The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 509 - Aaron Rodgers Tuesday Week 4, Monday Night Football Recap, Michael Lombardi, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about last night's Monday Night Football game between the Chargers and the Raiders, the rain delay that pushed the game back 30 minutes, Justin Herbert being an absolute dude, Joey Bosa's comments about Derek Carr after the game, and all the fallout from the Urban Meyer situation in Jacksonville, with reports coming out that his time could be coming to an end there already. Joining the program for week 4, coming off a big win against the Pittsburgh Steelers, is the QB of the Green Bay Packers, Aaron Rodgers. Pat, Aaron, and AJ chat about this weekend's game, his moment with Mike Tomlin, Randall Cobb's performance and getting him back into the fold, and much much more, before he reveals the fifth book of the Aaron Rodgers book club (29:43-1:13:28). Next, 3x Super Bowl Champion, former GM for the Cleveland Browns, a special assistant to the coaching staff of the New England Patriots, host of the GM Shuffle podcast, The Lombardi Line, author of the Daily Coach, Michael Lombardi joins the show. Pat and Michael chat about what he's hearing from Jacksonville and why he thinks Urban is out the door, why he was doomed to fail from the get go, his thoughts on Matt Nagy in Chicago, if all the Brady Belichick stuff was a joke leading into the Sunday Night game, and more (1:13:32-1:33:23). Later, Pat and AJ chat about all the different stories circulating around the NFL and put a bow on the Urban Meyer discussion (1:36:50-2:13:17). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Aaron Rodgers Tuesday, October 5th, 2021 years after the year zero. I think you're going to enjoy the hell out of today. Michael Lombardi joins us. Obviously, Aaron does. AJ Hawk. The boys are on fire. Let's have an incredible Tuesday. If you enjoy the show by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend.

If not, just act like it never, ever happened. All right, deal. Let's get to it. And I want to let you know, my gambling picks are back. Hell yeah! I didn't just pick the Chargers minus three last night because A.J. Hawk, one of the best prognosticators on earth, picked the Chargers minus three. No, no, no.

I did it because I did a deep dive into both teams, and I thought that the Chargers were going to be a better team on Monday Night Football in front of Steve Levy, Comedian Greasy, and Louis Riddick, and the incredible crew at ESPN that had no manning cast. I thought there was a good chance that this Chargers team was going to be able to show up and show out. I'll tell you, they did. Oh, yeah. Hey, this Chargers team was a lot of fun to watch, and Justin Herbert is a fucking baller. I think he's the only quarterback, or the third quarterback of some sort in the last however to have three touchdowns and zero

interceptions in uh I think like six six games this guy in his 19 games he has three touchdowns zero interceptions six out of the 19 games he's played this guy is unbelievable an absolute stud he wanted to move to Los Angeles whenever he was a kid. They showed us that on Monday Night Football. So he's always wanted to be a star, even though he was an introverted personality person. There's no other reason why you want to go to L.A. as a kid. Maybe you like the weather, I guess, but I think everybody normally says, I'm going to go to Los Angeles to be a star. I'm going to go to Los Angeles to maybe get into the entertainment business.

The fact that Herbert as a child wanted to move to Los Angeles made me chuckle to myself. Because all the conversation was is that he could not handle the big city. He wasn't a motivator. He wasn't this. He wasn't that. The guy's like 6'10". A fucking savage. Huge.

And has done nothing but ball out as soon as he got thrown into a game 15 minutes before it started. Or 5 minutes before it started because a golf tee was shoved in the starting quarterback's lung. Fun to watch this Chargers team. Austin Eckler, front of the show, was getting loose out there. And then on the flip side of there, the Raiders, not a bad team. No. Not a bad team. I mean, Joe Bosa came out and said, Derek Carr, look a little soft out there.

You say, we got a couple hits on him early. He looked like he was a little going into the fetal position. You guys saw it. We had him a little bit rattled. That's something that's going to be talked about in the NFL quarterback world forever anyways. And Derek Carr, there's always a certain conversation around Derek Carr. For whatever reason, he doesn't have any guaranteed money after this year with the Raiders, which is fascinating because if you listen to the Raiders fans,

he should be the franchise for the next 10 years. For whatever reason, the Raiders haven't figured that out. He made some plays. Darren Waller, an absolute superstar. He should be the franchise for the next 10 years. For whatever reason, the Raiders haven't figured that out. He made some plays. Darren Waller, an absolute superstar. Carlson, the kicker, and Cole, the punter, are great. And John Gruden's always entertaining as hell. But last night, I think the Chargers proved that without a doubt, they're a better team. I think the Chargers proved that without a doubt, their stadium might be, you know, the dumbest stadium in the NFL.

By far. Now, listen, I know it was mostly the Rams owner's money. Kroenke spent $5 billion on that stadium. It looks like a spaceship. It's brought to you by a bank, SoFi Stadium. It has a cool name, cool look. I didn't know it wasn't a dome. That's just a fucking canopy.

They built a goddamn metal canopy over the top of that thing that was not a dome because there was photos coming from inside the stadium which i thought we had already seen all of that there is free air kind of coming through the sides up there on top and they could have never expected that type of storm in los angeles except for the first monday night football game for the chargers in that stadium, that 35-minute delay was quite a clusterfuck. Imagine paying $5 billion on a car that didn't have the windows and the capability to go up. You know what I mean?

That's basically what it was. They had the roof. They had the bottom. They had something. Just one of the windows couldn't come up, couldn't go down. So that means we can't play the fucking game. Even though the TV crew stays on the field. Have to.

No fans left. Nope. Delay the game 35 minutes it's safety hey safety gotta do what you gotta do but i think at home i was like this game's already starting a bit late yeah all right here on the east coast i know over there there are potentially good news because people are sitting in that la traffic got to get to the stadium mostly the raiders fans by the way yeah that was a very loud raiders crowd because you know back in the day it was the Los Angeles Raiders still a you know a staple of that community I'd assume as is a lot of other teams and the Chargers if they continue to win they'll be able to build that but I did not expect SoFi Stadium to be the biggest embarrassment of the Monday Night Football I

thought it was going to be a showtime for SoFi because all the cool things that ESPN does and the access they get. We've seen 8K cameras in the commentator booth at this SoFi stadium. We've seen the suites and the lounges, and it was supposed to be $2 billion. It ended up being $5 billion. I mean, Kroenke was just pouring out money,

hand over fist. L.A. real estate is obviously absurd, let alone building this high caliber state-of-the-art stadium that was beautiful i remember that that fucking jumbo tron had lost power and ended up looking like all of our tvs whenever something gets unplugged it's huge and it's massive that thing is gorgeous it seems like there isn't a bad seat in the house there's things to do it's beautiful's beautiful. Can't take a pretty basic-ass storm.

It's nusting. LA's in the middle of a drought, I guess, for a long time. The rain is a good thing. I think rain is a good thing for everybody. I understand that the lightning was coming or whatever, but that's why you have a roof on your house. The 35-minute

delay leading into that game was a little bit of a downer, but the Chargers turned it around for me. Talks with tables here. I just can't wait to hear your thoughts on Monday Night Football with no Manning cast, at Boston Connor, at Ty Schmidt. Ty, you first. Your thoughts on the game last night, the coverage, everything like that. That 35-minute delay was fucking befuddling.

Damn near took me out of it. It really did. I mean, I was on the couch ready for the game to start, and then I see, oh, you know, we're not kicking off until 9 p.m., and I kind of dozed off and then woke back up, and you have to get back into it. You sound like an old-ass man, but I felt the exact same way. Yeah, it really was.

I feel like I'm fucking 90 years old, by the way. I saw that delay, and I'm like, I ain't ever going to make it to the fourth quarter. You get to that point in the night where it's like, hey, if we start at 820 here, that's going to give me a little bit of juice. I'm going to be back into it. And then, you know, you're just waiting 40 minutes. And they didn't know what the hell was going on on the field. Like they kind of just had 40 minutes of it's like, well,

what the hell do we do now? So, I mean, Hunter Renfro is just a football player. So, he was awesome. But outside of that, that really did take me out of it. I mean, you know, I watched the first half and then just said, screw it. I mean, it was 14-0. Whoa. You didn't watch the second half.

Couldn't do it. Can't take anything this guy said seriously about Derek Carr. He just said he didn't watch the second half. Wow. I mean, it was like 2 in the morning at that point. This guy did not watch the second half. At Boston, Connor stayed up to watch that entire thing. Got some late-night text messages from you.

Your big takeaway, you love Justin Herbert, huh? I love Justin Herbert. It makes sense that he was a rookie of the year. And, of course, the Finns passed on him. Comedy, I mean, most teams did. How about Tom Telesco? We talked to him, GM of the Chargers. He said, sitting at five, we felt good about all three quarterbacks

that were potentially going to go in the top five. We didn't think Washington was going to take quarterback. They ended up taking Chase Young. We didn't think Detroit was going to take quarterback. They ended up taking a corner, I believe, right? Kuda. Kuda. So Tom Telesco told us, five or six, wherever they were, didn't think Detroit was going to take quarterback. They ended up taking a corner, I believe, right? Kuda. Kuda.

So Tom Telesco told us, five or six, wherever they were, they said, we felt really good about all the quarterbacks because Joey Burrow was obviously everybody's consensus number one, but they had to scout just in case something happens, like the Mac Jones situation at three to fall to 15 or whatever. So Tom Telesco literally said, whoever the Dolphins took, who was one pick ahead of us, we were perfectly content on drafting the other quarterback the Dolphins choose Tua so the Tom Telesco goes great we love Justin Herbert

we're gonna draft Justin Herbert if they would have drafted the Dolphins would have drafted Justin Herbert Tom Telesco said all right great we got Tua what a vastly different life those two would be living I mean a vastly different life those two would be living. I mean, a vastly different life. I mean, Justin Herbert, whole different world, obviously. Miami, L.A., two different worlds. It's not his dream town to grow up in that he wrote when he was 10 years old on a piece of paper. I spelled a couple words wrong in there. Nobody really brought that up.

What an idiot. Dumb, dumb. Actually, I don't think he did. I don't think he did. I don't think everything made sense. But just Dolphins dolphins fans i think that is exactly where fins up went immediately and maybe it's too early to judge tua of course maybe maybe it's still too early to judge tua yeah remember josh allen josh allen in the most recent history

year one he looked like okay this guy great athlete maybe we put him on special teams though you know like maybe this guy is returning kicks. He's 6'6". He's jumping over people. Maybe he should be a wide receiver. Let's do this. We get huge arm. Awesome. We can do throwbacks with him. I mean, I thought that was potentially his outcome.

And I don't think that's a little harsh, I think. But honestly, he was not good at quarterback his rookie year. All the intangibles were there. Big arm. Seemed to be incredibly confident. Calm. His teammates loved him wildly athletic but for whatever reason couldn't do year two got a little bit better than year

three it was like oh my god here we go this is a guy here so i don't want to say you know that is have have dolphins fans lost hope on tua but i think whenever you see what justin herbert's been able to accomplish six times three touchdowns zero interceptions in his first 19 games, and then you hear Tua's going through some shit, let alone, you know, he's injured. Sometimes it was organizational issues. I mean, who knows what the hell's going on. But Justin Herbert has to be very pumped with the team that he has over there.

Yeah, because, I mean, he has the offensive line now, the weapons. And for Tua, it's like we obviously can speculate, but when the owner's coming out saying he wants to show on Watson, that's not speculation. That's just us listening to who the leader of that organization is saying. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, we don't know. Did he say it or did sources say he said it?

I thought he said it. Sources said he said it. Sources said he said it. So I'm going to trust the sources. That's what I usually do. Well, but all the sources. There was smoke, right? There was a lot of smoke coming from that.

And when there's smoke, there's fire. Somewhere. Yeah. Had to be at least a spark to cause something to do a little bit of a ha. That's right. Now, we know that there is, and we try to wave through the bullshit waters every single day. Of course. But know that it is murky.

You know, and it is tough sometimes to find. A lot of shit. You know, the piece of wood that Jack could have definitely laid on with Rose. That's true. I mean, that's what we're trying to find in this bullshit water that we're waving through is a door that is definitely large enough for two people, especially if I love them. Yeah. Yeah.

Deeply. What a raging bitch. Does anybody talk about that enough? Probably not. Probably not enough. Probably not. But hey, she threw that $50 million back in the water anyway. That's right.

She did. Shout out to Rose dude hell of a story Thank you Rose Why did Jack die though there's no reason He could have got right up on the god damn door It was cold What if they both survive They make it what if they go on to be

They could have changed that outcome It could have been like an American dream tale at the end That this couple came together on the Titanic Pretty easily but I mean hey that's the Titanic, baby. You know? That's just what they say. To your point about stuff they could have changed, I'll tell you what came back to life last night. A lot of people dogging the broadcast on Monday Night Football.

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. A lot of people. Not me. I got to get back. Because we are, you know, waving the bullshit waters.

But when numerous sources are reporting the same thing, it's hard not to be like, OK, everybody is either hearing it from the same person or everybody has different people that are saying a similar thing. So we try to do that. Sources did say a lot that they were trying to move on from Tua. Tua gets hurt. The initial reports is that he wasn't injured at all. He just got carted off for no injury. It's not serious it's like who the fuck is letting that out or the miami dolphins letting that pr out because then it turns out he has

hairline fractures in his ribs or whatever the case is but i understand what you're saying now let's get to your monday night manning list yeah monday night football uh experience why why were you so what's the deal what they're just calling a goddamn game well i mean they try to call the game you know and then usually there's a couple things that steers them in a different direction like oh what did you major in in college and it goes down that route for a little and then you know greasy and the graphics they you know the graphics department over there man everybody needs to be getting all the money in the world because what they're doing is changing the game they They had Justin Herbert. Did you see this?

Dancing a little bit. He was two-stepping along. Oh, man, it was unbelievable. Yeah, I think he should probably sue ESPN for doing that to him. What? Absolutely. Why? Why?

He was two-stepping out there. I mean, he was getting after it, you know? That doesn't seem like something he would do. And Greasy said he was in the middle, had a bunch of burgers in his stomach, too. Yeah, they made him look like Gumby, though. Herbert's like 6'6 and yoked up, and he looks like an absolute stooge with like a humpback doing his little dance. And then Gruden, too.

They put Chucky next to Gruden in his little graphic when they started to make a comeback. Well, and I assume Gruden does know everybody over at the Monday Night Football Department. I don't know if it's a great relationship, not a great relationship. Maybe they just did a Chucky thing for whatever. But Herbert, you're right herbert is a stud yeah he is a stallion of a human being and not only him that team is hey they got weapons over there oh yeah legit hey go bolts they got weapons over there i mean they didn't even really get to a

couple of their weapons last night as much as they had in the past couple weeks but as soon as they start clicking on all cylinders over there, and Austin Eckler is a fucking maniac as well. Derwin James is a player on the defensive side of the ball. Bosa is obviously an absolute game wrecker. I mean, they got a squad over there. And Ty Long, the punter, has a cannon. He has a fucking cannon, dude.

