The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 510 - Stephon Gilmore Traded To Carolina, Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Darius Butler, "The Mayor" Sean Casey, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about the news that Stephon Gilmore was allegedly released by the Patriots and many around the league thought he was about to sign with the Packers, but was then traded two the Carolina Panthers for a 6th round pick, and all of the fallout that surrounds that move. They also cover last night's AFC Mega Bowl Playoff game between the Yankees and the Red Sox and look ahead to tonight's NFC Mega Bowl Playoff game between the Dodgers and Cardinals. Joining the show to chat about the Stephon Gilmore situation is a man who played Defensive Back in the NFL for 9 season, the host of the Man-To-Man podcast, Everything DB, Darius Butler (14:55-23:37). Later, joining Pat and AJ Hawk like he does every Wednesday, is a man who has coached for 37 years of his life, former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano. Pat, Chuck, and AJ chat about the Urban Meyer situation and what he can possibly do to get the team back, the situation between the Ravens and Broncos from this past weekend with Vic Fangio and John Harbaugh trading barbs, what it's like coaching in Europe during an NFL season, and who decides who is announced for pregame introductions (38:48-1:04:21). Later, joining Pat and AJ to chat about the AFC and NFC Mega Bowl Playoff baseball games is 3x All-Star, member of the Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame, host of the Mayor's Office podcast, and MLB Network Analyst, Sean Casey. Pat, Sean, and AJ also chat about some hilarious stories from Sean's time in the Big Leagues (1:29:44-1:51:28). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach Us Up Chuck Wednesday, October 6th, 2021. The mayor stops by, Darius Butler stops by, A.J. Hawk stops by, and Coach Chuck Pagano gives us incredible insight into the life that is a football coach. All the boys are on fire per usual and we can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If by the end of this thing you enjoy it, please be a friend, tell friend tell a friend if not just act like it never happened let's get to it obviously this morning the nfl has made a lot of headlines with the surprising release of two players jalen smith of the dallas cowboys was announced to be released last night that became official i believe this morning he's a linebacker where's the number? Not that much conversation happening about what teams are going to sign Jalen,

mostly because a lot of videos have surfaced on the Internet in the last few hours of Jalen potentially not making the greatest plays for the Dallas Cowboys. So although he is still getting paid by the Cowboys for the next two years and they have cut him because they said that they have depth at the linebacker position, he's no longer needed, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Big name goes onto the market. Thought that was going to be the conversation piece

until a situation in New England that has been kind of brewing for like a couple years now at this point between Stephon Gilmore and the New England Patriots. A new contract has been wanted by Stephon Gilmore for the past couple years, so much so that every single trade deadline day for the last few years, it was, is Stephon going to get traded? Then in the offseason, is an extension going to take place? They're negotiating.

Maybe a draft day trade was potentially going to be talked about with the Falcons to go up into the first round to get a quarterback maybe or whatever the hell they're going to get, maybe a tight end. I forget exactly what it was going to be, but this has been something that's been talked about for a long time he will be able to play for the new england patriots coming off the physically unable to perform list week six here we are entering week five of the 2021 nfl season no extension no play time and stefan gilmore is no longer a new England Patriot. So there was a couple reports saying that Michael Girardi actually tweeted

that this will become official at 4 o'clock or whatever so trades can still happen. I don't think that's the case. I think if this was potential trade deadline day and they didn't want to cut it, them releasing him right now going into week five this morning it being announced, and I know in the offseason this happened with the Las Vegas Raiders with an offensive lineman I think this is just procedural if I'm not mistaking if he has said he's been released and they've already had that conversation as soon as those papers get sent to the NFL the league office and the NFL PA and everything that happens I believe that becomes official then I don't think they have to wait

till the end of day so I'm not 100% sure if anybody's going to be able to trade for Stephon Gilmore today I think he is on the market and we will talk about everything in every team that is potentially a good option for this stud now he's 31 years old so who knows what that means but this is lockdown corner this guy is a NFL defensive MVP candidate every year he plays full seasons. If can he play a full season, that's going to be something people are going to have to find out. But this is going to be hot in the streets for Stephon Gilmore. We'll talk about that with Darius Butler in about 10 minutes from now. We'll break that down because what we have to talk about before we dive into all the teams that can potentially afford Stephon Gilmore, who's allegedly looking for a $30 million deal over two years,

$15 million a year. But we all know that salary caps mean nothing in the NFL because you can kick the can down the road, even add voidable years that can then eat up some of your signing bonus money that you can kick down the road. And at some point, I guess, you're going to have to make up for it somewhere. But I think the salary caps are going yodely yodely yodely yodely all the way up with these new digital

rights deals and sports gambling and everything that's going up people are saying the salary cap is going to be in excess of 200 some million next year only going to go up as other digital platforms decide to get into the game to get maybe their own exclusive, like Amazon. Amazon tested the waters for a couple years with the NFL, deciding whether or not, I think the NFL was deciding whether or not they'd be good partners, and Amazon was trying to figure out what the benefit of covering the game was. It was a simulcast. There was already another Thursday night football game going on, and it appears that most people that get in the business with the NFL don't leave. So let's assume that Apple may be getting the game.

Netflix maybe gets in the game for one of these games that maybe aren't that much money for the NFL currently. They can be able to resell those rights potentially to some new platform that wants to get in there. The amount of money that's going to get dumped in to the NFL over the years to come is going to be absurd, I think. I actually do believe that. And if I played a position other than punter, I think I would be trying to get that avocado ice cream in me to get back in there because I think a lot of money is about to be made by everybody. But with that being said, you can kick this contract down the road. And if that cap continues to climb, the dead money isn't important, obviously, because it's a competitive advantage

against others. If you have more money to spend, team's gonna be better but also you can build your team right fucking now and worry about that shit down the road they're doing it in tampa they're doing it in kansas city i think they're going to continue to try to do it in la with the rams there's a lot of teams that are at the top right now by the way patriots just spent 150 million dollars in one day on free agency the teams that are at the top not saying the patriots areots just spent $150 million in one day on free agency. The teams that are at the top, not saying the Patriots are. Okay, just, I mean, Josh Allen just got paid like a few hundred million dollars or whatever, and they're going to continue to add in there. But the teams that are at the top are accruing talent

and figuring out ways to pay them. So if somebody really wants Stephon Gilmore, they'll be able to make that happen. And we'll dive into those teams with Darius Butler, because is it a zone team? Is it a man-to-man team? Where's his best fit? Who does have the salary cap nimbility to make a play

and make this thing happen? Do you have the weapon like Mike Greenberg down in Tampa Bay who is out three corners? Would he just – that seems like something that maybe is going to happen. And there's other teams. Darius Butler will know more about that, but we have to talk about something I don't know much about. But I do know I tried my best last night.

Hell yeah. I absolutely tried my best last night to watch some baseball. The AFC Baseball Mega Bowl was on last night. Boom. One game to decide of the two most popular franchises in baseball, which one's going to be able to go on and continue into the playoff run. Who's going to be in the hunt for that piece of metal? Who's going to really able to go on and continue into the playoff run who's going to be in the hunt for that piece of metal you know who's going to really get out there and get and

last night it was yankees red sauce on a tuesday night in the middle of october wow i mean on espn on the call so it's not as similar as joe buck making a call but now i mean couldn't ask for a better game right i mean that is something you couldn't ask for a better one. And what a night for all of baseball. I mean, that game fucking stunk. What? No, it didn't. The sport? I thought it was great. Well, no. I mean, not the sport.

Baseball. Hey, the sport. Playoff baseball is the best. It's the absolute best. It's not better than playoff hockey, playoff football, or any of the other sports. Playoff basketball. Basketball in general stinks. But anyway. Well, or any of the other sports. Playoff basketball. Playoff basketball stinks. Basketball in general stinks. But anyway.

Wow, okay. I mean, that's another conversation. The fucking... You know, you pay a guy $324 million and he gets you six fucking outs. You know, that's basically what it came down to. I was texting with Gumpy after Stanton hits one off the green monster and the dipshit running the camera at ESPN

puts it, you know, like he hits it... I thought he hit it 850 feet. Hit it off the fucking end of the bat. Ends up being a single. I texted Gumpy right away. I said, this game's over. If he would have hit a homer, now we're talking. But just bad juju.

I mean, it's nice, though, because they can fire Aaron Boone, get that dipshit out of town. Same with Brian Cashman. Yankees haven't won a World Series, haven't won a pennant since 2009. I mean, got more resources than anyone else. Can't happen. Get those clients out of town, but hey, congrats to the Red Sox.

You didn't like the game because it sounds like your team stunk. Is that why? That was a big part of it. And again, the fucking camera people at ESPN, both of Stanton's hits that he hit off the top of the green monster, they made you think he hit them 8,000 feet, both of them. And he hit them both off the end of the bat.

Crisp night in Boston. It sucked. It sucked. So the Yankees think Garrett Cole can't play baseball anymore. He's got paid $325 million. You're only as good as your last outing. Let's assume Garrett's going to get this offseason with no spider attack all offseason. Work on that grip because he can't cheat no more.

Remember, they dropped that on him in the middle of this season. Oh, yeah. So let's not turn on him just yet, although it sounds like Yankees fans have. And then the other team in the Mega Bowl. How did you enjoy the game last night at Boston Conner? Big Red Sox fan, I noticed here today. I mean, it was unbelievable. You know, first game I've watched all year,

so baseball season's officially underway, which I love. I'm all about the baseball, and it's on. And it just started yesterday for me. Home run in the, you know, bottom of the first. Well, that carried me all the way to, you know, the bottom of the third inning when Gary Cole did get pulled because he does stink. And we hit another bomb off him with Schwarber.

I mean, really, baseball is all the way back. I love baseball. I almost forgot that we have an unbelievable football game tomorrow because the Sox are back tomorrow night already going up against the Tampa Bay Rays. I mean, I'm on cloud nine right now, Pat. I love baseball. Yeah, it sounds like it.

I mean, you're only what? Four losses away from not loving baseball anymore? Not even. Three. Oh, because the first rounds are five. Yeah. So three losses away, and, you know, if that happens. Oh, also, three wins away from extending baseball season. Which, you know, I'm kind of torn on.

I don't know if I want the three wins or the three losses at the moment. Whoa, you're on cloud nine. Let's stay on cloud nine. I know. I'm excited. But, you know, come Sunday, if that game's on during the Patriots game, sorry, Ted Williams and the Sox. I'm going to have to go with the Patriots here on this one.

I'm watching highlights. I watch the highlights, yeah, which I know that's going to piss Mitt off because I'm not in the film room, and I'm watching the highlights, but sorry, baseball. Got to take your picks here, and I'm picking football. Yeah, it's a shame because it does feel like Ty is an actual fan of playoff baseball.

It got cut so short. I mean, short, short, short. I mean, that's one night not even funny. It was like the first two innings you knew it was over. Yeah. That's a shame because that was really all you were looking forward to for a while. I mean, what are you going to do? We were on spaces last night, and I watched as the game ended.

I mean, it was like, oh, that's over. By the way, you watched 45 seconds ahead of me. We lived near each other and had the same cable system. How the fuck does that happen? I have no idea. I was kind of spoiling it for you. Yeah, we're on the spaces and Ty's like, whoa! I'm like, waiting. I'm

two pitches behind. Jesus. And then Giancarlo Stanton takes one off the top of the wall and that was what Ty's anger came from there, by the way, because we all got a chance to experience him thinking Giancarlo did hit his second home run of the evening, and instead it was his second blast off of the Big Green Monster. Yeah, and then the absolute fucking buffoon third base coach, Phil Nevin, who's got more guys thrown out at home this year

than any team in MLB history, sends fucking Judge home. He gets thrown out by a mile. That was the end of the game. That was worse than the congressional baseball one. Yeah. Aaron Judge was more at than the Democrat that was running. Democratic representative from Arizona. That jumped over the Republican catcher.

That was one that was very far away from the plate. Yeah. And I remember thinking to myself, pretty far away from the plate. This wasn't even really that close. There was still a lot of time for the catcher to get back there. I mean, that catcher was almost, I mean, midway between third and home. I mean, what the fuck is going on with the Yankees? You guys even play baseball anymore?

Well, bad base running will fucking kill you, and that's why they got to get all those coaches out of there. These guys are fucking bums. Aaron Boone, you know, hit a grand slam. They didn't even win the World Series the year he hit a walk-off grand slam against the Red Sox, and everyone's, oh, the Yankee legend, bring him back, bring him back. The guy fucking stinks at his job.

Jeez. All right, all right, all right. This is just an overreaction Wednesday here after the match. No, this is not an overreaction. He stinks. Jeez, Orlovsky. Yeah, this does sound like an Orlovsky thing right here. What's this all about?

