The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 - 395 Channing Crowder, Will Zalatoris, Jordy Nelson

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

On todays show, Pat and the boys chat about the upcoming NFL Draft and dives into how he would approach the process differently than some NFL decision makers. Then Channing Crowder (22.22-47.46)from the I Am Athlete Podcast, came on the show to join Pat in discussing the NFL today and the latest in football news. Pat is later joined by profesional golfer Will Zalatoris (50.03-1:14.33)along with AJ Hawk to discuss his time playing at the Masters this past weekend and what to expect from him this golf season. The show closes off with former Packers wide receiver Jordy Nelson (1:20.10-1:42.00)chatting with Pat about how AJ got lost Sunday at the Masters. Make sure to subscribe to YouTube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Sports Radio, Sirius XM Chanel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Wednesday, April 14th. Something big's going on, okay? Today's show is a very good one, but we are cooking some stuff over here. Can't thank you enough for joining us every single day. If you enjoy the show, by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. Got some great conversations.

Will Zalatorrish, Channing Crowder, Jordy Nelson, AJ Hawk, let's have a day. We'll be back manana. Let's get to this, Ty. What the hell is going on in the sports world justin fields is having another pro day today wow it's a big deal okay hey listen okay people from every team are going to watch justin field's second pro day this second pro day only happened because his last pro day happened to happen on the same exact day as alabama's pro day where not only mac jones was throwing which automatically came into conversation,

but also a bunch of other players in Alabama that are probably going to make it to the NFL. So team said, excuse me, can we have another pro day in Ohio? And Justin Fields said, absolutely. I'll throw for whoever,

whenever, however you got to make it happen. We've come to that day. Every team is being represented basically by some heavy hitters. All the reporters are reporting it. They're like, big names from the Jets organization is traveling to Columbus today. They got the assistant to the director of the pro personnel scouting department. Whoa.

It felt like today we were learning a lot about titles and who the fuck is who in the NFL whenever they were describing who was going to Justin Fields Pro Day. Just know this. Allegedly, the Niners are going and very interested. They're talking to his private QB coach on a weekly basis, asking questions about he and Trey Lance. David Lombardi at Lombardi himself. Okay.

That's actually the... Yeah, it's the Lombardi. At Lombardi himself. I mean, a lot of people... There's a lot of Lombardi. At Lombardi himself. I mean, a lot of people... There's a lot of Lombardis that I know. Yeah. I know a lot of Lombardis. Like, a lot.

Not just Michael Lombardi and his family. I'm talking about in Plum and in Pittsburgh, there are Lombardis everywhere. Okay. This is Lombardi himself. The original. Wow. This is David Lombardi.

Holy hell. I love this guy. Paizo, I love what you're doing here. He says, please don't overreact to this. Okay? Immediately going to overreact to it. Yep. He knew it.

Please don't overreact to this. Whoa. Comma. Not even a dot, dot or a dot, dot, dot. It was a comma. So let me just have this in a sentence with a pause here. But it's a nugget from Matt's story that I know will make a lot of you happy. Shanahan has been frequently calling John Beck,

Justin Fields' private quarterback coach, parenthesize, who's also now working with Trey Lance, parenthesize, to ask about Fields. We're not going to overreact, but we are going to say, holy fuck, thought the Niners were taking Matt Jones. All of a sudden now Justin Fields is potentially going number three overall. And why are the Jets even potentially going out to Ohio State if they are for the pro day today? Is he going number three overall. And why are the Jets even potentially going out to Ohio State if they are for the pro day today?

Is he going number two overall? Or is everybody trying to get all the information, everything we've currently heard up to now is potentially bullshit? Yep. Feels like that. Sounds like bullshit. To a T. Who's going to do what? Shanahan's calling?

Because Rappaport said, I think it was Ian Rappaport that said, look for Trey Lance to potentially be a sleeper in San Francisco as well. Now, they move up to three. They trade a lot to move up to three. You assume they're going to get a quarterback. Everybody's assuming they're going to get a quarterback. Allegedly, Jimmy G is in their plans, but after this season, not so much. They want kind of a mentor-mentee type situation with the quarterback. That's the way Shanahan operates.

I guess I'm just telling you what has been reported. You move up to three. You think you have your guy you want. Right. Maybe they don't. Maybe they do. Maybe nobody knows about it. But can Justin Fields throw himself to the number three overall pick today?

Oh. In a pro day setup, in shorts and a t-shirt, throwing balls against no defense and having no pressure on. Is he going to go up to number three? Maybe, because you know what? Zach Wilson threw his way into number two locked in at his birthday when he did the little scamper flick of the wrist cross body opposite hash so all eyes are in columbus and all eyes look forward to april 29th the first round of the nfl draft where so many things could happen so many trades could potentially take place.

So many franchises could change the way the rest of the world looks at them on April 29th. There's so much hope. There's so much optimism for every team that's involved because they think they could potentially get a pillar for their franchise to take them to places they've never been before. And on the flip side, your team could draft somebody that you at home think to yourself, wow, we fucking stink. Every other team got better.

We got worse today. What the hell is going on? That is why the draft, first round most important, but it's so fascinating. That's why we'll be having another live Draft Spectacular. Yeah! Hey, hey, I am up to something other than the Draft Spectacular is happening. Right. Of course.

But I am up to something as well. By the way, there might have been a couple more clues that have been released there. Really? Yeah, there might be one, maybe potentially coming out later. There might be, I mean, there's a lot going on right now, but the April 29th first round Draft Spectacular, where we will be live on youtube.com forward slash the pat mcafee show will be happening and the guests that we are currently talking with for potential coming on big massive huge huge hey could be quite a uh oh yeah a big one listen last year this dumb ass office with our stupid suits and our willful ignorance on everything.

Yeah. Yeah. Put on draft spectacular that had more concurrent views than the NFL had at one point on YouTube during the first round of the draft. It's not too bad. Aaron Rodgers came. Now, granted, we had Aaron Rodgers on. That was very nice.

But there is an actual screenshot of the YouTube lives on the head of the page. And it has us and then it has the NFL. And for us, it's just my fat face at the time and AJ. I was on an upswing, I guess. I'm in much better shape now than I was last draft. Here we go. I'm pretty happy about that. And I always kind of see how my life is going whenever videos run from back in the day.

It's like, whoa, offseason? Oh, that from back in the day it's like well off season oh that's late in the season oh that's beginning of season oh there's may yeah and then there's june um but there's a still shot where it's just me and aj and then there's uh kevin hart i think the rock russell wilson everything else we had like 70 000 concurrence they had 63 000 concurrence or whatever so for some, people watched last year. We hope those same people will. This year, we assume the show. It's not going to be better, but we will do the show again.

Yeah, absolutely. So we hope you will join us. For sure. The surprise guests, potentially massive. But we can only operate off of what happens with the draft, which is why it's like a draft spectacular, because we are dependent upon what's going on in the draft to be electric. And for us, it took us seven hours in that first round.

Yeah, just about. And we had a moment. It was when the Green Bay Packers, just a couple hours after Aaron Rodgers tells us on the show that, you know, hey, we don't have a first-rounder, but we got a couple. Maybe we move up. Maybe we get a weapon. I'd love to get a weapon.

He says it on draft night. Maybe I get a weapon or something like that. Says, you know, my dream is to be a Green Bay Packer forever. That's early in the show or whatever. That's early in the draft. By the way, those are getting clipped by people running on the internet. Then the Packers do trade up into the first round. It's like, okay, here we go.

Wide receiver heavy. Aaron was on earlier. Aaron potentially going to come back on, by the internet. Then the Packers do trade up into the first round. It's like, okay, here we go. Wide receiver heavy. Aaron was on earlier. Aaron potentially going to come back on, by the way. During the pick, he was going to. Jordan had sent a text like, hey, is there, if, you know, if a weapon gets here, is there any way we can have it? He's like, yeah, I'm doing nothing, literally. Yeah, do whatever you got to do.

So then all of a sudden, bang, trade up. They're doing it. Jordan Love gets drafted. Send a text saying, don't worry about it. Don't worry about that. Ty, obviously, in his Mel Kiper garb, yelling, god damn it, with the hate of a thousand suns coming through his suck hole there while he said it, was so magical.

And there's a chance something like that could happen again. There's a chance that some franchises could really make some moves this year. There's going to be a lot that's going to pop off. We're going to have great guests, and we cannot thank you enough for potentially watching and joining us on April 29th at Boston Conner. The Patriots potentially making moves. A lot of different drafts. Yeah, a lot of mocks out there.

I think that's my least favorite thing in the whole football world the mock draft mock trades i mean how do they don't know the mock trade it's impossible prediction and i understand it's just fodder and everything like that and it might be from a smart person that knows football but i've seen draft day dude yeah kevin costner might get on the fucking horn. That's right. You know what I mean? With two seconds left in the draft. You never know.

Nobody has a clue what's going to happen in any of those things. But it seems like multiple people who have made some of these mock draft simulators. Yeah. How simulations like the Digit Dog walking out of that building yesterday. They got analytics and computers doing all this shit. The Patriots are allegedly going to be a little active on draft night. Do you feel that? Are you potentially going to be disappointed when Bill

does nothing on draft night because all these people are saying you're going to? No, because they are saying we're going to, I now know that it's more likely that we're going to trade back than it is that we're going to trade up. And when you mentioned the Niners, all of a sudden I'm thinking, okay, so we're going to take a corner at 15 or we'll trade back, take like a D3 safety wide receiver in the second round,

and then we'll just go with Jimmy G next year. And we'll just do free agent quarterbacks until Archie Manning is back in the league and we'll take him and trade up for him. That's not a bad play. Just kind of do one-year quarter, one-year deals or whatever. Who cares? Just one on top of the other. And you know how they say like somebody's a diamond and a rough or something like that?

Like you don't have to draft them in the first round or second round. No. Because you know what? Nobody can find them. It's like a needle. Nobody can find them. So the purpose of that is you can draft them later. Bill Belichick last year drafted somebody nobody had heard of very early.

And he's a stud, right? Kyle Duggar. He's probably going to be first team all pro this year, pro bowl, all the accolades I had to get. I understand. But I actually don't know if that's true or not. Did the guy play? Yeah, he played. He played very well at the end of the year, too.

We have a lot of confidence in Kyle, especially with Patrick Chung. Is this the same type of stutum? No, no, no. This is not a stutum conversation. There is tape. You can watch it out there. Kyle Duggar tossing linemen around. He's a very good player.

Okay, okay. Sounds good. So it worked out. Guy was a good draft choice, but I think like the issue is on draft night, the biggest judgment is did they reach? Did you reach? Did you reach? Like for instance, depending upon who the Niners take, going all the way up to three, giving up with it, did they have to really go to three is going to be the final outcome and you could judge it. And I guess if none of us know what's going to happen, you have to kind of get as high as you possibly can to put yourself in a good position. But, man, drafts are so fascinating for me.

