The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 441 - Ian Rapoport, Jeff Passan & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

On today’s show, Pat and the boys chat about all things going on in the sports world. Pat leads off the show with his opinions on the latest rumors and reports popping off in the NFL world including Carl Nasser coming out as the first active and openly gay NFL player and his speculations of what NFL team turned down Tom Brady during his last free agency. Pat is joined by the legendary college football and Super Bowl Champion AJ Hawk who comes on with his usual banter. NFL insider Ian Rapoport comes on the show (56.01 - 1:20.17) to clear up the latest NFL reports. With so much going on with the drama of the MLB, Pat brought Jeff Passan (1:21.55-1:45.13) onto the show to break it all DAHN. Make sure to subscribe to  youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come laugh with us, cheers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Tuesday, June 22nd, 2021. Big show today. Can't thank you enough for choosing to join us. Hashtag end of pod squad at the end. We're giving away some more money. So be a friend, tell a friend. Our big thank you for you spending time with us every Monday through Friday. There's a lot of shows that are some that are average, some that are great. And you guys kind of wade through the shit storm alongside of us and i can't thank you enough if you like the show please be a friend tell the friend if not just act like it never happened two ships passing in a night we didn't you know see you later ty's not editing this mitt is ty is on his way to get hitched this weekend so happy for him so pumped for him can't wait to be at that wedding, and can't wait for you guys to hear today's conversation.

I think you're going to enjoy it. The show is massive. Ian Rappaport joins us to talk about a lot of things that are happening off the field, whether it's Uzis and Lambos or guns being shot at players in the NFL, which, by the way, might go hand in hand whenever we decide to talk about that later. Also, just read an article that Ian Rappaport

was once threatened to be killed by Aaron Hernandez live in front of a crowd. So that would be cool to talk about. I didn't know that. That just popped up. We'll talk to Ian Rappaport at about 1.20ish Eastern Daylight Time. 205, guess who's joining us?

Who's that the jet oh gas up the jet passing is coming to town because baseball has started something uh brand new their pitchers the greatest one in the game right now i guess uh degrom is what everybody says this guy he's pitched 72 innings or something like that and has only given up four earned runs yeah he's unbelievable and he's batted in more than that. So he's unbelievable. I'd be a big DeGrom talker, I assume, if it wasn't for, you know, the guy leading the bigs in home runs

that is also a pitcher that's on another team in Shohei. But anyways, he was the first one to be checked last night or yesterday, and then a couple other people were checked. It was a full pat-down situation. Oh, yeah. We're not talking a lazy-ass fat guy at a soccer game video meme where he's wearing the yellow jacket. You're good.

No, no, no. You're good. No, no, we're talking hat off. Go ahead and unfasten that belt a little bit. Let us go ahead and touch your neck, too. Let's see what you got back here. How's your hair? You got any spider attack in your goddamn hair?

It's a full thing. It's a laughingstock, I think, by both the umpire and the pitcher and everybody that is watching the video because this is the greatest pitcher in the game right now, right? Yeah, maybe ever. I'm being told that. And I'm watching a video from outside baseball, and right after hearing that all these people are cheating, right?

Right after hearing all these people. The first person I see on the internet, let's just act like I don't stay dialed in with what's going on in baseball on every single day. The first thing I see, this guy getting a's just act like I don't stay dialed in with what's going on in baseball on every single day. The first thing I see, this guy getting a full strip search before he even gets off the diamond. I mean, he is still on the diamond. They could do with this thing. They could come into the dugout and follow him in there and do it in there.

This thing is in front of the entire stadium. This thing is he is on a stage. Could you imagine if with DeGrom, they took off his hat and they're like, well, what the fuck is this? Wow. What do you got here? 72 innings. Four earned runs. What do you got here? Let me get that neck. And they're like a magician pulling a quarter out of his ear.

Oh, what is this? You thought you could find it? Uh-uh. Then go into the belt. They're going underneath the belt. Take your belt off. What if they just did that to DeGrom? The entire game would have been run off the tracks because this is

their best guy. And in a rule that has been around for a long time. And by the way, he did not. And they say he does not. And he doesn't have to. Everybody else is actually trying to catch up to him by using all this shit. But this shit has been used since the beginning of time. Now they're doing this whole stop and frisk like situation to baseball pitchers.

I mean, it is a hilarious scene over there. And once again, the things that happen outside of baseball, much better than the sport themselves. At Ty Schmidt, massive baseball fan, how do you feel about this? And what are you going to ask Jed about it? Well, we were talking earlier before the show started. I want to know, like, is this every single game? Like, we were saying, you said, hey, now that they checked him, he was good.

I mean, you saw, like, his stuff is incredible. It just is. He's very, very fucking good. Like, so is he good to go now? Does he have to do this again? Or is this going to be every single start? Is it a random check? Yeah, exactly.

So, I mean, shit, you want to talk about, you know, I mean, the games are too long, too slow as it is. Like, shit like this, if they're doing it multiple times a game, a couple, you know, different innings, like, this isn't winning over anybody. So what did we say we landed upon? And we like to think of this as a nice brainstorming show. You know, you kind of hear the brain unload into, you know, the mic. What did we say this was? It was an unwritten rule that was abused, okay, which is when unwritten rules get exposed.

Then that leads to restriction, which is normally an overreaction. Right. And then it kind of writes itself, right? For instance, it happened with the footballs, kicking footballs in the NFL. It was an unwritten rule. Balls get beat up. Then all of a sudden one of those balls, abuse of those balls, it became too fat. It accidentally got

in the hands of Brett Favre. Favre throws an interception. They change the entire rule. Brand new ball. Every single time you kick it, that then changes that whole thing. This is an overreaction to right the ship of what? Decades of wrongs is what they're saying. Right. For the unwritten rule that everybody seemed to be on board with

until they took it a step too far. They got too good. They abused it. Even the good pitchers started doing it because they saw everybody else doing it because they saw $500, $600 million deals being signed by people. So you could see how maybe they would do it. Happened with steroids. People abused it.

Mark McGuire couldn't even move his goddamn arms. They had the best ratings of all time, but then that is automatically going to be abused. Everybody started doing it. It became a big story. Then they had to overreact, correct it. How long does this last? There's no way this makes it to the end of the season, right?

This is like just a couple weeks, I assume, and then they're going to be like, okay, we all agree to go back down to just the sunscreen and ros in or something like that. Let's get rid of the spider attack, the shit that you actually can lift trucks with. Do you think that's what's going to happen or is this going to be for another year? Do you think this is going to be a full time thing? I really don't know because I mean, especially the way they're doing it, like you said, they're not going in the dugout or anything.

So like if they catch someone, they want it, I think, to be like a public, you know, like this guy's cheating. But I think the biggest issue, too, that a lot of these like star pitchers are saying is like the guys who are making these rules, they never played baseball. Like they don't throw as hard as we do. Like they have no idea what this stuff does. I mean it's been passed down from generation to generation. It is a part of the game.

So I don't know. Like the way the MLB has dealt with it, it makes it seem like they are trying to like this is going to be a thing, but I don't know if it'll last because these guys are fucking pissed. All right, so we'll talk to Jed about that in hour three, and I did not expect to get into that deep of a conversation there,

but my brain was just going because I saw DeGrom's face, and then I immediately thought, and just like we said about the brainstorming thing, what if he fails there, and that is the shot. That was live, by the way. Oh, yeah. That was seen by everybody as soon as it happened because it is the guy by the way he's chuckling that is the he laughs in the

ump's face right hey gotta do that gotta do it you know what if he just what if that hat he wears or sitting in the whole top of that thing there's like a uh a false bottom like he's goddamn johnny depp there's a false bottom on that hat, and underneath there, there's a full thing that, oh, oh, oh. He's covered something in the hat. I mean, that could have happened. I did not expect to talk about that, to be honest. We will talk to Jet Passing about that in hour three. Cannot wait for that.

The big news, though, in not just the sports world, but I think the entire world that came out of yesterday was Carl Nassib, formerly of Hard Knocks fame. Okay, and we'll talk about that. Listen, this Carl Nassib guy, we ain't never taking his fucking financial advice. No, definitely not. Okay, we seen it on HBO. He's living in a world that would be very cool financially with what he was talking about.

But I did like the fact that this guy seemed to be incredible in the room. He was well liked by people. He was willing to get up there and speak. Did not know him, never played with him, but I had a lot of respect for somebody that can stand in front of a football locker room, a defensive line room, whatever

it is, and do his whole thing and just have that confidence. So I was always impressed with him as a human. Not his financial knowledge sure but on hard knock seeing somebody speak anytime you see somebody speak and it's well received in a team that guy has a lot of respect amongst his peers like it is not easy to speak in in a football locker room anything like that so although he was very wrong when i saw it that's all my first judgment was now after yesterday i get a chance to really see a guy who is going to be an inspiration, I think, for legitimately millions of people. And I think it's very difficult for some

people to really wrap their minds around why it's such a big deal, right? Because I think some people either have a lot of hate in their heart. They don't want to hear it. They get the fuck out of here. I don't want to do that. Like, listen, I of here. I got my, I don't want to do that. Like, listen, I don't care. Do your thing. I don't, I don't give a fuck. But then there's some people I think who live in a world in their head where they think that everything is already at the point where it should be, where everything is already

cool, where the immediate reaction was, why should, why should I care about what he does behind closed doors? Like, yeah, do it, man. I'm happy for you. It's like, cool that you feel that way. Okay. But I don't think they, the people, Carl, in the community that is not very well represented in sports, I don't think yet. Hopefully it will be at some point.

I don't think they feel as if we're at a point where it's just like, oh, yeah, this is great. Everybody's like that. Now, I do like the fact that I'm not certain. I am around a lot of people on a regular basis who don't have friends that are gay and are very, you know, I don't want to say knowledgeable about the gay community. I think we're all learning as we go. And I think it is slowly coming. But I think this is a massive ordeal, especially in sports. I've had four to five teammates that I play with who came out after they ended up playing.

I don't think there's a lot of guys who would ever be comfortable in a locker room saying who they were if this was the case. Although, and I said this when Michael Sam got drafted, I was asked by the Colts to speak on this, by the way. Never asked to talk to the press any other time that happened. any other time that happened it was obviously a big to-do because there was maybe one or two guys out of the over thousand guys in the NFL who came out and said something and I think they they said it from a place of ignorance obviously probably had never experienced or had a friend that was representing the gay community who had been in their lives who had told them about potential things that have happened to them said to them them, and everything like that. But those two to three things that got said in a negative light about Michael Sam potentially coming into the locker room

or a gay player that isn't Michael Sam coming into the locker room hogged the publicity, hogged the headlines. Negativity always does that, and I got a chance to be in a locker room whenever that whole thing was happening. And I felt like, and this might be just my pure optimism and mostly positive like I did not sense that there was ever gonna be at that time with Michael Sam in the locker room that I was and I can't talk for every other locker room although I have learned that a lot of the cultures are about the same in every locker room. Some might be winning buildings, but normally the locker room, pretty similar.

