The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 447 - We Might Buy The Pirates, Ike Taylor, & Jeff Passan

Episode Date: July 8, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys talk about loud and come up with a plan to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates and start putting it in motion. They also cover the Euro Finals between England and Italy, whether or not the Tampa Bay Lightning can sustain the winning after winning another Stanley Cup last night, who is going to ultimately win the NBA Finals, and the recent comments made by Doug Pederson about his situation in Philadelphia, . Joining the program is 2x Super Bowl Champion, 12 year NFL veteran, Pittsburgh Steelers legend, Ike Taylor to chat about his cigar company, chats about whether or not he might be getting in a boxing ring at some point soon here, and chats about the Steelers locker room that he was in, and how things are different in the NFL now (23:52-48:29). Later, ESPN MLB Insider, Jett Passan joins the show to chat about the Home Run Derby, why Shohei Ohtani is so special, and what Pat would need in order to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates (1:02:21-1:30:00). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Thursday, July 8th, 2021, years after zero. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes on this beautiful day. What a ridiculous line that was, but we got some good convos today. Ike Taylor stops by. He has a cigar line. He's a two-time Super Bowl champion, 12-year NFL vet. He, hey, he's ready to throw some hands, I think. A couple big announcements made. I think he also announced a Riddick Bowe fight that's coming up, and then Jet Pass and us talked about what's coming up in the baseball world, and I potentially made a massive life decision. Today's show, I think, is an above average one. Go ahead and let us know. Tweet us, at Pat McAfee Show, at Ty Schmidt, all the boys, and hopefully you like it. And if you do, be a friend, tell

a friend. If not, just act like it never, ever happened. Let's get to it. Big show today. Ike Taylor will be joining us in about 22 minutes. Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl champion a couple times. A jet passing. Whoa. Fuel up the jet to talk to Jet about next week being baseball's important week

because the home run Derby is happening. Michelle Hayatani is going to be in there. And they're going to be living life. What's going on in baseball? We do not know. We'll ask, I assume, per usual. Everything going on around baseball, much more conversation worthy than what's going on on the diamond?

100%. I believe last week some insane shit popped off in the baseball world, some allegations, some conversations, which led to a suspension of a pitcher who is the highest paid person in the history of baseball. So that probably maybe get talked about. But let's talk about the good that is baseball with Jet Pass. And that's a home run derby.

And Shohei Ohtani potentially hitting 70 home runs this year. 70 home runs this year. Jet passing, okay, and at Ty Schmidt, at the beginning of the year, at Boston, Connor was on my side,

at the beginning of the year, Ty, we were sitting here saying, this guy's the best baseball player of all time. Ever. I have never seen anything like this. Have you? And you guys are, oh, Babe Ruth did this for a long time. I'm like, okay, so we got the next Babe Ruth playing right now, and we refuse to believe that he is going to be the greatest of all time.

And everybody's like, will he be able to last? He's not going to be able to last. He can't do it. He's also playing the best baseball he's ever played. He's been able to last. He's been able to continue to do it. He's hitting more home runs than anybody. He's still pitching, I think, like seven innings.

He is a dominant baseball player. Best of all time. Ty, you ready to say that yet? Yeah, I mean, I can admit when I'm wrong. He is fucking unbelievable. Okay! Here we go. Okay, here we go.

Great attempt. To your point, I really do hope that they take care of him and make sure he doesn't get hurt because he's proven that, like's proven that if he can stay healthy, he's one in a billion. Anyways, the reason why you listen to this show at SiriusXM, Channel 82, Mad Dog Sports Radio, and the reason why you watch this show at YouTube.com forward slash The Pat McAfee Show is because whenever I dabble into other sports or we venture into things we might not necessarily be considered experts on. Normally 100% right. For instance,

what have we been telling you for weeks? Go Bolts. We get a house in Tampa. We move in. Penguins? Alright. Good season. Still the greatest team of all time. Greatest franchise of all time. Love the Penguins. But that Tampa Bay Lightning team,

congratulations. You don't go back-to-back much anymore. It's not easy to do it. Greatest franchise of all time. Love the Penguins. But that Tampa Bay Lightning team, congratulations. Go, Boats! You don't go back-to-back much anymore. It's not easy to do it. The back-to-back conversations are, by the way, you go into conversation forever. That's why the Pittsburgh Penguins became the Pittsburgh Penguins in the 90s. They go back-to-back. They continue to move it in other sports. People go back-to-back-to-back.

And it's only every once in a while that happens. The New England Patriots are able to do it. I mean, there's only a couple teams that have ever been able to stack it together, especially in a best-of-seven series playoff thing. And there's a stat about the Tampa Bay Lightning team that is very interesting. I guess a couple years ago, they lost to the Columbus Blue Jackets. And then since then, they have not trailed a series in the playoffs. They've won two Stanley Cups.

In this particular one, I don't think they even, I think they had the lead in every single game, in every single period of every single game, except for the last game that they lost to Montreal up there. So they had the lead for like eight straight games in the playoffs. They were never behind. One of the most dominant performances by a hockey team. And let me tell you what, we have a house in Tampa.

Of course. Okay, that's coming to an end very soon no very very soon we will we'll have a moment of silence for the tampa bay uh fandul beach house that has been very very good to us i mean it has been amazing and it has been awesome to kind of learn about tampa bay a little bit let me drive around tampa is impossible okay a lot around there's exits for exits. There's this. And it's Florida, so you've got some lunatics driving around.

I mean, it's not the easiest city to kind of navigate, but it's a beautiful city. Beautiful. It is a beautiful city. The Bay is gorgeous. And what they have been able to accomplish in the last 283 days is a two Stanley Cup run plus a Super Bowl in their own city, in their own stadium run. Might be the hottest city ever. This Tampa Bay Lightning squad with Patty Maroon, who's won three straight Stanley Cups now,

they looked unbelievable this entire. Last night, they dominated that game. Nick told me that, you know, you lost the money on England in regulation because it is soccer. It went to extra time. And that's how it ended. Congrats to England, by the way. It's coming home.

Football's coming home. It's coming home. Football's coming home. The Euros are happening. Italy, England on Sunday. Is it going to Rome or is it going home? Is it going to home or is it going home? I don't know. We'll find out

on Sunday. The boys will be watching. But this Tampa Bay Lightning team, that city, okay, the city loves the Lightning. Oh, yeah. And it might be because they are winning. Obviously, it's much easier to root for a winner.

But since we have gone down there for this SmackDown run, there are flags on cars. There are flags on houses. There are projections on the side of buildings. There are sign-offs while walking in and out of stores. Go Bolts. Go Bolts. This is even, I would assume, Go Bolts. Go Bolts.

This is even, I would assume, Go Bucks happens during football season. And it is a hockey town. Makes no sense to me. I'm from Pittsburgh. Hockey town. And it's a cold, most cities I've ever been to that are hockey towns are cold. This is just the way it goes.

South Florida Panthers. I mean, Darius Butler found out they existed, I think, just a couple years ago. He became a fan. But that ain't a Go Panthers, right? Go Pens is something that is said. Go Bolts is in very much the lexicon of the people down in Tampa. They love that team. Nick, I have to ask you, is this team going to continue to win?

Because last night, only won by one, obviously. Nick said, don't worry about the English loss because they didn't win in 90. You lost a couple thousand. Tampa's about to go ahead and blow the fucking skates off of the Montreal Canadiens. Down there in the storm, down in the Amelie Arena or whatever the hell it is, where lightning and thunder combine for great hockey and Stanley Cup championships. Whenever you said that, Nick, I put everything I had left in the account on it. Had to. 1-0 win. 1-0 win.

Come on! Dominant, almost lost it there at the end, to be honest with you. Almost gave it away. Canadians got hot there towards the end, obviously, when they pulled their goalie. But Tampa Lightning, this is the best team that has been constructed in some time, Nick. This team looks to be... They're overpaying the salary cap. They win the Stanley Cup.

I like it. Hey, I don't care. If you want to spend more money to win and you do win, I'm with it. That's why I watched Yankees when I was a kid. They were willing to pay more money than everybody else. Oh, that's cheating. Well, they just want to win more than everybody else. Is there any rules against it?

I guess there is in hockey. I don't know how these guys got past it. They're unbelievable, though. That was fun to watch last night. They're unbelievable. Salary cap in the NHL only counts during the regular season. They had some injury situations where they had Kucherov, their best player, miss the whole season due to hip surgery. He comes back in the playoffs, so they're obviously paying much more than many other teams.

So they're exceeding the cap during the postseason, which doesn't matter because there is no cap. So they were actually one of the teams who voted to close this loophole the past couple years. So you can't really criticize them because they pointed it out they said hey there's loophole here and if you guys don't want to close it we're going to use it listen we'll rest the guy a whole season yeah don't matter he's got a hip thing he he'll come back we'll rest he could have came back maybe three quarters of the way through the season we said no no no listen there's this loophole where we can actually get you back in the playoffs well rested you're our best player and we can pay you your full salary somehow how's that sound good you want to nap on the bay for a couple more weeks sure all right go do your thing go go

ahead and look overlook that uh bay shore avenue or whatever where it's just a line of hundred million dollar homes basically right on there just go ahead and hang out for a couple more weeks we're gonna need you in playoffs there's a loophole we tried to tell the nhl we tried to tell them they didn't fix it so you'll be right in there the team's already rolling we'll pick this stam coast and the boys i mean what a game good for the tampa lighting it seemed like um a lot of people were tweeting me that were lightning fans while i was going on my uh while pittsburgh penguin hockey season started which was playoffs there early and you know everything i was saying about the pens i i still stand

behind at the time when I said it. When it was coming out of my mouth, I did fully believe it. I had a lot of people in Tampa. We have a pretty good following in Tampa tweeting me when I was doing that like, shut up. You have no idea. You have no clue. That Tampa team is bigger, faster, tougher,

more skilled than everybody else it looked like. That is literally what they look like against the Canadians. And I think in their last couple of series, I didn't watch it closely. How is that team able to be assembled? And are they forever? Is this going to happen? Are they just getting started? Is this thing going to be, is this going to be a dynasty here?

Are the Detroit Red Wings potentially never, ever going to be able to see anything good? Well, it's funny you mentioned that, Pat, because Steve Iserman actually built this team. Former Detroit Redwood great. Built this team, but left before they were able to win. And the Cubs went back to Detroit. They win all the Cubs without Steve. All credit goes to Steve. This is Jackson. He's the GM of the Redwoods. This is Mark Jackson.

This is Tony Dungy down there in Tampa when Gruden won and built the team and they win immediately afterwards. This is I guess here Steve Eisman builds a winner, can't do it with him though, has to get out of town and go back to Loserville. Yeah, so unfortunately he does not get to

collect any more rings. And if you look at what they have coming up, much like that house in Tampa, unfortunately we may be saying goodbye to the Stanley Cup champion run No! It's going to be very tough to keep all these guys

together. No, I'm trying to get Marco and Jay Florey out of Vegas, by the way. That's fine. Send Matt to Pittsburgh if we can get fucking Stamkos. No, Stamker to Boston. I've heard before. That's so honky, by the way. Hell of a season. I mean, I only got a chance to see the playoffs because you guys don't really market it well and put it on TV, you know,

like during a regular season, which is a difficult part. And now that they're with Turner and with ESPN, hopefully we'll be able to see more games. But hell of a run by hockey. It was a good run. The Islanders had that run, remember? They did, yeah. Send a call, see them out in beautiful fashion.

I mean, that was a beautiful run there for a while. The Bruins looked like they were going to be a squad in these. And then obviously, Marc-Andre Fleury was trying to score in the playoffs. There was a lot of great storylines. Pittsburgh Penguins might be dead. I mean, I'm not... Whoa! We'll see what they do.

Might be dead, you think? They might be dead. Really? Well, the more and more I've been reading about the team that I grew up being a fan of and have been a fan of my entire life from Hockey Town, the more and more I read about it, it seems like they are completely fucked. They seem to be too old, too slow and don't have enough money to really get

anybody that's younger, smarter, faster. And the goalie that we're paying a bunch of money, he fucking doesn't know how to play goalie. So it feels like unless something can really turn in the Penguins organization, it's going to be a long road back. But now that I hear Tampa's dead, let's go. Penguins next year are going to win the Stanley Cup.

Let's not forget about the Seattle Kraken coming into the mix. They're going to be a long road back, but now that I hear Tampa's dead, let's go. Penguins next year are going to win the Stanley Cup. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe not. Let's not forget about the Seattle Kraken coming into the mix. They're going to grab a player from every team. They're going to shake things up. What if they grab Stomkos? Different dynamic. What if they grab Stomkos?

They get Evgeny Malkin. Math. Math. They grab Math. They can't let that happen. Dude, that's how they got Math and Vegas. I know. That's how Vegas got good.

I do like that. Maff just got the one to stay in the cup with us. He just got plucked and sent to Vegas. Yeah. No, he was benched for Matt Murray, who inevitably was shipped out of town for this fucking guy we put in this last time. But yeah, the way those expansion teams work, I don't think it's just...

