The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 478 - Joe Haden, General Bob Carpenter, & AJ Hawk In Studio

Episode Date: August 20, 2021

On today's show, AJ Hawk is live in studio as Pat calls in from the desert ahead of Friday Night SmackDAHN tonight and SummerSlam on Saturday. They chat more about training camp in the NFL, what each of their mentalities were going into practices and the difference between college practices and NFL practices. Joining the program is 3x Pro Bowler, All-Pro, 12 year veteran at CB in the NFL, and current Pittsburgh Steeler, Joe Haden to chat about his career trajectory, what he looks for in WR's, training camp fights, what Coach Tomlin is like, if he wants to play outside corner forever, and much more in an incredible conversation (37:27-56:28). Later, 18th pick of the 2006 NFL Draft, AJ Hawk's college teammate, General Bob Carpenter joins the show to chat about everything going on in the football world, how college football is going to end up playing out, he tells a hilarious story about Lions Head Coach, Dan Campbell, and much more in a conversation that goes off the rails quickly (56:30-1:18:17). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's up everybody, it is Friday, August 20th. You are listening to the Pat McAfee Show 2.0. Pat, still in the desert in preparation for Friday Night Smackdown tonight and SummerSlam tomorrow. AJ Hawk is in studio, plus Joe Hayden and General Bob Carpenter. It's a feel-good Friday. Be a friend, tell a friend. Let's get into it. a feel-good Friday. Be a friend. Tell a friend. Let's get into it.

But I'm joined here, obviously, by all the boys who seem to be very spirited on this feel-good Friday that you guys like to have. There you go. I walked into this place, and you guys are juiced, man. How you doing? Boston Connor, what's happening, man? You juiced. Oh, 35-0 victory. Oh, Super Bowl for sure, Patriots?

Hey, look, I'm not going to talk about the 35-0. Jalen Hurts wasn't playing, so the zero doesn't really count. But, AJ, come on. Jesus. What are you doing? The first thing you did earlier was knock over a bunch of shit out there. It's 800 degrees in here again. Are you mad?

I'm not going to harp on it because it always happens. I know Pat is watching, sitting in his gigantic 18,000-square-foot rental in Phoenix, and he's looking at it and doesn't want me talking about his desk. I get it. But it's 400 degrees in here, and your desk is an absolute mess. But either way, I'm happy to be here, honored to be here. Gumpy's here. Diggs is here.

Connor, we talked to you. How we doing? Ty Schmidt, I hear we may have a little bit of a Sirianni press conference at some point today. I don't know. There's rumors about it. All the boys in the back doing great. Zeke, first off, I got to congratulate you on what you've been doing, man.

What you've done yesterday, Pat's in Phoenix. Obviously, everything that you do, Zito Productions, couldn't do without you. Thank you, man. I watched you scramble on my screen from home going back and forth figuring all this stuff out. So congrats, Zeke. Good job. Thank you, Zeke. Thank you.

Thank you, Zeke. All right, I guess now we're going to see if we can make this work. And let's dial up old Pat McAfee out in Phoenix in that expensive mansion that he has been renting for SummerSlam and everything else. Pat, what's happening, man? Hey, Johnny. Great job. Oh, exactly. Yeah, this thing's going to work. It's not actually.

Oh, wait. Yeah, it is maybe. Yeah, we got you. We got you. We got you. Hey, a lot of times, like, you'll hear when I first talk, it'll echo back to me for the first little bit, and then it always shuts off. Well, I think that's because Zito's trying to test it out or whatever.

I took the AirPods off because every time I talk, it would snap, crackle, and pop. You know, rice krispies right in my ears. I hated that. So now we try to figure it out the other way. I'm just doing classic FaceTime with you. And somehow, okay, okay somehow my service people have been saying out here in the middle of the fucking desert has somehow been better than you every single day over there in ohio we don't know how the world works but i want to let you know

thank you so much for going into studio you're obviously crushing it here early let the beat drop knocked over aaron hell of a fucking start for you aj let's have a feel-good friday that's right man it's gonna be a good day i'm glad to be here but let's get into some football action i see connor just staring at me it's weird because i'm used to being in the attic and now i can just feel connor's gaze just staring at me like come on you know we gotta talk about the patriots right 35 nothing i'm gonna act like i'm not excited but i'm super juiced what do you think about mac what you think about cam i know people say0. I'm going to act like I'm not excited, but I'm super juiced. What do you think about Mac? What do you think about Cam? I know people say, of course, Cam's going to start the regular season.

How long do you think it is until Cam can hold Mac off? Well, that's a fascinating question, AJ, because watching last night, I think we were all doing the same exact thing. First of all, what the fuck happened to Jalen Hurts? Yikes. Is he all right? He warmed up. He warmed up, right, in pads?

Was he wearing everything and warm up with the team and then taken to the hospital? Yep. I was watching him on NFL Network here. He had his entire kit on. Was warming up playing catch beforehand. After warm-ups catch, he was playing. And then all of a sudden, he's nowhere to be found.

I go take a leak. I come back, Joey Flacco's. I'm like, is Joey Flacco the fucking starter in Philadelphia over Jalen? And then that reporting of him being sick or whatever kind of came fast. I thought he got a positive test, and they didn't find out until then. They're like, we got to get you away from everybody. But allegedly it was just a tummy upset, tummy ache or whatever. Joey Flacco tried his best.

That Eagles team looks a long way away from home. But just like everybody else, I wanted to see what Cam had. You know, Cam, fresh out of 86 days of unemployment, he gets COVID. The team stinks. They stink. He throws like four touchdowns last year. Didn't really get a good bite at the apples, what everybody says. And now there's a first-round draft pick quarterback waiting for him to stink.

And Cam came out and played better than he did in the first game, even though he only got like six snaps. Eight and nine, he was leading guys. He looked like he had some good zip. Almost missed a little check down or whatever to a running back. I think that was really his worst play of the night. Cam looked unbelievable. Then Mac came in and followed suit.

I like the way fucking Mac answered. I think Mac had to answer there a little bit. I like that game, AJ. I liked it a lot what they both showed. Well, I think they both showed a lot, but they also – Mac has some momentum going leading into this game, and he's absolutely built on that momentum, I feel like. But, Conor, I want to ask you, Cam Newton looked great.

Yeah. Does Cam Newton – does this team have a better chance to win the Super Bowl with Cam Newton or Mac Jones the quarterback? Right now. I'm not talking like, hey, say two months down the road. Right now, what do you think? Right now, I would take Mac Jones just because of what happened.

You want me to say Cam Newton while I'm wearing this shirt? If I had the Newton jersey on, maybe I'd say Cam. But I mean, I'd say Mac. AJ, it's because he's racist. Whoa! That's what the internet was saying.

I can believe that. Is that why... That is despicable! How dare you! You two have actually switched places. Pat's playing the role of AJ right now. It's perfect. We can't have that here, can we?

That's despicable. I can't believe you two would put that sort of blast on my name. Way to go, AJ. Way to go. Way to go. If Tim McAfee knew this was going on, he'd come in here with his pistol and he would take care of it. We don't like that. He's got tools on him at any time. Hey, Pat pat what do we

what do they call tim uh penny shot tim i can't believe you remembered actually was that yesterday or two days ago that's his fucking name 350 yards up guy can hit a penny with a rifle give him a good stroke but what i'm saying is that's how the Internet has felt, by the way, about New England fans that are excited for Mac Jones. Legit, like Connor is obviously not racist. Connor's Connor's. He's got too much love in his heart to hate anybody, I think, because the amount of hate he has probably felt throughout his life with the way he is. But I think it's going to be very difficult for anybody to really make a stand up there because Cam's playing so fucking well. Cam's playing so well.

But all anybody wants, myself included, and I'm a Cam Newton guy, I just want to see fucking Mac. Like, I want to see him go out. It looks like Tom Brady reincarnated up there. That's what it looks like, John. Yeah, well, I mean, the reason I say Mac is because, like, his pre-snap reads just feel better than Cam Newton's. Like, the whole thing.

You know who the MVP is, Connor? The MVP of that game that people aren't talking about. How about that offensive line? Any highlight you show, Cam, Mac, whoever it is, is sitting back there for days, it feels like, letting everything progress. I was sitting back there thinking, if I'm on defense, man, we can't cover for five or six seconds.

Like, guys are going to come open. I think Mac and Cam both did a good job of hitting, hitting like little windows and their receivers sat down in those windows when they needed i don't know if they can carry that over the regular season but right now i would feel pretty good if i'm patriots yeah if we didn't have four able running backs i think it would be a much different story because you probably need cam to help the running game but because we have that it's just like yeah you might as well have the dude who is very accurate with the football and who can make all the reads and write checks and i think that is mac right now i mean right now but should they start in week one though uh i mean i think it's not going to get announced

till like friday of game week against the fins it's probably going to go all the way up to there i would just because his whole thing going into the draft was if you need a quarterback right away the dude who can come in learn your playbook and play week one was mac jones so i think you might as well roll with them and then if not hopefully it motivates him and you know makes him work harder and maybe he'll earn the job week four week five for you guys aj and pat that have been in the nfl camps is it pat you said it you loved classes in college that moment the majority of the class was based on tests. Like, hey, 85% of your grades are going to be based on tests. In the NFL, in preseason, is it 50-50 between what you see in practices versus what you see in the preseason games,

or is practice more important than the games? How does that work for NFL camps? Patrick? You're sitting in my chair, dude. I think this is your answer. I found the CBDMD gummies, and I'm actually kind of hungry, so I was going to eat a few of them. I thought you were going to tell me.

You're going to fall asleep. Those have been there a long time. I've been having a lot of CBD out here myself. It's not the sleepy ones. I don't know. Hey, they're good, though. CBDMD's good until they're not. I've only got a couple weeks left of them.

You're almost going back and being 25% up. But the thing that I think is those preseason games, especially game two, I think we're going to see a lot of guys play, a lot of action. Yeah. And I was thinking about this last night. Because the four preseason game, it was always like first one, ain't nobody playing. Second one, tie into the series, maybe two.

Third one, let's streak this closest to a game. Let's do a half, and then we'll come out into the second half so we can go through the entire routine and even play the middle eight, which is so important, and then that fourth preseason game. Let's hope everybody survives, kind of throw away. Now what everybody's going to do is first game doesn't matter. Second game seems to be where we're here and a lot of people are going to play. Tonight, the line's moving heavily in the Chiefs' favor

because I think a lot of people know potentially that the Chiefs' favor because it is – I think a lot of people know potentially that the Chiefs are probably playing the entire first half. Their stars are actually playing the entire first half. So then that second half is going to be who? Backups and everything like that. And to your question, Diggs, on does practice matter or do the games matter? Like I say this so often, situations are so situational.

