The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 408 - Knee Deep In The Aaron Rodgers Situation, Daniel Jeremiah, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about everything now coming out in the Aaron Rodgers situation, what it means moving forward, who is leaking all this stuff, what it means for the Packers, for the NFL as a whole, and they chat about everything else happening around the NFL. Next, former NFL scout and current analyst for the NFL Network, fresh off correctly guessing 128 of the top 150 players in the NFL Draft, friend of the program, Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to chat about his thoughts post NFL Draft, what surprised him the most, what he liked, plus he touches on the Aaron Rodgers situation and why he'd try to keep Aaron Rodgers at all costs (26:03-43:00). Later, Pat and the Insider's Insider, AJ Hawk chat more about the Aaron Rodgers situation, if AJ has heard anything new, AJ's combine performance, the current points of contention between the NFL and NFLPA, and everything else going on in the sports world (43:02-1:32:25). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello! It is Wednesday, May 5th, 2021. Now, we've gotten conflicting reports on whether or not we should say Happy Cinco de Mayo. So, if we're supposed to say it and it's not fucked up and it's not just a commercial scam, Happy Cinco de Mayo! Hope you have a great Cinco de Mayo! Yeah! I'm excited! And if we're not supposed to say it, if it is just one big scam and not a real thing, it's whatever. Okay, well, just happy May 5th. Okay, hope you guys have a great day.

I think we got a good show for you, good conversation. I think you're going to enjoy it. If you do, by the end of this thing, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened, right? Yeah, keep it moving. Two ships in a night sailing across each other. Bah, bah, bah, bah. We're moving.

We're not moving. Where are you? Can't see you. Who cares? We hate you. I hate you. We hate us. Who cares? moving. Where are you? Can't see you. Who cares? We hate you. I hate you. We hate us. Who cares?

Let's go. That's what we would like. If you like the show, though, please tell somebody about it. That'd be cool. Let's get to it, Ty. I appreciate you all so much. Let's go. It's a big show today.

Why? Because it's today's show. Yeah! Obviously, there is not a lot happening outside of what we've covered yesterday. There are some more news. There's an injury that has happened to the Denver Broncos that has kind of rattled potentially the NFLPA, the players, the union, the NFL, and everything with who's going to have to cover this surgery

for a torn Achilles. This has always been a rule in the NFL. If you're doing something away from the facility, they don't have to cover it. It's been an asterisk in every single contract that i ever saw and it was always an interesting way for them to basically cover their ass and it always seemed to be in a part of a contract that you kind of look over and they go here's a couple things they're just kind of standard nfl stuff if you get hurt away from

here uh the insurance doesn't have to cover it or anything like that that's why whenever the lockout happened and we all had to get cobra insurance which was wildly overpriced i mean they knew they had us they knew we had to get it was wildly overpriced i went and jumped out of a plane uh i went and tried to uh swim with sharks yeah i tried to do everything that could potentially really fuck me up because i knew i at least being covered insurance wise because when you're in the nfl if you get hurt doing anything away from the facility, now this is football related, which you would think would be team related. And I always wondered how this would pan out, but the NFL has always had in their back pocket and ability to say, not fuck you. It wasn't here. We're not paying for it. So that'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Will the Denver Broncos

cover it? Even though probably legally, they'll be able to say they don't have to. We would assume they do so because if not, that'd be bad business. And why would we want to do bad business in 2021 in a league that is profiting more than it ever has been in the past with new deals being restructured by the minute? Amazon's three years away. They're two years away. Now they're one year away. There's potential Apple coming in, Netflix, Google.

The amount of money is never-ending. Why would you potentially want to do bad business, especially with a player? Maybe because you can, but let's hope they don't, even though legally they probably could get away with not paying it. Now, the other big story that people are talking about in the NFL is one that we are pretty associated with. Yeah, you're drenched in almost, you could say. The Aaron Rodgers saga with the Green Bay Packers.

What's going to happen? We have no idea. We do not have, although we do technically have A.J. Hawk, who's an insider to the insiders on this particular situation, I have not had direct contact with Aaron Rodgers, and this is a rather large deal with me because if people talk to me, they know, okay, it's coming. All right?

Like, okay, so I try to save my relationships with people. Like when Vinny was potentially either going to retire or sign with another team or kick or whatever, I would talk to him and I was literally like, don't tell me anything that you don't want out because as soon as it gets in here, it's going to go out. So I protected myself so Aaron doesn't hate me. But anybody that is out there spewing the fact that they think this leak came from Aaron Rodgers I think we immediately have to question their credibility going forward honestly and I know I know that that sounds a bit harsh and there's been

a lot of very uh successful and accomplished people in the media world that have been saying that they think Aaron was the leak for this thing now Now, I've not been told by Aaron that he was not the leak, but from following along with this entire thing, this is very evidently not Aaron Rodgers' team leaking this information. Day of draft after free agency has already happened where teams who were looking for quarterbacks were spending hundreds of millions of dollars in one day why would Aaron Rodgers want to steal the draft like everybody said the attention away from all the draftees that just doesn't make any sense now people will say because he wanted to get moved on draft night maybe but wouldn't you release it a little bit before then if you want to do that so you can build up some

time for more speculation and more people to call and then if you read the actual report that Schefter wrote put out at.19 p.m. Eastern Standard Time Thursday via an article, I think, after an appearance on NFL Live, the article is very clearly written by a pro Packers source. Now, people can say all they want about Aaron Rodgers. I don't know how you feel about him. We've gotten a chance to learn a lot about him. He's been cool with us, been nice to us.

It's been nice to see his brain on display, sometimes for 55 minutes to an hour on a Tuesday in the middle of the season where I think we would have found out if he was just a, you know, like what everybody's calling him right now, a prima donna, a super diva, a prick, an asshole, all these things. I don't think I saw that out of him at all. It might be the case where this is all one big cerebral move. But if you read the article that Schefter wrote in the blog, it basically is from the point of view of somebody who's trying to make their fans feel

as if we have done everything we can. This is his fucking fault. Now, I know that sounds crazy to think that the team is potentially trying to write a narrative in their favor whenever they think something's potentially going to go. Now, I would look at that and say, of course that's happening, but that's because I was in the NFL. I was seeing the things that were being reported. I was seeing the things that were actually happening. And I'm not saying that's a benefit of mine and that I haven't been in the media world this entire time where really you can't bite the hand that feeds you too but also the information that gets you could be big so the fact that people use the media to set a narrative and teams potentially do this and if they're your favorite team they've been potentially doing this for a long long time and you didn't know the all the ins and outs i like to think of our show as

somebody who goes you know let's see who's pitching it whether it's a player or Who's trying to get that information out there? Why are they trying to get that information out there? In this particular case, it's very easy. Aaron and his people were fed up with what was going on in Green Bay. This is my thoughts. This is not Aaron telling me this. This is not AJ telling me this. This is me reading the situation. After seeing what happened in Tampa Bay with Tom Brady, I feel like that was potentially one of the tips of the iceberg where a guy leaves a place that he was at for a long time, very accomplished, but obviously there was some rocky, choppy waters at the end. He goes to a franchise that was struggling at the time, wins a Super Bowl, gets heralded as a hero,

and he's going to an organization that is putting all the pieces around him for him to win. This happened with Peyton in Denver. I'd assume this is potentially also what happened with Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll in Seattle. You see what's going on in Tampa. You see what's going on in Kansas City. You see these other teams that are going all in to win right now. And if you're a Mount Rushmore quarterback or have dreams or hopes of being the greatest quarterback of all time you could potentially see how that's happening in other places and also stack that on top of a bunch of other shit whether it was a lack of communication allegedly for the Kumro cut

then there's other things that are allegedly coming out now that happen about a basic like disrespectful relationship which is not how it goes in the NFL, by the way. The quarterback needs to be a part of the thing. Now, I'm not saying every quarterback deserves that. I think you have to earn that responsibility. I think when you're in the NFL and you're a quarterback, you're automatically a leader of an organization. You're one of the head coaches, like the CEO. They got to put the whole schedule together, but the quarterback might as well be the president of the team. That's just how it's going to go. How they go, we go. What they need, we need. How we get them to play their best is how we get our team to play the best. And you would hope it would be a nice business partnership, but it sounds like things that happen in other

places with other quarterbacks of Aaron Rodgers' stature is not happening at Green Bay. And it's been obvious as a fan of the Green Bay Packers for one year that that is evident from looking from the outside in. Will Fuller was potentially available for trade. Matt LaFleur comes out and says, love him. Aaron says, hey, I love him. I would assume inside conversations are happening like, hey, you look at Tampa, you look at Kansas City, you look at these other places,

they have a plethora of weapons our offense is awesome but why not add one more weapon potentially to go past the NFC championship LeFleur came out and said he was for it and then all of a sudden that gets shut down then obviously with the Jordan Love draft pick which it isn't Jordan Love it's just that is planning for three years down the road as opposed to right fucking now I just think when all these things start stacking up and you see what happens somewhere else you could potentially get frustrated and anybody that thinks he was the one that once that information leaked i think is an idiot green bay saves themselves a lot from the fan side saying hey look we tried we tried we tried we tried we threw hey

three planes we flew out there each individual trip the way they laid it out there it was like okay they're trying to settle up here i have have no idea how it ends. We'll have insider to the insiders, AJ Hawk, joining us in the second hour. We'll see if he has talked to Heron anymore, if he's heard anything. It is fascinating to watch this whole thing happen because we're in a time where nothing is happening. So it is going to dominate

the conversation. At Boston Corner, Ty Schmidt is here. The boys are in the back. Appreciate the hell out of you. Foxy, great work on tonight's vlog. Foxy. Thank you. Boy. I've been getting attacked, though, by people.

People have been telling me that I believe exact words were, stop slurping, Rogers, is what I've been told. Slurping. Yeah, they said I do that whole thing. I'm not slurping, okay, anybody. What I'm telling you is there was a reason that that got leaked on that day by who it got leaked and if if schrager came on yesterday and he's in the insider game or whatever so he said maybe it's a spiteful agent maybe it's another team that

leaked this information maybe it was somebody else that was involved uh but it doesn't make sense to be i can't believe people are actually like, this is Aaron that did this. He wanted this attention. He's a diva. He's trying to steal the draft weekend. He's trying to cause problems. He's all this shit. It's like, how is anybody thinking that at this point?

And maybe it isn't the Packers, but it's very evident that it's not Aaron doing this. This is not what Aaron wants at all, I don't think. No, for sure. I mean, maybe I'm being naive just because, you know. No, no, no. Maybe Aaron does want out, but he doesn't want this thing to be a public fucking spectacle. Right, exactly. But, yeah, I mean, to your point, like, we had him on the show.

