The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 477 - Training Camp Fights, Ian Rapoport, Wale, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: August 19, 2021

On today's show, Pat calls in from the desert to chat with the boys about all the different training camp fights that have been happening and how that's just how training camp is, Rob Demovsky's question from Aaron Rodgers press conference yesterday and the Packers unveiling new throwback uniforms, and video of Tom Brady coming out talking about Ryan Tannehill and whether or not he was that MFer. Joining Pat and AJ Hawk to do a training camp wrap up is NFL Network Insider, Ian Rapoport. Rapsheet chats about the joint practice between the Titans the Buccaneers, and the breaking news that Jets free agent acquisition Carl Lawson may have torn his achilles at a joint practice with the Packers today, what is going to happen with the Deshaun Watson situation before the season starts in 21 days, and who Rapsheet thinks will get the majority of the snaps at Quarterback for the Patriots in tonight's game between the Pats and Eagles (40:07-1:05:32). Next, joining Pat and AJ Hawk is a man who has a ridiculous number of bangers under his belt, a legend in the rap game, Wale. Pat, AJ, and Wale chat about his creative process and how it has changed over the course of his career, his love for the Washington Football Team, his football career at Robert Morris, potentially being Pat's manager for a WWE run, what's next for him, and much more (1:05:34-1:16:47). And later, Pat and AJ chat about joint practices at NFL training camps, Tom Brady's comments about Ryan Tannehill, and everything else happening around the league (1:20:18-1:43:43). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody, it is Thursday, August 19th. You are listening to the Pat McAfee Show 2.0. Pat still handling some business down in the desert before Friday night Smackdown tomorrow night and SummerSlam on Saturday. Good show today. Got some training camp talk. Ian Rappaport stops by for another rap sheet wrap-up.

Wale was on the show. That was an awesome conversation. And AJ Hawk is here as well. Can't thank you guys enough for listening. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Let's get into it. I'm out here in the middle of the desert still handling some business.

One night before, Smackdown invades Phoenix, and then SummerSlam is on Saturday night in Las Vegas, only available on the cock, Peacock. All the boys are back in Indianapolis. I can't wait to chat with them. I miss them. I can't believe I haven't been able to see them the last two days in real life. It is an honor to chat every day with you gentlemen at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt.

How are we feeling back in Indianapolis? Fantastic. The honor is all ours, Pat. And, you know, as you can see, I don't have the cans on anymore. I got these little Bose headphones. They're not too shabby. I feel like I'm listening to nothing, though. I'm very excited for the day. Well, I don't know what that means, but I want to let you know the mullet,

the Kentucky waterfall, the business on the front, the party in the back looks 10 to 20x better today with the earbuds, so you're not blocking it with the cans. And also, it looks like that song bitch is flowing a little bit better. Well, I learned yesterday that you do not have to go to Bed Bath & Beyond to get a hair dryer, blower, hairspray. So I actually went down to the CVS, grabbed them. And what I mean by it feels like I can't hear

is that I'm used to the cans being up so loud. But because I don't have as much of a massive headset on, I got to bump these things way up as loud as I can. Okay. I mean, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out. That's Ty Schmidt. There's been some big conversation over the last 24 hours out of Green Bay. First things first, I mean, Bob Domofsky delivers a beautiful punchline

while Aaron Rodgers has another press conference that he handles perfectly. Bob Domofsky has maybe our favorite moment from an actual journalist to a player in some real time, right, in a long time, Ty? Yeah, for sure. I mean, Bob Domofsky is the people's writer. We've always said that. You know, a lot of people, I think, thought that either Raj didn't like him or, you know, so there was a lot of that kind of stuff going around

when the Chef reports initially came out. Bob roger have always had a good relationship and as you can see i mean he's the i think he's the only guy who would feel comfortable enough to do something like this in a press conference and it slaughtered it was awesome okay so what we're referring to for those that don't know aaron rogers had a press conference anytime aaron rogers speaks now especially after everything that happened this offseason, everybody's going to listen. What are the questions that are going to be asked? Will he answer any of the questions?

Well, a situation occurred a few years ago where Aaron Rodgers said, you know, I love this fucking Kummerow guy. Came out and said it. You know, I love this Kummerow guy. Third wide receiver, fourth wide receiver, whatever the case. I have a good chemistry with this guy.

I think he can make our team better. Then literally the next day, Mark Murphy, Gintekunz, and others said, ah, we're going to cut that guy. Didn't tell Aaron anything. So it was a very public, open Aaron Rodgers, who now we know has never had any say on anything basically happening over there. He comes out and goes to bat for a guy publicly, which he probably hasn't done in the past because maybe he wants to do things.

Probably he's like, hey, nobody really listens to my shit over here, but I just want to let the world know, Kumro's fucking good. We deserve to give him a little... The next day, they cut him. The Packers cut him, literally the next day. People say, oh, they drafted Jordan Love. That's what made Aaron

Rodgers so mad. It was like, no, I think it was also the Kumro, the Kuhn, the Charles, everything that happened like that. So now Aaron's back, and he's talking up another unknown guy. Kafusi? Is that the name? Yeah, Bronson Kafusi. Kafusi.

So now Aaron's publicly speaking about another player called Kafusi. And Rob Domofsky, Bob Domofsky, the people's writer, the big J journalist who might have a little bit of a personality deep down underneath that cold-hearted journalism soul he has to have, asked an incredible question to lead off Aaron Rodgers' press conference. I can't wait to see what Kafusi does in Buffalo this year. But anyway, if you didn't know Morgan, this year but anyway you didn't know more Jesus Bob on the other side of that this is gonna be fascinating because we saw obviously Cobb come back and that

was allegedly the first thing that Aaron you know wanted back on the team then he's putting out tweets or Instagram stories about Clay Matthews, like, hey, Thor, hey, guy, that basically got run out of the Rams, took the year off last year, still got paid by the Rams last year, still got some. You come on in here. Now he's talking about Kofusi. I mean, there is a lot of situations here for us to kind of get a grasp

on how much Gunter Kunzez and Murphy and Aaron are really coming together, Ty. I feel like the 50s uniforms we will talk about here in a second. Oh, yeah. I like a little change up. Hell yeah. Change up. Look like a little green machine out there.

I like a little change up. But the synergy of Aaron, Gunter Kuntz, and Mark Murphy, how are we? How do you feel as a fan watching along? And how does it end up? I feel good at this point. You know, I mean, the whole time it was just like, is Raj going to show up? Is he going to retire? Is he going to be someone else or somewhere else?

Now that he's there, I don't think there's really any issues. There's no point in looking into the future. It's comforting to hear him say, like, hey, I don't want, like, you know, a retirement tour or, tour like a farewell tour whatever like he's focused on this year he's he's talked about being present being in the moment so i i mean i think as a fan you know you can't get too ahead of yourself but went to the nfc championship last year you bring back the most important piece like i'm i'm very very excited and hopeful for the season to start same press conference ty is talking about where aaron

said this isn't a farewell tour i'm not looking ahead i have no idea he said i'm gonna try to enjoy the hell out of it what this is this season this team this run and then deal with everything in the off season it seems like is the right strategy bold strategy i'm pumped to see how the Gunter Kunst Murphy Aaron Rodgers saga Real Housewives type situation unfolds through the season because there's going to be trade deadlines there's going to be a team that maybe an injury happens can we get back

as quick as possible there's going to be a lot of things that potentially can unfold where Aaron I think I'm not 100% sure but has the potential on Tuesdays every once in a while to maybe air some grievances or ideas. I'm real excited for the season, and hopefully Aaron will be able to say,

you know, I don't want to just wear these 50s Lambeau Green Bay Packers jerseys on week seven one time against Washington. I want to wear these sons of bitches every damn game. Bakhtiari, big, handsome, sewn bitch from number 69 wearing these uniforms. It is a beautiful thing whenever teams say, hey, we're going to do something a little different. Now, is it a cash grab because they'll sell those jerseys to everybody that's in the stadium and people want to feel alive, look alive?

Absolutely. Is it something that maybe adds a little bit more for a flair for your marketing? Absolutely. But I like the fact that the players seem to love it. Ty, I saw you as a Packers fan. A lot of people on the internet are going to flame a lot of things. Immediately upon seeing this, it's green and it's yellow. Green and yellow.

Green and yellow. Green and yellow. Green and yellow. They're not. Green and yellow. Green and yellow. They're not the easiest colors to make look sweet, okay? Everybody needs to remember that whenever these uniforms come out. A football uniform looks like a football uniform all the time. It's not the easiest, most fashionable thing to make happen. Plus the green and yellow.

I don't know if that's like super swag colors out there or not but i like it ty you like this and let's see more of this oh yeah i love it i absolutely love it i mean like digs has talked about this a lot you know and the colts too like they're so traditional when they do these new uniform things like there really are no changes because it's tried and true it's the same thing like the packers throwback they do the Acme Packers one but like it's not a great you know combo they got brown pants and like a navy jersey and a yellow helmet like it's just a weird it's just a weird mashup if you look at their old logo like these these colors are true to that I like that they went for it a little bit I saw a lot of people saying like oh it just looks like you know one of oregon's leftover uniforms like get out of time this looks incredible and guess

what you know what the football team isn't gonna love it when they're getting the football shoved down their throats with these green and gold uniforms i think they're awesome the football team i think they're awesome as well and if you you get one of Oregon's sloppy seconds or sloppy tenths uniforms, I think you're pretty pumped about that because Oregon's uniforms are unbelievable. Nasty. I mean, Phil Knight's literally back in the kitchen back there cooking up new uniforms for him every single day. Every day, Phil Knight's like, hey, you remember how we changed the game here at Oregon?

I was a runner. And I said, hey, give me that waffle frying pan and let me put some rubber in there and then he created souls and then Nike happened and now he's a gazillionaire I think since that happened Oregon was gifted with every cool thing of all time first and before everybody else so those saying it's a knockoff Oregon jersey I think every Nike uniform is probably a knockoff Oregon jersey at i think every nike uniform is probably a knockoff oregon jersey at this point without phil knight has viewed that thing when you when they do stuff like this like i know how you said like you had to buy one of your captain's jerseys and and uh like they don't just like give you that kind of stuff like is this getting taken out of your check when like they

have these new like uh throwback uniforms or whatever like are they are they nickel and diamond you guys over this kind of stuff i don't recall because we only did one real throwback and it was a blue helmet we had a blue helmet on and i think i have it still so i don't know if i bought it or if they gave it to me i'm not 100 sure but it was a big day when the colts did it because the colts never ever ever do it. And I think the jerseys being purchased by players has been something that has maybe happened forever at different spots. But then once the jersey exchange thing became the fad, you know, all the teams, it started getting spotlighted a lot more and a lot more. So I had to buy the jerseys that I wanted to keep. They charged me for it. They just kind of take it out of your, you know,

you don't even know if you buy it. They just take it out of your check. You know, it was money that was never there. Yeah, that's a good point. Bingo. They do it with taxes for the county, the state. But. Yeah.

