are just potentially in a little bit of a, because Devontae Smith by all accounts is probably going to be unbelievable. Waddle is going to be unbelievable. Jamar Chase is probably, I mean, it seems like all accounts, is probably going to be unbelievable. Waddle is going to be unbelievable. Jamar Chase is probably. I mean, it seems like all the pits, by the way, with the tight end, if we're going to get in there, it feels like all these guys are locks.

Do you think that's just going to continue? Because back in the day, everybody was like, well, we don't know if he'll be able to make the transition. We don't know if he'll be able to understand the defense. We don't know that whole thing. It feels like now weapons, and it might just be the dudes, but it feels like maybe with the way the offenses have changed in the college football and the NFL is kind of similar now,

there's a chance we could see a real birth, which might hurt free agent wide receivers, by the way, if there's more on the way, you know? No, you're absolutely right. But I still feel like it's the same because it's a lot of guys still in our game that get drafted high and we're like, man, oh, shoot, he ain't really doing nothing. This guy stinks. Then there's some of the late-round picks who find themselves

in very good situations, and they end up being ballers. But I just think Jamar Chase and Waddle have stuff that you cannot teach. It's stuff that you wake up out of the bed with, and it's just true natural ability, God-given ability that you cannot teach, and they're special players. Devontae Smith, as good as he is winning the Heisman and all that, he doesn't have what those guys have. You know what I mean?

So in my humble opinion, coming out of this draft, those are the two guys that I feel like no matter what situation they go to, they're going to be special players. Devontae Smith, in my humble opinion, needs to go somewhere where they got an established quarterback, an established coach system, and he'll get out there and ball, do his job. Well, and we'll see if that happens or not. We're talking to Super Bowl champion, wide receiver James Jones, formerly of the Packers, Giants, Raiders, and Chargers. The quarterbacks, you said Miami's going to be looking for a wide receiver, and they got a good

quarterback down there. You're sold on Tua then, and how do you feel about the current quarterback class that's coming out? A lot of fucking conversation about these guys right now, James. I mean, it is. Trevor Lawrence, nobody's talking about. He's got the playbook already from Jacksonville. That's got to be against the rules. Kick him out of the AFC South.

Okay, that's got to be. But everybody else, it feels like this is potentially wide open. How do you feel about these younger quarterbacks? Man, to be honest with you, you know, everybody, as you should, you should be talking about Trevor Lawrence. But I think the best quarterback in this draft when it's all said and done is going to be Zach Wilson, man. I watched this dude, and I've seen his pro day,

and the way he flicks this ball and the flick of the wrist and the arm angles he could throw this ball it got patrick holmes and aaron rogers written all over a man and i just think that this kid right here when it's all said and done when their careers are over we're going to be looking back quarterback in this draft even though trevor lawrence is the bona fide number one, got the playbook already from Jacksonville. This kid right here is special. And then you got Jones from Alabama, who I truly believe is a very

good game manager. So if he could get to somewhere, you know, I know everybody thinks the Niners are going to take him, but I think if he could get somewhere and he could sit behind a good veteran quarterback when it's his time, I think he'll be primed and ready to go. But it's a very good quarterback class, man, that be excited about but i'm really excited about zach wilson man i think this kid right here is going to be absolutely special in the last time we talked to

you you talked about aaron rogers hopefully getting a little bit of your swag or whatever zach wilson loves the swag oh yeah he actually gave a full answer about swag and talked about aaron's swag which led to aaron giving an answer about swag actually is your inner essence and how you own it. I mean, it was an entire thing that I think you were a part of. Zach Wilson was a part of. I like to hear that from you, though, because I didn't even think. You're talking about that off-balance pro day throw he made?

Absolutely. But even when you watch him play, man, when you watch him play at BYU, man, you see a lot of those throws show up, man. And like I said, that's just stuff that you cannot teach. Everybody trying to find a Patrick Mahomes and all that. He's not out there, man. This is stuff that you cannot teach these throws. And Zach has that written all over him, man.

Russell Wilson released a video. His social media team put together a video of him talking about to catch a wolf, the big bad wolf. I believe he's talking about Tampa Bay. You have to be a wolf to catch a wolf. And then it's him working out. And he actually, in that video, they put two of the Zach Wilson pro day throws with him in full pads in the video.

It was like, oh, Russell Wilson's got a little pettiness in him. I like that out of Russell Wilson. What do you have, Connor? Yeah, James, you played for the Giants. And it seems like for some reason in New York, the media is much harder on the Jets than they are on the Giants. Is that true, do you think? And also, do they put too much pressure on the players to perform immediately? Well, I mean, it's very true, but I mean, we're in a business that the only thing that matters is winning, and the Giants have done a little bit more winning than the Jets as of age.

So I think, you know, the Jets have put all that on themselves of what the product that they've put on the football field and not showing wins. So, you know, that speaks for itself. So if the Jets, if Robert Sala could come in there, man, and he could turn this stuff around, man, and put some wins on the board, and the Giants is laying eggs, everybody will be looking like, man, they are killing the Giants.

The media are on the Giants. So I just think it's all about which team is doing better out there. The Giants over the years have been the better team in New York, man, and the Jets have been getting a bad end of the stick out. Hey, we went through a graphic yesterday that our graphic guy, Dirty, Dirty Gertie, put together. 25 years of quarterback play for the Jets. Man.

It was so bad. And by the way, a lot of Jets fans reacted to our video of it, and they were like, listen, we had to live this, all right? There's no reason for you to go back. Look at this. These are the names of the quarterbacks with their records listen, we had to live this. There's no reason for you to go back. Look at this. These are the names of the quarterbacks with their records. Vinny Testaverde, he had a 31-17 record. Get him the hell

out of here, though. Need him gone. There's been a couple in there that win, but everybody basically loses over there. Maybe it's just the organization. Do you think there's some or you've said this a couple times now with wide receivers and with quarterbacks going to the right. Do you think there's just some organizations that are just set up for failure from jump? And why?

And why? And why, though? That's a very good question. But I do because when you look at the Jets, you're looking for this quarterback. You're looking for this guy to come in there and just turn your organization upside down. But as we know, man, it's a team game. You need defense. You need people that can stop people.

You need guys on the outside that can run routes. You need to be able to protect your quarterback. So when a quarterback comes into the Jets, man, it's going to take time. You have to build a defense around him. You've got to get weapons around him for him to even have a shot. A lot of these rookie quarterbacks come on some of these teams, even though they're not very good teams, at least they have very good players on the defensive side of the ball

or very good receivers and things like that to be able to help them out. The quarterback coming into the Jets, he doesn't really have a lot of help, man. And it's been like that for a very long time. I mean, Mark Sanchez had a very good defense, and he was able to put together some wins and get them to some AFC championships. But them other quarterbacks didn't have a lot of help, man. So whatever quarterback they draft or bring in, you better make sure you give them some time to build some help around them,

man, to help the kid out. Yeah, he's going to have to survive to make some of those off-balance throws that you were talking about that not a lot of people have. Joe Burrow almost died last year in Cincinnati. I mean, that was his – we've said this a couple times. There's no indoor facility there. His head on that one hit, the body completely moved, and his head stayed the same.

It was – 24 inches. I've never – Scary. And then he got back out. Then he got back on the field. I'm like, this dude. And they're like, yeah, he likes to feel that hit.

It's like, you know what? I don't like him. I don't like him doing that. What do you have, Ty? James, when you talk about these young quarterbacks coming into the league and they're trying to develop like a chemistry with the receivers, like how long did it take you and Aaron to get that type of rapport where it felt like you were just on the same page? Because he always had the, you know, the back shoulder throws with you and Jordy. Like at what point did you realize like it was almost unspoken and you guys kind of just knew what the other one was looking to do? You know, it took about four years for me to look at Aaron

and know exactly what Aaron was thinking, man. You know what I mean? A lot of these teams and organizations and young guys think like, oh, man, we have a training camp and a couple of practices and our chemistry is there. No. You know, you need way more time than that. Going into my fourth season is when I really knew that, man, me and Aaron are locked in. We are on the same page.

