The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 456 - The Milwaukee Bucks Are NBA Champions, Ian Rapoport, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: July 21, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about the Milwaukee Bucks winning the NBA Championship, how dominant Giannis was, and incredible the atmosphere and environment in Milwaukee was inside and outside of the arena, they also chat about the Olympics and who some of the betting favorites might be for a few events. Joining the program is NFL Network Insider and friend of the show, Ian Rapoport, to chat about new developments in the Aaron Rodgers situation, if certain teams are currently still interested in Deshaun Watson, what's going to happen with Stephon Gilmore, and more (17:31-33:39). Later, Pat and AJ Hawk chat about some of their experiences in the locker room, on the bus, and on planes after losses, and how those moments really told you a lot about the team you were on, and much more (35:02-1:37:20). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Wednesday, July 21st. Big show, good show, great conversation, I do believe. Let's get to it. We got Rappaport joining us in like 14, 16 minutes. What are you guys betting on on Hammered Down? Is there any, what are you doing? Not the U.S. women. Whoa. Tony. No, no, that's our one, that's our one sure bet. Is that it? Yeah, come on. I used to think so. What? Lost 3-0 to Sweden opening game in the Olympics. I don't know what we're talking about. We're talking about our U.S. women's soccer team? Soccer.

We didn't lose. Yeah. Three-nothing. Was that our good team? Oh, yeah. But they don't matter, right? No, no, no. That is the Olympics.

The Olympics have begun. It can't be. What? Our good team? Mm-hmm. Three-nothing. You're telling me... Can't have it. It can't be. What? Our good team? Mm-hmm. 3-0. You're telling me. Can't have it.

Mrs. Ertz is out there? I don't know if she played or not, but I know. Carly Lloyd's out there? I don't. Yeah. I know it's the A team. I don't know if they're still on it or not. That's the A team.

I just saw they haven't lost in 44 matches, and now we're picking the Olympics to lose? What the hell? So I'm happy you got that in. I was trying to ask you a genuine question. Now the NBA is completely over. So you guys are just betting on first five? Is that what Hammerdown is? Baseball. Olympics.

U.S.-Jamaica Gold Cup knockout round Sunday night. Huge match. We're dead in the water. I thought our young boys, our B team, was playing like our A team. Well, but you just heard what our A team's playing like over there. Soccer world's upside down. Shit.

Soccer world is upside down. Do we have any chance? How are the Jamaicans? Good? Jamaican does have some good players. It'll be a good matchup. U.S. should go through, though. It seems like that soccer, the style of soccer, was much more like Copa as opposed to the

Europe's, yeah? Yeah, that's what it feels like. A little bit more aggressive? There you go. Guys are dancing out there. Is it because Canada's boring then? You guys play like the Europe's because you still pay taxes to England? Is that why it was only 1-0 20 seconds into that game and then it didn't happen? Nobody scored for the rest of the time? Canada is

missing their best player, Alphonso Davies. Bayern Munich superstar. I mean, he is our best player. Bayern Munich? Yeah. I didn't know that. He's a stud. Don't forget, too, that most of our roster plays in the most exciting league in the world,

in the MLS. That's not true. You know, which is why we just push the pace and try to score goals. This guy has a new stadium. Oh, yeah. Exactly. It's bigger than, man, there's some high school football stadiums, I think, over there in Ohio.

Oh, yeah. Pretty big. I think over there in Ohio Pretty big Massive Pretty big Pretty big It'd be a damn shame if Qatar wins this tournament Relax dude Qatar's gonna win the Gold Cup? Qatar is buzzing

Because they're hosting Because they're hosting If you host the World Cup You can enter random tournaments Oh so we're gonna be in the Europe's? Qatar's in the Oh yeah we could we can pick the europe's i don't know what 2026 applies to yeah hold on so qatar can just pick and choose so

qatar is in the gold cup right now so the last time this happened south korea hosted the world cup in 2002 they entered the gold cup qatar did it now okay so qatar is in the gold cup the gold cup is normally north america the caribbean central america and anybody else qatar okay qatar is not in that area okay qatar is in a much different part of the world they get to pick and choose so whenever we host the world cup which is when 20 20 22 we can just pick and choose what turn hey we want to go try out the europe see how they're playing over there we want to go down to copa as well and that's going to be the boys too we're going to have like the boys oh yeah guys imagine if in that year i don't know if guitar is going to be a boss off good luck to guitar i hope they do well people say that guitar was the right choice

for the world cup too right that's oh yeah people love that people say good luck for them nothing bad came from that happening yeah because when – I heard that is not exactly accurate, but I might be wrong. A few bodies under the stadiums would say differently. Yeah. A few thousand maybe. A lot of people died building those stadiums in the middle of the desert. Too many.

It just changed when the tournament is. It's in December. Yeah, so a lot has happened because Qatar got chosen because the incredibly straight and non-corrupt FIFA organization decided to do that. But Qatar might not take advantage of it. They weren't in Europe, right? And that might have been COVID. We're going to go collect trophies, though.

That's right. And then we won't be able to enter those tournaments ever again, so we will be undefeated in those things. People are going to hate us so bad. Oh, my. Imagine when Pulisic, Reyna, DK, and the boys go over to the Europes, win it, and then never can't get back into it next year. So is it our trophy forever then?

Yeah. Nobody beat us. We're the best ever? Oh, the people in England are going to have to sit on that. Oh, my. Wait until it comes home. It's coming home. It's coming home.

Tell the Europes it's coming home. the Europe It's coming home And never going back Because we can't play in the tournament again 76 all over again That's tough They're going to have to get another trophy I kind of feel bad for the Europeans What year are we the champion of the Europe's?

2024 Good luck You lose again So that's not the next one It's the one after that, right? Because Europe's is every two years? Every four. Oh, really?

Yeah, it's just like the World Cup. Okay. Is there a way that we can potentially have the Winter Olympics, the Europe's, the Summer Olympics, the World Cup? Is that how it's set up? Is it set up like alternate? If it's four things, right, that's all you need if it's alternating every four years. Have we done that as a society? I'm pretty sure that is how it's set up is it set up like alternate if it's four things right that's all you need if it's alternating every four years have we done that as a society i'm pretty sure that is how it's supposed to be set up i think the pandemic screwed that up that's why everything's just last year the summer olympics and the euros would have been in the same year so they're

probably always in the same year yeah okay well anyway soccer doesn't matter but yeah in 2024 well when we win the fucking europe's gonna be a world cup and we're hosting the world cup to your initial point though tough time in in the host of gambling show world. Yeah, you're going to have to get hot in the Olympics. Maybe the Olympics will happen. Two weeks until the first preseason game. Well, and that's great news because preseason football is much better to gamble on than anything else that we don't know anything about. Because we know the rosters and know who's going to play when and everything like that.

The NBA, though, I think does deserve a little bit of a hey. So, congratulations. You guys did it. Adam Silver was introduced twice last night by Malika because the – congrats to Malika Andrews, by the way, 26 years old, first finals. But Adam Silver was introduced twice down there because they couldn't really get a handle on it. There was no stage.

It was kind of just like everybody was kind of rushing to court, but they did have the socially distant microphone, which definitely worked. Interesting. Definitely worked. And Adam Silver, I mean, whatever they were trying to potentially set up, it was not working, especially with the view outside. Milwaukee was awesome. I mean, that was fucking unbelievable.

I saw some people tweet, and I think it was maybe the PR company for the event that this was, put out like, hey, we're setting standard for what everybody is. I'm not sure everybody's going to be able to get this. Now, not every sport is in the middle of summer. Not every sport is coming out of a lockdown. Not every sport is doing anything like that. But I loved that all of Milwaukee went downtown to celebrate this thing. They'll have a parade probably, what, tomorrow maybe or the next day?

And it'll be even bigger than this, but Milwaukee put on a hell of a show, and this is, at the beginning of the series, remember, there was open conversation. Not by us. Nope. By other people that Milwaukee sucks as a city. Remember that? People are like, that place stinks.

They don't deserve a championship. This is not us. This is not us. We're not saying that. Milwaukee said, oh, is that right? First of all, we're going to have eight-year-olds chug beers in the middle of the goddamn game. We're going to have Bakhtiari chug some. We're going to have Dana beers in there. We're going to blow the roof off this place. And although the Phoenix Suns

had a couple fights and knockouts in there, we're going to be loud. It's not just inside the building. It's outside the building. The entire city is going to show up for this thing. And I thought it was a beautiful night for the Bucs. I bet on Giannis to be the first basket, which block basket. And then also for Milwaukee to win. Thought we were in trouble going in the half, to be honest.

And then all of a sudden, the Suns kind of laid an egg here late. And the Bucs pulled away. And Giannis puts up 50 in the fucking finals i mean it was it was just amazing i won gambling i think you guys all won gambling the nba had a big night it was cool to see the spectacle that was congrats the honest chris middleton drew holiday that guy looks like he's uh our uncle and an insurance salesman is the coach. Yep. Everybody that's Milwaukee. And Aaron Rodgers, owner. Yeah. My boy, Rodgers.

Congrats, Rodgers. Giannis, at this point, he's 26 years old. He's already been Defense Player of the Year MVP a couple times. He's a champion. He's an MVP of the championship. He has done all these things. He's three-time All-NBA First Team at the age of 26. He has all of the accolades. And he cut a promo afterwards about super teams, too, that I enjoyed.

He's like, I could go win easy, he said. I could go win easy with somebody. To do it here, eight years, and the picture of what he was when he showed up in Milwaukee versus what he has become in Milwaukee from 196 pounds, maybe 5'8", to 242 pounds, 6'10", or whatever the hell he is, and becoming an absolute monster, superstar, megastar. A lot of doubt because the guy isn't the best shooter, but he is just absolutely dominant. Good for Giannis. Chris Middleton as well, and everybody in Milwaukee.

That coach was fired five different times during this entire playoff run. Now he's a champion. Hell of a time. Hell of a night. I mean, 50 points, too, from your honest. It was awesome. But to your point about the immediate post-championship with Adam Silver, did you see where he basically announced the Bucs as champions

and then no one went to go get the trophy? Yeah. And then the owner walked over and they started passing it from owner to owner and the team was sitting behind the case like, hey, can we get the fucking trophy? We just won this thing for you guys and the crowd was very much like hey can you get the fuck out of the way to the owners yeah and i was wondering like were the owners brand new out there to do the i don't think so because if aaron has a share have they made moves in selling and moving and buying because it felt like milwaukee had no idea who those three dudes were.

No clue. They had no clue. Yeah. What the fuck? Pass it over to another guy with an unbuttoned collar look with a little bit of a twirl. Oh, yeah.

Okay, who the fuck? Trucker hat guy? Who the fuck is that? Nobody finally. And then it felt like somebody was like, hey, was one of you guys come get me? Yeah. Grand MVP. Hey, did you see that Louis box it was sitting in?

Oh, yeah. That thing is nuts. Nice. Unbelievable. Chris Middleton was hanging on that trophy for a long time. Chris Middleton got dragged a lot through this entire process. Oh, yeah. For a few years.