As long as you came to work, as long as you produced on the field, as long as you bought in in meetings, and as long as you helped us ultimately for achieve whatever our goal was, whether some people's goals were to win, some people's goals were to get rich if you came in and helped that whole thing the sense that i got from damn near everybody coaches included was like hey do what you got to do can't wait to have you or whatever michael sam obviously sec defensive player of the year for whatever reason maybe his toolbox just didn't equate into the nfl where it's the adult league and by the way that is even more so something about the NFL. You've got a lot of players of the year, not just Michael Sam in college

who are all-stars. They get the NFL, can't make it because the NFL is a different animal for whatever reason. And hopefully it wasn't because he was gay is why he didn't make it. What I'm trying to say is when I was in there, it didn't feel like that was going to be the case. It truly felt like everybody was like, as long as he's a great player and as long as he works hard and likes everybody and buys in, we'd love for him to be the case. It truly felt like everybody was like, as long as he's a great player, and as long as he works hard,

and likes everybody and buys in, we'd love for him to be a teammate. That's what I said then. That's what I'll say now, I assume. That's what everybody in the Raiders locker room is saying. Those that were in the Browns locker room with Carl, they'd probably say, hey, this motherfucker done no finances.

Yeah. Okay, but he's a good guy. He's a confident guy. And we're happy for him. And that was kind of showcased, I think, around the Internet and around the league last night. So big congrats to Carl. Yeah, baby Carl.

He said he'd been sitting on that for a while. I don't know. He said he also donated to the Trevor Project, which, by the way, I think we're all kind of learning about as we go here. I feel like I should have known about that a lot more. I knew that there was higher suicide rates because of self-doubt, confidence, identity, everything like that, bullying. But the stat that he gave about how, you know, if somebody is a role model, basically, or talks to somebody that is older,

it'll save like 40% chance. It's like 84. It was like super high. It's crazy. It is a 40% better chance that they won't do it. I just think we're at the time now where we're learning a lot more about everything. Okay. I can open my phone. I can Google something that happened in a, at a place I was in just learn about it immediately. There's no more like, Hey, you have to hear stories about somebody. I feel like the LGBTQ community is one that we can continue to learn about, continue to grow and ultimately, hopefully just live as a society completely together, which is what a lot of people say. Who cares what they do behind closed door? Let's hope that we get to a point

where everybody views it that way, because that's legit. I know a lot of straight people that do fucking weird shit behind closed doors. Okay? I find myself in those conversations with them. I'm like, why are you telling me that? Is there a lot of people that do what you're doing right now?

So you like peeing on people. Okay. Good luck in there, dude. Good luck in there. So I understand that there are some hypocrites out there, too, who potentially say that they are against the gay crowd and they do shit in their lives that are considered unholy or whatever the hell it is considered. But I'm fucking pumped for Carl. I hope he's at it. He obviously is at a point where he has a lot of peace,

and hopefully he'll continue to play great football, and hopefully he'll lead the way for a lot more other people who are potentially not as comfortable as he is at this moment to kind of be comfortable with themselves and move along. Well, and to your point, too, about why it is important for all those people saying, like, well, why are we hearing about this? Who cares? You throw that stat out there.

It's like, okay, this actually is making a legit, meaningful impact. And you can tell in the video and everything. It's not like a publicity stunt. It's not like he's trying to get his name out there. No, no, no. It was like a weight off his shoulder. Like, hey, I'm comfortable, and this is a legit issue. and if I can put a face on it, why not do it? We had in college a couple teammates.

Whenever I was young, they were older, and then when I was older, a couple guys that were younger. I feel like there was a couple guys that we potentially, you know, or like thought, you know, like there's a chance or whatever. By the way, friends with the guy. But we never wanted to be the person to like, like I feel like I'm a good communicator. I feel like I am. I feel like I'm a pretty good communicator. That is something I think I can showcase on a daily basis.

And I have been. And to be honest, too much so. I never knew how that conversation was supposed to go when I'm hanging out with somebody and you just kind of because that is such a personal thing and I think for those teammates of mine that I saw eventually and I think I seen it on Facebook a video came out or whatever I was like so incredibly happy for them like man that this has to be such a better life now. Yeah. As opposed to just fake whatever you had to do in almost every situation that you thought

you couldn't be yourself. Couldn't even imagine. Pump for you. Now getting to, you know, be yourself without everybody ever thinking, saying, or doing anything. You're just like, yep, let's go. This is how we roll. Let's keep it moving.

I'm pumped for Carl, man. I'm fucking pumped for him. Yeah, you just hope he gets treated the same, you know, because when you look at the Bucs, you know, hard knocks, he was a guy in that locker room who was, like, shooting the shit, joking with everybody. So none of that kind of changes just because the perception might have changed. No, by the way, I think that's awesome that he is that guy.

He had a C on his chest, too. Like, that's why I think it is so – that's what – for – like I said, there was a couple people that said something whenever the Michael Sam thing was happening around the NFL, guys that I don't know, but, like, they were obviously making headlines, and every media was coming into every locker room, by the way, to ask just to see that whole thing. Now that guys who maybe, right, had never experienced an openly gay person in their personal circle, in their life.

Maybe they never had a friend. They never smoked, drank, hung out with anything with somebody from that community. Anybody that was teammates with Carl in the past, he was like, Carl. Okay, so now they like Carl. They put a face with a cause. And anytime you do that, that is a personal connection. Normally that's when real change can happen. And even more so it's like happy for Carl pump for him. Cause I think he's going to do a lot of help.

Well, and like you just said, like when the, with, with this stuff, I feel like the media kind of jumps on it and they can be coming at distraction. Right. And that's why guys might kind of feel a little, not wanting to kind of bring it up or have that conversation that's uncomfortable where and anytime you get labeled yeah a distraction it's a yeah i feel like there's a lot of reasons why you would be scared to say you'd get in the nfl but with that being said as a teammate and for coaches that i have now maybe front office or maybe there are some coaches that I have now, maybe front office, or maybe there are some coaches that I have not met or whatever,

but everybody that I encountered, and this is just me. And this, once again, this might be just because of how I am. I talked to literally everybody and everything. As long as you could play football and work, like,

it's almost like, I don't want to say like something that would be welcomed because I think it would be like cool. Cause there's a lot of time where it's just groundhog's day yeah so these are like cool conversations that potentially open up and uh you know maybe you know learn about something you could learn about but i you could see how i guess in your eyes you could see how somebody who was potentially still you know in the closet or whatever i'm not doing that. I'm barely making the team right now. There's only 53 roster spots, 40 whatever dress.

I am 43, 44. You can see how anybody would potentially think that. Even more so, why it's great that Carl did that. You know what I mean? It's a big deal. Congrats to Carl. Attaboy, Carl. That's a big deal.

I just came out of nowhere too You just recorded a selfie video Alright see you guys later Yeah God damn Alright Carl here we go I wonder what I wonder

I assume he The Trevor Project Or something Maybe he He learned about something That was potentially happening Or maybe He had some people

In his life that knew That had an experience And were like Hey if you You could really Hey you could really Save some lives. I wonder how that whole thing happened to get them to the point to do it because that's

a big decision. With Pride Month, too. I feel like the Pride Month has been at the forefront of a lot of stuff this entire month. So there was a commercial on Monday Night Raw last night and it was Sonya. Yeah. Okay. And Sonya told her story basically about how whenever she did, I think she did Tough Enough or something like that. And as she was there, she was asked about her family or

whatever, because a big part of being a wrestler is you're on the road a lot, you're traveling, the whole thing. And she was asked if she had, was in a relationship or single or whatever. And she said that that was the first time she ever, like, she came out on national television. Talked about it? Yeah, on that show. And it was like, it was a pretty cool thing, you know. I wonder, there's no blueprint, I assume, for that, right? No, I doubt it.

You hear all these, there's probably a bunch of different stories. Because you hear the stories of, like, oh, my parents told me to leave and never come back. Like, that happens. I guess that does happen for members of the gay community. I've heard that story before. Then there's some people, they say, that cut them out of their lives and family members or whatever.

And then there's obviously situations where everybody's like, fucking awesome, let's go. That is so cool or whatever. Congratulations. It's just, that's a part of our society that is still kind of misunderstood or underrepresented and everything like that, as are a lot, by the way. But it's kind of cool to learn about, especially Pride Week.

Well, I feel like it's probably it's probably pretty difficult to when you are like a public figure like that. You know, a lot of times you hear like when people are coming out, it's like a group of like 12 people that end up finding out, you know, it's like his was just like, you know, it's just out there. It's like he's a very public person. So it's like, you know, obviously, i'm sure the struggle with that is is pretty difficult too so the fast this is going to be a much different comparison but same thing uh i wonder if he maybe didn't want like hey i'm not supposed to be like uh like the spokesperson for right and like maybe he had lines now i'm not supposed to be there's other people that should be doing that and this is a very terrible comparison but it does kind of equate i guess if you stick with me here i never wanted to be the spokesperson for having in the worst night of

your life on television get death threats and bounce back on the other side into kicking and punting position right but then whenever a guy has a terrible game in college and misses a couple kicks, I'll get 50 tweets, and I will normally reach out to old buddy and be like, hey, there is life on the other side. Like, hey, right now it feels like the world hates you, everybody hates you. You're going to be on the other side of this thing because of what happened in the 13-9 pick game. I'm happy Carl got to the point where maybe he didn't want to be like,

hey, I'm not supposed to be this. I am not. This is a lot of pressure. And now he's at the point where he wants to do it. Whatever the case, happy he chose that. Yeah, good for him. Pivoting around the NFL. Hey, Tom Brady is a motherfucking savage.

Tom Brady, whenever people say, oh, this player has a little Tom Brady in him, I immediately said, what does that mean? Will you please tell me what that means? Oh, he's got a little Tom Brady in him. Okay, all right. So does that mean he has a bad body at the combine? Takes picture, it's a bad body? Is that what it means?

Does it mean he can throw the ball well? Does it mean he's not going to run much? Does it mean he's going to avoid sacks on a regular basis? Does it mean he's going to win six Super Bowls? What do you mean by that? Oh, he's just got a little Tom Brady in him. It's like, all right, fucking wild statement. Because I think the thing that is Tom Brady inside Tom Brady,

I think the Tom Brady inside Tom Brady, the Tom Brady in Tom Brady, if you will, is that he's the most competitive human on earth. Michael Jordan, you just saw the entire last dance thing. I think the Tom Brady inside Tom Brady, the Tom Brady in Tom Brady, if you will, is that he's the most competitive human on earth. Bar none. Michael Jordan, you just saw the entire last dance thing. He's sitting at dinner before the Utah Jazz thing. Coach walks by. Michael Jordan makes up a statement that that coach says to him, and he says, that's all I needed.

I'm going to fucking go kill. It's like, okay, all right. That's inside. If that's what Mac Jones has inside of him, because that's what Tom Brady has inside of him. That's what Kobe obviously had. There's only a couple people that really reached the level of competitive juices where everything can be sacrificed for it.