He had ample opportunities. He definitely said stuff like, you know, alluding to this stuff all season long when he would ask about it. It's not like he was really dodging it on the show. Like, he was pretty forthcoming with it. And then we didn't hear anything we kind of heard from his point of view like what you know he wanted to be in green bay for the rest of his career and all that kind of stuff and then nothing happens and then all of a sudden one day it's like hey they've done every you know they offered him an extension they've done everything they're they're willing to defer

to him on personnel decisions it's like we haven't heard any of that stuff and then now you know like when it comes out that he's pissed off, it's like, hey, listen, we've done everything we can. You know, the ball's in his court. It's just it doesn't really add up. Yeah, it's fascinating, especially because it is Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre has come out and said, hey, he gets a grudge. It's a grudge now.

He ain't budging. I texted him. Brett Favre said I texted him. By the way, Brett, everything he says gets clipped. Yeah, thank God we got his two cents. Yeah, Favre knows how to throw gasoline By the way, Brett, everything he says gets clipped. Yeah, thank God we got his two cents. Yeah, Favre knows how to throw gasoline on a situation, no question about it. No, to be fair, though, if all these people were calling Brett for interviews, about everything, by the way.

Oh, yeah. Brett's doing sit-downs with everybody. Everything he says gets clipped. Yeah. Brett has to see that whenever he's at his house. He's like, I'm down here in the sip. I'm just, I say a couple lines, look at me fucking i'm trending again i still got it am i trending again yeah he is trending every other day it feels like at this point but brett farve comes out and says

hey i texted aaron i said hey i'm gonna see you with the saints down here just joking he said just joking and then rogers replied hey buddy i don't believe that's gonna happen thanks for checking on me i'll touch base with you after this is all over Alright Brett, I'll talk to you man I appreciate you, I think their relationship is much better now Than it was way back then We got to see it up close and personal But I do like the fact that Aaron was like

Okay Brett, alright listen I don't have a clue what's going on right now I don't need you to potentially Well that's not going to stop Brett Because he's doing a radio hit today And I'm seeing that everywhere, getting clipped by saying one thing like, he's pissed off, he's not coming back, and then just immediately saying, I hope he stays in Green Bay.

Life's too short. It's like, Jesus Christ, Brett, just shut up. Are you talking about two polar opposite people there, though? I mean, Brett and Aaron? Oh, yeah. Okay, and that is a beautiful depiction of the NFL, by the way. Same position, same team team both incredibly successful one very different than the other very very very different couldn't be more opposite now if if you're a packers fan i can understand how you can get

mad at aaron by the way it feels like people are getting mad at aaron because that is why the packers put not maybe not the packers by the the way, even though in the Schefter article, it says clear league and team sources have told us. So listen, that's the first sentence. Everybody's talking about this goddamn leak happening. And they're saying it's Aaron Rodgers. The person who had the leak is Adam Schefter in his article. In the first fucking sentence, it says, according to league and team sources. So it's like, all right, who's the only person that was not said according to in this entire thing?

Reigning MVP Aaron Rodgers is so disgruntled with the Green Bay Packers that he has told some within the organization that he does not want to return to team. League and team sources told ESPN on Thursday. Now there's an entire narrative. Aaron did this. Aaron did that. Literally the first fucking sentence of the leaked article, the article about the leak, it says this is from league and team sources.

And if you read that article, by the way, it's very apparent that is the case. Now, I know you maybe never thought of it that way. Like, I know maybe, and I don't want to say our show has introduced this, but I feel like we hammer it home very heavily. Like every piece of information that gets out, there is a reason.

You know why there's a reason? Because this is a business and every business person is trying to get the edge on another business person. That is what it is. I know it's a game. I know a kid's game for a king's ransom. Like I very much understand that.

But the business, Green Bay, PR wise, potentially trying to get out there that they've done everything they can, trying to make Aaron look like an asshole in this situation, which, by the way, according to league and team sources, which is what that article basically laid out like interesting because it feels like somehow that has come out people have bought in exactly to what was being laid out there that the Packers did try their best which by the way after reading that article I was like okay so they are at least trying to put a band-aid on they're trying their best to do that I did not expect that out of that whole thing but then anybody that thinks like oh this is Aaron who's one of the most intelligent persons of all time and you hate him because you think he's cerebral and manipulative and all this shit well why would he put out something that would make the other side look bad and make it like that is just by all accounts anybody that thinks he was the leaker is is an

idiot and you you actually have to worry about whether or not they should be taken seriously whenever they talk about things i'm not talking about random people on twitter or fans or anything like that i'm just talking about people in the media game who know the media game, people that are coming out and say that. That's a very fascinating take for me. It's even crazy just looking back a year ago. With Brady, Patriots fans were so mad at him just because it's like, oh, dude, re-sign, you're getting all this money, why wouldn't you stay?

And then a year later after everything that comes out, it's like, okay, there was much, there were many more layers to this story. And obviously with Aaron and the Packers, this is just the beginning. And I'm sure there's going to be a lot of other things that come out where it's like, oh, okay, so Aaron actually was trying to stay and all this other shit was going on. And the fascinating thing about the Patriots situation with Tom Brady just happening and Tom Brady going to a place, getting celebrated, getting full support, winning a Super Bowl, the whole thing, the whole city being turned around.

By the way, Fanatic saying 101 or 220, whatever it is. 1,200. 1,200, yeah, year-over-year percent increase or whatever. So, like, everything good happened there. Patriots fans now, a year later, still, hey, that's our guy Tom down there. But they have a head coach and a GM and an owner that just spent all the money. They're like, we ain't losing again for the Packers. Will that same type

of thing happen if Aaron moves on like that's that's what I think a lot of Packers fans are potentially staring down to which might be why a lot of the anger is coming and maybe another quarterback whether it's Jordan Love or somebody else is unbelievable or maybe it's quarterback that gets traded in and the Packers pick up right where they left off obviously that'd be dream scenario for Packers fans but there's a chance that that team stinks, right? Oh, yeah. I mean, I was on a team that went completely undefeated until we chose to lose.

I think we won the division the next year again, lost in the playoffs. And then we almost went completely defeated when Peyton wasn't there. Same roster, good roster. Peyton wasn't there, almost go completely defeated. Everybody's fired. Andrew Luck's on the team.

Everything turns around there. But there's a chance that that that could happen if you're a packers fan you have to stare down that potential inevitability right now if brett farve is right when he says when he builds a grudge he ain't budging which is what brett said well and also you know like we've talked about it time and time again like where not having an owner is a detriment to the Packers. One million percent, by the way. Exactly, and if you don't have, you know, what, 30 years of two back-to-back Hall of Fame quarterbacks, like how are you going to get people to come there? You're not going to be able to do things like the way you've just always done them.

Like things are going to change drastically. Imagine with Jim Irsay, you know, Payton, then Andrew, then Andrew retiring out of nowhere and then going through Phil Rivers now and now Carson and Jim seeing what has happened before in the past him having aaron as a quarterback okay and aaron in the front office aren't getting along now it's getting public imagine jim hopping on his 757 getting them both in the fucking plane listen put your phones out let's go this is we're going to handle this right now is mark murphy the guy that's supposed to do that is that how that's supposed to allegedly like who's the how that's supposed to work?

Allegedly. Like, who's the person that does that? Because there has to be somebody, right, who whenever there's people getting out, I don't want to say out of sorts or out of pocket or whatever with each other, there has to be somebody that goes like, hey, listen, this ain't how we fucking do this shit. There, I mean, is it the fans? Because it feels like the fans are kind of rallying behind that. Who is the, like, who's in charge of charge of accountability over there yeah I don't know I

mean like I don't want to say there's like a vacuum for power at the top but I mean that's the only place in the NFL where you can do that where you know you don't have to be a billionaire and you can run an NFL franchise remember Kraft had Bill and Tom over to living room yeah he was like playing mediator I have said this a of different times now about not having an owner with the Packers. And I have to say to Packers fans listening and other NFL fans listening or whatever, I've only been a Packers fan for one year. Okay.

So as a Packers fan. Big fan. Massive fan. Yeah. I watch every single game, every single play, interviews. Took notes. I took notes during this shit. Yeah. Like I was a big packers fan there was numerous things that popped up through the season and ideas and things like that where i thought to myself oh they don't have a note like you have to

have an owner you have to have somebody at the table you have to have somebody at the table the green bay packers uh legacy is huge obviously very long all the way back to curly lambo okay i mean i mean i understand that the legacy is huge. It's one of the most historic franchises of all time, which is insane to think that they don't have somebody at the seat of the table or a seat at the table to, you know, make decisions about who gets what, how things operate, who can do what. I think Mark Murphy probably sits there,

but I would assume everybody looks at him and is like, okay, Mark, cool. Hey, when we need your opinion, we will certainly ask. But with that being said, we're going to go ahead and take our billion-dollar pens, and we're all going to write things around here. Like, I just feel like that's a big deal. And it is a much bigger – I don't know how, if you're a Green Bay Packers fan, you've been able to just kind of sit back and be like, this is awesome. Because I respect and appreciate people that are like, this is what the game's all about. It's the fans love the team and everything like this is awesome because i respect and appreciate people that are like this is what the game's all about it's the fans love the team and everything like that but man there are so many

situations where i mean look at the fucking arizona cardinals owner that guy hopped on a plane flew to jj watt in a log cabin and said hey here's 30 fucking million dollars we're changing everything around you're coming back ty hilton too remember he told us ursa is the reason they got the deal done yeah it's like i feel like that type of thing is very important. Now, the Packers have been unbelievable, okay? The Packers have been unbelievable without that. It's amazing to think about. But, Ty, as you shake your head, you're like,

there's a chance, though, that that could change if you don't have a – Yeah, you don't worry about that because you had Brett Favre and then you had Aaron Rodgers. So, like, it was kind of just like, hey, you know, like, it's not great, but we still got the fucking guy. I mean, and to your So, like, it was kind of just like, hey, you know, like, it's not great, but we still got the fucking guy. I mean, and to your point, like, Jordan Love could be incredible. Whoever comes in next could be incredible. But, like, you know, there are no guarantees in this league. And if they lose him, oh, boy, yeah, they could stink for a long time.

All right, let's move on to something else that is captivating the NFL world. Tim Tebow is going to be a good title. Yeah! Come on, Timmy! going to be a good title. Yeah! Come on, Timmy! Hey, Tim's going. That's what Tim's doing. Oh, yeah. You know, Tim used to, you know,

Tim used to do the full. Now he's stick, bang, pow, run people over, touchdown, I'm Tim Tebow. Urban Meyer said on a podcast with the Bleacher Report Gridiron draft show uh tony khan i'm sorry said uh he's tony khan's jaguars exec uh-huh founder of uh a dub yeah that's right and feels like uh starting to do a lot more media okay he's starting to do a lot more media getting out maybe becoming one of the maybe maybe shod's gonna pass the Jaguars off potentially at some point,

or maybe it's just Shod's thing. I'm not sure. But the Kahn family down there. Urban Meyer really believes. Okay? Not just a little bit of beliefs. Not a some beliefs. We're talking really believes Tim Tebow can help the Jaguars as a tight end.

Huh? Yeah. Me too. Me too, Urban. I think that too. You get him in that locker room, are you kidding me with Trevor Lawrence?