Yeah, if it's not there, I mean, it's not there. So I'm not sure. I don't recall what it was with the throwback. I like the teams do it, though. I think it's smart business-wise. I think it keeps it fresh with the fans, too. Go to the Steelers jersey. It has McAfee on the back of it right over Conor's shoulder there. That Bumblebee one from the Steelers, people bash that one. I think it's fucking awesome. I love it whenever it's out there.

The Packers one is kind of like very, it looks like you're watching old school baseball almost with the way they're dressed. But I just think it's cool whenever you keep things fresh like that. But I understand the tradition and the business side of it all, whatever it is. More press conference conversation though.

Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are joint practicing with the Tennessee Titans, led by Old Raves and the boys. So far going into the show, there had been five fights at the practice just this morning. There was four reported. And as we were talking about that fourth one, Fournette and somebody else got into it to make it five. Five fights between the Titans and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in joint practices. And I have in one day, and I have no idea how that doesn't happen. Every single joint practice every single day. I think I've been pretty

loud on that train for a long time. And I think this all, you know,, our reaction mostly, from whenever there was a fight at Giants practice or a fight somewhere else or a fight in Detroit and the head coach goes, I like that. These guys are fired up, man. Love to see that competitive edge, man. Let them fight. I hope a guy breaks his hand swinging on somebody. Okay, so MCDC didn't say that, but everybody kind of went after MCDC.

They went after the Giants, all this culture's bad, this culture's bad. There was a lot of people that were living in a fairytale land that don't understand, like, hey, when it's 100 degrees and you're in training camp, which is a miserable existence, you're getting paid well if you make the team. If you make the team, you're getting paid well. But training camp is a miserable time. And if you make the team, okay, if you make team you're getting paid Well, the training camp is a miserable time and if you're just running your fit Hey, thank you break take a break grab water, okay back in there

Face right back in there Bang, face just back in. Boom, face right back in there. And by the way, last night, I wasn't able to sleep on my own bed. Had to sleep in a dorm. When I had to go piss at 3 a.m. because they tell me to stay hydrated, I actually bumped into one of our nose tackles on the way down the hall to pee because it was a public bathroom that we had to go to. The food I'm eating is cafeteria food. I've been in meetings for eight hours a day for the last five days.

I'm a little bit tired. Muscles are a little bit sore. I get back on the field and guess, look, another one face to face. Another one face to face. 120 degrees now. Humidity 200%. Bang, face to face. Boom, face to face.

That's what training camp is. There is a good chance that guys who have the edge to make it to the nfl after running their face into a fucking guy when it's a hundred degrees and they're already potentially set up to be miserable the dog days are how these things are described fights are going to happen emotion's going to happen intensity is going to happen and it is no different down there in tampa with old tenn old Tennessee Titans and Buccaneers camp they're brawling Rams and Raiders are brawling I mean the Cowboys and Rams last week were brawling it feels like we're set up for a great NFL season feels like the boys are ready to go and no matter

what like you said there's going to be fights but then you consider it's a Bruce Arians coach team and it's a Mike Vrabel coach team. It's like, hey, it doesn't really matter if they're just, you know, on the opposite side of a play. Those dudes probably want to see some sort of fight, right? Like, are there coaches who, okay, we're going to condemn fighting, but don't forget, like, you better go out there and compete and actually show us you care?

Or is everybody just kind of like, hey, it's going to happen no matter what. It doesn't matter. I'm not sure i haven't been around but i'm certain not all coaches are condemning fighting yeah yeah you know like yeah they're like i don't know if there's been a memo sent to coaches maybe telling uh hey need your players not to fight as much at training camp i don't know if that's a point of emphasis for uh by from the NFL or not. But Vrabes, I mean, from everything we know about him, and we don't know much, never met him personally, just the stories we have heard from people that do know him. If he was to watch his team practice against, let's say the Buccaneers or anybody else, and one of their running backs just catches an

extra late elbow or something something and nobody does anything, I'd assume Vrabes would punish the team a lot harder for not fighting for their guy than he would for fighting for the guy. There's probably more moments happening like that that everybody on the Titans knows. Like, hey, if I don't show up for my teammates, if I'm on film going the other way when a fight is happening let's assume the head coach that is known for being one of the toughest humans to ever play in the nfl a guy who still puts on boxing let's assume that guy's going to be pissed that i didn't go to a battle for my

teammates and that's what i think there's a lot of coaches. Vrabes kind of gets that. There's a lot of coaches that view it that way. That's why even my little punk dumb ass, if a fight ever happened between the team I was on and the other team, and it was near me, helmet on, sprint towards action. Okay. Who knows what you're going to do in there? Probably going to eat an uppercut, maybe the jaw. You don't have the mouthpiece and could be in trouble. My face mask was also too close to my face. So somebody could have broken my nose with a punch. But I'm getting in there because on film, you can't be the guy going the other direction. So when you're talking B.A. and in Braves, I think that's a very valid point.

That ain't nobody want to be on film running the other motherfucking way in Football will always be a physical violent sport. Let's assume that fights are always gonna happen Regardless and let's remember that for next year when people are saying all these Archaic barbarian assholes can't get with the times are still fighting out there. It's like let's put let's put the most I won't put Gandhi. Okay, that's the most peaceful person oh yeah i will put gandhi in some pads put him in a three technique and have him run his run his face into somebody you know just for two hours i assume gandhi at some point is going to give a quote that isn't as inspiring, motivational and peaceful. I assume at the end of that, there's going to be a.

Turns out I do fucking hate people, you know, like I just think it's a recipe for that. And we're getting a chance to see it. Antonio Brown got into it with a corner. I assume that's a holding talk shit situation. Antonio Brown, who is known to be very intense, worked very hard. He got into it got sent into cool off he got brought i think uh i think that's going to continue to happen and it's nice to know there's still a lot of edge out there a little fire out there no matter how the game is well with the raiders too that was a special team scrimmage they said where some sort of fight broke

out and mike mayock was ripping dudes off the pile. Like for you, how does a special teams fight break out? Is that the same thing, a hold, some sort of bullshit penalty, or someone even tries and goes to block a punt kick and then they get a little too close to the punter? Like did you have kind of like a red jersey type of, hey, no one go near the punter or else we're kind of screwed in one phase of the game? So we only did one joint practice and it was with the Bears. The Bears.

And I think Fox was the coach i think yeah i think fox was the coach robbie gold was still the kicker pat o'donnell was the punter uh kyle long was on the team they came to indianapolis it was the first time i'd ever experienced anything like that in the football world i'd never experienced it and we're separated for most of it. And then some of the drills you came together, there was like a special teams period where everybody came together and it was ones on ones punt, punt block, right? They're going to run some twists in action. We're going to try to hold them up and then we're going to punt. Returners going to try to catch gunners. I think halfway downfield, maybe with the people blocking them. And they're going to

try to like as simulated as much as possible So the special teams coaches And everybody can get good looks At who can potentially get off the ball Who can block, who can't That's where a lot of guys are trying to make a team Make a club for special teams meetings But now, both Chicago and Indy

I think the special teams coaches Loved it Because you're getting a chance to see all the guys you're trying to read the waiver wire for anyways. And I thought, you know, because I had watched a lot of practices, you know, stay away from the fucking quarterback is something that is yelled a lot. So when I was jogging out for this punt period, you know, I was like, is anybody going to say like, hey, stay away from fucking Pat.

Like, is anybody going to say nobody said it? Nobody at all said it. But my PP at the time, he he turned around right before that. And it was like a game rep. You know, like my PP, I think it was Clayton Gethers. He'd been my PP for a long time. I think it was like a game rep. You know, like my PP, I think it was Clayton Gethers. He'd been my PP for a long time. I think it was him. He turned around and said,

ain't none of these motherfuckers getting close or whatever. Okay. And there was a couple where he, you know what I mean? It was a real thing. But I thought there was going to be a fight like every rep. Because in special teams, that is literally a roster spot for roster spot right there. That is how you're going to get paid either for the Raiders or for the Rams,

for us, the Bears or the Colts. A lot of those guys are probably going to get cut and moved to different teams. So those special teams periods get very, very intense. It was very professional, the one that I went to. But, yeah, you could see how, you know, somebody who potentially has nothing to lose could get pissed off when somebody else who has potentially nothing to lose does something disrespectful. And then the whole ball starts.

I like that Mayock though is going in there and diving and grabbing guys. Oh yeah. All you need is just what one quick, like pool with a helmet and Mayock's what dead. Yeah. Blown out. Unless Mayock has a helmet to get in there. Oh,

well, uh, I was, I was curious. Do you think because the Bucs won the Super Bowl last year, like are they – you know, you said there were five, six fights today. Like are they more susceptible to this? Like because teams are like, hey, let's go compete against these guys really?

Or do you think it's just like that's just the way it is? There are always going to be fights. Like it's not necessarily heightened because the bucks are coming to town. Yeah. I think there's just always going to be fights. I just, and that's, I mean, I know some people are going to hate to hear that. I just, I honestly believe that what we described here for the last 15 minutes is going to lead to a potential altercation between some people who are violent

for a living yeah you know it's like the um we talk about uh and we have before where the cage fighters will maybe make bad decisions outside of the cage you know like a bet well no shit there's a chance that's going to happen with the same brain. And I'm not saying every cage fighter is this way. I'm just saying let's assume that there are some brains that don't make great decisions that end up fighting in a cage for a living. Let's assume that that happens. People that play football, let's assume some of them are actually violent people. Football is how they get a lot of their aggression out and anger out. is how they get a lot of their aggression out and anger out.

Whenever you have somebody that's not on your team, and you get a chance to prove how loyal you are to your team at the same exact time for a potential job, I mean, it's just, it's ripe for a brawl. Like, that is just what it is. That's why, once again, I have no idea how these joint practices don't end up as a fucking SummerSlam like card from beginning to end in team period special teams two minute I don't know how they're not brawling all the damn time let's move around the NFL just a

little bit more Jason Wright the president of the Washington football team the team you know cuz I'm out here in the desert with the team by the way just yesterday yeah yeah i saw a monsoon in the desert oh what? Excuse me? Yeah, I was here. First monsoon since 2014 out here in the desert. I'm here. I seen it rain in the desert yesterday. There is an inspirational quote in there somewhere, Ty Schmidt. There ain't never supposed to be a flood or a monsoon in the middle of the goddamn desert. That's why it's titled the desert Desert because it is deserted of water. There is brown everywhere.

There's cactuses and cacti that are supposed to store the only water inside of them. Yesterday, I see Mother Nature taking entirely massive piss all over this desert. And if you can't find motivation that sometimes what's not supposed to happen can happen in a big time moment, I don't know what you're going to find motivation out of time. Hey, be careful. I know you told us off air yesterday, you were thinking about going and scaling that mountain behind you, you know, like Alex Honnold, you're in free solo with the rain and everything. I mean, we were looking at mudslides and said, be safe out there, please. Well, I appreciate that. And thank you for looking out for me. But I have seen Alex Honnold climb the Dawn Wall.

