The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 437 - Shams Charania, Jay Glazer, & Nigel Seeley

Episode Date: June 16, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about Kevin Durant's insane performance against the Bucks last night, the Euros and why it's been difficult to get invested in the action, Kawhi Leonard's injury, and much more. Joining the program to break down everything about the NBA playoffs, the Chris Paul coaching situation, and the potential coaching changes that are going to be happening in the offseason is friend of the show, NBA Insider for The Athletic and Stadium, Shams Charania (12:27-30:57). Next, NFL Insider for FOX and friend of the show, Jay Glazer joins the program to chat about the Aaron Rodgers situation and whether he's heard anything else, the hold out's were seeing around the NFL, everything Jay has been doing off the field to help veterans and former NFL players, and much much more (32:30-52:57). Later, a man from Hollywood, one of the guys the Ari Gold character was based on, Jeff Jacobs of CAA joins the program to chat about how Entourage came to be and how one of the most iconic TV characters of all-time was based on him, plus the vibe he gets from the show (1:18:15-1:36:18). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Wednesday, June 16th, 2021. What a show. Packed show today. Today actually kind of a banger. Yeah. We said yesterday tomorrow's show is going to be big. It was. It kind of was. Yeah.

We broke some news, had some good conversation, learned some things, went international again. I mean, let's go, huh? Let's go. It was a great show today. If you like the show by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Yeah, let's go, huh? Let's go. It was a great show today. If you like the show by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Yeah, let's get into it. To be honest, it could be soccer today leading off with the Euros stink. Yeah, yeah.

Terrible. They stink. Cristiano Ronaldo, hell of a performance. Hey, Cristiano. Hell of a performance yesterday, Cristiano. Way to do it. Way to play soccer well. Hey, he had that penalty.

He had that penalty, and then he scored another goal that was absolutely filthy. The Euros are still happening right now, I believe. Russia and Finland are playing at 0-0, I think. They just finished. Wales and someone else is on, right? Wales and Turkey's playing.

Okay, so we'll keep our eye on that. We watched France-Germany yesterday. Obviously, that was an absolute battle out there. Benzema back from a six-year suspension with the French national team due to a collusion situation happening behind the scenes. He had a big-time goal yesterday. They were so happy for him. Massive.

They were like, wee, wee. And Mbappé in the box. They were like, no, no. Mbappé got murdered from behind, obviously. The internet said it was a clean tackle. I disagree. No, we watched it live. Yeah, we watched it live.

R.I. seen it. And we did a VAR ourselves, which is their review system over there. And we seen it. Penalty. Murdered. And then there was an offsides goal that happened. They got taken back. You know, excitement was there, and then it was taken back.

Kind of soccer in general. We will continue to watch the heroes because it's sports on the television so it's much better than whatever else could be on the television but the big story today on this wednesday june 16th guess what kevin durant's all the way back there he is hey kevin durant is all the way back oklahoma city obviously fresh out of texas i got a chance to watch him at texas obviously west virginia there's a little bit of a tie in there not whenever i was there, but the West Virginia basketball team was good. So, obviously,

I'm watching high-end college basketball. What Kevin Durant did in Texas was unbelievable. Then when he goes to Oklahoma City, this guy's a guy. Didn't really know much about him, though. Right? Had no tattoos, but then I heard he had all the tattoos. They're like, no, no, actually, he is completely tatted. Chooses not to

tat his arms for whatever reason. I'm like, oh, cool. Interesting guy. Then you start hearing about his investments. Then you start hearing about the business and the burners and everything else. I'm like, is this the most interesting dude maybe walking this earth? The way he's built, his attitude, his intelligence, the way he can play. It is an anomaly alien type situation possibly in Oklahoma City. Then he decides to do the unthinkable. Oh my god. He wants to win. This guy fucking stinks everybody.

He goes to Golden State. Absolutely lights it up alongside the Splash Brothers. Becomes the guy by the way. On that particular team. They win. They start a dynasty. Then it becomes the Hamptons house situation. Who wants Kevin Durant? He's injured. We don't know when he's going to come back the Nets end up winning and it's like okay Brooklyn is now the spot we didn't get a chance to see it for a long time and last night without Kyrie Irving and a hampered James Harden who by the way was still

pissed about everything yeah hey listen I'm not making shots all right I'm not really doing much tonight because I'm not really fully all the way back. Maybe next game I'll be all the way back or whatever. I was able to bounce out of adult ballets fresh onto a Brooklyn Nets court and look very good, although they thought I was fat in Houston at the beginning of the season. He was not all the way back last night missing something. He was still bitching, though. Oh, yeah? Hey, he was still motivating.

That's a foul. He was still leading in those refs. I mean, they were getting full from James Harden and he was walking off great. Hey, great parade. Great twist. He was twisted up. That probably hurt, by the way, to happen. I don't know.

I've got it done to my hair one time. It hurt like hell. Beard was obviously flawless. Wasn't his best game, though, so guess who we need? Aside from Green, 27 points. Hey, Kevin Durant, you're going to have to do it tonight. I think Steve Nash even told him, like, hey, listen, Kyrie, you saw what happened to his ankle on that big, dumb-ass G foot the other night?

He's out, dude. James, we saw him earlier today. He can barely run. We had him questionable just an hour ago. He's playing just strictly because we don't have enough guys to put on the court. You're going to have to do it tonight. And he did. Early, it wasn't great.

I don't think early he wasn't as dominant. But in the second half, late in that game, after being down a lot to Milwaukee, that show that Kevin Durant put on put us right back into a couple years ago whenever he was on the Golden State Warriors, right back into whenever he was at Texas thinking this guy could be the guy. He proved last night once again that he is maybe the most electrifying point scorer that basketball has had in a long even if he's over at fucking rucker park you remember a rucker park he he i think he might have scored 70 points that

night on every single person that was there he has like that savage mentality oh yeah both on and off the court that was awesome to watch last night i also enjoyed watching james harden do james harden whenever he wasn't scoring like james harden or doing anything like james harden i like that next team i know a lot of people hate him uh but i'm happy to see that they're not going to be watching James Harden do James Harden whenever he wasn't scoring like James Harden or doing anything like James Harden. I like that Nets team. I know a lot of people hate them, but I'm happy to see that they're not going to be gone by any means. I think Kevin Durant's going to go ahead and strap them right onto their back right now. Easily.

And he played every single minute. He didn't come out of the game one time. So it was one of those situations where it was Steve Nash, hey, you're going to have to put the team on your back and never come out. How about that hug between Steve Nash and Kevin Durant? It was a full, maybe the most intense hug I've seen in some time there by old Steve Nash. His face was just so locked in.

Fucking thank you, man. We're going to lose to Milwaukee, dude. You know how much money we spent to get everybody here? This owner was going to kill me if we didn't. Thank you so much. It was cool to see him have to flip on that switch because when you have Steph or Klay, if Kevin Durant's having an off night,

normally they just start funneling the ball somewhere else. Not that he's ever having an off night, but it's not like he has to either combat or battle with the team being down when they're at Golden State. It's like other guys also being questioned and asked. Last night, it was just Kevin Durant. That was awesome, dude. I'm so fucking pumped for him.

I feel like he doesn't get the respect he deserves just because of the burner counts and stuff like that. People, I feel like, personally dislike him, but when he's on like that, it's tough to find someone who's more entertaining to watch. There was a three in the fourth. I don't remember which one. Obviously, the pass from James Harden

with like four seconds to go and the shot clock shot. James put him in a good situation. Great pass. Great pass to him, getting the ball to him. He just puts that up and it falls, and he does the full yell thing. That had to be a pretty cool feeling for him, by the way. Like, oh, yeah, everything I'm shooting is going in,

except for the first foul shot of two shots that could have got me to 50, which I enjoyed him loudly screaming fuck, by the way, on the court and in that entire arena. But that pass and that shot was awesome because it was just like, okay, this dude's a bucket right now. The first one that led off that entire thing, though, it felt like he just had this different,

it looked like he was locked in. I don't know if that was me just imagining something and maybe I was so doped up, I thought I was seeing some stuff. But, like, as he was shooting that, I thought to myself, I was like, oh, okay, like, hey, Easy Money Sniper is locked in right now. Then the next time down, bang. And then he shot one from, like, the logo, and it was a brick or whatever,

after a timeout. They called a timeout. I think old buddy from Milwaukee, the insurance sales guy, he was like, hey, we've got to slow this down a little bit. That whole thing, that whole run with Kevin Durant, the NBA needs Kevin Durant to do that all the time. Big time. Right now especially.

Especially with Kawhi Leonard being out. He's got a sprained knee or something like that. I assume that's ligament. He's out indefinitely. Who knows how long that is if he was playing, if they think he could play. Basketball is so much back and forth. Very hard floor as well. I assume they'll assume though nah i don't want to say that no because i don't know how the nba operates it's the playoffs though it's kawaii who's one of your stars i don't know how much this is pain management or actual you know structural damage moving forward but the

clippers don't need this they were about to get hot and maybe win back L.A. after LeBron did his whole thing. And then as of this morning, the fairy tale story out of the desert with the Phoenix Suns fans lining up outside of guys' cars and Rolls Royces losing their mind. You got fans in the stands with mullets beating the fuck out of other fans. The Phoenix Suns were all the way back. Devin Booker's dating a Kardashian. They're doing their entire thing.

They beat the Lakers. What are we doing? How you doing? Keep it moving. They're going to go on a run. Suns in four. They sweep. Fucking COVID.

Oh, no. Come on! Hey, we thought Jon Rahm was the last guy. Yeah. Didn't we? We thought Utah Jazz to Jon Rahm. Swan song. That was it. what a run that

was the covid sports hits utah jazz game everybody's gonna get out of the arena do not panic once again if you do not leave this arena everybody will die but please do not panic please keep it down everybody is yelling too loud you might die if you continue to yell at each other. That was wild. That was our introduction. Next day, March Madness was delayed and then inevitably canceled. I mean, that was the start of the whole thing. We thought John Rahm's six-stroke lead, about, I don't know,

at least $2 million about to go into his bank account. All of a sudden, Uncle COVID comes sliding. We thought that was the last one. That was a couple weeks ago. The world's back. New York just lifted all their mandates. That's where this whole thing started at, basically. California's got their shit.

50-some thousand people at a Dodgers game last night. We thought everybody's all the way back. How you doing? Keep it moving. John Rom, lose a couple million a couple weeks ago. Phoenix Suns just get done sweeping. Hey, Chris Paul, you never won a championship before, right? Hey, people are going to talk about your legacy on whether or not you won a championship, right?