Fellas, guys, look at this opportunity. Come on. There's going to be 300 people in the three pools in this stadium here all day. They're going to be having the time of their lives.

Guess what we're going to do? We're going to play football. We're going to play. I want Tim Tebow in my locker room. Oh, yeah. I don't care if he's a tight end. I don't care if he's

a goddamn coach. I don't care if he's the FCA guy, which is the Fellowship of Christian Athlete. I want Tim Tebow in my locker room. Oh, yeah. I don't care if he's a tight end. I don't care if he's a goddamn coach. I don't care if he's the FCA guy, which is the Fellowship of Christian Athlete. I want Tim Tebow in my building. And that's what Urban Meyer, who lives on the edge. Okay, he's not elite. He lives on the edge. That is what he's saying as well. Get Tim Tebow in here.

If he wants to be a tight end, fuck it. Put some pads on him. That's what Urban Meyer's thinking. I do want to see him bounce back and see what it's like, you know, taking a little contact, running across the middle, maybe having a guy like Devin White. New NFL. New NFL.

Nobody's going to hit Tim Tebow either. No, welcome back to the league, Tim. Welcome back to the league. You're thinking Darius Leonard potentially. Yeah, exactly. You know what? I think I'm going to try to take Tebow's head off on this play just to reintroduce him to the league.

No, nobody will do that to Tebow. I think every linebacker is just licking their lips. No. God, please, Tebow, come right for me. You are out of your mind. Can you imagine a jet sweep pass to Tim Tebow? Are you kidding me? Look at that monster, dude.

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Incredibly knowledgeable man when it came to the draft, but also covers the NFL in beautiful fashion. He does the commentating for the Chargers home games for them. He also has a podcast called The Aftermath that goes out on Mondays of every single season. He can be found on social media, at MoveTheSticks. And whenever you watch the NFL Network draft analysis, it was a guy on there that was showcasing a brain.

So much so that out of the top 150 draft picks, he had 128 of them going. Wow. 128 out of the top 150 hit. Ladies and gentlemen, former Scott in the NFL, now media mogul. Ladies and gentlemen, former Scott in the NFL, now media mogul, ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. Yeah, Danny!

How you doing, pal? I'm good. This is my vacation. I don't fish, but it's my going fishing look that I've got here. Is this your house? Yeah, but it's a fake brick. It's just wood. Oh, look at how Daniel Jeremiah does.

Wow. Hey, we've been moving a lot of sticks. Hey. Move the sticks. Move the commas. Good. Hey. Hey.

That's an NFL Network special. They came out here and set this whole thing up. Ironically, people interpret the gears behind me as either like i'm a car junkie and i don't know how to change a flat tire or they're like are you a big movie guy and i'm like i i stopped you know really knowing about movies probably like late 90s so yeah yeah you're football studs just like us it is kind of a shame to learn that that's a set because we're about to go i mean we're going crazy over that thing it's's absolutely beautiful. Thank you for joining us. I just mentioned it in the intro, and I don't know where you jumped on in the intro. I had to extend an intro because we didn't have you on at the exact time.

But 128 out of the top 150. Congratulations on that. There's a lot of talk about draft analysis and expertise and everything like that. Is this normal for you? Or do you think this draft was a little bit different than regular? Could you predict what was going to happen? You felt like you had a pretty good grasp on it? Yeah, I mean, it was up a little bit.

That percentage was up a little bit from last year. But in some ways, Pat, because we had no combine and because medicals were a little bit limited, and it was just such a weird year that you could kind of figure out, it was a little bit easier to figure out who those top guys were going to be. You know, we're talking about second, third round guys, because if you you know, if you went to the senior bowl, if you played in the SEC and played a full season, those guys were just safer and kind of a weird year. So you it was easier to slot those guys versus maybe somebody that, you know, I played a couple of games or, you know, didn't play in any All-Star games. It was a different year.

Did you know Trey Lance was going to the Niners? Oh, yeah, you and I talked about it. We talked, yeah. You and I. So, true story. I had, right when it happened, right when the trade happened with San Francisco going up, my immediate reaction was, okay, yeah, no, this is Trey Lance. It's coming on the heels of his pro day. It makes the most sense. And then all my phone blew up, and it's like, no, no, no, this is Trey Lance. It's coming on the heels of his pro day like it makes the most sense.

And then all my phone blew up and it's like, no, no, no, no, it's going to be Mac Jones. So then we fast forward to right before we talked. I had a conversation with somebody right before we talked. That was the day of the draft, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I had a conversation with somebody who said,

and it was a very reliable source, said it's going to be Trey Lance. And so we come on. You had the information. Then I'm like, I'm hearing it. But the thing that I've learned. Hey, we locked it in. By the way, I want to let you know. I want to let you know.

And I don't know if you saw this or not, but when we come in, the vlog tonight has the entire series of events. And you should watch 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. We have a vlog for the behind the scenes. You actually see me get the information and then that full reaction and then everything. I mean, it is insane.

But when we go live and I go, I'm being told it's not Matt Jones. I'm being told it's Trey Lance. Then we got a text a little bit after that that was like, whoa, whoa, we're not. We're not. I'm like, oh, fuck. And by that point, things had already started to move a little bit in the betting lines. And then you came on and you were like, I'm here in the straight lines. We're like, fuck, okay, if move the sticks, no.

We felt really, really good about that. That came out of nowhere. Was there any other surprises in the draft? Do you think, like Justin Fields to Chicago? I don't think anybody, I don't think I expected that. Did you have any ideas that that was potentially going to happen? No, I mean, I thought that once he got out of range, if he started getting out beyond Denver at nine,

that somebody was coming up. But I thought it sounded like, from what we were hearing, that Washington would have been the more motivated team to come up, with Chicago kind of in a win-right-now mode. But I think, shoot, I applaud the Bears for doing it, man. Like, I said it on the broadcast last year, Pat, that was the most boring offense to watch in the NFL. Oh, it was punishment. It offense to watch in the NFL.

It was punishment. It was punishment, Daniel. Yeah. So now, I mean, look, it's going to be fun, man. I'm excited to watch what it looks like with them. And I thought it was a great move on their part. I did want to wrap up real quick on the mock draft thing, though, real quick, Pat. I have a moral question for you. All right.

If you have a show that's titled daniel jeremiah's final mock draft the night before the draft oh i don't think you're allowed to then update said draft the following morning are you well if you call it the you can it can be the uh the actual final mock draft you know i mean you could have just you could have had a sequel there and maybe one last one. New information, new intel. Here's the actual final mock draft. Are you going to have to change that going forward, or are you going to have to wait for day of draft maybe to release your show?

No. Who cares? Ty, what do you have? Daniel, why is it that your former colleague, Mike Mayock, it seems like in the last couple drafts, the Raiders are a team who everyone's always saying, oh, they really, really reach for this guy. And I remember Mayock being so good on the draft coverage,

and we've heard time and time again that Gruden might be the one that's ultimately making all the decisions. But why is it that do you think that mayock is kind of getting a lot of heat in these last couple drafts for really reaching on guys who everyone seems to be in agreement on that yeah that's a good question i look i at the end of the day and he even said it himself like he doesn't really care what any of us think on the outside or how we rank the players so they have conviction and they kind of exist in their world, and if that's what they believe, then they go. This is the weird thing about the draft, though, is I had Merrick as my 16th player.

Well, values of safeties has kind of fallen off the last few years, so he ends up falling to second round. So they get Merrick in the second round. Well, then Leatherwood was my 62nd player. I thought he's going to go in the second round. He'll probably go 40 to 60. I wasn't quite as high on him, so he was a 62. So they come out of the first

two picks with, if you said they took Merrick and they took Leatherwood, I'd be like, oh yeah, great. But they took Leatherwood, then Merrick. It's the same two dudes. I mean, so at the end of the day, it's all good. Yeah, but Daniel, you're going results driven, results oriented judgment. You know, we got to trust the process.

I think the fact that Mike Mayock has come out and said, I don't care what anybody has to say about it, makes me respect him more because he was the one who was judging everybody. And there was probably numerous times where he would say something and somebody would say something to him. And he would say, why do you care what I think? He would probably be like, why do you should not care what I think? And I assume whenever he went to GM, he was like,

I am not going to give a single fuck about any Mike Mayock out there that he's judging me. Like, I love that. That's a self-awareness thing, I think, from him, too. Like when he was probably doing a lot of the draft analysis like you, I assume there's some teams that maybe reach out and go like, oh, why'd you bury us on this? Is that happen in that game or or do you guys kind of get left alone? You know, because I talked to the most of the guys I talked to, I talked to throughout the to throughout the process and that includes mike so you know he he knew where he knew my opinion on leatherwood before he turned in that card which obviously points to the fact he does not care what i think on on on players he's doing his own work so you talk to all those guys so there's nothing that i would say on draft night that anybody that has my phone number would be

surprised by because we've had those conversations running up. Got it. Okay, Connor. Yeah, Danny, before the draft, it was reported the Saints were trying to trade up into the top ten, and obviously they didn't get that done. Were there any other teams that were trying to move up or move back and just couldn't? Oh, that's a good one. I was confused on the Saints because I had one person call and tell me they were trying to move up

if Trey Lance were to drop. And then I had somebody else tell me, no, no, no, no, they're moving up for a corner because it's a crying need on their roster. Not quarterback was the big headlines we saw. Yeah, so I assumed that had to be corner. So those were the two things with the Saints. In terms of the other teams that were trying to move up, no, I mean, most of the teams that were trying to move up pulled it off. I mean, I knew the Jets were going to try and go up to get Vera Tucker from early on. And I think they probably would have preferred to not have to go up as far.

But if you can't get somebody to dance with you, you've got to keep calling the team ahead of them. So they ended up making sure that they got their guy. Hey, I didn't get a chance to see you live on the first round because we were also live. By the way, great show. Watch it. Hell of a show. You were the one we were watching in the house. Now, it was 15 to 30 seconds behind, so, you know, there wasn't a lot of that whole thing.

When Mac Jones goes to New England and the whole, you know, whether it's the Joker, the insurance man, the Vince McMahon billionaire, whatever the walk is, that whole moment happens, okay? And you don't get a chance to see the war room, but now that we've seen the war room, was your immediate reaction like the Patriots get somebody that they've wanted all along? Or is it like, was your immediate reaction, oh, Bill Belichick's a super genius again. This guy was supposed to go three. Now he falls to 15.

What was your immediate reaction to that whole thing? And how do you feel about it now after potentially watching the war room where Bill goes, you good with it? Yeah. I guess there was zero. There was zero excitement in there. What was your initial reaction?