What's this all about? His contract's up? I mean, we're the Yankees, okay? This isn't the fucking Cincinnati Reds, okay? The mayor's coming on. You can't get into the first round, get beat, and say, hey, we played good. My guys are savages in the box. The guy's a moron.

Get him out of town. All right. All right. So I hope Aaron Boone continues to be employed. Me too's a moron. Get him out of time. Alright, so I hope Aaron Boone continues to be employed. Me too. For the good of his family, his friends. Oh, he's made a lot of money. Okay, so he'll be okay. He'll be fine. He'll be just

fine. But it does seem like he got outcoached last night in baseball and I didn't even know that was possible. Oh yeah, all the time. All the time. Anyways, the NFC Baseball Megabowl is tonight. Yes it is. And two teams that are playing in that is the – The Cards Dodgers. Exactly.

And that's on ESPN or Fox or what's – I think this one's on Fox tonight. I was splitting it up. So we got Joe Buck out there. Hey, good luck to the Cards and the Dodgers. Good luck, boys. Play some good ball. You said Cards and Dodgers?

Yep. Those are two other teams I know in baseball. So two teams – the only four teams I really know in baseball are all playing in these Mega Bowls. Yep. Sorry, it's on TBS. It's on TBS tonight. They have good coverage too. Who's going to cover that? Ernie, maybe. It might be Ernie. Could be.

Conan O'Brien? I believe isn't Smolty. I think Smolty's on TBS. Anybody but A-Rod and we'll be alright. Alright, Gumpy was a little bit upset about A-Rod calling the game last night. What's that all about? You didn't like him? You just can't do it. You can't trot out a guy who plays for the Yankees, loves the Yankees for that game.

It'd be the same if you had Ortiz. ESPN is absurd. Anybody but him. He stinks. All right, that comes from the other Boston Red Sox fan in the office. And people are going to say, how is he a Miami Dolphins fan and a Boston Red Sox fan?

Well, he grew up in North Left Canada, and he made bad selections as a child. Yeah, plus, give A-Rod a break. He's been living in a prison and eating slop for every meal in Minnesota. Maybe he wasn't in his best shape. He looked terrible on TV yesterday, and it wasn't his fault. He was literally in a jail cell. It's all right.

He'll come back better than ever, A-Rod, on the commentating and the basketball team, and obviously the Yankees are going to turn it around. But let's talk about something that we have an expert joining us right now to talk about. Stephon Gilmore news coming out of nowhere this morning. He has been released from the New England Patriots. Going into week five, he was injured, I guess. He was on the physically unable to perform list, which means he wasn't able to play until week six. Here we are going into week five.

Get the hell off the team. This is after years and years of contract controversy between Stephon Gilmore and the Patriots. He wants a long-term big dog contract, and I think he's deserved and earned that. But also, I believe the Patriots are never a team that's going to do that, especially to a 31-year-old corner, and that's kind of been understood. It's been a stalemate on what's going to happen. Was he going to be traded on draft day? Was he going to be traded on trade deadline days? Or was he inevitably going to be released?

He was released today. Joining us now, host of the Man to Man podcast, and also everything DB, Fan Dozon, Darius Butler. Hey, D-Buck, great to have you here. Nine-year NFL vet. You were drafted to the New England Patriots. I obviously got a chance to be teammates with you in Indianapolis. Incredibly heady and smart football player, but you also played corner.

What? You played nickel. What? You played safety. What? You played all over the place. I think there was even some outside linebacker reps that you got in there. I don't know if that's dime or whatever the fuck it is.

But whenever you think about Stephon Gilmore being released from the new england patriots what are your first thoughts that we all see this coming and where do you think he eventually ends up and can he still play at that elite level oh yeah we kind of saw saw it brewing with the uh the contract and the money and you know belichick he's gonna get rid of you you know when he sees fit and i think jc jackson and and the way he's been playing the last couple years made this move a little easier for the Patriots because he's clearly a guy that can be, you know, a top dog at the corner position.

You saw him go toe-to-toe with Mike Evans. But I think Gilmore still got a lot in the tank. You know, last four years we saw him, I think he was the defensive player of the year. He's a man-to-man guy, but I think he's smart enough, especially being in that Patriots, around building around that scheme. It forces you to learn the entirety of a defense and football on different levels. He can go and play in his own scheme, especially at 31. You saw Xavier Rose. A lot of people wrote him off in Minnesota his last year. He played

a lot of man-to-man. Went out to the Colts last year, played more of his own scheme and had one of his best years. So I could see that possibly happening with Gilmore. And it's about three teams that I would like to see him land. I don't know how the money will work, but I'm sure they can figure it out. As you said earlier, salary caps, I mean, it don't matter anymore if you've got good guys running the numbers. So what are the teams you think, the three teams?

I've got Ravens. Ravens, number one, because they put a lot of stress on their corners I've seen losing Peters early before the season even started That kind of can limit you and wink and what he does best game. So Ravens would be a good match They could be a contender The Chargers Brandon Staley is is you know defensive genius at this. Their run defense has kind of sucked up to this point. But adding a guy who can cover like Gilmore actually helps run defense because you can kind of allocate more resources there.

They have the money as well. I know they have the money for sure. And then the Bucs. Bucs obviously make the most sense. Lost their top three guys. You got Tom Brady, the ultimate recruiter there. You know he's going to be in and give you a chance to win a Super Bowl, and you can move to Florida.

So I think those top three teams, you know, Ravens, Chargers, and the Bucs, I would love to see him land on one of those. They're all contenders, but he'll make them even better. Bump and run Gilmore. Bump and run more? Bump and run Gilmore. Yes. Instagram.

Follow Jason Light and Bruce Arians. So he did follow them on Instagram. Maybe it'll go down in the DMs, this little recruiting process there. Fascinating to me is they have a salary cap guru down there in Tampa Bay that will be able to make it work. It'll be just like a three-year deal with a third-year voidable. Signing bonus is up front. We'll pay you like a million bucks somehow, and we'll pay you 20 next year,

and then something will be voidable on the back end so they can cut ties, and somehow they'll be able to make it work. Here's bump and run Gilmore following Jason Light and B.A., who I believe are both pretty active on the Instagram. I saw a picture of both of them with beers upside down in their mouths on the boat parade. Yeah, they're having a good time down there in Tampa.. Yeah, they're having a good time down there in Tampa. Good time.

They're having a good time down there in Tampa. The Chargers is fascinating because you rarely hear about them, right, making big moves. Because Tom Telesco comes from the Bill Polian tree. I know Tom Telesco. And I think the Chargers as a whole are – I think they build from within. I mean, I might be wrong in thinking this, but I don't really recall. That would be a big splash play by the Chargers,

but why not with the team that they have right now? Why not try to make them even better and go on a run in an incredibly difficult division over there? Yeah, you got a great team, and like you said, a great division. Guys who can throw the ball around, Carr, even Teddy B down in Denver, and then obviously Patrick Mahomes you're going to see twice a year. You've got a quarterback on a rookie deal. Like you said, the other, you've got Asante Samuel Jr.

who looks like he's going to be a stud still in his rookie deal. Derwin's still in his rookie deal. So you should have the money at least early on to make a run, man. When you've got a chance in this league, you've got to go all in and get it. You see, this is what the team's been doing, Tampa, Kansas City. That's kind of the way of the world right now in the NFL business. Spend that money and go chase the ring, man. And you got to know when you're in your window.

I think that's a big deal. Got to know. When to realize that you're in your glory days right now. Hey, you are in your good old days right fucking now. Go ahead and try to take advantage of that. Speaking of, Green Bay Packers have been in the good old days here for a few years. They have roughly $8 million in cap space. I think they had some people move some things around.

This would not be a normal move, I don't think, by the Green Bay Packers. What do you think about that particular place? Because the defense, obviously, is going to have to get better towards the end of the season if they want to really go on a run. Would he fit in Green Bay? Is that a defense he would fit in? I mean, yeah, he would definitely fit there, especially if Alexander can get back healthy.

And obviously there's some question marks with his health going forward. They just drafted a corner in the first round, still got King there. But he can definitely go in there and fit and play. I don't know how excited he will be. And this is something I think about too. Obviously, being a former player, you're 31. You're going from Boston. You've been there for the last few years.

Do you want to go and move out to Green Bay? I mean, if I got Tampa Bay, I got L.A., I mean, those would be some destinations that I'm looking for. I think Green Bay would be kind of four or five on that list. But if you're going, I mean, they got a contender, obviously, with A-Rod there in the quarterback position. But I think it's some other destinations that would be more appealing to Gilly. Do you remember the reaction to Aaron Rodgers when he said,

hey, when people are coming to Green Bay, this isn't like a destination city. They're coming to play football with me and the team that we have. And then people are like, oh, this prima donna. Like some people are calling him this whole thing. And then Darius is like, hey, let me lay this out for you real quick. You can go to Tampa. You can go to L.A. or Green Bay, Wisconsin. How about it?

What do you say? Did you see the Ryder Cup? That was fucking electrifying, dude. You get the chance to play on this storied franchise. You get the chance to play in Lambeau. And it is a team that's going to go. That's the biggest sell. Hey, if you join us, we are going to go.

Now, I don't know how long this deal is going to work for. I don't know what you're thinking, how you're thinking, but that seems like fun. There's a lot of teams out there. The Titans, I guess the Titans are another team that their fans were tweeting this morning. Get them on the Titans. I think this is going to be – Hell no. They stink.

They stink. You've got to go to a contender, man. He's a guy who wants to – I don't want to speak for the guy, but number one, he's played in Buffalo. He's played in Boston. Let's get some warm. Titans are warm, but, you know, they stink right now, let's be honest. All right. What about Arizona, D, but they lost Butler before the season and retired?

Arizona would be sweet as well. You know, obviously a good team who look like they're going to be in it down the stretch. Great young quarterback. A defense who's already playing well. Got some playmakers in the secondary. We got a rookie starting out there, Marco Wilson. So, I mean, you would feel much more comfortable as a defensive coordinator

with Joseph putting in Gilmore in that defense. So that's another team that will make a ton of sense. And once again, another great place to live down in Arizona. Yeah, Phoenix is awesome. Yeah. I was about to say, like, I mean, all right, so now we got Tampa,

L.A., Phoenix, fifth largest city in America, by the way, out there in the middle of the desert. It is... Growing. It's growing fast, too.

It is beautiful, though. I mean, it is a beautiful state. It is... Oh, yeah? It is unbelievable. It's like you're on vacation over there. Or Green Bay.

Hey, let's go fucking win one. Hey, let's go now. Hey, we saw you on Speak for Yourself yesterday. You were fantastic. We appreciate you joining us here on a short amount of notice for the Stefan Gillilock conversation. Appreciate you having me, bro. Hey, that was Speak for Yourself.

That was a whole thing. You were like guest hosting there for that thing. Yeah, you know, my guy Acho, you know, Acho hit me and said, jump on the show, man. So I went on there and talked to some cowboys per usual and a little bit of stillers. One of the questions actually is Tomlin going to survive this year. Oh, we saw.

Yeah, yeah, we saw. We saw, D-Boy. Yeah, we saw. Yeah, we really saw, man. Talk much when they started. No, no, we saw. Ladies and gentlemen, We saw it. We saw it. No, no. We saw it. Ladies and gentlemen, host of the Man to Man podcast.

You've seen him on Speak for Yourself. You've seen him all around the globe. An I-I-I and nine-year NFL vet, Darius Brother. Thank you, Darius Brother. Appreciate you. There were some absurd headlines on the bottom of the screen that Darius Brother was on yesterday. But hey, that's sports talk, baby. That's right.

Well, we know the guy who's writing those headlines. Best in the business. Best in the business. The best. I don't know if

that's Braum. Oh, it is. Look at my head. That's what I was going to say. There was no reason for that.

My God. There was no reason for it. Anyways, that's an inside, inside, inside. Very inside baseball.