I could look at him and know exactly what he's thinking. And one play always comes to mind, man. We were playing the Denver Broncos at home. And we had a red zone post on. And when you're in the red zone, we call the red zone in Green Bay 25 and in. So when you're in the red zone, you must cross the DB's face. You know, if you don't cross the DB's face, you're putting the quarterback in harm's way.

If he throws that ball, it's going to be picked off. So during that route, the DB was so far inside. I'm like, man, there is no way that I'm going and crossing this dude's face because, number one, I know I ain't going to get the ball. Number two, I'm going to be looking to my family like, man, he out there getting jammed up. Look at this dude. It's like a two-yard like that.

So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to have an MA. I'm going to mess my assignment up, but I'm going behind him. And I went behind him. And as I looked back, the ball was coming right behind him. Maybe the greatest throw I've ever seen Aaron throw to me. The ball was coming right behind him. And I caught the ball for a touchdown.

And as I was jogging back, I'm looking at him like man my bad he was like that's exactly what I wanted you to do you know what I mean and right then and there I'm like oh shoot we are really locked in on the same page because in practice 24-7 all coach Mike is screaming you must cross his face and at that moment me and Aaron was like, I don't need this one. Can't do it. Aaron's sitting there. I don't need this one. Aaron's like, scary ninja. Okay. Then he looks over, he sees you, and he's like,

James' family's going to think he's a punk if he goes in front of there. All right. Let's just go. 100%. We should not have that. We should not have that, man. But, no, it took us about four years to where, like, on certain plays, Aaron can look at me twice, and I know exactly what he's thinking.

Okay, so this will be the last question. We can't thank you enough for joining us, by the way, James. You're always great on this show, and we appreciate that from you. Not a problem, man. The thought of the no OTAs, I guess the NFLPA's head is saying, like, we'll boycott them because they're voluntary which never ever will work okay people will show up people will go and then other people will look bad then it'll become a media circus i mean that's just we all see how it's going to happen here this is just it's very easy

to see what's going to happen you're acting very naive if you think that's not going to happen but with that being said maybe an attack on off-season off-season training that means to build up that chemistry okay that you talked about that took you four years there's going to have to be a lot on off-season training. That means to build up that chemistry, okay, that you talked about that took you four years, there's going to have to be a lot of quarterback-wide receiver initiative then in the off-season, which some guys have, some guys maybe don't. But how do you think guys are going to be able to build that with the lack of practice time potentially in the facility

and things like that? It all has to happen off the field. And then are you maybe looking at a quarterback to see how much they would be potentially doing that? Because that is going to be a massive deal to the success of your offense in the end. Number one, I'm not playing anymore, so it's easy for me to say, you know what I mean? Y'all need OTAs. Hey, go to OTAs. By the way, 17 games.

17 games. Hey, this is awesome. This is awesome. 100%. So, for me, the veterans, it's not going to hurt them at all. Like you said, we like sometimes we come to practice, sometimes we don't. You know, OTAs is voluntary. But for the rookies, I always think back when I was a rookie,

if I didn't have OTAs to get the playbook, to get all the checks, to understand what the quarterback is thinking, you know, how to run routes and all that type stuff. And then I come into training camp and I do not have to learn the playbook anymore. I'm just hitting the ground running, showing them my ability. That's who it's going to hurt. It's going to hurt the rookies who don't have, you know, that OTAs and that off-season training, because now you have to come into training camp. And listen, you could go and throw with these quarterbacks at Hamilton High School all you want. But once you get in live bullets and this defense is coming at you and guys is moving again,

it's totally different. You know what I mean? It's not routes on air. This is totally different in here. You know what I mean? So you have to adjust on the fly and have that chemistry with the quarterback on the fly, and you're not going to get that unless you are in practices. And without OTAs, you're taking all that stuff out of the equation,

and I truly think that it's going to hurt the rookies. It's not going to hurt Devontae Adams. It's not going to hurt Julio Jones and Matt Ryan. Them dudes is locked in on the same page. But for the Jamar Chases and the Devontae Smiths and those guys coming in, they need that, man. They need to get in there with their quarterbacks, get in some live bullets,

get into some situations and go out there. And when training camp comes, they already been through it. Let's go ball out. And by the way, that is where the entire conversation is going to be. All the rookies are going to be there. They're going to put pressure on the... I mean, it's going to become a scene.

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Boston, he's also the host of tom curran's patriots talk podcast where they talk about the patriots okay ladies and gentlemen patriots insider friend of the show tom e curran yeah hey what's going on up there you look like like you're fresh out of Boston with that cap on. Love what you're doing. Yeah, I know. I put this on. I got the little Goody Petronelli, Marvin Hathaway trainer guy,

looking shirt on. I said, I'll put on the wind, too. Match that step up. Tom, you're the best, dude. I heard you had wrote an incredible article about Julian Edelman. And I didn't have 40 to 50 minutes to read through the entire thing. But it was obvious that your passion for Julian Edelman was a real one. And I think we heard that a lot from Patriots fans.

We obviously heard that from Bill Belichick. But his retirement, where would you put it alongside? And how do you think the entire community up there feels about it? I was, you know, full disclosure, lucky enough to write a book with him in 2017. His memoir is called Relentless. So I got to know him in a different way. And I got to know his family in a different way. Where I put the retirement, it really is another opportunity to take stock of what the Patriots were last decade and what they've been for two decades. And as he exits, I look at him as the Teddy Bruschi of the Dynasty 2.0,

and that's really high praise. I don't know if Julian will get in the Hall of Fame. Teddy Bruschi certainly isn't going to. But they're the heartbeat of the team, from tom brady and bill belichick for those periods of time those are the guys pat you know how they talk about the guy you follow off the bus to send the message of okay who you're dealing with today and it's usually the biggest meanest toughest son of a bitch julian edelman to me was the guy you'd follow off the bus because of the school he was and how he played yeah and I think all people respected the way he went about his business, too,

that was in the NFL. You saw a lot of other players come out and be like, hell of a run. You know, like, he was a great football player, respected by everybody. And you said you're not sure if he'll get in the Hall of Fame. I think he will in, like, 30 years. You know, like, one of those, you know, they'll start showing the highlights, and then they'll talk about the pivotal plays he made that led to certain dynasty runs and things like I think he'll get it. I think he deserves it. And I just think it'll happen down the road.

You know what I mean? Like, I think he deserves to be in the museum of the NFL, which is what I I believe the NFL Hall of Fame is. That's a great way to phrase it, because that is what it is. It's the museum of the NFL. That's a great way to phrase it, because that is what it is. It's the museum of the NFL. It's not for stat compilation. It's for impact, the beauty of the game, as illustrated by the players and the individuals who shaped it. Edelman's candidacy is ironic in that we've never been smarter as a fan or media base. And we've got an embrace that goes on of the analytics and a greater appreciation for what matters in games that goes beyond numbers. Yet everyone acts like a Neanderthal when it comes to Juve and Edelman and ignores the stats, snaps which are not yards not yards per catch not receptions it's a guy who really had a six-year nfl career he was blocked out by welker he comes to the nfl as a wide receiver in 2013 over the six-year span he missed 2017 he uh played nine games in 15 and

six games in 19 so he had a six-year run. In that time, he had over 1,000 yards three times, over 100 catches three times with 92 in one year. He won three Super Bowls. He had iconic plays. And if you ask me, there were things that he could do that Calvin Johnson and Julio Jones and DeAndre Hopkins can't, and vice versa.

But that's the thing, man. Who do you want to deal with on third and three at your own 18 and the game on the line? Do you want to deal with DeAndre Hopkins on the outside or Julian Edelman in the slot? I would say it's closer to a coin flip than you'd think. Well, Tom Brady made that decision a lot, by the way, which was why Julian Edelman was so important to those runs.

We're talking to Tom E. Curran, a man who authored a book titled Relentless alongside Julian Edelman was so important to those runs. We're talking to Tom E. Curran, a man who authored a book titled Relentless alongside Julian Edelman, also Patriots insider for NBC Sports Boston. I should have known that coming into the conversation. Just learned that you're the perfect person to be talking to. Yeah.

