The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 431 - Coaching Legend Chuck Pagano, Bills OL Jon Feliciano, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 8, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about Aaron Rodgers not being in Green Bay for mandatory OTA's, and what the next steps are. Joining the program is a coaching legend who has had stops at the U, the Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears, and former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano to chat about what he's been doing since he retired, he and Pat share some old stories, and Chuck gives his take on the Aaron Rodgers situation and what he would do to rectify things (25:07-48:08). Later, Bills OL Jon Feliciano joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about the fight he got into with AJ Epenesa at practice and what the environment is like in Buffalo, his tweet about wanting to fight Pat at the next Showtime boxing event for "taking away Toradol," and how it is actually AJ's fault, plus much more (48:10-1:02:42). Later, Pat and AJ shoot the breeze about everything else going on in the sports world, including what they think could potentially happen with Aaron, and more. Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Tuesday, June 8th, 2000 in 21 years after zero. Massive show today. Pagano, Feliciano, AJ Hawk, good conversations, OTAs, mandatory OTAs are happening, mini camps, where's Aaron? Today's a good day. I hope you enjoy the hell out of this show. If you do, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it didn't happen. Ty, let's get to it. the hell out of this show. If you do, please be a friend. Tell a friend. If not, just act like it didn't happen. Ty, let's get to it. Today's a big day because our guest

that will be joining us in about 22 minutes is going to be electrifying. Ladies and gentlemen, head coach Chuck Pagano. Yes! Let's go, Chuck! He's been coaching for like 36 years at this point. He was a coach at Miami back whenever they were Swagger University.

If you don't want us dancing, don't let us in the end zone. I think he recruited Reggie Wayne, Ray Lue. I think he was a part of that whole thing whenever he was at the U. Then obviously he has coaching stints I think in Cleveland, Baltimore, Indy, Chicago, Boise State. I mean, everywhere

basically. I got a chance to play for him when he was a head coach. I got a chance to play for him when he was a head coach. I got a chance to play for him whenever he beat leukemia in one season and came back on the sideline in the same season. I got a chance to go on a USO tour to Japan with this guy. I've had a chance to have a couple of dope

beverages with this guy. I've had a chance to watch this guy raise millions and millions of dollars alongside the Indianapolis Colts for cancer research and everything like that. And I've had a chance to experience. This dude is fucking hilarious. Okay?

This guy, his football knowledge is unbelievable. And however you want to judge him as a coach, everybody that has ever played for him loves him. So I can't wait to chat with him because there's some insight he can give to us on some things that are happening around the NFL right now. At Posse Connor, at Ty Schmitter here. The Hammered Down Boys will be coming in in about an hour. A.J. Hawk will be joining us.

And Jonathan Feliciano. Buffalo Bills will be joining us in the third hour. He wanted to fight me in the next Showtime boxing thing because of the alleged spotlight that I put on Toradol that potentially banned it from the league. What do you mean? It wasn't me, though. It was A.J. Hawk. We all know it was A.J. Hawk.

I've been talking to Paisan, Jonathan Feliciano and DMs letting him know that this was A.J. Hawk. Whenever you come on the show, he agrees it's A.J. Hawk's fault, the man who falls asleep while driving with both feet behind the wheel. Although an incredible football player and good guy, he is a liability in a lot of cases. In this particular one, he got toured all band.

Okay, so me and John and Feliciano will talk to A.J. about that. We'll talk to Chuck Pagano about everything going on here in a couple minutes. But what's going on in the NFL right now is there is mandatory OTA, which everybody calls mini camps. In the NFL, it was mandatory OTAs. It's like, okay, there's OTAs and there's mandatory OTAs and it's mini camp and blah, blah, blah. Actually, Chuck, I think one year since everybody on the team was at OTAs for the entire OTA, he actually got rid of one of the days of mandatory mini camp at the end. Because I think one player joined us late and when he joined us

he was already he was hurt so he couldn't even practice so I think there was a potential we've been here for fucking just get out okay I guess so it's OTAs are very important I think for a lot of reasons and coaches absolutely love OTAs the most because all they want to do is coach hey they just want to blow the whistle they want to boss some people around around. Let's run some cones. Let's do this. Let's get better. Are we trying to win a Lombardi or not? I mean, that's what coaches are doing at all times. I'm excited to hear his thoughts on how he would handle Aaron Rodgers

because right now Aaron Rodgers is allegedly foregoing a little bit over $93,000. He's not going to Mantua Minicamp. He's never done this before. Adam Schefter said this morning on GetUp that as of this morning, his sources have told him, Ty. He is strong as hell in his position to just stay away. And then Schefter follows up, by the way, with take that however you want. Basically, he said, I am not. He was trying to say, I'm not putting any narrative on this at all i

think schefter you know the guy is sources everywhere he is who he is for a reason he is he's schefter he goes i was told as strong as hell in his position so listen i'm not saying it sounds like he's not coming out of the package that's what schefter basically was saying but you can listen to whatever i was told and you make your own judgment is almost what schefter was doing you make your own judgment right i'm not going Schefter was doing. You make your own judgment. I'm not going to do this for you. And this is something now that leads into, are the Green Bay Packers going to fine him this $93,000 and some change?

Are they going to? He's already missed out on a $500,000 bonus, which if you, a certain percentage of OTAs, I assume it's like 80% of OTAs or maybe 85%. Maybe it's a hundred. I have no idea what 80% of OTAs or maybe 85%. Maybe it's 100. I have no idea what it is. Andrew Brandt started that in Green Bay because guys would never spend their off seasons in Green Bay. They'd rather go somewhere else. Hey, I don't like it. I love Green Bay. I would have stayed up there. John Kuhn moved up there. That's right. But they put

that in there. He's already missed out on $500,000. They could find him another $93,000 in whatever, $500 or whatever. But they could also opt out of finding him the $93,000 and some change. And this is the first time in the Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers saga that we are going to have to see a public decision made by both parties. Okay? Green Bay finds Aaron Rodgers the $93,000. And at this point, $93,000, by the way, a lot of money. Would have dreamed of $93,000. But in this grand scheme of conversation we're talking about, $93,000 is a tax in one county in what they're going to be talking about at some point. I mean, this is not that significant of an amount of money. But in the report, the accumulation report that Schefter did on draft day,

if we do recall, we didn't know it was an accumulation report at the time. We thought it was a, hey, it's coming up this morning. The last paragraph or two was basically explaining how the Packers have tried to do everything, three different trips out to Aaron and Malibu, trying to make it right. One with LaFleur, one with Guentekens, one with Murphy. It seemed like it was the Green Bay Packers people leaking that information to Schefter.

He has never said that was true. This is just me reading it and having a brain. It sounded like the Green Bay Packers wanted it to sound like they were doing everything we can to make it right. Right? Yeah. Now, I don't think they had a clue about the amount of fuck ups that they have done, maybe, or maybe they were just blind to it, or maybe they did know it.

And they're like, OK, at this point, we have to try and make this right as much as we can. But if they elect to fine him the $93,000, which, by the way, they definitely can. And if they had 99.99% attendance at OTAs, which I'm not 100% sure what it's going to be. And he was the only person missing. I'm sure there were some teammates that would be like, Hey, he's got to handle his business. But part of the business is getting fined too. So now like viewing it from outside of the whole thing, I don't know what side I'm on, but I do know if they find him and he has to write a check, this would be the first time he's writing, not potential earnings like the $500,000 OTA.

That is money that is not in his pocket. Okay. Not the potential $30 million or whatever's left. That money is not coming. The $6.8 million that has to come out of his pocket that they could get back from a signing bonus if he decides to retire or doesn't play there or whatever that's him having to write a check this 93 000 is him having to write a check so i think this is the first time where if they do find him and he has to write a check let's assume that that's not going to go swimmingly

but if they choose not to find him this money and they're going to make it public that that'll be something that they will very much make public for their fans for their stance in the potential battle that they're having right now in their baby face then if they do that after all this stuff and then aaron you know whatever happens with him doesn't happen he's heel all of a sudden that's a baby face i assume they will eat the 93 000 money that they could get from aaron in lieu of looking like hey we are trying to do we we could have found him 93 that's nothing 93 000 it's a lot of money obviously but that's we chose not to do it this is a scene now that i think we can get a real tell for how things are happening behind closed doors that we haven't really got a glimpse at and to be honest that's

much more exciting than any fucking thing that aaron could do on the field but this is going to tell us a lot i think here yeah it's like the last ditch effort pretty much right because if they go down that road then like you said it probably is completely over and maybe you could see him doing it because now all these different reports are coming out you know one from schefter and then bob domovsky doubles down on it and says like what bob bob said something he said according to his sources like aaron is very dug in about not coming back here strong as hell yeah strong as hell if you will so like i mean i guess you're right i mean and it does seem like you know mark murphy alluded to

the fans being divided already the other day now i think the quote when it's pulled out, does look a lot more like Mark Murphy saying he's fucking tearing up, tearing apart our thing, you know. But I think in the overall context, I think Mark Murphy was attempting to state the obvious. But in doing so, I think he also set up the, you know, the TV's people. For sure. Hey, Mark. So Mark Murphy has to know that that's the way that's going to get up the, you know, the TVs, people would be like, hey, Mark. So Mark Murphy has to know that that's the way that's going to get taken to, you know. So it's like, if you're Aaron, did he not think that he that was obviously going to get I was going to get smeared? Or maybe Aaron doesn't even know, by the way. Aaron might not know that any of this is happening.

I heard Bill Burr say one time they said, how do you deal with getting canceled? And he basically said, like, if you don't look, you don't get canceled. What do you mean? By who? By who, he said. And if you don't see, it's like, it's one of those things. Maybe Aaron just has no idea what the entire feeling is of the whole situation. I'd assume he has to at this point.

You would think. But Mark Murphy had to have known that was going to get used immediately after writing that. And how does that whole thing play out? This is, hey, this is real housewives here, man. This is real. Hey, this is controversy. This is drama. Okay.

Let's put this on TNT. They know drama. The thought of this is a massive storyline, though, because you're talking about a team that could completely stink or potentially be in the NFC Championship. It is wild times, I assume, for Green Bay Packers fans. Yeah, for sure. And like you said, at this point, I don't know why anyone would expect him to show up or come back. I mean, I held out, and like I said last week,

I thought he would end up playing this season and then be gone after next year. But who knows? I mean, I asked you before the show like do you think is 93 000 like if they don't find him is that enough of like a show of good faith you think for him to just drop everything i don't know i don't know time and time again being like no these guys have pissed me off like i'm done and his chef are saying this like hey rogers is holding strong because the packers you you know, want him to know that, get that word out. So when they do find him 93K, it's like, hey, he's holding strong.

