The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 422 - Aaron Rodgers Talks To Kenny Mayne, The Pens Lose A Heartbreaker, O.J. Howard, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Aaron Rodgers' appearance on Kenny Mayne's last episode of SportsCenter last night, what was said, where he currently stands with the team and the front office, and where we go from here. They also chat about the Penguins losing an absolute heartbreaker in double OT to the Islanders falling down 3-2 in the series after Jarry lost his mind, Bryson Dechambeau and Brooks Koepka hating each other, and they check in on everything happening around the NFL as OTA's have started. Joining the show is Super Bowl Champion, 19th Pick of the 2017 NFL Draft, Buccaneers TE OJ Howard to chat about his last season, the fake drama surrounding him and Gronk, how his achilles recovery is going, what it's like having Tom Brady in the Locker Room, and much more (25:53-47:17). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

hello tuesday may 25th big ass day hey good show good conversation oj howard's awesome aaron rogers was on tv last night and fucking the penguins might be in trouble let's get to it oh it's a big day because aaron rogers was on sports center last night in kenny main's last ever sports center by the way uh congrats on a hell of a run at SportsCenter, Kenny Mayne. I echo the sentiments that Aaron told you and I assume many others as you were trending alongside Twitter. You brought a great levity to sports that we all enjoyed. Of course, ESPN then asked you to take a 61% pay cut.

And of course, you are now going and probably starting your own thing or joining somewhere else and welcoming, coming into our world, you're going to do just fine, pal. You are incredibly talented. It seems to be an incredibly hardworking man in Kenny Mayne. And also, funny is always a winner. And Kenny Mayne has been funny forever. So congrats on this next stage.

Congrats on your next chapter. Thank you for everything you did with SportsCenter. And I can't wait to see whatever you create, wherever, however, for whomever, because it's going to be a gift from that great brain of yours. Congrats to Helga Rutgers. Love you, Kenny. Thank you, Kenny. But you are not dying, pal.

You're actually probably going to get bigger than you have been in the last 10 years because the internet is going to love Kenny Mayne, especially if you focus on that full time. I'm not sure if you're going to or not, but I think that's going to be awesome. But the big story coming out of that conversation with Aaron Rogers is the fact that Aaron said, hey, listen,

this ain't about Jordan. Hey, I love the kid. He said, I love the kid. Had great times together. This is not about Jordan Love. This is not about my teammates. He said, love my teammates, actually. See, I saw dancing last year. We were dancing, having a good time the locker room's good locker room we actually enjoy the hell out of each other somehow in a covid protocol riddled season in which nobody could sit and eat at cafe in the lunchroom together cafeteria together you can't be in the locker

room at the same time somehow that team was able to bond because they're so close to a lot of success you saw him dancing some vibe it ain't nothing about my teammates here and said coaches love my coaches love hey LaFleur there at the beginning I thought well what the hell are we doing maybe but I didn't know who the guy was nobody knew who the guy was and by the way still nobody knows who the guy is because I think he's had the most successful start in a head coaching career in NFL history and nobody talks about it but he and I get along great great. We're body each other up. We punch each other on the sideline. We celebrate together.

We spent Zoom calls together this past offseason going through the entire first year together to talk about what I like, what I don't like, what we see, what we don't see. We spend time to get to know each other both on the field and off the field. We like each other a lot, and we are very successful together. It's not about the coaches, he said. a lot and we were very successful together it's not about the coaches he said but what people don't understand is it is the people that make the whole thing go is what he was saying it is the people that build the culture it is the people that make a business what it is

although you see football and you see jerseys it is the humans that are there day to day inside of that building inside of that facility making that entire place tick and what i think he was alluding to was the fact that you know it's about doing things the right way and treating people the right way yeah i don't know if necessarily he was specifically talking about everything that was going on in his life and you know with his decisions with the Packers I'm sorry with the Packers decisions on how they've treated Aaron I think this was a much larger picture that goes all the way back and this is not Aaron telling me this okay this is me

listening to what he said everything he says has a reason we got we've got a chance to learn that Aaron is incredibly intelligent he by the way, incredibly thoughtful, deep thinking, and positive, by the way. I think that is something that never gets talked about. He is a very positive person. Now, when he says something like this, you have to think to yourself, what's he talking about? I think this goes back to the same thing

that he and I and the boys and AJ have gotten a chance to chat about on a regular basis. It's about making the place right. It's about doing things in the right manner. It's about whenever somebody like Jordy Nelson wants to come back and play for free, basically, just one more year, I want to be here, not even having a conversation, kicking his ass out the door.

Same thing with Coon. Same thing with Kumro they just did recently. Same thing with a lot of other things. I think this is potentially, and who knows what's happening to people not in the football world, by the way like who knows what's happening in the equipment room athletic training room other things that are potentially going on there and this is by the way not coming from aaron once again have to say that i've not talked to him we are not like that

we do get along i think i think we are on on very good terms i think but it's not like i'm asking him because i have to speak for three and a half hours every fucking day into one of these and it is not right or for me to become that person but i think it's him getting to'm asking him because I have to speak for three and a half hours every fucking day into one of these. And it is not right for me to become that person. But I think it's him getting to a point where he's sick of the way things are going. You can put an end to this right now. We can change the way this entire thing is going. But it's going to take some moments from some people recognizing that they potentially fucked a lot of this thing up. I think he wants, know he very clearly left one

particular group out on the football side into who he loves who he doesn't love i feel like there is a potential you know long list of things that is kind of just stacked on top of each other in jordan love the draft pick not jordan love the human but jordan love being used in the first round whenever you know the entire team just gave their entire souls to make it to the nfc championship they have a tight group we're close you'd give us just one more real needed piece we'll be able to get now actually we're going to prepare four years down the road actually that's what we're going to do so everybody thought that that was what it was and that's why he came out and said it's not jordan love i assume though

that is just another layer on the cake of what the fuck is going on in Aaron's mind with the way the Green Bay Packers operate versus everybody else. And I would assume since he's become, you know, and I'll say friendly with Brett Favre. I don't know if they're friends, OK, because I don't know if I'm the right person to talk about that relationship because I have no idea. I did see Aaron and Brett together down in the Bahamas. that relationship because I have no idea I did see Aaron and Brett together down the Bahamas and that was like two to three minutes after I watched Brett Favre uh take out his driver and hit a golf ball 475 yards geez okay copper all over him vascularity popping look like Popeye he absolutely bombed a golf ball and then Aaron and Brett were talking and I actually even mentioned like hey this is cool or whatever and they they of, I think they both had to put aside their differences.

And they came together now. You know, time heals all wounds, they say. But I would assume Aaron even thought to himself, like, what about what they did with Brett? Like, you know, like, they drafted me. Obviously, let me do this. But it feels like there has just always been this long history of how things go in Green Bay. And it might be because there is no owner, by the way. There is no one person who's in charge and says, Hey, this is my team. And this, this person, we're doing this with this. We're going to do it right by this. We're going to do

it right by this. We're not just going to think about, okay, how do we maintain just whatever our vision is for the next four years, whatever it is, it's going to be like, Hey, this is a place with humans in it. This isn't a video game. This is actually real life. And the team, the chemistry, the people, and by the way, the quarterback matter in that entire situation. It's just very fascinating.

I don't think we're ever going to find out who wants what until what happens. Yeah, that makes sense if you listen to it back. I don't know if Aaron knows how this is going to work out. I don't know if the Packers have any idea how this is going to work out. I think it's fascinating. Kenny Mayne said a couple times, people are going to be mad. This is not what they're going to want to hear. While I was watching it, I was like, Kenny, people are going to be mad.

But literally, I don't think there is a right answer for either side right now because they have no clue what's going on. The boys are here at Boston Corner, at Ty Schmidt. Ty, Packers fan, you watched Kenny Mayne last night. I would assume, by the way, with the way your brain works, you were also a Kenny Mayne fan growing up. Oh, yeah. So watching that last SportsCenter, it was a little piece of nostalgia

for all of us, I think. But the interview, what were your thoughts? And all together on Kenny Mayne as well, if you want. It was disheartening, obviously. I mean, I don't think anyone really expected him to go on there and drop some huge bombshell. I mean, maybe he would have, but I kind of figured it was going to be like that. They would kind of just trade jabs and bits back and forth. But just like, I don't know, you look at it and it's like you said, there's no end in sight.

Deadlines create decisions, I guess. Once June 1st comes out, we'll figure more about this. But nothing new happened that we didn't already know. And to your point again about I hadn't even thought of this, but they get rid of his quarterback's coach who he really likes. You assumed in most situations, if you have an elite quarterback, I feel like at most teams that guy would have a say in who his quarterback's coach, who he really likes, who you assumed in most situations, like if you have an elite quarterback, I feel like at most teams that guy would have a say in who his quarterback's coach is going to be.

Clyde Christensen, by the way. Exactly. So it's just like, I don't know, you hear more about this stuff, and we've been following it the whole time, so it's not like anything's new, but it is just disheartening because, you know, time heals all wounds. You hope that, okay, he's got away from the whole thing. He's on vacation. He's enjoying himself.

Maybe, you know, there can be like a meeting of the the minds but it doesn't seem like that's anywhere near close now steven a smith said this morning and by the way we are all steven a smith fans over here so when steven a speaks i think it's coming from somewhere he's been around a long time he makes a lot of money yeah for good, by the way. He is a conversation starter. Who knows how everybody feels about him at all times. But over here, we enjoy what Stephen A. Smith does. I actually asked the NFL to include Stephen A. in the MVP video announcement for Aaron Rodgers in the social thing because of how big of a fan I am and we are of Stephen A. And I just think he works

his ass off which is really cool but he came in uh this morning on first take and he said i have on good authority and then max even popped in there and said hey no this one steven a says on good authority yeah you know what i mean it's gospel you've never been listening yeah you know what that means i found that very funny. I was like, okay, so in the production meeting beforehand, Stephen A. told Max, they told like, hey, this is what I was told by who, and then Max was like, and he said, well, I'm going to make sure motherfuckers know this is coming from a real good spot.