Everybody's basically out now that could potentially stop this team that you're on right now, but hey, by the way, fucking COVID, dude. Get the fuck out. Get in the protocol. Hey, see you later. And that's the difference between LeBron James and everybody else in the NBA. Whoa! Hey, LeBron goes to a COVID party. Hey, you know what, LeBron? Go ahead. He didn't go. It wasn't

a COVID. It was a tequila. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Launch. In theory, in theory, Chris Paul's doing everything he can to will his team to win, and he gets the vaccine allegedly, and now he's not allowed to punt. So you're saying because LeBron was shoulder shimmying with Drake at that tequila thing. Yes. You're saying you're assuming somebody in there had COVID at some point? Absolutely.

You're wrong because LeBron had everybody tested. That's right, sure. They had to walk in with the vaccine. They had to hit him with this one right here. Okay. That's what they had to do. Chris Paul was out there, what? Now, Jalen Rose said, and to quote somebody from Hollywood, okay,

I'm not sure Jalen Rose is Walter Cronkite on news breaking, especially of this magnitude. Right. But I would assume Jalen Rose is Walter Cronkite on news breaking, especially of this magnitude. But I would assume Jalen would know, right? Jalen's not going on get up just to say, he's vaccinated too. Like that's pretty big piece of information, especially in the world we're in right now. I think there's a lot of, are you allowed to ask? Is this a HIPAA thing? Can you say it?

Can you not say it? Are people being secretive about it? Some people are just like, hey, I don't want to have to do the mask thing. I'm just trying to get some cereal. Some people are like that. I don't think everybody's like that. So that'll be the next, you know, why did he get the vaccination then? Does he have it or is it the protocol because he was around somebody that had it?

Isn't that why you get the vaccine so that you don't get it if you are around somebody that got it? How does that affect the protocol? I don't know. I'm just kind of this is a wild time for Adam Silver, especially with Jalen saying he is vaccinated. And then now the Suns being back for the first time in a long, long, long time. And then the LeBron thing. I didn't even think about that. But you're obviously LeBron hater with that.

I'm just throwing it. Just think about that, but you're obviously LeBron hater with that into the mix. That is something. Adam Silver's got to kind of sit on this and stare this down like, what the fuck's going on? I would assume if he is vaccinated, though, what he only needs, so if he doesn't have COVID, he only needs to pass two tests that show negative, and it's only 2-2 in the other series. Luckily,

I don't... Luckily, Suns in four. Luckily, Suns in four. I don't think he's going to miss any time. I mean, you hope that he should be back to go whenever the Western Conference finals start. If it wasn't for Suns in four, this little COVID protocol sitch with Chris Paul, COVID Chris probably becomes a little bit of a problem for the Suns. Yeah, a lot scarier. And the NBA as a whole.

Right. Thank God for Suns and Four. Absolutely. Joining us now to see if what we are guessing and saying is accurate is senior insider at The Athletic and I think at the stadium, I believe, a man who calls us and always has the freshest fade on this show with a wildly impeccable beard almost every time ladies and gentlemen joining us now now maybe not a beard but you get it like a good shape yeah like a fade and he's

always sitting in front of like a triangle thing yeah like a spaceship yeah he is like he's up there with fucking uh old bezos up yeah it's like he's sitting in bezos's seat that somebody paid 28 million dollars to sit alongside to go to space. That's what it feels like when this man's talking to us. And that's because his information in the NBA out of this world. Second to none. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Charron. Yeah!

Yeah, he does. Yeah, Zito tried to tell me I was wrong about the beard. He was like, no, I actually you always have that like perfectly primmed five o'clock shadow. You know what I mean? I got to, man. Especially when I'm coming on your show. Do you cut your own hair?

Is that why you always have that fresh fade? I do not cut my own hair. I do my own beard. If I cut my own hair, I would probably mess it up. I did during the quarantine. It did not go well. I'll send you pics on the side. But my beard, I will take credit for my beard.

Okay. Well, you do a great job there. And we will post those pics. They'll be on the side but my beard i i will take credit for my beard okay well you do a great job there and we will post those pics they they'll be on the side for you they'll be you know full court press for us the next time you come on so maybe don't send it to us but shams big day here for you okay there's a lot going on kawaii sprained knee chris paul covet situation which i would like to talk about first and then everything else going on in the the NBA with coaches being fired and all this. Maybe somebody's moving talk. There's a lot to chat about. We can't thank you enough for joining us. Let's dive right in to the Chris Paul COVID situation. What we just landed upon in our conversation, because we do our brainstorming live on air, is there a chance that if it wasn't for Suns in four, this would be a real problem, not only for the Suns and the NBA,

because he would have to miss some time. Right now, with the other series battling, he's not going to miss anything, right? Is that kind of the thought of this? Is this a protocol suspension, but inevitably not going to be worth anything in the end? No games will be missed or anything? Well, there's no question.

If they were in the series now, Chris Paul would be sitting game. So that's why his status going into the conference finals the game one could be Sunday or it could be on Tuesday so if his status is very much in doubt to start uh the Western Conference Finals there is fear within that organization within that locker room that he does have to sit to start that Western Conference Finals series and obviously that in and of itself is a major blow for this Suns organization. And so, you know, Chris Paul, he's he entered protocols.

You know, the worst case scenario is that he's going to sit at least 10 to 14 days due to the, you know, quarantine and isolation period. But if he is vaccinated from the coronavirus, that quarantine time does go down. And so for him, that will be kind of these next few days will be the major telltale moment. Will he eventually test negative in the next few days? How does that impact this situation? Because if he is vaccinated, that does impact his status what does that change uh if he if he you said 13 day quarantine if he's not vaccinated is that because he was around somebody with covid he tested positive for covid do we not know that yet what is the whole thing and if he's vaccinated

in that same situation happen how long is the the holdout there do you know that do we have this information well i see i i don't i i'm not going to speak to whether he's positive or he's not positive. But but there has been a a regulated kind of timetable where guys have missed during, you know, coronavirus related absence. Right. Usually you see either a week or you see 10 to 14 days. The worst case scenario, of course, is that, you know, it's that 10 to 14 days range. of course, is that, you know, it's that 10 to 14 days range. But the fact that he is vaccinated, you know, the fact if he is vaccinated, it'll, you know, change and it could shorten his period of isolation if, you know, if that is the case. So when you hear Jalen Rose say on TV this morning that he is vaccinated, does that make you immediately go into your contacts and say,

hey, is Jalen Rose knows something that we don't? Who all knows that information, and is Jalen Rose right, you think? Listen, it's up to each individual player to eventually announce whether they are vaccinated or they're not vaccinated. From what I'm told, the belief is that Chris Paul and most of the Suns roster was vaccinated. So that is the belief within the organization. But again, for me to say that he's vaccinated or he's not vaccinated,

I leave that up to Chris Paul. All I can do is report what I know, Pat. Hey, that's very smart, by the way, because we actually had a full conversation on the releasing of information. Is that a HIPAA thing? Is there a privacy thing? What is it? Because it's such a touchy subject that none of us ever expected to be in a situation where that would

potentially be a conversation piece, by the way. But here we are with no blueprint going forward. Sham Sharania joins us, insider. Welcome to my world. I mean, this is, you know, you need to have a level of sensitivity. You know, some guys don't want their COVID positives out. Some guys do. Some guys don't. Sometimes it's not even a positive. Sometimes it's just contact tracing.

But in this case, there really is, you know, a level of fear that it could be extended time. So we'll find out in the next, like, day or two whether or not, you know, whether or not he's vaccinated or whether or not he was tested positive. Like with the protocols, won't we kind of find out what it is? And then inevitably Chris is probably going to have to address the situation anyways because that Suns team has kind of taken over everything at this point. If they lose Chris Paul, that'd be a real shame, especially for the guy who beat the hell out of two Nuggets fans in a crowd. I mean, good for that guy. Good for the Suns.

Hopefully good news for Chris that his quarantine won't be as long as everything else. Let's talk about Kawhi Leonard. He's hurt. Sprained knee. Is this a pain thing? A structural thing? And how long do you expect him to be out? Because L.A.

Hey, the Clippers could have won back L.A., Shams. True. They could have won back all of L.A. Listen, man. This goes to show how fragile winning and losing is, right? Like injuries, COVID this year especially, these are all factors. And every year in the playoffs, you see injuries play a part, right, and play a role as far as the outcome of every single round.

But this year, more than ever, I mean, there's just been a lot of guys that have, you know, have – sorry. What'd you get? How long is he out for nothing yet um you know but but every year there's always something and so yeah with kawaii it is serious enough to where he's missing time to me any player that's missing the the critical playoff games it's a two-two series for him to be sitting tonight and really having the rest of his postseason the rest of his series up in the air in doubt it tells me that that it is a serious injury again the team says it's a sprained knee of the severity and and to what level it is it is up in the air right now let's go to last night's game uh hopefully by the way kawaii's all right. I mean, he just posterized

a guy last game. I mean, that was a big-time moment. If Kawhi's going to start doing that and Kevin Durant is going to continue to do what he did last night, that's good news for the NBA.

That's good news for everybody, I assume. James Harden, I think he had five points or something like that, was still, you know, I think working the refs a little bit

and some other things. What do you expect for James Harden to get back to full speed? Kyrie Irving, that looked bad. How long is that? And is this going to be the Kevin Durant show going for the foreseeable future for the Brooklyn Nets and Steve Nash? I mean, it's going to have to be.

You know, James Harden gutted it out, but you could tell, you know, his role was pretty much regulated to bring the ball up, trying to set up the offense, and really playing as a decoy on offense. And whether it's standing at the three-point line, trying to find ways to get to the paint, get his teammates involved, that was his role. You weren't seeing the same James Harden step back, slicing and dicing through the lane. He just was not at that level. So if that's the case for the remainder of the series, for the playoffs, it's going to be the KD show. And what he did last night was, I think, it was an all-time performance. It was one for the playoffs. It's going to be the KD show. What he did last night was an all-time performance. It was one for the ages. Without James

Harden at 100% capacity and Kyrie Irving, his status being up in the air for the rest of this series at the very least. It's crazy. All these guys, Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, Kyrie Irving, these are three all-NBA type guys that are

going to be missing time here. Critical time. Kyrie Irving. These are three all-NBA type guys that are going to be missing time here. Critical time. And so Kyrie Irving, I just would be shocked. The way he sprained his ankle, I would be shocked if he plays the remainder of the series. What do you do? Are you just getting texts at all times? Like, hey, I got something potentially coming. And when you look off the screen, I'm like, oh, here we go.

What's going on? How long is he out for? Is there another COVID situation? Is your whole day just working those phones? Huh? It's just text messages coming through. Sometimes I look I look at my phone, you know, sometimes I get this alert on my on the phone, it just comes up other times I get it on my on my Mac. So it's just kind of tracking the text messages all day.