We got to hold strong on our stance as well. And we have to find him because he's doing this to the team and the fan base. He's already saying he's not coming back, basically. Strong as hell. Bob Domofsky saying things. So, I mean, we would like his money back then, too. Which, I mean, that worked for detroit yeah absolutely yeah i worked for detroit for a long time there wasn't a curse after

taking barry's money i mean that's that's a good way to do business about eight head coaches and hey that's a good way to do business business hey at the time you got that oh look at that money yeah fuck you we got it you didn't even know that old karma was just waltzing around. Waiting in the dark. They don't feel dumb at all paying that back. No, no, not at all. By the way, Calvin Johnson is about to sell $2 billion worth of dope in two weeks. He'll be good.

I seen his greenhouse up there. That thing is beautiful. Gorgeous. Hey, he's got some big old buds up there. Yeah, megatron marijuana and i'll tell you what i i like big buds and i can't not you know what i mean and i feel like cj up there he's got a lot of them old megatron's growing up he's got a green thumb yeah he does who would have thought not i well he knew it that's why he didn't give a damn about yeah and i think he also

did something down and he built something architectural wise that would say that he would have a great, like a green thumb, something with water. We can look this up. Somebody can look this up. Calvin Johnson. He built something, I think in Africa, some sort of irrigation system. Yeah, I think it was. I think it was like an irrigation system or something like that.

He did something big, I think. Cause Georgia tech, by the way, not like the easiest school. Not like the easiest school. West Virginia, obviously Harvard of West Virginia. Georgia Tech, I do believe a degree from there is rather... Global sanitation. You can say it into the mic. Here we go.

Global sanitation. Global sanitation. Yeah. That was much different than what i thought it was well you would still you know if he's got working toilets and stuff like that you would still need to set up some sort of you know water supply and whatnot i thought yeah because i i see pipes in my head that's what i i saw water and pipes well yeah that's what he said though yeah Yeah, but I thought it was for growing. I thought it was for growing things.

Instead, it's for getting rid of things. So I was completely wrong. Growing the community by getting rid of the terrible things. Strengthening the community as well. They could be using the poop as compost for the... Was this big? That was the angle. By the way, I watched Cruella last night.

Oh, man. How about it? What's the angle? Dude was hilarious. Yes. So good. I thought movie was... Stole the movie. Yeah. I thought movie was night. Oh, man. How about it? What's the angle? Dude, it was hilarious. Yes. It's so good. I thought movie was good. Stole the movie.

Yeah. I thought movie was good. It was good. I thought movie was good. What a turn, by the way. Man. Hey, I almost did what I always do. Okay?

I almost did what I always do. Okay. I got like an hour in, an hour and 15 minutes in. I was getting a little tired. I was like, all right, I know. I know what happened. And Sam goes, what happened? Like, she was so pumped. She like alright I know I know what happened and Sam goes what happened like she was so pumped

she was so pumped to ask me what happened you know because she saw it just two days ago and I fell asleep for the entire thing and I said I get it

and then I was told no I should actually watch it because it's a good movie so I was watching it last night and I go obviously blah blah blah blah blah blah

and blah blah blah and she goes like she gives me like oh okay yeah and then she's like literally four minutes later something massive happens

it was just a complete change I was like oh little twist and then she's like literally four minutes later something massive yeah it's just a complete change i was like oh a little twist here out of disney i did not expect that that was wild it was the second one just got greenlit too it's in development now so thank god cruella incredible character too yes is that for kids oh i don't know i don't know i don't know what's up with disney and off parents immediately in the movies. It was PG-13. I know that. I paused the movie, by the way.

Yeah. Immediately upon early death. No spoilers. Immediately upon early death, I paused it and I go, so this is their fucking thing. They just crash everybody down and then it's like, all right, now that we got them feeling like that, now we'll do something. We'll build them back up. And then, by the way, as I watched the movie, I was like, not a bad play.

Yeah, genius. Not a bad play. Old Disney's made a lot of money off of that thing. That's not the only news happening in OTAs though. I did watch Cruella. Great movie.

Fantastic. It is. Good job, Emma. Yeah. Yeah. There was a couple of scenes where I thought, all right,

we're doing too much here. But the... And Richard Jewell. Richard Jewell crushed. Crushed. Paul Walter Hazard. Crushed. Paul Walter Hazard. Crushed. He's so good.

Unbelievable. What an accent. Cruella was... You're right. That was a great character. Yeah, yeah. I mean, great character. I mean, it was good.

Top notch. Not something I'd normally get into at all. I would have never watched that. I mean, I know like 101 Dalmatians, but I was like, eh, whatever. We watched it, and I was like, holy shit, that is great. Yeah, this is like the Gambit getter. Yeah the uh queen's game queen's game bad harman yeah yeah that's exactly there's another thing there's zero reason for me to watch that or like that absolutely incredible they're not gonna do another one will they no no no way on four

well i don't know if i could act like i'm back into chess either again you know i can only say i don't yeah it was i'm still doing it i'll do it on smackdown i haven't dropped the clothes not yet i've been able to you know open or close cecilia that's his chess play by the way you don't fucking understand because you don't know chess like me okay yeah me and uh what's her name beth harman yeah we i usually seen it we played these eight masters all in the basement of one apartment little shitty little shitty-ass apartment. Greatest chess player of all time living in a shitty-ass apartment down below the streets of New York or whatever, down in the irrigation system where Calvin Johnson put it.

All right, I'm fucking done with it. Big news around OTAs. Obviously not just Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady, Blaine Gabbert, back on the field with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We only know that because it was reported this morning that he was not going to miss the mandatory stuff. And it was being reported because that's just how it goes unless you're currently entrenched in the middle of a contract battle

or situation battle. But Rick Stratton at NFL Stratton, who I have reached out to as of this morning to potentially join the show. His camera work here on getting the first shot of seven-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady back on the field as a Tampa Bay Buccaneer, is goddamn maybe Emmy winner. Here's a clip of Tom Brady and Blaine Gabbert taking five to seven step drops in a rapid fashion. Blaine Gabbert's close to us, smooth. Tom Brady looking quick and efficient, delivering the rock to equipment managers

that are standing seven yards away from them. Blaine Gabbert with a little fadeaway screen pass while Tom does the same. Looks like they are back in full form to win another Super Bowl down there. Shout out to Rick Stroud. Okay. There's a scout down here. Has a hoodie

on down in Tampa Bay. It might be probably a defensive back coach or maybe linebacker coach. I don't know who that is, but it is 900 degrees down there. I don't know how anybody's doing what they're doing down there especially with long sleeves but the tampa bay buccaneers entire squad which was once split between two tiers you're either on team ba kyle trask who's almost as mentally close as andrew luck yeah kyle trask and the boys or are you with tom Gronk, Blaine

Leonard Fournette Mike Evans Chris Godwin, Antonio Brown OJ Howard, Scotty Miller Scoots that's just on the offensive side we just rattled off the offense anyways to became one this morning at OTAs.

And other than that, there ain't shit to talk about. When it comes to these OTAs, I know people are going to try to make something out of nothing here, and there might be a highlight or two. But, man, none of this means anything, I think, actually on the field. Nothing that can truly be judged or truly garnered in OTAs can be judged publicly via video. At all. I think the meetings are incredibly important.

We'll get to that. Thank you, Zito. A.J. Brown will be wearing the number 11 next year. Yeah, he's number 11 until I retire. I tried to give it up, but he wouldn't take it. Respect. Julio's going back to eight then, I assume. Julio said, hey, new chapter.

I'll go back in time. Before we go forward, let's take a step back. I'm going to wear eight. A.J. Brown said, hey, I'll give you 11 because you're OG around here. He said, no, no, no. So now AJ said, if Julio ain't taking my number, guess what? Nobody's taking my number. I am 11 until I die.

Congrats, AJ. Congrats, Julio. Shout out Zito. Appreciate that. It's not hard to get rid of the number 11. OTAs is something, though, that when it's in meeting rooms, what you're learning, walkthroughs, which we'll never see. We see individual groups, you see position. I think you see some maybe seven on seven stuff when social media kind of

lets it out, but you don't see the walkthroughs where all the questions are asked. That's what OTAs is, I think, mostly. The practice, obviously important to get those reps in, but I think that's what OTAs truly brings to the table that really can't be talked about enough, but it's not really an entertaining thing because you can't get fucking video of it. So it's a little bit different. Were your OTAs different than your training camp?

Was it drastically different than what you would have done in training camp and then like a regular practice? Yeah, time's much shorter. The amount of time you're in there, the practices, those dudes at training camps. I mean, it is. I mean, it's needed, obviously, because everybody else is doing it.

So that's the thing. Like everybody has to be on the same set of rules because if it's kind of like a honesty, what is it? Oh, sure. What is that? Honor code? Honor code.

It's come by the honor code, which, hey, you can't say publicly if you're going to rely on it when it comes to something. Who else? Hey, listen, it's not easy being a mayor. No. It is not easy being a mayor. No. It is not easy being a mayor. No. Very difficult. It's very, very difficult.

This guy here in Indy, no stone unturned, you know? Uh-uh. Yesterday, he publicly announced that it will be like an honor code on if you got a vaccination or not. Using the honor code. Okay. Hey, a lot of people have used the honor code for a long time. You know what they don't do? They don't tell people that they are using the honor code because then you you're potentially dishonoring the honor code exactly

because people know that it's the honor code it's like honor codes like fight club you know i mean can't talk about it can't do it that's actually an honor code of fight club yeah he said you don't talk about it i don't know if you need to make the announcement if you ask about the honor code you are disrespecting the honor code. Let me tell you why this is an issue. Okay? Because here in Indianapolis, we are the only NFL franchise that wasn't able to announce that there is going to be full stadiums in the fall.

Yikes. Okay? The only one. 31 other teams, 29 other cities, whatever it is, 30 other cities. Sometimes, you know, carry the one there with who's playing where they all said yeah we're good not here okay for whatever reason you know i mean i think there's potential uh i think he's paying attention to potholes obviously yeah it has to right it has to be they're everywhere okay and i understand that and

we're coming out of court this is not an easy time to be a mayor but he then said that the reason why is because we only have a certain percentage of people vaccinated in the county. And then it was like followed up. Like, if we get to this percentage, though, everything will open up. But then before we get to that percentage, he makes an announcement. We're going on the honor code. So is that going to are you going to get people to get to that potential?

And that's how this relates to sports. And that's why I'm fucking covering it. Because, I mean, you've got people giving away a million bucks in other places. You've got guns and stuff being given away in West Virginia. Washington State said, hey, we'll give you a doobie. You come get it. Here's your dope. And here he's like, nah, go and buy your honor code.

Fuck it, by the way. Be fine. You'll be all right. And if you're trying to reach a goal here, hey, the honor code is going to help you get there yeah the honor code doesn't actually do the number so listen whatever you want to do i appreciate that he is doing the honor code actually because i think it's cool thing because when you walk into a place yeah that's really all you need is your honor but i don't think you say it publicly no like i think that is that is a potential flaw. I might be wrong, though. We have some big news for you.

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most inspiring coach I've ever been around. Here we go. Both of those things, which are very important to coaching. Now, he was a great special teams coordinator back at the U, Miami. I think they blocked seven kicks or something in one year. I think.