Double down. Whenever he says it, he says, I have a good authority that Aaron Rodgers walked into an office and they told him basically shut up and play like hey we'll worry about this you play now listen i don't think every football player should be able to have say in the decisions that are made in billion dollar franchises and teams and everything like that okay i don't think every player should have that i i don't think anybody other than a quarterback position in the nfl should have any say in not yet maybe aaron donald like if aaron donald decides like hey i would like to make some

like i think you have to earn your way into that conversation i got a chance to watch it with peyton obviously uh andrew i wanted andrew to do more of that, actually. I think that was something a lot of us in the locker room that saw Peyton operate, wish that Andrew, like, hey, Andrew, you can go in there and say, no, I want this guy. No, I want this guy. You can do that type of stuff. We didn't tell him that, obviously, because we're kicker and punter, Vinatieri. We should not say that. But we thought that while watching Andrew, Andrew. Wish he had a little bit more asshole in him. Wish he had a little bit more, nah, we're not doing that.

Why not? Because I don't want to do it. I'm fucking your quarterback. If I don't want it, we don't want it. This is just how it's going to go. I'm not going to abuse my power, but there's going to be a couple things here that if I say, like Griff Whalen, for instance,

him and Andrew, whenever Griff was on the field, if there was a third down that we needed, Griff Whalen might have been just activated the day before to play on special teams. If Griff Whalen made his way onto the field, Griff Whalen was getting the ball on third down for a first down because he had been doing that at Stanford for three years straight and he was his roommate or whatever. So like, that's one of those decisions where I wished Andrew knew what he was able to do I wish Andrew knew that he the power that he really did have if he wanted to have it now with that being said Peyton and we wished

Andrew and Andrew wasn't like that by the way Andrew was just a hey let's play football I'm here to play football they make the decisions I'm just focusing on football which is cool 100% cool I wish he would have been a little bit more of an asshole, but he was just super nice, great teammate, but I wish he was a little bit more demanding. We had an owner, though. So, like, if Peyton really wanted something, I assume he would walk right to Jim

Mercer's office, and he would say, hey, this is how this is going down, or he would probably do it a little bit more diplomatically. Hey, is there any way we could potentially do this instead of doing that? And Jim, brother parts. What's going on? Why all the guys are mad?

You know, there's that situation that can happen. Now, Mark Murphy acts as the owner, I guess, right? He acts as the owner, but he doesn't. He is not the owner. So I guess you would hope that aaron would be able to walk into marks and say hey is there any way that we can try this instead of this is there any way we could try this instead of this and at this point i think aaron has earned the ability to have that conversation and there's some other people who've come out and said like that's not how the nfl works

or whatever like maybe not for you motherfucker you're not a mount rushmore in the history of the nfl this is aaron rogers tom brady by themore in the history of the NFL. This is Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady, by the way, he was one of the main reasons why he was like, I'm done with this. By the way, he goes down to Tampa. They win a Super Bowl as soon as they start listening to him. Just something. Now, Bruce Arians said, shit, if Tom asked me, he doesn't want to throw in.

Hey, Tom, I don't give a fuck. Listen, we're going to work here. We need to know the offense. We got to do that. But hey, if you want this because B.A. said, I know who the top two wide receivers are going to be. If he wants to pick the offense. We've got to do that. But, hey, if you want this, because B.A. said, I know who the top two wide receivers are going to be. If he wants to pick three, four, and five, that's cool with me, but I know who the top two are or whatever. I'll let Tom do that or whatever.

Like, that's the relationship, I think, that everybody around the NFL who is a super-duper face of a franchise, elite quarterback, going to be in the Hall of Fame definitely, would like to be able to have those conversations because ultimately at the end of the day, it's that person on the field trying to make the play. That is that person on the field who has to take and be basically, I mean, the coach gets it as well, but the quarterback is the one that's going to be judged ultimately on all of the decisions that are made around him. The quarterback position is one, it's called the greatest team sport in the world because there are so many different people that are made around him. The quarterback position is one, it's called the greatest team sport in the world

because there are so many different people that are involved on a team, from the kicker and punter to a safety linebacker to a nose tackle. I mean, just, you get it. It is a combination of efforts of a lot of people, and they all have to be in sync for something to happen. Mark Schleyer has told us

that for a number one wide receiver to get the ball, the center needs to snap the ball, the tackles need to protect the quarterback, and the quarterback needs to accurately deliver a pass for the number one wide receiver to get the ball. Number one wide receiver, very, very, very, very important, okay? Everybody else, very, very, very important. But when you talk about the quarterback position, they are judged solely on their wins and losses which is such a better indicator of the team around them than it is about them themselves now that the quarterbacks have learned this they've seen this this is now how everybody's going to be judged on how everything

works my legacy is going to be defined by the number of i do this i do this i've worked my ass off since i was a kid to get to this point now we're talking about how we'll be written in the history books and everything like that. You could see how guys would be like, is there any way we can get this guy in here? Is there any way we can keep this guy here? Why? Love him. Don't overpay him, but love this guy.

You could see how somebody would finally get to the point where they go, what the fuck's going on, dude? And that's the world we live in. Old school people hate this. Players play, coaches coach. It's like that was cool in high school people hate this players play coaches coach it's like that was cool in high school and little league but this is adults now where a lot of

money is made and by the way there's a lot of football iq aaron i think is he older than the floor i don't think so close to the floor right aaron's been in the nfl longer than the floor has been in the nfl so let's assume that his brain is also a pretty good one when it comes to decisions when it comes to playing football so the people that say like no that's all you're just supposed to do this you're supposed to do this cool i think there are players that just enjoy doing that and that is a way to go about it but whenever you're invested you want your quarterback by the way to want to make decisions like you should want aaron to want to be involved in like hey this is this is better for

all of us this is better for all packers, Hey, this is, this is better for all of us. This is better for all Packers. This is better for our building. This is better for our team. Curly Lambeau right now would be pumped about everything that's going on right now. If we do a couple of these things and instead the answer, it seems like we don't know personally is like, uh, keep your stupid shit to yourself. You're talking about one of the smartest players in the history of the game. Like smart as in football cerebral. He's the host of fucking Jeopardy. I mean like smart guy.

Let's assume his opinion should carry weight. And if you were somebody that was in charge, and John Lynch said this about Kyle Shanahan, he said ultimately in the contract it says that I, the GM, make the final decision. But if I'm picking a quarterback, I would be very stupid to not ask Kyle Shanahan what his thoughts are on the quarterback so this is very much a group effort and that's what you want to see right you want to see somebody in charge who's okay with listening to other people's ideas or opinions and I think if Aaron Rodgers has an idea on what wide receiver he likes throwing the fucking ball to I would assume that he would like to be heard about that. And if you were somebody who's making a decision,

why would you not listen to the guy who has to make the throws, who's been here for 16 years, who you've paid a lot of money, who's the face of the Packers at this point, and he's also the guy ultimately who's going to have to work with this person. Why would you not want to unless you were just a stubborn, I don't want to say narcissist, but stubborn person who thinks that they know smarter than everybody else, which I guess maybe that's what you have to feel

if you're a general manager in the NFL or president in the NFL. Well, and I guess if you don't have an owner, that ego can kind of get inflated until you start thinking, well, I'm the de facto owner of this team. But that's what's so irritating and frustrating is because he's not asking for autonomous power. It's just like, hey, I just want a seat at the table. I just want to be able to throw my two cents.

And I don't think if he doesn't get what he wants on every single – like he's not asking for roster control. And you go back to how public it was after LeFleur got hired. He kind of just said, you know, he had just come off like this rough ending with mike mccarthy's like hey i just i'd like to be involved and or at least know who you guys are going to interview yeah exactly and the quote that came out from mark murphy was just like hey you can't be the problem like just don't be the problem and then by the way people were talking as if mark murphy was right there like yeah aaron is the problem because there's what what, two, three teammates

that Aaron didn't get along with or whatever, and they've gone to the media and painted the picture of this guy being a terrible guy, and he has chosen to never answer. Right. Which I think the people who probably don't like him should respect a lot more that he refused to bow down to bullshit stories about him

and decided to kill them with indifference. He actually told us that. First question I had for him when I met him down in the Bahamas, first time we ever sat down and chatted. We had followed each other on the internet, on Twitter. We had a relationship, but we had never sat down and chatted or whatever. So five, 10 minutes we're talking, I feel like, okay, we're comfortable. He gets me, I get him.

We know each other, right? We follow each other. We know each other. Okay, I feel okay, we're comfortable. He gets me. I get him. We know each other, right? We follow each other. We know each other. Okay. I feel like we know. He knows a lot more about me. I don't know much about him, but I feel like I can say something. Why don't you ever, I literally just, why don't you ever come out and say like, hey,

that's bullshit or whatever. And he was like, I have to answer everything that's ever said about me. Like, it's not, that's not something I want to do. I decided long ago i'll just kill him with indifference or something like that i'm like i wish you would have came out a long time ago and said that you were just going to kill him with indifference because that's a great line i would have loved hearing that but also in doing so which is a respectful move by the way i respect it just like hey i ain't got the time to deal with the bullshit

like i i don't have time to deal with it and those things all mount up especially with the way the internet is so they all kind of combine on each other snowball effect they just kind of go and go and go and he was just like no i don't really i'm not fucking answering any of that i don't what they make something up and i gotta come be their little puppet i ain't doing that like i i have so much respect for that and the people that probably hate him if they heard that that is how we they would almost have more respect for him than they ever imagined i think that's why our conversations with him this year were so important like i'm a big fan of the nfl massive i'd say probably i mean i'm not dressing up and putting my face paint yeah all that i'm not doing that okay i'm not i don't understand that but

i feel like i watch more football than any human at this point, like more NFL football during the season. I literally try to watch every single game. I don't watch the Red Zone channel because I think they are a communist organization, maybe even terrorist organization, who tried to eliminate a hardworking individual who is also accomplishing their dreams, the punter. They never fucking show it unless it's a punt return. Then what?

We're just dancing on the graves of the punter? So I think it's a terrorist organization. So I will not watch it. But also, you can't get the flow of games. And it's very difficult to watch eight games at once, too, by the way. It is very difficult. You don't really get the flow anyways. But I love the NFL.

Absolutely love it. There's a lot of other people out there that do as well. That's why the NFL is the NFL. But I absolutely, as a fan of the NFL, watching Aaron Rodgers play, it's like, hey, I'm a fan of that fucking guy. Every player you hear speak, by the way, in every sport, they're like, Aaron Rodgers is a G. Like, yeah, that guy is a guy, right?