Right. True. Okay? So I've seen the film. I've watched the film. If I'm going to attack Camelback back here in Gorilla Rock, there's a Gorilla Rock over here. Yeah, it's like a rock. By the way, I don't know if that's its actual name.

Me and Sam named it. Nice. Okay, because it's a rock. By the way, I don't know if that's its actual name. Me and Sam named it. Nice. Okay, because it's a rock that sticks up from Camelback, and it looks like a gorilla looking off in the distance or whatever. So I was thinking about climbing Gorilla Rock when we first got here. Sure. After the monsoons, it's way too shiny. Can't do it.

Because I'm going to need all that shock. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. And normally out here in the desert, it's just chalk. Normally, without dry, it's normally just chalk. But with how much rain they had yesterday, they said two to three days, you're going to see green in places there isn't normally green.

All this shit just grew up on the mountains that normally is dead, by the way. First sense of water, just like fucking green on the mountains, and then it'll be gone in like a day or so. It was insane out here. Are there still tarantulas everywhere, or did those things also get washed away with all the water? Yeah, everybody has kind of learned about the tarantulas out here via my wife's Instagram story.

The tarantulas just swim, I guess. Like in the pool down here, tarantulas just swimming through the pool. The locals said that's not normal at all. So, of course, I'm stuck with the fucking tarantula pool. The locals have no idea what it is, but I love it out here. I can't stress it enough.

Now, granted, I got to see some rain, so maybe it wasn't as thick yesterday as it's probably going to be today. I walked outside. I can imagine. A little humidity, too, by the way, because of what happened yesterday. The desert with humidity, you can probably guess. I love it

out here, though. I absolutely love it out here. Well, they check off most of the boxes, right? I mean, they have legal gambling coming soon. I believe the marijuana is legal out there, too. They really do have everything in Arizona. Who would have thought? Not me.

Well, and I think the only thing that they're kind of like scared of over here, you know, because what do you got in California? You got fires and earthquakes, right? Yep, sure. Fires and earthquakes are things in California, although the weather is unbelievable, piece and piece for that. Middle of America, you got what? Tornadoes.

Tornadoes, yep. Flooding. In the south, Middle of America, you got what? Tornadoes? Tornadoes, yep. Flooding. In the south, you got flooding. You got hurricanes. Tornadoes. In the northeast, you just got to deal with mass holes. Well, no. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's pretty easy, though. Yeah, there's potential disasters everywhere. You know what I mean? True. And I think out here in the desert, normally, what is it? Just how dry it is? That's what they got to deal with? Oh, yeah.

You get that dry heat. You see a lot of the, you know, it's 94 out, feels like 194. It's beautiful, though, out here, man. And maybe it's because the rain came yesterday. I got to see that, and it kind of cooled it off or whatever. I fucking love this place. The last time I was out here for, like, an extended time, Foxy and I flew out here for something wrestling-wise,

and then we flew out, like, a day later. We were in a hotel. Now that I'm kind of in a house getting to see it and like drive around the last time i was out here for some real time was for the fiesta bowl we talked about this yesterday and that fiesta bowl was after the 13-9 game you know i mean it was after the 13-9 pick game we ended up in the fiesta bowl so at that moment in my life i was thinking about a lot of things you know because i wanted to disappear there for a bit and now here i am it's pretty cool to come back to the same area because we're practicing on a field right over here there's a junior college we're practicing on i actually saw it whenever we came out here for the fiesta bowl and it was just like it's cool it's cool's cool. Like, hey, the last time I was here, I was in a much different mindset.

Now I'm, like, doing business out here. It's a real coming of, like, full circle coming of age tale here. But these fucking mountains are no joke. I do believe there's rattlers. So you got to watch that. Jeez. I would have never assumed that that big, bald BFS AQ Shipley was on to something when he moved out to Phoenix. He's been texting everybody out here, by the way, that I'm here.

The chef at this place that I'm staying at fucking gave us the biggest shark board of all time. Yeah, and it took up this whole thing. We're playing a little dominoes there last night. I'm fucking undefeated in the desert, obviously. But the shark board ate up this whole thing, basically. And the note on it said, AQ said you were in town. So I think AQ might be the fucking mayor. I'm not 100% sure.

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He's a college football national champion. He's a Super Bowl champion. He has a chin reminiscent of the Crimson Chin. Ladies and gentlemen, a guy who raises hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars for good causes every other week of his life. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. Yeah!

Hey, what's happening, man? How is it out there? Cat got your tongue there early, dude. You everything all right? Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah, you sound good. Can you hear me?

Yeah, I was waiting on you. You want to go around the room and see how everybody's doing again? No, I don't want to do that. We'll let the callers handle that. I woke up this morning ready to debate you. I won't let you know that. I was excited. I'm like, you know what?

Today, big debate day with A.J. Hawk. Hell yeah. Thursday. That's what they say. Thursday is debate day here at PMS. Well, we like to throw it back to what sports talk is supposed to be. Sports talk is supposed to be two bland whites yelling at each other, telling them they're wrong.

Yeah, we got it. Let's get right in that groove, man. You see Max Kellerman's out at first take? Is that real or not? What happened? Did something happen? Or they acted like it was to have him do other projects? I don't know yet.

They said, hey, he'll be on ESPN Radio more. He'll be doing a little bit more of this. He's got his own boxing show. I think it's called Max on Boxing or something like that. But first take with Stephen A., the highest paid guy at ESPN, that's the show, right? Are they just moving him out? They said they're going to put a couple different people in there. Are they trying out

a bunch of people? Are they maybe making a big signing to battle against Stephen A every day? Molly's allegedly sticking around. What's going on at first take, AJ? Are you potentially going in there? You love to debate. I mean, if their producers, whoever's making decisions

over there, know anything about me, they know that that is kind of my wheelhouse. I want to debate, and I want to debate every topic, too, because I feel very passionately about most everything that is spoken about on TV. Ty, where the fuck has Zubin been? Thank you. Yeah, we've been asking for quite some time. I think Zubin was dealing with some difficulties related to diabetes um they've kind of just strung him along though his name's still on the show he's not really on it anymore but that is what was interesting with kellerman too is i'm pretty sure

the initial like revamped esbn radio lineup he had his own show and i think they shit cam that as well i don't know if it was recently or if it happened a while ago, but they're saying he is going to slide into Zubin's role potentially on Keyshawn and Jay Williams in the morning. Okay, so that's why I obviously asked that. I knew that that was the plan, of course. That's why I asked. I'm really piecing it together. I did all my research. So then who do they put in there with Stephen A?

Are they going to pay Skip that $8.5 million they planned on doing it before he went to Fox? It's Sacho's time. They said it was a rotating cast. They said it's a very short walk from get up over to first take. So whoever's basically on get up, we know, as Gumby just said, it's time for Sacho. Dano.

That's what I was about to say. I've never been invited over to the first take set, although I have been at the get up set upset numerous times it is a rather short walk I've never been able to open those doors and see where the magic of first take is but Dan Orlovsky seems to be the battling counterpart to basically anything right at this point is that not is this Orlovsky's job is Orlovsky now is it his job to lose? What are the persons going to get in there and get actually pissed about their feelings against Stephen A? It has to

be somebody like Dan Orlovsky, right AJ? I think Dan sounds perfect for that gig. I would assume they're going to rotate some people through early to see who does best or who's most comfortable but do you think Max wanted to leave the show? Does he have any say in this? I don't know if why Max would wanted to leave the show? Does he have any say in this? I don't know why Max would want to leave the show.

Yeah, no way. Me and Max have never met. I've never chatted with Max. You know, Max, I watch Max on the television do his thing or whatever, and he has some interesting thoughts, if those are his genuine thoughts, obviously. But I'd imagine you're not trying to get out of first take with Stephen A at ESPN. I don't know. Unless you're trying to just get in of first take with Stephen A at ESPN. I don't know. Unless you're trying to just get in Stephen A's world on ESPN Plus full time.

I am not 100%. Maybe this is a build for ESPN Plus, though. Maybe they're giving Max more work because of how good he is done on first take. Maybe he is seeing this as a compliment, as a up the workload a little bit. I don't know if that's a good idea because no one watches any of that shit on ESPN Plus, their original programming. Outside of Peyton's places, no one's watching any of those fucking shows.

Period. Sorry, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no one's fucking watching them. You remember when they pitched me? Listen to this, AJ. They wanted me to do a show that I would record from midnight to 2 a.m. every day. Alright? Wait, you would record it?

Why would you record it at midnight? Well, becausem every day all right i get highlights record it wait 30 minutes that time why would you record it at midnight well because it was after every all the games were played so after all the games are played for the day i record a wrap-up show only seen on espn plus but i get highlights we'll give you 60 60 bucks a day or whatever you do this and it'll be great you'll be you'll have the time of your life you know yeah espn plus obviously with the bundle with disney don batista's telling us about it'll be massive it'll be a catapult for your career i was doing i was like all right well you can fuck off i'm not doing that but they really they don't promote any of that shit on there if you go to espn plus if you

go to the app the only thing that people are using that is like if games are blacked out in your area or if there's a game on espn plus that's not available anywhere like you have to fucking dive through the biggest thing yeah i think ufc is probably the biggest thing on espn plus for sure that article did say that they might kind of turn first take into steven a's world probably because nobody's watching steven a's world on espn plus Yeah, Stephen A's World might be good. Nobody's seen it. What is that? The Payton's Place, though, is... What's that? Go ahead, AJ.

What exactly is Stephen A's World? He just does a bunch of shit. He just does a bunch of different things. It's basically he does a variety sports variety show. That's where the Stephen A's list came from. Obviously, there's some baby Stephen A and some other takes that he has. I think he does some interviews on there.

It's basically just like a Stephen A show almost as opposed to just a debate show. If they feel as if all that is good and it's not being seen by anybody because nobody's really going to ESPN Plus for their day-to-day, only going for events or blacked out games, like Peyton's Place is, let's get that shit on ESPN as well then because that thing is unbelievably well done. Yeah, it's incredible. But I wonder, do you think that that's probably going to take a little bit of a backseat if they're doing this new Monday Night Football thing, right?