Yeah, for a long, long time. And they put out his track to Milwaukee, G League, and all this other shit. Man, it's really cool to see, especially because as a casual NBA fan, I mean, we pegged it very early. Okay, so Brooklyn's playing LA. Oh, yeah. From day one. All right, if you get all the good players, you're going to win.

Okay, that's what's going to happen. You buy championships. That has happened. Heat, Lakers, Cleveland even, maybe whenever LeBron's. There is places that you have been able to buy championships, and I thought that's what the NBA was going to become. And as a casual, I loved it. I'm like, okay, I only got to watch one game a week. All the stars are there. It's

like an all-star game all year round. I love it. As somebody who doesn't have any affiliation really to any team, I just like the players. That's great. Turns out you build a team and you have good chemistry, good culture and everything like that. You also can be very good in basketball. I had no idea. I did not. I thought basketball was, hey, you guys can be very good in basketball i had no idea i did not i thought basketball was hey you guys can be five separate entities who hate each other as long as you just make your own plays make your own shots try defense in certain parts of the game you're gonna go on and win the whole fucking thing that milwaukee bucks team it felt like they were real like a real donors aside yeah i felt like the team was a real family over there.

And Jan is talking directly into the mic afterwards to Malika during the interview. He said to Chris, he said, we did it or whatever. And then they hugged like that was a cool moment that you're never, that I was thinking. And I think a lot of us were thinking the NBA would never see again,

you know, because it's just like, Hey, friends coming, ballers coming. That was a cool moment for like like, team sports, I think. Well, and they've been in the playoffs so many times where they're the one seed and they blow it. So for them to actually do it.

And now, honestly, he did it without the super team. Go get Kawhi. Let's bring in Kawhi Leonard. Go on a run, Milwaukee. What about Dame? Dame, sure. Bring in Dame time. Drew.

Imagine Dame time. Oh, man. Shooting with Giannis eating in the middle. Under the rim. Oh. Hey, his effort on defensive side. I mean, he was NBA defense player of the year. There was a time there for like a good four minutes I was watching.

He might have had seven swats or attempted swats or goaltending or a foul. I mean, he is eating under there. For him to have 50 points in a game that his team only scored 105, the next highest was 17 like and he's a great like he seems like just a great dude it's good for you good for you big moment state that's like a um yeah like a career defining night for sure the all the questions that are potentially ever going to be asked about yann. Whoever is on his side will be able to go back. Oh, you remember championship game?

He dropped 50 and 15. Get the fuck out of here. Get the hell out of here. After hyperextending his knee and going on an entire run, I mean, that was a beautiful thing. 17 of 19 from the free throw line, which is basically really the only area that he struggles in normally. Allegedly, we may potentially have a conversation

with another member of the Milwaukee Bucks. Here we go. Pat Connington. Oh, that's a good guy. I love his bravado. I love everything about him. Two sport athletes, could have gone pro in both. The fuck was he doing at the end of that game?

Did you see that? flies that guy oh yeah freaking like massive fan of him since his days at Notre Dame I mean massive fan at the end of the game though he was hanging on to that ball okay and they were up eight or whatever at the time and he could have very easily passed that maybe killed more time but he was like no I want to and I was like that's right Pat let's fucking go like yeah you want the ball in your hands like this is a moment where people pass the ball championship this is nba championship final seconds and pat's like now you can foul me or whatever they found he almost airballed that for a shot it was ridiculous i thought it slipped out of his hand then the next one he missed too i'm like yo pat what are we doing that can't happen for pats

for for the Whites. Okay, a freak athlete. Whites don't have a lot of pack on it. Can't have 44-inch verticals when he was at the combine. Fucking freak athlete. Remember at Notre Dame, he was flying over people. I mean, it was this guy could go pro in the MLB or

the NBA. Yeah, do whatever he wants. I'm like, okay, we got Samarja, but without football, we got basketball. Okay, here we go. Let's go. And then this is like my first real time getting to watch him through this entire series again because I'm not seeking Milwaukee Bucks. I will now. Oh, yeah.

I have to because they're champs. I will watch the champions going forward whenever they're potentially on a screen that is in front of me. Sure. Okay? Which, you know, Milwaukee is not getting that many of those games. But now because they're champs. They deserve it.

Even though the people that are picking and choosing who gets primetime games did say that the city stinks. Okay, not us. Nope. Not us. I love Milwaukee. Bark twice. If you're in Milwaukee.

I mean, Milwaukee's a great city. It is. I'm just saying, getting a chance to maybe, you know, see Pat Conton play. I was like, let's go, dude. All right, I remember you back in Notre Dame. This guy's awesome. Happy to see you still got it. Then at the end of the game, I'm like, even more happy.

I'm like, this dude wants the fucking ball. Yes. In the championship game, he wants to shoot the free throws. And then it didn't look like it was. Pat, get the ball to Giannis. Come on. Pat, pass that ball to Chris. I think Chris is like a 100% shooter or something like that.

But congrats, everybody, on the Bucs. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to chat with Pat. Big fan, obviously. We'll ask him what happened there. Oh, yeah. Because he's a shooter, right? Oh, yeah. So his free throw percentage is probably pretty good.

You would imagine. I think maybe you're about to win a championship. You're a bit jacked up. I don't know how. Like Giannis in those free throws, he was about to score 50 and win a championship, you're a bit jacked up. I don't know how. Like Giannis in those free throws, he was about to score 50 and win a championship after already celebrating. He had to gather himself and make a free throw.

I thought that was going long. I thought that thing was bricking out. Gets 50. Then the next thing, he's like, I think at that point, he's like, fuck it, we won. Just misses it or whatever. What a night for Giannis. Career 79% free throw shooter for Pat. Yeah, so it must have slipped. The ball was wet.

P.J. Tucker kept hitting it off his head. That's right. It was sweat. Bobby Portis. Early. What's old buddy's name who's on there? The color commentator? Negative one. Old coach. Mark Jackson. No. Van Gundy. That one. Yeah. Mark Jackson doesn't

deserve that. Early. Vanndy goes to a commercial break after bobby portis slams when he goes bobby portis really loves himself some bobby portis it was like guys in a fucking championship game okay he just yammed on somebody and then afterwards we heard a story where he thought about like quitting and then like he found himself it's like hey van gundy maybe a little positive like hey there's a guy enjoying the moment as opposed to shitting his pants. Can we not talk about that? And then all night it was hard not to watch him. It was like, oh, this guy's electric.

Milwaukee loves him. Joining us now is another man that's loved in Milwaukee. Oh, yeah. Because he has all the information on the Aaron Rodgers situation. That's right. From NFL.com and NFL Network, host of Rap Sheet and Friends, a show that is currently on hiatus. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapp.

Oh, Todd today. Are we working? What's going on? Training camp's going on? There's news to be told? I mean, it's football season and I actually have to work. So, we're back. Vacation was done. We're back. What is the big conversation right now?

Training camp show ups? What Aaron Rodgers is doing? What is the big conversation that's keeping you working today on the television screen? Yeah, I mean, I think now it's kind of just cleaning up what's been floating around all summer. You know, Aaron Rodgers has won, Deshaun Watson, a couple contracts. Who's getting done kind of before training camp? I think there'll be some stuff today. Which rookies are going to report. I mean, all that kind of figuring out what's

going to happen before everyone officially shows up mostly next Monday. What's getting done today? There's some big news coming today? Is it normally immediately after you get off this show you break news, which is very nice of you. Is there anything right now? What are we thinking? I will not be having anything in the near future.

Well, we'll see. You never know. What does that mean? Wow. But we'll see. There'll be some stuff today. Patriots signed their second round. They're wrapping up their draft.

Let's go! Let's go! Matt Patricia did it. Hold on. Let me respond to a text and tell someone that I can't talk to them right now. I'm on the Pat McAfee show. Oh, who's that person? Is it like somebody telling you some news maybe?

Terry Jones. Possibly. But you guys are more important, so I'm going to make sure I get to that after I talk to you. Yeah, you'll get to it after, then you'll break news afterwards. The cleanup thing, you just mentioned it there, and I kind of got distracted

because you said something might come today, and I was eager for it to potentially come on this show because that would be so cool right yesterday i broke some news about a house cleaning situation and you know it was cool to be in as well i retweeted thank you retweeted thank you and also on nfl network aaron rogers house has never been deep cleaned via pat mcafee show so i appreciate you guys over there really well can i just tell you just let me interrupt for a second i didn't understand that story because I could make arguments that he was deep cleaning it to sell it, and I could also make arguments that he was deep cleaning it because it was dirty and he wants to have it cleaner.

I don't know that I've ever deep cleaned anything, maybe a carpet, but that was a weird – there's been some weird Roger scoops. That was a pretty odd one. Okay, let's dive into the Rodgers scoops. What are you hearing? The only thing I know is that country club renewal thing, and that happens. All right, that happens.

I'm sure it's a great golf course, but every country club renewal is just like, hey, it's going to happen. You've got to cancel that, just like everything on your phone, every subscription you have on your phone, you've got to cancel it. There is a service that you sponsor us that is really good. I forget the name of it, that can find all the money you're wasting on subscriptions. Maybe Aaron could do that with his country clubs next year if he has to

because he found out about this publicly. But is there anything else we don't know? Is there anything that we don't know? Because I haven't asked him anything real. Is there anything you're hearing from behind the scenes, other teams, maybe the Packers, anything like that? Well, let me just start at the beginning. I don't get the sense that all the Packers are going to trade him, just like we said in April, just like we've said in March. I don't

get the sense at all. The craziest thing to me about this whole situation, besides the fact just that it's happening, is that almost nothing has changed. I mean, we've known since April that the Packers are trying to get him to sign a new extension. He has not done it yet, which means they are not there yet. We've known his frustration with the organization. We've known they're not going to trade him. I don't think he's going to retire. I'd be absolutely stunned, as would people close to him, but I guess you sort of never know.

I mean, we're like five days away from training camp, and I haven't talked to one person who knows what Aaron Rodgers is going to do. And that, to me, is what makes this stand out. And, you know, he's frustrated with the team. I think he wants more of a say in some things. The people sort of laughed about the Jake Kummerow situation where they cut his buddy. But, like, that's kind of real.

Not kind of. That's what really hurts. That's definitely real. So we're kind of real you know that's what kind of that's definitely we're kind of nowhere with the situation still and i think that's definitely real and then when mark murphy comes out and compounds it almost post this entire thing with you know his statements he's a complicated guy this and that it's just like are we trying to get something done or we're not and did that news that broke on draft day needed to be broke? Right. You know, like that's where we're at ultimately in the end.