Now, it's tough to give a fuck about 2-7. And I was picked number 222. I want to let you know. But I'm not like a super all-in college fan, so I have no idea who any of these people are. And I've also seen a lot of draft picks come into a locker room and just stink and then just kind of go on their way,

but also be highly talked about, highly hyped. It's very... And I think we've talked to a lot of people. It is... That have agreed on this. It is so hard to predict how somebody will be in the NFL. It is just so hard.

And I think that is another layer of why the draft is so damn entertaining. At Ty Schmidt, last year the Green Bay Packers really shook some things up there. Yes, they did. Six and a half, seven hours into that first round of the draft, about 1.60, maybe 1.30 a.m., 2.30 a.m., they said, hey, there hasn't really been that big of a moment yet. Everything has kind of gone off according to plan. Let's go ahead and shake some shit up.

So we appreciate them doing that. But what are the signs or what are the chances you think of Green Bay really doing something good in this draft? You know, I don't know. I really don't. I mean, I feel like they feel like they're much closer to being there and winning, so maybe they do think like, hey, whatever piece we're going to get in the first round is going to be enough

to get us over the hump. Or they or they're thinking hey four years from now when jordan's playing this this can be a great piece together and that's the problem i guess we'll see how it shakes out because i feel like last year uh we kind of knew like outside of the two of herbert thing we kind of knew how things were going to shake out i feel like there are a lot more question marks this year with like where guys are actually going to go. I mean, it could all be bullshit and it could be chalk. But, like, I'll be interested to see which guys fall to later, like where the Packers might have an opportunity to pick a guy that maybe they didn't think was going to be there still.

Yeah, and I think that is the – you know, because last year they could have done that. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. They could have done a few guys. They could have done that. Justin Jefferson was very close. Right there. Patrick Queen actually got picked after. He. Justin Jefferson was very close. Right there.

Patrick Queen actually got picked after. He did. The Patrick Queen pick. Hell player. Yeah. He was on the show, wasn't he? No. He was supposed to be.

I think he had. I thought he might have been. I thought he did. We did have Patrick Ricard as well. Did we have Patrick Queen on? I believe so. Wasn't he in his back room? It was a good conversation.

Yeah, it had a good backdrop. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good conversation. Yep his back room? It was a good conversation. Yeah, it had a good backdrop. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good conversation. Yep. Would have loved him as a Packer. Would have loved it. Would have been great.

Anyways, he's a Raven. Lock it down or whatever. He kind of fits in well over there. But, man, he would have been great out there in Lambeau. But the draft night thought. And we live in an instant gratification society. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

We live in a, hey, we need this right now. Back in the day, news used to happen and people would wait until like the seven o'clock news the 10 o'clock news to find out that it happened you know big things insane big big things you would not now it's like we want to know now we want to know why now we want to know who now we want to know how now that's what we want to do right now we want everything right now and the draft, you have to have a little bit of respect, I guess. I mean, I would never do it this way. For the people who do draft for the future, like the Packers doing that Jordan Beck pick,

we have no idea how that pick is going to turn out to be, right? We can guess because Aaron played MVP football. Jordan Love was throwing the ball. He was missing nets. He was eating and dressed. You know what I mean? But three years from now, sitting behind Aaron for three years maybe, like Aaron had to do behind Brett.

When they were calling Aaron the biggest bust or one of the biggest busts in football, whenever he went in, Chris Collinsworth, there's a clip, whenever he goes in against Dallas, the same night as, I believe, Scott Stapp was playing some music. Something happened. Scott Stapp did something in Jerry World down there. And, you know, Aaron had his hair flowing. And he told the story on here where he was like,

something special is potentially going to happen tonight. He goes in. The first thing that he said is like, basically, how long is Brett going to be out? Because you're not going to win football games with Aaron Rodgers. Right. Was basically the statement. And that was, what, three years into his career?

Mm-hmm. So it's so hard to predict who's going to be great. It's so hard to think when they're going to be great. But I guess there are teams, Packers obviously one of them, and I'm not sure who else, who are just preparing for the future so you can have continued success or whatever. But, man, in the world that we live in now with the amount of money and attention that garners with every success that you have,

I don't know how you keep having that mindset. I'm a let's win right the fuck now guy. Hey, we might die tomorrow. Have we ever think about that? Hey, this quarterback might get hurt next week. Hey, this head coach that we absolutely love, he might not be able to coach ever again here in like two weeks. Whatever reason.

I don't know how people have that long-term mindset, but you got to remember there's people playing chess out there and not checkers, and I guess that's the difference between me and most of those folks. Well, I mean, shit, I'll have to eat my words more than just about anyone. Everybody will. Yeah, exactly, when it comes when it comes to that time but i think i mean going back to it like the the two situations the fact that they traded up when they knew rogers was like i was i was young at the time that was bullshit

exactly fell to them they were a lot of people were saying whether it was you know him or alex smith at number one and it just like so that means they weren't interested in any of the quarterbacks this year's draft then, right? Well, yeah. I mean. If they trade up to get Jordan, they're like, we can't get another Jordan Love in the future.

Yeah, exactly. They were enamored with him. Couldn't believe he fell that far. And it's like, okay, if we don't get him now, you know, he was the high. I think he was the highest guy rated on their board at the time. And then back in the day, if somebody ran very fast, they were going to go to the Raiders top pick out of nowhere. Just somebody gets like infatuated.

All you need is one, by the way. That's like the old saying, you know, in the NFL. All you need is one billionaire, one GM interested. It's much better if there's two of them. But all you need is one. Now, if all 32 are in, great. Yeah. Great news if everybody's in there.

All you need is one. Much better if there's two. that's why you see some deals happen where you're like how did uh old buddy get that much like well there must have been two teams interested in this entire thing it's just the draft is fascinating and i never thought as i was as a player i hated it because the draft was meaning one of my friends was probably going to get cut hell of a run dude you're just watching there like well there's my fucking guy hey man you're a really cool teammate I'm probably never going to see you

again we'll run into each other somewhere I assume you're awesome though have a good one yeah I get it it was a good run wasn't it this guy's going to stink too by the way probably have a good one out there't it? This guy's going to stink, too, by the way. Good luck. Probably. Probably have a good one out there. But that's what the draft was.

Now, as a fan and obviously somebody that's had to be knee-deep in this bullshit coverage of it here over the last couple months, I'm, like, very excited to see it kind of happen. Well, and that's why it's so tough being a Patriots fan because, you know, you said rounds two to seven, who cares? Really, the Patriots draft doesn't start until round three. I mean, rounds three to seven are where we find ourots draft doesn't start till round three I mean rounds three to seven are where we find our guys used to you know used to yeah you used to have such a late pickle at that oh yeah well no I'm saying that that's where Belichick zeroes in the first and second round and Bill Pullian used to do that as well yeah he's like Bill Pullian was

good at finding the diamonds in the rough and everything like that Robert Mathis Gary Brackett things of that nature in the entire squad and it it was like, yeah, but they were drafting so late in the first round, they had to do, like, that type of scouting all the time. Because when you have success, you're a first rounder, but it's, I mean, early second round they say it's a late first round, so whatever. Those are bad teams that are getting those picks there. So it's like the teams that have a lot of success I think are better at scouting the middle of the pack

because they're actually spending a lot more time on that type of shit as opposed to, like, okay, what are the top 15 guys doing? Because, like Mike Tomlin said, I don't ever want to lose enough games to be able to draft somebody that looks like you is what he said to Chase Young or whatever. That's a real – I would assume that is potentially why some teams are better in the middle, and those seem to be the teams that are very, very good. Yeah, and that's why there is some thought of the Patriots trading up because you don't know when they will have this high of a pick,

especially because of, you know, we go seven to nine and then Belichick spends $200 million in free agency. Like when will we be at 15 that high again, by the way, hilarious to think that 15 is so high. Yeah. It is. Lions are back there like, Hey, listen, another single-digit pick. Another single-digit pick. This is the best time of the year to be a Lions fan.

I already forgot about last season. We got a new coach. We got a new staff. And we got another top-ten pick. I got good news for you, too, as a Lions fan. What's that? Their players this morning just announced they are boycotting OTAs. Very nice.

There's a new coach. I want to get better. That'll work out. Yeah. That'll work out. Yeah. That'll work out. We can't do that, by the way. I know. I apologize.

We can't do that. You're right. Because players might be getting better than they've ever been working alone, working by themselves like they did last year. A lot of players said they enjoyed the ramp-up period, the OTAs where it's four to five or like six to seven weeks of high intensity, then you're off for three and a half weeks, then you're back to high intensity. A lot of people's bodies

didn't really handle that as well as they handled last year. That's why the guys went virtual meetings. But a lot of those young guys, it's going to be interesting to see how they adapt and overcome over the years that we got. Justin Jefferson was able to do it, almost won a goddamn MVP. There was a lot of rookies that were able to pull it off. Those special

teams guys, though, the backup linebackers, the backup running backs, the guys that are doing those things that are rookies, I think it's going to be tough to get them involved. But hey, can't learn virtually. Don't want you on a squad. That's right. That's what the players were saying. How did teams with the first-year coaches do

last year after the no training camp or the no OTAs? Was it not good? Well, I know the Panthers have a top ten pick. That's the only one off the top of my head that I can think of. Washington? Was it Rivera's first year? Rivera's first year.

Damn near won a playoff game. Yeah, it's Heineken, but that was in the NFC East, and he did not win a lot of games. And you were still under 500. Yeah, you're right. Could be tough up there for MCDC. Might be. 500. Yeah, you're right. Could be tough up there for MCDC. But I want to let you know that NFLPA NFL battle over the OTAs thing is going to

be something. There's already players that are saying, listen, like Brandon King, who's up in New England as a special teamer. He said, if Bill's telling me to come in, I'm going to come in. I'll be there. By the way, there's a special teamer, which is exactly what I was referring to there.

There's going to be guys who are like, hey, this is my only opportunity to get a job here. I'm going to go. I have to go. And then the NFL PAs can be like, well, if you get good at football and you make this league, what we're talking about is going to be a lot better. And they're all thinking, I'm just trying to make the league. So there's always going to be a split. That's when cba happens it's when that whole thing happens the ogs are like listen if you make it in this league you're immediately going to come to our side and they say well i

don't know if i'm going to make it they got people saying you got to do this just to make it and it's just like who wins there i'll tell you who wins every single time the pr which is always this side the old rich players that have made the n NFL what it is for a long time and are the faces of the NFL and have been there, done that with the NFL. Those are the ones that are always like, Oh, spoiled entitled. It's like, really? They just garnered the way they played football. They just garnered $110 billion deal. So let's have a little bit of respect. A little, but on the other side, I can also...