But some guys come alive in these preseason games that stink during practice, and it's like, okay, this guy's a gamer. Or maybe somebody's incredible in practice, they stink in a game whenever they're doing a final judgment. It's like, okay, when the lights come on, can this motherfucker still play? So I think it kind of goes hand in hand. AJ, what are your thoughts on that? Practice reps absolutely matter in training camp,

especially if you're having those inter squad uh scrimmages and your coaches are putting up like you're making these situations here we go this is red zone this is goal line this is competitive he'll tell you hey this is live guys that's a big deal when a coach steps in and tells everybody it's live everyone starts yelling from the sidelines and guys get stupid and start getting fights and that's what makes training camp fun to watch um but, yeah, I think Sirianni even said what Jalen has done in practice is a big deal, too, of how we're evaluating him, so missing the game wasn't as big a deal. Well, and I think also, and I'm sorry for continuing to harp

on the same subject here, but, like, for me, I was never a practice guy, right? I was never a practice guy. That's what it was titled, I guess, right? Like, practice guy. Do you mean that you didn't do well in practice or you didn't like practice i didn't care about practice enough in anything okay soccer i got did there i do my thing hey i'll run i'll do this whole thing but what are we doing we're talking about practice you know what i mean like because i had so many games in every sport that I played, it was like the practices I understood were essential. But if it was like, I wasn't like a big, hey,

every rep matters in practice guy type thing. So I actually wondered, especially when I went into the NFL and was drafted in a position I did not know much about. Like, I was going to have to figure out how to punt as we go here. It's like practice in the nfl whenever you're a rookie that is your trial like that's your audition you know so it's no longer like a practice rep it's like hey my livelihood rep is here you know and that's like kind of i think the difference between high school college and nfl now i because of adam

vinatieri being around me and and I think obviously watching others, practice is so fucking important. And I was wrong for a long time with the way I viewed it. But if you can get yourself into a game rep in your mind, in practice, God, you're so much better. Every rep means something. And that's what AJ's saying in those situations. Like, hey, here we are.

Down two. This was us week nine last year down to right before half third whatever we have two timeouts like you have to kind of put yourself in those game reps and if you perform in those practice reps I think the coaches will have faith that you'll be able to do it but at some point you got to be able to do it when the lights are on too and I'm not saying preseason is the only time but when the uh like regular season starts as well well we know there's some guys that practice all-stars, and they do great in practice.

Then the lights come on, and the real game happens, and somehow they seem to shrink. Why is that? I don't know. I mean, some people, I guess, are – some people come alive when the game means the most and when things really matter. And some people, I think, kind of shudder

and are fearful of that situation. AJ, how were you in practice your whole life? Really good in practice? I mean, I was there. I wanted to make sure I was always situation. AJ, how were you in practice your whole life? Really good in practice? I mean, I was there. I wanted to make sure I was always there. Yeah, exactly. That was exactly how I was. When you got to the Packers, did it change, though,

the way you addressed practice? I mean, I would say I learned in college probably how to practice. In high school, it was just straight survival. Like, we're blasting each other all day, every day. Let's try to learn our plays and learn the defense, and let's just survive to and get to friday for the game in college when i think i learned how to practice like okay i'm gonna be intentional like i need to i need to work on my hands today i would always like you know you try to pick one thing and a lot of that's corny when they go just get better one thing each day okay whatever like you can use that

though i do remember vividly thinking luke fickle my linebacker coach in college like he really was the first one i think that taught me how to use my hands well like and he kept harping on it and then it it stuck in my brain i think it helped me a lot yeah i think practice once you start viewing it properly like you know you got his punishment you gotta you gotta view it as hey this is for me to get better like i need this is gonna help me play better when normally you look at practice as punishment okay we got to get through practice so we can play the games yeah and it's tough because i'm not much of a future thinker i think a lot of people know that i'm a checkers player not a chess player but in practice you have to think

of like hey like two years from now i'm gonna be better because i'm doing this like it is in this rep right here that i'm in my mind is just so much different. I think if I would have learned how to practice a lot earlier, I think my life would have been much different. Another thing that was tough for me is like first halves of games, whether it was soccer, I played volleyball, football, whatever sport I played. First half, like, hey, I'm half asleep basically. Like, all right.

Like, then what do we, we're kind of buying time here. Because in soccer, I wasn't in the greatest shape anyways so let me go ahead and save some energy here for later it caught up to me in football though like hey the first quarter fucking matters just as much as the fourth quarter does you know like and that was something these are all those sunday one o'clock games like that's a real thing like in green bay you play sunday noon games noon central one eastern so it's even earlier you go out there for warm-up sometimes at what 10 something 10 15 like it's early people are still in church and you're out there trying to get some juice for the game so that was absolutely something that mccarthy would talk about in green bay like people coming here and you better get ready early

because someone could jump out and get to uh they're up 17 nothing before you blink yeah and in my particular profession you can fuck up in the first quarter, and it will not be forgiven when we are in the fourth quarter. You know, like, there is, there's things, there are plays. You know what I mean? Early, like, that whole process, it doesn't get talked about a lot because I don't think a lot of pros talk about it openly, but that whole, like, mentality and practice,

how you can be so much better if you attack practice with an actual mentality. Like, hey, I'm going to win today's practice as opposed to I'm going to get through today's practice. And then games, like realizing, like, hey, I have to do what I have to do to get myself ready to go play one all the way through fourth quarter. Because in my position, there's a lot of standing around. Fucking, I'm just standing around and have to show up. You know what I mean? So it's like there's just i think that whole process of going through games pre-season can help that obviously but i think i mean it is it is nothing until you kind of experience it failure after failure after failure

hey going back to the patriots so grump the patriots play the dolphins week one yeah who you as a dolphin stand who do you want to play quarterback for the patriots who do you want to face it should be cam that starts week one. He deserves a shot. Whether I'm a Dolphins fan or not, I think it's best to date. Who would you rather? If you're playing for the Dolphins, you're the safety for the Dolphins, who do you want in there at quarterback to give you the best chance to beat them?

See what I think? If you saw the passes Cam made last night. He's not answering it. No, he's not. It's all right. You don't have to. He said Cam. It's Cam.

Put him on the spot. As a Dolphins fan, you want Cam. I put you on the spot, but yeah, I get it. I'm torn's not. You don't have to. He said Cam. It's Cam. Put him on the spot. As a Dolphins fan, you want Cam. I put you on the spot, but yeah, I get it. I'm torn. I don't know what to do. If you saw the passes Cam made last night, those are the passes he's going to make with the two tight ends and the way they set up the run.

I think Cam will be not just as good, but he'll be fine in that system. He let people know that he completed some balls down the field. That's what made people feel better. If he was 8-9 for 61 yards and didn't complete anything over 7 yards, then you'd be worried probably. I think he got into a rhythm early. I think Cam got into a rhythm

early. It was almost like watching him. It was like, oh, this is good. This is what Cam could be. This is like, if Cam was playing like this. Remember, he had no teammates last year no yeah he had no teammates i mean gunner obviously out there doing his thing but he had no teammates last year and he got covered and policies and you whatever the case was he was a

very driven hungry dude going into last year that all got derailed then he came out and said listen i ain't going out like that or whatever i I just – I love the thought of Mac Jones, but I think Bill Belichick has been very open. Like, hey, this is Cam's team. And if Cam plays good with all the weapons around him, with McDaniel's offense and everything like that, I mean, it could be a while before we see Mac full time, AJ. Yeah, I was going to say, Bill has been saying the whole time that Mac –

or, I mean, that Cam is going to be his starter. And if he continues to perform like this, why would you switch at this point and go to Mac? Maybe he has a little bit quicker of a leash, but at this point, if Cam continues to perform like this, what is he showing that says he shouldn't be the starter? No, you're right. It makes complete sense.

Put Cam in there week one. Hopefully he plays well enough to hold Mac off where people aren't asking for Mac, yelling, hey, second half, like they're chanting for Mac. And, yeah, you just go from there and see where it plays out, I guess, because then you can always go to Mac if you really need to. But how good does Cam have to play, though, for Mac to knock it in? Well, I was also going to say, let's not forget,

he had the same exact numbers last night as Mason Rudolph did last week against that same defense, The Eagles defense stinks. Hey, hold on, Diggs. I did see that. Hey, I saw you taking the victory lap last night. Had to. After the night before that, I had to take a victory lap last night. Well, you deserve it, man.

And if we're going to go to anybody for preseason football numbers, look at the fucking COVID cowboy. This guy's not accepting defenses, dude. So what does Sirianni think? Do we know how... Is Sirianni upset about this? I don't know. So first things first, I'd like to address

Jalen, yes, he had a little bit of a tummy ache. Again, this is about the intricacies and the details, and we're trying to figure out what we're doing. We did the Kobayashi method last night. Now Jalen knows, hey, don't eat 14 hot dogs before an NFL football game. So we will dial that in. We'll get that figured out.

In terms of defense, I'll be honest, I have not addressed much of the defense thus far this year. So I will at this point, we're going to have to get that sorted out. We'll see which one of these guys want to compete because when we're getting beat 35, nothing, I mean, you just, you can't do it. Once again, I said last week, I guarantee we win our next football game. We'll get the details, right? We'll get the little things that we didn't really do as well last night.

We'll get those right. And we will win our next football game. Mark my words. And Jalen won't eat 15 hot dogs before the game next time. All right, let's go, Coach. There we go. I like the positivity. Just continue to guarantee the next game you're going to win. That's all you got to do, right? Why not?

Will anybody check them? You think, like, how many times can you say, I guarantee next game? I mean, what's the worst that can happen? People are saying, hey, it didn't come true. Okay, well, don't wait this week. I guarantee. Hey, wait until you see this next game. I mean, what's the worst that can happen? People are saying, hey, it didn't come true. Okay, well, don't wait this week. I guarantee. Hey, wait until you see this next game, bro. You thought I was serious last time.

Wait until I fucking show you this next time. I guarantee you win this time. How about Sirianni with the milkshake tummy reference there? Is it because the water wasn't perfectly temperatured? Yeah, and I didn't – I mean, it was my fault. I didn't check the glasses before he was dunking them in the water, so there could have been some bacteria in there. I'll have to go talk with the weight staff and see if they did clean them

and dishwash them beforehand. So I'll make sure that doesn't happen again. But, again, I think Joe Flacco competed, and he looked good last night. So, you know, it's not all doom and gloom around here, okay? We got a lot of things we can look forward to, build on. What can you build on from that game, Coach? 35-0. What can you take from that that will help you?

Well, we can score some fucking points next week. DeVonta Smith looked good, Coach. Yeah. Again, you know, I've been working with him a lot. He – the guy likes to compete. You see the routes he runs. I mean, he's NFL ready right now. Again, we need to get him and Jalen on the same page.

But you saw the way Joe was playing with – I mean, Joe Falco is a good football player. Coach, anything to say about the people commentating the game? Oh, my God. I haven't had the chance to watch the TV copy back yet, but I did see a lot of tweets that were saying Ross Tucker looked like a big, dumb dipshit and sounded like him. Again, no comments from me in terms of that yet because I have not got a chance to watch the TV. What did Ross say?

I didn't get to hear it. It was on mute where I was. Dude, it was so bad. They had this bad. It was so bad. I saw a clip, too, where old buddy did this sweet spin move. You can hear Ross's voice over top of it. But what else is going on?

