The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 505 - Coach Us Up Wednesday With Chuck Pagano, Spice Adams, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about all the drama surrounding Sunday Night Football between the Buccaneers and Chiefs in New England, all the different quotes allegedly coming from sources close to Bill, Tom, and Bob Kraft, why Connor is incredibly worried about the game, and all the other stories from around the NFL as we get ready for week 4. Joining Pat and AJ for Coach Us Up Wednesday is a man with 37 years of experience coaching, the former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano. Pat, Chuck, and AJ chat about Matt Nagy's situation in Chicago, what mindset Bill Belichick has going into Sunday, how a Coach handles a guy like Carson Wentz, who plays too reckless for his own good, and what type of things surprised him this weekend in the NFL (28:42-50:31). Later, joining the show is 9 year NFL veteran on the Defensive Line, Chicago Bear, San Francisco 49er and Penn State legend, Spice Adams. Pat and Spice chat about what's going on in Chicago, the Bears moving to Arlington Park, his thoughts on the taunting and roughing the passer penalties in the NFL, what he's been doing since retirement, and much much more (1:17:56-1:39:07). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello. It's Wednesday, September 29th. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes on this glorious day. Week four is on the horizon and we have incredible conversations with Chuck Pagano, Spice Adams, AJ Hawk is here, and all the boys have quite a day. And Adele's hello is probably going to be saying a few times during this show and shows going forward. In incredible anticipation of our Sunday Night Football matchup between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Sunday Night Football made an incredible video promoting it with that song on it. And once you start listening to the words, it is eerily similar to the situation between Tom and Bill. Now that there's a book coming out, we'll talk all about that and more. If you like the show, by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend.

If not, just act like it never happened. Let's go. Wednesday in the season, so there's obviously a lot of reaction to Aaron Rodgers Tuesday. We are very grateful and thankful for all of it. I can't wait to dive into the conversation that was had about the conversation that we had with Aaron Rodgers. It's obviously something that moves the needle because Aaron Rodgers, the reigning MVP, is one of the most interesting humans on earth. He's also one of the most skilled humans on earth, so anything he says or does is going to get reacted to, so now we should react to the reactions, you see.

AJ Hawk will join us in the next hour, as will Spice Adam. Whoa. Let's go. Yeah, he's within the next hour. AJ Hawk's in the next hour. Okay. And then obviously Chuck Pagano as well in the next hour, but Spice Adam. Whoa. Let's go. Yeah, he's within the next hour. AJ Hawk's in the next hour. Okay. And then obviously Chuck Pagano as well in the next hour. But Spice Adam's back on the show.

Cannot wait to chat with that man. Love that man. Thoroughly entertained by that man. Love watching him and Chuck and Cream Biggums and everybody succeed and go to the top via social media and being an independent workhorse hosting the great British Bake Off, I believe. Oh, love that show. Yeah, love that show, by the way. We'll watch late night.

That's a good fall asleep to show. Great fall asleep to show. Absolutely crushing. Can't wait to chat with him because the Chicago Bears are in a conversation because allegedly they're going to be moving to Arlington. And it's not just because this Bears team wants to move to arlington and this ownership wants to move to arlington it's because on george's george hallis george hallis yes on george hallis the man who is beloved by every chicago bear so his kin now yes run this thing right his family it down run this thing so what they came out and said is that hey this is is what George wanted to do.

This is what George wanted on his dying days. George Hallis said, we need to get the fuck out of Chicago, off the lake, and we need to get into Arlington Park. And that is now. It was his last vision. It was his last vision. Zito and the Bears fans were told today, which I'm sure. I'm sure that's 100% true.

Oh, yeah. Sure. 100% sure that that is what happened. I mean, we weren't there. We were not on George Hallis' dying days conversation. We were not there. So we're not 100% sure. We're just telling you, allegedly, he wanted them to move to Arlington long ago.

Now here we are years and years later, and they're finally making it happen. So congrats to the Bears on finally fulfilling George Hallis' final wish of moving to Arlington. Incredible. Thank you, George. Congratulations. Big time Bears.

Hey, what a way to word that. What a way to word that announcement. By the way, probably real. Oh, yeah. He drew the blueprints up on his deathbed, actually. But it is going to be better for Bears fans. Yeah. Right?

Believe it or not. Now, the city of Chicago, I got a chance to experience it a couple weeks ago with my wife. That was my first time I ever did Chicago. I had gone up to Chicago before for a birthday party for a teammate, and I just shut her down for about 24 hours straight. Saw a Cubs game at Wrigley. I saw that there was no Jumbotron, so we couldn't even see if the umpire. Now we do. That's awesome.

So I was, my Wrigley didn't even have that, and I went to a club. But I went and did Chicago with my wife and walked around and saw, beautiful city. I mean, it is incredible. Number two in the world, people forget. Did you see the Willis Tower? Oh, shut up, dude. I did walk past the formerly known Sears Tower there.

Nice. Still is. Well, I agree, but on the building, it does say Willis on it. I think they knocked that off. Every Chicago and every day. Anyway, Chicago's beautiful, but being able to move it to somewhere that the ownership can build around it, and there's probably going to be hotels and casinos like things you've seen in new england and dallas there's going to be an entire like

bears village i think in arlington park that was nowhere near available in the beautiful city of chicago so this seems it was gonna be like 2033 though or something like that right this is a long time away still well yeah so like basically like after seeing so far how how can we not want this right yes you have to have space if you own space like so far obviously i think it was like six billion or eight billion dollars eight billion dollars six billion dollars over budget yeah two was the original i don't know how they looked at the design of that thing and off we're off six billion dollars but hey money doesn't matter no no it doesn't matter at all hey now you do need money for other money to buy other money that is decentralized money but money right now is

potentially just who gains monopoly money i mean how we are not the show to get into this no nobody's thinking themselves you know what we want to hear these sports stooges talk about what's going on but honestly how is that even real how is this even real money there it can't be anyways if you see so far though that is six billion dollars over budget that uh stan kronke who's also being uh sued for multiple billions of dollars in st louis for the exit there yeah That stadium's gorgeous. It's beautiful. Everything's in 8K. It looks like it's an entire celebration.

All the suites. He talked about all the suites. Austin Eckler said it's amazing to see all the suites in there. And Matthew Stafford even talked about it, I think, on the Manning cast. He got to walk around it. It's like that's the right idea. Get suites where people have TVs where they can watch other games and have good internet.

And you can just charge group prices. It's not just how beautiful it looks on on the outside it's also like they're trying to save i think live events as well like how do we get people continuing to go to games with the incredible alternatives there are available for people now i understand that going out and doing something is awesome but i feel i feel like the nfl and sports in general have had a fear for a long time on how they're going to continue to keep people coming to games if their teams aren't necessarily great. So everybody knows that good teams and great fan bases are going to have their place going to be sold out. That's how it's going to be.

But there are some places that it very much depends on how good the team is on what the ticket is going to look like. For instance, Pittsburgh Pirates, who somehow won over. They won over 58 have they have no they won over 58 but there was there was nobody in the goddamn stands right so i think like a lot of people that are building these stadiums have to think about how do we get people to continue to want to come and hang out and make this like a thing to do regardless of the city we're in when and if our team when or if our team becomes not that great if we know the world and i think like so far they knew in la that nobody knows if they're chargers or rams fan i mean i'm sure there are some people

that are diehard either way but it being an attraction is a big deal like in las vegas them having bottle service everything like it being an attraction is a big deal. And let alone the internet that you have to have nowadays in these places, just because people have to, the access to things you have to give people nowadays. I mean, we are turning into a, people are going to have to reshape and redo their stadium and their live experience. Some cities, there's going to be throwback cities, I'm not saying everywhere, but we're seeing that as a generational turn as well.

And Arlington Park allowsago to build the bears organization to not only fulfill george hallis's dream obviously that's real but also build out something massive with a casino probably going to be attached to that thing in a hotel it's an attraction it's like keep coming and come enjoy it's almost like a museum green bay does an incredible job with this and i think that's the next big business thing 120 million dollars or something like that was made in landscape in real estate investments invest no was it real estate or investments whatever green bay yeah yeah something or something like that yeah but anyways their real estate or their area around them investments or whatever it was through the roof and i think it's because every weekend whenever there's a game in Lambeau,

all the Packers fans travel there. They go to the museum. They stay in the hotels that they own. They eat at the bars and restaurants that they own on the property. And they go to the museum that costs tickets, and they buy merch from there. It's just like basically a full to-do almost. And I think a lot of teams are going to try to get that.

Atone Diggs, I can't wait to hear this. Well, it makes great business sense but it's going to be sad because the chicago bears are going to have an indoor stadium but they're going to do it so they can get the super bowl and stuff like that i assume yeah windy city is real shame uh-huh uh by the way i would like to let everybody know that i've been on the record publicly and as has adam venetieri every single stadium should be a dome in every single one. If we have the opportunity to make this thing 71 degrees and sunny with perfect grass, why aren't we doing it?

It's billions of dollars. Let's do it. Then you hear my family members, oh, that ain't football. That ain't football. And me and Vinatieri, who come from two, I think, like football-loving families, you know, they call us soft. Obviously, a punter, kicker, don't want any.

Fuck what? You want to have a little adversity? You soft? You don't want any wind? Oh, dumb guy. Of course. It's like, but also, how come we have, when the games matter the most at the end of the season,

we have to deal with the most shitty of football because the weather is just so terrible. Now, it is a mess. I love watching it as a fan. Snow games are awesome. All right, I absolutely enjoy the hell out of that. But nobody likes it when the wind is 40 miles an hour. Maybe a defense likes it, but other than the 11 people on the field and sideline and everything like that there's no fan that's like oh i love whenever a quarterback can't

complete a pass like there's nobody saying that let alone the kickers and punters lives being you know pretty high anxiety yeah sure you know pretty stressful yeah uh pretty nerve-wracking and also just they're missed but i'm not just saying it from a personal selfish standpoint for the brand i'm saying 75 and sunny with the greatest athletes on earth flying around at all times in the biggest moments i think that is something that we we could potentially dream of you know i don't i don't know if pittsburgh's ever going to put a dome over hinesfield never and i would have thought that chicago because, because that's like a part of it. They used to have higher grass.

They used to have longer grass to slow teams down. That was a whole part of playing Chicago. I actually saw early plans, and they're going to pump in wind into the dome. Oh, good. That's what the Colts did. That's what the Colts did. So, crack a window.

You just open the window. Yeah, you take the roof off, and then you just drop one window, so that that wind can really just come in and catch itself in there. You know what I mean? And then it just flies around. It's great.

It's fucking great. Oh, yeah, you get to kick in a dome, though. Yeah, when Jim Irsay decides it's a dome. Yeah. Other than that, guess what? It's a fucking windsock. And he loves opening that. Loves it.