Nothing will be left behind to not achieve it. That is why Tom Brady is Tom Brady brady i think so whenever you hear people say oh he's got tom brady and it's like i mean we're gonna find out i guess in like 25 years from now if he is still the most competitive human because not only is he burying putts okay like 25 30 foot putts that are a couple hard to left. Now, there were three makes in that. Two out of three. No, I thought it was three out of three. Watch the footage. It is doctor. Run the footage.

Run the footage, okay? Here's Tom Brady looking incredibly handsome, by the way, wearing his Christopher Cluse collection glasses. And then all of a sudden he says, hey, DeChambeau, this one's for you. First putt, right to left break. Count it. In the hole. Okay, it's like a 30-foot putt.

I mean, I'm no golf expert. That motherfucker rolled a long time, and it moved a long way. His second putt. Hey, this one's for you, Aaron. Now, that potentially looks like the football to the moon, but we're still not sure whether or not he hit that fucking moon. Good point.

Okay, we're not 100% sure. This third one, though. Yeah, center cut. Count it. Okay, one, though. Yeah, center cut. Count it. You remember that first little golf experience? Tom Brady had the shot of the day but played overall horrible. He was worrying on a new team, had a new offense, everything like that. He said, that ain't happening again.

That ain't happening again, by the way. He's probably at this country club. What, the other four hours he's awake that he isn't studying film on how they're going to go perfect this season? He's going to play great golf. Now, the second one, maybe, maybe didn't go in. In real life, he's still put in two. At least one 30-foot putt

like that. He's going to play well. That is not what I'm talking about here, though. What I'm talking about right now is the fact that he is able, after six Super Bowls, after getting kicked out of New England. Well, I don't know about that. Basically kicked out of New England. Okay, back your shit and go.

He felt as if he was being forced out. The culture made him, after winning a lot, want to go experience it somewhere else and see how Peyton got to do it at the end. Everybody else potentially that is a high-end quarterback, other than Aaron Rodgers, go up to the top, have a little bit more say in some things, and kind of do it. But not only did he have that okay, like Chip, but if I would have heard what he said in the barbershop thing with LeBron before the season, and I predicted Buccaneers-Chiefs, okay?

Yep. But I would have maybe put a substantial amount on the Buccaneers' future Super Bowl to win. I had no idea that there was a team that was interested in Tom Brady until the very end and then said, nah, and made Tom Brady. Now, who knows how it actually went down? Jordan, Utah coach, who knows how this actually went down? Tom Brady got so much, much like emotional rush out of this team dropping out that he turned it into another chip on top of getting kicked out of new england

on top of he's got to be better than bill belichick on top of whose legacy is it for the greatness is it tom or is it bills on top of all that now there's some other nfl team that we do not know people are saying it's maybe the rams which i don't know maybe people are saying maybe it's the uh bears i guess the bears are being mentioned in this entire thing and is that nick foals then yet again because nick foals it in the eagles by the way, catches touchdown in-game against Patriots where Tom dropped it. Tom allegedly won't go shake Nick Foles' hand. COVID protocols, by the way. Right.

So we're not 100% sure. Although he did shake other hands. Maybe he was told he could shake other hands. Him and Nick Foles don't. Is it because Nick Foles goes up there in the Bears room conversation and they say, no, we're going to stick with Foles and Mitchell Trubisky. Is that who he's saying? You're going to stick with that motherfucker?

Which is what he said on the barbershop, which is coming up. I cannot wait to watch it, by the way. That episode's going to be unbelievable. I really enjoy that series, by the way. But that's going to be. Was it the Colts? And did he hear that we were talking to Phillip Rivers? And then that's why at the end, whenever the Colts dropped out,

he said, you're going to stick with that motherfucker? Who was who was it because i would like to know and the internet is guessing and everybody has an answer i have no idea who is it the niners yeah that's what you think well i mean that was his number one choice right and keep in mind this is after you know jimmy g overthrew in the super bowl so brady in his mind probably like hey you're gonna stick with the guy who kind of lost you the game essentially or you're gonna you know go with me who's been to nine and there's one six now seven hey by the way if it is the niners which makes a lot of sense it makes more sense than colts because he would have to know that we're trying to get the philip rivers and then he would have to react to Philip Rivers. And for the Bears, I mean, they had a quarterback competition, so who knows who it would be unless, yeah, who knows who it would be.

I don't think it's the Bears because that was two quarterbacks then instead of, so he would say those motherfuckers as opposed to that motherfucker. And if you go back to the Rams, I guess maybe could be the Rams. I don't know how the Rams got into this conversation because I thought the Chargers. That's the one I read was that it was the Chargers, too, and it wouldn't be them because that was right before they drafted Herbert. So it has to be the Niners is what seems like the obvious thing, which, by the way, our first guess, I think, yesterday was, oh, is that Jimmy G? And then the Internet went a hundred different ways yesterday.

And I heard compelling arguments for all of them. Niners still make the most sense, though. Yeah. Jimmy G, though, hearing Tom say that motherfucker when I think they have the same agent. Yeah. I think, you know, like a lot of people say Jimmy G was good because he was under Tom Brady's tutelage for a while. Does Tom hate Jimmy G? And is that really the reason why everything blew up up there

because tom wanted him gone yeah bill wanted him kept i mean these are all the things that you can kind of go on on june 22nd when there's nothing else to talk about and you see a six second clip from tom brady looking incredibly handsome saying you're gonna go with that motherfucker because by the way what is that conversation is that about golf yeah do we know could be you know what i mean so we have no idea but niners seems to make the most sense yeah i mean with the chargers it could be tyrod taylor right like that that could be what he was referring to but even then it's like they were drafting a quarterback no matter what tom brady with the colts last year there was a report that came out too that said he didn't want to go to yeah he didn't want to go to the West Coast

unless it was the Niners, so that would kind of lend more credence to it being Jimmy G. Dan Patrick, though. Dan Patrick said, did you know? And by the way, Dan Patrick has been around a long time. He's been in the game a long time, shook a lot of hands, knows a lot of people. Absolutely. Dan Patrick said, did you know that the Bears were in the final list of teams for Tom Brady? Question mark. Patrick asked, I assume Dan it's yeah I think great group people

by the way we appreciate their hospitality over there to me and us all the time they're very nice the final list that Brady was looking at the Chargers the Bears and the Buccaneers I was told this yesterday I said wait a minute the Bears the source told me yes he adds that the Chargers were the long shot because Brady didn't want to be on the West Coast unless it was the San Francisco 49ers. That means the Bears were the runners up. So the Bears then, via the Dan Patrick source, were the ones that dropped off at the end. And then what Tom Brady said, you're going to go with that motherfucker to Mitchell Trubisky or Nick Foles, who they just picked up an $80 million contract? I don't know yeah I don't

know and hopefully we get the answer in in the episode of the shop or whatever but that that is quite a thing to ponder when you got nothing to talk about do you think it could still potentially be that they he had mutual interest with the 49ers and they kind of like kicked the tires on it a little bit and then they were like actually we're gonna stick with jimmy g so then the bears got involved right and then the bears were like we're gonna stick with trubisky and foals and then bruce arians is like are you really gonna come here we will give you whatever dude hey whatever you want and jason light's like fucking hey mike greenberg we got the salary cap guy listen he's a fucking whiz this dude will be able to just cut up every car. We'll be able to keep everybody here forever, too.

Hey, you want Gronk? Come on. AB? Come on. Mike Evans, come on. Cornette? Chris Godwin, come on. Ronald Jones, come on.

Let's do it. Come on. On defense side of the ball, everybody. Everybody stay. Tom, we got Chico with his nerd we got here. Hey, this nerd, our particular nerd, unbelievable. Big brain. He read the entire NFL guideline policy,

and he even got the asterisk like on 100 B, A, whatever, the word of Roger Goodell, thesis verse four, whatever, in there. And we cracked the code. We're going to be able to do it. And Chicago, it's cold as shit. Come down to Tampa. Wait till you see this. We got this place.

It is unbelievable. It's called Jetersburg. 60,000 square feet on the water overlooking the bay. Come on. It's beautiful. It's your town. We'll build a town down here. I mean, I guess it wasn't that much of a sell, huh?

And the Tom Brady they got was fucking just furious at everybody. New England, Chicago, I assume. San Francisco. San Francisco was pissed off at. The Chargers. I don't want to go back to, well, why are you on the West Coast? You know, he's probably upset at them for even having a team there. They would have stayed in San Diego. Maybe whatever maybe whatever i'll be there he was pissed at everybody

that was a lock last year go ahead what was like that's the difference right in these guys like what you said to lead off this whole thing the competitiveness that he has just mac jones might have that comes and goes he might but I mean, that's an absurd statement. Mac Jones might have it in him to win six Super Bowls, be considered the greatest of all time, hit free agency one time, and feel disrespected by a team that he has never met or played for before all the way across the country.

And that motivates him so much to go win a fucking super bowl because of him if mac jones has that in him fucking matt patricia made the right decision when he gave the final okay for bill belichick to draft him and if he doesn't fucking jimmy g is probably a patriot next year whatever i don't know what a wild time you want j Jimmy G? Well, I mean. Because if it's San Francisco, he's saying, that motherfucker? Yeah. I mean, until Mac Jones is either proven terrible or proven amazing. What about Cam, dude? Cam got COVID.

Cam's on a one-year deal, though. No matter what, hey, you always got to be thinking long-term. Oh, yeah, chest on checkers. Exactly. Cam Newton's on a one-year deal. No matter what, he's not a long-term option. It's only Mac Jones. If it's not Mac Jones, bring back James.

Watch Cam Newton go win MVP this year. Sure. And somehow, Bill Belichick will talk him into playing after an MVP in a Super Bowl. Another million dollars. How about two million bucks? Taxes. Think about taxes, how low that is. Much lower than what it could be. Think about

Tom Aaron, all these guys making all that money. Think about the taxes. Think about taxes, how low that is. Much lower than what it could be. Think about Tom, Aaron, all these guys making all that money. Think about the taxes. Terrible. You'll be paying such less tax than them. And Cameron will go, well, in Florida, there is no state tax. That takes away like 15%, 16%. Don't talk about that. Nah, you don't know.

All right, we're back in four minutes on phone calls. There's some more stuff to talk about. Lamar Jackson, his contract potentially. I There's some more stuff to talk about. Lamar Jackson. Ooh. His contract, potentially. I mean, can't wait to chat about that. Hockey's happening. Oh, yeah.

Hockey's happening. Hey, the Bolts go Bolts. Go Bolts. Down there on top of Bay Q, Gronk and Irland. The Bolts seem to be a wagon right now. Yeah. And then there was an Uzi in a shooting. All right.

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Thank you, Roman. It's great to have you all back listening and watching wherever the hell you may be. Gumpy's here. Diggs is here. The Hammerdown Boys joined us 20 minutes ago. I appreciate you guys getting your work done. Kind of find winners. Gumpy wearing a Death Row record shirt.

Okay. Suge Knight, how you doing? Keep it moving. How's the betting going? Euros still happening? Yeah. Two and one Euros yesterday. Three and one baseball. Five and two euros yesterday. Three and one baseball.