And then is it the same now? And what are your thoughts on the whole Patriots potentially getting another Tom Brady like? Yeah, my first thought was, okay, it's a good fit. You know, he kind of matches with the way they like to play. And then after I had time to sit back and look at it, and I'll ask you this one, but I started thinking about it. I'm like, they liked him. They didn't love him. If they

loved him, they would have gone up and got him. If you think about it, obviously the Bears love Justin Fields. They weren't going to take the chances that rely on fate for him to fall into their lap. You look at the Chiefs went up and got Mahomes. You look at the Chiefs went up and got Mahomes. You look at Houston, they went up and got Deshaun Watson. I mean, I think even going back, I think they maneuvered around the board,

but even go back to like the Ravens with Flacco, you end up trying to come up because you love the guy. If you love a guy, you're not going to sit back there and go, well, hope he gets here. That was the narrative, though. The narrative was didn't even have to trade up. Yeah, Jordan Love with the Packers. I loved him. Yeah, exactly.

That's a great call. Don't forget about that one. Well, hey, listen, it's hard to forget right now. I won't, Daniel. Hey, Daniel, I don't know if you've been able to follow along with any of this. It has been incredible. And now, obviously, you're in the media now pretty heavily, formerly of a scout in the NFL.

I assume you knew how the media was used by different people for different leverage and business stuff like that this Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers thing is is incredibly deep because it's potentially you know obvious now Schrags who's an insider I think in in the game a little bit said it was it an agent that wasn't happy or was it another team that doesn't like the Packers that released this information? Or was it the Packers potentially because Adam Schefter literally goes, league and team sources have told us right in there. But that narrative that they've done everything they absolutely can here with three planes and everything like that to kind of spin maybe the thought that Aaron's being an asshole. Which, by the way, Aaron has probably got to a point

where he's like, I don't care anymore. Like, I would like to be treated in the same fashion. Did you know that when you were in the NFL and then now that you're in the media, is that something that you have to be cognizant of? Like, who's trying to get a narrative out? Who's potentially trying to spin a story and why they're doing it?

I feel like that's the first thing I think about whenever I see anything nowadays. Well, I think there's connections you can draw between certain teams and sources uh with with media guys so we used to do it all the time we would kind of know like oh if this guy reported this we knew it was coming from this side or that side now i'm not as connected to that as i was when i was inside the league in terms of knowing who's kind of whose guy and where this you know where a narrative might be coming from. But the Rogers thing is fascinating because my first thought was, you know, I just don't know how it would benefit him to get this out. Like,

he really wanted to get out of there. I didn't know how it would benefit him right before the draft because I'm like, you got to have some runway. A deal like this doesn't just, you know, happen in three hours. Like you need a lot of runway to pull that off. And then i talked to some teams they're like no no these this you know this has been out there and known for a while and i think at least teams have tried you know the conversations have taken place so i think um you know it wasn't uh it wasn't something that just was a spur of the moment i think this had been as you guys well know had been going on for a little while but then the team came out and said well only one team has called and called. And it's been such a cluster. And at this point, you know, it's such a big deal

because anywhere Aaron goes, they're instantly contenders. I mean, that's just how it goes. Free agents are going to try to get there in the next couple. Like, that's just the way it goes, especially if the team's all in. What team do you think, just from your coverage of not only the draft and rosters and the NFL and being a scout, what team do you think that's being talked about would be the best fit, or does it matter because it's Aaron Rodgers? Denver.

How come? How come? Why do you think that? Nobody thought that. I look at doing the Charger games, Pat, for the last several years. I see that group, and when Cortland Sutton's healthy, he's big time. He is a big time dude. Then you have Jerry Judy's a young wide receiver who's got a lot of tools.

They have backs now. I think they just drafted Javante Williams, who's a stud out of North Carolina. They've got a pretty good offensive line, one of the best offensive line coaches in the NFL at Munchak. They've got pass rushers in the defense that's built to play with the lead. To me, you've got two tight ends that run 4-4 in Fant and Alberto. So they've got legit dudes there in Denver. But on the whole Rodgers thing, where I am,

when I kind of look at it from a personnel side, like it's not going to be on my resume that I traded Aaron Rodgers. Like it's just not. I couldn't do it. It's not happening. There's no way. I just could never do it. There's never enough. There's not another one out there. You can't trade him. I don't do it. It's not happening. There's no way. I just could never do it. There's never enough.

There's not another one out there. You can't trade him. I don't think that gets talked about enough. And as somebody who is in the personnel side of the NFL, and I have obviously friends now that are in the coaching side and coaches that I've had that I've been able to keep in contact with. And whenever I went on this rant a year ago about Tom Brady, about like get Tom Brady in your building.

If you can get Tom Brady in your building, you get him in your building because you would, to the personnel's point, to the coaching team, it's like we want to be the team that has Tom Brady. Like that is the team you want to be. I don't think enough people think about it that way. Like you want to be the GM that, oh, yeah, we brought in Aaron Rodgers, by the way. Like everything is kind of thought like that and it's insane because you know Tom leaves he wins

Peyton left he wins I mean it just seems like the it seems like this is inevitable but there's a chance that there's a bigger thing happening here where the players are potentially going to get a little bit of control like what we see in the NBA and that's why maybe the narratives are getting pushed so hard right now. Like, oh, this guy's an asshole, can't do this. This isn't how it goes. It's like, I feel like this is going to happen. And I don't know if any of us have any say over any of it.

You know what I mean? Like, whatever's going to happen, I don't think any of us have any say over it. I have no idea how this is going to work out. But if you're Gutekunst or Murphy or LeFleur, who, oh oh my God, LeFleur, what he went out to. I don't even want to picture a future without him. LeFleur's drawing up all these plays, by the way. I don't know how. It's going to be difficult to make that move, but the way business is done,

I don't know how it happens. Yeah, I just, again, to me, I would do two things. I would go out of my way to try and do whatever I needed to do to make Aaron happy, uh, to appease him and, and, and men defense, whatever you want,

whatever analogy you want to do. But the other thing is I would tell him like, look, we're going to, I want to pay you gobs of money. I want you to give you a little bit more insight and involvement in terms of how we're, you know,

roster building. I think he's earned that. I think he does deserve a little bit of that to at least be in a seat at the table. And then by also reiterating to him, but just so you know, like, I'm not trading you. Like, you'll have to retire if you want to keep playing. Like, that's just not going to happen. There's no chance of me trading you.

So if we try and do the thing through the media, just know that that's not a possibility. Hey, and I think that's where an owner would come in, too. You know what I mean? And I think that is potentially something that's missing in the Green Bay Packers organization for this exact moment. I'm not saying everything, but this exact moment. Daniel, enjoy your vacation. I hope you do go catch a fish or maybe swing the club as well.

Ladies and gentlemen, move the sticks. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you. Thank you. We got the Hammer Don boys in the studio. The boys! You guys are running an absolute heater, which we will talk about here in a second. Also joining us, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, insider for the insiders, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk.

Thank you, A.J. A.J., how's it doing? How are you doing? It's doing well. It's doing very well. How are you? Well, it might be doing? How are you doing? It's doing well. It's doing very well. How are you? Well, it might be doing well for you. I don't know how it's doing for me. I'm getting attacked by all angles now because I told Terry Bradshaw to fuck right off yesterday.

So now it's kind of caused a little bit more of a storm. This whole story is getting crazy. You are the person getting quoted in the New York Post. Oh, yeah. All are the person getting quoted in the New York Post. All around the internet, you're in photos on E and in the tabloids with your finger and everything like Entertainment Tonight, I think

Access Hollywood, Mario Lopez. You've been in this whole thing because you're at the Derby like this there with your fingers, you know what I mean? You're doing this thing in the photo. Do you have any updates on how you feel about the situation or any intuition, any feelings that you have on the entire thing, Mr. A.J. Hawk? I do not have any updates. Come on, A.J.

I guess I'm out of the loop. I have not given it a whole lot of thought since the show yesterday and have not really tried to figure out what's all. That's all anybody's talking about, AJ. I mean, yeah, on the internet it is, I guess. You don't have any internet. You ruined the show with your internet. Exactly.

This is the Bill Burr thing. Bill Burr was told he was canceled by somebody, and he said, by who? He said, if you don't look, you don't know. AJ is headlines everywhere doesn't even know because his phone can't connect to the goddamn internet because it's so bad it's not just chance aaron rogers retires former packers teammate aj hawk they don't even say uh derby partner up front ferguson which it could have won one step further which other headlines did do but thank you for the no update, AJ. Appreciate it, AJ.

Thank you. Did you hope that I was going to call A. Roddenbeck, hey, so I talked about you yesterday. What do you want to refute? What should I put out there that sounds good? Well, it feels like that's what potential the other side's doing, maybe, with, you know what I mean?

Fascinating. Did you hear the first, I went on a, because I'm tired of people coming after me, you know, for what I said, because it's obvious that Aaron did did not release this information okay peter schrager who's an insider he said there's no way this was aaron why would aaron just daniel jeremiah former scout now media person he's like there's no reason for aaron really that's the biggest thing i think i'm most frustrated about is people have been attacking me aj for supporting aaron because aaron's the

diva that leaked all this information was like how fucking dumb are you listen i will take it right on the shins whatever however yeah i enjoy it but if you're just that dumb though like i can't i can't take you seriously i can't take you seriously and i think that is kind of the thing that i'm most upset about in this entire thing is like, how has that become the narrative that Aaron leaked this? Aaron wanted this. He's like, I don't know. He was his only thing. His only real statement is through Mike Tirico where he said,

I'm disappointed this has gone public or whatever, because everybody in all parties involved knew this was going to be fucking massive. If this got out, whoever leaked it, I'm not saying it was the Packers. Maybe it was an agent who's not happy. Maybe it was another team that had heard about it, I'm not saying it was the Packers. Maybe it was an agent who's not happy. Maybe it was another team that had heard about it. But whatever the case, league and team sources started an absolute bonfire in everybody's life at this moment.

Well, this is something that you mentioned, Pat, in our pre-show production call that we had that we do every day, just like all the big-time shows on TV. Bingo. I FaceTime AJ. He doesn't answer. It's normally, normally I'm taking like my morning grumpy.

AJ's already been up for five hours. So I try to FaceTime him. He never answers. I hit him back with another one today though. I hit him back with another one today. He answered. He had just got done dropping off his kids and looked like he was going fly fishing

in those Ohio waters. Yeah, the entire, had the entire thing. But it was a good conversation this morning. We're like a real show now. Maybe we'll get an Emmy because you just mentioned that. That is the hope. That's our first step on the path.

But going back to what you said about the A-Rod thing, I guess I was naive to it. I heard some different people saying, like, oh, how dare Aaron Rodgers try to hijack the draft? And why would you, like, what a petty move to put this out the day of. And I was like, do people really think that he put this out and he would do this on the, like, would he really want to hijack the draft and mess up also his weekend he has scheduled at the Kentucky Derby?

Yeah, I didn't even think about that, because as somebody who's in that group, it was like, as soon as this news drops, you're like, oh, that's a fucking interesting weekend. This will be a lot of fun. It's one of the greatest weekends of all time i packed 700 cigars okay for this weekend you think aaron just like not the only time i get to have a blast at a public function i don't deal with anybody and i

get all all my friends together let's ruin it that's what like i just i'm i'm very upset about that but let's move along hey i'm slurping roge that's what people are telling me all right that's what people cares no matter what their people always think you're either slurping someone too much you're not slurping hey speaking of you're right here the slurp talk is always it's always on one side hey it's a fickle conversation it's either one way slurp or another way slurp. Bullshit. Tired of it. I think I'm pretty good.