I wanted to go to the facility to kick whenever I was in the grass where I got to meet guys. This is hot. This is heat about it. Especially in New England, too. Cat's locked in Mr. Neighborhood. Belichick will give your job to an undrafted nobody if you're not showing up.

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It's not Chet Hags. It's not Chet Hags. But this is somebody who will be celebrating white boy summer. You want to school in West Virginia? This song is called Live from the Heartland. Good for him. He makes a banger of four every year or so. He used to be called D.Y. Now he's David Morris.

He and I graduated the same year from West Virginia. He used to do shows in clubs and things like that. He used to get after it. I enjoyed him. I always enjoyed him a lot. That's a banger right there. Yeah, he was a singer at one point, too. I think he could sing. He's just a super musically talented guy. Shout out to him. Joining us right now is a man who will be able to talk about all things happening in the NFL and in the life. The I Am Athlete podcast that he sits alongside,

Brandon Marshall, Ocho Cinco, Fred Taylor, and who else? I think that's it. I'm not 100% sure. I think that's it. But it is incredible to listen to. We had Brandon Marshall on two weeks ago. His conversation was electric. I assume the exact same thing is going to happen right now. Former linebacker of the Miami Dolphins and the Florida Gators,

ladies and gentlemen, Channing Crowder. Yeah! What up, dude? What's going on, baby? Hey. What's going on? Hey, Pat. Yeah.

On the Winter White Boyz Summit. I've never been invited to White Boyz Summit. Man, listen, let me tell you. What we got to do is we got to go down to Jamaica. We got to pick up a fake accent called Chet Hanks, and we are living rude by it. We are living. Channing, thank you so much for joining us, man. I'm a fan of your work.

That I Am Athlete podcast is some of the coolest shit that has hit the Internet in a long, long time, so congrats. Appreciate it, man. You know, I love you too, man. Watch you all the time, bro. You're a talented dude. But yeah, man, a couple boys got together. We said, hey, we sit around the pool drinking beer with our kids every

damn weekend. How about we put some cameras up? And it blew up, bro. So I'm enjoying it. B-Mars, Fred T, Ocho, we having a good time. Yeah, it's incredible content. The conversations are electric. Every single time you guys put a show out, it gets clipped everywhere. So thank you for doing that for all of us in the sports world.

Let's talk a little bit about your career and things that you have said in the past. The first thing I want to get to is you. There's a headline we searched, obviously. We go, Channing Crowder, you come on. You said The Rock wasted his goddamn money with the XFL. Channing, everybody wants to know why you hate the XFL. You don't like The Rock. I would like to learn a little bit more about this statement.

How do you feel about a developmental league of some sort having to happen at some point? Don't you think? Yeah, the developmental league makes sense, man. I love The Rock to death. I love The Rock. I'll raise a baby with The Rock. That's a good-looking man.

Watched him when he was The Rock and now doing all the movies and stuff. Loved The Rock. But we've tried it. They've tried this, man. They've tried the XFL, the AAF and all that stuff. It's not top-quality football. It really isn't. If you are a top-quality player, as you all know, you're going to be in the NFL.

That developmental thing, bro, college is to develop guys. How many guys literally come out the AAF or XFL in the past and went to the league and balled and really changed the league? The concept is great. It's just failed so many times that I really think he's wasting his money. Oh man, you stumped me there with the question. Actually, I was trying to run through the AFL and the only thing I could think of was that first week where that one guy got fucking

murdered. The AFL had that one guy get killed, and it was like, okay, they're going to be a success because there's big hits here. Then in the XFL... Tommy Maddox. Hey, yeah, Tommy Maddox! Come on! Hey, listen, Tommy Maddox, Channing, have a little bit of respect for Tommy Maddox. We're talking to Channing Crowder.

Sorry, Tommy. Why do you think it is so hard, by the way, the disparity between a good player and a great player, right? And I think this is something that, you know, listening to I Am Athlete podcast, and I hope I get to shine a light on too, like what you're doing in between years and the situation you're in is much bigger deal.

There's a lot of people that can run. There's a lot of people that can tackle. Why do you think it is so hard for some people to make the transition? We're staring down the draft right now. A lot of these dudes ain't going to make it. That's just how it is, and there's a lot of conversation. Why do you think that is, Channing? Because the physical thing, the physical side, working out,

you know, all the stuff, the God-given ability, being, you know, 6'3", 250 and running a 4'5", there's people that can do that. Like, Usain Bolt is the fastest human ever. If he got on the football field, his ass is getting knocked the hell out because it's just so much more to it. And that's what people say. Bigger, stronger, faster. You remember

them damn workouts, Pat. Bigger, stronger, faster. Bigger, stronger, faster. You gotta know what the hell you're doing. You're playing against the best athletes in the world. Like, in high school, bro, I didn't get touched by a lineman. Went to UF, two years, all SEC, two years, all American. Like, it was easy. You got

to that league, them damn linemen, they were ballerinas at 360. You have to know what he's doing. You have to know when the splits are cut. You got to know, you know, the mental side of the game. And it gets harder and harder. As a linebacker, bro, I'm

competing against Andy Reid and Bill Belichick and Sean, you know, McVay and those guys because they're trying to scheme you up being the duck. They're trying to get a damn tight end or running back on me. So you're going against the best

football minds in the world and you have to perform physically. That's why it's the 1% of the 1%. And you're not the 1% of the 1%. And you're not the 1% of the 1%. So we're going to make up some leagues to make it the 3% of the 3%. It doesn't make any sense

to me. I love football. I would love to have football year-round. I would love to have those leagues work out. I watch those secondary leagues and the shit is boring. Channing, I was on a sideline commentating one, and I was like, oh, man, this is, it's hard for me to watch, just like, for instance, it's hard for me to watch college football,

even though college football is very good, because I literally had a front row seat to elite football every single day. And whenever you watch them, it's like, I feel like I'm watching a high school football game. Like, I literally feel like I'm watching a high school football game. Like, I literally feel like I'm watching a high school football game. I've actually said before, and it might be a dumb comment, but I feel like I could potentially, with how defenses are in college and with what you said, their offensive linemen didn't even touch you

in the SEC, which is the best thing, which is why I obviously got drafted and had success in that thing. I think at this point in my stage, with my football IQ in those colleges, I think I could potentially be a Heisman finalistic quarterback, and that should not happen, okay? That should not be the case. I'm just saying, like, there's just levels to this shit. When you get to the NFL, it is a different level.

You got to experience something with the Dolphins that I think is very, very fascinating. I believe Saban was your coach down there, right? Saban is going to be – he's going to go down as top coach of all time for college football, one of the greatest coaches of all time in all sports and everything like that. He did not work in the Miami Dolphins organization. Urban Meyer now goes to Jacksonville,

and I think this is potentially an Urban Meyer to Nick Saban. I think this is something that he did want to accomplish. Why was Saban not a good NFL coach? And do you think that Urban potentially is going to do well or fail as an NFL coach? First off, the X and O's of Nick Saban, bro, the man's a genius. He knows football. Like, between the lines, he'd tell us why the offense is out there. He would tell the defense.

And this is how he talked to people. And this is kind of the reason why the second part of your question, he didn't make it. He wouldn't come up and say, hey Crowder, they're going to go trips. You know, the bat's going to be offset. They're going to throw a screen weak side on third down, make the tackle, shoot the B gap and we'll get off the field. He'll come

up. Hey, they're throwing at you. They don't trust you. I don't trust you. They're going to throw a weak screen because you're over there and if you make the tackle, then we'll get out of the field. If you don't trust you. I don't trust you. They're going to throw a weak screen because you're over there. And if you make the tackle, then we'll get out of the field. If you don't make the tackle, then we're fucked. That's how we talk to grown men. And bro, I've seen Zach Thomas

cuss his ass out. Keith Traylor cuss him out. Junior Seau cuss him out. Because you talk to a grown man that way, Pat, and you know, like, he said something to, you know, Zach. He was like, I just caught a fucking black hole. And Zach looked at him and was like, man, who the hell do you think you're talking to? Like, I built this damn organization, you know.

So, that's what the X and O of it. And Urban, to Urban's point, the X and O of it, I think a lot of college coaches can go in here and scheme up defense and offense. I really, I love Urban. Urban got my Gators two national championships. I love Urban. Urban got my Gators two national championships. I love Urban. But to get to the NFL, you've got to humble yourself and have people skills with grown-ass, rich-ass men.

He walked into a Jason Taylor that probably had $150 million in the bank. You're not going to call me and talk to me like a little boy when I'm sitting on 150 and I'm a first-ballot Hall of Famer, 12-time Pro Bowler. You can go to hell, little dude. So I know everybody heard ballot hall of famer, 12 time pro bowler. You can go to hell little dude. So I know everybody heard the story. Dante Culpepper, Dante,

he ran up on Dante and Dante said, you better get your short ass out of my motherfucking face. The college side of it. You can be a dictator when you're in college. You run everything. Hey, in college, you run everything.

Workouts, study hall, meals, classes, practices, year round, everything. And by the way, you run everything. Workouts, study hall, meals, classes, practices, year-round, everything. And by the way, you don't do it? We got a scholarship for somebody else. In the NFL, and this is my exact take on everything, and thank you for saying what you just said down there in Miami

because I just had a couple thoughts of big, handsome-ass Jason Taylor. Hey, get the fuck out of here. But the thought of it is in the NFL, guys, grown men, to your point, in high school, the football coach has a higher football IQ than everybody. Okay, so what he says, you need to listen to me. College, same thing. I gave you the scholarship. You're here.

I know football better than you. Let me teach you this thing. In the NFL, there are some guys that have been around football 20 years that are still playing in the NFL. They're like, hey, my football, I understand you've been around football because you're older than me maybe a little bit longer but I've been around football at a very high level too I there needs to be a little bit of a peer conversation here as opposed to uh and I think that is why some people just absolutely fail miserably in the NFL I I don't I don't know Urban well enough to know whether or not he's gonna get that right or not.

If he humbles himself, because I actually left UF because Urban came in. I was with Ron Zook. They fired Zook. I wanted to hear it. I was chasing money. We talk about it on the podcast. These guys talk about greatness and Hall of Fame and this. Bro, I knew how much my check was going to be after taxes

every single game. This week they're giving me $27,000. They're giving me $71,000. I wouldn't know before the game how much I'm making that Sunday. And a lot of people are taken aback by me saying that, but I'm real. Brandon wanted to go to the Hall of Fame. Ocho wanted to go to the Hall of Fame. Fred wanted to go to the Hall of Fame.