NBA players come out and say it. I assume NHL guys, they never talk. They'll come out and say it. But Aaron is a guy I think a lot of people respect. I would like to see him, you know, continue to do his his thing and i can't wait for him to finally earn potentially the conversation of like hey i'd like this guy to stick around a little bit i like throwing the ball to him yeah and so the thing with the whole front office and his relationship like it's one thing not to go get will fuller but it's another thing to kakumaro and get rid of his qb coach and do all this other shit where it's like hey

you can just keep these guys around just to make this guy happy if you really want it. What about Jordy Nelson? Yes. Now, Jordy went to Oakland and did not play his best football, I guess. He potentially got hurt or whatever. Banged up. So everybody's just going to say he was done or whatever. I guess he really, really, really, really wanted to stay at Green Bay.

Yeah, I would assume so. I mean, literally know in the last however many years like when he got cut like packer stands were devastated well and aaron was too i guess from what we've heard but that i asked some people who know aaron you know and i'm like what is it and they're like the first thing that pops in their head they're like ah like jordy was like his guy like him and jordy were guy guys those two we remember it he was begging to stay took zero money was like I'll take nothing just I want one more year or whatever and like I get the fuck out of town pal he went and took 10 million dollars from Oakland or

whatever and got hurt or whatever it's just like yeah I'm like oh okay I could see how if it's your guy like Andrew Luck if TY right Andrew Luck and TY I wonder if Andrew if that would have been what would have made Andrew come out and be like no no no we're gonna keep this guy if he's willing to take no money so this is not a cap hit at all and he's a guy that i've made highlights with for the last fucking 10 years together and he wants one more year we're gonna do that you know that's one of those things and then that and then there's like then they go and then also and then this and then this and then this thing it's like oh okay so this has just been like an ax, basically, just chopping at a tree here.

Yeah. Keep chopping, you know? Keep chopping shit on it, man. And look what TY said about why he's still an indie, because the owner called him and said, hey, how are we going to get this done? People go through many changes as we get older, isn't that right?

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No. Minus 30. Well, if it starts around 30, this is one of those questions on a test where, you know, begins around 30 in the testosterone production declines by roughly 1% per year. So does it start at zero or does it start at 30? That's the thing.

This is where they can get you. It's one of them damn word problems. This is one of those ones where you're like, oh, wait a minute. Which, can I ask a follow-up? Anyways, I was good at those tests because I always viewed it as me versus the fucking teacher. That's right. I don't know what's going on,

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bouncing back from an Achilles last year. Ladies and gentlemen, stud tight end for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, O.J. Hart. Yeah! What's up, dude? How you doing, man? There you go. What's up? What's up? What's up, Pat? How you doing, man?

I'm great. Thank you so much for joining us today, man. I appreciate this so much. Thank you for taking time out of the day and joining us. First time getting to chat. Congrats on everything. How's the rehab? How's the Achilles? How do we feel going forward? Man, first of all, I appreciate you for having me on the show, man. Everything's going good. 90% right now, man. The recovery's going well. I'm

just grinding, rehabbing every day. So it's going really good. What is the rehab like immediately? So the Achilles, I've seen this thing happen, right? I've seen the Achilles happen in practice, and it's described differently. It's like some people say they hear a loud thud or a sound bond. Did that happen to you? Well, when my teammate, Keeson Vaughn, scored his first career touchdown, so it was loud. It was a big touchdown in the game, so I didn't hear anything.

I just felt it. It felt like a guy kicked me. So I turned around looking like, man, who kicked me? I tripped up. And when I got to the sideline, I told the trainers, man, somebody kicked me in the back of my foot. And he was like, man, nobody was around you on that play juice. I was like, damn.

I remember what Kobe said, Kevin Durant said. I knew then what it was, man. But it feels just like that, like someone either shoot you or kick you in the leg. So you were able to walk your foot thin and dangle, or you just were adrenaline just powering through as you walked over? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, adrenaline was just taking over because I started to put pressure on it and the sensation never came back.

So I was just limping. And I was on field goal extra point we just scored a touchdown so I'm telling the guys like no hey somebody come get me I'm not I'm not staying on the field and I limp off and I'm like man somebody kicked me in the back of my leg and the trainer's like no bro and I'm like damn I tore my Achilles yeah hey I hate that it happened but it is always interesting to hear because that injury is much different than everything else. Like the way it happens, sometimes it's non-contacted. Some people hear sound, it feels like they're kicked. And then all of a sudden it's one of the most devastating injuries there can be.

Whenever you get in there and you have your surgery, what does the doctor say to you? How long is recovery? Are you back active running and everything like that at this point? And how's your mindset going into next season? Yeah, whole process was uh you know it was COVID so I wanted to go to Green Bay and go with Dr. Andrews but I talked to him he was like hey nowadays this surgery is is man you guys bounce back 100% so uh there's a doctor you trust that can do it and and go with him you know you can come to me but with COVID man you don't really have to a lot of people know how to do the surgery so it was only a 20 minute surgery i was in there 20 minutes came out went home the same day uh but it's a six to eight month recovery i'm now

on my uh eight right now is it six to nine but i'm sorry i'm on month eight i'm running full speed uh 90 so it's going along really well hey shout out science huh they're just popping in fucking new achilles out of nowhere and shout out man it's crazy how they do it man it's crazy 20 minutes did you um did they give the countdown from 10 seconds during the surgery whenever they gave uh that uh the night night sleep in there what you get to anything good man you know what we were just talking casual these guys started crowding me'm like, why are y'all crowding me? I'm like, are we in a football locker room? They started laughing.

Next thing you know, I'm asleep. Oh, dude, it is. For people that have never got the surgery or had to experience surgery, congratulations, by the way. But they put that shit in. I don't know the exact name of it. Do we know what the name of that is? It's something.

I don't know. Anesthesia. Anesthesia. Anesthesia. Every single doctor that I've gotten surgery from, they talk shit to me, too. They're like, you ain't going to be able to handle this. I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, count down from 10. You won't make it to 6.

I'm like, 10, 9, out. It's over. It is over. And then you get back out. Happy to hear you're back and ready to go. We're talking to OJ Howard. OJ, you only got to play four weeks last year, right, in the regular season? Is that what happened? That team, I think, down there hadn't figured it out yet offensively. I think, like, kind of putting the pieces in there, but with COVID,

with no preseason games, with no ability really to do much during the protocols, it felt like it hadn't really got there. Whenever you guys were in those first couple weeks of the season, did you know, like, hey, there's too much talent around here for this not to start clicking or was there ever a time where it was like will we ever get to the point where we'll hit what will it be like next year did you ever was there ever that thought early in the season did you guys kind of know all along it was coming yeah man it was i mean that's the reality of it we never had a lot of time to practice because of COVID.

We couldn't be in the facility. So it was like, all right, we got to figure it out, got to train the camp. I mean, Tom does a great job of, like, you know, having his terminology and the way he wants people to run routes. So that helped us out a lot. But, you know, we had our struggles. It was a one day, and it's documented, man, a practice on a Sunday. We threw – we had – offense had, like, so many turnovers,

like fumbles, drop balls, all kind of stuff. And our coach chewed us out. And, man, ever since then, it clicked. You know what I mean? But it didn't roll over, like you said, until the season immediately. But, I mean, it just – it was a process because nobody knew each other. A new quarterback that was with someone for 20 seasons. So, I mean, it just took time, man.

But, like you said, we were just so talented that we all knew it's gonna click and then when it does we're gonna be unstoppable hey ba's ashton's are pretty impressive too i was a ba was it somebody else ba man like i mean i they're not that particular day but uh it was one day in training camp we weren't hustling or whatever he said and and so literally he made all of us line up at the end of practice and run sprints, man, like progression, like 10-yard sprints. And then somebody jogged, running again. He's cussing us out, ripping us. I mean, Tom's out there running with us. I'm looking down like, shit, Tom's running.

I got to run. You know what I mean? So we all running, man. And I think that was a moment we knew, you know, our team, we got a bond, man. You know, our coach didn't take no slack from us, treat everybody the same. And like you said, he going to shoot, cuss you out no matter who you are. Well, I think that's why B.A. is always B.A., you know, and I think that's why all of his players respect him.

You know, he's always B.A. So it's like there's always going to be that respect there. And what you said in that last sentence there, by the way, the thought of him making you run like gassers like it's either college or high school is awesome. That is so awesome to think about. Because in his head, he was like, oh, these motherfuckers think they're like, and he was getting worked up almost like, oh, these guys think they're big time or whatever. Make it happen.

But you said something very important there, I think. You said you looked down and you saw Tom running with you. Right. And I think that's the thing about Tom that doesn't get talked about enough. And I mean, I guess it is now at this point because of like, it seems to be a much more positive Tom Brady press cycle now media cycle, as opposed to it was for a long time. But that whole thing in new England, where he would sit in those team meetings, they would laser bill would laser point Tom and chew him out. immediately sets the tone to everybody like hey Tom Brady's getting fucking chewed out right now you all have to deal with it that is something that I think every building would want inside of us like hey we want a guy like that as Tom you think you were

there before Tom and now you're obviously there post Tom has the entire building's culture you think potentially changed because Tom has come in there? Like, I'm talking athletic trainers, equipment, man. I'm talking everybody. As soon as he showed up, did you feel that? Is that something that's real? Real.

Super real. You can feel it, man. I mean, it wasn't even me. It was guys that were there years before me. I played four years before he got there or three years before Tom came. So I knew the culture. And then as soon as he walked in the building, it felt like I told people, I was just like, bro, this feels like Alabama to me.

Like we're coming in with the mindset. We're focused. Guys are ready to win. We're going on the field knowing we're about to probably go in. We're confident. We got the talent. I mean, Tom just brings a level of confidence to everybody, the way he carries himself.

And then most importantly, man, you know you got this guy on your side. We know what he do late in the games. You know what he's known for. So, I mean, everybody's confidence went up here. You don't want to mess up. You want to always get the ball, so you're going to do what he asks. Like, come flat on the route. He don't need to tell me something five times for me to know it.

He says it once, I'm remembering it. You know what I mean? So, everybody took that mindset and we bought into it. I mean, it ultimately got us to Super Bowl and we're trying to go get number two, man. We will definitely talk about your time in Alabama because that place is so fascinating, I think, to everybody that watches football.