I don't know if they're in talks to have another season of Peyton's Place as yet. I mean, I'm sure ESPN would do whatever to make sure that happens, but if he's committed to this Monday Night Football thing, I't know you know I think that kind of goes on the back burner all right honest question here and this is going to go to Connor okay Connor you love the NBA obviously we're all big Kobe Bryant Mamba mentality fans here did you ever watch the detail on ESPN plus by him have you gone in there and watched that seems like something that I have never even thought about watching but if it maybe it's because it was on ESPN Plus, that's why I'm never in there. Yeah, I mean I love basketball I'm a little jaded towards ESPN, but I have gone in once to watch detail. It is pretty good

It was the Jason Tatum episode. So that's really the only reason I went in there and it's good But I mean nobody wants to nobody's you know going onto their tv like oh espn plus what what came out today from espn plus i think that's the biggest problem that is happening with steven's a's world and that's why they're doing steven a verse the world as the first take thing i think that was the name of the show idea they were thinking of in that 10 o'clock slot oh so a bunch of random pissed off people are coming in to debate steven a on different different topics hey if it's a sports uh football thing we'll bring in football students to debate if it's basketball we'll bring

basketball students debate if it's uh vaccinations we'll bring a politician into debate is that what steven a is going to be doing he's just going to be debating everybody out there? Yeah, I don't know if they'll bring in a politician. They'll probably just bring in Stink. But they also, I think for basketball, we're going to bring in Perk. I think Perkins. This is going to be a big Kendrick Perkins push,

probably leading to a carry-on show, if I had to guess. Carry the hell on. I hope they do great. I can't wait to see who Stephen A is burying. Max Kellerman has done a great job doing that for the past couple years. Now, joining us is a man who maybe

could hop in there and get buried. I'm not sure if he would be up for the gig or not. Knows more about all the things we like to know about than everybody else on Earth. Senior NFL insider for the NFL at NFL Network and NFL.com and the host of the show that is currently on

hiatus because we think it's been canceled. Rap sheet and friends for his weekly rap sheet wrap up ladies and gentlemen Ian Rappaport. What's going on man you got any inside information on who's going to be debating Stephen A over there at ESPN? I do not. The only inside information I had at ESPN was when Robert Griffin III was going there, which I was very happy to put out on Twitter because that was just a fun one. Plus, he's going to be really, really good.

But I don't have any good Stephen A. info. Max Kellerman and I did go to the same school. Whoa! So, that's, I mean... We're both people. Whoa. So that's, I mean. Roommates. We're both people. That's basically what we have in common.

Well, I've been going to the same school, both being humans. That's a lot in common, more than I have with Max Kellerman. I mean, we're both humans, did not go to the same school, and not in the whole journalism world. But let's move on and let's talk football here. This week it seems like not a lot happened besides from all the fights everywhere you might be getting a text right now telling us differently but is there any big news stories of the week in your eyes from the nfl ian uh i would say well there was one um which was the jamal adams contract extension big deal kind of ending that saga um

actually pulled me off the golf course earlier this week to make sure my phone didn't die so i could put that out it was tough but honestly i i ended up persevering and getting it so um that was a very nice moment and nice for him too he got you know 70 million dollars um just now a couple minutes ago carl lawson the big money pass rusher for the jets was just carted off at practice um seems like a lower leg injury i don't know the severity um but being carted off from practice in a lot of pain with your teammates kneeling around you is never good news um and you know obviously for um you know obviously for the jets. I mean, this was one of their big money, big time guys who has been awesome, one of their best players in practice.

So that's something we will keep an eye on and, you know, potentially may have some news depending on how long we'll be on this show right here. Hey, what are you hearing about not only Saquon Barkley, but Joe Burrow, two guys coming back from knee injuries? We've heard Burrow talk about his little struggles early in camp maybe. Have you heard that these guys are progressing, going to be fine? Well, we'll start with Burrow because, you know,

I remember when I kind of first came into this, I was covering Tom Brady with the Patriots, and he was coming off an ACL, you know, a similarly serious contact-type injury. And I remember my first month on the beat, Brady did not look like himself. And I was like, what are all these people talking about? You know, I'd covered college, I'd covered Alabama, and I didn't know enough, honestly, to be covering the Patriots.

So I remember looking at Brady, and I'm like, this is Tom Brady? Because he didn't look like himself. And it probably took, I'd say, four or five weeks for him to get back in the groove and, like, look like Tom Brady again. And so if you told me that Joe Burrow, coming off a serious injury. Uh-oh. Oh, here we go. Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.

Can I call you guys back? Oh. Oh, no. I'll call you right back. I'll call you guys back oh oh no i'll call you right back wow now we answer did he answer when i said is it something big i couldn't hear anything did he say yeah it seemed big because he said i'll call you right back yeah he said i'll call you right back yeah okay because he his eyes they want to screen and then back down very quickly. And then mid-sentence, I'm out of here. What happened? Somebody get fined?

Another fight happen? Did somebody get hurt? Is it Carl Lawson? It's not a fine. There's no way it's a fine. Maybe. Did you see what Antonio Brown did to a guy down there in Tennessee? Hey, Antonio Brown.

These fights have been happening, AJ. You and I have been on this side for a long time. You in the game, me just watching a lot of these practices. There was five fights whenever we came on to the show at the Titans-Buccaneers practice today. Just today, five of them. They are Rams, Raiders, they're brawling. I mean, everybody's fighting right now. This is training camp, baby.

Training camp's happening, AJ Hawk. Yeah, they're in the thick of it, they're practicing together so wait did the Bucks Titans have five themselves yeah yeah and they didn't cancel practice or anything usually you'll at least all right we're splitting up for the rest of the day no frames had a big old dip and he said let these boys keep fighting and then B.A said I don't care yeah let him he drove his golf cart off for able one running down the road and said yeah they'll fight all night probably had 10 cigarettes couple beers in there entire time goes into the team meeting afterwards he goes you guys fucking happy huh six fights that make you feel good make you feel tough not one of you back down

though which is what I like that's why I want you on my team that's probably what Vrabel said Antonio Brown got into it with a corner. He got sent off the field, and then he came back out. That was like the fourth fight, I think, of the day. And there are some pictures coming out now. Antonio Brown, Miles Garrett, his old buddy, took his helmet off of him, okay? And then he landed a left jab right to the jaw. And if you do recall, when Antonio Brown was going through through his life saga shit and he was going to box somebody and antonio brown's going to get his ass beaten i

said i remember saying like hey antonio brown's one of the most explosive athletes on earth let's assume yeah go back to that other one oh hey let's assume that if antonio brown wants to learn how to box and fight he's going to be able to figure it out. He's quicker than you. He works his ass off. And he's an explosive athlete. I think he did have a good left hand there. I don't know if he knocked old buddy out, but what a fucking punch there.

Anytime you have your helmet off at training camp and the scrum's happening, big-time nightmare situation, and they be landed one. It seems right on the button if i had it's super rare what's that sorry but think how rare it is to land that clean in a fight in a training camp usually it's tough to get a good shot with anybody let alone this helmet off and you land completely solid and ab is a lefty too so that's his power shot so just like jake paul told us that floyd hit him with an uppercut clean on his eye after the I got your hat situation, and he didn't get knocked out.

He went and told his brother, he said, hey, he hit me clean. I didn't even feel it except for this black guy. I'll be excited to hear what the other guy said, what Antonio Brown, who seems to have connected rather clean with a jaw there in a football fight. Normally, you know, uppercuts are trying to happen because that's where potentially open. People are trying to get them in the Adam's apple, but whenever you're doing that, you've got shoulder pads involved. The helmet is obviously not fun.

That's why those scrums normally become just a big old ah, ah, ah, ah situation. Are they still in the field? Do we know right now? There's no way. I mean, they had like an hour and a half on the field two hours ago okay no so they're done well are they scheduled to practice together tomorrow uh probably all the way up until their game which is so friday or saturday yeah one of the two so maybe one more day of practices unless they're done this is the last day tom brady's talking about about who he was potentially referring to in that motherfucker because he was asked.

I didn't even think that it could potentially be Ryan Tannehill and the Tennessee Titans. But Boston Connor and the internet are sold after what happened yesterday in the press conference. And Tom Brady was referring to Ryan Tannehill when he said that motherfucker. Listen to this exchange, AJ, and we'll talk on the other side of this. No, Connor has some very strong feelings about it. How about Ryan? He's a great player. He's obviously a great deal for that team.

He's done a great job. Last year was phenomenal. The year before that, he was great. I really love Ryan. I've competed against him a lot. He's beaten me quite a few times, so I think he's a great player. But he wasn't that MF-er in the shop? Did you say MF-er all the way?

Yeah, he wasn't that MF-er. Oh, with Ryan? Yeah. Oh, Ryan was a great guy. No, I like Ryan. Oh, I was just talking. Tom, how's this stuff? I personally don't even think that he even thought of Ryan Tannehill

potentially being that motherfucker, personally. That's why I think whenever he heard thought of Ryan Tannehill potentially being that motherfucker personally. That's why I think whenever he heard the question, his reaction was like, oh, Ryan, no. But Connor, who has watched Thomas Edward, Patrick Brady, the seconds, every single move his entire life, sold that it's Tannehill. Is that right, Connor? A thousand percent. Him saying, oh, Ryan Ryan like they hadn't been talking about Tannehill the entire time he had to play that off he had a little uh gesture movement a

little uncomfortable it seems and by the way you think it's a coincidence that they're asking about Tannehill being that motherfucker and Brady probably telling the team hey this is the team that said no to me and that's why I'm here so let's go out there and beat their fucking ass and if they want to fight we'll fight and we'll give it right back to him I am a thousand percent convinced especially because the Titans beat Brady the last time he played for New England so he probably thought to himself on that sideline man they got Derrick Henry they got a great old line Mike Vrabel's like my best friend I love that guy to death he's my son's favorite player I want to go play for the Titans next year.

They'll let me go over there. Tannehill beat me four times with the Dolphins, but the Dolphins get us damn near every year, so they'll definitely let me over there. And then all of a sudden, Vrabel gives him a massive contract. Brady's sitting there with his dick in his hand, and he's basically just like, you know what? Screw the Titans.

I'll go to the nfc and i'll go to the super bowl and we act like oh well tannehill's good every quarterback in the nfl is below brady when you think about who he is so and everybody could be that motherfucker but especially a guy like ryan tannehill who's the quarterback for his best friend's team so aj that's what i'm saying that i didn't think it was Tannehill at all, and then Conor's first reaction was that to me this morning, that it was definitely him. He lays out a compelling case, A.J., a compelling argument, though.

He does, and his argument does make some sense. I don't know everything he was saying, but just watching the video of Tom made me suspect. Am I cutting out again? No. No, no. Why? You're just saying how uncomfortable he got when the question was asked? I noticed early on, I'm going to watch that again, too, when he said

like, oh, was he that MF? Or the guy said, and Tom pauses, and he's like, you can't say MF. Did you say MF? You just kind of changed the subject almost. Yes. Shy away from what we're talking about. So you think he was trying to delay his answer, defer his answer by putting the attention back on the question. In my eyes, I thought Tom was like, Ryan. I thought he was like taken back almost about that even being referenced.

Yeah, I think either he truly was like taken back. Like, oh, no. Or he's a really good actor. Because if I was lying, that's probably how I would handle it. What? Oh, no. You don't really have an answer. Tom Brady is an incredible actor.