Loves it. Does he get to press the button himself? I don't know. That'd be so cool. I hope that there is like a little launch thing in his suite. The funny story about that thing is the roof being able to open is they pitched because Indiana weather is absurd. So it's always windy here. So for people that don't live in necessarily very gusty, windy cities or whatever. It is always windy in Indiana because it's so flat here.

So it's literally just always windy. So that means weather comes and goes quickly. And I'm sure this is in a lot of states like, hey, if you don't like the weather, just wait 15 minutes or whatever. But the decision for the roof being closed had to be made like 90 minutes before the game started or something like that. And Jim was obviously very pumped that he could do this this was a big deal so a couple days a couple games would go by and

he would have to have the thing closed but then that initial storm that maybe was coming through 90 minutes before would blow through like and then 30 minutes before game it becomes sun it would be a perfect day basically and had to have the thing closed and I think Jim was like brother we gotta fight what are we doing so they actually pitched to the nfl to be able to open the roof at halftime so it had to be an entire rule that had to be made like there had to be something because it could have been competitive advantage and everything like that but it was because of weather first time they did it the they passed the rule the first time they did it they said yeah you can open at halftime if the weather permits or whatever.

First time they do it, they open it, a fucking bolt falls from the roof, hits somebody. Jesus. Obviously, that had to get handled behind the scenes. But it was one of those things where I think Jim and everybody was right. We should be able to open this toy that you have. I mean, it's a real shame if you can't as a punter orer, because it becomes one of the windiest places in the NFL whenever that happens, because you're just catching the Indiana wind and literally just throwing it back. So you hit it twice. So instead of one wind, Gus, you actually get two of them because it's coming in.

And then that son of a bitch is going back out. So that was a that was a situation where I felt like Jim made the right decision there, being able to get it and just just one one loose nut. Take the whole thing down. Yeah, it can't happen. I don't think they're allowed to do it anymore. Or maybe they were able to get past it. They had to pass a bunch of inspections. But that thing starts, bang, bang.

When that thing opens, it's a big deal. I mean, it's the entire place going, maybe you guys will have that. Maybe you guys will have the grass that walks itself outside. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool. Like in Phoenix and in las vegas las vegas is basically i don't want to say basically the same because the outside is designed but the way you got into that uh stadium was very similar to how the cardinals you get into the stadium because they have that big open area where the field has to come out las vegas did the same

exact thing maybe you guys will do that maybe you guys will just take a bunch of shit from everybody's stadium that's already been built and make something awesome stadium ever i mean chicago is beautiful city it is but you guys are gonna be nowhere near there right it's 45 minutes away yeah with traffic an hour yet easy on the train metro yeah oh and is elon must still building the uh underground oh yeah it goes to the airport though doesn't it is that near the airport or no city that would be going to the airport the arlington the mustang was yeah can you just have elon hey take that little dozer thing and drop right to the stadium that's not a bad idea yeah the player should be on the field when it moves into the stadium what an electric introduction bears exit you yeah man congrats i don't know are bears fans happy about this or no

they just want naggy fired that's right now i bet you the bears did this just to cover the naggy stuff oh my god all right yeah i mean fuck really stay that's 12 years from now all right we got a lot to figure out right now uh it's awesome naggy there were some people going to bat for him last night on the internet. We'll talk to Spice Adams, obviously, Chicago Bear legend. He was ranked, I think, the 101st best Chicago Bear of all time. Oh. I think because they had a top 100 or something like that,

and I think he hosted it or whatever. Whatever the case, Chicago Bear legend. We'll talk to him all about that. There's other drama to be chatting about as well right now, and it all revolves around at Boston Connors team. I say this as a friend I hope you view me as. You can't be this beat up about what's going on this Sunday. Oh, I can't.

People watching and listening, I want to let you know, at Boston Connors has been a different human this week. And this is not just a this week. It is. And this is not just a gimmick. This is not just on air. You're talking about our guy, our man here seems so bummed right now. Doesn't he?

Oh yeah. Why? Why are you so bummed? This is celebration. This is a one last time getting a chance to look back at all the great times. This is one last time, you know to see Tom Brady play in Foxborough This is one last time to really take the trip around the old

Nostalgia Lane and come all the way back home and I understand that there's a chance that you're gonna hear Hello from the other side. I must have called a thousand times to tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've done. But I can't be home anymore. Is he going to be home anymore? Hello from the outside. At least I know that I'm trying to tell you I'm sorry for everything that I've sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Better to be Feared or something like that from Seth Wickersham, ESPN senior writer is coming out and there's stories coming out that Tom just wanted to have a face-to-face

convo with Bill on his way out. One last time. And Bill just wasn't home anymore. Apparently he has spoken on that and that's not true. From Belichick at least. Oh really? So this book is full of games. Some of it. We don't know. I mean there was no

Brady Craft or Bill real quotes or interviews from this book is full of games. Some of it. We don't know. I mean, there was no Brady, Kraft, or Bill real quotes or interviews from this book. So it's all outside sources related to those books. Okay, so the book is called Better to be Feared? Yeah, something like that. Better to be Feared. Something to be Feared. Seth Wickersham. And original quotes were coming out from this book, like I think last week maybe, that maybe Tom is going to look bad in this.

Like I thought potentially Tom is going to look bad in this like i thought potentially it's going to be a tom is going to look bad in this book type book and seth actually uh reached out to me to come on the show and talk about it and i did i didn't answer i didn't say anything because i didn't know him and i didn't know what the book was going to be about and because i thought it was going to be an anti-tom book and it was like well i'm not going to become a place it's like a you know anti-fashion any player like that's That's not what our show is, but we will talk about the book. That's kind of how I felt about it, you know, in this whole thing. Now there's more stories coming out that, you know, allegedly at a conference in Denver before having to travel to Detroit,

Kraft was quoted by some of his peers anonymously that he said, I wish I could be here with like the most brilliant minds on earth learning things. Instead, I have to go to Detroit and be with the biggest fucking asshole of my life. Yeah. Bill Belichick. That's insane. I never, I mean, all these sources, they're coming from places like, allegedly there was a meeting in Robert Kraft's office where something was said disparaging about bill i think or something like that and literally if you're robert craft you know who that is right yeah unless he's having a party of 50 in his office to talk about very serious things and they're anonymous to the book we're gonna know and learn who these people all are right and if they allegedly were getting great sources and great inside information that allegedly roger goodell and bill belichick met

at an airport hangar in in in joe in foxborough or massachusetts one time to talk about rules changes and all this shit i mean there's a lot that's about to come out from this book i think we're about to learn about the last 20 years and if you're a Patriots fan, I can see why you're potentially a little torn. Because not only are you staring down, hello. No, I'm not doing it again. Please. It's broken your heart. I've already watched the video fucking 50,000 times.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Maybe we need to keep out of it. Maybe you just need to keep your brain out of that. Oh, yeah. You guys are helping me do that, by the way. Thank you. We do feel bad. I appreciate that.

But it has to be a tough week. I mean, you're staring down the goat bowl. Julian Edelman termed that on Paramount Plus for Inside the NFL. Is anybody watching that? Selling t-shirts. I used to love that show. I know. It was great when it was on show.

And I was very excited when Julian Edelman was getting on that show. And now I don't even know where the fuck it is. Paramount Plus? I guess. That's a thing. That's a thing. I'm pretty sure Diggs is the only person in the United States who has Paramount Plus. I love the show, though.

I will go watch. Brandon Marshall's on there. Sims is on there, I believe. Julian Edelman's on there as well. Ray Lewis was on there, I think. Yeah, he was. I think he still pops on time to time. That's a good show.

Yeah. I like that show. They swear on that show. They're very relaxed on that show. They have all the mic'd up stuff from the week. It's a good show. They have access to everything. It's a great show.

Yeah. It's on Paramount+, now, so so we got to start watching that obviously we'll figure out what the fuck a paramount plus is and then we'll go ahead and dive into that how does that happen i don't know how why do they do that paramount plus is probably awesome he turned it to goat bowl though julian edmund who we're big fans of and everybody else on that show obviously but he turned it to goat bowl and then once you start thinking about it it is right and this is going to go down as a big conversation piece forever, I think. Especially with how much was made out of it last year.

And especially during the exit and the turmoil. And then, you know, the quotes of the Johnny fucking Foxborough and all this stuff. It's so interesting because this is the most successful run in the history of professional sports. At the highest level in the biggest league. In, you know, I mean everybody in the NFL will say the biggest league in you know i mean everybody in the nfl will say the most difficult league to win in because so much has to go your way and there's so much physicality and there's so much risk in every single game and play and everything like that so but the dominance that they showed the patriots was something that everybody wished

that their team had and also with all the asterisks that attended and popped up, that a majority of them are bullshit. It just added to the entire thing. And now as a Patriots fan, you kind of have to live with all of that crashing down in like seven days. Is that why you are currently so bummed about it? Is that what's going on? Or why are Patriots fans, are you representing all Patriots fans like very bummed about the weekend? I think there's some split. I think I'm bummed because we're going to be 1-3,

and our team is not going to be good. I mean, this stuff, like this book, I feel like we've been hearing stuff like this for the past two years. It's not really anything that new. I mean, Kraft saying Belichick's the biggest fucking asshole in my life is hysterical, I think. Bill O'Brien trying to get fired from the Texans ended up getting promoted and saying, son of a bitch, Ibrien trying to get fired from the texans ended up getting

promoted and saying son of a bitch i was just trying to get out of this place this guy's making actual bad decisions on purpose yeah just to leak and get out and they are promoting him to every role yeah on the team this guy's the houston texans have to be so fucking thankful that coach dave and nick casario yeah i mean what the hell was potentially going on down there? Now, this is all alleged. Bill O'Brien, now the offense coordinator for the Alabama football team. That's right. And they are beating the fuck out of everybody, by the way.

If you are wondering, they are very efficient on the offense. He was allegedly, via a source for Seth Wick, he was allegedly trying to get fired out of Houston so that he could secede Bill as the Patriots' next head coach. And instead of doing that, he got the GM

role, he got the head salary cap role, he got the H&R role, I think he got the lead council role, he got, I do believe he was marketing exec as well. He was GM. He was GM, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, he's running the Twitter accounts.

Didn't get the chaplain, though. No. Could not get the FCA role. No way. They already had the top dog at that position. Well, yeah. Well, it's actually the top dog's right-hand man. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. The top dog would be... JC himself. Jesus Christ. Of course. But his right-hand man, Jack know what i mean oh yeah the top dog would be jc himself jesus christ of course but his right-hand man jack easterby you know what i mean that's who they had that role and you would have thought with him there maybe he could sense out that this guy seems to be trying to tank our team but he's probably just all praying for him yeah no he's locked in on god yeah he's so positive no he couldn't be trying to do that to us and then he read this

book and that devil works in mysterious ways. God was trying to take us down. What a fucking asshole. Do they call people assholes like those super religious people? Like, not assholes. Obviously, they wouldn't say that. But do they say like, oh, that's a scumbag. I think devil.