I don't know. He told me a couple times while we're in the middle of drills that he would probably get his guys to block something from me. Good conversation. Special teams legend, defensive mastermind, okay? Master motivator. Guy beat leukemia in the same season. His hair looked good on the other side, too. Had great hair before came back his hair looked good on the other side

too had great hair before had even better hair somehow on the other side ladies and gentlemen coach Chuck Pagano look at you look at you what up Pat how are you coach you just get off the peloton or what are you doing over there? Yeah, I got my ride in. I'm out in Boise, Idaho. We're picking some potatoes out here. What do you do? What do you do?

Are you enjoying retirement? You're a football guy through and through. We all had questions whenever you decided to sail off into the sunset, because we saw BA do this. You know, BA said that when he retired, he said his wife told him that his son was 40 and he said, 40? Where'd the years go? And then he retired and then he tried TV and then he came back. You football guys, and Tina too, you football guys, it's your life.

What are you doing with your retirement? Are you still out there with the whistle or what do you got going on? No, that's a great question. A lot of rides on the bike, a lot of errands. You know, there's only so many workouts you can do during the day. How many grocery store runs go to the clean? I go to the cleaners. I don't even have to go to the cleaners. You know, you're looking for stuff to do, played some golf. But mostly my youngest daughter, Tori, had her first baby back in October, first grandson in the family. You know, I had three daughters, three granddaughters. So we finally got a boy. She had to go back to teaching there in Zionsville in March. So Tina and I became full-time babysitters. So let me tell you something.

I'm probably going to come out of retirement. I love the little guy. His name is Bear Charles, and he's a stud, absolute stud. But damn, coaching football is a hell of a lot easier than babysitting seven-month-olds. I could imagine. By the way, congratulations on that. I mean, it is, I remember your entire motto, mission, whenever you were beating the hell out of leukemia there was like, hey, I got dancing, I got weddings to dance at, I got grandkids to meet,

I got to dance, I got the confetti. I mean, you had, like, it feels like everything that you sought after, you did at this point from a personal level. That has to feel pretty cool. And it was really, you know, it was fucking wild to watch happen because it's like, yo, this is a very serious thing. But it was so inspiring what you did, Coach. And I know you like to, you know, have a good time and keep things off of you, but you're a fucking legend, dude.

I hope you know that in your retirement while you're cleaning up baby shit from Bear Charles. I don't know about legend. That's going a little bit far, but I appreciate it. That was, you mentioned it earlier. That was a magical, magical season. And you know, obviously happy to come out on the other side and all that stuff. But, you know, I may have mentioned it, you know, obviously happy to come out on the other side and all that stuff. But, you know, I may have mentioned it. You know, we talked about living in vision, not circumstances, right?

I remember that time in the locker room after that game. I did get one of the two daughters married off, danced at her wedding, had the Ferragamos moving pretty good. As you know, I got one more daughter, middle daughter, Taylor to get married. But yeah, we were blessed. That was a crazy, crazy year. Crazy

season. Magical. So many great, I mean, you guys, you know, I had to do the medicine and all that stuff, but football, you, your teammates, BA, the staff, you know, what you guys were doing week in and week out, we weren't supposed to win a frigging game.

Remember, we were ranked. We had on a T-shirt. We were ranked 32 out of 32, right, in the power rankings. Yeah, it was awesome. We came in. We said, F that. You know, there ain't no rebuild. We're reloading.

Let's go. We got great players in here. It're reloading. Let's go. We got great players in here. It's your opportunity. Let's go. And you guys, what you guys did on that football field and going 9-3, beating Kansas City, clinching the playoffs, and I come back for that last one, I mean, I still get goosebumps to this day. You guys got me well.

No, no, listen, that is not true at all. I think the complete opposite. We were trying to do it for you while got me well. No, no, listen, that is not true at all. We think we were, I think the complete opposite, we were trying to do it for you while you were down the road, left the light on the whole thing. I think my favorite part of that whole season, I've told this story, is first practice back for you, okay? Punt

periods, first period. Alright? Yep. And you're standing right next, I hit probably, I don't know, bad ball. Bad ball. An immediate fuck ball from me, okay, which you are also a big fan of, I do recall. But, yeah, one of those. And you immediately, I mean, you went right into it.

And I'm like, are we not in, like, the, hey, happy to be here? And you were like, no, we got a game. Like, you were right back. Like, it felt like you were back at home. It was very cool. It was a cool, it was a cool day, dude.

It was a cool thing to be a part of. Yeah, it was, um, I remember that, that day. I remember, you know,

that first meeting walking back into, you know, the facility there, you know, it was Christmas Eve, you know, and the guys were all in the team room and that moment right there, we had some great moments together, Pat, and some great wins and some not-so-great moments,

some fake punts that just frickin' went awry. Yeah, bad. You know, so, but walking into that team meeting and making it back and then going on to, you know, won that game. Remember the media asked me, they said, you know, you guys clinched the playoffs. You're not going to play your starters, are you? You're not going to play your guys.

And I'm like, dude, you know what we just went through? You know what we just went through and now I'm going to sit, guys? Hell no, let's go. No feather playing. We beat Houston. And who's that little kick returner took one to the hizzle? What was his name? Right up the gut.

Oh, split him like the Red Sea. Nobody was within 50 yards of my man. He was out. It was like 20. That put us out ahead. And we never looked back and won that game. And that was amazing. Yeah, it was a cool experience. Man, he was a good dude too a cool guy he played for houston then he played for us i forget his name i should have remembered that he was a nightmare to kick to

happy he was on our side at that point and he took one back on houston so they had to experience what we all had to experience let's talk about uh let's talk about you coaching though huh let's talk about you on the field out there you know what i mean let's talk about you coaching, though. Let's talk about you on the field out there. You know what I mean? Let's talk about you out on the field out there. You know? Hey, coach. OTAs. And I've talked about this from a player's perspective.

I can see how the players, you know, want to change it. The vets want to change it. They want to have that ramp-up period after the Zoom calls last year. And they're like, hey, this is what we've been fighting for all along. And you hear a lot of the OGs being like, yeah is is good for the league not going to change it but now that otas are happening and everybody's back in the building except for aaron which we'll talk about what did you get out of the otas out of the team from a coaching standpoint for me it was like the camaraderie i think like kind of building up in the weight room seeing who's from the coaching

side why are otas so? Yeah, you got everybody back in the building, you know, after, you know, whether you had a good season or bad season, you know, there was a new, a renewed sense of, you know, hope and energy and spirit, a new season upon us. You know, you got your draft picks, you got, you know, any free agents in, you know, it was a time for, like you said, you know, the bonding part of that, the camaraderie, but, you know, any, you know, changes or tweaks you had in any of your offenses or defensive philosophies and concepts and special teams, you know, all those, all those kinds of things, you know, dive into the, you know, see where everybody was at from a physical standpoint, the strength and conditioning part of it,

and then the practice part of it and going out and competing and having fun. And iron sharpens iron like man sharpens man. You know that one better than better than anybody. But, you know, but now, especially now with such limited practice time and going through the pandemic and all Zoom and things like that. And you've got a young, a first year player, a rookie quarterback, and you don't have him, you know, for a whole off season, you know, especially last year. God, that would just be a nightmare to me. And, you know, with training camp being as such, you know, you mentioned a ramp up period. I mean, dude, it's, you got to bring them in and it's, you know, it's, you know that you mentioned a ramp up period i mean dude it's you got to bring them in and it's you know it's you know no no conditioning no no strength no you know barely can feed them a

meal you know and then get them home before seven o'clock at night and get them tucked in and you know then bring them back the next day and do a couple toe touches, a couple stretches. Does it get a little soft? Before you know it, you're in the second week and you finally put the pads on. There's some old coaches that are rolling over their graves going, holy crap. You're thinking the game's getting a little softer, you're saying. Maybe things are getting a little bit softer.

It's always going to – and by the way, you said old coaches are feeling that way. Old players feel that way too. Now, we only hear from most of the players that had a lot of injuries and they're suing or whatever, but you listen to the old players talk about how, hey, we used to do three a days, and it was terrible, but you hear them talk about the growth that can happen in some of those practices. Now, I think there's a happy medium, obviously, in there, but as you coach now 36 years, did you see?

I mean, there's been a massive change in the way you can do things over the years what was it like back when you were at the u was it was it just was it insane back there with that crew i couldn't even imagine what's 200 degrees down there too grind grind meat man i mean i mean guys guys that fall out on the – we had to do like 16 110s was a conditioning test. No way. Guy fall out. 16. You know, who knows?

Because back there on Green Tree, you know, humidity 100%, 90-some degrees. You know, guy falls out. Trainer's running over him. This is, you know, mid-'80s. Trainers running over him. Coaches are saying, get away from him. Let him die. Oh, my God.

What year? What year? What year? Man, has time changed. But, no. You had time, I'd say. No, it's changed, and it used to be three-a-days. I mean, you'd go in at least two-a-days and, you know, pads in the morning, pads in the afternoon, do the same thing the next day, the same thing the next day.

I remember Baltimore, my first year in Baltimore with Coach Harbaugh. We went pads, pads, pads, pads, pads, pads. Got to a team meeting that night i'm not gonna say player's name but guy stood up hey can i say something and uh yeah sure go ahead so you know basically in a nutshell we're going too hard what are we doing you know blah blah blah john's just very calmly said anybody else got anything to say? Another guy stood up, said a little something, you know. All of us coaches are in the back, just our heads down, going, oh, my God. Please don't let one of my players say something.

So he gets up and he goes, man, you just couldn't wait, could you? You know, this – because he came from the Andy Reid tree, right? So he'd been with Andy in Philly for 10 years, and they went to four, you know, NFC championship games and a couple Super Bowls. And so the practice schedule, everything was time-tested. And he told those guys that. He goes, I'm not doing this just to beat the hell out of you guys.

This is time-tested. But you just couldn't wait. We had yesterday. I was going to give you tomorrow off. Oh guess what oh no we're going out in pads again what was the team meeting room like i bet that was a lot ray lewis ray was in the back ray didn't say no ray just went oh and his head just dropped he's like like, oh my God. Oh, dude. That would have been, see, that's one of those moments that, you know, and you got to experience this,

obviously me in a team meeting. I don't have much say in anything that's going on in there, but I'm observing everything. You know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to enjoy. That's one of those moments where I wish I was in there.

Oh, oh. I mean, because you remember, D-Butt and I were talking about this the other day we're talking about uh how in training camp the rookies either have to sing or do something you know at night to kind of break up the minani you remember when that there was a run there where the dude went up there and did spoken word or whatever and it was like whoa whoa whoa what what are we doing up here dude this is we had the one guy. He was talking in third person. He said, now, you know, you call me DJ, I may act like this,

but Dijon is, you know, ba-ba-ba. I'm like the gong show. I said, get the hook out. Get him off the stage. They all had these scripted poems and reading these things, and we're like, dude, just just a fight song just give us something give us some little you know it's hard out here for a pimp you know give us something are you kidding me hey there was always a good one there's an easy one to go out there and i've said this on the show numerous times just in case a rookie has to do it all you have to do is have a little bit of energy and just go ain't no mountain high ain't no valley low ain't no river wide

yeah the whole room if you need me call there it is it's the winner it is the winner they did it and remember the titans and it literally it plays in every law as soon as you walk in you just uh hi pat uh punter west virginia university i got 45 grand for my signing bonus everybody and then it's immediately just right to ain't no mountain high in that bag you don't even have to sing anymore chuck you don't even have to sing everybody's gonna sing it for you but then there was that one year, and you were talking about there. There was that one year where there was a real change. It was a whole new thing. These guys were singing like self.