Edie Q on the man. Here we go, Shams. How come you basketball people and all those conversations you have on your cell phone, on your Mac, on your tablet. No, probably not your tablet. Probably. Your iPad. That whole thing. By the way, Microsoft tablet.

Good marketing with the NFL because that was the first thing I thought of there instead of the iPad, which was the OG of the whole fucking thing. Yeah. Surface Pro. Shout out to Microsoft, I guess. Yeah. Go for it. Oh, no. Can't do out to Microsoft, I guess. Yeah, go for it. Oh, no.

Can't do that. Can't do that. Yeah. Who knows what we're giving a shout out to then. Jesus Christ. Anyway, Shams, how come you guys in all those conversations you have in the basketball world don't have Kevin Durant as one of the greatest of all time? How come that never happens?

How come that conversation only comes after he almost has a 50-15-10 playoff game? By the way, he's had 50 in the playoffs before. So how come that never happens until then? What's up with your community over there? Listen, I can't speak for the rest of the people. I mean, in my mind, and I've always said this whenever I've talked about Kevin Durant, this guy literally, like, he sleeps, he eats everything basketball. He loves the game.

He's a student of the game. He loves watching film. I remember having a conversation with Quinn Cook about how he'll go to Kevin Durant's house. Kevin Durant would literally force him to watch tape of Kobe or MJ or any all-time great. He studies the game constantly. So to see a guy that really loves the game and then absorb everything and then put it out there and execute stuff that he's wanted to do his whole life. I mean, it's a beautiful watch. You have to give him credit.

I'm sure there are some fans and people out there that want to discredit him for going to Golden State, but to me, he's definitely one of the best scorers ever, one of the best players to play. There's no question. LeBron did the same type of thing when he went down to Miami. And by the way, I love both moves. Now, I don't necessarily love how LeBron chose to do it.

But I think that was ESPN's fault. Yep. And then ESPN buries him for it, which is pretty fascinating after watching the whole documentary on that. But Kevin Durant going up there wanting to win, like, I want people that want to win. And the fact that you tell me that when people show up at his house, he's like, hey, listen, or when other NBA guys show up,

I've been watching you at practice. Let's turn on some film here. You start doing shit like this, we'll be in a good spot. All right, have a good day, dude. And they leave and then somebody, just like a team meeting is happening at his house. I love hearing that. That solidifies my thought about Kevin Durant going anymore. Breaking news, I guess, is coming through.

I think this was a text message that you probably received while you were doing this interview and you passed on breaking that so you can continue to talk to us. The breaking news is Chris Paul,ul i guess does does have covet chris paul did have a positive test says john gambadoro sounds like pies on here got this before you do you know who this guy is shams and was this kind of known by everybody is that why you kept saying 14 day quarantine earlier yeah i mean you know i'm never going to be the one to reveal it so pat take it for you know i tried i tried to i tried to lay it all out yeah yeah yeah yeah without you know so but that means that positive test means

it's it's you know it's it's been 10 to 14 days in the regular season, but these protocols have been changing. And if a player does test positive but he is vaccinated against it, it is up to how the testing goes. So I do believe it could be shorter than that 10 to 14-day window. All right, Shams. What do you know? How many days? Come on.

Come on. Guess what? There's the next series. The next series is probably going to be, what do you know? How many days? Come on. Come on. Guess what? There's the next series. The next series is probably going to be Sunday or Monday. Sunday or Tuesday. When's the next series? That's when that one's ending? Or is that when that one ends?

Three games left, potentially, unless one of the teams. I told you guys. There's a lot of fear, a lot of doubt. He does not start the conference finals. So we'll see how that goes. First of all, we'll miss probably the first game of the conference finals but then he'll be back on the other side that is just what we have heard okay that is alleged but let's go ahead and run with that because he did say earlier that chris did hey

listen he did have buzz if that's basically without saying it that's what we appreciate the hell out of you thank you thank you uhams. Go ahead, Ty. Shams, a couple coaches have gotten fired today and I think there's also a report that John Calipari is interested in going back to the NBA. Have you heard anything about that? Do you see that as an actual possibility? I haven't heard his name in NBA

circles. I'm sure John, it seems like he pursues the NBA every two, three years as far as trying to get back in. Is that right? I have not heard his name. I think there are a lot more viable candidates. Is that right, Shams? He tries to get back on a regular basis.

This isn't big news. This is just like a normal thing in the Calipari cycle of coaching? It has been since I started covering the league. Really? How come he doesn't go? Is it because of lack of interest from the NBA? Or is he just doing this to keep the interest? What do you think it is?

I think it's a mixture of, you know know he's got a great gig at kentucky and you know you see him resign on deals and uh you know it's always i think a game of leverage it's a game of i do think there has been interest from nba teams at different points but as of like this year and last cycle i have not heard him as a serious candidate see that's good news on why you come on the show because none of us knew that. We thought this was the first time he had ever said that. Cal's back. Cal's back.

Go to the NBA. He hates this. Hey, he's done with the one and dimes. He's tired of grinding it out every year in the recruiting. Coach K's leaving. What are we even doing here? And by the way, there's agencies that are about to start paying high schoolers to play basketball.

I don't want to compete with that. Go your money that's how that's how we got people now they're going to get more money from other people maybe i thought this was big news you're like nah very normal here okay let's uh let's keep it moving who's coaching zion who is zion moving what's going on how do we get this guy hey how do we get this guy on a team that at least is in a play-in game for the playoffs And how are they looking to restructure That entire place down there in New Orleans What are your thoughts on that

I mean I do think that There's something about the news breaking They're gonna be You know I would look at guys like Jack Vaughn, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd Those are really the names that I'm looking at As far as the next coach But the fact that You gotta look at as far as the next coach. But the fact that, you know, you've got to look at this.

The fact that the Pelicans hired Stan Van Gundy on a four-year big money contract and then they have to bait with him after one season, that is a direct reflection of that organization. And so I think this is just going to open the can of worms for the franchise. Hey, they aren't going to like that. I get attacked whenever I say, get Zion out of of there unless they want to bring everybody to zion that's cool we need zion on tv right now playing you imagine zion had a kevin durant light night like last night don't the pelicans fans want that for zion doesn't he deserve that doesn't he deserve

that uh what is the news is there news you're missing right now because it seems like there's a lot popping off in your life just just text messages that's all but nothing nothing of no uh i would say in washington you know like scott brooks is out a name i would really look at sam sam cassell uh the six years assistant coach so there's a nugget for you pat okay thank you sam cassell congrats on the washington work sam not done okay shams yeah we overreact though that's what we do everybody knows that connor what do you have yeah shams uh jason tatum and donovan mitchell both missed out on 33 million dollars for not making an all nba team is that common for guys to have escalators that massive yeah i mean that's

been the case really for the last uh couple, especially once the Supermax contract got instituted in the league in the last decade. So it is what it is. The All-NBA is tied to media voting, and that's where some of these guys' escalators stand. Hey, listen, do you vote for that? Do you have a vote? I do.

Let's go, Sean! This is my second year voting. Hey, that's a lot of pressure, man. You actually have to know what you're talking about because there's a lot of responsibility in that because there is like $32 million on the line for some people and legacies and everything like that. I think the media voting for awards that actually mean something to the credibility

isn't always the best idea i mean the baseball hall of fame riddled with controversy because media members either hold grudges or have a different standard than everybody else that's associated with the sport the nfl all pro which is a media vote thing like i always found that very interesting i was voted all pro and even when i got voted all pro i was like none of these people know why i'm pro pat now see sean's but nobody knows why i deserve to be the all pro though like no media member knows what i'm doing punting wise so it was cool but it was also like they're just voting because somebody potentially told them to vote you know it's a it's a you got a lot of pressure in there what i'm saying is i hope you take it serious sean's that's all i'm saying

and i do i know you do. As you do your job every single day at the Athletic in the stadium, we appreciate you so much, Shams, for keeping us informed on what's going on in the world. We don't follow that closely. Thank you. Appreciate you, as always. Thanks, guys.

Any more news coming today or no? I got nothing right now, but when I do, you know you'll see it. I'll be on. How about is Charles Barkley leaving? What's going on with that? Did you hear that whole story inside the NBA? I got nothing see it. I'll be on. How about is Charles Barkley leaving? What's going on with that? Did you hear that whole story inside the NBA? I got nothing on that. I got nothing on that.

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Whether he choose to release it or not, that is up to Jay fucking Glazer. Ladies and gentlemen, Fox Insider, a man who's been around the NFL forever. Also a founder of Merging Vets and Players, an incredible foundation. Merging veterans from the military and retired players to create the community. Again, he's featured in GNC now, along all GNCs. Ladies and gentlemen,ake ladies what up hey the beard looks awesome hey that's my off-season look i feel like a grown-up yeah you look good like i hope that now you see that gray that you have there you see like i hope i

have that i got little spurts of it i hope i I have the full silver, you know, the full silver bad boy. Trust me, as much as stress I have, shit. If you have that, you'll get it. Trust me. Okay, you got it. It's stress, baby. It's stress. Hey, is Ty back from his wedding? Yeah, Ty is back from his weekend trip.

How you doing? Are you guys still married? I actually haven't got married yet. That's next weekend. That was a bachelor weekend, I believe. Yeah, that was my bachelor party. Oh, so it hasn't happened yet. So she still has time to get out of this.

Yes. Hypothetically, yes, she does. So I know you guys bet a lot. What are the odds that you're actually going through with this? No, pretty good. Hey, Caitlin and Ty, I mean, they are a great tag team. But I think there are some other relationships, potentially, that we know of that we go, probably not going to make it.

But not this one. This one feels like, this one feels good, Jay. Do you, you were married, right? For a whopping 10 months. How's that happen? How's that happen though?

It just. Hey Pat, let's not get into that brother. Well, Jay, we're, congrats on the marriage. I hope you're both in a better place now. But let's talk about...

That was 2004. So how about this, though? I think that was 2005 to 2006. This whole time, according to Wikipedia and Google, I've been married, which has totally fucked me when you're a single guy. They look you up and it says you're married.

And it took, actually, Fox PR finally got me unmarried this year like a month ago this whole time i couldn't get it off google wikipedia hey welcome back yeah congrats welcome back he's single all right jay um let's talk about the merging vets and players in GNC, because that's awesome. I used to see you in the LA gym before you opened Unbreakable or whatever. You were working with Chuck and a lot of NFL guys, and the community was a big part of what you were preaching there. And then Unbreakable, it really became a community for the stars almost. A lot of big time players that lived in LA would train there stars would then train there then you guys had a lot of people inviting the

vets in i believe uh green beret uh nate boyer nate boyer is a part of that he was inviting vets you created this community over there then a foundation that's now on gnc you should hey you should thank you i know you're not you weren't single on the internet when you started that, but that's really cool stuff, Jay. You should feel good about that. You know what, Pat? But here's the thing. You and I talked about this a little bit and, you know, I've been in the league since 93,

just covering the Giants. And man, I always say like my baby sister, Michael Strahan and I, we've just seen way too many of our friends in the NFL just go by the wayside when the uniform comes up. And, you know, you and I talked a little bit about it. I wish like you're successful because you use what made you beat out millions and millions and millions to play in the NFL. You use that in your next step of life. Too many of these players don't do that.