Who knows how that place just continues to pump out. Just, hey, we're going to be better than you. We're going to get 45 people drafted. We're going to be better than you. This is just how it's going to go, by the way. It 45 people drafted. We're going to be better than you. And this is just, this is just how it's going to go. By the way, it's a factory Clemson. He can come in. Trevor Lawrence is gone now we're back. All right, here we go. We're going to do this whole thing. That's kind of what it, we will get to that. Uh, but going

into this next season, you know, coming off an Achilles, uh, I would assume that you're pretty hungry. I would assume that this is a big time year for you. You've got a chance to watch now, right? You got a chance first class or first front row seat to see what the team can do. Tom has talked openly about giving up two Super Bowl rings to get the perfect season back. He said, I would give away two Super Bowl rings if I could go and have that 17 and 0 season or that 20 and 0 season or whatever back. Has that something has that been something that's kind of rippled through, maybe group text messages or whatever? It's like, hey, although we won, this window's short.

We don't know how long this window is. And there's only one other team in the history that's gone undefeated. Has that even been something that's talked about or is it kind of just understood at this point? It's understood in my opinion. I know with me and my homeboys and people that I talk to, I talk about it all the time. We haven't put in a group message yet with the teammates,

but I'm telling my boys like, bro, like look at our team, bro. Like literally we have one of the best teams of all time. I'm playing with Antonio Brown, Mike Evans, Chris. I can go on and on. You know what I mean? So it's like you look at the, on paper, it's like these guys really have a chance to do something really, really special, which is go undefeated, you know? But then most of you do look at us on offense.

That's cool. But when you look at our defense, they're elite. They are elite in defense winning championships. So, I mean, it's on us. You know what I mean? But we really got to buy in. It's going to be hard to do. But if it was to be a team to do it, mean we got we got we got the paper man we got it

on paper to do it bro hey why not us dude why not us man why why hey i see those bums popping champagne from the dolphins team they didn't probably they probably at some point thought why not us if and that's i think that's been the coolest thing watching this off season is the giselle asked tom what more do you have to prove or something like that? And then that was like the conversation. It's like, what does Tom have to prove? And then Tom Brady being Tom Brady, he has somehow found a way to put something in there. It's like, well, I mean, I have one more name, buddy. I went everywhere I go. Oh, but I haven't gone perfect yet. I've got to go perfect. And then it's like, boom, laser focus locked in. Here we go. I'm

going to go perfect or try to at least that is very cool i'm sure you're enjoying the hell out of it i'm talking to oj howard tight end tampa bay buccaneers um there was a little bit of a report that you hated gronk you fucking hate him you hate rob gronkowski you want to fight him oj you hate that guy i i love that guy man that's my that's my, man. Hey, listen, if you can ask him anything about me, he'll say, Juice, that's my guy, man. I mean, it never was ever, you know what I mean? Because, you know, the whole mindset coming into when he got picked up with our team, whatever, he got traded, whatever happened,

we got a message immediately from Tom to all the tight ends that were already there, like, boom, you guys are going to love him. Look great, loving guy, hardworking, boom. And that was all we needed, man. And I never even took it as a competition. I knew, you know, in my career I was young, had a lot of injuries. You know, I need to grow as a player. I said, what better way for a young player to get behind Gronk and be a sponge?

And that's all I did last year, man. I was on the road, bro. I was having a great year, man. Unfortunately, I had an injury. But, you know, Gronk, he's he's cool man he makes our room so fun I mean the coach can't do nothing with him we're always joking I mean how could you hate on a guy like that okay so that kind of got blown out of proportion then completely whenever you had to have seen it did you see it out there see see what like the drama whenever they brought in go oh OJ Howard's not happy that

Gronk was brought in did you seej howard's not happy that gronk was brought in did you see all that or oh yeah oh absolutely absolutely because the typical mindset of a person would be they're coming in to replace me i didn't do that man because i knew the year before it was 2019 my first year in the offense we were typically blocking a lot and as a tight end in that offense so i was like shit man this is an opportunity for gronk to come in and help me be able to take some of the load off of me. And I couldn't complain about that. It was a big load.

I was playing 60, 70 plays a game, and 50 of those were run plays. So I needed someone to come in and take the load off me. And he helped me out, bro. So I loved it. Hey, Juice, you're playing tackle out there. Welcome to the NFL. Yes, sir. Let's talk about Alabama. What what is it why is it how is it what like what why is alabama alabama oj man it's it's it's ultimately like the it's like the epitome of a football university literally like when i was i committed

in 11th grade i committed early i got I got an offering in July of 18th. Hey, you were a stud in high school. Hey, Juice. Hey, Juice. You were a stud in high school, huh? I was pretty good, man. I was pretty good. I could imagine.

But, I mean, I was in there with my parents, and they didn't even know. They were like, I was at the camp as a high schooler, and someone pulled me and said, hey, man, you don't need to do the camp. Coach Saban saw enough. Come upstairs. He want to talk to you. So I'm like, oh, it's about to happen probably. So I go up there with my parents.

He offers me. And before he can get out of his mouth, we're going to – I commit. This is not how you're supposed to think about it. My parents are looking at me like, what are you talking about? We don't know about this. I'm coming here right now, Coach. He's like, you sure? I promise.

So, man, that's all you need to know bro but bama i mean we're going against the best players every day so it prepares you for the next level bro coach saving the same way he treats everybody the same coaches get chewings players get chewings equipment staff training staff it don't matter you know so we got we got a whole bun at bama man and we just want to win so uh if you want to win a championship be a part of a great organization commit to University of Alabama I mean they don't need more recruiting help all right fucking take it easy I'm not turning this platform into a pandering you hear me like that you cannot use this as a recruiting tool for Alabama not that every championship game isn't one the 30 for docs, the videos that get displayed of what happens in that locker room,

the barbershop, the spa, the sauna, the lounge. I mean, that place is, it seems like a dreamland. If you're like, hey, I'm looking to make the NFL. I'm looking to learn, get better, compete. It feels like that is what everybody who ultimately ends up succeeding in the NFL is looking to do. They're looking to compete and get better. It just feels like that culture. Will it survive Saban?

Saban leaves, you think it will survive? Say that one more time. If Saban leaves, you think it will survive? Alabama still continues? It's hard to say, man. It's hard to say. Wow. No, it's hard to say because it is.

Because you can ask any coach that was a coach for him or worked under him and players that played under him. It's him. It's him. It's his culture. He brought that to Bama. So I don't know if you can bring in another coach and have the same type of, you know, the same type of leverage in what coach could do and get away with.

When Coach Saban says something to you, it don't matter how he say or what he say. You're going to do it because you know what comes with it. You know, all right, we're going to do do uh we're gonna go extra day of practice we're gonna go longer today we're gonna run a sprint at the end of practice you ain't gonna complain you're gonna be like all right coach i'll do it because i know we're gonna win a championship at the end of the year so it's worth it man i don't know if another coach can come in and pull that card and you're not showing the results with the championships. I just don't know if it can happen. So, you know, that's the type of thing whenever you don't have the resume, but you act like somebody who does because you have seen the way this person acts,

and then you're supposed to go in there and fill in that spot. You don't have the resume or the credibility to act exactly how that person acts, and as soon as that happens, you lose everybody. I got a chance to watch it. You lose everybody immediately. That can change. You just got to hope that the hiring process goes through well and there's been enough guys that have gone through Alabama,

saved their coaching careers, and gone elsewhere. You would just hope that they'd be able to get in there. If I'm from – who's the biggest rival? Nobody? Yeah, nobody really, man. But if you want to just go by paper and go by the fans, you got to give it to Auburn. You got to see Auburn.

Okay, so if I'm an Auburn booster, I'm going to Saban with $100 million. Will you fucking retire already, dude? What else do you have to prove? And then Saban's like, nobody's gone perfect five straight years. That's what I'm going to try to do. Connor, what do you have? Yeah, OJ, I'm assuming you're not going just because of rehab and stuff,

but how do you feel about tight end university and the spotlight they're putting on the tight end position? Man, it's dope. I actually was going to pull up, man, but I talked to George last week. He hit me up, invited me. I told him, unfortunately, man, I got the trip booked with the wifey. Went out of town, man, vacation, got to take it. Can't turn that down. But it's a cool deal um that they're doing i think it's gonna be a lot of learning um a lot of great tight ends gonna be there i really really

wanted to go man but it was literally the same weekend i already booked my vacation a long time ago hey so so i had to pass i told george i'll be there next year though i love nashville but dude i gotta fucking vacation. Go on, vacation. Tulum, bro. Tulum, Mexico. You ever been, Pat? I've never been to Tulum, Mexico.

I have been to Mexico, though. Good time down there. The Mexicans like to have a great time. That's what I've learned. They are very hospitable down there. Yes, sir. Repeat this. I went two weeks ago, and I'm going back in June.

So that should tell you enough right there. Oh, Tulum. That's a spot, huh? Tulum. Yeah, yeah. I'm going back. I'm going back within less than a month, bro. That's all you need to know. It's a great time. What do you like to do other than go to Tulum, Mexico?

Are you a video gamer? What do you do in the off time? I'm a hunter, man. I hunt a little bit. A little turkey hunt during turkey season. Deer hunt when I get a chance. Fish a little bit. I get on the video game every now and again, but I'm definitely, man, I like to get out there and hunt, man. Where are you from originally?

I'm from Alabama. I'm originally from Alabama. Oh, okay. So that's why you were like, I'm going to Alabama. Yeah, man. When he asked me that question, when Coach Saban asked me that question, but I grew up with Auburn, to be honest. But when Nick Saban.

Oh. Pat, so I'm telling you, bro, it was a big controversy in my hometown they're like this kid been an auburn fan all his life all of a sudden he commits to alabama this kid just won an auburn jersey two three weeks ago you know what i mean but it's like one of those things where you got to put your pride to the side forget about being an auburn fan growing up when this man nick savans asked you to come play for him, you say yeah. In my opinion, you say yeah because I knew that it was going to get me ready for the next level. And I had to go do what's best for me.