JJ Taylor, yeah, that was a great play. It was to the point where it was so bad that I wanted to mute it, but I wanted to see if it was going to get any better or any worse. They had this back and forth like, do you know what I'm saying when I say that guy's a dude, that guy's a guy? Do you know what I mean? And the dude responded like, yeah, you mean like he's a guy, he's a dude. And then Ross Tucker said, oh, so you don't know what I mean.

And the dude responded, no, I was going for the laugh. And then dead silence for five seconds. And then back into the broadcast. It was brutal. Even the sideline reporter. It was so bad. Man, it was bad. AJ, I've been getting a chance now, right, to listen to all these local broadcasts.

Because they all play. I learned a lot about Scott Zolak, who I just found out is a Pittsburgh guy. Whenever the Patriots game was being called. Last night, I learned a lot about Ross Tucker. Ross Tucker, I can tell why his podcasts are good. You know what I mean? I can tell why his podcasts are good. Different style when you're commentating a game.

But I did see some internet reaction to old Ross Tucker. The local groups being introduced to the world I think should happen more often, AJ. Yeah, I agree. And I know Ross. I've done different I know Ross. I've done different things with Ross and his shows. I was at the Super Bowl a couple years ago with him with DAZN doing some stuff. Oh!

That was actually the year that you had the deal with Timmy Thibault at the Topgolf in Atlanta, right? Yeah, why didn't you come to that? I was there. Me and you filmed a segment. We filmed for about 30 minutes. Oh, yeah, that was awesome. I remember that. That was a great segment.

Actually, it was terrible. We just jammed it in for some reason. I had no reason to be there, but we were going to film something for DAZN, I believe. And so once everybody was done, me and you were like, all right, I guess we'll just hit some balls. Oh, was that the Keekly member? No. Keekly was there. I talked to Keekly. Keekly and Thomas Davis.

Yeah, yeah, they were both there. Bro, that was a tough go. That was a long day you had. I mean, we got some good comments out of that. Obviously, Jesus Christ loves you is the top of that whole thing. But AJ, when you showed up, you saved us. We were in the middle of a lot of conversations that were not going great. So we appreciate you coming out.

Oh, yeah. That was for Levi's or something. The Wranglers. The Wranglers. My bad. Have some respect. Come on, dude. My bad, Brett F going great. We appreciate it. That was for Levi's or something. The Wranglers. Have some respect. Come on, dude. My bad, Brett Favre. You're right. Pat, did you see when they threw?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa. Whoa. Yep. Who? Brett Favre. Okay, let's talk about Brett Favre. He brought him up.

He's our show host. He said the kids should not be tackling football, and I literally just FaceTimed you as you were walking off an eight-year-old's practice field when you were telling them to hit each other harder. Your thoughts on Brett Favre's thoughts on football stuff. We can get into Brett Favre's thoughts on everything else, too. That kind of seems like the new Brett Favre thing. But your thoughts on Brett Favre saying, hey, CT is a real thing, man. They shouldn't be tackling at that young age as being a coach of those young age kids

that are tackling each other. Your thoughts, AJ? It's something I think about all the time. I think about that at my kids' practice. Yeah, I knew Brett had talked about in the past, right, like different issues that he may have suffered from. But to see the produced piece slash commercial infomercial he did, it's like the kid playing little Brett and then medium Brett

and then current day Brett. They're all talking, right, about possibilities. I didn't know it was like Young did. It's like what the kid playing Little Brett and then like Medium Brett and then Current Day Brett. They're all talking about possibilities. I didn't know it was like Young Rock. It was. I didn't see that. You didn't see the video that they put out of him? No. I just saw the headline. No, it's a video. It's a whole production that they put together and had a guy

representing Little Brett, Medium Brett, and then Old Brett and he's talking. Yeah, you guys need to watch the whole thing. My mom actually texted me about it. She's like, have you seen this Brett Favre video? I had no idea he was against kids playing football and all that. Young Brett? Yeah, there's a kid. They hired an actor to be young Brett.

Was the guy that was teaching Damon how to play his most recent role in the movie playing old Brett Favre? Which one? Who? What else is Brett against? I don't know. What is he against? Do you know? I was just wondering. There it is. It's supposed to be young Brett Favre. Yep, there's medium Brett. Is that

Sean Astin? Is that Vinatieri? See? Is that young Vinny? That looks like a young Vinatieri. Brett used to have some jet black hair back when he was young, I guess. Hey, listen, little me. Is that what he's saying? That's exactly what he's saying, yeah.

Hey, listen, you've been tackling too many kids at this age. Is it a real thing? How long is this video? It's one minute. I don't know if I can play it or not. Hey, zoom in on that bottom. How many? 204,000?

Yeah. 204. 204.8. A lot of people have seen this video, this is a big deal aj you're part of the problem not the solution well we know numbers are down like with youth football all over the country so i mean i would imagine this isn't going to help them hey numbers are not down for nfl guys though oh yeah what do you mean what's that what do you mean this was my take um whenever all the war on football is

happening they're saying hey we're not gonna have enough people playing or whatever you know yeah like pumbaa those fucking kids are putting helmets on running into each other they don't care about any of the signs okay down there in south florida they're fucking running into each other at the young age you don't care about it i think a lot of the neighborhoods where um you know people end up in the centerville i don't care about any i think a lot of the neighborhoods where um you know people end up in the centerville i don't think they're fucking stopping servo ohio i don't think there's a lot of the neighborhoods that i think produce a large portion of the nfl people uh players in the nfl i don't think that whole war on football ever cracked into their community ever like i

understand that brett might open some other people eyes, but I don't think there's... You know what I mean? I just don't think that's ever going to happen. Maybe down in Orange County in Montauk. That's what I'm talking about. What was the school you went to? Bucky and Brian Nichols, current offensive coordinator of the Seattle Seahawks.

Are you talking about that school? No, I wasn't talking about that school. Is that right? Well, no, Pat, and I think it was Levante David who came on here who said they were doing Oklahoma drills and alleys. Like, I don't think those kids are not playing football anymore because of the science either. No, there's portions of America where a lot of the NFL guys come from, okay?

I happen to be from one of them, and I'm not an actual football player. I'm just a guy who punted and kicked them. But tackle football is never going to stop. It doesn't matter how many Dr. Will Smiths come out. You know what I mean? It actual football player. I'm just a guy who punted and kicked them. But tackle football is never going to stop. It doesn't matter how many Dr. Will Smiths come out. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter. Brett Favre can do a young rock, all right, and have different stages of Brett do that thing,

and I think that is very admirable. But I think there's going to be people that are always going to be against it. That's bullshit. There's just always going to be that because football provides such an opportunity for a lot of things for so many people. I mean, it is. And it teaches like all sports. Although, yeah, you want to keep head injuries out.

You don't need, we know, like it's not good for any young kid to bang his head off of his teammates in practice and in games. But it's like, you got to look at everything though. Like think of the valuable life lessons you learn. Like you've heard Tom Brady kind of talk about what playing football, being on a team, has done for his life and how it's affected every aspect.

So there's a ton of positives, plenty of negatives. Hey, I didn't grow up in the football community. Yeah, that's weird. So was it a culture shock to you when you actually finally were on a team in West Virginia full-time? Yes, 1,000%. It was like, golly. Was it different? Is it way different than any other sport, like being on a soccer team or anything else? in West Virginia full-time? Yes, 1,000%. It was like, golly.

Was it different? Is it way different than any other sport, like being on a soccer team or anything else? Yeah, so, like, I think soccer team locker room, you know, soccer is like a marathon sport, you know? So I think everybody's like, it's a different mentality. You're casual. It's like baseball.

Like, you're casual. You have more games and just hanging out more. Yeah, it's just much more relaxed i i think the also the diversity i think now it was different you know like i got a chance to play with guys that grew up in long island new jersey and all over the place you know and like the most middle east i had some middle eastern teammates and everything like that that i was teammates with and it was interesting you know like it was fascinating learning about the world uh that way but football you learn about america quick like i learned a lot more about america i think in a football locker room and

then the lessons that i learned you know through football as opposed to what the soccer environment is and the soccer culture is as opposed to the football culture it's like i feel like i fit in like as soon as i went into a football locker room, I was like, oh, I feel like this is where I probably should have been for a long time, even though I was incredibly intimidated for a while. Incredibly intimidated. Just kind of quiet in my own thing. But it felt like just like that atmosphere, not only interacting with people,

but relying on people that are much different than you to do their job so that you can be happy. I mean, it's just like that locker room, the upside to being in football, I think, is priceless. You know, now, granted, keep people safe. Obviously, we thank everybody who have to do that whole thing. But to your point, the ups and the pros of football together, I think, far outweigh the cons if treated and medically handled properly. Well, I think it's going to be hard to just keep kids away in general, too. It's like the NFL is growing bigger and bigger.

Like it's not going anywhere. Like kids are always going to want to play football. And I think at a certain point it's just like, oh, it's so big. Like it's the same thing. It's like it's just what you do. AJ, if those kids don't tackle until they're 16, 15, 16. Yeah. Like are they more?

Are they? I guess situations are situational. Some people will be able to pick it up like a fish to water. I get it. But, like, isn't, like, tackling recklessly also very dangerous? Like, isn't that a pretty dangerous thing? Yeah, I mean, you could look at it different ways. You could say, all right, if you didn't tackle until you're 16, yeah, your brain is more developed when you get there

and you haven't developed bad habits to tackle. Like, you could say that, hey, we don't have to have to like retrain this person to get rid of these bad habits. Or you could say like this guy doesn't know what he's doing. But some kids that learn at a young age, they learn how to like use their proper fundamentals, keep their head out of it, do everything right. So you can look at it. I mean, it's like anything. It's a violent sport. You can never take all the risk out of it, but we can do whatever we can to try to make that risk as low as possible.

But, hey, big dudes running fast, hitting each other. Things are going to happen, man. Where's that Rydell at, Hawk? Perfect. Perfect. I was with my son at practice that night, and I think I even mentioned his Rydell. You see it?

It's right there. You see it, buddy? Stick that up. James said glancing blow, glancing blowendrix listen what we need is the ride out to stay up there and not just bash off your nose because then you get old uh pancake ass nose like your dad has that's the problem he started he's already started to develop that and he's actually excited for it i'm like all right buddy whatever once you once you get that thing going it's gonna be bruised for the next 15 years hey that nose is like cauliflower wow wait aj do your kids like at recess and like in the backyard and stuff like play tackle football with other kids is that a thing still

i mean they try to at recess they're not allowed but yeah they definitely try you can't play tackle no not at recess we did and then someone would get hurt and then they would say no more tackle We did, and then someone would get hurt, and then they would say no more tackle. Or if it was on the concrete, they would say no tackle. I feel like our neighborhood, I've been playing tackle football. I didn't play organized football or whatever, but in Pittsburgh, you play tackle football whenever you're a child. Don't you play handball or speedball? Or do you guys just play the game? Kill the man with the ball.