And it's not the uniform that made you great. It's behind your rib cage. That makes you different. And the commonality with with these nfl players and our war fighters our veterans when their uniform comes off too many of them are lost too many and forget what their greatness is and again it's not it's not that uniform it's what you already have behind you but who reminds you of that so you know in a locker room they can remind you that when you lose your locker room man the world's a scary place these days right with social media

and you're comparing yourself to everybody else's filtered fraction of a second bullshit. But how are you supposed to feel good about your life, especially when you lose that locker room. So we're putting this locker room back together. We're in six cities. Now, we're about to open our seventh man, the the number of suicides that we've been able to prevent the number of people we've been able to save, they've saved me. I've talked to you guys openly about my depression, anxiety. They've saved me a shit ton. And you know, it's interesting, because we just had a big summit out here at my house, we brought in all our

employees together to kind of, you know, big, big deal trying to, you know, how we're going to move forward. And, you know, I told these vets, I said, Look, when our players hear your stories, they're like, Oh, my God, right. And I told these vets, I said, look, when our players hear your stories, they're like, oh, my God. Right. And one of our vets said, well, you know what? When we're in war, these athletes, they saved us because we come back from a mission. We can't wait to watch a football game or to watch a fight. Back then, some of them had like there's like VCR tapes and DVD tapes.

And they said that has really helped us you know saved us in war so it's time that we save them now man which is pretty cool yeah that's amazing jay it's really cool i did not know you had grown to so many cities excited to see where you are for the seventh one uh fucking awesome jay hey that's really really cool jay i would like to know that and that thing you said about the locker room telling you like hey you're all right or whatever is a big deal. I know there's, there's a lot of gifts and stuff like that, or that player in the game, actually grabbing that guy's jaw and lifting it up or whatever, instead of him sulking. And I would never, ever do that

in a million years, but those moments in a locker room where somebody says, Hey, like fucking get over it, dude, you're all right. That's a big deal. And sometimes whenever you lose that reminder, I'd assume a spiral could potentially start. i appreciate you jay let's talk a little brother can we talk a little football now you yeah hey let's talk some football let's start with boy aaron let's start with boy aaron what's that when's the last time you talked to aaron okay fascinating question jay are you trying to get a scoop from me right now jay jay glazer uh obviously is a man who he gave us some information the day of the erin news about five six hours before seven hours before whatever and he's like hey hey what's

going on something's going on i'm like whoa whoa so hashtag jay knew was born through that what do you know i have not heard from him on any front. Well, here's the thing, right? Mark Murphy comes out the other day. This is what I don't get. Like, what do you do? Why are you poking the bear? And for Mark Murphy to come out the other day and say our fan base is divided, what fan base would that be? Like, who out there in Green Bay is going, man, this is a huge controversy.

I think maybe it's time to go to Jordan Love. Fucking nobody. Like, you know, like like why are you doing that? Man? You know who the guy is? You know, your quarterbacks? Why come out and say, Well, he's the different, you know, he's a different fella and complicated, complicated felt like just what the only thing you should be saying right now is, Aaron, we love you, man, we got to put this back together. Because when

you don't have a quarterback in this league, life sucks, right? It sucks. And suddenly you don't know how to coach. Suddenly you don't know how to pick players. Suddenly you can't do your job. When you got a quarterback in this league, you're a lot smarter. You know how to pick players.

You're a much better coach. And then when your quarterback happens to be the MVP, you're even that much smarter. You can pick that much better players. Like, dude, what are you doing? There's no divided fan base over that. All right? Don't, don't, like, just, I don't get it.

I don't understand why they continue to fuck with him. Jay, so I heard from an insider on the television the other day, after the complicated fella, after the divided thing, and then now, you know, Aaron has, because Mark Murphy came out out and said we're not going to make this public even after saying that the the the audience or the crowd or the fans are divided or whatever he said we're not going to be public then he got then he went public yeah complicated fella aaron talked on a thing yesterday wearing the i'm offended shirt which is a youtuber

i don't know his name that aaron is a fan of shout out to him but like he said i don't normally get the option he's kind of been quiet about this whole thing. So the only thing we really know about any of this situation is what insiders say, whether it's James Jones, who says he thinks it could get fixed. AJ says he thinks it could get fixed. And then we saw on TV, Maz Yonah broke on ESPN. The lower third said, there are people around the NFL

who don't want this Aaron Rodgers situation to be successful for Aaron because they don't want the NFL to turn into the NBA where the stars get to pick and choose what they do and everything like that I guess is what they're alluding to what is the word around no here's the thing here's the thing if you're in the NFC man you're hoping this thing gets uh it implodes and they get them traded every NFCC coach you talk to, you go, what's going on with the Aaron situation? Man, I hope that thing blows up. You're in the NFC, you're sitting there going, man,

I really hope they can put it together. So just be careful who you talk to. I know he still wants out, without a doubt. Absolutely. Still wants out. Put it on the ticker. Put it on the ticker. Hey, Jay, we have to put it on the ticker, what you just said. Of course he still wants out.

They didn't suddenly come out and insult him and go, okay, now it's fixed. I guess that wouldn't make much sense. You're 100%. I guess it wouldn't make sense. You're right. What do you think happens? How do you think it plays out? Is their teams really interested?

Allegedly, the Broncos. Absolutely. Have they made offers? A couple teams interested. Has their offers been made? Have offers been made, do you think it plays out? What are you? Is there teams really interested? Allegedly the Broncos? They made offers? Is there offers been made? Have offers been made? You think? No, because it didn't even go that far. Because every time somebody called the Packers, it was immediately shut down. So look, what these teams need to do is continue to call and continue to call whether it's for him to Sean Watson, he's a guy like continue to call to show interest because what

happens in the NFL is teams are so afraid to make the first call, because you, they think you lose your leverage, but a lot of times, if you call a team for a player that's not available, but the player's giving you, you have troubles with them, a lot of times, these teams will go, all right, you know what, they keep calling, like, if they catch you on the right day, yeah, sit there and go, and players have been trained this way, go, you know what, we have another offer here, let's just get rid of the headache right now, let's just move on. But if no one calls, you don't really have that option to do it.

So it's always this game of chicken that goes on. Yeah, because in, you know, Art of War, you can't lose leverage. Oh, look at you. Yeah, no big deal, dude, huh? Be where they don't think you're going to be. Kind of a big deal around here right now. strong when you're weak be weak when you're strong the whole like i get it but that is something that potentially puts you into a bind leverage wise if you call out because you potentially look desperate but what you're saying

is like hey that's not the case because the the people in charge they might also be desperate at the moment and you might just be you might be catching up to a situation there and that's interesting how do you how do you know that stuff because you hear like trades that happen and then the post stories this has happened in the past yeah but you hear like post stories afterwards like we didn't want to call we didn't know anybody was in the game is that what happens people have like buyer's remorse yeah yeah there's been people that have been teams of the players have been traded in that situation where they tell you no, no, no, no, no. Then all of a sudden, man, he gets traded. I'm like, oh, what happened?

He's like, you know what? It's just, man, we didn't see how this was going to get fixed. There was an out right there for all of us, and we took it. Got it. Right? But if you don't make those calls, that's not really, you know, available. But, again, this is a situation we really shouldn't be talking about. Like, the Packers should do whatever they

possibly can to fix this with them like they really should i just just be careful what you wish for you know i know they look and go oh you know maybe we'll move on from aaron but after he has the type of year he has last year you got to run this in the ground and as long as all those wheels fall off you got to go i agree because you look pe Peyton, you know, we move on from Peyton. There's Luck sitting there. He goes and wins the Super Bowl, goes to another one. You look at, and by the way, people can say Peyton won that or not. He went to an organization that built a defense and a team around him where he won.

You look at Tom, obviously, his first year out. He's making decisions. He's calling plays. He's doing things. They win a Super Bowl. It's just I understand that it has happened in the past where a great player has gone on to go somewhere else. Brett Favre, right, is another one

where he had success. But it's like at this point, shouldn't we learn from that and be like, even if we view them as acting out of control, we don't get to decide what the greatest player on earth gets to act like. It's right now, it's like, hey, if this is what he wants,

okay, we should listen to that because we've learned in the past that it could potentially end up bad. But I'm happy you're on the same side as us. Jason Glazer, do you have a question, Todd? Yes, we got it. Yeah, I do. Jay, do you know – we heard yesterday we were talking to Dan Orlovsky, and he said basically that he thinks Trey Lance should just start for the Niners.

Do you see that actually happening? Like, have you heard anything about how he's doing at camp so far, what are they going to do with jimmy g so here's the thing if i'm them look kyle's system is really complicated sort of throw him in there right now probably not the smartest thing and i think they know that i don't think they're they're i don't think they drafted him with the intention of going with him right now they want to make sure that he learns for a while and it costs again kyle's system is very complicated. Once you get it, you get it, right?

You tear things up. So I think their plan right now is to go with Jimmy G, but also, you know, I think it's way too early to say anything

because they haven't done anything. I mean, when you run around in shorts and a helmet, everybody looks good. Hold on. So to that point,

how do you feel about Nagy with this Andy Dalton plan? Is that just to take the pressure off of Justin Fields or why do you think he's coming with this Andy Dalton plan? Is that just to take the pressure off of Justin Fields? Or why do you think he's coming out and saying, we have to execute our plan, we have a plan, Andy Dalton's the starter, which, by the way, do whatever you got to do.

But everybody has a plan until what, Jay? Until you get punched in the mouth. Bingo. What if they lose a game or two and they have to alter their plan then? It's like, why not just keep an open mind there? Do you know anything about that? Yeah, but it's the same thing. They haven't seen these guys, right?'t there's no you haven't had a

single practice yet you don't know and you and i've both seen way too many quarterbacks oh yeah they look great on paper and they come in this league and they can't process any of that and they're terrible and all of a sudden you know live bullets are flying like oh my college is way different speed than up here so if they can't process it on this level, but how do you make a decision without even seeing these guys in a single practice? These aren't practices right now. This is not even close to practice. This is like shadow boxing at one-tenth the pace. No one's throwing punches.