Where's number one? I love that. Captain of the squad. Love that. How you doing? Keep moving, Ty Long. Great leader of men over there for the Los Angeles Chargers. They noticed in the middle of a fourth and 11 punt in the pooch area that, you know,

the Raiders didn't have anybody covering left gunner. Now, people could wonder at a time like this, if there's nobody covering the gunner, why they wouldn't do that. Well, maybe they're trying to bring out an all-out blitz or maybe they're trying to get the chargers to bring down the gunner so that you know out of fear of a rush coming so you bring down the gunner to block somebody to block the corner that just came down and in doing so it is going to be impossible to get that person out because they're trapped in there especially in a pooch situation you can get them to not have a gunner so it's probably a touchback or at least a return outside of the 20. So there might've been a little head games

going on, whatever the case, Matt Overton, long snapper of the Chargers and Ty Long noticed that there was potential. I don't know if they checked it to himself. If it's an always on audible, if there's nobody covering the gunner, you can throw it. But after some film research, I think what the Chargers realized was that the Raiders only had 10 dudes on the field. Okay. So the corner that was supposed to be out on the gunner on the left side was not on the field. It was eight in the box. It was a single cover on the gunner to the right. There's one returner. You do the math. That's eight plus two is 10. There's 11 on a field. So they didn't have enough men on the field for that so hunter renfro

who the returner i think everybody has seen this like in high school games or whatever the case the returner will count right and see if you're missing somebody if there's too many run off the field right so the returner's job is like how many and then you run off the field if there's too many and so they can't get uh 12 men on the field or whatever. So Hunter Renfroe had to look. See, he knows that they're in an eight-man box, so he knows that each gunner is single-covered. So Hunter Renfroe had to look out at the gunners first, which is how you easily tell whether it's eight-man, six-man, or seven-man boxes by looking at the gunners.

That's quickly how a punter can tell whether they're probably going to bring it or not. For instance, if you see two people on each gunner, that means there's six in a box, quick math. If they have a returner back there, you can probably move up to about 13 feet and steal a yard off the back, or 13 yards, steal a yard off the back end because they're not bringing a rush.

It's a clear hold-up situation. Just a little trick of the trade to steal some yards on the back end. That was a really good day whenever I found out I could do that, by the way. But anyways, he fucking guns that thing, and Hunter Renfro makes one of the best football plays I've seen in some time,

because if they do have nobody on the gunner, and they have the corner down in to rush, Renfro's job is to potentially look for a throw to the uncovered gunner or whatever. Instead, this was him realizing they were in a bad situation, we don't have enough people, oh shit, 25, 30-yard sprint. Helmet on ball.

Perfect breakup of a dime of a pass from Ty Long. I mean, obviously a nightmare for the brand, but you can't help but tip your cap to the guy, Hunter Renfro, who looks like a 65-year-old man who was just an absolute stud out of Clemson for the Oakland Raiders. Or Las Vegas. Yeah, Las Vegas. Las Vegas Raiders.

In Los Angeles. In Los Angeles. A lot of fans there, too. A lot ofiders. Or Las Vegas. Yeah, Las Vegas. Las Vegas Raiders. In Los Angeles. In Los Angeles. A lot of fans there, too. A lot of Los Angeles Raiders fans still. Yeah, it was loud when the Chargers were on offense. But also Renfro coming back and scoring a touchdown in the third quarter, which basically put them back in the game for a little bit, and then it kind of faded out.

But Renfro's destined for New England. I was about to say. What's that all about? I mean, come on. You guys can catch touchdowns. You can lay people out on special teams. He looks like a combination of Slater and Welker and Edelman into one. I mean, come on.

Put the Patriots uniform on. Gruden's probably going to get sick of you in a month or two anyways because that's what Gruden does and let Belichick pay you next year. Come on, Hunter. I love it. Is he going to end a contract here next year? I think he might have two more years. And you've got to remember, Mayock loved him, right? Mayock was the one that drafted him out of Clemson, and Mayock was the one that is on, Hunter. You'll love it. Is he going into contract here next year? I think he might have two more years. And you've got to remember, Mayock

loved him, right? Mayock was the one that drafted him out of Clemson and Mayock was the one that is on his side. So that means Mike would have to let him go too even though everybody knows Gruden's recalling all the shots everywhere. That's right. Hey, you're still a good football team at Raiders team. Yeah. Still a good football team. You're good players. Hey, everybody on Earth

was on the Chargers minus three last night at Tone Diggs, host of Hammerdown, which runs 15 minutes after this show ends every Monday through Friday. It felt good. We're all on the same side. We all won. That was a nice little Monday, wasn't it, Tone? It did feel good, and it was a soak.

So we just put our feet up, and we just watched the game and enjoyed it. There was really no sweat at all. What's the shirt? Is that the Duquesne shirt or what is that? No, it's the Ole Miss Running Rebels. Ole Miss? Yeah. Yesterday, I had Ben Roethlisberger's shirt on.

Support the current. Support the Hall of Famer. Today, I support the future. You guys are going to have to get real low, right? Matt Corral is going to have to. You guys are going to have to really suck low, right? Matt Corral is going to have to. You guys are going to have to really suck. Maybe. That might happen, Pat.

Because Corral is going to be a high draft pick, right? That's what everybody's saying. He's going to be like the guy. I got a Liberty jersey coming tomorrow just in case. And Aaron's coming on today. We don't take Corral. Who's Liberty? Wills.

Willis. Okay. Willis. This is where you're at as a Steelers fan. By the way, this is one season. Crazy. This is one beginning of a season. Malik Willis, yeah.

He's supposed to be one overall. I said, hey, we're probably not going to get one overall. Take Corral. Okay. So, Malik Willis is at Liberty. Yep. And then Matt Corral's at Ole Miss. Yep.

And you're already trying to support all the – This is what it's like in Pittsburgh with one – They haven't lost in 18 years. They haven't had a losing season. They're staring down suck this year. Okay, they're in transition phase. I mean, there's a lot that can be not great. Listen to what he's doing.

He's already trying to support future quarterbacks of the team. Next year, he's already pulling for colleges now that aren't his own. I've never heard him mention Ole Miss's name once. Lane Kiffin came on. He loved Lane Kiffin. Loved Lane Kiffin. Never talked about him again. Tone is that checked out of this Pittsburgh Steelers.

That's not true. Evan Fox, do you not think to yourself as a Detroit Lions fan who has this season every single season, do you not think like what mental weakness is going on with T Tony Diggs in Pittsburgh right now? I'll tell you what, if I can give Tony some advice or something to look forward to is that on Sundays, you don't have to stress at all anymore.

That's not true. You know that you're going to lose the game. Actually winning the game stinks because you're like, wow, that's going to affect our draft pick. So I kind of like what Tony's doing. Welcome to my side, Tony. Don, this is just like when we were kids. We went down there to

PNC Park. We knew they were going to lose. They win, we celebrate. That's what we did. You go down there, you tailgate, you play flip cup with a lady for three hours, four hours, five hours. Then you ask her, like, hey, congrats on the baby. Is it a man, a boy or a girl? Then you go into PNC.

That's terrible. Don't do that. Then you go into PNC Park. You watch a game. They lose by 10. What a day. All right. That's not the type of fan I am for any of my teams. So you guys are spinning this around in a negative that I should have fucking seen. You're wearing a shirt.

I should have seen this coming. What's that? I should have seen this coming. What? You guys spinning this into this fashion. Well, we're just trying to tell you to accept the reality. You're doing it. I have never accepted reality.

I am fully mentally weak. You know that. You don't believe in seven anymore. Come on. No, I do. I supported him yesterday. You got to support him every day. Yeah, he sees you right now.

He doesn't look at a lot of other things anymore these days, but he sees you. No, that's not him. That was him for a long time. You're actually supporting getting him the fuck out of town. That's crazy. No, that's not him. That was him for a long time. You're actually supporting getting him the fuck out of town. No, the Roonies came out and said, we're not the ones that are certain that this is Ben's last year.

It might not be his last year. All I'm saying is this is crazy that you're already doing this four weeks in. This is like Urban Meyer trying to sabotage his own NFL career four weeks in. This is kind of weird. There is a statement coming out of that whole situation. And who would we be, by the way, if we didn't cover that? Have to.

One of 32. Okay? There's only a select group of people that can become head coaches in the greatest league of all time. That's right. And it doesn't matter what you've done before this league. What matters is what you do in this league, the men's league, the varsity league. Now, college football is obviously very difficult to succeed in. Oh, yeah, that's right.

There's only been a few that have really mastered it, and Urban Meyer was one of them. And congrats to Urban Meyer on his incredible college football success. Yeah, that a boy, Urban. But I think his arrogance, waltzing into Jacksonville and acting and behaving the way that he has. And listen, I am no perfect individual. I was walking down the street in a state that was worse than Urban was in while he was doing his finger gun dance on Saturday when I got a public intoxication. But we are also not the leader of grown ass men in the NFL. We are also not peers with Bill Belichick and Andy Reed and Mike Tomlin.

Like we are not people that are head coaches in the NFL because when you're a head coach in the NFL, not only do you have to lead men, but you have to be respected by the men in which you lead because guess what? They're getting paid a lot of fucking money too. they've been very good at football for a long time they probably have a similar football iq as you if not better than you especially when it comes to nfl football and you have to earn their respect their trust and you can't be looking like a uh unselfaware stooge on a weekend at your whiskey house. There it is.

Okay. Wasn't the pint thing from Latin America. It wasn't the pint house. It was Irvin's Whiskey Place. That'll do it. He's got two. That'll do it. So that's a question in and of itself, but I like that he's a restaurateur looking to

build his business, whatever the case is. There's stories now coming out of Jacksonville. the case is there's stories now coming out of jacksonville lomba who will be joining us in about five minutes michael lombardi of the um the daily coach newsletter that i get email that i get every day it is awesome great motivating and inspiring the gm shuffle podcast a lombardi line he put out a tweet that he's his sources are telling him that things are brewing and it could get ugly down in Jacksonville. According to two Jacksonville sources, says Michael Lombardi, there are many closed-door meetings happening over the last two days

in the football offices, and none of them have anything to do with the Titans. Stay tuned. This might get ugly, says Lombardi. Once again, we'll be talking to him in about four minutes to see what more we can get out of him about this particular thing. But that was not it. Michael Silver of the NFL Network, a man who I don't think I necessarily have had any good relationship with.

I don't really know him at all personally, but he has taken some shots across the ballot. Me, I think a few times. Whatever the case. He says that his sources are telling him the players laughed Urban Meyer out of these meetings, basically. His sources. Now, who knows what the sources.

These are all anonymous sources. We don't know shit about fuck about any of this, okay? We don't know if any of this is real. Anytime you have anonymous sources, you don't know 100% what the truth is. But Michael Silver said that the players kind of have lost some respect for Urban because on Monday they canceled the meeting.

Urban Meyer canceled the meeting on Monday that they were supposed to have after Thursday Night Football because of what they were dealing with. So the players thought that he was embarrassed or kind of immature, like, hey, we're still having a fucking meeting here. Because this is the professionals and uh if we win guess what we all make a lot of money uh players were also particularly put off by the fact that meyer canceled monday's team meeting as he dealt with the uproar over the videos of him and a young woman getting cozy at ohio bar he even canceled

the team meeting he was too scared a player said to michael silver he was too scared to step in front of the room by the way because it's much different than the room in which you control everybody's scholarships and it's much different than the room in which you can literally ruin people's lives and trajectories and you have all the power you are the dictator you control the entire schedule whenever you talk about grown grown men you're talking about people that are like oh this guy's fucking up my life yeah you know what i mean but if he would have attacked it face on, I think the players would have had a lot more respect.

They lost respect because of the fact that he canceled the meeting. Instead, Meyer only apologized to position groups individually. He portrayed the woman in videos as a random person who was just there dancing.

Suffice to say, his audience was highly skeptical. Said one player, we looked at him like, what the fuck? Right when he left, everyone started dying laughing. So literally, he comes in.

Boys, I got a little, you know, they caught me doing stuff on the internet. I don't want to be a distraction. It's all about winning football games down here, as you've heard me say. Coach, a couple quick questions here. Who, where were you? And who was it? Oh, that's my bar. Yeah, I have a bar.

I got a whiskey place. I have a dance thing. And the girl's just some, you know, random woman my bar. Yeah, I have a bar. I got a whiskey place. I have a dance thing and a girl's just some, you know, random woman dancer. You saw her dancing around or whatever. Could have been anywhere

or whatever. Thank you so much. Let's get back to work and let's beat the Titans. Oh, okay. And then he shuts the door and then threw the doors.

So Urban Meyer is walking out of there. All right, thank you guys. Let's get to work. And shuts the door. And then that laughing thing happens. And he just has to go. No. He just walks away.

How do you stand in front of the team after you've been laughed out of a fucking room already? Yeah, you don't. You can't. Yeah. You literally can't. That's going to be tough. I guess if anybody can do it, you know who can? Urban Meyer can do it.

I just, there's people calling for his job, obviously. They're saying that there's a chance that they were going to potentially move on from Urban Meyer. There's been a lot of reports that the players now are disinterested in the whole situation because, you know, we're adults. We're all trying to make a living here. We're all trying to

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I mean, what the hell is going on? Now that the world's opening back up, so many new thrills are on the horizon. Okay. And whether you've been in a relationship for years or just getting started, we're excited to get back out there and meet new people. Hell yeah. When the moment comes, let's not come too quick.

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I literally look forward to. I wake up on Tuesday mornings and I think to myself, what a fucking joke that I get to have the conversation that I'm about to have this afternoon

with a man who's the reigning MVP of the NFL. Fresh off of a win over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hell yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah! What's up, dude?

Hey, buddy. Hey, why'd you shave? What are we doing? Why'd you shave? Does that have something to do with the costume or everybody? It was kind of a conversation piece there early on Sunday. Just mixing it up man just whenever the grays get a little too overpowering i think hey let me just cut them

back yeah i got that down here at the bottom that means we're distinguished you know what i mean i think that means that we're distinguished but also you look baby faced right now all of a sudden with this shave fresh off a a big win over the steelers wearing a power lift shirt you know because you like to get under the bar and squat around. How do you feel going into week five? How's the body feel? How's the mind feel? Yeah, body and mind feel good.

I like where our team's at. We've played a couple of really good defenses back-to-back. Scored 30 and scored 27. Two wins, you know, without, shoot, without David Bakhtiari, without Elton Jenkins, Jair getting hurt, no Zedarius Smith. I feel pretty good about our team right now. Yeah, as you should. Go ahead, AJ.

Hey, what about, though, you know, during that game, you were openly flirting with Mike Tomlin from the field. You weren't really focused in the moment, but, you know, I'll give you a pass for that. What was that about, and did you guys get to talk after the game? I'm a big Mike Tomlin fan. I have been for a long time. I like the way that he speaks about his team.