I wanted to get millions of dollars so that I can get a big ass fishing boat hang out all day raise my kids and have a good time hey so i had a conversation with a coach actually when i was in the nfl he came in he was like an assistant or whatever he was a little bit younger and he uh you know he seemed like he was flustered he was yelling at people and i like i i went to him and I like almost had a conversation with him. Like, Hey, like you can't, like, I think the way you're handling things, like you can't, like, that's not, I think it's not your best interest to be talking the way you're talking to people. I think, you know, this way with this guy is like,

I think that's a good conversation to have with coaches, especially I feel like if they maybe have known you before or whatever, they come in and he goes, Oh, this guy doesn't love football. He's only in it for the money. I was like, who cares, dude? I want to let you know, like, it doesn't matter what he's in it for. He's still in it. Okay.

So if his passion is success, so his entire family can be set up. Okay. Just act as such. Like that is what he is here for. By the way, he might not be on his team for more than three weeks. So to think like he wants to, to think he wants to, oh, he loves the Colts, he'll die for the Colts. Like, you want people like that?

Not everybody's going to be like that. Coach accordingly. And I think that is just kind of the offset from the way media kind of covers things and the expectation is from the fans from real life. A lot of guys get cut.

A lot of guys are gone. A lot of guys have missions. A lot of guys, as long as they have a why, who gives a fuck what it is? Oh, hell yeah. Bro, when we went 1-15 with Cam Cameron's silly ass,

Cam Cameron was the goofiest coach in the history of football. Goofy as hell. We were 1-15. They come back next year, bro, I think 18. 18 of the 60 guys, the roster guys in the practice squad, 18 of us made it.

I looked around at that point. I wrote I got to get this bread because my ass is next. They cut that they cut Junior damn say out when they cut June bug. That's why I said, oh, yeah, this is different because I'm not on that level. My ass is next to go. That's the thing and fans do to fans.

Honestly, they love they have the passion for the team. And I love fans. That's what makes the game is fans. But if my mortgage statement is late, are these fans that love me and bought my jersey going to cash at me some bread? Like, you know, my kids eat.

My son is big as hell. He needs a lot of protein. You know, he needs a chicken and me a couple damn churroscos. I don't think so, Pat. So that midline, high schools, camaraderie. Play for your city. College, play for the school.

NFL, bro, you are an LLC. I was Channing Crowder LLC. You were Pat McVie LLC. And if that business wasn't performing, they were going to get rid of your ass just as fast as they draft it or sign it. By the way, instead of being a limited liability corporation, I was an ink. So it was actually Pat McAfee ink, which is what we are now. And I was then.

That is actually what it was, Channing. Man, I fucking love you, dude. Thank you for coming on today, man. What do you have, Connor? Yeah, Channing, recently on the I Am Athlete pod, your guy Brandon Brandon Marshall, kind of mixed up a couple of details about NBA contracts. Hey, big

mad. Yeah. Big mad. Do it in the middle of that thing. Did you let him know or did you just have him log on to Twitter and find out, like the rest of us, how the contracts actually work? Bro, we argued that night. I Googled that night. Right as soon as the cameras went up, I'm like, look, B.

And he was hot now. He was fire hot because he got his big ass up looking like a fucking velociraptor screaming and yelling and all that shit coming out his neck. And he was feeling like, B, look, look. And he was too frustrated that night to talk. We're texting later on. I'm sending him screenshots of these damn websites. It's getting worse.

How many players have no guaranteed contracts in the league? They went through all 30 teams. There was no guy without a guaranteed contract currently on the roster. I'm like, B. He was like, oh, call my neighbor's Rajah Bell. I'm cool with you not his ass. He's like, call your friends. I said, B, I just talked to Google, motherfucker.

Look at what's going on. Look at this. I said, B, I just talked to Google, motherfucker. Look at what's going on. Look at this. So last episode, he kind of pulled back a little bit. But yeah, you know, it's like the locker room, man. And I said, and B even talked about it on the show. He got a little sensitive. We were talking a lot of trash, messing around with him. And he got in his feelings a little bit and took it out on me.

I was waiting for his big ass to come around the edge of that table because I had my left foot in the ground, and I had that right straight ready to go. Oh, hey, you were good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were good. Yeah, yeah. You got to get that plant foot.

Get that plant foot. Long as you got that left in the ground, you can throw that right. The locker room is a place that everybody, you know, whenever they retire, that obviously the checks are something they miss and the opportunity to do things that are, you know, great stories. But the locker room is always something that people miss out on. I'm very lucky to have a group of dudes that kind of get it around me, you know, that understand like the banter. And I think that is why the I Am Athlete podcast is so good, man. It's like

a trip back in there. And I mean, you guys take ventures now like we're big mad we're laughing I think I saw some tears in some episodes I mean it is you guys are fucking awesome down there man and I can't thank you enough for joining us here today oh man thanks for having me and that that dynamic is what I think just you know on a little bit serious note, what dudes need, what men need. Like, you need men to be around you. Like you said, you got your boys. I got my homeboys. I got, you know, a bunch of dudes I love and grew up with,

live in Miami now. So I got my boys that are going to tell me when I'm fucking up or when I'm saying something crazy or if I get too big time. When I got my second contract and the Dolphins gave me a number of millions of dollars i remember being like they're like proud bro stop buying bottles we ain't gonna drink no damn three bottles my friends in the bed like if you drink three bottles of liquor everybody's gonna pee in the bed we need to relax we need to sit in the club to relax. Sit in the club. Let's go sit by the bar like we used to.

We'll drink some drinks by the bar, holler at some girls, see if we can get a little post-club fun. But don't change. And I think that's what – honestly, like me, Brandon, Fred, Ocho, we hang out. Me and Brandon's kids play tennis together, play baseball together. We're friends. We're tight.

And that's the thing, man. Have some dudes that aren't on a payroll. Have some dudes that aren't hanging around. They got their own shit, but they are real friends to you and gonna tell you, bro, that's cool. Oh, okay, I understand what you're saying. Oh, no, that don't make no damn sense, bro. You need some real ones around. I call them real ones. You need some real ones

around you, and that's really what the IMF podcast is, is a bunch of big male lions. You know how it is in the locker room. Male territorial lions sitting down, having conversations that everybody has in the locker room, everybody has at the bar, everybody

has on the back porch, but just letting the world see it, that these alpha males can argue, can fight, like you say, can cry, and we're going to sit there and we're going to accept those emotions and we're going to just talk and be cool. That's what life's about. And I think that's what we're articulating the best with the IMF.

I think you explained it perfectly there. And the thought of you saying you describe it as real ones, that's the biggest compliment you can give somebody in the NFL, right? Like when somebody comes into a locker room from another locker room and you ask like hey what's this dude like and they're like oh you're a real one or whatever it's like okay all right here we go we know exactly we know exactly what's showing up in the locker we know exactly what's coming then that's why there's a lot of people that talk you know i'm as the world is starting to grow a little bit i always wonder what former

teammates say about the person before I like really do anything else. I'm always like, I want to know what like other people say before we take said person serious. I would like us to at least understand how he was taken by other people that he had to kind of go through that locker room and that entire thing with, because it's a special place, man. I said this, you know, as the world was kind of separating even more than it ever has in the past. And I'm not the only person that's ever said this, obviously, but like the locker room is this melting pot of just people from everywhere, every place, every background, every religion. Then you kind of come together and try to, you know know we're all going towards one goal

right so it's a super bowl and the amount of shit talk that is in there and the things that are said to get to that and kind of embrace that whole thing it's a beautiful thing and i and i i really appreciate you guys making it available for people in that show ty has a question for you too before we get out of here sorry channing channing having played for the dolphins and being down there I know they had a little bit more success last year but do you think they're ever going to get it right like are they ever going to get to that point what that seems like we've been waiting for 40 years for them to get back to yeah yeah well once Marino retired that shit was done I played you know I played with bro I played six years with the Dolphins I think I played for 10 quarter the Dolphins.

I think I played for 10 quarterbacks. You know what I'm saying? That's not a successful thing. That whole, the 1985 Bears shit, the 2,000 Ravens, 0-2 Bucs, that defensive 17-6 game, that shit is gone in the NFL. Got to put points on the board. Hopefully, too, is that guy. I'll tell you this.

I love Brian Flores. Talk to Brian. Straight edge guy. Smart football dude. I think Brian Flores is the answer. Chris Greer, the GM, is who has to do it. He's been doing his thing, moving around. You saw what he did with San Francisco and, you know,

jumping from three to 12, 12 back to six. Like Chris is doing his thing, but he's the one that has to buy these damn groceries. So Flores can flourish in this league. Can make a meal. This is going to be a big-ass year for him. With all these drafts, the next two years, we have, you know, three, four first rounds.

We got, you know, a couple dozen draft picks. That's what it is. I love the coaching. People talk about the organization and the culture. Everybody talks about culture. You need players to play football. Like, but there's no coach. Nick Saban's smart ass. Bill Belichick's smart ass. I haven't seen him make one tackle. I haven't seen him score one touchdown. You have to acquire pieces and put their ass in the situation to be successful. And that's on Flores and Greer. But to answer it

simply, I do believe, I had to bet money and I'm a gambling man. I gamble every single night. I got all of it. I would put money that this Dolphin team is going to continue to ascend because of how they're building it right now. They're not trying to go buy an Indomitian Sioux for $100 million, go buy a Mike Wallace for $100 million, bring in Dante Culpepper in his career and all that silly shit we did in the past.

They're drafting players. They're sticking with players. They're adding free agent pieces like the good teams do and like I believe that Brian Flores learned in the week. I do like that Chris Greer went to the grocery store, grabbed some groceries, went back to the house and grabbed the Calvan Noy tomato and said, get the fuck out of here.

See you later. We bought it. We won it. What's that? I said, get him out of there. And I like that, too. I hate when, oh, no, well, you just signed him. Hold on to him. If he doesn't fit your shit, get rid of him. Okay.

See, that's ten quarterbacks in six years. That's what people are talking about, you know, like turnover. Like, hey, maybe we, who knows. Nick, what do you have? Channing, Pat was talking about the camaraderie and and the team and everybody in the locker room coming together and everything uh when you got into the infamous uh war of words with rex ryan when he was a jets coach were guys in the locker room gassing you up for that or was that all you just like i'm sick of this dude talking i'm gonna let him have it i got sick of what started

actually was i saw i'm riding to a golf tournament, and I saw, you know, I'm listening to sports radio. I'm a sports radio nerd. I'm a, you know, podcast and all that crap. So I'm listening, and he's like, yeah, we won the offseason. I'm like, you won the offseason? I didn't win the offseason. Get out of here. And I already like to talk shit. So then,

coincidentally, that same day, there was media out there, and somebody asked me about it. Oh, you heard what Rex Ryan said? And I said, yeah, congratulations, you won the offseason. But, you know, there's no Super Bowl trophy given now. And so then we started going back and forth. Bro, to your question, the team, they loved it. They loved that.