Jay, I agree. That's why whenever he came out and he even doubled down, he was like, there's no chance, basically. What if Justin Fields is just a guy? What if Andy you know just forgets how to play for some reason like i just think right now making these these proclamations are interesting but it's happening in new england which i assume connor you'd like to ask about yeah i was wondering actually about the guys sitting out steven gilmore uh chandler jones jamal adams uh xavian howard all these guys are holding out right now do you expect them all to get paid,

or do you think some of them will at least be on the move? I think a couple. You know, Gilmore, I don't see that happening. Don't see what happening? Man, Howard, I don't think they're going to extend him. I don't think Xavier Howard either down there. I think Jamal Adams, yeah, without a doubt. Chandler, probably.

But also, this is just you know these are mini camps guys make a statement i've seen guys miss all training camp tony gonzalez just all the training camp one year and all the preseason came in i think his first game he dropped like 158 yards or something we saw last year also a lot of guys just don't do the camp like you need to uh used to need camp because you had to look you got to build your culture out there. But also when it was all full hitting, you had to get your body used to it. Right? You had to spar and now just don't spar that much. So it's not as I

don't think it's certain positions, right? certain positions, certain positions. Yeah, I didn't go they got to see what they obviously have to see. You need kind of that feel but some of those veterans My point is, is you don't really need so much. Yeah, you're holding out a cap. Yeah, got it. Yeah. So don't worry about Stephon Gilmore. I think we knew that for the last couple years. That last year, last year at the trade deadline. It's crazy. Last year, and I had this listing and I and I put it on

Fox, he listed his house last year, before the trade deadline and said, offer or must be an escrow by and the date he gave and the time was 4pm the day of the trade deadline. So I actually had the listing and put it out on Fox. I got to you know, and I know that's not how real estate works. It's like, okay, I get traded. I need this done by, you know, I need an escrow by the time where I need it,

an offer by the time the trade deadline comes. But it was pretty hilarious. That's how it was listed. Didn't say trade deadline, but it was the time of day of the trade deadline where he listed his house by. Okay, so him, we kind of expected maybe a holdout to come. Xavier and Howard, I think that came out of nowhere, but they just paid the other corner.

No, that's not out of nowhere. No? He's been kind of. It's two years into us. Teams are calling about him for the trade. They were calling about him before the draft. They were calling about him last year. His name got thrown about in the trade during the trade deadline.

That's not out of left field. Really? Hashtag JNU. Hashtag JNU. Hashtag JNU. Hashtag JNU. Hashtag JNU. Hashtag JNU. JNU. JNU.

You guys are such dicks. No, no, no, no. But you did know. Literally. Hey, you guys, I told you. Y'all killed me in this because I, fuck, I do know. I know. By the way.

That's the whole thing about being this insider. You get all this info and you decide, what am I going to put in that? What am I not? And look, I told you, the guys like Schefter and Rapport and those guys, I did that minute-by-minute shit first, like a long time ago. Now, it's like, all right, let me just make sure I put the good stuff out on Fox NFL Sunday. But a lot of it also is like, when you don't put a certain story out, you get three other big stories that could use down the way.

Just just don't ever burn anybody in this business. Jay, listen, I want to let you know, Jay, we know that. And that is why, like it might have at the beginning for our listeners. And I think even for maybe some people that it was like not real. But literally, it feels like you fucking know everything that's going on. Cause how long you've been around and we appreciate that with that being said, is the Chandler Jones hold out because he saw JJ watches get paid 30 million. Is that what happened? Well,

I think even before that, I think, you know, these guys are going to try and strike when they can, right. And what they are. So, um,

I tell you what though, just talking to people over there, man, JJ has already made a monstrous difference over there. Just kind of in the attitude over there, the workout, all that stuff. Just he's made talking to people over there, man, JJ has already made a monstrous difference over there. Just something that's kind of the attitude over there to work at all that stuff. Just he's made a huge difference over there already. It's Look, look, we just went through a year where

it's hard to build culture. Right? culture is huge, man. You got to be able to lay it down for your brothers on your right and left. And if you don't have that culture, it's it's hard. So in a year where you're kind of all coming back together, you could reestablish your culture. I think that's where JJ's value comes in just as much as what he could do on the field. Okay, Jay, we appreciate you so much, man. The Julio Jones ending up in the AFC South, not for the Colts, was a heartbreaker for me. What a man. Hey, they were trying so and they were talking

to teams about future ones like 2023 2024 and they weren't able to get that and you know they end up look his contract was was was a big play in that where teams were kind of blow up and then i think him you know being banged up last year julioio Jones is a freaking monster, as we know. And that's – you're just kind of looking to go. I know that, you know, the Falcons were strapped in the salary cap. They kind of need to do that. And, yeah, Tennessee picking him up, that's going to be a problem. Yeah, you're damn right it is.

And the Colts had the cap. And guess what? We had every first from 2030 to 2042 we give them a 2031 first round or 2032 first round or no I can't wait to see that Jay we appreciate you popping out of your hibernation this offseason and joining us bub let's keep doing it man I love y'all but hey I gotta get you more involved with MVP we gotta get players from all sports to understand what you did in your transition. Because you guys, listen, you all spilled this blood out there.

You deserve, deserve to enjoy the transition, man. You all deserve it. I appreciate that. I'm trying my best. I would love to help out whenever, however you need me. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay Glazer. Yeah! Yay!

Love you, too, man. Ty, good luck in the wedding, bro. I appreciate it, Jay. Last more than me. Trust me. More than 10 months. Go do it. No, Jay! Love you too, man. Ty, good luck in the wedding, bro. I appreciate it, Jay. Last more than me. Trust me. More than 10 months. Go do it. No, you don't.

No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't. All right, now fuck it. Now fuck it. Thank you, Jay Glazer. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Jay.

Thank you. And a man who has been doing that for a long, long time. And is also a friend of Hammerdown and of this show. Ladies and gentlemen, brilliant soccer handicapper from the England, Nigel Sears. Thank you very much, guys. Thank you very much. Congratulations last night from the Hammerdown boys, 9-0. Unbelievable. Hey, those are nights.

Hey, Nigel, those are nights no matter how long you've been gambling, you've got to enjoy the hell out of. I was telling Gump, you've got to enjoy. 9-0, 7-0. You should be having the time of your life, right, Nigel? Listen, the amount of times I've gone 9-0, spent all the money in two days, have been borrowing it by the end of the week.

No problem. Nigel, Nigel, I am so happy I've been introduced into your existence because of Gumby coming in and in the soccer world happening. The last time you came on, you told us why that Capital One League where people are buying up. You explained to us why we were being American stooges, okay? Every time you come on, I appreciate it. Is it understandable that it's been tough for me to get into the Euros because I don't

have a team in it? Is that understandable? And what should I be looking for, you think, when it's your and what does it mean over there? Well, the first thing that I've done is I've seen some of your videos on Twitter explaining the European League, and I've given it to the my 17 year old son who's doing an A level like a degree in in geography european geography uh and he's flunked everything because of your bloody use

we're figuring it out over there you know nigel we're figuring it out hey whenever you're talking about like uh greenland and iceland up there oh that's way up there you know way up and then you know england the emerald isles too if know, England, the Emerald Isles, too, if I really know where they are. Of course. You know what I mean? France, you know. North Macedonia.

What I'm learning, Nigel, is I know nothing, okay, about Europe. I've been there a few times. I loved it. I enjoyed the people. I enjoyed the life. But I don't know enough about it. This Euros, this is massive? This is second behind the World Cup?

Or, like, your team in a Champions League winning? Where do you rank these Euros when it comes to fans over there? Well, I think if you ask most fans, soccer fans, obviously their club becomes more than their country. But I'm from a generation, I'm a bit older than most of the local fans, and I still want to believe that England will win.

The last time England won the major championship was in 1966, so I've got a long, long way to win something. So it's an emotional hope that we will win something. So I have some kind of emotion. But in terms of national football, this is without doubt the second biggest tournament over here in soccer in Europe. If you're an Italian, if you're French, if you're Spanish, this is your second.

You want to win the World Cup, priority number one. Second in the European Championship. And arguably the European Championship is a better competition to win the world cup priority number one second in the european championship and arguably the european championship is a better competition to win because there isn't so many weak teams i mean the world cup is a lot of weak teams but uh you know this is the best in the european it's very evenly matched but a lot of people imagine united family louisville fan and you want to win the championship of the premier league but for me if england wins something well you know like you say nice you'll remember it'll be months I'll forget, I think. Well, I can understand that because you're invested

because you haven't won since 1966. You'd like to see your team win or whatever. And I think that's my problem. Like, if the United States had a chance to go over and play in this, because, hey, they just won the CONCACAF, Nigel. That's right. We just won the CONCACAFel. That's right. We just won the concave. Let us in.

Let us in. I could play in that. No, you couldn't. You don't know. You don't know, Nigel. Easy. Easy as hell. I could play in gold with these on.

Still with that. No. Nice. It's a new day over here, okay? Our players went over to your guys' academies, learned how to do it, and then now they're coming back. I do believe we have a team coming. Is there any respect over there for the United States team

that could potentially, you know, come to be here? Oh, without a doubt. I mean, probably the fastest growing nation in soccer in the world, you know, with the development in the country. But like I said to a couple of American shows I've done, I'd leave it to the women. See, I don't know what you just said because your accent there. Couldn't hear a word.

I said the women are the flag bearers in soccer in America, aren't they? So they're the ones to beat. They're at the top of their game. But I think the trouble is, however much money's going to go into the American game, I feel that the grassroots, the Brazilians coming through, the Argentinians coming through, the English in the Premier League, the

money coming through, it's going to be very hard for them to compete at the top, top level. But, you know, quarterfinals, last 16, to win it, I think you're going to have a long, long wait. Probably London, England in 51 years since 1966. Listen, Nigel,

you know, that World Cup trophy, that's $20 million. Hey, guess what? It's finally coming home. It's coming home. It's coming home, Nigel. It's coming home. Stupid Americans just started watching soccer say something.

The World Cup's coming home. Let's talk a little bit about the gambling Italy game. I guess there's some line movement. What are your thoughts on that? And how easy or hard is it for you, since you're in there, invested to gamble on the Euros with, you know, I think you've had a couple of days, a couple of nights here watching this English team you're all in. Is it easy to gamble for you since you're over there?