I like the way that he goes about his business. You know, I like his confidence. You know, I've heard nothing but good things from guys that have played there. I like Mike Tomlin. And I also liked it, you know, I've heard nothing but good things from guys that have played there. I like Mike Tomlin. And I also liked it, you know, he called that timeout. We tried to catch him at 12 on the field. He was kind of smirking about it. I liked that.

I respect that. A little gamesmanship there because I think he had to sprint, by the way, to the left. So I think he had to sprint down there and get it. You obviously realizing it was him that called the timeout. I think Matt Patricia has told us the story of staring you down, trying to see who would make a move first whenever he was at Detroit and he was running the defenses. Is there any other coaches that you've had those types of moments

where they understand and you understand that this is open Sicilian, this is closed Sicilian, this is chest right now? Is there any other moments other than just the Tomlin one that we saw? There's been some back and forth with guys over the years, mostly guys that I don't really like. One guy that I do like, Rod Marinelli, he is, you know, he's been league forever. And his, I believe his daughter is married to our defensive coordinator. That's the whole connection there.

But Rod, you know, he would flip me off from time to time on the field, and I'd flip him off right back. We had some fun back and forth, but I'm a big Rod Marinelli fan, and I loved some of the comments that would come my way from him. Competitive guy for sure, super competitive, but a good human I think at his core. Well, I don't know if whenever you and Rod Marinelli were telling each other to fuck off, the exact same conversations were happening after you and Tomlin had your moment

because that continued to feed the flames of Aaron Rodgers going to be a Pittsburgh Steeler. Pittsburgh would vote you mayor of Pittsburgh right now if you wanted to be the mayor of Pittsburgh right now. So much so that we even got a message from a prominent Pittsburgher who we wanted to share with you, Aaron Rodgers. Hey, Rodgers. Yeah, I seen you was giving love to Pittsburgh last week, but I figured out your angle.

You get the whole time to lower its guard, butter it in a sup, and then bam, you slice through our defense like it's a hot Permanee sandwich. The next time, go a little easier on us. You put us down like that dog at the end of Marley and Me. And if you do ever want to come to Pittsburgh, we got a lot to offer. For example, we put fries on everything. They'll even put them in your blizzard down at Dairy Queen's. And secondly, you're never more than two minutes away from cell phone repair or a vape shop

that used to be a pizza hut. True. You like Jeopardy, right? The Steelers can offer this to Aaron Rodgers in terms of pass protection. And it's away from cell phone repair or a vape shop that used to be a pizza hut. True. You like Jeopardy, right? The Steelers can offer this to Aaron Rodgers in terms of pass protection. What is a wet paper towel? Sorry, who is G's Louise? And what has Green Bay got that's so special anyhow?

Cheese. We'll get you a Lunchable when you get here. Them got cheese in them. And hey, AJ Hawk. That ain't sound made up. What are you, some kind of G.I. Joe? Your parents a couple of military helicopters. Bottom line, Aaron, you're over in time. We'll take you out for a beer. Hey, maybe we'll take you over to McAfee's old stomping grounds near the Golden Mile Highway.

McAfee used to live over here in Plum. More like Prune. That's all old people are here now. And finally, to show our respects, I'm adding an authentic Aaron Rodgers action figure to the game room collection. Look at that. Yeah, I got it from a guy down at Flea Market, who also sells gyros.

I look like Jesus as if he was in the WWF. I don't know why he ain't wearing pants. Is that some kind of weird thing all you people from California do? Anyways, things like this because you and Tomlin flirt, and then you complimenting Pittsburgh. And I think this is going to happen all year no matter what you say.

And shout out to Pittsburgh Dad, by the way. Shout out. Shout out. Pittsburgh Dad, he's the best. We used to watch that. I've been around Pittsburgh people most of my football career. And Alex Van Pelt, also from Pittsburgh, played at Pitt. He got me onto Pittsburgh Dad, and we used to watch those videos,

and those are unbelievable. And, you know, you talk to the coaches who have been around Pittsburgh for a long time, and they're also big fans of Pittsburgh Dad as well. They say that's, you know, the accent's dead on, the stuff he talks about. John Eagle. You know, when he goes, the one when he goes to the water park downtown, they're closing

the ride. Is it Dolly? What is it called? Sandcastle? Are you talking about Sandcastle? No, no, no, no. Kennywood? He's riding some wooden, you know, water log jammer. No, that's no, no. Kenny Wood? He's running some wooden, you know, water. Log jammer. No, that's a Kenny Wood.

Whatever the fucking case. He's great. It was Kenny Wood. It's not closed, by the way. Kenny Wood's still open, Aaron. Jesus. Kenny Wood's open? Yeah, Kenny Wood's open.

It means your fly's down as well around Pittsburgh. But Kenny Wood is still open. The potato patch still exists. We love Pittsburgh, Dad. But these conversations are going to happen about you, right, after what happened this past offseason and with how the season's going to go. And after reading some excerpts of Rom Doss's Be Here Now, you know what I mean?

You've got to be – because no matter where we go in the future, we'll always be where? Right here. Right here. Right here. We'll always be. Is that how you deal with potential outside distractions? Because that's going to get loud.

I mean, in Pittsburgh, it was headline news in the night and in the morning that you were potentially going to be a stealer. Pittsburgh dad, obviously, all worked up. All of Pittsburgh's worked up, especially after the Tomlin thing. That's probably going to happen a couple times this year. Do you ever think about that? Or is it, oh, Rom, Doss, be here in a moment right now. Let's win as much as we can.

It's that, and then you pair it with the book from this week, which I won't tell you. But it's, look, I'm just speaking the truth. Ask me a question about Mike Tomlin. I'm going to tell you how I feel about Mike Tomlin. If you want to take that and run with it and say I'm angling for some sort of next team or something. I'm not. I'm just answering a question about my respect for Mike and what he's accomplished in the league.

And same for, you know, I talked about Ben. A lot of respect for everything he's accomplished over the years. Yeah, I mean, there might be other stories similar to this. But, I mean, there was, I guess, the last two weeks, you know, the Niners, you know, there was conversation, obviously an icy handshake kind of between Kyle and Matt. And they obviously had a conversation around draft day, and there was rumors about that.

And then I say something nice about Mike. I mean, I think Cincinnati's pretty safe because, you know, they've got a good young quarterback, and I don't think they're really interested in that, you know, in the old bull. They've got the young calf right now. Sees my sweat down to my – when she wants to take a ride. Go ahead, AJ.

I got two-parter here. You mentioned earlier you had some good interactions with coaches you like. You don't have to name names, but what kind of interaction do you have with coaches when you guys don't get along or there's some animosity? And also, you said they just asked you a question about Mike Tomlin. Let's say a media member asks you about a coach or somebody that you don't really like. How do you answer that?

Bad boy, AJ. Thank you. It would probably be a short answer. Probably wouldn't be an expansion. I wouldn't talk about, you know, the lot there, you know, many achievements in the league. I might just kind of skip right over that or angle it to another part of the question I feel like I can divert my answer to. I think that's part of question asking.

Even when you ask me some shitty questions or... I can't put Ty in this category, but if Pat asks me something I don't really want to answer, or if Connor might take some part of that and then just angle it a little bit to a different response. There's an art to saying

a lot without saying a whole bunch, and I think that's where the realm you have to live in. If you're trying to be honest all the time and not cliche, you know, and have cliches all over your responses, then sometimes there's a question you can't really expand on. You got to kind of adjust your answers slightly. Roger Goodell, greatest in history at speaking without saying anything. Best ever. I mean, honestly, best ever. Every politician is dreaming of being able to not answer questions while giving detailed answers like Roger Goodell. It is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my entire life. Aaron, can we dive into my notes section from the game, please?

Yeah, let's do it. First one. Why the fuck did I miss the first quarter and a half of the Packers and the Steelers because CBS was playing the Jets-Titans game? Did you know this was happening? Did you decide to save the greatness until we could all watch this thing? Did you hear this was happening? Did you decide to save the greatness until we could all watch this thing? Did you hear about this? I saw it, I think, on Ty.

Maybe Ty put out a tweet about it. So I think I saw that. I obviously wasn't aware of that during the first quarter. So I apologize about that for all you who missed the first quarter. It wasn't that eventful, to be honest. Yeah. Anything? Nothing?

Ben threw a touchdown, I've seen. That was a highlight. Did anything else happen? Were you guys finding a groove or no? No, we had a miscommunication sack on our first third down, and then we punted, and we got the ball back and went down, and we got seven at the beginning of the second quarter. A miscommunication with who?

Who's the miscommunication? Well, Floor, Goentekunst. Mark Murphy. Guys, I'm just here today to talk about power lift hey that was good diversion hey that was really good what you just did right there I'm thankful for the rack that they sent which is incredible incredible company that uh makes some incredible products and I'm just here just repping them out of love. I'm not getting paid for this.

It's all love. That's good communication. I mean, it kind of paid you. They sent you a rack, so depending upon what that costs. But no, we understand what you're saying there. How do you know who's coming and who isn't on these exotic, amoeba-like defensive fronts? Because Devin Bush got you on one, I think, and maybe this is the communication area you're referring to.

And then it seemed to never happen again. How do you know? Is that all film study? Is that instinct? Is that feel? Is that giveaway? And if this is competitive advantage, feel free to tell me to go fuck myself and tell me about Powerlift again. GFY.

So what I love about Powerlift is it's a product. That's awesome. No, it's about percentages, Pat. I mean, I think a lot of protection and decision-making is choosing the highest percentage success probability. So when it comes to protection, when you're playing a team that brings a lot of exotic pressures, you have to rely on where your eyes go at the snap and where your best hot option is or adjustment to the route called is so you know the one time they got us in the first drive uh i thought we were adjusting the protection to actually to devon and the communication obviously wasn't where it should be and he came you know scot-free and and sacked me that didn't happen again we had another time uh later in the game there in base and we had a 7-7 job an old school

west coast route called uh x shell across and they had a five down front so we were in a five on five protection they brought devon again the back that's the backs guy. The 5-0 protection, the back has everybody else, basically. Of course. AJ kind of missed that one, I guess, a little bit, and Devin got to me, but I was able to get the ball out quickly. But other than that, I thought the protection was really good. Okay. Well, last question here from my things here.

Huge game for Cobb. Huge game for Cobb. Huge game for Cobb. Is that you guys just kind of getting back into the flow of things? Is that specific game plan? Or is this what we should potentially be looking forward to for the rest of the season with you and Cobb being back on the same page? I mean, massive third down pickups. A couple touchdowns.

Seemed like you two were on a string in a couple different situations. There's stories coming out, obviously, about the Cobb selection and coming back to the team. This was something you looked for and you were hoping for. How come? Was this a big breakout game for Cobb this season, or is it just kind of the way the game unfolded? I think it was a perfect storm in some respects

because with Marquez getting injured, that left us with, you know, Devontae Allen and Randall starting the game and 11 personnel. Randall, I saw, had an average of 16 snaps a game the first three weeks, which is just not enough for a guy who can really contribute. I know we're trying to, you know, get him to the finish line. He's had some injuries the last couple of years, but he looks really healthy. He's been practicing really, really well, and I was hoping that he was going to get more opportunities. Because of Marquez's injury, this gave him a natural opportunity to play more snaps. And then the defensive plan for Pittsburgh was to not really leave Devontae one-on-one

at any cost. Now, there were a couple times they did, and I think both those times I probably threw him the ball. We had an early go ball that I threw a semi-back shoulder to him, and then we had a third down late in the game where they played some weak three-week coverage, and I threw him a 10-yard stop route to get a first down. So other than that, they wanted to take him out of the game and not let him beat us because he's been averaging, I don't know,

12 or 13 targets per game. I think more. I think he had 18 targets last week against the Niners. So they knew, as anybody does who watches us on film, 17 is going to get a lot of looks. So because of that, because of Marquez's injuries, 17 is going to get a lot of looks. So because of that, because of Marquez's injuries, we've got to get a lot more opportunities. When we get more opportunities,

I think the production is going to be there like it was a couple days ago. I don't know if you watched the Bucs-Patriots game on Sunday night, but Collinsworth was mentioned multiple times. Oh, Belichick, he's mixing it up with the line. He's not showing Tom like the same thing twice, pre-snap, all this. And what can defenses do, I guess, to try to confuse you? Oh, you've seen everything. That's what's like the old cliche to say about vet quarterbacks.

But what can they really do, I guess, to confuse you, that they don't try every other week? Well, it just depends. I mean, it depends on the approach and what they want to do. Some teams haven't really pressured us a whole lot. I mean, the first three weeks, not a lot of pressure from any of those teams. And then a couple days ago, a lot of pressure. Pittsburgh, you know, brought pressure consistently, not just five-man pressure.

There's a difference between, you know, also the terminology, too. A lot of people talk about, or in the breakdown, you know, five-man pressure is a pressure. I don't really consider a five- man pressure out of base of pressure it's just you know it goes when you categorize it with the film breakdown it'll say you know sam and d or uh or you know will at three depending on you know if they're an over front or an under front the three down front but um but to me pressure is second level pressure it's bringing a linebacker bringing a nickel bringing bringing a safety.

And we just haven't seen that a whole lot the last few years. But Pittsburgh brought the nickel many times. They brought Bush a few times. They brought safety. So they brought some pressures. I think the thing you've got to remember that we always do is, or we try to remind ourselves, is when they do a breakdown, a four- or five-game breakdown going into each game, there'll be a lot of percentages

in every single category. I'm talking about first, second, third down, the distances, get back on track stuff, backed up, high red zone, low red zone. And I always say you kind of have to throw out the numbers a little bit when you're playing veteran quarterbacks because a team might come in, like the Saints, and know close to 50 percent pressure over the last you know three or four games and then pressure us two or three times the entire game a team might come in averaging 15 percent pressure and just say for whatever reason we are going to play man and bring five man

pressure the entire game and then the stats will be totally skewed. So it really comes down to defensive coordinators who don't just run their stuff, who really tailor their plans specifically to who they're playing and what they're trying to take away. This is the Bill Belichick philosophy that him and his disciples have kind of passed around the league for a while. Those teams will definitely not play to kind of their tendencies as much as other teams.

So the Steelers, Mike Tomlin told us that Josh Allen expected a bunch of pressure probably that week one, and he probably wished for it, so we chose not to. That was his actual answer to us in there. So I think Tomlin's a similar guy, especially against a quarterback that he has the utmost respect. And to your point, Zach Cruz actually tweeted this. I screenshotted it. Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers dropped back the past 40 times

versus Steelers defensive front. He was only under pressure 10 times. 77 dropbacks, only 15 under pressure the last two weeks with Bakhtiari and Elton Jenkins out there. Is that because of how efficient the offense is? Is that because of Audible? Is that because everybody being on the same page? Or is it just you guys are really

rolling right now? It's that, but it's also most teams that have fronts like those two teams we play, Pittsburgh and San Fran, they expect to get home with their front four. And they do a lot, you know, so they don't need to pressure. You know, that's teams that don't have the same type of athletes on the outside will probably pressure a little bit more.