Somebody said back in the office in the studio, who was that? Oh, me. You didn't see him in Ted 2? He was probably one of the best actors in that entire movie franchise series. Yeah, and I think that... probably one of the best actors in that entire movie franchise series. Yeah, and I think that... When they're trying to steal his jizz? Yes, when they're trying to steal his jizz, he threw the football at him, or Ted, at Mark Wahlberg.

It was hysterical. What? You don't remember that, AJ? What the fuck just happened? I don't know. what's happening right now i got a couple text messages here i think so i got this new laptop because my phone is where i'm facetiming on so i got this new laptop that has capability it's obviously one that steve jobs thought of or whatever you know so my phone's connected i get text messages on here but it's

just phone numbers i don't have all the names for some reason. Whatever it is. So I think Ian just said, we'll come back as soon as I can. Apologies. Fake news. Good guy. Has he posted anything yet? No, he has not.

Yeah, so what's happening? Wale's people just called. Huh. Wale's on the show? Posted me at 135, I i guess i don't know i just got a call from like his manager so that was you sending that text yeah the dirty 630 630 number yeah dirty 630 what's the uh what's your voting is wallay on do you want him on or no? Sure. I did not know Wale was going to be on.

Me neither. That was a left jab out of nowhere. Fucking Wale, dude. Do you know who Wale is, AJ? I'll make the call. Yeah, of course. Should be sweet, man. I wonder if he has a Mike Tyson grill or something.

I mean, George Foreman. No, he's got some new music coming out, AJ. I mean, no, he's already got music out actually. And it's a banger. The one song I forget what it's called.

Southern something. It's very good. Uh, he's in the DC area. Let's assume he's a football team fan and he's a big wrestling fan. Summer slams around the corner. I don't know what we're going to talk to him about, but I'm pumped about it.

Yeah, I am too. I hope we start having different musicians coming on here that are promoting new albums and stuff. That'd be sweet, I think. It would be sweet. It would 100% be sweet. I think you're kind of throwing a little shade on Wall-A potentially coming on right now. You definitely are. Absolutely not.

No, yeah, you are. I promise you I'm not. You are. Button it up, dude. One time. Button it up. Ty, did you tighten up, dude are. Yeah, you are. I'm not. You are. Button it up, dude. One time. Button it up. Ty, you tighten up, dude. Ty, did you know Wale was fucking coming on the show? I did not.

I saw it was in there, but I do recall it was never confirmed nor denied, so I don't know what the hell's going on right now. The time is also definitely 2.30. Okay, so Wale coming on i'm sorry about that connor he's got a new song called don sass featuring yellow beezy and maxo cream dude yeah when maxo cream gets on the track everybody knows like that's a dream like crack you know what i mean i mean maxoream really goes ham on the beat. We'll talk to Wale here in a few minutes, AJ Hawk. I know you're excited.

Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers' press conference with Bob Domofsky as well. I don't think we've gotten your take on that. Bob Domofsky asking that question was beautiful, good comedy. And then Aaron saying, Bob, Jesus, is just great. You think this is how it's going to be all year? You think people are going to potentially... I'm getting a call now from Rap Report on my phone. All right.

He did tweet. Will somebody call him back then? Why is he FaceTiming me? Calling him right now. When you call Rap, what is happening? I mean, I'm just sitting here solo. I have no clue what's happening. So Rappaport's just FaceTiming.

We'll wait for him. Let's FaceTime him back. Wale's manager just called Zito in the middle of the show to get on. We'll have him on in about 10, 15 minutes or so. Rappaport, welcome back. What happened? What did we miss yeah so apologies for that guys uh so carl lawson who's one of the jets big free agent signings and one

of the best players on the field for them all camp is going to have an mri on his achilles in a matter of minutes this is according to me and my colleague Mike Garofalo. He was carted off. There has been no firm diagnosis. Obviously, you know if they are MRIing the Achilles, it is not good. He heard a pop, according to Garofalo, also not good. We'll get you more as we know it, but this is, I think, for the Jets, an area they addressed in free agency with a player they love and then to have him go down with a potentially serious injury, not, not very good,

not very good. That's Ian Rappaport reporting, senior NFL insider at NFL.com and NFL Network. Your tweet read as such, Jets pass rusher Carl Lawson, one of the Bay having an MRI on the Achilles for him and if it's torn, Lawson will be out for the season. This isn't, normally the Achilles isn't like, hey, we'll give an MRI

so we can figure out what's potentially happened. I don't think there is a lot going on in the Achilles for you to have to go in and figure out what happened. If he heard a pop, absolutely devastating. Not only for the Jets, but also to Carl Lawson. T's and P's as that thing heals up. Let's go. We were talking as you got interrupted and left on some NFL news there,

not just Carl Lawson, but what else is popping off around the NFL that we need to keep an eye on? Obviously, the Jamal Adams deal got done. What's the next kind of domino to fall in place in your eyes, you think, of these stories that have been lingering here for the last couple weeks, Ian? Yeah, I mean, to me, you know, Deshaun Watson is still out there. And, you know, Rusty Hardin was in the news yesterday giving a press conference explaining why people are getting calls from the FBI, how Watson is not under investigation by the FBI, but instead they're looking at apparently an extortion case involving one of his accusers, this according to the lawyer, sort of contradicting what Busby had said

the other day. You know, the Deshaun Watson situation you'd think would hopefully be settled before the season in some form or fashion. I know there are teams that would still want to trade for him. It seems the Texans are at least listening. You know, if he hasn't been practicing today, he was on a separate field with a trainer doing lunges. I mean, it's all very strange, but at some point they're going to cut down to the 53-man roster. And like, what are they going to do with their starting quarterback who's now their fourth string quarterback you know so i imagine something will happen around or before cut down day i just

i don't know for sure what it is but again i do know teams are interested in trading for him what about the nfl don't they aren't they going i assume they're investigating have you heard anything like what kind of timeline would they have even if he clears clears it up, say, the start of the season, would Goodell come down with something before? I don't know. How long does that take? If he is suspended, it's possible it would end up being the season. But the legal stuff

always takes so much longer than you think, right? Because the NFL, for instance, hasn't talked to Deshaun yet. They will, but they haven't yet. So usually he's last. So when he talks to them, that will probably be the last domino there. I just – there's a legal situation, there's a civil situation,

then there's a league situation. Not everyone is talking to everyone, but these things take time. So, like, there is actually a possibility this will be unsettled this entire season. I would also say that, you know, the fact that the NFL has not put him on the commissioner's exempt list makes me think that they are not going to. So whatever is going to happen to Deshaun Watson is probably going to be on the football field before we get to all the other stuff. to deshaun watson is probably going to be on the football field before we get to all the other stuff yeah i don't know how that gets settled before anything could happen in the next 21 days

before the season starts i mean that is great there's a lot we've been saying that since the beginning but the fact people are still interested is absolutely insane to me let's go up to buffalo you know the home of buffalo wings oh they're delicious the The Anchor Bar, Bill's Mafia. Oh, my God. One of the most passionate fan bases in any sport, let alone just the NFL. They will brave winter and do insane things to support their team. They'll throw dildos on the field to let everybody know that they're potentially getting fornicated over by the refs. I mean, they are a city and a team that seem to be on the same page more than anywhere else. Josh Allen,

the person... Wait, I'm sorry. Was that why they threw the adult play toy or whatever? Yeah, it was an armadillo, okay? Three-footer, double-sided. The reason why I was throwing it, I think, because they were getting screwed on both X. I'm not 100% sure. The drunk that threw it from Bills Mafia probably has a much

better reason. That's what I thought it was. But nonetheless, the Bill's Mafia and the Bill's TV are on the same page, more so than everywhere else. Josh Allen is the perfect representation of Buffalo, it feels like. Hard-working guy from a small town. They're leaving Buffalo. Everybody's saying they're going to Austin. Brandon Bean was on the show last week, General Mandreason.

We love Buffalo. We can't wait for the future in Buffalo. Is this all leverage right here? They're saying they want a billion dollars from Buffalo, New York, or they're out of there. How's this going to pan out? Yeah, I mean, it feels to me – let me say this. If it is leverage, it would be like most of these stadium situations.

Like in very few instances does, hey, let's maybe move to Austin, get floated, and then it actually happens. Now, we did have a couple of teams move to L.A. I would say that would be, you know, a little bit different. But it feels to me like just a way to tell Buffalo, hey, if you don't want us, we got some other places. Now, would Jerry Jones allow another team in Texas? I am not so sure about that. Because remember, there was talk at some point about San Antonio. And I don't know that Jerry Jones would really want another team in Texas.

I think Texas is the Cowboys, and he would probably make sure of that. And he's got enough power to step in and say, yeah, I think Texas is the Cowboys and he would probably make sure that he's got enough power to step in and say, yeah, I think I'm going to have my say here. So we could talk about Austin, which I do love. Austin's a great place. I just, I don't know that it's, I don't know how real it is right now. I also know that like a lot of owners, they're trying to get the city to foot some of the bill.

And the best way to do that is to make sure that the city you know make sure the city thinks you might be able to leave yeah you got to hold them hostage you know hold their happiness hostage you know that's what you got to do it was alleged that ursae would get a helicopter and fly over la whenever he was trying to get a new stadium in indianapolis and then all of a sudden boom lucas oil stadium got put up like the next week. And I think there's only like a year-to-year rental fee that Jim has to pay. The team brings so much to the city.

The teams know that, you know. I just don't know how I feel whenever you ask for public money, and it's a private business, and there's billions. That thing can get ugly. I hope Buffalo remains the home of the Bills because it's a beautiful thing. Last question before we let you go break some more news, Ian. I think it comes from Connor about tonight's big-time preseason game, Patriots-Eagles. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, massive game tonight, Rap Sheet.

Can we expect Mac Jones to start tonight, or are we going to have the same song and dance with Cam Newton doing two series and everyone just waiting for Mac and then everyone cheering way harder when he comes in? I liked all the reports this week I think it was my friend Tom Curran who said it's not actually Mac versus Cam it's Mac versus Mac uh so he's competing against himself for the starting quarterback job um I think it's probably going to be Cam no it's the Patriots so who knows but I think it's probably going to be Cam starts plays a little bit and then Mac Jones I will say this as good as he looked last I know it's the preseason. I know.

Every time I talk about the preseason, I have to say it's the preseason. But he looked together. The Patriots look like they got someone who's pretty. Now, I've been fooled before. Garofalo and Palacero last week when, what was it? Oh, it was when Trey Lance was throwing bombs in the preseason were just sending me all my old tweets about great preseason performances. There's a couple of great Ryan Mallett tweets in there.

There's a couple of Gabbert tweets, I believe, as well. So I'm always a little cautious. Super Bowl champion. Yeah, that's right. Super Bowl champion, Mike Gabbert. You were right with what you said. If you said he was great, that guy's an absolute killer on the field. Yeah, some team, sure.