They were, like, proud of it. We know because everybody knows I talk shit. I got in fights on the field. You know, a bunch of guys were like, they were guys. Leonard Davis, the guard from the Dallas Cowboys, chased me around for like a quarter. And I was trying to put Zach over there. Zach, get on the left.

He said, no, you pissed him off, CeCe. You can throw that over there. Chased me around for a quarter because I said some choice words about some. I do research on guys. Yeah, okay. One of those guys. Yeah, yeah. I said some choice words. And he got upset with chasing me with chasing around me and Matt light we fought on the field because I found some information out

about him but so now so now I went to the coaching side and my teammates were like they loved it but they were like bro your ass is crazy yeah something's wrong with you I'm like what is it gonna like what's gonna happen Rex Ryan's gonna? Run the ball straight at me and try to teach me a lesson? Okay, I'll make the tackle. I didn't see why people were scared. I said, the hell with that. The hell with Rex. The hell with the Jets.

I already didn't like the Jets, so I didn't give a damn about none of them. When he says, I've walked over tougher people than Channing Crowder to get to a fight before, made you laugh a little bit? A pretty good line. I mean, a pretty good line from Rex? Oh, yeah. He knows how to talk trash. That was pretty good.

Actually, it's crazy to say, my mom saw him somewhere after that, and he actually said something to my mom about it. My mom went up to him and was like, I'm Channing Crowder's mother. And he was like, oh, I love your son. He kind of pulled back. And at the end of the interview, he even said it. He was like, oh, no, no, no, kind of pulled back. And at the end of the interview, he even said it. He was like, oh, no, no, no, no. Let me laugh so this guy doesn't kill me.

But, yeah, man, think about it. Think about it. If you hit Rex Ryan with two blows to the body, he's going to curl over. I got it. So I do appreciate a good trash talk. It was fun. My teammates enjoyed it. But, yeah, the media made something of it. so I like it. I do appreciate a good trash talk. It was fun. My teammates enjoyed it.

But, yeah, the media made something of it. But I love it. I don't give a damn. Why would I? Hey, and by the way, I bet Rex absolutely loved the opportunity as well. I mean, he's getting a chance to meet him here in the last couple years. Electric. He'd be great on the I Am Athlete podcast, actually.

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My God. So if you live to 130, you ain't got shit left. No. Minus 30. Well, if it starts around 30, this is one of those questions on a test where, you know, it begins around 30, and the testosterone production declines by roughly 1% per year. So does it

start at zero or does it start at 30? That's the thing. This is where they can get you. It's one of them damn word problems. This is one of those rounds where you're like, oh, wait a minute. Which, can I ask a follow-up? Anyways, I was good at those tests because I always viewed it as me versus the fucking teacher. That's right.

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Super Bowl champion, A.J. Hawk. Hey! A.J., you and this man shared the same landscape in real estate on Sunday. He was with his caddy and millions of people watching at home. You were wandering all by yourself, lost in a crowd, lost from your crowd, meandering around like a Neanderthal. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, primetime golfer, legendary human, meme on the Internet,

and I believe he came in second at the Masters. Ladies and gentlemen, Will Zalek. Yeah! Will, how are you, buddy? Oh, my God, I love it. Thanks, guys. I'm a massive fan. Hey, Will, we're a big fan of yours, too.

You don't have to lie to us to begin this conversation, but I do appreciate you saying that. Will, I want to let you know that learning about you this weekend was fantastic. How I learned about you exactly was via a Nick Moraldo tweet, okay? So Nick Moraldo tweeted out, obviously picture of you and you know, happy's caddy. Okay.

And he said, cool. It went viral. But what had happened was immediately upon it going viral is the golf community was like, Oh, real original joke. So I guess this has been something that's been around for a long time.

Your golf career. I think you just got introduced to a lot of people this weekend, whether it was Meme or by your incredible play. How did we get here, and why did I not know who the hell you were, Will? You're electric out there. Thanks, brother. Yeah, the Happy Gilmore Caddy reference, I guess, has been going on since I was like 17. And I thought it was funny because I had long hair back then

and then I cut it really short for a few years and then I was like you know what the hell that got COVID I'm not gonna get a haircut I'll let it grow out and then all of a sudden I went to tournament and finished well in the open and all of a sudden all the references are coming back and then you know having Adam Sandler tweet at me it was like what the hell just happened the last two years legendary dude hey what what's it like now so i was out there i got to follow you on sunday for a long time which i don't know if you could feel it but the crowd was like growing as every you obviously you came out of the gates hot with two birdies and i'm sitting there in the crowd i think i was on three

and everyone's talking about you coming up to the tee and they're all running like could you feel like all of that momentum gaining that you kind of took with you from the start yeah no i mean i just it was really cool just because it's like all these guys were you know making happy gilmore references uh owen wilson references you know guys rude me on in between shots um but it was that it was like that all day so it's just fun to feed off of it i could tell as thedog, and a lot of people were rooting for me. And I wish I could have slowed the day down a little bit, but I also found out that I now have like 47 different variations of my last name too.

So that was kind of fun to hear too. Did I say it right? Oh, no, you got it right. No, it was just funny hearing like, there's that Zalataris kid or whatever it is. Oh, no, you got it right. No, it was just funny hearing, like, there's that Zalataris kid or whatever. I was like, man, I've been a rookie, like, for 10 events now.

It's like, at least maybe get that one right. Well, I did you. Now, I just learned that you're a rookie, by the way. By the way, this is. I knew your name, though. Hey, fucking knew your name. Okay, so get off my ass, golf community or whatever. Did you wonder how you would potentially perform at that set?

Like going into golf? Yeah. Everybody knows it's a massive head game. Like, Hey, this is in between the ears. A lot of people can millions and millions of people every single day, try to hit golf balls. And then there's only people that make money off of this thing.

Did you have that wonder of like, okay, master Sunday crowd around me in contention did you ever wonder to yourself how will i perform in that situation or is it just another day in the on the golf course for you yeah i i mean it was uh i thought saturday actually kind of set me up for sunday because it's like i hadn't been in a final group on the PGA tour yet, but I had contended in a couple of events. Um, and Saturday was kind of the day where it was like, you know, it's, I, it meant a little bit more to me than it probably did for a couple other

people, just cause I'd want to see how I handled it. And I was standing on the first tee and I looked at my caddy and I was like, I'm not trying to put down the masters here, but it's like, I thought I'd be more nervous. Yeah. Like Idy and I was like I'm not trying to put down the masters here but it's like I thought I'd be more nervous oh yeah like I and I I don't know if it's just like the preparation meets opportunity type thing but I knew that I was like man we're gonna be in for some fun this weekend and then you know Sunday being four back going in the last round it was like you know weapons free boys I mean we're firing at everything let everyone. Let's go after this.

And birdieing one and two, that was, to me, kind of like the, okay, yeah, we need to – we're in this thing. And I think I was like five or six back going into AMN Corner, and I needed to birdie 13 at least to give myself a chance. And then I didn't realize Hideki had knocked in the water on 15 which then i heard the groans but i didn't think that was him just because i saw i was walking up 17 which is right next to it and uh i was like you know what let's do our best here just birdie birdie finish anything can happen you've been watching this tournament forever and you see

those guys with the leaderboards where they have like the 15 minute intervals of like 4 15 there's five shot lead 4 30 it's like two shots and then five o'clock there's like four guys tied for the lead you're like what the hell just happened and so i just it was like let's just see what happens obviously it only ended up being one shot yeah sunday's at the master let's just go birdie birdie here to end this sorry about that aj what do you got? Hey, what was it like Saturday night trying to go to bed, trying to sleep? Were you renting a house close by? Who did you have in town with you?

And what was that also waiting around to be in one of the last groups? That has to be kind of a weird feeling, I would imagine. Yeah. So Saturday night I was actually – because we had the rain delay. I was eating dinner at like 10.15. Because I didn't get back we had the rain delay. I was eating dinner at like 10 15. So, cause I didn't get back till about nine 30. And so it was actually kind of a blessing at the same time because I didn't get to bed till like 12 31, but it made me kind of sleep in a little bit till like 10.

And kind of the mistake that I made on Saturday was I was up at seven, seven 30 and, you know, I'm like waiting around, you know, like, all right, you know, I've already done, you know, it's like, give me that newspaper. I'll do a crossword puzzle. And so I like, I, Saturday was kind of more of the nerve wracking morning and Sunday. Cause Sunday I just, I honestly, I've wanted to be in that position my entire life.

And I was like, you know, we've made it this far. You know, you handled yesterday pretty damn well. So, you know, whatever, you can go out and shoot 78 today and you're going to do whatever other 24-year-old's going to do. So, you know, we go out and, you know, like I said, it's kind of what my caddy and I joked about is weapons-free, boys. Yeah, that's awesome. You're 24.

I just learned that as well. Probably should have known that. See, there's a couple things I probably should have known going into this. The other thing I learned in your answer there was you eat dinner at 10.15. I thought dinner that late causes, you know what I mean? That's kind of what happens to me. I start eating later. I wake up the next morning.

I'm 260. I'm 265. I'm 270. You might be one of the most fit humans I've ever seen in my entire life. Are you on a strict diet? How do you manage that? It is very impressive to see you kind of, I don't want to say your body of work, but literally your body of work.

You may be the most fit human I've ever seen in my entire life. Well, I had, after a few beverages on Sunday, I needed something to kind of soak it up the next morning with the family. So I had cookout and then I had pizza. Son of a bitch. You're eating pizza too. Have you always been like that? Have you always golfed other sports?

How did you kind of get into it? Baseball, basketball, and golf. I loved pitching. I pitched until I got to high school, and the only thing I could hit was low and away, which, I mean, it's where a golf ball is. So I was like, you know what the hell is this? I mean, I love pitching,

but I think that's honestly where i got all the speed from i mean even though i'm you know pretty wiry and slim i mean i'm still top 20 and distance off the tee for the tour so oh yeah it's just like i mean there's trust me i'm not like bryson where he's like kind of babying it out there 330 and then all of a sudden you see him go Hulk smash and it's like 380. It's like my 330 is like every single pound of me is going after it. I need you to start bringing out like the 3-wood on the tee box, have people start to boo it, put it back in there, pull out the driver. That's what DeChambeau is doing now.

Whenever you say weapons-free boys, do you have different strategies for courses? Because as I was going stages with golf, you know, I'll play a lot. I feel like I'll get good at golf. I'll start making smarter plays. I'll lay up here. I'll do this. I'll start playing the course for what it is.