Teams have to put in players? Or is it like hard knocks where you qualify to be a player for that like math was one of our guys like all-star just won a stanley cup be loved by the city now matt murray came in and played for him in the playoffs that we won that stanley cup he was not playing as much but he was just picked up and thrown to vegas and was become the stoner i think the same thing well the real kick in the gut sack was they actually traded Math before the expansion draft because they thought they might take Matt Murray instead because it was a younger, cheaper option. The way the expansion draft works is every team gets to protect a group of players.

I think it's like seven forwards, four defensemen, and then one of the two goalies. And then everyone else on the roster is up for grabs. So the Boston Bruins goalie's gone. Tuga? That backup. Who's your backup? Oh, the backup. Swayman? I think they have a great backup, don't they? Halak, he's a little bit older. He's probably

safe at this point. Swayman is the one that we can't have Swayman go because that guy can play. Nobody's listening to you right now. That guy can play. The Seattle Kraken are not listening to you right now. You are not trying to make a move here. Don't listen to me. Stay away from Swain when he's the future of the league.

Yeah. Well, I don't think so, pal. I won't let you know. I think Lord Stanley's coming home. To Boston? Pittsburgh. We have pasta. Lord Stanley's coming home. To Boston? Pittsburgh. We have pasta. Lord

Stanley's coming home. He's coming home. Donner! Also, the NBA. Hey, there's some big numbers coming out of the NBA. Congrats to the NBA as well. It's been pretty celebratory here the first couple minutes on the show. I like that.

Shout out to the NHL. Congrats on the Stanley Cup win. And I believe they're all still up and they are going to have a boat parade i got a chance to talk to a couple of tampa bay police officers down there after uh the wwe show when they're out in the parking lot i'm like are you guys getting ready for the boat parade down there like oh yeah and by the way this one is you know the buccaneers one was kind of thrown together last minute they said and they think this time, because the city, you know, go Bolts, go Bolts. Go Bolts. And they know that the boat parade's coming.

The Tampa Bay Police Department said that they are expecting a little bit more juice. They think, even though that Super Bowl boat parade was awesome, it looked amazing. It was like a team basically just floating through a city, having the time of their life with no rules, and people just clapping as they go through. It looked like a dream. Almost got me to go kick balls again, actually, for a chance at a boat parade again, because it changed the entire game

there. This lightning one, they're thinking that the city is going to... I would assume so. I mean, and a tropical storm just got out of there. We were supposed to fly and watch that game. There was a big storm in Florida. It got out of there. I guess it's up in North Carolina or Georgia now. I hope everybody's okay, by the way.

So they're coming out of a storm, out of COVID, back-to-back Stanley Cups and a heads-up on what the boat parade is and could be and expected. Look for that to be must-see television. Yeah, is that tomorrow? Is that when we're also down there and possibly doing a show from a boat on the Tampa Bay Lightning Boat Parade? Are they doing that tomorrow? That's a great question. Yeah, because usually it's two days after, right?

Especially if they're home, they didn't have to travel. Are we in the boat parade? I mean, I think it feels like it's tomorrow. We need a boat. Holy shit. I got a whaler. Get that guy on the phone right now. Get that Boston whaler now is anybody have a boat license i i was handing the keys to a boston whaler and i did not have a license i was very surprised by they they literally tossed me the keys and said go do

what you gotta do i'm like is there a way to it's like is there a way to yeah you'll figure it's an easy thing just go to the rabbit parking that son of a bitch coming back was tough because we're eating some chop from that tropical storm, too. So getting into the thing. Foxy, you're a boater. You grew up on the lake or whatever, especially with Lake Michigan. There's a lot of chop there. Parking that thing is not easy.

I don't fuck with oceans. I don't fuck with Lake Michigan because there's a lot of chop and that's scary. We have an inland lake, so I just drive a pontoon nice and easy. From my understanding, though, I think a driver's license suffices for a boater it shouldn't by the way because i agree i just looked up it should not by the way when i because i was rolling i told you guys about how the seaplanes were landing there's just like this one they actually explained to us what it was because it was right outside of like where our bungalow was looking there was just like these incredible

boats floating we're like not floating but like 80 miles an hour like seaplanes were landing in i'm like is this a hot like is there a highway constructed like in the water like what is this i've never seen this and they told me that a glacier okay oh cracked and formed this very deep, like basic route or rut almost. So the water is calm there and it's deep. So it's just like it kind of is its own thing. And we had to go cross that on the way. So I had to go across the highway. Yeah, I was playing Frogger with this whaler.

And I, you know, that whole thing, a seaplane potentially. I mean, there was a lot of that. And I thought at that point I was getting pretty confident you know once i crossed the whole thing and sam was laughing a lot and then there was a lot of poking fun potentially because i i'm not a boater i'm not about i this is this is not normal for me to be boating so everything was good i felt like i was on top of the world then i had to go fucking park that thing and it was on a dock that was like jettied out into the water and it was wood and that thing is oh yeah you know so i'm coming in there and the storm is over the like it is coming so the waves

are starting to get pretty bad and i'm out of that glacier rut so i'm in there and i was feeling pretty good and sam's laughing we got music playing i mean it's pretty good time but then that boat starts like lifting and you get off of the gas a little bit that boat goes straight back down because the gas has you sitting back on that thing you have a sit back i almost took us right into the resort i mean i almost crashed it three times i did a i i i tried to like figure it out what would be the smartest way and normally i feel like and this is something i assume a lot of people have but i I have an ability, I think, quickly to resolve a problem. I feel like I have a resolving problems. In most things, this particular one, I couldn't figure out.

I'm like, I don't know what the reference for it is. I have no idea what the reference is. So I want full gas forward, let the thing kind of drift me in, and then stop reverse. And I thought the water would of drift me in and then stop reverse smart and i thought the water would just drift me in water shot me past the dock had to turn around so now we got a little bit of a crowd okay now the people at the resort are kind of watching i come back i did like an eight point turn they throw me a rope basically i sam grabs it we wrap it we get in we park it we get off there was like a little

bit of a congratulations yeah there was a little bit of uh not a full standing it was a little bit of more of a golf clap like way to go there but i don't think sam i in i don't think sam i was fully panicked and i am never in a moment of panic and much but it water with my ear my history driving something i've never drove with potential wood just going right into my wife's head while trying to park this thing. Storm at your back. Planes coming in. I mean, I've never been there. Time to go.

But what I'm saying is, boys, I'm ready for this boat parade. Hell yes. Okay. Come on. I am ready for this boat parade. I mean, the obvious choice here would be Foxy would drive the boat. Right. Grew up on a pond and on a country club.

I mean, this guy is a boater. Of course. Through and through. A sailor. This son of a, this son of a son of a sailor here. This son of a bitch. We should potentially have him do it. But with how I'm feeling with the glacier, the highway, the parking, the storm, I feel

like we put headset on me. And I think your co-captain up there, maybe. Connor, I'd like you at the front like leo and that lady in titanic and i think we could potentially get some good quick we should be trying to get in this boat parade let's look at it be incredible probably be saturday if we all have to guess yeah it's monday what oh great yeah we won't be there good run man that was a good little 10 minutes though park the whaler park the whaleraler. I was going to get to a break, because we've got Ike Taylor coming on,

and my earthings just died. And we do not have any batteries in the area here, I do not think. We'll get to a break. We'll get to a break, and we'll be back with Ike Taylor on the other side. Today's show is going to be a good one, I think. This thing's frozen.

Yeah, speaking of lightning, I mean, that storm right before this entire show. Nah, I'll go. Yeah, speaking of lightning, I mean, that storm right before this entire show. I'll go. Yeah, put it right there. Yeah, we had a... As we were coming on the air, we did not know if we had internet. We did not have TV. The TVs

were down. Power was potentially out. A full... A microburst? Is that what they were calling those things in Pittsburgh instead of... Yeah, the microburst. It felt like it was a microburst is that what they were calling those things in pittsburgh instead of yeah the microburst yeah it felt like it was a microburst here it wasn't like a tornado but we had rain literally coming down sideways dumping on our entire office and it stopped right before we got on air so shout out to mother nature but uh if monday has a storm down there i don't know if that boat parade's gonna be worth the fuck anyways we'll get to why wouldn't they do it on a friday or saturday well monday too gives them a little extra weekend you know i guess yeah has a storm down there. I don't know if that boat parade's going to be worth a fuck anyways. We'll get to it. Why wouldn't they do it on a Friday or Saturday?

Well, Monday, too, gives them a little extra weekend. I guess, yeah. Three-day weekend there, the Monday, because they're already celebrating right now. Yep. Yeah. I mean, they're celebrating now, they're celebrating through the weekend, and then Monday's like the cap-off. Like, all right, here we go. Let's put a seal on this thing. I think the

Stanley Cup celebration is the best. Yeah. I mean, I still remember O is the best. Yeah. I mean, I still remember Ovechkin. Yeah, drink. Ovechkin in that pond, just running all around Washington, D.C. Then he goes on to late night shows with it, drinking out of it. I've seen the Stanley Cup on the south side of Pittsburgh when the Penguins were the Penguins. And we're just talking about people, house and alcohol,

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he's a two-time Super Bowl champion. Played in the NFL for 12 years. Got his start I think playing flag football or something like that on campus. Coach saw, said, hey, why don't you come play? He says, you got it. Ends up as a Pittsburgh Steelers two-time Super Bowl champion.

And now a man who has his own cigar line. And I believe we have some getting shipped to the office or Diggs has some getting shipped to him. It's been caught somewhere in transaction. Ladies and gentlemen, Ike Taylor. What up, Ike? caught somewhere in transaction ladies and gentlemen ike taylor yeah what up ike p-mag how you and the crew doing though hey we are great how are you is this the house we're never inside normally we're outside the garage now we're inside is this the office where are we so we're in north cackalacky by my mama house so i'm just chilling and of course she made a special room for her favorite kid

there's a lot to put up i mean you've had great success is there any cigars in there do we have any uh new cigars in there what's going on no no we we don't have any cigars actually i'll be in vegas tomorrow so anybody in vegas come to the cigar convention uh in vegas from the 9th to the 12th come check out these one of a kind cig-kind cigars. Hey, here we go. What are they called? One-of-a... Kind. I like that. What is it? Is it a medium? It's a medium.

It's 80% Nicaraguan, 20% Lancaster PA, and it's wrapped in Sumatra in Connecticut. 100% smooth and delicious. 100%. Are you an wrapped in Sumatra in Connecticut. 100% smooth and delicious. You know what I mean? 100%. Oh, were you big? Are you an aficionado of cigars?

Is that like your, how did you fall into this? I'm working on it just every day. Like since like 2009 in the off season, I just kept going to the cigar bar around my house, like every day, just chilling, just chilling. And then my homeboy two years ago, he was like, bro, since since you smoke cigars why you just don't come out with your own cigars and i'm like man what the hell i need to do he was like this what you don't need to do because there's been a lot of athletes who have had cigars their cigars wind up being trash so i'm a rare

wine drinker so what i told him pmac i said this is what i'm gonna do with my cigars i'd rather let my cigars sit and age and have good tobacco then push it out and they say my product is bad he was like there you go so that's exactly what i did like every time i get a shipment of cigars i let them sit and age between 60 and 90 days then i'll put it in the stores and whatever you want to call it or online softer right now i'm just treating my cigars like red wine. Well, I think it's a beautiful business plan. I can't wait to see how it works out. I'm not a big cigar smoker. I fancy the ganja much more than everybody else.

But we got a lot of cigar people. AJ, we're going to send a bunch to AJ to smoke. AJ Hawk loves those things. We want to support the hell out of you. We hope the world buys your Nicaraguan tobacco. And where at? where's the other one lancaster pennsylvania so the amish are cooking up your tobacco over there that's a man they cook it they cook it something good if they can cook some of your stuff too well the amish have i mean

this is a whole nother conversation they are tax exempt they are all cash they they don't have electricity they live in the colonial, but it is an insane racket the business they got running. We're also the biggest show in the Amish community, so great to have you. Love you guys. Shout out. Yeah, you too, I guess. You do business with the Amish. Tim McAfee did a lot of business with the Amish, so

we appreciate them. Well, Ike, it's great to have you back. What are you? You're on vacation in North Carolina? Are you going to that fight in Vegas this weekend? What do you got going on? Well, I didn't even know the fight was going to be in Vegas this weekend until somebody told me. So actually, I'm going to go. Smart. Have to. Yeah, have to go.

Yeah, you have to. Because as a matter of fact, Poirier, he's from Lafayette, Louisiana, which I went to the college, Louisiana, Lafayette. So I've hit him up a few times on Instagram. Me and him have been going back and forth. So I've hit him up a few times on Instagram, me and him been going back and forth. So I definitely go support him since he already fighting.

Oh, he's going to get knocked out. Yeah. Maybe don't go. Hey, listen, Dustin could beat the living dog shit out of me. And this is not,

I am never going to be that person that does that. But Conor McGregor, I watched an interview. He told his family to stay home. He's sleeping, resting, sleeping, eating, fighting. Watched the fight with Dustin back a couple times.