They wrote their own songs they were singing. Like, hey, this is a song I wrote for somebody. And they had their own poems. And it's the third person. And then the one guy had what? He was out of practice for a pulled hamstring or whatever. He sang and then did a backflip. You remember that?

That was that one year. It like couldn't have gone any worse. Every night it was like, all right, what the fuck's going to pop off here? Let's talk. Hey, Chuck, let's talk. Hey, that's right. That's right after that, that group. That's when I started saying getting ready for retirement.

I said, okay. This is like when this goes south, you know it's time to get out. Yeah, when the team meeting celebration turns a different way. You're right. You're 100% right. And it was a change in the locker room, by the way, as I got older as well. And I think it's just the new world. And the game will continue to go on.

The league will survive. But it is a very new one. We're talking to Coach Chuck Pagano. Man, he was obviously head coach for the Colts, defense coordinator for the Bears, the Ravens, the Browns, I think anywhere else? The U. No, secondary coach for the U.

And special teams. And special teams. Yeah, and the kicks, we blocked 59 in six years. Is that good? Jesus. Is that good? I mean, is that good? I think that was exactly

what you said to me a couple times. We blocked... It wasn't because of scheme. Ed Reed had a lot to do with that, by the way. Hey, we played... Tremaine Mack.

I think Tremaine Mack blocked... He went to the Bengals, if you remember, and I think he was Pro Bowl special team his rookie year. Kid out of Texas.

He blocked 12 in one season. It was crazy. What? What a nightmare, dude. I mean, 12 in one season. It was crazy. What? What a nightmare, dude. I mean, what an absolute nightmare. Was that Big East days? When was that? Yeah. The old Big East days, yeah. Do you watch the documentary?

Get Boston College down, you know, in September in the heat in Miami and kill them by 40. And then we'd go to, it was atnut hill you know next year play up there and and you know ed reed's got to rip a ball out of it out of his teammates hand and go 100 yards to win the game it was always a nightmare up there but go to west virginia your beautiful school hey okay and fans were very very nice west virginia very, very nice, West Virginia.

I mean, very nice. Wouldn't say anything derogatory or anything bad to the player. I mean, be ready. Keep your helmet on because they're throwing batteries at us. Not fruit. Throwing batteries at us. Then we snuck off. Matter of fact,

I don't know if you remember the game, but you're they were up 7-3. Matter of fact, I don't know if you remember the game, but you're – they were up 7-3, high-scoring affair, right? 7-3, 28 seconds left in the game. It's fourth down. They got a punt from their own 29-yard line, right? Oh, no. And so this guy comes in.

Tremaine comes in. We block the punt, scoop and score, get a walk-off win, right? You know how we had to go in and run underneath the tunnel to go to our locker room, and then the fans were over the top? Yeah. They threw a trash can, one of them 55-gallon trash cans, off the upper deck, hit Coach Randy Shannon. You remember Randy?

He used to be the head coach down there. Hit him in the head and knocked him out. No! Not at West Virginia. No, this is somewhere else be the head coach down there. Hit him in the head, knocked him out. No! Not at West Virginia. No, this is somewhere else. What a wonderful crowd there. Wonderful people. All right, let's get back to the NFL, all right?

Okay. Sorry. No, no. Do you watch those documentaries about the U when you were there? Do you watch any of those? Oh, they're the best. Just relive the glory days, man. It sounds like it was awesome down there

oh unbelievable we had such great talent unbelievable just beating everybody to death by the way and dancing on their graves while doing it by the way they told you they told you before kickoff during stretch what do you do you want dude we we fix them. You have no idea what's about to happen. I mean, that's how they were. They expect it. They tell you. Did you have Dwayne Johnson on the team? He was there the year before. The Rock was there the year before.

94 and was done. So we didn't have him. I got there 95 with Butch. He was already gone. Did you ever meet him? Did you ever shake his hand? Hey, how's it going? Dwayne, Dewey, DJ? You remember when I was sick, the alias, my wife checked me into the hotel? No, was it?

I didn't know it was Dwayne. They came in my room, and they said, hey, Mr. Johnson. I said, I'm like in shock still, right? Been in there five minutes. I got a PICC line in my arm, and they're pumping chemo into my body and steroids instead. And they said, Mr. Johnson, what are you talking about? Is this real life? You want us to call you Mr. Johnson?

Who am I? You want us to call you Duane, or you want us to call you The Rock? Holy crap. Because remember, it was during the buy, and they didn't want it to get out that I was sick and I was in there. So I'm thinking, where did she get that from? Well, he lived in Weston where we lived during our time down there. They worked out at the same gym. So I'm thinking I got to beat leukemia and beat the Rock's ass because he's after my wife.

All right all right so I'm happy you and The Rock have not had to, you know, square off, you know, because that guy's going to be president 2032. I saw it on NBC. Hey, Deji Kareem. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. Deji.

K-A-R-I-M, I think. Is that right? Yeah. He was fucking fast. DJI. You know who just texted me? Who? Conti.

Hey, that pie's on there. Hey, he's... My pie's on. He goes, Desi Kareem. Hey, he's up here now. He's the guy. He's the guy. He's the guy.

You Italians have infiltrated your way up to the top of the PR of the Indianapolis Colts. It's unbelievable. Last question here, though, Coach. I have to get to this with you. Because I think it's something that you have a great answer on because you were a big players coach. You were a head coach. You understand all the bullshit that could potentially happen outside of the lines now in the business side of things. Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay Packers, if that's your quarterback in your matla floor, what are you doing? How are you doing? Do you have to just stay out of this because it's bigger than you you like at what point you think matla floor like where do you think he

is and how would you handle it yeah he's just you know front office stuff is the front office stuff as you know and as you know as the head coach you're just you're reaching out on a daily basis you know phone text this any way you can and just you just keep trying to you know, phone, text, just any way you can, and just keep trying to, you know, whatever fences need to be met, whatever that is, and building those relationships. And it sounds like, you know, just listen to the whole narrative and what's being said that, you know, the relationship is, you know, great with the players and the coaches, this, that, and the other. So, you know, I wouldn't have retired if I'd known he was going to do this,

by the way. He's probably one of the main reasons. You can tell him he might be watching. I don't know that I got the hell out of Chicago. You're sick of that guy, huh? There's no way. I mean, I'm going to die before I let that guy walk out of my damn building and get out of there. I mean, those guys just don't fall out of trees.

I mean, that's a first ballot, no question, Hall of Famer. The last time he missed a game was October 17, I think, 2017. They lost to the Saints. Hundley was the starting quarterback. So, come on. I'm doing everything I possibly can. You know, I'm missing OTAs. I'm missing Zooms.

I'm missing everything. And doing flying, doing whatever I have to do to keep him around. Yeah, you only go as your quarterback goes. We all know that, ladies and gentlemen. Do we ever. Ladies and gentlemen, legendary coach Chuck Pagano. Thank you, Coach. Yeah, Chuck!

Joining us now, he's the guy that, I mean, he's making headlines, right? Literally, as we speak. This man tweeted that he wanted to fight A.J. Hawk because A.J. Hawk is getting tort all banned from the NFL, inevitably. Ladies and gentlemen, interior offensive lineman for the Buffalo Bills, hashtag Bills Mafia, Jonathan Felicio. How you guys doing, man? Appreciate y'all having me on.

No, thank you for joining us. You look awesome right now. I hate it for the people that can't see you. Great hair, good beard, good glasses. Before we get to you fighting AJ Hawk, okay, what should happen at some point, Felicio, why did you just fight a teammate? We just read, and I talked about it on the show.

I said, hey, this happens in practice. People get in fights. But I want to let you know, OJ something, the guy reported, he said, this is not normal. Felicio just chased the guy down and gave him a punch in the mouth. What the hell happened out there, Feliciano? News travels fast. Very fast.

Yeah, I mean, as it was happening, we found out, yeah. Yeah, it was just competitive. Ran a screen. He picked it. I tried to chase him down. Then words exchanged, and then stupid stuff happened. But you know how it goes, competitive. How has practice been?

How has Josh Allen, obviously, first year to second year, second year to third year, now the expectations are what they are up in Buffalo. You guys have earned that type of thing. I like to hear that there's a little bit of a beef, because that means probably everybody's taking this serious. Everybody's bought in. How are OTAs going?

How's the team feel? Yeah, it's been good. There's a sense around here. Windows close pretty quick. We believe we have a good team and we understand there's a lot of work that needs to be done between now and September. There's no lot of work that that needs to be done between now

and and uh september so you know there's no time to mess around we need to we need to you know stay focused and get this right as far as that uh that little altercation that happened in practice i was mentioned to pat earlier in the show a lot of times i think it's good i think it's a good sign you guys are competitive you want to win what was the aftermath like i would imagine mcdermott doesn't want to let any, like, tension stick around. I'm sure you guys figured things out. Or is the next practice going to be a bloodbath? No, man.

It wasn't my – this hasn't been my first practice. But, I mean, everyone knows around there, I mean, we're trying to work. And there's no animosity between me and AJ. I mean, that crap's done right when we walked off the field. But, I mean, iron sharpens iron and trying to get him better. Man sharpens man as well. How exhausted were you after the fight? That was my favorite part of watching these practice fights that happened.

There's a big, oh, fuck you, the fuck. was my favorite part of watching these practice fights that happen there's a big oh fuck you the fuck worse yeah you can never be in there's no condition for it was that the end of practice it's always the worst yeah it's towards the end so it's always always the worst decision after because you're exhausted um do you guys go because offensive line and defensive line obviously and, and things like that, I mean, even in OTAs, and this was the whole conversation around the boycotting of OTAs, because although they're only in,

you're in jerseys, and you're not even in helmets or whatever, in the offensive line, defensive line, there's guys that are trying to earn jobs, and they can get, there's like a little bit of, there's a chance that something could pop off at those OTAs at any time.

You said this isn't your first fight. Are you the tone setter in there? Are you a guy who's like, all right, this has to happen, or is it just kind of spur of the moment? As I'm getting older, I'm trying to be better and not always be too crazy. But, yeah, I mean, those are my guys, and the offensive line is getting upset,

and I got to – it's kind of my job to make sure everything's all right at the end of the day. All right, so let's pivot into your tweet about wanting to fight A.J. Hawk. Do you have anything you want to say to him now, or is there anything to talk about? I'm pretty sure I was talking about you. No! No!

Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is the Pat McAfee show show right no absolutely no no i saw you and i saw your all due respect that aj probably be a little harder yeah hey not really there is no hey there's no disrespect shown there at all especially uh i think both of us at this point of our life would get ragdolled by you i do believe but the tour doll conversation i think this show has kind of brought to a light why guys you know why it's like such a pivotal thing 2012 i think they were trying to get rid of it as well now they're trying to get rid of it we didn't know inside the locker room if it was still a thing

or not so when you tweeted like hey you need to shut the fuck up basically about this whole thing, that was kind of news to me, but it is real. Guys are trying to do anything they can to get on the field because of like how lucky they are to have a spot. I think that's going to happen forever, don't you?

I mean, when you think everyone goes in there hurt, I mean, I tore my pec and came back week eight and there was no way I could play that game freaking clean. It's over. Like, I had – Toradol is your best friend during the season. Yeah, go ahead. But I did some more digging, and I read the email. I think I'm fine because the pill form is still allowed.

So, I guess we're good is that it's good does it work the same for you I guess we're yeah I mean so the only the only times I've in college I did shot I think my first two years and then they they took that out and uh I don't know if it's like a what's it called when you're when your brain yeah's because of the shot yeah yeah because the shot feels a lot worse so it got to be working right yeah it got it got to work better yeah well and also by the way we learned a lot about this via that email that you read as well the intramuscular one is the one that you did the first two years of college and i did

most of the nfl then there's also the intravascular one, which is the IV drop, and then there's the pill form. And all the people, by the way, like in the outside communities, I've been hearing a lot of different things. I guess the pill isn't great for you either because that thing's going through your… Oh, yeah, your liver's shot, but… I mean, what are you going to do? But you can make moves.

How long have you been with Buffalo now? This will be my third year. Okay. Last year you guys didn't get a chance to experience it, which sucks because your team was great again. But that builds mafia. You have to be so pumped going into next year, huh, with them coming back? Yeah, man.

So our last two playoff games i i think they only allowed like 60k but man it was loud as hell and uh honestly one of the big reasons i came back is just playing that atmosphere every game and uh i mean having this cold to our advantage works too yeah i know you played in oakland before that did uh i know their fans are rabid very different did you notice any kind of differences between the oakland fans and buffalo yeah uh there's not as it's there's not as as much as uh you know bad things happening outside the stadium without their getting stabbed or anything in um hey that's good news. They're both crazy fans, and they're a little more sane out here in Buffalo.

Hey, why is Aaron Donald Aaron Donald? I assume there's a lot of guys every single week that in the interior of the offensive line, every week sucks, right? And everybody, you know, people get highlighted, and it's like, but in offensive line, that is hand-to-hand combat. You're going to get got. You're going to get exposed if you have an off day or whatever. That's what it is.

Why is Aaron Donald considered Aaron Donald? And who are some guys you have to play against every year that are like, all right, I know I'm going to have to fucking be in it here? Have you seen Aaron Donald? Why does he look like that? How? There's no reason. How do you be that big and that swole?

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, so he's like, I ain't trying to joke on him. He's no reason. How do you be that big and that swole? Yeah, I agree. He's like, I ain't trying to joke on him. He's short. So he's like, his leverage is just outrageous. And for being how quick he is and strong he is, it's a hard day in the office. But then you got guys like Fletcher Cox, who is just a mammoth of a man. I think he's like 6'5", 330. And that was him.

Him and like Cam Hayward, you just got to understand, at the end of the day, your back's going to be shot. And hold on for dear life. Just take that door doll pill, you know what I mean? Hey, Cam Hayward's. His dad's nickname was Ironhead Hayward, right? And I think that is carried through. He has had some plays against some guards and off centers that he gets that head underneath the jaw.

And it is just like you got to hang on for dear life. It is. It's horrible. When you feel him get that hand in your chest, you're like, fuck. Here we go. Yeah, here we go. Jump back and try to and try to brace up. Josh, get the ball out.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, the boys have some questions for you, but I'd be remiss if I – I've been working on this, dude. You're in the NFL a long time, obviously. Yeah. My left tackle pass set, people have said 10 out of 10. Oh, yeah. If you could give me one, a judgment here real quick, that'd be good.

Here we go. Here we go. You doing a cadence? Me? Yeah. Yeah. give me one uh a judgment here real quick that'd be good here we go are you doing a cadence yeah me yeah can you get the cadence i'm cramping here down did you see that dude did you see you fucking see that? That was elite. Thank you. One more.

Let's do a scream. Let's do a scream. I'll give you one of Josh's cadences. Thank you. Down. Brady. Blazer. Bang.

Oh. I'll place you on him. That's what I'm talking about. I appreciate that. Blazer! Pass! Ball! Oh! No! I'll police you on him! That's what I'm talking about. I appreciate that. Go ahead, Ty. Jonathan, I know in your Twitter bio you got gamer and chef in there. Is that pretty much all you do off the field? What are some of your hobbies when you're not playing football?

Great for serious. Yeah. That's all i do i'm a very boring person um i hang out with my kids i play video games and i'm pretty fat so good tats there though are you all right as well i gotta i gotta do something to attract the ladies but i'm now married wife wife. I love you. Of course. But before you're talking about the camouflage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Bad service there. I think you said you love your wife more than anybody. That's why you got the, that's why you got tattoos to find her eventually. The great woman that is your wife, right?

Exactly. Yeah, bingo. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, John. I think the Bills are in one of the categories of they're bringing back all their starters, or 21 or 22 of them. Is this one of the closer teams you've ever been on? Like,

are you guys all a tight-knit group? Yeah, there's no bullshitting. We can be honest with each other, and at times it can be harsh, but it's not meant to be, And they understand that. And everyone's in this together, and we all know what the goal is.

Where are you from originally? Davie, Florida. A lot of Italians down there? What's going on? Puerto Rican, sir. You're not Italian? A little bit, but my name is Puerto Rican. Thank God, by the way.

Yeah. What do you mean? Seriously. What do you mean? Seriously. What do you mean? Thank God. Just too many. You know what I mean? I agree.

Yeah, we had Pagano on earlier. That's right. Okay, we got the Gileo, Morodo. I mean, it just never. Hey, Greg. Greg, for this sake. Yes, hey, I'm from fucking Sicily. Are you really?

That means we're dead. That means I'm legitimately dead. Yeah, no, I am. My grandpa's my grandpa. My grandpa. You just said all those bad things. So what I was saying was we can't get enough Italians on this show, especially with you being from Sicily.

I mean, no harm to the Feliciano family. That's unbelievable. Hey, enjoy OTAs, man. Did you guys ever, did you guys have conversations about the boycott or was that like, hey, we got a championship to win. What are we doing? Yeah, there were some conversations. Ultimately, the GM, Bean, and McDermott, and our captains had good discussions.

And we have a goal in hand. So we're here. Have you guys been there the whole time? Was there any time away or anything like that? was uh they came they came back a week before i did so got it okay go ahead dicks so when josh allen comes out of the locker room he's wearing that beautiful rainbow visor miami the u style as you would know is that because trabisky was peacocking around the locker room he said no no no, no, Mitch, this is my locker room? Yeah, what is that all about?

It's got to be. There's 100% jealousy there. Josh, he's just how athletic he is and how good he is in football. His lower body just doesn't look good. And, yeah, there's definitely some hating on him. How's Mitch? How's Mitch? Mitch, cool guy? Yeah, he's definitely some hating on it. How's Mitch? How's Mitch? Mitch cool guy?

Yeah, he's a pretty cool guy. I haven't talked to him much. His hands are under my cross more than I've had conversations. But he seems like a good dude. He's pretty cool. I'm just joking. He's a good dude. Hey, what you said about Josh, too, I thought about somebody typing it up.

Felice Juarez says, for as good of an athlete as Josh is, his lower body looks terrible. I saw somebody saying it. I was like, oh, God, here we go. Hey, appreciate you joining us, man. I appreciate you guys. Hey, I'm happy to hear AJ didn't ruin everything

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use behind the wheel pal first off I never have attempted to sleep while driving has happened inadvertently and I'm usually very on top of it and try to change out if I have another driver. Okay, so as soon as you start feeling it, you're saying, as soon as the sun's starting to get a little bit too good out here. Oh, it's beautiful, son. Oh, it's beautiful. All right, somebody else should drive for me.

Is that what happens? Well, usually they actually, they'll let me know. Oh, yeah, you're usually real good about it. My wife likes to drive, so she's always driving anyway. But if I'm with somebody else, they'll usually notice, hey, man, I know you. This is not going to end well, so just let me get in there now. You look at the clock, see the sun? Get the hell out of here.

It's 5.03. This can't happen. You're swerving into oncoming traffic. Hey, it's fall. Hey, Pat, yesterday that Sean O'Malley showed you that video, I didn't say it at the time, but I'm watching. I'm like, yep, that's the time. You saw the sun real low.

I'm like, yep, see ya. You're out right there. Hey, that is your Achilles right there. That is your driving Achilles, that beautiful sunset, the time before it's completely gone, but it has disappeared at least by a half. Let's talk about your friend okay because i just seen a tweet somebody sent me a tweet and it's you know i don't know if this is real or not but i assume people are tweeting me you know or telling the

truth about this type of thing i guess colin cowherd just said uh talking about the aaron rogers situation he said aj hawk said that this was mendable or something like that. Now, obviously, you've been an insider for the insiders on this Aaron Rodgers situation. Not as deep inside as Miles Teller, but really close there. I think you and Takatari

could be in a tie there for Nkune as well. What are you hearing? Okay, because this morning, Adam Schefter said on get up he's strong as hell in his convictions right now more just as much as he was before bobbert domovsky espn green bay packers said there ain't nothing changed okay he's still there it doesn't matter if it's mandatory or not have you heard anything and does this mandatory minicamp mean anything at

all in your eyes in the grand scheme of things no mandatory minicamp mean anything at all in your eyes in the grand scheme of things? No, mandatory minicamp means zero. I would have been very surprised if he actually came. With everything going on, what's he going to come because he's worried about being fined $93,000? That's something that will get erased if he does come back and they work out a contract. That's nothing. It's not going to happen. Do you think there's anything to them either choosing to fine him or not fine him the $93,000 in a public display of, hey, we're trying to do everything we can?

Do you think that means anything? I mean, I don't think it would help if you apply the fine to him. No, it's not going to help anybody. Well, I think this is the first time where he's going to have to write money out. Now, if they get a deal done, if they get a deal done if they get a deal done it'll obviously be a part it'll be awesome if he signs for 150 million and 93 000 you know like that would be that'd be awesome if that happened but this is the real first time where it's not future earnings you know like this is the first time where it's actual money that could. And if they want to baby face the Packers, they could just easily go.

We're obviously not going to find Aaron for everything he has done for us. We are not going to find him. He's never missed a camp before. This is the first time. We would never do that. If they would do that, then that's really starting to continue to do what they allegedly attempted to do with the accumulation of information that was dropped on draft night whenever it was said they're flying out individually.