Is it hard? And what should we look at at this Italy game? Well, the first thing is gambling in England. You go on any street corner in any shop in any town in England, there's betting parlors, there's betting shops. You know, it's very easy to bet. This country on phone apps, very easy for us to bet. For our country, they're always a bad

result. So the bookmakers, whenever England play, if England win 1-2 nil against any side, it's always an absolute disaster for the book because sentimental money comes in patriotic money comes in and I find it very hard to bet on England because I want them to win but the

price I'm going to get, the line I'm going to get is always terrible. I remember the last World Cup in the semifinals of the World Cup when England was in the semifinals of the biggest tournament in the world. I'd actually bet Croatia to win the tournament. What kind of cheer that was for me when England played Croatia. It was impossible. I've got tickets for one game and it could be England v France. I've had my biggest bet on the tournament on France. I've got to sit one game and it's going to be, could be England v France. And I've had my biggest bet on the tournament on France.

And I've got to sit with a load of English people. And I don't know what to do. I really, I don't know what to do. I want England to win, but also I want them to lose for monetary purposes. But for tonight's game, I think it's been a very tricky, it's been a tough tournament for me. Oh, look at this.

This is why it's coming home. Look at these skills. Look at that. Andrew, I mean, what are we doing here? Look at this. Look at this. What is why it's coming home. Look at these skills. Look at that. Look at that. Nigel, I mean, what are we doing here? Look at this. Look at this. What are we doing here?

This is good. This is good. That's enough now. No good. I'm tired now. That's all I got. I thought I could. Oh, this is, that one is very good.

Well, I'll tell you what. New Zion. Well, honestly, that's better than I thought, Subirishi. Pardon me. Yeah, this is a conkeeper, Nigel. That's right. This is a conkeeper. Nigel, you're a conkeeper. Nigel, you're a conkeeper. Nigel, you're a conkeeper. Nigel, you're a conkeeper. Nigel, you're tell you what. New Zion. Well, honestly, that's better than I thought.

Yeah, this is a conkeeper, Nigel. That's right. This is a conkeeper. Well, you need a better football, pumped up football, and a more modern football. You'd be okay. But let me tell you about tonight's game, Italy again. Italy have been fantastic.

I know Gumpy's quite strong on Italy. He thinks they're going to do one-inch tournament. They've been the biggest movers in the betting from the first set of fixtures, but they played a Turkish side who are dreadful and have been equally dreadful tonight. I think they will win tonight. But just a word of caution, every single time Italy have ever played in a second match of the European Championship, ever since the tournament started, none of their games have ever featured more than two goals. Oh, no shit.

There's no goals in this. 1-0, 2-0 Italy tonight. What do you mean no shit? It's a good start. There's no goals in this goddamn tournament. We're trying to watch. There's no goals. It's cagey, I'm being told by Gumby.

It's cagey affair. It doesn't matter. If you're making money, does it matter if it's 0-0 or 4-4? As long as you make money. No, no, we agree. We agree. We have been making a lot of money with Gumby.

We love betting on soccer, but watching it, it's been hard for me to... The last time I come on this show, you were an advocate for a league that would have been the most boring league. No! I don't know. We don't know that. Don't start telling me all about it. No!

You wanted a team that was nil-nil. No. That's the game. No! We don't know that. Don't start telling me all about it. No! No, no. You wanted to say there was nil-nil. No. That's the game. No. There was galore. Every book in the world would have gone skim, could have gone bust on the unders in that league.

All right. Maybe. All right. I don't know the teams that were going to be in that league. I was pumped about potentially knowing some names, which, by the way, Gareth Bale, what was he doing for Wales down there? Just air mailing one. Before the boys have questions for you, because we're

massive fans, I have two quick things here. Your accent, is there like, is there different dialects of the accent? For instance, I'm from Pittsburgh. I talk differently, obviously, than somebody who's from the South or from New York. Do you have a different accent than everybody else, or do you all sound exactly the same? Well, no, we all sound very different.

I know geographically, we're short a boat trip or a rail ride to Portugal in your book. We all talk very differently. I come from London, obviously, and I have a very strong London accent. I'm from South London, and I talk very fast. And whenever I go to America, everybody comes up to me and says, are you from Australia? And I say, no, no, I'm not from Australia. I come from London. But it's very different.

If you go out to Manchester, it's very different, very different areas. But I'm from London, and I have a very strong South London accent. I'm very close to the Queen. The Queen talks like me, surely. Hey, I've been watching The Crown. I know more than you think I do. And I'll tell you what, when she was riding those horses,

you know, oh, man. Wait, no, you'll be beheaded if you come to me. You'll be beheaded if you go any further. No, no, okay. Just let me know. I absolutely love The Crown. Hey, now when they changed out

who was portraying the Queen and everybody else, that's when they lost me. That's when they lost me or whatever uh portraying the queen and everybody else that's when he lost me that's when he lost me or whatever but i i enjoyed the crown i felt like i learned a lot she's 93 years of age we couldn't have a hot 22 year old player i'm just telling i understand that the show was written well and that's what they had to do creatively to you know replicate the whole thing but what i'm saying is with the way I operate, as soon as we've got a new queen, it's like, that ain't my queen. That ain't my queen right there.

So I was gone, you know what I mean? You would feel the same way, I'd hope, right? We've had about 70, 80 queens and kings in this country over the years, so we have to deal with it. It's a life thing, isn't it? But to be fair, the crown is fantastic, but you've got to just look at it in context. But in our generation, we've never known anything other than the Queen, have we? She's been here for 93 years. She's probably

the only person alive who saw England win a tournament. Well, we're betting rather large on England on Friday, I believe, in the first half to win the first half. Hopefully they do that. Last question for me, then I open up to the boys here, Nigel.

And by the way, I have to tell you, yet again, it's real. A lot of fans in this office of you, Nigel. I hope you know that. No, thank you. I appreciate it. I love coming with you guys. I really appreciate the work the boys at Hammerdown do. I love coming on their show with them.

And, you know, I really enjoy it. So thanks very much for having me on. Hey, can you say the name of that show again? Hammer Dad. So there's a South London man doing Pittsburgh East. People say this show doesn't have depth. Get out of here. How about that? Get out of here, dude. Speaking of depth, the other day

you were going to potentially come on the show. I reached out to you and you were at a tennis match having a day there and then I think I read some things potentially on the internet uh your day uh on monday was maybe fairy tale is that something that is accurate and have you spoke about this yet what did you do on monday and uh is this something that you'll regret or tell the story for the rest of your life well i've tried to tell the story to a couple of people already, and they still don't actually believe it.

But it was surreal, Pat. We had a bet on a game on court one, me and my friend. And we had tickets for Centre Court. Because of COVID, you could only watch Centre Court. You couldn't watch any other court. So the only way to watch court one was to buy a bottle of champagne and go into some champagne bar. So we went up to the top of the the champagne bar and we could watch court one.

So obviously you can imagine the kind of people who go in there, this sort of top end of establishment, quite wealthy. And there's me with a pair of shorts cheering on some checkers. God, the checkers are back here, boy. We just didn't go down very well. Anyway, this young lady we chatted to, this woman, she was very nice. She said to me, what do you do? And I said, oh, I'm in betting and we bet this guy. She went, oh, very interesting. And I said, oh, look, on the internet, I've got like 15,000 followers.

I was showing off. I was going, look, I've got lots of followers. Look at me. Look at me. And I said, what do you do? She said, oh, mean i'm in the pub business i'm in the drink business i said oh that's fantastic but i said my friend is in the pub business he's got a pub during covert he's skinny he's had to lay four people off he's got no money his pub's gone bust by the way oh it's terrible terrible so the same thing happened to you she said no not really not really so i said all right i said what what what pub she said we have a little beer that we sell across the world. I said okay what beer is it? She said it's Heineken Her name was Charlene Heineken. She was the richest woman in England. She's worth about

25 billion dollars. She was a great grandfather's and there she is there and there's me showing off my Twitter following and saying yeah and it was quite funny because before I knew she was from Heineken, my wife come home from work and my phone started to bleep on my phone.

And I was going, oh, look at that. That's my ring doorbell. To this lady? To this lady. I was showing her my ring doorbell. That's my house. I was showing off. She's 15 billion pounds. That was the lady. she's 15 billion pounds that was the

lady so but to be fair to be she was the most charming lady i mean she was she spoke to us for 45 minutes what she thought of us at the end but i probably had about eight stellas six beers two bottles of champagne i was sunburned look at the statement absolutely sunburned and she's but she was charming but it was the most surreal sort of experience I've had for a long time. Apart from being over you guys, obviously. No, no, yeah, of course. Sorry that this is what two days later looks like for you.

But, like, that's like an undercover boss situation. And, by the way, I think it's sweet that she was, like, probably excited to interact with people. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Because, like you said, those people that are probably up in that room, those are the only people that are ever around her. I mean? Because like you said, those people that are probably up in that room, those are the only people that are ever around her.

I would assume somebody like you in shorts go out, come on! She has probably not talked to somebody like you in what, years at this point?

Ever, ever, ever. Ever, ever. Yeah, she's like... She even got the train home. She got the train home. It's like $5 to get the train home. So she's super anonymous, obviously, over there in england well apparently she's the

richest woman in england and i the queen is in england the queen is in there she's got more money in the queen look at my queen hey look at my doorbell you're showing her that is awesome about it. You're showing her. That is awesome. That is why I think we love you so much. Covered Cowboy, 10 digs. Nigel, sex tapes, Drew, Mbappe. Why are the French always

going to stir stuff up? Why can't they just go out there and do what they do best and win games? Well, they do that well as well. They do win games well. And last night they were fantastic. I mean, any major tournament comes around. These boys have got a bit of money. They're young. They're good well. They do win games well and last night they were fantastic. I mean any major sort of comes around. These boys have got a bit of money, they're young, they're good looking, they're going to get in trouble

aren't they? It just depends. The news always comes out and stories like this towards the end of the day. But the French last night, I know they didn't really play to their best potential but to go into Germany and to win 1-0 in Munich I know Pat thinks it's just a couple of hours drive across

the coast to do it, but it's still quite, it's a very, very tough place to go and win. And it set the benchmark for the tournament. And I think the French will go on to do so much better. And they've got so many more gears and they could have won two or three really. They didn't have as much possession as they should have done, but it's what you do with the ball at the end of the day, you know. And I think the French, don't worry French batters. We're in good shape. Allez, le beurre.

Hey, they're deep, huh? That's what Gumby kept saying. Even if they get into a fight and there's sex tapes and collusion and people are fighting and there's disarray, they're just a deep team. If you're a football player or a soccer player in this country as well and you haven't got a sex tape, you're doing the same. I got it. Okay, what do you got, Gumpy?

