The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 525 - Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Ian Rapoport, Jett Passan, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: October 27, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ, and the boys chat about all the things coming out from the NFL Owner meetings being held in New York, Allen Lazard being out for Thursday Night Football as a Covid19 close contact and if it's possible we see any other players show up on the Covid19 list, and everything else going on around the league as we approach Week 8. Joining the program for his weekly appearance from the NFL Owners Meetings is NFL Network Insider, Ian Rapoport. Pat and Ian chat about everything being discussed at the Owners Meetings, Roger Goodell appearing a little flustered when being questioned about the Washington Football Team email leaks and accusations, Mark Davis' comments about everything going on with his football team, what he's hearing injury and Covid wise for Thursday Night's game between the Packers and Cardinals, and everything else going on around the league (24:33-42:14). Later, Coach Chuck Pagano joins the show for his weekly Coach Us Up Chuck segment to chat about how much an Owner would communicate with a Head Coach during a week like this, Coach Tomlin's presser and thoughts on the USC job, Joe Barry being out due to Covid Thursday and how that will impact the game, Robert Saleh and the Jets and how they turn that thing around, and his thoughts on the whole situation going on down in Miami with the Dolphins (42:16-1:11:33). Later, friend of the program, MLB Insider for ESPN, The Jett, Jeff Passan, joins the show to chat about the World Series, defend baseball a little bit, a potential work stoppage in the offseason, and he prepares for battle with an old adversary (1:37:28-2:01:04). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach or Sup Chuck Wednesday, October 27th, 2021. Chuck Pagano joins us. Jet Passon joins us. AJ Hawk joins us. Ian Rappaport joins us from the league meetings. I mean, there's a lot going on. We can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If you like the show, by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend.

If not, just act like it never happened. You all are the absolute greatest humans of all time for, you know, allowing us dumbasses to partake in your afternoons every Monday through Friday. We have a big announcement coming. It's awesome. It's crazy. It'll be in a few weeks and we can't thank everybody enough. I just want to make sure I say that. And whenever you see the announcement, whenever it breaks, Vios, I assume, because I am not great at things. There's some

things that have to get tidied up. Sure. Dot some I's. Cross some T's. Sign some names. Sure. Read through some... Are you trying to fuck me right here? A lot of that. There's going to be a little bit of that. But when it comes comes just know that

we you're the fucking greatest humans of all time anyways let's get to this sports show today there's a lot of news coming out of the uh owners meetings happening currently we will have ian rapaport join us today as opposed to tomorrow his normal slot because he is actually at the owners meetings where a lot of shit is popping off right now. I mean, there's a lot of conversations. There's about protesting. There's stories. There's investigations. There's Roger Goodell appearing to not be the greatest speaker I've ever seen in my life because it feels like he is potentially feeling a little bit more heat with how serious all this stuff is. He's stumbling, saying things that people are saying is a lie. He's saying it isn't a lie and it's only just beginning. It feels like there's going to become a kaboom at some point

with the nfl ian rapp portrait in the middle of all of it i can't wait to chat with him we do know that he is an employee of the nfl and he works for nfl.com and nfl network so whenever we talk to him we will take his information information as such but it'll be nice to have some boots on the ground over there and we can't't thank Ian for joining us enough. And in the second hour, Jet passing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, we're gassing up the Jet.

It's the return of the Jet. We're gassing up the Jet because the World Series is happening, and obviously I knew that yesterday before I was told that the World Series was starting yesterday because I knew that this Atlanta Braves team could hit. Good squad. Hey, they got good bats over there. Good wood on the Atlanta Braves. Now on the flip side, Houston Astros at home last night late in the night.

First hit, a home run. See you later. How you doing? Keep it moving. We'll talk jet passing about why it matters. I did not know the thing was starting yesterday. I tried to watch it. It was only the third inning at 9.54 p.m. What the fuck are we doing over there? It is a great time to be a baseball fan, though, right?

Oh, yeah. Best time to be a baseball fan. One of the storylines, guy last night pitched with a broken leg. Incredibly impressive, no matter how boring the sport is to watch during a regular season. World Series is electrifying. Incredible story about a guy breaking his leg in the game, still pitching, winning. Jet passing has all the inside information about what we should be looking for and who's going to win. Because I do love the fact that the Braves won by more than one and a half

runs last night. I will say that is fantastic. Shout out to Gump, by the way. Shout out to Gump and Tone Diggs, obviously. Hammered down boys giving us the baseball bets so we can make money off sports we don't watch, just like soccer. Speaking of sports we don't watch, basketball is happening. I guess we'll probably talk about that at some point.

Russell Westbrook's playing good. I don't know. And then A.J. Hawk and Chuck Pagano. It's a great day to have a great day. We can't thank you enough. We hope to have your phone calls at 1-833-4MAC-FE on the 5-Hour Energy phone line. The boys are here at the Talks table at Boston Corner at Ty Schmidt. Ty, let's start with you. Some football news.

Although Devontae Adams has already basically been ruled out of his Thursday night matchup tomorrow night. That is prime time, premier football. Cardinals pack. How you doing? Keep it moving. This is game of the year thus far. Devontae Adams out.

Joe Barry out. And now Alan Lazard out. All because Uncle COVID is running a train through Lambeau. What the fuck is going on? This is not good news, Todd. Yeah, I don't know. That one hurts because the Devontae one was obviously huge news, but it seemed like this kind of just slipped under the rug.

We didn't really hear all day if there were going to be multiple other guys in the receiver's room that were going to get it. I mean, Shefty alluded to it on Monday Night Football at halftime, but I hadn't really heard anything else, so I kind of just assumed they were going to have their full stable. But that – I mean, he does a lot. He's big in the run game too. He's a great blocker.

But I said before we came on air, I still feel like the Packers are going to win this game. It does feel like one of those games where Aaron could potentially do something magical. And this could be a game with all the players out for Green Bay that are very important. And players coming back for the Cardinals off of the that are very important uh and players coming back for the cardinals off of the covet list like chandler jones coming back yeah huge game changer i mean

that is huge so is this a game where the cardinals even though you would assume that with jj watt the guy who you know he plays a busted nose maybe we're just better hey maybe we're just better i watched him turn An entire city upside Fucking down When he scored a touchdown Against us on a prime time I mean he was

Turned down for what Was playing in Houston And not only is he on Every single page Of the program Down there Which he is Every commercial

On the Jumbotron Then he was on Offense Defense I think he was even On special teams At one point And turned down

For what came on Where he either Had a fumble recovery an interception a fucking touchdown whatever it could have been whatever jj watt has done he's standing on the bleachers going like this with that and the whole crowd is singing along i'm like god damn this guy's like a maestro i don't know if jj watt has it in him to have a letdown game potentially because the other team doesn't have their full arsenal. But this is certainly a game that in years past, this young Cardinals team would potentially take their foot off the gas.

I only know that because I have bet alongside this Cardinals team ever since I seen Kyler Murray hit a little stop and go and score a touchdown around a professional athlete. I was like, okay, that's a guy that is unstoppable. Then he has Hopkins on the team, and it was electrifying on defense. So I just bet alongside them. It was a heartbreaking year because some games they would show up, some games they would not.

It would just be a completely different squad. Talk to Kyler Murray after the season. He said, we've got to be more consistent every single day. We've got to be consistent in our work, in our process, blah, blah, blah. They acknowledge it. It seems like they've turned a corner. They could, hey, if that buzzsaw gets going

tomorrow night, with the lack of Devontae and now Lazard, and if that... Very banged up in the secondary, too. With the Cardinals potentially, the way they can score, how they can score, the defense, how they can create turnovers and and not that the green bay packers are but that that could get or i could see it being like a packers game where they somehow make this a win and aaron rogers somehow does he's gonna you're gonna end up getting like seven eight points by

the time this thing kicks off aaron rogers in seven and a touchdown going into anywhere you would think i'm betting on a Aaron Rodgers no matter what. And I think that's how people are viewing it, though, is this Cardinals team could be at the maturity level that they are like, hey, it doesn't matter who we're playing, how we're playing, what's on the team, what isn't on the team. We got a ball. I mean, it's a big testimony.

This is a massive game on the schedule. Yeah, for sure. And, I mean, they have been consistent thus far. You know, I mean, notwithstanding coverage, like they've only had a couple games where it was like okay they could lose this but outside of that they've been peddled to the metal pretty much but also i mean i do think they're gonna win but it is kind of easier going and not that you have like a built-in excuse because all these guys are expecting to win anyway but it's like the offense is gonna look much you know if they do go out and they lose, it's like, okay, well, you had, you know,

two of your, your top receivers weren't playing. So, and hopefully that's not going to happen again for the rest of the season. A big conversation about tomorrow is what's the risk for you? Same game parlay. Yeah. We've been thinking about it. We've been keeping an eye on where COVID has been bouncing around in Lambeau

too. That's right. Cause maybe Devante was definitely going to be a part of the same game parlay. Oh, yeah. He would have scored. Most likely. Definitely. Yeah.

Now do we think, oh, Randall Cobb. Oh. Aaron and Randall, pretty tight. Yeah. On the same page a lot. Both just said they still got a bag of tricks they haven't unveiled yet. Look for Randall. Is that going to end up on the risk-free same-game parlay?

Whoa. Possibility? Wow. Aaron Jones is probably going to have to have a big game. Oh, so he's probably going to score. He might find his way in there. Oh, and then you go on the other side. D-Hop's going to score, right?

Yeah. D-Hop's going to score. And then we've got to figure out who else. Will Ertz make it two for two? You think Ertz is going to find the end zone? I'd assume there's a chance so what i'm saying is i think tomorrow's game is setting up nicely for how we go about doing risk-free same game parlays now the council will meet tomorrow morning and we do hope that the nfl has announced completely who is in and who is out right by the time the council meets because that was something that almost came into play last week

even though we didn't hit a single leg. There was somebody that was going to be, which I don't know if that's more impressive. I don't know if it's more impressive to hit zero than having like four out of five, which has happened a couple times. Having zero hit. But there was somebody who was going to potentially be on there that we took off last minute that ended up being ruled out of the game,

and it was like, okay, kind of got the football gods going in our favor. Because what happens if we do that, and then all of a sudden they're ruled out by the game? What do we do with the risk-free same-game parlay? What will Fandle do? What will we do? How will we get around that? Or is that thing just null and void and we've got to push back another week?

Because I don't want that because it's time for this thing to hit. It's time for the risk-free same same game parlay to make a lot of hay for a lot of people hell yeah that are on the sport i don't know how many states have fandom right now i think it's seven maybe eight it's growing i think by the week uh-huh some people know i think more than other people about when the states will be getting on board so i think that's good news because if we don't know but maybe there is some conversations happening somewhere about states going on, that means they're probably close and they could drop overnight.

There's a lot of handshaking. How you doing? Keep it moving. But this Thursday night football game with the Packers traveling into Arizona, with how the Bird Gang's playing and the Red Sea will be cheering and how electrifying all of Phoenix will be, it's setting up very well for our same-game parlay. And it's going to be an honor when this is the first one that hits.

It's going to be an absolute honor when this thing hits. Because once one hits, guess what? Then we're just taking the lid off. Boom. Then the bucket's a lot wider. The hole on the green's a little bit wider. All of a sudden, those putts that are four out of five, four out of five, three out of four,

rim and eye, rim job city. Nah, nah, nah. Those ones, guess what? Falling. In the bucket. How you doing? Keep it moving to the next one. And that's why I'm excited for tomorrow night.

At Boston Connor, you've been trying to shoehorn Mac Jones into the conversation for the last few days. We actually had a top five graphic of quarterbacks in their receiving yards and touchdowns or passing yards and touchdowns. And you were complaining loudly about how could we please make this a completion percentage graphic top five in the NFL because Mac Jones is going to be up there. Yeah, it's important to say.

So Mac Jones is balling, got the Chargers this weekend. You have said openly out there, biggest game he's ever seen. That's right. Why is this game so big between the Patriots and the Chargers? Because this is the first game that if we do win, you can finally consider the Patriots a real team. I mean, we've only beaten the Jets and the Texans. Who gives a shit?

We've been close to beating the Broncos. Yeah, exactly. We've been close to beating good teams, and we've just lost, so who cares? And if we end up beating the Chargers off a bye after they look pretty bad against the Ravens, I think that's a pretty legitimate little stamp on Mac Jones and the season. I'm a little bit worried that you are very pumped for Halloween weekend. Uh-huh, very.

You've actually been the leader of the call for us to all wear costumes on Friday. Yeah, have to do it. Yeah, so I think Friday's a little bit early. It's two days before Halloween. If we were to all dress up in costumes, it's potentially I ain't doing too much, but I heard your passion about it. I heard others, and we will now be dressing up on Friday. Here we go.

And you said you're not taking your costume off for the entire weekend. That's right, until Sunday. So you are pumped for this weekend. You are excited for this weekend. Chargers off a bye after getting embarrassed. I mean, that is a tall task. That's a revenge game. Got killed last year.