Five and two day yesterday. Okay, you're back. He's back, baby. He's all the way back. Gumpy, you do take it hard, man. You do. That England one took my soul, man. Because that felt like the 0-0 draw.

It was everybody against soccer. It was the worst thing that could have happened. It was. It was. I want to let you know, I appreciate the fact that could have happened so it was it was i will let you know i appreciate the fact you have passion for that you know because you were fighting two battles yeah not only was it for england well three i guess yeah you're fighting for england the song it's you're fighting for that song because you were forcing us to listen to that thing Coming home Football Coming home

You're fighting for that song because you were forcing us to listen to that thing pretty loud. I mean, on a regular basis, you're fighting for that. And you're fighting for the sport itself. That was three potential things that you love. No, not potential. Three things you love that you were fighting for against almost all fronts.

And it lost all three of them. But I don't think you should take them but like i i don't think i don't think you should take it that i don't think you should take it i don't think you should take it that hard though i don't like you beating yourself up like this you have so many wins dude when you get your l's like hey they're gonna happen especially in the world you're in just need you to just get by you know and get back on that it's coming home horse yeah and get back on that england train for another sport not soccer in the euros no you guys still gonna win hey we And get back on that it's coming home horse. And get back on that England train for another sport, not soccer in the Euros.

No, you guys still going to win? Hey, we go again today. We're through to the round of 16 because of what happened yesterday. You just got to get to the dance. Okay, so you guys are playing today? Yeah, it doesn't matter though. Betting against England today. I'm not a soccer bettor. Who is it? What? Who are they playing?

I don't know. I'm saying wow What? Who are they playing? I don't know. I'm saying, wow, you're bad against me. Czech Republic. The Czechs? The Czechs are feisty this year. They still got Peter up there? Peter Czech? Yeah.

He's got the sweet helmet. He put his helmet away. He's done. He's very upset about the COVID issues, though. Who? Peter Czech. Peter Czech. He came out this morning.

He's not happy. Well, who has COVID issues? So. Who? Peter Cech. He came out this morning. He's not happy. Well, who has COVID issues? So the guy on Scotland got it. None of Scotland's players have to sit out, but two players on England have to sit out and have to isolate with negative tests. Hold on. So because they were on the same position,

like it was one, a striker, and a middle back. Because they played on the same field. None of his teammates. None of his teammates. Just two guys from England with negative tests. See, and that's why the game should be a lot shorter, okay? Listen, games are so goddamn long that doctors said, how long were you with your teammates?

Not as long as a fucking game, right? No way. You guys traveled here from the hotel together, got in the locker room, and then what, the game started. So you can't be around the other team, actually, because you guys aren't around each other nowhere near as much as you are on the because they're just standing next to each other the entire time wherever you go i go we're in the pocket and that kind of whole thing yeah so two guys are out from england one from scotland so the one guy that's out for england is mason mount who

played the full game in the middle of the midfield against gilmore on scotland but ben chillwell who has to sit out has has not played for England yet in the tournament. It makes no sense. Unless he's in the same room as Mason Brown. Oh, he barracks with... He barracks with... Hey, he's staying in a bunk. They probably got a bunk bed, I assume.

If you're on the top two, COVID rises like heat. So he's probably sleeping on top bunk. He's sleeping on the bottom there. There's no problem, because COVID doesn't fall. But full capacity for the semi and the final at Wembley. Oh, yeah, 60,000. Let's go. I saw Pink perform there on a documentary at Wembley.

Dude, it's fucking crushed it, dude. Great voice. That documentary is awesome. Also, Cary Hart, the motocross legend. Of course. He's dad of the year every year, it seems like. He's fucking awesome. They still together?

Huh? They still together? Yeah, in My Ex Gonna Start a Fight. My ex gonna start a fight. I think that was about him in the song, but they have gotten back together. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, so they've gotten through it in the spotlight. It's pretty cool.

Joining us now is another famous couple, a member of a famous couple. Oh, yeah. You remember the split jersey and half? Yeah. Whatever this guy played against his wife's brother. Ladies and gentlemen, AJ. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that.

Hey, why are you judging people that like to piss on others earlier? I didn't judge. I'm just saying, like, what happens behind closed doors is not the conversation. No, I'm just saying what happens behind closed doors is not the conversation. No, I'm just saying, what happens behind closed doors is not the conversation. You know, that's everybody's, like, why do I got to hear about what happens behind closed doors with, like, Carl? It's like, it's not what happens behind closed doors. It's who they live as a human. So it's like, it's not, it's a much different conversation.

Like, what happens behind closed doors in some houses, apparently, I just learned something about that celebrity couple. There are people that potentially piss on each other do whatever you gotta do hey you golden shower however you need to shower pal all right if that's what you want to do i find it very fascinating i laughed rather hard whenever i had a conversation with person who introduced that thing into my life i laughed but if that's what you're doing it's all right with me pal it's just separating the two aj it's separating the two churches like an adult here. You know what I mean? It's like an adult here. I don't understand that the church and state reference.

But no, I'm not saying that's what I do. But I'm saying if you've thought of it, somebody's done it. You know, there's all kind of crazy stuff out there. So who am I to judge? Oh, I know. You're welcome. You've actually introduced. It's like food. Yeah. You're welcome. You've actually introduced numerous things. You are the person that has introduced these things into my life. With no judgment, though. Me neither, by the way. But I'm sitting there. I'm just sitting there, and all of a sudden, basically,

I've only been around this guy, what, one time, two times? Every time I'm around him, basically, whenever we're running, he just takes his phone and shoves it in my face. Look, Chuck Berry. Look at this guy. Every time I'm around him, basically, whenever we're running, he just takes his phone and shoves it in my face. Look, Chuck Berry. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. Oh, this is cool.

This happens. That's what you do to me. So I don't need to hear it from you, pal. But you're right. No judgment is ever from you or from us. You do a lot of you need to know this is out there. I think that's your whole big thing. You need to know this is out there.

Is that it? Yeah, a little bit. I mean, you grew up somewhat sheltereded kicking a soccer ball off the wall so you just little things that a lot of people know i just like to make you aware of them i don't think that is accurate either i feel like uh you know let's move along here um tom brady statement we talked about a little bit yesterday oh let's talk hey carl i talked about this earlier and i not 100% sure I wasn't in your locker room. I was asked to speak for the Colts locker room when the Michael Sam draft happened about what it would be. The response that I got overwhelmingly from teammates and coaches was, comes in, works, part of the team. We can't wait to have him. That's basically the thought. It doesn't matter anything else.

But there was obviously a couple guys around the NFL who said some negative things. That blew up. Those headlines blew up, I think. And now with Carl being voted a captain before and a great player, this is obviously a huge ordeal. I was not in the Packers locker room, never have been in any of the locker rooms you have been in. Although I sometimes, oh no, I wish we would have been teammates together for sure on a team what what were your thoughts on this and I assume whenever Michael Sam was drafted uh there was conversations in your locker room as well absolutely because you're getting asked

about it a lot by the media so you want to know I guess what what to expect but like everything in football if you can play people don't care if you're a good teammate and you can play and you can help the team win, trust me, players do not care anything about really what goes on outside of that facility as long as you show up and you do your work and you're a professional. So I don't think it's going to be a big deal at all. I know that sometimes we talk about the drama, okay? We have to talk about the drama of sport because it happens. And normally the drama happens with the super high

high high level humans that is not the life of everybody else necessarily on the roster that we don't get to talk about or hear about whether it's contract holdouts or not doing anything else not wanting to be at this everybody else just everybody just wants to win no matter what your motives are whether it's for more money guess what if you win guess what's coming more money if you play good football guess what's coming more money if you want to win in legacy and everything like that guess what you just want to win that's all you want to do so I think that is where the potential and I think this happened during the Michael Sam draft as well is there's maybe a couple guys that were asked questions and they maybe had never had a friend or somebody in their life that was gay and they had no idea. And they said

something. And then all of a sudden, boom, it's like the NFL locker room is closed minded. And there's some people that wouldn't want to. It's like, I disagree. I actually think the football locker room is like that's what it's for. Like's for everybody you know it really is the diversity like think of you've talked about a million times like you go in a locker room it's unbelievable you sit down and listen to every guy's story on where they've come from what they've been through and it's such a wide range and they're all together trying to fight for one common thing that's the goal of a coach a leader so i i think like there's nothing too crazy really for an nfl locker room that anyone's going to be shocked at or going to be like oh my gosh i can't believe that and then there's people

that are talking like um well what about in the showers it's like what are you even talking about like showers is a is a business operation it just so happens to be every single day if your facility i mean could build hey technically yeah i mean there could if if your facility could build private showers for every single player yeah that'd be nice yeah i mean i assume guys but that's just commonplace the shower and as weird as this might sound uh to people that have never been that is just a common like that is just a happening like hey that is just a happening. Like, Hey, that is just a, so like that doesn't change anything from outside the shower inside. That's the, that is not a,

I don't think that is a, no one gives it any thought. It's not even a thing. Yeah. I don't think anybody would be like, Hey, I'm not going in when a old buddy's going in. It's like,

you don't want to do, are you going to check? Are you going to check him out? What's going to, what's going to, what's going, like, I don't, I don't think that to check him out? What's going to, what's going to happen? What's going, like,

I don't, I don't think that's how the shower is. By the way, it's a place, it's a place of business. This has to happen. Okay. If not, guess what?

This whole place smells like shit. All right. And we have a couple of teammates. I assume you had as well, who didn't like the shower or whatever. And there had to be like real conversations. Like, Hey,

listen, you're making a whole team worse. Whenever you decide to do what you're doing right now. Okay. It's tough to sit by it. There's an entire shower right there. Just one, Conversation. Say, hey, listen, you're making a whole team worse whenever you decide to do what you're doing right now, okay? It's tough to sit by you. There's an entire shower right there just once a week maybe, once, twice a week. Just do what you got to do.

Get in there. But, yeah, I think that is just – I think all the things that are brought up about why everybody thinks it would not work in an NFL locker room are actually the exact reasons why an NFL locker room is just fucking like such a cool place because it's like everything you're thinking of is basically what makes the locker room cool it's like we're just all in this thing together let's keep it moving now if he stinks hey if he stinks I think everybody in the locker room is gonna be like

okay listen we appreciate we appreciate the hell out of you for being completely yourself and honest with us, but you can't fucking play football. Not performing. That could potentially happen in the future. Hopefully there will be more players that are comfortable, especially after Carl did his thing, and that is going to have

to be something. Now, Michael Sam, I have no idea what happened there. That was obviously years ago. I didn't do but it's just i think it's cool i'm excited for him and it came out of nowhere uh lamar jackson okay he posted a photo of him throwing on instagram all right and a lot of people on the internet immediately go oh he didn't post the video smart that's what everybody's saying he didn't post the video. Smart. That's what everybody's saying. He didn't post a video. Because the internet is a dumb place. Okay? That's what the internet is. And you're going to find the dumb people in our society if you

look around on the internet. What we have to do is just go ahead and sort through them. Alright? We just got to understand that they exist. This is us acknowledging in our society that there are fucking doofuses. Okay? Absolutely. This is something that does happen,

and they do have access to say things in public, on a public forum, in their hands, and on desks or in computers or whatever. We just have to acknowledge that there are going to be some idiots, and we just got to take that. We just got to take that sometimes. For me, I get attacked a lot, all fronts. Okay?