There you go. Kill the guy with the ball. That's the only thing you ever called it for sure, but that's what we used to do in our backyards, in the parks, like everywhere. There's a park behind my house we used to go play that. Kill the person with the football. Yeah. Great game, right?

Yeah, I love that game. I think that's why tackle is so good, by the way. Really? Plus, you started playing with my friends when you were like a kid, so, I mean, you were always playing people twice your size when you're like a kid so i mean you're always playing people twice your size like when you're younger something to that face the guy i felt very comfortable tackling people like when i was on the high school team as soon as i got there i didn't go to practices we'd kick off and if i didn't get a touchback like whatever one of the seven

ten times maybe the all year that i didn't and i i made a couple tackles and everybody was like what are you doing or whatever i I'm like, it's just fucking backyard football out here. What are we even doing here? My form wasn't great. I mean, even whenever I was an adult playing, it was not great. But hey, listen, we're going to have a collision. Get them down. You're going to stick your face in there and you're going to get them down. That's all

that matters. Well, not always. I mean, not your face. Just be a speed bump. Sometimes you got to be a speed bump, man. And when you got the ball on that field goal that didn't go too well, what did you take it, 55 yards to the house from kill the carrier? Is that what it was? Yeah.

That was like my first game, I think, on the football team. Long snapper launched it over the snapper's head on an extra point. Goes all the way back to like 35-40, I think. Maybe 30. What was it,s probably 30 35 30 35 i picked that thing up now i have the ball and there is 11 of the other team chasing me i do a hip toss on a guy like a momentum hip toss on the guy i dive in over the thing score i'm like yo let's give me the ball. Let's give me the ball a little bit.

How we doing? But it was crazy because the backyard football, street football, carried right into regular football for me. And it's like they can monitor all this tackling football and everything like that. But in neighborhoods, I assume people are still tackling and playing. Hopefully. Hopefully that happens.

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Joe, what's up, man? How you doing? I'm good. How you doing, fellas? We're doing great. We're doing great. So, I know people ask you, obviously, what you're doing with, you know, the Steelers and how is Mike Tomlin, what's it like compared to Cleveland, but I want to know, what do

you think of your old coach, Urban Meyer? What do you think it's going to be like in Jacksonville, and do you think that he's going to be able to win games down there? I hope he does. I think the main thing is if he's going to be able to win games down there? I hope he does. I think the main thing is if he's going to be able to transfer that coaching mentality of he's the boss and be able to adjust to adults making more than he is

as the players. Just being that good coach in the locker room, being able to relate to the players that have families, have kids, have things like that. I think he's going to be successful with it because I think that's going to be the main adjustment for Coach. Joe, I remember when you went from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, it was a big deal. It feels like you fit in perfectly over there in Pittsburgh.

What has it been like to be a Pittsburgh Steeler? What's Tomlin like on the day-to-day? You guys obviously have been a massive part of all the success. That defensive side of the ball has always been dogs in Pittsburgh. Yeah, man. It's been amazing because being in Cleveland the time that I was there, it was just a big whirlwind of just coaching change and everybody just trying to say nothing.

When the new coach comes in, it was the old atmosphere, wanting to switch everything up. But just being in Pittsburgh, having that consistent consistency, having that coach that you know, that word, him having those phrases that he doesn't move by. And, you know, it's just really, really good having a coach like Coach T. He's very relatable. He keeps it very, very black and white. The tape doesn't lie. And he's able to just judge you on that.

And I appreciate him because, you know, just having that and having a real, just a man, a leader of men, I think he's just a leader of men. And it's great to have him. Hey, Joe, let's say you're playing against one of these young stud receivers that get drafted high. I'm sure you've played against obviously a ton of them over your time. Do you go back and watch a lot of their college tape when you don't have any NFL tape or you have very little NFL film on them?

Honestly, I don't. I don't. I mean, I watched them back in the day when they were playing in college football. Like, you know, the young receivers that are good. I think once they're out there, the slants are slants. Like, how many times you give me a different type of slant, different posts, you know, the releases or whatever. But, you know, I really just i watched the tape and i watched the schemes mostly do you yeah i mean hey that's smart it seems to have worked so far joe so just

continue the good work on your side have you noticed though from when you got in the league until now are guys like more are i guess just are they more prepared when they show up now compared to maybe 10 11 years ago it seems like these guys are making an impact day one um i think you know i think it's a little bit of both. You know, I think when I came out, it was, we had Julio, AJ, those dudes were really, really league ready instantly as soon as they came out. So I think it's a lot more of these dudes now you can find in later rounds that are instantly ready to play.

So I think, you know, and then obviously when i first got in the league the biggest change is you can't touch anybody you can't touch these receivers anywhere after you can't press them on the line grabbing the jerseys it's going to be offensive pass i mean defensive experience so now it's more of a scheme reading a more of a route concept reading game so you got to just be more it's more above above neck. Joe, obviously vet now, how do these joint practices not end in a brawl every time? Honestly, I have no idea how they do it. Yesterday, there was five with the Tampa Bay and Tennessee thing.

Rams, Raiders got shut down because there were too many fights. There are jobs on the table. There are lives being different. I don't know how that isn't a fight every single time are you more mature than we are because we've been asking that question every single time basically yeah i'm i'm not a fan of it honestly because you know it gets it gets intense on your own training camps when coach he says i want tough guys but we're not trying to make a ufc here, so I want no fights.

I completely get where he's coming from. So when you're doing it against your team, there's still little scuffles that we have on our team. You know what I'm saying? But when I was with Cleveland, I did one joint practice against Tampa Bay. And one-on-one, it just is way more personal. You're going against a whole

other team. You know what I'm saying? It's a game and it's practice, so you know you're not going to get kicked out. You got dudes on your team that are real goons against other dudes that are testing each other's manhood. I'm not a real fan of joint practices. That real goons thing,

I think people forget that there are some actual goons in the NFL. There are guys, surprisingly enough, that make a living hitting people in the NFL. There are guys, surprisingly enough, that make a living hitting people in the NFL. I think that gets forgotten sometimes. Yeah, there's dudes on the team that really

look forward to it. Speaking of real goons, Boston Connery, you got a question? Thanks, AJ. I appreciate it. Joe, not many guys can play at the level you had at corner for this long. You see the transition to safety a lot. Have you ever thought about doing that later on in your career?

Are you going to play corner until the wheels fall off? I'm playing outside corner until the wheels fall off. I told my dudes, you know, I've been fortunate enough, you know what I'm saying, made a couple dollars. So, until when the team tells me that I'm no longer going to be one of the two outside corners, nickel's not a thing I'm looking to do or safety. What's up, Diggs? You got something?

Yeah, Joe. So you obviously were in Cleveland for a while. Not a lot of wins over there when you were there. Now we have a guy who's also making a similar transition from Cleveland to Jacksonville, now to the Steelers. Have you talked to Joe Schobert and told him, you know, what it's like to go from not winning a lot of games to going to a team that hasn't had a losing season in 17 years? I just kind of told him, you know, because we actually crossed paths one year in Cleveland together.

So I know Joe. And then when he came here, I just told him, he's a smart football player. And the one thing about it is once you learn the scheme here, I've been in this game now for five years, so you're able to really just start wondering what the offense is doing. You're not worried about the plays that's called. Once the play's called, you're figuring out. You're just so many steps ahead when you're not learning a new system,

when you're not learning a new scheme. The terminology is the same. So I told Joe, like, listen, once you get this terminology down, it's not going nowhere. So you're going to be able to be a great player. Like you can play fast. So he's such a smart player. So I think he's going to be able to, he can tell already that it's just, it's just, it's a different vibe. Hey, Joe, what about this, this new taunting rule and the point of emphasis?

And we see it. It seems crazy if they're going to really enforce it like they are. worried are you and how much i guess has your team like talked about are they trying to address it in team meetings when the refs come into practice are they really trying to to drive it home that you can't do this uh coach t yeah he does a good job but he just says that he wants us to make sure that when we address it's more towards your team you know i'm saying making sure that when you do show your how hype you are just do it towards your team. You know what I'm saying? Making sure that when you do show how hype you are, just do it with your team, celebrating with your team, trying to keep that emotion addressed towards your team.

Because when you start putting it towards, when you start looking down on the other team, that's when they're ready to start throwing the flags in. It is what it is. Coach T, that's why I love Coach T. He's trying to coach. He's like this, I don't like it. I don't agree with it.

But it is what it is. So you're not going to get us flagged. Joe, don't you think with how long you've been in the nfl now congrats by the way fucking impossible to have a great career as long as you have let alone at corner and at the level you've played and by the way i hope you get the bag yet again but like isn't it fascinating that couldn't they have just told the coaches to tell the players this? Putting it in the refs' hands, I think, is just such a problem. Like, the pass interference rule, which affects you a lot,

whenever we were able to review that for one season, even though they completely fucked it up, like, I think that is something that we should be trying to help these refs as opposed to put them in more situations to fuck over the game. I might be wrong there, but I think, like, Coach Tomlin addressing it to the team is a lot better than the refs being allowed to kind of address it. You know, Joe? Yeah, no, I feel you 1,000%. I think there's a lot of a gray area when you put it in the referee's hands. And then I think the coaches being able to address it to you, letting you know that in a in practice, just being able to, you know what I'm saying? Uh, coach it up,

coach up in those situations. So I think that, uh, the rest having it in their hands is a little gray, but you know, it is what it is. Let's just try to address, keep that energy with your team. How do you not get a pass interference every play? Oh, you can't, you literally, you gotta make sure that you, you gotta, you can't. Literally, you got to make sure that you got to start reading routes. You got to start reading routes, playing off of them, marrying their footsteps. You know what I'm saying?

Because I used to tell them, when I first came in the league, they were teaching us when the receivers lean on them, grab low. You get a low tug. You know what I'm saying? They don't call it a low tug. Now, like, if you would low tug it's you can hit with so much laundry So now I'm like you just literally have to play footwork and out and the coaches They understand this the lockdown corner where you could just jam them off with the line pressing them everywhere I mean, that's still that's still the goods

I respect Jalen all the dudes Jerry Alexander the dudes that are following best is still a real thing, but it's It's barely impossible now to be able to make sure nobody catches the ball for the whole game. Now, you said you got to really study route combinations. And I'm sure you're studying splits and all these things are giving you an idea of what's to come. I guess if you – how has that changed over your time in the league? When you came in the league, did you know that? Were you already aware of, hey, this is – they got this this formation they only can run two or three routes like they only have certain things or is that something you've learned over your time oh man i learned that over my time

i was i was out there my rookie year i was trying to study film i didn't know really what i was watching i was just watching a bunch of plays watching okay i'm watching tape but i was working on my athletic ability i was out there one-on-ones. I was figuring out what our defensive call was, had a million things going through my head, and then I was like, he's not going to catch the ball, you know, in man. So I wasn't worried about splits too much, but just playing off natural ability. Now it's moving so much slower, and the man coverage is splits,

and looking at what they're coming out in and just knowing the probabilities. It's just completely different we were talking earlier about how uh like even a punting position me watching adam vinatieri practice with like some intentionality kind of changed the way that i like i wish i would have known how to practice earlier in my career in all my sports as opposed to just football aj talked about how in college fickle helped him work on some things how are you are you a practice every rep matters guy or do you let's get this sunday at this point in your career how do you view your

day-to-day job i do a little bit of both coach does a good job with just the the vet days you know what i'm saying when i'm out there i'm out there you know what I'm saying? When I'm out there, I'm out there, you know what I'm saying? But getting the day off here and there, you know what I'm saying, just the rest of the body. But I'm really big in on, you know, like Coach said, I love to make practice perfect. I love to make sure all of the checks. I love to know my shit.

