The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 461 - Aaron Rodgers' Press Conference Reaction, Jerraud Powers, Trent Dilfer, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: July 28, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about Aaron Rodgers being back at camp and react in real time to Rodgers' press conference addressing where he's at, how everything got to this point, his thoughts on the future, and the current state of the Packers. They also look around other locations in the NFL including Xavien Howard being unhappy with his contract situation with the Dolphins and requesting a trade, and Deshaun Watson showing up at Texans camp but removing his jersey, and much more. Joining the program to chat about the Rodgers situation, the Xavien Howard and Stephon Gilmore situations, and to share a few stories is 9 year NFL veteran at DB, one of Pat's former teammates, and former member of the Cardinals and Ravens, Jerraud Powers (22:52-46:59). Later, after Pat and AJ Hawk chat about Aaron's press conference and what it means for the Packers right now and in the future, Super Bowl Champion, 14 year NFL veteran at QB, and current Head Coach of Lipscomb Academy, Trent Dilfer joins the show to chat about how the Packers got to this point with Rodgers, why that whole situation is a mystery to him, if he thinks Aaron will ultimately stay in Green Bay, and how important it is for teams to let the Quarterback have a say in situations that directly influence the outcome of his job (49:02-1:34:16). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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hawk will join us in the next hour from some room in an airbnb that he was catfished into getting with his family this week he's working on the the road, which we do appreciate. Can't wait to chat with him about what he potentially heard from Aaron. Okay. And maybe, does he have any inside information on the whole situation, cooking in Green Bay? Were some of the ex-players that are on TV and on Twitter and everything that said the locker room ain't going to respect Aaron Rodgers after what happened? Was that accurate?

Is that how it went down yesterday? Saw some pictures of him on the field this morning, looking good, throwing it around. There's also a couple other players that are on the field right now. Deshaun Watson's down in Houston, okay? He showed up to practice, is in the building. The new CBA makes it basically impossible financially to hold out if you're uncomfortable with the situation you're in. Now, that situation between Deshaun and Houston is uncomfortable in a lot of different fashions, including legalities. Now, we did hear that Lisa Friel from the NFL went in and investigated, and an investigation is ongoing from the NFL. But after Lisa Friel talked to some people

in the situation, they chose not to suspend or put him on the exemption list, which wouldn't happen until the season. Whatever. The Deshaun Watson situation, legal-wise, is nowhere near figured out, I don't think. But football-wise, we're right back at the point we were a few months ago where Deshaun says, hey, Houston, thanks for everything. I don't want to play here anymore. So now we got the outside pending factors happening, the legal ramifications of 20-plus very serious accusations. But now he has to be on the field because houston

hasn't traded him and if he holds out it's a fifty thousand dollar a day fine so he has to be there he took off his uh jersey they said before quarterback center exchanges before practice by the way this video is before practice though this is like a warm-up period before you know i mean like the practice hasn't really got into it. We will update everybody as we are updated on the jersey situation for Deshaun Watson in Houston at training camp. How the hell does this one play out? None of us know, both on the field and off the field.

We'll keep an eye on it. But this is nowhere near, in my eyes, the runaway winner for awkward situation on the field-wise. Last night, Xavier Howard, cornerback for the Miami Dolphins, who signed the biggest per year deal of any corner in the NFL three years ago in 2018. Now, since then, he has dominated at corner. He has proved his worth, and he has become now the second highest paid corner on his own team he was upset about that he wants the dolphins to take care of him there was conversation about him potentially

requesting a trade or asking for a trade last night we got a statement from Xavier Howard that said hey give me the fuck out of here now he said in this entire statement he basically said I've given my heart and soul to the Miami Dolphins for he didn't basically say this is now he said in this entire statement he basically said i've given my heart and soul to the miami dolphins friend he didn't basically say this is what he said and i didn't know if i was gonna be able to read it on the screen with how far away the screen is i can so we might as well read it to get everybody else's potential full take on this as well so you know the entire situation so you can judge it so whenever i say what i'm gonna say about the situation you can be like a prop that is probably how it's going. Or kind of judge for yourself.

You know what I mean, Todd? Yeah, sounds good. You know what I mean, Connor? Absolutely, Pat. I have dedicated. Nope. I already fucked it up. I've given my heart and soul to the Miami Dolphins franchise since they drafted me in 2016.

And I want to make it clear that I love my teammates. Wow. Good to know. Aaron Rodgers said that with Kenny Mayne on Kenny Mayne's Last Sports Center. Now you can see Kenny Mayne on Peacock with Kerry Champion on Olympic Nightly. Have you guys watched? Yeah. I've seen a few.

Good show. Yeah. Back to Xavier. They are my family, my teammates. But what I've learned is that the business side of the NFL proves organizations don't always have a player's best interest at heart. Okay, so this goes exactly to what I was saying yesterday about all these ex-players that were coming after Aaron and saying things about what Aaron had done because in the locker room, you realize that it is a business. That is what this is and as you grow older in the NFL, you realize it more and more and more. You are the object on

the table that that bald fuck Rick in Las Vegas is trying to fuck over the other people that are trying to sell it in Pawn Stars. Okay. That is how it goes. You can sit on the shelf. You can have some dings in it. It might be a niche market. You will be told those things. It is a business. It is Pawn Stars and you are the thing being pawned in between rick who's trying to fuck somebody over and somebody who probably just has to sell something so they can pay some bills true yeah never gets talked about by the way now i went through an entirely deep pawn stars run and by the end of it i was just like this guy has fucked over 2 000 straight people oh yeah at least and uh and I've kind of been proud of them.

I've kind of been like, hey, go away. Hey, good swindle there, Rick. Good work. Good swindle there, Rick. Those people coming back in, seeing how much he's selling the stuff for afterwards. How about just watching the show? I bought this for $6.55. I'm going to be able to sell this for $7,500.

It's a pretty good day today or whatever. You know what I mean? Couldn't buy it at his price, $10. Had to get it at $6. But we will sell this at $7,000. I's a pretty good day today. Couldn't buy it at his price, $10. Had to get it at $6. But we will sell this at $7,000. I'm like, good business, I guess. But then after you watch so many, and I went through an entire binging session,

I started feeling terrible for the people that were getting kind of stooged around. Anyways, that's what's happening whenever you're a player, though. At a different level, different things are being talked about. It's not Civil War guns that only one person is an expert on who happens to be a friend of Rick's. True. I didn't think about that.

That guy's got a good gig. Oh, yeah, I've got an expert right down here. Family friend, known him for years. Tell him. What is your expert on? I've read a lot of books. I've given myself a PhD in this thing. They always look like the most disheveled humans of all time.

A lot of butts. Rip them. Hey, he knows, though. He knows that this gun can only be sold to probably two people on Earth, and both of them are dead. So it's going to sit on Mark for a long time. He's going down. All right.

A couple of dings in it, too. Yeah. Best I can do is $15. Sorry. $17.50? $15. Sorry. $17.50? $15.25 maybe. I mean, I got to sell this thing. Cash.

Right now. Cash. Got it deal. Turns around to the camera person behind him and goes, just bought this for $15.25. I will sell this for no lie, $75,000. This is a one of one. That person just got fucked over completely. But the expert said, we got the000. This is a one of one. That person just got fucked over

completely, but the expert said we got the gun. See you later. Pretty good morning. Hey, that's business, baby. That's right. And that's what the NFL is. It is a business, and Xavier Howard said it feels like they don't have the player's best interest at heart. My experience with the Dolphins the past few

seasons has taught me that. In 2018, I signed an extension that I'll admit I didn't completely understand or feel comfortable with. Okay, so I'm not 100% sure what this means. And a lot of people, including myself, will say, Xavier, it is your fault if you don't understand the full contract. Now, follow up to that. The contracts in the NFL are loaded with a litany of clauses and sub things and this and that because the amount of lawsuits and litigation and fuckery that has happened in the past

that adds to all contracts and makes it be you know whatever 75 pages long how is that what we need to sign it happens everywhere not just in the NFL but these contracts that people sign very in it's, it's not something that a lot of people say, you should never sign a contract that you haven't read all the way through. It's like, well, some of these contracts, I think they literally make it tougher to read than the goddamn Bible. All right. It's going to be if somebody, we might get a deal done. And then for me as somebody who never read a book, okay. And I'm like, Hey, I mean, kind of proud of it because I got through a lot. But I don't think other people should do it. You should read.

I was never able to do it. I read a lot on Twitter or whatever. But they make it impossible to read. If we were to get a deal done, then you're to read the entire contract that a team of lawyers put together for another team of lawyers to read, like, separately. It might take you four or five weeks to get through that thing. I mean, literally with asking questions and then going back and saying, what is this? So you have a lot of trust and faith in the people that you hire to read

through these things. Xavier had that with his ex-agent, and it made him the highest salary per year cornerback in the NFL. Now, what does that mean? That obviously, when they say salary, that means they're getting rid of the bonuses that other people are probably getting, maybe roster bonuses or anything like signing bonuses that could make the money big. But the deal he signed, I don't know what he's alluding

to, to not understanding. I think that is more so him bashing his ex-agent, his ex-representation for not fully explaining to him what was going on. And that very difficult, I can't stress this enough. Law shit is very difficult to read. It is the words and then there's checkbacks and then there's follow-ups and then there's, it's very difficult to read. I think a lot of people who maybe didn't go through law school to learn all the bullshit that they add into these contracts so they can keep other people that went through law school in business. I think like it's going to be difficult to be able to read through it and understand it completely. So everybody's immediate reaction is to want to shit on Xavier and Howard.

And I will say, you should, I guess, because in theory, this is something he should fully understand. It is his life. It's the most amount of money. But it is damn near impossible for somebody who's just a layman to go through a contract and fully understand it. So I think that was more so a shot at his ex-agent. He has new representation now.

Maybe he didn't know when the outs were. He didn't know when the money was coming. He didn't know what it was, how it was. It wasn't explained properly, and he didn't fully understand it. That might be what he's referring to. But I think everybody's natural reaction is to shit on him there. And I don't think that is necessarily as fair as it should be coming from a regular-ass dude as somebody that has been in the world. Let's get back into his message now.

I'm one of the best cornerbacks of the NFL. Oh, I played on that deal for two seasons and didn't complain, but everyone knows I've significantly outperformed that deal. I think he had 10 picks or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's unbelievable. He gave up zero yards, I think, for the first four games of the season last year. He's an absolute stud.

He's top corner in the league. In his eyes, in everybody's eyes, he's at least top three, top five or whatever. We'll talk to Gerard Powers, by the way, out of Auburn, and also a former teammate of mine for the Indianapolis Colts. He was also at the Arizona Cardinals and the Baltimore Ravens, I believe. Knows B.A. well. We'll get a chance to chat with him about the Buccaneers and Xavier Howard in this entire situation. But Xavier Howard would continue to go on.