Yeah, we did beat them by 40 last year in that stadium. I mean, it's going to be a tough game. I mean, this is one of those ones where you would have loved. Is your mullet in the costume? Is this helping the costume, hurting the costume? Is the mullet a part of the costume? I mean, I think the mullet helps me every day, Pat. But with the costume, absolutely.

I would say that it is an integral part of what I am dressing up as. Okay, the mullet does help you every day. Absolutely. Yeah, because when people see you, they're like, hey, that guy over there, good guy. I was at the grocery store. Some lady said, did you lose a bet? Why does your hair look like that? I said, oh, en contraire, mon frere.

This is just because I love this hair. Well, I respect that, appreciate that, but if it was a lady, that is not mon frere. Yeah, that's right. It's mon soeur, I think. Mon soeur, soeur's sister, frere's brother. There it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got into a full French conversation yesterday.

Yeah, that's right. It was good. It was pretty good. We were learning about the French Revolution french revolution yeah our accents were on point i've heard we we were right that's right i appreciate you man we're gonna be dressed up on friday you think you're gonna uh you're gonna bring it huh the hype hey for people that are watching and listening the hype around connor's costume is almost the same as mac jones it is well that is mac jones is no hype i mean that guy's a ball slinger we know that he's going to be a good quarterback in the nfl i understand that you got mac who mac jones who shirt you got the no bull shoes on that you have not taken off always since you learned that mac jones was a no bull partner or whatever the case is and no bulls are the athletic version of toms

well yeah i don't know i don't know if i would say of toms toms are pretty athletic in their own no toms is a great company okay they donate those shoes and everything like that it was a great thing i had a couple toms they're very comfortable When I even got into the furry Toms game, those were best slippers in town. I mean, they were the absolute best slippers in town. But I do believe the no bull people just said, hey, how'd you make those? We're going to make them more.

We're going to make them a little bit more athletic. And you've been wearing them every day. That's right. And I just assume that they are going to fall apart, fall into pieces at some point. Those things are just as sturdy as they were the first time you wore those. And they say no bull on them. So it's not as if, you know, you put these shoes on.

Hey, those are kind of like tongs. It's like, no, these are no bulls, brother. That's why it says no bull on it. It's a no bull season, baby. No bullshit. No bullshit. All bull. You're into Mac Jones, though.

But this costume, I would say, very similar type atmosphere from you. Yeah. No, I'm fired up about it. I haven't really had this chance. This is the first time I've had this bucket. I feel like I've had a lot of different hairstyles in my day. But this is the first time. And this, hopefully, is the forever one pending when Roman gets my pills in here for my hair loss.

But I do believe. Is that a little bit on back order? Perhaps. What's going on? How come we can't get the goddamn pills? Perhaps. I do believe. What's going on? How come we can't get the goddamn pills?

I'm just assuming, you know, Roman's helping out so many people these days that, you know, everybody's asking for something from Roman, and I don't want to take any. Well, that's what they want. They deserve it. Exactly. But we need to get you some pills on there. What are you talking about? You think you're not going to be able to last long in bed?

Well, no. I already know that. I think that there's a chance that my hair might end up thinning out at some point. Roman has so much. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They do help a lot. And the swipes, they've done their job for me at least.

But I'm just saying I do believe my hair might end up getting a little too thin to the point of no return. And I want to make sure we don't get there. No, it looks great. Thank you. I'm proud of you, and I'm happy that you found your forever helmet. But that is the perfect haircut to have for Halloween. Yes. It's just like people who have facial hair who need a mustache for Halloween.

Like, hey, perfect. Got the mustache for it. I grew an entire beard operation so I could be Lieutenant Dangle, so I could have the mustache one time in college. That type of commitment to the facial hair. The mullet, though. I mean, it is such a... I cannot wait to see what you're not... He said he's going to wear it for 72 straight out.

That's right. It was unbelievable. And I will just because I love it that much. I did think of another costume just in case I do have to switch it up. But also, I haven't been committed to the beard. This is strictly a Halloween beard that I've been growing out for a dish.

A little... Yeah, A little salt bae sprinkle on what it might be. Leaving a trail of evidence. That's right. Hansel and Gretel. Of course. They gave two thumbs up, right? And they left a trail of breadcrumbs. Got it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're thinking of Siskel and Ebert.

So I actually... Yeah, they are the people. Hey, I don't know what's up with Siskel and Ebert. So I actually... Yeah, they did. They are the people. Yep, that's right. Hey, I don't know what's up with Siskel and Ebert, if they're still fucking judging people or not. I don't think so. They're starting to come after those Nielsen folks, though. Oh, yeah.

I guess Nielsen's about to get... About to get got? Chopped down. I think a lot of people have had questions about the Nielsen ratings. Like, how can this be anywhere near accurate with the way people consume content these days? Do the Nielsen people just know at at all times about everything even new technology i guess there is some some some rippling effects questioning the nielsen stuff i guess that's happening from a higher level than us it's about

damn time yeah exactly it is people are making incredible you know incredibly impactful business decisions strictly around what these yeah this has been happening for a long time like hey old nielsen is going to decide who eats and who doesn't basically and it's like all right well can we get a little bit of a check maybe on how we can know if that's accurate i don't know how it works somebody's like well it's a it's a random scattering of uh boxes where they tap in around i'm like who's who's who do they do they pick and choose who's whose boxes they they check how does that even work and then there's people that change up their entire channel their network because of it and now we're entering a whole new world where apps and

streaming and social media is how people basically watch a lot of shit it's like who's keeping the score what's the scoreboard like and i think there are more people asking that question now, which is good. Well, you know, they had a good run. How about Cisco and Ebert? They still thumbs up?

I believe Ebert has passed away. No. Autumn's very dead. Yes. I'll be honest. No. I have no clue who these two people are. Roger Ebert,

dude. Who the fuck is Cisco and Ebert? We'll have a moment of silence. Okay. Which one? Cisco? No. Ebert.

Rest in peace, dude. Or, I don't know, Ebert? Yeah, Roger Ebert. Oh, that is a man. Rest in peace, dude. I didn't want to... I thought he was a Sesame Street character.

A Bert and Ernie. Yeah, exactly. There's been a couple great tag teams that have been out there. It was actually Gene Siskel that died. So I knew I was right. My brain was telling me I didn't even know who it was. Are you putting something up on the screen here? Is this which one?

No, dude. Bullshit. Bullshit. That's who these two are? Yeah. Yeah, dude. Have a little respect for literally the four most mentioned human beings in rating movies of all time. Are you shitting me?

Yeah, you you know long before there was social media where everybody could just judge movies themselves and there's a couple movies out right now that have a vastly different critics rating versus audience rating yeah vastly there's a couple there's two in particular documentaries that have a vastly different before all that you had to go to the authority. These two knew everything about everything. In my particular case, if Mr. Siskel or Mr. Ebert said a movie was terrible, I probably knew I was going to enjoy it. That was something that I probably knew was going to happen.

They were the standard. You knew you either agreed with them or you didn't agree with them. I did not. So I was like, dumb and dumber, very low. That was a lot of thumbs down. I said Tommy Boy. That was the only movie they ever walked out him. I did not. So I was like, dumb and dumber, very low. I think that was a lot of thumbs down. Except Tommy Boy was the only movie they ever walked out on. Yeah, see. Tommy Boy?

Exactly. They are both dead. Yeah. Okay, I was going to say, there's no way Ebert's not dead. I know Ebert's dead. Come on. We said we were never going to do this again. I thought Siskel might have been alive, but I knew Ebert was dead.

I thought, honestly, when you pull up that photo, it's like Wozniak Jobs. Very similar. That's what it was in judging. Yeah. That's what it was. It was the Wozniak. It was the Jordan and Pippen of judging.

Sure, yeah. And rest in peace, dude. To both of them. Hell of a run. Thumbs up. One last thumbs up for them. Two thumbs up. They just did thumbs up. One last thumbs up for them. Two thumbs up. Two thumbs up.

They just did thumbs up. I wish I had two more hands. That's one of the documentaries, though. The person that created that. I was talking about with the critic score and the audience score. Anyways, let's move on. Halloween's awesome. Very excited for Halloween.

Tony, you always go hard on Halloween.een we appreciate we're excited about it the news allegedly today that has to be chatted about before we get to a break and then have ian rao actually in rapport is going to be joining us in about a minute so this actually works out exactly how it should nice it's not that we did it on purpose but at about 18 minutes into our conversation about random nonsense i did think to myself okay we can probably stretch another six minutes before Ian Rappaport gets on here with some actual information, dialed in, boots on the ground at the owners' meetings, which I believe are in New York. I'm not sure.

Where are they? I don't know. I assume. I think it's in New York. Just strictly because the picture of Mark Davis walking down the street, that looked like, I'm not 100% sure, but Mark Davis was asked by, the owner of Mark Davis walking down the street that looked like I'm not 100% sure but Mark Davis was asked by the owner of the Raiders was asked by the media outside of wherever they are meeting at if he would give a comment on the Washington football team email

investigation and he said I'm going to dinner I'll be back I'll be back guys hey what about your coach that was caught up in the Washington football team email investigation that promptly had to resign, and now you guys got Richie Bisaccio. Do you have anything on what other emails could be? I'm done with dinner, guys. I'll be back. That's awesome. I'm out of here.

I'm not answering any questions. They didn't follow him, so I guess they weren't that persistent. But the league meetings, the owners' meetings, has a lot of conversation being generated out of it. Now that the world's opening back up, so many new thrills are on the horizon. Okay. And whether you've been in a relationship for years or just getting started, we're excited to get back out there and meet new people.

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Joining us now, boots on the ground from in there, an employee of the NFL, NFL.com, and NFL Network, senior NFL insider, and host of the weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and Franzi and Rappaport. Yeah! What's up, guys? senior NFL insider and host of the weekly wrap-up with rap sheet in frenzy and rap what's up guys he's at the Dell's hotel room you're sitting outside

of right there uh no so here's what's going on so I'm in a corner here next to me is the coat check you see the coat check there and that's kind of the lobby where everyone's hanging out there's Albert Greer and Judy Batista that's literally Mark Davis sitting down with reporters right there I'll be back guys he just said I'll be back guys yesterday when he was going to get dinner and now he's sitting down he's back so I while I'm doing this our reporting team is over there talking to him which we are getting it on NFL Network, and you will see his comments later. So that'll be fun. How upset are you right now that you're missing this Mark Davis conversation over there?

I'm not upset because I trust my colleagues that they're going to have great questions and proper interview, and I'm going to get to learn about it later. Okay. I appreciate you for joining us, especially in the middle of everything that's going on right now, calling from the league meetings. I got a couple of quick questions about how these operate. So there's open sessions. And I read from Peter King that he said that there will be nothing talked about the open session because they believe there's too many leaks.

And then there's now a privilege session as well. What is the difference between the two? Is one just the owners and presidents? And what is the other one? Yeah. So there's basically meetings where meetings where like everyone gets to take place so it's owners and presidents and there's you know pr people like head communications people and then there's um other people who work for the you know work for the team but there's like a whole team and then what happens is you'll see the people like a lot of those people will kind of be walking around you'd be like okay this must be the

one per club session which basically means as a organization as a football team you only get one person in that room and always that is the owner and that's the one where they get to talk about all the real stuff like that's the one where presumably, which happened late last night and then early this morning, there was a one-per-club session where presumably the Washington football team emails were discussed, the John Gruden emails, the workplace conduct of the Washington football team, all that stuff was discussed in that session.

And yes, owners are unfortunately there's, you know, owners are not, unfortunately, not great leakers. So a lot of times those conversations do remain confidential. Who's running the one per club meeting? Is that Goodell running that? Yeah. Goodell runs the meeting. I believe, I mean, he is involved as far as running it. I've never, this is actually unfortunate and not fair. I've never been

invited to one. I know, I know. But I believe it's Goodell running and taking part in it. Okay. So have you ever seen Goodell flustered like he was what I think was yesterday or this morning? I've never seen him misstep or miscalculated. He is one of the greatest speakers of all. Literally, I saw him come in front of our team before the lockout. And when he was answering questions and it was incredible. I've never seen somebody take heat and then talk, give an answer. Not really, though. But appease the person that asked the question and move to the next one.

It's political conversations, basically. It's the top-level politicians can do this. That's why when Manfred steps up and calls it a piece of metal and does this stuff, it's like, Roger Goodell is incredible at speaking. He is why he's the commissioner. It's why he gets paid so much. He takes all the shrapnel and he can handle it. He seemed a little bit about the emails and everything.

Is this much bigger, you think, than they know it's much, much? This is a big-ass deal, you think, or no? I mean, it's starting to be a bigger deal. I mean, in this lobby where I'm sitting on the floor right now talking to you guys, I don't even have a chair. Thank you, by the way. Thank you, Ian. Thank you, Ian.