You know, they're really getting, that would help that whole story, I think, personally. Now, we're also talking about something that is not a big deal at all because it's the only thing to talk about and it's the MVP of the NFL, potentially not being with one of the most historic franchises after like, what, 16 years or whatever.

But that is something I think that does change this particular situation to what it has been, you know? Well, this is the first time when, yeah, the team is back there. They have to be there. It's not a voluntary situation. He's not there. So I understand, like, why it's a talking point or this is a time when you would think about it

because it is very interesting. If you're the Packers, why in the hell, if you really want aaron back what's it going to do to actually give him that fine what would that what good does comes from that you can't say like it's not one of those things where you're like hey we're gonna we're gonna punish this guy because it's gonna set the tone and let everybody else below him and everyone else that comes after them know like we don't mess around this isn't one of those situations well isn't it interesting too because aaron said he's trying to set the tone for future, like how people should be treated.

In Green Bay, in this situation, you'd be like, hey, you've seen how we treat this. We treat this guy incredibly well. You didn't find him 93 grand, you remember? How nice of us was that? Could've. You know what 93 grand can get you? Almost a Jeep with a handle. Not a Jeep Wrangler.

Not your Jeep Wrangler. Almost. Not your Jeep Wrangler. The Packers could almost afford my Jeep with a Hemi, obviously, if they got this money from Aaron. So that's something we've got to put into perspective every once in a while. Have you talked to Aaron? How's he doing? Is he happy?

Is he enjoying life? I don't know. I assume he's doing great. When and if I do talk to him, first off, I don't pepper him with any kind of football questions. Call him right now. I believe. If I talk to him, I mention his golf match coming up.

That's the most interesting thing to me right now. How is he going to do? Is his team going to win? Fascinating. Is it going to be entertaining? Is it going to be fun? Thank you for looking out for this show, all of sports media. Very nice.

Because, by the way, July 6th is going to come quick. Yeah. Hey, him and Bryson DeChambeau. Bruxelles! Bruxelles! Yo, Bruxelles! What should I ask him? Pat, what would you want me to ask him?

Like, hey, man, what are you going to do? He texts me back. Don't know. Cool. Talk next week, bud. So I've actually stared at his name on my phone in the text thing. And I have typed up a text that was like you know

is there anything I can can I lean you know one way or another here and I immediately deleted the whole thing you could do it because then I'm taking a potential you know in a roundabout way,

you're kind of taking a relationship connection that you have and making it something that it isn't, right? If I do that, like, I feel like that's something like, hey, the reason why I have this number is not because of that. So now I've turned this entire thing into something different. And by the way, we don't talk that much much either so I guess if I did just pop up out of nowhere and shoot my shot there's a chance I'm just blocked forever I guess in that thing but I don't want to like disrespect the reason

you know what I mean like I don't know it's a weird fucking spot that's why since the beginning for you I've been like I don't know how you're doing this because if this was like Vinatieri or fuck if this was Chuck Paganoano something going on everybody in the media would be like all right what's you literally take you you touch the guy what's going on no no you're you're in the picture with what's going on it's like that's why at some point maybe

july 6th is a date for this kind of to get settled because is he going to want to talk about that the entire time because i don't know who's commentating but if it's charles barkley i'm assuming charles barkley's gonna have some questions in between shots you know like i just it's a it's a wild scene it's all drama you know it's like all real housewives type stuff going on for reason it's not like hey there's reason behind this whole thing and by the way he has a lot of cause and there's a lot of potential outcomes it's's just another part of it is Devontae Adams has shown up, I guess. Okay, wow. So Tay is there. Wow.

Tom Pellicero, who was reporting from Curly Lambo's field, live this morning on NFL Network, says Packers star wide receiver Devontae Adams is present at minicamp and in uniform, but isn't really participating on day one. Watching most drills and working on the side during 11-on-11. He's entering a contract here. All the Green Bay's other top receivers are also practicing. Okay.

Shout out Big Bob Cunningham out there. Hey, Bobby. He's out there. All right. Marseille's loose. Big Dog's out there. Al Lazard. All right.

Lazard's out there. All right. Here we go. You know who's not there? Brett Favre? He's not there. Well. Maybe.

I don't know. Maybe that's a good idea. He can still sling it, I think. Yeah, bring back Favre. He's still got some fire, too. The guy can move. You know, whenever he speaks, people react. That's a great point.

He needs the money, too. I was at CVS yesterday, by the way. Walked in. Got one of those. Honor code. Announced publicly. They get it. Did that just start happening where you're at now?

Listen, I talked about this the first hour. I don't want to hit it again, but if you're going to do a public thing and rely on honor code, you don't tell the people you're doing it. No. Completely destroys the point of honor code. Yeah, the mayor said, we're going to do honor code. Hogshead's locked in right now we understood you probably were gonna do that now granted in europe they got they're using

they're using passports vaccine passports to get into soccer games okay this is something that you know has been used in the past and a lot of people are not exactly thrilled about this but it is also a way to prove that you uh you know hey right here hey took the jab or whatever i guess in new york there's a potential qr code that you get in your uh phone that you can use i guess if it's like to get into a sporting event or something like that which by the way almost makes it even worse now okay i mean there's just there's no real so i assume there's gonna be a lot of honor codes because you know i i assume that's how it was gonna be because was somebody there's a sweet lady named bang b-h-e-n-g at my cvs she's there every night okay she is a steadfast zito's in the neighborhood he loves her nick's in the

neighborhood big fan but he loves is is she supposed to stop everybody that walks in a cvs whenever it says like recommended mask like is guess she's supposed to be like, excuse me. She will. She has to, but she shouldn't have to. We all just assume this is going to be on her code. She does say hi to everybody coming in. Everybody gets a hi and a goodbye. How's your vax? Yeah, but then what? Somebody's got to do a thumbs up or thumbs

down. And she's also got to check me out whenever I'm trying to get, you know, some skim milk to go with my cereal right before my intermittent fasting hours. Is that what she's supposed to do? Too many tasks. We assumed it was going to be honor code. Everybody's walking in doing their thing. You can't be saying it, though, if you're trying to raise the numbers to open up stuff.

Killing the code. He's killing the code. The kayfabe, as you say, right? Bingo. Yeah. That's exactly right. But we don't have a high enough percentage of people vaxxed in his eyes to do anything. So once we get to a point, he'll do it.

But now he's telling people we're doing the honor code. It's like, can we just have the fucking Lucas Oil Stadium filled this fall? Can we just say that? Can we just say it? It has to be. There's no, I don't see, how would it not? You're not here. You don't see this guy.

You don't get it, AJ. You don't get it. You don't get it. it you know other places are giving away guns yeah and dope free doobies they're giving away a million dollars where's that washington state go ahead and get a joint for a jab dog come on in here you go come get some dope go ahead and get a little vax fucking let's get back to it whatever the time case, by the way, the Washington State residents that didn't get the vax, by the way, and they're going to walk out with a free J, they're going to tell everybody, I'm fucking smarter than you. I did it. What were you guys doing?

You're getting that shit. Honor code. Look at this. You got a dooboo with your other? That's an OG, dude. God damn it for my troubles. Think about the mids and bush that they're going to be handing out. These are going to be terrible joints, but sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do

to go ahead and get your joint for your job. But anyways, that's not the case here. It's like, no, I'm not giving away anything and it's on a code, but we need this to jump 20% of it. It's like. Okay. Incentivize me. That's right.

One time. Cowboy there is representing. I'm holding out until I get incentivized. Hey, as soon as he says, hey, we'll give away some. I don't care what it is. Hey, we'll give away some. I don't care what it is. Hey, we'll give away some. Give me a koozie. We'll give you $50 in gambling credit.

Oh. Diggs would be like, give me $50. Sounds good. I'll take all three. I'll take all the options. $150, let's do it. Whatever the case, whatever your decision is, cool. But I just think if you're going to try to get somebody to do something that they obviously don't want to do at this point,

telling them that the honor code is going to be the way, telling them that that's going to be it. I don't know if that're going to try to get somebody to do something that they obviously don't want to do at this point, telling them that the honor code is going to be the way, telling them that that's going to be a, I don't know if that's going to move anybody. And if we don't have a full stadium this fall and every other stadium is filled, that would be a wild time to be a Colt fan, especially with Julio Jones here. And that's what they should say. Hey, if you want Lucas Oil to be full, go ahead and get it. That's the incentive right there. It feels like that would be a good move.

Maybe give a Colts hat away. Hey, how about this? Yeah. Season ticket somebody will win. Boom. There you go. A suite to a game somebody will win. Oh.

Give me a t-shirt. How about this? A shirt. How about this? A pennant. I'll give away. Not a pennant. I will give away a suite to, if they're not all sold out.

So I have to have this. I will give away a suite to the Indian they're not all sold out, so I have to have this, I will give away a suite to the Indianapolis Colts game of choosing if we get to the point where we can have a suite in a stadium. I will do it. I will do it.

Thank you, Mayor Pat. Thank you, Mayor Pat. I need to run. What did you say, AJ? You need to run for public office. When does this guy have three elections? No way. Fix our roads, man.

Listen, this guy's life Yeah, this guy's life is not an easy one. All right? Especially here in Indiana. These potholes, it is the worst in the country.

Terrible. By far. It is the worst in the country. I understand being in public office is not easy. But goddamn, how is this dude so much different than literally everywhere else i don't i don't fully understand maybe he's the

greatest of all time and maybe i just maybe maybe history will say this guy on the show i don't think he's gonna yeah maybe i mean with the things i've i've said i think he would want i would think he'd want to clarify what you've been saying probably he probably views it a little differently than you do. Yeah, but then does he want a do-si-do? Like, you know what I mean? I don't know. You would think if he's making these decisions and he's still standing strong,

don't you think he probably would want to debate it? Probably not, actually. No way. I don't think so. He didn't want to debate it. But with you, it's not like he's talking to Ben Shapiro. He's talking to you. Well, but in Indiana, though, you know, like I don't think I'm the person he wants to talk to in Indiana, you know?

Like, anywhere else, maybe. In Indiana, though, hey. But do you feel, where you guys are at, do you feel there's a bunch of people on the mayor's side that are with him? No, no, no, no. Zero percent chance. No, no. That's why I've, that's why I finally have, like, been like, yo, come on, dude. Like, hey, I understand your job is not an easy one, but fucking A, how are you?

So, and maybe he's right. Tell him MSG. MSG is dude. Like, hey, I understand your job is not an easy one, but fucking A, how are you? And maybe he's right by me. You tell him MSG. MSG is full. Bro, MSG, LA. I mean, these. Chicago. Everywhere. Boston.

Everywhere. Yeah. It's one thing to, like, hold the, you know, mandate or whatever and have incentives, but it's another thing to, you know, be a big dumb dipshit and have road construction be done 18 months after nobody was on the roads. I don't know if that's him. I don't know if that's the mayor.

I don't know if that's the mayor. Then he better fix his PR because in my mind that's the mayor doing all this shit. So maybe he needs to fix education in Massachusetts on whose job is what. But it is something that I think Okay, so maybe he needs a fixed education in Massachusetts on whose job is what. But it is something that, you know, I think local, I will look at local government a lot differently, I think, forever now.