I feel like I'm pretty good. Right down the middle. Slurp right down the center. Just enough. Just the right amount. Just a little bit. The handball community is coming after me. Oh, jeez. The handball community is coming after me.

I got them. For your team that you picked? Yeah, and the rugby community. They're coming after me. You know what I mean? All right. I mean I got them for your team that you picked yeah and the rugby community they're coming after me you know what I mean all right I mean what could they say well everybody's taking it all out of fucking context too I said if these guys and the beach volleyball community big respect yeah yeah but none of them are talking about you know in the weightlifting community even them not the bodybuilders? They know Aaron Donald, too.

And, you know, they're like, you know, prove it, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, listen, let's not take this out of context. What I said is the country of the NFL, if they had nine months of nothing else other than the sport, the handball, let's assume Patrick Mahomes, Matthew Stafford, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers and the boys can figure out handball. Okay, I know right now maybe they'll pick up a game, they'll look amateur. But nine, maybe a year. Okay, maybe I was wrong with nine months. I was off three months.

I am so, so sorry. But with one year of every day learning, I'd assume they would fare pretty well. I got attacked yesterday, though. Oh, boy. Those people are fucking idiots. I mean, what was the argument they had? Well, I didn't have enough respect for their sport or whatever.

I don't think you have enough respect for NFL fucking players. Yeah. How about that? How about that, AJ? I'm tired. I was in the trenches yesterday. Hey, Pat, are you the next generation

to skip Bayless by just riling up all these different players? AJ, finally, we will never do it. Go to hell just riling up all these different people? Oh, AJ. AJ, finally. Go to hell. You saw how much he got paid. You saw his contract. It was actually 11x what I was offered from that company, which is interesting. Anyways.

Let that sink in. I don't think we'll do another segment like that ever again I enjoyed it I enjoyed the brain thought the 25-30 minutes of brainstorming but man everybody's mad about it this is what I've talked about

with Skip Bayless he has played piano man every night okay for 30 years the same way same passion and he is still making money off it.

I have the utmost respect for that. I cannot just get on my Twitter, though, and just have everybody tell me I am a sack of shit. You fucking suck! Which I assume Skip Bayless does because that is just... I would like everybody to get along. I'd like to be a unifier. Yesterday, fucking every community was coming. Terry Bradshaw's fans were coming after me somehow.

I mean, it was. Yesterday, I was in the middle. And I'll go in there fucking again if I have to, but I'm not going to do another segment that just sets me up for absolute. We forgot a long-time rule of this show. We don't do those segments. We judge those that do those segments. We don't do the mock drafts.

Well, you did do a mock draft. We don't do the power rankings. We judge the power rankings. The power rankers. Yeah. Those people must hate gold medals because, shit, you did do a mock draft. We don't do the power rankings. We judge the power rankings. The power rankers. Yeah. Those people must hate gold medals because shit, we won 10 of them yesterday. No, no, no. Can't say that. We did not. It feels like we did.

No, that's not what I was told by the respective communities of sports that we allegedly offended yesterday. Did you say both of you? No, but I did think about him while Tyreek was running down the back stretch in my mind. I saw Tyreek leaning and you saying this thing. I was like, maybe we do get silver.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe we do. Of all the events, track sprinting is the one where like, all right, you can sprint for a year. You can only get so fast. Yeah. But there's like little technique things. There's a kid for Browns, I guess, only get so fast. Yeah, but there's like little technique things. There's a kid for the Browns, I guess, who just got drafted.

He was not happy. I guess he actually is like an Olympic sprinter or whatever. Shout out to him. He hasn't played a fucking Don yet, which is what we were going off of, but he is in the NFL, so that is on us. I apologize, Flack. Sorry. Pat, please don't let the weightlifters, the wrestlers, the handballers,

and the guys who haven't even played a down in the NFL yet win. Okay. Hold the line. Hold. I'll make another fucking roster too. Wait until you see the winner Olympics. Oh, man. They're not going to be happy with me.

Uh-uh. Anyways. Derrick Henry on the Alpine course. Don't rub me. You don't even know they have to play defense you don't think derrick henry can learn how to tackle in 12 months what are we doing what are we what are we even doing okay yeah rugby was coming after me fucking sprinkle a couple linebackers in there dude well yeah by the way we did forget like we should have created another

sport for uh the honey badger oh yeah probably especially now he's friend of the show we should have got him in there somewhere. He would have taken some, I'm not saying it. I love Olympians. I love Olympians. But I'm just saying, if the country of the NFL was to show up at any of these things after a year of training with the competitive mindset they have, not that Olympians don't. Hey, not that Olympians don't.

I'm just saying, I think it would be pretty competitive in some of these. I was thinking what he would be good at. How come Mount Midoriyama is not in the Olympic shed? Yeah, you're right. How about the aggro crag? I mean, there's a lot of things that we can maybe make the Olympics better to if we want the Olympic fans to just come after us, too. Give the honey badger a saber.

I think the aggro crag is kind of in the picture. You're 100% right. Yeah. You're him fencing? Gotcha. Oh, we win. Yeah. right yeah that's good you're uh him oh yeah gotcha oh we went yeah oh there's gonna be some string bean rich white uh-huh okay in europe who's not gonna be happy about us saying that old honey badger will be able to pick up a sword and fucking win

chances when you go against the fencing community right They'll stab you right in the back. And we didn't even talk about the cycling. I mean, Russell Wilson on that Peloton. See ya. Are you kidding me? The fencing community can shut up until they do it with real swords, okay? Until there's blood on the mats. Don't talk about it. I have a lot of respect for the sport.

Absolutely. I watch a documentary on it. The way they train with the points and the lasers. I have a lot of respect for it. But let's assume that if Tyron Matthew decides to pick it up, he's going to be pretty good at it pretty quickly. Yeah, quick with the blade. That guy in Europe who's, you know,

a pro fencer, he's just mad he's getting silver. You're right. That's the only reason they're crying. The loogie. The loogie? Suck it, Gil. Zito, appreciate that, pal. Really appreciate what you did back there.

AJ, let's take some phone calls, shall we? Yeah, man. I'm glad I don't have to weigh in. You're much braver than I am to take on all those different families. He's so quiet. Fencing, cycling, all of them. Do you think we win? Do you think the country?

Not we, because I'm not on the team. Maybe I am. Maybe I'm like Pepper Brooks, though. Oh, yeah. Maybe I'm like, you know. Could be T.B. Action. The individual commentators. I would be the broadcast team for the country of the NFL.

You could probably be the Easter bee for the country of the NFL, for the Olympics. No, that's T-Bow. Yeah, it's T-Bow. Especially now he's back. I thought we were putting him in. I mean, throw him in boxing. I guess there is a pivot role in handball.

I learned a lot about handball last night from the tweets I got. I guess you do want lefties in there, too. So somebody did say, remove one of these and put Tebow in there. And I'm like, all right, listen, if we're putting Tebow on the team. Wasn't it based on throwing? That team ain't fucking losing right there. There's no way that team's losing. All right, we'll put Vic in there.

Don't need lefties. A 40-year-old Vic. How would this team lose in handball? Tell me, AJ. I don't think they can. We should talk to Jake the Snake Plumber. He's a 40-year-old Vic. How would this team lose in handball? Tell me, AJ. I don't think they can. We should talk to Jake the Snake Plumber. He's a big-time handball player. Jake the Snake Plumber, huh?

3 a.m. on the streets of New Orleans down at the Super Bowl. How'd it go? I love Jake. He viciously attacked me. Jeez! Out of nowhere. I was like, all right, big fan. All right, Jake.

He was with my guy George. Rules of handball, George Foster. A match consists of two periods of 30 minutes. Okay, we're going to have to work on our cardio,

boys. Okay, we're going to have to work on our cardio. Ain't no problem. We got a year. Yeah, got a year.

Got a year. Each team consists of seven players, a goalkeeper, and six outfield players. Okay, okay. It was a colon there. It wasn't a semi. It was a full. No, it wasn't a semi Okay. It was a colon there.

It wasn't a semi. It was a full. No, it wasn't a semi colon. It was a hey, this is to clarify what we just said there. Six and one. Okay. Outfield players can touch the ball with any part of their body that is above the knee. Wait till you see what Gronk does with his hips.

Oh, hell yeah. Once a player receives possession, they can pass, hold possessions, or shoot. If a player holds possession, they can dribble or take three steps for up to three seconds without dribbling. Only the goalkeeper is allowed to come into contact with the floor of the goal area. Goalkeepers are allowed out of the goal area but must not retain possession if

they're outside the goal. We win. Game over. Checkmate. What are we even talking about here? Yeah, I feel like, yeah, 12 months of preparation and that's all they do is train for it like they're in the Olympics. AJ couldn't play though. Can you put that team back up there please? Yeah, I feel like, yeah, 12 months of preparation, and that's all they do is train for it like they're in the Olympics? AJ couldn't play, though. Can you put that team back up there, please?

Why, because his hands? By the way, if this team was the handball team, I think handball would be the number one sport in America. Absolutely. Oh, shit. Dribbling, too? Think about how many guys in the NBA dribble in a handball. Oh, yeah.

This is just the country of the NFL, but you're right. If we had Russell Westbrook. Yeah. Kyrie Irving. I mean, come on. Now, yeah. It would be over. This is just the country of the NFL, but you're right. If we had Russell Westbrook. Yeah. Kyrie Irving. I mean. Come on. Now listen. Zion.

This isn't even the best of the handball players. Like Josh Allen, you chose for a different event. I'm sure he'd be hell of a handball player. Bingo. Josh Allen is throwing the javelin. It's on the same day. At Flacco.

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Julian Edelman, you know, great arm. Oh, yeah. With a good knee. Good knee, yeah. Pussy's shifty, you know. Anyways, I'm tired of getting attacked for the truth. We win. Congrats to us.

You lose. Congrats to us. Congrats lose. Congrats to us. Congrats. I can't wait until the next list that you put out. I'm not doing them anymore. I just said it. What about an NFL chess team? I mean, could you think about...

I would assume Aaron would be on that team. Absolutely. Which is why... Mike Vick's the coach. That is something that people... Mike Vick would be the coach. Because he did become a chess master, I guess. Oh, yeah.

While he's passing his time. That's what he said in Carson Redd. He played chess every day. I would like to see him go take on people in chess now that close Sicilian and what is it? Beth Harmon. Beth Harmon. What is it?