Yeah, Nigel, with that England lineup they started for the first game kind of surprised some people. You think they change it at all or roll out the same lineup on Friday? I think, Gumpy, the thing was is that England went quite defensive because I don't think they felt that their back

four defensively was strong enough. So they played two holding midfielders in Declan Rice and Calvin Phillips to protect them, to make sure that they didn't concede. Because I think Gareth Southgate realises now to win tournaments, you've got to win ugly like France did last night. There's no point winning three, four. You've got to win one nil games. And I think that was what it is. But it's very hard to drop a player that's a surprise package like Calvin Phillips who was the best player on the park. He was England's best player. So it's very, very hard. I think that England will

play a similar kind of lineup. We may see Foden switch for Grealish. We may see Harry Maguire come back. But I think it's very hard to break up that midfield partnership in Rice and Phillips. Are they going to win the first half or not, Nigel? Are they going to win the first half or not, Nigel? Are they going to win the first half?

Listen, I'm telling you this. We're going to win the first half. We'll win 1-2-0. We'll win 2-0. England will win. We'll get through to the next round. And as long as we don't play France, I'm happy. Here we go. It's coming home. It's coming home, Nigel.

Diggs just put up a picture or something and it was a sticker that said Believe. It's coming home. It's coming home. Nice. Diggs just put up a picture or something, and it was a sticker that said, Believe. You know what I mean? And one of my favorite series of all time, I think legitimately, I started watching it because I wondered how a commercial had become a potential series.

And then I watched Ted Lasso for five minutes, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, 20 minutes. Then I got to episode two, then episode five somehow. And it was like, God damn, this shouldn't be as good as it is. Do you watch that show? Do English people hate that show? What are your thoughts on the big football stooge coming over there and leading FC Richmond to hopefully a promised land?

I've watched it. I've watched it. I thought it was very funny. I thought it was very good. I thought it was very good. But it hasn't, it hasn't been well received in England, to be fair, because it's only on Apple TV

and not many people in this country have Apple TV. It hasn't, it's not, you can't watch it on any commercial channel. So the audience in the UK

is very, very, very small. But you know the woman who plays the chairman who's trying to get out of her ex-husband? Yeah. She lives across the street. Right now this is i should have told that to the heineken woman hey she probably lives in the area as well so you're telling me right across the street here is the lady yeah

literally about about two blocks along from you I see her at the train station. She's little. She's about six foot two. She's big. Tall. Really? She's a great actress, by the way. Oh, yeah.

She's all the way in there. I didn't know if Ted was going to potentially start, you know, having feelings for her. I think that is going to be season two. What's going to happen? I can't wait for season two. Let's get it to England, by the way. I think they would enjoy that thing.

What do you have, Connor? Yeah, Nigel, clearly you don't believe in the USA, you know, going into the World Cup, which makes sense because where you're at now, you kind of have to. But going forward, 2026, possibly even 2030, do you think the USA will win a World Cup? To the perfect industry, I genuinely don't, but I think they'll compete. I mean, you've got to look at all the big nations in the world.

Spanish never won a World Cup for many, many years until recently. They know dominations. But the one thing that you're going to have in your home country after Qatar, it's going to be in America and Canada, and you're going to get a great chance there with the conditions. I think you're going to get a team that's going to compete semifinals, quarterfinals, but to win it, you're going to have that little bit of special. But I'm talking 50, 60 years from now.

Yeah. No. Oh, are you fucking chill now? Come on, Nigel. And listen, you will. You don't have a goal. This is a long-term project. When I mean long-term, I mean really, really long-term.

These types of predictions are embarrassing your neighbors. You hear me? The people that live right over there, these types of things. are embarrassing your neighbors. You hear me? The people that live right over there, these types of things. The thing is,

when you turn around and say that you're going to tip America, the USA, to win a World Cup in 60 years, whatever the equivalent of Twitter is, in about 60 years' time, when you're 100% you can tell everyone, I told you that.

And by the way, there's a lot of people that do that. I'm happy to hear the soccer sports media does that as well. What do you have, Todd? Nigel, in England, do you guys give a shit about Olympic soccer

or like in Europe in general? Because they kind of hamstring it, and I think we can't even send a decent team. Does anyone else in the world actually give a shit about winning the gold medal in the Olympics? I think obviously the Nigerians did and the African Nations Cup. It was something that they did when they sent a lot of the young kids over, the 18-, 19-year-old old kids to build a national team. The problem with over here is that they don't send an English team. We're a great British team. For the first time ever, we sent one in the World

Cup when we held the Olympics here. It was like some kind of thing they let special sort of compensation that we allowed a great British side. So was a mixture of Welsh Scottish and English players who played and the rule is if we enter the team you lose some kind of affiliation with your national the FA the the French sorry the Welsh League and stuff like that so from your answer to your question it's not really important because we don't actually offer an English team it's like a couple of Scottish players a couple couple of Welsh players, a few English players. And it hasn't got that sense of sort of passion and patriotic support that a European championship does

because it's England against Scotland. Nigel, we appreciate you so much for joining us. And I hope you continue to live this incredibly awesome life with, you know neighbors winning oscars and billionaires having drinks with you we appreciate you so much for joining us and uh having incredible euros pal yeah you guys gotta be good keep up the good work lads and i'll speak to you soon thanks very much hey you know you sound like you're australian there ladies and gentlemen, Nigel Sealy.

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Back to the show. As we set up the microphone here for our guest that is in studio, it's not Miles Teller joining us, by the way. A lot of people thought potential Mai Tai stopping by. Miles Teller's not in the studio. We wish he was. A lot of people thinking maybe it's somebody that works in L.A. in the sports business.

That is not it. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, a man who has been in Hollywood for 33 years. Jeez. Allegedly, now we will have to get to the story here. Allegedly, one of the people that Ari Gold from Entourage uh super agent Vince's agent was modeled after uh ladies and gentlemen from CAA Jeff Jacobs yeah move that microphone in front of you a little bit there yeah perfect uh Jake

is the name right yes 32 years in hollywood um obviously we're potentially going to do business together good business together great business together obviously and we had been talking for a few months quarantine he was locked down near lockdown he made his first trip out here to indiana to say hello to us what a day boys what a day what a great hey he walked here too through the streets got that nitro brew. Wow. He came in, looked outside. First time seeing him in real life.

We'd seen the photos. Hey, you've lost weight. Yeah. The internet did not really do you, John. You look good over there. Come in, and what do we do? We just start peppering with Hollywood questions. You rep Jimmy Fallon.

I believe Mr. Baldwin's in there at some point. I think Lorne. Lorne Michael. Lorne Michael, I believe. Like, you are the guy, 33 years. Thank you so much for literally coming in, like legitimately. Hey, thanks for making the trip. Yeah, we appreciate it.

Thanks for making the trip, Jack. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. And as you did say, we've been locked down in Los Angeles. And this is uh the first business trip and uh i took a red eye last night for the first time in uh over two years and uh for people who fly the red eyes you know the red eye from la to indianapolis is not really a red eye it's like a hop it's like a mini nap so yeah three and a half four hours it was easy

it was 320 last night with tailwinds. I did not know we were that close to LA, by the way. Hopefully, I don't know. Hey, listen, I'm all about global warming and all that, but if it's going to give us tailwinds from LA to India, then maybe it could flip back around in India to LA. Not bad. That would be fantastic to get out there.

We do appreciate you coming out here. It's awesome to be here, and it's a lot of fun to meet you in person. We've been talking on the phone and videoing for a bunch of months. It's fantastic to be here. It's fantastic to meet the crew and see the operation, and I'm sure they're going to have plenty of things to say and ask me. I did walk here, and I have been here a few times. I told you when I came in, when you come from the airport, you see Lucas Field for any sports, just to see that in person.

Big. It's a big mall. With Peyton, and you played the Colts, and then all the Final Fours that were always there. Lucas Field has become one of those places, if you're a sports fan, you know when someone says Lucas Field. Lucas Oil Stadium. Lucas Oil, right.

Yeah, what you were saying. By the way, we got the sentiment. Yeah, we got the sentiment. I mean, you hammered it home a little bit late there, so it kind of went the different way. But I understand what you're saying because you are a college basketball fan, big-time college basketball fan. You enjoy that, but normally not in the sports world, right?

So the way he and I got linked up, basically, is because in our particular world, there's not a lot of humans that are like us. There's not a lot of shows that are like us. There's not a lot of things like us. We have scripts that are written. I mean, there is a lot of shows that are like us there's not other things like we have scripts that are written i mean there is a lot of things like that come out of this very stupid office and we got a chance to chat with you and we googled you obviously uh anybody that's going to do business with us like obviously we have to know who they are and everything like that and it's nice to meet you but man you you have some legendary fucking stories about you

i mean the fact that ari Gold which is almost basically the blueprint for what we're kind of doing right now now a couple of my boys from back home three of them uh and then a new batch of dudes basically that were that I'm friends with and we just kind of do that whole thing are you just a fucking maniac in those meetings are you were you the one that was firing the paintball gun were you the the one that was firing? Why is that? Is that because you're just energetic? You're everywhere because you have a great assistant that you can just chew out and mow down?

Or it's because, you know, Vince was on a Mentos commercial and then he was starring in Med E, and is that why that whole thing? Well, with Entourage, you know, should I just go there? Yeah, yeah, please. So, first of all, all all credit entourage has to go to doug allen who created the show who was the writer you know him yeah so doug allen this is totally true we went to the same summer camp in upstate new york in the berkshires he was he was a camper

of mine feels like this happens yeah and uh classic classic jewish geography okay and coastal jewish geography and um doug was a camper and And when he's younger than he came to Hollywood, we got in business together. And I was I was one of his agents. He had an idea for a show with his then manager, Steve Levinson. And it was when Doug originally pitched it. I remember I was I was we were having lunch and restaurants not there anymore. It's called it was called the Manhattan Wonton Company. It was a Chinese restaurant. It was an old-style, New York-style Chinese restaurant

that a guy opened to replicate what he ate on Sunday nights when he was growing up and it became sort of a popular spot. They laid this show out and obviously a lot of it

is inspired by Mark Wahlberg and Mark's crew, but Doug at that time was very, very close friends with David Schwimmer, who at the time was at the height of the Friends situation when Friends was being watched by 35, 40 million people a night, which is sort of an incredible amount of people

if you think about it. Yeah, it's a lot. That's NFC Championship. Right, yeah, exactly. And so it was really supposed to look at sort of the culture that existed around stars, right? And what happened when you were with the star and what happened, you know, when you were not. And the original idea was, and Doug will have his own version of this, but my takeaway was when you rolled with the star,

you know, you had access to private planes and access and restaurants and clubs. And when you weren't with the star and, you know, you were, you know, going on a date or you were, you know, trying to do things, you didn't have those things, right? And you didn't have free access and the right tables, and people weren't sending food over to your table. And it was supposed to be the look at sort of the two worlds. It ultimately morphed, Doug took it creatively, more into sort of the world around a star.