You know, and this has never really been anything. Like local government, I think mayors are normally revered, right? Like, hey, this guy or girl represents our city. Like, here it is. Depends. Depends who you ask. Rob Ford. Everyone loved him.

Yeah. Seriously. That we can agree on. That is a different country, but you're right. I mean, the way he handled himself in those council meetings or whatever you guys got up there. Yeah. He'll tackle you. That's what Hogshead should do. He should just smoke a bunch of crack and then, you know, completely flip his entire persona.

That's not going to happen. Okay. That shouldn't happen. I don't know if he needs to pull. We don't need to be. Indianapolis does not need to be the Toronto. Okay. They didn't win a championship, you know, right after.

Yeah, but that's because of Drake. That's not because of Rob Ford. Okay, fair. Anyways. Win this for you, Rob. So people don't like mayors or mayors always just. I thought mayors were like the popular people. I think they're like all the politicians. Some for it. Okay, fair. Anyways. Win this for you, Rob. So people don't like mayors? Or mayors always just... I thought mayors were like the popular people. I think they were like all the politicians.

Some are liked, some are hated. I remember some city, I forget which one it was, local news, night before a game, mayor was getting arrested for stealing gift cards out of a charity bank drive that she was at. Man. It was awesome. That's a tough look.

It was so cool. A little sticky fingers mayor. On the other side of the break we will talk about mayor insert name here who got caught stealing gift cards at events she was at or something like that and i was just like this is awesome where are we local news if you travel a lot worth a watch give it 15 20 minutes because every city has shit you know it just depends upon what level of shit. In local news, it's like Real Housewives of the city.

It's everything that is despicable and terrible in the city. You will find out. Yeah, Zito did just clarify what city it was from. I knew that. I did not want to bury said city. Okay, sure. You remember Mayor Steeler's stall, obviously. Yeah, Raven's stall, obviously.

Down there in Pittsburgh, that guy. He was hater. When he was stealing stuff, he was stealing stuff. Yeah, Raven Stahl, obviously. Down there in Pittsburgh, that guy, he was hater, wasn't he stealing stuff? He was stealing stuff. Yeah, he did some things, but it seems like they're always trying to be the ones putting themselves in front of the story and picture opportunities and whatnot without the actual... Ribbon cutting, a lot of it.

Big drug bust. You want to be the sheriff that stands in front of all the AKs and the drugs that you just took from a semi-submersible out of the ocean or something? Maybe Rob Ford was just undercover. Maybe Rob Ford was just undercover that whole time. It is going to have to be coastal towns. Yeah, Rob Ford might have been undercover, like those birds that are flying out there. Ain't that right, Corey?

Oh, man, do not get me started on these birds. I saw one yesterday. It was goddamn R2-D2. It was bullshit. These things are not real, okay? AJ, don't be so thrilled that we got this. AJ, you should have seen this bird servicing yesterday. It could mimic exactly what you say.

It was horseshit. And this wasn't a parrot, okay? It was a little bird. I'll send it to you. It was on the internet. It could have been a fake bird on the internet to you it was on here it could have been a fake bird on the internet no way yeah it could have been a cgi graphic of a bird and it has got him completely rattled like it like zimberg cage okay that's like this goddamn mayor hogshead's

basically a fake bird in my mind well you know listen mayor joe hogshead i don't know if you're listening to this i understand you got a tough job but fucking come on pa. I don't know if you're listening to this. I understand you got a tough job, but fucking come on, pal. Hey, I don't know Hogsett at all, but he probably has kids that may be fans of the show. This would be heartbreaking to sit here and listen to people talk about your dad like that. No, he's a mayor. He signed up for it. Okay, that's going to happen. His kids didn't.

His kids didn't. Well, hey, that's politicians, by the way. If you're going to be that. I don't know. You know what I mean? You do what you got to do. Oh, you try to go to the bathroom just for the sake of argument no no no i'm saying if i was sitting there and i'm watching a guy that looks and acts like connor this is tough aristotle part two i'm

just reporting on what i'm seeing i'm what i'm saying job if there are hog set kids which i'm not sure no this ain't you okay and you probably the little hogs. And there ain't no reason. Aristotle's the only kid, right? Well, and also, if the Aristotle hog set's out there, know that you are definitely smarter than this guy. Yep. You think Aristotle's the only kid who's ever dunked on me, AJ? I live under the rim, buddy.

Hey, but hold on. Okay. Hey, but you're going to get some blocks down there. That's right. I'm going to get my swats in, but I am going to take a couple posters on my way out, too. You're going to get some blocks down there. That's right. I'm going to get my swats in, but I am going to take a couple posters on my way out too. You're going to get got every once in a while. Got to get got more than you get got there.

No, you got to get yours more than you get got there. There it is. Yeah, he almost just got got there by a quote from Marshawn Lynch. But the thought of him being from Boston and yelling at kids and chastising children is just a natural affair there, especially if they're a Yankees fan. We've seen it the other way now, the other night. Last night, maybe,

a Lady Yankee fan was just chewing out four Red Sox kids just at a rapid rate. I don't know how you big city folk just decide, like, yeah, I'm going to tell a little kid to go fuck himself, but I love it. I wish I, yeah, I'm going to tell a little kid to go fuck himself. But I love it.

I wish I had it. I'm scared of those little things. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. You could potentially be corrupting this kid to become the next Manson. True. Don't you ever feel? That's why you got to draw a line.

You know, you can't cross into, you know, this kid's religion and stuff like that. You just got to eviscerate who he is as a person that you're looking at. As long as it's not your name on the list at the end of the day. Jesus. Manson. You grew up right up the street. You're telling me that you're going after kids out there? If they deserve it. They're going to learn someday, Pat. Might as well be from me.

Hey, Pagano said it. Man sharpens man just like iron sharpens iron. You got to let those kids know. Man. Did you hear that? Say it. Man sharpens man. You got to let those kids know. Man, man. Did you hear that? Yeah. Say it. Man sharpens man. Okay. What did he not say there?

Boy sharpens boy. No, man sharpens boy. Okay, for whatever reason, that's what you guys are trying to do out there. Parents sharpen children, but so if the children's parents aren't going to do it, someone's got to do it. Golly, dude. Whenever he started chewing out these kids and then inevitably gets dunked on by the same kids later, I'm like, why are you even... What are you doing?

What are we even doing here? Do your kids talk shit to adults? Is that banter that happens in the adult parenting world? No. My kids talk to me like that and maybe my brother or family members joking around but they would never. Unfortunately, they're shy around most adults. They're not going to go up and just randomly talk to

adults i am scared to death of kids don't like them and scared to death of them it is tough that's why you should talk shit to them no i do normally but it's normally a compliment oh you know what i mean normally it's oh aren't you just the yeah came with a crop and then right back it's like yeah i am actually and i'm not gonna leave you alone because i can sense you fucking despise me. So I'm going to be here all goddamn day, even though there's a hundred other people in this house. Why does that happen? Kids, they just smell fear.

Get the fuck away from me. They can sense weakness just like dogs. Yeah, by the way, that is something that's real. Crowds can do the same if you ever decide to do stand up or anything. That's why whenever somebody comes on to a microphone, one of my only tips to people whenever they come on the show, or do any shows, I'm like, when you come on to a microphone the first time in the show,

you've got to come hard. Because if you come soft at all, everybody's going to think that you're scared. Everybody's going to think you're nervous. You've got to come in there and set the tone. You've come soft. It's tough is going to think that you're scared. Everybody is going to think you're nervous. You've got to come in there and set the tone. You come soft. It's tough, man. Yeah. You said it.

Well. You're right, though. You're absolutely right. It's like you're – remember they teach you when you're a young kid? No, let's talk about coming soft, dude. Go ahead. What do you need, some Roman? Good luck doing that.

You need some Roman over there, pal? I'm good. I told you. I talked to Bruce. I get everything sent to me, man. We're all set. You, Bruce. You can come hard come hard too just like the old days though they teach you that when you're a young kid and you're growing up and they're like hey this is how you write a paper

your first like line or two should be an attention grabber so that's where you come hard and then you fill it with detail and then you end it softly i guess right yeah because you gotta come hard i have to come hard even harder fill it with fill even harder. Fill it with detail. That's the thing. And by the way, you can get hated because of the same coming. Cream pie is just not involved in this conversation. You've got to be authentic. I love oatmeal. No, but I get hated too, by the way, whenever that happens as well. There's people that hate everything about it.

It's like, well, you either want me to be scared on the mic, or do you want me to come in abrasive and obnoxious like you're saying? It's like, well, you either want me to be scared on the mic or do you want me to come in abrasive and obnoxious like you're saying? It's like, well, I guess there's two different ways. One I ain't ever going to look like. The other one I'm always going to look like. And that's just how it goes there.

But that's real. I think you got to, you know, you got to come in there, you know? To Zito's point. Comedian, pub, anyone that's a public speaker, you got to be confident. What happened?

I didn't hear. No, no. It was like a second level. maybe like a third level thing. Don't ever get credit for it, but it was pretty good. It was a pretty sophisticated little joke, I think. Talking about cream pies. Zito. He said, I love oatmeal.

He loves it. That was good, though. Yeah. I mean, Zito a couple times today has really just jumped on in the pool. And I think it's because he debuted an incredible commercial. Have you seen this yet, AJ? Have you got to see this? We didn't get to run it the first hour because we just powered through with Chuck Pagano,

who I'm going to ask you about here in a little bit. But Zito debuted a commercial today. We debuted a Zito commercial today. Is this the wheelbarrow one where he made a choice as an actor? Yeah. No, this is very much a Scorsese, Zito, or Scorsese, Zito flick where he had to buy into his character of being – he's not a method actor. No.

But he had to buy into being a big, fat stooge for a day. And his whole day was long. A lot of terrible things happened. But then he slept soundly because of the brothers from Purple. Ain't that right, Zito? Hell yeah. Good story. He did well with it Zito? Hell yeah. Good story. He did well with it.

Thank you, Purple. Great story. It's a good story. It's going to be tough to keep Zito around, it sounds like. He's going to be recruited away to be an actor. I think it, by the way, and a voiceover actor, potentially. His inflection in the voiceover. Oh, yeah.

Really good. I got a chance to watch the final product last night, and I think that was my biggest takeaway, was the voiceover work that he did was just spectacular because I'm potentially going to be a voiceover actor now by the way. Oh wow, really? I read some lines. I read some lines. They don't sound anything like what I would say in real life. Okay. So I had to meth it out.

Cruella 2. Whoa. Hold the phone. Baby Rock season 2. Are you the narrator? It's Y'all Rock. Don't you worry about it. You might see it. Hey, maybe you'll see it. Baby Rock season two. Are you the narrator? It's Y'all Rock. Come on. Hey, don't you worry about it. You might see it. Hey, maybe you'll see it. We'll find out. I'm sure you got the streaming service it'll be on.