Queens Gambit. Queens Gambit. There it is. Couldn't think of the name. Vic should have went out and played. I assume he's going to be very good. He's the coach. But the people that say Aaron

is super smart and all that shit and they say that he did this on purpose, it's like, well, if you compliment how intelligent he is and you think he's cerebral and manipulative and all this shit, why would he set himself up to look like an absolute jackass? He would not do that. So it's like all accounts of people

thinking Aaron leaked this are dumb. Now, he might say differently. Maybe at some point it'll come out that it was from him, but that doesn't make any sense to me, AJ. And we're back at square one. Let's now talk about, AJ, the Hammered Don boys, okay, the HDB, live 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, youtube.com forward slash hammered don. They are incredibly hot still. Oh, yeah.

Are you guys going to be good forever now that you're every single day and that's all you guys focus on? Well, it's at least going to be a hot hammered down boy summer. Oh. Wow. No, it's going to be a white boy summer. Sheesh. Again.

Blah, blah. MLB's been treating us greatly. The hammered down boys who call in on the money line. Wow. Were undefeated yesterday. Really? Randoms are calling? Callers of the show.

The HDBs. HDBs. The Hammerdown Boys. The little gang you guys have created of winners over there. Vandal has to hate you guys. What is the trick you guys are doing to win all these games? First five, Pat. I mean, six and two last night, baseball.

Just run it forward. Keep it going. What if Vandal says, like, hey, team, listen. We're going to have to redo the algorithm for about a week. We're going to have to shut this first five down. Do you guys think you guys have it completely cracked here, the code? I will say no, because last time we said that, we did have a losing night. So I did not want to tempt the gambling gods,

but I feel pretty good. We appreciate that. AJ Urban Meyer says Tim Tebow will make the... Hey, congrats, by the way. How you doing, boys? Not easy to win like that. Did the Jacksonville Jaguars Super Bowl odds change that Tim Tebow's

potentially going to be playing tight end for end? They got worse, actually. Okay. That was a shot that's not true. Tim Tebow, good tight end or not a good tight end? Here on May 5th, 2021, you think he'd be a good tight end or a bad tight end in the NFL? I have no clue. Has he ever played tight end at any level? He played PP, personal protector on a punt team.

He saw Aaron Hernandez play a lot. He did watch Aaron and other tight ends. Not just Aaron Hernandez. One of the best tight ends ever. He saw a lot. Aaron Hernandez was very good at the football position tight end. Cut a dime. What's that, Pub?

He cut a dime. He's quick. Okay, yeah, he was very quick. Yeah, he would have been a game changer for sure. Gronkowski and Andrew. Okay, see? Knew you were going to get there. Knew you were going to get there.

I was trying to cut it off early. But you have no idea. I think he's going to be great. That's you were going to get there. I was trying to cut it off early. But you have no idea. I think he's going to be great. That's what Tim Tebow does in Urban Meyer. He is great. Yeah, he is. And if Urban is going to bring him in, I mean, if he's going to take up a roster spot, it's not like a charity case Urban's going to do.

He wants to win more than anybody. So I assume there will be a role for Timmy in there. Will Schlegel and Tebow, how will that – will that just be a volcano of motivation or how is that whole thing going to pan out, you think? It will be like two forces colliding. But I texted Schlegs early this morning. I said I was watching an interview where Tebow told me he's going to out squat you and he's going to double your deadlift.

Oh, so you talk shit to Schlegs. Yeah. Schlegs has not responded. He's too good of a guy to respond. Yeah, because you kind of put him in a pickle there because Tebow might be a player that is on a team where he's going to have to coach. So if he responds in any fashion of,

he ain't going to fucking beat me, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, are you kind of burying? And then if he responds with, yeah, Tebow probably will do that, you'll hold that over his head for the rest of his life. So you kind of put him into a check-type situation there. Trust me, Schlegs is not going to respond and say, you're right, he probably will. I don't think that's one of his reasons. Left tackle Eric Fisher is visiting with the Colts this week.

Anthony Costanzo retired after an incredible career. Was not nationally known, but I got a chance to watch him kind of grow into being a dominant left tackle in the NFL. Quentin Nelson changed him a lot for the better. Whenever you get that guy next to you, it helps out. The left tackle position was left open. We did not know what was going to happen with the Colts, especially since Carson Wentz has been brought aboard. But I do believe Chris Ballard said Carson Wentz had a rugby player, okay,

blocking for him last year. We promise you we won't do that they bring in Eric Fisher who was let go from the Chiefs and the revamping of the offensive line over there your thoughts on this did you ever play against Eric Fisher and do you think he's still got it I think I did play against him yeah he's coming off a torn Achilles right yeah and that's I mean that is a tough, tough, tough injury. It seems like I would – so the Colts obviously haven't signed him yet. I'm sure they're checking on his Achilles and seeing when he'll be ready to go. But don't you think you can get him relatively cheap maybe coming off the injury? I would assume the injury, especially in Achilles, it is –

Like a one-year. He probably needs like a proven year. Like, hey, this is – let me make sure I'm good. And the Colts can say, hey, we can give you that opportunity. And a chance to win, maybe. And a chance to win. So who knows if Ballard's going to offer him a contract or they're going to figure it out or whatever.

But the Achilles deal is a massive ordeal. Whenever it happens, everybody's bummed in the facility. ACLs obviously have been ending seasons and careers for a long time. With the new four-week IR thing, and you could potentially come back and everything like that. Maybe we'll see more people with the 17 games come back from an early ACL. Maybe if science figures it out. But the Achilles is just an absolute.

Nobody really knows why it happens. You can prepare for it, but if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Usually it's non-contact you can just be walking moving and anytime it happens the entire level of morale around everybody is ruined that's why this jawan james um uh is that is that jawan james right yeah yeah 8.5 million dollar contract is what he's owed next year he pops his achilles training off the field now with the way contracts have been set up for so long there's an asterisk in every single contract that i was a part of maybe i thought it would change going forward but if you get hurt away

from the facility they don't have to cover it and it's it's just the way it's been for a long time i talked about it earlier with the lockout i went skydiving as soon as the lockout happened because we had Cobra insurance because Cobra wasn't able to tell me, like, ah, we ain't going to cover anything if I just so happen to fall from 13,000 feet or whatever, which could happen in the NFL. But this is a situation that the NFLPA and the NFL are going to be judged heavily on because this dude, the Broncos know they're going to make money, contracts and rights and everything's going up. They could pay for this, but legally they could say no as well.

How do you feel about that whole situation, A.J., and what do you think happens? I mean, I would be a little bit – I am a little bit torn about it. And I've talked about it on here before, the old joke, what you used to do, hey, if you got hurt outside the facility, you got to hobble on in there and act like you did it during practice or during a workout. Like that's just – was the old joke that people used to do hey if you got hurt outside the facility you got to hobble on in there and act like you did it during practice or during the workout like that's just was the old joke that people would always make but especially right now with the covid situation everything i can't see a way where they don't pay them i know legally they don't have to but i would think they're going to

take care of didn't you think that maybe that would get changed with the recent cba i would assume that's why a lot of players are coming out and they're like, hey, like this is, you know, this is a thing that we've been, you know, it was just kind of the standard. Like, hey, if you get hurt, it was just kind of how it was. It's just how contracts were. This is standard NFL contract talk right here. If you get hurt, they don't have to cover it, even though they will.

Ben Roethlisberger crashed his Hayabusa in downtown Pittsburgh, going through a five-way intersection that is blind. A lady ran the intersection, hit him. He did not have a license. He did not have a helmet on. It was a pretty reckless situation by all accounts. The Steelers did pay for it, but I remember the stories coming out like, the Steelers do not have to cover this at all if they're angry.

This is just kind of how it's always been. With this situation, if it doesn't get paid for, the NFLPA could have to really eat some shit here from a lot of its players, especially now Patrick Mahomes came out. I think Tyreek Hill also came out. Other guys came out and they're like, what are they supposed to do? Just not train anywhere? Like how is this supposed to happen? It's fascinating stuff, and it's all big business stuff,

which is how everything has to be treated whenever you look at the nfl these days even though we wish it was differently hey but how do you how do you end up changing it because if you say hey if you get hurt working out away from the facility yes we it is covered in your contract but how can you prove then it's going to become a big thing of proving that you got hurt working out and not skydiving or not yeah jet skiing or doing something like that yeah i remember thinking i did something i was was kicking balls in my backyard and I felt something like kind of pop. I felt something pop like in the back. It was in the back on like one of those, I don't know what the hell it is,

but the two thingies on the outside of the knee in the back, like I felt it pop and I was like, Oh no, not good. It was in my left knee. So there was a kicking period coming in like three days or whatever I was like all right I have to get I have to get to that kicking period I have to I have to kick one ball at least in that kicking period and I'll be but that was literally immediate thought upon that

thing I'm like ah god what is that okay well now I gotta this can't affect anything now but I woke up the next day, it felt better. The next day, it felt better. But you saying that whole, like the old thing was, you've got to get into the building. That was very real because this has been just a standard for a long time. Put that back up there. So I think it is the gracilis.

So it looks like, yeah. The gracilis in the knee is what that thing in the back is. AJ, you probably, do you work out all these muscles? Well, these are just muscles. They're not showing the ligaments. I thought do you work out all these muscles? Well, these are just muscles. They're not showing the ligaments. I thought you were talking about a ligament. Well, I have no idea. I think it is a ligament, maybe, actually. I was looking at muscles. Zito's looking at muscles.

Zito's looking at the muscles. But I hope this happens. Obviously, I hope the Achilles gets paid for. That's one that you can't tough it into the gym. Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Oh, my God. Well, and he opted out last year, too, and we always talk about these teams having, like,

a little human feel to it, so we'll see how they actually feel about it. Vic Ballard had an Achilles, I think. I don't think he ever got back from it. Robert Mathis had an Achilles. I think he had to get, like, 13 surgeries or something like that. Damn. The Achilles is tough, dude.

For all we know about it, and we know obviously it killed that one king or god back in the day. Yeah, the Achilles there. But it's tough to prepare for. It just can kind of happen over nowhere. I was looking at Eric Fisher. I thought he was Pro Bowl two years ago. He was a Pro Bowl actually last year, and he toured in the AFC championship game.

There's no way that he can play this upcoming season. So it's probably going to be a two-year deal. And the Colts also drafted someone in the second round who tore their Achilles I think in December or something like that. So they don't give a shit about the torn Achilles. Chris Ballard. Eight months. He can come back in eight months, I bet, by September.

When did he tear it? January? Yeah, end of January. It's a championship game, yeah. You could definitely say he can make it back this season. Maybe not the very start, but yeah. And you probably do get him at a pretty good rate at this point. And the Colts probably should grab him because the Broncos are bringing in basically every tackle available. And a veteran is added to a veteran team. Guy has a ring.

Number one overall pick. Yeah. Let's go, Chris. Here we go. number one overall pick. Yeah. Let's go, Chris. Here we go.