Hey, listen, Auburn will still have their fans. Auburn could have got you too. Hey, that's on them. That's not on you. That's on them. Tell your town to kick rocks, Paul. All right, go ahead, Ty. OJ, you talked about practicing against the best guys, you know,

every day at Alabama. Do you remember, like, your welcome to the NFL moment, though, when you're like, oh, shit, these guys, either they're hitting a lot harder than they do in the SEC or they're a little faster or a little quicker? Like, do you remember that exact moment? Yeah, man, I'm literally a rookie, and I'm going against Terry McCoy. So I'm not going against him on a horn,

but I think I had to go down on a down block and try to, like, double team to the backside wheel. And this dude just literally just move out of the way. I'm like, dang. And then later on in that practice, I get, like, a little screen or whatever, and I think I'm taking off for, like, showing my load of speed. I ran a four or five flat at the combine. I'm thinking I'm running fast.

I see D lineman and defensive hands are right on my tail. I'm like, hold on, these dudes too fast. So that was my wake-up just in practice the first couple weeks. And then we had hard knocks my first year there in Tampa as a rookie. So all of that was just, you know, it was fun to be there first year, man. And people fast. And that was my wake-up call man seeing big old d lineman run me down trying to run me down from behind was that when you guys were having the kicker problem down

there right yeah that was the uh that was the storyline of that yeah that was my that was my rookie year man we had uh yeah we had a couple of kids we had like roberto and all those guys on the team yeah happy you guys got that figured out could you imagine having that team and then the specialist just fucking it up i mean that would be and that could happen by the way that is not good for the brand if that was to happen that would not be good for all of us so i'm happy they figured it out oj you're an incredibly cool dude juice i appreciate you for stopping by man hey i appreciate you brother i um i like i said i appreciate you letting me on the show man i'm a fan bro i had to hop on here man i had to hop on hey well we're down in tampa i think for the next couple months.

If we're down there, we'll link up. I won't fish or shoot anything, but we can eat some shit together. You know what I mean? Hey, we're going to link up. We can do that. All right, ladies and gentlemen, O.J. Howard. Thank you. Yeah, O.J.!

Woo! Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, as he does every single day, Mr. A.J. Ha? Yeah! A.J.! A.J., what's going on, dude? I might have gotten invited into the Illuminati and I had to hang up on him.

I just saw that. So who was Lonnie sitting with? He hung up pretty quickly. He didn't want this public. No, I hung up on him, but it was close-faced. So it did appear as if he was in a place with other people, though. So that was potentially like, hey, want somebody to say hello? Yeah. Kuchar. Fucking the dude from that 70s shit. Yeah. Ashton other people though so that was potentially like hey want somebody to say hello yeah kutcher

the dude from that 70s yeah ashton wants to say hello where's my car dude yeah that guy business i thought connor's talking about matt kutcher the golfer matt kutcher might be in there too that guy has a lot of guys you're not going to be able to beat either okay listen you can keep you haven't named off 49 guys yet who are all going to decide to show up at the exact same tournament when we're all 60-some years of age. So whenever you do that, then I'll start to doubt myself a little bit. I'm not going to until then.

Actually, Phil Mickelson has inspired me. He's hitting the ball 366 at the age of 50. He's got no ass. Imagine when I learn how to use the driver. I mean, I'm going to be able to hit that maybe 400 yards whenever I'm 50 years old. Maybe 450 in this whole thing. Yeah, you're right. Do you

think if you're able to hit it 450, it'll go straight? Well, when I when it does, I'll decide to do the tournament. That's right. Okay. Good. All right. There it is. That's all we need. That's all I need to know. I'm sorry that I doubted you ever in this whole situation. All right. Listen, maybe I won't hit the ball 400 yards. Okay? Maybe. There's a chance that won't happen. You hear me?

Maybe. You have been stretching though, right? I have been. I've been in a full stretch routine in my Oculus. Yeah. I've been in a room getting stretched in there. You know, they can't pull me, but it looks like they're trying. So I think it's like a placebo almost. You know, I get a deeper stretch in there. I'm getting loose, pal. Golf simulator's going in new office. I'm playing 36 to 72 holes a day.

You got no shot. It'll be over before we can even start. Let's talk about something that was over before it even started. Aaron Rodgers on Kenny Mayne last night. night did you watch it live have you watched it since and your takeaway didn't really learn anything new but still hammered home a very important part of this is like love teammates love coaches just feels like there's been some shit that's going on this has been a continuing message i feel like but he did elaborate a little bit more with old kenny main who's a legend last night.

Yeah, he did. I actually forgot this was happening live. I saw it this morning and watched everything and read it all. Yeah, it didn't say a whole lot. I thought Kenny did a great job. Continue to go at him and keep coming after him and just being honest. Kenny is very, very good. So I give him a lot of credit for this.

Well, and that's kind of what we said at the beginning of this, by the way. It was like, hey, Kenny, they were celebrating as if something was over. It's like, I think he's, I think the internet and Kenny are going to get along just fine. But with that, if he's going on the internet, I don't know, maybe he'll go to another network. I'm not 100% sure. I would like to see Kenny use his brain and create awesome shit on the internet. I think we would all be very appreciative and it'll do well. Businesses will see it and support it, hopefully,

and he'll just be bigger than he ever was in the last 10 years or whatever, but whenever he's talking, I think Kenny and Aaron both know how that conversation's going to go going into it, right? Don't you think? Yeah, I think they, yeah, there's mutual respect there both ways, so they have an idea of how they're going to navigate it,

and Kenny's one of the, yeah. I just, I enjoyed how he kept going after, and yeah,ny kenny's one of the yeah i just i enjoyed how he kept going after yeah that's not what we're here for and that's not what they want they are not going to be happy they are not because aaron's pouring on genuine compliments as did marshawn and sue and everybody like that because i don't think um you know this could this could go one of two ways this conversation here I don't think there's some people that are making decisions at places the places that we held near and dear to our hearts as sports fans for a long long time there's people that are currently holding the reins of the horses

that are running in the sports world at the networks and they don't have a fucking clue where to go you know what I mean those people and it's not because they're bad people I think they're just dumb you know and that that's like and this is not just because of my experience. It's because a lot of decisions that are made that I see and I'm like, oh, come on, man. Like, I love sports. Love, I love sports. Absolutely love them. Love the NFL more than everything else. I love competition. I love sports. I like the characters that are in sports. I am sports stooge. Day in, day out, always have been.

Never saw a Disney movie as a kid. Never fucking played any video games. Didn't watch TV. Literally just did sports all day. At night, I would watch Monday Night Raw, okay? In SportsCenter, right? In SportsCenter, the highlights, the personalities, the way it was covered

and what ESPN was for so long for all of us, you know, it evolved. And it turned into different decisions. And you could tell that there was potential narratives that were trying to get placed, both things that were great for the world and also potentially making sports something that, you know, is no longer a unifier. And I think like Kenny Mayne, and I'm not saying this, this isn't new information, but with my experience with these decision makers, and I'm not saying I'm anywhere near Kenny Mayne's level. Okay. I, I do not believe that at all, but just the conversations that I've had directly,

and I'm not sure that a lot of people have those conversations directly as much as I do. Like, I think I have a lot more direct conversation. I think there's a lot of people have those conversations directly as much as I do. Like, I think I have a lot more direct conversation. I think there's a lot of agents that do a lot of conversation. Me, because, you know, I've had to kind of do my thing. Barstool was the only place that offered me anything. Whenever I retired, they're the only ones that wanted to do any business with me at all. Everybody else basically said no quicker than anything. But after talking to these people, it's just like, and then here and asked kenny mayne to take a 61 pay cut it's like yo what this is sports dude like sports are a celebration like this dry humor comedy guy kenny mayne has endeared himself to every community in the country every community loves kenny kenny mayne's any hood, I was told, by a lot of people in the locker room when talking about people

that are potential personalities and stuff like that. And then they're saying, get the fuck out, pal. It's like, you just don't get it. It's kind of disheartening. Hey, unfortunately for Kenny Maine, though, SportsCenter is not like it was, where people legit have to watch to see what happened to the games. You have to evolve.

I think you have to evolve. They had to evolve. You're out of the games that they can't. You have to evolve. I think you have to evolve. They had to evolve. You're out of the center. And he has. Kenny can do anything. He has shown that he can do anything and evolve with the internet. But I don't know if a job as a SportsCenter anchor, like they're probably sitting there like,

hey, no one really cares like they used to about these anchors. Yeah, I would assume that, yeah, Kenny cannot get paid the amount of money he was making just to be a SportsCenter anchor. SVP. Whatever SVP's gig is, he's like at midnight every night he is people pay attention they tune in for him but for other things on espn i'm not that's not a slight to anybody there you're turning tuned in to watch the highlights and watch what happened in games yeah and i think also with the way content is consumed now you have you have to evolve but i think that somebody could have

thought of at least what 10 to 15 ideas for Kenny Mayne to do? Oh, yeah, for sure. To make whatever he's being paid, not only just like you get it in return, but also probably with Kenny Mayne, I'd assume there are a lot of companies that he's good in every single walk of life. Like that is what companies dream. There had to have been something where you could get creative and be like,

Oh, here's an idea. We can try to, you know, make this. And we have access to clips and highlights and state of the art, everything. So we should be able to make this absolutely incredible.

But instead it's like, ah, we don't know what to do. Get the fuck out of here. Well, and the thing he did, like the main event, those used to be like nine to like 11 minute pieces.

Like, you know, like they're basically like short films. I mean, like maybe he didn't used to be like nine to like 11 minute like pieces like you know like they're basically like short films i mean like maybe he didn't want to do it yeah possibly i don't know maybe but the pay cut it's like hey you just offer skip bala seven and a half million dollars like whoa you can't get 10 that's the evolved thing by the way we're all about anybody making of course a half million to do whatever i'm all about whoever making whatever somebody deems them to be worth but whenever somebody else has to potentially take a slight then you automatically have to start like oh so they like that more than that which is cool because

they both can be great but also let's not just cut that completely out though like hey we need that type of voice and maybe they'll find a younger version maybe they'll move on but Kenny Mayne had a hell of a run and I do like the fact that in his dry sense of humor fashion he did try to get things out of Aaron because you do feel a responsibility to people that are watching like I think Kenny Mayne did feel a responsibility of like hey I'm getting a chance to chat to a guy that the whole world wants to hear speak right now i have to at least give my effort and aaron i assume knew that as well though with kenny you know like he knew like hey kenny's gonna have to because if kenny doesn't by the way kenny's no longer kenny like that is and you like kenny so i think aaron i think aaron respects the fact too

how kenny did it and the fact that kenny keep coming at him like aaron probably wouldn't have respected it a whole lot if you legit would not have mentioned anything that is going on right now. It's always fascinating, by the way, when you're interviewing somebody, how you have to bring up the negative shit. It is. And I think people, that's all people care about. You know that.