Very inside the office. Jimmy Neutron. That is a very inside the office joke, but some of those headlines are absurd they're crazy uh but that's crazy the stefan gilmore conversation there what was that like 10 teams we got to yeah i mean and everybody's gonna want him because how good he is and if you

can get a guy that can lock somebody down or just add to your incredible defense in a fashion that you think maybe this is the missing piece why wouldn't you go for it now who knows who will want to spend that money you know we've seen gms who potentially do have the bank or the capability and the need for a certain position say nah it's not how we do it or whatever uh but there are some teams i think who have completely debunked that theory and just said nah we'll go we'll use the transfer portal actually yeah we will go pay for uh we'll go pay guys and get them in here oh that's the nba no no actually these are the rules that everybody's had for a very long time and we actually figured out how to do it and it turns out we got no state taxes down here either and uh tom brazier quarterback or in kansas city hey we got we got a you know it's amazing that kansas

city's been able to do it because much i don't want to say much similar to green bay because i think kansas city's larger than green bay much much larger much larger I think oh yeah much much much larger so I don't want to disrespect the city of Kansas City or Green Bay but with that weather okay in that I mean I guess getting to play in the in Arrowhead is a experience right just like it is in Lambeau it's an an awesome thing. But with that weather, being able to keep the incredible talent, I mean, that's another tribute to Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Tyreek, Andy Reid, the build

that they, the core that they have there. And I think that's why the Chiefs knew that they had to lock them all down. It might be hard to attract talent from other places to Kansas City if Tampa Bay and Los Angeles are two destination places that are happening, and the Arizona Cardinals in Phoenix are starting to get into the game flying private planes to people to go pick them up this is not normal in the NFL this is this is very new that

teams are starting to open their pocketbook and start paying and figuring out how they can pay more money down the road to invest in right now it's kind of a change in a lot of things but whenever you start thinking about the amount of teams that Stephon Gilmore could go to, I mean, he can make a lot of teams better right now. He knows it too. I mean, isn't that like the quote-unquote cap guru? Like every team has like a cap guru.

Isn't that your job, like to be creative? A lot of stuff is coming out that it's basically going to be like a $3 million cap hit to get him this year. So damn near every team could afford him. But with it happening this morning like do you think this is the type of situation where do you think he'll he'll be moved today i don't know i think he'll sign in the next couple days i'd assume because he was put on the pup which is a six-week uh designation right does that carry through no right because his contract's up so

so he would be able to play this weekend i guess if he was to be signed by a team i don't think that'll happen it'll probably be next week is where he'll debut depending upon i mean richard sherman visited on wednesday yeah yeah signed on thursday healthy though yeah because the pup is a designation because they're estimating how long it's going to be like if they think it's going to be three weeks i are now because that's how long it is if they think it's going to be whatever they do that and i think there are people that can come off the pup earlier yeah in the training camp you can he's been training too he's posted photos of him you know playing at least on the field with sorry good no no because if it was a lesser of injury you saw some of the teams put them on the initial 53

and then put them on the ir so it was only three weeks yeah i don't know i'll be excited to see i'll be excited to see what the ruling is on the PUP because that is something that teams use as a strategy, but also it's like a big decision whenever somebody goes on the pup list. It's a conversation, you know, who's on the pup and everything like that. So, I don't know. It feels like if he's posting videos of him training and running and moving. And I also like the thought of somebody who's really great at something

having to reprove themselves. I think that is a weapon. Now, I also said this about a situation maybe that didn't work out with Cam Newton or whatever up there, but I think Uncle COVID came through there a little early and maybe derailed a lot of things. And then, obviously, the roster was much different. But I think somebody having to reprove themselves

is always good for performance. I just honestly believe that, especially if you're going to a place where there's a lot of other people that are great, right? Because you want to be and you are in the conversation with these people and you see and learn from other people that are maybe in your sphere. And I'm not saying the NFL isn't loaded with incredible talent. But if you go to one of these rosters that is all OG vets that are probably Hall of Fame's a couple rings away from Hall of Fames, all of them. You can learn things. You have to reprove yourself to them. They're asking you questions, and whenever you teach stuff, it's how you learn the best.

I mean, it's like I think this is going to be because I guess people have said Stephon Gilmore hasn't played his best football in the last year. Like I guess people have been saying that. That's been a knock by people maybe that are on the New England Patriots side, but I don't think that's the case at all. No. I mean, he legitimately just won defensive player of the year in 2019.

It's not like he's been bad. He wasn't bad last year. It was just one of those situations where, similar to Edelman, I guess Edelman ended up retiring, but we were at the point in the season where we weren't going to make the playoffs. We weren't going to go on a run.

Why would he even keep playing? Because he did play through injury for a little bit, and then the quad got to a point. And remember, there was the conversations where he, I want to stay here, he was saying. Like, publicly, his either representation or him was leaking. Like, I would like to stay, or I'd like to get a deal done, even if it's not, like, the biggest deal.

I'd like to get it done. And I just assumed behind the scenes that they did make him an offer, but he didn't deem it, this is nowhere near acceptable. And then, well, we're never going to be able to come to an agreement. Let's just cut you now, I guess. Is that what bill belichick's thinking well so he was comfortable to your point he talked about how he was comfortable to finish out this contract with nothing after and go into free agency but they talked about how they've been trying to get a deal done with jamie collins but they haven't had enough cap room so i think they just weighed

do we need jamie collins more do we need a corner more and obviously after you know the bucks basically beat us on the ground game, we needed the help in the middle more than anything. Defensive player of the year shit just a couple years ago. He gets cut going into week five. The only thing anybody's talking about is him. Jalen Smith's out there like, hey, I got cut too. What about me?

What about me? Is anybody talking about that? It's because of the clips that are coming out of Jalen Smith. Not good, man. The internet is getting Jalen right now. Yeah. There's a lot of lowlights. Mm-hmm. A lot of lowlights. Mm-hmm.

A lot of lowlights. How many has? Yeah, I don't know if nobody's on his side or if he just, are they highlighting every time he makes the wrong decision into what gap he's supposed to fill? Well, the biggest Cowboys fan I know, Mitt, he posted photos from training camp of Ezekiel Elliott absolutely dicing him.

So when I see that, I say, oh, okay. There's no way this guy's worth it. Well, Zeke is really good, though, you're talking about. Oh, no, absolutely. But, I mean, shit, if he can't break down and wrap up, give me Jimmy Collins. I don't want Jalen Smith if that's what's happening. No, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about in general the only conversation is where Stephon Gilman.

I'm not talking about you. Hey, listen. No, I know. I'm just from a fan's perspective. Jesus Christ. Not my perspective. What a fan might think going forward watching this. Yeah, obviously not. You're a journalist. from a fan's perspective. Not my perspective. What a fan might think. You're a journalist.

You're a baseball journalist now too. Hell yeah. I love baseball. The sound of the crack of that bat. How about when the big green monster was just eating up Yankee home runs all night last night. Nothing gets me going more, Pat. That big green monster was hungry.

I love baseball. AMC Mega Bowl. Those are supposed to be home runs in other parks. Not in Boston. No, the Boston big green monster said, give me that. You got to get it higher if you want a home run in Boston. Yeah. We'll be higher around here.

You know why? Because I'm still fucking here, dude. Boom. Big green. Cuz. That's right. B-Ggm did you guys chant bgm last night when they fucking big green monsters stole two home runs from the new york yankees and the biggest mega bowl of all time no we don't have to cheer for the monsters because the monster speaks for itself they actually were all cheering, Garrett, after he gave up his home run right off the bat. Garrett Cole was in a bad spot.

Yeah. What's that all about? Is it because of no spider attack? I don't know. I mean, when you throw 100 miles an hour, usually you can't just throw right down the middle every time because if you do, like, there are guys on the other team who are getting paid to hit it out of the park as well.

And they will time that up. Yeah, exactly. Because, I mean, I was in a batter's box one time from the wrong side of the plate. And the guy pitched 92 and literally the first pitch I saw, I hit it. And this is not a joke. I had zero power behind it.

I had no clue how to get the entire body in line to get power on that thing. First pitch I seen though, fucking boom! Hit it square. Okay. Pulled a hamstring running the first.

They obviously gunned me out. I mean, it was just bad baseball hit. But I would assume, you know, the, the good baseball players,

100 miles an hour is probably better because the faster it comes, the further that thing's traveling. Oh yeah. So they're waiting on that thing. Now, the little tiny cuz came in with all the tats for the Yankees at one point.

Had a cross tattoo right behind his ear. The wise guy? Yeah, the wise guy. There it is. The wise guy. He threw fucking heaps. Wise guy can throw it. 97, 98 or whatever.

And it looks like he is. Very violent arm whip. Yes. It looks like he is trying to rip his shoulder and arm off of his socket there. He will. That's when Uncle Tommy John will come by? Yeah. Okay. Makes sense, by the way. That's not a Tommy John. He has not been Tommy John yet. No, no.

He's a young guy. Young gun. Really good this year. Is that how all these call it? Is this how all these young pitchers throw? It looked like he was trying to break his arm while he was throwing last night. I mean, it was insane. And they were like 97 miles an hour. It was like, holy shit.

But I didn't understand how those guys couldn't turn on it because it seemed like that's all he was throwing. And what's up with these umps, dude? Are we going to have a consistent fucking... That home plate ump was bad both ways last night. Very bad. As long as you're bad both ways. Yeah. If we're all wrong,

we're all right. That thing they show below the scorter, that little... K-Zone? Yeah. So it just has to hit it? Because there was one part where it hit the front of it,

I think. Yeah, the Yankee strikeout. Clearly a ball, you know, but what are you going to do? But it did hit the K-Zone. K-Zone says it's a strike. It's a K-Zone. It is the K-Zone.

Strike's a strike. Well, that's what I was thinking. Why do we even have the human there? And then everybody says, well, playing with the strike zone is actually a part of it. And when instead it actually fucking ruins you there because the K-Zone said that thing was. Yeah, so you did touch the K-Zone. I don't think I fully understand baseball and maybe that's why I don't like it. But I dabbled into like four or five different things last night.

Yeah. I watched Chappelle's entire, I think we got to get to a break. I watched Chappelle's entire, I think we've got to get to a break. I watched Chappelle's entire, entire thing. The closer. How was it? He, I mean,

Chappelle is a fearless, fearless human being. He left it out there. I'm going all the way? Does not care. He said two or three times and I'm going all the way. He said,

and then early in there, that is nowhere near as bad as where we're going or whatever hold on i was like all right this guy in detroit by the way yeah i heard he buried detroit i mean in a couple of specials but the uh he did he let it either yeah i mean doing your final one in a city is a massive decision i'd assume yeah so the fact he did in detroit i had a lot of respect for. And the way that thing ends is a, I think it is a pretty solid

ending to his Netflix run, I think. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm a Chappelle fan, though, so. Absolutely. Hard not to be. Well, there are people. I think he talks about it. He actually talks about it. At a bar. He talks about it, yeah. I mean, it's fascinating, and there's people that hate us, but I watched that, and I got back to the game. It was bar. He talks about it. Yeah. I mean, it's fascinating.

And there's people that hate us. But I watched that and I got back to the game. It was fucking fourth inning. Yep. So I watched an entire piece of art, basically, from, you know, the go-to stand-up comedy. Yeah. Got back. It's still fourth inning.

Oh, yeah. They took the Monday Night Football approach and delayed it until about nine o'clock. So. I went, finished the Sopranos movie. What'd you think? I didn't really know much about fuck. Because I never watched the Sopranos, but I got off the movie. Nice. I got back sixth inning.

What the fuck? You guys watched that entire game? You watched the special and the movie? I finished the movie. Watched the special, finished the movie, which I only had like 45 minutes left, I think. How? What the? You guys.

Oh, yeah. Not you. You just said you never watch. Edge of my seat. First game of the year. Edge of my seat the whole game. Who gives a fuck? One through nine, baby.

Big game of ball D. Is the fucking man. I understand you have incredible money on it. You can. That's how you. That's the only way. Nah understand you have incredible money on it. That's the only way. Nah. That's the only way you can watch that, right? Yeah, exactly.

You have to have an uncomfortable amount of money, which you shouldn't ever. That's the only way you can be interested in every single pitch of that thing last night. Nah, you have a couple fingies of scotch and just enjoy it. Yeah, you have two fingers. You can have fun doing anything, Pat. Well, all right. Stay away from the chalk house. Now that the world's opening back up, so many new thrills are on the horizon.

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McCall, Idaho. That's the Payette Lake out behind me. Beautiful out here. Yeah, we can't see the lake. We can only see the pine trees, but I want to let you know it is gorgeous. Look at you, old man retired in the woods. This is Tina and I's happy place here. It's unbelievable.

Well, our happy place is when you stop by and educate us on stuff going on in the coaching ranks. And I want to ask you how you think the team and the coaches are responding to Nagy potentially after the game this past weekend, giving himself a nod for Lazer's success with Justin Field. However, you can do what you've got to do.

But now that it's been announced that Justin Fields is the starter, what do you think took so long? Why do you think the holdup was? And what ultimately do you think pushed him over the hump to make that decision? Do you think it was pressure from other people? Or do you think Nagy just got to that point naturally? Yeah, you know, going back to the presser, Pat, I mean, all he had to do is get up there and say, hey, look, Bill did a great job.

Fields did a great job. Defense was outstanding. Turnovers, end of discussion. You know, Tino always taught me, less is more. Shut up. You talk too damn much, Chuck. So less is more. Just leave it at that.