I'm one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, and the tape backs me up on that. I want to clear up a few misconceptions about my situation. My agent, David Cantor, and I have never once asked for a completely new contract. We would just like some things altered a little bit. We wanted things to work out with the Dolphins and brought solutions to the table, like guaranteeing more money, that we felt were win-wins for both sides. These were proposals of adjustments that wouldn't just make me feel more respected, but were also cap-friendly, but the Dolphins refused everything we proposed. That is why I don't feel like the organization has dealt with me in good faith.

I don't feel valued or respected by the Dolphins, just like they can take a business first approach. So can I, dude. That's why I want to make it clear. I am not happy and have requested a trade. Until that trade happens, I'm just here so I don't get fined. Shout out to Marshawn, by the way, on First Take this morning, dropping, hey, they both bullshitting on there. And will handle myself like professionals do. Xavier and Howard has made that statement. Now the whole situation is I'm just here. So I won't get fined. Marshawn Lynch was doing that for media day, Superbowl on a Tuesday with a bunch of people.

He doesn't know Xavier and Howard said, Hey, you're going to see me. All right. Making plays. You're going to see me in this practice. We'll be out there. You're going to see me.

I'm not here though. Like I'm here, but I'm not here. I'm in these meetings okay in the room with somebody that they're paying more money to on my own team somebody that is hey i love my i love my teammates okay i'm here but if somebody wants to motherfucking come get me out of here i would be very very thankful for that and when you see me around it ain't no go dolphins ain't fins to the left fins to the right no no no i'm just here because I know that it is $50,000 a day. And I'm pissed about money to begin with.

I'm not going to start giving it away. So if somebody wants to come get me, let's do it. A lot of teams saw this. A lot of fan bases saw this. And we're like, hey, get him to our squad. Get him to our team. I don't know if the Dolphins are going to be in that. I guess B-Flow came out this morning and said he thinks that it is fixable.

Is it? Is it not? That's a lot of drama down there in Miamiami though especially after the big payment for kyle van noy then cutting kyle van noy paying kyle van noy to play for the patriots this year it's crazy what's going on down dolphins when it felt like they were potentially on the precipice of real success too with the nfc or afc is kind of going the way it's going for sure in situations like this do you think teams more often than not, when something like this happens, their first reaction is,

okay, let's trade him? Or do you think with a guy like him, it's let's try to get this figured out because we really don't want to lose him before the season? Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers, right? We just saw it. Right. Their initial was we ain't trading him. Yeah.

And now they're still we ain't trading him. But we do got to figure this out. Xavier is a player, right? And corners, corners, if you got a guy that can just shut down everything and we'll talk to once again, Gerard powers, who was a corner, he'll have much better understanding of why Xavier is the way he is, what team he would potentially be great on and how he'll figure this entire

thing out with Miami. I'm excited to chat with him about that. Haven't talked to him in a long time. He looks good, by the way. He told me earlier, I can still play today. Okay, so. Come back. Corners always have that mentality,

but they are like the greatest athletes on the field, too, because they have to react to the greatest athletes on the field. That's what everybody, that's kind of the old, you've got to be in good shape. You've got to be fully committed. You've got to be all the way in there. And if you're a corner, you know you're not going to be able to do that. Okay?

That's a position you're not going to be able to play at the top three in the NFL for 15 years. You're not going to be able to do it 10 years. There's a window where you're one of the guys. Okay? There's a window at the corner position where you are one of the guys. Naturally, your body is going to change and you're not going to be able to do the same shit. You're going to be able to be smarter,

but there'll be somebody younger that'll come in and they're like unbelievable. It is a freak athlete position that age does catch up to you. You're not necessarily going to make you a non-NFL player, but whenever you're one of the guys, your body is one of the guys,

which this guy is, you have to be able to cash in on that business-wise because you have no idea how long that window is going to be. That's where X is. The Miami Dolphins are saying, hey, we signed you to this deal or whatever. At the time, you were happy. So this is the classic Pawn Stars. This is exactly what I was just referring to. And I have, I mean, B-Flow saying that we can work this out,

seems like the only way they're going to be able to work that out is if they give them more money. Right. And if that happens, congrats to X. Hope everything works out. But if you're a Dolphins player, you're like, hey, X, we want you on this team bad. Need you.

Hey, hope they pay you, brother. Hope that happens. You're an unbelievable player. So same with Jones, right? Jones is the guy on the other side of the pay? I think he's the highest paid. Yeah, he's the highest paid guy, and he's more paid than old buddy is

right there. And he said I love him, though. But his life is a lot easier, by the way, whenever X is on the other side. I mean, everybody's life is a lot easier with him in there, and that's how his teammates feel. I do think Ramsey might be the highest paid now, but Xavier Howard in that little article said

in good faith. You talked about that yesterday. Do you think the Dolphins may be set in the contract? Hey, depending on how you play, in good faith will reward you, and now obviously they're not doing that. Yeah, if you can prove that somebody's not in good faith, it's considered a breach of contract. But proving that is a – Impossible.

Yeah. And they can delay those, and they can be – Like it is – That's one of the funniest things that and they can be, you know, like it is. That's one of the funniest things that was added to contracts, I bet, in my eyes. Because it's like a human aspect being added into a contract. Like you're adding in that a human is going to act like a human. Right.

Like, hey, in good faith, we'll talk a couple years, see if we're fucking you over or not, you know? And then you got to just, you got to hope that either that person's still there or that person is not just a complete scumbag. Actually in good faith. Yeah, yeah, because what is in good faith? There's different levels of in good faith. Sugar Sean said that people said Conor McGregor crossed the line. Well, the line is only in the eyes of the judger, right? So what is in good faith to who? You Well, the line is only in the eyes of the judger, right? So what

is in good faith to who? What is considered in good faith in whose eyes? Those contracts are a real... I talk about them a lot, I think, here because it's a real thing. The business side of the NFL is so real. And also, I have to stare at a lot of them at this point. It is a racket. Contracts in of themselves are a racket i think it's interesting too because like i you don't really think about it as like a fan but you look at a guy like patrick peterson who like is exactly what you're saying like i mean obviously he's still a stud but like he was the guy for you know six years and then now he's playing on a one year deal in minnesota like i wonder if these guys see that and it's like, okay, I really do have – this is my window.

I cannot not capitalize while I'm at my physical prime. Darrell Rivas was able to do it the best business-wise because he was able to cash in in one-year or two-year fully guaranteed deals and then move on, and he continued to ball. Right, yeah. He continued to ball. I think he got like four of those contracts. In New England, he got one-year 14 mil in 2014, and then you got another massive contract right after that yeah 20 some mil or whatever

somewhere at the jets i think it's like that is now being daryl revis is a good business model yeah right so if you could be daryl revis that's what you want to do do it but if uh if you could do that but him he kind of laid the blueprint i think for what a lot of guys in a lot of positions are going to start doing now if you saw a lot of one-year deals this year now was that because the salary cap took a bit of a shot because of the covid thing maybe but is it also because guys are like hey i want to be able to move i want to be able to go places because there's a lot of money off the field now yeah there's always been a lot of money off the field for some people in some positions with the gatekeepers of the marketing

companies deciding who gets it and who doesn't now there is a lot of money to be made in other professions uh in earth or on earth that are very much in the realm of what basically all these guys in the NFL that could potentially go make all the money can do no problem. So I think that temptation of potentially having off the field, you know, business being built while you're in the league, you know, is going to start becoming something that a lot of people start thinking about because there's a lot of money to be made doing that. And if you're on a bad team, that doesn't get a lot of primetime games. I think a lot of guys are going to want a little bit more nimbility with their contracts and everything like that. So a lot of one-year

deals, a lot of two-year deals. Now, granted, you also have the 10-year, $500 million deals. But I think you're going to see a lot of shorter deals for guys i think we're going to start seeing a lot more short deals i hope at least because for us that gives us something to talk about yeah and also that gives a lot of potential for guys that link up or potentially this ain't working yeah i mean go somewhere else i mean there's a lot of shit to talk about for us as selfish as selfish uh sports shows well and for quarterbacks those contracts are a little different just because you need that guy, and if you got one, then you hang on to him for as long as you fucking can.

But are there force majeures in the NFL contracts? There's going to be now, dude, I assume. With COVID, COVID has implemented force majeure, I think, in everything, which is it's like if something happens, COVID. Void. Then nobody has to pay anybody basically yeah it's a very interesting thing which saves a lot of people's asses but there's gonna be like seven eight i don't know with the way the world's going right now i should never

dance on the graves of too much but let's say in seven eight years from now people have kind of forgotten about like maybe the world's let's say 10 years 15 years then let's go 20 years okay people have forgotten about you know the world can stop like everything on earth can stop what do you mean everything everything on earth can stop drop of a hat no no way everything everything on earth everybody can be everybody can be told go to their fucking rooms everybody on earth can be told hey you need to go to your fucking room. That can happen, you know? And then there will be contracts signed by those 21-year-olds or 22-year-olds

that are in a contract negotiation. And that force majeure thing will be in there and it will be like, what does this mean? Don't worry about it. It won't happen. Well, what's it mean? It says right here clearly, you don't have to pay me if this happens. Well, I should know about that, right?

Yeah, don't worry about it. Whatever. In good faith. If the world stops and somehow no money is made, we don't have to pay you or whatever. Oh, that's never going to happen. That kid's going to say it. Yeah, immediately. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. Boom. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then all of a sudden, fucking COVID-27 comes in. Oh, man. Oh, what's up, bitches? Back. They're calling me the greatest since 19. And then all of a sudden fucking COVID-27 comes in. Oh, man. Oh, what's up, bitches? Back!

They're calling me the greatest since 19. That son of a bitch. That cannot happen again. Cannot happen. Ever. But Force Majeure is going to be in a contract forever because of it. I assume it was in there before, but now everybody's like, hey. Before it was just like act of God and stuff like that, right?

Yes, all that shit. I mean, in every contract you look at, there is some fucking asterisk or something because at some moment in the history of this company, somebody got fucked over because of this. And it's like, all right, so you got to go through however long this business has been around and also other businesses. And then all those things are in there what is this for it's like that um you know that commercial uh farmers insurance commercial yeah where the guy in it oh with the uh yeah like squirrel falls into blah blah blah fire blah blah we we can cover it yeah because we have yeah whatever that whole thing that's basically what contracts are and they

just get stacked on the back end of it it's like if a squirrel crawls into your kicking foot and you it dies and you get sued by pita we do not have to pay for that even if you're on indianapolis colts property it's like okay clear i'll stay i'll keep my eyes peeled but that is it's not that exactly but that is the type of shit that is in these contracts so when somebody says i didn't fully understand the contract. It makes sense. It can happen, even to the smartest people. I think joining us now, a very intelligent man. Oh, yeah.

