The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 523 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 7 Recap, Darius Butler, Dana White, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 7 of the NFL season including the Cardinals continued dominance, the Bengals officially being one of the best teams in the AFC after throttling Baltimore on the road, the Packers continuing to put things together after another win over Washington, if the Chiefs are DEAD or not after getting their doors blown off at Tennessee, if the 49ers are dead as well after a tough loss against the Colts on Sunday Night Football, Football Rich getting another win, and everything else around the league (:23-45:07, 47:11-1:11:04). Joining the program to overreact and chat about his biggest takeaways from week 7, if he thinks Deshaun Watson is ultimately going to end up on the Panthers or the Dolphins, and his thoughts on whether or not the Chiefs can get things right this year (1:11:08-1:30:29). Later, President of the UFC and friend of the program, Dana White joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about this weekend's PPV in Abu Dhabi, what it's like doing business over there and internationally and how that differs from what it's like doing business in the United States, his upcoming meeting with Hasbulla, and he gives a preview of both UFC 267 & 268, featuring multiple title fights (1:31:38-1:42:31). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Overreaction Monday, October 25th, 2021 years after the year zero. Big show today, a lot to talk about. Dana White stops by, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, the boys are on fire, the NFL is in mid-season form. If you like the show, by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Let's go! The Cardinals still flawless. Hey, this team out there in the desert, fifth largest city in America, Phoenix, are a fucking wagon, dude.

I saw Kyler Murray drop a ball into a bucket. I saw Kyler Murray drop a 60-yard ball. It looked like a seed was being dropped into a cup in the kitchen in which you were trying to grow shit on the windowsill. I saw Kyler Murray make plays that he has made in the past, but more consistently than ever this season. Kyler Murray is must-watch television every single time he's on. The defense led by J.J. Watt, Buda Bakery, and the boys are flying around.

Isaiah Simmons is also an absolute stud. Now granted, the fighting Daves, old Davis Mills and old coach Dave Colley, yeah, of course, they were fighting a little bit early. They were giving up a little bit of a fight. Then they started showing what DeAndre was traded for, a bag of balls and all these picks. And then J.J. Watt made a big behind the line of scrimmage tackle on a running back and started celebrating and then the offense started rolling and then all of a sudden the Cardinals just continued to be what they have been this entire season which is awesome they are fucking fun to watch yeah so happy for the Cardinals fans good good luck to Zach Ertz

as he found the end zone for the first time in his first game on National Tight Ends Day with Kyler Murray who he said uh they shared a lot of bonds with as they flew together to the last game sitting next to each other. Williams gets hurt. Zach Ertz comes in. The owner wants to win. Seems like the team's dialed in. Congrats to the Cardinals being number one in the NFC.

Another team that's number one in their conference, which is something we could have never, ever, ever expected. But here we are Monday, October 25th, Overreaction Monday, after week seven of an NFL season being done, and the Cincinnati Bengals are currently sitting atop the AFC. This team just went into Baltimore and dog walked them. What Joey Burrow, Jamar Chase, Trey Hendrickson, and that entire crew over in Cincinnati with no indoor practice facility.

Okay, there's an atmospheric river or something that rained in Santa Clara last night that we got to watch. The Colts, by the way, all the way back. We'll talk about that later. But there is rain coming down in the Midwest heavy. We're talking mother nature and Father Time even is getting in on this one. Drenching all of the Midwest. Will Cincinnati Bengals be able to practice as hard as everybody else in the AFC

that's potentially in a much warmer climate or has an indoor practice facility like every other team in the NFL? Well, we shall see. Jamar Chase, got to watch him in an interview in a kickoff show. I don't know if it was espn fox nfl network to be honest i try to watch them all but they all kind of all kind of same thing oh yeah he doesn't even know this dude doesn't even know how good he is he has no clue he's just flying around hey you and joe burrow have a great connection uncle well let's we had that year we met in spring we caught we had good time yeah we just be keeping in touch he has no

idea this dude is un-fucking-believable. He's selfless as well. Obviously, the block against the Lions last week to make sure Mixon got in the end zone. Obviously, he has no idea how good he is. I don't think Joe Burrow has any care in the world how good they are. This team has all the fixings to go on a deep run except for the indoor practice facility thing, which I do believe is a big deal. Okay?

I do believe that's a big deal. But I don't need to continue to harp on it because this team is awesome. They're atop the AFC North, and that big win over the Ravens yesterday is something that is much like a statement, which is kind of what the Bengals' Twitter said. Do we have your attention now is what the Bengals tweeted, which is fantastic to think about. And it's not just the Bengals that are a wagon.

It's not just the Arizona Cardinals that are a wagon. The Green Bay Packers, after that week one loss to the Saints, which was embarrassing. I think everybody knew it was embarrassing. It was a tough go for the Packers, especially after an offseason riddled with conversation and conspiracy about what the future of the Cheesehead Nation would be. Ever since then, I think Aaron has like 17 touchdowns, one interception. They have won the last six games. He is on fire.

He looks faster than he's ever been. He's making plays and throws that he has to have the utmost amount of confidence and control over a football. Back, shoulders, diving, falling down, touchdown throws. This dude who's on the power lift squat rack every single Tuesday is playing great football. And the Packers' defense actually showed up. They seem to be the opportunistic defense of the past,

which makes me worry. Are the Packers built for the long haul? Because we have seen over the last couple years, and Ty, you might know this for a longer time because I've only been a Packers fan for a little bit of time here. The defense, very opportunistic. Oh, yeah. Winnie Merciless, huge pickup.

He's going to keep going. I think he forced a fumble yesterday. That's good news. But the opportunistic defenses, and I might be wrong in saying this. I'm sure there has been anomalies that aren't. You know, this is a very broad brush. It's like a basketball team that shoots threes. Yeah.

Okay? And I got a chance to watch this when old Beeline was coaching the West Virginia team, and Pit Snoggle was there, and Beeline was there, and I believe Gansey was there. Oh, yeah. Young Beeline was there. There was an incredible crew, and they shot threes. Okay? They shot threes.

They shot threes. They shot threes. How you doing? Keep it moving. Sweet 16. We're partying. Elite 8. We're partying.

We're keeping it moving. And then all of a sudden, you get cold. And the rim, for whatever reason, just seems to be a little smaller. And in the biggest moment, in the biggest game that you need to go to the next one, for whatever reason, the universe said, nah, you're cold. If an opportunistic defense gets cold at the wrong time, you can lose. That's for the Packers fans to worry about another day, I guess. But after watching the Packers yesterday with how damn good they are, Ty, as an owner of the team, you have to be incredibly thrilled. Oh yeah, absolutely static. And I think that Rodgers alluded to it after the game, like they're still not quite there yet. I mean, they're still kind of finding the

little things in the offense that, you know, they're not hitting on right now, but they believe they will down the road. So, I mean mean make no mistake about washington stinks they are not good but like you said i mean the defense hadn't had a red zone stop all year i think they had three yesterday the the i mean usually when they do this the turnovers do come in bunches and like sacks come in bunches and then when they go cold like it it completely stops but we'll see they're really banged up right now and i mean at this point you know even if they don't look great they're still winning by two touchdowns and and win with relative ease so i'm very excited with where they're at two years ago they were winning games but it was ugly they were winning games very ugly made it to the nfc championship last year they were winning games

beautiful a lot of swag a lot of confidence a lot of everything the team seemed to be tighter they lose in the nfc championship how do you put those two years aside and go on a deeper run? I guess they're trying to figure out right now. COVID-19 positive test for Joe Barry, defense coordinator. Hope he survives, obviously. Yes, absolutely. T's and P's there, but also this defense that could potentially get hot. Don't know if now is a great time for the defense coordinator to have to battle COVID-19.

Right. Which, as somebody who has been in that war, it is a little bit of a fight if you get the bad strain or whatever. It could be a little bit of time, especially for me. I couldn't produce a negative test for like 11 days. Yeah, damn. I was vaxxed, too. I mean, I don't know how that falls into anything at this point of life,

but that is something that maybe the defense can continue to rally around. I don't know. But the Packers are fucking unbelievable. So much fun to watch. It's exciting. It's entertaining. Just like the Tennessee fucking Titans. This Tennessee Titans team just beat the Bills primetime Monday night football.

And we actually said after that game, nothing a part of that game made us think that the Bills aren't still a wagon. Right? The Bills still, they were in a bye this past week, so I guess we'll find out what they look like this upcoming weekend, but the Bills, after losing to the Titans on Monday Night Football, nobody said they're not a great team still. They just lost

to the Titans because of whatever reason. They beat the Titans, the Titans beat the Bills, then the Chiefs. Okay? And they beat the hell out of the Chiefs. They sent the Chiefs fans into trade patrick mahomes chiefs fans you gotta remember this chiefs team before they had alex smith with andy reed remember that did happen before patrick mahomes and andy reed their fans were showing up

to the games in bunches waiting for their quarterback to throw an interception and boo their own quarterback this is a die-hard loyal fan base that had a lot of hard times, cold games, bad football. And then all of a sudden that thing turned around when Andy Reid showed up. They've got to the promised land. Now it's like, hey, we still got a great team. What the fuck's going on? And to be fair, I don't know about trading Patrick Mahomes,

a man you gave $500 million to over the next eight years or whatever. I don't know if that's necessarily the right answer, but they've got some shit to deal with. Yeah. They stink. Big time. Hey, they are not at-ton digs here. Host Hammer Don says they stink at Boston Corner, whose Patriots did a very similar thing to the Chiefs. The Chiefs got from Tennessee to the New York Jets, which we'll talk about at some point because I guess it matters.

I don't think so. It does. You guys beat the shit out of the Jets. Yeah, which we'll talk about at some point because I guess it matters, you know. I don't think so. It does. You guys beat the shit out of the Jets. Yeah, it was a lecture. Bill Belichick was celebrating. Brian Hoyer comes in the second half, still throw. Hey, we need to bury you. Oh, yeah.

But let's get back to the Chiefs, Tone Diggs. Yeah, Chiefs stink, you say. Why is that, you think? Well, there is the quote-unquote curse of teams that lose the Super Bowl. They are, I think, like 10 teams have then, after they've lost the Super Bowl, had losing records the next season. Like, only half make the playoffs.

Okay. Plus, their defense is terrible. Patrick Mahomes, he's trying to do way too much. Okay, and listen, all these things you're saying are very valid, but you can't, like, you can't just piss off football gods on purpose you know you can't say hey i'm gonna disrespect the entire fucking game you can't do that and i i know that we blamed a lot of people for the 21 situation where jackson mahomes did a lame dance on his actual you know

honorary we blamed the washington football team how the hell did they get in there there was other photos showing more people than just Jackson and Pat's wife sitting on there and everything how they get and by the way the Washington football team has also been cursed by the guy I mean that's right you know they just fumbled on the half yard line after a yeah I mean the football gods are also punishing them I think the football gods potentially reigning in on Patrick Mahomes. Now, whenever you talk about Patrick Mahomes trying to do too much and everything like that, the immediate thought is,

well, he has to be in a different frame of mind than he was in in the past whenever he was this guy who was carefree, making plays, celebrating. He was almost the maestro of Chiefs Kingdom every single time. And I would not put it past the fact of the distraction of Jackson dancing on a man who's beloved by everybody in the football community, Sean Taylor, than any other situations where Jackson's dumping water on people. Remember, basically everybody loved Patrick Mahomes.