Hersey did say that they'll keep their eyes out for every situation that was going on or something in his immediate press conference post-draft. So I wonder if Hersey was like, brother, we are getting a tap in. He's awesome, AJ, isn't he? Oh, yeah. I don't know. They tell me the numbers,

and then they say, yeah, I can pick that plane up. $80 million. There it is. So sorry to interrupt this conversation, but I got to let you guys know that whether it's for work or play, a lot of us are going to be on the move again this summer, baby. Let's go! So my advice to you, take your Raycons with you. Whether you're listening to this show or the pod or Hammerdown,

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deal you're probably going to want to grab a pair and a spare that's 15 off at b-u-y-r-a-y-c-o-n dot com slash pat buyraycon.com slash pat back to the show hey jared a question for you can't wait. Are you going to break any news today about this whole thing? Yeah, come on. Oh, I thought this was related to the read that you're about to do. Nah, I'm putting it off till later. I don't think so.

I don't think I have any breaking news. Do you? I got some breaking news. Okay. This show is a daily show that has a ticker now. Oh, really? We have a ticker now. Yeah, I don't know if it's live immediately or has been live because we can't see it in the studio but we have a ticker that is going to be updated uh just

like we had on draft night i believe we're going to move into the daily rotation with the ticker aj you know what comes quotes from the first hour if you missed it uh updates on any potential news breakings that could happen on the show that maybe you are showing up late to. There will also be trivia in there. Will you be able to make some money? Yeah, I mean, the ticker trivia thing is going to be a big time thing. We'll get quotes, potential guests that are coming

on the show, ideas, just to keep people updated on what's going on. Maybe occupy the optics a little bit down here at the bottom. You know what I mean, AJ? I like it. Will I be able to see it from my end? I don't think you. Will I be able to see it from my end? I don't think you nor me will be able to see it. So I've had some wires. Azeedo production needs to get tightened up a little bit.

There you go. He needs to call a satellite down to shoot that thing over there. But is it up and running right now? It is up and running. Let's go! Yay! Look out for trivia questions in there. Ticker trivia will be something.

I don't know if we'll do it every day. I don't know how much we'll want to kind of kill that or not The thought was It'll be one like question you probably could google Okay There's another one that is directly related to the show And then the third one will be an ungoogleable question Nice You know much like the

What sandwich is Ty eating Right Something like that And then you have to get all three You'd have to tweet them out with something And then we'll just kind of give away You know a couple like what sandwich is Thai eating or something like that. And then you'd have to get all three. You'd have to tweet them out with something. And then we'll just kind of give away, you know, a couple hundred bucks a day if you watch along. And there's more reason, hopefully, for people to watch along. And, you know, us to say thank you to them for doing such a thing and spending their afternoon.

The ticker is very useful. I just found out that NFL insider A.J. Hawk has provided no new updates. Yeah, that is something that did make it onto the ticker. Yeah, that did make it onto the ticker. We will not say who is running the ticker, but that did make its way onto the ticker, AJ. It's a shame that that is breaking news at this point. Yeah, sorry, AJ.

No news is breaking news, AJ. It's a shame that whoever is running this ticker sure has a lot of power since I will never see the ticker. Well, I will never see it either, by the way. So it's not – if you think it's me, it's not. Okay? I like – I'm good. I think it's awesome.

I think you should also put up whoever's doing it. Oh, wow. That looks awesome. NFL insider A.J. Hawk has provided no new updates on the Aaron Rodgers situation. Damn. Our ticker's the best. Our ticker's the best. Handball guys are mad

okay yes by the way speaking of handball let's go ahead and put a a ribbon on that whole thing I guess the best handball player in the world

has tweeted about us he is from France he said he would love to play against the team that we put together we hey

we'd love hey nothing but respect for your work Nicola nothing but respect for you he said it would be nice to play against them and I respect for your work, Nicola. Yeah, you equal my boy, Nicola. Nothing but respect for you. He said it would be nice to play against them. And I want to let you know, Nicola, I don't think it would be, pal.

Okay? You would not be talked about ever again in the handball world. All right? Just one thing. I respect you. I appreciate all the hard work. I love watching handball when the Olympics come around. Every single time I think, why is this not a bigger sport in America?

This is a great game. This is a great game. This is a great game. It's a fun game, action-packed game. There's a lot of athleticism going on. With that being said, if the country of NFL decides to get into the handball world and commit a year to it, Nikola's probably never winning a game again. You lose. Hey, Kola.

He's an NFL fan, too, so he knows. Oh, wee-wee. Yeah, hey. He gets it. A 2A Trey fucked, pal. Uh-huh. Okay? What'd you just say to him? so he knows. Oh, we, we, yeah, hey, a 2A Trey fucked, pal. Uh-huh. Okay. What'd you just say to him?

You are very fucked. That's right. Yeah, that's, by the way, my French skills are, you know, at a college level.

Sure. Okay, it's not elementary. It's not elementary. It is a college level. Six classes of French I have taken. Damn. Wow. Yep, I have. That's a elementary. It is a college level. Six classes of French I have taken. Damn.

Wow. Yep, I have. That's a lot. Damn, you're fluent. Yeah. Well, that's the thing about it is, you know, I need the word box. You know what I mean? Yeah, big time.

I need the word bank there for that whole thing. I can understand when other people are speaking slowly. You know, like if they have a, you know, like for instance in morocco their second language is french and they speak it and i think they speak a little bit slower potentially than the french do and as i was walking through a market in morocco i did hear and decipher a group of people talking shit about our group now to respond uh yeah oh yeah i basically just said, ah! You know what I mean? I gotcha.

That's basically what I said. So I felt good there, but that is the only time it has ever paid off for me other than talking shit in French to the best handball player on earth. So that's two times. Everybody should be taking Spanish. I don't know what the fuck you're doing. Ain't that right? Yeah, exactly.

When will you ever need French if you grow up here? Why was that an option? I'm with you. Spanish from day one. They should start Spanish from first grade on with English. Listen, let's just acknowledge what it is. If you're going to make us take a foreign language, which they did, they forced us into. And by the way, the French community, the French-speaking teacher community, I'm sure is a very nice group of people.

Oh, yeah. My French teachers were all very nice group of people. Oh, yeah. Great people. My French teachers were all very nice, okay? I enjoyed them as humans, but there's no reason for me to be fucking learning French. Nope. There's no reason for it. You know what I mean? German was an option.

Latin was an option, I think, which, by the way, okay, I understand you want to go with Latin. You can kind of figure out every other language, I guess. But Spanish should have been the only one. I don't know why they let my dumbass pick a language. What about Chinese? Maybe, yeah. Maybe that's an option as well. I think it's Mandarin. By the way, that's despicable that you

don't even know that Mandarin... They offered Chinese in my college in high school. It makes sense. They don't offer Mandarin. They offer Chinese. In Massachusetts. Probably in Ohio, same. They offer Chinese. In Massachusetts. Probably in Ohio, same thing. Hey, you want to take Chinese over here? You want to take Chinese?

Is that happening over there in Ohio, or is that just Massachusetts? I think it's just wherever Connor's from. Okay, yeah. Makes sense. That's what they were offering, okay? And you forgot about the breaking news. Foxy's giving away a boatload of money tonight. Oh, yeah.

Put that on the ticker. Put that on the ticker. Put that on the ticker. Whoever's running the ticker. Whoever's running the ticker. Let's go ahead and add that on there that there's a new vlog coming out 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, Mr. Friday night. Foxy's giving away a boatload of cash. A big amount of money. Yeah. It was actually his.

It was a gift to me. Yeah. Happy birthday. Thank you. Very nice of him. Foxy, you're a good guy. Good guy. Good for you, Foxy. Good guy. AJ, have you given away your $20,000 yet?

No, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to... Has Mitt found yet someone from my Instagram? Well, Mitt's been worrying about his goddamn landlord catfish situation. I don't know if he's got a chance to figure it out. By the way, the pod, the podcast that comes out of this office, today's episode is worth a download. It is worth a show.

Let's go to Sonny in Toronto. What's going on, Sonny? It's always Sonny in Toronto. Hey, Kyle. What's going on, brother? Hey, just hanging out, Sonny. How you doing up there? I'm doing good, boys.

Hey, shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. I'm doing good, boys. Hey, shout out. Shout out. Shout out.

Hey, yo, did you happen to see what RG3 said about Kirk Cousins? It just totally buried him. He goes, he's sitting there collecting checks in Minnesota, leading in the eight and eight seasons. What's that all about? You think RG3's got a little beef still from the Washington football situation? A little jaded. Did he say that?

Did Bob really say that? I did not see that. Neither did I. He was doing a – RG3 was on some kind of podcast or draft show thing. I think – I know he was quoted as saying something else. Yeah, he wanted to be a mentor. I think he was trying to make a case why he would be good on some teams. Yeah, like a mentor or something, right? He wanted to be –

For Trey Lance. Yeah. Yeah. So that must have been the show that he said that, right? So did he also say, Kirk stinks. Sounds like it. I wonder if Kirk. You would think that would be, wouldn't that be the lead?

Wouldn't that be what gets picked up from that instead of the, that would be a good mentor? Well, especially in the world that we live in. Maybe Sonny was like, how come nobody's talking about this? This guy said that he stinks. And maybe, Sonny, we appreciate you doing that for us, pal. But I have not heard that. I did not hear that.

Who knows if that's real or not? I have no idea. Washington ex-quarterback RG3 blast cousins for collecting checks, touts himself as mentor. Okay, here we go. This is via Mike Fisher on May the 4th. Be with you 2021. Robert Griffin III is looking for work and maybe looking for attention too.

Whoa, Mike. Come on, Mike. Jesus Christ. Everybody's getting buried in this situation. Whoa, Mike. Come on, Mike. Jesus Christ. Everybody's getting buried in this situation. Griffin, the former Washington football team. By the way, they probably asked him to go on this show. He gives answers. He's looking for attention. They asked him to probably come on. How about that? This is that media thing. You know, this is that media thing. Like players are always, you know what I mean? And it's not-

Yeah, you don't need that. You don't have to start the article out like that. That's what I'm saying. Like you're setting the tone like oh here's a player like okay all right he's probably asked to do that how come the people that are doing the show aren't asking for your viewers which is means looking for money like how come that isn't how you oh i know why because the media has pretty good relationship with a lot of you know not all media not all teams but i'm just saying it does feel as if the players potentially having a little bit more saying things is pissing people off i'd assume i'd assume people are not happy or thrilled about that we'll see how it all ends up but griffin the former washington

football team qb predicted to bleacher report.com the vikings quarterback kirk cousins will end up losing his starting job to just drafted rookie kellen Mond in that he, Griffin, should be signed by the 49ers, the perfect mentor for new quarterback Trey Lance. On the Cousins situation, yeah, I can tell you that number eight in Minnesota is not real happy right now because Kellen Mond represents exactly what he doesn't do well. Kellen Mond is the big physical quarterback. He can run it, throw it all over the field, and I don't think that's something number eight is able to do in Minnesota. As you've seen, Cousins has been collecting checks

there in Minnesota for a long time, taking them to eight and eight, nine and seven seasons. I mean, that is, I mean, Mike Fisher did say he was looking for a little bit of attention. Maybe what he was referring to is when RG3 said this, he knew that this was potentially going to get picked up. Hey, there might be something going on there. If I die, I die. And RG3, do they hate each other? I didn't know they hated each other. I didn't know that was the case. I mean, they may hate each other. I would assume they just don't

talk. Like, there's no communication from either of them. I would assume RG3 hates Cousins. I don't think Cousins cares one way or another. Took his job, got paid a bunch of money in Washington, and then now in Minnesota. I don't think Cousins cares one way or another. Took his job, got paid a bunch of money in Washington and then now in Minnesota. I would be... I heard that RG3

hates Kirk Cousins. I'd be like, yeah, it makes sense. I don't know because it feels like... I don't know. Would you say something like that about somebody you're good friends with? No, no, never. That's what I'm saying. He could could have, you know what I mean? He could have peppered it a little different.