And then, you know, I think the court of public opinion, I think the fans, I'm sure there's people in that organization are saying, hey, this kid's our future. Why are we going to delay this any longer? You know, we know what Andy is. He's great in that road. He can become, you know, the next clipboard Jesus, if you will, and be the backup. And, you know, let this kid, you know, get these snaps under his belt instead of waiting, going back and forth, back and forth, you know. So I don't – one way or another, I know the locker room and everybody in that city and that organization is probably fired up.

The field is going to be out there still. Chuck, when you're a head coach of a team, like how aware of you, like of your team and the guys that are playing for you? Are you aware of, okay, how is this going to come across? Whatever I say to the media after the game, during the week, the messaging I'm trying to get across, are you paying close attention throughout the season of where they're at? Hey, these guys, I'm losing some of them, or I'm not.

Hey, I feel like I have them. Are you always something you have to adjust with that? You have to. You'd be totally ignorant not to be in tune to all that stuff, and you've got to watch what you're saying, when you're saying, how you're saying it, because those guys are all watching that. As much as you think that they're not and you say, hey, earmuffs and blinders, all that stuff, they're watching the leader.

The head coach is the guy that's out in front of this organization. He's the guy that everybody's leaning on for direction, and whether you're winning, whether you're losing, good times, bad times, you're the guy that's out front. So you better be in tune to the locker room. You better have a great feel for what's going on in that locker room. So having some great vets, some great leaders like we had in Indy, I had a ton of players, a group of guys like Pat that they could come down to my office. He knew this. It was an open door policy to say hey you know we got this this and this going on and and you know whatever i mean we need to you know maybe back off of some i mean some guys came to me and said hey you know your talk to the team

you know we got blistered out in arizona and a couple of guys came and said your talk to the team was terrible i go i appreciate that i wish you would have stopped me during it we might have made this game competitive you know so no you got to be in tune to that aj uh coach urban meyer and i know the coaching fraternity is probably a buzz right now with everything going on down in jacksonville because there's only 32 nfl head coaches you know there's only this job is obviously you said last week there's only – this job is, obviously, you said last week, it's a lonely one, but it's also a tough one, obviously. That's why it is the highest level in the men's league. Everything that's going on with Urban Meyer and off the field,

the viral video stuff, I don't think to myself, you know, I want to hear what Chuck Pagano thinks about what's going on at Urban's Chop House. But what I do think about is, what does Chuck Pagano think about a head coach not flying back with his team? And A.J. is in Green Bay. We had Lombardi on, Paisan. He's been in Raiders, Cleveland. He's been in New England.

He's been around, he said, 25, 30 years. You've been in the game a long time. None of us have ever heard of this. And this is something that was very – I think that is a call for concern, let alone all the distractions that happened after that. Your thoughts on that, and did that ever cross your mind? Yeah, I was blown away.

I mean, first of all, I thought when those pictures of video came out, I said, okay, someone had to Photoshop this guy into this deal. You know, and then when you come out and you say, okay, this is for real, and that this is right after the game and you didn't fly back with I've never heard of that in my entire life 37 years of coaching um I never saw the head coach miss I I never once um ever thought about not doing that win or win or lose whatever the circumstance. Again, I don't know the circumstances surrounding Urban and the family and staying back and, you know, hey, I want to get out of Dodge. I need to clear the head. You know, everybody needs to. You don't get to do that. You sign

the contract as the head freaking football coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And this guy's a great coach. We all know what his record is, but you don't get to check out. And it's only the fourth week of the season. Yeah. Hell, where's he going after eight games, nine games? You know, you just don't get to do that, Pat and AJ. You know, that's what you signed up for, and you're the face of the franchise. All you've got to – remember how we always said,

protect the name on the back of your jersey and that decal on the side of your helmet. So, like everybody else, you're totally blown away with this. Again, I'm not judging anybody. I've never heard of nobody, you know, getting on the plane and flying home. Because, again, your locker room, we talked about locker room earlier. You know, getting those guys back back this will be like you said what if he turns this whole thing around and they start winning games you know and he comes out and and this will go away just like everything else goes away i mean there's been history of this that and the other

go on and time heals all wounds but this could be hard to get the guys back you know because you're telling what are the five things, Pat, we always talked about when you guys were getting ready to go on a bye week or after a Thursday game and we had these middle, you remember the five things we always mentioned? Give me the first one. Alcohol. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Drugs, yeah. Right. Firearms. Bingo guns, yeah, Bingo guns was there. I believe. Are all things you guys are doing on bi-weeks? No, just stay away from them. Stay away from these things.

We said these are the five things that can get you sideways. You know, women. Strangers, women, random women. Nothing good. Nothing good happens after midnight. Right? How many times have you guys heard that? Nothing good happens after midnight.

So, a lot of those things were broken there. That's right. Yeah, and it's coming from the head coach. So what could you do, though? Let's say someone's in that situation. What could you do? The owner comes out and puts out a statement saying not only does he have to regain, he has to regain our trust and respect, which I thought was interesting in the statement, like what can he do?

I feel like you've got to put everything on the table and just be completely honest, I guess. And I don't know, just let everybody know this is exactly what happened. Yeah, the less is more deal. He should have walked right in there and forget, okay, you know, I wanted to eat dinner here. You know, my family, right across the street, got pictures. Oh, no.

You just go in and you own that shit and just tell the guys, hey, I effed up big time. This was, I mean, a decision that, you know, total distraction to the team. I mean, I screwed up. I owned it. You know, and you own it and you say, Hey, look, I, I don't know how I'm going to get your guys's trust back. I don't know, you know, cause I'm telling you guys all these things. Don't do this. Don't do that.

Especially with COVID going on and all the other things is nobody's talking about that. And then you're putting yourself in this situation where this possibly could happen. You just got to go in and own it and hope that, you know, Hey, look, time will heal all wounds. We can win some games and earn these guys' trust back. But, man, I don't even know how I can walk you through that building. That's a great point, by the way, because a player,

I don't even think they're allowed to go eat at a restaurant or something like that or away games. They can't even leave the hotel or something like that. And this video comes out and everybody's like, what a distraction. It's like, well, also, what about, I think there's some protocols or something so they had to have been broken they were within the distance that was not a lot all right oh yeah could you imagine if he lands on the covid 19 list tomorrow oh my god might be a blessing yeah yeah maybe i'm not sure go ahead ty coach pagano i don't know if you saw the situation between Vic Fangio

and Harbaugh at the end of the Ravens and Broncos game. Was there ever any points in your career when something like that happened where you didn't agree with the way the other coach handled the end of the game? Were there any guys who Fangio said, we expect that kind of bullshit from them? Yeah, I saw it. And you've got to love, you know, the rhetoric going back and forth between these two guys. And, you know, it's your responsibility when you're on the losing end to, you know, do all that you can to put your team in the best possible position to win and not, you know, worry about, hey,

you know, the stadium, you know, I can't believe the stadium, we had to play for this and the locker room, you know, it was like a maze, you know, you got your butt kicked, you know, and I had my butt kicked a bunch, you know, and it's, it's, you know, John Harbaugh, first and foremost, I mean, he's got to look out after his players. That's, that's the first thing. And I always had a little cheat sheet and I'd get with the PR, and I'd say, okay, what records are on the line? What streaks are on the line? Who do we have to protect? Winning the game is the most important, you know, but your players, the players are the most important thing, and you have to have their backs. And you know everybody on that Baltimore team, and especially that offensive line and the streak that they had going, hey, so what? Again, you don't want to lose somebody, you risk injury, things like that. You don't want to do that because that's all fine and dandy until

someone goes down. So you can see both sides of it. We were playing Jacksonville and Indy, excuse me. I forget the year year but we were beating them pretty damn good and Reggie had this this streak going yeah you probably remember you know he he caught three you know had three receptions for x amount of games and it was going to go and going and we come down to the end of the Jacksonville game and they come up to me and tell me Reggie's only got one catch and so I'm like screaming at the offensive coordinator. You guys, I talked to you guys about this stuff. We got it.

There's a minute left, and we're supposed to be getting on a knee. And now I got to find a way. We got to find a way to get this kid two more catches. So we throw him two bubble screens, two little bubbles, and he gets cut in half on the first one. I thought we were going to lose him. He was not happy. Oh, my God.

He comes storming off the field, spiked the ball at me. I said, that's taunting. That's 15 yards. And I'm apologizing. So after the game, you go across the field, and I shake Gus's hand. Gus Bradley was a coach at the time and a hell of a coach and a great dude. And I'm like, Coach, I'm sorry.

And I explained the situation and he goes, yeah, I was wondering what the fuck you were doing. So, remember, then we go to Jacksonville and they beat the Brakes the next year down there, remember? We had the game in control and some freak

game wrecker came off the edge and stripped Matt Hasselbeck of the ball, ran it back for a touchdown. Remember, we should have been up 13-3 at half. And we go up. Yeah, and they go for us. They're up 40 points. Hey, they took a punt back. They took a punt back that day, too.

Yeah. Yeah, you're supposed to get that guy on the ground, Pat. Yeah, I know. Literally. Hey, do what you got to do. Get the guy on the ground. That's always what Chuck, that's what you would do. Just get the guy on the ground, dude.

I know. Watch your highlights. That may just get the guy on the ground. You murdered kids. You were vicious. I'm big, though, Chuck. You know, I'm big. I think one of my favorite moments was it was another game where we didn't have any points or whatever,

and Vinatieri had a scoring streak going on or something like that and I was standing on the sideline like up on the paint or whatever just watching the game and it was it was close to over or whatever and you walk over and you literally go like is this gonna fuck up Vinny's I think you said is this gonna fuck up Vinny's scoring thing and I was like oh that's a great fucking question I don't know so I you know because we we could have never expected that Vinny wasn't even going to go out for an extra point or something like that for a game. I forget what it was.

And I go, I forget who I asked, maybe Conte or something real quick. I like, because I was able to go run and ask a question. And it was, he never stepped foot on the field. So he didn't, he didn't even play in that game, basically. So it didn't stop the scoring streak. And I think I told you that. And you were like, yeah, thank God. All right.

Yeah, because you thought, you thought a little bit of Terry was gonna be that is something you cared about a lot and I think your players appreciated that but there's obviously a way I guess where another coaching staff could get pissed off about it go ahead Connor yeah Chuck this weekend we get the first installment of the illustrious London game uh how do you kind of keep your guys prepared for that and how do you get ready for a game that you've got to travel for in all the different time changes? Yeah, great question. That was really tough because, you know, as Pat can attest to and A.J.,

you know, we're all about routine, and we're about structure. And Monday is Monday, Tuesday is Tuesday, Wednesday is Wednesday, and now you get thrown and you look at the schedule and say, we're playing such and such in London. And that is a ball buster, man, on an organization, on a team. I mean, it's hard. It is really, really hard. And we went over there in 16, close one lost to jacksonville by by three um i went over

there uh in 19 with the bears lost a close one by four to the raiders um it's really really difficult so what we tried to do is you got to get all your work done get a lot of work done you know up until thursday and then what we did was, you know, get the lion's share of the game plan in and then fly over Thursday night and try to convince the players, okay, you have these little goodie bags with the melatonin, with all this stuff to help you sleep, and this is mandatory. You have to sleep all the way over. Yeah, yeah.

Okay? You have to sleep all the way over so then when we get to London all the way over. So then when we get to London, all right, it's like six 30, seven 30 in the morning, we leave Thursday night sometime. Right. And then we get there and then we got to keep you up. And so nobody slept. I was walking through the plane and not a damn person was asleep. They're playing cards. They're playing, you know, doing playing talk, all this stuff. And I'm like, get to bed, God damn it. Our body clocks, we're going to get our asses kicked. So you try to do that.

Keep them up Friday. Give, you know, we stayed at this nice little place, you know, out. I forget where that was, Pat. That was, that was a nice, that was a nice luxury, a nice perk. But, you know, remember it was raining. We had our walkthrough in a ballroom. You know, remember when we had that when we used to do that mock game? Oh, yeah, the walk-through.

And we had to walk through inside. We had that nice little field. But it's a test to an organization and to a team. And Jacksonville, that was like a home game for them forever. You know, so they had it down pat. And you just knew if you were a betting man, okay, who's Jacksonville playing in London this year? Okay, that one I'm loading up on.

Yeah, Jacksonville is probably going to cover no matter what. AJ, did you ever play over there? I guess just hearing from Chuck there, me and Chuck are completely defeated in England. Did you play over there? No, I never played there. I was always curious of what it was like. I've heard different stories. It's usually pretty similar to what you guys have told me.