You're being a real Judas. Yeah. That is a. I'm just a pilot. They say that in the Catholic community and the super religious community? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think a lot of Catholics swear. And if you're Catholic and you're saying you don't swear, then you're full of shit.

Yeah, but what about the Jack Easterbees of the world? I would say he's a big Judas. Really? Oh, yeah. Is that like the worst thing you could say? I mean, yeah. Just read Jesus. What did Judas do?

You dropped the full name. Judas Iscariot. That's... All right, I'm going to do that on SmackDown. Those are fighting words. I got to do that on SmackDown, for sure. Somebody looked him in the eye like he was Judas Iscariot. Judas of Iscariot. Who?

Judas of Iscariot, yeah. Judas of Iscariot. This guy... Guy? Yeah, sure. This guy... Terrible. Yeah. Judas. This guy, terrible. Yeah.

Judas of a scale. Cain wasn't great either. I believe he was the first murderer. Cain? Killed his brother. He's the mayor of Knox County. Big red machine. Hell yeah.

Yeah, dude. Cain of Cain and Abel. All right, let's get to a break. That's why Glenn Jacobs. Yeah, he's the mayor. Yeah. He gave Bianca Belair a key to the county the other day really yeah it was big fucking key dude wow get in any door wow it works in every keyhole in the county

yeah holy shit yeah knoxville i guess it runs as its own entity and then knoxville is in knox county though it's like a dc type situation okay does that make sense yeah so i don't know if the key works in the city. We were necessarily in Knoxville, but if you go outside Knoxville city limits, she could get into any house, farm, barn. What? Time. What? Bank.

What? The vault in the bank. What? And that's where I think she should go. Smart. That's what they gave you a key accounting for. That's the point. That's right.

Why? Are you a user or not? It's my money now. I just can't believe you guys came to Paramount Plus. You are the only person I know that has it. What is it? What's on there? Any CBS football game, any CBS SEC game, any CBS show. Why is it called Paramount? And of course

Yellowstone. Yellowstone. Oh. Uh-huh. Champions League's on there. Champions League's on Paramount Plus? Wow Hold the phone Is anybody other than you telling anybody? I don't know

Actually your show's on there Bull Now that the world's opening back up So many new thrills Are on the horizon. Okay. And whether you've been in a relationship for years or just getting started, we're excited to get back out there and meet new people.

Hell yeah. When the moment comes, let's not come too quick. Oh, here we go. I get it. That is not what they had in their copy. Okay. They should. That was, I think they're going in a different direction.

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I'm doing great. How are you guys? We're fantastic. Can't thank you enough for joining us. I look forward to this conversation every week. Let's get into it. You had the opportunity to coach the team that had to play against Peyton Manning when he was coming back to Indianapolis to play against the Colts. There was a statue already being constructed of this man outside of the building.

There was fans wearing Denver Bronco Manning's jerseys who are Colts fans, allegedly. And you had to coach a team with Andrew Luck. I got a chance to be there. Now with Tom going back to New England, obviously it's a different situation with two goats. But that is still a monumental moment. Is there pressures in that game? Do you know it's a different game? Like Bill and Tom, everybody and Bruce and everybody, they know this is different, right?

And you have to, even though publicly people will say differently? No, absolutely. Are you kidding me? 20 years in New England, Peyton 14 in Indy. They're going to say all the players speak, all the coach talk. You know, blinders are on. I'm in the moment. I've got plenty of time to reminisce, you know, but this is about this game.

This is the biggest game because this is the next game, which is all BS. They can try. They're trying to convince themselves as much as they are Joe Public and Joe Fan. But, you know, Peyton coming back there in 2013, undefeated Broncos team. I mean, everybody said he's done. Well, there's one person, Peyton, that said, 2013, undefeated Broncos team. I mean, everybody said he's done. Well, there's one person, Peyton, that said, no, I'm not done. And I've got something to prove. And I'm going back to Lucas Oil Stadium. I'm going back to the city where I spent 14 years, where I brought a Lombardi trophy.

And, yeah, there's pressure. There's going to be emotion. They're saying there's no emotion. I'm going to block all that shit out. But, you know, when we put that tribute up, you know, Peyton, you know, during warm-ups, you know, it's a three-, four-minute tribute, you know, and you're going to try to be stoic, you know, and this, that, and the other. You can't help but, you know, hey, you're going to pat your heart, blow kisses, you know, fans and all that. And that's a big deal. That's a distraction.

You know, it's hard not to go back and say, okay, yeah, I just spent 14 years here, you know, leading this organization, more wins than anybody else, you know, through a seven-year span. You know, and then we, you know, screw with him even more, you know, 90 minutes before kickoff, you know, he walks in there, the windows closed, the roof shut. Right. And next thing you know, it's and the windows, the roof starts opening up and the window opens up. And he's like, he's throwing those passes.

He's got that big, long neck and that helmet, that size 10 helmet on. He's throwing those. And, you know, we're getting in his head. He said, holy shit. And he probably thought, yeah, maybe Mr. Ursae will open it, maybe he won't. Maybe he'll do me a favor. Nope, no favors because, you know, he's got one thing on his

mind, Tom's got one thing on his mind. You know, Tom won a Super Bowl last year, right? Going to another team first year, you know, this, that, and the other. Was it Belichick, you know, who got Brady in the Hall of Fame? Is it Brady who's going to get Belichick eventually in the Hall of Fame? The GOAT versus the GOAT?

You know this is bigger, Tom, than the Super Bowl. He wants to go in there and kick that man's ass just as much as Belichick wants to beat the shit out of Brady and the Buccaneers. But as we know, it's a team deal and all that stuff. And when the ball's kicked off, it'll get down to 60 minutes of football. Blinders on, play-by-play, be where your feet are. As soon as that ball's kicked off. I love it. I love hearing it straight from Chuck, too.

I've been hearing it from Pat for so long. It feels good to hear it from you, Coach. But you mentioned Belichick. We know it looks like none of this outside stuff ever affects him. He doesn't care about any of it. I mean, he is a human. Like, how much do you think he's thought about this game? And is it going to change anything? And do you think he can do anything defensively to try to mess with Tom? Well, if anybody can, you bill can um obviously tom knows bill inside and out and vice versa um i heard somebody on you know tv this morning call him an android you know bill bill's a great

football coach probably going to go down as the you know greatest of all time. You know, the guy is a human being, you know, and I think he does maybe do a little fishing, you know, here and there, or maybe go on a date, you know, with his girlfriend, you know, but, you know, because all you see is the flat line, all business, you know, you walk in the building, you got two signs up, do your job, ignore the noise, you you know and if you can't do either those two things you're out um you know so yeah bill's gonna uh he's gonna devise a game plan uh to try to mess you know with tom but tom's seen it all hey what is the line of scrimmage hey chuck what is something like that you think he would be able to know because he's at practice with Tom for 14 years? Is it like a pressure that he'll potentially bring?

Is it a coverage that they'll disguise? What is something you think that Bill, as his defensive coach, and you being a defensive coach, what is something you can learn from watching somebody in practice in every single step of their life? You can just pick apart everything, basically, that you don't like and put it in. Is that something you can do?

Yeah, most certainly. I mean, he knows what his Achilles heel is better than anybody else. And so he'll go back and he'll go back through all of his stuff and a lot of the practice stuff and the people that affected him. And he's going to have, you know, two or three things that he knows that can mess with Tom, you know, and whether that's, you know, a pressure, a different personnel package, moving guys around, get that amoeba defense going on third down,

get everybody walking around, whatever that is, Bill knows what Tom's kryptonite is. He's going to know exactly what buttons to try to push, what coverages to play, what fronts to play. But the problem is you've got a Bucs team. It's not just the quarterback, you know. And you've got a Bucs team that's loaded with so many talents. You've got to decide, okay, you know, he knows Gronk too,

but I don't give a damn how well you know Gronk. Who the frick's going to cover him? Who's going to stop him, you know? And then, you know, Godwin and and evans and and brown and the runners i mean they're gonna their best their best uh deal against tommy is to keep him on the bench yeah to me is they better get the ball out of max hands short quick pass game hand the ball off chew up the clock win the time of possession don't turn the damn ball over and keep him on the sideline and on the bench where he gets most frustrated yeah and he was able they happened last week but they got aaron donald jalen ramsey

and i mean that defense is loaded but so are the patriots patriots defense is always going to be good it's always going to be i mean there's a patriots fan in the building you know you know connor chuck he is going through it right now i mean he is in a bad spot chuck it's a it's a tough go but can we stay on the topic of that game? Because you know the coaches at Tampa a lot, like very well. As do I. I know a lot of the guys you know even more, obviously, including like Todd Bowles, who just got Richard Sherman in the secondary today,

which is congrats to him. But I think they all know that this is a big fucking game too, right, for Tom? Like isn't that something that I think they might rally around? Because there's a lot of scars in that coaching staff up in Foxborough. There's a lot of those scars that they've had up there in Foxborough. Have you heard or got a sense of how they feel toward this? And are they using it as like, hey, this game is going to be a big deal for Tom at all, or are they trying to not talk about that, you think?

They're not talking about it. Yeah. It's in everybody back of everybody's mind it's the big elephant in the room right it's sitting there we all know what it is and nobody's talking about it you just gotta again it's just what's our process we gotta have a great Wednesday today first and second down we gotta have a great Thursday third down two minute Fridays red zone short yards goal line and we've got to do our preparation we've got to have a great Thursday. Third down, two minute. Friday's red zone, short yards, goal line. And we've got to do our preparation. We've got to put the time in. We've got to put the work in. We just won a Super Bowl. We got a great team. We got 22 starters back and unbelievable

coaching staff. We just picked up Richard Sherman. Let's focus on the things we need to focus on. And that's our preparation. And not all this hoopla, you know, surrounding Tom going back to Foxborough. It's crazy that that is literally, I've heard you give that speech a couple times, you know, because when noise gets loud outside, the job of the coaching staff inside is to be like, hey, when we're here, this is business. All this shit outside, we got to do this because we want to be the ones in the end that are successful. It's crazy to listen to you give that speech right there. I just had a little nostalgia.

That was beautiful. Go ahead, AJ. Chuck, I'm curious when you're coaching teams, is it sometimes more difficult but obviously a better situation if you're coaching a team that's winning consistently week in and week out to where you're trying to keep them focused and always worried? Pat and I talk about it all the time. When you're winning a lot, coaches usually that I've been around

have been real puckered up and really nervous for the letdown. They're always worried that you're going to let this down, we're not going to do this anymore. In teams that I've played on that been real puckered up and really nervous for the letdown. They're always worried that you're going to let this down. We're not going to do this anymore. And teams that I've played on that maybe haven't won as much, sometimes it's a little more like loosey-goosey, not terrible teams, but just middle of the road. Is it different coaching a team that is known to be a great team and have a good franchise compared to something else?