But when you have, you know, San Fran, you can line up, you know, Bosa and Dee Ford and armstead uh you're gonna get pressure at pittsburgh and you can line up uh you know dj and melvin and cam you're gonna get pressure so you don't necessarily need to bring those extra guys now they brought some slot pressures and some and some backers uh more than you know maybe the numbers show but when you have a good front four, the best defenses, as we've seen over the last couple of decades, are teams that can get after you with your front four and drop seven and play coverage. TJ definitely tripped you, by the way.

No doubt, no doubt. How do you feel about- I was questioning myself actually a little bit because I stepped in the pocket to Cam got a good rush kind of off my left. And AJ Dillon was running an angle round and was wide open for a touchdown. I really stepped up to move away from Cam and to throw it to him. I was about to throw it to him. I felt, you know, getting tripped. And, you know, it was one of those awful things.

The only thing worse than getting tripped like that is getting stepped on, like trying to get out from center, and then you're falling down. It looks really awful. It looks super unathletic. This one looks slightly more athletic not much um but what got me was i got up and i immediately went to the white captain's like that's gotta be a trip right and he was like i don't know i'm not sure and so when he was him and ham he throws the penalty and then i'm not sure if he's talking to new york or upstairs replay but the defensive guys start saying, no, you tripped yourself.

You tripped yourself. Joe Hayden saying that. Sutton was saying that. Edmond was saying that. And for a second it started creeping in. I go, maybe I did. Maybe I did trip myself. And then when he picked up the flag, they still hadn't shown the replay yet,

you know, on the Jumbotron. He picked the flag up and I was thinking was thinking man is that what it's come to i'm in my 17th year and i'm tripping myself believing that i actually got tripped and it was a real low moment for me a few a tough couple seconds kind of turning walking back to the huddle then i heard the booze ran down and i looked up and I was like okay thank god thank god it was such a rush of just joy and and relief that I wasn't that unathletic guy yet who trips himself and thinks somebody tripped him uh let's talk about white cap real quick before AJ has another one I apologize AJ for the back to back to back here but I have a lot of interesting thoughts that I would like to hear from Aaron Rodgers.

The refs, okay, obviously your interaction there with the White Cat, I don't know. He's saying maybe he's getting information in there. And you obviously can't say anything. Joey Bosa came out last night and actually said that a ref was blind, had to be blind. I have no idea how that happened. Said that publicly. He's going to get fined for that. You can't say that.

You're the reigning MVP of the NFL. How do you think we fixed the officiating thing? And is it a problem that needs to be fixed in your eyes, in your interactions with these refs? I don't think so. I think it's a really tough job, first and foremost. I think it is a really tough job. I think we can help them, but we need more people in that conversation on what the best way to do it is. Right now there's a rules committee, right, that's made up of owners, and then they give the recommendations down. I think there maybe needs to be some more players involved.

The biggest problem, in my opinion, I think most people can agree with this, if we think about some of the best reps in the last couple of decades, right, and I'm obviously slightly biased, but the majority of them are on TV, right? I'm talking about, you know, Gene Senatore is on TV and Terry McCauley is on TV. And who's the guy from last night who's on? John Perry. John Perry. Dean Blandino.

Mike Pereira. These are guys who are really, really, really talented referees, but they're getting paid more on TV than they would by the league. So we're hurting ourselves as a league by not having the best of the best who move on still be associated in a way where New York has to rule on some of these plays and we're not going back to the best of the best uh I think the last couple you know guys that we've had in that position we're not uh we're not anywhere near as talented as the guys that I just mentioned. But the issue is TV's paying these guys a lot more than the league does. So if the league wants to clear things up, maybe taking these stud reps who have moved on and retired

and putting them in a position of influence that can clean up some of the mistakes that are made. And it's not a lot of mistakes, but one or two important times, that's when the conversation gets amped up and everybody's talking about this thing. I don't believe we have a referee problem. I love the fact that there is the human element in it. But in ways that we can help them with those bang-bang calls and those important reviews, I think it's important that we have the best of the best in the booth making those aiding with those decisions i think gene steritor has offered more money and less stress and same with blandino perera

john perry hey we'll double your income and also you don't have to worry about getting booed out of a fucking stadium anymore you actually get cheered whenever you come on and say these rafts are wrong actually what i don't know how you you turn that you're right i don't know how they stop doing that i would do it every single time sorry agent go ahead well what can they do other than just raising their salary i know pat and i talked about that earlier i think last week but yeah you if you make the salary bigger there's gonna be a bigger pool that want to become officials but would you do anything with technology or anything like how what could you add i mean it's tough because you

don't really want to go down the, I don't think, the route of being able to adjust subjective calls. You know, I tried to do it a little bit with pass interference, and it became kind of a fiasco because it was like, what is the determining factor? How much contact? Is enough contact? Or how much is not enough contact to either pick up a flag or throw a flag it's tough with those uh what some more subjective calls there are objective

calls but still you know i think the majority of the calls that happen in the game are subjective calls there you know it's it's holding what is holding you You know, I think it can get into the subjective realm, play to play, you know, interference, illegal contact, you know, block in the back. Somebody's called. Taunting. God, this is the worst. Yeah. I mean, again, that's coming from the rules committee

that doesn't involve players having you know recommendations on it's the same thing when they change all the offices and stuff and you have these lawyers who wouldn't allow us to use a football for the two first two weeks of camp and it's like who wrote this stuff i mean who is sitting there going okay first two weeks no footballs so we're at football practice yeah and we can't use a football no okay okay so then what do we do you act like you have football well if we let you use a football then people gonna be use it and everything has to be crystal clear in this disclosure agreement okay cool awesome okay we're still playing football all right well what if you're a kicker or punter you can go over to a high school and actually use one of their fields but we're not

going to ensure you injury-wise if you go over there and hurt yourself oh it makes perfect sense yeah yeah i remember thinking oh so this place that has a net security equipment managers that can help me get better i'm not allowed to kick here for two weeks. I have to go to a high school that has probably no net, not that I need security, but potential other people on the field and everything like that because that benefits me. That's good for me?

Yeah, yeah, it's good for all players. It's good for you. You're a player. That's good for you. Oh, okay. That makes fucking sense. All right, I'm not coming for the first two weeks. I'm going to be somewhere else kicking balls, I guess.

There's a lot of those. That's when the legalese get involved when there's a human element involved. You know what I mean? And that's everything in this world, not just the NFL, by the way. We're dealing with that everywhere else that we go into business with. What's the worst thing that could potentially happen or has happened before that has potentially fucked somebody over in the past? Okay, well, that has to be a part of the contract now.

Well, now you're also taking out the day-to-day, hey, I'll do this because we have a good deal shit. It's a different time in the world, Aaron. You've got to be here now, though. You've got to be here now. You're right, man. I'm so glad you read that book, too. That's really meaningful to me.

You're becoming such a reader. Well, I'll tell you what. This is the first book I've ever heard of that is a fucking calendar, though. You know what I mean? Like, you got to turn this son of a bitch sideways. It's a picture book, man. It's an easy read. You only have to read, like, you know, a few dense pages.

Everything else is beautiful artwork. Is that English? What is that? Well, that's interesting because it is a couple of these. And I have enjoyed his writings, by the way. Shout out to Ram Dass. I have enjoyed the hell out of his writings. It's kind of like those 3D photos, you know, where there is a couple of these, and I have enjoyed his writings, by the way. Shout out to Ram Dass. I have enjoyed the hell out of his writings. It's kind of like those 3D photos, you know, where there's a bunch of things on it.

You cross your eyes and then like something pops up. A couple of these pages, you've got to do that to find the words that are being hidden by like goats and donkeys and shit. So it has been a little bit of that. You know what I mean? You have to kind of close your eyes. But the messaging is amazing. And we'll get to Aaron Rodgers' book club here in a little bit. Still more conversation, obviously. Go ahead, Ty amazing. And we'll get to the Aaron Rodgers book club here in a little bit. Still more conversation, obviously.

Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Aaron, going back to your athleticism, I mean, you turned the Jets out. Dusted T.J. Watt off the edge there for that touchdown. Thought you were going to get another one later in the game with Randall there. Are we looking at maybe a little more zone read option next week and for the rest of the season? And also, given your proclivity for Game of Thrones, have you seen the new trailer

for the Targaryen prequel that's coming out? Are you in it? Yeah, and what episode will you be on it? If I'm in it, I'll be in the penultimate episode. I'm kind of a penultimate guy. The office in Game of Thrones.

I don't want to be in the last episode. No, no. Second to last. Second to last. Well, I will say this. I did hear this morning. I was very, very excited to hear that they track us with these speed trackers, right? And Coach Giz, strength coach, said that I had the highest acceleration. No big deal.

I said, what was I at, like 23 miles an hour? He said, well, it was about miles an hour, and you weren't that high in that. But the acceleration change was really good. I said, I don't know what that means, but I'm going to share it with Pat and the boys. Explosive. You're explosive. Really proud of that, yeah. No, you know, I would have loved to hit Randall on that one,

but, like, every now and then you run it in. The best part about the rushing touchdown that probably not many people would see or know was I ran in the end zone. I did a little ode to Jimmy Graham spike. And then a little tiny belt that nobody really saw. And Randall was on my right and he kind of pointed at the stands, you know, take the Lambo leap. And I said, Oh, that's way too high. That's too high. I can't do it. So my apologies to the front row there. It just wasn't the right wasn't the right game. I can't do it. So my apologies to the front row there. It just wasn't the right game.

I wasn't ready. You know, I didn't – I got to wait until I'm back, you know, in the power lift, getting 400 on the bar again. Once I'm back in those numbers, I'll be ready to – Hey, I'm sick of hearing this, okay? Did I trip myself, he's saying? I can't get up. I'm going to look this, okay? Did I trip myself, he's saying? I can't get up. I'm going to look like Schefter doing the Lambo leap, he's thinking.

No, I never said that. What's that? What's that? I never said that. I didn't mention it looking like an unathletic, weak chin, no ass. Hey, you said it. Anyways, you need to stop dotting yourself. You're underneath that squat rack.

You're all the way fucking back, dude. You didn't trip yourself. You're explosive. You're the most explosive guy on the field on Sunday. Let's go, dude. I think, yeah, I think I, you know, shot my load there, getting out of the pocket. Now a whole lot left.

Very timely. A whole lot left, man. Speaking of shooting a load potentially too quickly, you don't have to speak about this, but it has been a... It has been a... a talk of conversation...

Nice transition. ...on this particular show. I mean, honestly, it was the first thing I thought of. Okay. If you had to... talk about the differences between coaching in college and coaching in the NFL, would one of the biggest things not be when you're talking in the NFL,

you're talking to your peers, whenever it comes to football, IQ drive, being around maturity, everything like that. It's much harder to potentially lie to an NFL locker room than maybe a college locker room than maybe a college locker room that's a little bit younger and also their entire futures are controlled by the person that's talking isn't communication like one of the biggest things a head coach is going to have to have if he makes his way into the NFL and didn't we all think that going from college NFL is going to be difficult if you try to treat people differently rumors out of Jacksonville and this has nothing to do with you but I think you can paint the overall picture about what an NFL locker room is that Urban tried to allegedly, this is

sources, tried to lie about the situation basically, and the entire locker room laughed him out of meetings allegedly. Like, get the fuck out of here, dude. Like, that is not the case. Would coaching in the NFL be vastly different than college because of that little thing that probably happens on a daily basis that, you know, the people you're talking to are just grown-ass men is that not something that should be considered when you take a job in the NFL yes thank you very good it definitely should be I think one of the biggest differences is in college you call your coaches coach in the NFL you call them by their name now Now, that might seem like a

small detail to some, but it's not to those of us who played. And the understanding is there's not a fear. You know, there's a fear in college that this person controls my ability to move on and play this game professionally. And in an instant, I can go from a first-round pick to an afterthought, and this person could trash me to any team calling. So there is a healthy fear. I never had that with Coach Tedford. I called him Coach, but I had a ton of respect for him. And the way that he brought it every single day and led,

he treated us uh like uh men and um and there wasn't this weird uh you know i'm your superior authoritarian deal you know it was it was and it wasn't this rah-rah bullshit too that you see a lot coming out from a lot of it it was very like direct and relatable stuff and that's why i always i think everybody played for coach really appreciated that but in the nfl it's it's matt and it's nathaniel and it's luke and it's you know some guys go by the last name you know steno and butkus and ben Sermons and, you know, and Vrabel. You know, it's like you don't, you know, it's not coach this and that. So there's, and it's not the disrespect.

It's just that we are professionals. We are both getting paid professionally to do this. I'm getting paid and you're getting paid. And we're both going to respect each other and respect the roles you're coaching, I'm playing. But there's a level of respect that's earned in the league, and it's earned through communication and honesty and work ethic and discipline. And that's not given freely.

I think in college, this is automatic. Like, I've got to respect and fear my coach because, you know, he can make one, you know, sweep of his hand and I'm out of here. NFL is like, nah, you can't do that. You're probably going to be gone before me, Doug. And that's what I was talking about when we were talking about coming too quick. And I was talking about the potential urban era.

Right. Coming too quick, obviously, is that's great transition. But I appreciate that answer because I think that is something. I don't want to dive. This is not your team, obviously, so I'm putting you in a terrible spot. He was not on the team plane after a game. I don't even understand how that even happens. They're going to have to figure that whole thing out.

It's wild. Going to be tough to get the locker room back, I think. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Aaron, you posted a pretty sweet photo of you getting introduced on Sunday. How awesome was that to be able to go back out there with the fans in the stands after not having them for a year during introductions? Yeah, man, there's really nothing like it. We have a lot of music playing now in the tunnel, and there's the smoke and the green lights, which is cool. The thing that I do miss a little bit, kind of being

there for so long is there's nothing like that initial first few steps and i always like to be just a tad bit early i think that being on the other side where you're waiting for the guys to come out it's always kind of weird when they introduce the person and it's like a beat and a beat oh and then they come running out so i'm always like on the front end of that But when you exit that tunnel and you hear the ovation, man, it's a special feeling. But the cool thing, too, is that I always – I like doing low fives on the way through.

And to see the guys' faces when I am running through and then immediately transition, you know, into the low fives through the lines is pretty fun. But there's nothing like that feeling when you get introduced and miss that for sure. You know, being away from that for over a year. Go ahead, Tom. Last question, by the way. There was a moment

pre-snap on Sunday where you and Arthur Mollett, number 35, he's the nickel. I believe you had to call a timeout and then you guys were laughing after and talking. What happened there? and then you guys were laughing after and talking. What happened there?

He didn't say anything like – wasn't he shit-talking or anything? He was just – sometimes the defense thinks that you're calling a timeout because of something that they did or a sudden look or something. And most of the time it's, hey, maybe we didn't even call the play in the huddle. We were trying to waste some time. Or maybe, you know, we had a late substitution and we didn't have a play. Or maybe it's, yeah, maybe every now and then the defense, the look that we got isn't great for the play. Or maybe somebody's missing a line.