Thank you. No problem, guys. Anyway, two former Washington football team employees showed up to call for transparency. Two members of Congress yesterday and again, sort of reiterated their call for transparency to release the emails. The NFL has said they are not going to, have made no moves to do that. And I just don't know what now could compel the NFL to do that. I mean, maybe Congress, as far as it getting bigger, like I don't know what now could compel the NFL to do that. I mean, maybe Congress.

As far as it getting bigger, like, I don't know what sort of the next step would be because I don't know how much bigger it can get. The NFL has, you know, refused to release all the information, as they did in similar situations in the Flakegate, in the Miami Dolphins bullying scandal. You know, there's a couple others that they've released all the they have not done that and made no sign toward doing that okay so i know that you probably know just as much as us about the entire situation but it seems like the new tactic by roger goodell is we would like to get all the information. We would like access to all the information.

This is whenever Goodell was talking about the commissioner's exemption list for Deshaun Watson. I think also with the Washington football team investigation, how he wanted to garner all the information, all of the details before saying anything. Is this because of previous missteps in his eyes he thinks like for what has happened and because there's always a potential new piece of evidence that will be displayed potentially in a very public manner and then all of a sudden roger goodell has to like fucking own that he didn't know that that existed or whatever so is that why the new tactic is we're letting and waiting for all of the information? And do they think that will ever come?

You know? Well, as far as the impetus behind this, there was a high-profile incident with a Giants kicker a couple years back. Remember this? They suspended him a game. And then I believe it was a diary entry. Something came out from his accuser that led to basically him never playing again after the nfl had basically already suspended him so i don't think they want to get in that situation again where they make a move do a punishment and then find out all sorts of other info and then

the punishment you know doesn't stand up to the information they have but they do not want to do that as far as deshaun w, you know, I've been – I have heard since training camp that he's not going – meanwhile, Tom Pelissero is now live tweeting from Mark Davis scrum that's going on there. Oh, you're getting dunked on, Ian. Oh, no. Well, no.

Same team. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're collectively dunking. You passed. You actually passed it. Yeah. I did the dishing, as they say. We're collectively dunking. You passed. You actually passed it. Yeah. I did the dishing, as they say. Lonzo.

Mm-hmm. Ooh. Yeah, you Lonzo'd that thing. But yeah, so I have not – I have believed that Deshaun Watson was not going on the commissioner's exemplus since they made him eligible to practice in July. And so I've been sort of surprised that people have still been waiting for an answer. To me, we got the answer. And Goodell reiterated that yesterday, based on the information they have now, he is eligible to play. Could that change when the NFL talks to him, when the investigation's over, when the civil lawsuits are over? Maybe. But

if he was traded today, he would be eligible to play for his new team tomorrow. And this is what Pellicero just said, by the way. Owner Mark Davis voicing his frustration with the way the NFL handled John Gruden's emails. This is after two, one from each club meetings. Now, it's a timing issue. Says league may have had for months and would have been a lot, may have had for months. It would have made for a lot easier if team had known sooner. Were they treated unfairly?

We're Raiders. We're used to this. if team had known sooner. Were they treated unfairly? We're Raiders. We're used to this. Okay, so for the one-club meeting, I assume there was some frustrations and grievances aired in there, as is every single.

And this is Mark Davis coming out of there. Okay, fascinating. We'll see how that whole thing pans out. I think a lot more of those emails are coming at some point, somehow, some way, and who knows what's going to be in those. I think that is why the eyes are so heavily on them. Let's get back to Deshaun Watson because you are currently in a standoff, Ian,

with John motherfucking McClain. Oh, shit. Hey, listen, John. Am I? Yeah. Well, I mean, last week he said that it was an imminent deal was between the Texans and the Dolphins. Then you came on our show here and you said,

I don't think anything is imminent or whatever. You thought maybe in the offseason. Now Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald is reporting that the Houston Chronicle is reporting that a deal between the Texans and Dolphins has already been agreed to, including three first-rounders in the future, but it would have to be after or the legal off the field stuff has already been settled.

So now, John motherfucking McClain came out and said, I never reported that. I'm just telling you what I heard. What is the situation? If you're going to do McClain, you've got to do the accent and the voice. No, no, I don't know. I don't do that. No, I don't know who John McClane is. What's the accent?

Let me hear it. That's not... I have actually a very good McClane, but I'm not going to... Oh, that's me! That's me! No, I love McClane. Yes, he did come out and deny

the report that cited his report about a trade being agreed to. Here's what I know. There is, as of right now, no trade. I do not sense anything as of this very second imminent. If the Dolphins and the Texans both decided to do a trade, I do not believe compensation would be an issue. In other words, I don't think there's going to be a big disagreement whether the Dolphins are like, we want to get two first-rounders and the Texans are like, we want to get four. We're way past that. I think if a deal was going to happen,

then the compensation would be fairly simple. I don't believe they've agreed because besides the three first-rounders, there's probably some other picks. There's all sorts of, you know, there's some things you could argue, but I do believe that they'd be able to come to it pretty quickly. As of now, there is no deal. I think Miami would like, you know, a little more clarity. I think Goodell coming out and saying yesterday that he is eligible again probably helped. But as far as a deal right now, I do not believe that.

Did Deshaun actually say he'll only go to Miami? Officially, he has only waived his no-trade clause to Miami. So one thing I reported earlier, and now that you follow me on Twitter, you probably saw this, is that Carolina Panthers, as of now, are out. So maybe in the offseason they might be. There it is. I mean, look at that beautiful tweet. Yeah, we do see your tweets.

I mean, your tweets are pretty good. I mean, we don't know anything about you as a human, but the robot that is NFL information, you're amazing on there. Yeah, I had actually a spelling mistake right before I sent that. I had to fix it before people saw it. So that was – Hold on. People don't always see the behind-the-scenes stuff, but...

Hold on. Somebody called Troy Vincent Trot Vincent. Yeah, I don't know. The arrow did. I think it was the arrow, Pellicero. Pellicero said Trot Vincent says. So that's a big deal. We notice those things.

I want to let you know. The world notices, and we appreciate your diligence on spelling. Yeah, here it is. NFL exec Trott Vincent. Whoa. Oh, dear. Tom Pellicero. It's hard whenever you're taking the entire memo, though,

and transmitting it right in there. You can see how Vincent and Troy are pretty similar there. A lot of weird letters. Let me put the T on the end there. It's possible the NFL accidentally put Trott in it. He's just, you know. Yeah, you're right. It's not a function.

Yeah, it could have been. It's not Palacero's. Whoever sent it to Palacero is Neuralink. Right. Boom. That's who it was. Go ahead, Ty. Rapsheet, with Alan Lazard on the COVID list now with Devontae Adams and Joe Berry,

I think the Packers activated Malik Taylor. But should we anticipate more guys potentially being inactive for tomorrow's game, or how is this going to work? I think it is possible. It doesn't sound like – you know last year when someone would get COVID and then more people would get COVID. Last year there were times Ravens, Titans, it felt like a runaway train. It felt like every day you were like, oh, God, what COVID news is going to happen? Who's going to be ruled out?

It was a lot of reasons. Last year was not fun. But dealing with that sort of COVID fear almost was really not fun. This doesn't sound like that. This does not sound like there is an outbreak there. It sounds like a couple of cases. They hope it has not spread, but we'll probably find out today at four if there are others. As far as we know, there are only two

confirmed cases. Devontae and Joe Barry. Alan Lazard, who's not vaccinated, is a high-risk close contact. So those are the three. So close contact is still knocking out players? That is still a protocol thing? Only if

you're not vaccinated. And that's why there were some people who were sort of like, for me, why do I have to mention that he's not vaccinated? The reason is if he was vaccinated, being a high-risk close contact does not exist. He would be eligible to play. Can he get the shot today?

Yeah. No. Why not? Because it takes nine days or something like that. But he would still be out. How many days was it? Foxy, how many days was it? I thought it was two weeks for us. 13 days or something like that?

We were still treated as, I think everybody was kind of treated like that. That was from the second shot. Yeah, that was. Come on. Yeah, it was way back. You get the signal, though. It's horseshit. We got right here.

Who knows if it's still working or not. One time. I mean, I got. Get the booster. Well,, I got the booster. Well, I did get the booster. I got, I got COVID.

Yeah. So like I actually, I got the natural way. Yeah. I got the boot. I earned it too. I mean, we got,

we got high heat. We're throwing high heat inside me there too. So I think I hopefully should be good forever. Who knows? Go ahead, Connor. Hey, we appreciate you here.

And last question for you, pal. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah. Rap sheet. Will the owners. Last question for you, pal. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Rapshie, will the owners talk about, like, the possibility of bringing in, like, Jeff Bezos or someone who wants to own an NFL team at these meetings? Great question. Jeff Bezos is a fascinating figure

because I know there are a lot of high-ranking people in the NFL who want him involved. I have not heard that he actually wants to be an owner right now. And then, look, there's no team for sale right now, so this is all kind of whatever. The Broncos! The Broncos! Next year, the Broncos are for sale. Unless I am missing something,

I do not hear that he wants to be that right now. I think he's happy being a private citizen or whatever he is now that he's stepped down as CEO. He's a fucking spaceman. He's an astronaut. Yeah, a spaceman. He is going to be involved in the NFL because Amazon has Thursday nights

and we'll see if there are other ways that he will be involved, but I have not heard that he's going to end up being an owner, which actually kind of surprised me a little bit what is that room behind you looks like some sort of closed door conference room going on oh you're ian fucking rapaport dude you deserve to be in there don't you look i deserve to be in every room again me not being invited to the one per club i'm not going to say that i'm insulted because I wouldn't say that,

but I'm not going to be the one to say that. Yeah, they dunked on you. You've been around a long time. They hate you in there. They don't want any leaks. They said there's too many leaks anyways. The one per club meeting, too, what Connor was asking there, I thought the Broncos were for sale, and you have to get okayed.

Is it a unanimous decision by all the other owners? Is it a majority decision? Do they have to vote you in? How does it work? I think it's – that's annoying. I should know this. I think it's either three-quarters or two-thirds. I think it's three-quarters.

The Broncos are not for sale. There is a possibility after the season that they could be, but they're going to go through the steps. There's a right of first refusal situation going on. Like, does the family get the right of first refusal? There's a, they have to sort of figure out, like, is the family going to keep it? And I think after the season,

there will be a decision on the future of the Broncos. Are they going to be sold or do they keep it in the family? Who's going to buy a team? Why don't you buy a team? Is Gary Vee going to buy a team? Why don't you buy a team? Is Gary Vee going to buy a team? Is Gary Vee going to be who, like buying a team seems like the ultimate dream billionaire move, right?

Instead of going to space. And is the NFL want that to become like the new billionaire goal is to buy an NFL team. And how often that's already, that's already the billionaire goal. Yeah. But the turnover never happens. If it sounds like maybe the chargers, who knows what's going on with the chargers who i

don't know what's going on there maybe the broncos seattle at some point maybe but like from what i hear paul allen's sister really likes it so i don't know that she's dying to get out of it get out of it either like that's the problem is like you know There are reasons that teams sell. Jerry Richardson provided one a couple years back. But they rarely come open. I would say this. I should be an owner of a team. That's all right.

All right, this is it. Hey, good luck. Yeah, yeah. Good luck in there. We appreciate you calling. I hope you don't miss any more conferences. We appreciate your time, Ian. All right, I'm going to go listen to the Mark Davis interview

that my colleagues expertly got. So, bye, guys. Hey, way to catch up, ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. Yeah, got you! Joining us now is a former head coach in the NFL, a man who's been at these coaches' meetings. I don't know if that's the same league meetings or not. A guy who's going to break down everything happening for the coaches across the NFL.

A man who's been coaching football for over 30 years. Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano. What's up, man? What's up, guys? How we doing? Are you in an office right now? You got a good little shot over the window there. You look fantastic against the backdrop. How are you doing? You in an office right now? You got a good little shot over the window there? You look fantastic against the backdrop.

How are you doing? Doing great. Coming to you guys live from Boulder, Colorado. What's in Boulder? Born and raised here 61 years ago. This is where I was born and raised, and my family's still here. So I jumped in the car, as you know, with Taylor and Tori, my middle and youngest daughter, my grandson Bear.

Drove them down, two-day trip. Stopped in Little America, Wyoming. Stayed the night. Great adventure. Great trip. And landed here yesterday. And we got us a little VRBO. And going to spend time with my mom and dad and introduce my family down here to, uh, to bear.

So we got four generations of paisans meeting right now in Boulder, Colorado, after a stop in Wyoming. I can't thank you enough for joining us, Chuck. And your Q and a on your IG stories was fucking awesome. All right. Clearly Chuck has no idea what this is is he has no clue what's going on but his youngest daughter middle daughter running i think taking random pictures of where they're traveling through the random pictures of coach asking him questions that was incredible we very much enjoyed it over here at the office i i think you should do more of those yeah definitely wasn't my idea i have no idea what was going on until I started getting some questions. He was in the backseat.