I guess behind the scenes, did you guys all know this was a problem that was boiling before that news broke? Is that something that was kind of like a poorly kept secret almost? Yeah, and I don't even know that it was a secret because some of this stuff was out there. Like I knew that Rodgers was refusing a restructure and usually you know that like restructures are automatic right like hey could you you team says to the player hey you know that salary that we're going to pay you in 17 weeks can we just

give it all to you now and help our salary cap and usually players go I love money I'll take it all now and that's easy Rogers refusing a simple restructure was the alarm bells to me that something is wrong and the fact that i had heard that his agent had flown out there to sit with rogers for several days to kind of go through this with the packers um that made me think something was wrong as well the problem is there's no actual answer that doesn't end with rogers playing for the Packers. I mean, again, I guess retirement, theoretically, Jeopardy, kind of. But really it's just how can the Packers and Rodgers move forward together.

And the fact that we don't have an answer to that five days out is the only thing to me that's, I would say, a little bit alarming. Yeah, there's not a lot of time to figure that out. And Ty might have a follow-up here in a bit. But I want to shift to another thing that doesn't have a lot of time to figure out. And what you said to us the last time you were on was fascinating. You said that there were still teams interested in Deshaun Watson. Then Deshaun Watson's agent was posting photos of him working out with two young potential faces of the NFL at some point if they can end up making it.

So the business side is saying like hey I can lump these guys with Deshaun Watson even though the accusations and allegations are massive and in a plenty then you see Deshaun liking a tweet that said hey if you're playing this year like this tweet how could that all happen and how could that happen feasibly within the next five days before camp, you said? And then we got three weeks until the season starts. That is the judicial system is like much different, right? Isn't that a whole different world that we have no time for right now for Deshaun to play?

Isn't like justice going to take a while over there, you think? Or is that not? Yeah, justice always takes a while. And, you know, the NFL is sort of out of the business of just waiting until justice handles it and then we'll figure it out. Because usually that's like two or three years later, right? Like guys will get a DUI, then get suspended two years later. And you're like, why did this guy get suspended? Oh, right. I kind of remember that. Five days before camp, I haven't got the sense the Texans are moving forward in trading him at all. So for Watson, it's either move forward as you've been, which is not wanting to play for the Texans at all, but having to report. And then Mike Garofalo, my colleague, has reported that the NFL is not expected to put him on the exemplist. I would agree with that because no games are coming up. So it's going to

be an awkward dance until and unless the Texans go, all right, fine, he's not playing for us, we'll trade him. But, you know, I do think their team's interested and that would trade from before the legal situation is wrapped up. But would that allow the Texans to maximize his value in a trade? That's sort of a different question. Okay, so you don't get the sense that this is quietly behind the scenes potentially getting wrapped up. What you're saying is this could take a couple years and there's NFL teams that are still interested

even though they have no idea what could potentially be coming? Or is that real? Yeah, and I think there's definitely some teams still interested. I know that. I think most teams are sort of thinking like, hey, if he gets – look, if you're going to trade for – if you're trading for Deshaun Watson, you are not trading for him for this year. You're trading for him for 12 years.

I mean, franchise quarterback who's young, who's awesome, a great player, that's something that is a 12 year thing, right? So if he does get suspended this year, which certainly is in the realm of possibility, then I would say teams will deal with that and kind of move forward and, and kind of figure that one out. All right, Ian, good luck out there for you in this whole thing. I'll go ahead, Ty. Ian, going back to the Rogers situation. I know, Ian, good luck out there for you in this whole thing. Go ahead, Ty.

Ian, going back to the Rodgers situation, I know— Hey, I want to update you. Here's the news that we were talking about. So Fred Warner and the 49ers, this is according to Mike Garofalo, get a five-year, $95 million extension with $40.5 million in guarantees. Highest paid inside linebacker in the NFL and obviously a much deserved extension for Fred Warner.

Congrats, Fred! That Niners defense continues to stay stacked. Will Trey Lance be able to lead that team to the promised land or Jimmy G stay healthy with the stacked defense? An offensive mastermind calling plays?

Maybe a healthy team that won't get kicked out of their stadium next year. The Niners could be on the rise. Congrats to Fred Warner. And also, congrats to Darius Leonard, who has not signed a deal yet and just saw that deal get signed right there. Go ahead, Diggs. Rap, we talked about this a little bit yesterday. I believe it was a report from the Boston Globe that they think, um,

Taysom Hill is going to be the starter down in New Orleans. I found that slightly surprising. Is that what you're hearing potentially too? Uh, I would be surprised by that. No, I mean, crazy things have happened. So, you know, it's going to be like a real competition. And this is, you know, in a way kind of fun because there's not a ton of these, right? Like sometimes you have competitions where you have like old veteran competing with new rookie and usually rookie wins out.

This is like two players who are making not a crazy salary who are actually really competing. And so, you know, my sense is that Jameis kind of has the leg up in New Orleans just because of the overall talent with the organization, thanks to him, the fact that they re-signed him, the fact that Taysom was, you know, pretty up and down, I would say up and down definitely during his starts last year. To me, it feels like Jameis has the upper hand, but I'm looking forward to seeing how that actually plays out.

It's going to be extremely, extremely fascinating. And I think if Jameis has the upper hand, but I'm looking forward to seeing how that actually plays out. It's going to be extremely, extremely fascinating. And I think if Jameis does win it, you're probably going to see him have the best year of probably his career. Well, I mean, he had an incredible year when he was with the Bucs. He just threw the ball to the other team just as much as he threw the ball to his team. That's the only issue. Now he got LASIK, though. That's right.

Now he's got LASIK, and he's throwing touchdowns on Nickelodeon. There's a chance that this whole thing really comes full circle. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Rabshi, do you see the Patriots giving Stephen Gilmore $7 million or in that range more for this year and then him hitting free agency? Or do you see him possibly holding out? Hold out, I'd be surprised. I think one thing with Gilmore,

let's say that the Patriots don't have a deal with Gilmore. He's still rehabbing that quad injury. So if he's not, you know, a hundred, a hundred, a hundred percent healthy, my guess is you wouldn't see him on the field until he does an extension. I think the Patriots get the urgency. Both sides have known this is an issue for some time. Deals happen a lot of times when they need to happen, not when everybody would like for them to happen. So, I mean, whether it's a one-year deal that just gives him a bump this year or whether it's a multi-year deal that locks him in

and helps him finish his career as a Patriot, like everyone knows something needs to get done because he's not playing for $7 million this year, nor should he. The $7 million only happened because they needed to take money from this year and move it to last year to get him paid. I think everyone kind of knows the deal. I would expect something to get done, and I believe that a contract is more likely than a trade at this point for New England.

We're talking to Ian Rappaport, insider for NFL.com and NFL Network. Great line right there. Deals happen when they need to happen, not when you want them to happen. Wow. Yeah, rap sheet. That's profound, rap sheet. Wow. That's profound.

Try. I try. Go ahead, Ty. Rap sheet, going back to the Rodgers situation, one of the last times you were on the show, you said that he wasn't going to be there for the start of camp, and I don't know if we were under the assumption that he kind of just would show up. And then now with the Packers offering this extension, I don't know if we were under the assumption that he kind of just would show up. And then now with the Packers offering this extension,

I don't know if that seems that genuine. Like, are they in a position where they're trying to get him back no matter what? Or at this point, would they rather see what they have with Jordan Love while he's not there? Like, when do you think a realistic estimate is of when he would be back at camp? Yeah, a couple of things. The contract extension was months ago. The offer was months ago and you know i haven't i know they talked i don't know they negotiated i know they couldn't arrive at

something that both sides wanted and then obviously things went to kind of a bad place i would say in you know obviously late april um so that was a while ago i i know the packers want them there i don't think it's a situation where they're like, hey, let's, you know, Rodgers, you take your time. Let's see about Jordan Love. Like, they want him there. They want to end this situation. I think the toughest thing with Aaron Rodgers is we're five days to go.

There's a lot of things that need to get sort of wrapped up, and everyone needs to put their arms around it and really figure out, like, what he wants specifically, how they can help him, how they can make him happy you know if it's not contract i mean i think you can do things contractually but if it's not contractually what can they really do besides just guaranteeing him a seat at the table that makes him feel wanted and feel like he's loved they have five days to figure that out five days to figure that out again i think he's going to play for them this year but does he take a couple days maybe you know well there's

just a lot to get wrapped up in five days i'll say that that would be massive right if he was offered a seat at the table there for the green bay packers and has that happened do you know if any of those conversations have happened and i love the fact that you said the contract extension is not news let's not that's what i like that but that would be news though if he was offered potential i don't want to say roster control but at least a little bit of an opportunity to express his opinions on stuff how would they figure that out and has that happened yet i mean that's what a lot of teams you know have with their starting I mean, we had the same sort of thing with, you know, same sort of thing with Russell Wilson in Seattle.

I know Brady is obviously heavily involved, heavily involved, but involved with the Tampa Bay Bucks decision making. I mean, they brought on Gronk and Antonio Brown. So obviously the influence is there. It is something that a lot of teams do with their quarterback. And, you know, again, like this is so weird, but the fact that we are talking about Jake Kummer, like it is, he, Rodgers praised him.

And then a day later, the team released him. That's something that weighs on a quarterback. You know, had they been like, hey, man, we're going to probably cut this guy. What do you think? He probably would have said, please don't. And some teams would have said, okay, we won't. But the Packers just did it. I think those are the sorts of things that are frustrating.

And when you talk about getting fixed, like what I described there, how do you fix that? Like what do you – you know, the only thing you say is like, hey, we're going to – we'll let you know before we do anything for a guy you like. Like there's ways to do it, but it is complicated. Yeah, but it's hard to do business after you've already burnt the bridge with somebody. That's just kind of what I've figured out.

Maybe they'll be able to figure it out, though, for the Packers fans and for all NFL fans because we'd like to see Aaron out there bowling. Ladies and gentlemen, big thanks. He's probably going to break news here in about a minute or two. Ian Rapoport. Thank you. We have some big news for you. Yeah.

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What's up, bud? How you doing? I'm all right, man. How are you? Good. How'd the show go? How'd the first hour? It was all right.

I let off apologizing to Zito and then letting people know that I did see what they said about me on the internet yesterday, even though I did fuck up. That doesn't mean, like, I'm going to forget about all the terrible things that people what they said about me on the internet yesterday, even though I did fuck up. That doesn't mean I'm going to forget about all the terrible things that people were saying to me yesterday on the internet. I will remember that forever, and that will change how I act forever.

So that was the first couple minutes, and we dove right in. Hey, Diggs said the only thing he's not going to gamble on is the U.S. women's soccer team. That was the first thing we talked about on this show today. Basically, it was Diggs mad about the soccer team losing last night. Probably lost him money. And that's the only thing we can really, you know, set your clock to. It's like our U.S. women's team is going to beat everybody. They lost.

We talked about basketball. Talked about Aaron Rodgers a little bit. Do you have anything to add? I have no news on Aaron Rodgers. Come on, dude. Who does? Tell me who has anything. Well, Ian Rappaport said, and he joined us.

That was what I was about to get to. Ian Rappaport joined us. He broke no news, really. He spread somebody else's news. Congrats to Fred Warner. He just got like 40-some million guaranteed, by the way, inside linebacker. That's the same position this guy played. Yeah.