You'll let me know. We'll see it. Your voiceover. Will we see it or will we hear you? Both. That's interesting. That's a great question. See your name at the end of the credits.

That's right. A lot of people watch the credits. I do. Yeah. Respect the film, dude. Yeah. What are you talking about? And also, Jackie Chan. Yeah, respect the film, dude. Yeah. What are you talking about?

And also, Jackie Chan taught me, you stick around. That's right. You don't know what's coming at the end. What's coming at the end? Maybe an extra scene. See, this is... Cool bloopers. Didn't old Samuel L. Jackson do the thing? That was after, right?

Yeah. Wasn't it? That was after the credits, yeah. That was after the credits. Jackie Chan, during credits, after credits, saw the bloopers of him trying to kill himself. Yeah. Yeah, and you just blow it.

You didn't even see it. That's some of the best stuff. That's why Jackie Chan movies do so well. Yes. Because of credits. That's pretty current, right? Jackie Chan movies seem to be blockbusters lately. Massive shot.

Massive shot, dude. What the hell is wrong with you? 1998? Maybe most kids watching the show have no idea who you are. Russia or something? They know Jackie Chan. Show some respect, dude. Jackie Chan ran up walls, dude.

He's awesome, Pat. He's awesome. The 20-year-olds watching have no idea who that guy is. They know Jackie Chan. I don't pretend that people know who I know. Okay, hey. You ever heard of Bruce Lee, dude? Is this another year to say, oh, he fucking didn't exist?

That guy, because they're young, they don't know legends? Is that what you're saying in this game? Well, Bruce Lee, of course. He has kind of crossed over into all of pop culture. Oh, get out of here. Jack Brown! Fucking Chan has it. You know who Elvis is?

Was he born before you? Yeah, what is this? This is Ohio problem, dude. Yeah. How about George Washington? You're talking some of the most well-known, famous people in the last hundred years.

A lot of people... Jackie Chan? He is. A lot of people in the comments section are saying, Jackie Chan does not deserve this from AJ.

Thank you. This person just tweeted, I'm 13. I love Jackie Chan. Boom. Here's another one. Big Jackie Chan does not deserve this from AJ. Thank you. This person just tweeted, I'm 13. I love Jackie Chan. Here's another one. Big Jackie Chan show. Thank God because I'm a 14-year-old. Boom. Right here.

Oh, I'm 15 years old. I don't even have my driver's license yet, but you know what I do know? Jackie Chan, man. Boom. Boom. Here's another YouTube comment. Wow, AJ continues to be more ignorant than me, a 12-year-old. Wow. Look at these comments, dude. youtube comment wow aj continues to be more ignorant than me a 12 year old wow

this guy sleeps at the wheel and sleeps on my knowledge of jackie chan signed sam 13 year old wow how about that rebuttal stooge this show is awesome probably that's what they're saying right here. This guy, I'm two years old and I love John Wayne. That's our youngest listener. That's our youngest viewer. Do you hear, though, my parents' generation, they'll talk about Johnny Carson and guests that they had on.

Who's that? They freak out. They're like, what are you talking about? You don't know this guy? I don't want to be that person. Okay, I understand you're trying to be hip. Okay, you're trying to be cool. But Jackie Chan ain't it. The other way. I'm going the other way.

No, I'm just trying. I'm telling you, Jackie Chan ain't the one to go after. Yeah, nope. All right? I'm not going after Jackie Chan. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did, dude. You used Jackie Chan as a current, like, relatable movie star or something.

No, I said that's when i learned to watch okay the credits is because of the legend jackie chan yeah back in 1999 you learned oh hey you know why you lost your face mask pal because it hit off the steering wheel while you fell asleep thinking of this take that people don't know who jackie chan is are you kidding me i was wearing that helmet it looks exactly like it really does It looks exactly like you. It really does. Fucking Cobra Strike, dude. Anyways, Jackie Chan did not deserve any of that.

At all. I was not slandering Jackie Chan by any means. He's won movies in the last decade, bro. He's more than that. I assume he... Boom. COVID probably didn't slow him down. There's probably going to be a video of him.

Fucking hopping over there. Jumping all the way from it. Yeah. By the way, I always wondered, can anybody other than Jackie Chan do that little corner run? No way. No. By the way, that's what I started. American Ninja Warrior does it every night.

No. I tried to watch that show last night. Come on, dude. Does that show fucking stink or what? Yeah. Hey, it was good there for a while. It is tough to watch now because I see this alex honnold guy and i'm like yo if you wanted to go do this you could just right destroy it so actually it's different you

have to be a little bit more explosive it's like i i think the first 10 years of it was awesome and the original you know over um yeah we just we destroyed a ninja warrior for sure we just ran it into the ground yeah i made it too too we tried too hard yeah it was awesome though i enjoyed it yeah i enjoyed it like the first couple years when i came over here i thought it was awesome but i feel like they just run it into the they just didn't respect mount midori i'm enough exactly how many people too many people are winning here because over in china nobody i mean it was like if you beat that thing it was did you go to one of those well i was asked to a week after a knee surgery and i was i was told to arrive at 2 30 a.m

and i'd run at four oh nice i said thank you for the opportunity i'm gonna be on painkillers and sleeping yeah so i can't make it oh so you didn't get to test out the warped wall no i didn't get a chance to run it connor daly did though he did pretty good i think he fell in that first one i think bill did too i remember him bailey how'd you do on a bailey bailey did it because he was working with bob and Tom at the time. They invited everybody down there. It was an overnight shoot in the middle of downtown.

Shut it all down. It was really spectacular buildup to be honest with you. Yeah, true. Bill, how'd you do on that thing? Did you end up in a waterpout? Yeah, so I started doing like with the front like pads

where it's like five alternating pads. They don't tell you. That's like skateboard sandpaper. Very, very rough on the skin. So it's kind of tough if you don't get your that's like like a skateboard sandpaper very very rough on the skin so it's kind of tough if you don't get your momentum and actually like foot jump by the way by the way i understand where you're coming from in my head that just got a lot easier that thing yeah it sounds like there's like real grip in that so i think i i maybe could make it past that one all the other ones are not built for me now that i am not built for that

thing i would have done bad if i didn't come out of a knee surgery. And I was appreciative of the opportunity to my ass. Yeah. AJ, you ever do any of that shit? They have like ninja gyms now around the country. I've taken my kids. Yeah, I've taken my kids and I couldn't believe it. It's like a full blown giant warehouse.

That's like people training for American Ninja Warrior or parkour type stuff. And there's some there's people there taking one on one classes. And these kids are 15 running up walls doing crazy stuff the whole time I would like to change my stance on American Ninja Warrior okay these climbers and super parkour people they're living in

the back of vans okay they're eating taters that they're sauteing in different flavors so that they can have different meals you know what I mean exactly the American Ninja Warrior is a professional and different flavors so that they can have different meals, you know what I mean? Like the Martian. Exactly. The American Ninja Warrior is a professional league for them.

I need to stop bashing it. It's a way for them to actually make money with these gyms and everything. I don't want to take away anybody making any money, but I am about sick of it fucking being on TV.

You know what I mean? Maybe, maybe. We need a new professional league. What network is it on? Well, it's NBC. No, it's on NBC. No, it's still on the big show. Yeah, yeah it's on NBC. It's still on the big show. It's still going.

I'm sure it gets better ratings than the majority of their sitcoms that they spend $5 million per episode to shoot. This is us, dude? You kidding me? People love that one. I do believe he was talking about Baby Rock. Got picked up for a season, too.

Didn't The Rock start his own Ninja Warrior? Oh, yeah. Tiger Games. Maybe that's the new league. Joe Thomas almost died out there. Yeah. Still got to win because of the amount of grit that Joe Thomas has. By the way, talk about Joe Thomas twice today.

Big sausage wheels at Gravy Train today was Joe Thomas. He was on there. Who else? Victor Cruz, he lost for us didn't he he did yeah I wouldn't have won that by the way I would have puked all over that thing it was not an easy like obstacle course and we need to bring back and we've said this a lot

American gladiators needs to be brought back the standard the final the tennis ball shooting at the deal yeah oh yeah I tried to get it in here yeah couldn't find one couldn't find one couldn't find a tennis ball can. I tried to set it up on the things for when the boys walked in. Mezzanine, yeah.

Yeah, when the boys walked in the office. If you could recreate that final thing where the elevated gladiators shooting the tennis balls, that would be – how much money could you make just charging people to run through it? It knows so much money. I'm surprised it's not in the ninja gyms that you go to. But how about that big-ass fucking – Yeah, the rocket launcher. That had the worst aim

in history that thing was worse than the state fair little rifles that try to you have to shoot out the star that kid missed the whole set some people that was unbelievable hey listen when 225 pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal malibu was up on that fucking gun you might as well say goodbye pal there's a reference people won't get. Unlike Jackie Chan. That's why this thing has come full circle and we have to get to a break. I will try to get, by the way, I will try to get American Gladiators back. Let's go.

I will try my best. Before we go to break, that's when we get this out in the universe. Adult aggro crack as well. If we could get that. I don't know about that. Do you have it? Adult guts too. What are they having?

They have Legends of Hidden Dead. Come back adult style. Come back. The American Gladiators for adults. You know, like, let me and Marshawn, you know, and some other people potentially have microphones on that thing. You know, have adults in there. Yes.

Understand that, ooh, he's, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, eating shit out there because of blah, blah, blah. I think, man, remember the big swing set that they had? Oh, yeah. Turbo ball where they just ran and dumped it in the little buckets and the guys were tackling them. How about adult guts, too? Make it happen. By the way, a lot of people think it's a styrofoam. No, this is from the actual fucking movie.

Yeah. Piece of the crag. That's right. I've never heard of that show. That's styrofoam horror. What's that? Michael Allen? I've never heard of that show.

Send it over to Judge Moe in the stripes? I hadn't either until you guys. What? What a fucking despicable... Must be a Pittsburgh thing. No, it's not. It's global. Actually, Global Guts.

Look, Canada. Bingo. Come on, AJ. This guy stinks. So is this show. Hey, Connor agrees with me and then whispers, Global Guts. Guts Clown. Yeah, I mean, I know the name, so.

So do you. This show stinks. Not as bad as the display of knowledge you guys are having for legendary things right now. Jackie Chan's one of them. Global Guts is definitely another one. American Gladiators, absolutely. AJ Hawk, I think you're on your way, too, with all your fucking takes that you've been spitting out the last couple of days. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show.

The fact you allow us to penetrate your ear holes, I am eternally grateful for. We got a big-ass monster show coming tomorrow. I mean, to be clear, when I say that, I have no idea, obviously, what's coming tomorrow. But I just got a feeling when we wake up tomorrow, we're going to record a show that people are going to say, Hey, that's an above-average show. So, appreciate you being a part of this whole ride with us. I'm eternally grateful for it. Hashtag end of pod squad.

Let's keep that thing going. And Ty, please play some independent music and repel these people into a beautiful Tuesday night for a massive fucking Wednesday. Happy Tuesday. Cheers. Thank you. අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි Thank you. Thank you.