Big old brain on this guy. Okay. He went to a college in Alabama that wasn't the University of Alabama. Oh, really? Yeah, think about that. Oh, so not real tight. Not War Eagle. A little bit of respect.

He once got bit by the dog diner in Georgia. Ugga? Yeah, he broke up a pass. Oh, yeah. And did one of these, flexed on it. And the dog said, what are you doing? He was drafted in the same class as me to the Indianapolis Colts. Played for the Indianapolis Colts, then I think the Cardinals,

then the Ravens, I believe. Legendary cornerback, ladies and gentlemen, Gerard Powell. Yeah! Oh, look at that house! Wow. Look at that house! Oh, relax, relax, relax. I don't have the 20 acres that you got that you can just go outside

and punt 80-yard footballs all day and kick balls. True. A little house. Well, I mean, if you spend all the acreage building the house, I mean, that is what's going to happen. That thing looks massive. You deserve it. Congratulations. It's great to see you again.

I told you earlier whenever I FaceTimed you, you look unbelievable, dude. You didn't get fat at all. It looks like you're still in really good shape. I'm pumped for you. You look unbelievable, dude. You didn't get fat at all. Looks like you're still in really good shape. I'm pumped for you. No, well, I got three sons. The only thing they want to do is go outside and run. So that's my cardio every day. So it's been working ever since I retired.

So everything's good right now. All right, let's dive into it. Let's dive into it. So at corner, it's like greatest athletes on the field, right? I think most NFL players would agree with that. Most football players would agree with that. Like, hey, the corner is the most dynamic athlete we have because they're being tasked with reacting to the greatest athletes

at all times. With this Xavier Howard situation, and then I went back to Darrell Rivas, corners know that there's only a certain window that your body is going to be able to be a top guy for, right? Like that is something that is very understood. And is that where Xavier is coming from here, you think? Yeah, I mean, I think he's just at the point of his career where he knows he's in the middle of his prom. I mean, you get 10 interceptions last year and the number one corner on the Miami Dolphins.

I think he just knows his value and everything that's going on right now. And he's just trying to find the best situation to capitalize the most that he can. Right. Well, while he has all the leverage. And when you look at the situation in Miami with floors and, you know, they've done a good job of turning that organization around. But, you know, everybody knows the New England type guys. It's a certain way of how they, you know, run their organization. And I don't think Xavier is really fit for that, that model or that style. So I think that's why he's voicing his opinion about wanting to get traded and just put in a better situation

that just fits his style. So I think he's doing a good job. I mean, if I'm coming off of a year with 10 picks, shoot, I'm gonna try'm going to try to shake some things up too, get ready to get another bag and ride this thing going out. I would as well, and especially if I played corner. We're talking to eight-year NFL vet Gerard Powers. He was drafted, what, third round? Third round, yes, sir. He came out early too, right?

Yeah, came out early. Came out early in the old tough SEC. Oh, Jesus, the SEC. What are you guys doing? Are you guys trying to buy every school, by the way? Is this what we're doing? You guys are just going to take all the big names from every conference and try to make a –

No. No, we're like the pretty girl of the bunch. Everybody wants us. Everybody wants to be a part of our party. You know, we're not searching for anybody. We don't need it. We really don't need to add anybody. You talk about Texas and Oklahoma.

They bring value. Fan bases, their historic organizations that they have in themselves. You add that to the SEC, it's just going to make it even better. Auburn's never going to win.

You guys are never going to win. Auburn's never going to win again. You guys are dead in the water. What? You guys are dead in the water. Oh, my God. That's another topic. We can wait. We can wait until Saturdays to start talking about that, but we're going to shock some

people this year. Harsin's going to do a good job, and we're going to shock people this year. All right. Saban just signed to, what, 2030 or something like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saban just signed to— Tell his death, I think. I think he signed. Lifetime deal. I think like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Saban just signed. Tell his death, I think. I think he signed.

Lifetime deal. I think he did. Yeah, he said, deathbed deal. Right. I will opt out of this on my deathbed. Hey, War Eagle down there, Droll. Let's get back to the NFL, though. You're a great teammate, great corner.

At what point in being a corner do you realize, like, there are some places you'll do great there's some places you won't like are there certain places that if Xavier goes to he knows he'll be great in are there certain defenses that he should want to go to is there places that are definitely interested in Xavier in your eyes you think yeah I think uh I think it's just one of them situations you know like for instance this is like with us, you know We got drafted. We was a pollient. We're a polly and guys So when you come into the league as a rookie and all that type of stuff

You're only gonna be accustomed to what you know, and that's obviously your draft team But when you look at Xavier, you know bands Joseph was the the guy that drafted him in Miami He was his DC and you know with him being in Arizona I you just think that's the perfect fit, you know, where he can go. And then you look at Arizona situation, you know, you you let Pat P walk out. So corner is a big need and a big spot that you're looking to feel on your defense. And so why not try to get one of the best corners in the league who's coming off a hell of a year, you know, with the 10 picks? And then he can be reunited with the coach that

actually drafted him. So it won't be like you're drafting a guy that has to learn all these new systems, these new terminology, you'll be drafting a guy that knows the defense already, and is playing at a high level. And, you know, with Arizona, you know, you sign JJ Watt, you know, you're putting all your chips in a basket, you sign AJ Green, you're putting all your chips in a basket. You sign A.J. Green. You're putting all your chips in a basket to try to win this thing this year. It's not like a rebuilding process. So it's just one of those things that you would think that if we can get Xavier Howard to fill that cornerback role, you know, it's going to put our defense over that hump that we need because you're

definitely going to need a lockdown corner. I mean, you got D.K. Metcalf. You got, you know, you got all these top, you got the Vikings week two, you got all these top receivers that you're going to have to face week in, week out, you know, with Matt Stafford over there with the Rams and all the receivers that they got. So you just know you're going to have to have some elite level cornerback play, you know, on your defense to hold things down. And I just thought, you know, Xavier Howard would be a great fit in Arizona if they can make that happen.

Yeah, and you tweeted to Pro Football Focus after they said that that would be a dream scenario for both sides. You said that Miami actually offered them this trade earlier this year and the cards turned it down. Is that real? How do you know that? No, that's real. I got a source that's certain that.

That's real. Now, I don't know if it was like the the paperwork of the trade or however it worked but i do know miami reached out about trying to do a player for player deal uh with chandler jones and then you look at chandler jones who was he drafted by a new england guy right floors was there so you just think that you know it'd fit with chandler jones going to miami but that did happen early in the year. And, uh, and I think with the Chandler Jones requesting a trade and everything, it kind of blindsided Arizona a little bit just because they weren't expecting

anything like this to happen. But, uh, Arizona was in a good spot. You know, you had Hassan who I think, uh, signed with Carolina,

who was, uh, you know, their number one draft pick a few years ago, you could assign him to a minimum deal, not a minimum deal, but assign him for lesser money and got Xavier and Howard ship Chandler to Miami. And everybody still would have been happy. You still got J.J. Why you still got another pass rusher and all that.

So I thought it was just a good a good fit and a good scenario for both sides. But that was earlier in the year when they tried to do that. And my my source that I have now are saying that Miami's just looking for a future one for Xavier right now. So I don't even know if they even want Chandler anymore, but they're looking for a future one for him. So, you know, some way, somehow, if you're trying to win a Super Bowl right now,

I think he's worth the future one. Like, it don't got to be next year. It don't got to be this year. You know, it can be down the road. But if you're trying to win right now, I think he's worth the future one. It don't got to be next year. It don't got to be this year. It can be down the road. But if you're trying to win right now, which everybody is, you look at Tampa and the things that they did with signing guys, with Tom Brady, they're putting all their chips in the basket. Nobody got time to rebuild in the NFL anymore.

He's going to want a new deal, though, Gerard, right? He's going to want a new deal. That's what he's going to want, though. So that goes along with the future one. So it will be a future one and a new deal, though. He's going to want a new deal. That's what he's going to want, though. So that goes along with the future one. So it'll be a future one and a new deal immediately on there. But with the way the salary cap is now, nothing matters. Do you see what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers do? No, nothing matters.

The salary cap doesn't matter anymore. Nobody realizes it yet, but the salary cap does not matter. There's so many loopholes, Gerard, at this point. That's my whole point there's so many loopholes that you can you can get a deal done to where it's in your favor or both it works for both sides uh all these gms i think have figured it out and uh done a good job in doing that like i don't want to keep bringing tamp up obviously but you look at jason the gm there i mean tamp Tampa we weren't talking about Tampa being a contender

Super Bowl none of this a couple years ago and these guys found a way to make it happen all of a sudden so I think everybody needs to kind of take on that blueprint and if you can get guys that can come in and help your team right away you damn sure better do it or you might not have a job next offseason if you don't win so it's just one of those things and you look at Arizona I mean you know they got talent I mean you look at their roster they got talent. So it's just one of those things. And you look at Arizona, I mean, you know, they got talent. I mean, you look at their roster, they got talent, man. And it's just a matter of putting the right pieces together. And it's just all going to fall on the front office and the organization and making sure they're doing what they got to do to make sure this team is in position to win. Because, you know, like I always say, if Russell Wilson is

still in Seattle, they got a chance to win an nfc you look at the rams they they went to the super bowl a few years ago and now you got matt stafford and all that so you got to put them back at the top so if you don't do something as an organization just to keep up and and keep bettering your team you're gonna fall fall to the wayside no matter who's on your roster so you gotta think we gotta win. Gerard, before the boys have a question for you, I have one final question because I just listened to you. Basically, fantasy GM a couple of different teams there. And this leads to a point where in the locker room in the NFL,

it's different than high school. In high school, the coach is the smartest football person in the world, and they are teaching you. In college, same thing. Hey, coaches are teaching you. college same thing hey coaches are teaching you in the nfl whenever you become a veteran five years six years seven years eight years nine years 16 years in the nfl in one franchise the play hey football iqs are really fucking high you know it gets to the point where in this whole thing with aaron rogers like requesting a seat at the table

at least whenever we're making fucking decisions. This guy who's been in a more powerful position for the Green Bay Packers longer than the GM has been. It has more success than is the MVP. And he's 16 years into this thing. And now they're saying they're trying to figure out how to incorporate his opinions into things. It's like that has to happen in the NFL because there is so many big brain players in the NFL that kind of understand and see things I'm excited for Aaron to get a chance to say some stuff but that is like the new age of the NFL I think that people hate in the old days you know yeah no I'm with you man uh it

used to be that every time that that any team has success people just look at the front office and like oh they're so they're they're great how they. You know, what a great year if it wasn't for this trade or this guy thinking of this. And I think players at the point now, they're like, no, fuck that. Only reason why we won because he wanted to come over here. Oh, no. It was a good take, too. It was a good take. Hey, his house is so big.