Well-deserved. Yeah. Absolutely well-deserved. The guy's an absolute freak and seems to be like the yeah the heartbeat of that defense right Aaron said he's the best inside linebacker in the league he said he knows him a little bit better because they train together maybe a connection a cow or whatever but do you know Fred Warner and is he one of the inside linebackers you go like okay this guy's going to be the future of the NFL this is how people are

going to have to play the inside linebacker position and what does this mean for Darius Leonard do you think yeah I mean Darius is obviously paying attention to this I don't know if Ballard should be happy or not like he's thinking hey we oh we're going to get Darius on the cheap like do they think it's going to be cheap now with this 95 million dollars over 40 guaranteed Schefter's put out a tweet immediately after the Fred Warner announcement contract it said Darius Leonard is next and uh that's supposed to be around $19 million a year or something like that. We talked to Chris Ballard, and we asked him,

hey, any of these pillar contracts about to happen? Maybe we'll see. He alluded that there are negotiations happening right now. If you're Darius Leonard's team or Fred Warner's team, you two are probably, I don't want to say talking to each other, but they were probably trying to stare each other down on who goes first, who doesn't go, because now the bar is set exactly where it is. Everybody knows it.

Darius Leonard goes. Congratulations, my guy. Okay, great pool act there, by the way. Zito, great pool there. Massive congratulations to Darius Leonard and to and to fred warner but i wonder if they talk to each other what do you think you think there's conversation between those two teams at all between the teams as in like the front office agents oh agents i don't know like how does that work can you i don't know what are they allowed to do is there things that are tampering

or giving out like it's probably not common to give out numbers on deals that you're currently working on that aren't done yet. So when I was going to go be a free agent, there was a couple other free agent punters that were also going to become free agents. And I got texts from them that was like, hey, are you close to getting your deal done? Is this going to be a long thing? And I ended up signing, I think, day before. I forget when it was. I'd never reached free agency or was ever close, but it was after the season where I was potentially going to go be a free agent.

And I got some text messages from other punters, good punters, by the way, that have been around for a little bit that I wasn't necessarily friends with. They say, hey, are you close? Like, are you, you think you're, you're close to getting this thing done? Because I think there's a potential that there's some places that are waiting to see what you do and then fall in line. I took that as an incredible compliment, by the way, like an absolutely incredible compliment. And I was very, very forthcoming. I was like, it seems like we're going to get something done here in like the next two days, but the GM doesn't necessarily love me as a human.

So this could change. And by the way, at that time time it was very much reciprocated you know in that entire thing so I think we're going to get something done Ursae had gotten involved and started like texting me a little bit you know and it felt like there was going to get something done I was very forthcoming I wonder if Fred and Darius had that same type of conversation because that is too I mean the exact that is the exact situation right there. In the Niners' defense, in the Colts' defense, same situation. Both teams can go.

Both have absolutely balled out and been incredible. I mean, it's just like for those two to be in that position business-wise is a big benefit for both of them, I think. And I hope there was potentially a little bit of intel shared between the both of them. I hope. I don't know if that's even legal, but I hope. I mean, little bit of, maybe a little bit of intel shared between the both of them. I hope. I don't know if that's even legal, but I hope. I mean, it depends how close they really are, I guess.

If you're sharing numbers before, maybe. Who knows, I guess. But now Darius, don't you think he could go and say, all right, we want 45 guaranteed and 100 mil total, and that'll bump me up a little bit from what Werner got, and we'll call it a day. So in the same office that Ballard's in, at the same desk he's probably sitting in,

I was once, a piece of paper was put on the thing and slid across to me, okay? And it was like something like, it was like out of a movie almost, you know, like the eyes to me. If I was Darius Leonard's people, I'd walk right back into that same office and that paper would be going the opposite direction.

I'd just be putting that thing down and Ballard would just be sitting there and he'd be like, okay, yeah, I saw it. I texted Chris. I texted Chris Ballard, by the way. I said, hey, I want to let you know, as we were announcing the Fred Warner deal, it was hard not to immediately congratulate Darius Leonard

on the amount of money he's about to get. I just want to let you know because when he was on, I was like, oh, biggest contract of all time. And he was like, easy, easy, easy. Cause that is, it's a great, that's the business side of the NFL. That is like Fred Warner right now. Even if there was some maybe negative things said to each other on both sides in the pawn star, like thing that happens with players between either their representation and the team, there's some negative shit that gets said and i've actually gotten a chance to hear it because you know i'm a little bit more involved

in a lot of these things than maybe other people and i've been there's been some real shit talk but as soon as that deal is done man life feels so good yeah it's like did i get screwed out of a couple who gives a fuck i got 40 million you know like million. There's that moment where Fred Warner is probably your entire life you worked for this moment. There was probably some. Now, John Lynch seems to be very straightforward, and Shanahan seems to be the same way. But I assume there was a little bit of anxiety maybe when you hear that you're going to get this amount of money guaranteed. What a fucking day. That happened to you as soon as you got drafted.

It was like, all right. $100 million. Hey, here's $500 million because you were great in high school and college. With the old CBA, that's what it was. The first 10 picks, 8 picks got life-changing wealth immediately upon entering the league without even playing a single down. Some guys phased out because of that. Some people could never live up to the expectation of getting more money

than a lot of the veterans that were in the locker room. This guy just fucking broke all the records. That a boy, AJ. That's so hot, AJ. Hey, I want to know, though, Darius, was Darius and his agents, do you think they had similar thoughts for themselves and they saw this 40 guaranteed to Warner and thought, okay, hey, we were going to try to get 60. We're definitely still on track. I wonder where they were at, if this was about what they thought was going to happen. session between Darius Leonard and his people or the presentation and however involved Darius is there's some guys that are very involved there's some guys that aren't involved depending on that

but them putting over like let's say they said 45 million yeah and as soon as the number comes out 40 they're like we told you like I bet you the agents are almost doing like a victory like we hey we are never going to lead you astray okay we told you exactly what it's going to be we are exactly on what if they were wrong though what if they're like we think we can get you 25 million dollars guaranteed and darius he's like who hey see you later hey eight iron huh well you're fucked get off get out of here that is that would be funny to see which way that potentially went there go ahead dicks i just have a little tidbit. When this news came out, my brain immediately goes to gambling.

You guys talked about Aaron. Aaron said he's potentially the best middle linebacker in the league. Well, then he and Darius had a conversation literally a week later. You talk about how the 49ers are probably going to be good. The defense is going to be that team. Plus 9,000. He's the 30th best odds to win defensive player of the year. If you put $25 down like I did, you could win almost $2,300 potentially.

It's good value. Shout out. That's why you always have a degenerate Italian around to get money on that type of situation. Connor, what were you going to say? Well, I was going to say you've got to be pumped for Darius Strickland because he's going to be the top dog. I mean, with what happened with Trent Williams after the Bakhtiari deal, you know he's going to get $40,000 and $10,000 just to be that

top guy ahead of Warner. It won't be less than that. No way. It won't be less than that. That plus $9,000 as he was explaining that, I was thinking about that. That's a lot. $25 for how much?

$22.75, I believe it is. Okay. That's on FanDuel Sportsbook right now? Futures, NFL? NFL Futures player props. NFL defense player there. Last linebacker was Keekly? Yes.

Pat, do you really think, are you capable of placing a futures bet? You know you have no idea nine months from now that you placed a bet. What's this guy on about? What are you talking about? He must forget about the nfl season and also whenever a archaic bet shows up and you're settled oh and it has a fucking green thing on it's like of course i'm from the future dude what are we doing here it's a good time now the live betting is obviously become my thing you know like right before i get a little vibe,

I'm going, I'm hot right now. Not as hard as the hammered down boys, and the hammered down boys are mostly the reason why I'm hot right now. So the information that they leak through their mouths, either off air or on air, kind of gives me the thing. I am not if future is better, but when you get something at plus 9,000 and the guy just got paid the biggest contract in history,

you can look at that a couple different ways. When you get paid that plus 9,000 and the guy just got paid the biggest contract in history, you can look at that a couple of different ways. When you get paid that much money, and I assume this is how Fred Warner is, John Lynch, this is why he paid him. Now it's like, okay, let me go show everybody why I just got paid what I got paid. It's almost like- Let me prove them right. Let me prove John Lynch right that, hey, you were correct in paying me all this money. Yeah, and that'll lead us. By the way, that's why you're such a good host of this goddamn show on Friday. It was better than any show I've ever listened to of ours. So that's a good transition.

Tom Brady actually just said something about that. There are different motivators, right? There's different motivators. There's some people who, you know, we've seen the extremes of it. Michael Jordan, this guy, he made something up, put it on his shoulder, chip on his shoulder. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you is how you're motivated. Then there's some people who look at it in a positive fashion. They're like, I'm going to prove the people that have backed me right. Like, Hey, your support of me has not been, you know, misguided or misfound here. You are right. I'm going to prove you right. That's a very positive way. I tend to have both.

I think I'm kind of a both. Tom Brady also. I didn't know. I'm happy to hear that Tom Brady is also one of those. He talked to Gray from Boston Herald. Oh, yeah, he's the best. Gray? Oh, yeah, Gray, he's a guy.

Gray, first name or last name? Last name. Yeah, so Mr. Gray, Mrs. Gray? Mr. Gray. Mr. Gray talked to Tom Brady, and Gray pumped Brady to reveal the mystery team he called out for going with another quarterback. And sticking with that motherfucker, as Brady said on the shot, Brady didn't bite. There's private things for me that are going to remain motivational for me.

He said, they know who they are. It's fine. Everyone has a choice to choose. Ooh, situations are situations. I think what you realize is there's not as many smart people as you think. Amen. Whenever I read this quote by the way, I was like, God damn Tom Brady. Highlight that. Please highlight that. That is

beautiful. In powerful positions is what he should have continued to say. That's just the reality. I think it'd be a no-brainer if you said, hey, you've got a chance to get Wayne Gretzky on your team. Or you get a chance to have Michael Jordan on your team. Oh, we don't need him. No, thanks.

We're good. Somebody sees you. In my mind, I'm kind of thinking, okay, let me go show those teams what they're missing. At the same time, let me go prove to the team that did bet on me and the team that really showed they really wanted me and committed to me that I'm not going to let them down. Now, with Tom Brady saying that motherfucker and everything we have heard about Tom Brady, let's assume he takes the negative

as much more of a motivator as the positive. But I do like that he has also said and also, Tampa deserves a little. Thank you for everything you're doing. It's a beautiful thing as we get a chance to continue to learn about Tom Brady. The greatest competitor people are saying to ever exist.

I like every once in a while, it's like when a golfer hits a shank. I feel like relatable to somebody that I am not relatable to, and this is one of those moments. Yeah, anytime Tom is relatable, it's cool because he does seem so just everything he does seems to be, I don't know, like he just does things the right way. He's how he speaks. He doesn't seem to misspeak too much.