And then there's times where I'm golfing like once every three months. I'm going out there. I'm hitting the ball as far as I can every fucking time. And let's go ahead and have a good time here whenever you talk about weapons free is it like you're just you're using a different strategy to the course in what course have you found is good for the way you play yeah i think um like kind of the whole it was more of like an attitude because the thing about augusta is it's like there's some hole it's very it kind of goes in waves like the second and third hole are pretty easy holes you can make some birdies then four through six is pretty hard and then seven eight nine you make some birdies then

10 11 are hard then 12 through 16 you've got birdies and 17 18 is a tough finish so it's a lot of like up and down I think that's why guys love watching it um but i think you know it was more of a little bit more of a mindset the last day but there were a few pins that i probably wouldn't have really fired at on any other day but i was five or six back and it's like hey you gotta take this chance like if you're gonna go ahead and hit this thing to 30 feet like par par's not gonna help you here like Like we need some birdies, but I think, I think places like that. I think that's why I played well, like in the major so far, it's just because the courses are so much harder and ball striking has

always been my forte. So, you know, it's like the U S open. I mean, it's like 7,700 yards, six inch rough greens run at like 13. It's like, that's perfect for me. Like I hit it farther than a lot of guys and whenever I hit fairways, I typically hit it closer. So it's like, that's kind of, is this golf? Yeah. Is this golf or not? Yeah. Further and closer. Is that what a lie? I gotta say you do have a good move at it. So just keep on shipping that thing. Oh, you've seen the move? Is that what it's called? You've seen the play?

Oh, yeah, I've seen it. I tried to, you know, I tried to putt like Bryson with the arm. I can't fucking putt, Will. I don't know how you guys do it. I have no idea how you do it. If I could figure out the flat stick, I think I could enjoy golf a lot more. You know what I mean? Darren Williams is a buddy of mine,

and he played i think in that charity event that you did or the two teams or whatever yeah yeah yeah and i was like i told him i i'm not trying to fangirl you here but i was like i was like yeah i listen to pat all the time and he's like he's like yeah he's a cool guy but he doesn't wear shoes yeah yeah by the way that has changed i'm trying to respect the game a little bit more that's right i've learned allegedly now i i have not out of my own personal research, seen much advancement in my play. Allegedly, the grip matters on the ground.

So I was going to, like, try to be good at golf again because I was at one point, and they told me, well, if you're bare feet, you're starting yourself way behind if you do that. I put shoes on. I fucking stunk. Lost 11 balls in eight holes, Will. 11 balls, eight holes. Can't do it.

What do you got, Connor? Yeah, Willie, I read that you four went your senior year at Wake Forest. Did you know, like, while you were in college, like, holy shit, I'm going to, you know, probably finish second in the Masters in 2021 and become a millionaire? Or is this, like, whole thing kind of like a, holy shit, look what I'm doing? Yeah, it's more of the holy shit, look what I'm doing. My first year as a pro, I did a bunch of Monday qualifiers and missed all of them, the Miss Q school.

And then basically I Monday qualified my way in in 2019 to the Corn Fairy Tour. And then last year I just missed my card literally by a shot in 2019 i needed to make i missed two or two out of the last three cuts but then had a really good finish in evansville and i missed the corn fairy or missed our promotion i guess off of basically one shot if i make one of those weekends um i end up you know just have a decent weekend i would have got my card so i'm kind of stewing for like three months um you know the fact that all it took was just one shot and then 2020 hits with covet and now i've got a four month layoff and so it's like dude i've played three events in the last seven months and it literally came down to one shot

and that's the difference i think that kind of just fired me up but i i left early because i had a bunch of starts um and uh i honestly didn't do anything with them but it was still a really good experience and you know stuff that i rely on to this day hey how stupid is it that you technically don't have your your pga tour card right now? What? Did they change the rules? What does that even mean?

I watched the big break. You hit it through some boss, get a cue card, you can do the whole thing. Yeah, it's a weird spot to be in. But, you know, it's not like they're going to change the rule midseason. It is what it is. I have to win to technically be a member right now and to get into the FedExCup playoffs. Let's go.

But put it this way, it's like, you know, I'm in the top 30 in the world, but how many times has a guy come from the Corn Fairy Tour and been top 30 in the world? Like the reality is a lot of those guys like Colin Morikawa, Victor Hovland, all those guys, they've won in their first year. And so this situation has never come up. So that's why it's just kind of like, you know, every week it kind of frees me up where it's like I'm locked up for next year.

I'm in all the majors until, you know, through, I guess, the Masters of next year. Like finishing second the next 20 weeks in a row means the same thing as finishing 20th. You know, it'd make a hell of a lot more money. But, you know, it's like I need that win. I'm thinking of you, and I mean, aside from the very low-hanging fruit here of the internet, happy Gilmore hopping in the car, driving to these tournaments, putting the big checks in the back, and then just driving to the next one.

The guy, I know he's supposed to be here just collecting his checks, and try to take him to a big bank where I can get the big amount. So what do we got, Diggs? Well, so I'm looking at you finished 15th, 22nd, 10th, 21st, and 2nd. So pretty solid. So your name on the tour now, is there an older player or older players who have taken you in and given you some advice? And do older players or any players, if they miss a cut on Friday at Augusta, stick around for the weekend besides DJ because he has to hand out the jacket?

I know a lot of past champions hit balls on the weekend. Mike Weir and Bernard Langer were hitting balls on the weekend. Langer? My God, Langer? I played with him Thursday, Friday, and, I mean, I played with him Thursday, Friday. And, I mean, I was messing with him a little bit because I just absolutely laced one on eight. And just straight downwind, there was like 325 to cover the right bunker,

and I carried it. And I was like, I was feeling pretty good about myself. And Langer hits three wood to lay up short of the bunker. So, I'm spotting him like 120 yards. And I, like, hit five iron up there, and I put it in a bad spot, have a tough up and down, end up making par. Langer goes three wood, three wood, eight iron to a foot and makes birdie. I walk up on the tee.

I'm like, I just spotted you 120 effing yards, and you still got me. Yeah. The guy's 60-plus years old, and the guy can still play. Hey, Gary Player. Gary play. Hey, Gary Player. Gary Player. Hey, Gary Player. I mean, he absolutely smoked that thing. Do you all go to that?

Was everybody that plays in a tournament sitting there at that thing? Well, so my tee time was, like, too close to go watch because it would have screwed up my warm-up. But I saw them warming up on the range, and they're, like, going through would have screwed up my warm-up but i saw them warming up on the range and they're like going through a full-blown warm-up i mean these guys are in their 80s and they're talking about what they're working on and the story goes that this week that gary said that he shot 78 a couple weeks ago and he said he was really frustrated because he's like man i think i might have i played my last soon. Like, I still think there's something in there.

That's incredible. Hey, that's golf though. Golf, you can be a 55-, 60-year-old champion. That is, with your style of golf, you said you're a long ball hitter and everything like that. Do you – like, are you already planning for a potential 30-year career? Because that is something – you're 24, you're young as hell. Is that something that even crosses your mind? Or is it just like, well, let's get a card to be on the tour first before we even think about that.

But that is the real thing about golf. Like, I have thought to myself, I could probably do two more careers, retire from them, and still potentially have enough time to get on that senior tour and win. Golf, you can be 60 years old and still win a goddamn tournament on the weekends. Yeah. Well, I mean, look at Romo. I mean, Romo's 40, and he's still, I mean, I play a lot of golf with him at home, but, I mean, that guy treats it like an all-out job.

And, I mean, he has no reason to either. I mean, it's like the guy obviously has a nice little contract and had a nice little career. He's had a pretty rough back, and look at him go. I mean, he's out there 10 hours a day. Ty, what do you have? Will, in terms of the money, when you're out there, is it tough not to consciously think about that stuff?

I mean, I know Shoffley on Sunday lost like $660,000 by dumping it into the water. Are you thinking that when you're out there? Like, oh, shit, I just lost like $60,000 bucks by dumping it into the water. Like, are you thinking that when you're out there? Like, oh shit, I just lost like 500K. Well, the Corn Fairy Tour, I think. Yeah, I mean, that's actually a good point with the Corn Fairy Tour. It's like a year ago, I was thinking, you know, if I made like a $40,000 check on the Corn Fairy Tour,

I'm like, sweet, I got two years of rent out of this. This is great. And, you know, things have changed a little bit, i'd say no i mean i don't play that's the thing that's kind of funny is like it's not our money yet you know it's like it's not like it's points this past yeah it's not like this past week you know it's like i had whatever i made last week and all of a sudden if i made a couple bogeys you're taking away that you know like in Xander's case six hundred thousand dollars like it if you're out there playing for the money you know it makes it a lot harder especially playing the last few holes but

it's like you know I love Kiz's line because it's so brutally honest but it's so funny where Kiz was saying that like look man there's just some courses that I just can't contend on. And they asked, well, then why do you show up? He said, because I pay a lot of money for 20th. Hey, by the way, Kiz has a good time. Hey, we saw Kiz have a very good time one night. He's a hilarious individual, obviously.

I love that guy. Hey, he is, I mean, I think I would too from watching. He put on a show would too from watching He put on a show He did Oh my god they were awesome Anybody been a Douche to you No but I think it's been funny that I've gotten

Like 75 Venmo requests For like hey thanks for blowing the masters Or something like that like a hundred dollar request I was talking about PGA guys But but the internet's going to do that. The internet's going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you're always going to get the trolls,

but the Venmo requests for like a hundred bucks, like, you know, one shot really stuff like that. And I'm like, man, this is actually really funny. Yeah, it is. But how about PGA guy, any older golfers that you've met that you were like, oh, not as nice as I potentially thought. Or is there anybody that you met that was like incredibly cool that you've met that you were like, oh, not as nice as I potentially thought? Or is there anybody that you met that was like incredibly cool that you couldn't have expected?

You know, I, so I played, I played two rounds with Bubba at WGC and I played a practice round with him in the match play. And he is so funny. And I mean, such a good guy. he and teddy are just total goofballs i mean they're they're out there and they're like you know hey let's kind of cut this one you know let's see how much we can cut this you know three iron right here and you know it's like all right teddy up and down for a hot dog and it's just like they're totally you know screwing around but the part that's so fun is like i've met so many guys that are over 40 out here that have given me advice and have been so nice when they didn't have to,

and I think that's just part of the fraternity of the tour. I mean, I haven't, thankfully, no douches, lots of really, really cool guys, especially the older ones that have just been telling me funny stories, especially from back in the day. So did you notice on Sunday, you're probably busy, obviously, and we saw you get busy out there attacking pins, and we appreciate it from an entertainment standpoint. But on the grounds, there was a caveman-looking human just roaming around aimlessly.