On the way home, you've got to go through the actual airport. That's what I learned. That was a grinder. It was a lot easier coming back than going for me from body clock and all that stuff. I don't know how it was for the players, but you remember in 16, to make sure, because if you

play the later game over there, the league told us that you can't fly out you have to stay an extra night like when i was in chicago we had to stay we got beat by the raiders and then we had to have a party which nobody wanted to go to because i mean a reception at the hotel and then get up the next morning fly out because they won't let you fly out of there and so this great idea we had in indy was like, okay, Pete Ward and I were on the phone with the league, and he said, okay,

they'll guarantee us the early game if you won't take the bye the next week. So I'm like, okay, okay, play the game. We win. We get to fly home. All right. We play Chicago the following week, if you remember this, and don't take the bye. And that was rolling the dice.

I don't know how smart that was, but just to make sure that we got home a day earlier, AJ and guys, and thank God we beat Chicago. No, thank God we beat Chicago that next weekend, because I was done then. We were escorted. We appreciated the decision, though. I think everybody was

excited to get home after that thing. But we weren't allowed to leave because Jacksonville flew first because they won or something like that. I forget. We were held up in that dining area or whatever. And then, obviously, the airport situation for me was one that was wild. Go ahead, Diggs. Did you know I was on like you had to have? You know, I had a bunch of edibles.

A bunch of them. A bunch. A bunch of them. And I thought, you know. With dope in them of edibles, a bunch of them, a bunch, a bunch of them. And I thought, you know, with dope in them with, uh, all right, easy. The way you described the things that I was eating, but I didn't know we were going through the actual airport. So I had to make those disappear. You know, if you do recall, we're on those buses to the actual airport. What is that? Heath?

Heath row. We're going to the actual airport there. So I had to eat all those edibles. I was on, I was above that plane on the way home, Chuck. That was a wild. I knew there was something responsible for some of the decisions that you've made. But matter of fact, I'm all over those edibles now. Let's go! It's so good for my body. uh you know agreed all that kind of stuff

make it helps me sleep yeah it's all my joint pain you can golf every single day on those things i love it yeah me too i love them a little bit too much you know and i do if you do recall when those and you never did a butter of it because you're a head coach you know obviously you're a head coach you never were part of it but those days where those annual tests were announced to the team man what a fucking celebration when McAfee was said I those are some of the happiest days of my life coach those are some of the best days of my life how about when Dave would come up you know after practice okay coach I got a you know list of names okay okay hammer way go ahead hammer and so I just start going through the

A to Z, right? And guys are just like... Not good. Just got their head down like, God, please, please, please don't call my name. And I'm like, oh, thank God. And then there's some people, you know, like, wait, Mathis? Okay, what's next?

Mac fucking Wright. Okay. Alright, I'm free or I got three more months to wait. What a wild time it is in the NFL. We're talking to Coach Chuck Pagano. Happy National Coaches Day, Chuck. Thank you, Coach. Thank you for your leadership and guidance. Go ahead, Paisan, Tone.

Yeah, Komp. We watched a couple weeks ago the— What was that? Komp. Is that Italian? Buddy and Pau Italian. Oh. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Yeah. Hey. Me and your dad. Comp. Coach Diggs loves that, so I had to fit that in on National Coach Day. Shout out Coach Diggs. Two weeks ago, Niners left Aaron Rodgers with 37 seconds or whatever like that.

And some people in the media were like oh they scored scored too quickly blah blah they had to score how do you deal with it as a coach uh when you're going up against a great quarterback on scoring leaving too much time on the clock stuff like that at the end of the half or a game yeah sitting there watching it uh you know live I said just the same thing everybody else said you can't leave that much time on the clock because he's a bad man and as a defensive coach we're all sitting there yeah why'd you score so goddamn fast jesus christ and you're on the sideline getting ready to throw up, you know, God, another two-minute drill against this dude, 37 seconds, no timeout.

I mean, you try to manage the game and manage the clock in those situations, you know, all the offensive guys and half the group's going to say, yeah, just score. You know, doesn't matter. We got to score, you know, get the lead on this team. And everybody else is like, burn the time off the clock. Let's use our timeouts. You remember all the situational stuff that we did, Pat. You know, we'd have those deals, especially with timeouts,

where we'd go QB middle. We'd decide, okay, Vinny, where do you want this ball? Based on weather, indoors, outdoors, field, grass, turf, you know, how close it was because he always wanted it. The only place he ever wanted in the middle of the field was like really close. Extra points. We just got from the middle. Right?

But then everything else, you say, okay, where do you want this ball? And so we would grandfather it. We'd go quarterback middle left, quarterback middle right, protect it. It's like taking a knee and take all that time off, get it under five seconds, and then trust vinny because you know obviously he's the the goat the best that ever done it uh you know kicking you know field goals and pats hall of famer first ballot and uh you know kick that thing and don't leave any time on the clock and you got to walk off home run rather than give that ball to aaron rogers

and that offense and because what you saw happen is going to happen and you said one half of the people say score now you need to touch on the other half say no kick the field goal ultimately hindsight's going to be the the judge right I mean that is how everything is in the NFL if it works you're the smartest of all time if not you're an idiot that's kind of those decisions, especially when it comes to the situational stuff. I can't thank you enough for joining us, coach. You're the best, dude. Thanks for having me. I love being on with you guys. Now, did we cover everything we wanted to cover? I think so. I think we covered it. Oh, hey, who decides who gets intro'd at most places? Do you know? Is that the coach? Is that front office? Is that marketing? Who decides that?

At most places. Do you know? Is that the coach? Is that front office? Is that marketing? Who decides that? Yeah, so I think it's a collaborative effort. You know, all the above that you just mentioned. Coach, PR department, you know, Avis and Conte, you know,

special circumstances, situations surrounding the game. Try to even the thing out. You know, defense one week, offense the next week, and then even special teams one week my god and do you and do you remember oh yeah that situation and what went down uh you you asked me if i had ever been introduced before and uh i said no and you said uh well you're getting introduced today and i immediately said oh my god i got to think of something to do that's awesome or whatever and i think you regretted the decision immediately i'm not 100 sure uh did anything else happen

no that was exactly it but you know we write the deals up on the deal and i said hey you know exactly what you said and you're like holy shit are you serious yeah are you fucking serious you're really gonna do special teams and then he starts running back to his locker and i said what are you doing he goes i gotta think of something to do i gotta spruce up my outfit make sure my pants are on right jersey's right my chin straps okay all this stuff and then come up with you know having a plan so uh no we've that's a collaborative effort and and we just tried to spread it around and take care of everybody because you know those four or five seconds whatever it is getting to run out of that damn tunnel whether it's smoke this that or the other right used to love seeing luck come

charging out of there full speed you know running a 4-6-40 out of there but that's a special moment for you right i mean that's regardless four or five, it's huge in a player's life for me. Yeah, and Aaron actually talked about it two weeks ago. Aaron said that moment of running out, like the rush that it gives him, even in year 17, year 18, it's a cool thing because it's the ultimate team sport, but you're getting a chance to hear a little bit of love from the crowd for the individual. I was very thankful for it, as I am for your time every single Wednesday. Happy National Coaches Day.

You absolutely crushed. You're getting better and better, Chuck. Oh, yeah. We look forward to this a lot. We feel like we learn things every single time. We appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. Take care.

Ladies and gentlemen, Coach is up. Chuck hosts Chuck Pagano. Yeah, Chuck! Also, some stooge in Columbus, Ohio joins us for a couple hours a day whenever he can. Yeah. You know, whenever he's not out and about hoity-toity highfalutin around at these black tie events, which, by the way, we have to have some representative at, so we're thankful it is this guy from Ohio. representative at so we're thankful it is this guy from Ohio ladies and gentlemen college football national champion Super Bowl champion Ryder Cup champion and a man you know as part of the show is about to have 1.5 million subscribers on YouTube man yeah we appreciate you all for real

we have no idea why honestly and we assume you'll get sick of us at some point but fuck it let's keep it going ladies and gentlemen AJ Haw A.J. Hall. Yeah! I mean, you always are so good at intros. This guy owns two fucking shirts. Come on. It's unbelievable. Good, I'm like Obama. I'm just going to wear the same thing every day so I don't have to make those decisions.

Okay, so that's Steve Jobs, I think. Maybe President Obama. Obama did it, too. Okay, and a lot of people do, I guess, because, you know, a lot of people... He had, like, four suits, four different colors, a couple colors he wore. Those suits. I mean, to be do, I guess, because, you know, a lot of people. He had like four suits, four different colors, a couple colors he wore. I mean, to be clear, I should not mock anything that anybody does.

You buy 50 D'Elia tank tops at once and then throw them all the way up. I've been wearing these tank tops a long time before your favorite comedian or whatever. But I'm just saying it is something that Steve Jobs talked about, why he became the turtleneck jeans, new balance guys, because it takes a decision, a thought out of his day. I have my costume. I know what I'm wearing and I'm going to move on with it. And yeah, I'll just buy 50 tank tops from Amazon. And then whenever they're done, it's a little bit of a scramble. Oh my God, I have other clothes. Do I? And then we just get more and then we wash them and then we're right back in it. You try to offend people with your three shirts that you have

and that is my biggest issue i think well i do not offend people by wearing a shirt of one of the greatest american guitarist ever to live sorry about that that's the only reason i wear this shirt and also it is wednesday so i feel like i am obligated to wear this oh yeah coach is up chuck wednesday your chuck is chuck berry my chuck is coach chuck pogano it's national coaches day obligated to wear this. Oh, yeah. Coach is up Chuck Wednesday. Your Chuck is Chuck Berry. My Chuck is Coach Chuck Pagano. It's National Coaches Day. What did Urban Meyer, you think, do to celebrate National Coaches Day? I know he ran a team meeting this morning. Did you hear the way that was being worded?

Urban Meyer addressed his entire team this morning, and this is what he was saying. Oh, so he had a fucking team meeting, okay, every Wednesday morning that happens. And they talked about how he owned it and everything like that. Happy National Coaches Day. I think that was the biggest coaching thing he's done in the past few days or whatever, so maybe they are able to get past this down there in Jacksonville.

AJ? Yeah, we'll see. I just got done reading something about when reporters asked him if he okayed it with Shot Kahn to stay back in Ohio, and he said, I talked to Bauke, the GM, a long time in advance. So, yeah, this thing is not going to end anytime soon. Yeah, it's not going to end anytime soon because, obviously, and if they lose, it's going to go.

Gumpy brought up a great point earlier, a great point earlier, and I don't know if his microphone's on or not, but I will say that at Bubba Gumpino brought this point up earlier because when it came out in the press conference, way in advance, he got that okayed by uh bulky or whatever okay way in advance he got that in the week or whatever so a couple quick things that tells me uh so urban meyer knew what he was doing was probably not an acceptable thing right so he actually had to go to the gm and say like hey is it cool if i do anytime you have to say is it cool if I do? Anytime you have to say, is it cool if I do something, normally there's a thought in your head that you shouldn't, right?

And so I'm not 100% sure. Maybe Urban Meyer's a different human than me, but that is what that told me. And then Gumby brought up, so if they won, if they win there, he gets his first win, Trevor Lawrence gets his first win, that entire crew, he was going to stay behind? Or was it like, hey, if we lose, I'm going to stick around? If they won, I was going to stay with the grandkids.

And then Bell stopped by a chop house, of course, obviously. Like, is that how that thing was going to go? And that was a great question by Gumpy, I thought. I think the more information we find, he just needs to be entirely truthful about everything. Because then you don't have to remember what's what and how is it going to be taken, you know? Yeah, if you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything that happened. You just recall what you just tell people exactly what went on. But, okay, let's say they won the game.

I mean, great question, Gump. I didn't think of that. Let's say they won the game. Jacksonville's fans are very excited. A horde of them show up to the airport to welcome their team that just got their first victory, and your head coach isn't there. That would have been a very bad look. You're right.

Yeah, and I would assume if they win. Much better than what happened, though. Much better than the look we have now. Yeah, well, I think if they win and he – I mean, that's going to be a bad look and then he's going to follow that up. I think if they win, what he'd be doing. I mean, he may be miserable, drunks or worse, and doing crazier things, but a celebratory Urban back there in Columbus, I couldn't even fathom.

But I did like hearing, you know hearing that it sounds like to his team, he was at least being a human. I didn't see that. Who did that come from? Did the players speak to the media? How did that come out? No, sources, dude. Sources.

This morning. He had a news conference this morning. He had a news conference this morning, but the sources were talking about what he addressed in the team meeting, right? I don't think Urban talked about what he said in the team meeting to the reporters in the press conference. I think it was a source. I think it was Rappaport, actually, that said that he addressed,

he embarrassed the two things in his life he loves most is his family and football, and he embarrassed both of them or something. He embarrassed himself with both of them. He took ownership in front of the team, allegedly, this morning. Who knows what's real and what isn't real? Allegedly, yesterday he got laughed out of position groups. I mean, this is quite a saga for a head coach in the NFL. A fucking head coach in the NFL.