You are the perfect person to be talking to here, Tom. I read the book. I read the book. Of course. We all read the book. I mean, it's a great book. I watched the doc and everything uh but i always respected julian edelman because not only wide receiver and what

you're talking about play defense oh yeah as a returner he was a nightmare i hated punting to him i actually ranked him as my least favorite punt returner to punt to whenever i was on nfl network which caused me a bunch of shit on the internet. I mean, I got attacked by a bunch of people, but I was like, this guy, fearless, will go for it. I love watching him play. I assume that's how everybody in New England has felt. Let's pivot ahead now to the team that the Patriots currently have. They went all in, $157.3 million in guarantees, I guess, on the first day of free agency.

If my number's right, it might be 147, somewhere in that range. Robert Kraft came out and said, basically, we didn't like losing, okay? We're going for this thing. Bill Belichick said, very much publicly with his moves, I understand we didn't have enough weapons to keep up in this whole thing. How do you see the team doing? Do you think this is something that gets them back into the conversation? Because everybody outside of New England is like, of course, Bill, we had one bad year.

Now Bill is rebuilding the whole thing. How do you feel in there? How do you think the team's going to do? I think sort of what's wild about this is, you know, the Patriots had an opportunity here. Let me hit my little battery thing. The Patriots had an opportunity here that doesn't present itself and hadn't presented itself ever. And Kraft was acknowledging that. Look, not only are they the greatest dynasty in professional sports in many ways,

and certainly in the NFL, but they just caught an absolute rope that got dropped into the well that helped them out. Look, it's one thing to have all that cap space, but it's another thing to have the cap go down and everybody else be crying poor mouth when all this happens so the patriots targeted guys they went after guys in positions that they didn't succeed in or address in the draft and they bought all those guys so it's a store-bought team instead of a homegrown team but still with bill belichick in charge how does it

change things that to me if it's a sevenwin team with an embarrassingly bad offensive roster and opt-outs. Bad. It's an 11-win team now. So is that a 12-win then with 17? No, it's 11 and 6. Sorry. Oh, okay. Because, you know, I didn't know if you were up.

Because I'll tell you what. Hey, 9 and 8 does not sound good. 10 and 7 doesn't even. Like 11 and 6 is the only thing that really sounds like, okay, successful. Imagine if you're eight and nine. What would Jeff Fisher do in this NFL? Well, there is a thought that the Lions. And one.

There's a thought that the Cowboys could potentially go eight, eight, and one and still tie a game so they can maintain. That was what the Internet was saying. I'm not taking credit for that, or do I believe that? But there is a way to still be as average as you possibly can with an odd number of games. We're talking to Tommy Kern of Boston. You think Cam Newton is – what's that?

What just happened in your gullet? So I've been fasting. I've been fasting. I've been fasting. So whenever I drink a lot of liquids to potentially fill up this space, it comes up. Yeah, it does. It does. I got to taste that thing again.

Yeah, mid-sense. You know, sometimes I got to force her down. But I tried my best. Are they sold on, by the way, thanks for looking out. Not a lot of people care about me enough to really ask if I'm okay there. It has happened before, believe it or not. And by the way, Tom, I don. Not a lot of people care about me enough to ask if I'm okay there. It has happened before, believe it or not. And by the way, Tom, I don't know if you know, I'm up to something. But the Cam

Newton at quarterback sold, 100% sold, you think, the Patriots? And what do you think the move is in the draft? Are they done making big moves? You think they're going to move in there? You think Bill's going to go ahead and shake some things up here? Need another wide receiver, potentially with the squirrel gone. And there's some money that has just opened up? I think they're going to sit in the draft unless something really avails itself. They're going to

be mobile if they have to be, but to me, you're going to get a lot of good players pushed down the draft board by some, you know, pedestrian or project-laden quarterbacks, and all those wide receivers are going to go, and all of a sudden you're going to be sitting there looking at defensive tackles like Barmore or defensive backs like Farley or J.C. Korn who are going to be sitting there. And the Patriots do need some of that stuff on defense. So I wouldn't be surprised if they went there. I don't know how – oh, the camp question. They needed clarity going into – I love how you're doing dropbacks.

They needed clarity, and they got it by saying, let's just re-up with camp. If something else falls out of the quarterback tree into our backyard, we'll go pick it up and say, how about this? And then maybe they'll put it in the stoop. Oh, look at this. What did we just found? Who's this? Justin Fields?

The Teddy Bridgewater just fell out of the tree. Should we use this? Yeah, bring it in the stoop. Oh, look at this. What did we just found? Who's this? Justin Fields? The Teddy Bridge letter just fell out of the tree. Huh. Should we use this? Yeah, bring it in the house. See how it works. All right. Well, it costs $18 million.

Are you cool with that still? Eh. Yeah, let's do it. What do you have, Connor? Hey, Connor is excited, by the way. Oh, yeah. Tom, great to see you. You look fantastic.

I mean, we couldn't ask for more. Your connection's even coming through. Kind of. Your connection stands out. Yeah, it's 50-50 today. Your connection. It's Massachusetts, probably. Yeah, the satellites are much further away in Mass.

But do you think the Patriots will look for a quarterback in the second, third round? And then for Edelman, do you see 11 getting retired, or do you think it will turn into the number 50 where it gets passed down to important players, if you will? That's a good question. I do see the Patriots taking a quarterback in this draft.

Absolutely. They need to replace Stidham if Stidham is not going to be with the team past this year. So Stidham stinks. Stidham stinks. He said if. Stidham stinks. If. Hey, Connor was all in on Stidham is not going to be with the team past this year. So Stidham stinks. If. Stidham stinks. He said if. Stidham stinks. If. Seems like Stidham stinks. Hey, Connor was all in on Stidham.

He seems like he stinks, but I'm still with him. Maybe he's got time. Maybe he's still got time. Still hasn't had that second year offseason that guys make the leap with, Patrick. True. Didn't have it. Very true. And as for the second corner was a number 11 passed down like the number 50 question man um i don't know i mean

they're so strapped for numbers as it is i mean they didn't retire it for bledsoe and then julia guys so i would say you keep that thing in circulation. I did not know that they passed down the number 50. I did not know that was a thing until Connor brought it up during the break. That's a really cool – What's that? What's that? Nick Bonacani?

And then it went to – it's been in circulation still and went to Vrabel? Yeah, it was Vrabel to Nankovich, and then they kept it off the board. And then when Winovich got drafted, they gave it to him. Tom, what type of – do you not know, Tom? Are you covering the same team that connor's a fan of well they just don't retire numbers here's the funny thing you'll appreciate this pat you know bruce armstrong when he retired belichick came in bruce armstrong um was kind of a friend of drew and was just not really psyched about the appearance of Belichick on the scene. And in order to save some money, and because Belichick was coming in new, Kraft wanted

Armstrong to be kind of moved along from in a dignified way. What I understand to be the case is Armstrong said, yeah, fine, I'll retire, but I want my 78 retired. And probably didn't deserve to have it retired i mean he was a pro bowler and might have had a few all pros but they retired his number kind of at the point of a bayonet and i don't think they've retired a number since so i don't think that they like retiring numbers okay so so just real quick from an outside of new england perspective who maybe doesn't know the history that was the previous head coach that was pete carroll no Belichick when he was coming in he's like we're gonna get rid of him

and we're gonna get rid of Ben Coates and uh they're like oh no no no just hired you and you're already killing us releasing people what are you doing Bill well how about we retire his number or something I'm surprised Bill at this point hasn't just unretired that thing and just, you know what I mean? Like at this point, remember what we had to do to prove that I was okay. He's the best dude. How do you feel about all the bullshit contracts that are happening in the NFL right now?

Tom is a lifelong fan, obviously. Voidable years. I mean, Tom did this for a long time with New England and nobody else was doing it. But the salary cap, the signing bonus, it feels like everybody's starting to do that now. Do you think Bill will get credit for this long term when this becomes just the way everybody does everything? Yeah, I think bill gets a lot of credit for the innovative ways that he's done things it's so fascinating to me that again it circles back to the patriots having the unbelievable and once in a probably history of

the nfl good fortune in the face of outright and utter destruction because of a pandemic that they were left holding the only golden ticket in the league the col and utter destruction because of a pandemic, that they were left holding the only golden ticket in the league. The Colts had one, too. We just didn't. Right, but the Colts stink. Yes. Tom.

Thank you, Tom. I mean, everybody. Rob, you cannot come on this show and just start acting like you're an Internet person. You are. You let the Patriots to go away, and they end up getting the freaking life preserver thrown out to them. Here, crap's going down. It's good news for us.