I don't know if you should go. If you're going to be in Dustin's corner, I don't know if you should. Hey, it looks like, hey, he said in a body bag, Dustin's leaving. You might be with a dead body if you go on Dustin's family. I don't know if you should do that, Ike. I got hands, so I ain't worrying about that. All right, let's talk about the hands that you have uh you're legendary pittsburgh stealer obviously the pittsburgh stealers are in quite a

while there's retirements there's a lot of players that are not there anymore ben's back new offensive coordinator uh obviously harris coming in out of alabama is a big get juju signs back for a year how do you feel about the team? There's a lot of people. Now, Steelers fans always believe the Steelers are going to be good because the Steelers are always good. And Mike Tomlin has an incredible record and reputation of always winning and getting to the playoffs.

Next year, though, with the way the AFC North is, are you worried about the Steelers at all? How do you feel? What do you think about the season next year? No, I ain't worried. It's just it's going to be between, it's going to be a three-way run when it comes down to that

top one. And it's going to be between the Baltimore Ravens, the Cleveland Browns, and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, how I look at it, I think the Cleveland Browns can give the Pittsburgh Steelers much more of a run than the Baltimore Ravens. So that's goingers much more than a run than the Baltimore Ravens. So that's going to be my whole thing.

But the Baltimore Ravens and the Cleveland Browns snuck in last year for the playoffs. So you had three teams from one division, the AFC North, to make it to the playoffs. So the only thing I'm thinking with Pittsburgh is they got to use that young man they just drafted, Najee, from Alabama a lot more often. Probably more than none. You know what I'm saying? And the only way they can get back to that is by going back to that old Pittsburgh Steelers, you know, ground and pound and playing good defense, not relying on Big Ben so much. Will Big Ben be okay with that?

Everybody says that it was Big Ben that was checking to the pass, and he wants to be in shotgun, obviously. He doesn't like to be under center. James Conner, there was some stat that whenever Ben was under center and he got a chance to go in the eye and run downhill, he was much better than coming out of a split backfield or whatever. Do you think Ben will be okay with that? Hey, Ben came out and said, listen, no more off-field shenanigans.

No more off-field shenanigans. Also, I will take a massive pay cut he said to come i actually pitched to do that you think he's just down for whatever if it's handing the ball 30 yeah i did the same reaction by the way whenever he said that do you think uh do you think he's okay handing the ball what 25 30 times you think a game how many times you think they're gonna have to do that because i think that's what they're gonna have to do and is that offensive line ready for that like i don't know i don't know if seven trying to get number seven for the pittsburgh organization that's what he's gonna have to do if he just wanna if he just want to get his stats up he can just go back and

say that shotgun if you want to he's already in the hall of fame in my mind my personal opinion now when you do have a offensive line who is young the best thing you can do for the offensive line is let the offensive lineman put their body weight on others and that's the running game when you ask offensive lineman to do something they usually don't do and that's to set back and get into this passing attack that ain't cool so ain't nothing but a rhythm it's a rhythm for the offense for the offensive line for big ben for nage and for their play action pass and then by the way the more time you eat it's better for the defense as well i mean it's the run get the run in the defense that was football for like 30 40 years do you think that is enough to get seven for Pittsburgh?

When you go, hey, Patrick Mahomes, all right? Patrick Mahomes got a guy who just ran against another guy who's very fast, Aaron Jones, at a camp, and he beat him by 15 yards and a 40-yard dash. He's got Travis Kelsey out there. I mean, the Kansas City Chiefs have just an impeccable lineup of Ferraris on the offensive side of the ball. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, same exact thing. Los Angeles Rams, a lot of weapons with Matthew Stafford back there.

I don't know if – and this is going to be a deeper question. Is the run the ball, stop the run? It ain't never changed. I think it has, though. I think it has. It changed for the regular season. So the recipe for the Tennessee Titans on what they do, you want their recipe for the playoffs,

not throughout the whole season, during the regular season. If you watch Patrick Mahomes and what they did in the playoffs and when they won Super Bowls, when they won a Super Bowl, man, they was running the ball. When you watch Tom Brady and what he did when he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay last year in the playoffs, he ran the ball. When you watch Tom Brady and what he did when he won the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay last year in the playoffs, he ran the ball. So when you watch these teams who have, they do real

good during the regular season when it comes down to passing. But by the end of the day, man, when it comes down to playoffs, you got to run the ball and play good defense. And that's the only way you're going to win the championship. Hey, run game travels. That's what they say. Run game travel.

The running game ain't got no limit on it. This ain't no engine. The running game ain't got no engine, man. It travels everywhere. It doesn't need a passport. When you want to run a ball, there's no need for a passport. If you can block, though. Hey, that's like Derrick Henry's Derrick Henry.

Now, Najee might be something that we have all reports that he's going to be the guy. I mean, he's going Derrick Henry's Derrick Henry. Now Najee might be something that we have known. All reports are that he's going to be the guy. I mean, he's going to be a guy. He can catch. He can run. He moves. He's powerful. I mean, but Derrick Henry also has a great offensive line there in Tennessee,

and they still have yet to be able to. You know what? I just think you have to be able to put up a lot of points, but you're right. When those games matter, it seems like the run game does become much more prevalent. We're joined by Ike Taylor, two-time Super Bowl champion, formerly of the Pittsburgh Steelers, in his house in North Carolina, his mama's house that has a room that is dedicated to her baby,

who is now a cigar entrepreneur. Mike Tannenbaum was on ESPN this morning and I think that he hasn't been on I don't know maybe he has but I haven't seen him in a bit he was he was wide open this morning on the AFC North he said that he thought Baker Mayfield too short too slow to win a championship with if Cleveland was to give him a long-term deal they'd be binding themselves with mediocrity that was his actual words and we're're seeing, you know, the Cleveland Browns play their absolute best football they've played in 25, 50, 60,

70 years. At the end of the season, they beat the Steelers in the playoffs with Baker. They get OBJ back. You said earlier that you think it's a three-horse race, obviously, in the AFC North. I don't know how everybody else views it. I see it the same way. If the Bengals build an indoor facility, maybe.

They have made some off-season moves. With Baker Mayfield and the Browns, do you think Baker's their quarterback three years from now, four years from now? What are your thoughts? Hell yeah. Me too. Hold on. Hey, I'm on this PMAC show. Y'all be quiet.

Hey! Hey, you guys can do whatever you want back there. If they're having a party, hey, I don't want to stop that. I don't want to stop the party over there at the Taylors. No. So Baker had three offensive coordinators in four years? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Freddie Kitchens is one of them, too.

You know what I'm saying? So now he has, and we saw what he did last year, now you give him a running game, he does have the best offensive line in my mind. He does have a lot of first-round draft picks on that defense. OBJ is coming back, and they're probably the deepest at the tight end position. And you got a coach who can actually coach now

that you respect and that you like. You can just tell by how they're playing as a team. Yeah, I like Baker Mayfield. What Mike is talking about, I don't know what juice he was drinking this morning, but he need to get off that juice because he should have been drinking my juice, which is beet juice, every morning.

And it clears your mind up. It makes you tell the truth. Smoke a one-of-a-kind, too. He also said Ben Roethlisberger's going to get replaced halfway through his season. He's going to get benched halfway through his season. I mean, he came out. I mean, it's almost like something happened. He's like,

I'm going to bury fucking everybody. It was fantastic to watch, but I think he's going to have to answer for a lot of this around the football community. Go ahead, Ty. One of the last times you were on here, you were talking about your son waking up every morning and working out and being committed to wanting to be great. With the new

name-image-likeness thing in the NCAA, have you thought about you know one of a kind maybe sponsoring him if you're maybe going to move into like an agent role to find him what's going on or uh you just gonna have him focus on the football man i'm just right now i'm just letting him focus on football i'll take care of that um i got a nephew, Bishop Thomas, who just signed with the Florida State Seminoles. He plays D-tackle. This is going to be his senior year. So we all into that right now. And what Bishop likes to do is he likes to skateboard.

So to see a 6'2", 301-pound guy who can do a backflip, frontflip, skateboard, and is a certified lifeguard, it's pretty damn impressive, if you know what I'm saying. Can he do a backflip, frontflip, skateboard, and is a certified lifeguard, it's pretty damn impressive, if you know what I'm saying. Can he do a kickflip? He can do a kickflip? Yeah. Tony Hawk giving him a free skateboard right now. Tony Hawk's seen him on the street. He said, do a kickflip.

He gave him a skateboard. He's 6'2", 300. You said D-tackle? D-tackle, yeah. Doing backflips and kickflips? Man, this dude. If you look at my instagram he he's jumping a vertical like with resistant bands so they are on the platform on

the vertimax and i know you know what the vertimax is so on the vertimax with the strap lined up on the ankles and they're jumping 35 inches with resistance where is is he from? From New Orleans. From New Orleans. What the fuck are you guys drinking down there? This can't. I mean. From New Orleans. How did he get into skateboarding? Is that just because that doesn't seem like something a D-tackle would just automatically fall into.

Skateboarding. The body alone. Actually, he's seeing Uncle Ike do it. And everybody else do it. You a skater? Yeah, 100%. 100%, bro. I get in my it and everybody else do it. You a skater? Yeah, 100%. 100%, bro. I get in my zone and I get to skate. Like Tony Hawk and everything? Is that right? No, Tony Hawk be 60, 70

feet up in there. I'm just going like one or two. Yeah. You're more freestyle. Yeah, you're a street skater. Street skater, yeah. That's smart. You're not kidding. Have you been in the old pipe and everything like that? I don't want to. I play it on the game.

I play the Tony Hawk. Oh, okay. So the answer is no. You have not dropped in. Respect. What do you have, Nick? Ike, for years, watched you shut down Chad on the field. Now he's stepping in the ring.

Any chance we get to see you and Sweet Feet Johnson in the ring? You and Ocho. Man, it's crazy. I got hands one of these one of these promoters just asked me he was like bro cuz Riddick Riddick Boba to do something in Miami too so he wants me to get on the undercard for Riddick Bo so I told him I think about it but yeah man I definitely got hands definitely got hands and this and this and this coming from him and he's coming from dudes in the gym like, bro, you really can fight, so why you just

don't get on the undercard? And I'm like, well, I'm just not feeling it right now. But, yo, when the football season started, my son and them, they get into their routine. If it's something I want to do, yeah, I get on that Riddick Bo undercard. I think it's in October. It's in October.

Did you just break news that Riddick Bowe's fighting in Miami in October? I think we just put it on the ticker. Congrats to Miami on the big time fight. Hopefully I can tailor it beyond the undercard. You've been boxing. Is that one of your trainings? Because I know there's some guys in the league that have been doing that for a long time. Yeah, the past six. The past six years,

bro. Honestly, seven. This is what I've really been doing. This ain't no getting undercard and saying this is this this is what i've really been doing so this ain't no um this ain't no getting an undercard and say this something i want to do like i actually be going into gyms and i'll be sparring people hey that's what you don't know about people hey you don't know that about people these people that are signing up for these things like i think jake paul legitimately has been training every day for like three years for this yeah and people

are like oh he's doing this i'm just gonna go out there there's a lot that is learned in those gyms there's a lot you gotta learn how to get punched i think that's a pretty big part of it you gotta learn not to flinch in that whole thing and if you've been doing it for seven years i mean obviously you're way ahead of everybody else that you could potentially fall into a fight with here in october i assume you beat the fuck out of somebody which would be good for the nfl but there's some people that are signing up for these fights and you have no clue what people are doing that they're not talking about by you accidentally I assume you beat the fuck out of somebody, which would be good for the NFL. But there's some people that are signing up for these fights, and you have no clue what people are doing that they're not talking about. You accidentally get caught.

This is like when you used to have a friend that knew karate, and you'd go out. You'd say, hey, I got a guy that knows karate. Yeah, I'm okay. We can be okay here. Then UFC started in karate, by the way. Bottom of the fucking barrel when it came to all that. You run into one of these jujitsu motherfuckers at the bar. You accidentally bump into them.

Before you even get a bottle to your mouth. They broke both of your arms. You have no idea what you're getting into. I like that you've been training for like seven years. You're just going to pop in there because I think that's

the way to do it. You got to respect the sport. Yeah, I agree. That's what I think people kind of disagree. And that's anything. Just what you're doing on your show.

Like what you're doing on your show, if you had somebody to do it, they couldn't last for 30 seconds. You know what I'm saying? So they ain't respecting what you're doing. your show, if you had somebody to do it, they couldn't last for 30 seconds. You know what I'm saying? So they ain't respecting what you're doing.

You know, you've been doing this for a long time and you done put a lot into it. Thank you. Same thing with anything else. Like, with boxing, man, jujitsu, karate, and even Muay Thai.

Like, I want to go to, I want to do Muay Thai for at least two months just to see, because it's like the total body combat. So that's just something I just want to get into.

Who's signing up? Hey, who's going to sign up to fight you? Who's going to sign up to fight you? Is it going to be like an influencer? Are they talking about a boxer like Ocho had? I have no idea. And really, I don't give a – I really don't care. How much do you weigh?