Oh, yeah. Patrick Mahomes is babyface. Patrick Mahomes is winning Super Bowls, beating people's favorite teams, and they're still going, oh, that guy's awesome to watch. This guy is the future of the NFL. He liked ketchup. He was relatable. He had to sit behind somebody before he came in. He was babyface, the most babyface probably in all of sports. And then now his brother dumping water on people, dancing on Sean Taylor. His wife is in the public eye. His mom is in the public eye. So maybe there's a little

bit more scrutiny. I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes is letting anything off the field, maybe adjust him. But off the field, his life was much different, I think, just a few years ago than it is now. Whenever you put $500 million on somebody's head and say, hey, this is what we value you at. You are our franchise for the next 10 years. We need you to do that. He's young. Hey, shit. He has accomplished a lot. I don't

know if he thought he became untouchable or anything started believing his own hype. I don't believe that's the case. But when you have other shit also happening and other pressures and worries and conversations that have to take place, that can distract you from your main mission, which is like being the best football player of all time. So I wouldn't put it. We joke about Jackson Mahomes in that shit happening and it being. But that is an added layer of something that Patrick has to deal with that he didn't have to deal with in the past.

That isn't necessarily fun, especially if you're somebody that's beloved by a lot of people and you have to deal with that he didn't have to deal with in the past that isn't necessarily fun, especially if you're somebody that's beloved by a lot of people and you have to deal with some bullshit happening. So I'm not saying that that is the reason why Patrick Mahomes is playing worse. He's missing throws that we never thought he would miss ever. He's missing Travis Kelsey by 10, 15 yards. He's missing people. No, he's still making plays. Let's not get it twisted.

He's still Patrick Mahomes. But the glimpses of what the fuck was that that we had not seen in the past are currently happening and I think it has to be something going on in his life in between his ears and maybe it's too much pressure from trying to make too many plays but also maybe it's everything else in his life potentially taking place and making him not be as dialed in and as free as he once was. We absolutely cannot look past the fact that the Chiefs may have been disheartened and saddened and devastated at the fact that Chiefs superfan X Factor retired this week. You're absolutely right.

They decided to have a game of silence. That's right. No points. We'll do nothing this game. Because X Factor's... Thank you, X Factor. That's right. No points. We'll do nothing this game. Because X Factor... Thank you, X Factor. Thank you, X Factor. Thank you.

Love you, X Factor. Thank you. I need them. That team is so much fun, so much promise. And it's not dead. They have too much talent. They have too many,

you know, football brains over there for them to continue to play the way they play. Because there's been greatness that has happened in clusters. It had we haven't seen this type of shit happen with the kansas city chiefs and the game ended obviously with not ended there were still some i guess drives afterwards where we saw old buddy come in who is fantastic but patrick mahomes got

kneed right in the head his neck got smashed back as if he was one of those crash dummies on those cars. You see those heads just kind of flat back. That's what he looked like. They had to help him off. And there's pictures and the video they're showing on the highlights at the end where the trainers are walking him. But there is a good – because the field is 53 and a third wide, right? So 53 and a third yards is how wide the field is.

He was about on maybe the far hash so he's still got about 30 yards to walk there i think you know to get to his sideline there was a good 15 20 yards that i'm not seeing on a lot of highlight packages where a lot of his teammates were like almost helping him up and shielding his face almost but they're saying it was a coach's decision to keep him out of the rest of the game. Who knows what's going to happen moving forward. The Chiefs are still incredibly talented, but they do appear to be dead. But on the flip side, the Titans seem to be well and good. Let's bring in the sidebar here for overreaction Monday, shall we,

so we can make sure that we stay on all the topics that we need to talk about. Because if I didn't put out a tweet yesterday about the Bengals or another team that was good, I was being told that I was being a disrespectful asshole. Whoa. And that's what I was told. After you saw what the Bengals just did, after everything you said, not even one tweet, now that's au contraire, mon frere, because I actually put

one up of Evan McPherson. Evan McPherson hit like a 52-yard field goal in Baltimore. It was unbelievable. Oh, here we go. Wow. Here we go. Here we go. It is. Hey, this thing moves, too. What?

It is a mover and a groover. I don't even know. Foxy doesn't even know that it's up there. I can't see it, so you might be out of frame a couple times. Boom. That thing's awesome. Who's the real show? What's the real show? Hell yeah. This show has a...

Do that thing again. Get rid of it. Get rid of it. Make it... And then... It's sliding. Are you kidding me? You see what we're doing right here? That's moving up the ladder.

That's what we're doing right there. There's a lot that we need to talk about that we haven't talked about just yet uh tom brady threw a 600 thud okay that's a number that maybe one other person will get to and his name is probably aaron rogers but that's going to take a while and will that be with green bay all of them seems like it might be aaron walked off the field by the way going aaron walked on what the hell's going on? Everything all right back there? Foxy is literally reaching and standing over Zito's shoulder to see what's going on on the TV. He has six TVs in front of him.

I have no eyes on the sidebar, so me and him have to work together on how I put up a graphic. And when the sidebar comes down, we're dancing here. Hey, you guys are doing great. Here we go, boys. Here we go, boys. Here we go, boys. They really are doing great here we go boys they really are dancing by the way foxy was just doing a full lean and zito did a turn and then they did it

it looked like all panic but this 600th touchdown thrown by tom brady is legendary because that is a number that you have to play so long and play in so many games to get to. So to accomplish that, there's some stats and things that happen that is very much team-based. And this is definitely a team-based one. He can't throw them and catch them. We've heard that actually out of the Brady camp before. But this is one where you have to have a sustained amount of greatness at the hardest position in all of sports to reach. Aaron might get there.

Maybe. And there's a lot of great young quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, I think a lot of people would say, hey, he's going to catch Tom in rings, people were saying. He's going to catch him in these things. To see what he's going through right now. Remember, Tom, over a 20-year period, I think they had a home playoff game maybe 13 of those years or 14 years.

I mean, just an absolutely unbelievable run. So maybe Aaron will be able to get there. Maybe somebody else will be able to get there, but it is going to be difficult. Even though the rules are changing to be a pass happy league, it is going to be incredibly difficult to get to 600. So he throws it to Mike Evans. And I love the fact that it seems like they did not even talk about this before the game. Like, Hey, Tom might throw his 600th touchdown, which is a number that i think most of the old football people if they would have heard would have shit their pants immediately oh yeah that somebody was going to throw 600 touchdowns it wasn't even like that it wasn't

conversation piece because if it was mike evans would at least been on the lookout remember when aaron threw his 400th i think to davante right there was an entire situation where davante had the ball ready for him it was an entire it was an entire situation where Devontae had the ball ready for him. It was an entire thing. So for this one, it seemed like Mike Evans had no idea, no clue. He actually dropped the ball. Then he picked the ball back up. And I thought that, oh, he was picking it back up to give it to Tom. I didn't even know it was a 600 touchdown at that point. No, no, no. Actually, it seemed as if the Buccaneers made a decision that after scoring touchdowns, they were going to give balls to the fans, much like Cam Newton did in the past with Carolina. Great way to build up a fan base.

Great way to interact with the fans. Great way to look like, hey, we're all in this thing together. I enjoy it immensely, although those balls are very expensive and they mean a lot. Now, let's fast forward to 600th ball ending up in stands. Tom Brady probably going, what the fuck just happened? Mike Evans going, I am so sorry. I am so sorry. He's actually, they have shots of him on the sideline being like, I did not know.

Which even more so, how humble is Tom and everybody around Tom not even to mention that to anybody. Like, hey, 600's about to happen. So what happens after front row gets it and then equipment managers who are immediately going to grab that and save that for Tom or whatever, and that's what happens. For instance, I had a fumble recovery in a game, and I walked off the field with it, and they asked for the ball back, and I said, no, no, no, thank you. And I gave it to Frog, our equipment manager. I tossed it to Frog. I was like, I'm going to keep this ball. This is a fumble recovery.

He's like, okay, you want to kick this ball, though, right, the rest of the game? It's the best ball we got? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I'll go give it back to the guy. You just told going to keep this ball. This is a fun recovery. He's like, okay, you want to kick this ball, though, right, the rest of the game? It's the best ball we got? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I'll go give it back to the guy you just told to go fuck or something? Okay, yeah, yeah. But it's the equipment managers that grab it. Anything, whether it's whatever the case. The equipment managers grab it.

They put it away. Then they give it to you afterwards. So the equipment managers probably, oh, shit, here, I've got to go find this ball. So they go over and have this negotiation with old buddy over there. Okay? You see the negotiations happen. The cheerleaders are actually walking through this negotiation with old buddy over there. Okay. You see the negotiations happen. The cheerleaders are actually walking through the shot while old buddy is that whoever's doing the negotiating there.

I don't know if it's equipment manager, if it's somebody else in their director of football operations, maybe whoever's on the sideline in his mind. That is one of the biggest negotiations he's ever been a part of. Oh, yeah. By far. Now, Tony Romo is describing it in an incredibly interesting fashion that I don't think anybody... Might have been boozed up, so we don't know. We're not sure. Corona time, his description of what that negotiation was was very

fascinating. And I wish Tom Brady would actually come out and say, by the way, I wouldn't agree to whatever was being said there for this ball. But everybody on the internet was on the side of the sombrero man holding the ball. And I understand that because that is a magical moment. I also wore sombreros to parties and things like that.

I think it's a good idea, especially in Tampa. Incredibly sunshine. In a sunshine state, you can get burnt. And everybody was saying, you do not give that ball back. You do not give that ball back. Then we got Ken Golden of Golden Sports Auctioneers getting tweeted off and saying he's guessing

that it's worth $500,000. That ball immediately. It's worth 500 grand. And there's other people saying he can't give his ball back and everything like that. It has allegedly been negotiated that the guy who had

the 600 touchdown ball accepted a deal from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that will give him a different game ball that was used, a $1,000 gift card to the team store, a helmet, a couple of nice jersey, and something nice in return from Brady. So this guy is going to get a bunch of shit from Tom Brady,

probably be a part of a documentary or five at some point. But maybe, hey, maybe him and Tom go have some lunch and dinner or whatever, get to experience that. And everybody on the internet's worried about that 600th ball not being his anymore. What about Tom Brady? What about Tom wanting to have his 600th ball at the house?

Anybody ever think about old Tom Brady, who's going to give this guy probably a million dollars worth of experiences? Everybody's worried about the 600th ball. What's that all about? Everybody's telling him that that guy should have told the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to go fuck themselves and kept the ball. It's like, that's insane.

And that would not have been my first thought, I guess, especially if Tom Brady's like, we'll do some cool. Hey, we'll do some shit. How about that? People are like, should not have given the ball. I'm like, what are we talking about? No, definitely not. I mean, you go into the game, it's not like that guy expected to get that ball anyway. So anything, like, yeah, once you have it, that's pretty cool.

But I was thinking. But $500,000. You have to win the lottery, but if you do. Well, true. But I was also thinking, like, hey, if the NFL really wanted that ball, like they let that guy leave the stadium and doof, doof, you know, like shoot him in the back of the head and get the ball back. Whoa.