Tori's in the backseat running the show, taking the videos, sitting next to Bear. Hey, we got some questions coming in. And some of the questions were a little bit crazy, but it was fun. Okay, well, let's get to some chit-chat, shall we, that we can ask you about. Your question, Earth, Wind, and Fire, by the way, I didn't know that. That was the big thing. I'm sure you turned it on in the car by the way started dancing are you a dancing and driver did you dance and drive or you just focused on the road oh everything dancing uh some stuff we don't want to talk about

all right let's get to it let's start chit-chatting about stuff that you know more about than us. These league meetings, did you ever have to go to this? Because we see, like, the head coach's picture. It's like a high school picture or whatever. Are these the meetings that you – this is the middle of the season, but are these the types of meetings that head coaches go to as well, or is this just executive and front office type stuff? These are just the owners, you know, right now.

The spring meetings, which included, you know, every head coach, every GM, owners. Shoot, there must have been 50, 60 people, personnel from each club attend these meetings. We go from Florida one year, then out to the Biltmore in Arizona. They were phenomenal. go from Florida one year, then out to the Biltmore in Arizona. They were phenomenal. I can't imagine the dime that the NFL drops on these things. And now they're doing them because of COVID. They're doing them via Zoom. I guess they're in person in this one. I saw a couple episodes earlier of those guys reporting from there. But yeah was uh it was a lot of fun but yeah there's a there's a lot of a lot of stuff to discuss right now this is again this is just the owners uh together right now uh kind of state of the union middle of the season like you said

all the coaches everybody's busy getting ready for for week eight of the national football league so some interesting stuff yeah i'd say yeah i'd say chuck Chuck, would you say Jim Irsay would go to these meetings? How much communication would you have back and forth with him? I know you'd be probably in the middle of your season, but would you talk about, hey, what happened there, Jim? What are you guys talking about? What do I need to look out for? How much communication do you guys have?

Yeah, it was kind of a need to know, AJ. So if it was something that was pertinent to myself or the club or something that was going to affect us from a competitive standpoint, that was one thing. But usually he kept that stuff, the league meetings this time of year, to himself. He obviously knew we had a task at hand in preparation for the upcoming game. So, again, unless it was something crazy,

you know, going on, like with the Washington football team and the 650,000 emails and what's happened, you know, with the Las Vegas Raiders and John Gruden being out and, you know, Paizan Richie football being 2-0 and all that stuff. You know, he didn't bother me with that kind of stuff. It was him, the GM, you know, and, again, we were on a need to know. Yeah, and I think that's how Richie Bisaccia is handling it, and he has to. He's been able to turn that team around, which is beautiful for the Italian-American community. Oh, yeah. Beautiful.

I want to talk to you about how a coach would feel like Tomlin, for instance. Mike Tomlin yesterday, when he addressed the rumors of him going to USC, and he said, are you asking Sean Payton these questions? Andy Reid these questions? There isn't a booster with a blank check big enough to get me out of the best job in the sports, basically, which is the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. How awkward is it when you know that maybe a coordinator is going to go get a head coaching job somewhere, or maybe your name is going to go get a head coaching job somewhere or maybe your name is being referenced?

And how come everybody doesn't come out and do what Tomlin does? Is that because most people are full of shit and don't know what's going to happen in the future? Yeah, what a great interview Mike is. I mean, I love him just as much as you guys love him. He's phenomenal, and he's been that way for a long, long time. I watched it. I loved it. He's getting ready to play a huge football game. Every week's huge in the National Football League because the next game is a huge one. And so you don't want to be dealing with questions like that. You want to talk about your team. You want to talk about

your opponent. You want to talk about what opponent you want to talk about you know uh what you need to do to win this football game and certainly not field and answer questions uh as stupid as as the one that they asked him you know regarding the the usc job in that situation i mean come on man what's he been the head coach of the steelers for 14 years yeah 15 maybe. I mean, 50, unbelievable. And to ask him if, you know, anything about that situation, they deserve the response. You know, I got asked a bunch of things, you know, over the course of my tenure in Indy,

things that had nothing to do with, you know, winning football games, our team, our opponent. And, you know, I always tried to kill them with kindness, the media, and just kind of not answer them and not, well, you answer them without answering them, but kind of leave them sitting there with hot coals in their laps. Don't overreact. But this situation here with what they asked Mike Tomlin about that job and the situation that they're in, totally ridiculous. But you've got to expect that from the media.

Right. That's their job. I guess they're going to ask questions. I thought for Tomlin, I was like, hey, it's a compliment that your name is being thrown out there, I feel like. And he says, you don't ask Sean Payton or Andy Reid. And I'm thinking, yeah, because they're not candidates for the job. So I think it's a compliment to Tomlin.

I understand you don't want to deal with the questions at the time, but he mentioned Andy Reid. Andy Reid came out and said he's seen things he's never seen before from his own team. What do you do? When they're at this point in the season, we know they have talent. They're just not living up to the expectations. What can he do? Yeah, you know, when you look at the Chiefs right now and you look at the predicament that they're in, you're sitting at the bottom of the AFC West when we just expect Andy Reid's offense,

we expect the Kansas City Chiefs to win week in and week out and not be in this situation. You'd love to have a bye. We talked about it last week, right? You'd love to have a bye week, but they don't get there. I don't think until week 12. So they just got to keep, you know, it's like a batter that's in a slump, you know, and not one that's bunting, but one that's, you know, swinging for the fences. But anyway, but anyway, you just keep, you just keep swinging, swinging that bat and, you know,

and stick to your process and all that coach speak. But, you just keep swinging that bat and stick to your process and all that coach speak. But, you know, they got to play better. And they got to quit turning the ball over. If you look at their turnover margin, Super Bowl season in 19 and 20 and then 2020, they're always plus five, plus six, plus seven. Right now they're at the bottom of the league at minus 10. Turnover margin.

You're not going to win any football games minus 10. The three wins that they had, they were even. The four losses that they had, they're minus 11. You're not going to win football games. And right now the defense can't stop anybody. They can't stop a nosebleed. Not the run, not the pass. They can't get off the field. I think they're 30th on third down, 28th or 29th in red zone defense.

They're not generating any pass rush, any sacks. They're like 32nd in sacks. So, again, you've got to just look at the tape, evaluate it, see what you have. They've missed some guys from an injury standpoint. Chris Jones has missed some games. Travarius, is it Travarius Ward? Corner has missed some guys from an injury standpoint. Chris Jones has missed some games. Travarius, is it Travarius Ward? Corner has missed some time. Frank Clark, their best pass rusher, has missed two or three games.

So they've got to get some guys back. They've had most of the pieces still on that football team. They're just in a funk. And we used to say, you've just got to get this shit off us. We've got to get this stink off us. And the only way to get it off, A.J., as you know, is you've got to get this shit off of us. We got to get this stink off us. And the only way to get it off, AJ, as you know, is you got to win a freaking football game. You got to get it.

Because winning cures everything, as we know. Chuck, I have a question for you. Because I think something that's also potentially happening, and it should be talked about in Tua's situation with Deshaun lingering overhead and that smoke being loud. And Tua just happened to be a professional. Hey, he's 23 years old, but he has to be be professional he's never had to deal with this before in his life I don't think but he has to be professional with his boss the GM whoever potentially wanting

another quarterback that we don't even know if he can play at this moment have you ever had to deal with like the human side of it like Patrick Mahomes has now been thrusted into superstardom 500 million dollars You know, his family's got shit going on on the internet that's potentially bringing some negative attention as well. Expectations are through the roof. How do you, you know, coach up somebody who's potentially going

through something that you could never predict? They can't give you a book on how to get through it, how to handle it. Do you think there's a chance that Patrick Mahomes is potentially letting a little bit of, you know, life get in the way of his performance? And do you think he's ever going to be able to get through it and on the other side of that?

Yeah, all great questions, Pat. And, you know, success sometimes is much harder to deal with and handle than failure. And so with those big contracts, $500 million deal, 10 years, comes a lot of expectations. And you don't know, I don't know his circumstances. I don't know his situation. He seemed to be squared away, you know, and so like he's going through some stuff right now and he's turning the ball over, you know, whether it's any of that, I don't know the answer to that. You guys don't know the answer to that. But we've seen guys

sign big contracts. The expectations go through the roof and they get sideways, you know, and they start, you know, putting more pressure on themselves. They start pressing. They try to do too much, you know, because they're not playing well right now. He's trying to put too much maybe on his plate, try to do too much, and things are just going the other way for those guys. You know, as far as Miami's concerned, if you watch that football team right now, you certainly think all this talk about Deshaun Watson, you know, trading two as our quarterback. The more that, you know, B-Flow comes out and says, hey, two as our quarterback,

two as our quarterback, two as our quarterback, the more we all think that that guy's out the door. That guy's not our quarterback, you know. And I think it affects the whole – you shouldn't have to say it. You know, you shouldn't have to say it. You know, it's one of those things that, you know, this guy ain't with us. We don't know if he's going to be with us. There's so much, you know much speculation surrounding Deshaun Watson and his future

that you can't speculate that. But does it permeate throughout the locker room? Does it permeate through your organization, your fan base, your players? Absolutely. All those guys are thinking the same thing, and they're like, okay, yeah, we're playing for contracts. I'm playing to feed my family. I'm trying to put food on the table, all this and the other.

But something is sour down there right now. And it's just not good. Chuck, if you keep losing, it's only going to get louder and worse. I mean, it is only going to get louder and worse. And those games, those close games that maybe you win, maybe it is potentially all of the uncomfort and guys maybe. I mean, there is so much that goes into team building. And shit like that can poison it.

It literally can poison it. It never gets talked about because I think a lot of players and coaches even are just treated like Madden players. Like, hey, show up, you're an 85. Show up, you're a 99. You're a 92. It's like, well, what about maybe fuck these people here? What does that make me?

Does that make me a 75? Does that make me a 75? Does that make me a 90? Whatever the case, you've got to be as professional as possible. You continue to lose, though. It's only going to get louder and worse. Go ahead, Tone. Coach, Bengals, young football team, they're hot, beating a division rival. They've got a division rival next week in the Browns,

but sandwiched in between that, they are playing the lowly Jets on the road, third straight road game. Is that like the worst nightmare for a coach, for a young team that's going, that's riding high playing a Jets team where maybe they could sleepwalk in there? You know, I think it can be. But like you said, this football team and Zach Taylor, he's done a phenomenal job. And you guys are always busting their balls about their facilities and the media podium and no, it is real.

And it stinks and they're overcoming all that. In spite of all that, we know the Brown family don't like to spend money. They never had a scouting staff. The coaches had to do all that stuff and I'm going on a tangent here, but they, they do not spend money. They never had a scouting staff. The coaches had to do all that stuff. And I'm going on a tangent here, but they do not spend money. You know, Mr. Brown is a fabulous human being. And that family is unbelievable. And you can go on and on about it. But, you know, that guy wore a ball cap and suspenders, you know, to the owners meetings. I mean, he hadn't bought a new shirt in some time, with all due respect.

They're not spending money on an indoor and all that thing. But, you know, back to your question, I think it can be. But I think this team is just young enough where, you know, everything that the coaches are saying, everything that they're preaching, you know, about, you know, blinders and earmuffs and don't listen to the hype because all that great shit that they're telling you right now and talking about you, it ain't true. And the other side of that, you know, if you're one in five or you're one in six and whatever, that ain't true either when they talk all that other stuff about you. But I think this is a phenomenal football team. Joe Burrell, like you guys know, and Jamar Chase and that defense.

I mean, it's exciting and it's fun to watch. And to go into Baltimore and do that to the Ravens on their home field, I never saw that coming. And I don't know anybody else who would have said, hey, look, I picked the Bengals. They were going to crush the Braves 41-17. This is going to be a beatdown. Maybe Mattress Dave or Mattress Mac or what is that?

Hey, Atlanta. Did he bet on Atlanta or Houston? Houston. Houston Astros. Yeah, but I thought he was from Houston, so he bets on the other team. No, the deal is if the Houston's, they run a special. If Houston wins the World Series, he gives away free mattresses. So he's got to make up for his lost mattresses if Houston wins by betting on them to win.

Oh. And then he gets better off, so he actually makes money off it. Is that called hedging? I believe it is. What do you know? Whoa. Whoa. You are too Italian to whoa, whoa, whoa.

You are too Italian to be saying that, sir. You are too Italian to be saying that. No, but the Cincinnati deal, that can be a scary thing. We talked about that before, about riding high and playing really, really good and then going into the lowly Jets. And you guys talked about Coach Bob, right? Sala? Let's show. Yeah, let's go.

They were on him this week, too. You listen to Stephen A and all these guys about, you know, this whole deal and, you know, a certain way we talked about it before. Show your passion. Show your juice. Show your energy. Show your – inspire those fucking kids to go play some damn football. Yeah, because Bob, whenever he was coming out of San Fran

and everybody wanted him, he was the high energy guy. Here we are. Now it's like he's a head coach. He has a different cap on. Now, granted, he doesn't have the team that he had in San Fran, and that's where we were all introduced to him. But it does seem like a corporate Bob. It almost feels like a corporate Bob.