Yeah, that's a great question, AJ. And it's a dynamic and a balance that you've got to, you know, handle with your team based on the ebbs and flows of the season, winning team, losing team. And just trying to keep motivating those guys to avoid, you know, the letdown. You know, you've won two, you've won three, especially if you're going to play an oh and three team or an oh and four team or somebody that's one and two now all the pressure you're but you again you couldn't get a a needle out of your ass with a tractor and chain you know you're so tight because because the expectations are is we've got the better everything and we're supposed to go win this game well that other team in that other locker room in that other city doesn't believe that. And they're dying to get a W and get a win. And so that coach,

you know, that's talking to that team that doesn't quite, you know, know how to win yet, has lost a couple heartbreakers. They're really, really close. He's inspiring his team and he's telling them, hey, look, guys, we've got freaking good players here. We've got a quarterback. We've got a defensive line. We've got an offensive line. We've got playmakers, and we're that close. And he's showing them the video evidence, and he's showing them the film and saying, hey, look, if we just do this, this, and this and clean up these few things, all right, we're going to get over the hump.

We're going to win this game. All right? We're going to keep getting up. Like Dan said, we're going to keep fighting the hump. We're going to win this game. All right. We're going to keep getting up like Dan said. We're going to keep fighting and biting and doing whatever we have to do. And as long as you don't give in to that and you keep preparing and you keep fighting. You know, I used to say this all the time. Faith is believing in what you can't see. And the reward for believing is that you'll get to see it. So that coach is inspiring his team to just keep believing, keep trusting the process, keep grinding, keep fighting.

And that shit will turn. You know, I used to tell Pat, I'll tell you this. I said, you tell him all the time. Life is freaking hard. As soon as you figure that shit out, it's a lot easier. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, it is. It's a great quote.

And it's a real thing. And I was going to ask you about the Lions, but I think you just walked us through it. MCDC is a 66 yard field goal away, a-19 conversion, and a lack of a delay, a game call, and some other plays that probably happened during the game away from beating the fucking Ravens. The Ravens are a great football team, and now the Lions are 0-3 or whatever, and I assume that's the messaging, and I'm happy you actually covered that. The boys have some questions for you.

Coach, go ahead, Ty. Coach, you were on Matt Nagy's staff in Chicago, and this week the national media, a lot of people have basically called for him to be fired this week. Do you think, is there anything he can do at this point outside of making the playoffs to keep his job? And as a coach, we always hear that you keep that stuff out, but going into the season, people were talking about him being on the hot seat,

and now it's week four. Loud. Yeah, they're already calling for his job. How difficult is that to keep that stuff at bay while you're still trying to prepare to win games? Been there and done that. Went into a season on the last year of a contract. So Matt's betting on himself.

I bet on myself know, I bet on myself, you know, and I bet on the players, you know, that we could come together and we could get this thing turned around, you know, now Coach Nagy's taking, you know, obviously a ton of criticism right now for, you know, their start of the season, what just happened, you know, in Cleveland, what just happened with Justin Fields, you know, and we know what we signed up for. I say it all the time. And when you have the title of the head coach, you've got to shoulder all that. And it's all going to come down on you. But by no means does he need to shoulder and take the blame for all that stuff, because we're all getting paid really good money you know as professionals as coaching

you know as coaches as as players you know so maybe he was right about Justin Fields you know if we really dove into that tape and dissected that tape and said okay look you know did he miss a read here or two you know did you know one of his quick you know a three-step throw you know he's throwing a slant or a hitch and it landed in the third row of the dog pound you know, a three-step throw, you know, he's throwing a slant or a hitch, and it landed in the third row of the dog pound. You know, that's not on the head coach. You know, the offensive line, you know, they're struggling this, that, and the other. Okay, they're going to go back. They're going to evaluate the tape.

But everybody's got to take accountability. You know, everybody, you know, we always used to say, I used to always go in and say, that's me. I didn't prepare the football team. That is solely on me. But when we got behind closed doors, Pat, you know this, we would just say it like it is and say, look, I've got to be better. Yeah, I screwed this up. My plans suck, this, that, and the other.

But I will be better. I vow to be better. And players, we have to play better. We can coach better. And we can do a lot of things better. But one guy shouldn't brunt uh you know the the full full you know bear uh the entire bear bear the whole deal you know thanks pat you know wyoming wyoming education coming out again west virginia i hate the same deal right but yeah no

um you know coach he's a fighter he bet himself. I know those guys in that building. I know the players in that building. They're going to rally. They got a home game this week against the Lions. And so, yeah, I mean, that's a tough, tough deal. But, you know, there's only one thing you can do. You can't tuck your tail. And I know Coach Nagy's not going to tuck his tail.

He's going to sit there and he's going to keep swinging. Yeah, and they got another game coming. You know, in the NFL, Robert Mathis said there's no pity parties in the NFL. He's like, hey, there's another game coming on the other side of this thing, so we need to get over this as quickly as possible. And Aaron Rodgers doing that sometimes on Tuesdays people get so mad about, but you'll get your ass exposed again, and it'll only grow louder and louder. Did Nagy ever ask you about some head coaching stuff when you were there you know going from head coach to coordinator up there was that difficult for you and did nagy

ever say like hey did you have to deal with insert name of some random bullshit that you could have never guessed you would have to deal with now that you're a head coach did he ever ask you those types of questions or did he kind of have his own thing going no yeah i mean it's always great it's like when you know i became a head coach, it was my first time, college in the NFL. I've been a coordinator, but I used to love to have a guy like B.A., obviously, a guy that's been coaching for a million years and has all that knowledge, all that wisdom, been through all these situations, all the circumstances, a guy that you can go in, sit down, shut the door. Because when you take a head coaching job, that's a lonely, lonely, lonely job, you know, and you're just, you're just kind of on an Island most of the time. And so you hope you have some guys in the building path that you can go in. Okay. Shut the door and say, okay, the situations situations the circumstances you just talked about you can sit down and talk to that guy about and and when this happened what do you think in this situation

you know whether it's a dealing with a player dealing with the media uh the quarterback situation obviously there um all those types of things and and to have you know joe philbin was on my staff uh there at the, you know, in Indy. I loved him. You know, and Joe is the best. Love Joey. Yeah. Doing a great job, O-line coach now for Mike McCarthy over in Dallas.

But, Joe, I used to go in all the time and talk to Joe, just like I did B.A., and say, hey, look, you know, when this happened, you know, how did you handle this situation? So, you know, that's invaluable for a head coach. Chuck, how did you handle your bye weeks when you were the head coach? Did you ever change? Like, did you have a certain routine or rhythm that you would have for your players and also yourself? Did you, were you able to get away from it at all? Yeah, you know, win, lose, or draw, you know, you got two days, you got to give the players four days off, excuse me, you know, mandatory Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

But, yeah, I mean, we always use it kind of as a mini-buy, you know, if you will. You know, come in, clean up what you need to clean up, you know, from the previous game. Hopefully you're off to a decent start, you know, and you've got a winning record. So you can go out on, you know, with some momentum, you've just won the last game. But yeah, I always wanted to, you know, tell the coaches, get the hell out of here. Go be with your family, reset, recharge. You know, that bye maybe would be at, you know, week seven, week eight, week nine, right in the middle of the season. It's a great opportunity for not only the head coach, myself or the assistants,

to get away and go spend some quality time with your family. Hit the reset button. Hit the recharge button. Just get the fuck away from it for a minute. Hey, we had an early bye week saved your life, right? Yeah, that was a little bit different. Yeah. Thank God, yeah.

So that year, we practiced on Tuesday. I got some blood work on Tuesday night. On Wednesday, we took a team photo, if you remember, right? We had to Photoshop the owner in. Anyway, oh, no, it was his daughter, maybe. Anyway, yeah, so we practiced on Wednesday, right? Yeah. And then everybody took off, and I went down to IU Simon Cancer Center and started getting chemo and shit pumped in my body I never forget that first day we came back

the ursays were in the team meeting room or whatever and we had heard a little bit of a rumbling and then these three doctors walk into the room with uh with the ursay and they tell us the whole story and everybody's like, holy shit. We're literally just with this guy. Immediately, he got in there and the whole thing. And then you inspired a movement with Chuck Strong that has raised millions and millions and millions of dollars. So you're the fucking best, dude. We can't thank you enough.

Last question coming from the Patriot fan, Boston Connor. Yeah, the only thing that'll help me right now, Chuck is talking about the 0-3 Colts. If you have a quarterback like Carson Wentz and he possibly has three sprained ankles, how do you tell a guy, like, hey, you can't play this week? And how do you go about even trying to tell him you've got to change the way you play?

No, those are the tough, critical conversations, you know, as a head football coach that you've got to have. Decisions and conversations. Carson, we all saw what happened. He's a tough guy. It's well documented how he plays this game. Pat, I think you called him a maniac out on the football field. But you can't, as the quarterback, you can't play the game like AJ Hawk played linebacker you just can't do it we had to

tell I learned a hard lesson with Andrew early on because there's a fine line there because those playmakers those talented talented football players like Andrew like Carson you know you're saying hey get down no one to say when. Throw the damn ball away. And then every now and then he's got a dude Dunlap draped all over his back at home against Cincinnati in the playoffs, and he throws a touchdown pass to Moncrief, right? It's like, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, yay, Andrew.

Nice job. Yeah, we celebrate. All that stuff. You know, you celebrate. So you watch his body work. You see if he practiced Wednesday. I don't think he practiced Wednesday. Maybe he moved around a little bit Thursday. Friday, he's looking a little bit better. You know, Saturday's a walkthrough, so you don't know. You get to Sunday and the kid says, I can go, I can go, I can go. okay, at 70%, 80%, he's still our best option.

But you might have to just say, hey, no, we're not going to risk further injury, prolong this thing another two, three, four weeks, you know, and we've got to sit you down. This is the best thing. Again, every decision we made, Pat, you know this, and Andy was what was best for the team and what gave us the best chance to win. So every now and then, Connor, you're going to have to go to a kid, as much as he wants to play and die in a play, and everybody wants him to play, and say, hey, no,

you physically can't get this thing done, and I don't want to subject you to further injury. That's a tough convo, I assume, with some people, and it's a big boy conversation that has to happen, just like we get to have every single Wednesday with this legend of a man. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach is up. Chuck, Wednesday has come to an end. Sadly, I enjoy talking to you every single time. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach is up. Chuck Wednesday has come to an end. Sadly, I enjoy talking to you every single time.

Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Chuck Pagano. Thank you, Coach. Now it's hour two, and hour two shows not only the beautiful faces of the toxic table at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Connor, who is going through some stuff right now with the whole New England Patriots, hosting Tom Brady for the first

time since he's become a Super Bowl champion with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Sunday Night Football and the whole world's going to be watching and now stories are coming out about Bill Belichick potentially being an asshole. So, long week for our guy at Boston Connor at Toxic Table, but he will power through at Tone Diggs, the COVID cowboy and also host of the

incredibly successful gambling show Hammer which airs 15 minutes after this show ends every single day at youtube.com forward Tone Diggs, the COVID cowboy, and also host of the incredibly successful gambling show Hammer. Done! Which airs 15 minutes after this show ends every single day at youtube.com forward slash Hammer. Done! That's D-A-H-N. Tone, what is it like to watch Boston Connor kind of go through this whole thing?

I've noticed you have been awfully quiet. You sang with us because anytime hello comes in, you have to. Hello from the other side. I mean, you have to. Hello from the other side. I mean, you have to do that. But you weren't doing it, I think. I think you were doing it for Adele as opposed to against Connor, which maybe some others in the office was doing. And why is that, you think?

Well, I'll definitely do it here when I'm sitting in this seat because, you know, that's who I am. That's who I strive to be. Yeah, exactly. But out there, you know, I kind of know what he's going through. I mean, and – There you go. Well, I'm not on his side anymore.

Wow, just like that. Just like that. It matters if you're on my side in here, not out there, Tony. You know that. Hey, so you're already a little bit jaded because – Oh, yeah. He was acting like he was on your side not to mention

I got ransacked by Nick and him about running Brady out of town it's week three they're running Big Ben out of town but I won't comment

on that there's a big difference though Ben's career is over and Tom still has five years left to play and win the Super Bowl well so I think

saying that about Ben would be putting him down a little bit because, you know, it's realistic. We're being realistic. Okay, yeah, reality here. Have you watched the guy? What? Yeah, we know. What? We can see. We have eyes. What?

We would never run a Super Bowl winning quarterback out of that. What? What are you guys saying? You guys saying Ben's done? You guys saying Ben stinks?? You guys saying Ben stinks? Say it. Ben stinks. You guys are saying Ben Roethlisberger stinks at football in Pittsburgh?

You know that seven is my Lord and Savior, and I will never say that. Well, he actually denounced seven because of his finding of his Lord and Savior. There have been some struggles. That's what we'll say. And they are indicating. People around him are letting him down. Who are the people around him? Just everyone.

And because of that, you think his time has come to an end here? Potentially. Wow. Potentially. What's going to happen the rest of the season? Are you guys just mailing it in? Throw your terrible towel into the ring? I will support him every single day of the week.

You're calling for Matt Corral and Aaron Rodgers in the past two days, Tony. Well, if you knew anything about football, those players cannot be on the team this year. Matt Corral's in college, and you have to draft him after the season. Aaron Rodgers is under contract with Green Bay Packers. They're not trading him this season. So he can't be on the Steelers this year. So, no, that makes no sense for this year.

Well, I mean. You don't hear us calling for Mason Rudolph. No, you do not. Or do we ask? Anybody that is actually on the team, you don't hear Pittsburgh calling for Mason Rudolph. No, you do not. Or do we ask? Anybody that is actually on the team, you don't hear Pittsburgh calling for. Sure. Anyways, with that being said, joining us now is a man who is very good friends with a guy who a lot of Pittsburgh, just after yesterday,

started calling to be the next Steeler quarterback starting next year, actually. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. A.J. He doesn't own any other shirts. How many did you buy? What? You have two shirts in your closet.

It's Coach about Chuck Wednesday. I'm sure he's a fan. Oh, nice. I actually meant to wear it. So this is your Chuck, huh? My Chuck is Coach Chuck Pagano. Chuck Strong, the guy that beat leukemia and then has raised millions

and millions alongside the Chuck Strong Foundation. Your Chuck is that Chuck, huh? That's why whenever you hear, Coach is up, Chuck, you can't help but just go grab your Chuck Berry T-shirt. Is this going to be every single week on Wednesday? No, I don't think so. I mean, today I figured Chuck Pagano, Chuck Berry, maybe they're long-lost Italian people no i don't think so i mean today i figured you know chuck pagano chuck berry maybe they're long lost italian friends we don't know i'm sure chuck pagano's a big fan of chuck berry all right all right that is not why you're you're not a fan of

chuck berry because of anything he did in his music i'm very much a fan no you are not you come on man we gotta talk about Yeah, let's get to football. All of Pittsburgh actually let off the morning news and also last night on the local news in Pittsburgh was that Aaron Rodgers said nice things about Pittsburgh. He knows a lot about Pittsburgh, especially because big Mike McCarthy, Yinser head coach for the Dallas Cowboys now,

who used to be the play caller and the head coach for the Green Bay Packers, who actually had to make calls through Aaron Rod rogers helmet with his yinzer accent that is awesome to think about aaron having to learn that and be like what the fuck are you saying oh sorry about that hey i'll clear it up a little bit dice right like listening to a yinzer through a muffled thing that is hilarious personal relationship i I assume, with that accent. But him saying good things about Pittsburgh had everybody in Pittsburgh saying, Aaron Rodgers is going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler next year. The news did it.

Everything did it. Your thoughts on that reaction? And if you're Aaron Rodgers, how do you feel about that today? I'm sure Aaron, yeah, he has no issue with it. But if you think about it, when you ask him about any NFL city, do you think he's going to trash any team? I'll tell you what, Detroit, that place. What if he did?

What if he did just come out and cut a promo on the city? We'll go. Hey, next time, next Tuesday, we'll ask him every single NFL team. We'll just somehow casually bring it up throughout the combo. Oh, we'll become local news legends. They'll have that every single week. Is Aaron coming to Detroit next year? Does the local news spell your name right yeah how

about that what do we think about it so there's a first take this by the way very thankful and appreciative of the opportunity for some of our content that was created here mostly from a guy that's friends with that guy in a conversation we are very lucky to have i love that it has become a plus to the sports media world okay we have added to the sports media world i think anybody that's in the sports media world especially on a daily basis we understand that you know sometimes there's some there's a lack of shit to talk about yeah so like i'm very i'm appreciative of the fact that we are in that game now you know it's very cool aaron is very nice with his time we've obviously got in there with other stuff and stuff like that, but it's awesome.

AJ broke news on here and then broke news, the same news on like four different outlets or whatever the case is. So my first take is more spelling my name completely wrong. That had to be on purpose, right? That had to be on purpose. There's no way that wasn't. You think, AJ? I mean, okay, I understand if you are putting something together.

Okay, let me make – Phonetic. I'm not exactly sure how he spells McAfee. The name's on the screen two times. It's been on before. That's what I'm saying. All you got to do is open your eyes and look at anything. That's right above your head.

Yeah, it's right above your head there. And then normally it's probably right down on the bottom left. So it's got to be on purpose, right? Has to be, yeah. Has to be. I don't know, though. I don't know. Sometimes things will surprise

you they spelled my name wrong my first thursday night football game you remember that on my on the logo yeah your nameplate m c c a f e maybe or m c a f f e yeah it was awesome very nice and they have to be just trolling with us but i'm obviously gonna have to address that you know and that did go on the twitter and then we had people coming after us for misspelling words and both Yenzer language and actual words being spelled wrong on tweets. It's like, yeah, we don't claim to be the smartest humans on earth, though.

You're not misspelling people's names, and you're giving them credit if you play their stuff. Well, then also, we do give credit, and obviously we appreciate them giving us credit, and they ask, and there's an entire thing to that. We got copyright strikes right now on our youtube channel because people ran our interview on their show and then they sent us a copyright strike two of them that's happening right now i mean you can appeal that or whatever somehow yeah yeah but one's up in flux or whatever

the one is for for two weeks it's been up in flux these people asked us to use the conversation we said absolutely thank you for even asking this This is very nice of you, whatever. And then we get a copyright strike from them on the original show that they took it from. We asked YouTube, we're like, what the fuck? Is there any way we can? We actually do not have the technology right now to be able to tell when a clip was run first and everything like that. So is this just going to continue to happen? How do we stop this thing from happening?

But anyways, the behind the scenes is an entire thing. Spelling of a name wrong, all good. I understand it's probably going to happen. Kind of fucked up, but, you gotta do what you gotta do and but we we and what i was saying is like we don't act like we're smart like that is not like espn projects themselves as the you know the smartest people on earth can't even spell my fucking name it's on it's not smart that's not like showing intelligence getting someone's name right copy looking at a picture and just transcribing exactly what okay mcaf okay here we go that's a form of intelligence right has to be it's a form of awareness i would say common sense oh so you're saying awareness would go into the street smarts bucket as opposed to the intelligence oh yeah awareness is definitely part of like street

smarts i believe just figure you can if you have awareness just figure it out i tell my kids all the time hey don't keep peppering us with questions on how to do something just figure it out. I tell my kids all the time, hey, don't keep peppering us with questions on how to do something. Just figure it out and then come back to me. Big figure it out person. Love, I love. I think, by the way, that might be the biggest street smart thing of all time. Just figure it out, okay? And by the way, whenever we're done,

we'll probably look back on it and say, you know, could have probably done this like 17 different ways that would have been more efficient and smarter, but we did it this way and we got it fucking done. So that's just how it's going to be. It's how you learn. But I feel like the intelligence of just looking at,

I think that is an intelligence thing. I do believe that is an intelligence thing. Yeah, for sure. Also, places like ESPN and these big networks, they have like 75 people to make sure this kind of stuff doesn't go to air. We just have Z. Like that's the old, you know, so it's kind of like a. Yeah.

Anyways, I love Stephen A. Smith. First take has become the stephen a show yeah that's exactly what it's become how has tebow been on his first couple weeks other than the people burying him with signs right over his fucking shoulder i mean there's been some disparaging remarks about tim tebow on big white posters with black markers that are definitely legible by the camera right over his shoulder i like it if that's going to become like a wrestling like college game day-like environment every week, I'll look forward to that even more.

I think the conversations have gone well, though. Tim's a pretty good debater. You know what I mean? He's actually a pretty good debater, I think, because he's firm in his beliefs. Hey, firm. You're right. You're right.

And I'm sure he's had people pushing back and questioning his beliefs and everything that he does his whole life. So, yeah, he's used to that format. He does seem to be very comfortable on TV now. People like you. Like me? What do you mean? Questioning his beliefs.

Curious people. I'm sorry. Hey, there ain't nothing better than when I have some time. Normally I'm in a rush because I never prepare for anything, and I'm always just kind of trying to be here now like Ram Dass said. That's right. And I kind of started diving in that I do try to be in the moment as much as possible. of, you know, trying to be here now like Ram Dass said. That's right. You know, and I kind of started diving into that. I do try to be in the moment as much as possible.