I don't know. If the NFL really wanted that ball back, like they'd get that ball back and we'd never hear from that guy again. So there's been people that have had balls i think in the audience and then secure in stands and security has come and just taken the ball from whether it be a kicking ball or something else like that and that's why i found it so fascinating there but it was like yeah you give that ball but he better not give that ball back it was like i think they're gonna get that ball if they want to the fact that he's just becoming a friend now almost or getting all this other shit from Tom, I think that is quite a benefit.

I thought he handled it very well. I thought the guy was like, oh, you've got to give me something for this in return. Great. Great idea there. Let's go ahead and make something out of this. Let's make this a business venture. But everybody that was saying you can't give that ball back, I'm like, what the fuck? I guess $500,000 is $500,000, but is Ken Golden paying that?

Is Tom Brady? Who's paying that? I'm very torn because if you're a fan of the team and a fan of Brady, you give the ball back because that's your responsibility as a fan. But also if you're a fan of yourself, I was very torn on it. I don't know what I would do. I would have given it back probably. You would not have given it back?

No, I think I would have. Well, they were going to get it from you anyways. Right. That was just to your point like everybody in in on the internet was basically like no you keep that ball or whatever it was like i think it got out of with a lot of shit out of that like for sure i i think a thousand dollars team story that's going to get you two jerseys yeah right that'll get you two jerseys if that thing's stitched on and maybe you get tom to sign those and maybe put a message on it if we're looking to sell stuff and make money off of it or whatever. But I think they would have got that ball from him if he wanted.

So him even getting anything was a great move. But we live in a world where maybe he was able to put that thing up for sale. How about the NFT of him negotiating? Exactly. And now we're something as well. We live in a world where he could profit off of this, definitely. Well, and also if he is a Brady fan, like you said, like the million dollars worth of experiences,

it's like, hey, you're getting to meet your favorite player and probably going out to lunch with him. If you're a prick about that, like, no, I'm keeping this fucking ball. That's never happening. So it almost seems like it'd be a no-brainer to kind of try. Imagine, though, if that guy gets that ball, goes out in the parking lot, takes a picture of it, puts it up on old ken golden's auction thing and his somebody says yep i'll take it 500 grand and by the time he gets to his car on the way out of there he has a check for 500 000 that would be pretty that would be fucking awesome or you force brady and

david baker to go into an auction on their own and then they're just bidding for it because i honestly thought david baker was going to come down in the stands, pick that guy up, and just carry him out with the ball. Well, David Baker did retire. You know what I mean? David Baker did retire. But the Hall of Fame, because they got all of Justin Tucker's. They got Justin Tucker's entire uniform, his cleats, the ball,

and everything for that 66 yarder. I always thought that the player had to okay it. You know, the player, yeah, you can have it, you can have it. Like Tom, I think he took the 600 ball home. So if that was to end up in the Hall of Fame, which you would expect and assume it would end up there, I think Tom would have to give that to the Hall of Fame. Or does the Hall of Fame in the NFL have the ability to take whatever?

I don't know. I honestly do not know the answer. I think it's loaned sometimes. Like a museum? I think Tucker might get that stuff back. Yeah, I would hope that at some point Tucker would be able to put that in his own. I have some balls from some games

that are nowhere near Hall of Fame worthy, but there's some shit in the house that you look at and you're like, oh, that's pretty. I remember that moment. That's basically what a museum is. It's kind of like what Ursae does with his music collection, right? he'll loan certain pieces to like a

museum for a couple weeks and then he gets them back but like he does you know because he wants people to be able to see it so he does just like loan it out and then gets it in return i wonder if they tell you at the hall of fame like this thing's only here for another month hey you want to come see the cleats justin tucker kicked that 66 yarder with you better get to canton ohio in the next 32 days this contract is expiring justin tucker said if he don't have these fucking cleats by the 33rd day he is gonna beat your ass so that would be is that something they got to do or is it just an ever changing amount of shit in there because there's just such a depth such a depth in the nfl for brady too you assume they're gonna have like a whole

section of just his stuff so you wonder if that he actually is down to like give them jerseys from Super Bowls and that type of stuff because he knows he's gonna have his own wing of the so then those jerseys and Super Bowls is an entire another conversation because I mean we saw an Emmett Smith video that just rekindled some memories I've seen some teammates potentially, you know, have one jersey for early warm-up, one jersey for later warm-up, one jersey for first half, one jersey for second half, you know, and then those are all game-worn jerseys. Of course. Of course, because they were worn on game day on the field.

There's an entire, like, I mean, for instance, I saw a guy come up to me and entire, like, I mean, for instance, I saw a guy come up to me and say, hey, I bought this ball that Adam Vinatieri kicked to win a game or whatever. And it was a K ball. It was from the game. That thing was never on the field. That thing was never kicked one time.

I told him that. He asked me and Vinny to sign it, and I was immediately like, no, I don't think we kicked this ball, dude. No, yeah. That's ball seven. that thing would have never made it on the field so it was this was AK ball that was on the field when Vinny did kick it through though so we'll say hey Vinny did kick a ball through on the day that this ball was on a field as well that's just all those things the way things are termed, the way things are. That memorabilia game is fucking insane. And I guess the Hall of Fame has to be in on it too.

What's going on, Zeke? So Brady at postgame said that he doesn't keep any of his stuff. Is that a weird move? Well, he got that one stolen, right? Oh, that game jersey. He had a jersey stolen. And I would assume every one of Tom Brady's stuff the NFL keeps. For sure. Because there's the equipment room came up to me a couple times

and they're like, is there any way you can sign this? This was your blah, blah, blah when Vinny did this or you did this and this and this is a moment that's going up in there. Will you sign like either a jersey or I was wearing a glove or something like that? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And I think they immediately send it up there. So I wonder if it's always David Baker, whoever's going in for David Baker, and all the teams, like, we need this, we need that.

And they just negotiate a deal and do the players see any of it, I wonder. Probably not. If you're Brady, why would you keep it? If you're an alien, you have no reason to keep earthly possessions. Oh, you're saying because it's going to end up not mattering anyways. Because he's going right back to his planet. That 600 ball

will probably disintegrate in the atmosphere. Plus, he only cares about the next ring. He doesn't care about the 600 ball. He said he would have gave up two rings for that undefeated. Yeah, I'd give up two of the rings probably if I can take it, Rick. Over there at Pawn Stars. Take these. Yeah, give me the undefeated season back probably. Fucking take it, Rick, over there at Pawn Stars. Take these.

Yeah, give me the undefeated season back. Deal. How you doing? Keep it moving. It's a fascinating thing that we get to see the greatest of all time evolve on the field, off the field, as a human. I think my favorite move that Tom Brady has made, he wears his hat backwards now.

Oh, yeah. Cool guy. Hey, cool dude. Cool guy, yeah. This is midlife crisis, right? Uh-huh, big time. This is when it starts happening? Yeah. brady is making he wears his hat backwards now oh yeah cool guy hey cool dude cool guy yeah this is midlife crisis right uh-huh this is when it starts happening yeah this is awesome i am so happy about i saw so adam vinatieri has always been swagged up okay he's a paison i mean so you're gonna do what you're gonna do there came a time though towards the end of his career where he started wearing the cleanest the cleanest suits i've ever

seen in my entire life the most fresh watches bracelets shoot gucci shoot gucci flip-flops he started like evolving completely and i'm like vinnie you are fucking killing it right now he's like yeah i gotta stay young you know whatever he like i think that was like his thing you know and i think tom brady wearing the backwards backwards hat is an evolution here of Florida Tom. This is Florida Tom now. Florida Tom's got the backwards hat. Florida Tom's throwing touchdowns at everybody. Florida Tom's winning Super Bowls.

This is Florida Tom. And I couldn't be happier. Well, and it's 1,000% a midlife crisis because he said last week, I think, I could play until 50 or 55, but I'm going to miss too much family time. So you know he doesn't want to hang him up but he's eventually gonna have to because he's gonna wake up and his son's gonna be 40 like bruce arian said when he retired that's one of my favorite moments of all time my wife told me that her son jake had turned 40 and i said 40 where'd the years go that's four

decades of somebody's life long time long time Long time. Long time. Zeta's got his backwards head. Maybe that'll help you out, Zeta. Hey, maybe this will make the Bears better at football. I always gave up meat. There's news out of the Bears. And we're in socks for a year. Yeah, breaking news out of the Bears. Although you guys definitely stink.

You have no idea what the future looks like. Justin Fields might be a guy, though. Your head coach, Matt Nagy, is now officially tested positive via brad biggs two g's two g's bbggs brad biggs says matt nagy announces he has tested positive for covet 19 first things first we hope matt nagy survives yes absolutely second conversation there was fire matt nagy chance happening in the stands i guess of yesterday's game down in tampa and uh that is probably not the only place where that is being chanted around chicago you guys gave up a bunch of first round picks in the future you have your rookie quarterback who's going on his second play caller already in seven weeks your coach probably going to get run

out of town new gm The whole place is going to have to be, I guess, built around Justin Fields. Is Justin Fields a guy long term? We all hope he will be. Stats tell us, though, that not every first-round quarterback who was great in college is great in the NFL. At Viva Lozito yesterday

you said, and I saw it publicly, this is almost like when somebody's on their potential deathbed, and they go, hey, Jesus Christ, you keep me around, I will become the most religious person of all time. All of a sudden, they beat whatever it is on the other side of that. They feel obligated to God to become the most religious person. They go and do it.

I'm not saying that's the only reason, but that does. People make deals with things all the time. Zito made a deal with the football gods yesterday and asked the football gods if they cared about him or not. Zito said, if the Bears come back and win this, I will be a vegetarian.

Wow. Didn't that what you said? Yeah, and then I upped the ante at two years after that. After whenever they went down 20 or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once it got uglier, he said, I'll go vegetarian for two years. I even did the Tony, I'll shave my whole body.

Never happened, by the way. I did do that. No, you didn't. No, I didn't. No, you didn't. Nope, loopholes. Body head, body head. That's what you're in the difference.

A lot of, I could go for hours on that, what I did. Did you do what the Bears did, which is trade away the future to get a quarterback that you have no idea if the head coach and the GM are going to be around? I would not do that. What are they doing up there? You guys stink. Now, granted, this is the Bucs. All right.

Let's not. And they're out drunk and AB. They're a very good team. But it is ugly. It is an ugly, boring team to watch play football. There's no way that is what Chicago Bears fans would like up there. Well, and I think a lot of it goes back to like, Nagy's supposed to be like an

offensive guru. Their offense fucking stinks. Stinks! How can you look at him and be like, oh, this is the guy we want to have Justin Fields under his tutelage. I mean, we saw what happened with Darnold and Gase. Like, that can ruin a guy's career pretty much. And, I mean, it'd be cruel now, but

why don't they just shit cannon while he's got COVID and just be done with it? Hey, you got a lot to battle over there with Mr. 19. We don't know if it's the Delta, Delta Plus, the Delta Beta, the Delta Alpha. By the way, COVID's still happening. Oh, yeah. Big time.

Joe Barry. That's what I'm saying. Joe Barry, defense is getting opportunistic turnover. Seems like them being a complete shitbag defense might be changing. Get Whitney Merciless in there. How you doing? Here we go. Defense coordinator who's brand new to your team is now out probably 10 days.