And it's like, hey, I don't know. But talked to aaron rogers you know after they had joint practices and we asked him about zach and he said zach's gonna have to wait until that team gets a little bit better i think so that was like an indicator to me like oh aaron aaron just practiced against his team i was like this team is bad yeah that is kind of he didn't say that but kind of ipso facto but maybe a little juice maybe a little buy-in could turn that entire thing around especially this team is bad. He didn't say that, but kind of ipso facto. But maybe a little juice, maybe a little buy-in could turn that entire thing around, especially with the young team. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, hard to have juice when the Pats are beating you like a fucking drum. That's a lot. That's a lot of points. Yeah, a lot of points. That's a lot of points. 54? Wow. Hey, we've been on the other end of that a couple times. Yeah, I'm not going to say anything.

We've been on the other end of that a couple times. Yeah, I'm not going to say anything. Yeah, Chuck, the Lions went to the Rams, and the Lions basically did everything they could with the fake punts and onside kicks. Have you ever had to prepare for a team that you know is going to unload the chamber and legitimately try everything to win, or have you been on a team where you guys are going to do all those type of things, and how is that process throughout the week, preparing for it or preparing to do it?

Yeah, not to that magnitude, but certainly, yes, on both ends of that. You know, having, you know, Pat, you know, on our team, the surprise onside kicks, the stuff that he could do with that leg, and I don't know how many you got, Pat, but we always had those in our arsenal. We had bullets in the gun prepared. We always wanted to go into a game where something would show itself, the throws and things like that. We kind of put those on ice, but the onside kicks were unbelievable. No, the onside kicks and things like that, you know, when you play a team like Detroit, I think when you're the opposing team,

you always think, okay, because you can look at it two ways. Okay, he's being very, very aggressive. He's coaching his assholes. He's trying everything to give his team the best possible chance to win this football game, or you can look at it like these sumbitches are desperate as hell. All right. They're going to do anything in this football game to try to get an extra possession to win this football game. And, you know, they get it. They get up seven enough and they try the onside surprise onside. They get it. So you go into a deal saying, hey, they're you know, they're desperate. They're going to try anything and everything, anything and everything to try to win this game. So you prepare your team accordingly in all three phases to handle all that.

How about that PP sweep? It didn't even look like there was an edge anywhere near being set there on that. Whenever the Rams, the Lions were punting, their second fake punt or whatever. That PP direct snap, there wasn't even a thought or an edge. There wasn't even a person or an edge there wasn't even a person on the sideline i don't think and this is why i said like this this could go on coaching there's normally three to four people yelling from the sideline whether it was me vinnie tom mcmahon mo who's now at green bay if the situation you if the situation called for it

hey what eyes up here like hey watch the ball like hey let's you know like there was some sort of indication like hey let's remind these just like whenever uh kickoff return hey watch the ball being kicked so that there is no surprise onside kick like i feel like whenever i was very lucky to be a part of a team there was always some people screaming that and i was always like at first well obviously these professionals know but there's a lot of shit to think about on every single play who's my guy who am I blocking which way we run in how do I go to go set this block up so there's always like those reminders like hey watch it it felt like there was none of that for the Rams how do you how do you how do you not ever have somebody put an edge on any football play ever ever how do you not how do you not ever go force a punt

you know say you're playing you're doubling you know outside you know and you got a light box you got six in the box you still got to go force the punt you know because if everybody just holds up and turns and run you've seen the one where you just act like you're punting and you just run right behind everybody down the field because they're, you know, they're blocking their guy, but you always have somebody force a kick. You always have an edge on everything. And like you said, we're all screaming. I don't care if it's fourth and a million. Watch the face. God damn it. Get outside, do this. And then the ball snap, it's kicked.

You're just like, Oh, fuck. Thank you, Lord. Thank you. That's real, though. And that's why I was so impressed that the Lions got two fakes. It was like there was some after a surprise onside, one fake where Jack Fox threw an absolute dime, a seed to the gunner. And then after that third one, at some point you would think everybody would be like, hey, eyes up here.

This team seems to be doing whatever the hell they want to do. No, no. So to that point, Pat, you know, to that point you're thinking, okay, we've got a fake and a fake. Okay, there's no more. You're the special teams coach. Hey, don't worry about any more of that shit. There's no way they're going to try this again.

And then you're like, huh? They spent their entire special teams periods practicing all those things. The amount of time that had to be put in for that to happen, unbelievable. They had a plan. They executed it. They still didn't win, which has to be a record. Two fake punts successfully and a surprise onside kick. Still lost, but the other team didn't cover.

Son of a bitch. But go ahead, Ty. Coach, Joe Barry's not coaching the defense for the Packers on Thursday night because of COVID. Was there ever a situation when you were a D coordinator, would you prepare guys that, hey, you might have to call the plays if I'm not going to be there? And how much of an actual drop-off or difference do you think it is from the D coordinator giving all the calls to someone who has to fill in for him? Yeah, Ty, I don't think um i

think there's there there is a drop off because um there's a feel you know there's a rhythm to this stuff your voice being heard you know whether he calls it in over the coach to mike or not but it's a different voice a different way to call things a different mindset you can put the game plan together he's still involved in the Zoom calls. He's talking to the assistant coaches, this, that, and the other, but it's not his voice. It's not his gut. It's not his experience of doing that job. And, you know, sitting on, sitting, you know, as a position coach or sitting in the living room, you know, it seems a hell of a lot easier than it really is. So, yeah, there's a drop off, you know, I certainly think the coaches

that that's going to call it, you know, again, they're talking about the game plan, they're going through, you know, this, that and the other, you know, it's probably not a bad idea. If I was Joe, I wouldn't be sad going to Arizona, you know, to play that football team. If I'm going to miss one, if I'm going to miss, if I'm going to miss a game, this is the damn one I'm going to miss. Kyler, what do you call him, an alien, right? Yeah, he is in the alien. He's in the conversation. Oh, he's just in the conversation?

Well, I mean, last year he had glimpses of it. You know, like Lamar Jackson, alien. Because every time he – last year there was glimpses of it. Now this – I mean, I guess seven games in at this point we can – He is. Yeah, he is. That throw he made to A.J. Green. Off balance, foot spread, boom, 56 yards or something like that in a bucket.

A.J. Green catches it and just walks out of bounds. There was three people around him. It's like Kyler Murray is on a different planet. Yeah, so he is an alien. Yeah, Kyler Murray is a, congrats, Kyler. He is being officially dubbed an alien by our show. Is there, like, whenever you have a team,

for instance, the power rankings came out today, Chuck, and the Buffalo Bills were at one, then they were at two, they lose, they stay at three or whatever, four, they come out of a bye week. What do you think the message is from McDermott there for that team? Just, hey, we need to get back on track. They lose to the Titans, right?

And then they go into a bye week. And the Titans are a team that is not being talked about by anybody. I think they deserve a little bit more credit for the team they are. But coming out of a bye week with a team like the Bills, what do you expect that McDermott said? What do you think they work on? And how do you think they look going forward yeah i don't think sean had to say much to be honest with you i mean that's a that's a veteran coach he's been with that team a long time now um they know what to

expect you know from him and uh what he expects from from that football team um they still got yosh allen who i think is you know maybe you know top three maybe the top player in the national football league right now i mean that kid is phenomenal and they got a they got a great defense they had a they had a bad outing against king henry and the titans and and yeah the titans should be a little bit uh feel a little bit disrespected uh because buffalo's still in that top tier i think they're still in the top five in the power rankings. Usually you go out of it, but I think what they're looking at is, is, Hey, look, you know you know, they've been together long enough.

They looked at that film. They made, they made the corrections. They fixed what they need to fix. And it's easy fixes. It isn't, it isn't major. I mean, a guy, a guy just get off that block, you know, defending Henry, if he just tear off that block, you know, defending Henry, if he just tear off that block and make that tackle and get them on the ground, you know, eight yards is one thing. 72 is another and all those kinds of things. So it's not time to hit the panic button. Shoot.

They got beat in week one by the Steelers, right? Yeah. Right. And then everybody's like, Oh crap. But no, that's a damn good football team with a ton of great players and a great quarterback and a great coach in McDermott and Leslie Frazier and Dable. I mean, they got a freaking staff. They got everything.

That's a wagon up there. That is a wagon up there. Those Mafia, so I don't think to answer your question, he didn't have to say much. They just can't wait. I can't imagine going two weeks two weeks though having to buy out their loss like that that's hard that's hard and they're gonna be they're gonna be chomping at the bit to get back on the field i guarantee you that hey chuck what happens tomorrow night green bay travels out to play

the cardinals davante's out lazard is out does this somehow almost free the packers up because it's like all all right, hey, expectations aren't too high for us to win this one with these guys out and our D coordinator not on the sidelines. Absolutely. Absolutely. Again, you're going to play with house money. I mean, this seems like an easy one for the betters

and everybody that likes to do that stuff, to jump all over Arizona. It's a short week. You're out your signal caller on defense. You're out the offensive personnel that you're talking about, Lazard, and the best wide receiver in the game. But you still got Aaron. You still have a bunch of good players.

You got a defense that's flying around, opportunistic, making plays. Yeah, scary, scary. And I don't know what that does to Cliff Kingsbury and his Cardinal outfit. I think that group's flying high as well. But, you know, don't just think you're going to roll the ball out. You can just show up at the stadium and lace up your cleats, and this is going to be an easy one, not certainly with Aaron Rodgers,

the reigning MVP of the National Football League, coming to town. Yeah, he's pretty good at football. I mean, you said Josh Allen was better than him, and I guess that is something we'll have to talk about on future Coaches Up Chuck Wednesdays. But Aaron Rodgers is getting, for the people that like gambling, you know, which would be us, you know, Chuck, not you. If you're getting seven points with Aaron Rodgers,

that is going to be tough to say no. I guess Arizona could potentially buzzsaw, but Aaron with the points Thursday night is going to be amazing no matter who's missing, just like every single Coach Us Up Chuck Wednesday segment. We appreciate you live in Boulder. Tell the entire family, all the generations of Paizons, we said hello over there. Hey, I said maybe top three.

He's not better than Aaron, okay? Well, you ran it back. You did a little bit. A little bit. You did. You did a little bit. A little bit. I love you guys. Take care, man.

Hey, you too, ladies and gentlemen. Chuck, we're going. Yeah! Good luck! Thanks. The power is now. That's right. Boom.

The power is now. In joining us to be here right now, a man who is his own universe of destruction whenever he was on the football field. Hell yeah. A man who is an alchemist of pain whenever he would dive at other people's heads with his helmet. I don't know how to work Pat Tillman's story into this. He won glory. He did win glory.

But, yeah. Stolen valor. Yeah, I didn't want to do it. Ladies and gentlemen AJ Hawke and the Chuck Berry of course I was going to get the I thought I was going to get the entire book club potentially in there and I couldn't wait to get

to the Sun Tzu Art of War reference I was going to make about you but AJ thank you for joining us a guy called to ask a question to you like four minutes ago six minutes I guess it had to be more than about ten minutes ago it made the show I guess it had to be more than about ten minutes ago. It made the show worse, so I had to hang up on him. Hopefully, he'll call back.

I think it was something about your chin is what Mitt told me. So people are speculating about your chin, which is also fantastic. Speaking of chin, the NFL is taking it right on the chin right now. The NFL is getting beat down over how they've handled this Washington football team, Bruce Allen investigation. This is currently all taking place at the owner and league meetings.

And there has been two one-per-club meetings, our sources have told us, Ian Rappaport, last night and this morning, where Mark Davis is apparently on a much different page than Jerry Jones, who's speaking for the entire NFL whenever Jerry Jones says that he thinks the NFL handled this right and there doesn't need to be more emails released or anything like that. Mark Davis, AJ, I cannot wait for this to be your first reaction on this beautiful coach's upchuck.

Mark Davis looked like this and said this when he was asked how the NFL handled it and if they should release all of the 650,000 plus emails. Do you want to see it? Probably, yeah. I think that there should be. Especially with some of the things that were, I guess, charged. Yeah, I believe so. I think people believe that, especially in the future,

that we're, quote, victims. Okay, so Mark Davis obviously looks absurd. Okay. He has the freshest haircut in New York. His mustache also fantastic. Has a backpack over a starter bomber jacket. Backpack on while sitting on chair with back awkwardly he is obviously a hysterical man but he wants the emails released and i think

it's because his team was obviously greatly affected by this whenever it was learned of how the head coach would your thoughts on just the entire turmoil and mark davis as a human aj hawk well first off i love mark davis as a human just Hawk well first off I love Mark Davis as a human just everything about it the backpack while you're sitting down in this high back chair couldn't get more uncomfortable everybody's above you asking questions looking down that picture like doesn't

that give you a little anxiety thinking if you had to be that person with everyone looking down on you just asking all these questions that haircut gives me anxiety AJ I love that hair looks good, man. Yeah. Yeah, Mark Davis is obviously a classic character, and John Gruden resigned because of the emails that were made public

that showed him saying very, very terrible things that the NFL does not want to have being represented by a leader in the NFL in John Gruden. And there's also more from Mark Davis talking about how the NFL knew this for months, this information before the leak happened. And he wished he would have been given a little bit of a heads up as July,

July, they concluded their, their investigation, right? So they could have told them before the season. So Mark Davis, not happy about that. I assume it got a bit contentious,

but these owners meetings, it's crazy right now over there. And I don't know if the owners expected this to be like this or not congress is there there's protests from victims of the workplace environment that the washington football team had for decades there's every meet i mean it is i don't want to talk about this shit because it's like you know you kind of have to though are other people is this something that's being reported on by like is espn talking a lot about it is nfl network what are they doing yeah i, I'm not sure. NFL Network this morning had if.