How much do you weigh? I don't care. What's your weight? I'm 181 right now. What are the – Is there classes? Yeah? I don't care. What's your weight? I'm 181 right now. What are the classes? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's classes. It's weight level.

So they'll probably come up with a weight. Well, both of us got a hit when it comes down to it. But really, man, I just like me over everybody. I really like. Me too. I'll fucking do it up, man. Well, I'm proud of you. I can't wait to watch it. We'd like to get on your trunks.

We want to get the Pat McAfee show on the trunks. Whenever you start doing that type of business, we would like to do that. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Ike, a pretty big conversation on the internet these past couple days is this Ed Reid versus Troy Palamalu. I won't say, like, which one do you think because it's kind of obvious but are those the two guys for like d-backs like if people are growing up those the tape that they're watching ed reed and troy palomaro safeties right yeah but it's two different styles you know what i'm saying you're

looking at two different styles of safeties you know you you got a guy who just sat back and picked everything off, who was very instinctive when it came down to being in that back free safety. Then you got a guy who was very instinctive around the line of scrimmage. You know, he made some plays when he needed to on the back end. I'm talking about Troy Palamalu, but you can't name a better safety that was that much instinctive around that line of scrimmage. So it's two different kind of styles, two different kind of safeties. I just so happen to witness both at the same time. Because Troy was talking to Jesus alongside you on the field,

and then Ed was obviously in Baltimore at the same time. You were in the AFC North for a long time. Now, I might sound football illiterate here, but free safety, strong safety, right? Those are two different positions. Is it fair at all, you think, for them to be asking if, because it's kind of like a point guard, shooting guard almost being compared, right? Isn't this kind of like, so the internet is not really having the proper debate we don't think right so you you look at so look

at a free safety as being uh a bigger cornerback that likes to hit and can cover more ground look at a strong safety as being an extra linebacker in the box who Who can fly around. Troy was in the box. He was stuffing the run, jumping over people, dropping back into coverage whenever he damn well pleased, and on field goal blocks every once in a while, going to the short side of the field for no reason at all. Oh, you know something about that, huh? Defying all football rules, okay?

For the guy who's the greatest strong safety of all time, defying all football rules and going to the short side instead of the field side on a very short field goal. Of course. Interesting. You had a front row seat for that one, right? Yeah, a little bit too close. Yeah.

Hey, listen. Hey, listen. When you saw Troy shift to the short side of the field, what was your thought? What the fuck, man? What is he doing? Because I grew up in Pittsburgh, right? So, like, I grew up in Pittsburgh. So, the Paul Amalu thing, he was at the end of his career whenever this whole thing happened.

So, I feel like I knew what this thing was. And when that hair just kind of bounced. I mean, where the fuck is he going? You see where he's supposed to be. You literally see where he is supposed to be. You literally see where he is supposed to be on the other side of the field right there. It is wide open where he is supposed to be. And then right before he's, uh, and then I had a little hair bounces over there. I mean, it was just a nightmare. It was an absolute

nightmare. And you told me probably had Jesus telling me what was going to happen he answered uh samuel brown i believe on youtube and he said that when i jogged on the field he said my aura seemed to be a little bit too much and the air was blowing a certain way and he was like uh it seems like this guy's a little bit too excited let me go ruin his life and that's what troy did for his entire career uh. But Ed Reed also a monster on special teams. You're talking about two incredible. Do they get along? They know each other well, Ed and Troy? Man, you're talking about a respect level.

Ain't nothing but respect. Even though we hated Baltimore when we played them, but when you saw greatness, you just respected it. And, you know, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Terrellwis terrell sucks all them boys it just was a respect level like man sooner or later y'all boys gonna be in the hall of fame so that's all it was like we was raised to hate them when you're a pittsburgh stiller and still do but far from a player to a player there is nothing but respect yeah when they retire you can admit that they're incredible there's a whole new generation though and i like that we kind of got to this right now

because the offensive line masterminds is happening. Tight end U just happened. Pass rusher academy happens. I think there's quarterback summits that are happening. All these positions are just coming together, the best of the best. I like it because iron sharpens iron. But back in the day, I remember when teams hated the other players. Like, I remember back whenever that was something,

and it wasn't that long ago. It seems like it's entirely different now. Would you have liked the fact that there's a lot of camaraderie between teams whenever you were back with the Steelers, or is that the team you think that Steelers teams are James and Klay? I mean, everybody that was on that team. Were you guys going to be friendly with anybody, you think, if that was how the times were?

It's just very different now. It's very, very different now. No, we didn't mind it, but it definitely wasn't going to be a fight. That's what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? It probably would have did us no justice because we probably would have fought every day. The guys who was drafted, the guys we had on the team,

the resumes that we had off the field all we wanted to do was fight because we wind up just fighting each other now we wind up shaking hands after but we still got into the locker room made a circle and fought each other so we wouldn't have got nothing done teams would have came in from elsewhere and it wouldn't have been no kind of practice no time it's a very different era now everybody gets along uh i like that you i like i like it though you you're right p mag i do i like the new era where everybody gets along it's it's different i feel like i feel like you're trying to manipulate me on being something i'm really not like for this game of football i really don't

want to be your friend at all and i want you to hate me and your whole family to hate me on what i'm about to do to you and that's why you're going to be great in october at that riddick bow fight ladies and gentlemen two-time super bowl champion colin from north carolina founder of one of a kind cigars that are medium and delicious check out with him and cigar convention in vegas this, ladies and gentlemen. Ike Taylor. We got big, big news.

Yeah. The Hammerdown boys are in studio in this Sunday at 3 p.m. 3 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time. Not Standard Time. Daylight Time. Because we are in the spring or the summer. Once we roll to fall and winter, it'll move tolight Time. Not Standard Time. Daylight Time. Because we are in the spring or the summer. Once we roll to fall and winter, it'll move to Standard Time.

But at 3 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, this Sunday, the championships of the Europes are taking place in the two teams that will be battling it out for supremacy over the continent of Europe to hopefully get a chance to play against the CONCACAF champions the United States of America. Hell yeah!

It'll be the boot. Italy taking on the motherland. Queen England on Sunday. Gumpy. Big win yesterday. Congratulations. It was a terrible game. It was a boring game. There wasn't a lot of opportunities. It was a terrible game. It was a boring game.

There wasn't a lot of opportunities. It was tough to watch. It did not end in regulation, but I'll tell you what. That laser pointer right in the eye of that goalie during that PK. So Harry Kane could bat it off his chest, bounce back, and bury one to put the Brits up 2-1 against an exhausted Dane squad, only to pass the ball around for how long? Three and a half minutes. Three and a half minutes long without exhausted Danes squad, only to pass the ball around for how long? Three and a half minutes.

Three and a half minutes long without the Danes touching it to run out the clock in beautiful four-minute offense. Let's run the ball, stay in bounds, get down. All right? That is what they were doing to kind of drain that 190-minute game yesterday that we sat through every single minute, both live and on delay in the studio as a watch along gumpy how are you feeling you're one game away from an actual championship coming back to the team in country that you have paid taxes to your entire life up there in canada

it might be coming home gump this is it this is how it has to end. It has to be Italy. Italy's had England's number forever and ever and ever. That makes sense. This is it. So you're saying when you saw that the Italian, our Superboost did hit, by the way. Yeah, there we go. Actually, two Superboosts hit yesterday, even though those never hit, I've been told. What do you mean? I just hear all the time that Superboosts never hit.

You're in bed with Fado. Oh, yeah, two Superboosts hitosts he hit yesterday. Yeah, Harry Kane. Harry Kane scoring, which he did an extra time. They almost didn't. We bitched about it live, and they noticed. I think they didn't even see it, by the way. They were like, no, we got a glitch. They fixed it. Yeah, two Superboosts hit on one particular

Wednesday. Shout out to Hammer Don getting it done. Let's go, boys! Now, Diggs. You bet against Italy the first game of this tournament. We will not forget about it, by the way. We are not a show that's just going to act like that didn't happen just for the

sake of ratings and numbers because we happen to have an Italian. A very Italian-looking Italian. An Italian with a name that is maybe more Italian than Italy itself. Anthony DiGilio is here. DiGilio. Thank you. DiGilio.

Soft G. You did bet against Italy early, which might have been the most Italian thing you've ever done because you said, ah, my heart and blood are with Italy, but I think in this particular game, we're going to start a little cold. The Italians are on your side, but you knew nothing. Have you

been a soccer guy your whole life? You're a fan? Or is this a big deal for the Italians? Nick, is this a big deal for you guys or just strictly betting-wise? Mostly betting-wise. Is this just betting? Unlike Nick, you know that I did play a lot of soccer growing up. A lot.

A lot of FIFA playing. It just all translates into it. And then there's the love for the country, which has been for years and years and years, when they have been dominating lower countries, lower class countries like England and so forth. I mean, it's just really... You got your horn on?

Right here, brother. There it is. Wow. That's a real horn. You got any horns? You got any horns? I always got the horn on. You got your horn on? Right here, brother. There it is. Wow. That's a real horn. You got any horns? You got any horns? Oh, he's got the horn on. Oh, you got chain.

You got. Is that English gold you're wearing? Nah. Because it's 24 karat Italian gold. Oh. Woo. Hey, I'm pumped for Sunday. Yeah.

What are you guys? Are we boosting something? The over or the under is what we boost, right? That's the right boost? I have a thought here. Over one and a half goals is minus 200. If we could get that to something decent,

would be the best. I'm not betting on that. But these games always end 1-0. What are the odds? Don't know. I'm not texting anybody about that. Boost the overtime. No way. This is destined for kicks. Yes, exactly.

Overtime. 1-1 in penalty kicks. Okay, so we'll say to go to overtime. Yes. For the draw. For the 90-minute draw. Hey, listen. Hey, Gumpy, listen.

You two digs because I know FIFA and you watch a lot of soccer. And you actually have a team over there you pull for and have worn their jersey before. I mean, this is not a food game. Ghostumpy yeah gumpy has loved soccer his entire life he's the greatest soccer handicapper on earth but we the people who have not watched a lot of soccer have been forced to watch a lot of soccer here we've done our own research pal let me tell you what it's fucking going to extra time that's right they're not scoring there's no way the over's hitting it's going to extra time not a chance boost it They're not scoring. There's no way the over's hitting. It's going to extra time. Not a chance. Boost it. Maybe we'll boost both of them.

Because both semifinals, it was 1-1, went to extra time, right? Well, every game actually before the semifinal as well. 0-0. 1-1. France-Switzerland was 3-3. Absolute bad. That's revisionist history. That's one game. There's been 75 fucking games.

Can we go through all the round robin games? Are we going to go through all the 0-0? The ones that are on TV? 0-1-1. 0-0. 1-1. 0-0. 0-0.

0-0. 0-0. 0-0. 0-0. 0-0. That's what it felt like it was for a long time. It's not our fault. Copa.

Yeah, you watched Copa. Copa Cup came on. Those guys are attacking. Argentina won 7-1 last time. I mean not our fault. Copa. Yeah, you watched Copa. Copa Cup came on. Those guys are attacking. Argentina won 7-1 last time. I mean, this is what we're here for. Copa's trying to steal our hearts. I want to let you know. They really are.

Right in front of Europe's faces. But you guys have a... I mean, Italy-England is... I mean, the Hammerdown show. You guys struck some gold here. It's King of the Kings. Yeah, yeah. This is good news for you guys.

I mean, it's saving for them too, especially because you guys both have horses in the race. But if you had to pick, would you rather watch Argentina-Brazil or Italy-England? Oh, okay. So with my experience of watching all these teams play, in the very recent memory here, you have to immediately get like, is Neymar playing down there? Oh, he is.

Is he like megging four people and doing Maradonas all over the place? I think. And they have an entire team, including the goalie who can slice and dice every single player on every team that's playing in the Euros? They do. Is Leo Messi the guy who got paid

$674 million to play soccer for four years? Is he playing in that game? And is there a goalie that during penalties in his last game, named Martinez, was looking at the other team in an empty stadium so we could hear everything he was saying? It did have to get translated for us to fully comprehend what he was saying. Thought he was maybe praying to the Lords. No, no.

He was just openly belittling the penalty kick takers. Now, in the Euros, you've got laser pointers from the crowd, and you've got a little bit of that. I think the Copa Cup has a lot more desirable things to watch whenever it comes to it, but it is Italy-England. I think that is what they're going to say. Interesting. Both matchups

are as good as you could have gone. Interesting enough, Brazil's three in the world, England's four in the world, and then Italy's seven, Brazil's three in the world, England's four in the world, and then Italy's seven, Argentina's eight in the world. So it's, those are pretty good matches. The soccer gods

are on our side this year. How about this? How's soccer working out? Let's go! We've celebrated a lot of things today. The NHL had a Stanley Cup. Congrats.

Yeah. Go Boach. Baseball's got the home run derby and Shohei Otani coming up. Go baseball. Let's talk about baseball because Joe Pompliano, okay? I grew up Joe Nardo. All right?