He's got that dog Nike sitting there. I mean, they're talking to the computer. They're looking around. So we're the only ones that have money? There's other people that have money. They're not going to spend it. Okay, so Kraft, I need every dollar we got Whatever you want to spend Kraft says

One time Bill What do you have Connor Yeah Tom speaking of Kraft He said that he's seen a different approach To the draft this year What does that mean like is there a chance we're going to be pretty aggressive here Maybe trade up back into the first round After our pick,

or is it just kind of probably the same old song and dance, take a cornerback like you just said? I think the approach is more in that it was Bill and Nick Casario for a long, long time. Really? I didn't know Nick was that tight to the operations. Oh, yeah. He was tight to it, but there wasn't a lot of, look,

Nick grew up at Belichick's knee and in doing so pretty much shared an outlook and a philosophy that bill liked and i think in a lot of ways he said okay my job is just as much to do what bill would want me to do as it is to build the team and that's that's not me talking that's what i've been told over the years oh an adept personnel guy but it was just more of i'm going to do what bill wants now they have new eyes and elliot wolf from outside the organization here there wasn't a lot of pushback in between nick and bill it was usually just they were in concert rolling the same way now because nick isn't here, Bill has to say,

well, who am I working with? And it's Elliot Wolfe who joined the organization and they brought Matt Patricia back from destroying the Lions. He did go out on a mission from Bill. Yeah. I'll go take down an organization in Detroit.

They've been through enough yet, have they? Of course. They go out there and erect some posture around sports writers and roommates and more other organizations that can do that. But now they have an opportunity to say, okay, let's do this differently. And I think there's that energetic aspect that exists. It's less a draft philosophy and more of, hey, how are we going to attack this? Whose voices are at the table and how is this exchange of ideas going moving forward?

Well, to catch a wolf, you've got to be a wolf. Bring in Elliott Wolfe. Good idea. Not a bad idea. Tom, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the best. Thank you, Patrick. See you, Connor, and everybody else.

Thank you, as always, for having me. Do you think Connor, thinking the Patriots are going to win the next couple of Super Bowls, is out of line, or do you think reasonable? Oh, he's high. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. What the hell is that? Oh, he's high. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy. Tommy.

What the hell is that? Oh, vitamins. That's a deep toe. Oh, Tom. Tom let that thing go all the way down. Sounds like Tom's the one on vitamins. He doesn't know. Tom did look pretty comfortable hitting that.

Ladies and gentlemen. I've done it like three times. Oh, yeah. In the past day, baby. Ladies and gentlemen, Tommy Cur times. Oh, yeah. In the past day, baby. Ladies and gentlemen, Tom Eaker. Love that guy. He's the best. God, I fucking love him.

I love that he has also just remained in Boston. I assume at some point in his career, somebody said, do you think maybe your whole thing would work elsewhere? Don't want to. I'm not leaving. It's like the Boston Comedians. I guess there's like Boston Santa Comedians that are just Boston locals

that could just go ahead and crush if they wanted to and they just stick around Boston or whatever. I mean, he even got the, well, the Colts stink. In there too? I mean, come on. Okay. All right. I've been, you know,

I've been beating that drum for a long time now. There's no reason To bring that up Okay And the Colts don't stink No they don't stink Carson Wentz I got an MVP

Playing quarterback That's right You forget There is a thought though Without you know The expanded playoffs Last year They don't even make

The playoffs I'm just I'm just saying Doesn't matter Okay Did If Ifs

And buts Were candy And nuts The world would be I think like an amusement park Or something That That's right. That'd be sweet. Dig a dong fest. And if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.

So what we're saying is a lot of ifs here. If there was, if there, if there, if there, if there. What are you? You just live in a hypothetical world? I live in the real world. Colts were in the playoffs last year. Should have won the whole damn Super Bowl. They did not. Now they've got an MVP playing quarterback. How you doing?

Patriots weren't there. Yeah, Patriots weren't in the playoffs. With the expanded playoffs and everything. No, we weren't. We had a quarterback who threw for eight touchdowns and ten interceptions. What do you want to do? By the way, I would like to reiterate the fact that if you're and had balls and she would like to be described as an uncle,

you could do that. She can. Go ahead. Listen, I am all about people being there. Whatever makes you happy, do whatever you want. Absolutely. But I was just... That's a... Yeah. Common phrase. I don't know how common. It's pretty common, I think. Yeah, I heard a lot. Full tale. Let's go to Dylan in New Jersey. What's going on, Dylan? I just want to make sure. Yeah. Clarification.

You do whatever you want to do. Legit. ELE. We're all going to die, okay? Everybody's got to do whatever makes you happy. Do whatever it is. And I Legit. ELE. Hey, we're all going to die. Okay? Everybody's got to do whatever makes you happy. Do whatever it is. And I don't see why people give a fuck on the other side. But, hey, ELE. What do you got, Dylan?

Hey, Pat and the boys. How you doing? First time caller here. Hey, we appreciate you calling in and joining us there in New Jersey. What exit are you? 137. Oh, he's up there. Why are you up there? Okay, what do you want to talk you? 137. He's up there. What do you want to talk about?

Quick shout out to the boys and girls over at Elizabeth Fire Department. Big fans. Oh, Elizabeth Fire Department. Appreciate your service. Thank you. By the way, my uncle... Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. If we're going to give a shout out... My uncle just retired after like 30 some years of service to the fire department in Pittsburgh.

Damn. Thank you. Thank you. I have a lot of respect for firefighters and EMTs and people that serve the community, obviously, because my family is littered with people that do. So plenty of holidays where the old beeper would go off and everybody left. This is a good holiday for a little bit where everybody go, well, there's 45 fires

because people can't cook a fucking turkey. Okay, anyways, what do you want to talk about, Dylan? We appreciate you. I only got four years on, so I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for that anyway. So I see you got up to something. Yeah, yeah. I heard you earlier

a couple months back saying last year could have went to the buck had you been uh less careful with the old uh covid and had antibodies could we expect a buccaneers run i was just checking the roster number one's open baby oh and hey hey that's gonna be a dynasty down there huh a lot of friends coach down there yeah a lot of people down there a lot of people it is that is a real thing by the way if i would have had the antibodies last year and now a lot of conversations would have had to happen obviously that potentially could happen but the i i think there is a chance i wouldn't have i don't think i would have played because both kicker and punter got back,

but I think I was potentially going to be brought down in there if I had the antibodies because I didn't have to do the six-day in a hotel thing. And you'd be wearing a ring on your finger. I probably was. They probably wouldn't have given me a ring for a week of service. Would I have been allowed to the boat party too? Yeah, of course. Absolutely.

I'm sure you'd be number one on the guest list. So if we weren't so – I don't know about number one. Tom was number one. His boat was nice, and he did rock that party but at least as long as that thing looked like you're right if we didn't practice social distancing and everything that we did and if i didn't live like a hermit for most of my life but definitely in the last 13 years i probably have a super bowl ring i have a super bowl easily i don't know if that's going to get talked about enough five ten years from now. No.

No. Wow. That is a reality that smacks me right in the mouth every single time it gets brought out. That's why it's possible. You know, maybe it'll get. I had to spill blood, by the way. Yeah, you did.

Yeah. Huh? I had to spill blood into a test. Mm-hmm. Numerous times. Yeah. Because it didn't work. Couldn't get the blood out.

Yeah. Am I dead? Yeah. What? What? Do I bleed blood? What? Is there anything in there?

Is this a fake finger? Why is no blood coming out? I put 16 holes in this damn thing. It hurts like hell. Why is there no red stuff oozing out of my skin? I'm an alien. I don't bleed. No one makes me bleed my own blood.

Not even me. Couldn't get the test done. Two to three hours. People are waiting on answers. Like, what the fuck is going on? I'm like, I can't bleed. What? Let me go get punched in the nose. What? Maybe I'll have my nose dribble into that thing.

Will that work? What? Please don't have your nose blood into the thing, please, they said. What? But I am upset. What? Let's go to Jason in Texas. What's going on? That is a bummer. What's up, fellas? What's up, blood in Texas. What's going on?