He lost the group he was with because he tried to go get some sunscreen and for six hours he wasn't able to use his phone because you're not allowed to have your phone in there so he was lost just walking around did you sense that on the course at all that there was a potential ape on the loose was that was there any any thought like that no i was i was a little busy i I was trying to make sure that my pants didn't fall down or had my zipper up and all that. Smart. Smart.

Did you – yeah, this guy over here, I don't know if you had heard, Will. You've been a little bit busy. He went to the Masters on Sunday. He said he followed you around or whatever. He was following around people all day because his group just left him. I didn't know the Masters was a trip back in time so much. Like he said, no phones, no nothing. Is it just, is it much different feeling there than everywhere else?

It's obvious like it's the Super Bowl of golf? Yeah, because, you know, when you go to tournaments and you hear the guys, you know, screaming mashed potatoes or get all, you know, off of like a 550-yard par 5. Yeah, they're over-served. Guys have their phones and they're trying to make memories or whatever. I think it's hilarious.

It is what it is. But out there, you hear way more clapping than you do at every other tournament because people don't have their phones. Just the sounds of hearing more clapping immediately makes everything feel back in time and you know the no phone policy i mean there are a couple guys that i heard that tried to bring their phones in and they had them confiscated

and you know it's just it's just old school but when you're there as a player and not having your phone and just being able to appreciate everything, it's just – there's just nothing like it. Hey, so where do you go from here though? You're obviously in contention almost win the Masters. Does a regular tournament, are you worried it's going to be boring for you? Like it's not going to feel like the big stage? Is this the Masters or –

No, I mean – I mean, you know, it's like being a little tired after last week. But, hey, I'm playing with DJ and Billy Horschel this week, Thursday, Friday. Hey, Billy. Billy made a name for himself. Two shoeless golf moments for old Billy Horschel back-to-back down there. Yeah, so, I mean, that'll, you know, it's like, you know, get to go play the number one player in the world the week after the Masters. And it's like, yeah, you'd think it'd be a little mentally fried but hell still giving out

the same check they were all the other weeks and i'm still trying to get my pj tour card and make that fedex cup playoffs so let's go earn it all right well good luck we appreciate you joining us it was a lot of fun to watch you i understand middle of the season very busy time good luck this weekend rest of the season we appreciate the hell out of you will oh thanks brother thanks for having me hey no problem ladies and gentlemen will zlaterus so sorry to interrupt i want to let you know that we have recently been introduced into the cigar smoking community yeah aj smokes about 400 cigars a day on the show. Literally.

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Legend on the football field and in life, ladies and gentlemen, softball stud Jordy Nelson. Yeah! How you doing, pal? I'm doing good. How you guys doing? Thank you so much for joining us. We got a couple questions obviously about the weekend. Now, we can talk football, and we do appreciate your brain

in football and everything like that, and we can't thank you enough for your time here. past weekend was there ever a moment on Augusta there when AJ was just kind of lost that you thought to yourself like where did AJ go or were you just so locked into the Masters you didn't even realize it till about seven eight o'clock at night no I wonder where he went I was uh I still don't have the answer I guess but uh I waited at the driving range for him to come back. And then I finally gave up and said, I'm sitting at the Masters at a driving range right now.

I'm going to go start watching golf. I think you guys had already talked about it. There weren't very many people there. So I assumed we'd run into each other somehow. But come to find out, he sat at two holes that I never walked by. I walked 90% of the course, but not the 10% he was sitting at. Well, Jordy, I did

walk around a little bit. Did you follow? So we had Will on earlier. Pat can say his last name for you. The guy that got second place. Zalaterus. There you go. I followed him for a while. Were you guys near him at all on the back nine? I feel like I followed him for like six or seven holes. These guys want to gather to the Masters. Yeah.

Trying to figure out how we didn't run into each other. I watched his last part of it. We were sitting on Amen Corner when they turned and came down the back nine. So that's where I was sitting for the last part of it. I'd followed Gary Woodland to begin with because he's a Kansas kid. So I wanted to watch him play some golf. And then let's see here. Then I followed Bubba Watson for a little bit.

Being a lefty, I wanted to watch, you know, an incredible lefty play some golf. Me too, yeah. And then what else? Then I think when he got done, Spieth was coming up on nine. And then we jumped and watched Spieth birdie nine, birdie 10 uh kind of made a little bit of a run there but i was right there i was right there i was right there i was with speed at that moment we had to be we probably could have touched each other oh you guys got those masks though you can't

see each other no phones you don't even know jordy are you a that's a shame by the way that could have happened you guys could have maybe – I thought about just yelling, Jordy. He's the only guy named Jordy there. Well, you know, after Spieth hits, you yell, Jordy. You know, you could kind of blend in with Jordan. Yeah. And then maybe – that could have been a moment there.

Jordy, you big golf guy. Are you a big golf fan? How's your game? Pretty good? It's getting better. I probably play around bogey golf is what I try to shoot. So, some uh it's getting better um i probably might i probably play around bogey golf is what i try to shoot so um some days it's a little bit better some days it's a little bit worse you love golf though yeah i enjoy playing it yes it's uh i think it's the

endless challenge um i don't think you'll ever hit a you know play a perfect ground i think even listen to the guys on the tour um they'll shoot like 64 and be like, yeah, it could have been better. So it's just a challenge and a good time to be outside with some friends. Do you think your softball career helps or hurts your golf game? Because I've heard you're top five in the world in softball right now. I think it hurts the softball game – or it hurts the golf game. Are you – so I said you're top five softball player in the world, and you didn't even say anything.

Are you an elite, if you're in Jacksonville, I guess? Are you on the edge when it comes to softball? Are you that guy on the diamond out there? No, probably not. You love it, though. You play a lot? No, we don't play as much as we used to. We play in a lot of small-town tournaments, co-ed softball.

So me and my brother and our wives, my sister, and then some friends, just 10 of us go out there and play in some small-town tournaments that we kind of honestly grew up watching my parents play in. So it's kind of fun to go back to those small towns and play in the same tournaments that we were kids running around out in the outfield or outside the fence catching home run balls and stuff. AJ, correct me if I'm wrong. I saw a video of Jordy chasing down cows.

Yeah, Jordy, what was that? Can you explain it? And also, we plan on being there next year. Would like to be at that. Okay. Yeah, so my brother is obviously a rancher farmer and he's gotten into what they call ranch rodeos.

He's a cowboy? He's a real cowboy? He's a full-blown cowboy, isn't he? Yeah, he's a legit cowboy. He's got this type of hat or no? No, he doesn't wear that hat. Why not? He's not a cowboy then.

He's a, I don't know. Anyway, he doesn't wear a cowboy hat. He will when he does rodeo stuff, but if I were to go out to the farm right now, he's got a baseball cap. You better watch it. What he's saying is you're a fugazi. Oh. You're a fugazi.

I haven't seen his brother ever on the email chain for cowboys. So we chase cows? Are we going to do that next year or no? You're more than welcome. I'll let you know when. It's in August. I don't know exactly what weekend yet, but in August. Hey, last year I feel like you teased a potential comeback.

Are you still in shape? Are we playing for the Packers next year or what? The NFC Championship two years in a row. Maybe one or two more weapons, we get to the Super Bowl again. No, I'm not coming back. No, come on. Do it. Why not?

If he got the itch to maybe catch a few more TDs from Raj, he's playing pretty good right now. He is. He probably is last year at the Packers, too. I just sent AJ a video of what we were doing last night, so then I'd have to miss out on that stuff. Family? We burned about probably 600 acres of pasture last night until one o'clock in the morning

is it like you does the whole town come out for that i mean what is it a is it a festival to burn down 600 acres um there is probably 10 of us, a bunch of our friends come out. We're on four-wheelers and side-by-sides with water tanks in the back and dragging fire through the pasture and putting it out. Couldn't do that if you're playing for the Packers. No. Nah. I probably actually did do it while I was playing for the Packers. But, you know, it's off-season. But there's other things, though.

I'm happy with where I'm at. It's good to be back home. We finally got our house kind of complete and moved in. Congrats. You know, on to the next chapter. Hey, Jordy, I know you're dialed in still to everything going on in Green Bay, the front office. You're tight with all of them.

When are they going to get this deal done, like, and sign A-Rod to an extension? Yeah, it's like a 10-year deal. Jordy, out there in Kansas, are they reporting to you and then letting us know, or what? No. I don't know or what? No. I don't know what they're doing. Yeah, I can't answer any of those questions.

It's mind-blowing sometimes, especially, I mean, when he comes out and has an MVP year. And if they don't want to commit or do whatever they want to do to, I mean, I don't know, show appreciation or whatever it is for the next few years. It seems like it would be a pretty easy and simple move that I would say 100%, if not 99.9% of people would agree with. So I don't know where they can't be worried about a backlash or anything. The business side of the NFL is something, if you're in the NFL, obviously experience.

If you're in the NFL long enough, you experience it a lot more than everybody. And I think with the world we live in, and I got a chance to talk to Channing Crowder about this earlier, who he literally said, like, I was only in the NFL to make money. Like, that is the only reason why I was there. And some people will scoff at that because it's like no love of the game. But the NFL, they're only in the business to make money as well. Like, that's all they're doing as well.

The business side of it behind the scenes, and obviously you moved on from the Packers, that is something that you can't really fully understand until you're right in the middle of it, when you are the cow that is being auctioned or talked about. Well, you know, could sit on the shelf for a little bit longer, has a couple nicks here, it's not worth this. It is a fascinating business, to say the least.

It is, and I 100% agree with with what you said not only once you're in the business you notice it but the longer you're in it you notice it even more um not only as a player but even my wife experienced it as we were going through different things in green bay not even just being released at the end of my career just different contract negotiations and whatnot and i actually went in and sat with um the head contract negotiator with green bay when i did my last deal there just because i wanted to experience it i wanted to hear um exactly what they were saying and not from my agent because no matter what they said to him it was going to be portrayed to me in a different manner no how no matter how he tried to say it it's it's better

to hear it straight from them so uh horse's mouth cowboy yeah it Yeah. It's interesting, though. It's very mind-blowing sometimes, but I guess it's their business. It's Pawn Stars, but with humans involved. Ty, what do you have? Jordy, have you been able to play as much softball as late? Like, are things opened up? You got tournaments every weekend, or are you just taking swings uh out back by the barn as kansas opened up are we back did we beat covet over there in kansas um kansas is opening up but the benefit

of living in rural america um it never really shut down so oh yeah when you're burning 600 acres baseball all summer we played slowitch softball all summer. Not much really changed for us during the summertime. Our kids have been in school all year, starting in August. Haven't missed a day. So that's the benefit of living out here in the country, and we took advantage of it. Let's make sure we write that down in the history books for later. Those who live in isolation, pretty good spot when pandemic hits.