There's only 32 of them. I assume they win a game. Nobody will even ask any more questions about it. I don't know if one win is going to make this thing slide under the rug, but maybe he was thinking by staying back. He had done that. I know college coaches do that sometimes to stay back and recruit if they're playing somewhere.

Maybe that wasn't his thought. That was probably always like the excuse. Oh, yeah. That was the excuse. He's like, hey, I got a couple free agent workouts down here. I got some dudes I'm going to work out. Where are we at? We're right near my chop house.

Oh, yeah. I think I got a recruit. What a life, dude. I think I got to recruit. I think I got to recruit. What a life, dude. What an insane world. What if he just turns around this whole thing and wins? Be hell of a story. I don't think we have to worry about that.

Yeah. No. They might get beat by 40 on Sunday. They might get beat by 70. I mean, it sounds like if the team – now, the players still want to make money. Okay? So the players don't want to put shit football on the field, even if nobody in there, including some of the coaches,

probably have turned to the players' side, if I had to guess. And I'm not a Hermson Shore, but I assume some of the players are like, we don't fucking know either, dude. We've been around the NFL 20 years. We have never seen anything like this before. I wonder if that could potentially be

a bunker mentality. Oh! And this is what Gumpy's calling for. Gumpy's calling for the Jacksonville Jaguars-Urban Meyer revenge game. We have some breaking news, Zito, saying like big breaking news. The Panthers traded for Stephon Gilmore, sending a 2023 six-round pick to New England. So after it being announced that Stephon Gilmore was released by the Patriots this morning, a quote from Stephon, a quote from Bill Belichick saying that we mutually agreed to part ways.

And then now it not being official until 4 p.m. is what everybody said, which still doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know how this works. I don't know how this is anywhere near fair to Stephon Gilmore. I don't know if he had to okay this or not okay this, but it being announced that he's getting cut as a leverage play to get final offers for Stephon Gilmore, I don't know. Listen, he's probably happy, okay? They'll look back on this as a good thing, but the Carolina Panthers just got an absolute dog, and there are fan bases around the NFL that are mightily pissed I'd assume that it only took a six round pick to get Stephon Gilmore today AJ Hawk the timing is

weird and the fact that he put the statement out and all of that it had to be right where they were trying to get like a final offer hey if you really want him like and you don't want to be bidding with other teams reach out and let's see what you can offer us is that what happened i don't i don't and then allegedly his agent was talking to mike barard mike gray bird no mike something mike no there was mike gerardi greg bedard greg bedard yeah he was in green bay he was a writer in green bay now he's in new eng, right? According to Greg Bedard, Stefan's agent was telling him that he knows how to work his leverage and that there's no trade. Sign with the Packers.

That's the latest league thinking after Greg A. Bedard says that this thing isn't over until 4 p.m., which, once again, I don't get. Like, I thought as soon as you cut somebody, you just send a paperwork to the nfl boom they're cut like i thought that's how this whole thing worked this happened with the raiders i think they announced that they were uh cutting or moving on from rodney hudson i think and he went to arizona maybe and they said he's they're released it's all things happen and then a couple hours later he was traded to arizona so i don't

know if this is a new move. We need an agent. We need an agent on quick to tell us just a quick answer. How does that work? Why does it happen? Yeah, because that fucks the player, you know? Yeah, maybe he thought, like, all right, I'm going to have multiple teams. I kind of get to pick and choose maybe where I could go

and also get a little bit more money probably. Yeah, not that Steph, by the way, didn't want to go to Carolina. I have no idea if there was an agreement. Could be a lot worse places. That's not a bad spot right now. And I think he's from Carolina as well, so I think it's a homecoming type situation. And I know that's why they were allegedly so high on Deshaun.

They wanted to be in the game because they have the richest owner in the NFL at $15.6 billion or something. I think I saw him on a list the other day. And also he's trying to build up that fan base and build up the brand and be great, obviously, with everything going on off the field for Deshaun. They backed off of that whole thing, I think. I'm not 100% sure, but bringing Steph back to

Carolina, I think, is a big move. I just hope that this is where the player wanted to go to. That just seems like an interesting way to do business, and it's starting to happen here in those last couple times. I don't know. I honestly... Steph must have thought... Steph had to think he was released, right? To put that out. There's no way, like, hey, this is what we're going to try to do business and it's starting to happen here in those last couple times and i don't know i honestly must have thought steph had to think he was released right to put that out there's no way okay this is what we're going to try to do his agent field offers for you yeah his agent's allegedly saying now he's going to go to the packers or whatever and that's if the agent is

if that guy's saying latest league thinking that guy's saying and he's also talking to the agent right greg abadart now this is just assuming that Greg A. Bedard has a relationship with Jason. Chet! That's his agent. Continues to be in complete control of the situation. The guy knows how to work his leverage. So let's assume that he's talking to the agent, right? The agent's giving him.

That is quite a put over of that agent by a media source. And then latest league thinking no trade signed with packers clock ticking so let's assume maybe the latest league thinking is that but jason probably had the similar thoughts that he was going to sign with the packers now he's with the panthers you know it's like who knows what did this cause the panthers to jump out there and say hey we don't want like the packers wanted them and the panthers said no we want them if can we give it what Can we give up a six-round pick? Cool, yeah, let's do it and try to get them. By the way,

fuck a six-round pick. Wow. I'm with you. I agree. Bill, with those six-round picks. Yeah, I mean, you're right though. But you can get it back. You can get a six-round pick. You can get three back next year. You can get a six-round pick back easy for anything. Now, I don't, once again, we are not GMs

probably for a reason. And I don't have enough patience to do fantasy football. That's a lot of Now, I don't, once again, we are not GMs probably for a reason. And I don't have enough patience to do fantasy football. That's a lot of time. I don't know how everybody does it. But I'm a big, hey, let's get this Lombardi now. What is a future draft pick going to do for me? I don't know. Somebody run that.

We use so many numbers, right? Stats have taken field goals out of the game basically now. And some people are trying to take the run out of the game because, guess, pass yards are more than rush yards per play. So stats are saying you need to stop running the ball, and then there's an entire thing around that. But I just, man, the thought, the player not being able to go, I'm very much hung up on this. Very much hung up on the fact.

What do you mean? Players know once you sign a contract, you don't really have a lot of say in where you go or what happens from there. But then the agent comes. They're a part of the announcement of the leverage to get me to go somewhere else. Does he know that? It could be an innocent thing, right? Where the Patriots, just the paperwork wasn't final. Maybe it's a 4 p.m. day, like when it becomes official,

and all of a sudden, like, all right, Steph, good luck. Have fun. We'll see you. Thank you for your time. And then all of a sudden, they're getting some calls that they want to trade for. All right. Well, something happened like this, and not at the deadline like this, but I'm sorry, you were going to say something?

Go ahead. Is it possible that Chayut, or whatever the agent's name is, like basically was contacted by Carolina like, hey, we're going to pay Stephen or Stephon. We're going to give him his money. But then Bill would have to agree to this, right? So Bill is the one that would have to agree to this as the GM of the team. So then you would assume that Stephon and Bill are working together.

And if that's the case, good on Bill then, right? I mean, if Bill is taking into consideration only the teams that steph will go to or whatever good on bill for doing that i think and and stud player by the way getting only a six round pick now i know people will say look what happened in the past with certain players let's assume that steph is still a baller if that was in conjunction with i think that's a good move and that's good business that's awesome if not, if it is just a last final call for, hey, can we get a final offer here, that's insane. You would assume that somebody would offer more in a six-round pick,

though, I guess. Right, Faisal? And we're definitely going to find out very soon because he'll agree to an extension or whatever it is that he actually wants with Carolina within, you know, the next week, I'd assume. The thought, though, that they were making space in New England, that's why they had to get rid of Stephon Gilmore, is a very real one. In another situation where the Patriots traded away a player who allegedly behind the scenes, there was conversation about a contract in the middle

of the season. Oh yeah, you're going to Cleveland. And I'm not talking about this Cleveland. It is not this Cleveland Brown team. It is the Cleveland Brown team that was. The Browns is not the Browns. The Browns was the Browns for a long time though. And a man got traded out of New England to Cleveland because a contract conversation happened with Bill Belichick. And this is when the Browns, okay? The Browns was the Browns for a long time, though, and a man got traded out of New England to Cleveland because a contract conversation happened with Bill Belichick, and this is when the Browns were bad and the Patriots were very good. That man then goes back to New England, then goes to Detroit, is now back with New England officially. Jamie Collins has signed with the New England Patriots. The absolute freak show of an athlete linebacker returns to the New England Patriots for the third time after leaving to go to Cleveland and leaving to go to Detroit now he is back with the New England

Patriots an absolute stud had to make cap space to get this signing that's why the Stephon Gilmore news was happening today that makes a lot more sense congrats to Jamie Collins going back to a system that he is very very very comfortable in comfortable in. I think it's awesome. It's great. Like, when Bill is meeting with these guys, whether they're traded or released, like, hey, you know, stay ready. Stay ready. You never know. Coaches like to say, hey, you never know.

Like, the Patriots, you absolutely don't know. You could be back two, three, four times. It feels like Jamie Collins, Bill, you can go get paid somewhere else and you're going to come back here. Yep. Right? That kind of happened a couple different times. Absolutely, yeah. Hey, you want to talk about money? All right, we'll send you're going to come back here. Yep. Right? That kind of happened a couple different times. Absolutely, yeah.

Hey, you want to talk about money? All right, we'll send you somewhere they'll pay you. Go ahead. Go get some guaranteed money for two years, and then they'll release you and you can come right back. Come on back. And I think Jamie, the reason why I hold him in such high regard is because at one point in my actual life, I was down on a knee, one knee, okay?

And I had my left hand down like this and my right hand like this and i stared at him and it looked like he was actually jumping through the window of lucas oil stadium yeah he was so fucking high up in the sky i've never seen a human jump that high he cleared her long snapper by i don't know four or five feet it seemed like and that was one of the cleanest blocks of all time oh my god uh so i think anything that guy wants to do he's capable of doing and uh bill belichick gets a weapon back on the defense side yeah it'll be great too because it frees up van noy to kind of just zero in on just being a pass rusher now which will be unbelievable for the defense yeah kyle van noy rushing a passer just like old ninkovich used to back in oh that's right oh Rob Ninko flying around out there Stephon Gilmore news is huge kind of covers up the Jalen

Smith news did you hear us talk about that earlier he was I didn't hear you talk about it but where's he gonna go uh we don't know but there's been no conversation or chatter about it and I think the reason why is because in NFL circles they potentially got the same videos that the internet got of Jalen Smith over the last couple of years. I think he has, um, he needs, he needs to put out some highlights. I, and I don't,

I don't know if that's, uh, you know, I tried to tell old, uh, old, what's his name? Joe was the politician who was just getting buried. Yeah.

Joe Donnelly. Joe Donnelly. Sleepy Joe Donnelly. Acapulco Joe. Acapulco Joe. The Senator or congressman from Indiana. He was getting buried PR wise in this congressional race or

whatever the hell it was. And I was just, you know, I was trying to tell him like hey, you need to put out some positive. You need to do something. You're getting buried. And I'm not in the political world. I just live in Indiana. I was forced to see this. There is only lowlights of Jalen Smith hitting the internet right now. I don't know what that's all about. And I think it's because the Dallas Cowboys fans maybe are such

big fans that they want to defend the Dallas Cowboys for cutting Jalen Smith, even though they're going to owe him like, I think, $16 million over the next two years. It's $16 million in dead cap space. 2021, $9.8 million. $7.2 million of that is cash. I don't know what the fuck that means. And then in 2022, $6.8 million or whatever i don't know what the fuck that means and then in 2022 6.8 million or whatever don't know what any of that means i assume that's the money that they owe jalen smith that they won't be able to pay other players on their cap but who knows they cut him in the middle of a contract uh and i think cowboys fans were trying to support the decision publicly and we saw a lot of bad videos a lot of bad plays of jalen smith maybe he hasn't got all the way up to his ceiling yet,

but he's going to get picked up by somebody, I assume. Right, AJ? I mean, there's no conversation right now. Yeah, he'll get picked up. I don't know who it may be or if they're going to give him, like, what kind of deal, maybe a prove-it deal. We know he's crazy athletic. He's super fast.