And I realize the more people that see me, there's, hey, guess what? Much higher chance more people are going to hate me. More stooges. Like, hey, that's going to happen. We just got to understand that there's going to be some of that and keep it moving. I want to see Lamar post him slinging that thing. I know. Because I think the Baltimore Ravens social media team,

and I don't know how they are normally. Okay, this might have just been an anomaly, a mistake. I think they did him wrong by showcasing that one throw that they did. And I don't want that to make Lamar gun shy, because guess what, Lamar? You are perfect for the Internet, everything you do. So I don't want him to be bullied by the Internet right now into not posting videos. AJ, I hope that's not the case, obviously. Well, I mean, we can only hope it's not the case obviously well i mean we can only hope it's not

the case it's it's a pretty amazing argument you have for this fact just the fact that he posted a still shot which i'm sure he got from the uh the team and he thought it looked cool with the background everything looks good the balls in there at the laces you can see everything like do you think lamar thought about this like hey i better not post the video no i'm gonna critique my throwing i mean i hope not but they remember there's no way they banned hey they banned video being released from their practices yeah they banned it i mean it was fan that's weird it's weird but it's all right they probably know like hey you could you could doctor you could take any throw or anything somebody's working on and then it can kind of like change the narrative i'm one of our guys yeah i mean editing can do some things

you know certainly or if you threw 10 touchdown passes during the team period but he threw a pick and seven on and the guy posts that hey listen i'll go kick some balls all right i'll go 10 4 16 on good punts okay guess. Guess who's getting posted? Ten of those things. There ain't 16? I'm sorry, it didn't have six more slides. I wish it did. Can't post it. Editing can, you know, paint whatever picture you really want

when it comes to highlights and things like that. I just know that Lamar Jackson is an edited highlight tape every fucking time he goes on the field, it seems like. Even when he goes off the field, takes a poop, comes back on the field. He's going to get paid a lot of money. I guess that is something that is happening currently. Connor, what did we read this morning? Something is into works.

So, yeah, Garofalo was reporting how the Ravens' number one priority is to extend Lamar Jackson, and now Lamar Jackson is negotiating his contract actually on his own. With his mom. I believe his mom is his agent. Right. I think because she was with him on draft night. Remember?

And that was when he was coming out. His mom was his agent. Right. Yeah. That was a big story. I think that his mom was his agent. So his mom and Lamar are handling business with Baltimore, which is why. Okay.

This makes a lot more sense now. I had forgot that she was his agent because when Harbaugh came out and it came out that they were negotiating a long-term contract extension, it was being talked about as if it was like a done deal was happening. That's probably because this is personal and this is business with your star quarterback. So publicly, you have to, this has to be a very comfortable thing on both sides. And they're saying this is the first time, obviously, at this magnitude that a deal is being worked by the player and by the personal relationship, mom or whatever.

It has to be handled differently. This isn't, you're not going to some suit who's getting paid and then you're unloading and then that suit is choosing how to deliver the information so that there can potentially be a conversation so a deal can get done because that is the goal ultimately for the agent. was misunderstood, miscommunicated. Now it's everything you say publicly about it is being heard, and everything you say privately is being heard. And if your public statements aren't matching your private statements, you can obviously see how a quarterback and a mom could be like, hey, fuck you. This is awesome.

I'm very pumped that Lamar and his mom are doing this. This is good business. This is, instead of any potential narrative painting, which some teams do, where we offered more money than ever, blah, blah, blah, and they turned it down. Now we're going to get a chance to see how, like, hey, this is good business here. Now, this is Lamar and the Ravens. They're going to try to make the most of it. I assume Baltimore's going to try their best in clauses and shit to do stuff if i was lamar and his mom and they've already negotiated

millions and millions of dollars of deals so this is not me trying to give any advice at all i'm just saying in my particular world whenever i have to do this sort of thing i tell them i don't want all that bullshit okay i want i would like this to be a basic deal okay this is this is you and me all right this is the basic deal. I need to see it. I don't need 4,000 pages of stuff. I'm not going to read it. You know, who reads it? Lawyers do so that other lawyers can stay in business. I'm not doing that. Okay. In this particular deal. So it can't happen. We need this to be pretty simple. I, there has to be that sort of conversation potentially happening as well for as simple as an NFL contract can go,

the shit that lawyers can put on things that can just absolutely change it. I think that's the only question mark. And Lamar and his mom have already proven that they can dominate those conversations. This is just for other players that are potentially thinking about doing it themselves. Yeah, but don't you think the Ravens also have extra incentive to keep the relationship good with Lamar? I've seen what happened Tom Brady leaves leaves New England after so long we see what's going on with Aaron right now it's up in the air like they want to make sure I would imagine that Lamar is happy with the deal too and it's not it's a fair bargain between both of them but

when will this thing get done we have any idea great question joining us now is a senior insider at NFL.com and NFL Network. He's the host of a show that is currently in hiatus for some time now and for the foreseeable future. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. What's up, dude? Sad but true. What's up, dude? How you doing? What's going on? I'm doing great, man. Summer is here. It's the best ever. Yeah, it is the best ever. And we got some? I'm doing great, man. Summer is here. It's the best ever.

Yeah, it is the best ever, and we've got some real shit to talk about, especially with Lamar Jackson. Let's get to it. I was going to ask you about your shirt, because you had the Mississippi State Bulldog on last time, and that garnered some ripples on the Internet. Was that a Mets shirt? Mets today, yeah. People always ask me what I root for, and there's really only two things. I root for the Mets, which is also sad but true. That's my lifelong, you know, whatever. And then I root for Mississippi State because that is my wife's alma mater.

And besides the fact that I like a lot of the people there and I truly like them, I also want to stay married. So it is a personal and a business decision. Okay, respect and smart. The Mets will be the Pirates without DeGrom, but let's move on. Lamar Jackson negotiating his own deal alongside, I couldn't hear you, the thing's

dead, so whatever you said there, good. It was good, I wish I could have laughed. Lamar Jackson, and it's a professional show, Ian, fucking get it together, dude. All right, Lamar and his mom negotiating this deal with Baltimore. This is a big-time contract. It's going to be

at least $100 and some million. The conversation revolves around, there's been very public statements, knowledge, it feels like, from the Ravens' side that a deal is going to get done, and it's going to be big. And I wondered why, and I forgot that Lamar and his mom were their business team.

They want this to be good, public and private, huh? This is your quarterback, this is your quarterback's mom. This has to be handled much differently than whenever you're going through an agent with lawyer speak and burials, right, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's a good read on it because it's not, you know, like if you're heading into a contract negotiation with your starting quarterback, powered agent, you know, like Josh Allen's doing it with some of the guys from CAA, for instance,

for DACOs with Todd France. I mean, you know, agents a lot of times sort of act as the buffer for teams to players. So if you're really pissed off about some counteroffer, you scream at the agent and talk about why you're going to put him out of business or whatever you want to say. And then the player generally has no idea and the relationship is good. It is a little different with Lamar Jackson because it is his mom sort of acting as his business partner, business manager,

which of course everybody went bananas about during the pre-draft process. And he still went in the first round and uh somehow was able to negotiate still his rookie deal not a ton of negotiation but you know millions of dollars they got it done yeah millions of dollars i mean the money was set but still like you got to make sure it's right um i you know lamar is seeing the same sort of eyebrows raised from the agent community and from players as well because his mother is doing it um it is a lot of pressure it is unbelievably difficult the stakes are incredibly high because if you lock yourself into a bad deal you could be costing yourself tens of millions of dollars it has happened um it has happened and you know we'll see we'll see which way it goes i mean it is going

to be big and the ravens do very good deals often for the ravens so this is probably the one that is most fascinating of all the deals for me what do you think lamar's contract looks like compared to say what josh allen's contract's going to be i mean i think some of it depends on when it's actually done because usually the guy who goes first um you know gets jumped by the next guy and you know i would imagine just considering you know caa wanting to have the highest paid quarterback i would imagine they will probably i would imagine they'd probably like to see lamar go first hey hey you've done that twice now by the way you've you've dropped uh caa there so there is a behind the scenes big time competition happening amongst these Hey, you've done that twice now, by the way. You've dropped CAA there.

So there is a behind-the-scenes, big-time competition happening amongst these agencies when it comes to football contracts, NBA contracts, and everything like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, and CAA just happens to have Josh Allen, athletes first, Todd France, et cetera. But Lamar Jackson has his mom. And so that's why, like, I think they can get it done. I think they're, yeah.

The Jackson agency is trying to get on the scoreboard. Just say, hey. Jackson Incorporated, right. Whatever it is. Like Rich Ball? But it is. He's the highest. It's difficult.

And a lot of eyeballs are going to be watching because, you know, if they do a bad deal, it probably sets the quarterback mark you know if he gets if he ends up getting i don't know let's say 36 a year right i think everybody would be like hmm like okay that's good hey but that got 40 and he's you know lamar's the mvp i mean so you know in the agent community um because they're doing it without an agent, everyone's watching. OK, let's get to this real quick. Let's get to this. OK, so let's say they negotiate a good deal. Are you going to cover it the same way? Are these agents going to get pissed off of you for covering it that Lamar's mom was able to negotiate a perfect deal?

Or is it is it probably going to be a little slanted towards maybe. The deal could have been better. Is that? No, that's actually not a bad question because, obviously, you know, like me and the people like me talk to agents a lot. But the numbers are going to be what the numbers are going to be. Like I've done, I would say, like fairly extensive reporting on a couple of the other big-time contracts that were done by people without agents. Laramie tons i've got a massive deal no agent deandre hopkins massive deal no agent covered him the same way uh sometimes people from the agent world are very upset about that but the numbers are what they are

um and they all get their time anyway so i will probably cover it the same zito just looked up um felicia jones is her. If I'm one of these agencies, I'm trying to buy her agency. Isn't that what all the agencies do anyways? They just buy up smaller agencies and become these bigger agencies. I'd be buying up Felicia Jones agency at least before this deal is done and being like, hey, listen, remember, we also got some potential blackmail in this that you might not have. OK, we can potentially we can maybe do this type of thing as well. That's because I didn't even think about this sets the like Josh Allen. He hasn't really talked. He's just said it's going to get done.

People get it done. It'll get done. I'm focused on this. And I don't think the bills have come out and said that's going to get done soon. This one, Garofalo reported and said that it's going to be done before training camp, potentially. So, I wonder if Josh Allen's camp is legitimately, CAA camp, is like, okay, let's let Lamar go first here, and then we'll go. Hey, he won an MVP.