Can't do it. Before they play the best offense in the NFL on a short week. And stadiums are filled everywhere. Yeah. It makes sense, man. We hope he survives. We hope he survives. We hope everybody survives. I battled in there.

I battled against Mr. 19. Maybe he'll come out of the COVID cave with some offensive plays. Oh, like Diggs did. When Diggs got COVID, he came out of his COVID cave, the best gambler we had ever seen in our entire lives. It actually created Hammer becoming

a daily show because it was like this guy just went into his cave. He sweat. I think he had the aches. He had the chills. He wasn't allowed to see his family. He was isolated. He was lonely. He slept

a lot. But when he was awake, he just scoured FanDuel Sportsbook. That's what he literally did for like seven, eight days or whatever. Came out of the other side. There's a lot of good bets we've been missing. And now we've capitalized on that with him and Gumpy having a daily show. Maybe Nagy will come out of COVID-19 and his

superpower will be to remember how to move the ball on offense. Whenever he was a guy who was the offensive guru brought in there to do well, but we spent too much time on Chicago Bears. That team stinks. Let's get back to a couple other things. Let's get to the Rams not being able to cover against the Detroit Lions. Come on, dude.

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matter what I put together this week, it was going to hit because magic was happening and i'll tell you the seven point tease that i put together for this particular super boost this past weekend was one that i felt very good about yeah very very good about anytime you get a teaser you get to add seven points six points five points whatever type of teaser you want you can add that in your direction, positively or negatively. Normally the rules, I guess, in the gambling gods are you don't cross zero. Okay, so don't be going from like being favored to being – don't do it. Just don't cross the zero there. So we did all that, and everything hit.

Four out of five hit last night. Hey, thank you, Bengals. Hey, I appreciate it. Thank you, Bengals. Thank you. Thank you, Col it. Thank you, Bengals. Thank you. Thank you, Colts. Thank you, Colts. Thank you, Packers.

Thank you, Packers. Thank you, everybody, except for the fucking Rams, who couldn't cover against the tricky, tricky Lions. MCDC, I'll tell you what, man. We're going to leave it all out there. Yeah, they do. They know what he said. Listen, man, we'll tell you what, man. We're going to leave it all out there. They know what he said. Listen, man, we need to fucking do something.

We're going to hit them when they're not expecting, man. Okay, so Sun Tzu, art of war right there, hit them when they're not expecting it. But he went in there with the same mentality that Jeff Fisher had. Jeff Fisher was the coach of the Tennessee Titans, had to play against Peyton Manning two times a year, okay? He knew it was a difficult test. There was one particular game, and I think it was with Craig Hendricks and Rob Baronis.

Rest in peace, by the way. My dude. On-side kick every single kick. Whoa. Every single kick was an on-side kick. And Jeff Fisher was asked afterwards. He was like, yeah, I mean, Peyton's going to drive down the field anyways. We at least need to try to get the ball back or whatever.

Every single kick, I think they ran a couple fakes with Craig. They said, hey, you're a better team than us. You are going to beat the hell out of us. We need to do everything we could possibly do to make this a game and maybe make us win this game. So I like the fact that MCDC had enough self-awareness going in against the Rams, in which the Rams had Matthew Stafford and Sean McVay, who got hung up on by the quarterback that is now your quarterback.

I like the fact that MCDC looked in the mirror and said, we're going to fucking need everything. Yeah. All right? So listen up, Fit. Fit used to be of the Eagles, by the way, Eagle Special Teams coordinator. Good dude, cool dude. MCDC tells Fit, like, what, probably Monday?

Everything you have. What are we running? Everything you have. We're going to run a stop rot, all right? We're going to run a little PP sweep towards the outside. It's going to be wide open after we've already had a surprise onside kick, one fake before that, then that. FIP, MCDC, and the Detroit Lions coaching staff as a whole

outcoached the Rams special teams coordinator and the Rams coaches as by far. You can't give up two fake punts in very obvious situations once we get to the third one. Like, hey, there is something coming. They were down a lot. And I think they had seven in the box or six in the box. They were acting as if it was kosher, as if it was a regular game, the Rams were. And that was just a wide open fake. I mean, that was easy.

They out-coached the hell out of them. And I would like to see what the stats are when you successfully execute two fake punts in a game and a surprise onside kick in the game, how often you win. I would assume it has to be up there near 95, 99%. Absolutely. They might be the only team that's ever lost doing it.

But instead, they lost by nine. Couldn't lose by 10. The Rams, in the end, have so much talent. They're such a good team. Matthew Stafford proving once again what we've been saying since the very beginning. When this dude gets on the national television more times than just on fucking Thanksgiving, everybody's going to say he's an absolute stud. But McVay, I know the special teams coordinator's name.

I don't want to air him out like that because he's a good guy. He was always nice to me. Lied to me right before the draft, but he's a good guy. He's a good dude, hardworking guy, committed to the game, football guy. They got outcoached bad by old FIP and MCDC. But if you were watching as a Lions fan, was it a little bit of torn? Because you're like, wow, that guy on the other team is definitely much better than the guy that we currently have.

But at least our team's showing fight. I was so fired up. We're the second youngest team in the league, and I can't imagine what Dan Campbell will do once he gets his guys in there. And last week I said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Last week I said we're the worst team in the league. It's like a college coach.

You just recruit in your guys. Hey, he's going to get his guys. Hey, Matt Patricia was going to get his guys. We got all these draft picks. That's why we traded Stafford. And Penne is a pretty good player, right? They're not bad drafters. He got into it with Aaron Donald.

Did you see that? I saw that. A little fire. MCDC loves that. I said last week, though. Got Aaron Donald jacked up. Aaron Donald actually forced a pick in here. Ed's Jalen Ramsey. I think that was Jared Goff's first said last week, though. Got Aaron Donald jacked up. Aaron Donald actually forced a pick in the red zone.

Jalen Ramsey. I think that was Jared Goff's first throw downfield, too. He loves his checkdowns. Then he decides, fuck it, game on the line. Downfield. Picked off. Jared Goff also threw the ball to an offensive lineman yesterday. Yeah, he did. He got a penalty for that.

A rollout. In the offensive lineman, at least, natural reaction, something's being thrown at me. I'm like, oh, shit. That was quite a moment there uh but the rams still very good they fucked our super boost which was supposed to go four in a row yeah uh which is a little bit rude to be honest and i apologize the super boost costs fando much more than the risk-free same game parlay by the way the risk-free same game parlay

people get their money back and it's it's still a parlay that has long odds. The super boost is we are getting much better odds than everywhere else. And that one, plus 500. Sounds good, too. Even when the Lions lose, they still can't lose right. Well, that's the issue. Worst case scenario. But Stafford had a good game. Other than that fourth down, crossed his body, little short.

He looked like he short-armed it almost. Only bad play. He could have ran it easily. Yeah, there's a couple of those for him. And I think there was – Lamar Jackson had one yesterday in El Gran. They got their asses beat. He had a wide open lane to run it, and he threw it and said, in a bucket. I mean, it was like a ball that was gorgeous.

And it's one of those plays I'd assume that Lamar Jackson's camp is telling Baltimore and everybody, hey, I can make these plays as well as run around everybody. But it was in an ass-beating from the Bengals. Nobody will even talk about it. It was a gorgeous play. But that is something I think that Matthew Stafford loves doing. I think he likes moving and then make it.

Remember, Orlovsky has told the story on this show, and he also told a story on uh nfl live right which is you know very real matthew stafford and dane orschlovsky allegedly in a meeting uh together quarterback room in detroit this is after dane orschlovsky's um career as a starter in detroit ended because they drafted matthew stafford number one overall in the 2009 draft bingo number 222 in that particular draft was a punter out of West Virginia. Okay. That went to West Virginia. Number one overall was Matthew Stafford. Got like $60 million guaranteed.

Could have bought all of Detroit. Yep. But anyways, him and Orszawski are in quarterback room, and Dan is either saying something about a play, and I guess Matthew Stafford gets the laser pointer and says, Dane, you see that throw right there you can make that throw right and then he points at another one he says you can't make this one like I can and nobody else can so Stafford has that savageness that swagness everything to him

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I feel like we covered damn near everything happening around the NFL except for football Richie, Italian Bisaccia, getting that Raiders squad dominating the Philadelphia Eagles yesterday. But aside from that, we covered almost everything. The biggest conversation piece

I think that's going to continue to linger and happen here is is Patrick Mahomes dead? And this is a fascinating thing because although the conversation isn't about the Titans that just beat the Bills, the conversation on Tuesday after the Titans beat the Bills, by the way,

were are the Bills still good? And then the Titans beat the Chiefs, and the conversation is are the Chiefs dead? Maybe the Titans are just a wagon, or do you think that there is cause for concern over there in Kansas City, A.J. Hawk? Well, I definitely think the Titans go, like, they fly under the radar here for how great of a game they had just because it's so shocking to see them blow out a team like the Chiefs by so much.

But, yeah, I would have to be a little bit worried if I'm the Chiefs. Well, first off, I'm happy that Patrick Mahomes is okay. After that last hit he took, it looked like – I was like, man, best-case scenario, that's a bad concussion. Worst case, it looked like a neck situation, how he got bent back and the knee hit his forehead so yeah i'm glad he's he's all right but your defense is just giving up so many points now like you just it's a really really tough way to win i feel like mahomes he's throwing so many picks he knows like hey it is all on me like i have to do everything

right now this is via stat muse and maybe the pressure of having to do everything is getting to Patrick Mahomes because the Chiefs are 3-4 and they are 32nd out of 32 teams in turnovers. There's 32nd out of 32 teams in points allowed. 32nd in yards allowed. 32nd in yards per play allowed. 31st in

pass yards allowed. 31st in receiving yards allowed. 31st in rush yards allowed. 31st in receiving yards allowed, 31st in rush yards allowed, 32nd in first downs allowed. That defense fucking stinks by every single stat imaginable. Every single one. I'm sure Stat Muse could find more stats because that's what Stat Muse does, but these particular stats here are damning for the defensive side of the ball. Now, you throw in the fact that on the offensive side, the quarterback is a young guy who has had the pressure of being the greatest of all time put on him immediately.

Now, that pressure is earned by incredible performances. But also, you throw in the fact that he was the biggest baby face in the NFL. The biggest baby. Everybody loved him. I liked him even more because he liked ketchup. Yeah, that's right. Seemed relatable. He had to back up Alex Smith.

He came out of nowhere, had success, had fun, was all this. Now he's got to deal with a half a billion dollar expectation contract. He's got to deal with his brother disrespecting all the football gods at every single turn that he possibly can. He's got to deal with everything in his work do you think it's changed him do you think maybe he'll be able to get back on track do you think that we are all overreacting on this overreaction monday in which it was a day that followed hashtag trade patrick mahomes was on the internet and going hard in the kansas city chiefs fan base

well first off i absolutely do not think uh Patrick Mahomes is broken. That's not a thing. That's not a possibility. I think they know what it looks like. They know what it feels like to play well. So they're going to eventually get back to that. I just don't know when. I thought it was going to be much sooner than it has. So they need to do something to change the momentum there in Kansas City. I don't know what it is. I really don't. Obviously, let's start defensively. You put all those stats up. Number one thing I care about, they are last when it comes to points allowed. That's all that matters to me. That's the biggest thing.