That is a bummer. What's up, fellas? What's up, blood? Hey, what up, blood? What's going on with you? What up, cuz? What up, gangsta? I have a question for you. When is Texas going to allow sports gambling? Let's go ahead and get to that down there, huh? Man, I have no idea, bro.

I have no idea. We legalized here. no no here in indiana we get and i feel like there are potential similar like entities running both indiana and texas i think now granted individual cities are different in towns like that but we got sports gambling passed pretty quick the weed is going to take a while uh the vitamins are going to take a while so i don't think those two are necessarily lumped together, Dylan. I don't think you should give up hope. Let's go ahead and get that thing down there. Hey, we can try. Jason.

Not Dylan. Jesus. That's on me, Jason. What do you want to talk about, pal? Hey, man, I just wanted to ask you guys what you think it's going to take for the Cowboys to lose Jerry Jones and the family. Oh, so are you a normal Cowboy fan like a lot of Cowboys fans?

I was born into the Cowboys. Do a lot of Cowboys fans feel that way? Yeah, me and my uncles, everybody, man. They can't stand Jerry Jones. My dad quit him when they fired Tom Landry. That's a long time ago. What team did he go to, Green Bay? Do what now?

What team did your dad go to? Oh, he went to, man, he jumped all over the place. He went to the Saints for a while. Then he moved down to Houston. And he's truly still a Cowboys fan in his heart, though. Yeah, he just can't do it. He tried to quit. I mean, he never really did.

He bounced around, didn't find greener grass anywhere else. But that's the Jerry Jones thing. I don't know if he's a representative he's a representative of his family yeah i don't know if that's the entire cowboys fan base if it is i'm very interested to see how jerry jones handles that because he'll come out cut some sort of promo he'll do something we're in this together type rally the troops thing and if they win nobody cares anymore but if they continue to, I assume whenever you're the owner of the team, and this goes back to the Packers thing, how it's a gift and a curse with an owner.

If they do well, it's like, okay, under their guidance. But if they do bad, it's like, okay, under their guidance. That same type of thing happens with owners and Jerry Jones, who whenever you're in the forefront of every single thing going on with your team, you're going to get the blame and the praise, much like a quarterback. But they have not been great for a long time. So i guess you just have to go right to the top of the mountain yeah it's tough though because uh jerry jones the the cowboys will be in the jones

family long after he's dead i mean it's like the most profitable one of the most profitable franchises if not the most i i saw a recent one i don't know if they were still number one but like they're not getting the jones aren The Joneses aren't going anywhere. $77 million or something like that every single game day. Now, as we wrap up Hour 2 here, Tom Pelissero, the Arrow, has tweeted something out that just flashed up on the screen. Tom Pelissero is saying the NFL informed clubs today any team employee who refuses a COVID-19 vaccination without a bona fide medical or religious ground.

Oh my God. Okay. Them writing this. Imagine them writing the memo. The NFL informed clubs today that any team employee who refuses a COVID vaccination without a, in the NFL quotes, bona fide medical or religious ground

will be barred from Tier 1 or Tier 2 status and thus have restricted access within the team facility and not work directly with the players per sources. So the NFL is, in their words, doing the same thing that college football has been doing. Mack Brown told us this seems like this is going to continue to be a trend. If you get a vaccine, you can do whatever. If not, you can't. This will obviously be met with resistance by people.

There'll be other people that buy in, just like everything in the world that we live in today. But it's nice to hear that the NFL is putting it out there and say, hey, listen, if they ain't got some real shit, we need a bona fide medical or religious. Are they allergic to needles? Okay. All right. I want to hear it. Okay. Did their God say they?

And I would like to talk to their God too. Yes. We would like a message from their God too. We need a bona fide reason on why not or they ain't getting into the building anymore. I'm excited for someone to go back and be like, look how many times I said God and Jesus last year in a press conference. I am religious and I will not get that vaccine. Yeah, but what happens when somebody

who's an expert in that religious field comes out and says God said it's cool. He told me. So I would assume the NFL will start doing some research with the higher-ups in the religious groups and say, hey, what's the deal? And all they need is what? One potential leader of the religious groups will say, yeah, it's cool.

And they'll be like, this guy. He told you. I think Russ Wilson's doing a one-hour special promoting the vaccine. There's a lot of vaccine promotion going on right now. From what I've been understanding, it feels like you get a vaccine two weeks after, we're going to have the whole thing. We're going to be back. We'd be covered.

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Yeah! Attaboy, A.J. I appreciate that beautiful beautiful intro thank you well you know sometimes because you're on every day i do get a little bit lazy with it and to be to be completely transparent i've gotten very lazy with a lot of people's intros these days i used to really go for it now it's kind of like all right i know but not enough how do we do it's kind of a mix but every once in a while i like to remind people that the human that joins us for the third hour every day is a pretty badass individual. When you hear about somebody who's accomplished all these things, you get to learn these very fascinating tidbits about these people that have worked their way all the way up to the upper echelons of society. They drive with both feet.

They wander around Augusta for six hours lost chugging beers these are things that happen at the upper echelon i think that is why it's so important to let people know who and what you are a jayhawk all right i i greatly appreciate that and unfortunately the two-footed driving thing is not dying down i'm getting a lot of uh a lot of people not only reaching out online but in person now to ask fools and they they're mocking you every one of them no they're getting a lot of people not only reaching out online, but in person now to ask me. Fools. And they're mocking you, every one of them. No, a lot of them seem to be showing a little bit of jealousy that they aren't able to do it.

Oh, sure. Okay, dude. Of course. I'm happy to hear, though, that even people over there. Was this at Augusta? People were saying this? No, that would have been amazing. In my mask, by myself, if some guy would have came up to me and asked me about nobody at augusta that you were wandering around aimlessly

around has ever known that this show exists that is not our demo pretty uh pretty apparent when you look at the statistics oh well i want to let you know genuine laugh out of me last night all by myself on my couch thinking of you wandering around chugging beers for six hours, potentially trying to get secondhand smoke from other people's cigars. I mean, it was genuine laughter. I don't know how long it's going to last, but I think I'll do this at least a few more times now. Yeah, hey, I think we may even be able to get Jordy on here sometime this week to maybe chat it up a little bit and see how his Masters experience was, I guess. Jordy Nelson is going to come on this show?

Yeah, I think tomorrow he might be able to come on during our YouTube hour. Oh, at 3 o'clock? Yeah. Here we go! Jordy's going to come after dark. I'm going to ask after hours. After hours. Because it is the middle of the day, so it would be a hard sell.

Jordy's coming on after hours. One of my first questions is going to be, I thought as a torch lights off, it just sounds like a jet engine is taking off. What is wrong with you? Mute your mic, AJ. Do you have any regular lighters at this point or they all we need the high octane uh hemi lighter no i don't have any like bics that

you buy at the gas station i have mainly just torches that you use hey how how cool were you when you got uh when you had a bit all back whenever i was you know moving cigs for people you know slaying in squares dude the uh i. I also would help him with the lighter trick where you pop the top off and light that thing. Like, look at this. Now the experience is better, too. See you later. Thanks for the 50 cents.

You know what I mean? I was a little high. They used to be able to do that, though, with those lighters. Oh, yeah. Make that thing. Yeah, stand it up. You used to get those things going, going.

They kind of put restrictors on that. You know what I mean? I don't enjoy that. AJ, Julian Edelman retired and my entire take was as a guy who had to punt to him and watch him play and how I you know he was so good at football and he was like the perfect person at his role I think you know Wes Welker kind of created it and I don't want to no bash of Wes Welker but I think Julian Edelman kind of evolved that role into a little bit more and there's a beautiful candid moment between Wes and Bill Belichick

after Julian Edelman took a punt back to the house in preseason with Darius Butler blocking for him by the way in that video where Bill Belichick asked Ernie Adams oh what was the name of that guy oh Wally Pip that's and the other guy comes up to him is like do you want to do this and he's not even listening to this guy and that guy like looks too like and then he goes over to west and he goes uh you know wally pip is and west goes no no he was like oh he's a guy missed the game and then lou garrick went on to like play 23 000 straight games or something like that and uh and west goes oh you mean like uh the young guy or whatever? He goes, yeah, yeah. He goes, oh, he can have it or whatever. And Bill goes, way to compete, you know? Just like so disgusted.