No, you didn't. You don't have the book. He does. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was reading it when he came into the office. Remember, remember, remember, dude. You don't even know what the fuck it is, please. But normally, I think one drawback of somebody that is in the moment, maybe too much, okay,

and there's probably a fine balance and I probably abuse it, is you have a lack of necessarily being able to prepare for the future, which normally leads to me rushing to almost everything that I do, okay? But if I have some time on a street and there's one of those Jesus saved you guys with a thing, I mean, I have time and I do have some questions, you know, and I am curious. And every time I get good answers and they're normally starts like a little bit of a show and then I walk away and I think I actually helped that guy out more than he would probably give me credit at the beginning of me interrupting him. But those, those conversations, I bet you, Tim loves those conversations. The FCA guy, Eric,

for the Indianapolis Colts the night before every game, he and I had full conversations. I, I do enjoy those questions because whenever you're talking about, like, you know, how the world was created and what's going to happen in the future and all these stories, there's a lot of questions to be had. And if you're Tim Tebow, people are looking to you as potentially Jesus reincarnated as a football player in the SEC. Like, that is what people think.

He's probably had to, I think. He's probably had to answer a lot of questions. A lot. And I think that does make him probably better on television. I think it actually does. He's good at it. Don't you feel like, Tim, he'll always have some kind of sports show. He'll be doing some kind of analysis as a

sports commentator. But I feel like he's on the path of Jesse Palmer, Michael Strahan, where he's going to get into those morning shows and do stuff that's not just sports. Jesse Palmer, new host of the bachelor. Congratulations. Hey, that's first. That's one of the first guys I've been around. I was like, Oh, this is like a pretty guy. You know, like this guy, this guy's like pretty, you know what I mean?

Like that's pretty impressive that this guy is big, tall, handsome dude. Yeah. He's a pretty sum of a bitch right here. Good luck. He's going to ruin the franchise, but good luck. What? Oh, come on. What, dude? Why?

Because he can't fucking hold Chris Harrison's jock. That's what they've been searching for ever since they outed Harrison. Isn't Chris Harrison? He got run out of time. Yeah, but Ocho didn't run out of time. Ocho stunk. He wasn't a fan of the show. Really? I didn't think't a fan of the show. Really?

I didn't think so. Ty loves the show. You do have to be a fan, I feel like. It's like wrestling. I feel like you have to be a legit fan. You can't do those types of shows and just pluck someone from the outside. But Jesse's been in there. He's on The Bachelor.

But it was a long time ago. I think he was still the third string quarterback for the Giants. Guess what? It didn't work. The love didn't last. He fucking threw her to the side right away. Are you kidding me? Yeah, exactly.

It's one big fugace. I agree, though. Ocho did seem like he was self-handicapping. Because he had never watched the show before. That's what you guys are saying? Yeah, kind of. But that's not that big of a deal because we all do it. We all self-handicap.

So it's not like... What do you mean exactly? What do you mean? What do you mean self-handicap? What they mean is what do you mean exactly what do you mean what do you mean what they mean is these guys are the biggest fucking assholes on earth i want to know what that means i honestly don't know so emmanuel watcher did this entire piece about somebody saying that they didn't train or do say sandbagging is potentially also self-handicapping and then he went into this entire thing about how we all do it how we go into a test we say i didn't even study you know so you're kind of setting the standard or the expectations

lower for yourself and for everybody to go into something and i forget that's basically what it was but you guys are only bringing this up because the boys here's brains were too small for that conversation that emmanuel achille is having ain't that right no i agreed with him i was like oh shit i i do self-handicap. We do all do it. It was a great point. It's true. It's like Aaron said, the fear of failure. A lot of times people will, to protect their feelings, they'll say, oh, I didn't try as hard as I could have.

This office is a problem. All right? And you don't help. Is it the big wet butts come up again? No, not the big wet butts, but self-handicapping behavior refers to the process whereby a person creates or chooses obstacles to behavior or a performance setting for the purpose of protecting self-esteem in an esteem-threatening situation. A person may choose a task so easy that success is meaningless or so difficult that success is unlikely. Okay? And we were introduced to that word via Manuel Acho breaking down somebody.

I don't remember who it was. I couldn't tell you. But it might have been the smartest thing I've ever heard a human say in sports media. And I was like, holy shit. And then it has become a pretty regular thing when it happens. Yeah, it gets thrown out a lot. It was about LeBron. Yeah, just saying he won't be 100% last year. Yeah.

He's self-handicapping. I mean, Diggs has been doing this his entire life. Yeah, Diggs is a master self-handicapper. Oh, yeah. Shout out. Diggs' former favorite quarterback used to do this a lot, right? Former favorite quarterback. Peterman?

Oh, big bad. Tommy Maddox? You know, going into games wearing a boot three hours before the game. I don't know if severely injured is a self-handicap. He didn't injure himself. Yeah, severely injured was always fascinating depending upon who it is. And it did feel like Ben Roethlisberger was hurt a lot of the times and he plays his best football whenever he's hurt but injuries are a little bit different but i guess

showing up in a boot is letting everybody know like hey you know i i do have a pretty banged up ankle even though i need this thing to walk and they're going to shoot me up with a bunch of things so i don't feel any pain but this is is needed. And then you've got guys like Carson Wentz who just show up with two sprained ankles wearing jeans and boots and then when he should be wearing that. Is that him? Is that really him? That's what he should be showing up to the game like if we

really want to protect this thing. Before we get the cast of tape around both the two sprained ankles, I would like him to permanently be walking around like this. He does not. He shows up in boots and jeans and just says, I'll fucking sprain both of my knees today too if I have to.

If he comes out next week with that spanned up. Good news, though. Put some cleats on the boots. Smart. The NFL is going to have to okay those, but I think they've got a pretty quick turnaround on that particular. Good news. Mike Chappell tweeted

Wentz on sprained ankles. It's the right one. So it might be down to one sprained ankle. Okay, so the low ankle sprain on the left is no longer a sprained ankle. It is downgraded just to a bruise probably because that thing is probably black and blue still and swollen over there. And then the high ankle sprain on the right

still very sprained. Or does he have two on the right? Could have two on the right. He could have a low and a high on the right. And what if he had three sprains? What if we were misreporting this entire thing and we find out that he actually had both a high and a low ankle sprain on his right ankle and only a low ankle sprain on his left ankle? This man had three sprains. So two chains, but I got me a few on. He literally two sprains, but he had him a few on he literally two sprains but he had him a few on

and if that is the case that'll be absolutely absurd and what i did learn from doing some research about us nobody cares about carson wentz on the internet we talk about carson wentz there he's no views on the videos really i think some of our best work to be honest with you and nobody cares why do you think that is i feel like he was last year people cared about his whole situation going on i don't know is it because it's Indiana, Indianapolis, and everybody's – 0-3 probably. When someone's 0-3, I think everyone already writes them off. Yeah, and I think people have – because Stack got sent in,

and Zito, you can pull this up, although I don't necessarily love it. Ty sent a tweet in. I did exclamation point it right before we went live. Carson's like 3-11-1 or something in his last 15 games or something like that. And the interceptions and touchdowns do not bode well. Carson went since the start of the last

season via at NFL on CBS, which you can find on Paramount+. We just learned today. His record, 3-11-1. Touchdowns, 19 of them. Turnovers, 21. Fumbles, obviously, included in that. Touchdowns, 19 of them. Turnovers, 21. Jesus. Fumbles obviously included in that.

Sacks taken, 58. Most in the NFL. That's his last 15 games. And I'll tell you what, we're paying him $21 million this year, $28 million next year. He's got two sprained ankles already when everybody questioned whether or not he could play an entire season. And he's still out there chugging along. Old Carson ain't going to quit. Old Carson only knows one way. They're going

to have to kill him before he comes off that field this year. And that might be to the detriment of the Indianapolis Colts. And when you got into a full conversation before the air, how does Jacob Eason feel about this entire thing? How's Brett Hundley feel about this entire thing? They're rolling a guy out there who potentially has four sprained ankles

who can't run with two casts on before them, and that's because when Carson's healthy, he's good, but it doesn't feel like he's ever going to be healthy over there, AJ. It's his detriment, like his style of play, because he is so reckless, and it's a great thing. It's a compliment of how physical he is. He's not scared ever, it seems like. And you would just like him to back it down a little bit

so he can stay on the field because there's big dudes out there hitting you a lot. Not just me. I think there's a lot of people who feel that way. And I think Philadelphia probably felt this way. I assume Philadelphia felt this way. Anytime you talk to an Eagles fan about Carson, they're always like, yeah, just wait.

It was almost like a just wait situation in the offseason. Just wait. Just wait. And then that first game, now granted, we lost to the Seattle Seahawks, and they have not won since then, actually. So that is a little bit of a shame, so I'm not 100% sure. But there was an atmosphere in Lucas Oil Stadium. It was buzzing.

And I just, whenever he was playing, it was very obvious that he did not understand that he could potentially get injured you know like it didn't even register I don't think and to your point what you just said we've said all along like that is a compliment that that is how his brain is like hey just like Andrew Luck I feel he never told me this but it just felt like from watching him as a teammate front row seat for a lot of his early career there it felt like Andrew thought he was disrespecting football if he didn't go all out on every single play. Like, this is not how football is played.

Like, what are we even doing? I've been playing this since I was a kid. This is how football is played or whatever. And then once you get in the NFL, it's a business where it's like, yeah, that is how the game was played, maybe. But now that you're like, you know, $100 million and there's lives that depend upon you that are right here. It's our lives, too, that depend on your coaches and and everything we need you to be around a little bit he had that

view the entire time i think so i think it was very difficult for him to change or or and i don't think he didn't want to change i think he understood that him healthy is better for anything but i don't think he could because of how football i think the same thing for carson like i think carson is just like every play is a do or die we're gonna going to win the game on this play right here. We need 18 yards. I'm going to try to get 19 on this fucking play right here. I am not even thinking about just taking a loss, throwing it away, maybe doing a check down.

No, no, no. This is supposed to be a home run play because it's a play in football, is how Carson basically views it. And it's absurd. I don't know how he's and it's absurd I don't know how he's going to survive I don't know what's going to happen with the guy I mean I respect it no matter how he plays on the field whatever happens like I still respect a guy that's not scared to play through a lot of pain not just a little pain like he's not scared he wants to be

on the field Andrew Luck the same way I always yes will respect those guys that aren't like ah now I just it doesn't feel right guess I'm not gonna go today guys guys, and like pass their hand and be like, I can't handle that. Well, and that's what you were referring to with the boot and everything that potentially happens and did you see the, I appreciate you, Connor, throwing me this, left side! Strong side!