It could be a number of things. But, I don't know, I love the interaction. That's what's so special about the game, you know, just breaking the huddle and hearing the chatter and making eye contact with certain guys. I mean, I had one of the best of all time to interact with, you know, twice a year for a number of years in Brian Erlacher, and I think that just, he kind of scarred me

because you compare everybody else to playing against him and the shit that he would say and how funny it was out there. But I do enjoy those interactions with the other guys. And it was – I don't know if you said, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys – we were coming for you. Yeah, you caught a call timeout on that. And I just – I don't know.

It's just, okay, cool, man. You were in their huddle at one point, I think during an injury. You were in the defensive huddle almost, and they were zooming in on your face, and you were just laughing and smiling. It looks like you're having the time of your life, and I want to let you know, I've been having the time of my life picking up on all these goddamn books. You know what I mean? As a kid, I never read a book.

It was something I did not have an advanced reader level thing. I did not ever open the box of books I was given at West Virginia University whenever I was so fortunate to be on scholarship and they would give me my books. I never even opened the tape. I would return it in its exact fashion. But ever since the Aaron Rodgers Book Club has started, I've been reading through all these great, great, great books. From The Alchemist to Where Men Win Glory to The Giver to obviously Ram Dass. This thing

was awesome to read. Kind of put me in a nice mental state. And now it is time for one of the most anticipated things of the week for all of us insane book nerds. AJ Hawk and myself were trying to text last night to guess what this book's going be ladies and gentlemen the fifth installment the fifth book of the Aaron Rodgers book club is marijuana the four agreements oh I thought that was dope. Is that dope? No, it's not dope, bro. It's The Four Agreements. It's by Don Miguel Ruiz, and it's a staple for – let me turn the light down here so you can see me a little better. You do look good in there, by the way. There we go.

There we go. It looks like that. The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. It's a wisdom book. It's a simple, simple read. It's 140 pages. You can easily read it in a week, Pat. Of course. But in this genre of self-help, it is, it's a book that I think everybody can relate to. And there's four agreements. And this is not a spoiler alert because they're in the front, they're on the front flap, but it's be impeccable

with your word. Don't take anything personally. Don't make assumptions and always do your best. So very simple, simple words of wisdom. But Don is a really good writer. And this book has been millions of copies have been read. And it's one that I always recommend for people. And I say, hey, you know, I need a self-help book. What would you recommend?

And I say, well, why don't you start with Four Agre four agreements because it can relate to just about any part of your life. I think for me in my own growth, the one that, being effective with your word, I've always enjoyed honesty and that's such an important part of communication. But don't take anything personally is a great one that he talks about. And that you know the idea of being a victim or being sensitive about things said about you and i think it's one that we all struggle with i think that's the the motivation for most comments on social media that somebody has said something and then somebody takes it

personally and then they have to fire back it's this constant back and forth between people but um the four agreements fantastic book this has been you know this is a lot of pressure to to have to do 18 of these i'm not sure how i'm gonna do it but um but i'm excited about it i'm also excited how my books right here on the left side i guess just kind of kind of intertwined with these over here. Yeah, yeah. And we're a big book show. This is a big book show.

Aaron, I know you're feeling a lot of pressure because you only got 18 weeks, or that's a lot of weeks to pick out what the best book of the week is. And the four agreements sounds like I already read it. You just kind of broke it down for me, but I will dive into it, of course. We might have the biggest book club going. And by we, I mean you, legitimately.

We checked out records and everything like that for the people that have bought the Aaron Rod biggest book club going. And by we, I mean you, legitimately. We checked out records and everything like that for the people that have bought the Aaron Rodgers book club shirt at store.patmagvishow.com, where all money will go to a reading advocacy group or a foundation of Aaron Rodgers choosing. The amount of shirts that we've sold in comparison to what the records are for book clubs, I think you potentially have something like,

maybe the biggest book club going right now. I feel good about it because Oprah, I don't think she's doing maybe her book club the same. Obama has a lot of book recommendations I've seen over the years, but he's not president. So I feel like we are, you know,

we're the premier book club kind of out front right now. Yeah, we're the premier book club. I'm not sure who can rival us at this point, but I feel like. Andrew Cuomo might have one. He wrote a book. All right. Urban might as well, I guess.

Let's dig this guy. Sorry, Aaron. Let's dig this guy. Well, anyways, and look at the depth of the book club just in the first four weeks. You got The Alchemist, obviously, about the universe. Of course. Where men win glory, just like American Hero story of Pat Tillman. Let alone

the giver. Hey, the old man. Oh, man, the kid. Oh, my God. And then Ram Dass, the calendar book. Wow. And now, we got the four agreements. I mean, let's go. Aaron, we can't thank you enough. I hope you had an incredible time. Can't wait to see what you go squat, maybe 400 today

on the power lift. And we appreciate you, brother. Good luck this weekend. Thanks, man. I love the tank top as always, man. Looking good. Sleeveless hoodie, actually. You see that? I have a hood on this one. It's blue because it makes... My wife said it makes my eyes look better. You know, I feel

bad that I didn't want to bust something out real quick, but... Wait, Bob Ritchie. Ah! Come on! Joining us now is a man who's a general manager in the NFL. He was a coaching advisor, I think, in the New England Patriots organization for a long time. I wish we would have had him on before the Brady-Belichick bowl, but that's 100% on me for forgetting to call and ask him about some of the stories

that were coming out that have now been debunked, I think, by both Bill and Brady, which is very fascinating. A man who is a writer for the Daily Coach, host of the GM Shuffle podcast in the Lombardi line, and the man who kind of stirred up the news this morning about his sources saying it could get ugly down in Jacksonville, ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi line and the man who kind of stirred up the news this morning about his sources saying it could get ugly down in Jacksonville ladies and gentlemen Michael Lombardi. What's up guys? Hi Zahn, how you doing? How are you?

I'm good. I'm doing really good. Thank you. Hey this morning, it's great to have you. We miss you around here. You know it. Let's just move on though. All right you look fantastic. It's great to see you. Your tweet this morning saying that things could get ugly or might get ugly stay tuned in jacksonville which led to a michael silver report about what players have been saying so i would assume i don't know if a player is your source i'd assume that's not the case but now it feels like multiple parts of the building are starting to get the same feeling down in jacksonville if these sources are accurate, yours and Michael Silver's.

What is your thoughts on how this whole thing pans out and what are you hearing as of this moment? I think a lot of this is about money, right? I think this is more about money than Urban going to continue as the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars beyond this season. I don't know if Urban will make it through the season. He might. I don't know if he'll make it to the season. He might. I don't know if

he'll make it to the next game. He might. But I do know that I think this is problematic on both parts. I think that it doesn't fit. I think the Khan family realizes it. Today, I tweeted about there's a lot of closed doors meetings. Last night, it was relayed to me that Urban was concerned they were trying to get him on cause. And that permeated through the building. And I got a text about that late last night about perhaps they're going to try to fire him for cause. I don't know if they're trying to do that. I do know that for cause means they don't have to pay him.

Right. Yeah. This is really what I do know. This is essentially going to become about money because I think there's going to be a divorce. I don't think that that press release, you know, illustrated any support towards Urban and the regime that's going on so far down there in Jacksonville. And I think it's a lot of problems. And I think that that was craftily worded by a lot of legalese people smarter than I am. a lot of legalese people smarter than I am. But I do think the issues in the building, the closed-door meetings, the concerns about all those things, starting with the fact that in my 35-year NFL career,

I have never, ever been on a team playing where the head coach wasn't coming back with me. Never. I mean, if I would have been the general manager of Jacksonville, I would have said, Urban, you got a lot of money. Fly home with us, go into the hangar, and then fly a plane back to Cincinnati if it's that important to you. Like, yo, this is as much about your commitment to our team,

your staying in the trenches with us, than it is anything. And to do what he did to me beyond going to the, forget the going to the hanging out, all that, that's something he's got to deal with himself. This message he sends is horrendous. I agree. And speaking of the message you're talking about, Shad Khan, in which you felt that a lot of legalese is potentially in there as you get a phone call, maybe from a source, you might want to answer that. Bring that statement back up so we can read it to the listeners that maybe didn't see it. Shad Khan had a statement from his notes section

via Ian Rappaport's Twitter account. I have addressed this matter with Urban. Specifics of our conversation will be held in confidence. What I will say is his conduct last weekend was inexcusable. I appreciate Urban's remorse, which I believe is sincere. Now he must regain our trust and

respect. That will require a personal commitment from Urban to everyone who supports, represents, or plays for our team. I am confident he will deliver. This is not a statement that you want to be delivering about your head fucking coach in the NFL, first of all. But second of all, it sounds like, Shad,

now even if there is legalese in there, maybe Urban Meyer does have a chance to kind of build back his credibility down there and get back on the vision that he and Shad Khan had whenever they decided to invest, I think like hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in the area around the stadium. And we're going to build Jaguar land and Duval and all this. I mean, there was an entire vision about turning around. It was a couple years they'd been talking since a Big Ten conference in Illinois a couple years back, and he'd been advising Shod.

And then now they're having to deal with this type of thing. So maybe he is able to win it back. But you've been in for 35 years. I was only in an NFL locker room for eight years. Once those guys think you're completely full of shit, you can't lie to an NFL locker room. Like, that's just not something that happens. So I'm surprised that that was his angle.

You know what I mean, Paisan? I mean, look, the problem is one of the key components of leadership is called management of trust. The players have to trust you. You can be an asshole. You just have to be a consistent asshole. You can be, you know, it doesn't really matter. they trust you're an asshole they'll they'll trust it but if you're an asshole to somebody and then you're not to somebody else you lose their trust and and i

think he's lost their trust i think he's in a job that he wasn't really fully prepared for you know i i don't mean this in any disrespect to the university of Indiana or anywhere, but at the NFL, there's no easy games on your schedule. You don't get Purdue next week. You know, it's hard. It's hard. And every coach on the staff is intellectually challenged to match it. And if you can't walk into the key meeting room and say, look, here's what i want to do on defense here's what i want to do on offense when all you're concerned about is really who's being recruited i think it's a job that he probably shouldn't have taken i mean he's best for college where he can control the recruiting element and he can sign five stars which is what he loves and as opposed to trying to play tactitional football coach is there you, because there was a little bit of a belief it felt like.

It felt like some Jaguars, even players, and everybody was kind of buying in. You know, we're not elite is too much. We're going to live on the edge down here. I want certain players that are on the edge. And he would give a press conference and he would say, you know, in the NFL I don't even get to meet with these guys before we sign them. I'd like to meet everybody and learn about them. And people are like, yeah, yeah, Urban's right.

Like, we should change the way the NFL is. I mean, there was like, at a time, I think people thought this was going to go really well. Did you expect him to fail this quickly? I did not. I thought he was going to struggle. I thought he was just going to be middle of the road. You know, just kind of middle of the road. But after four weeks into

this thing, and that's not a lot of time by the way. We got 17 games in a season. I think he signed a five-year deal. There is still a lot of road ahead potentially. But it seems like this has been a disaster, Lombo. A disaster. Yeah, I mean it had all the

earmarks of a disaster. First of all, just look at his staff. I mean, Joe Cullen's a wonderful man. He's never called defenses before in his life. It's a hard job, right? He h's a wonderful man. He's never called defenses before in his life. It's a hard job, right? He hires a defensive coordinator. He brings Charlie Strong in, who was a former head coach. The offensive staff's got Darryl Bevel and Brian Schottenheimer,

two guys that one guy was fired for the other guy in Seattle. You know, Bevel's West Coast. Schottenheimer's more of the North Turner system. They can blend it together, but they don't play tempo. I mean, I think it's really the mismatch of the staff told me that Urban really didn't prepare for pro football. You know, when you walk in, when Jimmy Johnson walked into Dallas, he had a complete defensive staff. He had Tony Wise as his offensive line coach.

He hired David Shuler to be his quarterback coach, and then he made that mistake, and eventually he went to North. But his staff was what he wanted it to be, and it was college guys that took their college game to the pro. When Jimmy came in the league, everybody said, you can't play quarters coverage. And Jimmy proved them all wrong. You could.

And now everybody plays quarters. But the reality here is Jimmy had a football staff that he brought with him. Urban's not that guy. Urban's a recruiter. And recruiters don't last in the National Football League. It's a chess match because the talent level't last in the national football league it's a chess match because the talent level is the same it's player development it's about how are we going to get the best out of our players it's scheme it's each week's a different week that's

not the game urban's going to play matt rule can play that game because that's what matt's used to he's a temple bailer he understands it whereas this guy's been at the lead programs he walks on the field and he's just checking his watch. Well, we'll win by 30 today, maybe 40. I don't know. Yeah, because he's like a CEO there. He gets people into the building, all the best athletes. Let me get the best players in here because I can offer them a lot of incredible things.

We have the greatest facilities. Our fan base is incredibly passionate and loyal. They'll show up. This place will be the best place we play in all year. We're going to win. We're going to do our thing. And you're going to get a degree. Come on in.

Okay, cool. I'll come into the factory that is that. And then whenever you just hire an offensive coordinator, hire a defense coordinator, hire a special teams coordinator, then you have a recruiting coordinator, then you become like a figurehead at that point, right? Don't you kind of become a figurehead? No doubt.

No doubt. I mean, just look. I mean, the the whole staff he hired he made a mistake on the staff he had to get rid of the strength coach originally he was in tuned to insensitive to the to the situation down there he had to make he made that mistake i mean really what's happening to him he doesn't have anybody who's advising him on what's going on like when you go into the nfl if you don't have a plan on how you're going to attack this and what you're going to do, and you've studied this league for years, and this is what I want to do, it's not going to work. I mean, Lou Holtz tried to do it. Bud Wilkinson tried to do it.

A lot of college coaches have tried to do it. Nick Saban. Nick Saban went back to college. I mean, sometimes it's better in college than it is in the pro. And you've got to be able to convince the players you can solve the problems. Right? Because they're counting on you to solve the problems because at the end of the day, they want to make money.

And if you can't solve the problems, you get toned out. Yeah. Him getting laughed out of the position groups, by the way, is if that's a real story, that's going to be a tough crowd to face tomorrow if you're Urban Meyer. They're not going to believe him, right? No. No way. That's why he should have just went in there and said,

I got drunk. I fucked up. I apologize, boys. I'm going to move forward. Let's move forward. Let's try to win some games. Everybody would be like, all right, cool. But going in there being like, I mean.

But again, he doesn't even come back on the team plane. He basically watches his team, you know, have a heartbreaking loss to Cincinnati, right? And then he doesn't have enough to get on the airplane plane. He basically watches his team, you know, have a heartbreaking loss to Cincinnati, right? And then he doesn't have enough to get on the airplane to fly back and talk to him on the plane, make sure everybody's healthy. What are we doing next week? Here's what we're going to prepare for. Here's how it's going to get better. You work the plane. You know, you got to work the plane flying home. You've seen head coaches do it all the time. They go back there. They sit down with the team leaders. Here's what we're going to do. We'll take a couple days off. We'll come back. You know,

we're going to bring it back in here. Meanwhile, he stayed in Cincinnati. I mean, how do you do that? How do you even comprehend doing that? You're the general. You know, you don't even go with your troops home. Yeah, I agree completely. And that wasn't made public until the reporter asked the question, by the way. The reporter asked the question and had that in the question. So I think the reporter was also just as surprised as everybody else in the NFL that he wasn't on team plane. I've heard of a couple of players maybe sticking around or going to something.