But, I mean, he had one of the nastiest, what, leg-slash-knee injuries coming out of college in his bowl game. I respected the fact that the Cowboys drafted him and said, hey, we're not going to have you for a year. It was a high draft pick, too. It was a huge story. Like, a big story. Yeah, but Jerry also never really gets

any credit for his drafting or anything like that. Normally, very good drafter. The names that they have, now, who knows if the names mean everything but him making that draft pick was a big deal because he said we're not going to have this guy for a year we'll let him rehab become his best and then we'll get him in the future we think he was betting on this dude that he did not know a lot about by the way like i'm just betting on this guy working his ass off being able to adapt to the nfl game being able to do everything

and i think physically he was able to do it. Some of the videos, though, it appears as if maybe the game is moving a little bit too quick right now. And I don't know if that was the system he was in or if that's just a couple of plays that are hitting the internet and I haven't watched enough film. But what a freak show athletically. There has to be somewhere to put him on a football field. Oh, yeah, I'm sure there is.

And he'll find his place. And maybe he's OK with the change of scenery because he i think he only played about half the snap so far this season too where i saw so i'm sure he wants to be in there full time and get a chance i'm an idiot right okay we know that couldn't why didn't they just do what micah did yeah put him down and just have him rush the passer he's big he's strong he's energetic it's that just that easy all of a sudden you can just rush the passer and everyone can do it? No, I'm not saying that. But has it ever been attempted, I guess?

Maybe that is the question. Because it feels like he has what? He has high motor, right? He seems he's – well, I guess you've got to be kind of violent. It seems like – but I've seen the big guy, a couple of big hits. I don't know. But I haven't – there has to be some – Maybe they have.

I'm sure they have. I'm sure they've worked him down there, but to be like his full-time gig, what Micah Parsons is doing, he's not a giant outside backer, but that dude can rush. He's powerful. He's very athletic. He's obviously very energetic. I feel like people feed off of his energy for sure.

I wonder if he'll stop by the old gridiron gang with robert mathis you know robert mathis is teaching game out here too all like pass rushers every day he's out there by the way i feel like it's he has a facility there uh there's a facility where the colts have training camp he has a they he uses the same facility it's an indoor thing and they have an outdoor field as well he has this entire setup it's really sweet, but watching him go to work with all these pass rushers and these high schoolers and those college guys and those NFL guys that come through there, he's doing this on an everyday type thing.

I don't want to say Micah doesn't have great people around him. I assume he already does, but Robert Mathis almost mastered that. I don't want to say undersized, but a bit smaller incredibly fast explosive violent with his hands like that's the type of steps right that you can take and if micah evolves and what if he becomes like one of the best pass rushers in the history of the game i mean yeah it's definitely possible isn't it you can move him around too i like the defense is going to have a hard time identifying okay he's playing dn with his hand down this play. Now he's standing up in what you call the old amoeba defense that people feel cool saying.

And this next play, he's playing inside backer. That was a shot at me for yesterday when I said it to Aaron. No, I hadn't heard it in a while, but I just remembered there's a time on TV where people love to say it. Well, I said it yesterday. I love saying it yesterday. Yeah. It's a cool word.

I actually said it yesterday. I felt it. I don't know if I've ever used it. I've only heard it used. So, yeah. Thank you for refreshing me. Well, that's like whenever people are talking about how he addressed the entire team. Yeah.

Fucking team meeting. All right. All right. He had a team meeting. It happens every single day. All season long. Yeah. He was going to have to do this.

This was something that does happen and has to happen. I wonder how that whole thing went. Your version of urban's team meeting was i mean yeah i watched the clip it was beautiful when you would you're at the board going over the first slide and you're just popping in and out through the uh trying to talk through the event it was really good yeah because you kind of cover it while also moving along you know we address this and then you address it then you still address it then you move on then you address it then you move on then you put a bow on it then you're done and i think that's

what he probably did this morning i'm not 100 sure maybe he watched that as game film by the way maybe oh yeah maybe better i don't think anyone could execute it like you did i don't know i don't know yeah it is some of these uh i think vitamins potentially put me in the place where i need to be and that's what i'm talking about whenever i read ram das oh yeah i mean i could put myself anywhere because you know where i am i'm right here dude and what was the book this week uh it was a fucking good one dude the four agreements that's right now it's actually four marijuana leaves yeah is that dope is that dope on there aaron i thought it was that's first that's first three questions you have well i got it zoomed in i mean all i saw was a marijuana leaf that's literally all i saw and i was like this is the greatest book club of all time

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He's an icon on the MLB network. Has a podcast called The Mayor's Office that you can download where podcasts get download don't know how that's still a thing that people have to say joining us absolute icon sean the mayor casey look at the title i saw your twitter video old school though bro old school it's like the john sena one he made after like hey sena won the belt like yeah let's get that thing that rotates real nice. You know what I mean?

Yeah, the spinners. That was in the era of the spinners, of course. Shout out to Latrell Sprewell, by the way. But you are a champ, dude. You are a champion. I can't thank you enough for joining us, especially in the middle of what? This is your biggest time, back-to-back Mega Bowls. Last night, AFC Mega Bowl.

Tonight, NFC Mega Bowl bowl only one team survives this is massive time for baseball sean now you gotta love it this is the best time of the year post seasons here and you had the socks yankees last night obviously the red socks came out huge and they you know kind of came out big right away bogarts with the two run jack schwarber comes up with the big hit Cole couldn't didn't get much too many innings a lot of walks by the Yankees Red Sox showed up at Fenway that's a ton of fun then you got the

Dodgers Cardinals tonight Scherzer Wainwright going head to head it's the best time of the year if you're a baseball fan for us as analysts it's the best time of the year so I don't know I hope you guys are enjoying it too I know AJ is probably enjoying it you know I mean he's He's a baseball fan. Yeah, me too.

I'm a big baseball fan. I need Sean to get back in there and play though. I enjoyed watching guys like Sean. Sean, with your personality and you at first base, were there ever any guys that came down that they were like, hey man, I'm good. I don't need to talk today. We're okay. First year,

bro. I'm so excited about being there. I don't need to talk today like i don't we're okay dude first first year bro i'm like i'm so excited about being there i'm like i don't know how long i'm gonna be in this league like i gotta get as many autographed balls bats as i can like i was holding guys on initially that first two weeks i'm like hey bro can you send a ball over after the game can you send a bat over real nice they're like who's this jag off you know what i mean so mean? So, Ricky Henderson, we're playing the Mets. He gets a four-pitch walk, comes to first. I'm like 23-year-old kid, you know, raw, right out of Pittsburgh. I'm like, oh, my God, it's Ricky Henderson.

You've got to be kidding me. I'm like, hey, man, how you doing? I'm a big fan of yours. Like, you know, you're a great player. And he just, like, looked at me like, dude, you need to shut up. You've got to shut up right now. Next pitch, bam, he was gone, AJ. 90 feet, stole second, never talked to

Ricky Henderson again. What a moment. What an absolute moment out there. Baseball, it feels like, I might be wrong, but I saw the I think it was the Red Sox in the cart running down the dugout with how long those seasons are

and how you guys are around each other you have to be around each other so much the culture of the team has to be a massive ordeal or am i wrong in reading that oh my god bro it's 162 games 180 days like you you start going stir crazy like you start figuring that stuff out earlier like hey when you homer let's jump in the laundry cart and just fire you down the dugout because that'll be a fun thing to do for the next 95 games. Let's put on

the Phillies. Let's put on three sombreros. That's a fun thing, too. Let's bring out stuffed animals. Let's just have a million handshakes for 25 guys because literally, you go insane when you're in that. You were with those guys all the time but you start going insane and you start just creating fun things to do uh you know for that 162 hey what's what's the relationship like with

your manager like i know being around baseball and i've been in a few dugouts like it's so relaxed and laid back compared to football what pat and i are used to in the relationship with coaches there's a lot of like there's a lot of fear involved with players and coaches. Like, players are usually worried, hey, this guy's going to cut me. I've got to do what's right. Do you have that with managers in baseball? Oh, well, if you play for Jim Leland, you do.

You know what I mean? You know, I remember when I was in Detroit with Leland, you're like, you know, a couple guys you don't think it's a big deal. You get with Leland, you're like, oh, my God. It's just like I'm 34 years old. I feel like my dad's in the dugout. I'm scared to death right now. You know, I had a moment one time with Leland, AJ.

Like, it was late night. It was Sunday night baseball, 1130. Game was about to be banged. Leland comes in. He's like, all right, boys, the rain's cleared out. We got the old window. Game starts in 15 minutes. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. So, rain's cleared out. We got the old window. Game starts in 15 minutes. I'm like, you got to be kidding me.

So we go out there. We're playing the game. It's like 3 o'clock in the morning. Never forget it. It's like it goes to extra inning. It's 11th inning. There are seven fans in the crowd. I go down.

Casino Polanco walks. I look down at third base. Gene Lamont's going through the signs. Boom, boom, boom. He puts on the hit and run. I'm like, he can't be putting on the hit and run now i got a guy on first i just need a pitch i'll shoot the hole first and third we're gonna win this game so next pitch comes bro i take it there goes placido block i'm like oh boy it was a hit and run oh this isn't good boom he gets hung up he gets tagged out

leland comes out of the dugout almost to the the field. He's like, what are you doing? You're an idiot. It's a hit and run, you idiot. I'm like, oh my God, is this guy serious? I'm like, we're trying to, I'm like, you know, and he's yelling at me. So I'm scared to death for my job at this point. But listen, got an 0-2 pitch, knock Carlos Guillen to run homer. We win it on the walk-off. Leland grabs me at the dish and goes, hey, what were you doing out there? It was a hit and run. I go, I missed it, Skip. I missed it.

He goes, screw it. We won the game. It's over with Gil. Hey, boy, Sean. Hey, way to bounce back. Hey, by the way, that's Pittsburgh in you. Couple there, crot. Got to get a little bit of movement there.

But also, you know, if you didn't hit that, I mean, you're probably getting cut the next day. And that is something you got to know about. And let's talk about these signals, because they're they're insane last night it seemed like there was a lot of elbow in there and i think i've been explained a couple times but i didn't grow up in the baseball community or whatever is it a sign and this is what i think i've been told is it like how many times you hit your elbow or you're different like if you hit your wrist or your hand how are those things deciphered and are they all basically the same with different reasoning behind it all?

It's like a different language. It's literally like a different language. I mean, you know, usually there's a hot sign. So the coach will go through. He's like, okay, if I go to my ear, it's hot. And then you've got to stay with it. So he'll go through some signs. If he goes to his hat, it's a hit and run.

He might go to his shirt. It's a steel belt. It's a bump. But then he can go through it and take it off. You know what I mean? So, like, you've really got to his hat it's a hit and run he might go to his shirt it's a steel belt it's a bump but then he can go through it and take it off you know what i mean so like you really got to stay with it like it's a science you're like okay did i just see him is it hot and did he put it on and was i paying attention is this third grade math class where i was sleeping in the back you know i'm like you know it gets nerve-wracking so the hot there's always a hot sign. There's always a takeoff sign.

The stuff in between, you really got to focus out there. Like, is that why they waved Aaron Judge in, you think? He got the wrong sign? Like, what do you think happened? Did people get outcoached in this game? Is that a real thing? Is that what you think happened last night? You know what?

I think that, listen, at the end of the day, playing with that green monster, it messes with guys. When Stanton hit that ball off the fence, it kicks off. BGM! BGM! BGM! What a night for the big green monster last night. Two homers, dude!

Congrats to that monster up there. Big night for the monster. Big night. I mean, that ball kicks off and Kiki Hernandez makes a great throw. Bogarts makes a great pick. I think Nevin, when you're looking at it from there, Nevin, the third base coach, is like, listen, we've got to throw. It's a short hop to Bogarts.

I'm going to send them, and it just gets you sometimes. I remember when I played for Boston at Fenway, I hit one off the monster. I run to second. I think it's a double. It's not a double. I'm out by 25 feet. Now, I was one of the slowest guys in big league history, but that's no big deal. That's a side note.

I got thrown out by 25 feet. Boom. I hit one to right center one time. The next night, it gets bounces off the fence. Nick Marcakis comes in. Bam. Hoses me at second. I'm like, this is terrible. The fans in Boston are like, stay at first. You're slow. You don't know what the monster. You don't know what the hell you're doing. I'm like, I is terrible. The fans in Boston are like, stay at first. You're slow. You don't know what the monster

you don't know what the hell you're doing. I'm like, I'm right. So I come in, put my put my helmet up. Fellow Pittsburgh Tito Francona, Terry Francona. He comes up to me. He's like, Casey's like, I talked to you real quick. I'm like, yeah, what's up, Skip? He's like, you've got thrown out two nights in a row, one from the monster, one right center.

Is there any chance you might have polio? I was like, I don't know. I haven't been to a doctor lately, but there's a chance with what's going on. When I'm throwing out there right now, there's a chance. Fellow Pittsburgher. Insert name of Italian and then tell incredibly harsh joke. That is awesome.