Left side! Strong side! Rest in peace, Gary. Rest in peace, Gary Bertier. Anyways, there was a video of Sonny Michelle I believe now the running back for the Los Angeles Rams And Matthew Stafford Was in shotgun

And for whatever reason they all blocked down to the left The offense line blocked down to the left And there was just a corner Clean in Matthew Stafford's face And Sonny Michelle Was set to the left to block to where the offensive line was. So this corner literally had a straight shot at Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford stood there, could have never seen Sonny Michel, who dove over, had an incredible cut block that flipped him.

He was ready to throw that thing and just get obliterated right in the middle of the chest. just he was standing in there just wide open and Sonny Michel came over late and flipped them and he's still in front of his face but just like the thought of Matthew Stafford standing there not even thinking about moving or anything like that just like nah fuck it if I die I die that like there's a couple guys in the league that are like that you know they were guys Matthew Stafford like had a broken neck or, like, something with his neck and his back and everything like that.

He's still out there playing. So, I respect the toughness of all of these people. But as a fan of the Colts, it's like, yo, just don't sprain your ankle three times. Your ankle's three times in one play. Like, let's just try to live and see another day. Because I think we're going to potentially. I mean, we're 0-3. We got Jacoby Percet with the Dolphins this weekend.

Then we got the Ravens, I think, the next weekend. Oh, boy. Oh, no. And then the Texans after that. Okay, here we go. Okay. Tyrod back, though. But is Tyrod Taylor's hamstring cured by then?

Probably. Yeah, probably. I'm just saying, we got to get some – we got to win some games. You know, an old – You better win right now. Yeah, that doesn't sound good when you're 0-3 staring that down. Yeah, that's I'm just saying, we've got to win some games. You better win right now. Yeah, that doesn't sound good when you're 0-3 staring that down. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because everybody in the building knows, too, like, hey, we've got to get a win here.

Got to get a win here. Because even when you're looking at the schedule, it's like, that's going to be a tough one. I think that's Monday night in Baltimore. Damn. I think that Ravens-Colts game is a Monday night in Baltimore. Like, okay, that's going to be a big-time game, obviously. There's still a lot of games left. There's 14 games left but man if you don't start correcting some things

that early snowball effect can really fucking get you there's a lot of other teams that have that have you had any thoughts before we get to this break we have to I because we got Chuck coming have you thought about Sunday night football Tom Brady and Belichick at all and have you heard any of these quotes from this book that's coming out from Seth Wickersham saying it's better to be feared or whatever have you heard about any of this it's insane what's going down on Sunday night I've only heard a real little bit about the book coming out in the quotes I'm sure they've been leaking out but yeah I've been watching and paying attention to all of this I I um Ted Johnson who used to play for the Patriots I heard him talk about how they were both super competitive and

they both really care about like he said like you think Belichick doesn care. He absolutely cares about this and wants to win more than anything. But he said, but I think Tom's going to go in there and definitely mop him up. Yeah. And not just Tom, by the way, there's Gronk too and Antonio Brown. And, you know, Richard Sherman just got signed to the Bucs. Congrats to him. Whatever he was battling.

Seems like he's on the other side of it. Okay. That's good news. He's back in the game. But there's a lot of vets that have a lot of scars that have come from losses in Foxborough. You know, there's a lot of vets on that team and the coaching staff and on the team that are like, you know, this is normally a miserable trip. But let's go to fucking war for our guy here because it's going to be a conversation piece for the next 20, 30 years everywhere. And let's go ahead and go to work. I can't wait to see it. But it is

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when you go to codecademy.com and use promo code Pat. That's promo code P-A-T at C-O-D-E-C-A-D-E-M-Y.com to get 15% off your Codecademy Pro. The best way to learn code, Codecademy.com, promo code PAT. Let's get back to the show. Joining us now is a man that I cannot wait to see. Ladies and gentlemen, Chicago Bears legend, Spice Adams. Yeah! Spice Adams. Yeah! Spice!

What up, dog? How are you doing, man? You got that new iPhone that has portrait mode on it, it looks like. You look... Oh, yeah. Do I need to switch that? No, no. You are glowing right now.

Are you in the... Hey, dog. I'm all here, cuz. Hey, we've been following along. Obviously, you've been just continuing to kill it. You've lost how much weight, though? You are a whole new guy, it seems like, on the been following along. Obviously, you've been just continuing to kill it. You've lost how much weight, though? You are a whole new guy, it seems like, on the internet right now. Man, I done lost about 115.

Jeez. Wow. Keep it going. Hey, let's go. Because, you know, back in... Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And you know your little running man you do back in the day?

You were doing that with 115 more pounds. Yeah. Think about that. You're probably flying around now, I assume. How do you feel like you'd probably get back in the league out there? Yeah, man. I get humble really quickly, man. I be trying, man.

I slide by the office a couple times. Hey, Coach Nagy, Ryan Pace, come on, man. You know, I slide by there every now and again, man. But, Ryan Pace, come on, man. You know, I saw about it every night again, man, but they ain't going to sign me, man. They need to, though. Hey, can I ask you about your thoughts on the Chicago Bears situation right

now? All hell is breaking loose. Zito, obviously, big Chicago Bears fan, been around here for a long time. He's a big fan of yours as well. He said, who cares about going to Arlington Park? All right, that's 12 years from now. Nobody cares about that. The only thing anybody's talking about right now is,

is Nagy going to be this coach for the long haul? Is that all anybody's talking about in Chicago? Spice? Hey, Pat, look at the sunroof! Oh, no! Minivan sunroof, dogivan Sunroof! Sunroof is back! In the Chrysler Pacifica!

I'm still selling that! Hey, do you have a deal with them yet? No, man. We need to make it happen, man. You're the only guy pushing Minivan Sunroof. The Bears, bro? I really don't want to talk about it. It ain't nothing to talk about! It's been going on for two years, three years.

What, man? Oh. I don't know, Pat. I don't know what I'm seeing on the field. I don't know what I'm seeing on the field. All I know is Justin Fields outside of the pocket is nice. Amen. Why can't we run those same plays?

Yeah. Yeah, well, hey, as a Colts fan, I don't have a great time right now either. We had a quarterback with two sprained ankles playing on Sunday, and I feel like there's a lot of decisions being two sprains, dude. Carson Wentz had two sprains. Two sprained ankles. How does that even happen? He's a little reckless spice spice he's at the

same time same like it happened at the same time one play one man two sprained ankles yeah that's that's what yeah yeah wow yeah yeah it's insane he's a reckless he's a wild man so we got a lot to talk about in indianapolis as well but it does feel like chicago is the national conversation piece right now because of justin fields. Now there's people coming out for Nagy saying he did try to move him. He didn't try to move him. Why aren't they doing it, Spice? Is it just ineptitude, you think? Why do people make so many mistakes in decision making in the NFL at the highest level? I don't know, man. I know a lot of times some coaches are kind of stubborn. I don't know what negi is doing or

whatever but some coaches you know how it is man they just wanted they want to run their plays and that's it doesn't matter what the personnel is like i remember um when i was with the 49ers and coach nolan came there we were a 4-3 team you can't take a 4-3 team and just make them a 3-4 and think you're going to have success overnight. It's going to take some years for that to happen. And I think now maybe they're being stubborn and they're like, okay, we're going to run these plays and that's it. We're not going to run those screens.

We're not going to run any of the stuff that you're used to. We're going to run my stuff. So maybe that's what's going on. I don't know. I wonder why. And it seems like there has been so much success in places like, for instance,

Tampa with Tom. Allegedly, Tom and Bruce Arians. Bruce Arians' offense, Tom Brady's offense, which is obviously also Josh McDaniels and the Patriots' offense. Allegedly, after the bye week

is when they really came together and then they just dominated. And they just lost to the Rams. But I think like Stafford and McVay right now kind of coming together, running things. You can see how it's a good thing when the coordinator, the head coach,

and the quarterback are on the same page. I don't know why everybody doesn't do it, Spice. I don't know why everybody doesn't do it. I don't know. Stuff that makes the most sense, people never really do. I don't get it, man. All the kids, huh? That's exciting. Yeah, where's that that at that's like an hour out that's like 15 minutes away from me man like let's do it let's let's do

it today allegedly now they'll be able to did you see sofi stadium what were your thoughts on that because that is obviously chicago is going to have to build a new stadium these stadiums eight billion dollars spice over there. I think they have all the 8K cameras on earth already just in there. That place is absurd. And that's what the Chicago Bears get to look at, you know? I could loan them $300 straight cash right now to start it up. Yeah, right now.

Straight cash. Dude, that stadium is dumb. Yeah. It is dumb, man. I thought, you know, the Dallas Cowboys Stadium was like the greatest thing ever. That sofa is unreal. You played nine years in the NFL, Spice? Was it nine years?

Nine, yeah. Favorite place to play other than the places that were your home stadium? You get it. I liked Dallas. I liked Kansas City. Kansas City was crazy. You know, they do the Star Spangled Banner. It says there, home of the brave.

This is my first time. So I was just like, man, there's no way that this stadium is that loud. You can't even hear your own thoughts. Like you're thinking things. You're like, damn, there's no way that this stadium is that loud. You can't even hear your own thoughts. You're thinking things and you're like, damn, what did I just say? Dude, instead of saying home of the Braves, it's like home of the Chiefs!

Whoa, whoa, whoa! That joint is crazy. I love playing there, man. It's nice. I like that. I just like the atmosphere, not so much like the stadium. But as far as stadiums is concerned, Dallas was the top that I ever saw. Do you remember walking into that place and they had, like, go-go dancers in a cage up on the ceiling?

You're talking about the distraction. You're walking right out of your locker room and you're like, damn. Like, you walked straight to a club. Damn, that's my man, that new Boosie. There's people holding alcohol, like, literally as you're walking. And it's like 100 people, and it is like club music. And you're walking out to get warmed up. Like, this is before warm-ups.

You're walking out, and there's, like, people just getting after it's like oh this place is different then the suites right on the field right behind and how big it was the adjust what chicago i mean chicago has a lot of blueprints or arlington now i guess has a lot of blueprints they can look at for what a good stadium is it's going to be expensive though spice it's going that 300 bucks ain't going to be enough pal pal. Man, they got it. They got it, man. All these owners, everybody, they rich. They got it, man.

But look, I remember we were on the sideline, and D-Wade just walked right out of his suite, like right onto our sideline. I was like, dang, this is crazy, man. And they do that every week. Yeah. Don't. Jerry runs a hell of a business down there. As does the NFL. Have you looked at some

of these numbers that have come out from the NFL? As former players, I believe we are more apt to maybe look at those numbers and go, oh, is that right? Especially with everything we had heard through the previous CBA. They just signed $110 billion licensing digital rights or whatever media rights for the next 110 billion dollars that can be negotiated anytime the league

is on the up and up right now spice and it's a shame that the bears aren't really going right now you know oh man anytime somebody mentioned the bear i got just got the i was i just set up a cleaner for my teeth and i'm talking to the dentist. And I'm just like, they're like, hey, what do you think the Bears are going to do? I'm like, man, I just want my teeth cleaned. I want my teeth cleaned. I don't want to talk about this, man. Hey, look, man. I used to think when I was playing, I was like, man, these former players, man,

they always complaining about something. And now I'm the guy complaining. Yeah, yeah, me too, by the way. How about the rules? How about the rules? You hate the rules changes? You hate the way the game changes, Spice? Taunting has to go.