If it's Thursday night and be who you can afford to be, depending upon how the game went and everything like that. But I couldn't even imagine the head coach, the GM or whoever, just being like, nah, you guys get on that fucking sorry-ass plane of losers and think about what you did. I'm going to stick around and see my grandkids. Oh, and then also, by the way, I'm going to go get lit. Is that what you guys call it?

I'm going to go get lit at my own place. That's a bad series of events for a guy. I mean, bad series of events. It just shows you where is his level of understanding and the reality of what he's dealing with as a leader, right? He doesn't think his decisions through.

It's the same thing when he put together the staff. He doesn't think his decisions through. And look, you know this. When you stand in front of the team, you've got to convince the team how they're going to win this week. Do you think anybody believes him when he's going to say how they're going to win I mean Khan's in a tough spot he's got five years he's going to have to figure out how to get out of this and and I think this is more as I said to begin the show I think this is a lot more about money than it is about they think

he's going to turn this around yeah I think so as well can't wait to see how it pans out and even after the you know letting your team fly on a plane and you're not doing which is 35 years in the league AJ was in Green Bay I don't think you were ever in Green Bay were you no no I was in Indianapolis you were never in Green Bay Green Bay had the same thoughts you were in I think Oakland Cleveland New England and everyone could you imagine if Al Davis if the head coach went over to Al Davis and said I don't want to get back on the plane i'm going to stay here and hang out with my al davis would like okay well you're never coming back you can just stay right there stay actually think about it left him on the tarmac like lane lane yeah exactly well lane yeah i mean just when i thought lane he'd

grown up just when i thought he grew up and then he does that thing on saturday afternoon just oh you're talking about dropping the headset and running off. Get popcorn ready. And then he stared down at the camera, by the way. Imagine if they go and win, though. That is, you know what I mean? He knows the game he's playing out there. We have a few minutes left here with Lambeau.

Can't thank you enough for joining us, Michael Lombardi. No problem. That Urban Meyer situation is fascinating. Very fascinating. Go ahead, Ty. Lambeau, another guy in the hot seat. Nagy relinquishes play calling, and Bill Lazor, but then in his press conference says, like reminds everyone, hey, I'm the head coach,

and I have a say in what's going on here. And then it comes out that Dalton is still potentially the starter when healthy. Do you think it's a race between him and Urban to see who gets fired first? Like what the hell is going on in Chicago? Well, I think the McCaskey family probably doesn't want to have to fire. I mean, they should have fired Matt last year. You know, and Ryan Pace, the general manager, they brought them both back shockingly.

So I would bet money on Urban going before Nagy. But, I mean, Nagy is just – I mean, the problem is the further they get into the Nagy administration, the Bears, the left toughness they have, their offense. I mean, look, you can beat the Lions. That's great. The Lions have the trifecta. They're slow. They can't rush the passer, and they can't cover.

That's the Lions, baby. Hey, that's Lions football, baby. Other than that, though, they're a great team. Other than that, they're a great team. They have the trifecta. I mean, they really do. And so when you score 20 points on the trifecta, you know, God, take all the battles you want. I mean, seriously, it's wonderful.

But, I mean, Alabama might have put 20. I mean, that trifecta. Hey, the people of Detroit do not deserve what's happening to them right now. I'm sorry. I mean, you've got to grade what you see. I mean, I'm just telling you, they're slow. They're slow, slow, slow. They can't rush and they can't cover. Other than that, they've got to grade what you see. I mean, I'm just telling you they're slow. They're slow, slow, slow. They can't rush and they can't cover.

Other than that, they're fun to watch. Yeah, Michael, Pat mentioned it earlier, but is everything that we saw about Brady and Belichick complete bullshit? And was that the relationship you saw when you were in New England? Yeah, were you in any of those? Hey, hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. And also, thank you for bringing this up, Connor. Sorry to jump on you.

But after hearing this, did you know who the sources were too? Like, did you guys know? I couldn't tell. I mean, there's probably so many of them coming out. Look, let me say this. I love both. And I've been around both. And I talk to both.

And I've never experienced both of them not having the greatest respect for one another. Right? And like any great partnership, there's always going to be some disagreement. But I think it was done in a mature fashion. And the one thing I will always say, you know, people say, well, Belichick went into the visiting rocker. Belichick is not a passive aggressive leader. Belichick is not somebody who's just going to ignore a problem. He's going straight to it.

You know, now that conversation is going to be between him and that person, and you'll never know what he said. You will never know. You will never know what that conversation was. But the whole thing, it forced me to basically – I muted the game, the entire game I had it on mute. I enjoyed it so much because I didn't want to listen to it. It's just a bunch of noise.

It's all this crap that's going out there that people have no knowledge of. Like they built a championship, six championship level team. I mean, and well, you know, Brady did it all. But all the players that were there, what do you think they felt like when they're reading that it was Brady that won six titles? You know, I mean, do you think they think that was fair to them? So to me, it was just a bunch of the media just steamrolling it and they get clicks. And, you know, and, you know, there's certain media outlets in this country that love to create the story as opposed to report the story.

That is fascinating to think about. That is the state of the media. You're not the first person to say that. But I do recall whenever Lucas Oil Stadium was being called the house that Peyton built, there was some potential Hall of Famers that were flanking him that were like, kind of fucked up, but also, I guess reality. And now there's a statue of old buddy out there and everything like that.

Let me ask you this question, Pat. I mean, I say this and I love Tom to death, but if only one player could win Super Bowls, if it was only the quarterback, if it was only one, Peyton would have 10. Because there's nobody better than Peyton. Nobody. Nobody.

Right? And he won one with the Colts. And so it takes a team. It takes a village. And that's what I think everybody misses. It takes what Brady's greatest achievement that he was able to do for the Patriots was he allowed himself to be coached just like every player. That allowed the whole excellence to come out, the standard of excellence,

the performance. That's what Brady, by doing that, allowed the Patriots to build the Patriot way. That's tremendous. Yeah, that's a trait, by the way. That's a talent that not a lot of people will be able to have, especially whenever you're getting into your late 30s and you're already counted as the greatest of all time.'s a talent that not a lot of people will be able to have, especially whenever you're getting into your late 30s and you're already counted as the greatest of all time. That is something that not a lot of people would be able to have. That is a trait that should be talked about. Last question here. We only got like a minute left.

Go ahead, Diggs. Juanbo, what's the reason why Gruden's teams are always better in the first two months of the season and then they fall apart late? Well, because they run out. He auditions his new stuff and then they don't really change, you know, and then they don't adapt and people get a chance to look at him on tape. And I think really what we saw in the first three games, their offensive line, I think we saw it last night.

It's not as good as everybody thought it was. They got pushed around last night. They got beaten to the punch last night. And I think once that quarterback gets hit like he did earlier in the game, he kind of doesn't play as well as typically he should I thought he was gonna be he was on the way to an MVP season but last night he didn't look like the same player because he got roughed up a little bit they were coming after him and they were really coming after him the penalty on Joey Bosa that

for the unsportsmanlike conduct I mean Joey Bosa got grabbed and tackled back there it was horrible but I think that's the issue. And then I don't know how good they really are on defense. I really don't. Well, I think the interesting thing about Derek Carr is, is that a bad night or is that an actual plan? Because Joey Bosa came out afterwards and said, Hey, we know if we just muddy up the pocket a little bit, Derek Carr is going to get a little bit antsy in there. We love a good person, good football player. We're just telling you. I couldn't disagree with what Joey said. I think that's the thing on Derek.

He's got to prove people wrong on that. And if you hit him early, and as Al Davis said, the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard in the first quarter, that I think that that's right. I think you saw that in the game. They played that way, and his eye level came down. Third and five, he throws that check down over there.

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It was very good. The mayo, really. Oh, yeah. Brought it home. Those crispy onion strings on top. Slathered in BBQ sauce. What? What?

I need another. Joining us from his attic in Columbus, Ohio, the home of Urban Meyer's pint house and whiskey bar, college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, and Ryder Cup champion, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. A.J., how you doing, man? I think you left one out.

I think he was at Urban Meyer's Chop House, like the steakhouse part. I was unaware of this place. I think there's like three almost separate spots. What's that, Chops? Yep, there you go. He's at Chop House? Well, yeah, Chops, Urban Meyer, i guess was that urban meyer's chop house which i'm unaware of this facility i've not been to that one hey just real quick your father-in-law's name is chopper and he calls everybody chops and chops

does he ever go to urban's chop house does chops go to the chop house i would have to ask chopper if he has been there i mean chopper's real name Tyrone, but he goes by Chopper and he calls everybody else Chopper. You're right. In forms of Chopper. Chop. Chops. Yeah, all different kinds. I believe you said, how's it going, Chops, to me?

Nice. When I saw him on a shadowy patio in his front porch sitting on a rocking chair all by himself, I was like, oh, my God, this is a movie right now. Sam, excuse me. I got to go shake the hand of a man that I've heard about. Hey, Chops. Stood up, had a full conversation. Good guy, great guy.

I did not know he was at the Chop House. So Urban has a Pine House where you drink the finest of locally brewed beers. What? He has a whiskey bar where I'll tell you what. They say it's hard to find an old Pappy Van Winkle. Not at Urban's fucking whiskey place. He's got it all down there. And then he also has got the best hind end for the cows over there at the

Chop House. There it is. Wow. On the corner. Prime real estate. Prime spot. I think the whiskey bar is connected. It's part of the Chop House, though.

Is that next door where they show me the dance war i should stay at the chop house you're stuck with the meat and the potatoes i went over to the goddamn whiskey place and all of a sudden pappy starts rolling a little bit jack a little bit and we got this meyer reserved i fucking had made down there on the road down there and then he starts dancing one thing turns to another and then all of a sudden he's fired by Wednesday is that is that what potentially happened in Columbus is that is that how it went down over there I mean it's it's not looking great that's for sure we hear of all these meetings going on behind the scenes and looking for cause possibly I don't know what's gonna happen what are those play like what does practice look like tomorrow when they

get on the field on Wednesday I would assume it's very similar to how my reaction was when I came back to the field after my public intoxication the morning of when I showed up and they were in the middle of practice. I did put my jersey on, though. It was very nice of me. I think there was nobody inside when I got there. I was like, this is not good. And I had to do a long walk.

It's almost like Coach Caldwell put them on the farthest field on purpose. They were on the farthest field away. So I had to walk across the whole thing, you know, and there was a couple like, hey, good to see you. There he is. Good to see you. Hey, Bill Pauling wants to meet with you, but, hey, it is good to see you. And that was it for that day of practice for me.

I was obviously met and then sent home for a week or whatever. That was obviously a great conversation. But I think there's a couple moments where, you know, he's staring. And this is the difference between college and pros this is the men's league he's staring men in the eyes as he walks into that team meeting and I assume there's little stairs down to where he's because it's like a uh you know like a theater an auditorium type setup I'd assume that's how every team meeting is set up him walking that door opening him walking down their steps I would love to be in there with this fucking guy.

There he is. Hey! And if he doesn't just buy into that, like if what he's saying to allegedly Mike Silver's breaking of NFL, if he's walking into the position groups, he's like, even though the guys have seen the videos, okay, the guys know everything. In the NFL, guys know everything. Stephen A hasn't seen it.

He's only read about it. He said that today on purpose. Sure. Well, it's hard to read. I don't know. And I do feel bad because I don't know. If you're reading it, it's like you're a blind person with Braille. You know, like, so Stephen A is choosing just to read.

The segment was set up. You said those segments are pre-planned usually, too. Oh, so you think he had time to potentially see the 30-second alternate angle video that came out just yesterday on ass and titties Snapchat account? I don't think he told the original video, he claims. But, hey, maybe he just doesn't want to expose himself to stuff like that, so I give him credit. Whatever the case, Stephen A. didn't see it,

but Urban was acting like the team didn't see it when he was going into position groups and saying, like, it was just a random woman. You know, I'm so sorry, that whole thing. And then he just walks out of there. Allegedly, the source says he was laughed out of the rooms by his team. Like, unless they're laughing with you, it sounds like a big laugh at situation. If he doesn't buy in, though, to the situation, the reality of it, that team is going to chew him apart I mean it is going to become it is going to be a tough thing I think an awkward thing for old Urban who doesn't control

every single moment of these players lives like he did in college no I mean I think if it's true like what Mike Silver is saying that he canceled the team meeting and he met with people individual position groups which he actually said in his press conference he said like I met with them position groups and individually so he must have talked to a few guys. So I didn't know if he – I don't know if he canceled a team meeting or not. I think that's a huge thing where players, like, it's a missed opportunity where he could have just – if he 100% took ownership, was authentic, and was a bit vulnerable, like, he could have turned the tide, I feel like,

and people are like, okay, this dude's a human. We understand. And let's see. Like, he's going to have to prove to us that he's going to be whatever, which is kind of what the owner said, I guess. Listen up, boys. All right, you saw it. And that's what this will do to you.

Just like I was preaching to you, okay, I'm a human. I make some mistakes. And if you guys are ever in Columbus, the Urban Meyer Whiskey Bar is top notch. The guy that I hired to run it, he's a fucking aficionado. This guy's palate is unbelievable. The way he can take down these bourbons. He doesn't even know if it's a cork barrel or aluminum or tin or something. It's fucking, we got it all.

But anyways, boys, you saw what happened. I drank three of these. All right? That's a lot. Make bad decisions when you do that. I am so sorry for being a distraction. I didn't mean to do that. I won't do that again.

I obviously have some stuff I have to take care of at home. Family is obviously above football in all of our eyes. I have to do this. I have to take care of this. I fucked up. I'm going to make it right, just like I hope you guys will with the group of people that we have brought into this room. We're high character guys. Every once in a while, you fuck up, you slip, you move forward.

That's what we're going to have to do. We're 0-4. I haven't handled it right. I don't think I have been that great of a coach. I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to do this thing going forward. I think the players, if he was to do that, would be like, all right, at least this motherfucker is acknowledging the situation. At least he's acknowledging the situation that is real,

as opposed to potentially going in there higher, mightier than thou, thinking that the players are idiots. That ain't going to work. And the players, you know the NFL players are are not taking, like, a moral stand. Like, oh, I can't believe he would do this. They could care. That's not at all the issue with them. It's everything surrounding it all.

I guess it all comes into play. But, man, what is the – do you have a team meeting tomorrow morning, the Wednesday morning, like, install meeting where you go over the overview, how we're going to beat this next team? Like, okay, guys, here we go, Titans. You can't just pop up your PowerPoint deck right off the bat. You're going to beat this next team like okay guys here we go titans you can't just pop up your powerpoint deck right off the bat you're gonna have to address everybody keep it down please let's get this meeting started thanks all right keys to the game imagine i mean it might happen keys to the game here we've handled

this weekend right we're past it keys to the game random woman i didn't know her okay i wasn't wrong the person that filmed me was wrong did you see how fucking despicable that was? We're not talking about it. Keys to the game. Special teams. We need to not do what we've been doing. Defense, we need to not do what we're doing. Offense, we need to not do what we're doing.