Yeah, what player or coach would you want to see in blank costume? Yeah, it was a good question. Very relevant. Tom Brady and Jordan debate this morning. That's right. No, yeah. They did a lot of Lakers. Tom Brady and LeBron, sorry.

Yeah, which is a good conversation. I mean, I feel like you would have to do – I mean, the NFL Network does have their reporters there. So technically – And Judy Batista, Pellicero, and – But the owners, though, don't you feel like maybe the owners feel different? They feel like there's all this heat surrounding them. Like, oh, how are we going to handle this?

What are we going to do? From how I view this, I feel like the owners know, like, hey, we can do whatever we want. Like, we can't be forced to do anything. We're going to do whatever we want. This cycle is going to handle this? What are we going to do? From how I view this, I feel like the owners know, hey, we can do whatever we want. We can't be forced to do anything. We're going to do whatever we want. This cycle is going to turn over. They're going to stop talking about all of this here in three, four, five days, and then it's going to be forgotten about.

That's what I feel like the owners are doing. The owners have always, I think, not just the owners in the NFL, but a lot of people in high-ranking positions have always kind of like, the next wave will come. When the next wave comes, then ours will, just like a wave wave in the ocean will just kind of dissipate into the sand people will remember you know the seashells that are left there behind from it but it won't be something that'll be the prevalent prevalent conversation but this one feels like it's going to only continue to go remember and this is this is something that um you different. And there's probably been other examples that might be better.

But you remember the Barry Bonds stuff and the A-Rod stuff and the Clemens stuff and the baseball stuff? That just started as something that was just kind of like, oh, this is happening within our thing. And then it kind of got washed over. But then it came back and it ended up with them sitting down in front of Congress, right? Yeah. Was it Congress? It was Congress, yeah. They're sitting down in front of Congress, right? Yeah. Was it Congress? It was Congress, yeah. They're sitting down in front.

Henry Waxman. Boom. I don't know who that is, but yeah, they're sitting there and it was Henry Waxman, a part of Congress? Yeah, he was the one who lead the charge. He was the one who knew baseball. Yeah. Knew what was going on and wasn't happy about it. Right.

Okay, so that could potentially happen whenever you're talking about a 650,000 email investigation by the NFL where the NFL knows where there's very real consequences potentially on the other side of it. Like the chief marketing officer for the Washington football team for a long time came out and said that if those emails were released, what she thinks would be seen is serial sexual assault and serial sexual abuse allegations or something like that. And it's like, okay, that's why the government would potentially, because not only is it an investigation, so the government's probably pretty interested in investigations, right? That's what the fucking government does is investigations. They're pretty pumped about that. But also there's very real potential outcomes in the real world that they potentially want to look like, hey, we are standing up for this right which we know politics that is something that happens so this could become something that is very huge especially

with the protesting and uh there's one that's gonna do it if that's the and i know there isn't there a lawyer there that's representing like 40 people that are victims from all of this and and i don't know what all the victims are of, but isn't a lot of it like sexual assault, sexual abuse type harassment victims. Yeah. So those people and rightfully so they want everything out. They're going to make the most noise and get to drive enough traffic to where people I think just can't ignore it anymore. And they can't move on if they are going to force these things out.

It's incredibly loud right now. It's the only conversation other than the COVID in Deshaun Watson, which is another entire conversation allegedly he's getting traded only to miami carolina panthers no longer interested the dolphins uh miami herald reporter named uh jacob barry jackson jackson yeah nowhere near j with a b though barry jackson yeah bad brain though this was uh this was a trot vincent type situation there's a lot going on yeah barry jackson anyway he of the miami herald uh is reporting that the houston chronicle reported that the dolphins and texans have

agreed on a trade and basically it came out that it was you know three first rounders that have been agreed on and via the houston chronicle are being traded. And Stephen Ross only would like, only okay with this if he had clarity on the law situation, legal situation. But that isn't going to be settled by November 2nd. So what is Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reporting? Well, he's reporting that the Houston Chronicle is reporting something. And then John fucking McClain of the Houston Chronicle said, I never reported that. So who's cooking up bullshit here? It seems like everybody at this.

Everyone involved. Everyone involved has, I mean, there's just so much out there. I don't know what to believe. I have no idea. And could, I guess, could Miami go to Raj and be like, hey, I understand we haven't done, your investigation hasn't happened, but could you give us some kind of range

on how long Deshaun could possibly be out? Would they do that? Okay, so I was actually, we were talking about this before the show out there. What if Miami said, and I don't think this has happened before, so the NFL would have to make an exemption for this because this is 22 very serious allegations off the field. Like this is not, you know, that's a lot. And obviously without the

commissioner's exemption list in play which roger goodell said he is not privy to all the information to make a decision to put uh deshaun on the commissioner's exemption list he said he's not ready for it they don't have the information they're going to wait for other people's investigation and doesn't want to interfere or anything like that. It's an interesting way because if he makes a ruling and then something comes out afterwards, Roger Goodell is in a pretty bad spot. The NFL is in a pretty bad spot, which I thought was what the exemption list was for, though. Like, I thought it was like, hey, we don't know what's going to happen. You're kind of in limbo here.

So we're going to put you on the list. He said there's not enough information to put him on the list. But with 22 allegations and Stephen Ross saying he would like to get a little clarity on the legal situation and the NFL situation, is there a way that he potentially would like to, hey, let's agree to the trade before November 2nd, but it is voided. You know, like he won't join the team. We won't have him join our team until everything gets kind of clarified off the field. And if it ends up,

he can't play, it is voided. And that means it would have to have an expiration date before the next draft, I guess, because that's when the trade would be. Is that what he's potentially looking for? If any part of this is real from Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald,

if that is what Steven Ross is looking for, that shit ain't going to get figured out in five, six days. I mean, there's no way that it's figured out in six days. I mean, there's a lot going into it. I don't know how they'd work that out legally. I mean, if they want to, they could figure anything out, really. It's like if someone is being traded

and it's put as contingent on them passing their physical. It could be something like that. But this one could be, this could be what, six, eight months from now. We have no idea. What's the rush for the Dolphins here? It's not like they get Deshaun Watson, he plays, and they make the playoffs. They might think that. Wait.

They do not think that. There's no way. Do you think that? I mean, maybe. Do you think they think there's any chance he plays this year? Even further, what's the rush? Gumpy, can you come in here, please, Gumpy? I mean, it's hard to see Gumpy back in the back there.

We might as well get Gumpy out here anyways because Jet Passon's coming. You know what I mean? Jet Passon's coming back on the show. What happened? Last time Gumpy and Jet talked to each other on recorded, you know, on camera, Jet dunked on Gumpy. Oh, you're right. Yep, got it. He called him Grandpa or whatever.

Grandpa. Grandpa. Grandpa. Because he asked a boring old rule or something about an old rule and jet was like jesus this guy yeah what are you 90 years old he got dunked on we will get to that whenever jet joins us here in about 10 15 minutes or whatever gumpy real quick dolphins what is the purpose of getting deshaun in there in the next six days contingent upon everything being uh kind of handled and justice found off the field with

everything he's got going on there other than just to potentially continue to piss off tua and maybe make the team continue to be kind of driven apart what's going on down there in the dull fam that fins up community gump my only thought that makes sense is chris greer is trying to save his job this is his last ditch effort because he screwed up every fucking draft pick he's had to try and trade every draft pick we have left to get to Sean Watson. Chris Greer is the general manager of the Miami Dolphins. Now, he is also the one that drafted Tua, right? And Tua, if you look at the pro football focus grades and rankings,

he's top five in a few different stats. I don't know if it's wins. It isn't. But it is some other stats that prove that he can be maybe a good football player. Yeah. Maybe Tua becomes a great football player. We know nothing about him at this point. But why would Chris Greer, who's the general manager who drafted Tua,

want to move on from Tua just less than two years after drafting Tua. It makes no sense. And Steven Ross is an asshole. Okay. He is. I mean, he was asked a question yesterday. He could have just answered it like a normal human being. He said, I know what you're going to ask.

See you later. And just walked off. No, but I don't think he knew what the person was going to ask, right? Because it could have been Deshaun Tua. But also, he's an owner. I know what you're going to ask, right? Because it could have been Deshaun Tua, but also he's an owner. I mean, there's a lot of emails. So I know what you're going to ask. Well, I got a lot of questions.

You want A, B, or C? I mean, this could be a whole thing. But I don't fully comprehend why you would want to do this. And if they traded him, if Deshaun was traded to Miami for three first-rounders and it was contingent upon whatever happens off the field, so it's kind of in limbo, purgatory, glooming. If everything gets handled, he'll be in Miami.

What does that do for Tua while he's just sitting there? There's no good outcome, I don't think. And maybe this is just all bullshit because we're six days away or five days away from the trade deadline. But now it's coming from Miami and from Houston. What do they know that Ian doesn't know where Ian's like, I don't think this is imminent or whatever. And Tua has legitimately played eight games.

So what in those eight games has told you anything different from the tape that you've watched on why you drafted him? So you're furious about this even being a conversation still. I mean, I'm loyal as a dog. I'm stuck with this fucking team forever. That's who I, a lot of people. I don't think you have to be. What about Tua? That's who I am. You're stuck with Tua? I mean, that'm loyal as a dog. I'm stuck with this fucking team forever. That's who a lot of people. I don't think you have to be. I'm stuck with Tua.

I mean, that's who I am. Yeah, what if Tua leaves? Will you go follow Tua? No. No. You're stuck with the team. Yeah, that's why I'm so pissed off. You know, the team could become the next Tampa, right?

I mean, that potentially. AJ, I don't know if he has any ear things in, so I apologize. I'll relay your question because he did ask about Tua. He was the one that asked about Tua. I'll relay your question because he did ask about Tua. He was the one that asked about Tua. But why do you feel such a strong allegiance to this team that seems to be just dancing on your grundle every chance they get in your happiness?

Born and raised. That's all I know. Dolphins football, as bad as it is. Here we are. Who's that come from? Is that from his dad or family? Who's that come from, AJ said? My's that come from aj son my dad my old man larry zonka then i was marina growing up so we had some good times i don't think his dad is

larry zonka thank you we appreciate you got a boy got larry zonka uh host of co-host of american gladiators back in the day that's right right. He's a weapon. American Gladiators allegedly making a return. There's not a lot of network stuff I would like to be a part of. I would like to host that show. I feel like that is a show that I should potentially be a part of. I'd like to shoot the tennis ball gun at the contestant. Oh, yeah. You should definitely be Malibu or something up there.

230 pounds of twisted steel in sex appeal. Say hello to the infinite chin, A.J. Hawk. That would be awesome. No, I mean, I need a spray tan and about 40 pounds of muscle from some juice. Yeah, but there is. Okay, you can do whatever you want for our show. If I'm running American Gladiators. It could be an American Gladiator, I would imagine,

especially at the advanced age that I am. Those guys are young. Well, we don't know what they could be. They could be anything, by the way. It could be you. You could be the American Gladiator. We could shape a game around your strengths. Maybe it's just, hey, you have to run your head into an American Gladiator

with a helmet on ten times. And if you can walk out of the arena, you get a point. Way to go. That'll be the infinite chin. One point. That'll be one point. There we go. One point. And you would have to. There we go. One point.

And you would have to do that against, I guess, two American. TurboBall was fucking A.J. Hawk's game. They had the little baskets moving around. Just one-on-one. He'd just be fucking chewing guys up and spitting them out. American Gladiators is such a good fucking show. I don't know how it's taken this long to come back. But if it does happen, I would like at least a shot to potentially host that thing.

I feel like, AJ, I think you should definitely be a fucking gladiator, too. I mean, what is it going to be? It's going to be you, The Rock, that guy. Bobby Carpenter. General Bob. Yeah. Jeez. Jay Glazer.

Hey, happy birthday, Brady Quinn. Maybe Brady Quinn. Oh, Brady. Yeah, Brady would be good. Darius Butler is probably going to be in the ball game, if I had to guess. Turbo ball? Yeah, the turbo ball game. Guy Fieri?

Yes. I don't know if Gladiator guys. Dana White? Fieri on the joust? Yeah. That would be. Against Mario Batali. That would be a good one.