Well, yeah, but also as a conversation haver, like I'm fascinated in that stuff as well. Like OJ Howard, for instance, with Gronkowski, right? Like that was a big drama. So in the conversation, as it's going, I don't have any pre-idea questions. Like I guess I'll think of some things about the person, but I just want to have a conversation. I just want to have a conversation with the person.

And whatever comes to my mind, wherever we go, let's go. I'm not trying to set anybody up. Like I'm just trying, I just want to like, and by the way, I do the same thing at cafes at airports in airplanes i i do i enjoy conversating with people like i like learning about people and it's amazing how much people will open up to you if you just talk to them by the way it is zito i've heard zito get uber drivers who couldn't even speak english languages like like their kids' names and everything like that. I enjoy speaking to people.

Like, I genuinely enjoy it. But then whenever something in the conversation could potentially lead to something that pops up, like, I was like, oh, OJ fucking wanted to be traded because of Gronk or whatever. So it's like, okay, now how do I get this in the conversation, all right, without completely derailing the vibe of this thing? And with OJ, I decided to go, so what? You fucking hate Gronk. That was how I that's how I would have done it in real life. And that's how we do in the conversation. I so I assume Kenny also,

you know, like he's like, I have to get this in somehow. How do we get it in? So we don't piss off the person we're talking to. But we also owe some people something as well. You know, so it's one of those. it's an interesting balance, AJ. It's a very interesting balance. Yeah, not everybody could do that. What Kenny was able to do, yeah. And what he is able to do still, it's amazing. But through the whole thing with A-Rod and Kenny, I was thinking like, man, how pumped.

Well, LeFleur has – it's bittersweet probably because it's not – he's thinking, hey, guys, when I got hired, it was me. You guys were worried about me and Aaron, our relationship. This is what's going to happen. This is how bad it's going to be. And look at us. And look at me, man. He named coaching staff. I'm one of those guys.

The floor watching that sports center from his desk probably just got done watching film or whatever, OTAs. I think they have no wide receivers there or whatever, I guess, at OTAs right now. That was just reported this morning. He's watching it, though, with bated breath. Oh, what's he going to say? Is he going to say, I'm leaving? No, he doesn't say that on TV, is he? I love my teammates.

I love my coaches. Fuck you guys! Woo! Woo! Woo! That! Woo! That's what I fucking thought, dude. That's what I thought. What if that was the floor?

What if he literally was flipping his desk? What if he was like, you're goddamn right. You're goddamn right, Aaron. Fuck me. I thought we had a bond, dude. I knew this wasn't about me. I told him it wasn't about me. I knew it wasn't about me.

They were like, no, it could be, could be, could be. Because the field goal, they say. Because the field goal. Hey, you kicked the field goal instead of letting Aaron Rodgers, the MVP, go for it in playoffs. Why are you doing it? They thought this was me. Ha-ha! Not, bitch!

That's what I thought. He cracks a bottle of whiskey. He's been waiting to win, like, a Super Bowl for him. Good enough. We did it. We did it. Hey, it's true, though. It is a little bit of pressure off of him, I think,

because people aren't going to blame him if Aaron's not there. Oh, man, that's awesome to think about. Thank you for mentioning the thought of LeFleur watching that last night because I got a chance to really experience that with him. He had to have a blast. Oh, yeah. I mean, that is such a massive victory, I'd assume, for Matt LaFleur. Now, listen, there's going to be people that are saying we're overreacting

because Matt LaFleur doesn't care this much if Aaron likes it. It's like, I disagree. Did you see him do a press conference where he said, I cannot imagine a future? Crush. In the worst way. We want him in the worst way. Yeah, listen.

Did you see our offense last year? That's my offense. Have you seen Jordan Love try to throw the ball into a fucking net? I can't complete a pass. We're a team with Aaron Rodgers, or I'm fucking out of here. Okay, I am. That's kind of what it was. And it was, no, no shot at Jordan Love.

Once again, he kind of took it in there. That was a hypothetical situation. It wasn't real. I don't know if he said that or not, and I don't mean to bring up the obvious blatant misses of that net whenever that video came out. That was poor timing there. But Matt LaFleur and Aaron Rodgers, those Zoom calls,

they said they sat down before the season and kind of broke down the first year in the offense. And, by the way, that first year in the offense was a down year for aaron and as we've all learned down years for aaron or career years for other people and then they knew that was going to grow and him fucking with lafleur on the sideline i like i i thought that was a pretty cool little uh partnership and remember lafleur came out and said i want will fuller too like hey if we can get a gasser and then all of a sudden you know they were shut down both a Aaron and him were shut down right at the line there. Is there a divide?

Is it? Is LeFleur and Aaron just standing at Ginkg's and Murphy's offices just being like, hey, it's either you or us to get the fuck out. What if that happens? Feels like it. That'd be awesome. AJ, tell

us what you know about this whole thing. Yeah. Come on. AJ, tell us. Is that what it is right now? Do they hate? Does LeFleur and Aaron hate the – do they hate LeFleur as well? Do they hate each other?

What is it? Why is this happening? I have no idea, but it is fun to sit there and think about, like, what if Aaron and LeFleur, they pal together. They pal up. They come together. They talk to Mark Murphy and Goody and Russ Ball and everyone there, and they say,

hey, we don't care if you're out of here, but I guess with their camaraderie, it's like Herb Brooks and Miracle. They all have one common goal of coming together to hate him, the coach, and that bonded them together. Could LeFleur and Aaron come together, not their hatred, but what they want to happen, could those two guys together, I guess, make the change that they feel is needed? Imagine in training camp, LeFleur and Aaron setting up the depth chart for certain players to either succeed very, very much in the public days,

and then just being like, well, I can't cut these guys. Cannot cut these guys. It'll be one wide that aaron really wants on the team or whatever for an entire night practice that is being viewed but he'll just only throw the ball to him draw up plays where that guy's just wide open every single time and say well can't cut him now can you all right can't get can't get rid of kumro now? Millions of people have seen this guy just dice up our goddamn defense. Can't cut him now, can you? Is that type of the Kumro thing? And then, obviously, you go back through the Jordy Nelson thing,

the Kuhn thing, the Cobb thing. There's always been these things where it felt like Jordy, allegedly, you might know more about, you definitely know more about subject than I do. Jordy allegedly, you definitely know more about the subject than I do, Jordy allegedly just wanted to play again for the Packers, loved the Packers, loved everything about it, was willing to play for next night. Allegedly, this is all alleged, we don't know. He was willing to basically take peanuts to stay there. They say get the fuck out, basically.

Randall Cobb, basically same type of thing. All these people wanted to stay and they tell him to get out. Is it because of those types of situations, you think? Is that what happens? Is that why you, since the beginning, have been like, this is not Jordan Love. You've said this very, this is not Jordan Love. I said this from the jump.

I said it, you just laid it out there. And I think I heard Shannon Sharp talk about it earlier today. I watched some of their show. Yeah, it's an accumulation. And I feel like I don't know if one thing outweighs the other or what would bother you the most or whatever. But, yeah, one of those things that it should never have got to this point. And I have no idea.

I don't know who has any idea. Like, okay, when and how can this be resolved with green bay is i wonder what aaron would say if someone said hey is it possible is this something we can fix can we find a way to to have you in a packers uniform again starting here in august like i wonder what he'd say well anybody ask who's gonna do we get what do you answer he what's he gonna say like he might have a 30 minute answer for you we need you. We need Miles Teller to ask. Yeah, AJ, FaceTime him. Tell him we're live, though.

Yeah. Okay. Julio had to know, right? With a giant company like Fox and everything, I would imagine Julio had to know. So that was a bit. Yeah. Julio's a pretty good actor. Not bad.

Hey, if that was a bit, that was a pretty well play. It would be sweet if it came out today that Julio's suing Shannon Sharp because he's live on TV. Well, apparently they told me he could arrest him. Five to seven years. Is that real? Into him. That was probably a tweet that said that.

I saw that floating around. Five to seven years for Shannon. Lock him up. What if that did happen? That'd be insane. Crazy. Man, he could have just told him. Is it enough to cover yourself if Shannon sent him a text like, hey man, I'm going to call you on the show today?

I'd assume. But they have to say, cool, I'm good, whatever. I think they have to agree to it. Consent? They would have to agree. It's not just warning. I think it's consent. Hey, by the way, I'm going to fucking bombard you. Get ready. No, no, no.

Yeah, go and do it. I don't know if that works, but I assume Julio does have to say, yeah, all good in there. I would assume that's the case. He hasn't come out and said anything else against what he said. What type of cigar are you smoking today, dude? I don't know. I take the rappers off a lot of them. You all right? Everything okay? What do you mean? Jesus. today, dude? I don't know. I take the wrappers off a lot of them. You all right?

Everything okay? What do you mean? Jesus. No, I'm doing terrible, right? I'm doing really, really bad. Well, yesterday you did easy. I'm good. How are you?

Yeah, I was messed up. I'm well. I'm well. Thanks. Why are you asking? Leave me alone. Okay. Axel just got kicked out of his fucking preschool class.

Picked up a kid, dropped him on his head. Did you watch Penguin's game last night, AJ? Axel just got kicked out of his fucking preschool class. Picked up a kid, dropped him on his head. Did you watch Penguin's game last night, AJ? I saw zero minutes of that, but I was searching around. What other games were on? There was no other games on. There was another game that went to triple overtime, I guess, late night or whatever. But there was a double overtime game last night

that legitimately caused me to go grab a, hey, calm down, gummy, okay, in the middle of it. All right? It was like that. Especially now that the Boston Bruins have already gotten through, okay? Go Bees. So now that the Bruins, okay, are already waiting, it's like, all right, now it's time for the greatest player of all fucking time,

Sidney Crosby, Gino Malkin, and the boys to go ahead and make this thing end so we can go take on the Bruins. We're getting rest days right now. Oh, yeah. Okay? So last night, everything goes go 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, then 2-2 all of a sudden. And it's like, wait a minute. Sidney Crosby seemed to be skipping shifts.