It's so difficult. And then when you add in all of this, you're like, okay, teams aren't just kind of like getting flukes over the top on us and we're good against the run. No, we're not good against anything defensively. It puts your offense in a brutal spot. You can't run the ball. You can't do anything.

You're playing from behind. You're saying some of the stats are complete garbage and shouldn't be looked at because the design of the defense might be to give up some yards, but then whenever it comes time to score some points, we're going to tighten it down a little bit. Yeah, and offenses should get yards. And how the rules are set up, how offenses are now, yeah, they're going to get yards, but how do you hold up in the red zone?

Do you win the turnover battle? Things like that are what I care about. So the points allowed is obviously an issue. And I would assume field position is also tough with the amount of turnovers. I think there's been eight or nine by Patrick Mahomes already this year. So field position is not great when you're putting turnovers. You know, oh, anybody says put the fire out. It seems like our Chiefs defense has never put the fire out this season.

Do you think – so when you say like he was the ultimate baby face and all of this, if people are changing their opinion on Patrick Mahomes, is it because of him or is it because of his family? It's all the shit. Yeah. $500 million, you're immediately, you know, that expectation's already there. No matter what. No matter how you play, there's going to be a group of people.

What do you mean you should play that way? You could just have a billion dollars. That's going to always be there. Then you got Jackson. You got his wife and his mom all having, though they have a 500 million dollar contract it seems like all having a budgeting social media life and career and everything like that which isn't always necessarily loved by everything and i'm not saying patrick mahomes has to uh tell them not to do that they shouldn't do that do whatever but patrick mahomes has to answer for some of that

shit you know what I mean? So that's just an added layer of, I don't want to say guilt, but maybe a negative feeling whenever something like Sean Taylor, who is widely respected by everybody in the football thing, happens and it's Patrick Mahomes' brother, who Patrick probably feels like he has to go to bat for a lot with the water dumping and all these shit that potentially happens. Just all those things, I think, could be chipping away at a potential feeling

that was had once by Patrick Mahomes as this guy that was beloved and balling and dominating, changing the game and being talked about. There's just more shit that comes with it as you grow older. Excited to watch Patrick kind of evolve into the player that has to deal with all this. Well, and in that Washington game, too, in the second half of that was when people were kind of saying, like, he yeah is he back like he looks he looks good again and then after the game the only thing people are talking about or is his brother dancing on

Sean Taylor's number you know like you I mean whether it's subconscious or whatever like there's no way that's not affecting you at least a little bit yeah you'd have to be an absolute stone-cold narcissist, I guess, if you just didn't let anything affect how you perform. Now, granted, some people find solace in their arena where they can kind of get rid of everything. I have no idea, but I would assume it's all adding into there. He missed Kelsey on like 15 yards. It was not – and then there's moments where he makes incredible throws

and incredible play. So it's like, it's still in there, but people forget that he's human. People forget that these quarterbacks are humans that we, we feel like, yeah,

of course, Tom Brady's not a human. What he's able to do at this age, how awesome he is. He's not, we say he's an alien on here, right? Don't you think he's at least a hybrid probably?

Yeah. Well, I haven't even got into the hybrid conversation yet. I'm not ready. Mahomes maybe who knows what Mahomes is, but he's a human too. And I don't know where he's at mentally with all that. But you would think he's not in a great spot. Like, hey, man, whatever I do, this is just so difficult right now for me

to make just like routine plays probably feel like they're much more difficult than they were in the past. So what do you have to do to kind of get out of that rut? I'm not sure. I have no idea either. And this is not us saying that we are out on Patrick Mahomes. We're just trying to talk about, you know, what could potentially be actually going on with Patrick Mahomes.

And he'll never say this. This is something he can never say. It's family. He's getting paid a half a billion dollars he can't say. But we can speculate because, to AJ's point there, this isn't just a madden rating. This isn't like these are humans who potentially have to go through stuff and their moods potentially affect their drive,

potentially affect their decision making, and how sometimes what's going on Monday through Saturday can affect a Sunday situation is a real thing. We have no idea. I've never talked to Patrick Mahomes in real life. I have invited him on the show. I'm not sure. Maybe he'll come on someday, hopefully.

But we don't know, and we're just looking from afar. All that shit that is a distraction off the field could potentially add up. Well, and it's the expectations, too. Like, we were talking about them winning every single game this year, and the only spot that was a massive question mark was the offensive line, and they fixed that. So all signs reporting to them, you know, winning basically every game pretty easily.

And now obviously they're three and four. Let's move to a team that is, great point, let's move to a team that is winning pretty easily. Hey, hey, opportunistic defense. I said this earlier. Opportunistic defenses like turnover defenses, like the Packers have been over the last couple years where in big moments or in red zone,

they'll steal uh defeat literally via an interception which is what happened kind of yesterday i mean a couple opportunistic turnovers a couple big plays it's almost like when a basketball team shoots threes they're a three-point shooting team if you ever get cold or you don't get a turnover produce a turnover will you still be able to win that massive game i think with the way aaron's playing on the offensive side of the ball and if this defense can continue to grow as opposed to just being an opportunistic turnover defense but a full defense and a

you know, everything kind of get pressure on the quarterback and can knock some shit down. This team could go on a run, AJ. What about all the conversation this offseason? They're going to be dead. They look fucking good out there, AJ. Yeah, and they're not even at full health. So yeah, I think yesterday they got rid of some demons they had in the red zone

and made some big stops. The Heineke deal with his knee down, I don't know. I don't like that whole rule. I think that's stupid or however that works. What is the explanation? Well, so it used to be, remember, when they created the slide rule, you were giving yourself up quarterbacks where you guys weren't allowed to hit. Inside like the three-yard line, all of that.

There shouldn't be targeting. There shouldn't be anything inside the three. Okay, so what you're saying is goal line.. Inside, like, the three-yard line, all of that, there shouldn't be targeting. There shouldn't be anything inside the three. Okay, so what you're saying is goal line. Not targeting, but head-to-head. Hey, goal line is fucking football, guys. It's goal line football. There probably shouldn't be defenseless guys. You can't be a quarterback.

Like, he's live no matter what back there. Okay, I understand that is how A.J. Hawk, the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, a man who had once, because he refused to wear his mouthpiece, actually had one of his teeth on contact with somebody just decimate in his mouth. Pure powder

and dust came out of his mouth. What was that? Oh, that was my canine. That was my canine tooth. Zero concussions documented for this animal that we are speaking of. But I think a lot of people have that point. Like, down there there it's hard to remember if you're a quarterback because the original quarterback wants protection down there he doesn't want those rules down there there's some quarterbacks that do look to the refs for uh potential protection or flags there's other quarterbacks

that don't i don't think heineke or aaron are guys that are looking not if you're running to score though not if you're trying to score you though. Not if you're trying to score and you're that close to score. Yeah, but remember, the original rule was you could slide, you're giving yourself up, defense isn't allowed to hit. If you went head first, that means play's still on. Guys would dive and fumble, and then the ball would still be alive because quarterbacks would try to get the extra yard as opposed to just sliding to get the extra yard

because they were down as soon as the slide started. Remember, that was the rule. As soon as the first part of the slide was, and they would actually see the drag of the knees on the turf or the grass, and they'd say, boom, right here, half yard short, this is where the slide started. Even though the quarterback would slide for five yards without anybody around him, it would go all the way back there. Then I guess that rule evolved maybe three years ago or two years ago. I do not know this either, that the head first dive by quarterback and quarterback only

indicated the same exact thing as the feet first slide. I did not know this until the internet told me this yesterday. And I guess by letter of the law, Heineke diving head first or sliding feet first, wherever it starts, wherever the ball is, is exactly where it's supposed to go. Even though Heineke hates that rule, Aaron probably hates that rule, Carson Wentz fucking is furious with this rule. There's a lot of guys that probably hate this rule. I guess this is the rule,

and I didn't know it until just yesterday either, AJ. Okay, so let's say you're a defender out there and you're trying to stop the quarterback from running in. Are you going to get a flag if you fly headfirst into him? I you do i don't know i just think it's tough when you're inside the five probably what you're saying is if 26 or 25 whoever that is right there dives right into heineke's spine right there right yeah to try like a goal line play would happen how we keep him out is that a penalty then because he's giving himself up just like a feet first one and then is it a first down i gotta take it you gotta take the guessing out when when you're in a certain compressed area i feel like you just i just don't like the rules so you

would take out all the rules quarterback protection rules down here or just these particular rules not in the pocket in the pocket the rules are the same but anybody who's running the ball whether it's a quarterback or anybody else the rules are are the same when you're inside the three. I would like to follow up also that we are all incredibly bummed for Taylor Heineke here. His dad, I guess, massive Packer fan. He said on this show he grew up watching the Packers. The reason why he wears number four is

because of Brett Favre. Him obviously having a touchdown here, finding a Washington football team fan, doing the Lambeau leap was a huge moment. All of a sudden, you are down, motherfucker. You gave yourself up, actually. You didn't want to score, is what the rulebook says here. And you're going to fumble in the next play

and you're going to be, your momentum's going to be, and it's not going to be a touchdown, so the Lambeau leap is going to be completely lost. So we do feel bad that that happened, but incredible stop by that Packers D. Incredible stop on that. How do you feel about that rule? Then, you have to hate it. Which rule? Ball came out of his

hand, picked it back up, seemed like he got back over. Now, I don't know when the whistles blew and when was forward momentum stopped and everything like that, but that seemed like an interesting set of circumstances. I feel like, even though you're on top of bodies and everything,

another issue when you're inside, like take those rules, like I don't know. When you're inside the two and three, like I don't know. This rule was, Heineken got screwed all over the place. Obviously he could have played it better, but still. Yeah, and what everybody who would be against what you're just saying would say is, well, he should have known

the rules. He should have known the rules. It's like, okay. They change every two days. How does anybody know that? Exactly. Exactly. How is he, but your quarterback in the end hey guys we couldn't game plan this week we had to take two hours out of our normal game plan because we have to go over all the new rules or all the new things of emphasis that they're going to look for this week oh and that an awesome moment is when they started you see a bunch of returners, to make A.J. Hawk's point even clearer. When somebody's returning in the block team, so the punt return team or the kickoff return team is running, trying to get a block.

You saw a lot of people turn their backs to people, and then they just shoo in front of them, right? Because this was the no block in the back rule. And then it was set a pick. You just got to set a pick with your body. Can we block from the side? They're like, no, you can't block from the side or from the back. You have to be in the back rule. And then it was... Set a pick. You just got to set a pick with your body. Can we block from the side? They're like, no, you can't block from the side or from the back. You have to be in the front of the jersey, however you get there.

Because guys, no block in the back rule was an emphasis, which has always been a thing. But it became a thing, especially in returns, because people are running so fast. And there's like literally 21 mile an hour. People are just pushing people. So people are flying. So then people would just grab them by the shoulder.

So you got them by the side. That became a new rule. Can't touch them by the side. Has to touch them by the front. So everybody just started doing the butt block, which is basically like, we're not even blocking. We're just trying to run, get out of the way. And bodies just started doing it. Then they changed that rule.

Well, your butt can't touch the side now. And you had to do a full. I mean, it was like, to your point aj that happens all season so hey this is the emphasis for this week this is how you have to block this week this is how you have to cover this week and once those intricacies start getting too much into detail i think guys kind of check out you know like well fucking tell me if i'm doing something wrong i'll get out of here but taylor heineke lost out on quite a legendary moment there for his entire family but go learn the rules, Taylor.