I don't know what it is about him. He has something. But I think a lot of people probably have a mixture of both. speaks. He doesn't seem to misspeak too much. I don't know what it is about him. He has something, but I think a lot of people probably have a mixture of both. You know guys that are strictly only motivated by, hey, no one's against me. I'm going to prove all the haters wrong. That gets very old very fast. I think it's exhausting too. It's easy to fall into that, and it is pretty motivating to try to prove people wrong, I guess, but I think if you try to do that 100% of the time, you're going to burn out. I agree. I agree.

You have to. Now, I used to be somebody just spurned by spite, you know, like that. I was very much. Powerful. But it's a very powerful thing. You become very committed, I think, and very dedicated. But it is exhausting. And you don't enjoy your life as much that way. Cause now you're literally only looking for the negatives.

That is what you're trying to do in the negatives are the things that are going to propel you to a place that you didn't think you could get without them. But whenever you're seeking the negative, because there's already so much, I think it kind of affects everything you do. You, the,

the, the exhausted thing is a funny way to describe it because it's, that's legit like it is like all right mentally you just tire out i feel like but also i think if you're all negative like oh like hey i'm gonna prove everybody wrong i think there's also at some points there's like there's selfish aspects of that it's hard to be a great teammate when all you're thinking about it's like oh everyone's against me i'm gonna prove them wrong when yeah you should probably also think about your teammates too like how can i improve everybody around me

because we know like the best players the best athletes in any sport they make everyone around them better yeah because that celebration after a win is what it's all about and are you celebrating because fuck everybody or are you celebrating because look what we did you know like that there's there's two different people that i have you know i think we've all seen there's people that are happy after a win because they think a check is coming, you know? And by the way, that's how they got into the NFL. Good for them. That is their motivator.

That is their driver. But then there's people, and I think, AJ, I'd assume you were a part of this crew, as was I, which is what we loved about the whole thing. It's like, hey, man, this is fucking awesome. And it's like there's not even a bit. For a moment in time there, there is zero business thought. There is zero injury thought. There is zero anything. It's that moment where everybody's like, I cannot believe what we were able to accomplish right there.

Like that is, that's a cool thing. And I do believe the people that are only negative chip stackers, they miss those things, I think. I don't think they fully enjoy those moments. They missed it. They missed a good time. Don't you think those are the guys that after the game, they're sitting in their locker, like, cutting their tape off, and they look just super pissed still.

And they're like, I told him. I tried to tell him, like, don't mess with me. I'm like, all right, bud. Well, hey, I'm just trying to give you a little hug, bud. I'm a fucking guy. I'm just trying to give you a hug because I've been cussing at you all week and yelling at you, and this is the only time I show any affection to you. So let me just give you a little hug, bud. We just won a game. No, I told you I'm a fucking guy. The coach is trying to give you a hug because I've been cussing at you all week and yelling at you, and this is the only time I show any affection to you. So let me just give you a little hug, bud.

We just won a game. No, I told you I'm a fucking guy. You should have been playing me. That's exactly right. I told him what I would do. But then this is the question, though, for that person, though. Calm down. I don't think that's – you can't sustain that because then let's say,

what if you do become the guy? Then what? Then you've got to build – you've got to make other, you've got to find other things to come up with. Well, and you didn't even get to celebrate you telling everybody you were the guy. Didn't you start playing football because it's fun? That's what I try to remind people a lot. Like, hey, man, we started playing football because it's fun

and you like to go run around and hit people with your friends. Why are we making this more serious than it is yeah you're supposed to enjoy stuff you know like although hey you lost out on a couple hundred thousand dollars because of a miscatch or a drop or something you didn't have your best game or there are some people they didn't have their and i was i almost felt victim into it there early and then i realized like what a like Vinny would be talking to me and I had a bad game because early I didn't even really know how to punt so if I had a good game or a bad game it was really dependent upon the fucking universe figuring it out because I didn't know why I hit a bad ball and I didn't know why I hit a good ball so it wasn't like like there was no answering like

why why'd you have a good game today well fuck it seemed like I really was hitting it well why'd you have a bad game today I I'm not 100% sure. I'll tell you here in a couple years once I figure it out. What I learned was my drop was absolutely fucking terrible. It was atrocious. So I was hitting a moving target every single time. Got better. Had to learn that through the entire thing because I wasn't really a punter.

But after a couple games, I'd be, like, upset. I'm like, oh, I'm going to get cut. You start getting into that whole thing. There's no reason I'm supposed to be here anyways. Even though we got a big win, we're undefeated. There's a couple games earlier where I was like, no, no, Invinitary was like, hey, now is not the time to think about that. Like, now is, you think about that,

and you will think about that. Invinitary, I think, was like very real with me too. He was like, you will think about this, and you can't continue to have bad games, but right now is not the time. Like, remember that. And that was like a cool moment where I was like, you're right like what the only reason why i'm showing up to do this is for obviously the money but this moment right here nobody really gets to experience

in a lot of other professions it's like that was a cool that was like a very early smack in the mouth almost and what you said to the guy where it's like hey just trying to show you some affection don't talk to you you might as well have a good time. Like there are some people in the locker room that you need to rely on. That's like, Hey, like, Hey, we,

this is a good thing. What just happened? It's weird in there though, because everybody has different motivators, you know, when you were young like that though, like did, were any of the vets,

like would guys look at, look at you and be like, okay, well at least he cares, you know, like he actually cares that he didn't perform well. Cause I mean, I mean,

I don't know how many young guys are in there you know laughing and like trying to find cameras if they didn't have a good game but no that's starting that's i mean like now you you see it more and more now but like when you guys played like i mean was there any of that like well i mean like yeah you can't be pouting and shit but at least this guy cares so i i would assume that maybe i earned the respect of other people because of how bummed I was but I think at that time a lot of people didn't know if I was going to be on the team for a while you know they had Hunter Smith for 10 years Hunter was very good very athletic uh he was very good has a lot of the records had a lot of the records for the Indianapolis Colts and

the the thing about it is that they were an older team and he he was with them for a long time as they grew. So I think there was probably some people that didn't think I was going to be around for a while, but maybe I did earn their respect by being a little bit upset. But whenever I miss in practice or something like that, though, I mean, everybody knows that I'm not thrilled. Chuck had to move an entire practice away from the Huntington Bank kids that got to come to training camp because I hit a shank early and dropped a motherfucker.

Because if I'm trying to do something good and I do bad, I get very, very disappointed with myself. If I'm just fucking around and it goes bad, I've come to the point where I'm like, ah, that can happen. But if I'm trying and I'm supposed to be good and they're paying me to be good and there's people here and I am good and I do bad, like I feel good. So it was an immediate fuck, like almost like immediate.

It was kind of impressive how I would know before the ball even maybe left my foot that it was going to be bad and there was a fuck coming. There was Chuck comes over. Do you see who's standing two feet behind you? Because we're in the back of the end zone. And it was a bunch of kids or whatever, you know. And I was like, well, listen, they came and saw me work, dude. Like this is.

They have a story now. They have a story they can take home. And he moves the drill. Okay. He goes, Jesus. And he just slides the drill up away from them or whatever. But I think like those moments in practice whenever they saw me trying to figure it out,

I think that's where you earn the respect. After the games, you can't act like a jackass. And AJ, you might have a story for this as well. I knew we were fucked one year and we had a pretty good team, but we were fucked. We lost bad. Somebody came on the plane, sunglasses sunglasses on music playing out of their phone and yelled at some somebody that played for our team yelled at somebody else across the plane

that they owed him money from a dice game that happened in the locker room before the game or something like that and i was like well we're fucked huh so nobody even really cares all right this is awesome i was like okay this is cool robert math, this is awesome. I was like, okay, this is cool. Robert Mathis, though, heard it, and he was like, hey, that ain't how we fucking get down around here. It was a pretty, there was a players-only meeting that happened after that, I believe, and the team did well, but it wasn't like, I knew at that moment, this team probably,

and I was lucky to be there. I think the reason why i potentially do okay talking about football is because i was a spectator a fan in an nfl team for a lot like what our team did ultimately if we were losing i was not going to go out there and make a play for us to win okay if we were down in the fourth quarter there was literally nothing that me nor him and me here, Seller in the stadium could do. I'm just sitting there like hoping, like, hey, let's figure this out.

So I think I have that perspective on a lot of things. As soon as I saw that happen, I was like, well, I've been around some good teams. I've been around some great teams. I don't think I've ever been around a team like this. This one's fucked. And it was the next day, players meeting full conversation and that's it there's the after the games you can learn a lot about people you can learn their motivators you can learn maybe what they care about what they don't care about but as soon as you learn that that

person potentially doesn't care that they lost or the team lost or got embarrassed maybe that's when you're like okay this is not somebody we necessarily would love to have on our team anymore i don't think yeah i mean that's the culture thing that all coaches are trying to find a way to build. So it's always good to have a nice mixture of some vets that have been around, have won and lost, and then some young guys that are always going to be coming in. Every once in a while we lose a game and you'd be on the bus about to go to the airport.

You sit on the bus forever, I feel like, after you get out of there on the way game. And it seems like any time you lose, there will always be one or two idiots in the back on speakerphone, super loud. It's like when someone comes on the plane, like you're on a commercial flight and someone is on speakerphone before they shut the door and there's super loud conversation. I'm like, you know, you can just put that up to your ear, bud. If you really need to be on the phone right now after we just got blasted

and every coach is on suicide watch and we're all about to get cut like you don't need to be talking super loud on the speakerphone to one of your family members back home talking about the four plays that you got in on special teams how you got screwed yeah that's that's where you start to like go all right so he's motivated to be here by cash but he doesn't know how to handle himself in this situation, obviously. Do we go talk to him or do we just say, hey, this guy got to get the fuck out of our building? It's a very –

Some guys can figure it out too. Like they're not – if someone does that, they're not screwed. Like I've seen guys figure it out too. They just grow up and you naturally kind of mature. Like, oh, yeah, man, when I was young, I was an idiot. Like that's – it happens. Guys grow out of it. Just like me, by the way, when I was upset after I had a bad game,

but the team had just won, it was like I was a young idiot there. It's like, be upset tomorrow, dude, when you're potentially getting fired. But now is not the time. We've got a celebration to be had here. This doesn't happen often, Pat. And little did they know that just two years later, we'd almost lose every single game. Yeah, we were in the Super Bowl. They were almost undefeated just two years later, we'd almost lose every single game. Yeah, we were in the Super Bowl.

They were almost undefeated just two years later. Almost completely defeated. They were right whenever they said, Pat, we're not just going to waltz back into the Super Bowl. And these wins are not just easy. They were not lying. So I'm very thankful I listened to those fine gentlemen. The after-the-game act. Well, I'll just go through

the after the game routine. So the equipment managers have to move everything out of the stadium that they had to move in. The athletic trainers have to move everything out of the stadium that they moved in. So it's like taking down an entire concert basically but the music

act has to wait for that all to get packed and then it gets driven and then by the way, everything now has to get unloaded into the plane. And it's a lot of shit. That's why these on-location training camps are starting to dwindle down, I believe, because the amount of work it takes. And they probably overdo it. Maybe that's what people say. Don't need this.