You know what I mean? It's getting in the way of the satellite. Seriously. That's potentially what it is. No, I'm not bad about that. It was so hot outside, my damn phone said it needs to cool down. You're down in Alabama? Of course, God's country.

I don't know. I mean. That's Iowa. What is it, 7,000 degrees down there all the time? Yeah, pretty much. Is that just a normal thing in the South? Like, hey, you talk on FaceTime for five minutes outside, that thing's going to overheat and die?

I think these new iPhones they're making are just weak, man. Oh, that's not true. It's just that new generation. Hey, it's new generation. You know what I mean? All right, Gerard, let's dive back into this, though. You were about to give an incredible quote, I believe, and I was asking you, you know, Aaron Rodgers said, 16 years dive back into this, though. You were about to give an incredible quote, I believe,

and I was asking you, you know, Aaron Rodgers said, 16 years for the Green Bay Packers, he's been in a more powerful and successful position than the current GM is, by the way, for the Green Bay Packers, and he's never had a chance to really say anything or even be asked his opinion on anything. In the modern NFL, how high football IQ is now between coaches, players, with the how high football IQ is now between coaches players with the amount of film and study especially if you've been in a place eight years nine years 10

years 16 years it seems like there is a time coming where players are maybe rightfully so going to get a chance to say some shit and have some decisions because it's the right move if the locker room isn't in you're not, you don't really have a chance. I like this for Aaron. I like it maybe as a precedent going forward. What are your thoughts on it? I like it. I mean, we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, one of the best to ever do it.

And you mean to tell me he can be here 16-plus years and not have any say on anything that happens? I mean, it just doesn't make sense. He's the reason why. I mean, I think Russell Wilson was kind of having a riff last offseason about, you know, being involved in those type of things as well. I mean, when you get guys that's been there for so long and been successful and really the only reason why that your team is good is because of these guys, you've got to include them in some type of personnel decision.

You've got to give them some type of power to make their, make them feel like that they're a part of this thing too, because, um, uh, it was a day and time where our players didn't really understand the business like they do now. So now you, you can't really do anything as far as running around or lying or doing any, any of that just because of the players today, they know the business of it. They know the business side of it. And they want to be, you know, a part of it because we're talking about legacies.

We're talking about, you know, people that's going to go down as some of the best to ever play this game. So, of course, they want some type of say in something that's going on in the front office just because you're messing with their legacy as well. So, I mean, Aaron Rodgers, I think he might be older than his head coach or something like that. So he needs to have some type of the same power, same level, just because he's been through it. He's been through it all, you know, since he's been there.

He saw how they did Brett Favre and his exit, you know, out of Korean Bay, and he's making sure that they're not going to F him over either. So I think it's a good thing that players are trying to are starting to flex their muscle a little bit just because i mean at the end of the day if aaron rogers said that he wasn't going to show up and he wasn't going to play uh that that little backup plan that they had uh or at least that they thought that they were going to have to do they knew that that shit wasn't going to work they need they need a rod under center so uh you better do

whatever you can to make these guys happy or they're going to continue to flex their muscle going forward okay and jordan love might be incredible this is not about jordan love by the way jordan love doesn't deserve this but if you don't have the mvp as your quarterback your team is going to look much different than when your team has the mvp at quarterback could you imagine peyton manning having no say in anything could Could you imagine that? Listen, Peyton Manning was telling us what we can do on the itinerary schedule. Like, no, we're not doing that. We're doing this. So I can only imagine.

Like, I remember when we went to the Super Bowl and we had, like, our little family meeting about the itineraries and all that type of stuff. And I remember they said something about, like, we could have our wives in the room and all that. And Peyton cut that out quick. And I remember Mr. something about like we could have our wives in a room and all that and Peyton cut that out quick. And I remember Mr. Polian was like, oh, well, we'll talk about it. And Peyton's like, no, this is how it is.

And everybody was like, all right, well, that's it. We'll write that down. No families. It was awesome. Hey, that was an awesome moment. We're just sitting there. We're all just sitting there. Hey, we're going to the Super Bowl. This is so fucking cool. Me and you were rookies, obviously was an awesome moment. We're just sitting there. We're all just sitting there. Hey, we're going to the Super Bowl.

This is so fucking cool. Me and you were rookies, obviously. Right. This is unbelievable. You're playing a much larger role than me as a rookie, and I couldn't even imagine what was going through your mind, but it was like, oh, we're going to the Super Bowl. This is going to be pretty sweet.

And then there's like Vinatieri. I'm sitting next to Vinatieri. He's been to 100 of these. So I'm like, what is this meeting or whatever? He's like, Pullian's going to go through everything. Because it go through everything it's because it's like a bowl week you know it's almost it's like a bowl week for college players so i was like oh okay yeah we just got all right i kind of understand that and then when polly was like uh for monday through thursday your families will be allowed or whatever on uh in your rooms i know a lot of people were worried about that

potentially and before that sentence could even get out of it, like, and the period didn't even come yet, they just stood up. No families. No, no, no, no families on our floor. You get another floor. He said it just like that. You get a room on another floor. And then he sat back down and Bill said, okay, we'll talk about that. Stood back up we won't it was it was incredible and that's exactly how it went and i think that is why like when i hear that aaron has had no say or anything i am so like just fucking mind blown by it i'm like what are we even talking about with because there was coaches that openly said hey as long as peyton's here i'm here you know like hey it's like whatever peyton needs me to do, basically,

is like how it was run. And Peyton, obviously, much different person, I think, than Aaron. But then Peyton, he gets cut, obviously. Wild. Peyton Manning was just cut from the team. See you later, Andrew Luck. That was a wild time.

Wild! Hey, don't answer your phone! I was told, I was told, don't answer your phone, they're fucking cutting everybody. They are cutting everybody right now. I'm like, all right, hopefully I make it there.

He goes to Denver, though. He has success. Two Super Bowls, wins one of them. Tom Brady leaves New England after becoming friends with Peyton, probably hearing what Peyton has been able to do and going, give me the fuck. Are we kidding? Goes down to Tampa, wins a Super Bowl.

Aaron, Russell, everybody hearing this are like, wait a second. I've been thinking this all along, that if I was able to make some more decisions, we'd be able to win this goddamn thing. It's fascinating how this is going to turn out, because there's only a couple of those guys that can do it. And if those guys get upset or offended or something like that, the value of a franchise and success of a franchise can drop so quick. And I think now players know that. I think now guys are like, there's been a blueprint time and time and time again, where

if I have a little say, we'll be able to win a Super Bowl. It's happened with everybody else who's in my level. I'd like to do the same thing. Go ahead, Ty. Gerard, speaking of the Packers, Randall Cobb is going back there and they drafted Amari Rogers out of Clemson. They've never really had, at least while LaFleur has been Clemson they they've never really had at least while LaFleur has been the head coach they've never had like a slot threat like that as a defensive back when you still have Devontae Adams on one side and you know Robert Tanya had a great year like how what does that do defensively to open the field up and make them that much more of a nightmare especially after Rogers just had his best statistical year ever. Right.

I mean, well, I think everybody remembered the connection with him and Randall Cobb and all that from back in the day. But you would hope that Randall still got a lot of juice and can still make some plays because if Devontae Adams and Aaron was able to do what they were doing without a true number two on their team and they're still out there scorching people, just imagine if it was somebody else that's a threat on the field that can open uh even more options and more things up so you would hope that randall could come back in and uh he he still got a bunch of juice left to where he can win some one-on-one matchups and uh and spread the ball out some and uh and another thing i think that's gonna be big with that i'm not saying randall's gonna come in and just save

the day but at least you know aaron trust him at least you know there's already a relationship there and there's already some type of rapport uh that that when they get on the field it's not like a trust issue because I think Aaron does have trust issues with certain guys I mean he's only been able to really trust one guy and that's Devontae Adams so you bring another guy into the fold and then like you said with the rookie that got out of Clemson, you hope that he turns out to be the player that they think. And now all of a sudden Aaron might have the weapons that, you know,

enough weapons like he had when he went to the Superbowl back in 2010 ish. Or when, when, you know, it was Donald driver and all those guys. So you will hope that they got some weapons to where guys can just win some one-on-one battles and open that field up. He, he's kind of the guy that is talked about i think and i might be wrong but when that back shoulder came into play you you guys were fucked right you guys

yeah corners were absolutely the back shoulder just kind of really that that's an achilles heel right i mean that's tough yeah i mean it's probably the toughest throw to defend uh it took guys it took guys a few years to just learn how to defend a back shoulder. So now you'll see a bunch of corners. Once they get engaged with the receiver, they'll look back through the guy for the back shoulder before they play how you traditionally play. But that back shoulder, Aaron Rodgers kind of put that thing on the map

to where can't nobody throw this ball better than me. Just perfect coverage. I picked his back shoulder, though. Yeah. Hey, by the way, second half, that was Chuck Strong game. That was we were down to Green Bay. And I believe your pick was what? In the first couple minutes of the third quarter.

The third, yep. We were down like 17 at half. They were beating our ass. Did you hang on to that ball? Oh, yeah. I got it hung up. I tell people all the time. I was like, yeah, because in Arizona, I actually got a couple good shots on Aaron.

I kind of knocked him out on the sideline a couple times. So when, like, friends and stuff come over, I'll be like, yeah. You know, like some guys I just had good games against. Aaron Rodgers was one of those guys. You got pictures? You got pictures of you hitting them as the ball he threw me in the second half. Yeah, we're buds. Yeah, we'll play catch in the second half.

Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Gerard, with everything going on with Xavier Howard and also Stephen Gilmore wanting a little bit of a pay bump, do you see him taking kind of the same stance or because he is a New England guy like you mentioned and that mentality that he'll just kind of play out the rest of his year and then go into free agency? Well, I think at the end of the day guys don't want to miss out on money especially DBs we're a little different we know our time only comes

uh at certain moments so like I said you got guys like these guys who are at the top of their game just trying to capitalize as much as they can and when you look at the um at the money I think Gilmore's making, he might be making like seven or eight million this year. And we're talking about a top two corner. He might not be number two, might be the best corner in the league. So he just wants his average pay up. And I think that they're going to make something happen over there. Because if you take Stephon off of that defense, it'll cause you a bunch of problems in New England. But I don't think New England is just going to let Stephon walk.