From then on. So disgusted with Wes. But I think like Julian Edelman took that particular role. I think Miami where Wes was kicking and doing everything down there. And it became something. And I'm not saying they created the slot position. But in New England, it was famous. And then when Julian Edelman made it,

I just thought he was such a damn good player and made so many pivotal plays. And the immediate conversation is, well, is he a Hall of Famer or not? I think 20, 30 years from now he gets in, and it's going to be because the amount of highlights he has, offense, defense, special teams, and moments, and titles, I think it's going to be something later. I might be wrong, though. Well, it should be.

I don't know what i don't know how many voters there are for the nfl hall of fame i know about none of it i have no none of that behind the scenes stuff is there a certain criteria they they are supposed to follow when they're doing this because some guys obviously may just look at stats and if you do that people have all seen like heinz ward and different receivers compared to numbers. But if you go, you can't go strictly off of numbers. That's the thing. Like, I don't know. I think your take on it. I saw it earlier when you talked about like, yeah, 20, 30 years down the road. I think you're, are they eligible for what?

30 years once you become eligible five years after your last game? I don't know. Is there a rule on that too? I did not know that because. Yeah, there's a time like you're not just eligible for the rest of your life. I know there's a time frame. I did not know that because is that why it's such a big deal for some of those older guys that don't get in because they're running out i thought it was just like hey there's always i did not know there was i know nothing about the hall of fame other than the fact that we're supposed to play the hall of fame game they put a tarp over fresh paint it

became a magnifying glass and it became just a sticky field i know that it's a massively cool honor bestowed upon a very select group of people that have gotten the incredible opportunity to work in the nfl and to play in the nfl and everything like that like i understand that but my views on it are much different than other people and i think why the hall of fame has remained the hall of fame and why it's so highly sought after is because of the way some people view it as this prestigious thing. You need this. You need to do this. You need to do this to get in.

And I can respect people that view that. And I appreciate that they think that highly going to get forgotten about because they're not being put into the museum which is the nfl when this thing's around 100 years from now 150 years if the world still exists by the way i know there's a potential chance that this whole thing goes and there's you know we got starships and whatever everything going on right now mars is happening they're underground by the way check in there i'm tired of telling being told that there's nothing on the surface but like 100 years from now 200 years from now if the league continues and there's why shouldn't it by the way it feels like it should i'm not they'll adapt and everything

like that there will always be competition of some sort boxing has lasted a long time let's assume football will as well as the biggest league on earth it just it feels like there's some people that they're going to get missed out on in the museum of the game which is how i view the hall of fame it's like the museum like hey these are impactful people but there's not everybody that views that way and i don't think anybody will ever be able to come off of how they feel about that particular situation well whether edelman gets in or not if his bust is in there there's going to be some parts of edelman in there you know they're going to have clips of his catch in the Super Bowl, the bobble catch or whatever. That seemed almost impossible when you watch it in real time,

how it even happened. There'll be stuff like that. But, yeah, whether his bust is in there, I don't know. I don't know what the voters are looking for. I really don't. Me neither. I love, though, that they do take little artifacts. Yeah.

Vinatarius cleats, I think, were sent over there immediately. I was like, Vinny, hang on to those. I'll at least get a good video of them for an NFT. What did Chris Carter say after Phil Rivers, after he retired? Was it consistency? Just to be a starting quarterback in the NFL for 17 years. You know how that's something that should be. Like, hey, that's not easy.

There's only 32 jobs in the world. I never won the superbowl whatever it was like pretty fucking close a lot of the time played football better than a lot of people and it was a starting quarterback which is impossible to do for that long and chris carter is like one of the isn't he a hall of fame he's like one of the voices yeah he has something in there you can't just go off just stats like edelman his moments in the nfl is ridiculous well then also the the title goes pro bowls and all pros and everything like that people are like that's all judgment stuff like all pro is the media deciding who they think are the best in the nfl you think the media knows

who's the best in the nfl and watch the and i'm not saying all media don't know but i'm just saying all media don't yeah i'm not saying every member of the media doesn't do this but the the all pro thing is voted on people who potentially have no idea what's going on in a certain aspect of football you know what I mean like somebody who made I was in the NFL eight years played pretty good whatever that whole thing I could not tell you who the best guard is in the NFL, aside from Quentin Nelson because he's on our team. So Quentin Nelson is our best. But somebody else probably feels the same way.

I would assume it would have to take somebody who's like an offensive lineman, an expert, maybe a former NFL guy, like, oh, this is why he's greater, to that whole thing. So, like, that's all pro. Pro Bowl, there is a lot of factors that go into that thing as well. So whenever people are like, well, it's awards that happen awards that happen it's like well the awards were potentially bullshit too i mean it's like you know there's really no it can't be what it has to be like every you have to look at every single aspect you can't say oh this person had 12 pro bowls this person had five pro bowls like

it can't be just that you have to look at think, too, clutch plays in the biggest games, the biggest moment, like Edelman, obviously, Super Bowl MVP. So many big-time third-down conversions in the playoffs. You can remember when you think of his career and just absolutely maybe one of the toughest guys ever to play the position too. And the damage that

he would take and just get up and keep going, man. That's one of the most impressive things I've seen. And he's beloved by his teammates. Like, it's just, you know, everybody seems to have come out. Like, I think that is, I don't know, maybe I'm different. Yeah, but even the people who, you know, talk about he doesn't have the Pro Bowls, all pros, but he has Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVPs. So, like, how does that MVP?

How does that, you know, outweigh the other? Especially if it's consistency. In the playoffs, he's one of the most consistent wide receivers. What was that? That was a 28? Especially if it's consistency. In the playoffs, he's one of the most consistent wide receivers. That was a 28-3 game? Is that the only one who was MVP? No, no, no. He was MVP of the Rams. Was he the Rams? MVP against the Rams. The bobble catch was against the Falcons.

He had the winning touchdown catch against the Seahawks when he came back inside and went out. Malcolm Butler, right? Everybody remembers that, but they don't remember the pivotal moment that if it doesn't happen, the other thing doesn't happen, which is what we talked about earlier, like how can you measure that particular point in the entire dynasty, too? I don't know how you do that.

Did you guys talk about, though, did you talk about the fact, I mean, I hate to bring it up because I love Edelman, the fact that he had a four-game suspension back in, what, 2017? Do you think some voters are going to hold that against him i didn't even remember that yeah 2018 so he had a four-game suspension 2018 after he missed the entire 2017 really with the acl injury yeah oh dicks the relentless documentary the relentless documentary back on the field first day that the relentless documentary goes into it about how like he took something that someone gave him in the nfl do they hold that is like the mlb i feel like they're big time

against all right is the nfl do we know if the nfl is i think they didn't they change the rule to where if you got popped for peds you couldn't be like the nfl mvp i think they changed it after merriman like you're not you weren't up for postseason awards if you got popped that season. AJ, were you around? You're in before me, obviously. Were you around when you guys were just shooting steroids up in the locker room? That happened, right? Yeah.

When I talked to some of my old coaches that played in the 80s and early 90s, yeah, they said they didn't really test for anything. So I'm like, oh, man. So what were you doing? He's like, everything. I think we heard who, by the way that you said that i think we heard who that was by the way in your impression there oh no i wasn't no you don't know who i'm talking about okay good news the um but it did feel like the stories i had heard about the older nfl it was like that though like they were just very and I feel like

baseball was like that when I was in there though it was not talked about at all with anybody and it might have been different in Green Bay I'm not arms and short but it was a very like people would walk in the locker room that were like you'd look at me like well how the like what is going on there and then there but you never it was never like a, hey, let's talk about a thing. Always very quiet, I think. And I think that would be surprising to some people who didn't know that that. Like, I don't think that type of shit gets talked about very much at all, by the way. No, it's not like teams have like a pact.

Like, oh, hey, D-Lyman together. We're all going to be juiced out of our minds together. And they sit there and put their fist in before every time they shoot up. That's not a movie. Not a bad idea. Hey, try to get some blood. Team building. HGH on three.

It's a blood pact. We're not telling anybody. We're doing this all season. And we're going to be better, faster, stronger than everybody. And the Packers had that first round. Tony Mandrich. Yeah, Mandrich who was shooting up juice before practice. Yeah, Michigan State alone.