Don't need this. What the NFL sends on the road to places is it's so many crates. I mean, it is just one after another it has to be up standard so the after the game routine there's a lot of sitting around hanging around and if you lose if you're in the wrong bus or around the wrong group of people on a bus that is fucking miserable i mean it is a terrible time to be alive especially if you get caught in one of those groups that maybe doesn't care as much and i got this because special teams you know special teams there's normally the buses either offense defense special teams or one two ogs are in one place like there's just it's a very interesting

coordinated thing if you get caught up in a bus that is filled with people that don't care that you just lost and you have to sit in there for like 45 minutes and then you get to the tsa check-in where every all the ogs are not thrilled okay they're not necessarily upset it's just a that's a fascinating time to be alive after those games whenever you have to head back home it's like a five-hour flight maybe i mean it's fucking weird it is the coaches are miserable coaches the coaches are all on suicide what he said the coaches are all on suicide. What he said, the coaches are all, it's almost over. Then they start drinking. It's just getting to the next game is a massive thing. How you handle yourself is a big part of your career.

It's crazy, AJ. It's crazy. It's crazy fucking sport. You talked about that one guy who got booted for rapping on the plane. Did anyone ever get booted just for like shooting the shit after a game or not really caring? I think they just get judged differently, right? Don't you think, AJ? Yeah, they get judged differently differently i guess they pay more attention

and they may eventually get cut it's not like hey you hey you were talking on your phone after we lost you're out of here but no if you continue to do that then most likely you're not going to be a great player either yeah because you're yeah the attention to detail is probably lacking there's probably other things that are lacking if you're self-awareness in those situations now there are some people that don't take losses like super hard there's people who are like professional we got to move on we're we're referring to the people that have no self-awareness anybody that's been on an nfl team knows this person that exists and just be bopping around because they made a tackle on special teams now granted huge night for that person that person got a chance to live out their

nfl dream they got a paycheck they're probably going to get another one they're not getting cut this week which happens to a lot of people so it's that fine balance of like just wait till you get home to celebrate with your family if that's the case if you're that person but the other awkward thing about losing a road game and i don't i doubt as many locker rooms now have it but there was multiple away locker rooms where we our assistant coaches would shower with the players after the game and that doesn't happen anywhere else like coaches have their own locker rooms for at your facility and at home games and then away games if

you lose there's like 14 shower heads for everybody on the team and coach staff and trainers to take a shower so you're shuffling through and you're sitting there and all of a sudden you look up and you know your position coach is next to you and shuffling through and you're sitting there and all of a sudden you look up and, you know, your position coach is next to you and he's just staring at you like, like, are we going to, you're going to sit here and berate me naked in the shower with all these people around you? Yeah.

We may chat about the game a little bit. It's pretty awkward. Yeah. We got to get better. What happened? What happened on that third down? The call just didn't come in or what? I don't think we should chat about this later, coach.

I need a towel. That's awesome. That's real. In my head, I just thought of like an 80-year-old coach we had that was just shuffling down in there. Tom Moore. Yeah. Tom Moore. There was numerous.

That coaching staff, they had some OGs numerous that coaching staff they had some OG's on that coaching staff some retired some have passed away since rest in peace to them and then the other ones were just down there in Tampa winning Super Bowls with Tom Brady they're having a time of their life down there good for them Bruce Arians what he was wearing to that White House

yesterday was fantastic it was absolutely fantastic he did not care at all he just got off the boat yeah and i guess tom brady cut an entire like hot five oh yeah pretty much this guy's the best dude presidential jokes yeah yeah he had a sleepy tom joke yeah a 40 joke i mean this guy tom says i've been here so many times now, let's spice this one up. Yeah, I'm going to open it up a little bit. Did he practice it? Was he reading? No.

No, I don't think he was reading. I think he was off the cuff. Let's go! Yeah, right. He had some thoughts. I imagine he had some thoughts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I assume he had an outline, but that's good speaking. It's great.

At the White House, yeah, I would say it's a pressure-packed situation. You did a great job, Tom. And if he nailed his jokes, too. Think about it. Just in the zone up there. Seventh Super Bowl. Just you know, in there just boom. Hop-a-boom. Hop-a-boom. Tom Brady's the most relatable guy of all time.

I mean, Aaron Rodgers is the coolest guy of all time. Obviously, we saw that at the match. Yeah, that's right. And people couldn't even recognize it early. Throughout the entirety of it, I think we said, oh, fuck, maybe coolest high guy of all time. He's a cool guy. Maybe coolest high guy with massive legs of all time. Right there.

Tom, though, I think he's trying his best to be like, I think you guys had me all wrong. I think as soon as I retire, guess what I'm going to do? Probably just wherever the fuck I want. I'll do Space Jam 3. Oh, yeah, he probably will. And it might be a little different than the bronze but let's keep in mind brady was just in the sp skit talking about rogers the line he had in that i believe was himself same people who were writing sleepy's lines before brady got up there wrote tom's lines okay so don't

get me started about tom off the cuff with all these jokes because there's no way. Okay. He's a hater. Obviously. I'm just telling you. Where is that hater? Look at him. He's got a Matt Jones shirt on. That's right.

I do. And a Patriots hat on. That's right. Let's go, Mac. It's your time. Everything he did for you. I know. Whatever. In the past.

Who cares? Hey, Connor. He's a buccaneer now. I'm not cheering for the fucking guy. Hey, what happened? What do I look like? This is quite a change. What do I for the fucking guy. Hey, what happened? What do I look like? This is quite a change. What do I look like?

You were pulling for the bucks. What do I look like? Yeah, I'm pulling for the bucks because I don't got a horse in the race. I got a horse in the race with the Patriots. I'm not rooting for Tom Brady. Oh, cool. Hey, good jokes, Tom. Really funny, buddy.

Guess what? I don't care. I'm not going to Brady for comedic relief, okay? I am. No, you're not. I am. I'm learning now that I should. I'm not going to Brady for comedic relief, okay? I am. No, you're not. I am. I'm learning now that I should. I'm ridiculous.

You should go to the guy who wrote his joke. I bet Bill Burr wrote Brady's jokes for him. Belichick doesn't have time for jokes. He's got time for football. That's why New England's winning the Super Bowl this year. Sights on seven. I was surprised to see today that for your 50 days

post, you did choose to put up AJ instead of McCorkle Jones. Well, no, I'm not putting up McCorkle Jones because his number hasn't been established yet. No, it's 50. It's in all the pictures. I wanted to put the best number 50 in the NFL's history, AJ Hawk. Unfortunately, he was supposed to help me out with a little video. He said, Connor, go

fuck yourself. I said, okay, maybe next time. That's what you did to Tom, though. Unfortunately, he was supposed to help me out with a little video. He said, Connor, go fuck yourself. I said, okay. Maybe next time. That's what you did to Tom, though. Well, you know, Tom left me. Maybe you get AJ for 47. That's what I said. I said, hey, put that OSU bucket on and let's get after him. That's what I told him, so we'll see if he comes through.

Why'd you tell him to go fuck himself? I told him, text me and remind me. And last night, I didn't do it and he texted me this morning. I was already gone. I didn't. I meant to. I told him, text me, text me and remind me. And last night I didn't do it. And he texted me this morning. I was already gone. I didn't get home until 1130 or something. So I told him that. My bad, Connor.

I don't know exactly if it's going to. I don't. Whatever you want me to do for the video, I don't think it's going to give you the juice that you really think it makes. Yeah, well, you're appearing in it. That's enough juice already. Here you go. I don't think I can bring the juice that he needs.

I'm saying whatever Connor needs me to bring some juice to the video, I cannot manufacture that fake energy for the video, I don't think. Don't need any fake energy. I just need you in an OSU bucket, and I need you to look to the right of the camera and say, there's 47 days until NFL football. That's it. Well, it might be tough because he's in an Ohio State jersey,

so we need you to emphasize, just like Roger Goodell, NFL football. Yes, that's right. Thank you. Like when he was in his basement. Hey, that's TV. I watch NFL football. Every Sunday. Maybe throw a click clack in there, too, for old time's sake.

Is that a Thursday? Because that could be throwback Thursday. Perfect. And countdown. I don't know if it falls on a Thursday or not. Today's 50, so 47 is around Monday. No. Way back Monday, man.

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Okay, okay. I got smartened up to a firmware that we had to change because the thing was getting sent to somewhere and needed to get sent to somewhere else, and it didn't accept our potential firewall and their potential firewall. Our firewalls couldn't get along. So we had to change

our potential firmware, which then led to a couple of our internet, which was like, wait a minute. I think your fucking firewall needs to figure out how to make it work

with our firewall. Yes. Because we took down our, we changed our firewall and guess what? Shit started happening. So we're going back to our firewall. What we need your firewall to do?

Figure it the fuck out. Figure it out. Sounds like a whole bunch of baloney. Yeah, and this is one of those things that I get to be a part of, which is very cool, is these conversations that happen amongst these people who are specialty in different operators of the world. Like, for instance, you talk to a lawyer, like a lawyer is going to tell you something that you are forced to talk to another lawyer so that lawyers can keep lawyers in business. So that is, that is something that just happens in lawyers are needed, right? Of course they absolutely need it. I do believe

that is the case in situations they are, but that whole thing, when you start talking to a tech person and they start getting into their tech jargon with other tech people, oh, man, it is awesome to listen to. Everybody's trying to out-tech the other tech person because there's not a lot of tech wars. There's not a lot of tech games. You don't really get a chance to compete with other tech people about your tech knowledge unless you're in a tech conversation.

If somebody, just like in the NFL, is a casual watcher of said tech game that is happening amongst the tech folks, it's beautiful. But with that being said, it was probably our fault that that thing dropped out because I believe we're having a little bit of an issue with the firmware situation. The firewall still, we still got issues.

I think we're in the middle of transferring over. You can't just do it, I guess. It's not just one of those things that can just like, you can't just pick up the wall and then build another wall. Put a new one. You can't just do it, I guess. It's not just one of those things that you can't just pick up the wall and then build another wall. Put a new one. You can't just build a wall. Really? I guess there is a process to the entire thing.

But it's been quite a little do-si-do with technology behind the scenes. And obviously we're thankful for everybody that figures that out that is much smarter than I am, for sure. And is AJ back? No. So is his. His firewall is starting his router right now. we might have got the fireball the firewall is so good it had the uh game of thrones dragon wall oh yeah nobody's allowed in maybe you gotta call our firewall i think and tell him we can let him back in so that's his firewall then that won't cooperate with our firewall well

i think his firewall can't penetrate our firewall well rightfully so nobody should be able to penetrate our firewall well that's what i'm saying but i think our firewall is Well, I think his firewall can't penetrate our firewall. Well, rightfully so. Nobody should be able to penetrate our firewall. Well, that's what I'm saying. But I think our firewall is having a little bit of a moment where it doesn't want to be friendly

or play well with others. Oh, so it's kind of lashing out, spitting fire at other firewalls. Yeah, but this particular firewall that we have is back, you know, because it was taken out. Oh, yeah.