Be a fucking pro, dude. I think forward progress should be taken out of the rule book altogether. Well, that was originally what football was. You're not done until you're done. Remember, football was guys on knees still crawling forward. It wasn't until you were completely stopped. And then it would be like rugby, basically, where the ball is handed off. And then people were able to crawl forward.

And it was a true, like, shoulder-on-shoulder scrum type. That was like the original football, I believe. That was like the original base. People would love to watch that. Bring that back. That'll get a lot of eyeballs. Hell yeah. You know, there's a lot of people

that think the game has gotten soft. There were some shitty-ass games yesterday that I enjoyed watching. I enjoyed, like, the Cardinals, Texans, I enjoyed watching it. Just because what Kyler's doing. Kyler's a video game. Kyler is an absolute video game. He is

absurd. It is stupid. He made this quadruple deke check run to happen. And he had a couple throws. That team is un-fucking believable over there. They're in a tough division. Obviously they've got to stare down the team that's playing tonight, and who knows when Russell will be back.

And obviously, they've got the Niners, the team that lost last night. They might be dead. They might be dead. But Matthew Stafford's in there. That Cardinals team, AJ, nobody could have guessed this. Number one, the NFC. Bengals, which we'll get to next. Number one, the AFC after week seven.

Nobody could have guessed this shit. No, I mean mean i'm sure the cardinals are telling you this is what we knew all along inside our facility and what we were doing at training camp all of that but i mean the way that they've looked and how they've been so consistent with it is the most impressive to me and it all just sets up probably the best matchup of the season so far what What, this Thursday? Yeah, this Thursday, Cardinals Packers. J.J. Watt, who has ties to Wisconsin, will take on the reigning, defending, undisputed

MVP of the league in a Thursday night football matchup that the world will watch. This will also be the first week that the risk-free same-game parlay will hit on Thursday. Hell yeah. We kind of know what's going on with who and that. But you're right.

Cardinals-Packers is going to be a great measuring test for both teams who are after the game going to say, we'll see you down the road. We will see you down the road. That's always like such a cool conversation. Different divisions, two teams at the top. I was very lucky to be a part of some of those teams I didn't have those conversations I heard my teammates say it to people on other teams but that is one of those games hey we'll see you down the road I think the Cardinals though

and I guess we said it about the Packers we're just doing Thursday night promotion here as we can those are two those are two teams humming right now AJ AJ. Really, really humming. Who will get the best of who? Well, they are really humming right now. So I guess the question would be the Packers aren't at full strength yet. Whatever happens in this game, are you saying who has the higher ceiling coming after? I don't know what they're going to look like, but with the Packers, you think everybody getting healthy? This streak that they've been on, we know the Cardinals have been on this streak. Can the Cardinals continue to get as good as the Packers can? Can they climb as fast?

Well, the Packers have been around so long. And that's why whenever Dan Orszalowski had his top five offenses before the season, and he had Mac Jones in there over the Green Bay Packers. Or he scored 54 this week. I agree. Absolutely unbelievable. The Jets fucking stink. Oh, boy.

And somehow the Panthers, they might be the worst team in football. I got to stop picking them. Hey, richest owner in the league has the worst team. Tell me what that means. I don't know. I have no idea. They fucking stink. That game was soccer.

That game was 5-3 deep into the third quarter yes i mean deep into that that's on the giants they got the safety on the panthers they scored a touchdown it got called back they fumble on the half yard line no touchdown how you doing keep it moving and then on next play giants get a safety on the Carolina Panthers for a fuck. I mean, it was a comedy of errors. Danny Dimes makes an incredible catch. Oh, boy. Joe Judge gets a huge statement-like win,

and the Carolina Panthers fans have to think to themselves, we suck again. We suck again. We can bring in quarterbacks. We can get rid of quarterbacks we can have the richest owner in the league who's going to build an entire city basically around our facility the carolina panthers are going to be a squad we got matt rule everything's trending in the right direction and christian mcafree pops his hamstring he's out again and that whole team

sticks sam darnold looks like jet sam darnold they picked up his fifth year option nobody understands why or how who's going to be their next quarterback? I guess they're back in on the Deshaun Watson running, but Deshaun, is he going to be able to play football? Nobody knows with all the very serious allegations happening off the field. Nobody's been able to give us

or anybody an answer on whether or not that's going to be handled. If he's going to be innocent, they think, or guilty. The Panthers stink, and I did not expect that at all out of that Panther squad. It seems like it's been a pretty quick turnaround from good to bad for them, but did I miss something to where they've been talking that this is a huge milestone win for the Giants? That's what you said.

I just thought that strictly because if they lose that game, I mean, it is going to, you know what I mean? Imagine if they lose that game. They lose that 5-3 game. Now, they know what i mean imagine if they lose that game they lose a 5-3 game now they poured it on late oh yeah that's right hey maybe the giants maybe that's what they found turn the corner look out maybe that's what we're gonna point to in the documentary we're gonna point to that game right like the second half it was 5-3 with a minute left in the third quarter and the new york football giants decided to play football i just huge for joe judge but

those new york teams absolutely stink oh boy so bad stuff they stink zach wilson's hurt now uh pcl i think spring he's gonna be out for a few weeks who's the quarterback mike white mike white yeah mike white my real person he looked pretty good he didn't look bad not made up he didn't look bad that team stinks he was terrible there's look bad. That team stinks. He was terrible too. There's some shitty teams in the NFL now. The Dolphins too. What's wrong with the Dolphins? So the Dolphins had some moments there where Tua looked good.

And playing against the Falcons. Shout out to you getting me on the Falcons there. Even though we didn't cover. Yeah, so shout out to you. By the way, you had a pretty good weekend. I don't think so. Yeah, you did. Yeah. You did.

A little better than 500. I guess I have tonight, right? Yeah. Yeah. Sure. We could even up. We could tie up. If I win, you lose, right?

I will say, whenever you and I are on the same side, normally we win. That has been a trend. So if we agree, that might be a good bet in the future. Now, future outcomes do not care about any present or past outcomes, though, in gambling. We'd like to let everybody know that. Although stats and trends are fun, whenever you walk into a casino and you see the roulette table and they show you all the numbers that have hit in the past, guess what? Does not fucking matter for the next spin at all. But me and AJ on the same side,

the trend has been pretty good for us. But around the NFL, AJ, I think at this point with one game left in week seven and it's Saints traveling to the Seahawks, Jimmy Winston versus Geno Smith, I think we know Saints are favored by four and a half. I think I like the Saints early. We'll decide that in the last hour.

I think I like the Saints though. I think Alvin Kamara is so good at football. very good sean payton i like see jamis's uh off week workout where he was bouncing on the bosu ball doing uh bench press people don't know how hard that is impossible that would be very impossible but a lot of people don't understand how that has anything to fucking do with getting you better at quarterback which i think is the big question. We'll figure it there. But week seven here, almost over, feels like we're starting to really figure out who's what, right? It does.

It feels like. Doesn't it feel like there's two leagues? There's a group of teams that are awesome, and then there's some teams that are really battling for the basement. Last night, I mean, Colts Niners is a beautiful depiction of, I think now the conversation is although the Colts started out terribly, maybe they're able to go on a run and sneak in the back door here. Maybe they're able to get in a dance in the playoffs, especially if they get a win against the Titans.

And on the Niners, on the other hand, it's like, this team fucking stinks. They're probably about out of there. And I think this is about a time we can normally do it almost halfway through the season. Who's going to be contenders? Who are pretenders? We can normally do it almost halfway through the season. Who's going to be contenders?

Who are pretenders? Ladies and gentlemen, host of the Man to Man podcast, host of Everything DB. He's now a blogger for Pro Football Focus and also on their pregame show. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Big blog guy. What's up, fellas? Hey, that was good, though. It wasn't just a mail-it-in blog, I think, like General Bob Carpenter might have done on his first one.

You had a full. It was great. It was unbelievable. I was proud of you, man. Doing all right, man. You know, branching out, trying some new things. It was fun. Takes a lot of time. I don't know how people do it.

Boy, now, they got editors, too, so they help me out here a little bit. Oh, ghostwriters? We have ghostwriters? You're putting your name? Oh, editors. Editors. No ghost editors. You know, I put in the work,

and they plug in their numbers from there because I don't go and use all their data and shit because, you know, they take numbers. They don't think players matter at all. It's just numbers. Yeah, they don't like humans. They don't think humans are a thing. So let's talk about the human side of this,

and you can maybe add in some pro football-focused numbers to this thing. Is Patrick Mahomes dead? First first question and then next question is i believe that whenever you have a half a billion on your head okay which is what his contract was publicly the expectations have already went in one this guy's going to be the next tom brady you're beloved by everybody and then you start catching heat for what's going on around you maybe with your family and everything like that. There's a lot that he has to manage and deal with as a human

that is never being talked about. What are your thoughts on Patrick Mahomes and that whole situation with the Chiefs? I mean, there's definitely a lot going on around him. I'm not going to say that that's affecting him on the field. I mean, what's affecting him most is, number one, his defense. You know, they aren't getting stops. They aren't stopping guys from scoring.

You know, the critical, not really the yards, but getting off the field on third downs, red zone defense, giving up points, things like that. They're doing terrible in that department. And you got to press a little more. And Mahomes is obviously one of those quarterbacks that does a lot of off-script things. That's what makes him great.

But at the same time, that's what can be to his detriment at times. And defenses, every quarterback you know going into a game like hey this guy is going to give you you know brady manning they may give you one maybe two chances to get a pick off of him my home since he's been in the league you're going to get three four shots a game so now i think it's just defense is kind of taking advantage of those uh whether it's tip passes overthrows or whatever and whatever, and, you know, getting X possessions. Titans, you know, they came out and handled them. Chiefs might be dead this year. No!

X Factor like X. They're dead like the X Factor. Oh, no. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry about it. Hey, what about the Titans, though? Like, their offense, we know what Derrick Henry can do, and Tannehill and the weapons they have with their defense

stepping up against the Chiefs. Like, are they a legit like super bowl contender i wouldn't say super bowl contender because i i really think in this league right now you need like an elite type quarterback to actually win the whole thing and i wouldn't put tannahill in that class um you got an elite running back but i just think at some point you're gonna have to have that quarterback um the chiefs actually did a decent job with Derrick Henry yesterday. He had damn near 30 carries, and he was under 100 yards, under 90 yards. He ended up throwing a touchdown, but Shannon Hill played well. And the Chiefs turned the ball over too much, man.

Mahomes got a cut down on turnovers, man. He got lead in the league, tied for the league with Wilson. I know somebody got a bet in there for Wilson leading the league. He'll be out a couple weeks, so that sucks. But a couple fumbles, lost one. They got to take care of the ball over here. Derrick Henry not rushing for

a hundo is a crime. I mean, it only fucked like six or seven of my parlays yesterday. No big deal. Shout out to you, Derrick. Thanks, man. And that felt crazy, man. It is absolutely crazy. You said you need an elite quarterback to go on a run. What do you think about Joey Burrow? That Bengals team going

into Cincinnati. Okay, after doing what they did to the Lions, obviously, just, ah, get the fuck out of Detroit. Then they go into Baltimore. AFC North game. Huge. I saw Jamar Chase on a kickoff show. Once again, I don't remember which one.