Like, for instance, Brett Favre. If he wasn't friends with Aaron Rodgers right now, he'd be coming out with a hammer like Terry Bradshaw. Yeah. But instead, since he's friends with Aaron, he's coming out, he's like, even when he holds a grudge, you know, I mean, he ain't budging. You know, it's all in how you decide to talk about it or whatever. That's the narrative, by the way. That's the whole thing we're talking about with narratives. To It's a game budget. It's all in how you decide to talk about it or whatever. That's the narrative, by the way.

That's the whole thing we're talking about with narratives. To Ty's point, too, I'm sure when people say, oh, you remember Bob Griffin on the Washington football team, then they had a different name. It was probably like, yeah, remember when Kirk Cousins saved Bob Griffin because he got hurt? And you think RG3 hears that all the time, and he's like, this guy stinks.

I'm sick of it. Fuck you guys. Hey, he did have like a 28-yard run, though, that made me and Foxy a lot of money on Wednesday afternoon football. Then he popped his hamstring the next play. Which was perfect. Yeah. Because he couldn't lose any yards running anymore.

True. For our pockets. Not for RG3. No, not for Bob. I mean, you are a terrible person. Bob's got a statue. All right, Bob's going to be all right. That's true.

Bob won't be all right.'s true bob gonna be all right all right let's go to the phones justin in florida what's going on justin hey pat how's it going just hanging out pal how are you now boys aj how they doing happy happy drinking day on the fifth here Drink a day on the 5th here. I'll drink out of my own. I'm more like drinking, am I right? You may be drunk out of my later.

You got to put people on hold for an hour and a half on the 5th. What are you going to do? Yeah, of course. Let's go to Nico in South Carolina. Nico, what's going on? He's hammered. What's going on, Pat?

I want to know the question. Yeah, I didn't mean, it's the computer. You know what I mean? Goddamn, Dale. What's going on, bud? Nico, what's going on? This is Nico in South Carolina.

Nico knows. Nico, let's let Pat talk over your question. Come on. No, no, I don't want to do that, but I don't want us to complain about getting fucking to finally on

and then bitching about it. You know what I mean? Like, hey, listen, we got a lot of things to talk about, pal. We got an insider of the insiders, okay? Sorry, we're not going immediately to you down in Florida when you get online. Fuck you.

Yeah, Jesus Christ, AJ. Okay, thank you, Nico. Thank you, Nico. Nico knows. Like, hey, Nico, I was excited for that guy from Florida. At that exact moment, by the way, I had seen he had potentially been waiting. I'm like, this Joe needs this guy right now. You know what he's doing?

He goes on and bitches about it. Like, hey, pal. God. No, thanks. It's hammered. I'm like, this Joe needs this guy right now. You know what he's doing? He goes on and bitches about it like, hey, pal. God! No thanks. It's hammered. He is drunk, though, so he shouldn't hold it against him. Call back next week. Maybe a Sobro DeMaio. You know what I mean? That'll be a good one. Nick gave me a standing ovation in the back when I hung up on a guy

that I would like everybody to know that he has been wanting me to be a little bit more aggressive with the phones. I like our callers. I appreciate our callers. But shut the fuck up. Nico, what do you want to talk about, pal? Hey, first and foremost, before I get with my question, I do want to wish Mrs. McAfee some good wishes. I know some of her family's got an operation today.

Smart. He's good, by the way. Let's go. But my question is, with Justin Fields in Chicago, I know they've gained some extra weapons with the draft and post-draft, including C.J. Marabal from Coastal Carolina. I want to see if you think that their offensive scheme is going to be a little bit different

because I can't remember the last time they've had a mobile quarterback. Okay, I agree. And by the way, Mitchell Trubisky, whenever he was number three overall QBR, they had him moving a lot, which is why everybody was confused why they just had him parked in the pocket. Now, was that Mitchell saying that or was that Nagy and Pace deciding that? I mean, that's to be decided, I guess, here. But if they let Justin Fields do Justin Fields' thing after, you know,

Andy Dalton does Andy Dalton things, that's a recipe for success over there. Hey, that's a recipe for success, AJ. Hey, well, don't you think if you draft a guy that is athletic, runs a 4-4-40, and can throw it, you're going to use all his tools. So, yeah, you're going to run him a little bit. You don't want to get him hurt. But, yeah, it's going to be an option for sure. When he showed up at that pro day, by the way, he ran a 4-4.

Now, granted, it's not combine time. Might be faster. Might be slower. Might be faster. Who knows? That whole thing normally though when somebody visibly puts on weight they're normally slower right so he was probably faster last year when he looked small now we might be completely wrong because gronk came out and was

like everybody's saying i'm small i'm only five pounds off or whatever it's like well you look much differently than your whole thing fields looked visibly different in his pro days he looked absolutely yoked which is good news because he'd probably be able to take some shots. But running a 4'4", with, I think, more weight on him is, that guy's a freak, huh? If you can gain muscle and you can gain speed or keep the speed that you have, yeah, that is huge. That's everyone's dream. That's your goal. But, yeah, usually when you gain, I mean, I don't know how much.

It depends on each person. But if you start gaining 10, 12, 15 pounds of muscle, you may slow it down a little bit. What would you run right now if you had to run a 40? What did you run coming out, and what would you run right now? I don't know. I mean, jeez. What do you run?

I have no clue. What do you run? What? What did you run a 4.4? Depends where you get the times from. There's 500 different watches. What was the fastest? I have no clue. They didn't tell me.

4.59. Was that combine? See, that's different because combine is like an actual laser setup. It wasn't a laser back then. Oh, so it was hand time. It has years being faster on here, I think.

Yeah, but I've never run a time 40 that's documented, so that's just made up. I don't think I was timed to 459 anywhere. 464. That ponytail you had at the Combine, AJ, there's no way you didn't run a 4.59. You ran 17.63 miles an hour. They just did the math, I assume. What is this?

If I ran a 464, I would not have been drafted where I was. Oh, so he's very pissed off about this. He ran a 4.4 in his pro day. Yeah, that's right. Hey, by the way, you wanted me to say you ran a 4-4 and lock it in. We were kind of going down the path here that the internet was saying something different. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's wait one second.

So you ran a 4-4. You had a 40-inch vert? If that's what it says, yeah. Well, it says you ran a 4'6", 4'2". So I don't know what's... The numbers, you can't... Yeah, the jump. I jumped 42.

I'm a two-footed jumper. I'm not a one-footed jumper. That's what I'm pretty good at. Oh, is that what you're driving? Okay, so you... Powerful season. A 42-inch vertical? 40.

When did you start dunking? Were you able to dunk like eighth grade, ninth grade? No, I don't know. Maybe freshman year. I don't know if I ever dunked one foot. Yeah, I could drop step two foot dunk. Hey, you're a fucking freak. Bench press 24 reps, kind of weak.

Is that because you got that beat up boob? Or what is that? You didn't give as much effort on that? No, I gave plenty of effort. That's just the max reps I could do in bed. Was that one you were taking seriously? Because I would assume Schlage and Bobby Carpenter, that was a big meathead conversation piece about you guys, I assume?

Our bench press? Yeah. No, none of us were real. Schlage is definitely a heavy bencher. He's not a guy that's going to do a billion 225 reps. Bobby probably the same way. Bobby's got super long arms, so he's not built for that either. Bro, 40?

Oh, so you just said. You see what he said. I only got 24 because I got super long arms. No, no, I don't. Bobby has long arms. I do not have long arms. I should get more, but I told you I'm not a good 225 bencher. How come?

Is it because you're more like a max out guy? Because it doesn't matter. That's why. 24 is still good there's guys that get like eight or nine or whatever yeah that's as long as you get over like 15 you should be okay oh did brady do more than you i think he did yeah i think he's 28 guys yeah hey i'm gonna let you in on a little tip it doesn't hurt my feelings if brady or someone else benched more than me at the Combine. Just a tip. Is that a tip?

Because people think that's something I would take so personal. Yeah, right, let's get down to business right now. You're kind of flustered right now. It doesn't matter. It's kind of the point where it bothers me that people think it bothers me. I get it. Is something wrong? Is something wrong? Is something wrong? Yes. Is something wrong that people think it bothers me. Is something wrong? Is something wrong?

Is something wrong? Yes. Is something wrong? Something's about to be. Is something wrong? Classic insider spin zone. A little narrative pushing. AJ's going to bash holes in this wall.

Is that on the ticker? It should be on the ticker. Hour two is wrapping up here. Is this me? Oh, Brady Quinn. 24 reps. Tied. Wow.

Has that ever come up in the Thanksgiving? Like, hey, Brady, this is all you really tried to do. This is what you love here. And I stink at it. And we tied. You don't do that at all? I mean, we do that every single Thanksgiving. We actually pull this up on our screen.

Let's go through drill by drill, guys. Oh, and then I laugh at him and everyone points, and they laugh at me and they point. Your family sounds awesome. Yeah. AJ, if you had to run one right now, what do you think you'd be able to run? Six-two. Okay, because that's what guys are running, actually.

Rich Eisen's St. Jude Run Rich Run thing got a chance to see Terrell Davis, Ray Lewis, and then Michael Vick ran a 4.7. Yeah. Jeez. Did T.O. run like a 5.01 or something? I didn't see T.O. was there. He ran a 4.4 or something, I thought. I saw somebody run like a 5.0.

That's someone that's very fast. I was like, oh, I may run a 10 flat. Yeah. That guy runs a 5. That's what I was thinking, too. In my head, I was like, I could probably run like a 5-0. That's someone that's very fast. I was like, oh, I may run a 10 flat. Yeah. That guy runs a 5. That's what I was thinking, too. In my head, I was like, I could probably run some, like if I, I've never run an actual timed 40. And I'm like, I think I could actually do a pretty good thing. Then I watch all those guys run.

I'm like, I ain't fucking ever doing that. I'm good. No way. I think those days are long gone. Seems like the earth is holding you down longer than letting you move as you get older. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show. The fact that you allow us

to penetrate your ear holes every single day, we are eternally grateful. I don't know what you're doing. We get a lot of pictures with the hashtag end of pod squad, which Ty has given away.

How much money have you given away? Over 10 G's. Let's do that again. Let's run that thing back. Hashtag end of pod squad. Ty will pick some winners to give away let's say 5,000 more bucks.

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