It was put back into Home Depot or wherever the hell else walls are potentially stored at. Of course. for this other wall that was able to operate nice our firewall is notoriously not nice firewall does not operate well with other firewalls can't be now that we're kind of breaking it down so this might be one of those situations where the firewall is back in the war and doesn't know who's ally and enemy at this particular time. So can we build a gate through our firewall to allow Friendly's ally, A.J. Hawk, into the firewall? Yeah, and we put that gate down over the moat of fire.

Okay. You know, because castles have a moat of water. Correct. And I did attempt at one point to get a moat in my house in Indianapolis and have sharks in it. Of course. Now, this actual phone call that happened turns out pretty expensive. Damn it. at one point to get a moat in my house in indianapolis and have sharks in it it was actual phone call that happened turns out pretty expensive damn it yeah to keep the sharks alive in saltwater in indiana i guess is quite a feat and no contractor i called that was going to going to dig the moat was able to really give me a firm answer on whether or not those sharks

would survive not a very gritty animal well i just think it's certain type of water and potentially with me handling it and there's no sun here so who knows how cold that thing is you were gonna have to i mean you would have been dumping 15 to 20 bags of morton salt into that thing every single day if not like five six times a day i had well water at that same house oh so i did have to dump the salt into the water. Softener. Holder thing. Whatever it was. So I'm not, I'm no stranger to salting up some water.

But I think that was a part of a litany of reasons on why the moat wasn't going to work that particular time. In the future, I am looking at some places that potentially already have a moat in, built in naturally. Yeah, potentially. This is dreams. These are things that you kind of put up on a big board and say, you know what? The moat may be not great in Indianapolis, but this particular house looks like I could get a fucking moat. And that would be pretty cool, especially because I think that's where the pole vault started, right? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I think that's where the pole vault started. Imagine. I might be an Olympian if I have to get out of a moat to leave every single day something to think about but anyways the moats normally water the firewall it's just it is a mode of fire yeah so i'm not sure we can just put a gate down because gates normally would that would burn or not but i think we should potentially put a little spot of the fire where we put the uh we put the fire out you know so aj can come in and then we put the fire back in there. Maybe even a zip line or something.

But what about a river monster in your moat instead of a shark? That show fucked me up. River monsters? Yeah, I can't go in water. I can't see the ground in there. Yeah, it's terrifying. Not that I ever really could. But people love the lakes and everything like that.

You're not going to catch me getting in that goddamn lake. People like to float around or whatever. On river some some fish gonna swim right in your penis yeah that's right in the amazon well it could be anywhere that fish exists there don't you think any potential guys they'll find a new fish out of somewhere like how have we been around this long we haven't seen this fish oh because we know nothing basically down there. I mean, we know less about the ocean than we do space. Which is wild. Space is endless. So what's that say about the ocean?

That is one of those bullshit things that everybody's disagreed upon forever and ever and just said, yeah, that sounds right. It's not. It's not right. We know less about the goddamn space than we do about the ocean. But all the ocean people, which I respect, I love the the goddamn space than we do about the ocean. But all the ocean people, which I respect, I love the ocean. We should invest more into the ocean. It's very important.

But we know a lot about that fucking thing, okay? I've been in it. I'm a nobody who's very dumb. I've been in the ocean. I can tell you how it feels. I can tell you... You know what I can't? Space.

Does anybody know where the hell it is? No. Anybody know what's... No. Maybe. Now that we're finding out about everything going on. So I think that's one of those sayings space yeah does anybody know where the hell it is no anybody know what's it no maybe now that we're finding out about everything going on so i think that's one of those sayings that the super smarts have just kind of spread without really ever thinking about it because it it does spotlight a real issue which is we need to focus on the oceans a little bit more ask your guy what's that ask your guy who avatar has been delayed 37 years

because Jimmy Cameron's been down there trying to figure out the ocean. Well, when Avatar 2 comes out... Which it will. It ain't going to be done like Space Jam. Oh, no way. Space Jam, and it's tough for sequels. Oh, yeah?

Sequels are not normally bangers, okay? Because it's trying to live up to the nostalgia of the first one. And the first one is so good. That's why, guess what? They're making the second one. So you're automatically competing against a movie that was good enough that everybody wanted another one of. So that is a tough feat. Dumb and Dumber tried it.

Dumb and Dumber was a movie that I absolutely love. They tried it like that thing. They should have kept that one in the whole stock. Okay. There's a lot of things we can go on. Anchorman. There is a lot that you can kind of go through in my realm of things. Comedy. There's a couple of bangers though.

Hey, the hangover was able to do it a couple of times. They were able to make magic. Space jam was going to be tough to begin with. And I did catch some of the parts that I slept through the night before yesterday with the wife. Oh, nice.

What'd you think? I will say. All right. I think LeBron should have had a little bit more say in a creative. I think the writers led Oh, nice. What'd you think? I will say. All right. I think LeBron should have had a little bit more say in the creative. I think the writers

led him astray just like his teammates weren't good enough to get him a championship. Okay? LeBron is ready to be a king. LeBron is ready

to be Leonardo DiCaprio. LeBron is ready to do a role that's a little bit more suited for LeBron. Mitt said it best. He's such a good dad, it was impossible for him to act like a bad dad the entire time.

We get him in like a rock-like thing or a LeBron James-like thing, where he's actually the coolest guy of all time, smartest guy of all time, best basketball player of all time. It's impossible for him to play that insufferable of a guy, of a dad. So you're saying he's not a great actor? I think that was a tough feat.

I think that was going to have to be like something that um maybe jim carrey would have to fully transform into okay or that other super method actor that thought he was abraham lincoln daniel day lewis yes for a while which is wild that people do that what was his name uh jared leto there's another guy yes and obviously that has caused some actors to I mean there's a lot of conversations about Joker because of Jared Leto but Heath Ledger was so much into it that they say that kind of changes

his entire life I think for LeBron and that's obviously much further down and this is not something we should compare because they're nowhere near the same actors I'm just saying tough for LeBron to buy into being that big of a douche I think that's my take on it so it's not lebron's fault i don't know i'll tell you what evan you're watching it and it is tough to love but i think i think the writers deserve a little bit more you know blame for why it happened i

think i mean i watched the whole thing last night. And listen, I didn't have high expectations going in. I mean, we talked about it yesterday on the show, basically, that it fucking stunk. But, boy, that was a fucking awful movie. Jeez! It really was. And I like LeBron. I love LeBron.

I'm a LeBron guy. Just, you're right. I mean, the way it was constructed, like the, and not like the, I mean, the first Space Jam was, but like, I mean, they didn't even show the goddamn game. What are we doing? In the first Space Jam, that was like the last third of the movie. In this one, I mean, you get what?

LeBron shoots a couple jumpers, and that's it, and then it's just over, and he's fucking taking Dom to video game camp. Whoa, whoa. Spoiler alert. Sorry. He doesn't have to go to basketball camp. He gets to go to video game camp because bron's a great dad that's i mean that's basically how they end the thing but nobody made it to that point where he's a great dad like i did not make i nope i've tried to see it twice i have not made it to

that part dude haven't seen it yet well you don't waste your time but i mean there's also a point too where late in the game you know like uh don cheetles just ripping dom to shreds he's like hey you're a piece of shit this is your game you stink and you know you can tell he's like hey i just i'm just trying to make my dad proud and they cut to lebron he looks over at him he's like let's fucking step on their necks he says something like that it's just like wait a minute like this guy is a scumbag in this it's not until the last 15 seconds of the movie that it's like hey actually lebron isn't a huge dickhead it was unbelievable that's what i'm saying i think lebron was led astray by the writing and dig said earlier

that he's not 100 sure if lebron watched that knew that he was going to potentially be projected which was wildly aggressive but i think that's what a lot of people are saying about it so do you think like he'd be really good in a role like the way back where Ben Affleck was a booze bag basketball coach and then he kind of helps everybody out? If they do a second one of those with LeBron as the head coach, do you think perhaps the way back to that, they have LBJ in that maybe?

You split the items there. Yeah. That's actually a great idea. That's when the sequel, maybe. That'd be sweet, I feel like. I feel like that would work.

Maybe even better. Yeah, here we go. Wine bottles clanking around all over the courtside. I watched that movie, hey, before Ben was a big time

booze hound and he was a player. Oh yeah. He was KU, didn't he? You could throw it out. He was a player. I think he went to Kansas.

Yeah, he went to Kansas to play with Bill Self. Yeah. Man, happy he? He could throw it out. I think he went to Kansas. Yeah, he went to Kansas. He played with Bill Self. Yeah. Man. Happy he got that thing turned around, though. That was really a good story. LeBron was, I mean, he was casted as LeBron James,

but I don't think that's LeBron James that LeBron James should want to be going forward. LeBron James should want to change his name in every movie and be the same person. It's made a lot of people a lot of money. There's no shame in it. I guess the super thespians might judge you but there are those same super thespians that are playing the same exact roles as well they just happen to be a little bit more dramatic yeah the lebron james lane is those sprite commercials where he's just oh those are good hey where he's the shop when he's just hey he. He's great in there. What they portrayed him as was tough to like, especially because he's LeBron James in present day. So it's like tough to separate, you know, the artist from the art.

Sure. You're telling me he's not a big enough star to go to those writers and say, hey, I need you guys to rewrite it. He's young in the game. He doesn't know. That's what I'm thinking. That is what's interesting is I'm assuming his production company was the one that put up a decent amount of money to get this financed.

So I don't know why the fuck he wasn't more hands-on with this thing. What's that, Diggs? That's the scary part. He just thought he looked awesome. I don't think he read the script. I think he showed up the first day and they were just like, hey, Bron, trust me. It would be very off-brand for LeBron not to have self-awareness. Very off-brand.

What is your deal? I thought you were going to say something about him not reading. That guy loves to read. Oh, you think he read the first page of the script and then the last page of the script? No, he read the whole thing, just like all those other books that they happened to catch him on the first page of. He's running a book club. You guys don't even know. He's out there taking pictures with these books just to let problem he's running a book club you guys don't even know he's

out there taking pictures with these books just to let the lebron james book club know hey this is what we're gonna start reading now he's he's doing a table of contents club okay he's not getting anywhere past what the title of each chapter is okay so maybe he went through the script and just said okay act one seems cool act two act three act four sure fuck it i'll do the movie i don't care but also i think there's a massive chance he thought holy fuck i crushed it i'm the guy i might win a goddamn i don't think that's actor i genuinely do because why else would he do it hey in between these four lines it's work baby that was a real line i agree probably was a real line but don't need uh like if i'm lebron that's why is that the movie we're doing is there not a different avenue we could do in space jam isn't there something with

there had to be some way that lebron could save the world right i mean there had there had to be some way in a bigger way and that just wasn't the case which by the way i respect that lebron was okay with that hey i could be the bad guy oh leBron's okay being a bad guy. So you're thinking maybe instead he delivers like a two-mile Blaze pizza to the world and everyone gets to eat. And he just solves world hunger and everyone gets to eat forever off of Blaze pizza. Bingo. That's a good idea. Because by the way, I've heard Blaze pizza is fantastic.