I didn't see him out on the ice as much as I normally do. Geno is back, which is fantastic. Old Rusty has definitely got a snipe scope on his fucking stick. But this team, okay, put 50-some shots on goal last night. And it's a new stat that NBC Sports Network has added just for this playoffs just months before losing the NHL contract which is an incredibly innovative thing to do at the tail end and we appreciate them still putting their best effort into hockey because hockey does deserve it but this guy Sorkin fuck him all right this is the Islanders hockey goalie all

right this son of a bitch he he was blind he had his head like this last night, a deflection. He just kicked it out, literally. Third period, deflection, should have went in. Barn dies, hits him in the pad, he blocks it, okay? How'd you do it? He knew it was coming, they said. He had 17 more of those just in like a two-minute period, basically, where it was just accidental block, accidental save.

The guy was standing on his fucking head at one point and actually twirling and stopping everything we had. And on our side, AJ, in our goal, is a guy that forgot how to play fucking hockey 81 minutes into a game. How? AJ, this goalie for the Pittsburgh Penguins. This is Jara? Jara.

Yeah, Jara. He's at Jara Problems. Okay, that is what he is. And he opens them every fucking time you need them. All right? He does. Jari. Remember, first game, just couldn't play catch.

All right? Just glove side high, which they shot. I think they had 30-some shots last night. 29 of them were high glove side. They were just peppering old buddy's glove, which is very smart, by the way. This guy goes all the way through three periods, two-two, goes into first overtime, makes some big-time saves. Big-time saves in a first overtime.

I was like, this guy's back. Okay, he's balling a little bit. All right, but he's back. He's back. He goes into intermission after the first overtime. I was like, this guy's back. Okay, he's balling a little bit. All right, but he's back. He's back. He goes in to intermission after the first overtime. Okay? They sit down. They probably look around and go, hey, boys, need this one today, boys.

Here you go, boys. Hey, everybody's a little tired. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Come on now, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Come on now, hey. Can't go down three-naps, boys.

Not here in Pittsburgh, boys. Hey, hey, hey. Not in our house, boys. Not in our house. Hey, you're here at a PPG arena. Hey, hey, hey. Let's go, boys.2. Hey, not here in Pittsburgh, boys. Hey, hey. Not in our house, boys. Not in our house. Hey, you're here at a PPG arena. Hey, hey. Let's go, boys. A lot of that, probably.

They'd probably look at Jari like, hey, hey, hey. Hey, good fucking game. Hey, you've been balling today, Jari. Thank you. Seems like you learned how to play goalie in the last couple weeks. Good news. Hey, thank you, Jari. Jari's like, I got you guys.

I fucking got you guys. Hey, not tonight, Jari was probably saying. Sid and the boys are like, yeah, we need another one. Hey, let's go ahead. Let's end this thing quick. Let's end this thing quick. And Jari's like, you got it. You got it. The Zambon had just gotten off the fucking ice. It was as if

there was an inch of water still on top of the ice, how fresh it was. It was crystal clean. There was not a single on the ice at this point yet into the second overtime. And Jari skates

his ass out of the net. Grabs that thing. And I've been told by my hockey friends, you never clear it up the center. Rule number one. Rule number one in hockey. Don't do it. Especially if you're the fucking goalie and it up to center. Like, that is, like, rule number one. Rule number one in hockey. Like, don't do it. Especially if you're the fucking goalie and it's double overtime. You don't.

He passes it to an Islander player. Hey, he passes it to the guy. Whoop. He wobbles back over, slips, falls. Goal over. And everybody just looks at him and goes, why are you the way you are? And here we are, down 3-2. This guy.

And we got a backup to the backup, I guess, because our backup is hurt. His name is Maxim Legacy. Oh. All right, I never heard of this guy, but he's got to be fucking better than the legacy that this motherfucker's leaving. So is the backup to the backup going in?

No. Why? What are we doing? What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same exact thing and expecting a different outcome? Yep. This guy stinks. Okay? Listen. I said it the first game. I said it the last

game. He got real good. Real hot in there, this guy. And listen. I've been a guy that has blown a game for a team it's not good to be this guy jari doesn't love this jari doesn't love that he is now remembered as the guy that completely forgot what hockey is uh in the middle of the second overtime of the playoff game and just passing it right to the other guy and then just giving up a goal to lose the whole fucking thing he doesn't want to be remembered as a guy it's not good for him but as a fan it's like we gotta at least give maxime a legacy why is he on the

team the devil you know is better than the devil you don't that guy stinks well let's get the goddamn janitor yeah from edmonton yes who's that guy i don't remember his name but i think he fucking pitched a shutout for the canadiens and i had to grab him off the damn bone was it montreal edmonton it was in canada carolina and toronto toronto so the damn bone. Was it Montreal, Edmonton? It was in Canada. Carolina and Toronto. Toronto. So the Toronto janitor guy who fucking went in after they didn't have a goalie left, he gives up one early, and then what? He starts standing on his head like that Sorkin guy.

Let's call his ass down to the Coliseum. By the way, thought there was a chance we win last night, and then last game in the Coliseum, by the way, is us knocking him out. Yeah. That would have been awesome. That would have been really cool. No, instead, now they're letting more people, and there's going to be more crazed Islanders fans running amok in that place.

And by the way, they're going to be like, you know, the Coliseum lives to see another series. It's going to be one of those. Don't worry, we'll clean up your mess. I mean, Matt. Hey, shut up. Bruins will get it done. Unlike those Guinos who can't win a goddamn hockey game.

We'll do it. Now, he said Guino. Okay, that's with an N. Penguinos. That's what the Italians have termed the penguins in Pittsburgh. He was not saying Guino with a D. No. Because he did not want the Italians in Pittsburgh to potentially kill his Irish ass for doing that.

But it is a shame. That overtime watch, dude. Oh, my God. As soon as we start. Wait, he fell down? He legit fell down? Oh, yeah. He tried to poach the guy.

The shot was center net, AJ. The ice was too fresh. Well, I saw another guy earlier this week. Did another goalie go back and get the puck? He was back behind the net. That one got stolen from him, right? Which get the puck? He was back behind the net. That one got stolen from him, right? Which, bad decision.

He was caught in an island. He probably felt like an idiot. Definitely bad still. Now, Ovechkin broke his stick over that, and I assume he got it. Definitely bad. This guy, though, wobbled over to put himself into the play. Could have just let that thing go back. And he goes, oh, I got this shit.

I'm going to fucking score. We're going to win this thing. Like LeBron getting up and going over to the area where the fight was. They got to change the game plan, though. The goalie stands on his head. Run the goalie. Run the goalie. First minute of the game. You have to. Set the tone.

There's no one in front of the net. That old school Canadian hockey. He's right. There's no one in front of the net. The guy's standing on his head because he can see everything. I just want to let everybody know the opinions of our Canadian in studio here do not reflect that. You guys want to go down without a fight. You think Jari maybe saw your bet with Flower and said,

I can do that, try to score a double overtime? Because I was talking all that shit too. Jari, I like Jari. Probably a great guy. You almost felt bad for the guy too. I did. After the second goal, they were up,

and then Dumoulin turns the puck over, leaves Jari all alone in front. There's no chance he's stopping that, and then he does that in OT. So does Gump want someone to attack this goalie? Yes, he wants him to do something. It'll be a massive fight, by the way. Yeah, exactly.

Whoever runs... This is a turn of phrase. You say run the goalie, it doesn't mean skate in there as hard as you can, turn of phrase. You say run the goalie. It doesn't mean skate in there as hard as you can. Lower your shoulder. Put it in the goalie's jaw. Hey, in soccer, running the goalie means like, hey, you're running knee right up into him. Take him out.

It means you crash the net hard. You go cause a ruckus. You get in there. Get in the crease. But you are going in there with the mindset as a Kamikaze. Steve Avery. Remember Steve Avery stood in front of Brodeur like this? Sean Aaze. Steve Avery. Remember Steve Avery stood in front of Brodeur like this? Sean Avery.

Sean Avery. There we go. Steve Avery. Steve Avery. Bad guy. Might be getting out. But like, you're getting in a fight, right? You have to get in front of the goalie. Like, that guy could see everything last night. Park your ass in his lap. Well, normally it's Sid. Well, you have to stand in front of the goalie. That guy could see everything last night. Park your ass in his lap.

Well, normally it's Sid. Well, you have to stand there anyway, right? Why aren't they doing it then? They're not. I don't know. They're afraid they can do it. They're getting their ass beat on the way to the net. Everybody shut the fuck up, okay?

Ten people has the answers, all right? That means nobody does. The answer is they're not tough enough. Is that not it, Nick? That's it. Patrick Hornquist was the guy who used to do it. They traded him away. They don't have a guy who's willing to get dirty and go the net like Sid does a little bit,

but then they just beat the shit out of Sid. Thanks for that answer, host of That's Hockey Talk. We had fucking 45 hockey experts in here. Sid's the only guy that does it, though, AJ. He's the only guy that does it. Who does Washington have to do that for Obechkin to hang out there and just fire 900 people? Tom Wilson. He's got 100 people, dude.

The toughest guy in the league, dude. Yeah, Tom Wilson and Charo on the same team. They're on the same team. They couldn't even do it. Charo's not going to park it, but Charo is just going to make sure nobody. Excuse me? Anything going on? Didn't think so.

The Bruins stink, though, dude. Well, that's the thing. We don't. We're the best team in hockey right now. We are going to the Stanley Cup final. You can beat the Islanders if you want, but we'll dog walk Jari and, though, dude. Well, that's the thing. We don't. We're the best team in hockey right now. We are going to the Stanley Cup final. You can beat the Islanders if you want, but we'll dog walk Jari and the boys, too. It doesn't matter. I do have a feeling we do not have the team to win the Stanley Cup, and that is a shame

because I've been saying we're going to win the Stanley Cup. Hold on. Why isn't Sid playing? You said at the beginning of all this, Sid was not playing as much as normal. That seems like the biggest problem out of all of this. That is interesting. Was he skipping shifts last night? What was going on there, Nick?

Do you know? No, I don't know what you're talking about. He was not on as much as normal. Maybe he just wasn't around the puck as much. He looked sad. What was his time on ice? Maxime Legacy actually won a no with a shutout this year. Okay.