He was getting interviewed. It might have been ESPN, I think. I'm not 100% sure. He doesn't even know. I don't even think Jamar Chase has a clue how good he is, how special of a talent he is, what they have going on in Cincinnati. Seems like Joe Burrow is the exact same way. I think Hasselbeck said that locker room, they're just chilling.

They don't even realize what they're going through. go into Baltimore dog walk the Ravens do you think Joey Burrow is one of those guys and what do you think about that team Trey Hendrickson starting to heat up on the defensive side of the ball too free agent signing this past offseason yep kind of under radar guy he balled last year for the Saints but so start I'll start with the defense man that defense has quietly been one of the better defenses in the league. Obviously, the offense, you know, they get all the praise and all the talk, which rightfully so. Jerry Burrow is a dude. Jamar Chase took a year off, and he's, I mean,

one of the best rookie receivers we've seen ever. Just gave Marlon Humphrey, you know, two hundo, and that's one of the best, you know, corners in the league. So they're doing some special things, man. And the question with them is, will they be able to handle this success it is a young team Zach Taylor even a coach he came in kind of on somewhat of a hot seat he's looking like he's in the driver's seat for coach of the year right now but can they handle this success still a tough division you know you got the Browns you got the Steelers you got the Ravens so none of those are you know teams just walk in

and count as a W so it'll be it'll to see how they, you know, finish these last 10 weeks. But to be number one in the AFC right now, I mean, that's impressive stuff. Hey, D-Bot, what about the Packers? Like how confident do you feel with them now? Their defense definitely stepped up yesterday. I know people question Washington and how explosive they may be. But I guess where do you think their chances are? Obviously, if A-Rod stays on this pace, I would say they're in the running.

Yeah, I mean, well, they got a dude. They got a dude at quarterback, so they always got a chance, man. And the thing about them, they've been winning, what, six in a row now since the week one game. And, you know, their margin of victory was so small going into last week. I think they had like a plus eight point differential. And like the next closest team with five more wins had plus 47 but you know they went and covered yesterday they screwed uh heineken well the rules screwed them over they should have probably cut but uh path has got a packer's got a chance man you got a rod playing at an extremely high level and uh

they're not even fully healthy yet so once they get some other guys back they could even potentially been better be better they're guys. They've been a little active in free agency, which we don't see. Went and got Jalen Smith. Went and got Whitney. So, you know, Packers, they've for sure got a chance. That NFC is loaded at the top right now. The Bucs, Cowboys,

Cardinals, you know, they got teams all over that conference that got a legit shot, and they all got dudes at quarterback. Okay, so let's talk about one of those NFC teams that do have dudes at quarterback. The Rams. How about Matthew Stafford? Now, they couldn't cover yesterday, which is disgusting. Oh, wait, wait, wait,

that just reminded me. Speaking of NFC quarterbacks, I came on this show, I was bullied, and to apologize to Sam Darnold, I had to go back, tell you guys he stinks again, but I was watching the game last night which stunk.

The weather stunk as well. But Pittman, 11. That's a guy that I think you need to apologize to. No! You made it to 11.

Absolutely. No, I mean, I did kind of in the first hour. I would like to say I did acknowledge that Michael Pittman appears to be a guy.

I mean, he's mossing people this year and this is without T.Y. Hilton, by the way, distracting defenses. Now, I don't know what the national narrative is on T.Y. I don't think a lot of people know about T.Y. They should know about T.Y. But defenses know about T.Y. Hilton.

And with what Pittman's been able to do without T.Y. on the field and as T.Y. gets back into it, hopefully his quads heal, which I did not see happening. I did not see him missing that game see happening i did not see him missing again no my sources did not seem it did not seem like he was going to be out of that game at all i mean i think he helps in that weather but it's nice to get him fully healthy pitman's becoming a dude i still don't like that he didn't give carson number 11 but carson maybe second the number two second career he's going to be a guy out here maybe carson's going to be a guy he's he's Carson's going to be a guy. He's

looking good. I mean, I know a lot of guys are somewhat colorblind, especially with the reds and the greens for me. But last night, I mean, he tried to throw like four straight picks to the Niners. He ended up getting some obvious DPI calls. He's been playing great these last

two weeks. So this is a point in the season when they can get hot. Tennessee's completing that driver's seat of the division right now, but they could get hot and make it interesting and maybe sneak into that seventh spot in the playoffs on the AFC side right now. But, you know, no knock on Carson right now. They took what

it took to get done last night in that ugly game. Atmospheric River was falling on that game, and normally cameras can't pick up the rain. Normally it's like, it looks gloomy, but it, it was just,

it was just floors of water being dumped on Frank Reich's head. Every time they shut over there, it was insane. I'm happy. They got to win. I'm a Carson Wentz fan. I have no idea how he plays or why he plays the way he does. And I don't know if he's colorblind or not with white and red.

I think that is a little bit different. But let's get back to Matthew Stafford. And I apologize to Pittman for, you know, saying, a little bit too young, not enough credibility to be telling the quarterback to go fuck himself with his number. But he has made a lot of plays. I appreciate him. I have a lot of respect for his ability.

Let's get to Matthew Stafford. He is unbelievable with McVay. And there was a story Jay Glazer reported on before the game that when the trade happened, Sean McVay called Jared Goff to talk to him. Jared Goff hung up on him. Then they were able to talk like a week later, a conversation, quick one happened. And then like a month later, I guess Sean McVay was at the coaches at a restaurant. Guess who was in a restaurant? It was Jared Goff. Sean McVay went over. It was an awkward conversation and then he left. So it's always been kind of via Jay Glazer.

Sean McVay felt a lot of heat yesterday. I think he said some things going in the game about being mistakes, making mistakes and everything like that. They get to win. They give up two fake punts, a surprise onside. I love it too from MCDC. Do you think the Rams are legit, though? They should have lost that game yesterday with all the fuck-ups they had. But they still win. They don't cover.

You like the Rams on the NFC side of things, D-Butt? I like the Rams. Matt Stafford. I mean, this is a coach that took Jared Goff to the Super Bowl. And I don't think Jared Goff is a great quarterback. Matt Stafford is a much better quarterback, especially in that system. So they can go out and beat, you know, any team on any given Sunday. They definitely got a chance to make a run at the whole thing.

Good team. I mean, the Lions, that's the only way they're going to get a win this year. A couple wins if they come out and just play mad and just straight fucking mode. You know, onside kick, fake punts, trick plays. Like, you got to do what you got to do. I loved it for MCDC. Made it a game. I think they end up covering.

But, yeah, I think the Rams, the Rams, and the NFC Conference is top heavy, man. So, once you get in the playoffs, Matt Stafford doesn't really have. But a lot of these guys don't have that experience in the playoffs except for Brady and A-Rod. So, that may be the only thing that holds them back. But Rams, they definitely got a shot. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Dee, but with the Chiefs being, you know, dead, do you think the Las Vegas football Richies are going to be able to rally and keep that going and win the AFC West?

Versace. Hell yeah. You know, I still got the Chargers in that division. I still got them. I love Staley. And to see Derek Carr bounce back, you know, this back-to-back, You know, I still got the Chargers in that division. I still got them. I love Staley. And to see Derek Carr bounce back, you know, this back-to-back, you know, he came out of the gates with an MVP, you know, pace. Fell off for a couple weeks.

They dealt with the John Gruden thing. Went out there and balled it for another week without Darren Waller. I think he was 31 for 34 yesterday. But Sacha, you know, he's leading the guys. But who knows when they get into some rough patches against better teams. I got the Chargers winning that division. I don't think they can go out there and really make a run for it this year. But, I mean, Derek Carr, I mean, he's been proving some people wrong so far.

So, maybe he'll do me the same. So, you're saying Chiefs are dead. Chiefs are completely dead is what you're saying. Chiefs still got a chance. They still got a chance to sneak into that seventh spot. That seventh spot still, I think the Chiefs can sneak in there to coach. Patriots. Patriots, nah.

I can't give the Patriots. Hey, 54 points. They hung 54 on the Jets yesterday, D, but 54 points. I mean, Matt Jones is a guy for the future. He's looking like the best rookie quarterback right now, but I don't see Patriots, I don't see that team making a run in the playoffs right now. I would see the Steelers getting in the playoffs this year before the Patriots. For those that are wondering about how awesome football Richie Bisaccia is

and how he's completely turned that team around, look at the game after the first email week, before the full email leak and the resignation. Watch that game and then watch the last two weeks of what the Raiders have looked like with Basaccia at the helm. That team is flying. And there's actually a social media video of Paisan Rich running off the field, screaming at the camera. And all he can talk about is how much energy and flying around the team had after that long trip back home.

I love what he's putting down out there. Go ahead, Ty. D-Buck, going back to Carolina, a lot of reports are coming out today that they're going to be very aggressive in potentially trying to get Deshaun Watson. Sam Darnold obviously does stink. Do you think that they're completely done with him? Are they going to go all in on Deshaun Watson Or someone else at quarterback this year you think?

I mean that's their owner It starts with the owner He's been I think kind of outspoken About wanting a stud at that quarterback position And you know you're coming in the league With all that money You want to be able to You know at some point

You got to get out there and get you a guy So I don't think they can go back to Sam Darnold. You know, you put old PJ Walker in there, my former teammate down in Indy. But even before getting to Sean, you're going to have to give up a lot to get him. And who knows what's going on off the field, you know, with his cases. And if he's going to be able to, you know, settle those, you got to do your due diligence there. But outside of that, I mean, you may pick up that phone and call,

give Cam a call. Hey, Cam, I heard you're vaccinated now. Sorry, man. Sorry. I'm going to come back and hurt you for the rest of the year. But that's their best option right now. Long term, obviously, Deshaun Watson, he can come in and make – he's one of those handful of quarterbacks that can go into any franchise

and make him a contender. Yeah, and who knows what happens off the field. Very serious allegations. That is going to have to be taken care of before everything else. Peter King had an article this morning on Football Morning in America. Football Morning in America. He's a blogger like you, Darius. Wow.

Hey, Peter King's legit. He knows what he's talking about. He probably got a good editor, too. Well, he asked me to write one as a sub one time, and he wanted the 7,000-word thing four months early so he could run it by. I don't know. I think he is the editor.

I think he is potentially the editor. He has high sources, though. He's been around a long time. His sources are very high up. I actually think the owners, and we'll talk about this maybe in the next hour, use Peter King as a time crier for all the other owners, actually. Because in his article this morning, he said, good money. Yeah, he said, league meetings this week in New York, notable for this reason.

It's the first time owners have met in mass in person since December 2019. Not a lot of substance on the agenda. Okay, first meeting since 2019, not a lot of substance on the agenda. Okay, first meeting since 2019, not a lot of substance on the agenda. You can be sure there will be some discussion on the Washington football team and a congressional inquiry into the league's investigation into multiple sexual harassment cases with the franchises and a league sanction. Right here is where I think Peter King was sending a message to every single person that's going to be attending this meeting because they can't text this, they can't email this. Peter King goes sending a message to every single person that's going to be attending this meeting

because they can't text this. They can't email this. Peter King goes, smart money is on the Washington football team discussions in the open sessions being pretty vanilla because the league knows it's full of leaks right now. Hearing it will be Tanya Snyder, the team's co-CEO, representing the team with husband Dan still on double secret probation and not fully involved in team function. So I think Peter King is used potentially, and I think he has very high sources. And a lot of his sources are saying that the Miami Dolphins are dead, Darius.