I love to make sure people know around me that I know what's going on. So if you're in the game with me, I think one person, like I like to shout out Minka, this Patrick, he's going to get the bag next year, obviously. Baller. This dude, he reminds me of just the young me, wanting to be the best he can be. Doesn't really say too much of nothing, and

just is football. You know what I'm saying? And just a baller. So, seeing dudes like that, they keep me young. They keep me wanting to continue to do it the way I'm doing it. And I think that's why I'm able to play so long. You get the young dudes that come in, and you can't ever feel complacent. You can't ever get complacent. Somebody's coming in the next year to take my spot for way less money.

You know what I'm saying? The Steelers, they're working a business. If I wasn't making plays, I wouldn't still be here. Diggs, what do you got? Hey, Joe, I need to know how sevens aren't looking. Oh, it's looking sweet. It's looking sweet. I'm really happy for him, man.

I mean, I think that he took a lot of rest. Like, just with his recovery, he took a lot of throws during last offseason. And I think this offseason, he took a lot of time off just to get rest on his arm. So his arm looks definitely fresh. I don't know how many more years going through forward but right now my man ben looks good hey ty schmidt i'm sorry go ahead aj what's up ty you got it joe we talked to a lot of guys last year about how different things were with the covid year with no one being in the crowd like was there anything you gained from that like could you hear offenses a little bit easier uh and

like did was it easier maybe than like a typical year in the league uh or or not and are you ready for the fans to be back i'm a thousand percent ready for the fans to be back i think the one thing it was it was a lot easier for defensive communication on the way games you know we i mean on home games when our crowd would be going crazy when the offense was out there we couldn't really hear and make communications with defensive players. I think that was one of the only things. But I much rather the fans, the energy, the pre-warm-ups, just having the people out there. I mean, it's during the preseason.

It's just it reminded me just having it during the Hall of Fame game, just being out there, that how much fans really bring to the game. You know, just having them out there, you feel like you're performing. Like, it is what it is. Like, obviously, when they weren't there, it's a business. You're going to make sure your tape matters. You're performing because this is what you do. It's your job.

You're a professional. But that extra that you get when everybody's out there, they're screaming, they're going crazy, and, like, that blood flow, I mean, you can't. You can't buy that. I think the vets suffered more than the young guys, obviously, because when you're young, you still have that, you know, youthful energy. Like, oh, I'm in the NFL, suffered more than the young guys obviously because when you're young you still have that you know youthful Energy like I'm in the NFL in the NFL the vets for like I'm about to run my face

I need a little bit of energy from the crowd. It's nice. It's amazing. You guys got through there Is there any wide receivers that don't get talked about for being as good as they are? Obviously, there's the guys that we all talk about. But is there anybody that you've gone against? You're like, you know what, there's not a lot of conversation about dude, but dude is an absolute baller. I'd say probably, well, maybe I think Stephon Diggs probably gets his love. Keenan Allen, I think he needs to get more love as far as just up the top,

one of the best receivers. Stephon Diggs, Keenan Allen, who who else we got what makes a guy hard is it the routes is it the size the speed what is it it's it's a little bit of everything it's everything it's everything they can do because you know when i'm i'm outside so i'm covering those x's and if they like like julio jones has been one of the best for a long time. They are big, strong, fast, can run good routes, physical at the catch point. And when we say – it sounds cliche, but they can really do all of that stuff. I mean – And you're going to get gone out there sometime, huh?

Yeah. I mean – I'm looking back like, where's Minka? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Do you ever get – do you ever watch guys on TV when they're playing and you see them get beat deep and you watch them all grab the old hammy and pull that old patented move? Like, ah, man, here we go. It caught me.

It grabbed on me again. Yes. Oh, no, that's for sure. I've seen it. I'm not pulling that because I already know I don't want anybody to ever say that about me. If I get beat, I can beat as a man. I like it. I like it.

Do you have a favorite interception out of all of them? Is there one that you really love? Oh my gosh. I think my Tom Brady one that I had with the Steelers probably 2018. That was one of them. That was my favorite one. Did you get him to sign it? No. Back that man like that?

Hey, that's like, I got a chance to watch Peyton operate for a couple years, you know? And I watched somebody walk up to him with a football that they picked off from him in that game and asked him to sign it. And I was like, how is this going to go? I imagine Peyton was like, hey, why don't you get the fuck out of my face? What did he do?

I think he signed it. I think he was very nice because it was one of those moments where it was kind of awkward. There's a camera. He's a bad guy if he signed it. I think he was very nice because it was one of those moments where it was kind of awkward. There's a camera. He's a bad guy if he doesn't. I think it was a full scene. It was a full scene out there. Why are those quarterbacks better? Why are the greats

great? A quarterback position in your eyes. Ben, obviously, is going to be a Hall of Famer, but what separates a quarterback that can really do it, you think, pre-snap, post-snap, and what separates, what is like, what the young quarterbacks, what's the graduation, you think, trait that they kind of get as they grow older? I think the one thing is understanding defenses and definitely being able to throw people

open. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the one part that all great quarterbacks do. It's a lot of good defenses it's a lot of people that are playing in like tight windows but the great ones great great great passes are always going to be great coverage so them being able to put balls and be able to have you know i'm saying the the confidence in their receivers to be able either he's going to catch this ball or it's going to be out of bounds being able to take those chances

knowing matchups sometimes if you are looking out there in the game i'm like dude ben is the dude's like all right he's on him i'm gonna go there you know i'm saying there's situations that i'm just telling sometimes it's that easy that just dudes are just thinking uh the game is so big there's so much going on the great ones are like this all right matchups ball placement i'm like that is just this is kind of simple, but if a quarterback has so much going through their head, they get, get to thinking about too much. Hey, last thing here for me, but when you see these quarterbacks and they come in and like Pat said, like you described, well, like what the great ones do. Can you see that early on from day one? Or are there people that early on, like, oh, this guy's trash. And then he becomes an all pro

and is a stud. Like, do you see big jumps, or can you usually tell right away? Usually you can tell pretty quick, you know, with the quarterback. I mean, you're not going to – you've been playing this position your entire life. Once you get there, once you get to the league, I mean, it's kind of you kind of got it or you don't. Are you eyes on quarterback when you play? What'd you say? Are you eyes on quarterback or is that just zone guys?

I mean, depending on the coverage, depending on the coverage, I'm mostly all the time. When I'm off, I always have eyes on the quarterback for the first three. Even on man's three-step, for the first three, I'm always quarterback on man or zone. Okay. Hey, Joe, thank you for your time here, man. You've been awesome.

Sorry about that, AJ. Go ahead. Hey, Joe, so, yeah, we're going to let you roll here, but we definitely want to thank you guys. Thank you for your time, man. We appreciate it, and you're going to have a great year. Hopefully you get a big old deal, get some big-time money here coming up shortly. That's right, man.

You're still doing it 12 years in. Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Hayden. Yeah! Yeah! This desk is just giving me nightmares. Your face is eating those glasses. I know.

They feel very tight, obviously. Can you get them for wider heads and actually big heads? I know you've got a tall head, not as wide as mine. Those ones don't fit me either, pal. To be honest, I don't know where my glasses went that did fit. I've been looking for them for two, three months on that table. I have no idea where they're at.

Oh, okay. Hey, what do you think General Bob wants us to get into with him? Why are you bringing more shit into my area? Keep the sharing. Oh, I was just going to throw it a little bit. Oh, yeah. All right. Hey, you can do whatever you want over there, pal.

You're doing a great job. You're supposed to bop it, though, I think, right? You're going to bop. Oh, for Aussie Rules Football? Yeah, it's a bop. It's a bop. Hey, maybe a quick pivot, but has Roman reached out to you at all and said great job on that herpes commercial that you guys filmed I think every time I'm sitting on waiting to come on the show that that commercial runs and you talk

about just everything you do I just really enjoy how you you go knock out herpes you know coming too fast and you have like you have things for everything you have answers for everything it seems like yeah don't come too quick it's not me that has all the answers. It's Roman. And by the way, that thing was supposed to be one of those pre-roll commercials on YouTube. So that was going to be like the first time we were like forced onto people. You know, normally the show is like, hey, you find us, you get here. Congratulations, right? Like that was going to be the first one where I'm kind of like SmackDown. I'm kind of forced on people, I guess.

I'm not somebody that's good being forced on people SmackDown was not great early it's an okay college game that one they like tasked us with making this thing and I'm like absolutely let's do it we're real excited filmed it had Ben Stonium cut it together voiceover piece it together

we're still the only motherfuckers that play it nobody else plays it anymore I mean I think it's amazing that should run on like you know should It should run on NBC when they're Olympic coverage. They should run that Roman ad. So many people would sign up. That was the purpose of the ad. I won't let you know that did come from the mind of McAfee. Okay?

So I was very proud of that. I thought I was going to win a fucking advertising award. That's literally what I thought was going to happen. It only runs on our thing. So kind of a waste, but Roman's not. Roman will fucking make you better. Yeah, Roman will make you better. And hey, Pat, so speaking of someone that definitely is not busting too early,

we have a guy next that has figured it out. Oh, marathon sessions. Ladies and gentlemen, we are not going to make him wait any longer Please put your hands together For General Bob Carpenter Here we go The boys are saluting you Bob In case you haven't seen him

Thank you Bob Thank you General I appreciate that Bob what's happening man I see you at the sweet tank top. You look a little different than Pat looks in the tank top. How's it going, man? What's on your mind?

Well, I wanted to put the tank top on in honor of solidarity for Pat. I mean, you know, I know he's not in Indy. He's not in the Midwest. He's gallivanting around Southwest getting into all kinds of trouble out there. And, you know, I wanted to make sure that I felt like I was doing him justice by coming on after getting a chance to hang out at your place and learning about all the crazy things that he's into. You guys are having this awesome conversation about Roman and really stamina and everything. Here's one thing you didn't know, Pat.

AJ gave me one of his officially endorsed nightstand tripods for my birthday. It's great. You can pop that thing up. You can take your Roman to the next level. You set that right there and you can just lock in on it all evening. You can really take it to the tape the next day and figure out, hey, this was working.

This wasn't. That's the secret to having four kids. AJ did it. He shared with me we got four kids as well because you's the secret to having four kids. I mean, AJ did it. He shared with me. We got four kids as well because you're always going to be getting better. I haven't come yet. So that's why I haven't had a kid. We'll watch the tape, but it's just never ending.