He was an Italian Joe in Pittsburgh. The weatherman, right? Bingo. Yeah. Joe, you didn't go outside unless Joe told you what to wear. All right? That's just how it was. Nothing, nothing, nothing was real unless Joe Nardo said it.

Joe said it would. Bingo. There it is. Is that the hashtag? There was no hashtag at this time. It was just Joe said it would. Oh, that's a difference. So it got ruined when that happened.

So we try to keep that away from Joe DiNardo's existence because Joe DiNardo, another Italian Joe, does not deserve what happened with another Italian Joe in Pennsylvania with a... Nebraska. Bingo, that old thing. But Joe Seddowood was like a, when you go outside and you pack the umbrella maybe or something like that, it started raining and you're standing next to your little Ian's or friend. Hey, Joe Seddowood.

Joe DiNardo was maybe the greatest meteorologist weatherman in the history. Okay? There's another Italian Joe that seems to be great on the internet that we have started to follow lately who has information that we would not normally seek, gather, or care about. But the way he pieces it together, it is beautiful. Now, he does steal some shit directly from other people and not give them credit and goes into it a little bit deeper.

But Joe Pompliano on Twitter has become a must follow if you're in the sports world for all the information he is once again i must say he is definitely ripping some other people's shit and i don't know joe personally joe we are fans of your work i think there is going to be some complaints from people if you continue to do what you're doing i think at the level that you're doing it because it is so awesome and anytime you get to that you're going, I think, at the level that you're doing it because it is so awesome. And anytime you get to that, you're going to hear some stuff. But the way he lays some things out are astounding. He's got good stats. It's almost what Ravel was or what could have been, maybe.

And maybe what Ravel was at at a level there. I don't know what he is now. He's kind of fallen out of my timeline or whatever. Joe Pompliano has kind of taken over that realm in the sports world. He had a fascinating tweet about the amount of endorsement money that is made by baseball players. This sport stinks. This sport stinks.

Nobody watches this sport. Joe Pompeo, all right? Italian Joe. Shohei Otani now leads all MLB players with an endorsement portfolio with $6 million annually. $6 million, a lot of money. endorsement portfolio with $6 million annually. $6 million. A lot of money. I am not mocking $6 million a year.

That is so much money. If you would have told me as a child that $6 million was something that I would get paid in one year, I would have been ecstatic over the moon. Would have been pumped. It is a lot of money. But when you look at these baseball endorsement numbers that Joe, pump Leone, hat tip to Justin Bernie.

Okay. Okay. There we go. Okay. So, hey, Joe. I take back everything I said,

Joe. I take back everything I said. There's a couple of fighting announcements, you know, he'll want to potentially had, and then it was re, so I had to stick up for a guy. I don't really like in Hawaii because I don't want Joe,

our guy getting taken down, which will happen on the internet, by the way. Joe, you're doing great work, but let's keep it going. Compared to other leagues, professional leagues, I mean, fuck. Web Apps America isn't even a real company, we don't think. Never

heard of it. They just paid a Tennessee State basketball player $2 million in one year. Masterpiece kid. He's obviously a stud but six million dollars being the top of the endorsement portfolio of the mlb which is what joe pompliano joe is saying it is i just bryce harper isn't he like underarmour's main guy yeah i feel like i saw the hair flip with uh underarmour i have not seen him play baseball since the home run derby in philly, I think, or Washington when he won it. Whatever it was, he was elect. Chris Bryant, doesn't he have a deal also, I think, with, I forget who it is, somebody.

Mike Trout, this is the best player of all time in everybody's eyes. $3 million, though, he's making endorsement-wise. Cody Bellinger, 2.5. Now, I know the MLB pays a lot of money. These guys make more money than any of the other leagues. So let's not, well, I guess not at this point because what Patrick Mahomes is starting to get signed and what guys are starting to sign in the NFL and the NBA, how much they make, you get it. But the MLB pays ridiculous amounts of money to their players. Yeah.

A hundred and whatever games are on the road all year round. Six million dollars doesn't seem like a lot whenever you start comparing to other leagues with hundreds of millions and even billion dollar deals for some of their athletes, this is even more so to the point baseball fucking stinks. Is that what everybody's saying? They don't move the needle? They don't move any product? And is that accurate, you think? I don't know.

I was shocked and didn't really understand this because, like you said about Harper, I mean, like his contract is for like $330 million. But I'd have a tough – I mean, he wears Under wears under armor batting gloves cleats like the the sleeves headbands like i don't think you're selling yourself out like that if he's only making what two million dollars from it because there's obviously other endorsements like otani is arguably in sports right now he might be like the hottest international you know what i mean like what he would get from companies in j, especially, and here now. Harry Kane. Harry Kane. Harry Kane, probably pretty.

Shohei's in there, though. Yeah. Harry Kane, probably right now. Glory. He might be coming home, huh? Harry. Messi, probably. Messi, always. Ronaldo.

Cristiano Ronaldo. Shohei Ohtani, though, that name is household at this point. Do people care about baseball in europe no in japan and in asia they really do though yeah but that's what i'm saying i don't i don't is it is baseball a world thing is that why the endorsement i think they probably play more cricket they did go to london though like yankees red sox went to london central america too trying to grow it crushes yeah central america and America. We have Jet Passing joining us in like 9-8 minutes. We're trying to call him early to see

if he'll answer. I'm not 100% sure if he's ready or not because we are talking. Yeah, tell him to take his time. He's not supposed to be on until 1.25, but since we're in this call, I literally just gave an audible to Zito to call the Jet. He answers here. This is awesome. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, MLB

Insider at ESPN. Guy who has written books. I think The Arm or something like that. Incredible author. Every is awesome. Hey, joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, MLB Insider at ESPN. Guy who has written books, I think The Arm or something like that. Incredible author. Every time he comes on, he makes baseball interesting somehow and gives us all the information we need to know. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff Bastien. Jeff, before we appreciate you, Slam Diego shirt.

The people in San Diego are going to absolutely love that Fernando Titi's. He's really changing baseball. Now, before we get to everything that is happening in the baseball world, I want to wrap up this conversation about Joe Pompliano's tweet here. Shohei Ohtani's $6 million annual endorsement amount is the highest in the endorsement portfolio in the MLB. There's no way this is accurate.

He got this from at just Bernie, Joe Pompeo. Is this real? And does this make you realize that baseball stinks? Six million dollars is a lot of money, but compared to other sports, this is nowhere near, right? Why is that, Jet? And is this accurate? I don't think so.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I've seen plenty of numbers out there when it comes to what Major League Baseball players are making. And I think they just do a good job of hiding things. So, no, I don't see that as being right. But still, like the fact that it's not, you know, 20, 30, 40. I understand they don't have sneakers. I understand that it's not the NFL.

It's got to be bigger than that, though. Yeah, I think so, too, especially with Shohei's name. Now, he'll probably continue to rake in money. He just got to that. He's a relatively new person. Bryce Harper, Under Armour, I think, had a hell of a run. They have to be – this is allegedly from Forbes, I just learned. So just burn –

Yeah, the fact that Tatis is not on that list makes me think that that list is just wrong. Okay, so put it on the ticker. Jet Passing says Forbes magazine's endorsement list is absolute foo-gays. Don't listen to it. And Jet, every time we get, we can't thank you enough for joining us, by the way. Thank you, Jet.

Baseball's got a massive week coming up. Home Run Derby on Monday. Shohei's in that thing. It's going to be in Denver. The passing mobile is going to be in Denver covering that. Are we excited? What's baseball got going on right now? All roads lead to the all-star game here.

Is that what we're pushing? That's what we're promoting right now? Hold on. We need to know. Is there going to be a Pat McAfee appearance at the derby? Okay. Well, I mean, we're fighting. Storm.

Hey, this storm. Yeah, it's real. If it clears out, I'll be out there. You know, because Denver, too, every time you land in Denver coming into those Rockies, it's a rocky land. It is. And with this storm, you know,

you need to watch yourself with this storm we got on. I think so, maybe. Maybe there might be a chance, yeah. It's got to happen, Pat. It's got to happen. It's going to be electrifying. Baseball needs you. No, no.

Baseball needs you, Pat McAfee. They need the electricity. They need the hype. They need the swing. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Are you going? You're still going? They didn't cut you from the broadcast? I got the draft on Sunday. We got the derby on Monday. We got the All-Star Game on Tuesday.

It's a big weekend. Here we go. It's a lot. All right, what are some names we should look at? Aside from Shohei, he's going to win the Home Run Derby, obviously, and everything like that going into the All-Star Game. Does this All-Star Game still matter for the World Series for who gets home? Didn't that happen at one point?

Or is this just a showcase of the best players? It should be a showcase of the best players. Unfortunately, the best players aren't all going to be there. Like Jacob deGrom's having an incredible season, would have started for the National League, pulled out of the All-Star game. Carlos Correa, Jose Altuve, dynamic up the middle combo for the Houston Astros,

pulled out of the All-Star game. What's going on? So it's a long season. little combo for the Houston Astros pulled out of the all-star game. So, uh, it's a long season. Uh, they don't get paid any, uh, anything substantive extra to be there.

And if you're doing something like abiding by the COVID protocols that baseball has, when the rest of the country is wide open right now, and you can get four days off, four days to rest your body, four days to spend with four days off four days to rest your body four days to spend with your family four days to clear your mind i think guys are going to take advantage of that but there's some guys there's one guy out there i'm not going to name him but there's one guy out there i know about uh who is a fairly perennial all-star who loves nothing more than

going to all-star weekend and getting completely shit face. He loves the all-star game because it allows him to go and drink excessively without a game the next day. And he, he is looking forward to the all-star game this year in order to do that. Well, that's what the pro bowl kind of became as well. So the pro bowl, I've been voted a couple of times,

obviously. Yeah. You know, I only want, come on boys. Yeah! A couple times I was screwed, to be honest. But, I mean, there was a couple times I didn't get voted.

But you can't really, you can't put over that honor. Because if you do, then when you don't get voted in, you have to take home. So I don't ride the ebbs and flows of all those awards. I just kind of keep it steady. As long as my peers appreciate what I'm doing, I'm good. But going to the Pro Bowl that first time, after hearing like Tom Brady opts out, a lot of big-time players opt out of the Pro Bowl,

and I'm always like, why are they doing this? The first one I went to was the first one that wasn't in Hawaii. Okay, awesome. It was in Phoenix, Arizona. Practice was an hour and a half in there. They had all this stuff going on. It was such a to-do. It was very cool. It was very very very cool for me to be there but i realized why some people were

voted every year potentially don't want to go back every year and then there's some people that get voted every single year and they're only there for the bar after everything to kind of catch up with everybody it's a really their only time it's a hell hell of a party for the greats of the greats. The Home Run Derby, though, is going to steal the show, right? Every single year, I don't think anybody even knows that the All-Star Game's happening. That Home Run Derby's going to be everything. And is Shohei going to hit 100 bombs in one night?

Is that going to happen? Here's the thing. In a normal year, I actually agree with you. The Derby is like the highlight, the moment that everyone looks at. This year, though, Shohei Otani is going to be pitching and hitting in the actual All-Star game after he's competed

in the Home Run Derby. So there's a chance, Pat, that within a 24-hour span, we could see Shohei Otani win the Home Run Derby, start the All-Star game as pitcher, and lead off for the American League. Now, I'm not sure if Kevin Cash, the manager, is going to put him in that starting spot, but if you really look at it, if you want to get Otani into the game as easily as possible,

you start him. It's not like the best pitchers are starting every year. It's not like the best players at the positions are. No, it's the guys who get voted in by the fans. And if the fans had a vote right now, who do you think they would start for the American League on the mound? Shohei Ohtani. Shohei Ohtani. Shohei Ohtani.

Shohei Ohtani. Before Ty gets a real baseball question in or two, and there's a couple others that have it around the room that I don't really, who gives a, Shohei, at the beginning, you're the one who's supposed to tell me what I'm supposed to like and ask anyway, so I'm actually pretty pumped for the questions to kind of get a chance to listen to the Jets speak.

But Shohei Ohtani has already, he already has the most home runs, right, for a Japanese player in the MLB in one season. He already has that before the All-Star break has even happened yet. He's potentially going to hit, what, 65, 70 homers this year, and at the beginning of this... That's a little high.

It's hard to keep up this pace for a season, man. I understand what you guys have been saying since the beginning of the year with this guy. You, Ty, all my baseball people, I'm ready to get I'm ready to go. Hey, I got a guy who's the greatest baseball player of all time right here

in Shohei. I can speak three words in his language. We could potentially have a conversation here. Then I get Ty going, this ain't going to last. I get you going, no, this ain't going to happen. I said, has anybody done this before? You got to say Babe Ruth. And I'm like, fucking, we got the next Babe Ruth? How come we aren't celebrating happen. I said, has anybody done this before? You got to say Babe Ruth. And I'm like, fucking, we got the next Babe Ruth?

Let's go. How come we aren't celebrating? And everybody said, there's no way it lasts. There's no way this lasts. There's no way this lasts. Now you're saying, at the Home Run Derby, though, he's hitting, what, 40 home runs, probably 45 home runs on Monday. Then he's pitching and hitting.