It's so quick. It's delicious. It's so quick. It could save the world if it had to that's why with every how good everything has basically been that's why i don't understand why the biggest thing in the most promoted thing in the everything that was kind of pushes on the front of everything is not the best thing that i have seen so what do we know though joining us uh after rerunning the internet at his house i think his entire

internet system went down who would have guessed that it was his fault i actually thought it was ours with the way things have been going it was absolutely his fault that the show went off on that entire tangent yeah uh ladies and gentlemen aj hawk what happened i i have no idea you know there's saboteurs all over the place mess with my upload speed. So we'll see what happens. You think somebody potentially went over and just turned off your internet? I think they did remotely from somewhere. Yeah, they know I deal with Connor. They know his conspiracy theories.

So you go down and you try to take us down. Yeah, come on. There's no reason to do that. Just go. You know, I missed a Space Jam conversation. Yeah, it was. Ty watched it. I saw about four minutes of it.

My two oldest boys watched it last night. I saw the part where the ball hit the kid in the face and LeBron said, what, it's my favorite meal or something? Yeah, he looked like a child there. I think they really set him up to look terrible. Don't you think just in the first four minutes that you watched, and we just got off this full discussion, so I don't want to hammer it home too much.

I would like your thought on it, though. LeBron James, highlights of LeBron James in real life. LeBron James' story, basically, through his entire thing. LeBron James' residence present day. It's like, okay, so this is LeBron James. And then that first scene is, oh, this guy's a fucking asshole, dude. Okay, this guy, what is the... That was tough.

I think that was just a tough thing for him to do i respect he's like i'll play the bad guy if that's gonna make a better story but i think the biggest takeaway is like what happened out there braun braun yeah but i i mean i assume there's some kind of story arc where he comes around and he sees the light because i i when i when i end up having to leave the room was when lebron was putting his wave cap on to go to bed, and his wife told him, you need to spend more time non-basketball activities, right? What do you mean?

And by the way, the way that bed is in the middle of that room. Yeah, LeBron would never do that. Why? He just wouldn't. Why? I don't know. He just wouldn't do that. I just didn't buy it.

I said, you know what? You don't think he was playing his character good enough? I didn't. I didn't. A little bronze bedroom wouldn't look like that. Get out of here. What? You didn't like it?

I mean, it was a very odd-looking bedroom. Was there a lot of pictures of himself in it? No, it was just windows. Oh, yeah. That one wouldn't be his. What is your fucking deal? Tony! I didn't know you hated bronze.

I didn't know that was the case. You're not a bronze fan? I didn't know that. You're not, Tony. Don't even try to make something up, dude. Would you not shotgun a beer with LeBron? Tony would have hated it. Foxy, okay.

Foxy is a LeBron. I, by the way, noted LeBron guy. I love LeBron. I do. I do. As a basketball player. Okay. As a basketball player.

Okay. Well, listen. Me too, by the player. Okay. As a basketball player. Okay. Well, listen, me too, by the way. Yeah. And, I mean, he's made some decisions off the court that I think he is trying to piss off people, it seems like, after being around people that hate him and watching him through their eyes. I'm like, oh, I could see why. Oh, I could see why.

Oh, I could see why. But I'm like, this guy, unbelievable, rising as salty. Foxy, have you seen the movie because you're a big LeBron fan as well no I haven't yet it's bad don't do it

and I know that coming from you because I figured you'd find the good in this thing and I haven't heard a single good thing so the animations were so good but they just dumped them all on at the screen

at the same time it was like overload almost of incredible shit but I mean it was it's a shame I guess it's going to lose a bunch of money

outkick is reporting that space jam will not be allowed to be shown in china so that's gonna lose yeah clay travis reported that this morning i'm not sure if it's real or not i just because it is real it's interesting that emperor cena got his to be his film to be able to show in over there but lebron couldn't get his all right so what's so funny aj please take please take nick with you to the next smackdown i can't there he is the um nick is obviously just representing you know some people out there obviously but yeah so i guess they're saying that's going to lose them a couple hundred million over there and um you know that's they wait why can't they play it over there they said no if you What are you going to say?

I don't know all the exacts because I just read, I saw Clay's tweets as I was coming in here, and I was like, that is fascinating, actually. And he was talking about how nobody else was reporting it, so I couldn't really find, because, you know, everything we have to know is coming from something. It's like, all right, is there a counterpoint potentially to this? Or a further explanation?

I wasn't able to do that. But his projections were from wherever he was. I'm assuming he got his information from somebody as well. He just got bought by Fox, I think, a couple, maybe months ago. Congrats to him for that. But he basically said, going to lose a couple hundred million. This movie is going to lose a lot of money.

It's interesting whenever that now is going to get into the Jordan-LeBron conversation, and it's going to lose a lot of money it's interesting whenever that that now is going to get into the jordan lebron conversation and it's going to go that whole thing i mean it is it's a wild time to be on planet earth aj i mean he lebron can still sit back like i don't care if you guys don't like it it was still number one at the box office right opening weekend made 30 some million dollars and if it's not getting into china it doesn't make doesn't i guess become it make as much money as other movies because it didn't get into china that's not lebron's fault is it or is it not in china because of lebron hey china is a china is just that one name china it's like all right there is i mean that's i used to search like florida man

you know on twitter yeah i think right now if you were just to search like Florida man, you know, on Twitter. Yeah. I think right now, if you were just to search China, the things that would happen, it is, I had no idea that hundreds of millions of dollars depended on it. I knew nothing of that when I read it. I was like, I'm like, God, I really know nothing outside of what I know, basically. And what is that now after yesterday, especially? Probably nothing. But I had no idea. If that movie loses $150 million, know that Foxy's documentary about me playing baseball for the Washington Wild Things outperformed that thing.

Yeah. Maybe 10,000%. Yeah, that thing. Maybe 10,000%. Maybe 100,000%. Do we know what the total budget was to shoot the movie? $60 million is what Clay tweeted. $200 million. $60 million is

what it's going to make. So it was $140 million. They spent $200 million on that? You saw those graphics, dude. Yeah, I know. Jesus fucking Christ. million dollars spent 200 million dollars on that you saw those graphics dude yeah i know jesus fucking christ did they are you sure is that a real number that's what i'm saying with the tweets from clay i don't i haven't had anything to really that's all i saw but yeah 200 million dollars and then it's expected to make 60 to 70 million without so it's like 140 it was 150 million production budget and then promotion by

the way was mass probably another 150 you gotta double it right like if it's 200 you got to make 400 almost break even don't you when it comes to like promotional and marketing everything surrounds it yeah so probably not double but i'm sure you got to make a lot well that's what i mean they just said that in really yeah but i think that should be in the cost of making. Shouldn't that be the same? Promotional materials, everything, yeah. Yeah, because that is making the movie. I don't think it is, though.

I think there's the shooting budget, like what it is going to take to actually shoot the movie. On site. Yeah, on site and do all that and post-production and shit like that. And then there's also the marketing budget on top of it. And we don't know what the marketing budget is. He's just probably guessing it was $50 million? Yeah, probably.

I mean, I'm sure it's reported somewhere, I would guess. So as of Sunday, it's made $264 million worldwide. So I think it'll be okay. Okay, so those tweets were wrong. Which is... Huh. It's the internet game. I wonder if China's got something in the works for Space Jam 3.

Like the legend of Yao Ming or something. Like he's going to be doing that over there. Is that if China's got something in the works for Space Jam 3. Like the legend of Yao Ming or something. He's going to be doing that over there. We're not doing LeBron's movie over here. Is that why what you said? Is that why it's blocked in China? Because they want to do Space Jam 3? They want to have their own? Exactly.

It'd be so sweet. Could you imagine that? What do they call it? Like thermosphere game? Instead of like Space Jam. They just make their own version. The Battle of the Thermosphere. China's releasing their thermosphere game in two weeks. It was a business decision.

So they made $200-some million in that first weekend. Smashing success. Yeah, he's good then. Okay, so that narrative, as we alleged earlier alleged early by the way could have been completely wrong well and that's why i like with the hbo max stuff like how how much money do they get from hbo and did hbo max pay them per view on that yeah how's that work with like merch and toys and all that stuff that doesn't go into the bark box head to space yeah yeah it's awesome that's part of promotion though that's wait doesn't it go to does it go to theaters later

and not is it off hbo max coming like in a week it's on hbo max for a month the day it's released and then they pull it and i think it's in theaters as well right now so hbo max was just an option for them to stream through you can license so they can license it for a month or something is that how it works and it probably pay them a certain amount of money per download or per watch because everybody I became, I mean, I went on to HBO Max to watch it. I couldn't tell you the last time I was on HBO Max, so there's probably some sort

of rev share there. Do we know what that money is? Or maybe it was just a fee they paid up front, like $100 million? Well, and I know HBO Max acquired all of the Warner Brothers library, which this was a Warner Brothers movie, so that might have been in that contract. Godzilla and Kong was the last time you were on HBO Max, probably.

Hey. Hey. Oh, King Kong's pretty good. Kong's a beast. Yeah. He can throw the jab at so far. HBO Max is where your boy Jay Piven is. That's where Entourage lives.

I haven't watched it in so long. I've heard it does hold up, though. That's what I was told. It does hold up. That's what Foxy watched it for the first time a couple months ago. Jay Piven had Jamie Foxx on his podcast, I think. Really? Yeah.

I saw it on his... on how you live in jay piven really he's jamie foxx jamie foxx is on there wow why you got a movie coming out i don't maybe that's like tyson is that coming out soon i don't know but he i feel like he filmed it a while ago right so that movie came to be because of that promo he shot, or was that movie already in creation when he was on that radio? I think it was with sway maybe. And he did an entire layout of how the Mike Tyson biopic would start if they were to do it. And then he has a Tyson impression.

I wonder if he was putting that out in the universe to be like, Hey, we should make this movie. I should make this movie. Or was it already in production? I believe it was already in development or production at the time because this has been in the works for quite some time is this like the travolta gaudi thing or no uh yeah i mean they were talking about like scorsese directing it for a while i don't think he is anymore but like this has been getting some juice for a couple years now it's a tv got it did scorsese do that got

a movie it's a tv miniseries says dig scorsese i don't think he did uh tra a tv got it did scorsese do that got a movie it's a tv mini series says dig scorsese i don't think he did uh travolta got it i mean he did e from entourage actually directed that oh which by the way if you watch entourage i believe that that narrative will hold up too on everybody he also did yeah he also did met he in too so well that was what's his no but he was coming out i mean he was a vital role in that movie. No, he wasn't directing it. Yeah, he was the... You said Jamie Foxx and Jeremy Piven have a movie coming?

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