Buffalo Bills have had, you know, back-to-back playoff runs. They look like they're in a good spot. That money potentially going to be near each other. I think that's probably a good move, but whatever Lamar's is, it is going to set the day what if it goes fully guaranteed like kirk cousins goes that was something that you know didn't really affect the overall market at all right uh it was precedent setting but because it was an actual free agent quarterback and that you know free agent quarterbacks rarely happen like for your real legitimate starting quarterback um no obviously no offense to Fitz and Andy Dalton I'm

just saying it was a little different when Kirk Cousins was out there um that sort of set the precedent but it didn't really affect the market much I'd be surprised if the Ravens did a deal like that they are very very good at making sure their deals are raven friendly yeah but they can't they can't they can't be super raveny they can't in this because if it comes out you know and it's public and it like that's going to affect the relate like that's what i'm thinking i might be wrong in this whole thing gonna be a ton of money though it's still be a ton of money it's not structured isn't it right but no pat's right though because we saw this with colin kaepernick and the 49ers they did a deal that was the 49ers won that deal by a lot and um and i don't you know this isn't a value judgment this is literally what it just what it is uh it significantly hurt the career

of colin kaepernick's agent scott smith at the time he's not in the business anymore like that was it and then that was you know that that was one where I think Kaepernick probably realized that he agreed to a deal that he should not have pretty quickly and then made it difficult. So how much leverage does Lamar have in this whole situation? Do you think they have the upper hand? Is he, who's going to win, I guess? I mean, I have a hard time saying who has more leverage

because let's just say Lamar says, hey, man, I'm playing it out. Sorry, you couldn't offer me anything. I'm playing it out. And then he goes and just kills it. They got him some weapons. Yeah, but think about this. Think about this. Think about this.

They offered him. He turned it down. Okay. So then he heard what exactly directly from his mom and he doing business. He heard exactly how much they valued him versus somebody else. So if he was to do as opposed to a, Hey, that's not a good enough deal. I'm not even going to present that to Lamar, which by the way, happens, happens in business. That happens in business a lot. I do business with the folks, Jeff Jacobs are sitting right here.

There are a lot of things that he potentially gets that he goes, I am not even okay. Cause you will be cut out of his orbit forever. If we, if we do that. And that's something where I hope, I guess a lot of people can separate, you know, they can separate church and state, you know, they can separate the value of somebody putting on you versus the personal relationship. But it's very difficult. I learned it is very, very difficult for me not to be like, hey, fuck you, actually. So that's going to be fast. I don't think there will ever come a time where he turns down and says, you know what, I'm a play through one more year. And then he comes back because I think at that point, he said, what more do I have to do to prove I just it's it is different. Like this is a this is a very different thing

they have to kind of wade through because personal relationships, you know, that is business basically at this point. So if it's a couple hundred million, I guess that kind of cures all, but still it's like, this could be tough for them. Let's talk about some other stuff going on in the world. Talking agents, lawyers, legals.

Aaron Hernandez once threatened to kill you in public. I did not know that. We just found that this morning. I had no idea. We just saw a headline. I guess it was from way back in the day. Is this real? Former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez once threatened to murder prominent NFL reporter Ian Rappaport in front

of a crowd. Sportscasting.com reported that. We saw a headline only on Instagram, by the way. I don't know about the prominent part, but sure. Did that happen? It happened sort of. So, I mean, yes. The words were used. So I told this

story when Hernandez died. Sort of. I mean, Hernandez died, and Sports Illustrated reporter called me because she knew that I'd covered him, and i kind of told the story and i'm sure this has happened to you too like i said it and as soon as i said it i was like oh shoot this is probably going to be a headline because like which was definitely not my intention so what happened was we were hernandez and i were cool um we were not best friends, but, like, we had each other's numbers, and we talked, and he was, like, you know, definitely a little edgy.

But we were cool, you know? And at some point, you know, and I think this was actually when he was giving me his number. He was like, look, like, you know, you're my guy. I appreciate you. You know, you got to do right by me. You know, I trust you. And if you don't, I'll kill you. And I kind of like laughed.

And he didn't laugh that much. And then I looked at this other reporter who was staying there. And he kind of goes like this. And then as soon as Hernandez got arrested, I get a text from that other reporter who was like, do you think he was serious? I don't know. So, you know, threatened sort of. Hey, so rap sheet, he says that, and then you guys dap up, or it's just a walk away?

Yeah. Oh, no, you know, the, yeah. Hey, you do that, I'll kill you. He said that to that one guy. Hey, you do something in my car, I'll shoot you in the face. And he did. And he did. Hey, I'm happy you didn't do him wrong, Ian.

It's great to have you here on this Tuesday, June 22nd. That's an insane connection to a pretty large story in the NFL's history. Shout out to you, Rap Sheet. Let's talk about two stories happening right now. Uzi and a Lambo. And then on the same night when everybody was attacking Frank Clark for potentially why does he have an Uzi? Another NFL player was shot four times going to see a family member in D.C.

In D.C. That was not like a that was just are my vocal cords quitting? No, it wasn't June Buck. Whatever. What is the updates on these stories? These are obviously alarming headlines uh frank clark allegedly now has been caught with uh in gun possession two times in the last few months do we know what's going on why this is happening and what's the future look like here all right we'll start with uh jalen twyman who's a late round pick from the vikings defensive tackle that i think most people probably had not heard much of

before this happened he was he was visiting a relative in DC he was apparently according to his agent Drew Rosenhaus in a car and got shot four times uh Rosenhaus called him an innocent bystander which is to say that he believes that his client did not do anything wrong he is uh I have to check but I believe he's still in the hospital, but shot four times. Nothing serious, which I guess is sort of easy for me to say, but nothing serious or life-threatening, no broken bones, no ligaments, nothing that will prevent him from playing football,

but obviously extremely, extremely scary. The Vikings were aware of this whole thing they put out of statement, but this is, I would say, extremely scary. And, you know, the Vikings were aware of this whole thing. They put out a statement, but this is, I would say extremely scary, but hopefully he is going to be okay. Okay. And then the also scary situation, Frank Clark, Uzi and the Lambo. Why is that? Is somebody coming after him? I mean, he was pulled over, I guess, for some sort of like minor car violation. And then the officer looks and sees an Uzi sticking out of his bag.

And then, you know, that's not okay. But it's even more not okay because this was something that he got in trouble with a couple months ago. I mean, these are the kind of things that can be suspension worthy in the NFL. I mean, or worse. I mean, it's a felony gun charge. Yeah, that's the biggest deal here. Forget about suspension.

Contract, too. Right, and lose guaranteed money and maybe go to jail. And these are the kinds of things that, I mean, there was a time in the NFL when we've seen players got arrested a lot before the NFL really, really kind of stepped up their support system of all the, and, you know, we haven't seen a lot of this now, but this is two gun charges for an extremely high profile, very good player over the span of three months. Like something is obviously wrong.

Um, and I don't, I don't know what's going to happen. Um, but that is it for one of the best teams in the NFL, a extremely important legal situation as one NFL player who has been arrested. Okay. I'd like to say, let's not judge until we hear the whole story here, but that seems like that could potentially be difficult both not only in court but also behind the scenes. Anytime somebody feels like they have to drive around with an Uzi, I just got a lot more questions.

I'm like, who is potentially looking for him? I'm worried about old Frank Clark. Go ahead, Diggs. Ian, there's a lot of pretty notable veteran names still left as free agents. Do you think – do they get signed during training camp, pre-training camp, after training camp to see how players develop and injuries and stuff like that? Is there a majority of when these guys will get signed? Yeah, it's a bad time to be a free agent.

And you're right. Like the names we got, I mean, just kind of off the top of my head, you know, we got, we got KJ Wright. We got Richard Sherman. Let's see who else. I got my little list. You got Todd Gurley. You got Melvin Ingram.

I got a big list over there. These guys, I think probably a couple will sign before camp. But if you're a veteran and you've waited five months or four months to sign because you want $5 million instead of, you know, the minimum plus a signing bonus, you might as well wait until someone gets injured. Like we're going to see there's going to be some, like, key linebacker injury, unfortunately, or something like that on, you know,

August 4th in KJ Reibelbeck. I'm glad that I waited. So I think, you know, you might see one or two of these guys sign before camp but my better guess is you'll see some of these guys wait until they absolutely have to sign like if you're richard sherman you've been through 10 training camps you already didn't get the money you wanted originally like you should just wait and like maybe the money comes up because somebody has to have you time rap sheet uh a clip from the shop came out uh with brady saying you know you're sticking with that motherfucker talking about some quarterback and then dan patrick reported this morning that the bears were one of the finalists we were trying to figure out if it if he was talking about nick

foals if he was talking about jimmy g with the 49ers have you heard anything on on who brady might be talking about in that clip and if the Bears were really that close to getting him I don't think it was the Bears because my understanding of the Bears situation was they were interested in Brady and he kind of didn't want to play in the cold and just wasn't like I don't think the Bears were one of his like really down-to- it finalists and they definitely didn't stick with trubisky over brady they wanted brady and he ended up signing in tampa so i don't think it's the bears i i don't know um i don't know the answer i think it's amazing that that show is really good obviously my second favorite sort of internet screen based show um, besides this one, obviously.

No, no, this show is not better than the shot, but I appreciate you lying like that. Is it not? No, now we have to take into question everything you say after that statement, but go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead and finish that. I have not watched a ton of that show,

but I will probably watch it this time. What? How the hell do you know? What? What, do do you know? What? What, do you just see the clips? Is that how you say you're watching something? Yeah, I see the clips. Okay, yeah, you sound like me, too.

Yeah, yeah, I do a lot of that. But I actually watch that show because you're getting super high-level people talking with other high-level people. They're comfortable. It's normally great. And the Tom Brady-Howard Stern interview was unbelievable. And I hope this time it is also great do you think though that was about another team in you you're thinking it's the Niners as well it sounds like I I kind of

don't think it's the Niners I mean the language he used sticking with him makes me kind of think that it was someone who had already been a starting quarterback for that team, so maybe that's Jimmy. My immediate thought was the Colts. Because they basically chose Rivers. And even though they weren't sticking with him, they had just signed him, but Rivers was clearly on the downside. And also, Brady likes Jimmy G. So I would be a little surprised. Who knows?

But you could say this kind of thing about your friends. But I'd be a little surprised if it was someone he really likes like Jimmy G. Well, okay. So what you just said there, maybe he wasn't talking about Phil Rivers. But he would have had to been introduced to the Colts' interest through Phil Rivers at some point. And then he would have had to say, I'm interested, and then Chris would have said, okay, let's have a conversation, let's talk,

and then at some point, if this was, if what you're saying is right, if what you're saying is right, let's talk, let's talk, and then all of a sudden Chris goes, you know what, hey, that was a good time. We're going to go a different direction, and then he... Well, I think a lot of people knew, I mean, didn't we all know at that point that Rivers was going to the Colts?

I mean, it seems like a million years ago, but I felt like we knew that was kind of going to happen probably like in February, right? Just like Carson. You must have known. Yep. Yeah, I did know, but I also found out later that we potentially picked Phil Rivers over Tom Brady.