Are the Angels just pissed? Because everybody's talking about him not being able to last. And then here we have, what, he has a full home run derby maximum effort pitch and hit in one game. That doesn't matter for the Angels. Is this do you think he's just Superman? Is he potentially just an anomaly that he potentially could just go on? Like I've been saying since the beginning, or is there is there an inevitable potential body crash that has to happen? OK, so we've been talking like i

appreciate you've done here because when you talk baseball pet you've talked about otani we've done this all year long we've talked about how good he is we've comped him to other guys um i you know the babe ruth comp is an understandable one and it's a fair one. But I want to throw another one out there. Because I feel like what Shohei Otani doing right now is about as close as you can get to being a two-sport athlete. Think about the things that he's doing at this point. Hitting and pitching are completely different sports. They happen to be in the same game.

They happen to go up against one another. They happen to be in contrast. But the actual ability to go out there and do that, to throw a baseball using your shoulder, your elbow, the rest of your body to propel something forward, the ability to swing, to hit it, a moving object that's either moving straight and fast or curving or fading, That's either moving straight and fast or curving or fading, all sorts of it. They're two completely different skill sets. So to me, this isn't even Babe Ruth who didn't do it at the level Otani is doing it right now.

This is Bo Jackson. Okay. This is a guy who is essentially dominating two different sports. It just happens to be in the same one jack i like the promo you just cut for baseball as a whole you did there i think a lot of people would say this is somebody who plays uh both ways probably in football or plays two different no different different than that it's oh tackling is different than running and touching wearing the same uniform i mean It might be the same game. And wearing the same uniform.

I mean, we could do the same thing you just did right there with tackling on defense and playing on the offensive side of the ball. But once again, in my head, I couldn't just rattle through to find somebody that was at peak on both sides for us. That's because there's nobody like – I mean, we're talking like Chuck Bednarik. And he played like guard and linebacker. These aren't skilled positions. Hey, that's a good football pool by you.

Go ahead, Tom. Jed, I think I, I don't know if it was an ESPN article, but I read that there's a good chance the Yankees are going to be sellers at the All-Star break now. And I, like, do you see that actually happening? Are they going to be aggressive or do they actually fucking stink this year? And is Garrett Cole ever going to be good again now that he can't use Spider-Tac anymore? Let's start with the latter one.

I think Garrett Cole is going to be fine, honestly. Hey, I heard he stinks. For the Red Sox. I heard he stinks because he doesn't have the da Spider-Tag! Second part. Ty, let me turn this on you. Who did the Yankees have to sell? That's a good point. Good question.

Stella rolled this chat, man, if he didn't suck for the last two weeks. You could sell Aaron Judge, but that would call Yankees fans to go crazy. I mean, there's just not a whole lot going right now. Are you shoveling dirt on the grave, Pat? Yeah, I mean, right now you're fucking burying the Yankees entirely. They're still going to make the playoffs. I'm not burying anyone the yankees have buried themselves by playing 500 baseball for the first half of the season with a 200 million dollar payroll in a

team that was supposed to go to the world series cashman gotta go god damn it they buried themselves by being the worst base running team in baseball arguably they buried themselves by being a one-dimensional offense and a starting pitching staff that has one and a half guys, the other half of whom is on the injured list right now. If you want to talk about burial, the Yankees have dug their own graves.

I'm just dancing on it. Wow. Alright, Jet! Let's go, dude! We'll fire the baseball. Home Run Derby's coming up. The draft's coming up. What is that, 700 rounds?

You guys draft everybody that plays baseball and high school baseball right across the country, and the draft is an MLB? It's like 20 rounds this year. So, you know, they halved it. It's going to be back to 40 next year, I think. That's crazy because we had – I knew some people that got drafted to the MLB. Pat White was our quarterback. I think he got drafted three or four times.

Like, while he was in college. And he was good, too. Like, he could play. Yeah, he got drafted four times. Or three times, I think. They were betting that he wasn't going to make it in the NFL, so they were trying to draft his rights. They didn't know when he was going to want to do it.

But towards the end there, I think he got drafted in like the 30th round. I'm like, that's bullshit that this team can pull the trigger on Pat White in the 70th round and get his rights or whatever. But that's how baseball is, right? Because it's a lot of projecting, and there's a lot of people that opt out and go do college and do other stuff. Is that why? They have to just cast a very wide net?

Why is the draft so damn big? It's weird. It's weird because it's weird especially now. It used to be that you could spend however much money you wanted on the draft. But these days, there's a limited pool of money that you're capable of spending on the draft. So guys, especially high school guys who don't go high in the draft they're going to slip down and teams can pick them hoping that they can spend enough money to get them out of their college commitment but the reality is very few high school guys are going to make as much as they could coming out of high school

as they can if they go and have a good college career and you go and get an education and you'll get to party for a few years like going to college unless you are like here's the thing if you're a pitcher you should be much likelier to sign with an organization out of high school so you don't waste the arm exactly because college coaches are incentivized to win games in order to keep their jobs. How do you win games? You win games by relying on your best pitchers. And how much are you going to rely on your best pitchers? How much are you going to look out for them? That's been a question that's been around forever and something that there are a few

college coaches out there who do it right now, but there are a few who don't. Hey, there's some environments down there in the SEC, though, that I just got introduced to, I think. Oh, it's awesome. Oh, that college baseball down there is incredible. Arkansas. Mississippi State, I think. Arkansas, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Florida.

Like, SEC is where it's at. Yeah, it was awesome. I did not know it was that electrifying. LSU. Which one was the walk-off? The Arkansas one was the walk- not know it was that electrifying i think lsu which one was the the arkansas walk off that was the sound right that was the first sound post-covid i think that was like the there was a big pop and that was the first madison square garden had it had its run there with the new york knicks but then i think arkansas had that walk-off home run in that pop

that came from that crowd was one of the first ones. It's good to have fans back. Bingo. And then I put that out. I was like, oh, my God, that sound of like that pop is incredible. And then people started sending me videos from like, I think, Mississippi State, like everywhere around. And it was like, holy shit.

I did not know college baseball was like that. But what I used to do at the Pirates games, these college kids probably do at these games, you just go get absolutely hammered. And for these schools, I assume they expect to win. For us, the Pirates are going to lose. If they win, we're going to have a good time. If not, we're just going to, you know, probably have Zambelli fireworks at the end.

And Nick actually has a question for you about that, I think. Jet, speaking of the draft and the Pirates and that crook Bob Nutting, they have the first pick, I believe. Who are they going to pick? It doesn't matter at all. We're trading out, aren't we? He's going to trade out for sure. If they could, they probably would,

but you can't trade draft picks in baseball. This guy can't fuck over the Pirates. Let's go! Here we go, new year! Who do we got? Is there a big-time prospect coming out? Is there a guy that's a game-changer? Somebody that's maybe going to play this year?

You know, is there... Do we have anything like that? This might be the worst year to have the number one overall pick. Of course. They're like... Of course. Because they're like five guys. Now, Pat, here's the thing.

This is interesting. And this is where strategy comes in. This is what the Pirates can do. When you have five guys, you know, there's a high school shortstop marcello meyer uh high school shortstop jordan lawler jack lighter and kumar rocker were a couple of rocker in the city al lighters kid give me him yep al lighters kid and uh a catcher named henry davis those are the presumable potential davis would be a great he's a catcher he's the. Those are the presumable potential five top guys. Hank Davis would be a great player. He's a catcher, you said?

He's the next Joe Marr. Hey, no. Next Jason Kittle. Hey, that pop time. Are you kidding me, dude? Is that what we're getting? Who do you think? What's the strategy?

What is the strategy? The strategy is going to be, this would be, I promise this is not a Pirates only thing. It sounds like something the Pirates would do. The strategy is going to be to find who's going to take the least money and sign as the number one pick because that. Yeah, they're going to do that. Because then – because you can go and take that money that you saved

from that first guy and then buy a high school player who might go to college out of his commitment later in the draft, meaning you get two for one. Yeah, or you could take that money and build another ski lift. They actually are doing that. Yeah, upgrading the Seven Springs Resort that they have up there in the mountains of Pennsylvania. I assume you can't say, because you are like one of the faces of baseball at this point in the MLB, and when you get under your suit

and you do your whole little baseball thing, it's like real big journalism. And your documentaries have been incredible. Like you're a very thoughtful, like very good journalist. So you can't say it. Is there more than one Bob Nutting in the MLB that's trying to ruin their team, sabotage it in front of everybody's eyes? Is he the only one?

And how does the rest of the MLB let it happen? No. There are a number of owners out there whose teams have been terrible for a long time. I mean, we're going to be in Denver this weekend, and Dick Montford is the owner there, and he's a guy who for years has been criticized for the way that he has run his team. And for the way that if you look at the front office right now, you have a bunch of guys who have quit. Their entire analytics department quit last year. Dick Monfort, you know, he's like the head of the labor committee in baseball right now going into this year where there's a collective bargaining agreement coming up. And last year he was advocating essentially getting rid of the draft.

Like he just didn't want to draft them last year. He wanted it to be as small as possible. So, uh, it, Rocky's fans feel the same way about him as you guys do about Bob Nutting. And, and their owners,

listen, when you got 30 guys who were billionaires and who were trying to make money and who don't look at the little guy, look at the average fan as the most important thing, you're going to have some in there who just become the villains of teams. And I think that's what Bob Nutting is. But let's look beforehand. He's playing the role perfectly. Was Kevin McClatchy a whole lot better?

Nah. I don't know. Isatchy a whole lot better? Nah. I don't know. Is that the previous owner of Before Bob? Yeah. No, that's why I was never a – I think Pittsburgh ever – I mean, what was his name? Andrew McCutcheon was there. Hey, what was that, 2017, 16, 15?

You mean when Queda pissed his pants on a man? Yeah. Yeah. But Pittsburgh is ready. Like, Pittsburgh would be a great baseball city how much is it to buy like a franchise and when was the last time a franchise was sold in the mlb is that i guess what the mets just happened to cohen yeah how much the mets are a vastly differently priced team than the pittsburgh i'll tell you a perfect example

the kansas city royals they're probably the best analog for the Pirates that there is. And they were sold last year for about a billion dollars. Patrick Mahomes is part of that ownership group. He got in there. He's got the jersey. Go Royals. Hey, listen. I know another Patrick who signed a pretty big contract recently who would look awfully good as a Pittsburgh Pirates owner.

Yeah. By the way, that would be legendary. Imagine the content we would be creating. Yeah, by the way, that would be legendary. Imagine the content we would be creating. Oh, my gosh. On the road with the boys, 182. As long as you keep

the pierogi races, we're good. Hey, pierogis will be racing around town. Sauerkraut Saul is going to be sprinting through that outfield

like freeze dick, you know, for a long time down there. That would be a lot, a billion dollars, though. That seems like a good price you know, for a long time down there. That would be a lot of a billion dollars though. That seems like a good price to get into being a major league owner. Is it a moneymaking business? Is the MLB a moneymaking business for everybody?

Is that kind of how the contract is set up amongst the owners that everybody has to make money regardless of how shitty you are as a marketer, endorser, team builder? Let's put it this way. The Pittsburgh pirates right, in shared money, start the year off about $100 million in the black. Like starting from scratch because of the size of their market and because of the money that gets spread out

both through the national television contract and revenue sharing. If you're the Pirates, you're starting with a $100 million check right there. And granted if you're the pirates you're starting with a hundred million dollar check right there and granted you're going to spend money on payroll and infrastructure and minor leagues and stadium upgrades and things along those lines but pat i'm going to answer your question with the question if baseball teams didn't make money wouldn't they be sold more often yeah but this is just like, that's a great question. And it is a, in theory, good thought. But there's a lot of people that own stuff that just want to have the flex that they own. Yeah. And there's that's that's part of it, too. But you know what, what's another huge part of it? And there was a big story

about this today. Owning a professional sports franchise is incredibly advantageous with taxes you can write off everything you can write off player salaries as amortization which means player salaries uh you know it's not the whole thing you can write off but uh the fact that you're spending money on a guy and that he's seen as a depreciating asset. Like you can write that off. And the people who own sports franchises don't pay nearly as much in taxes as you or I or the average person out there because of it. We could get into an entire discussion about that because believe me, whenever you get launched into the 1% all of a sudden and you start realizing and learning and like, holy

shit out of nowhere i didn't know and then you start hearing people attacking like you're not paying your fair share i'm like motherfucker come look at mine who who i would like to know who isn't and how they're not it's because all those it's like the point oh oh oh oh that are up there that have the ability to buy teams they have a fleet of accountants and lawyers that kind of find every loophole and probably potential piece of blackmail and everything that happens in that world. It's

crazy. So I'd need about probably a $2 billion amount of funds if I really wanted to have a couple years stretch and on the Pirates. No, I don't think it'll be that much. I think you can uh listen all you gotta bring in here's the thing all you gotta do is find a rich person

no venture capital cash your way no no it's not just a rich person listen jet the conversations i've been having okay i have been i've been in conversations there is there is people and i'm just learning this and this i assume this is common knowledge and i'm just living in my own little ignorant bubble there are places that have trillions of dollars to spend of other people's money and they just dump them into companies like 10 million at a pop 15 100 million at a pop to people and it's if it doesn't work fuck it if it hits oh here we go we just made another billion dollars or whatever and they just there are people that are doing i did not know this i didn't know sovereign wealth fund oh you gotta go you gotta

go find your sovereign wealth fund i believe it's going on a ticker right there behind you the fan duel pirates the pittsburgh fan duels oh. Hey, Fan Duel does have that amount of cash. A little bit less after yesterday's Super Boost. Hey, Grumpaw here has been hot in the soccer. I don't know if you know that. Hey, Gump, you got anything to say to Jet here before we get out of here? Yeah, Jet, who do you think the Red Sox are going to pick up at the trade deadline, starter or out of the bullpen?