How about in baseball? They were chewing gum that was activating testosterone boosters in the middle of innings in games. Really? Yeah, allegedly. Where is that gum? I've never heard of it. It's like, I don't know if it's gum or an activator.

So it would activate something else that they put into the system that was dormant because they had to take a piss test like they were getting that deep into the what's that uh Anthony Bosch Bosch yeah like man ran screwball yeah screwball the documentary screwball have you seen it yeah do they talk about that gum and screwball yeah he talks about biogenesis he talks about how they got so sophisticated to get around the testing that they created something that they were able to chew that would activate a dormant thing in the body that would up the testosterone so they would do it while they're at bat or whatever are you kidding me who's doing this who's thinking of this there's a book it's literally i think i've read three books in my life it's called game of of Shadows. It's all about Barry Bonds and Balco.

It is fucking incredible. Real. Just the lengths they would go? Oh, absurd. That's very good. Yeah, Pat, I know you don't read, but you should have someone read it and write up an outline for you. It's very good. Thank you. What were you going to say, Ty?

Nothing? No. I thought you had something on the baseball people. But even before steroids, they were all taking those greenies. It was kind of like Adderall. It would just be fucking dialed. Hey, Adderall is something that gets a lot of guys in the NFL. Well, Chris Davis, who plays first base for the Orioles, got suspended for Adderall. Well, a lot of NFL guys.

A lot of guys were getting popped for Adderall because it's an amphetamine, I guess. So that was a performance enhancing drug. And guys, because you get one annual test, a street drug test once a year, guys would take that test and then they'd be out there like, OK, I'm a lot of smoke now. OK, Adderall, I can also just take an Adderall, I guess. And then it was all of a sudden like, no, no, actually, Adderall is not a street drug. It is that's a performance enhancer because you become a superhuman with your focus. I have no idea.

And now I guess I've heard from people that Adderall actually calms them down and brings them in. And I have nothing but appreciation for mental health and figuring that out. When I took it, I thought I could potentially, and I had never really, I still to this day have not done a full kicking session with that. I thought I could jump over a fence that I was looking at when I had Adderall. The first time I tried, I was like, oh, my God, I can just go. And the fact that it does the complete opposite for people is interesting.

But the guys were getting popped for Adderall. Imagine – They're for a bit. If you felt that way, can you imagine how those baseball players felt when they – the greenies were a thing that like every clubhouse, every dugout, the guys would come off a bender the night before and they got a doubleheader and they just eat some greenies and they're juiced up and they're ready to go.

Bobblehead night. Oh, there you go. There it is. That's exactly what it was. AJ Burnett had eight greenies going. No, no, no. All good school circles. By the way, that was probably post-Greenies.

That was very much post-Greenies. He just took Adderall. No, he did not. No, he's an old school throwback. He went out there, had a good time, and threw the hell out of that damn base. The first time you take Adderall, though, I mean, I took it one time before a soccer game,

first time ever. Did you have a heart attack? I was fucking, I couldn't see outside the lines of the field. I was so dialed in. Just suspended your ass. Yeah. There's a lot more than fucking Adderall on that field, pal.

Dude, it was... Well, how about... Do you play intramural soccer? Does Gump play intramural soccer? Whoa, whoa. What? I mean... Do you play intramural soccer like now?

Oh, I wish I could around here. Me too. I wish I could. AJ, I played... When I was was back home i'd go out and play like once a week just in like a fun league i've been looking i've been looking for like a pickup game around here i went to a couple here throughout my years i always just get hacked to shit in those things yeah i try my best i show up and i'm just getting hacked yeah that was the you played so we played div one and then as you got older, you dropped down to Div 3 before you went over 35.

You'd get whack worse in Div 3. It was a waste of time. I was playing in a soccer game, a pickup soccer game. It was like 10.30 at night on maybe like a Wednesday or Thursday. And this is when I was in the 27 months of the substance of abuse program where I couldn't do anything. So I had to figure out what was fun to do sober because previously to that, I had no idea. I had no clue.

I wasn't played in this game. I think I was the only English speaking person there. Okay. I was the only English speaking person there. And boy, I four minutes in, I said, I immediately regret somebody slid.

It was an indoor game, slid cleats up and I had to like jump over. I'm like, Oh my God. And like, I still had the ball. Somebody slid. It was an indoor game. Slid cleats up, and I had to, like, jump over. I'm like, oh, my God. And, like, I still had the ball. And then somebody came and was like, oh, there's no – they're playing play. Oh, yeah. Hey, this is a play play. And it was like 10.30 at night.

I was like, all right, I'm going to get out of here. I just went home and left. But there's very few games. I wish I could find those now, though. When we played 5-on-5 at the Y, it was like, oh, shit. This should not be here. This is going to be a marathon. Because they're playing defense so hard on me, okay,

just so that they could potentially tell whoever, whenever, however, about how they bodied me. In Indiana, it is tough for me to do anything competitively because if there's a chance of me losing, it is going to be told. So there's been times where I traveled around an entire parking lot and played cornhole against everybody. Had to do it. Had to do it.

Did not lose a game. 30-some and 0 that day, Indy 500 day. And I was like, okay, now I need everybody to just go tell everybody. And I never have to play a cornhole game again. I played basketball, these pickup games. I'm getting my shit blocked off the backboard, and then they're yelling in my face i'm like all right i gotta go home this is i'm never gonna be able to go to the grocery store

again after this you pass the ball and i remember giving it back to you and you were like no no no take the ball i don't want it this guy is not picking me here because if this thing pay there's a camera on me right now i'm gonna look like a terrible athlete i cannot and i'm a punter already this would be bad for the brand. If I shoot a trash thing into a garbage can and there's people around, that has to go in. If it doesn't go in, that's why you're a punter. Okay, shut the fuck up.

It's everything, AJ. You don't even know. You don't even know about it. You can't be playing basketball like that anymore. You're going to get Gary Veed one of these days. These guys are just licking their chops just to run you down from behind and maybe like wrap you up. Legit, it felt like that in a soccer game. It felt like that a little bit in a soccer game.

You're going to pull a Tom Segura if you try to play. His treasonous left arm. Bro, that thing. If my left arm did that to me, I would not be able to look at it. Cut it off. Cut this thing off. If that thing just quit on him and was just like, take me. That was unbelievable.

I think he's back, by the way. Is he? Oh, man. I'm not a Hermson short. I thought he still had the bionic arm sleeve. Unbelievable rehab he had to go through. Oh, my. The surgery.

You know what betrayed him? It looked like he slipped, but what caused the fall, I guess, his patella snapped. Just blew up. Yeah, so his knee and his arm. And when his knee blew up, his left arm was like, what the fuck? Yeah. I was like, let me go back here real quick.

Break this, too. Imagine having to do fucking rehab for trying to dunk a basketball. What happened? What happened? What happened? Well, we were doing this dunk contest. And I had it. I was winning. I had it at 8 1⁄2.

I, hoo-hoo, you know what I mean? And we had to go up. Tom, what a legend, dude. I think he's back on tour, I think. He's doing Spanish shows and English shows at this point. I mean, he is. He moved to, I think he moved to Austin like the rest of the comedians. Well, did they all do that

because Rogan's there? Or did they do that because it's wide open and they're allowed to, it's basically Elon and Rogan's town now? I think a little bit of both. I think a lot of people

in California, they didn't know when they were going to get back to work, so they took off. Rogan is going down there? Yeah, Rogan's going down there. Chappelle going down there?

Yeah, Chappelle's going to be down there. Oh, so we should probably all probably. So if they're doing it. Elon just moved out there too? Elon's building? Oh, we need to go there. Okay. Okay, so we're just going to do what we do here, just do it down there. Because their rules are different. Yeah. Okay, that's what we're going to do. Smart move, by the way, by them.

Smart move. Elon's going to build his own town within a matter of, what, years probably at this point? Oh, yeah. And it's going to be just a – it's probably just going to be an airport for Starship. Starship base. Dubai. Yeah, it's probably going to be the town – come to town Starship town.