I do think that Bill will do something to where he'll just upgrade his pay for the year so he can average out to be paid as one of the top guys in the league. I think that's his biggest issue is just when you look at all these other corners getting paid, I think he's at the middle or towards the bottom, and he shouldn't be at the end of the day. Why do you fucking keep calling him steven well so because i called him stefan and paul tom pelissero the arrow the neural link said hey it's steven and i mean he gets his information directly from goodell so i don't know what do you want me to do just call him gilly just call him gilly gilly lock yeah all right because by the way you've said it the last couple days yes and i've heard it i'm

like all right he's saying that for a reason. I'm not going to ask. But then when Drog came back and said, I was like, oh, okay, we do have to address this. Because I called him, Stefan, and when the neural link said it's Steven, I just took it as gospel because he doesn't get anything wrong. All right, Drog, stop fucking it up, all right? We need to get the guy's name right at least. Hey, I appreciate you, man. You're so good on here.

Thank you so much for that. Hey, man, you got to start sitting down when you're interviewing. Why are you standing up? You made me nervous this whole time. Just get fucking internet. All right? Ladies and gentlemen, Gerard Bauer. Yeah, Gerard!

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What's up, dude? What's up, fellas? I can't guarantee that this will not fall again. I've reinforced it with multiple kinds of tape, but it is not looking good. I got done and looked up yesterday, and it was hanging on by a thread. We were probably two minutes away from it falling again. Okay, well, I want to let you, I watched that back a few times yesterday, and really a moment. A lot of people were saying,

oh, what's next? AJ's going to tell me his jaw's fake as well. Holy shit, is it? A lot of people were saying, oh, we've been bamboozled. We've been hoodwinked. We thought AJ was sitting in front of a thousand books with no names on them every single day.

A lot of people were heartbroken for what happened yesterday. Do you have anything to say to the people that feel like you lied to them and maybe led them astray to make them think you're a big bookworm, pal? I can't speak on the bookshelves. If you get caught and you think this is a real bookshelf, that's on you at this point. That is on you absolutely uh but you said speaking of the job did you see uh what's his name the act zach efron have you seen a picture of that dude what's he doing have you seen his face all right so zach efron and i actually do have history i've not seen his face recently but zach

and i we know each other all right i was actually in a photo wow with zach efron you know awesome huh he's awesome i love him i watched that show when he traveled around the country and did a bunch of different things oh you watched that it was a good concept right i think i think i watched like maybe a couple minutes of it i saw a clip on the internet probably it was awesome i enjoyed i didn't get a chance to see it zach efron was a good guy when we saw him he came into the colts locker room uh afterwards and uh he was there for a Christmas game. I think it was sometime Christmas game. We were home.

He had a Christmas hat on, if I do recall. Him and Jim Irsay are buddies somehow. I'm not 100% sure how, but him and Jim Irsay know each other well. He came down into the locker room afterwards, and there was a little bit of a buzz near the locker room, and Overton was sitting right next to me. I'll never forget it. And Hasselbeck is over here near the quarterbacks, and Hasselbeck walks over to me and Overton was sitting right next to me. I'll never forget it. And Hasselbeck is over here

near the quarterbacks and Hasselbeck walks over to me and Overton. This is after the game. We got to win. And he goes, did you see Zach Efron's over there? And I looked at Hasselbeck and I said, excuse me. And cause I had no idea what a Zach Efron was. Obviously that is a hundred. I think I was a generation too old for Zach. Got nothing but respect. But I wasn't. Matt Overton jumps up in excitement. Zach Efron's here? Okay. Matt Overton, same age as me.

All right. So I looked at Overton. I was like, what is your fucking problem? He's like, bro, he is a goat, dude. And I was like, all right. So I was like, all right. Can't wait to learn about this guy. I'm sitting down still.

And I look over to my left and there's this incredibly attractive dude standing there. And I like that's that guy from right there he's like that's him i'm like god damn okay he was he was like this tall you know but he was unbelievably attractive or whatever in origin i was like oh he's one of those disney kids he was on a disney show growing up this whole thing i'm like oh this guy has to be beloved by everybody so he comes over right he just walks over to us, basically. I think we're the closest and just like starts like almost like introducing himself. And I go like a fool. Hey, how's it going, dude? Nice to meet you, man.

Once you get into town, you had to fucking tear this place down. You got to be loved by everybody. I mean, fuck, you got after it last night or something? Oh, I've actually been sober for like six months or whatever. Thanks for asking or whatever. I'm like, oh, fucking of course. I'm so sorry so sorry and Overton does a full like

and by the way he was completely cool with it yeah so Overton does a full thing you can see me in the back there I was going to catch something yeah I was going to catch something I'm in the back that is my right arm in the back of that picture there that Overton got with Zac Efron.

Zac Efron was incredibly cool, incredibly nice. I just felt like I shit all over it. This picture was then posted on a bunch of tabloid sites. Wow. Because this is the first picture of seeing him

since everything had happened, I guess. So Matt Overton was on like every tabloid in the world, basically. And people forget, I'm right there in the back. I mean, you see my right arm.

What happened? What do you mean? What was the big thing that happened? He got into a fight or something. He had some fault. Something happened, right? Something happened where he had to go get, he had to go, like, I think something happened. Something happened.

First picture post-rehab or something like that. Something like that, yeah. I'm not a hironsager. I don't know the full story. All I know is that Zac Efron was very nice to me, okay? he was incredibly nice to what looked like a dream come true for Matt Overton and Matt Hasselbeck. I'm pulling for him. Does he look awesome now? Does he look absolutely incredible?

Is that what you're talking about? Is there a recent photo of him, or is this just you watching his series? I'm sure of Zeke. I don't know if it's real or not, but, yeah, there's a side-by-side. It looks like he has changed his jaw structure somehow he must be chewing a lot of gum doing some kind of exercises oh so he's he's looking like aj hawk he's on that i mean yeah he looks good man i think what do you do you just do that thing right that's what you do that versaclimber yeah you do the

versaclimber thing right and then you do taekwondo yeah right with obviously no i hadn't i'd taken a break from my my illustrious taekwondo career i with obviously no i hadn't i'd taken a break from my my illustrious taekwondo career i'm thinking about getting back into it hey did you see me boxing there don't uh back into it i'm starting to hit the heavy bag i'm starting to wake up in the morning and like i've always said i don't want to actual box the virtual reality boxing is enough for me but then the amount of videos i'm seeing of people in these virtual reality boxing and they're going the distance and going to the judges and these are people i have a little bit of respect for athletically i'm like i have never made it to the judges in that game i have beat everybody at

every level on that thing all the comments say like hey this is the most realistic physics wise to actual boxing and i'm like all right i got a lot of respect for a lot of these people that are going in there not doing i'm putting everybody fucking down like is this real life or not so I'm starting to get to the point where I'm maybe getting a little bit too confident and I think I got to go to a little boxing gym and get punched in the actual face and be like okay let's go back to the virtual reality I think I need that though I'm starting to get to that point AJ I mean that I think you need to do that or let's say you go into the little local boxing gym you do very well you're you're bobbing and weaving.

You're like Floyd Mayweather. You don't take any damage. You're going to be calling up Jake or Logan Paul, I'm guessing, trying to get one of those fights. No, I think me, Jake, and Logan should take on some European YouTubers. If I ever – I would never want to fake. Vitaly. What's that?

That Vitaly kid. You ever seen him? I don't know who he is, but I'm nowhere near that stage yet. Okay, Jake and Logan actually training, boxing. I do not want to fight Jake and Logan ever or whatever, but like, I think I am going to have to potentially see for a little bit in cardio wise. I might be, I'll do it. You want to spar? I'm terrible, but I'll spar with you if you want, if you want to get hit. I want to let you know, AJ Hawk is the last motherfucker I'm sparring with. You'll catch me. I promise you my sparring with. You'll catch me.

I promise you my defense is awful. You'll catch me. It doesn't matter, though. You are Chris Moutinho, dude. You have proven that in your football career. Zero concussions documented, even in a play that your tooth vaporized. Yeah. That is, you should have, whenever your shit is just dissipated.

It dissipated the blow. It took all the impact. And that's why wearing a mouth guard just wasn't your thing, right? I'll let these teeth eat this. Is that right? Conspiracy theorists, yeah. Love mouth guards. You've had like eight root canals.

I have had a good amount of those, but who knows if football caused any of that. Oh, yeah. Of course, dude. Of course. But anyways, no, I'm not sparring with you. No way. So are you saying you want to go in and hit the mitts and just the guy kind of just throwing hands around you? Or do you want a legit spar?

That's right. I'm trying to figure out how to go about doing this. Because I can just hit mitts in the goddamn virtual reality thing. You know what I mean? And I know that that is like the steps out how to go about doing this because I can just hit mitts in the goddamn virtual reality thing. You know what I mean? And I know that that is like the steps you got to go to, but I can't just walk in and just like. You can't tell them, hey, I'm getting a little too cocky. What do you say?

I'm getting too cocky in the Oculus arena, so I need somebody to kind of punch me in the mouth, but not too hard. Not too hard. I don't need any marks on the face here. I can't be showing up. You know what I mean? This is what makes my money. I don't need any marks on the face here. I can't be showing up. You know what I mean? This is what makes my money. Yeah.

I can't be. So is there any way somebody, like in the Oculus Arena, for instance, the first guy that you fight against is in your little local gym. There's like four people there. He's a big, fat stooge sitting there. And he just gets beat up. Does every gym have one of those guys where you just go in? I think so.

The Oculus Arena allegedly is. I think you should assume every guy is that big fat stooge. Any gym you go into and just challenge them all. See if any of them will get in. No, no. That's the thing is I've learned via the internet that that is not what you. Everything that I'm saying right now is the exact opposite of what I need to be saying if I'm going into any of these gyms. Okay.

Like me saying, I'm getting a little bit too confident. They love that, I think. They're like, oh going into any of these gyms. Okay? Like me saying, I'm getting a little bit too confident. Like, they love that, I think. They're like, oh, this little fucking virtual reality guy. I've been doing this since I was six years old. Every single one. There's just so much to it. So I don't know the proper steps. And I think I'm just going to stay in virtual reality and punch the hell out of the heavy bag.

But at some point, I think I'm going to have to figure out whether or not it translates. I just don't think I'm at that point yet. You know what I mean? I mean, I understand, I guess. But that's a scary situation because either you get humbled real quick or the scarier thing is that you don't get humbled and your delusional confidence begins to grow even more. That is what will scare me.

But I am rooting for that one. I want you to get in there and feel really good about yourself and legit start getting into boxing. Imagine me. Of course I just fucking knock a guy out. All right, who's next? And then that becomes the problem. And that's what you want, obviously, because you enjoy that type of stuff.

I'm sure there's other people that have been through it. AQ Shipley wants me to go ahead and get a couple early wins too, I assume. Yeah. Yeah, dude, you're crushing people. Untouchable. Yeah. Corbin. Keep going. Baron Cor wins, too, I assume. Yeah. Yeah, dude. You're crushing people. Untouchable. Yeah. Corbin. Keep going.