You know, it's just never ending. My wife's waiting for one day. She's obviously spectacular, but we're still both virgins. So maybe one day we She's obviously spectacular, but we're still both virgins. So maybe one day we'll get into it. We'll dive into the Ohio pool of water where it's just,

let's create as many kids as possible. And that's what you guys have done, and I respect and appreciate the hell out of that. I love it, Pat. I mean, most people,

you know, if they're religious and you have your different traditions and everything else and you want to save yourself for marriage, I appreciate that. Very few people that I talk to, though, save themselves during marriage.

That is definitely a first for me. So I'm going to have to kind of pick your brain on that and maybe see where we're going with that because I think it might be revolutionary. You know where we're going? Fucking heaven, pal. God, man. Hell yeah.

I'll save it. Hey, I hate to pivot off of this, Bob, butinn ewers he's on campus in ohio state the kid took the internet by storm with his sweet bleached mullet have you seen him what's he looked like and what do you think their plan is for him this year at ohio state so i have not seen him at practice well i guess he was there the one day it was pouring down rain i want you to imagine this you know he's from south lake te Texas. It's like 100 degrees there. It's sunny all the time. The first day he gets here, AJ, I think was last, maybe Wednesday, whatever.

The day we had that damn monsoon. And it's just pouring down rain. It's like 65 degrees. I think, like, man, this guy probably wants to get back on his truck and get the heck out of here. Like, what did I sign up for? But he looks terrific. That mullet's flowing. It's looking golden.

You know, he obviously looks like a high school kid because that's what he is. But, I mean, I think this is the new era, man. I mean, people are able to profit off their name, image, and likeness, get to school a little early, pay for your school. You can learn a little football, get paid to do it. Like, I don't see any losers. General Bob, the only loser that you have led an army into was the Big Ten commissioner, right? I mean, he didn't want to play football.

And I know in the presidential campaign, there was one particular person that said, I brought back football in the Big Ten. And we all quickly were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. General Bob Carpenter brought back Big Ten football. And you were really boots on the ground. You have a morning show there in Columbus, a lot of college football conversation. We appreciate everything you've done. But the college football landscape is about to change.

I guess there's a Pac-12, Big Ten, an SEC press conference coming up, I think. And we talked to Herbstreet about the realignment. He was talking about how there's probably going to be four players in this thing. The playoffs are going to go. What are your thoughts as a guy who is fully invested in college football on what the future of college football looks like right now? Well, I think it's kind of trending towards NFL light. It depends on how greedy some of these schools want to be.

If you're an elite program, let's say for argument's sake, maybe there's between 18 and 30, and they want to form their own league. Say, hey, we're going to do the NFL deal right now. We're going to have our own TV rights agreement. We're going to skim everything off the top and we'll just keep like six billion dollars for ourselves and divide it amongst our teams. They could do that. I think this alliance that you're kind of alluding to between the Pac-12, Big Ten and I think ACC, they kind of want to slow that down and keep it kind of where it is

and look at expansion for the playoffs and everything and make sure they're doing it the right way. But, you know, I hear this like the Alliance. I mean, I thought a conference was an alliance. And you have that, and they're saying this. And meanwhile, you know, Bob Bowlesby and Greg Sankey are working together trying to bring football back. All the while, Greg Sankey's, like, got the poison pill in there

to be able to just pull over Texas and OU. So, you know, he's just, like, cuckold him right out from under him. So I guess I'm looking at this. I don't know if you're a big Office fan. You know, this is kind of like the Office alliances I feel like we've got going on with, like, Jim and Dwight and, you know, Kevin and everything else that's going on. I don't really know how it makes any sense. I thought a conference was an alliance. Maybe this

is more like a pack, you know, American Pie. Yeah, like American Pie Pactic. We're going to go on senior trip and lose our Virginia together. You know, you can, AJ, show Pat how that's done. And maybe that's kind of the alliance, the pack that they're trying to form. I don't know. Okay, Bob, you played for the Detroit Lions for a little bit, I know. Motor City, Dan Campbell is the head coach. He's made a lot of headlines. Another head coach that makes some headlines, Nick Sirianni in Philly. Sometimes

we play a lot of clips from both of those guys. Out of those two guys, who do you think has success first? Or do you think both of them could be successful? Do you think both of them may stink? What do you think the outlook is for both of those guys? Here's the thing. Dan Campbell plays the meathead, and he is a meathead, like, deep down.

But he's also a smart meathead. Like, he does the meathead thing so that people just kind of disregard him and think that he's an idiot. And then that's a great way to avoid tough questions because they're asking him about biting kneecaps and all that other nonsense. He relates to his players really well. He talks about toughness and they're doing up-downs. But from everything

I've heard out of Detroit, all those guys really love him there. They call him a breath of fresh air. You would love him. The dude loves to party. He is kind of circa Mike Vrabel. They're very similar. Really cerebral guys. Very intelligent. But they love to party.

I'd never played with him, but he lived in Dallas in the offseason because that's where he came from before he went to Detroit as a player. I mean, he'd be out there, you know, chugging Jack, ripping heaters. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Great story. And so, Pat, you've never had sex, so you don't have kids yet. Dan Campbell, we went to this concert this like this exact straight that we went to this concert

out in like east texas probably an hour and a half away from dallas on a saturday night you know we're young courtney and i didn't have any kids we both go it's a bunch of guys i think maybe one other wife went and we go see this like kind of you know up and coming country band couldn't even remember who it was but it's in the middle of nowhere imagine a city like in between indianapolis and columbus excluding dayton and that's basically where this was so we're getting ready to roll up we got a bus it's like 12 o'clock hey dan we're getting out of here it's saturday night tomorrow's mother's day dan's got two kids his lovely wife holly back at home and he's like i'm gonna stay here with the band and i'm like what the heck like dude you're an hour and a half from dallas there's no uber that's even coming out here this is like

2007 we try to beat on him like dude whitton's there with us he's like listen man come on being the good friend you'll thank me for this tomorrow no no i'm I'm good. Like rips a pole of Jack. I I'll see you guys later. And my man stayed there and somehow he's still married. His wife didn't leave him after that, which must be a testament to how smooth the talker he is. Cause when you're, you're rolling in the next day at noon, I was like a 32 year old man with a couple of kids on mother's day. And she didn't know you were going to be gone all night. My gosh, dude, I don't know what type of game you have or what you might be able to say to get you out of that one. I'll tell you what, man.

What did he say to his wife, Ty? I drank too much fucking Jack, man. What do you want me to do? I had one too many Marlboro Reds, man. You've been there. Hey, the band was crushing, wasn't it, Coach? Oh, it was good. Those guys know how to rip heaters, man.

Rip heaters and drink Jack. That's what I love to do, man. That's a pretty good Dan Campbell, I'll admit. He's kind of like Circa the Dude meets, I don't know, some sort of meathead football weightlifter because he's got a very Big Lebowski-ish look. It's a fantastic thing that he's got going. And, yeah, I mean, he's the type of dude, if you've ever met,

that would have a chew and a cigarette at the same time. Hell, yeah. Yes! I love this guy. That's kind of like I call that the boiler maker of nicotine. You know, you're going to drop a shot in a beer. Douche, douche. You're going to eat it and a dip at the same time. You're going to drop a shot in the beer.

Doosh, doosh. You're going to eat it in the dip at the same time. So you really don't know which band that was, though? Dude, I couldn't tell you. I mean, I was half in the bag anyway. We had a bus taking us back. We didn't have any kids. I'm sleeping in. Eli Young or something.

Dude, it was like a smaller Texas deal, and he was – It was a great crew, man. Donnie Nelson, the GM for the Mavs, was there with us. We had probably 10 people, man. It was a good time. Bob, you're the most interesting human I've ever met, I think. I mean, just a week ago or two weeks ago, you were in a full Tarzan costume, balls

out and everything for a circus to raise money for the Ohio State, I think, Children's Hospital. You had military-grade boots on. You were cutting promos all night. You are a fantastic human being. Has anybody ever approached you for a reality show, anything like that? I assume that that has to happen on a regular basis.

Listen, man, I don't know if I can handle a reality show. I don't know if my wife can handle me being on a reality show. Joey Galloway used to work out with AJ and I him and Braves would come back and Joey Joey always said I should be a pro wrestler and like Laranitis would back that up but I mean Pat you do that I can't imagine traveling around doing that

every single week my body feels bad enough as it is right now after just playing football you know it's beaten to a pulp. But maybe some reality TV. I mean, I don't know. I could probably handle some of that. God, you're the best.

Go ahead, AJ. So Bob played for the Patriots. Huge Patriots fan here. Connor has a question for you, Bob. Bob, yeah, you played for the Patriots. I knew that. Did you ever have any runs in with Bill Belichick? Did you guys have any back and forth MCDC-esque?

Or no, was it strictly business over there? I don't even know what that last thing meant. MCDC-esque? Bill ripping SIGs, you ripping SIGs, you guys just talking, shooting the shit. Listen, the best part about Bill Belichick is he's

the same guy you see on television in the meetings. I almost started laughing on our Monday morning rip session. I mean, Pat and AJ know what that is. You come in there, the coaches have their film.

What the hell are we doing, Tom? Like he just starts yelling. We talked about this all week and we sucked it off right here in front of everybody. I mean, it's, it's amazing.

Like I'm almost dying. It's so, it was comical because it's so, so satirical that you think it couldn't be real. But I enjoyed it up there. He's a little bit different. He goes about things a different way. My dad played up with the Giants when he was up there,

so I kind of knew what I was getting into. I think Bill told me, he said, you're not going to be a smart-ass like Frabel, are you? Just knowing a bunch of guys, that's just kind of how it goes but bill uh he's one of the best i'm telling you this if you're a pats fan they'll be better this year like they're gonna they're gonna be a 10 win team or more and they'll challenge buffalo because bill belichick is too smart to have them playing poorly again hey speaking of another famous bill you played for bill parcells you were drafted by bill parcells what was he like is he

i know your dad played for him as well so you knew a little bit going into it but was it what you expected yeah you know it's amazing is Bill Belichick's always the schematic guy you know he's not great on the maybe the personal relationships as you can imagine he's not like the most touchy-feely warm guy in the world uh but when you you think about Parcells everybody looks at him as like this you know evil guy tough it's hard to handle. He is one of the greatest guys dealing with relationships and being able to motivate players that you're ever going to find.

Two quick stories on it. The late great Terry Glenn, Ohio State, Blitnikoff winner. He was in his 12th year in Dallas when I'm down there. We're playing in the playoffs. He comes in and Terry would get there. You all know we're supposed to be

there 90 minutes before the game or two hours or whatever it is. Terry would show up like 45 minutes before the game. I'm not kidding you. In street clothes. Get taped up, throw his stuff on and just walk out there. In his locker, Bill had gotten a thing of Buckeye leaves and puts it on

there as AJ's lost interest already. He puts this thing on there, and he's like, hey. And there's a little notepad in his locker that says, earn these tonight. So Terry, being Terry, doesn't care about getting fined, peels those Buckeye leaves off, like slaps them on the back of his helmet, goes out and has a great game. You know, and it's like that's the kind of stuff he does. And I think that was like the last game.