It feels like they need another arm or two. That's a pretty good thought there, Gunther. Listen, I would love, if I'm the Red Sox, to go out and get Jose Barrios. He's going to be the best pitcher on the market, and he's got a chance to be an impact guy. How would you like to see Craig Kimbrell back there? You like Craig Kimbrell?

I love Craig Kimbrell. Hey, come on. Bring back the Kimbrell. Bring Keith Folk back. Forget Kimbrell. Get Folk back out here. Keith Folk is like 300 pounds right now. He's probably throwing gas.

We got to get to him, bro. He probably is throwing gas. He probably hits the ball quarter mile after watching what Shohei's been able to do. I might pursue this thing because I wanted to get an NFL team, bro. He probably is throwing gas. He probably hits the ball quarter-mile after watching what Shohei's been able to do. I might pursue this thing because I wanted to get an NFL team, obviously. And that's a lot more you have to pitch in there. And I don't know if they would necessarily let me in. And the MLB didn't let

Cuban in, right? Back in time. So, who knows if they would let me get in there. You're in. They need you. Us running a show, a show owning a team with a bunch of fun now listen I'm bringing Jason Kendall

right back in you have to hey you need to be a manager of what hitting coach everything you just manage we're bringing Sean Casey

in there as well yes get the mayor back in there and we're going to get people that are much more probably Jet Passon is going to be running the god damn

who's the people that puts the roster bring Barry back to Pittsburgh first yeah as the hitting coach okay alright get Barry Bonds back to Pittsburgh first. Yeah. That's the hidden cause. Okay, all right. Get Barry Bonds back for sure.

Nutritionist. I don't know about the nutrition. I am out on that, actually. And there's probably some rules that you... You're not the nutritionist. We're not doing a nutritionist here. Our boys can eat whatever the fuck they want. Including HGH.

Hey, you eat... Hey, you eat baseballs? Hell yeah. Okay, I don't care what you do. Listen, blind eye here. Get me the greenies. Yeah,'t care what you do get me the greenies yeah whatever you need to do hey greenies you call Balco

you do whatever you gotta do as long as we're hitting balls into the goddamn river out here that's all we care about and then Zambelli fireworks every night and wait until

Brett Michaels is performing oh here we go pirates here we go Chad thank you so much man

you're the absolute best, dude We appreciate you every time you stop on Good luck at the All-Star Game and the draft We can't wait to watch your coverage See you there, Pat The storm's a raid I was checking the Doppler Doppler was saying

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use promo code pat get 15 off your first order of made in cookware and kitchenware products that have a lifetime guarantee and make your world a lot easier around the kitchen hey it is getting wild in here with conversations in the thoughts and possibilities but this last hour should be a good one welcome back here serious xm channel youtube mad dog sports youtube.com forward slash the pat mcafee show uh we're kind of been captivated with the conversation of me potentially buying the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah. Because I have been in some conversations as of late, I think, with groups of people

that could potentially loan that amount of money. And we've been trying to figure out how do we navigate and make this a success story. I think what we would have to do is get the loan, buy the team, win a World Series, sell the team. Now we pay back the loan, also probably become billionaires in ourselves by selling the team. And we're only selling it to somebody who obviously has the Pirates

best interest at heart, and the people of Pittsburgh. Mark Cuban, whenever his kids are old enough for him to do it. So that's how we got to do it. Can't wait. Alright, cool. Alright, that's a plan. to do it. Can't wait. Can't wait. All right, cool. All right, that's the plan. I can't believe the Pirates won the World Series.

I got to get a suit, by the way. Start getting the rings size. No, I got to get a suit, by the way. We need a good pitch deck because I'm going to be asking for a few billion, and I don't know how easy that's going to be, but we can make it work. I'll put a tie on for that one. You got the Vince McMahon suit. That has never aired.

First slide of that presentation. Shohei Otani. Boom. Bring this guy in right here. Hey, guess who's our ace? And do we have DHs in the? No. Lead off hitter, though.

We're going to have to change that rule. Where are we in? We're in the? National League. Which is the teams at the top of the National League are definitely the? Dodgers. Yeah, Dodgers. The Giants.

Padres. Giants are 54-32. Yeah, so we're okay. We're all right. Those teams ain't nothing. They ain't nothing to the Pittsburgh Pirates. Hey, let's go, Buccos! Come on, Buccos!

Let's go, Buccos! Come on, Buccos! Cardinals are pretty tough, too. They're in the same division. Oh, St. Louis? We ain't worried about that. Copies. Yeah, but we're going to take all their best players because we're going to get a lot big enough. And that was actually one of the last few. We're going to get a lot big ain't worried about that. Yeah, but we're going to take all the best players.

And that was actually one of the last few. We're going to get a loan big enough to buy them all. That's what we're going to do. That's baseball. Bring Theo. Be the GM. Jason Kendall is going to be around. So we obviously know that any catcher we put behind home play is going to have a great pop time.

Best pop time, I believe. Best pop time. We're bringing back the mayor, Sean Casey. We can get you. You. Euclid, involved there. I mean, it feels like we're assembling a World Series champion already. Yeah, and you're getting Hank Davis with the number one pick this year.

So you're bringing Kendall to mentor him? Are you kidding me? Yeah. The thing about it is I'm not doing this draft. I don't know if we're going to be able to get the love by Sunday. It's going to be tough to scramble and get $2 billion by Sunday. But, hey, you never know. We're going to give it a go.

Who says no? This has generated some traffic, I guess, back there in Pittsburgh, which is an incredible honor when Mikey, Big Bob, the freak show, the morning show that I basically grew up on, their radio show in Pittsburgh on Kiss FM, 96.1. They are people I've looked up to for a long time. And now I think we have befriended. I think we're friends.

I think we're friends with them. Don't hang around them enough because they're in Pittsburgh doing their show full time. We're out here learning a lot. Seems like they're all in on this entire thing. They're going to start pushing that. Here we go. What if the pressure of Pittsburgh mounts so much that I actually have to do this. What if I have to be the dumbass yinzer that is capable of walking into a room that could potentially have this amount of money,

do the sell job of all sell jobs. Like I'm down there on South side, surrounded by three dudes in affliction shirts at 3am about to get my jaw knocked off. And I'm actually talking my way out of it. That's what I got to do. I got to go into this tank and do it. I've been trained on Carson Street. I've been trained on the North Shore. I've been everywhere I need to be. I've donated that Rivers Casino down there at the point more than anybody else, I'd assume, in the history of people

that visited Pittsburgh. It's almost something I've got to do at this point. We have to buy the Pittsburgh Pirates. Can you imagine Mark Madden as the manager? Coaching the team? I think he is the stadium MC. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, but he's been turned babyface before then. On his show, he's healed. Okay? He's been a healer for 25 years. Sure. It seems like now more than ever he is going full heal. Everything. He buried Joey Chestnut the other day.

I was going to say, when you were on. He's been burying everything. And I asked him, okay, the other day. I was going to say, when you were on. He's been burying everything. And I asked him, okay, Mark, when are we just going to say, you know what? I'm probably going to be in a couple Hall of Fames

in the radio business and everything. 25 years I've led ratings in Pittsburgh. When do we just become like, hey, you know what? I accomplished shit good for me. He said he can't do it.

He said he's going to be the bad guy forever. He turns baby face though. We put him as the emcee of the entire PNC park. Okay. Oh yeah. I think he's going to be the bad guy forever. He turns babyface, though. We put him as the MC of the entire PNC park. I think he's, ah, this pitcher stinks. My head's spinning with ideas right now,

and I think one of the things you have to do is you have to make it right. Barry Bonds night at the park. Bring back Barry. Barry Bonds night, bobblehead night. Wait till you see this bobblehead that we're going to do for Barry Bonds. That head's going to be about the size of this Starbucks cup. Normally cup normally you know that's just a little bobble head right there barry bond's bobble head night that head is gonna be real big because we deserve to you know

if we're gonna own the pirates to make it right with our ex-legends yeah we'll give you a bigger bobble head than anybody's ever had in the history barry your head will be the biggest in the history of bobble heads if we own the Pirates. And that's just the beginning. First order of business, you hire him and aid guy's son to run concessions, obviously. Excuse me. It's not...

I didn't want to disrespect it. I was going to let you... No, no. You're the one that brought this up. And if you just spit on this guy's grave... You're talking about getting this son a job. No, no. You're the one that brought this up. And if you just spit on this guy's grave. I'm not talking about business. This is on a job. No, no.

No. No. You said, oh, him in need, guy. Him in need. That is what you have to do. It is not him in need. From the gut. I don't know what you're doing.

But yeah, you're right. He's running concession. Somebody in that family. That's a good idea. Zambellis are obviously, they got bombs in the outfield every single game. When the ball leaves the park, those things are going up. Let's go ahead and celebrate this thing. Brett Michaels probably every third

game from the outfield live. I mean, we really got to do it. Why not? If you make the Berg like Barry again, that miracle work. Biggest bobblehead of all time. I think it'll work. I don't know a

goddamn thing about that sport, though. That's why it'll work. You just surround yourself with people who do. That's right. Well, I mean, to be fair, I've been saying show is the show since the beginning of the show started this year, and the people that are around us that do know baseball are kind of

telling me differently. So, I mean, i will seek advice of course but i mean if we own a team it's going to be hard not to be absolutely absurd with that thing who's a free agent how much go get him now bring him in 400 million i guess jesus who is this guy he's is he gonna sell one ticket for i guess he hits the ball for all right come on in. I'm also hiring Brad Pitt, too. Nice! Oh, perfect! And Jonah Hill. Yeah, Jonah's the one you want. Bring them both in. Yeah, yeah, I think so. That's a good idea. Build a pirate ship in center field. I don't know how we're going to continue

to do this show. I guess we... Let's not get too... The view out of... It's gorgeous. You want to put up a goddamn pirate ship. I mean, there's enough flags around. There's enough pirate stuff, okay? Could you imagine Bret Michaels? We own the greatest hat if we... By far.

I mean, the P is the... It's a good hat. It's a good hat. I mean, it's a great hat. That's all of a sudden ours, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. The amount of merch that we're going to be kicking out with that goddamn P.

That goddamn P is going out everywhere. Oh, the beer specials we're going to be kicking out with that goddamn pee. That goddamn pee is going out everywhere. Oh, the beer specials we're going to have around the park. You're going to sell Rudy's subs. I want Kurt Angle, Suplex, and Sauerkraut Salt. No! Sauerkraut Salt gets a win, I thought,

because of because of the salt. The better call salt. No, the 18-year-old the Because of The The 18 year old The You know who I'm talking about The 18 year old Whoa Foxy

I heard that Hasbulla Hasbulla Hasbulla Hasbulla Hasbulla Hasbulla Hasbulla! Hasbulla! Hasbulla! Hasbulla! Hasbulla!

Get Hasbulla in the building. Hasbulla will be in the outfield. Mr. Pirate. Perched behind, not Mr. Pirate. No, we're not putting a mascot on Hasbulla. Why don't we make Hasbulla the guy? He will be. Listen, he's going to be. In a park? When these pierogies are racing, okay,

when these pierogies are racing and okay, when these pierogies are racing and somebody's about to win and we don't like, Sirecrow, Saul is about to lose or whatever, Hasbulla, out of the door, boom, pow to whatever pierogie, pow to whatever asshole from the other team is there, boom, Sirecrow, Saul sneaks through, wins the race. Hasbulla, hero hero shows that knockout power that he has it's gonna be hard i think to keep him in that one confined space true that's yeah

because he is a he's ready to go at all times but i think that's the type of stuff that we got to start you've seen those baby carriers there's going to be no clean finishes in these progress we are booking that thing in Pittsburgh. That's the whole point. The obvious manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates is Billy Gardell. And then you put a baby carrier on him with Hasbulla

in the baby carrier. So you do keep him contained. I think you give Hasbulla a goddamn club and put him at second base. Hashbullah should be the third base coach Hashbullah is like Jackie Mood He can coach, he can play

He can hit, he can do it all He's Shohei Hashbullah Alright, so now we're thinking So now we got our brains going, that is what I'm willing to do I just want to let everybody know, I am willing to bring in Hasbulla. I just learned of Hasbulla two days ago. I am ready to bring Hasbulla into our everyday game day operations if I have to.