Yeah, agreed. I don't know who's in charge, but I'm sure they watch the Pat McAfee show. Everybody watches this show. Oh, that's very nice of you, but they don't. If you're watching it where's my camera I'm holding it right here yeah right here taunting needs to go bingo get it out out I don't like we're sick of it most of the times people are celebrating and they're not talking to anybody in particular they're just getting themselves rilediled up like, yeah, let's go, baby.

Let's go. And they throw in the flag as if you're belittling your opponent. Yeah. You're not like you're just like you're having a good time. You're playing a kid's game, getting paid a king's ransom. And they are upset. They want to throw the flag. And you can't even celebrate when you score a touchdown.

I want people to pull out the Sharpie out of their socks and sign footballs. That is entertaining. I want to let you know, I love the diatribe you just went on. I believe in it 100%. But you stop looking at the camera in the middle of it. I don't know if the power's at B, you know, because you did want to lock eyes with them. I don't know if they're going to be able to stay focused because, you know,

you started looking off. They might think you don't really believe. You know what I mean? I got too excited, Pat. Yeah, me too. And by the way, you can't do that in the NFL right now. Can't get too excited in the NFL, and that's what we're talking about. Absolutely.

They're going to throw a flag on us. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. Can't get excited. Can't have emotions in an emotional sport. It's unbelievable. I think they're backing off of it. I think. I'm not 100% sure, but they fined players after week two, I think.

I haven't heard much. Yeah, they got taunting penalties and fined, I think, about it. And they're fined? Yeah, I think so. I think there was also a fine. I'm not 100% sure. This week three, we haven't heard anything yet, but, I mean, allegedly they'll change it to what they want and then they'll back off it. But it's all a bunch of bullshit, man. We have some questions from the boys for you, Spice.

How do you feel about it? Oh, let's do it. Hey, we've missed you around here, man. Hey, man. Anytime, dude. You know, I'm not that far away from you. You were in England. You were in England at one point.

Were you not over in England or something? Where were you? Don't don't don't do that. Yeah, he was in England at one point. Were you not over in England or something? Where were you? Don't do that, Pat. Yeah, he was in England. This guy's an international show host. Come on, Pat. Don't do that.

International. I always got time for you, Pat. Okay, look. I got a question for you. Okay. I follow you on the ground. I see all the animals, all the dogs you and Samap. When is the babies coming? Okay, alright, listen. That has been

a topic of conversation for me to potentially have a spawn. My wife is obviously an absolute angel. My body, when it was smaller and younger, was a fucking asshole. So, like, I don't know if I'm ready, you know. That's where that is what we are.

We are going to get into the game, and whenever this thing is a piece of shit, it is everybody's fault. Okay? I want everybody to remember that, okay? Stop, stop, stop practicing and get in the game. Okay, hey, don't be at the game, be in the goddamn game, okay? They don't make statues of anybody that's at the game.

They only make statues of people that are in the game. You're right. I just want somebody else to feel miserable with me. Yeah, see, that's what everybody... Yeah, exactly! I'm in the minivan right now. I just dropped the kids off at school, and they're driving me crazy. Look at this,

man. Hold on, let me see. Let me show you this, man. You see my weather check? This is all lemonade from tiptoe but my hand is stuck on the weather i can't pull it up see it's everybody like you with the same exact feelings you have about parenthood are the ones telling me and i love and appreciate the fact that you want more in your tribe you know what I mean? It's going to pay off one day. I just

don't know when the day is. But one day, I'm going to look back and I'm going to say, wow, that was fun. And I hope to have one of those days as well at some point. But you're selling it in a beautiful fashion. Go ahead, Ty.

Spike, speaking of the officiating, how frustrating is it when you watch games and you see all these chicken shit roughing the passer penalties? Do you think at this point there's anything these guys can do to avoid it, or is it something where it's just gotten to the point where it's like, hey, you're going to get dinged up for something like this when we all know

it shouldn't be called? Oh, my gosh so i mean football is basically a series of small car accidents let's call it what it is people are running 15 miles per hour into each other it It's a physical sport. You can't expect a guy 300 pounds that's wrestling with another 300-pound man, getting him off of him, running as fast as he can to kind of just hit the quarterback softly and lay him on a pillow. You can't expect that from a 300-pound man who drives a minivan,

who has kids that he has to feed. You can't expect a man to come with all of that power and just press on the brakes like that. Cut the man some slack. They said, oh, you can't drop all of your weight down on the quarterback are you kidding me what do you expect me to do you expect me to hit him and somehow be able to put on the brake from somewhere and gently lay him down like it is um they need fat people on the board people gotta speak up for us i i appreciate that you know i do appreciate that it's an absurd

call and i think intent should be something that's looked at there you know like i think the ref should be like okay he at least tried to not bury his entire weight through you know like as opposed to they're calling like well it looked like a little bit too much of his weight was on there it's like did he try not to kill the guy? Because he could have. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I think the intent. That's why you need fat people on there, so then they can explain, like, hey, look, bro. If we go in one way, it's hard to, like, go back another way. And then college, with the helmet to helmet stuff, there's a lot of times you're running full speed,

and you see a guy duck. And so you're gonna you're gonna get low too and then like they're like oh this guy's out of the game and then you got to sit on the whole half for the next they need to stop that man like sometimes people come through spearing and that and then sometimes it's blatantly like you like you see it you know what i mean but sometimes you also got to act like you've played the game before. Yeah. Like, if somebody goes low, you're going to go low with them.

Yeah. And you're trying to get your head out of the way so that we won't get caught. But at the same time, it's like, what do you do? Do I allow this guy to score a touchdown? Because if I try to tackle him, it's going to be, you know, helmet to helmet. They're going to throw me out the game. So they need to get rid of all of that stuff, man think honestly spice intent should be something that is just viewed like i think intent should be there because if the level changes on a guy and they have to duck naturally

they have to duck by the way and you're saying 15 miles an hour people are getting clocked at like 22 miles an hour now like humans are at a fucking insane spot right now. You got 275-pound dudes running four sixes and four sevens and four fives. Like, it is absurd how fast it's going. If the intent isn't there to get at somebody, I just don't think. You know, I just, but then now you're, hey, these refs, Spice, now you're putting intent judgment in these refs' hands, some of which should not be in front of five people, let alone 70,000 people making massive fucking decisions, Spice.

That's a problem in and of five people, let alone 70,000 people making massive fucking decisions, Spice. That's a problem in and of itself. Yeah, a ref at the Florida State game was eating Skittles. Get the call right. You sit in there eating Skittles. Get the call right. Nobody wants to be a ref anymore, and I understand why. But I think they should get

tech and help them out. We're talking to Spice Adams, obviously, absolute international superstar. Global sensation. Hell yeah. Matt, cut it out. Fucking in shape. By that, I mean keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was about to compliment your physique right now and how fit you are and how handsome and glowing you are, but you told me to stop, so I can't fucking say it. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Spice, when you were in the league, was comedy and acting and that whole thing kind of something you were looking forward to and knew that you were going to get into or at what point did you kind of start realizing like oh shit i got something here i'm going to run with this i had absolutely no plan at all and my production company is called no plan productions oh because I absolutely had no plan this

was this was not in the cards at all I did I went back to school to George Washington University I got my executive master's of business administration and I thought that I was gonna own some type of business or something like that I was gonna do some franchising and like all this other type stuff but then the opportunity presented itself with the chicago bears to do a show out here locally called inside the bears i've been doing now for nine seasons and then you know ballers came along and did some episodes on detroiters with sam richardson and tim robinson and you know but my claim to fame was being on the pad mac ohee show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Spice.

We don't want to hear you. I mean, I've traded lines with The Rock. You know, I've met Kevin Hart and different things. But to be on the Pat McAfee show. No, no, I don't think you host a podcast with Shaq. No, no, I think you host a podcast with Shaq right now. I mean, I think you actually host a podcast with Shaq. No, no, I think you host a podcast with Shaq right now. I mean, I think you actually host a podcast with Shaq right now. Yeah, I do a podcast with Shaq every week and Michelle Turner.

No big deal. It's awesome. It's awesome. Yeah. Yet, to be on the panel. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, A lot of people can't say that. That, that, that.

A lot of people not Aaron Rodgers. You know what I'm saying? Ah, well, hey, listen. We are very lucky that he comes and talks to us. Oh, yeah. I mean, we are very lucky that he comes and talks to us. You're getting some stuff that nobody can get, bro. Yeah, it makes no sense.

It's the dumbest life of all time. Nobody do it. Like, you got a way of getting things out of people, bro. No, no, no. It's amazing the dumbest life of all time. You got a way of getting things out of people, bro. No, no, no. It's amazing. No, that's because they're talking to an idiot. They know it. For instance, I have a studio that has full construction going on. What's that?

Peyton was right. What'd you say? Peyton was right. Oh, my guy. Peyton's a good guy. Idiot kicker. That wasn't me. No, no, no. That was not me. Do not link me with that story. No, no, no. That's a bad one. That is not a good one to be a good guy. Idiot kicker. That wasn't me. No, no, no. That was not me. Do not link me with that story. No, no, no. That's a bad one.

That is not a good one to be a part of. Go ahead, Tony. Go ahead, Tony. Spice, I saw a story last week from Brandon Marshall. Said that he had to call Jay Cutler and loan 60K from Jay. You ever get stuck in a situation where you had to call Jay and get a bunch of money from? No, I can't say that I have. And if I did, it probably, I wouldn't call Jay and get a bunch of money from? No, I can't say that I have. And if I did, it probably, I wouldn't call Jay.

Jeez. Jeez. And you know what? Jay is pretty cool, man. Like, Jay, P.O., like, everybody that the media portrays as like villains are really the coolest people in the world, T.O., like everybody that the media portrays as villains

are really the coolest people in the world, dude. So I don't understand why Jay gets the rep that he gets or T.O. gets the rep that he gets. These are great dudes, man. Well, not as great as you, dude. I want to let you know that. Blessing us with your time from your minivan with a sunroof today, Spice. You already all follow him on Instagram.

The man is a magic maker. He just released a film, a four-minute film on his Instagram of old heads going to get a smoke. It was scored as if it was a Scorsese flick. I mean, it was fucking unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen, Spice Adams. Thank you, Spice. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day today. Thanks to Chuck, thanks to Spice,

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