I'm going to let you know, my reaction was exactly how it is now. I did not know that was as real as it is now. I heard glowing reviews about Phil Rivers as a human, as a teammate, as quarterback, everything like that. That's amazing. I love Phil. I love how competitive he is. Hey, dadgummit, he cracks me up.

I love every fudging thing. He was a great interview on here. But, man, Tom Brady's available. And then this year, guess what? Julio Jones was available. I assume maybe Julio was trying everything. And then Gronk would have been here. And then Antonio Brown would have been here.

Damn. With that defense and T.Y., Jonathan Taylor in the backfield alongside Mac and everybody else. I mean, it's a little frustrating when you say shit like that, Raph, but you've been talking out of your ass all day, so I don't know what's real and what isn't. You know what I mean? That's fair.

I'll watch the shop. I'll go back. I'll look. I mean, it seems like a good show. It's just, you know, we got a lot of things going on. I'm still trying to make it through Breaking Bad, okay? I'm just finished season two, so give me a break. Go ahead, Connor.

Raph, any update on the Deshaun Watson front? Because he's posting on IG again and he's chucking football. So is there anything going on there? There's legals. I did notice that he's back kind of back at it on social media, which I don't think he really stopped training. But obviously, as you get closer to the season, he gets more and more high profile.

I've also noticed the Instagram thing. So whatever that is, he's back playing and kind of being out there. I don't get the sense any resolution is coming soon. I don't get the sense. We'll see one until kind of probably like maybe like right before training camp teams are still interested. I know some would like him to kind of wrap up his legal situation, settle,

whatever. We haven't gotten any inclination that he wants to settle under the circumstances that the opposing lawyer wants, which is with everyone kind of muzzled. So Deshaun, just get this clear.

Deshaun would settle if everybody was allowed to talk. Because Deshaun's team doesn't want to settle because the settlement agreement presented by what's his name? Busby. Busby is that everybody would not be allowed to talk going forward. It would be like a NDA type thing. Right. NDA was the kind of thing I was searching for that I couldn't come up with.

I got you, dude. Yeah, I do this. Appreciate that. I don't come up with. I got you, dude. Yeah, I do those. Appreciate that. I don't know if he definitely would settle. I don't know if they have a number, but I know from what I was told that he's not settling unless the accusers are allowed to speak however they want and unless everything becomes public. Full transparency is important, and it seems like that is what he is fighting for hey ian you have an you have an agent i do i'll see you've never been in the room you you

have no hey you have you ever sat down you've never done the uh and you don't go in there and do it yourself aren't you you've never done that you've never got curious on how that whole thing goes um i know i i don't want i don't want to have awkward conversations. So I'm much happier to have someone else who I pay a reasonable sum to go in and make awkward conversations for me. Because, like you said, when they do something where you're like, hey, is this really what I'm worth? Like, I don't want to hear that. Just tell me. I hope you cover this Lamar Jackson situation as such then. You know what I mean?

I hope that, you know, because this is a, that is really how this whole thing pans out. I don't know what the Ravens, I don't know how they're going to handle this. Because I think the natural instinct of the Ravens in NFL teams, in CBAs, in every negotiation is we got to win. We got to win. We got to win. We got the best lawyers of all time to win, win, win. And in this situation, that might not, I mean, I don't know how that's, that could blow up.

Thank you for the conversation today. Rapaport, we appreciate you so much. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, host of Rap Sheet and Friends, which might come back at some point, Ian Rapaport. Yay! So sorry to interrupt, but I want to let you know it's time to spoil the shit out of your dog with BarkBox.

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Now, two 70-inch TVs and $25,000 up for grabs. All you have to do is, all you have to, there we go. Woo. Don't want to kill it. Yeah, but you got, I mean, you heard me just like, you knew that I was literally just buying time there. Because I forgot what the contest was because, I mean, it's a good one today. I was wondering why I haven't been able to move my arms. Okay, right before this photo was taken, all right, this one right here, I did curls.

30-pound dumbbells, they're little machine ones, alternating. And by the way, we're talking one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. That is how we're counting, okay? How many curls do you think I did in one run, by the way, wow, right before I took this photo, if you get it right, you could potentially win $25,000 or one of two 70-inch TVs that we'll be giving away. All you have to do is get it in before somebody else. First person to get the right answer in, $25,000. Then the next two, obviously, the televisions.

Congrats to whoever it is. I appreciate you. AJ, what's your guess, pal? 14. Seven each arm. Okay. Okay. I'm judging, AJ. What's your guess, pal? 14. Seven each arm. Okay. Okay. I'm judging off the percentage of your max.

I would imagine if you're 30 pounds, your max is probably, what, 45 pounders you could do in a curl? Oh, this guy. I mean, what is your deal? Look at the photo. What an asswipe. Don't just judge me. That was a compliment.

I'm saying you were so jacked that you only had to do seven each arm to look like that. Oh. Good spin. Oh, what a flip there. Never would have. Aaron Donald, like a young Aaron Donald. Never would have expected that, you know. And we talked to Bobby Lashley one time,

and Bobby Lashley is maybe the most jacked human on the planet Earth right now. I asked him, I'm like, what do you do? And he said, oh, at this point, I just got to do just a little bit of weight. I just kind of work out everything and just kind of maintain and just move along that's what you're saying about me me and bobby lashley don't have to lift that much to look like we have a little bit of muscle is that what you're saying aj hawk i think bobby lashley may have some superior genetics over you and myself for sure that guy is absolutely shred he's jack he is uh him and drew mcintyre okay we're staring at each other.

I walked by them, you know, while they were staring. I was like, Jesus. These dudes are billboards. Their backs are billboards. I have no idea how they do it. But you're not right with 14. So go ahead and enter your guess on Twitter. Use the hashtag PMS100KGiveawayWeekDay2,

and that's the number two at the end. And guess how many reps alternating each one counts. Good luck out there. I haven't been able to completely straighten my arms all day because of it. There's a little bit of a cramp. So that could be, you know, that could be a little bit of a clue. Maybe I did. Maybe I did go, AJ.

Maybe I did go. Very impressed impressed with myself by the way very pumped up about it why with how many times you could curl 30 pounds yes i don't know you know i haven't okay so it's a lot then so people know it's good clue for us bingo that's why in i haven't boxed in a couple days either fresh arms so the art now they're dead now, by the way. My arms are dead right now. But I got after it. I was pretty psyched up about it. And if I could just look... How do you just look like that all the time? There's some guys that just look like that all the time. Just flex.

Just flex all the time. Yeah, but there's people I feel like that don't have to do that. They just kind of walk around and they look like... Cut up. They got zero body fat, huh? Yeah. That's what it is. They don't eat. Everyone else can stop because I already tweeted out the winning answer. Diggs did count. He did.

He did. So as I did it live, there was six different counters. Nobody agreed on the number. So we had to watch the video back. And by the way, then it became two people agreed, three people agreed after watching the video back. There was quite a speculation on what the right answer was. Well, it's tough to keep count because as my guess, I'm pretty sure it was correct, 13,873.

See, now that is something to think about here because I was getting going. I was moving. Whatever, you could potentially win and get the right answer. We're supposed to have Jet passing on with us, but there is a tech glitch. So, I'm kind of feeling here. So, Jet has been filling here. You know, just kind of filling. I think you guys have witnessed and heard us filling there, which is terrible fodder for conversation.

Hopefully, getting to a convo that is very fascinating. Hopefully, Jet isn't on the other line zooming with a Zobrist marriage counselor. That guy was their marriage counselor as well. How terrible is that? Well, and that's when he told him to take some space away. I mean, just worst guy of all time. But the Zobrist pastor yawn situation where the pastor was trying to fornicate

and did successfully knock boots with Ben Zobrist's wife while telling Ben to basically go, hey, just go away a little bit. Go live in a hotel. Hey, go do what you got to do here. And having him take off a year basically afterwards and losing out on money is just one of many wild tales and situations that follow around the great sport of baseball. It seems like everything that happens off the diamond is magical on the diamond snoozer.

That changed last night when both of those worlds combined with Jacob deGrom welcoming in an entirely new era of baseball. To break it all down, insider from ESPN, MLB insider, ladies and gentlemen, Jet Pass. Yeah! Attaboy, Jet! Oh, are you talking?

Jet, what's going on? Oh, wait, are you talking? I'm sorry. Me? Yeah, no, I just thought on the show when people talk, you don't pay attention. I'm sorry. Touche. I'm sorry. Touche. I respect it.

I almost forgot about that. I will never forget about that. Sorry about that, Jet. But hey, I think I would have struck him out. I really do. We could have figured it out right there. The player just stepped off the mound. Thought we were going to be able to finish that thing off.

We could have returned the favor to you there. I do apologize for that situation. It snowballed into something that we could have never guessed. I apologize for that, but thank you for being a part of one of my favorite moments I've ever had in my entire life, live on the air. Ben Zobrist, his wife and pastor, that snowballed into something I don't think any of them could have ever guessed.

And I don't want to talk about that with you because you have information on stuff that we can't find anywhere else. We'll be able to talk about what happened with that pastor and that World Series MVP at another time with other experts, maybe pastors and other things like that. This whole spider attack situation here. What happens if yesterday when the camera national solo shot is on the best pitcher in baseball, DeGrom, all eyes are on DeGrom. What happens if when they go in his belt or under his hat or behind his neck, what happens if they just scoop up a massive thing? Like what happens if that happens? And is this going to go on every single game? And how people will get caught and how did we get here so a lot of questions there i

appreciate you all right first off uh i think he goes to jail if they find something dead no i was about to say solitary confinement i mean i got shat for being drunk in public i couldn't even imagine that type of punishment he's gonna going to be your roommate, Pat. Listen, it's bound to happen at some point because cheating's been, like, cheating's kind of baseball's thing. I don't know if you've noticed, but, you know, the trash cans and now the spider attack. It was interesting. I was talking with somebody last night

who was aware of the enforcement that was going on across baseball and about how many guys had been using before they enforced the rule that had been on the books this whole time. And he said some of our worst offenders in baseball pitched last night and they didn't find anything.

So there's one of two possibilities going on here keistering they're keistering number one is that guys actually have been scared straight and i think that's i think that's probably the likeliest but number two is guys are finding interesting spots to put their spider tack now. And you know some guys got spider tack on his balls, and he's going to regret it later. But it is going to happen at some point this year. Hey, Skin, listen, we got $500 million on the line.

We'll get back to you later. Go ahead, AJ. Hey, Jet, so how often will they be coming out and patting these pitchers down? And can the opposing manager ask for this? And is this this gonna be some gamesmanship where they're gonna continue to try to mess with guys interesting looking through the rules it says if we determine that a manager is requesting something illegally we're not gonna go check it like if he's doing it just to, you know, delay the game, or if a guy's, you know, struck out eight in a row and he says, okay, go check. They're not going to do it unless there's evidence there.