All right, fucking break it up. Let's go in. What if he just moves? What if he tries to move through these moments as fast as possible? That would be absurd. What a situation he has himself in. This is his fault. I think he should address it head on.

Anytime you have a PR crisis or a trust crisis or anything, you need to just dive right on into this thing and address it head on and people will at least appreciate it. It sounds like he's dancing around a little bit. Have you gotten any word from anybody else in that building how they're feeling about the whole thing? I have not. I have not gotten word.

The people I know in the facility are somewhat quiet right now when i reach out i respect the space that they need to work hey hey what's going on hey hey schleichs what's going on come on schleichs we still dead lifting ha ha ha you know trying to trying to open them up a little bit you know hey you know i did i texted schleich andagan and said, hey, man, good luck navigating everything. He said, you know me, attack and dominate with an exclamation mark. Okay, let's talk about something other than your friend Urban Meyer. So last night we all picked the Chargers, and you said you were going to pick the opposite.

I was going to say I was going to pick the Chargers, so you would have ended up with an even worse record than you actually did for picking the Chargers and you said you were going to pick the opposite. And I was going to say, I was going to pick the Chargers. So you would have ended up with an even worse record than you actually did for picking the Chargers. We're all on that side. I think we're all incredibly impressed with Justin Herbert and that entire Chargers squad. Brandon Staley is the head coach. He seems to only speak in coach speak. And by that, I mean, I think that's like his natural way of operating is like a head coach. He's supposed to be like hey uh clear eyes full

hearts here we go he's gangster this is gangster i think that is like who he naturally is he's found his calling and i think he's known it ever since he played in college as a quarterback by the way he's a defensive guru it's crazy university of dayton you know that yeah he's a flyer diner. He flies around on the offensive side of the ball, and then he hopped on over on a helicopter to the defensive side of the ball, and now he's a quarterback who's a defense coordinator. So he's really the perfect head coach candidate,

and it does feel like that is the case with him. That same team last year lost a lot of close games. Now, is it them evolving and getting older? Maybe, but also maybe it's just a little shift in the way things are being presented or the way coaching is happening or the relationship between player and coaches. I'm not saying anything about Anthony Lynn. I'm just saying maybe Brandon Staley was the missing piece for that group to really go to the next level because I think they kept a lot of the same coaching staff as well.

So I think that Chargers team is going to be fucking awesome to watch, and I think last night was a nice howdy-doody, how you doing? This is our home stadium, even though it's all Raiders fans. We're a good team, though. Well, was it last week that we had Eckler on the show? And when we asked, like, hey, what does Staley do to separate himself? And he was just, he's like, oh, my goodness, like how he presents the plan and how we're going to beat the team.

He tells us exactly what we're going to do, and then we go out and we execute it on Sunday, and we do exactly what he said we were going to do the team. He tells us exactly what we're going to do, and then we go out and we execute it on Sunday, and we do exactly what he said we were going to do on Wednesday, and it works out. Like, yeah, players are like, okay, this dude's helping me become a better football player and helping me win games. So however he's getting his message across, it's working.

How do you feel about Hunter Renfro kind of fucking up that fake? Unbelievable play by the dude. Great play. Unbelievable. They only had 10 on the field. Like, that's not his job in that particular situation now if they had all 11 on the field and they were choosing not to leave or not to cover the gunner on that side then it would be his eyes to follow the punter if there's a fake that way to break that up but they only had 10

on the field he just made an incredible instinct read play and had a break on the ball from 30 yards that he somehow got there after ty long the punter lasered a ball on the back shoulder of this i mean it was a laser beam of a throw hunter renfro is a hell of a football player out there he's a great football player and you know what i i i would guess that hunter renfro played multiple sports growing up i'm sure he we all would know how great of an athlete he is. The reps that he runs are just crazy. The China route. I know Greasy talked about a bunch that I don't know how you cover that with two or three guys, to be honest.

He's an athlete. He's a ball player. Go make a play. Figure it out. You don't have to sit there and look at the sidelines. Hey, coach, we only have 10 players. What do I do? I stand here and I freeze. No, he saw something and he made a play. Scrappy. First one in, last one out. What?

Coach's son. What? Lunchbox type of guy. What? Hardhat type of guy. What? Never going to quit. What?

High motor. What? Gritty. What? Fucking athletic. Surprisingly athletic. What? Good hands.

He is Hunter Renfro. Runs perfect routes. Yeah. Great hands. He's awesome. He's gritty. But what I'm saying, I know you're still going with it, which you can pick it up after, but hands he is hunter renfro runs perfect routes yeah great hands he's awesome he's great but what i'm saying i know you're still going with it which you can pick it up after but what i was trying to say is white i think what yep i just put the hunter renfro isn't uh i'm saying if he was like a trained

athlete that's that was a specific hey this is my sport i'm going to try to create the perfect football player like a lot of times when you do that you can get this weird like straight line thinking where everything is black and white. And this is what I have to do. Zito just did some research. He, his dad is a football coach. Okay.

He is a coach's son. He actually. Like in Alabama or where? Where are you saying that strictly? Cause how he looks. Myrtle Beach. Wow. You just did some dirty Myrtle,

bro. This Myrtle Beach is one of the greatest places on earth. If you want to go ahead and have a dandy of a time. Okay, it is a blast. Going to get a little trashy. I mean, it's going to be a little bit trashy. Check it out, Urban. Urban Meyer.

Oh, jeez. You love Myrtle. Anyways, I think you were bashing people that say you only can play one sport, though, there. It sounded like that was a little bit of a bash at that thing right there. Yeah, I know that's a whole thing, but I think you're— How is that a there it sounded like that was a little bit of a bash at that thing right there yeah i know that's a whole thing but i i don't i think you're how is that a thing how is that i've never heard i've never had a coach that i respect tell me yeah yeah you should you should quit just specialize in one sport but was this an actual thing was this parent saying this was this it's parents a lot they're getting into because every sport now with kids it seems

like is year-round there's no like off season they have I'm like, no, it's fall, we play football. In the winter, we're going to play basketball. In the spring, we're going to play baseball. That's how it works. That's what we do. This is Ohio. All right, this is fucking Ohio. All right, in the fall, you've got the pads on.

Okay, in the winter, you're shooting free throws and getting rebounds. Get your Jordans out. Okay, and then in the spring, get the fucking Louisville Slugger out. We're playing baseball. America's pastime. Put that on repeat the rest of your life. And let's hope you go to college for one of them because your dad and mom do not want to pay for you to further your education.

So good luck out there. I feel like any person that's ever amounted to anything in athletics has come out and said, though, you should not specialize in one sport. You're not doing yourself a service or a favor at all. How did that ever did was that all fugues that that wasn't a real thing right people i think it was because coaches do coaches right that was the big thing especially like baseball different sports hockey culture soccer culture is big on they don't want their kids playing other sports at least the places i

have been around like coaches do that soccer culture did seem to turn their back on me a little bit when i started kicking yeah and kids who do like academies and stuff they not even i turned my back on the soccer culture though too yeah i had to because i had to i actually played one spring with west virginia for a few weeks or whatever on their team man i found out i was not in shape when i played soccer and it turns out three years later i was in worse shape than i ever was but I love this that's an interesting thing because soccer is all year round it's fall spring is the most important that's cup soccer that's like AAU but fall is high school soccer and at least Pennsylvania and probably in Ohio so that's obviously rather important as well so soccer is year-round and i guess hockey is is hockey

culture it's the time like if you if you play hockey in ohio and you're a kid there's not a whole lot of hockey for them to play so the parents like we're driving we're going to pittsburgh we're going to minnesota like every weekend they're driving to different states to play and then in the summer where you could be doing something else like baseball or football or something like that most kids are like training for hockey season. Dryland. Yeah. Oh, dryland training.

I used to remember when Phil had to go do drylands or whatever. Or they're skating. They're working with a skating coach or something. What is dryland? What are you doing? We're going to go run sprints. Oh, so you have a cardio session you're about to go to. Yeah, dryland.

Dryland. I was like, dryland sounds like the worst time of all time. I am out of here. But that is, you can always tell a good hockey player or a wrestler, just hand them a basketball. That's right. You know what I mean? They didn't have a lot of time to learn how to fucking shoot a basketball.

The shot put that sucker right up. Right up. But I'll tell you what, on the boards and defense, they will take charges. They are not scared. Our friend Phil, CFO Phil, hockey player. All right, this guy. He played football and baseball. Cannot shoot a basketball for the life of him he took a charge from somebody running on the other side of half court in an

intramural game other side of half court he eyeballed where he thought he was going to go and he stood there and took a charge obviously came up full celebration it was against slar monster it was against chris took a took a charge against one of our friends and dancing his face like that's what you're going to get out of the hockey and the wrestlers on the hardwood. Wait, in an intramural game? Like a pickup intramural game, he took a charge? Listen, our intramural was serious. You're going to think I'm joking, but I'm not.

High school or college? High school. We used to have fans come to these fucking intramural games because our basketball coach was a maniac. All right, good guy as an adult, but he ran a Bob Knight type operation. Wow. I mean, it was. So a lot of us who played other sports were like we are not spending our winners this is not how we are going to spend our winners like this is not going to happen so i think it potentially did deter some athletes from playing but the team was good though like but you had to buy in and we didn't do it so we're kind of fans so the intramural actually

picked up pretty big like big, big. Got going good. Team I was on, I don't think we ever lost a game or a championship the entire time. CFO Phil was on another team, though. That was his decision. That was his decision. It was a bad one. Jeez, Phil. I mean, it was a good rivalry. Diggs was also on that team, I believe, there for a little bit, weren't you?

Yeah. I went over to my team, yeah. My senior year. We had legacy teams. And carried it on. Yeah, and it got passed on to Generation Z. Did you play at the rec center or where? No, at the high school, in the gym. That's sweet.

People would come watch this thing. How do you have intramural leagues that they allow you to play on? So it's somehow you at least have to sign waivers. The teachers had a team. The teachers had a team. It was affiliated with the school. Yeah, we never had that. One of the teachers took my legs out on a dunk attempt.

Jesus. That's an actual good. Don't try to dunk on him. It never, yeah, we never had that. One of the teachers took my legs out on a dunk attempt. Jesus. That's an actual good. Don't try to dunk on him. It wasn't. He came out of nowhere. It was literally just going to be an off. Like Gary Vee, huh? Yeah, exactly.

And it was a fucking teacher. I'm like, what am I supposed to do here? Can't have it. Yeah, my guy, Solar Monster, great player, you know, baller. He and I used to go to Boys Park and play, so we had pretty good chemistry. We were on team. And I didn't play. My senior year, I coached because games did get pretty serious in there

and a lot of things were going on. But my junior year, yeah, he was on an open break, could have done a layup, looked back at me. He goes, like basically gives me eyes, we're going for this thing. So he puts it off the top. And at this point, I had only dunked in Boys Park courts, which they cement. So it gives you an extra like – Yeah, it gives you an extra little, not spring,

but also it takes 10 feet is all of a sudden at nine, 10, nine, 11, depending upon when they're paving that thing. So it's a little bit shorter, but man, the first time I did that,

I felt like a fucking God, by the way. That was awesome. So I didn't even know if I was going to be able to get up enough. I get up, I grab it, goes off back of rim teacher under my my legs, down on my back. It was a wild scene. Absolute wild scene.

That's intramural basketball at Pullman High School. Those things are going to happen out there. I made my free throws. Was that the teacher that was touching kids? Actually, that teacher did play on that team. I do not think

it was... By the way, there was a couple of those, though, right? There was two. So that's normal? That's like a normal thing in Plum? No, it's not. That's not... We're associated with great athletes,

great academics, and great things. These teachers just so happen to hijack the narrative about Plum High School. We rooted out the problem. Yeah, we got rid of them. We sent them all to jail. They're all in jail. All of them.

They're probably locked down. Still down, yeah. I couldn't even imagine the COVID cases they were potentially getting in jail over there, especially. They might have gotten let out because of the COVID. No, I don't think they're letting these scumbags out. Hopefully not. A couple of them had 12 different relationships or something like that. Jesus.

Like, every year they had one. And then, like, would even go see them, I guess, like, whenever they would come back from college. That's legal. When they come back from school, then the kids are see them, I guess, whenever they would come back from college. That's legal. When they come back from school, then the kids are actually legal, though. It's still messed up, but they're legal. Allegedly. I mean, this is all alleged,

but then they got a couple of them to find out about other ladies that potentially existed because it was all very secretive, obviously, this whole thing. And then they all just kind of turned on him, I think, and it was just like... This guy was just slinging meat all around the hallways. Just because it's legal don't mean it's right.

That's right. That's right. It's entrapment, actually, and it's disgusting. But, yeah, he was grooming. Yeah, I guess that is the thing. He was a little holier than now, that guy, too. Oh, you don't say. Yeah.

Is that right? Like smack him right in the mouth. Interesting attire from AJ today. Not wearing one of your funny shirts today, huh? Yeah, what's that all about, pal? I never wear funny shirts. I just, whatever I have on the shelf, I put up. Oh, okay.

All right, let's talk about some other things going on around the NFL. Soon I will. I think you have every one that's been made. I don't know if there's any more, honestly. All right, we'll see. That's not a challenge. That was just like a, that's not a challenge that was just like that that was not a challenge uh let's talk about um miles garrett got drug tested after playing sunday without sleeves did

you see this fucking human i saw the picture that's not photoshopped that's real are all these things that miles garrett photoshopped or not because i'll watch some videos in in the summer or whatever and it'll be him with his shirt off and i'm like okay that was definitely done with the same filter that all those fucking instagram fucks have they give them a 10 pack and ripped up how do these people live in the same world as me with pizza and sandwiches and not have a little bit of chub on them when they're not a professional athlete on instagram so i think there is some sort of filter that some people have maybe a little photoshop they're to add. I don't know if Myles Garrett at this point is Photoshop. This guy, what, what, what is that?

Look at his thigh attached to his shoulder. Here's the thigh. Look at him. If you look at him, like, okay, this dude could be a professional bodybuilder. Usually those guys, like, I'm guessing they're not as good at athletes as Myles Garrett. The fact that he can move and bend and dunk and play basketball and everything and look and play basketball and everything and look like this, I mean, he's not human.

And by the way, that random drug test is not random. Okay, we all know it. The old piss cup lord is looking down on any performance that you have or anything you do and randomly selecting you. I brought this to people's attention back in 2013. I said this in 2013 on my Twitter account, you make one random tackle. Okay. And I don't know which one it was. I assume it might've been, um, the, um, uh, trend and holiday one. I assume I'm not 100% sure. End up on a random steroid test list. Uh, the next day must be my bod hashtag

upper body of an adolescent okay so my big thing was there's no chance i'm going to fail this test so i'm going to go ahead and publicly state this and i don't know if this is why nobody has done it before because they think like oh maybe a supplement i took was tainted or maybe something in my food that i didn't even know i ate was potentially going to show up in this test which doesn't happen but yeah i agree but maybe in the supplement but people have had all But maybe in the supplement. But people have had all these excuses in the past where maybe I knew there was zero chance. I didn't take any supplements.