Not to mention the city he's building on Mars. He'll have two different places on two different planets. Well, and we can't forget Paul Heyman said, if they are going to have civilization on Mars, Vince McMahon will be building a stadium up there and putting on a show. So we've got to think about that as well. By the way, AJ, we've talked about a lot of things there. We legitimately probably will see a time where people are just fucking bouncing around other planets, I think. You think in our lifetime that could happen?

I think so. I mean, I don't know how long you're planning on living. I don't know how many greenies you were hitting up or whatever, but I hope in my lifetime. I don't plan on dying. I tell my kids it all the time. Just because everyone else died doesn't mean I have to. It's a bedtime story. They're worried. They're like, Dad,

you're going to be at my daughter's dad. You're going to be at my wedding, right? Like, yeah, I'm never dying. You know like, Dad, you're going to be at my daughter's wedding, right? I'm like, yeah, I'm never dying. You know that. Listen, nobody has defeated death yet. Let me tell you, Daddy's going to defeat him. I'm going to defeat death. See this jawline?

Vince McMahon's mom is 101 years old or something like that. Jeez. And the headline that I read, the headline said that Vince McMahon wants to live as long, if not longer, than his mom. So I think it's like he's planning on, what, 120, 150? Yeah, at least. He's still going to be deadlifting 800 pounds. When a video came out last week?

Yeah. Last week, if I'm 400 pounds or something like that. What's the oldest human of all time? How old was that nun? 104, right? I think it's like 120-something. The nun was 120 years old? I think so.

That was when I think we should have declared victory potentially over Uncle COVID. 122 years old. My God. Beat COVID. Did she beat the Johnson and Johnson too? Yeah, no one's beaten that. We don't know anything about what we are speaking about right now. We just read headlines and react to it.

There's a person right now who's 118 years old. Let's go. All right. Keep it going. Actually, there's a lot of people. He or she hits 100, by the way, and they're like, still got another smoking life. Still can get to gambling.

That would be wild. You've lived four lives at that point. There's 50 people on this earth more than 112 years old. Hey, that could be us, boys. Yeah. Okay. Why not? Who says no? Live long enough just to see Julian Edelman never make it to the Hall of Fame. Alright.

Alright, we gotta get to a break. Doesn't matter because we've been able to see chimpanzees play pong, you know? How about that? Did you see the chimpanzees play pong, you know? How about that? Bro, did you see the chimpanzee playing pong? No. Well, it put a Neuralink in its head, okay, which is Elon's next thing where we're all just going to be telepathically talking to each other. I watch a chimpanzee do it with a computer.

So the Neuralink thing, I think, tracked this chimpanzee as it was taking a ball to a lit-up square. And by doing so, it was moving this joystick, which I thought was the trick. I thought that was the trick of the video. It was like a minute and five seconds of that. And I'm like, holy shit. Wow. Look how smart this goddamn chimpanzee is. Then they get rid of that thing.

There's two, like, pong-type things. And the ball is bouncing back. He's controlling it with his mind things and the ball is bouncing back he's controlling it with his mind blocking the ball back and forth the neural link was sending it to the burst to the thing next level that's fuck is going on that's happening today that chimpanzee was unbelievable at pong yeah it looked like there's a couple do they keep an eye on that thing yeah they better seriously do they are they gonna shoot that thing? Yeah. Seriously. Are they going to shoot that thing before it comes and takes over?

I don't know, but it's only a matter of time before he's had enough of playing Pong and he beats the living shit and kills the person working in that lab. Caesar. Cesar. Yeah. Exactly. Cesar had a situation that did play out, unfortunately, for us in that particular scenario. But this one seemed like it was just a competitive gaming. Exactly.

Just likes to have a good time. Just want to do war. What if they give him Call of Duty? Then what's he thinking? Don't give him Call of Duty. No, no, no. Cannot give him. I don't think he cannot give him.

Of course. This guy's going to disarm a security guard. Take out everybody in the room. Did you see that dog come hopping out of a crime scene in New York this morning? Digi dog. Digi dog. Did you see that? No.

So some guy comes out in cuffs. Then like two cops come out. And it seems to be a pretty large scene. And then there's this cop wearing this helmet. And he has like a motorized uh airplane like one of those controllers or like a drone controller and there's this dog trotting in front of him right in front and then the digital dog that has a head it looks like it was just a camera or whatever and that thing just turns the corner and trots right on down the street it's unbelievable a

digital dog i would assume it's just one of those robots that has a camera so people can see what the hell is going on in there. For like bombs. Like a bomb sniffing thing to send them in. Bingo. Instead of sending in actual dogs that had to smell it out, let's send in the DigiDog. But then the question is, what does the DigiDog do next? Does it do the, oh, what's that Citizen movie? Guy from PS

I love you's in it Law Abiding Citizen Law Abiding Citizen where that guy has that that little machine that just has a oh yeah

graveyard at what point are they gonna in the graveyard scene whenever the the drive is happening what happens when that digit dog

gets a whoa and they also I do believe are using robot robot dogs to carry you know weapons in weapons in types of war. And sergeants are telling them to trust the dogs like you would a human.

Putting 50 cows on their backs. Be careful. Well, also, we also have to say we do understand that the world is advancing quickly in this particular fashion. I would like to have a little local revolution, too. They're using Tahos as cops now. Yeah. What? Chevy Tah little local revolution too. They're using Tahoe's as cops now. Yeah. What? Chevy Tahoe's are now cops. Are you serious? Pickup trucks are now cops around here.

Okay, watch it. They are not marked. They look like a murdered out Tahoe. Okay. That thing will get your ass beaten. Okay. So we're not at dogs yet, I don't think, around here, but we are at Tahoe's and trucks. Yeah. And they're getting speeders. So fucking watch it. Okay. So we're not at dogs yet I don't think around here but we are at Tahoe's in trucks. Yeah.

And they're getting speeders. So fucking watch it dude. I was driving by I was like oh this sucks for that guy

never knew there was a cop there. Yeah. Wow. God Tahoe's around the

town stuffing everybody's bank account. Woo! You got a stimulus? We're getting that thing. Give them back.

That was wild, AJ. I did not know they had Toho's. They're all different kind of cars. I feel like any car can be a cop car now, and they have such low-profile sirens on the top, you can never tell. I really don't know how you tell it. These ones don't even have sirens either.

It just looks like some farmer pulling up next to you. Bro, there has to be some sort of murder we can solve, right? With those Tahoe's and things? Should be. Especially when they're using the Tahoe as a bait car and going 95 down

the left lane. They do have a pace car. Yeah, just leading people right into the trap. Is that a cop? I think that was a... Yeah, they got Tahoe into the trap is that a cop that was i think that was yeah they got to all this no that wasn't all right we're floating uh and then right around the corner you got a guy gotcha helmet on yep onto the motorcycle oh my god they they heard people got their stimulus checks around here and they're like we're getting all hey a lot of people got money to get it's time let's go ahead and get them this is the first time long time my life where i am driving and i guess they would say this worked i guess i'm driving speed limit oh yeah have to for sure oh can't do anything which by the way means is how i should

have been driving my whole life yeah they need to the indianapolis police should show this clip to all the taxpayers say see this is why we have all these nice vehicles because it does this exact exact thing that we needed to do gives people like you to slow down steal people like me oh please all right two foot drive yeah you can't go as fast as me because you're riding the brake the whole time all right the car can only go so fast with the metal just run up against it i just i never really paid attention to driving with my feet honestly until we started this conversation now lately i've been paying attention and i've been noticing like man i bet pat is so slow going right foot

i've been feeling just how how efficient i've been and how i haven't rid i never ride the brakes honestly just like i said it's just super smooth, man. All right, all right. That's the show. Good show today. Good conversation. A lot of stuff popping off. This NFLPA, NFL thing is going to grow.

Okay? We're going to have to talk about it. I don't like it. We'll try to weave through the bullshit to see what type of world we got going on. I think we're going to have full stadiums soon, and that's what I'm here for. Okay? Hopefully everybody lives. Hopefully we have full stadiums. We'll be back what I'm here for. Okay? Hopefully everybody lives, and hopefully we have full stadiums.

We'll be back tomorrow. Big show tomorrow. Big, big show tomorrow. Big show. All right. Be your friend, tell your friend, Ty, please play some independent music and repel these people on a beautiful Tuesday night. We'll be back.

Mignogna. Cheers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.