But this is going to be something you see every day with every pitcher. Starting pitchers are going to be checked multiple times a game. It's probably going to be after the first inning and after subsequent innings there. And every time a reliever comes into the game at the end of his outing or at the end of his first inning rather he's going to be checked but the closer are the ones that get the special treatment because like let's say you give up a walk-off home run you don't want an umpire going all tsa on you and patting you down and and trying to have himself a good time so closers get checked before they go into the game okay so they're gonna have to get somebody

to air mail it in from the crowd while they're doing their long extended run maybe i've seen a lot of jail escape docs and how they get stuff in docs i assume if pitchers really want a couple hundred million they'll figure it out but that up hump last night, I mean, he did a – Oh, yeah. He went full, like, two hands into the crotchal area. Yeah. Like, it was intense. And that's DeGrom.

You can see the look on DeGrom's face. DeGrom was like, I know I'm good, but geez. Yeah, he's really good, obviously. Hands off the merchandise. Amen. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Jet, for guys like DeGrom, like, after last night, and he's really good obviously hands off the merchandise amen uh go ahead ty yeah jet for guys like de grom like after last night and he's good does he get like a check mark or is this like you said is this going to be every single time he pitches multiple times oh yeah it's going

to be happening for the rest of the year why does the sport have to stink why why does it have to stink to watch the game's already too long. Don't we already think that? Isn't that kind of like? Yeah, but isn't this just going to be in between innings? Like, I don't know. Why aren't they doing it in the dugout, too? Why is it out there on, like, first baseline? Why don't they have somebody, like, follow it? For instance, when I was in the substance of abuse program

after the aforementioned public intoxication that happened, you know, I just, some drug tester would call me in random cities. I've been tested everywhere that you could imagine. Follow me into, like, lobby bathroom of hotel, gas station bathroom of place. Couldn't that just happen in the dugout? It seemed like this was a show. Like, it seemed like DeGrom was out there and it was like, all right, if they find something, this guy is going to get booed out of the building.

Like, isn't there another way you think to do it, or is this how they do it? You know, I'm glad you brought up drug tests, because I was actually wondering whether you guys have had Gumpy tested for being high, for being the spectacular dumbass who actually says bet on England's soccer team. What are you doing? Oh, my God. We're already through to the knockout stage

and won the first game. Jet, you don't know. Gumpy said, that's what he said. That's what he said. You don't know, Jet. I think he just said knockout. Yeah, he's from canada pulling for england i know i know but the um by the way the grumpaw grumpaw was quite a bit i mean

the slam shirt today too i mean yeah because he dunked yeah yeah i saw it early and then he obviously i mean jet great appearance here today great appearance here today. Great appearance here today. But is it going to be broadcast to everybody, these checks? Is this going to be something they're going to try to expedite quickly? I was going to say, it was just a novel thing because it was the first day. Like, if you go to the ballpark, you're going to see it every time. But, I mean, this is a genuine question for both of you because you guys played professional sports and you probably have takes on cheating. Would you rather Major League Baseball implement this in the middle of the season like it did?

After six years of not suspending anybody for foreign substances, or would you rather have them wait until the end of the year even though they know that this is going on go ahead aj it depends if i'm a pitcher or not if i'm a pitcher no i want to wait till the end of the year if i'm a hitter right test them right now hey get this shit out of here yeah get it out of here doug kick it off the tour right now if i'm a designated hitter and i'm making all my money off of hitting a baseball and the person that I'm competing against, although I know that could affect my team as well, but our team's performance doesn't affect my paycheck as much as my performance does.

If I can make this guy stink and hit bombs off him, let's do that right now. But for the sake of the sport, though, doesn't there have to be kind of like if we didn't abuse this, if we didn't get the spider attack, like isn't that almost what Manfred, who I know called the trophy a piece of metal and has said other things? Is that kind of like, hey, we have to do

this until we can learn that we can't just abuse everything that we do? And do you think this will ever make its way back into the game because it's been around for so long? Or do you think this is like the new normal? Like, hey, these baseballs are going to be completely dry when you're pitching because that's like a whole heads-up football type thing, isn't it? If it sounds like the culture of baseball is to always use that stuff.

Here's what's going to happen. Major League Baseball at some point in the next year, and I would assume it's going to be before the 2022 season, is going to have a substance that it approves pitchers to use. What they're trying to do right now is figure out whether they can have something that's sticky without significantly increasing the spin rate, which is what the whole problem was in the first place. You know, this all really started when pitchers started,

or when hitters rather started complaining to major league baseball hey this is a problem and you have to take care of it because nobody can get hits anymore that's where this came from because for years major league baseball understood that this was going on and just let it go didn't enforce the rule because players were saying at the time pitchers especially we need this to keep control of the ball well when you give a major league player like a little bit he's gonna eat the whole damn cake hundred million hundreds of millions of dollars are on the line i mean of course that's what yeah guaranteed money forever that is so much money whenever and i think that's that'll get goes all the way back to A-Rod, right?

Whenever he was 18 years old, he was supposed to be the next thing. And he was in a locker room with a bunch of grown men who were mostly taking and using stuff. And listen, A-Rod, Alex Rodriguez is Alex Rodriguez, okay? I don't know enough about him. But when I learned about him basically being one of the faces of cheating, and then he came out and kind of owned it and said, like, this is the way it was. And it didn't sound like a lot of people disagreed with him, by the way.

At the time, it didn't sound like it. There's always, in that sport, all those unwritten rules are going to all get exposed because of how much money is at stake. Is there anything else we should look out for? I mean, I would have never guessed people were in censors on their chest that people could ring in and tell them a curveball is coming but that was happening i guess right no you know don't do this yeah yeah no no yeah you're right you told us before that didn't happen yeah you're right you're right but here's the thing every time somebody accuses a houston ast player of doing that, Astros fans say,

Jim Pessin went on McAfee and said it didn't happen. I didn't say it didn't happen. What I said is I haven't found any evidence of it. Oh! Wait a minute. I knew it. I knew it. Breaking.

So I just want to let you know, I brought this back up because I see all those tweets as well. And remember, whenever you said that to me, I was very surprised as well, because it was my understanding that they had something that went all the way from their toes to their heart. And somebody was sitting in the dugout and they had eyes on a camera that was in center field and they were hitting like, Oh, curve balls coming just a little. And they, Oh, all right, here we go. All right. All right. And then a fastball.

Yeah. Yeah. I think so. That by the way, wouldn't take shirt off that's right wouldn't take shirt off so then whenever you said after all my research and i view you as the authority on baseball in my life and i hope you know that so that's you and ty are literally the he's more like the opinion how i should feel who does what you're like hey this is what's happening in the sport so you two about 90 to 95 percent of my information so whenever you said no there's no exoskeleton my thing i was like oh shit like that was surprising to me and it is surprising that's why i think he gets tweeted so much again and now here you are saying i'm not no no i'm not saying that it existed i'm just saying i went looking for it i spent a long time looking for it and

didn't find it you couldn't find anybody to say yes? You couldn't find any, like, pictures or potential? You couldn't find anything in your investigation? Trust me, Pat. I spent a lot of time looking for that stupid-ass buzzer. Couldn't find it. They buried it. Couldn't find it. Diggs, go ahead.

Jet, Otani's doing the Home Run Derby. Tatis, we're still waiting to hear about Tatis. Vlad Jr.'s not find it. Diggs, go ahead. Jet, Otani's doing the home run derby. Tatis, we're still waiting to hear about Tatis. Vlad Jr.'s not doing it. Is there any – are the players incentivized to do this at all, or is it just a publicity thing? And can we incentivize these young players, especially that we want to see do it? I think the incentive should be that Otani's in it.

Like, here's the thing. I think this derby is going to be the most watched. I'm not just saying this, I'm not being a company guy because it's on ESPN. This is the most excited. I've been covering baseball almost 20 years now. This is the most excited I've been for a home run derby. Just getting to see Ohtani, getting

to see him in Colorado. I don't know. What did I miss there? Are you having a bad again? No, when you're talking about how awesome the Home Run Derby is, I'm very excited about that because weeks ago, we decided kind of like we floated out, we're going to go. And as we got closer, I just assumed I would be like, no, I'm not going.

You're going? It's on a Monday. We've kind of put into motion with SeatGeek that we are potentially going to be. Better get the hell there, Pat McAfee. It's Monday night, though, right? It's a Monday night. Aren't you on SmackDown, not Raw? Yeah, but I'm just saying that's Monday night.

And then all of a sudden I'm home 2, 3 a.m. That rolls into a terrible Tuesday for me. I mean, it's just, you know, I got to think like an adult here. I got to speak into a microphone, I don't know, like 20 hours live a week. So I don't know. You turn into a little bit oh it's the first week that you're back on the road too yeah i'm in houston on friday fort worth on sunday i mean what do you fucking think i'm not brett michaels okay shut up all right i'll go i'll go jet i'll, I'll go. I'll go, Jet. I'll go.

I'll go. Yeah, I will go, Jet. I'm going to go. Listen, I like their laws. The ball is going to fly. You know, I'm... Hey, hold on. Pat, ask Jet.

Does it really mess up guys' swing for the rest of the season if they compete in the home run derby? Nope. Total myth. No evidence to back that up. Thoughts I felt good about that. Not going to happen. Otani's going to be hitting balls 500 feet.

I will say this. I don't know if Major League Baseball still does this, but once upon a time, the balls that they use in the home run derby must be like the rejects from the Rawlings factory because they feel a little different. They're almost like the Super Bowls that are out there. So it's going to be awesome. This is the ball that I hit.

I'm very excited. This is the ball that I got on base after hitting a 90-something mile an hour fastball one of the first nights I ever stepped in there. I wish they would have gave me one of them home run derby juice balls, or maybe I would have used a cork bat like I'm Sammy Sosa or something like that. But I played old school baseball, and I'm excited to potentially get out to Denver and watch those guys. Pat, I bet you we could get you on the field.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm out in the crowd. You want to resurrect your career? Yeah, play in the softball game, Pat. You were AB against AJ last time. Come on. You're ready. I want to see you hit a tank in Colorado.

Who should I what? You should pitch to Otani. Yeah. There we go. Okay. That's what I should do. By the way, so much pressure on that. The pitchers.

Oh, yeah. Big time. Poor Bryce Harper's dad. I understand he was a great coach and everything like that. But when he stepped into the box, they'd be like, hey, dad, like, hey, we need to really go here. Like, we need to really go. The dad has to feel, or whoever's throwing,

like there is a very large sense of pressure on that. I don't think we give enough credit for that. That is a tough gig. Not a fun gig. I won't see any of that though because I think we're going to be in the stands. We'll be looking down on you, judging you, hopefully snagging balls.

You know what I mean? Alright. I like it. How many home runs are going to win it, you think? I mean? All right. I like it. How many home runs are going to win it, you think? I mean, a lot. I don't even know what. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't even know what the number is going to be. I feel like Otani is going to do like a Josh Hamilton in Yankee Stadium thing, where just every ball that's piped in there is going to be going out.

Now, final question for that, because you said the incentive is that Ohtani's in it, so other players should want to play in it. They also get paid. I think there's a million bucks on the line for the winner. Oh, there we go. Okay, let's go showtime. Let's go. Shohei Ohtani winning another million, jet passing covering on TV.

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