And that is your team. D-Butt, that is your team. B-Flow is not a player's coach. They're losing. He's slamming his headset. They're cutting vets that they're signing and paying $30 million. What the hell is going on down there? And do you know Brian Flores?

And what are your thoughts on him? I do know B-Flow. He was actually the assistant DB coach, my rookie, my first two years in New England. So I know him. I mean, like you said, they're there right now. They stink. I mean, I'm shocked coming into this year, obviously, off a 10-win season.

You thought Tua was going to take another step. He's not playing terrible. But if you watched that game yesterday, X Howard got a pick, set the Dolphins up to kind of in scoring position. The next play, Tua makes the worst probably throw of his career and puts Atlanta right back in scoring position. So those plays obviously got to be eliminated. Another team that obviously is in big talks with Deshaun,

but do you mortgage the future for a guy you're not sure about? So they're kind of almost handcuffing the keeping Tua. But B-Flow, man, I don't know what's going on. And I had some people reach out to me in that organization that like hey man it stinks in here yeah it stinks in this building right now and you know hearing that at this point of season because it's it's 10 weeks left to go in this season so uh it's pretty early on to be hearing that but it's not looking good down there in the yayo another quote from that peter king article was from an executive around the nfl who said somebody answer me this question we have no idea if deshaun watson's he's even going to be eligible for the start of next season why would

you be sending three first rounders plus two second rounders for somebody you have no idea if you're around that peter king article every single monday morning is littered with great shit because i just assume that he is incredibly dialed in and connected and peter king went on to say it's crazy to think anybody would do that it's crazy for houston to not wait until the off season also said the executive who i assume is trying to play prognosticator on how the Deshaun Watson situation ends up, or maybe that person is in on the Deshaun Watson negotiation and is publicly trying to say through Peter King, hey, there's no way we can give you three ones and two twos for somebody we're not even sure about. There's always a game happening within a game.

And Darius Butler is always the man who comes on and breaks it all down for us. We appreciate you, D-Butt. Appreciate y'all, and breaks it all down for us. We appreciate you D but. Appreciate y'all man. Thanks for having me on. Hey, where, where can we read your blogs and stuff? Oh, you know, it's every week pff.com. I just throw my best three bets in there and you know, no big deal. Short article, quick read, probably a minute and a half, two minute reads. Not, not, not.

Okay. You're also on their pregame show, I believe every Sunday, right? Yeah. I go in there for about 15, 20 minutes, just kind of talk through the games on that Sunday slate. And I'm usually pretty right. I got to tap in. It doesn't always show my betting against the spread shit, but talking about the game, I'm pretty right. And also the Man to Man podcast with Antoine Bethea.

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Might be in Vegas. Might be abroad, because this weekend is UFC 267 in Yas Island, Abu Dhabi. Then next week, another banger, Usman Covington II. Ladies and gentlemen, the president of the UFC, Dana White. What's up, dude? What's up, guys? What's up, guys? How are you? Hey, good, man.

Hey, I've seen this quote, I think, on your wall. Aaron Rodgers is, what are you, Aaron Rodgers' book of the week, Art of War there, Sun Tzu. Do you know anything about this? Have you read this? Have you shaped your life around this at all, Dana? I have not, no. You have not read this? No, never read it.

Where do you get your leadership style from? Books, documentaries? You do your own thing? That's a good question. I have no idea. All right, because this weekend, you're at Yas Island, Abu Dhabi, and this was obviously a creation

of the COVID, the world stoppage. And you were one of the most forefront, voices saying the world wants to stop, but I can make this happen. Here we are now post the entire thing. You were forced out of doing it. It seemed like in the interviews, but the idea remained. Now you're still doing business over there. Is this something that was birthed in the creation of necessity? And then now you'll continue to do business long term and how many more of those types of situations do you have cooking no we've been partners with these guys for a long time um uh probably 12 or 13 years ago we did a deal with Abu Dhabi and uh you know I have a lot of respect for these guys. They've been very good to me personally and to the sport.

They love the sport. And this time when I go, I leave Wednesday, and I got a lot of meetings over there. And hopefully when I leave Fight Island this time, I can make some big announcements. We're going to do some big stuff over there over the next 10 years. AJ has some questions for you, but my last one here, when you do business over there,

you said 13 years, you guys have been doing business together. Is it different than dealing with anywhere else? Because in the fight game, there's fighters from all over the world. So you have to do business with people and cultures and things that are from all around the globe. Is it easy to get things done in your eyes? Do you have to treat anything differently when you're doing international business like this? Yeah, I mean, obviously, every territory you go to, it's a little different in the way that they do business and the way that they handle themselves. Abu Dhabi has been incredible. When I started thinking about, I was literally out there trying to look for an island for us to take these fights to.

And, you know, they're like, we got an island. We can get this done with you. So they're amazing. Plus, you know, these guys are worth like a trillion dollars. So the whole COVID thing, they were light years ahead of COVID than we were here in the United States. When this thing first went down, they already had tests in Abu Dhabi. Abu Dhabi already had testing for COVID. So they were light years ahead of us, and that was the place to go. We built the only real bubble that ever really existed during COVID

when sports were happening. Dana, I know I've seen your room over there, Dana. I've watched some of your stuff where you take us through the room they give you over there on Yawside. It's unbelievable the setup you have. But from start to finish, when everything – you started talking to them about setting up this bubble and doing everything. How long did that take, and how in the world were you able to do that with all the the infrastructure and the moving

pieces it moved so fast it really did thank god and because really my company was only shut down for six weeks my people were off for six weeks and everybody was back working and and we were putting on events again and um the thing over there is what a lot of people don't realize is when you go to Abu Dhabi, the nicest hotels in the world, the nicest restaurants in the world. I mean, just everything there is over the top. Unbelievable. Um, what is it? Just everything over there is insane. What is insane. They have very different viewpoints on alcohol and tobacco, right? And drug use at all, like marijuana or anything. And you guys...

Yeah. Yeah. They don't fuck around with drugs. But you can drink over there. There's alcohol. They have clubs and bars and stuff like that. It's way more normal. See, hopefully we're all starting to realize that 99% of what you see on the news is bullshit.

Here we go. Absolute, total fucking bullshit. Every time you watch the news. I can't even watch this shit anymore. I don't pay attention to it. I don't read anything. I don't listen to any of this shit. Okay. So when you go over there, you're saying it's vastly different than what you thought it was going to be. And you're that,

that's what you're saying. Yeah. There are people that are afraid to go there. They're afraid, you know, if, if they break some sort of law or something, you know, you can go over there, you can drink, you can party, you can have a good time. There's unbelievable hotels, restaurants and all this stuff. It's a great place to visit. And that's just Abu Dhabi. Dubai is like a whole nother level, you know, of what you can do over there. But if you fuck around with drugs and stuff like that, you might want to stay in the United States.

OK, and by the way, there's certain parts of the states that you should stay in as well as opposed to other parts. So I guess we all have different degrees of that type of stuff. But it's such a big place for you. I mean, we've got a big-time fight this weekend. Blakowicz and Teixeira. We've got the light heavyweight gold on the line. Dana, what should we be looking forward to this weekend? Yeah, you know, this whole card's good. Obviously, the main event, you know, to share is finally this guy, you know,

was one of the most highly touted fighters for years coming out of Brazil. He had immigration problems, couldn't get in. When he got here, he went on a run, and here he is now. He finally made it to the world title. Islam Makachev is fighting this weekend against Dan Hooker, which is an unbelievable fight. And the return, where it all started,

Hamzat Chamayev is back again and he's taking on Leach. Hamzat obviously fought back-to-back during COVID when we were on Fight Island. Blew up and became huge. The guy's undefeated. He's 9-0.

He's taking on Chinese badass Leach, which should be a very fun fight. Dana, have you ever thought about what you may do whenever you're done in the position you are now? I think you should explore trying to be a commissioner of maybe the NFL,

maybe NBA, maybe something else. Would that give you any interest? I don't plan on not doing this for a very long time so uh you know how come how come do you love it is it because i thought whenever the ufc sold or whatever i thought it was potentially in the contract like dana has to work for however long in the acquisition or whatever it was is it just you are you love it so much you love all the business the stress is everything about it i love every every minute of it and yes when we sold there was a thing that said that i had to stay um but nobody has to stay or do anything you know plus that that i think i've already gone through two contracts since we sold.

It's hard to believe, but coming up this year, it'll be six years that we sold. And yeah, no, there's nothing, no legal documents that make me have to stay here. I love this shit. I mean, I'm so excited. I said this before. One of the greatest fights I've ever seen was Zululon versus Covington. And those two are going to fight again in New York in a couple of weeks. Can't wait for that fight. You know, there's a lot of things that I'm still excited. Listen, I get to sit in this room

every week and make the greatest fights on earth. Then I fly to some of the coolest places in the world, stay in the nicest hotels, eat in the best restaurants, and sit in the best seats for the greatest fights on earth. Why would I not want to do this? Yeah, and then, by the way, your press conferences, you handle like an actual human as opposed to a robot. Fuck off, all right? I mean, what an incredible run you have.

I do worry, though, because I'm getting word, this weekend at Fight Island over there in Abu Dhabi. You might, you know, business-wise, you might need to strap it up, dude. Hasbulla is going to be there. I heard Hasbulla is going to be at Fight Island. Listen, you need to get your fucking negotiating shoes on, Dana. Hasbulla does not fuck around. He is going to take every dollar from the UFC once he gets out of there.

He and I have a meeting in Abu Dhabi. Yeah! Go! How much do you know he is the best? I know nothing about him other than the 10 to 15 second clips I see of him every single day from our friend Gumpy, who is his biggest fan for sure. What's going to happen? What are we going to do?

Is he the new president of the UFC maybe? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. He might be running UFC Russia. Dana, have an incredible week. Safe travels over to Abu Dhabi. Can't wait to see what, hey, the Cheetos.

I think it was Cheetos and some cream and cheese. I forget what you call it. Cheeto. Corn. Corn, yeah. On the last fucking Friday. It looked terrible. You said it wasn't bad.

It was excellent. Excellent. You got to try it. What's coming up? Do we have anything coming up? And when does that TV show debut? So I got one that I um, I'm going to do the next one in Abu Dhabi

and then the one after that is, uh, I'm doing with, uh, Guy Fieri. Hey, Guy Fieri told me one time he'd make me famous, Dana. Guy Fieri had his cell phone on me at a party and told me he'd make me famous. I mean, it didn't work immediately, but the son of a bitch did it.

You know what I mean? So tell him I said hello. Good luck this weekend. Good luck on Usman Covington, too, and thank you for your time. Thanks for having me, brother. Hey, I'm going to get you out to Abu Dhabi one of these days. Hey, listen, I think I like some herbs that they potentially

are very against over there, but we can get around it. We can figure it out. Ladies, I would love to, by the way. Done. We'll make it happen. Ladies and gentlemen, Dana White. Thank you. Yeah, Dana!

Can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. The fact that you allow us to be a part of your day-to-day, we are eternally grateful for it. Forever. Legit. If you enjoyed the show,

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