But on Jacksonville, Jacksonville sucked the life out of the guy. What the fuck was he supposed to do for the Jaguars? He went to the title game with Jacksonville. I was a fan. Then they gave him that little extension. I thought that was a nice deal. Anyway. Yeah, but Blaine Gabbert, I got a chance to beat him.

He's a guy, by the way, you would want to hang out with. I've seen him, you know, at his best and at his most loose, which I think the whole world has. I love Blaine Gabbert. I think different situation, a lot better. He's a Super Bowl champion. I didn't know it was your Ryan Mallett tweets that had the Internet attack me when I said Mac Jones doesn't appear that he's going to stink.

They're like, oh, it's the same thing we said about Ryan Mallett, blah, blah, blah. It's Patriots hate syndrome. They got to do what they got to do. Can't wait to watch that. Thank you so much. It's tough to hate Mac Jones. I will say that. He is a good dude.

And you would like to have a beer or two with that guy. Hell yeah. Hey, I've seen him after a couple beers. His photos aren't great. But I do know, like, mine neither. You know what I mean? Mine neither. Ladies what i mean mine neither ladies and gentlemen yeah insider for the nfl we unwrap the board

and joining us quite a surprise i am very excited about this. Ladies and gentlemen, recording artist Stud. Lyrical genius, lyricist, big-ass brain. New song, Down South and Angles are out now. Ladies and gentlemen, Wale. Yeah! Hey, Down South slangin', hangin' with these hustlers. Absolute banger, man. I love whenever you go and put in work and release new music. I hope you continue to do this forever.

How does it feel to get in there with Angles and Down South? And how's the ride at this stage of your career? It's so good, man. You know, it's so good to be outside, literally. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm just getting back in the mix. You know, I'm just getting back in the mix This weekend obviously SummerSlam had a chance to see you at Rolling Loud You came out with the Street Profits. You actually do Biggie's intro song though, which is a banger

I think that was a miss on our part there How did your relationship with the WWE come to be and will you be at SummerSlam this weekend? with the WWE come to be and will you be at SummerSlam this weekend started off with my dad Neil Lowy who does the music over there you know he always looks out for me but um I'm headed to Vegas today actually me too man what do you got any performances out there I'm having a party but the check ain't clear yet, so I don't know what to do. I'll post it this afternoon for sure. That's amazing. We know you're from the D.C. area, right?

Are you a Washington fan, and what do you think about this? Of course. What do you think about the names, man? Do you have an idea what you want? Man, I saw what they said is like the, the last like two or three, uh, options. I don't know. I'm not crazy about it,

but it's going to take some getting used to regardless. You know what I mean? Did you like the Washington football team? It kind of, it kind of became catchy last season. Would you, it really did. Like it's like,

I like football club. I like football team. It's like sophisticated. You know what I mean? But, you know, they're going to let these jokes fly. I'm sure the Dolphins sounded crazy at first. Well, the Pelicans are still a team name, you know. You said what?

The Pelicans are still a team name. That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, everything ain't got to be, you know. We're sophisticated. We're the Washington football team. We're the football team. Y'all are not bears for real. Are you a cult?

No, you're a part of the football team. That's what we are. We're talking to Wale. Just found out, big Washington football team fan. We should have known that, obviously, from the D.C. area. Hey, almost got a playoff win over Tom Brady in the Tampa i mean he made something special happen that we gave tom his hardest the hardest uh challenge in the playoffs you know that was a crazy that was a that would have been a really really big upset because we went like 79 last year they had no tape behind you though they

had no tape behind you so he was giving them problems. Well, I'll tell you what. Everybody in the NFC East stunk last year. You guys stunk the least. There's a chance that the Washington football team goes on a run, Wale. They need a banger, though. Can we not get a Washington football team

just theme song, maybe, from Wale? They don't have enough money. It might be in the tuck. It might be in the tuck already You're a lyricist big-ass brain, you know ambition is a motivating song Yeah, every time you kind of get in there and write good things happen When did you know this was gonna be your your future? Have you been doing this your whole life? man, um When did you know this was going to be your future? Have you been doing this your whole life? Man, you know, I played football in college. Robin Morris up in Western Pennsylvania.

Like, you know, and I was always, like, even in high school, I was always rapping with different bands and doing my thing. And then when I transferred to Virginia State, you know, I got into a situation with the coach, and then I just was like, you know what, let me just go to my local college and just see what i can do with the music stuff in it and it popped off you know i remember uh uh i skipped my finals to go meet jay-z when he was at death jam and that's when i was like you know what i'm done with the school hey nice were you meeting jay-Z? Was that what you expected?

Also, how did you find a way to separate yourself? I think we all know a lot of people that write lyrics, and they say they're writing songs and everything, or even like screenwriters, and they can't break through. How did you break through? I mean, I just kind of stuck to myself. It was like, it was heavy on the gangster rap, like when I was trying to break through,

and I just stuck to myself. And I had a fan base just off like sneaker the sneaker culture and stuff like that and um you know i just have my own ways and i think that i think jay and mark ronson and then they took a liking to that and then i really had i had like the biggest record on the radio back home and this was like i don't know know, 2004 or something like that. What was the song? It was a Go-Go record. It was called Dig Dug. And it was just tearing up the clubs. And then I did my rap stuff on the side,

like the hardcore, you know, lyrical stuff too. So, you know, I just stuck to my gun. It's worked out. I appreciate what your brain has brought into my life throughout different periods. Whenever you decide I'm going to be a rapper full-time and I'm gonna kind of commit to this That's a massive decision. Was there any time where you thought you made the wrong move? Have you gotten sick of any business at all? Have you felt have you hated?

Every day the business at times? Every day. You know, fame is not fame is not for the weak. You know what I'm saying? Like, gotta have thick skin. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, every time

I be like, man, you know, is this could I have been Elon Musk? You know what I'm saying? Could I have done something like, you know, invented something or, you know, got in the film earlier

or whatever, you know? I question it, you know, got in the film earlier or whatever. You know, I question it from time to time. You smoke massive amounts of marijuana? Yes, it's legal. I'm in a state where it's legal as well. I don't, not all of them are though. Is that a part of your writing process? What do you do when you go into the studio?

Are you all just high as hell? I enjoy an adult beverage, maybe. Maybe some plant. And you know, I just let the beat talk to me, I guess. I know that sounds like really artisty. That's really what I do. Go ahead, Diggs. Well, I was just going to ask you, because I went to Duquesne. You just said you went to Bobby Moe, which is right down the went to duquesne you just said you went to bobby moe which is right down the street yes i play with a lot of dudes who were from pg county too like why is it that that was like the hotbed recruiting for western pa was pg county yeah it was a lot of guys that duquesne and pit pit duquesne and robin moore's that was from around the way i don't know that's a good question because the recruiting is more spread out now.

And, like, I just remember back then, like, there was not that many, like, guys going to Clemson and Nick Saban going to, like, a regular Montgomery County school to go find somebody. Like, you have five-star guys coming out of PG and Montgomery now. So, I don't know. It's a little different. Did you ever go out in the south side of Pittsburgh? Nah.

There was a club called Lager, though, that we used to go to. I don't know what part of Pittsburgh that was, but it felt like Delhi. Yeah, well, south side of Pittsburgh wanted that feeling as well. I mean, that is kind of what Pittsburgh is at this point. Go ahead, Ty. Wally, at the start of COVID, I feel like these versus battles really started to take off. Have you been approached by them at all,

or is there anyone you'd like to get in there and cut it up with? Nah. But shout out to Swiss and them, man, in St. Belen. They legends. But I don't think that's my thing Hey, how's it work with like features you do you have to do songs with people you like? Does your label make you do stuff? You just reach out to people in the DMS or are you kind of away? strictly business, which I was a strictly business, you know right now like I'm kind of like Sometimes it's strictly business. You know right now like I'm kind of like

embarrassed because it's like I have like 15 features that I have to do like for friends and it's like Man, I ain't been I just you know what I got sick I got the Kovach and I had pneumonia and I haven't been like really writing music since then, you know But that's teacher list is long. So, you know, I'll be feeling bad when I can't do stuff for my friends Well, I'm sure they'll understand you almost fucking died twice the crazy thing is some don't they be like yeah man your lungs all right okay cool uh come in the studio does the uh creativity come in waves does it hit you at certain times like will you be able to write an entire song or album in a couple hours and then some days you can't write shit yeah exactly and I just mean to be honest it been like a month

since I wrote anything that I like like was like yeah so like when I watched eight-mile Eminem said crimp all it out not good enough do you guys do that happens on a regular basis? Yeah, especially when I when you overthink like I do oh So you think it's fire get high get sober get high reread it this stinks back and forth. Yeah Don't beat yourself up wall a let him live I'm gonna let him fly soon Don't beat yourself up, Wale. Let him live. We need to hear it. I'm going to let him fly soon.

All right. That's awesome. Good luck with all of that. Congrats on surviving pneumonia, COVID, potential writer's block. It's great to have you back down south on all the platforms. It's unbelievable. Keep creating. And very thankful for everything you've done, Wale. When you get back in the ring.

Okay. So that's the thing. You're saying I look like I'm in shape, huh? Is that what you're saying? No, I mean, you know, you put a five-star classic on with Adam Cole. Yeah. You know? Hey, pretty good, huh, Wale?

I mean, I lost, obviously made an amateur rookie mistake by kicking the stairs. Shouldn't have done that. But I should have got a win there. I know. And we're trying to see you in the Royal Rumble this year. The streets need it. I would

do the manager thing for you, but you're probably one of the best talkers in the business, so you're good. Listen, if I can have Wale near me at any time, I'm fucking with you. I want to let you know that. Ladies and gentlemen. I'm trying to heal it up, man.

What's up? I'm trying to heal it up. Yeah, let's do it. Go listen to Down South and Angles with Wale. We can't thank you enough for joining us. This has been a pleasant surprise. Anytime you want to come back on to promote anything, you let us know. Thank you, my brother.

I appreciate it. See you in Vegas, ladies and gentlemen. Wale. Hey. Awesome. thank you my brother I appreciate it see you in Vegas ladies and gentlemen Wale hey that was sweet I feel like we did okay there right fuck I didn't ask you about 90210 call him back

call him back I don't know if you like that with him I don't know if you like that you did see the match, though. AJ, you saw it. He complimented me. That was good news. You could have came in there and saved me a couple times.

Yeah, what did he say? He put on a five-star match. Is that what he said? Damn right. Yeah, so that's a big deal in the wrestling community, which Wale is a part of the wrestling community. They give out grades on matches and everything like that. I mean, Rookie of the Year or whatever.