Baron Corbin. Oh, my God. You would fucking love it. Yeah. Oh, you're killing people. Yeah. You guys are very good friends. You need to have friends like that around you for sure.

But that is the problem I'm having. But let's move along to other things that matter, actually, in this whole thing. We'll talk to Trent Dilfer here in about 17 minutes. And Central Standard Time is one hour, right, behind? Yes. So right now it's 1.13 Eastern. Over there it's 12.13, right? Correct.

Okay, cool. So we weren't late. No. All right. We're good to go. It was locked in as 12.30 CST, right? Yes. Quick math, 1.30 EST.

EDT, actually, where we're living at right now. So I think we're potentially getting a Trent that might have been waiting for a while. Oh, no. No, no, no. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I want to let everybody, hey, I have documented footage that this was not, but we need to get that out early to Trent. Like, hey, 130 EDT we thought was the time.

I don't want there to be any pissed off Trent, though, for right now. No, definitely not. Hey, EDT, CST, hey, 130 EDT we thought was the time. I don't want there to be any pissed off Trent though for it. No, definitely not. Hey, EDT CST, hey, wasn't me. By the way, good shirt to be wearing right there. He's going to love that. We support that. Go Mustangs. And Tight End U was there as well. Let's go and talk about Aaron

Rogers here though, a little bit. Have you chatted with him from your family vacation since he had arrived? I know yesterday you made the announcement of the sunglasses being yours that was some breaking news did you hear how the locker room maybe reacted when he came back or his coaches did they say oh we don't want you here you know because he was doing uh handling business potentially for them in the future how did yesterday go and have you caught up with a rod no i have not uh spoke with with aaron you know camp that's how it goes but i'm definitely talk with people in the in the building they're in the facility every day i still communicate with them a lot and uh i was i was

shocked to hear that nobody really shunned him no one told him to get out when they saw him walking in i figured there'd be like a picket line like no bud can't come in they would put their arms up i guess they were they were all pretty cool and they were actually very very happy that not only They saw him walking in. What? Wow. I figured there'd be like a picket line. Like, no, bud, can't come in. They would put their arms up. I guess they were all pretty cool, and they were actually very, very happy. Not only the players, but the coaches were very happy as well to have him back. Really? Huh. So it was like a, hey, good to see you type reaction from everybody in the building that matters, basically?

I guess that is so, yeah. I mean, from what you were feeding me, I thought for sure that was not the case. But, yeah, I guess they really want him back there. Put it on the ticker, man. Got to put it on the ticker. It's weird to hear. I never would have guessed that. Never to be told all day. I need to know.

You got to tell me who. It wasn't just who. It was whom. Just name someone. Who's. Okay. Who's. They weren't keeping it 100.

OJ Simpson. What's that? OJ. I don't know what OJ said it 100. OJ Simpson. What's that? I don't know what OJ said. I think OJ was on Aaron's side, actually. He was. Which isn't great. I don't know why you brought that up. It doesn't help the whole argument.

What the hell was that? I'm just saying. He can't read the comments, right? There's no way. He doesn't know where those videos are going. He has never seen the Twitter app before, right? No. I don't think he's ever scrolled.

I think he just goes on there, hey, throw this video up, and then I'm out. No, I don't think he's – I don't think – He sends it to somebody? I think somebody's saying, hey, let's do this. By the way, good idea, I guess. We get a chance to hear OJ's thoughts on fantasy football. Hey, OJ. Hey, OJ, cut a promo about the vaccination.

Let's see what everybody says. He's done that. And Brett Favre saw it and was like oh wait a minute that's a fucking good idea I can talk about everything that's your fault AJ so Aaron was well received the Randall Cobb deal

it is fascinating and it adds to a bunch of fascinating stories because he is still technically a Houston Texan, and he tweeted out a photo of him in a Green Bay Packers. You know, I'm coming home. So after the pizza gif where he delivers a pizza to a house that is on fire immediately upon arriving at Houston when all hell broke loose, and that was really the beginning of the Jack Easterby in power era.

You know what I mean? The Jack Easterby era is really what was happening there. That's kind of settled down a little bit. I don't think Jack Easterby has, though. From what I've heard, maybe he's ramped that thing up even more. He's working. Got a little bit more of the Jesus in there. You know what I mean?

A little bit more Jack Easterby making plays with Kyle McNair. But now he's going back to Green Bay. Ian Rappaport reported that Aaron and the Packers are still trying to restructure more Jack Easterby making plays with Kyle McNair, but now he's going back to Green Bay. Ian Rappaport reported that Aaron and the Packers are still trying to restructure his contract for the one-year thing. Until they do such a thing, they won't have enough salary cap space to trade for Randall Cobb back to Green Bay. Is there any clarity or thoughts from you on this whole situation? I mean, I told you how much he likes Randall and would like to play with him. But so we'd have to look at Aaron's contract this year. All you need to do is take salary that he was going to get paid per like every two weeks and put that into

a roster bonus, right? And then it takes it off the book. So then the cap frees up for that year. I assume that's what they're doing. Yeah, that's what Connor said New England had done for a long, long time. It's just a roster bonus, signing bonus, whatever it is. It opens up cap space and doesn't affect the future at all. That has to be what they're doing. What's taking so long then? There's been a blueprint for that and a very easy fix. But with all contracts, they are very, very thick.

And the in-good-faith thing that we mentioned yesterday for Aaron and the Packers has come up with Xavier and Howard and the Miami Dolphins now and their entire situation, which i will likely move to next to listen to hear your thoughts on that because that statement was awesome i'm here i don't fucking want to be basically we'll get into that whole thing the aaron deal is there more you think to be figured out than just the let's move the money to the roster thing because the quote quote from Brian Gutekunst is, Aaron will have the same say he's always had. He's going to have the same say he's always had.

He's earned a place at the table. Says part of the process this offseason has been figuring out how to incorporate that. So you're either contradicting yourself in the same exact sentence, saying he has the same say he's always had, and now we're trying to incorporate that or whatever. Or you're saying that he's not going to have a say at all yet again so the interesting comment from good to coons i think he's happy to have aaron back in there i don't know if he's thinking about every single word he's rolling out but the fact that he hasn't is he admitting now that he's never had a say in anything we never asked his opinion basically and how do we incorporate that what is a way to incorporate that you think because Gerard Powers and I just told a story and had a little

reminisce nostalgia moment about Super Bowl week when Peyton Manning literally stood up and told Bill Pullian and everybody else that was in there like families aren't going to be on players floors actually and then sat back down and Bill said we'll discuss that and then Peyton stood back up and said no no no we won't discuss that. That's how it's going to be or whatever. We just decided, actually. We just talked and then sat back down. And then it was like, all right, everybody adjust that.

No families are allowed. You need to go get your own floor, basically. And I think after me seeing that, I just assumed that's what it was like. Has he just, he has no say in anything since you've been around? Like, hey, I like this guy. We know publicly he said that and then they cut the guy the next day that seems very wild to me that you wouldn't want one of the smartest players in the history of the NFL one of the best players in the history of the game and a

guy who knows the building inside and out for being there for a decade and a half plus you wouldn't want his what does that even mean how did we even get to this point I feel like I'm more confused now than I've ever been I mean everyone is It seems like, but when Goody says he earned a place at the table, when did he earn a place? When are you saying he had this? If you said he has the same say now that he always has, so has he always had that place at the table? And did he earn the place by saying, hey, I fucking want a place at the table? Is that how you earn the place at the table? I wonder. I guess Aaron is speaking right now about everything. Zito told me there's three big quotes. This is coming from Big Ryan Wood. Hey, at by Ryan Wood. Whenever he tweets something, we know it's real. Aaron Rogers says issues started with the convo in February. I just expressed my desire to be more involved in conversations directly affecting my job. Also, I wanted to help the organization learn from maybe some of their mistakes in the past on how outgoing veterans were treated. Okay, this seems like a very common thread that we have been talking about

through this entire thing. Now, that type of stuff is going to get dissected, and they're going to say, oh, he wants a 55. What's he going to ask? Jordy knows. There was somebody that tweeted, here's A.J. Hawk loosening up to rejoin the Packers. Hey, A.J., it was an old grandpa, man. I want to let you know.

They took a shot at you. I won't spar you. That hurts. That really hurts me deep. I won't spar you, but I think they would. I think they should to get a chance to experience both that jaw and those ten fingers that are coming from anywhere. Disgusting. Imagine that punch. The wings, the

spread on that. You're going to have to get size 4X gloves. Custom gloves for disgusting. Imagine that punch. The wings, the spread on that. You're going to have to get size 4X gloves. Custom gloves for sure. Eye gouge every time. Careful. Yeah, exactly. That's what it looks like. That's gross.

That's what we've been saying this whole time. Like, think about it. Will he be able to box with a full finger that can't bend, though? Oh, yeah. He'll have to re-break them and then make a... Yeah. He'll go down and bang. Oh, yeah. Boom, boom, boom. Big knucks guy, this guy.

You should start doing the push-ups on your knucks like that because that's how you're going to have to box, we think, with how shattered and deformed your shit is. I mean, I've been doing it like that for a while with my different wrist situations I've had over the years. What do you do? Finger or knuckle? No, I've got to it like that for a while with my, you know, different wrist situations I've had over the years. Whoa. Do you do, what do you do, finger or knuckle?

No, I gotta do knuckles because I can't do the, you know, I hold wrists. Don't show them. I do the knuckle push-ups too, by the way. Just makes me feel like I'm tougher. You know what I mean? I mean, it does not mean anything like that. Are you kidding me if somebody was to walk by me doing pushups on a god damn pavement

and I've got my knuckles down ah yeah people think that looks tough no I would never do that I'm mostly doing it on carpet you're right though guys you're saying that guy's a fucking badass bingo

yeah exactly that's why I don't do a lot of the abs stuff though guys would say that guy's a fucking badass. Bingo. That's what they would say. Clark Burns no joke either Pat. Yeah exactly and that's why you can't really that's why I don't do a lot of the abs stuff because I don't want to burn my knees. Yeah.

Not worth it. Alright. We were talking about Aaron I think there's another quote coming out from Aaron Rodgers. This is from Andrew Cisleano. I'm not a victim here at all.

I want to reiterate that. I've been paid a ton of money by this organization. True. He has been and he's also earned a lot of money. I don't know what the investment money's earning, but I think Aaron's probably earned a lot. And by the way, this is good self-awareness by them. It's definitely something I thought about, Aaron Rodgers, on whether he considered retiring or not. That's

via Ari Mirov. That's fascinating. And I think we all kind of witnessed that publicly whenever he was going through the jeopardy. And then A.J. came in quickly afterwards and said, did you hear that guy talk about why he loves the NFL? It's because of competition. You know how competitive he is? You think he's just going to be able to retire in this? No way. That's what you said this entire time.