Easy. Why are you guys trying to ruin the game? What are you talking about? Chef versus chef. That's not allowed to happen? Chef versus chef can happen. All right. Easy. Why are you guys trying to ruin the game? What are you talking about? Chef versus chef. That's not allowed to happen? Chef versus chef can happen. All right. I'm just talking about American gladiators.

Where one person is trying to beat these Goliaths, these superheroes, these super humans, and become champions so they can bring not only cash back to the house, but a lot of legacy and folklore stories. Hell yeah. Malibu is by far the OG of that whole thing. There was one time where I wanted to set up the, uh, the, the gat, the tennis ball Gatling gun up here in the office and set up an entire thing. Cause we kind of have it built. We kind of have that thing ready.

And it turns out it's harder to get that tennis ball Gatling gun than you could imagine. It was not that easy. Just to get that thing to show up next day, whenever you need it, which is kind of bullshit. Actually, that's the only one I've ever seen. Have you ever seen anyone else shoot something like that? than you could imagine. It was not that easy just to get that thing to show up next day whenever you need it, which is kind of bullshit, actually. That's the only one I've ever seen. Have you ever seen anyone else

shoot something like that? I mean, that's like air load. You got compressed air shooting it. It's pretty amazing. Remember, it was bolt action, too. They had to load that thing.

Sometimes it would get jammed. You know, the good guys would jam it. It was a modified potato gun. Have you seen some of those pumpkin guns? Oh, yeah. They shoot pumpkins or cannons, I guess. Or cannons, I guess.

What? People are launching cannons. Holy shit. Especially in this Halloween season. Yeah, I haven't seen as many pumpkins getting cannoned as of late. There's a shortage. There's a shortage on what? Cannons or pumpkins?

Probably both. Probably both. Oh, no. It's because all those robot dogs are taking all the fucking cannons. That's right. Let's bounce around the NFL a little bit. Alan Lazard, he is out for tomorrow night's matchup

against the Cardinals. A.J. Huck. He is the third member of the Green Bay Packers organization to end up on Uncle COVID's naughty list. He's a close contact to Devontae. He is not vaccinated. This is news coming from Ian Rappaport. So he's out.

So not only is uncle COVID still happening, close contacts to uncle COVID is still happening. Haven't heard this in some time. This might only continue to grow as the season goes. It looks like the green Bay Packers are the first victim of this thing. And I assume the Packers are getting tested today and tomorrow because they are in the elevated protocol. So unfortunately this might not be the last person that gets put on the list but at least when it comes to close contacts to be to be sat down for close contacts it has to be

that you're unvaccinated so we know more players are vaccinated than unvaccinated so there's probably no more close contacts coming out i'm guessing well that was the big question that i had because we never hear the updated numbers. I remember going into the season, it was like, this team's at 89%. This team's at 96%. Whoa, ding, ding, ding. This team is at 100% vaccination rate. It's like, all right, well, is everybody they're going to bring in then

obviously going to be there as well? Have we got an updated stat on vaccination rates? We do, says Tony. Yesterday, Dr. Alan Sills was speaking, I believe, at the owner's. there as well have we got an updated stat on vaccination rates yes do says yesterday dr alan sills was speaking i believe at the owner hey by the way alan sills doc dr alan sills the nfl's doctor he and fouch have been american gladiators jousting uh for some time oh yeah for some time dr alan sills has been the authority on the medical conversation for the nfl for some time lied about it, too.

Like, we've actually done our own research, Fash. Thanks. We are going to have our fucking games. Fascinating situation. Now he's coming out with the vaccination numbers? He said 94.1% of NFL players are vaccinated. He said that yesterday. What is it?

1,200? There's like 1,300, 1,400 people in the NFL? I forget if you do the math. And I remember that number being presented to me the first time I made a team. I'm like, congratulations. This is how many people are in the NFL. This is how many people tried to be in the NFL. This is how many people started when you started.

It was like one of those graphs or whatever that was very cool. So that's still 6%, right? 5.9%, I guess. That's still probably a pretty good number, right? Still a pretty good number. That's a couple hundred. Oh, you still probably a pretty good number, right? Still a pretty good number. That's a couple hundred. Oh, you're saying some teams are 100, right? Yeah, maybe.

And then some teams are still low. Like the Colts, they were allegedly low on the vaccination rate, and then now we're still seeing – like if a player has a mask on the sideline, that is a direct indicator. Not vaccinated. But in Baltimore, it seems like everybody who does press conference has to wear it whenever they're inside. Didn't we talk about that? Isn't that like a city indicator. Not vaccinated. But in Baltimore, it seems like everybody who does press conference has to wear it whenever they're inside. Didn't we talk about that?

Isn't that like a city ordinance type deal, like the city's making them do that? And is there any cities that are making players wear the masks on a sideline that are vaccinated or that are not vaccinated because then that maybe goes into who's got it, who doesn't got it. He also said yesterday that there is zero evidence of transmission during outdoor games. Outdoor.

Wow. Okay. What about dome? What about domes? I'd have to ask Dr. Adams. Still crunching the numbers on that? Well, they count the Colts as, you know, because Colts is an open stadium, whatever Jim wants it to be.

Didn't the Packers just play in an open stadium, and then two of their – or at least one of their players were their coaches? Yeah, they're saying they probably got it off the field. Okay. Right? That's probably what they're saying they got it as? I mean, I would assume, yeah, potentially. What happens with the holiday season coming up? You know, holiday season coming up, there's going to be a lot of potential. Can't do it. Aren't we

waiting to see if we're allowed? Well, that's Christmas. Fouch said maybe no Christmas. I don't know if everybody's good or not. You know, they got an idea. If we can have Christmas, which is awesome, but I'm talking about players in the NFL. I'm not talking about everybody on earth. I'm talking about players potentially going home, seeing family, chit-chatting with people.

There's a chance this is going to happen, and people are still going to have to miss games for this. I wonder if players are acting like they had to act last year because the world is much different than it was last year. This year, everything is open basically at this point, and people aren't being tested to go in there. Now, granted, there is, when I was out in California, there's signs that say on the front door, FDA has recommended or mandatory if you're not vaccinated to wear a mask. If you're fully vaccinated, you don't have to wear a mask. And I would open the

door into the store and everybody in there was masked. I was like, oh, everybody in here hates vaccinations, I guess, or are they just putting the mask on top of that? So I think there is like a give and take for who's comfortable where. But the players have to act as if it's the same as it was last year, right? Because I got vaccinated and I got COVID. I wouldn't have been able to produce a negative test for 11 days. That could have been two, three games almost. It's a wild, hey, this is wild that uncle covet is still knocking people out of the nfl oh it absolutely is and i think we've talked about it over the months and like months and months ago when you guys announced 35 different times

that everybody beat covet well it's over calm you guys you know you did that but i feel like the majority of players are vaccinated in the nfl and i feel like the majority of them are going about their daily lives like they normally would during a normal regular season this they're not acting as much like they were last year where you legit like weren't seeing anybody okay so let's keep an eye on that because Devante Lazard Joe Barry Thursday night in the biggest game the NFL has had this season between two teams that are definitely going to be dancing later in the playoffs maybe even see each other very late in the NFC championship are out a couple big-time stars we gotta keep an eye on it we interrupt this conversation to let you know that

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Okay, we need to stay away from that whole thing. But what I say that a guy has brought us so much information that we did not know. When I say a man has made a sport that is not interesting, interesting to us for some time, I say that that man is one man. And ladies and gentlemen, it is time for the Jet to take off. Jeff Passan. Yeah, Jeff! Let's go! Blew out your speaker jet all right listen the jet took off a little bit too hot you're standing right next to the engine there i think maybe

the airpods can't handle the excitement that we all have that you're back on the show jet the world series is happening i knew that started yesterday obviously when i was told about it live on air. 6-2 dominant win for the Braves. Here we go. Chipper Jones is standing in the stands. The Houston Astros give up one at home. It looked like a dominant win for the Braves. Are we looking at a four-game sweep right here for the Braves? Jet passing?

5'9", 170 pounds. Number two, dressed up for the occasion because this show is special. Number three, lettuce looks good today. Does it not, Patrick? Yeah, your hair does look incredible. Looks pretty good right now. It's got a good flow, too. Is that hairspray? No, no hairspray.

It's all natural, baby. I got that soul glow. Come on. Good for you, dude. Not me. I got hairspray in my hair. You look unbelievable. World Series, though. You have to show up. All of us on baseball right now. 100%. And here's the thing. I've been getting requests

truly, Pat, on the streets. When are you going on McAfee? When are you going on McAfee? Go back on McAfee. All the time. The people asked for this, Patrick. And you made it happen with the text this morning, and I appreciate that. So, if we're going to talk about baseball... Welcome back, Jack!

There we go. It's great to have you. Can you go back to that other shot? I want to see Connor's hair. Looks good, dude. What the hell is going on with you? What are you, a gadget? No, is that like a reaction to the Sox losing?

I mean, Jed. Hey, Jed, how about the Sox having an over-under, what, 75 wins, and we make it all the way to the ALCS? I am very happy with where the Sox are, pal. Jeez. You know, for the first time a few days ago, I don't know, I was in like a Reddit, you you get stuck there. And I saw the video that you made to essentially get this job. Bare-chested, heater-ripping Connor.

That's awesome. Is he in Reddit? Connor, Connor, who's Liz? Oh, just a neighbor. Just an old neighbor. Yeah, way back in the day. Hey, it is. that is a deep pool. Okay, I didn't know that was all right. Holy shit.

That video saved a day for us. We were going through so many videos of people that potentially wanted to join us, and we're very thankful, and obviously this is when we were at Barstool and we made a call for interns. Ty came through, Zito, Foxy, and Connor, the video of Connor. It rolled on my TV at my house. We went through like 100 of them. The boys all kind of went down 50 each.

We went through 100 videos. And when Connor's came on, he's wearing Timbo's khakis, shirtless. It's snowing, smoking a cigarette, Patty. That's what he says. That's how he went off. And I was like, ah, this guy. Love this guy. I'm happy you saw that.

But his hair looks majestic, Jet. Just because your soul glow little comb over can't ever look as good as that. We don't need you taking swings here early, Jet. All right? This is baseball celebration day. You know? You're right. It can't look as good.

It just looks better. Sorry. All right. Jeez Louise. Listen. I'm just talking reality here. Let's talk. You want to talk baseball? Hold on. On this show, do you you want to talk baseball? hold on on this show do you actually want to talk baseball?

or do you want to talk shit? that's what this show is about this is a sports show this is a sports show I didn't even know the fucking World Series was happening yesterday I had no idea but I did see on the internet that the braves and astros were

still around so that is really the only way i knew it and i turned on a game at 9 54 p.m last night it was the third inning okay so i don't know what you guys are doing i have no idea how you're i don't either that was i mean that is a late late late finish it's a pro it's a problem like it's a real problem now when the biggest games of the year start at 8 o'clock p.m. when you've been bleeding audience through the years on the day when the commissioner says, quite literally, Rob Manfred said yesterday, we don't consider ourselves a national sport. We look at ourselves as essentially 30 different markets. And you have games ending at midnight.

Like, midnight! On a weeknight! I got texts from friends this morning saying, I fell asleep in the fifth inning last night. And the games are too slow. They start too late. And here's the thing. There are really good teams and really good players involved in this. There are great storylines. Charlie Morton pitched on a broken leg last night. It was bad as hell, Pat. Like, it was some football, hockey stuff coming to baseball right there. Like, a guy got hit with a comebacker at 102 miles per hour, went out, struck a dude out, got another guy out, took the inning off, came back out and struck Jose Altuve out.

16 pitches and had a broken damn leg. Let's go! Yes. I mean, it was really impressive. And people aren't watching because the games take too long. Like, simple as that. And I know there are baseball fans out there that say, okay, if you love the game, then you're going to watch the whole time.

You're going to appreciate it. I love baseball. Four-plus-hour games stink. Sorry. That's just the reality. They stink. I agree. I've been preaching this a long time.

Go ahead, AJ. So, Jet, I assume if Houston's able to close this thing out and win the World Series, all is forgiven, right? Everyone's going to be okay with the cheating scandal and all that, and they say, okay, they're legit? I don't know. I mean, I hope so because people in Houston hate me. Like, Pat, I need security detail going around this.

I need you to come down with a bat and the tank top. No. Come on. No, I'm probably associated with you if I had to guess. I didn't know that would get you off the show because I like that city of Houston. I didn't know that I was bringing on an enemy of Houston because I thought people use the video of you on this show. Exactly. That's exactly right.

Like, they do that to stand up for Jose Altuve all the time. It's like Passam went on McAfee and said he wasn't wearing buzzers. And it's like I didn't do that to get back in their good graces. It's just that they're perpetually angry and it's okay because their sports team has been attacked as much as any team and like outside of the patriots maybe like is there another team that's looked at by a vast majority of fans in a particular sport as villains the same way that the Astros are wasn't it wasn't it being questioned this year too that their strikeout rates or their hit rate was much better at home than it wasn't that getting that's going to get called into question every single year I assume

whenever the Houston Astros are good yeah of course it's going to I mean there's there is nothing to it like I mean genuinely nothing to it at this point i i don't listen cheating's not out of baseball because cheating is such a fundamental part of baseball that they're always going to come up with new ways to do it like that's just it's kind of the charm in an odd way of the sport but the idea that there's some sort of sign stealing system in place that's being advantaged for the Houston Astros in particular, nah. I mean, at this point, if there's cheating going on, it's on a completely different level and in a completely different fashion.