No big deal. The issue is it was with a scumbag. You know, so like you heard him. He had to say the scumbag's name there. Oh, Adam Cole. Like, you know, like once again, a little scumbag gets a little rub from the guy here. Well, that's how it goes. Is Adam Cole still around for you to even wrestle if you want to

well the internet has been alive with that i don't think anybody really knows but i do know ty nick connor and adam cole had a little bit of a scrum on the internet the other night and i want to let you know i appreciate you ty hashtag thank you ty hey no problem i mean the guy's walking around with his chest puffed out it's like listen pal you don't have to be a sack of shit all the time we know you are when you're on TV, but, you know, on your personal time on Twitter, you don't have to be doing this kind of stuff. Just a liar, sack of shit, bad guy. And somehow, even after he attacked Connor and he attacked Nick,

AJ's like, oh, this is a good guy. He's not. He's not, AJ. Hey, every interaction I've had was very positive with Adam Cole. It's because you're a scumbag too. Every time I had an interaction with him. I think Ty, though, if you're going to go at him on Twitter, you better just go jump all in, man.

Get personal. Make it real. You're talking about it. He did. He did make it real. I kicked the guy's soul out of his body. Okay. All right.

Well, I think Ty knows. Did you read the goddamn thing? This guy can't read. With Ty's big brain, he could really come up with some great insults. I think Ty is smart enough to really get into it. Yeah. Oh, AJ, enough with playing both sides of the fence. Yeah.

All right. You're either on Team Moss or Team Adam Cole, AJ. Choose now. I do not have to choose. That's not how it works. Choose. Choose. Choose.

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Adults date better. Back to the show. Tom Brady said, and this is why Tom Brady is Tom Brady and why the greats are great. I know Adam Vinatieri had very similar mindset on things. And anybody that is successful at anything has this mindset. Hey, what I've done last year and the years past mean absolutely nothing to what's going to happen in this next season. What I did yesterday means nothing today. You have to show up every single day and earn it.

Every single time we get a chance to kind of listen to tom kind of explain why tom brady's tom brady i think we should take it in i like that he's here seven super bowls into this thing greatest of all time gonna be a hall of famer and he's like hey nothing i've done matters at all tomorrow that's a mindset you have to have because nothing's given to you aj well that's the mindset that all these coaches from a young age until their nfl guys will preach all the time like oh it doesn't matter what you did and coaches always get the more you win the more nervous coaches are because they don't want to let this thing slip they don't want to go back and and go back to what it was before this and they're yeah they get puckered up man and it's it's tough you can always see it the weeks of

like leading up to big games especially it happens if you've gone on a run, you've won four or five games in a row, they're going to sit there and hold on so tight, and you're going to be battling in practice a little bit. But I think when you hear Tom say it, and you're like, oh, well, this guy, yeah, of course he says it, but we get to watch him live it in front of us and watch him win all these Super Bowls, and he's saying all the right things, but a lot of people say the right things, and they take breaks and don't really follow through or execute everything they say. It feels like Tom probably is doing more than he's saying even, usually. So that was like the Edrin James Hall of Fame speech was awesome for a lot of reasons.

But the one I enjoyed was like he was talking about his secret weapon is he would drink cranberry juice at the club. He'd drive everybody home and then at 3am, 4am, he would legitimately go to the gym. And Jim Irsay actually said like, this guy working at all hours of the night.

And Jim almost said like, no bullshit. Like, this is not like a, Hey, this is what's happened. His secret weapon was he was working. And I think that fear that you're gonna lose it or hey nothing that i've done before matters right now that fear can really drive you i feel like i'm one of the most positive people of

all time when i would jog on the field to do my job i was thinking like hey it's gonna be the biggest ball ever like this is gonna be the greatest punt ever happened. Like that was actual thoughts I'm telling myself. But sometimes it was hard not to be like fourth quarter. I've had like four or five great punts. All one inside the 20. It's like, hey, I'm putting together maybe the greatest game I've ever had. Like could ruin it all right here. Like, you know, it could ruin it all right here if you do that.

That type of thing about nothing you've done before means anything in the current moment is so real. And I don't think enough people really realize it. You know, I don't think enough people truly like, hey, you have to perform every single day. When you're at the top, you have to be able to perform every single day at a high level. And everybody just expects it because the way video games are,

it's nice hearing Tom Brady just be like, nah, like I could stink tomorrow forever. I got to remember that. Aaron's press conferences are awesome. Tom's press conferences are awesome. We're in a new era. People seem to be talking a lot more, a lot more relatable. I fucking love it.

I think it's awesome. But also if you're, say you're a Tom Brady or you're Aaron or these studs that everybody knows, everybody you're playing against is looking forward to playing against you. Hey, guess what? Like they're not going to sit there and just be in awe and be intimidated and give you a pass. They're probably going harder because they know, hey, if I can pick off Tom Brady, this is a big deal.

I'm getting that ball. I'm going to try to get him to sign it. They're all doing that, so they know as well. Everybody, although they have the ultimate amount of respect for you, they also need to up their game. They're not going to just let you walk all over them. Hey, by the way, there was a pick in one-on-ones at the Titans-Buccaneers practice. A DB jumped a route that Tom threw.

It was like a drag route across in one-on-ones, by the way, which is fascinating wide receiver and corner. Threw a pick. As soon as that ball got intercepted, that thing was tweeted out. This guy just picked off Tom Brady. That guy's keeping that practice ball. He's probably asking for that thing to get signed. I mean, that is what you have to do.

I think Pat Anger, he either got an interception from Peyton or Tom or maybe both, I forget. But as soon as he caught it, literally as he's jogging his size, I'm fucking, this ball's going in the office. It's fucking Peyton Manning or whatever. This is a big deal. That's a real, everybody's trying to get you. Everybody's trying to get you whenever you're at that top there connor you're somebody who has to understand this because you've been at the top for so long sure what are your thoughts now you're

learning more about tom brady as a buccaneer than you ever did whenever he was at the patriot well i mean i think and i have learned a lot too from reading the book the dynasty that came out last year and i think it was kind of like an an Aaron Rodgers situation almost where you have this idea before, and then once they come out and speak on it, it's like, oh, okay, I can sort of understand that. Like, I hated Tom Brady for a long time after he left New England. And then when you kind of just dig deep. He just left.

Oh, yeah. Well, it felt like a decade, Pat. I mean, it might as well be 10 NFL seasons when you go 7-9 when you used to go into 12-4 every year. But, I mean, you just kind of understand, like, yeah, Brady probably should have had much more say than he did. And you just kind of almost have to not honor it, but respect the fact that he is the greatest.

That's why when the Buccaneers, you know, won the Super Bowl, and some may say Tampa Conner was, you know, birth. I liked seeing it because of the fact that it's like, hey, it's a guy you've rooted for your entire life, and now he still has success after. Clearly the greatest of all time. But going back to what Brady actually said with the, you know, there's no aspect of what I've done last year that means anything.

That's like when Rob Ninkovich talked about Bill Belichick and the contract negotiations. Like, hey, you might have had 10 sacks last year, but, you know, what have you done for me lately? What are you going to be next year? And I think that kind of factors into why those two got along together for so long because of the fact that they had the same mindset that, like, hey, we could have won the Super Bowl last year, but if we don't win it this year, then who gives a shit? So Tom echoing basically Bill's sentiments or Bill echoing Tom's sentiments, whatever the case, those coaches' cliches, man, you don't realize, I think, until you leave football, you'll come to a situation and it's like, all right, what was a bullshit cliche that i probably made fun of chuck for saying and it's like be where your feet be where your feet are it's like okay i'll be like

you know you kind of those that coach talk like bill saying nothing you've done before means anything today i'm not paying you for what you've done by the way i'm paying you for what we think you're gonna do all those cliches that you hear from these coaches i mean you start echoing them yourself almost in your day-to-day. It's just kind of part of being in the football world, I think. Don't you think, I don't know if you had this, like in college we would joke around and sarcastically say a lot of the coaches' sayings. Like a lot of the assistants always had their own little sayings,

and we would use them on each other, our teammates, and it was always funny and you'd say it as a joke, and then eventually it just became serious. And it's just, okay, yeah, this is what we say now. And we're not sarcastically using it anymore. Yeah, it is. It's mocked, and cliches are mocked by the media too. You know, like, oh, here comes another cliche machine or whatever.

It's like, well, cliches are a cliche for a reason because they're normally pretty true. And although coaches seem to fall back on them on a regular basis i think they do it because it's like a tried and tested way of saying something that they were trying to get across i i just i literally think of the cliches that coaches have yelled at me in so many different situations now throughout but it's almost become like my way of thinking you know it's like that's it's crazy like fucking crazy the pointing fingers one that uh rich rod said to you i mean that one's gold i feel like that's one even though it's a cliche that i'd never heard until you said it it's like oh yeah i'm gonna use that going forward no matter what hey listen all right well that was chuck that wasn't rich rod deep southern no, I'm saying my accent. Every time you point a finger, there's

three fingers pointing back at you fucking asshole. I'm like, yeah, I guess you're... Okay, so I gotta do that. I fucking love it. It's funny, though. Does Rich Rod know he's funny?

Does he know that he's funny, Pat? Rich Rod? Yeah. At? Does he know that he's funny, Pat? Rich Rod? Yeah. At this point, he has to. I don't think he knew at the time. I wonder if I helped him realize that the shit he does and the way he acts is terrible. I wonder if I helped him realize that because there's a guy so competitive,

so, so, so competitive, and he's like, if you're not going to be at my level of competition and how much, if you don't want to win as bad as I do, get your fucking ass off of my fucking field. You know, it's like crazy. I would assume he coaches assistants hard too he coach his assistants hard too he seems like one of those guys so my friend one of my friends i won't say his name you know because he told me the story and i don't want anybody to get angry about it but one of my friends

who was a teammate and roommate of mine in college had red hair he uh so he he just kind of dialed it in there pretty tightly he wanted to be an assistant coach at arizona whenever he went out there because he loved his uh defensive coordinator who's coaching out there he blew out both of his shores he's a really good middle linebacker big six three six four could move very athletic was academic all-american genius i think he has like four degrees from a farm hard-working guy. He could handle just about any drug too, which made me like him a lot. You know, he was, he was fucking awesome guy, like incredible guy thought he would have been great in the NFL gets injured. And, uh, you know,

so he goes down the coaching thing, goes in and coach and he's coaching now at rich rods, you know, leadership. He's now under Coach Rod's, you know, umbrella. And we all told him, like, that's a wild move. You're going in there on a day-to-day or whatever. I guess a situation occurred where on the sideline, Reid was either calling in signals or something for the linebackers, and he was standing on the thick paint, you know, on the sideline. And Rich was pacing back and forth, I guess, you know.

And I guess one of his rules is you can't be in front of of like you know like hey you better be behind so i guess there was a scene and this was not told to me by reed it was told to me by another coach but i had to ask reed about it was reed by the way so he's standing there giving signals and i guess people could see that reed saw coach rod okay so he's he knew coach rod was potentially pacing his way rich rod knew that he saw him as well so it was rich was coming down seeing i think if reed would back up or whatever as you know so that rich rod could do whatever and reed i guess did not back down re or whatever as, you know, so that Rich Rod could do whatever. And Reed, I guess, did not back down. Reed stood his ground, you know,

and there was a little bit of a stare-off, I guess, that happened on the sideline. And then he kind of walked away. And I guess everybody thought there was potentially going to be a full-blown fistfight between Reed and Rich Rod on the sideline. But I guess Rich actually respected it, allegedly. Rich respected it. But I don't know exactly what it's like to be his coach, but I assume there is a lot of accountability.