Obviously, Mark Wahlberg is the inspiration for it. A lot of people ask me, a lot of people get written, when Doug wrote the original treatment, which I have in a file cabinet in my office, which I'm looking forward to going back to in July. My name is in the original treatment as sort of the impetus for the Ari Gold character. And the truth of the matter is, by the time it got developed, and it took a year and a half to two years for the project to come to fruition. Doug reworked it, reworked it. They had Sex and the City on HBO at the time, if you remember. It was a female buddy comedy.

And HBO was looking. Arliss had been off the air, if you remember Arliss. Great show. They wanted to have a male buddy comedy show on HBO. So it was perfect. So this was the idea. have a male buddy comedy show on HBO. So it's perfect.

So this was the idea. And originally, when Doug developed it, you were really never going to see the Vince character. It was going to be about E and the guys. And it was always supposed to be. And then they realized you had to see Vince, right? You had to see the star. And Mark Wahlberg was represented at the time by Ari Emanuel, who runs Endeavor. And I represented Doug, and we all took the meeting together, and the original character's

name in the first couple drafts was Ari Jacobs. Your last name, his first name. Exactly. And we both had assigned releases with Business Affairs of HBO that they could use our name. This is totally true. And then they just kicked you out. And Mark Walker. Oh, man. Ari Emanuel

said, hey, guys! Why did I know this was going to happen when i got into no no no but i will say that's fucking awesome and that was just a small part of our research about you whenever we were thinking about getting into business because entourage by the way is a show that literally inspired me and also i think it taught a lot of people about what Hollywood was potentially like for people that didn't want to maybe move to Hollywood, but had potential, you know, interest in that world. It was a fucking great show to, you know, and Doug deserves the credit and to Jeremy Piven's credit. When the original deal was made, he was not a series regular. He was a recurring character. And so they did not have him under contract for all the episodes.

He was a recurring character. And so they did not have him under contract for all the episodes. And right from the pilot, he just obviously chewed up the screen and his performance. And there's a scene in the pilot, if you remember, where him and E meet for sushi. If you go back to the pilot episode. And it's at that moment when you see the pilot, you're like, okay, the show may be supposed to be about Vince and supposed to be be about e but you're watching you're watching you can't take your eyes off and by the way that was supposed to be already jacob right now but you know jeremy won i think three emmys i think something like that two or three emmys for best supporting actor so we have to get to jay glazer another incredible hollywood figure obviously uh here on the other side of this break here as our one wraps up here.

But whenever you think about flying to Indiana to potentially do business with me and this crew, and whenever you size that next to, you know, Doug Ellen writing Entourage and Jimmy Fallon. Lorne Michaels. Lorne Michaels doing everything. What is your initial thought just walking into the office this morning?

We got about a minute here. I'll do it quick. The reason I came here and wanted to see and I told you this was, you know, in my job, you got to see it and touch it to understand what's going on. Right. You can't do it from a screen. We've all gotten very efficient in COVID, but it's not the same thing as being out in the world and seeing people do their thing. And I came here because you guys are you're not on to something. It's happening. It's going on.

And so I just wanted to see it and meeting the crew and meeting the guys. And I'm sure they're going to have plenty of crap. And I'm going to get crap about the fact that I asked someone to throw a wet, sweaty Starbucks cup out. Yeah, me. And I was like, oh, that is Art Gold.

I thought I was being polite because I was raised by parents appropriately that I didn't want to just leave junk on your bar out there. You're a guy here, of course, has turned around me that I'm some Hollywood guy. I thought I was just being human. But, you know, what do I know, right? So, you know,

and I'm sure my children are watching this right now thinking to myself, thank God, you know, Dad wasn't, thank God Grandma and Grandpa didn't raise an animal and stuff like that. Hey, well, hour one's wrapped up.

Thanks for throwing that away. Anytime. Anytime, Art. We're back on the other side. We are still live on YouTube right now. Okay, so we're off on Sirius. But I would like to get your thoughts immediately upon walk,

like while you walked over here, you know, as you were walking here, and then as soon as the door opens, because I saw you pull the door, and it took us a little bit, took for me to open that door. You like looked around, which everybody does, by the way,

because our, you know, our front of our office is pretty hilarious looking. But as soon as the door opens, and you see this with everything you've accomplished literally did you ever think like what the fuck did i do wrong did that ever happen when you walked in here no no not at all not whatsoever the truth well first of all uh as i told you i walked uh as you know i if i i during the pandemic one of the things i've done you your

comment and you know i've lost weight i walk a lot you know, since we talk on the phone quite a bit in the morning when I walk. So to get out and walk after red eyes, I've always learned it's a great experience just to get the body moving. And then to pound the nitro brew, which you've talked about. Somebody said to me, it has nitrogen in it, just like Guinness. It's a stout, not a lager. Right. They only sell you a grande, but it's sort of extra. And I get it in a venti cup

and I pour it over ice. I can never have too much ice in any ice beverage for myself personally. Yeah, especially when the ice gets small. Okay, don't come through the cup.

I see you drink a Trenta. You drink the big, the gigantic one and stuff like that. Two of them a day. No liquid cane sugar. That's right. So I'm healthy on it.

No, no. When I walked over here and you told me it was sort of an old building or a warehouse that had been reformatted. So I knew it was going to have a clubhouse feel, but I didn't know exactly what it was. But you've shot videos and I've seen the basketball court. And I actually was on a clip that you put out 10 days ago.

I was on an audio feed. We were on the phone and you posted it. And I made it clear to you that I hadn't given approval for my audio track to be on your Twitter feed. And you were like, what are you talking about? So, no, as I said to you last week, and I've been there 33 years, and I know for myself, and everyone's different, you know, for me, you've got to go out and see and touch and feel

and listen and pay attention what do you say to people about it literally about but just us because i've been on a couple convos alongside you you have put me into conversations by the way that all of us think are ridiculous and i should not be in so we're very thankful for the people that you have you know had me and it's inevitably going to help all of us forever you know including my family so like i appreciate you a lot but being in the business for 33 years i don't understand how you can understand what we do better than a lot of the young people we have worked with that don't fully get it either like this is i feel like we're a very different operation now granted

barstool is barstool we're a different operation than Barstool, although I learned a lot from Dave and Erica and Big Cat and PFT and KFC and everybody over there. We got a chance to learn a lot from people over there. But we're not the same as them either. And Outkick just got sold. We're nowhere near the same as them as a business because they're a blog, a website. We're a show, basically, that has other shows. The ability for you to kind of figure it out i think is probably why you've been around for 33 years but i want to know like we appreciate the people

that you've put us in conversations i don't know how the fuck you get those conversations to happen and they will come out in a documentary someday but i don't know how you get these people to take time to talk to me but i really do i really do appreciate it well that's very nice you to say that's uh it's very generous of you to say. That's very generous of you to say. Well, I'll give you three quick things, and then I'll shut up and let you do the rest of the show, because your fans and your viewers and your listeners don't need to listen to me blather. Yeah, but this will be a rip 10 years from now for a doc. First of all, I have parents who helped make me very curious.

You know, and I read newspapers, and we went to sporting events, and we watched TV, and we argued at our dinner table, and we were actually allowed to curse at our dinner table, which all my friends thought was hilarious. I'm 57, so this is, like, not as modern a day. And we lived outside of, I was telling the guys, I grew up outside of New York in Tenafly, New Jersey, which is just outside a commuter suburb. We went to the theater and we were in the city lots. So my parents spurred curiosity in me, you know, and just be curious.

Number two is I've always loved media. I've always been a consumer. I've always been like an avid reader, watcher. I always loved TV, movies. I just liked consuming everything. Radio, I just liked it. And then the third thing is, it isn't going to sound corny and you're going to make fun of me and your guys are going to, you know, I wanted to be a sportscaster growing up. That's what, well, no,

I wanted to play for the New York Knicks when I was growing up. Walt Frazier was my guy. And then when you're 10 years old, you realize, oh, my mom's five feet tall. There's not a lot of white Jewish guys who play for the Knicks, right? You give that up quickly. A little self-awareness. Right, you realize, oh, my mom's five feet tall. There's not a lot of white Jewish guys who play for the Knicks, right?

So you give that up quickly. A little self-awareness. Right. You're curious. Right. So then I went to Northwestern, and I have a master's in journalism. And I wanted to be Marv Albert because Marv Albert, when I was growing up, was the voice of WNBC, 6 and 11 News. This was before ESPN. Voiced the Knicks and Rangers.

He had the greatest job of all time, Marv Albert. And I tried to be a sportscaster. I went around the country, small places that many people, Wheeling, West Virginia, Medford, Oregon, Bangor, Maine, people, places, people where I grew up in town, never went. Knocked on news directors' doors, didn't get a job. I'd probably be in like Market 81, Green Bay, fighting you to talk to Aaron Rodgers if I had been successful. I would have been good at it. You would have won, by the way. It did not happen. At 24 and a half inflection moment, go to law school or go, and I moved to LA and people said, I got great advice. People said, if you don't know what you want to do, you go, go to an agency. Now,

back then a big agency, CA was, you know, the second or third biggest agency. We had 120 people and I got there. I got a job in there 33 years and we've been allowed to just go. And this is to answer your question long-winded. Go get in business with talented people who are great storytellers and then figure out how the hell that works against the world. If you represent talented people who are great storytellers in our business, in our company, you meet interesting people. And then you start moving people together and you create opportunities. So I was fortunate and lucky. Well, I want to let you know, I appreciate you. Uh, very thankful for you. Hopefully we can continue to tell very dumb stories and hopefully grow this thing. But there are conversations that

you have put me in, uh, with people that I could have never, ever fathomed. Uh, I wear to, to let everybody know, I do wear tank tops in these things I do wear jorts in these conversations I assume that's the first that you have experienced in that entire biz what I would say to you is that

and I've been married for 26 years and a month and my wife is our CEO my wife at times does refer to you as tank tank

oh tell your wife I said hello cannot wait to meet her one time she's the CEO she runs it so when she says stuff

we listen in our families. And if my kid, I know my son's watching while he's working and my girls may be listening, but no. Tell her the pipes do not burst. Here's what I'll leave you with.

The world today, this is the great part of our job. The great part of my job is the world has changed so much that the possibilities are endless. Yeah. And you guys are doing a version of that yourself, and that's what's exciting.

I know that's corny, but that's the truth. I mean, you live in Hollywood, so some of it is going to be a bit corny, but we appreciate the hell out of you, ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Jacobs. Thank you for having me. Can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show. The fact you allow us to penetrate your ear holes

Monday through Friday, we can't thank you enough for choosing to listen to the show The fact you allow us to penetrate your ear holes Monday through Friday We can't thank you enough for it Appreciate you guys Thank you so so much You're the best People say that you're not the best They're lying They're wrong

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