And we saw that earlier this year with the sticky stuff. Yeah, that's what I was about to say. Is that back or no? Is that gone? Are they still checking pitchers? Oh, yeah. Still checking pitchers in between every inning. I mean, it's there with some guys just like performance enhancing drugs are there with some guys just like there are some guys who are always going to try and game the system

in some way because baseball for the longest time has encouraged that and that's like the most frustrating part to me of what the astros did, in the moment when it happened, it was wrong and it was bad. We can all acknowledge cheating in that way to a felonious level like they did is bad for the sport and it's bad for you. But ultimately, the fallout to me is that here we are four years after it happened, two years after it was reported, and we're still talking about it. We're still paranoid about it. It still has infested the sport to the point where somebody who's a casual fan who doesn't watch much baseball, that's the first thing you think about. That's the first thing you ask about. It's the first thing you want to know about.

And it's because of what the Astros and, yes, the Yankees with their Apple Watches and the Boston Red Sox with their – were you just playing baseball, by the way? No, I had to put the bat down. I got my eye on you, Mac. I was going to join in. I was going to throw you a goddamn pitch right there. Big curveball. I want to let you know, I put the bat down because it looked like A.J.

was starting to step on the mound. Yeah, I stepped out of the batter's box. But it is fascinating that it is the negative stuff that always gets chatted about in baseball. That is kind of how it's always been. The cheating scandal with the PEDs and whatever else was happening during the home run, the most electrifying era that goes all the way to Congress. And then this is going to be something that's going to be talked about just like the Black Sox thing is always going to be talked about. It's like baseball is riddled with negative stories forever. Feels like this Braves thing would

be a good story though, right? If the Braves were to win, this would be good. This is one of the original teams that everybody was a fan of because they're on TBS. That's exactly right. Even though Manfred, right, didn't think of it as a national league. What a fucking idiot you guys got over there. I mean, just an absolute piece of metal idiot over there. And you can't say it. I'll say it.

The opinions of Jet do not necessarily reflect that of mine that says Manfred should not be in a position to be speaking for a billion-dollar league. I think we've proven that time and time again. But this Brave story seems to be good, right? They're back in prominence. This is good for all of baseball, right? It is, and it's shocking because Ronald Acuna Jr. is one of the five best players in baseball. Tore his ACL right before the All-Star break break trying to make a catch on the warning track and just landed wrong and at that point Atlanta was just sort of stuck in neutral you know they're

supposed to be good coming into this year and they were playing 500 baseball for first 90 games of the season and it's like okay are they gonna sell no they didn't sell they went out and traded for Jock Peterson have you seen Jock Peterson by the you seen Jock Peterson, by the way, Pat? Young Jock cuz. Love that dude. Have you seen what he's wearing? Yeah, of course. Fucking love him, dude. He's got the pit vipers on.

Can you get an actual pearl necklace and wear it? Oh, I didn't know that. Is that what he's wearing? I thought it was a big pearl necklace. Wearing a pearl necklace. Yeah, I don't know if I'm wearing pearl necklaces. Yeah, I didn't know. All right, go on, please. Oh, you like't know if I'm wearing a pearl necklace. Yeah, I didn't know. All right, go on, please.

Oh, you like wearing pearl necklaces. That was unbelievable. Hey, pearls are very nice. Pearls are cool. Pearls are very nice. I like pearls. Pearls are great. Pearl necklaces are awesome, all right?

I don't know if it's my thing. I'm happy young Jock's got it. Good for him, dude. I love that guy. Jock Peterson, good baseball player. So Jock Peterson goes there, and then they make a trade for three more outfielders. They completely remade their outfield on the fly and said, you know what?

Baseball's this sport where you don't need to be the best team to go and win a World Series. And Atlanta came into the postseason with only 88 wins, the fewest of any team in the postseason. But 44 of those wins came in their last 66 games. They finished strong. They look great. And now they got home field advantage. And they're going to be heading back home with a chance to clinch the World Series at their new ballpark.

It's going to be insane down in Atlanta, I assume, if they're able to win. And I think the thing you just said kind of reiterates my point that baseball kind of stinks. You said the best team doesn't win or whatever. I mean, that is very fascinating. No, no, no, no, but isn't that like part of the beauty of it? You don't go into the postseason knowing who's going to advance to the championship. You don't think that, I mean,

think about it, a 106-win Dodger team that an 88-win Atlanta team beat, right? Like, that's an incredible victory right there, and you don't look's an incredible victory right there. And you don't look at the World Series right now and say, just because the Dodgers aren't in it, it's fundamentally, demonstrably worse. I look at it like, damn, an underdog could win the championship this year.

That's kind of rad. Like, it's not going into the postseason with the NFL where if you got a team that's 14-2 or 13-3 or 15-1, aren't they going to be the favorite? Isn't it going to be surprising if they lose? AJ won a Super Bowl as a six seed. Yeah, come on. We have underdogs all the time in our sport. That's why our sport is the best.

Your sport stinks because you just said the entire season doesn't matter because anybody can win at any time. Nothing matters. 162 games or whatever, none of it matters. That's what you just said, basically, right? Why don't we just have the World Series the first week of baseball? Is that an argument? Yes.

Really? None of it matters? Does it matter? You just said 88-win team just beating a 106-win team. I was like, well, who gives a fuck about any of the wins? Is time real? Yeah, is time even real? Is it just who gets hot at the right time?

Who gets cold at the right time? And how come the Pirates always stink? Because I heard there was like three Pirates in the World Series right now, maybe potentially doing well. Why is it just some teams can get hot? Like this Houston team. They're just littered with guys that get hot at the right time, or their team is deep.

They have a deep bullpen. Does Atlanta have a couple good pitchers that that has carried them out? How and why is the underdog happening? Why does the regular season have to be 162 games, you think? First off, the Pirates stink because you don't own them. They would stink more. I don't know baseball. I just said, let's have the World Series opening week.

I don't know if I'm the right guy. I don't know if I'm the right guy. I don't know if I'm the right guy. But the owner does stink. yeah, you're right. The baseball season is a test of stamina. It's a test of wills, but it's just in the end, a lottery ticket, right? It just gets you into this post-season where you got five games and sometimes the best team isn't going to win a five-game series. And I think that's the difference between baseball and football. If you were to play 100 games with a 14-2 team against the Jaguars

or whoever it is, how many times is that 14-2 team going to win? 99? Trevor Lawrence might get hot and urban meyer too i mean depends on how many chop house visits we got in between there good point i mean maybe maybe 10 wins eight wins he'll he'll slip by uh the the 14 and 2 team yeah in baseball if you have a 100 win team and a 60 win team the 60 win team is going to beat him probably 35 times and so to me it makes it a a very and i'm sorry i'm going to use this word that people are going to need to look up in the dictionary here it's a very egalitarian sport it's a sport that exactly yeah listen you invited me on you know what you're getting here pat this is not my fault this is

entirely yeah yeah i i love it, though. I might use it on Friday night and act like it's my own. Galitarian is like parody? Yeah, egalitarian is just something that's even and fair for all. And like when Rafe Boogs comes out and he's ripping the guitar. I'm sorry, Rick Boogs comes out and he's ripping the guitar. Boogs. Fixed it. I didn't. Rick Boogs comes out and he's ripping the guitar. Boogs. Fixed it. I didn't even know who you were talking about. I didn't even know who you were

talking about with how bad you pronounced that. I did. No, there's someone on Twitter who's a basketball writer. I screwed that one up bad. Anyway, let's stop talking about wrestling. Let's get back on baseball. Yeah, baseball has its time to shine here in the World Series. Joe Buck's calling games.

It's October. Things are happening. We have Jet Passenger. Jet, you're always very good on the show. You are good for baseball. I am a very open speaker about how I have no idea how anybody can watch baseball. I have no clue how anybody can do it. I am incredibly proud of those who can.

The stamina of the players over the 162-game season is also matched equally by the stamina of the fans who are able to watch those entire games. I have too much ADD, need too much action. I played soccer growing up, couldn't even watch soccer either. So, I mean, it's just how I am, but every time you come on, I learn about what's going on. I appreciate it.

Go ahead, Ty. Jed, I saw a tweet that basically said it's possible that there would be a potential work stoppage around the time of the winter meetings. Was that just some guy talking out of his ass? And if it is, how will that affect the Yankees offering Carlos Correa $400 million? Okay, so yes, there is very likely going to be a work stoppage. Now, we have to understand, though. For about 100 games? No, not all work stoppage now whoa we have yeah we have to understand though for about 100 games

no not all work stoppages are the same this is one because the collective bargaining agreement expires december 1st it's not really going to have any effect for about two months now that gives the union and the league a two-month window to negotiate some kind of a deal that's before spring training happens and so free agency can start because everything and i mean everything if there's a lockout which is what it would be everything's going to freeze now you know what baseball free agency is typically like it sucks it takes four months it gets dragged out it's nothing like the nfl or the nba which has this incredible period of action and excitement and you you got dude signing right and left.

And it's great. We may actually get that in baseball this year. So it's going to be interesting. As for the Yankees side, you want Correa or Seager? Which one? I'd rather have Correa. And we'd also have Aaron Boone out the door. Wow, that ain't going to happen. I mean, yeah, if it came down to it, yeah we'd also have Aaron Boone out the door. Wow, that ain't going to happen.

I mean, yeah, if it came down to it, yeah, beheading Aaron Boone. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. From a figurative standpoint. Yeah, yeah, obviously. Or if you want to throw him in the East River, that works too. Figuratively, of course. Probably a good swimmer.

Jeez. Probably. I don't know. He's a man. I don't know if Aaron Boone's good swimmer. He's a man too. It's unbelievable Jet Jet

Yeah Baseball stinks dude I mean it is I was literally trying I was trying to Do another thing If they have a work stoppage A lockout just from being

a part of one a lockout from the owners were telling us we couldn't come to work the owners were not paying us the owners were the ones that weren't happy with whatever's going on the owners were locking us out but it was perceived as a strike by the fans and the fans hated the players even though the players are much more relatable to the fans because the players are mostly all fans for some team at some point as opposed to the billionaire owners and it only the pr was very much against the players if the mmo pat pat pat doesn't doesn't that mean that we need to like actually talk about what's going on here to educate the fans, to make the fans understand that in this ideological war between the players and the owners,

if you're rooting for the owners, you're rooting for laundry. If you're rooting for the players, you're rooting for people. And in the end. That was deep. Laundry. What is the laundry? The uniform. Yeah, Brian.

Oh, that was fucking deep. You're talking about the uniform? I thought you were talking about money being cleaned. Laundering. Oh, no. That would have been even better, actually. No, I'm not accusing anyone of money laundering on your show, Pat. I'm sorry.

You can't do that. You work at ESPN. It's true. If we do that, we do that. It'd be like, yeah, those idiots over there. Yeah, those idiots over there potentially did that. But yeah, when the lockout happened for the players, I remember a lot of people turning on it.

And hockey, the hockey had a lockout in the works. It devastated the league for years and years when it came to the fans who thought that both the players and the team turned their back on their loyalty, especially to a sport like baseball that is so miserable and hard to watch. The fans are like, all these years, I've wasted six, seven hours a day watching these games never end, and now you're going to stop because you guys can't figure out a money thing? That is, I don't want to say baseball has already been punched i think a couple times but that would

be very tough hopefully they're able to get that done and it seems like rob manfred's a guy that can really navigate those waters in a very good fashion i assume well we have one last question for you jet here before we have to get to a break uh go ahead gumpy good to see you again my goodness the beard is looking very dyed these days oh my god that's not real jet you know that um i saw that you said uh bunts didn't work and then a bunt kind of helped the team win the game yeah are you gonna change your mind on shitty averages and homers win baseball games or yeah i'd like to congratulate you uh on uh essentially getting a hot chick for like one time in your life and thinking it's some sort of like trend here just because something happens once does not mean that it's good. Teams that have out

homered other teams in the playoffs are winning this year at a 900 something percentage. That's 9 out of every 10. If you're telling me teams that go and bunt 9 out of every 10 times successfully are going to win, you're wrong. It's actually just all a part of the game.

It's all a part of the game. Jett. It's all a part of the game. You can do both. It's a part of your garbage-ass old game. And deflated. That game that you're a part of, Jett. Not a boy. Hopefully you can get a tailor for your pants, Jett.

Get a tailor for your pants, Jeff. Get a tailor for your pants. This is getting ugly. We need you to put your swords down. Where do you find those wide leg pants? Anyways. You've got to have room for a reason when you're packing. Oh! You're going to put... You've got to have room for a reason when you're packing. Oh! I'm getting so fired on here going to go.

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