He's come out and said that he thought about it. Is that something he thought about for real, you think, or was that just a passing thought maybe in there i could retire i would imagine that he he when he thought about retiring he's like man what if i do retire and he thought about it for about three seconds and he's like why would i retire i'm the mvp of the league i want to go win more superbowls i love playing football i'm sure it was a passing thought it it breezed through his brain for a half a second and he's like what that'd be stupid why would i leave the game now the amount of people that either almost quit football their freshman year of college you're like were you one of them i assume you're no no no but i was around

multiple yeah whenever you go into uh you know college football strength and conditioning programs for the first time and i i think a lot of people learn quickly, like, oh, this is a much different world all of a sudden. And the amount of people that were going to quit football in their freshman year of college that are now in the NFL and have made a lot of money, I would assume at this point it's in the thousands and thousands of people that have had the moment. The amount of guys who have thought about retiring from the NFL in numerous situations is high. Like, I'm fucking done with this. I'm not doing it.

And then it's actually like almost an ongoing joke with equipment managers. Like, ah, he said he was gone last year or whatever. And then they're like, hey, we'll have your jersey for you next year. No, fuck, I ain't doing this ever again. Like, that is something that happens in moments in slight stuff like that. But the full thought, like for me, whenever I decided I was going to retire, there was a couple of years going into that last year where I was like, I'm fucking done with the bullshit. I just, I don't want to do it anymore. And I thought about it, but then I really sat down and thought about like future, like, okay, what's my life going to be if I was to retire?

What's that day to day going to look like? Who's going to be around me? How am I going to go? And I was completely wrong on what the day to day is going to look like. I will let everybody know this has been much more work than I could ever fathom in my life. But it wasn't until I was comfortable with like, okay, I'm not going to be competing against other people on a day-to-day basis. I'm not going to be focused on doing one particular task. Like, those are things you have to get past.

That's not something Aaron seems like. And I don't know him as well as you do. That doesn't seem like a conversation he would have and be like, yeah, I'm cool with not just beating the fuck out of everybody anymore. Like, you know, that feels like that's something that's deep in there, you know? Yeah, I think maybe if he had some, like, if he had multiple injuries, he was fighting through it all times, and he was just, it was affecting his life off the field, and he was looking at his future. Yeah, then he could sit there and take a serious look at it.

But luckily, I mean, we know he's had injuries and surgeries. Luckily, it seems like he's doing all right, and I'm sure he feels pretty good. I mean, he just won the MVP. He's had, what, nine picks in the last, like, how many years? Three, four years? A long time. He had two incompletions in an entire game that he threw four touchdowns in. I mean, fuck. And Tom Brady, by the way,

even said that at the match. He was like, oh, that looks like a guy that would have two incompletions on a four-touchdown day or something like that. It is. And I think it's how I introed him for that Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. A man who had two incompletions. This guy stinks. This guy couldn't complete all of his passes.

He's unbelievable. Hopefully, you know, Dirty Gertie said the last chance. I think there's a lot of opportunity here for the relationship to grow, hopefully, between Aaron and Gunter Kunz and Mark Murphy. And allegedly, I guess, if he has any say at all, that'll be better than what it has been for some time, which is absurd to think about. Can the Green Bay Packers make this thing right

and let's ride this off into the sunset? I hope so. You know, I hope they're able to do that. But if not, I know there's going to be about 27, 28 teams that are excited about one year. Hey, Aaron, we hope you do well this year. Hey, have a good one. We hope for your legacy.

You win a Super Bowl and another MVP. But I think there's a lot of teams around the NFL that are like, okay, so who do we got to get rid well this year. Hey, have a good one. We hope for your legacy. You win a Super Bowl and another MVP. But I think there's a lot of teams around the NFL that are like, okay, so who do we got to get rid of this year? We got Aaron Rodgers. And that's just a cool place to be if you're Aaron Issa. And there's people saying that what he

was doing was all for naught, but these fucking idiots, dude. How? It is. They're fools. I love Orlovsky. Okay? We all love Orlovsky. Love Dan. Well, I actually texted Dan last night.

Hey, I love you as a human and as a TV person. But today had to happen. Okay? He has not responded to me, so I don't know. It's because he knows. It's because he knows. Did you get, like, a real fight? Well, kind of, yeah. I said, hey, Dan, what are you doing? You know, because he said. It's because he knows. Did you get like a real fight? Well, kind of.

Yeah. I said, hey, Dan, what are you doing? You know, because he said, I mean, there was a little bit of a back and forth. I think it was respectful for me and Dan the way we went back and forth. But I picked apart a couple holes in his entire theory on why he felt the way he did. He probably did the same to me as well. I haven't watched it back. It was a pretty good give and take.

But then by the end of the day, he changed thoughts yeah he came onto my side so it was like all right i don't know what happened here but he initially was saying alongside a lot of people so maybe that was the maybe that was a narrative that was pushed by somebody very early and in those meetings maybe they heard it and they like a lot of people that were either on tv or like yeah you know what you're right i guess good i guess you're right. There wasn't really anything happening. It was like, what are we even talking about? I don't even know what we're even doing, let alone the thought that, and I talked to the boys about this earlier. And I think why I was so upset about the way it was being chatted about was because, and this is something that happens and a lot of journalists hate this and a lot of fans hate this,

but as a player, like I will always try to learn why the player is doing what the player is doing. Just as somebody who has been in there, like, I have the utmost respect for anybody that's doing their thing. You've got to handle your fucking business. I had gripes with front office. I mean, I feel like I've been through a lot of the situations, even though they're at a much smaller level, much, much and i got a chance to witness it so i'm always going to be like well there's probably a reason why this player by the way not just in football it's probably in life like hey there's probably a reason this human feels the way they uh feel and i think that's why i'm mostly uh like okay all right i see your point type thing but these players that were just burying like erin

for this entire i'm like who the fuck are you like what are you even were you even in the same locker room that i was i don't even know if we were in the same league to think about that i feel like there has to be some sort of that if you've been in there you have to be pumped that a guy said i want to have a say here i want to be able to do my thing and he got it in the end like that's a success story i think in negotiation but since it wasn't this big dramatic trade or whatever a lot of people were upset about it early and then they changed you have a look at like i mean if he wouldn't have cut like the packers were not gonna trade for randall cobb you know what i mean if he wouldn't have like so now and this gets put out there that he if he is going to be involved like

we'll see what happens down the road like if someone gets hurt or you know around the trade deadline if they need another piece but like i mean mean, yeah, the Cobb thing in and of itself, they were never going to get him if Rodgers wouldn't have said, hey, go get me Randall Cobb. Okay, there's a couple more quotes coming out. There's a lot. Rodgers, he's talking. Yeah, the Twitter is exploding right now,

applauding him for just getting up there in front of a Packers banner and just going off. Yeah, and I guess he's going, going. He said, here's from Mike Garofalo, the second best wide receiver in training camp last year, Jake Kummerow. Maybe run it by me and I can change your mind, he says, about the Jake Kummerow cut. Like, hey, we're going to cut this guy.

Well, I don't like that because he and I have a great connection on blah, blah, blah. He understands this better than anybody else. And I'm the guy that's on the field. Maybe we think about that. Then Roger says he was not told he gets to choose his next team if he wants to leave after this season. Okay. So now we're learning about the gentleman's agreement

that is currently happening and not finished yet. Aaron Roger says he tried to give his input involving free agents but was ignored by the front office. Okay. So this is kind of coming out a little bit. And now people are saying that he didn't get anything out of this standoff at all now that Randall Cobb is coming and he out a little bit and uh now people are saying uh that he didn't get anything out of this standoff at all now that randall cobb is coming and he has to see at the table brian good good said once again he got nothing out of this whole thing is what people

were saying yesterday in the conversation joining us now is a man who i think will have an incredible take on this and i apologize if you were waiting i think there was confusion on central time eastern daylight time a man who comes on and kills it for us every single time ladies and gentlemen lipscomb academy mustang head coach trent hill how are you boss i'm doing good thanks for having me interesting stuff here with aaron huh yeah he's speaking right now live so like i apologize that i kind of went on it's all kind of catching up there. What are your,

yeah, keep reading me the quotes too. I've been getting them as, as you're getting them. So let's talk about it. And so the, the first one was the Jake Kummerow thing, which we had alluded to and people have talked about maybe is a potential piece of the puzzle that is pissed off Aaron Rogers,

because everybody was saying it was Jordan love. And then friends of Aaron and former teammates were like, nah, there's a lot here. Like, let's go ahead and let's go back through this. And they started listing off Kuhn, Jordy, go all the way back to the way Brett was handled. And then the Kummerow thing was talked about.

And he said, maybe run it by me and I can change your mind on why you shouldn't cut, in his eyes, the second best wide receiver in camp. As a quarterback, that is vital. And I saw Peyton, and i just figured that was normal for the guys that are at the top of the food chain it's quarterback world it's wild to me that he has never had a say in anything that directly affects him is that not normal or when you heard about this were you kind of confused by it as well i think it's 50 50 uh there's a couple things going

on here number one cumulative effect and he mentions this in some of the quotes that i was listening to right before you brought me on he goes back to charles woodson and julius peppers jordy nelson as you mentioned randall cobb like these were foundational pieces to their success and he as aaron says weren't treated well on the way out if the receiver last year situation is a one-off it's probably not leading to pissed off Aaron Rodgers. It's the cumulative effect of his time in Green Bay, these decisions being made without his input. And then it comes to a young wide receiver core, which we talked about last year going into the season, and you're going to take away his second best guy as he articulates it.

I think that just was icing on the cake, probably. It was probably one of those things where you're just like, okay, I've had enough. Like, this has been years of this going on. Now we're trying to put together a young wide receiver crew. I know receivers better than anybody in this building. This is Aaron Rodgers. And most of us do a quarterback.

I'll give you a little vignette. I'm not comparing myself to Aaron Rodgers. And I was not the big guy on campus. But in Baltimore, they were going to cut Brandon Stokely. And I went in to Brian Billick and said, you cannot cut this guy. Like, I get it. We're running the scout team. But this kid is a superstar down the road.

And you've got to give him a chance. I think that happens a lot of times in training camp, especially with the receiver positions. Quarterbacks have a feel for the receivers better than the receiver coach, way better than the GM, way better than the head coach. Nobody knows the receivers better on an NFL team than the starting quarterback or even the backup quarterback because we spend more time with them. We know what we're looking for. We know what the space looks like in real time.