There's a lot of, you know, hey, you better be here 20, 25 minutes before this fucking meeting is supposed to start, or I will run your ass all out of this town. Yeah, he is. He plays no fucking games, that guy. He might have changed. I don't know. But what a wild time to be alive.

Hey, Pat. Yeah, buddy. You guys were talking about earlier with fights between the bucks and the titans well uh practice has just been called between the rams and the raiders because too many fights today okay so the rams and raiders decide it's time to bail from their joint practice here on this beautiful th Fascinating thing to me is the Rams complimented the Raiders. They said, hey, this ain't like the 2019 Raiders team that we practiced with. This team looks like they're a little bit more bought in.

They believe they're confident. Then somebody else said they've taken on the characteristics of their coach, John Gruden. So although we from the outside looking in at the Raiders organization have a lot of questions, especially with the amount of people that are quitting and getting cut and then the turnover. And what is John like? What is he not like? They got 10 years to get this right.

He's Derek Carr, the guy. I mean, there's a lot of questions looking in. The Rams say from being within the building with them and these joint practices in practice, they look like a completely different team than they did. And it's in a good way. But that does not mean we can just fucking fight every other goddamn time. Enough with the fight. We'll practice alone, is what they said over there, A.J. Hawk. Well, don't you think that Raiders, like John Gruden and Raiders fans, should feel pretty good about the Rams complimenting them and saying,

hey, they're kind of taking on the persona of their head coach, John Gruden. I mean, Gruden, I'm sure, is absolutely juiced to hear this. He has Hunter Renfro talking to the media, declaring how good he is and going against Jalen and everything. Hunter Renfro, I've never heard the guy speak. He's a great player, though. Is he going to start talking now? I love it. Okay, I don't know if John Gruden sent Hunter Renfro out there

to talk shit on Jalen. And I don't know, by the way, if Hunter Renfro was talking shit on Jalen, but this is something that – and I'm happy you brought that up. He was complimenting Jalen. He was complimenting, hey, if I can beat him, I can beat anybody. Like, Jalen's the best. He's that good. So this is what I think happened, okay?

So at practice, believe it or not, guys on the field, they don't have their phones. You know what I mean? So, like, guys that are actually at practice in a training camp, they have no idea what's potentially going viral at any given moment by any fan in the stand that would potentially film something record something any media member for instance i'm assuming hunter renfro had no idea that he was viral for beating jaylen ramsey in a rep i he probably got went into that press conference and maybe the PR person told him like, hey, you're currently going viral for

beating Jalen Ramsey and a rep or whatever. But in my eyes, he went in there and somebody goes, hey, the whole internet's real excited about you beating Jalen, blah, blah, blah. So I think maybe he was even taken back. It was like, yeah, maybe he beat me too. He said it was like one of those

entire things. And then jalen saw the internet overreacting to a training camp rep and practice getting beat y'all funny he said basically get the hell out of here this is the y'all enjoy y'all day though okay because i know who i am even the haters i still hope you enjoy your day and go make some money i can't believe that y'all in quotes believe half the bs that people say for clicks y'all gotta in quotes, believe half the BS that people say for clicks. Y'all got to know at this point and do better than that, LOL. It's all love. I ain't going to pop my shit, but I just know I'm really the chosen one out here. Thank you, God.

Because he loses in a rep in practice, the internet goes viral for it, and now Hunter's got to answer questions, Jalen's speaking up for himself, but that's what happens when you're the guy, and that's what happens when people are interested in your life. When you're the guy, and also, it also is just another example of how popular nfl football is like i don't know if we have raj to thank or whatever but we're sitting there

and a guy in practice wins a one-on-one rep but who knows what the rep even looks like what it was like who knows what jaylen's working on and he goes on and feels like he has to respond to one rep that happened in training camp 20 some days before the season starts well and by the way that one rep might have been what 70 plays ago in practice they probably had 10 different situations since then they're like oh when hunter renfro beat you and he's like hunter renfro when the hell did that happen because it's like that richard sherman thing at the Niners. We talk about this. What was it? Marquise? Goodwin? Yeah. I think it was Marquise Goodwin.

Blew by him at the 49ers training camp or whatever. And this was after Richard Sherman negotiated his own deal. And Sherman, by the way, we're all pulling for you to get through your battles that you're in right now. The NFL is a much better place whenever you're healthy and feeling good. We're all pulling for you. But he was like, maybe working on something. You know, maybe I'm trying to get better. Jalen might have tried something different with his leverage. Like, whatever the case in practice.

It's called practice. How many times do I tell you this? It's called practice. You're going to work on things that are not going to work. That's how you know if they work or not. So people forget that sometimes. We're not here working on what hopefully I can take to the game and throwing away what might not.

Isn't it the amount of confidence you have to have, though, to work on something? And that's the only time to do it is at practice, especially a joint practice. Hey, let me see if my bullshit I've been thinking about and working on will work against somebody that hasn't seen it yet or whatever. And then all of a sudden you lose the rep and the entire internet

is like, this guy stinks! Run him out of town! It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a different era now that every single rep can be seen by literally every human on earth that has internet. So it's a shame the Amish can't see all these things but

nowadays you can get got at any given time at boston connor living underneath the rim you say you can get got every once in a while oh yeah what are your thoughts on tonight's patriots eagles game jalen hurts playing matt jones playing are you betting on this alongside the hammer down boys what's your mindset going into tonight i'm definitely betting on it and naturally i'm betting on the patriots but really the biggest thing especially when rap she came on here and had to leave you can't have any injuries like my especially after last week when matthew judon almost got his leg taken off of his body it's just like hey go out there you know try and make some plays maybe work on some stuff like you guys were just talking about in practice but don't be throwing your body around to the point where you're gonna miss the first six seven eight weeks of the season let's stay up let's be healthy and let's watch mac jones

throw 85 yard touchdowns the entire game excited to see mac jones potentially take the next step i enjoyed his poise his confidence excited to seeited to see what Cam Newton does as well. Because remember, he is still the starter, even though he told Tommy Curran that everybody knows the deal there. Tone Diggs, COVID cowboy at Bubba Gumpino. The Hammer Down Boys, they go live 15 minutes after this show ends every single day at youtube.com forward slash hammer. Done!

Diggs, Gumpy, what's the play tonight on this preseason game? Do you guys know anything? Are we making any safe bets? The under is always in play, huh? Yeah, morally obligated to take the under after it going 14-2 last weekend. Total being 38. I am a little worried. The Eagles were one of the only two games to go over last weekend.

And against the Steelers, they let Dewey Haskins go 16 of 22, Mason go 8 of 9, and the Dobbs go 5 of 6. So I'm a little worried about the Eagles' defense. So I might sprinkle potential minus one Patriots as well. But I was worried because I was listening to a press conference. I think it was a press conference, and Sirianni guaranteed that he would win his next football game. So I am slightly concerned about that.

He actually did that? It might have been in here. Might have been time. Could have been deep fake. I'm not sure, but that's the only worry there. At Papa Gumby, no. Gumby, the hottest gambler on earth. Are you betting on this preseason game,

or are you just sticking with baseball because that's where the hot stick's been? No, I'm going to take the Patriots money line. I feel like Mac Jones is going to play a lot again tonight. I don't know what's going on with the Eagles. They say Jalen Hurts is looking good, but besides that, I just see the Patriots winning this one. Hell yeah. Hammered down, boys.

No stone unturned. That's why you guys have such great bets and odds and records and numbers. We appreciate you doing that. Have either of you gone to the hottest NFL gambler in the office and asked him his thoughts? Because that's what I want to know. Evan Foxy. Foxy, what's going to happen tonight in this preseason game? This is your thing.

Preseason football is where you shine, pal. Yeah, I'm on absolute fire, and it's funny. Don't forget about the Lions. Connor walked in this morning, and the first thing he said to me was that someone on the Patriots was going to get hurt. I'm worried. So there's already bad juju on the Patriots' side. And I just looked at this money line.

You got the Eagles at plus 105, and Diggs said they scored a lot of points last week. You got to hammer Eagles' money line tonight. I think that is an absolute lock. I started getting a game up a little. Dumpy, is that what you're doing? No, I'm on Patriots. Thank you, Fox.

I appreciate that. Oh, you're saying that the fade Foxy train still plays. It's got to come back at some point, Pat. You can't let it run forever. He already cursed the Lions in game one of MCDC's career. Oh, true. Anthony Lynn needs to. Yes, he does.

Tighten up. I went into one of our line linebackers houses my rookie year in the nfl to potentially take off to the clouds with the team and there was a football offense for dummies uh book there that this linebacker read and and it helped him, you know, decipher what plays were coming. And this said linebacker is one of the most electrifying humans that I have ever heard in my entire life. I think Foxy has read that book. I think Foxy is now R-sharp when it comes to football gambling.

Let's go. Thank you, Pat. You've always had my back. And it cost me. Yep. Yeah, it did. It did. It cost me a lot of money, but it feels like you're putting preseason parlays together, Foxy.

I mean, you're fucking crushing it right now. Eagles tonight. Let's go. All right. We'll bet on the Eagles. The Eagles-Stillers game is on right now on the TV behind me here, NFL Network. I've been watching the punting and the plays. Joe's sweet feet, quick feet.

Flacka. Oh, footsteps? Joey Footsteps. Joey Footsteps is currently in right now. He's probably going to see a lot of action, huh, tonight? Yeah, I would assume so. But personally, I'll take Cam and number 50 practice squad versus Footsteps and Hur hurts, I think.

Hell yeah. Okay, so Sirianni, the second preseason game, this is going to be viewed as the third preseason game for a lot of teams, I think, AJ. I think this second game here this weekend, we're going to see a lot more starters play longer than we ever imagined. If not this game, they're not going to play the third game for sure. So I think we might see a higher quality football

this weekend, AJ. We should, but also with the Patriots. So if Cam starts, how long does he play and do you read into it? Let's say he plays two series. Is that good for Cam or is that bad for Cam? Let's say he plays the whole first half. What is it? We read into everything that happens in

preseason because we have to. But I think the only thing we're looking for tonight is, is Mack still comfortable? How are his teammates around him? Is he making plays? He missed by a half yard for like another 70 yards probably last week if he really wanted to. The Mack Jones does not stink hype train rolls on tonight hopefully.

But he could come out here and look real bad. They could put him in some bad situations. Last week, they put him in a hurry-up two-minute drill. He went eight and nine in that. He looked comfortable. Cam Newton looked a lot better than he did last year, right, Connor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. He only got two series, like, to AJ's point,

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