Middle of the game, too. Right in the middle of the game. Speaking of speedy guys, did you play with Dion? And if not, like how impressive is it what he was able to do? Dude, I played with Dion in 2001. One of my favorite teammates of all time. I mean, you guys know him for football. One of the greatest ever. Prime was unbelievable because, you know, one of the quietest guys in our clubhouse, which was funny,

but I tell you what, it was one of those things where when you watch Deion run, I remember he hit a ball in spring training left center gap. It looked like he was on a cloud just running, and he was on third base where any other person, or maybe me, I'd be diving into second. Deion was standing on third. Just one of the best I've ever seen. And for him to play 10 years in the show and 18 years in the NFL as shutdown corner

changed the game. For me, it was one of those things too, AJ, where I'm in the same clubhouse with him. I'm looking over him getting dressed going, first off, he's got the ugliest feet I've ever seen in my life. Those are bad dogs right there. But secondly, I was thinking to myself, this guy's one of the greatest ever.

I'm so excited for – especially football. I'm like, I'm just fired up to be in the same clubhouse as him. Yeah, he's great. I mean, obviously, greatest athlete of all time, conversation. I mean, that conversation will go on forever, but he's in the convo. So anything Deion does, Deion's allowed to do. And there's a couple people – go ahead. Pat, how about this really quick?

In Chicago one time, 2001 with Deion's there. He's on the DL. I come up right before the game to get my batting gloves on. Get my batting gloves. I forgot them in the locker. I'm going back out. No one's in the clubhouse. I turn to my right.

Deion Sanders, Bo Jackson sitting at Deion's locker talking. And I'm like, no phones back then. So I'm like, where's the. I should not be here. I should not be here. I should not be here. What am I doing here? And where's the, where's the 7-Eleven camera you have to buy where I can just, you know,

the portable one, where's the throwaway? You know what I mean? That little, the little crank thumb thing. You're not talking about yourself being a great athlete, obviously, whenever you're talking about Bo and Dion, but you just made a handoff, I think, while telling that story. That was incredible work.

I saw you get startled off screen, and I saw you look left, and I saw you follow a person, I think, around, and then you did a handoff, not even missing a beat in the middle of that story. That was fucking unbelievable, Mayor. I'm a pro. The freaking something's beeping over here.

I got somebody over there telling me it's beeping. I'm like, what's beeping? What? Back to my story. You know what I there telling me it's beeping. I'm like, what's beeping? What? Back to my story. You know what I mean? Back to my story. I'm a pro. It's like option, right, you know, misdirection stuff.

I did it. Yeah, it was unbelievable. You're like a magician with your words, and your hair looks fantastic. Your hair is all the way in right now for the Mega Bowl tonight. Cards, Dodgers, what should we expect out of this game tonight? Well, I'll tell you what. What I love about Cards, Dodgers is it's two heavyweights. It's two veterans going at it.

You know, it's Wainwright, tons of success, you know, 17-year vet. Scherzer, a lot of success in the big leagues. Two vets going at it. Know how to calm the emotions, get in it. It's going to be interesting to see how they go head-to-head because the bullpens nowadays will get in it. It's going to be interesting to see how they go head-to-head because the bullpens nowadays will get involved fast, but I just love the fact that

the Cardinals defense, how hot they are with the bats. The Dodgers are going to miss Max Muncy. I think that's one thing. You take that bat out of the lineup. He's one swing away from changing the game. He gets on base. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Muncy being out of the lineup, but it's going to from changing the game. He gets on base. So it'll be interesting

to see what happens with Muncie being out of the lineup. But it's going to be a great game, man. This is why you love this time of year in baseball and Dodgers-Cardinals. Let's get it on. Mega Max has got lightning in his wood, dude. Everybody say it. Go ahead, Ty. Mr. Mayor, the Yankees have never brought back

a manager if he hasn't made it to the World Series within his first five years. I don't know if you played with him or Brett Boone, his brother, or anything. Aaron Boone stinks. Are the Yankees going to shit-can him and potentially Brian Cashman as well? What's going on here? How do you think that's going to play out? You know what?

No, they're not. I mean, I think – God damn it! I mean, Boone – Listen, there's so many times during the year you watch the bullpen, I mean, I think, I don't know. God damn it! I mean, Booney, you know, listen, there's so many times during the year you watch the bullpen, like Aaron Boone's not blowing up, you know, a big lead in the seventh, eighth, and ninth inning.

I just, I know Booney well. He's a great friend of mine. I just feel like his demeanor's right for New York. I feel like the New York Yankees need to get more athletic. You watch the Rays. You watch the Red Sox. You watch these guys. They're athletic. They're strong up the middle York Yankees need to get more athletic. You watch the Rays. You watch the Red Sox. You watch these guys. They're athletic.

They're strong up the middle. You know what I mean? Glaber Torres didn't play that well this year. You got Brett Gardner, man, in center field. You know, they have the big boppers. Listen, they can put runs on the board quickly. But at the end of the day, I think the Yankees need to get more athletic. Aaron Boone's going to be back.

Hey, is big bopper a common phrase in a baseball lexicon i don't know i think yeah big bopper i don't know is that maybe that's a pittsburgh thing i don't know what big oh it is i mean there's big bopping down there seven but i don't think i've ever i love big bopper because i mean those big boppers last night weren't big enough for that big old bopper big green monster. I can't wait for tonight. Hopefully there's a lot of action. I bet on the over last night it did not hit. It was 8.5. It was close.

Thanks to you guys. By the way, did you hear the anger in him whenever you said they're not going to fire Aaron Boone? He was actually pissed. Time to go. That's how Yankee fans obviously feel. If you don't win the World Series, everyone needs

to go every year. I get it. New York, that's the way it goes. I don't think Boone is the problem. I think Boone is actually the right guy. He's on a hot seat there. Go ahead, Tom. Mayor, you talked about Wainwright and Scherzer being vets. Both of them recently have had tough starts.

Does that matter at all tonight, or is it just reset their vets? They're going to be fine going into this game tonight. That's a great question because Scherzer's given up 10 runs, I think, in his last 10 innings, something like that. So, you know what, I think once you're in the dance, the adrenaline is so different here. The atmosphere is so different. And so I just feel like these guys, their game,

I don't think it matters how they finish. I think tonight you're going to see a pretty good pitching matchup. I think these guys will deliver. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Mayor, have you ever been involved in a benches-clearing brawl or rushed the mound for any reason? Oh, my God, man. Well, you got the Boston shirt on.

Hell, yeah. Probably one of the biggest brawls, and I'm sure you remember this, in 2008 when Coco Chris with James Shields went toe-to-toe. I was right in the middle of that one. It was like – you know, it was one of those things, you know, first pitch was behind Coco Chris, and I remember getting to the top step. I go, all right, fellas, here we go. It's freaking William Wallace time.

Everyone top step it because it's happening. You know what I mean? So here we go. Next pitch, boom. He drills Coco. Coco comes out. Now Shields meets him, right? And I remember running out.

It was one of the fastest I ever ran. I ran like this. For some reason, my arms went like this when I ran, but I was flying this time like i was like figure skating you know what i mean so i come out there speed skating speed skate out there boom james shields throws one of the greatest haymakers ever right coco crisp matrix boom back he goes back bam bam bam coco hits him with a three shot i come flying in go after james shields And if you look at the replay, Johnny Gomes is unloading on Coco. I totally missed that happening. That's why I was really trying to protect him.

Like, hey, let Johnny Gomes unload on you real quick. I got to go get James Shields. So I go to get James Shields, and I pull back like this. Well, DeMarlo Hale, our third base coach, had him in a suplex city. He freaking grabbed. He grabbed. German suplex? He grabbed the shield, pulled him back, boom, and dropped him.

So I was like this, and next thing you know, I had no one to hit, so I just turned it into a Macho Man Randy Savage elbow. I end up landing on the mound. I'm like, ah, my God, I think I hurt myself. You know what I mean? So there's pandemonium, right? Everything happens. Next thing you know, I'm ejected from the game. Then I get a three game suspension. I'm like, what's, what's my, so I go to Bob Watson with Pele suspension. I go,

Bob, what's the suspension about? He goes, Hey bro, you go like this. It's three games. I go, even if you drop a Mandy, Randy Macho Man Savage elbow on nobody on the mound, it's a three game suspension. He goes, yeah. so that was my one big brawl and it was it was scary but it was fun too yeah it sounds like you were really going for it which i think that's all we can appreciate and respect out of that thing aj has one final question for you he mentioned it earlier well i'm curious were you ever like intrigued or you felt like hey man i may need to juice myself up if i want to keep up like you were in a time maybe towards the end of that era. But, like, did you see it happening?

And did you ever, like, I would imagine if you're trying to make it in the league, obviously you were a great player. But some people would probably be like, hey, I need to do this to stay in this league. Well, I remember one year in 99, I hit 25 bombs. And there was like 12 guys that hit 50. And I'm like, 25 was like top 10 about 10 years ago like I don't know what's going on here but like I've got 12 dudes hitting 50 right so I didn't tell you the truth AJ like it's funny I didn't do it and I think the guys that were doing it were kind of all in the know

and I think you know so so I never thought about doing it I know at the end of my career one of my coaches you know know, said to me, he's like, Hey, you ever think of doing some HGH, maybe come back next year, hit us about 25, 30 bombs. I'm like, bro, I'm like, I'm 12 years in, like I'm running, I'm just running this course. I got to get in the cold tub to just get going. HGH is going to help me like put five more years in my career. But I think there's a lot of guys I've played with in that steroid era that look back and say say you know what at the end of the day it wasn't a fair playing field and guys would have had longer careers maybe had they done it I really never planned on doing it but you know it worked out all right for

me yeah I'd say and uh it seems like it's working out still to this day because the long-term effects are obviously the thing and I feel like I and I'm not obviously in the baseball world at all and that is 100% on me I should be more invested but I feel like when A-Rod told his story after it came out that he was on it and he was like he felt he was like 22 years old or 20 years old and everybody around him was doing this he had all these pressures he felt almost obligated to do it you're saying like no it wasn't like that like the people that were doing it were kind of in their own world it wasn't something that was openly talked about it because it feels like, and my impression of it is that was just something that was very normal.

Like, hey, this is what baseball is. This is how it's going. It was not like that. It was not. I swear it wasn't. And you can ask a lot of guys. I remember one day coming into spring training, you know, you're in the off season, you get the personal trainer.

I'm lifting. I'm doing everything I can seven days a week. I'm hitting the freaking cardio. I'm bench pressing. You know, you're in the off season, you get the personal trainer. I'm lifting, I'm doing everything I can seven days a week. I'm hitting the freaking cardio. I'm bench pressing, you know, I'm military proud. I'm a monster. I come in, I put on three pounds of muscle. I come in and one of my, one of my teammates, like 30 pounds of muscle. I'm like, oh my God, dude. I was like, what were you doing this off season? And I wasn't doing, he's like, I got a personal trainer. I was doing this, doing that. So I was like, so did I, I did everything. I got a personal trainer. I was doing this, doing that.

So I was like, so did I. I did everything. You're telling me in four months you got 30 pounds of muscle? You're on the gas, bro. You're on the gas. There's no way that's 30 pounds of muscle. So, you know, and the one time I saw it was probably in the middle of my career. One of my teammates had a violet HGH, and he was like, guys, if you want to start throwing 94, 95 with a nasty slider,

this is the way to do it. And I was like, what is that? He's like, HGH. I'm like, I didn't even know what it was. So like I said, that was the first time I ever saw it. And a lot of guys, if you weren't doing, you didn't know who was doing it. That's fascinating. But he did announce that it was, I mean, I kind of conflicted there. Ladies and gentlemen, the mayor's uh the mayor's office the podcast who are you talking to how you talking to is it you telling stories because if that's enough for me to go check it out for sure dude it's it's awesome i started the podcast because i love storytelling like you do bro love listening to your stories same way you know i had leland on for like a two shows ago and i was sitting there doing the doing the podcast thinking to myself,

this is unbelievable to hear Jim Leland's wisdom for an hour and 40 minutes of what he brings to the table. A few weeks ago, we had Johnny Bench on, which I know, AJ, you probably appreciate that. A lot of guys, you know, just a lot of great guys. Ryan Dempster was just on.

We got Demetri Young this week. It's just been awesome, man. The podcast has been a ton of fun, and I appreciate you plugging that because it's just, like I said, The podcast has been a ton of fun, and I appreciate you plugging that because it's just, like I said, it gives me a chance for good storytelling and to hear some of the guys that I love playing with or some of the best in the game to do some storytelling.

It's just a fun time. No, Sean, I can't wait to listen to it. You were always electrifying for us. We appreciate you. Enjoy the Mega Bowl tonight and the playoffs, ladies and gentlemen. Listen to the Mayor's Office office his new podcast sean casey can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day

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