And then my rookie year of playoffs for playing Seattle, it's the infamous of stuff he does and I think that was like the last game and then my rookie year of playoffs for playing Seattle it's the infamous like Romo snap game and we're sitting there in the tunnel and I'm right beside him getting ready to run out and this is kind of how Bill he knew everybody he'd find out what exactly made you tick and he looks over at me he's like you ready to go and I'm like yeah, yeah, man, I'm ready to go. Playoffs are ready as I'll ever be. And just stares back at me. Your dad used to play big in games like this. And I kind of look away, and I look back, and he had just walked off.

And I'm like, okay, thanks for giving me that to chew on here for the next, like, 60 minutes. You know? But he knew, like, he knew that that would get me juiced up and get me going, like, inside. So that's the type of stuff that he would find ways for every guy to just needle you just enough to bring you where you could really play your best. What an incredible motivator. When were you drafted? Where were you drafted at?

What was the number? 2006, I think pick 18. I want to say that wasn't bad. So AJ won five overall. You won 18 and now Schlegel's being tasked with building the Jacksonville Jaguars down there. Are you guys the most legendary linebacker core

in the history of college football? You know, famous, maybe infamous. I think we did actually get on the cover of the USA Today sports section. So I got that. My mom's got frames hanging in her house. But we had a good crew, man. AJ and I are probably the two tamest, too.

I mean, Schlegs, he's truly a wild man. What the heck is going on back there? My gosh. Can we get this guy together? He could destroy your studio. I mean, he's got a strong dude back there. He's a professional. I can't help with this shoddy craftsmanship back here. There you go, Bob. Shoddy craftsmanship.

This is what we wanted. We wanted to see this. Hey, they wanted me to grab this. I didn't know it was tucked behind some, like, 300 things. But here you go, Bob. This is for you. That was for you. Oh, way to go.

Big payoff. There you go Bob this is for you that was for you oh way to go big payoff slug's is the big meatball dude you can put him on like a flat bottom boat drop him in the middle of the amazon like have him go hunt alligators and wild boar and boa constrictors and everything I mean he's like the modern day kind of John Rambo, just not as lean and with, like, a big box, meaty jaw, and a super hairy back. Can he fix a fucking framed jersey? Somehow it didn't break. This is unbelievable, AJ. You wanted more of you, huh?

Take down the jersey so we can see you taking a shit? Hey, for the record, Connor was getting my attention off the camera. He pointed. He kept pointing. He said, cereal box, cereal box. And I'm like, all right, well, I assume getting my attention off the camera. He pointed. He kept pointing. He said, cereal box, cereal box. And I'm like, all right, well, I assume it's right here. Nope. It's tucked behind 400 other random pieces of clutter that you have here.

So, therefore, something on my shoulder might have popped your jersey or whatever. Not true. So, you know what? This is why I got confused, Pat. Is cereal box, I've heard it overspoken before. I kind of was able to eavesdrop on him and Laura. That's their actual safe word for the autoerotic asphyxiation stuff. He got really flustered and got confused.

I knew it was going to be safe. He's going too tight right there, trying to teeter on pleasure and pain. It's a tough deal. So he heard Connor say that and just panicked. Oh, my God. You're right. I heard my safe word, and I just panicked. Oh, my God. You're right. I heard my safe word, and I just freaked out. Bob, as you started that, I knew it was going somewhere like that.

I really did. I had a good feeling of it. But, hey, real quick, Diggs, huge Steelers fan. He said he has a question for you right now. I do. We were just talking about Jacksonville. Are you shocked, like absolutely floored and shocked that Tim Tebow didn't make that football team?

We are. No, because here's the thing. Urban Meyer's getting paid a hell of a lot of money to be a football coach. And guys know the room doesn't lie. You can't lie to the room. And everybody knows Tim's a good athlete. He's strong. He can move a little well.

But he's doing something. It would be like asking Pat to come back and play tight end. That's nothing. Quarterbacking is like a specialist position. You're not out there hitting people and doing any of that stuff. It's so much different than what it would be normally. I know, Pat, you used to probably work in there in the special team meeting room, get your kick slides, work in that, make sure you get a good release.

So you got it down. And I think that they knew it. He's 35 years old. At the end of the day, he's 35. That's a great kick slide too, sir. You're looking good. He's 35. Hell yeah.

And you can't run anymore, man. You can't run. You get tired. You get beaten down. I mean, there's days I wake up in the morning and feel like I played a game. And, you know, the most exercise I had was walking up the stairs well I tell you what Bob I don't think Pat has anything more for he's already out of breath from uh showing off his kick slide but Bob we appreciate it man thank you so much for coming on thanks for wearing a tank top I'm sorry that there was a bunch of uh

random people trying to distract you during this I was trying to stay dialed in with you but these guys were trying to distract me Pat's got something was trying to stay dialed in with you, but these guys were trying to distract me. Pat's got something quick. Thank you for mentioning the word cuck, autoerotic asphyxiation, and many other things to the show. I really appreciate when you Ohio guys show up. Well, I appreciate that. And one other thing, Pat, I heard you

said you don't like to force yourself on people, which I think that's really good. I mean, the Bill Cosby method is not the way for you, and you're keeping it between the lines, man. That's well done. That's the show. Thanks, Bob. Bob the Bigger, Bob the Carpenter.

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It's somebody that hosts a show on a daily basis. There's no sexism, racism, misogyny, nothing on that desk, by the way. That's how we like to keep it around here. Hell yeah. With me, same thing with me. What do you mean? What are you trying to say? No, I don't know about your desk. I'm just talking about my fucking desk, all right?

I don't want to speak for other people, but, you know, I'm just talking about my fucking desk I don't want to speak for other people but you know I'm just talking about for me personally as a show host on a daily basis there ain't none of that on my shit nope I agree I'm with you we're fighting the good fight that's why you lashed out at Conor earlier right

well I lashed out at Conor just strictly because what he represents is what people are saying on the internet this is an internet show. It's not his fault. I just – it was something I had to get in there. Like his look? The look of Connor with his sweet little faded mullet or just what he is, like his essence? His mullet's unbelievable.

It's just where he's from. It gets a bad rap. And I'm just saying if Connor likes Mac Jones more than Cam Newton, I'm just telling you what everybody else from New England has been hearing whenever they say something similar to that from everybody else. That's all. I'm just trying to keep people informed on why and what. Cam's playing great football. Let's not talk about that, though.

Let's talk about a guy hiring himself and then firing himself. Easy. That's all. Yeah, you're speaking of Mike Richards, who we teased before we went to break. Scumbag. So Mike Richards, he was a longtime producer for Jeopardy. He got named the host, and before, like a couple days after he is named the full-time host, he retires or resigns, correct?

So he's not the producer even anymore. So he went from, hey, I got this cushy gig. Oh, cool, I'm the next Alex Trebek. Oh, wait, I don't have a job? Yep. That's where we are right now? Quick question. When you're the guy in charge of firing people at the hosting position,

and you're also the host and you quit, are you quitting before you can fire yourself? Genius. Bill O'Brien. Yeah. It's like, you didn't get fired. I quit.

I don't fire you. Me. Yeah. I guess that's how, you know, if someone's breaking up, like you can't dump me, I'm going to dump you.

Like when you see, if a guy sees the girl's about to break up with him, no, hey, I hate you. We're done. And then he walks off to try to protect his feelings. Yeah, but he'd be breaking up with himself in this particular case, right? Yeah. I guess.

I don't know exactly even what happened. They went back and found things that he had said and done that they disagree with? He's just not a good guy. Okay, AJ? He deserves to quit himself. Okay, so how old is this stuff, though, that came out? Could be days, could be years. I'm not positive.

But a lot of it's like 10 years old. How was he the producer of Jeopardy when this stuff was out there, though? That's because nobody looks behind the camera at any of these people. Good point. So it just takes somebody with a gripe to actually dig in and look and go find different stuff on whoever, if someone does have some stuff? He got hired over a lot of people. Didn't they do that during the hiring process?

You usually do that. You create a lot of enemies. AJ, you create a lot of enemies whenever that happens. Hey, but Pat, listen. I know during the hiring process, that's when I know like in regular business, before you even bring someone in for an interview, they've already looked at all their social media, their Facebook, and say like, oh, this guy has been saying some stupid stuff for the last five years.

They don't even get an interview. Throughout the hiring process, how did they not find this before they named him full-time host? You're saying how did the Jeopardy people that hired this guy? The Jeopardy people, I assume, and this is no shot at Jeopardy. It's been around forever. Let's assume they're 100 to 150 years old, right? I don't know if that's their first thing.

If Mike Richards has the ability to cut cameras and put a Jeopardy! show together well, and Alex Trebek likes him, which is when he got hired as a... Alex Trebek probably didn't know this about him, by the way, either. We can't ask him, obviously. The rest of the piece is a legend. But I don't think they look into it because the Jeopardy! people assume that the world wouldn't look into it because he's behind the camera. Who cares?

He's not taking somebody who has fans, position, or job. And once you do that, then you've got a lot of people looking for stuff. That's happened to me a couple times here. People have gone searching. It's like, fucking go for it, Kyle. Stand by everything. Yeah, it happens to you. It happens to players that get drafted now.

As soon as they get drafted, immediately people, all they do is search certain words in that person's Twitter or if someone gets hired in a prominent position like this, all they do, there's just a certain group of people who want to get people canceled. Aren't there companies now or aren't there people that they will hire that will go back and scrub all their social media? I know at least I've heard people talk about that for years.

Someone should go through all of it. Well, I don't think for this in particular. I believe it was on a podcast. Was it repeatedly or was it just like a one-time thing? No, well, I mean. I think it was his podcast. It wasn't his. He said he deleted it.

Yeah, it was his podcast. I guess he was the executive producer at Price is Right beforehand, and it was supposed to be like a look behind that show a little bit. But, yeah, I think it was like a repeated. He took down a couple episodes, obviously. But yeah, I mean, someone did a deep dive on him. Shane Gillis. Remember Shane Gillis?

He got fired by SNL. And then from his own podcast, I believe, whatever, he had said some remarks, some bad stuff, I guess. And they found it after they already said, hey, he's hired. It was like a couple days later, I feel like. Yeah, either that or he had done like one show or something and then got let go right after that, but to Pat's point, I mean, when he

was the executive producer at Jeopardy, Trebek was still around so no one gave a shit, you know? Hey, this opens the door for Aaron Rodgers, you know? He said to shine today on Shine Box. Really? Right here on Mad Dog Sports Radio.

How do you know? He said that if they can make it work around his schedule, he would love to be in there and do it. And I don't know if they would be able to do it. Hopefully they would somehow figure it out. But there's a lot of people. LeVar Burton wants that job. There's a lot of people that want that gig. And I think whenever there's a lot of people that with lavar burton wants that job there's a lot of people

that want that gig and i think whenever there's a lot of people that want that gig there's also a lot of potential uh family agents friends so whenever you just hire yourself everybody's like oh is that right that's a fascinating hire and then they kind of end and say thought you're an asshole assumed you're an asshole you hired yourself over all these other people. Seems like you are an asshole. That's what a lot of people say. So now the guest hosting thing kind of opens back up. Is Aaron going to get the gig? Does Aaron, you know?