It was against the Sabres. Relax. I don't know what that means. The Sabres are a great organization. This guy. This guy. Oh, my God. That's the guy.

Get him in. Get him in. He's 28. He's been around, too. He's got it. That's what everybody's saying. That's the reason. He has a legacy.

Between the pipes. He does have a legacy. He does. His whole family. His whole family. Low-hanging fruit. Yeah. He hit it, though.

Can't they Photoshop a Penguins jersey on him for that picture? Well, I don't think they ever thought he was ever going to get looked at. He was a good stars tarp there. Was he good for you guys? He was not? Nah. Third string. So this guy's a 28-year-old consummate third-string goalie?

How does he make a living? Started in PEI. Who? Started in Prince Edward Island, where he started his career. Really? Give the guy a chance. Chase Daniel, right? Put Sid in the pads.

Okay? Put him in there. Just for the first period to get the boys going. He's not scoring for whatever reason. He did look awful tentative last night. There were a couple of times where he was just kind of having his way, and then he just fucking cycled the puck out. It's like, hey, Sid, we've got to be attacking the net.

Yeah, what is that? Why is that, Nick? Is he hurt? I don't know. You see him do it every – it happens like one game every playoff series where he's just like, all right, I'm just going to one-touch every puck to somebody and just keep it moving, keep it moving. See, that might be why I didn't see him on the ice as much

because he wasn't controlling. 22 minutes. Is that normal? Yeah. Not for overtime. Should be more. In a game like that, it should have been closer to 27. By the way, I thought, okay.

I thought, I mean. Sid needs four more minutes. You missed five shifts. That's five shifts. So he's skipping shifts. What's going on? Is he hurt? Why is he skipping shifts?

Maybe they're trying to rest him. Maybe it's some load management they're giving him. It's playoffs. They're playing for Lord Stanley, AJ. There's no time for that. They're not scared, though. They're not scared, Gump. They know they're going to win the series, so they're just taking it easy on him.

Why do they stink? Doesn't look like they're winning now. So you don't have any confidence, Pat, that the Penguins Brett Michaels is the only one left that has any confidence in his squad? Alright, listen I am still cheering For the Penguins You hear me? Okay

But I just, after watching them Watch some of the other teams It is Quite disheartening to watch What's going on other places If we had Sorokin, maybe we could try to trade for him, like right now. Get him out there. Also, we would like McDavid to bring him on the team.

Perfect. These are just a couple of the moves I would make that I think get us back there. But, boy, I don't know if we got the wagons, pal. And that is frustrating. But I'm going to bet on him like we do. I'm going to bet on him like we do. Every single game. Got to get Jeff Carter buzzing again.

He was fucking just handing the puck over last night. He's the guy that stirs the drink, man. When he goes, you guys go. Yeah, he won that game for us a couple games ago, aside from Sidney Crosby. Some people were blaming Najee Harris' towel twirl as a reason that the Penguins couldn't get it done. It ain't about twirl as a reason that the Penguins couldn't get it done. Don't.

It ain't about twirling a towel. Quarterback's wearing number 50, all right? But let's hope he runs a fucking football better than he twirls a towel down there. That towel was a terrible twirl. I mean, that was. I need to see it. Oh, dude, it was a fist pump. Yeah, it's like a pom-pom almost.

I'm not sure he's ever hit it. You know, you just got to get a little momentum going. And Najdi... Show him the video of Bret Michaels. That's all you got to do. See, now, Bret Michaels does have an elite towel twirl in that video. I think everything else about it is also elite, obviously. Not that I was going to say anything bad about that video at all.

But, like, his towel twirl, you even hear it. It's like a whip. He's cracking a whip around that thing, you know? Nausees was just kind of straight in. He's never been in the stands. He's always in the... Yeah. The critics outside the arena, they don't build statues.

Anyways, you get it. Oh, you just said it to me, too. It don't build statues. Anyways, you get it. Oh, you just said it to me too. It's a great one. The man in the arena? Yeah, yeah. What's that called? It's like 20 lines. You got it. Do the whole thing. Oh, I did not know. I've only known. I guess I've gotten the abbreviated answer.

Yeah, it's called the man in the arena. It's good. Do you know it? I don't know it off the top of my head, but I've seen it a thousand times. What if he did come in with the Pledge of Allegiance to the Man in the Arena? A lot of people do. It is not about the – who did it? Bobby. I guarantee you General Bob has it memorized for sure.

Oh, no. Yeah, dude, it's bad. And Yenzer's – He's passionate. Yeah, that's what Yenzer's will love. Yenzer's will be like, I ain't about to wear on a towel. Oh, look, he got a Paco hat on too. I love Pittsburgh.

He can do no wrong. This guy's going to fit in right. By the way, he was on everybody's mock drafts as going to Pittsburgh. And all of Pittsburgh was 100% on board with him being their mock draft. Everybody was on board with Najee Harris as a Pittsburgh Steeler maybe a month before he was drafted to be a Pittsburgh Steeler as more and more people were like, Najee's going to Pittsburgh, Najee's going to Pittsburgh.

And we all know that that's all potential bullshit at this point, but this one was right. He's loved in Pittsburgh right now. Yeah, the problem was there was no combine, so we couldn't put the towel in his hand ahead of time to see how terribly he waved it. He never would have been drafted if they saw him waving it. He's spitting on Martin Cope's legacy, Donner.

What's that, Dick? Danny Roosevelt was the man in the arena. I don't know if that was said or not. Would you like to read it? Otherwise, we go to break. It's pretty long. All right. So on the other side of this, we'll go right into a break.

We'll see you in four minutes after that. Do a little bit of a phone call. 1-833-4-MAC. Get into it, Diggs. You got to get into it. 4-MAC. I think this is the perfect song for this. All right, ladies and gentlemen.

Do it like it's slam poetry. A reading by Tone Diggs to carry us into a commercial break. Maybe something you should remember when you're at a ball game. It is not the critic who counts. What? Not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles. Oh. Or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena. Uh-huh. Whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood. Mm-hmm. Who strives valiantly. Uh-huh. Who errs. who strives valiantly who is

who comes short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming but who does actually strive to do the deeds who knows great enthusiasms the great devotions who spends himself

in a worthy cause who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

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It's good for golf. In this video that surfaced on the internet of Brooks Koepka being completely thrown into a fuck you state by Bryson DeChambeau's mere appearance is maybe my favorite thing on the internet right now. Go ahead and roll that thing. Of course, I was asking a lot from you today, Brooks. What were you able to do well and put up that nice number? Just ball struck my way around this place.

Thanks for asking. Didn't putt well, but I don't think many guys are going to putt well with this win. It's very tough. Like I said, I don't know what other guys have said. I just felt it difficult to read, you know, sometimes I lost my train of thought.

Yeah. Hearing that bullshit. Okay. So if you're, you're just fucking Christ at the end of that. So for those that are just listening on serious and couldn't watch the video on YouTube, the only thing that happened, it appears, is Bryson DeChambeau

and gang in tow walk by. Might have been metal cleats. There were some people tweeting that DeChambeau said, well, you've got to start it off on the right line after he said it's going to be. I have not heard that on the video. I've not heard the whole thing. But I love the fact that it is very evident Brooks

despises DeChambeau and Brooks despises DeChambeau and I'd assume DeChambeau feels the same way in return. Your thoughts on this, AJ? I think it's great for golf. And by the way, I'm a fan of both of them. Don't know either of them. Fan of both of them. I'm absolutely a fan of both of them and I think this is going to be an amazing rivalry

that we're going to get to see play out. On Sunday, they're paired up going back and forth. It does seem like their approach to the game is very different. Bryson is the most technical, scientific guy working on every single little thing, and Brooks is more of a guy who just lets his instincts take over and let it fly. He's even admitted to getting bored and losing focus during rounds.

Like final rounds of PGA events, this guy's getting bored and he's losing his focus. That's how awesome he is and how good he can be. So I think we're seeing the start of something that's going to be awesome for us. These two guys may hate each other, but we get to love sitting there and watching them. I want to see if it ever gets physical. Well, how about physical would be awesome. If these two continue to build their reverence, it's good for golf.

I would like to know a little bit deeper story on why the hell they hate each other, though. There is history. So starting in 2019, Brooks was criticizing Bryson of taking way too goddamn long pace of play and then bryson said to brooks's caddy tell your boss to come talk to me face to face um and then there was so why did he tell somebody else to tell somebody to come face to face bryson didn't say an interview but that was this was 2019 bryson this was a different bryson that he brooks would win a fight between those two but then brooks was in the body issue and bryson made a comment when he was playing a game online i believe like i have abs brooks doesn't even have abs

and brooks replied with a picture i believe of his two pga championships and said like i have two of a six-pack here so oh so there is real heat yeah and people were calling him brooksy off the tee when de chambeau was teeing off this past weekend, and he was like, all right, whoever's doing that, you need to get the hell out of here right now. Oh. DeChambeau, yeah. Wow.

Let's go. You saw how annoyed Brooks was when Bryson walked by, and he couldn't even finish his thought or what he was about to say, but I just think when, I don't know, man brooks is so awesome like i love brooks's attitude especially at the end of that when the golf channel guy held it he handled it great he's like what do you say like okay now we won't put it on tv like i i literally don't care like he is he is so over answering questions about bryson too which i think i'm sure a lot of other players are as well like when bryson is rolling they that's all probably the first question all these

guys get asked like what's it like to to witness greatness and bryson's game of golf and brooks is like uh has he won anything no okay so it's cool but it's not really that cool and then d chambeau's i hey by the way if he's just stirring the pot and i don't know who's babyface who's heel right now by the way i don't know who's babyface who's's heel right now, by the way. I don't know who's babyface, who's heel. A lot of people took Brooks aside last night on the internet because it was a hysterical, hysterical reaction. Just an incredible distaste for somebody creating a beautiful meme in a moment. Everybody likes it.

But DeChambeau, is he the babyface now because he's big golf ball whacker guy? Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to this show. I know there's a lot of things that could penetrate your ear holes, okay? A lot of them are good. A lot of them stink, too. I mean, there's an abundance

of content right now. The fact that you allow us to spend, you know, some time with you during your day, Monday through Friday, we are eternally grateful for. Hashtag in a pod squad,

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