You know what I mean? Just living out in isolation out there you gotta know where yeah because it's hard to get you know covet i don't maybe we'll find out later that it does have its own private plane and it can true places without the human human thing but that does seem like quite an upside to live out in middle of nowhere in kansas what do you have there nick uh geordie i just want to say you have a really magnificent head of hair right now uh when you played you always had this like tight crop buzz cut is it because like aj and clay were like we have to have the best hair on team you can't do that you gotta cut your hand aaron uh-huh yeah yeah you get kind of threatened when you walk in the locker room and you see those guys um so you kind of keep it clean, cut and short. I was very low maintenance when I played and didn't want to deal with it.

We had a cold spell here in Kansas when like Texas locked down with all the freezing. We were negative 15 degree temperatures. So I let my hair grow out a little bit and then we're like, well, there's no better time now to try out my first hairdo at the age of 35. So I went and got it done a little bit. But Jordy, you are such an interesting guy, so good at football. Just the way you've – did you know that two-thirds of guys experience noticeable hair loss by the age of 35, which is what you just said?

That's very, very interesting that happened. What do you think, Connor? Yeah, Jordy, you've known AJ a long time. You know, he smokes 80 cigars a day. He has a bunch of kids He drives with two feet He's from Ohio He's antisocial

He will leave people whenever you don't have a phone He'll go to the Masters alone So my question for you is Is AJ Hawk the fucking weirdest guy you've ever met? Or is he just kind of another run of the mill guy? Not because he wants to be alone But sometimes his mind goes in different directions that some people can't comprehend.

And I don't know if all that's been portrayed on this show, but I just, one of the best things about knowing him and Aaron and watching this show is all the little behind the back door, like little puns or jokes that AJ tried to like jabs that he takes at Aaron that I'm pretty sure no one else knows unless you've been around the two of them for the last 15 years, which makes it even more comical

because you can see it on AJ's face when he says it, and you can see it on Aaron's face when he tries to answer the question. They both are on the same page, and no one else knows what's going on. Well, that's really good for a show that's being watched by a lot of people that potentially weren't with either of them for the last 15 years. Yeah, that time he just put his hands up at the camera and Aaron just shook his head and we had no idea what the hell they were talking about. AJ also tried to start a Ryan Phillippe thing. I mean, it was an entire...

When Aaron put his hands up, Jordy will know, I was referencing his hairy knuckles and hairy hands. I always make fun of him for it. Well, listen, he's a man. Hey, do you watch Jeopardy? You a Jeopardy watcher? He is crushing it. And by the way, he's getting these last couple games have been his absolute best performances.

To be honest, I have not watched any of his episodes yet. We were on vacation for the last 10 days and got back last night. And like I said, Ben burned past you. So I do need to figure out how to catch up on all his episodes. But I talked to him before his shows came, I guess, live or showed up on TV after he did the tapings and everything. He was super excited about it. Shocking to nobody is he said he sat there in the hotel

and watched Jeopardy all day long to try to figure out how Alex Trebek read the questions and transitioned into the next thing. He did a full-blown film study, listened to the tone of his voice and everything. So, I mean, not shocking to me at all that he did that. But, yeah, I look forward to somehow re-watching him online or something. Are you a normal Jeopardy watcher? No. If I do, I get like one question right, maybe, if I'm lucky, so it's not really that enticing

to watch. I know whenever you're bailing hay and stuff, it's tough to watch Jeopardy! every single night because, you know, the sun is still up, so what are we doing? Are we working or not? I am a Jeopardy! watcher, though, and all the other guest hosts, you could tell that they were probably told, like,

hey, don't try to be like Trebek. Kind of put your own spin on it or whatever. And they kind of seemed a bit clunky or whatever. Aaron went in there and was like, we have a blueprint for who's the best host of this show of all time. I'm going to go ahead and be this guy and still put my own spin on it. He has been the most smooth host of this whole thing. Now, he said he wouldn't retire to do it, at least yet or whatever. So, I don't know how they're going to figure that out.

But I hope he gets the gig full-time somehow. Yeah, that would be pretty cool. I think that would be something that I would see he would really enjoy doing. And it would be kind of crazy to see. That would be one heck of a transition from football to Jeopardy host. Jordan, do you watch movies or anything? Or are you just out there in the farm all day? I don't watch much for movies.

If I'm watching something, it's probably either football or college basketball or golf, and that's about it. For the most part, we're outside doing something. Do you know Carson Wentz? Yes. You guys might be the same people.

I'm not 100%. I've never met somebody. Listen, I played at West Virginia. I know a lot of farmers. Okay, I got a chance to meet a lot of farmers. Got a chance to go experience the farm life and everything like that. But I feel like, Jordy, and I've only got a chance to chat with you a couple times here when you so graciously give us your time out in the middle of the day

when you could be, you know, potentially feeding the chickens or whatever the hell's going on out there. middle of the day when you could be, you know, potentially feeding the chickens or whatever the hell's going on out there. It feels like you are very okay with being completely, like, distant from everything. Were you always like that, like, as a player? And how do you know what's going on out there? Or was it just like you didn't really care? It didn't matter because it was just kind of out of your world?

No, we're very comfortable being back here in Kansas. Like in the middle of nowhere, some people would say, we don't need the big city, we don't need the fancy food or restaurants or hotels or anything. I don't know, I like the simple life. So it definitely fits us well. When I got into the NFL, it was a little bit different for me. A lot of, I don't know if you remember this or not, but one of our trainers always jokes that the first couple years

I would never talk. And I was super quiet and just kind of kept to myself and everything until I get more and more comfortable with you. So it's just, I don't know. When you're born and raised out here, this is kind of where you want to be. And then obviously I have three kids, and I don't want them to grow up to be spoiled brats, so they got to work. Put them on a farm, dude.

Hell, yeah. Hey, go tackle some cows and tie them up. Okay, we need to get on that horse. You're a good horse rider, huh? You're very good on the back of a horse? I wouldn't say very good. I can manage it. I can rope a little bit.

I can be productive, but definitely not a pro about it. Are you going to get on one when you come out here, or are you going to be a little nervous? No chance of me getting on a horse. AJ got on one. We got a great picture. I helped him out. Yeah, Jordy, we should show you this picture, Pat.

I was on a horse a couple years ago, and Jordy had the lead and was leading me because I couldn't ride it by myself. That's what I'm saying. You can't trust these things, okay? These big-ass dogs, okay, they've got the power to do whatever the hell they want girl in our high school got paralyzed from a horse because somebody honked on the way by i'm like well i know what i'm never doing and it's that particular thing the fact yeah people just hop on yeah digs is related people hop on the back of wild horses do you do that out there not wild

horses these are trained horses i got four nieces that all ride horses they do little rodeos and they're 10 and under oh what are you saying okay i don't listen relax okay i heard what you challenge yeah i just heard you there okay maybe a bull i'll get on a bull. Why would you get on a bull rather than a horse? That makes zero sense. Let me tell you why. Okay, because a horse, the expected outcome is a positive one. You know, so if I get up there and something bad happens, it's like, look at this guy. Can't even ride a horse.

I got four nieces who's less than 10 years old. You hop on a bull, everybody knows it's ending bad. Everybody knows it's ending bad. So I know it's ending bad. Everybody knows it's ending bad everybody knows it's in a bad so i know it's ending bad everybody knows it's ending bad there's no real expectation there's no like i'm not going to be able to sleep because of how bad i was on the horse when there's 10 year old nieces of jordy nelson they're able to hop everything with the bull i'm just going in there and i'm trying to get eight seconds you know so i can get that belt buckle out there you know what i'm talking about yeah i mean that actually somewhat makes sense. You're just playing. Everything's going to be a positive coming out of that.

No negative there. Bingo. Unless I, you know. Yeah, unless you're dead. Okay. I mean, that's the negative that can come out of it. I mean, yeah. Risk-reward, what do you want?

It just depends on how you look at it. Is there, like, chill bulls, or are they all pretty pissed off? We could get you on a chill one. We can make it look real scary. So people do bull ride out where you're from, yeah? Do what? There's bull riding out where you're from on a regular basis. That's like something the boys do.

Like, hey, want to go shoot hoops? Nah, we'll go ride a bull. Let's go bull ride. No. No. What do you mean? You go to a rodeo to ride a bull. You don't just hop on a bull for fun.

How do they practice? Probably on some machine. Oh, see, I'm big anti those machine things. I am, too. That's not realistic at all. So you've rode a bull? No, but I just tell, like, they control it. Yeah, it's a creepy guy.

They do a good job of, like, slowly, you know, guiding you in there. Yeah. Making you feel good. And then they could dump you in two seconds. Getting the rocks off while I'm doing it. Yeah, some weird drunk guy in the corner. Yeah, wait till you see what I'm doing. This is cool.

Bang, right in the face to the back of the bowl. Jordy, thank you for your time, man. I can't thank you enough for joining us. You're the best, dude. So I got you. You guys bringing your own team for the rodeo, or are you on my team? Well, I feel like I would be quite— We need to be on your team.

No, no, no, AJ. We do not want to be on his team. What is your team? Hey, bro, Jordy's the fastest guy within, like, 150 miles of that area. Yes, we need him on our team. Probably far enough. I would assume it's less than 1,000 miles. Yeah, easily the state probably.

So what do we do? We'd be on a team. We'd wear the same uniforms. We'd just chase down cows. What are we doing? So what I sent AJ the video of, so there's three people on a team. Last year, it was me, a buddy, and my niece. And then they put, like, say, ten steers with lead ropes on them,

halters and ropes on them. You have to run down. He doesn't know. What does that mean? The cowboy just said uh-huh there so he could be documented on the record as saying uh-huh. What does that mean? What did you just say there? The steer?

Spears? Steers. Oh boy, this is going to get AJ all on the wrong side here. So a steer is a bull without nuts. What happened? You get rid of the nuts so they can't breed cows. Oh, so spayed or neutered. Your dog's Bob Barker has been saying it a long time.

So we got a nutless bull, okay, who's been spayed or neutered. How many of them? Depending on how many teams are in there, there's probably about ten of them running around in the pen. And we're trying to run and jump on their backs you grab the lead rope that so they have a halter like on their face and then a rope that comes off so like you could actually lead them around if they were really tame and then you have to catch one and walk it to a circle and you before you get in the circle though one of your teammates has to be on the back of the bull or the steer okay so that would be me you guys will catch i'll do the fly jump on the back night and i'll just hold on i mean yeah if you want

he didn't watch the video obviously jordy no i i can tell what do you mean i watched i seen a bunch of people run a bunch of cows moving. What are we talking about? What did I see? Is that the person that gets? You just have, yeah. We'll explain it when you get here. You'll see it. We'll watch the film before we go.

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