Who's going to get it, AJ? That's where the conversation goes to. And he'll still be the executive producer of the show, right? I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's a clean break. You think they said, hey, you can't host it. We hate what you said. It was despicable. But you can still produce the show, right? I don't know. I don't think so. I think it's a clean break. You think they said, hey, you can't host it.

We hate what you said. It was despicable, but you can still produce the show. I mean, it's Hollywood, dude. If we ever, I mean. Yeah. I mean, we might want to check on that because I have a hard time believing

that they kept him around to be the producer if he resigned or retired. At least every article I've seen, it just says step down as host. Okay, maybe. They're like, hey, man, you're such a great producer.

We don't care about what you said on your podcast, but you definitely can't host. Is that what they told him? I don't know. That's the way I read it whenever I read it. I was like, he's stepping on his host. Nobody said he's leaving Jeopardy forever. USA Today headline says Mike Richards steps down as Jeopardy host. Will remain executive producer.

Wow. I mean, I feel like that's a bit interesting. Yeah, he can't be in front of the camera, but just keep him behind it. Just get back there. People forget about him. You're right. You know how quick the news cycle is.

Let's move on. But they did say we're going to have a rotating guest host thing now again, right? Yeah, and maybe you'll be able to get in there, especially with how good you dress and how you look at that table and everything like that. Maybe you get in there. That's not my thing.

I've never watched a full episode front to back ever. I don't really care about Jeopardy because it's just a sitting there and people trying to showboat and virtue signal. They sit down. You think you have a conversation with someone and they just keep blurting out answers. Well, what is Tucson? I'm like, okay. Then they come right back to the conversation and they think

they're awesome if they get it right. I'm like, all right, congrats, bud. You can memorize. People love trivia memorize people love trivia like people i do not love trivia so i don't think i'm open for that uh position i don't think they're really looking at me and i don't think i said you don't want to get your wife answers some questions in the middle of conversation she probably would i'm sure she would know a lot of them but she she probably yeah trust me she may not know what Jeopardy is. You didn't even watch when your friend was on? Yeah.

Aaron, I watched him host, yeah. You just said you never seen an episode. Front to back, yeah, I didn't see all 27 minutes. You read it. Nah. Yeah, Pat's watched a lot of movies front to back. Hey, is that why Aaron will go on every other show but this one? Because you didn't watch a full Jeopardy show?

So this is a good thing. I'm glad you got into this. So you mentioned something to me about these shows Aaron has done. I was unaware that he did any shows, but I guess he went on three different shows, right? He couldn't have made a bunch of news from it, though.

Yeah, but I'm getting killed on the internet. Getting killed. Every day. Figuratively, but okay. Continue. How are you getting killed? We have Aaron on Tuesdays because we have a barrage of hate i mean that's getting killed on the internet for weeks for weeks because what because people claim that that we are aaron ball washers right yeah we take where's cat yeah we take the balls

we put them into the thing and then we we clean them that's what everybody says we do yeah okay well i mean we do somewhat Like, we kind of do. Just maybe come on the show and, you know, help us out maybe? I do, yeah. You could definitely say that. Like, sure. I tell the truth. Yeah.

Tell the truth. Tell the truth. You do. I agree. And you ask them tough questions, too, that other people don't ask them. So who cares? Why do you care so much? Because I fucking was entrenched in battle. I know.

I mean, like, legit, my life is good. I have a good community on the internet that I enjoy. Then during the whole Aaron thing, I'm just waking up to, this guy is the fucking worst human on the internet. That's what I'm hearing from people. Because I was sticking up for the

diva millionaire whenever he wasn't even saying anything is all I'm saying. Like, can we get a – can we just get like a, hey, guys, can't wait for Tuesday? You know, like something like you talk to him every day. I mean, why can't – can we get fucking something? Thanks for your shins being made of titanium, Pat, because of the entire thing. You're just taking shots in my fucking shins. So Shine is on this channel, right? Channel 82?

Yes, I believe so. You guys mentioned Mad Dog Sports Radio. So what time was that interview on? Did it run yesterday? No, it was on this morning. This morning, okay. Just for future reference, this show is a YouTube show getting licensed by Sirius. Exactly. This is perfect then

because whenever Aaron Rodgers' Tuesdays start, this is what we lead off with you can ask him right off the bat hey man thanks for doing all those other shows so we can get a little piece of information on what we're going to bat for you for months yeah that'll be first question I think it'll be good hopefully he has one of those

long like thought out answers like he has for a lot of them well I just heard the question that's coming I assume he's going to prepare just like he did for Jeopardy I don't think there's I don't think Jeopardy is coming. I assume he's going to prepare just like he did for Jeopardy. I don't think Jeopardy is going to happen while he's still playing. I feel like when he's done, absolutely, they should hire him to be the full-time host. I think those are long days, right? Because they try to book two weeks of shows in one day.

So I think that's a long-ass day. That's a tasking day. People are saying, do it on his off day. It's like, well, his off day, if If you do recall when he was calling into the show We just got a glimpse of it one season He was getting massages, acupuncture That's the day to put your body back together Almost for an entire season

As opposed to standing and filming two weeks worth of I don't know I don't know if it's possible If anybody can do it he can figure it out But maybe we'll get to ask him I mean it would be tough to do it every Tuesday for the year If he was doing let's say he tried tried to do guest host Jeopardy, to do it maybe one or two Tuesdays during the year,

you could find a way and you'd be okay. It wouldn't wear you down. But if you had to, like he knew, all right, every off day, either I'm flying to L.A. or wherever, maybe they come near me and the studio and we film all this, that I think would wear on somebody. There's no way you would want to do that for 17 Tuesdays in a row. Especially at the quarterback position with the amount of – And onuesdays he's got a lot of stuff going on too

where they're putting in game plan he's talking to the coaches they're getting everything situated because wednesday morning that's when you start presenting the game plan to the rest of the offense if anybody can figure it out that motherfucker can figure it out but i think that is going to be a tall tall task as quarterback of an n team, let alone MVP of an NFL team. But I hope they give it to somebody who really wants it and deserves it, though. I'm a Jeopardy watcher, man. I watch full episodes because I enjoy trivia and a good ball washer friend. Of course.

Connor, what were you saying? I was saying during the bye week, right, they could film five a day for a week from Monday to Friday. Do you want to do that in your bye week? I'm not Aaron Rodgers, so I don't know what I want to do. Yeah, but maybe. If he really wanted to do it, he could absolutely do it. I just don't know if you want to do that, if you want to put yourself through that.

What do they film, every two weeks? Because they have to stay somewhat topical just in case a catastrophe happens. It's like 46 days of the year they record, and it's five episodes a day they record. It's a lot. It's a days of the year they record, and it's five episodes a day they record. It's a lot. So a week is worth it. One bi-week, if they were to do five days, 25 episodes, you know,

that'll roll through a lot. And then the summer, go ahead, do it. What's that, five weeks? Yeah. Jeopardy should just throw so much money at him that he can't say no. That's the only way to do it. Or let Gunther Koontz and Mark Murphy just keep doing their thing like they have been, at him that he can't say no that's the only way to do it or or like good to coops and mark murphy just keep doing their thing like they have been and then jeffrey's like all right they'll fuck it

up here yeah yeah they could i mean i guess they could film like seven episodes a day instead of five you know days days a little bit longer but you get rid of some of the days on the back end yeah i guess hey nick can you help me out here i'm to go out to the phone lines here. Can you dial up James in Seattle? This is something I think Gumpy may have some interest in. What's up, James? How you doing? Jimmy. Here we go. Shout out AJ. Shout out the boys.

Shout out James. What's up, man? What's going on with Tua and Flores? Yeah, so, you know, I want to talk about this whole situation. Tua's getting a lot on his rap sheet for injuries, not playing well, but I feel like not a lot of people are talking about how much of a confidence killer it's got to be to throw Tua in for part of the game. He struggled.

You take him out. You bench him for Fitzpatrick. You create all this media harassment around him, and nobody's throwing any flack at Brian Flores. They say he's a great coach, which overall I think is true, but I think that's going to be a big factor into his development, and he's got some weapons now. But I think why does no one get on Brian Flores for that decision?

That would be because the Dolphins were absolute dog shit before Brian Flores. Yeah. He has turned them around. I mean, it was a terrible decision I mean that that did crush his confidence it's true but do you think he's gained it back do you think do you think Tua has lost some trust in Flores and what happened last year you think he was up front with him because we know Fitzpatrick didn't know he was getting pulled so did Tua know I'm coming in it was the perfect setup last year we talked about it a million times for Tua to sit the whole year

behind Fitzpatrick there was no need to put him in it was a terrible move but before flores the dolphins were dog shit yeah i guess what do you think pat i i fitzmagic seemed heartbroken and anytime you get a sad puppy like fitzmagic i'm not i'm gonna side with that person the thing about flores saying we didn't want this to be let go before we told the team and fits magic basically telling the media like yeah it was harper i didn't even fucking know i thought we were really going there i and then the the firing of kyle van noy after paying him it just seems like there's a lot of things that are happening it's like if they win nobody's gonna talk about it because the dolphins have been an epic failure for so long

but if they lose here for the next couple years I mean we can look back on some decisions that were made by B-Flow here they're like this was alarming this was red flagging this was red flagging but then if they win doesn't matter if they don't it'll just be another turnover let's see how the Dolphins can stick again hey but sometimes we don't know exactly like what strings the head coach's point and what the front office and owner are making him do like there's certain things i think that are out of control of the the head coach yeah playing time you would think should be to the head coach but we don't know like there's owners or gms or people telling him like hey this is our plan we need you to do this i've heard a story of an offensive coordinator

and this is not on any team that i was on but a story of an offensive coordinator and this is not on any team that i was on but a story of an offensive coordinator getting a call from the owner the night before a game and saying hey insert name of first round draft pick here should be getting a little bit more of the ball shouldn't he and then that offense coordinator had to change the entire scheme for the game the next morning. You never know who or why is happening. There's always a chain of command. Obviously, there's always a chain of command. And you're right.

We have no idea who's doing what anywhere other than in New England. It's bill, bill, bill. Hell yeah. But this is even more so a point of it's hard to get a read on things when we don't know what's going on. Like these training camp reps when the internet is declaring a winner, and then everybody else is like, no, no, no, no, that's not the case. Just like when Urban Meyer was doing the goddamn thing, I think we have no idea what we're looking at a large portion of the time,

especially when it comes to the NFL. That was like Calvin Ridley yesterday. Like Calvin Ridley had a great route against Byron Jones, then half the people in the comments were like, oh, it's unbelievable, and then the other half, yeah, right here. Yeah, zoom in on Carlos Dunlap and DeJuan Landry. I don't know if you can see it. Down there at the bottom, they're like, nah, this ain't fucking Ridley's win, pal.

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