And I think that is really what we need. Hasbulla. There is no way we get okayed for this, but if we show up with a bag with a couple billion in it, is there anything they can say? There's nothing, right? Once man forgets a hold of Hasbulla, he might give you the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah, maybe. One of the...

Good point. Good luck throwing a strike to Hasbulla's strike zone. Hold on! I just saw a kid! I saw a kid! I saw a highlight. There was a kid that did that, I guess, in the ESPN, the... Is that the Little League World kid. I saw a highlight. There was a kid that did that, I guess, in the ESPN. Is that the Little League World Series, I guess? There was a kid that did that. And it was a strike.

It was called Strike. Why don't – I always wonder that. Why don't more people do that? What is it? Is it frowned upon? Amps take it as like an insult. So if it's anywhere close, they will call it a strike. Yeah, kind of.

Sometimes, too, you know, you got kids doing that. It's like, all right, I'm just going to throw it this kid's head then. Might as well. Get him off the floor a little bit. All right, let's talk about some news in our sport. We will pursue the idea of buying the Pirates. Legit. Have already sent out two texts to see if they could set up a call for a grand idea.

Let's go. Which is how one person asked me to think of ideas for something bigger. I said, I think our show's pretty fucking big. I mean, I don't know if I have to show, like, everything, but our show's pretty fucking big. They're like, no, we're talking like,

you know, like, if you have any grand ideas, we'd like to be a part of it. I mean, I got some. We got it. Are we doing this right now? Are we shooting off ideas right now? No, we'll revisit in like a month.

I'm like, okay. Buying the Pirates is a grand idea. Could have the first, like, Jerry World in the MLB. Well, PNC Park.

I would like to let it be very, I know you're from Boston, so you don't get it. Oh, I don't get it. Fenway Park, the greatest park in Vegas. Well,

I'll tell you, you guys staring at a big green wall, it's 195 fucking degrees, seven hours to get a beer in that place. It's Fenway Park. It's the greatest park in baseball. You guys are staring at a big green wall. It's 195 fucking degrees. Seven hours to get a beer in that place. It's a green master. That's just what I thought. The place was a dump. That's just what I thought.

That's a lie. That's a lie. Gumpy can attest. That's a lie. This is beautiful. Nick told Gumpy, wow, I love Boston. This is my second favorite city. The city.

I said it's a nice city. The ballpark's a dump. You ain't ever seen PNC Park, pal. PNC Park is... I'll play him over the show. Yeah, yeah. The city. The city, yeah. I said it's a nice city. The ballpark's a dump. You ain't ever seen PNC Park, pal. PNC Park is... I play them over the show. Yeah, exactly. I see it every day. Yeah, so you play Fenway

because you're like, oh, the big green, this is awesome. This is fun. It's bomb. Yeah, go to Wrigley too and they just put in a Jumbotron like a year ago

so you can see Wrigley. Oh, this place is awesome. Yeah. This place didn't have lights. This place stinks. PNC, don't even... We're not changing PNC. You want to put a pirate ship in the view of the city over the river there. I still think that's not a terrible idea.

But you've got to put a casino right next to the stadium. Come on. There is a casino right next to the stadium. You don't go a distance. Hop, skip, and a jump. I'm not talking about a drive over a bridge. You don't. You can walk there.

You walk through. Two minutes. You walk through the gold can walk there. You walk through. Two minutes. You walk through the gold lot right there. Oh, yeah? The only thing you got to do is you got to walk past Heinz and the Science Center is right there. Hey, Carnegie Science Center, by the way, we should be connected to that too because they have great laser shows.

Great laser shows. I'll have them head up the seventh inning stretch. Bingo. All right, so let's get to our sport, football. Well, maybe if we become the owner of a team, I don't know what our sport is anymore. Our team will cheat, right? Yeah. That's the only way to win?

Listen, Mr. Manfred, I am not going to be promoting my ballplayers to do anything that everybody else ain't doing. But if there's one other person doing something that's making them a lot better. Like this spider tech, by the way, I would have had a full spider tech sponsorship for that. Here you go, boys. Exoskeleton. Bingo. Get that buzzer. If I hear that the Astros are wearing goddamn exoskeletons with buzzers, okay, guess what? We're hiring the best buzzer committee we can find and we're getting buzzers

on all the boys down there. And we're going to put them in places where they can take their shirt off and celebrate. Not like all too many who couldn't do the whole thing. Hey, hey, hey. I'm going to do the whole thing. But I'm going to have to learn a lot of the unwritten rules of baseball, it sounds like. Because I haven't even thought about all this stuff. Yeah, just write new ones.

Well, they're unwritten. Don't write new ones. I mean, if you get caught cheating and all that happens is you've got to fire your coach. I mean, take our chances. I'm not being fired. No, yeah, you just keep a couple sacrificial lambs around. So if something does, it's like, yeah, shit, it was this guy's idea. This guy, he's got the video.

He's got the video. Put me in the dugout. I'll be fucking right there all day, and then when something goes wrong, got to fire him. Is that guy right there? He saw him. He was sitting at the end. It wasn't the head coach, Jason Kendall.

No, it wasn't. It wasn't our lead morale guy, Billy Gardell. It wasn't the mayor, Sean Casey. No, no, it wasn't our lead morale guy, Billy Gardell. It wasn't the Mayor Sean Casey. No, no, it wasn't you. It wasn't Euclid. It was actually that mustache guy down there that was just doing, hey, attaboy. A lot of attaboy.

It's the attaboy guy. Oh, yeah, attaboy, attaboy. Sorry I was feeding the boys steroids. It's not my fault. I was just there to try and boost these numbers. Get these guys paid. I do believe we have potentially said some disparaging things in our quest to own a team here in the last 16 minutes.

This is obviously a lot of jest involved here. We will not be pumping illegal drugs into the players or be promoting that at all. We want a clean, fair, safe game. And the only advantage we will have is that we will unload money to get good players and good events. We are willing to go bankrupt in this thing mostly because we're getting this money from somebody else yes all

right let's um let's talk about our sport Doug Peterson out there at Tahoe speaking really for the first time with uh Sirius XM NFL radio he he was asked about the Carson Wentz situation and his response was very fascinating you could tell that he had already thought about how he was going to answer this, and I don't know if we'll ever truly find out what the real story is because at the time, it seemed like there were some Zambelli fireworks going off in the Philadelphia Eagles organization. Just a couple years ago, there was a statue built of Doug Peterson, Nick Foles right out front.

There was Philadelphians eating horse, eating horse shit off the ground, off of a parade route because the Philadelphia Eagles, for the first time in 50 years, won the Super Bowl. Who did it? Doug Peterson. Way to go, Doug. Attaboy, Doug. Good win, Doug.

Nick Foles. Hey, here we go. Philly, Philly. He called it. They got a statue, okay, when they do the whole conversation, a full thing. Now here we are just a few years later. Nick Foles is on his second team since then. Peterson gets fired, walks out.

Don't know how that goes. Carson Wentz, who you would think is why everybody else is. Nick Foles definitely left because of Carson Wentz. They chose to stick with Carson. Doug Peterson, he left because you thought maybe Carson. Now Carson's also gone. It has all gone to hell in a handbasket over there. It really is like a hornet's nest in Philadelphia.

Doug Peterson really spoke about it for the first time. And his quote was fascinating. We're getting this via pro football talk. And he said, you go into drafts and you go into each year looking for quarterbacks, Doug Peterson said during an appearance. And we continue to look for quarterbacks, and that's always something that will never change. We won a Super Bowl with our backup quarterback,

and we've had to play with our backups a couple of times in Philadelphia. So we did that a year ago and brought in Jalen Hurts, not to undermine Carson Wentz, not to do anything to take away his job or anything, because Carson was our starter. He was the franchise and all that moving forward, but we wanted someone that could come in and could be the backup and learn how to play the NFL game, bring his talent to the Philadelphia Eagles. And really, as the season began, says Doug Peterson,

things just started to kind of, I guess, spiral out of control. Injuries began to set in. We weren't playing very well. Turnovers offensively, just a number of things penalties more injuries compounded problems and it just became harder and harder as the year wore on no one person is to blame for any of what happened last year and it's just unfortunate for me because i was hoping to really have an opportunity to fix the issues we had that kind of get everything back on track whether it be this year or next year and obviously that didn't happen i don't spend a lot of time thinking about the ifs and buts. I just focus on the future and look forward to that. Fascinating comments.

So he didn't want to leave, all right? Because whenever he left, it sounded as if Doug wanted the hell out of there because there was potentially a situation brewing where they hired this young head coach and Doug Peterson with the understanding that you do what we tell you to do. Then Doug Peterson had a lot of success, went on, started becoming his own person, and there was potential differences of opinions on how the team should be run between Doug, owner, GM. That, I guess, is potentially still true because they said they split or whatever. He says that he wanted to fix

it. He was kind of shown the door. Interesting stuff. The first time Doug spoke out here at Tahoe really at length about it. I assume we'll continue to question what went on behind closed doors. Where did it blow up? How did this whole thing that just had a fucking statue made a couple years ago and people eating horse shit become this? We'll probably find out 10, 15, 20 years from now, but it seems like Doug really wanted to stay, and they told him to get the fuck on the road. Well, and they drafted Jalen Hurst, but I don't think they told probably find out 10, 15, 20 years from now But it seems like Doug really wanted to stay And they told him To get the fuck on the road

Well and they drafted Jalen Hurst But I don't think they told him That Carson was the future Because I think it was Darius Slay who came on here And said hey Jalen From day one was like I'm going to compete

I want to compete I want this you know I want to have an opportunity To play and I think That was something That affected Carson right Because mentally he was like Kind of losing confidence

Because of the fact That they drafted a guy And because of the fact That he was coming in Did Carson say that I don't remember what Carson said about the whole Jalen thing whenever he was sitting right here. I thought he said that he had no feelings towards it. It didn't bother him is what I believe he said when he was here. And then when he said he was playing bad, I think Carson took ownership of it, but

it did feel all year, all reports, people who have any insight in for South Palantinia so whatever they're talking about the philadelphia eagles is that there was quite a riff in the locker room you think about when bean came on the show we want to empower josh allen we don't want to bring cam newton in there no they weren't empowering whence when they did that yeah and they trade up to make the pick right didn't they they trade traded up. Did they trade up? Second round? I don't know. I don't know either.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember. Because second round, last pick of the second round, they draft Kyle Trask down there in Tampa. Yeah. Asked Tom about it. Tom's like, yeah, whatever, man. Tom's also 40-some years old or whatever.

Carson, I guess the Jalen thing, if you look at it as a human, you could see how Carson's like, what the hell, you guys didn't even give me a heads up? I don't know how the whole thing played. Maybe they did. But it went bad quick. And I didn't know Doug wanted to stay. Is that why he put in Sudfeld?

What did he put in? But it's not like the Eagles had weapons either. There were so many other pieces they needed to draft. And the offensive line got hurt. Injuries did happen. I wonder if it was just we need to go separate ways or did Doug want to have more say? And they said no.

Hopefully one day we'll find out the real truth. And with the Sudfeld stuff, it seemed like the narrative kind of towards the end there became like, well, is Doug Peterson really even that good of a coach? I mean, how much did he have to do with them winning the Super Bowl? I would assume that whenever he's ready to come back, he's going to get a job immediately, isn't he? Yeah, I think. I think so.

In this next head coaching. Yeah, the next cycle. Yeah, because this is like when Rivera, remember Ron Rivera, was it week four, week six, maybe? I forget what it was. New ownership came in and said, hey, Ron, we're going to go a different direction for the future. We appreciate and respect you. Allegedly, this is what was said. Ron took it, and then

the Panthers went their different way. They had an interim, then they brought in Matt Rule for $70 million, you know, that whole thing. Is Doug Peterson going to be the guy week 13, 14, 15 when a coach has already been fired maybe in the box like Urban Meyer was or Ron Rivera was doing

in places? Is this a potential Doug gets to pick where he wants to go thing, especially with the enemy. If they have another year, he's everybody assumes he's at least going to get a chance to get a head coaching job. I put Doug Peterson with a super bowl and I think he's pretty well liked. He's at Tahoe right now. So he must be pretty social with,

with me. Yeah. He's probably going to get a job whenever he wants it. Probably. Huh? I assume so. I mean, I don't know. because it was weird because i feel like that the narrative did kind of just change and they they kind of made him out to be like uh doug peterson's a shitty coach that's why he's getting fired yeah he's the one that right carson it was his fault he's the

one playing sudfeld and it was the narrative was very much doug peterson kind of and now doug's like no i wanted to get it fixed or whatever now who knows who's rewriting right mean, if he's trying to get another job, it would make sense that he's. But we don't know him. No. We don't know him well enough. We're just saying that is a potential option here that he is potentially trying to write a way that it went. Well, and there's that shot of the sideline where Carson was over here.

No, no, no. And he was next to Jalen. And that whole, I mean, obviously. Carson said he wasn't even looking at him. Not even looking at him. But from the outside looking in, it was like, oh, Doug Peterson hates Carson Wentz. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a show that joins you in this wild ride of life.

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