We don't care what the 40 time is. We care about separation. We care about are. We care about where are they trustworthy? Are they where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there? If I throw a bad ball, can I trust them to become a DB and break it up? Can they save me? Are they going to work after with me? Are we going to think the same thoughts? Those are all the things that go into receiver play. So anytime it comes down to quarterback fighting for a receiver i 100 of the time will fight for the will defend the quarterback because i can tell you right now there's not a gm in football that knows the receiver better than the starting

quarterback does trend what would the the reason for green bay's front office when they cut kumara why what would give them any reason to not at least mention it to Aaron? I don't know. I mean, for years I've been kind of confused why they don't involve Aaron more in some of these decisions. Now, they don't have to make him the decision maker. And based on what I've heard, and again, we're getting this in real time, so I didn't read the quotes specifically. But the things I heard, he never said, I want to be the decision maker. He said, I want to be involved in the decision making. And there's a big difference there.

I think just honoring a player that's meant so much to your franchise, that obviously is not just a player. He's a brand. He's got a giant personality. He's a fantastic leader. He cares about his teammates, adore him. I mean, anybody that's played with him does nothing but rave about him. Here's a guy that's revered by his teammates, done more for the organization.

The least you could do is bring him in as a consultant and say, hey, here's some of the reasons why we're thinking about this. So you have context. And maybe that context helps him better accept some of the hard decisions they're making. Or maybe he has some thought leadership that can go in the room that can help change their mind. Why a guy might have more value than they're placing on him at the time. There's a lot of intangible qualities, as the two of you know as well as anybody, that go into building a team. It's not the 53 best players. That's crazy.

If you're trying to get the 53 best players, you're not going to be a good team. You're trying to get the 53 best teammates that are also great players, the 53 that work together the best, the 53 that complement each other the best. And sometimes the players know that more than the front office. I mean, that is something that I think the front office can have a good feel on. I think they can have a good feel on, but I think you have to be in there to kind of know if somebody, hey, there's a turd. Okay, no, we got no, this is a good team. Like, and camaraderie is something that is never talked about by the analysts and pundits, and I guess we're, no, I say, I think I mention it a lot. When a team likes each other, they're going to win. Here's a couple more quotes to what you were talking about, though, about how he's been there a long time, he's had success,

he's one of the greatest of all time, and they're not even consulting him at all. He goes on to talk about how Rodgers was not even confronted or consulted about the hiring of Matt LaFleur. He said, I love Matt. We've had a blast, and I'm glad he's here. But it was clear at that point that the Packers organization viewed him as, hey, just play, dude. I think they actually came out and said, don't be the problem in that particular thing. This is when he's, what, 14 years, 15 years ago? 14 years into the NFL at that point, and has already won an MVP and a Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers also said he never spoke earlier, this is via Lily Zhao, because he didn't want to get into a pissing match

with the Packers. He wanted to handle things behind closed doors on why he was quiet this entire time. Insane situation that we could never really fathom happening. I don't see how the people in power over there. Is it because the no owner, you think? Is it because if you have any power over there in the football world, which we have been told that the board or whatever just defers to football, is it they just have all the power and everybody can fuck off? And do you think if there was like an owner in charge, it would be much different?

And how do you get to the point where there isn't that power vacuum and power trip at the top that potentially can lead an organization astray if you don't have a main boss there? I don't understand how the Packers work at all i think hold on you're asking me to solve the country's problems also if you could i wish i was that smart pat i really wish i was i would i'm not even going to touch that one because i mean power, right? And now there are some great owners that have great, have massive power, obviously that have deferred that power that have humbled themselves that have made it team driven, coach driven. They're part of the program, not the program. Uh, but I think

anytime, whether we're talking to NFL, corporate America government, uh, when, when the people in power like that power, this is the stuff that's going to happen. The great leaders I've ever been around, the great leaders I've studied who have tons of power, give that power away to their people. And if we're talking about the Packers here, I don't think there's a better example than I would give a lot of power back to Aaron Rodgers. Because he's big enough to handle it. He's proved that he's not an egomaniac. He's proven he's not a prima donna. He's proven that

it's not about him. It's about winning. So, therefore, if you gave him that power back, then he's going to be wise with that power and not abuse it. He's going to fight for the right things. He's going to have the right perspective. And he's ultimately what Aaron wants.

I'm guessing you guys know him better than me, but what I ultimately, what he wants is the most awesome football team that could possibly be assembled so they can go win a world championship. Cause that's at this point of his career. That's all he cares about is winning world championships. He's already proven he can throw more touchdowns and turn over less than anybody else.

Right. And that's the ultimate goal score. Touchdowns give the ball the other team he does that better than anybody else i just wants to win football games championships legacies everything like that the fact that it has been this long aj i don't know how just like the little bit that i know about aaron i don't know how this didn't drive him crazy a long time ago yeah yeah i don't know how this didn't it maybe it did it was just kind of like finally like, all right, I'm done with this. Maybe that's why he became such a good golfer because he just went on the golf course and started smacking that thing in the face all the time.

Hey, he was a great ball player. Go ahead, Tom. So, Trent, given all that stuff, do you think – I mean, is there any way that they could actually re-sign Aaron after this year? I mean, as a fan, I guess you can't really think that the front office is really going to change it all. If it's been this way to this point, do you really think it is just they're going to ride it out this year

and then he's gone? Well, if Green Bay Packer Nation turns on ownership, if the media sides with Aaron, again, getting into world issues, when the media takes a side, if they take Aaron's side, if the Green Bay Packer Nation takes Aaron's side, if it's anti-Packers all the time, management ownership, or board, I should say, then I think they can force their hand. That's the way things work these days.

They get enough pressure from everybody else. They can't let Aaron go. I think there's one other element, too, that Aaron may want to stay if this team ends up being unique. I think a lot goes on the floor in this coaching staff. They now have to find a way to, with all this conflict going on, to bring this team together to find healing. I mean, if you're in the building, as you guys know, it's no longer about what's being said outside the building.

So as a collective, they have to come together. If they can turn this into one of those magical seasons, when you have that relational equity between Aaron and his teammates and the coaching staff, you have everybody else, outside voices, coming down on the Packers. To me, that's a perfect storm where the Packers may change their philosophy and Aaron may want to be connected with this group of players for a handful more years so of course the clickbait's going to be Aaron's never coming back one and done let's see how this thing rides out but we're going to look at six months here of a story being written and as that story's being written both internally and externally it may change the circumstances come january hey you're a great fucking guest on this show here's the pat here's the problem though i can never replay

it to my community because you dropped the f-bomb so i'm losing all my brand value attaching myself to you and my community because we have to bleep you out all the time yeah well i thought if you let one or two through you you know what I mean? That's right. Ask for forgiveness instead of permission. That's kind of my life philosophy. Hey, and by the way, if I didn't say those things, I wouldn't be the person that I was born to be. You know what I mean? So, I mean, it's kind of a tough balance. You know what I mean? It's kind of a tough balance for me all the time, but I'll figure it. Trent, you were awesome for us though. I want to ask a couple more follow-up questions though about like the mentality of being a guy there

if Aaron doesn't win here and you talked about the media taking a side and yesterday by the way yesterday morning Trent I almost lost my mind there was a lot of players saying that former players on TV they were like Aaron got nothing out of this this was a waste of time it was dramatic I'm like what are we even what are we even saying here? Because I think that was a narrative trying to be shaped. And from the very beginning, if you read Schefter's report, I read that and then I immediately went on the air and I was like, clearly the Packers told Adam all this information.

They made it out to be like, hey, we're trying to bend over backwards for this. I then got a couple text messages from some people that said, who told you that that was from the Packers? I was like, well, I have trying to bend over backwards for this. I then got a couple text messages from some people that said, who told you that that was from the Packers? I was like, well, I have a brain, and I read that thing, and I just tried to get through the narrative. I was told that wasn't the case. Whatever. The narrative shaping is everything.

Yes. You said if Aaron wins and he has that relational, is that what has to happen? How does this whole thing, especially with this press conference he's doing now where he's explaining everything. I just listened to a clip from the press conference where he listed off like 10 guys that were a part of the team that were kind of set out in disrespect. How does that go this year if they have a little bit of struggles? Or, like, what do you think has to happen for this year to kind of be a good one?

I think two things are going on here. One, Aaron is smarter than most. So what he's doing right now is he's shaping the narrative. He's not going to let the narrative be shaped for him. So right now, you're one of his teammates. And you're sitting there going, wow, my dude's fighting for me. Wow, my dude's still fighting for guys that aren't even here.

Oh, this guy, if I prove my worth to Aaron Rodgers, this guy will fight for me. And guess who doesn't fight for me? The organization. So it's going to be Aaron's going to fight for me and the organization is not going to fight for me. And I think that bunker mentality sometimes in the locker room can be super healthy when it's us against the world, right? It is, it is all of us, me, this team right here, we're the team and everybody else is against us. Well, guess have to do we got to come closer together because it's us against them and i think us against them can create magic in a locker room and i think the packers have a chance to create a us against them even if it's their own organization

and if that brings the players closer together and then those coaches embrace that and they capture this even though it's professional football. These are still young men. These are still guys that watch Friday Night Lights in the offseason on Netflix and get fired up. These are still guys that watch football movies and the hair on their arms stands up because they love ball. They love camaraderie. They love team. So you create that magic in the locker room, and now all of a sudden that relational equity I just talked about starts growing. Sure, they have some rocky roads in the middle.

Maybe they lose a couple games. Maybe things aren't going well. Guess what they do? They lean on each other. And now it's more of them against us, more of them against, sorry, the world. It's us against the world. It's us against the world. And they're really good, by the way. We're not talking about a middling team here. We're talking about a talented football team with really good coaches. So now they make another run into this thing, and maybe they finish the race. Now it's one of these epic team experiences. And I think that bond right there is more than another $15 million that somebody else could pair in Rodgers across the country.

Now he's like, oh, okay, I love this group. We went through battle together. We conquered the world together. I'm in for them. They're in for me. Let's go. Yeah. Let's change the front office. Yeah. Get them out. Trent, you've got a podcast coming out. I'm learning about, are you doing one now? When is this being released? I do. It's going to be released here in a couple of weeks. It's called Beyond the X's and O's. Congrats. That's pretty cool. Obviously, another one of Joey's ideas, not mine.

It's really taking these relationships. I have these quarterbacks, gold jacket, Hall of Famers to the young bucks that are just coming out and trying to let them tell the story of their journey and what they've learned through quarterback. We don't get a ton into the stuff that the mainstream media covers. We'll touch on it because there's obviously stuff people are interested in, but really they're stories. And I think there's a lot of people that will love the kind of the back story to their journeys as well as learn from it. So I'm excited about it. We've done a few, Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner. We've got a bunch next week, and it should be a fun show.

We can't thank you enough for stopping by. We hope you'll continue to do so. Good luck to your football team. Good luck on Beyond the X's and O's. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champ, Chad Telfer. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. Football is ramping up.

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