I didn't even drink energy drinks at that time. So I was like, this seems to be a bit of a joke. And then it became a trend. That random test hasn't been random for a long time, AJ Hawk. I mean, go ahead. You're right. It does seem to, and guys are much more apt to put it out now probably because of you. But also in the same time can't fail you have spurned guys that absolutely did not get chosen

because of a play they made the day before but they think they have and they posted oh yeah oh there we go make seven tackles here we go now i'm getting drug tested and no one knew the dude made a tap like just stuff like that oh so you're saying abuse leads to restriction like some people are potentially randomly selected and there might be like two that is like hand-picked you're saying and then these guys they think they're in the hand-picked situation when really hey you're just a random motherfucker getting your piss collected yeah they're like oh you see you guys saw that you saw me lock that gunner up on punt didn't you yeah you know they test me today hey sometimes though they do debo folks though you know it do be like that sometimes out there.

It do be like that. It do be like that sometimes. Adam Vinatieri hit some 50-yard something. He was – we knew it. Like, literally, as we were walking off the field, like, yeah, you're getting tested tomorrow. He's like, yep, literally did the next day. He was like, these are things that are probably going to happen.

The NFL and the NFLPA probably don't ever talk about the legitimacy of the randomness, but I think Miles Garrett knew that when he walked out there with two thighs hanging off of his shoulders with no sleeves on, he was probably going to have to give his piss for a, what the fuck do you got going on, pal? And that is absurd. Hey, by the way, shout out to the NFL for having that guy in the league. Yeah. Hey, that guy's in the league. That guy represents the NFL.

Have you seen any in-person interviews with Cicely Arno and Miles Garrett? I have not. I was just thinking that would be an amazing visual. I mean, Joe Thomas, probably taller than Miles or no? Miles looks – is he 6'6"? I think he's 6'5". But could you imagine if Miles Garrett picked him up and put him on his lap and had him ask him all the questions?

Oh, like a stuffed animal? Yes. I mean, Miles could do that to me. He could put me on his lap and ask me questions. He could certainly put all of us. But I think what you're saying about Ciceliano, though, you were saying he's figurine size. That's what you said.

4'10". I would never say figurine size. That's literally what you just said. You literally just said it. You did. It's on the record. No, I said the visual. What if fucking Ciceliano goes bagel boss on all of us?

Maybe you guys need to relax a little bit with Ciceliano. I've had Cicelianos back from day one. We all have. But now AJ's like, imagine Miles Garrett just picking up Ciceliano like those little egg things. Hey, run it back. Run it back. You think, did I say picking him up? Never once.

Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. You put it in my head. You literally lobbed it back. Run it back. You think, did I say pick it up? Never once. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. You put it in my head. You literally lobbed it up. Like my kids at Christmas going to the mall to sit on Santa's lap. That's what you said. It's unbelievable, dude. Connor's brain is awesome.

Well, it is. That is a fact. I'm glad I can infiltrate and put things in there for him that I want to say, but I just make him say. Well, you did that Bobby Carpenter as well. And this seems to be a little tactic of yours. Old hero Hawk out there not saying anything, but it seems like everybody around him is saying terrible things. Interesting.

That's fascinating. Old Hero Hawk. Oh, wow, we're at this. Yeah, go ahead. How come you were killing squirrels and hanging them in people's lockers? Oh, yeah. Luke Fickle told us about some of the shit that wasn't you, huh? Slag's got one in the parking lot with his bow and arrow.

What? Yeah, for real,ag's got one in the parking lot with his bow and arrow. What? Yeah, for real, 100%. Put it in the locker. Jeez, Jags are going to have to come out with another statement now. Way to go, AJ. He may have. Allegedly, he did that. Allegedly, of course.

Because he had just come from hunting, I guess. He had the paint on? He had the paint on? He didn't still have it on. He would have the stuff on. Like, Schlegs would go hog hunting, you know, and go kill all those hogs. And then he would go set a grill up and feed the homeless people with it. Like, Schlegs is the kind of guy he is.

Schlegs is a hero, for sure. Let's get back to him killing a squirrel in a fucking parking lot, though, and then hanging it in Luke Fickle's locker. That's an incredible shot. Was he standing in his truck bed? I mean, squirrels are pretty skittish. I think he was getting out of his truck. Squirrels are small.

Think about how tough a shot that is. I don't know how far away he was. I have no idea. He brought it in. He is Hawkeye. That's unbelievable. Because it's not easy just to get your boat, so you've got to have space. Remember, my dad tried to run down a car that was speeding in my neighborhood,

and he grabbed a weapon, and it was a bow and arrow. It was like, what's going to happen? Best case scenario here. That guy's going to open the door and he's going to fucking pull the... How long was this squirrel on its dying days just sitting? Because that's a full process. And then he's got to determine

how far away it is for which one of the thing he is. And Schlage might just be... Was there wind? Schlage might be a superhero with this goddamn bow and arrow, huh? Is that his only shot, only attempt? I believe so. I don't think... I think if he would have missed the first time, the squirrel would have left, don't you think?

Well, then the next day, there's always more squirrels, though. I mean, that is... So maybe he shot... Maybe he was doing this for years, and then we finally saw the one time that he got it. This is the red 18. Yeah. Ah.

Okay. All right. Well, still, I think he's going to have to answer questions about killing some random squirrel in the middle of the street in the middle of the university and then putting it in somebody's locker. It might have been me then. It might have been me that did it. Well, I think that photo kind of seals it.

Hey. I was trying, Slade. Sorry. Sorry. Hey, that thing has, that thing's got the juice. I bet you that's not easy to pull. No way. has uh that thing's got the juice i bet you that's not easy to pull no way uh vinitary and justin snow took me to an archery uh range an archery range i guess and it's a pretty cool thing the

way they have the tech setup this is long this is years and years ago before the oculus basically but they would have deer on like a screen and then you would obviously shoot the screen and it would go and it would it would do a full like uh virtual reality type sweet and then they would have little you know things would like be hanging little targets and you could shoot there and i just couldn't get the fucking thing back for 15 minutes i couldn't get the fucking thing i was just oh my god and they had this thing that you put on there you actually can pull it back yeah yeah they didn't tell me that 15 minutes i got my hands being cut off, basically, by this goddamn. And then I got the fucking crossbow, and I was an animal.

I was an animal with the crossbow, but I couldn't handle the bow and arrow. I'm not tough enough. I wouldn't have been able to survive back in the day. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't. Yeah, crossbow, I think people that shoot bow and arrow, they think crossbow, like, oh, why don't you just use a rifle, bud? Like, they think you're not a real sportsman or whatever. Yeah, that's cool.

They know that just by looking at me, though. Yeah, they know just by looking at me, I'm not real. You know what I mean? Crossbow guy, aren't you? I don't know, though. I feel like you could be pretty decent at archery if you really dove in. I do got the things now, because I do have a bow at the house. Yeah, can't you just click it?

So, like, you only have to pull it back here, and then you can kind of just wait. Yeah, well, that's the crossbow, too. The crossbow, you can actually just pull, and it just sits there. Yeah, there's my crossbow right there. I mean, maybe a little practice. You put some fruity pebbles out by the pool and you put a couple arrows in those raccoons' heads. Come on, raccoons. That's actually a pretty good idea.

You know, just right through the side of their neck. Those are pets. No, those raccoons have lived an incredibly privileged life thus far. That's what I'm saying. They eat better than me. Easy shot. No, it's not the time. These raccoons. They're not expecting anything, man. Easy far. Exactly. They eat better than me. Easy shot. Now is not the time. These raccoons...

They're not expecting anything, man. Easy shot. Exactly. Exactly. This guy would never. Now, just for future reference, there's a lot of deer living on the property now.

You know what I mean? There's a lot of deer living. It has to say they can get it, too. No, they can't, okay? They are citizens of the estate. They're a menace. The possum, however. That's game.

They're overrunning the estate. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not even allowed to shoot in where I live, by the way. City limits. Can't shoot. They're a menace. The possum, however. That's game. They're overrunning the estate. Nah, nah, nah. Not even allowed to shoot in where I live, by the way. City limits. Can't shoot. That's for good. You can definitely shoot a crossbow. Don't put your crossbow there.

Don't put your crossbow there. Those are citizens of the estate. What about just a slingshot? Yeah. Just hitting them right in the skull with a rock. Maybe a shovel. Hey, I will say this. The deer have gotten a little bit...

Okay, Nick. Jeez Louise, that'll be a little violent. But the deer have gotten a bit comfortable. Yeah, and they're telling all the other deer in the neighborhood, bit, okay, Nick. Jeez Louise, that'll be a little violent. But the deer have gotten a bit comfortable. Yeah, and they're telling all the other deer in the neighborhood, hey, come on over. Last night, I drove in. I drove in. No, no, no.

Make an example. Be as comfortable as they want. Do what you got to do, dude. I was driving down, staring this deer eye to eye. Jeeping? In my, no, in my front area. Oh, wow. I came home last night

because it's getting real dark early. Yeah, it's weird. It's real dark in the mornings too. That's fucking me up right now. I'm going to have to change my mindset. Yeah, it's hard. But I was just staring this deer down. Drove right by it.

Didn't even move. Parked it. Walked up behind me as I got out. It was like, this is a dog, dude. This is an outside dog. Hey, put a leash on him. Bring him in. That's awesome. I think it'd be cool to raise a this is a dog dude you can't this is an outside dog hey put a leash on bring him in that's awesome i've always i think it'd be cool to raise a deer like a dog from a young age all right listen the deer is living a very good life on the property it doesn't need to be in the fucking house it needs to be outside but the dogs in the deer had a moment

the other day where chuck a little bit of a prick uh he chased down the deer and that same mom that is not scared of my truck finally got to the point where she's not scared of Chuck anymore. And she stopped, turned, and did like a little stomp thing. Oh, jeez. Chuck hits the brakes, rolls on his back, poops himself. I mean, you got to take a side now. Poops himself. Then he comes running back.

Okay? Then the deer, the mom mom comes walking back with the crew right it was almost like a whole thing and they were just chilling so then the next day sam lets the dog out the dog's out they both just walk out they stare at each other go about their day now they're all just a part of the pack now the mom had to stand up to chuck make him poop himself and then now it's all just one big uh harmonic situation until you put an arrow right between one of those deer's eyes because you've got to take your dog's side on this one.

They don't want them there. No, Chuck had to learn. Yeah, they have to deal with it now. Chuck had to learn. He pooped himself. He had to fucking learn. He's been getting a little bit too confident anyways with the way he's been moving and grooving,

pissing inside when it's raining outside, not even on a carpet, on the hardwood, so that it's just everywhere, so all of a sudden it becomes an ice skating rink. Like, hey, Chuck, I hate to break it to you, pal. If this mama deer wants to alpha you in the front yard, I'm going to fucking let it happen because you need a little bit of that. Yeah, but it would be nice maybe to just take a battle axe and cut that thing's head off, take it to a taxidermist,

and then you've got a nice little trophy right in your living room. Remind all these other deer, hey, you want to fucking try to curb stomp my dog? I will slice your head off and make an example out of you. Turn into one of these. Now we're talking. Hang that hide in the yard. Get you one of these. What's your guy's problem?

You guys are scum. You can't trust these deer. I like your dog. You can't trust the damn deer. All right, let's get to a break. We're going to talk sports on the other side. This is disgusting. Why would you rather have your dog piss on your carpet that you can't really clean up? Hardwood you just wipe

up. Bro, I can just roll up that carpet and guess what? Throw it away. Get a fucking other one. Cut the whole room up? Well, it's a rug. I apologize. Make a rug out of one of those deer. We bust. And then Chuck pisses on the deer. Hey, you want to stomp on me? Guess who wins? Chuck didn't get stomped

on. Okay? Just to be clear. The deer, for those of you that have never seen a deer in the wild. Okay? You were talking to me on how you play that. How you should act. Everybody here that has zero dead bodies in the deer department talking to me about what should happen. Did you have first day of hunting season off? Huh?

Did you have first day of hunting season off school? Yeah, you're goddamn right I did. Yeah, me too. We went to the same school. We did. We'll see how much you love these deer when one of these mornings when it's dark out, you pull up and bust its guts open all over your

truck and then it's all, yeah, these deer, I love this thing while you're picking its innards out of your grill. First day of snow this year and one of them's knocking on your door. Let me in, Pat, please. It's freezing out here. Nah, they got fur. They got a winter coat. They're still gonna be freezing. It looks real nice by the fire. Please let me in, Pat, please. It's freezing out here. Nah, they got fur. They got a winter coat. They're still gonna be freezing. It looks real nice by the fire.

Please let me in. Nah. Stupid deer. Bouncing its dumb head off your window. Hi, hi. We're back in four minutes. This has gone too far. These deer are good deer. For now. These deer are good deer. They got good morals. Tide's gonna change. Tide's gonna change

real quick. You didn't say that about the raccoons, and it turns out they have not a hole through our deck up there. And they're living in your chimney, correct? What do you know? What do you know? How about that? They've weakened our entire infrastructure. Yeah.

Okay. So things did turn a little bit. Structural integrity of the deck has been compromised. Completely. Can't even go up there. We have a grill sitting out there. Can't even get to it. It's going to end up going through there all right because the raccoons and you guys have called that from the very beginning that there's going to be some

some outlying issues potentially with this raccoon relationship well you stop feeding them they start eating the wood no no no I think it's their poop and then they also I mean there's a sick yeah because they're comfortable yeah it he won't care if we drill a hole in his roof what's the difference he's not going to kill us it's the deck deck two no not two i mean the hole in the roof is from the incredible storms that we have and i'm sure i've been offered a free estimate by 45 different roofing companies that's very nice that's what insurance is very nice to them what about the chimney all right we're out of. We're back in four minutes with some phone calls talking sports. We're not talking raccoons or deers getting their heads cut off with axes.

You hear me? Even if they don't. That ain't the show. Connor, next time you pet sit, you know what's going to happen, pal. Yeah, don't you worry. I got you. What? You won't have a deer problem.

You won't have a raccoon problem. You're definitely not going to have a possum problem You're going to come back home and there's going to be all these plaques Of these animals on your wall Listen the possum is a Marsupial It's the only marsupial In North America

It has a little patch like a kangaroo And it looks like a dinosaur If you look at it's jaws And that's why you need to shoot that thing in the head no the opossum lives the opossum's good we got an albino opossum out there you seen the teeth on that thing those are the worst kind and plus that that means the taxidermist will really love that can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes obviously forever grateful for all of your decisions to allow us to be a part of your day-to-day. Every Monday through Friday, we're trying to create a pretty good show, and whenever you got legends like Aaron Rodgers stopping by

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