The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 528 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 8 Recap, Mike Greenberg, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 1, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ, and the boys overreact to everything from a wild week 8 of the NFL season that saw backup Quarterbacks shine, if the Steelers are all the way back after beating the Browns in Cleveland, the Patriots beating the Chargers on the road and raising questions if there are issues with the Chargers, the Lions getting their doors blown off at home to the Eagles, how the Saints have had Tom Brady's number over the last two years, as they got a big win while losing Jameis Winston for the rest of the season, and everything else that happened around the league. Joining the show is a 2x Hall of Famer, an ESPN legend, host of Get Up!, "Greeny,"  NBA Countdown, friend of the program, Mike Greenberg. Pat, Greeny, and AJ chat about his Jets fandom and if he's in a weird spot now that Mike White could be spearheading a QB competition in New York with Zach Wilson, what it's like being a Jets fan, his thoughts on Carson Wentz, what he thinks the Giants are going to do, what working with Dan Orlovsky is like, and much more (46:38-1:19:41). Later, 9 year NFL veteran at DB, friend of the program, host of the Man-To-Man Podcast, Everything DB, Darius Butler joins Pat and AJ to give all his overreactions from week 8 of the NFL season including his thoughts on Urban Meyer and Jacksonville, the Lions, what it's like playing in the Patriots system defensively, who he thinks the best team in the NFC is, his thoughts on Tennessee now that it looks like Derrick Henry is likely out for the season, and more (1:45:51-2:04:39). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Overreaction Monday, November 1st, 2021 years into this existence here. Big time Overreaction Monday. I mean, I got killed by FanDuel this weekend. We chat about the Super Boost loss, obviously, but a lot of amazing things happened and a lot of overreactions occurred. Mike Greenberg joins us from Get Up, Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, all the boys crushing. Let's get right into it. Week 8 is one game away from being over with tonight's Monday Night Football game between the Chiefs and the Giants, obviously, concluding what will have been an insane Week 8 of NFL football.

Backups became alphas. Big-ass wins were had in the division division and crippling losses were experienced by fan bases all around the NFL. Insanity took place. Some teams made way to become actual contenders. And some teams grabbed their shovels out of the old shed and dug themselves into a hole that is going to be tough to come out of and potentially name themselves as pretenders in the NFL 2021 season. Can't wait to chat about it for the next three hours. We have Darius Butler joining us.

We have Mike Greenberg. Greeny. ESPN host of Greeny. Is that still Greeny? And also host of Get Up. Ay. Whoa. ESPN. Host of Greeny. Is that still? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Greeny. And also host of Get Up.

A very nice man. I would like to consider him a potential friend in this entire. Can't wait to chat with him because on Get Up, a lot of things were said this morning. News was broke on there that Derrick Henry of the Tennessee Titans probably out for the season. Adam Schefter broke the news. Jay Glazer broke the news. Ian R Adam Schefter broke the news. Jay Glazer broke the news. Ian Rappaport broke the news. What we're hearing is a fifth metatarsal break on the foot,

and that one's damning. They're saying and predicting he'll be out for either the rest of the regular season with a possibility of coming back for the playoffs if they make it, or he's out just for the rest of the season regardless. They'll find out after surgery. It's a real shame that this happened to the Tennessee Titans. This guy counts for like 79% of their offense

or something like that. He gets the ball. It's King Henry time. Yesterday, they just so happened to get their second win of this season against the Indianapolis Colts, which might be dead, and there's a lot to talk about in that entire thing.

But Derrick Henry out, and maybe Adrian Peterson in. Wow. Hey, you need a 36-year-old workhorse. You need a guy that was Derrick Henry before Derrick Henry. You need a guy that rushed for 2,000 yards or something like that in the quickest recovery of an ACL of all time. You need a guy just a couple years ago was the workhorse for the Detroit Lions, but the Detroit Lions are the Detroit Lions.

They were maybe the most Detroit Lions Detroit Lions have ever seen yesterday. This guy can still go. This guy still has it with that offensive line, that offensive scheme. They're going to have to continue to have a workhorse back somewhere. Maybe they'll have it running back by committee. Whatever the case, all eyes are on Tennessee. I think Ryan Tannehill would love to have like 2011, maybe 2012 Adrian Peterson. But after talking to Adrian Peterson, watching his workouts,

it seems like he's not that far away from what he once was. Maybe he falls into a situation in Tennessee where he's back better than ever, or maybe the Tennessee Titans will make a trade. There's until tomorrow, so 28 hours from now, the trade deadline happens. Teams will not be allowed to move players for the rest of this 17-game season if they don't make a move in the next 28 hours. Will the Titans, who rely so heavily on the running back, go and try to get a running back from another team? Maybe D'Ernish Johnson out of Cleveland, who came on the scene just a Thursday night football or two ago

whenever Chubb and Hunt were both out. Also still on the Browns. Had a drop yesterday against the Steelers, some other thing, but he's obviously not going to get anywhere near the amount of reps that you would expect with two all pros in front of him. and maybe his trade value is a little higher than it was a couple weeks ago will they go marlin mack maybe out of the indianapolis colts allegedly he's been on the trading block for like two three weeks will the colts trade within their division and just say fuck it on the season because they lost again they, probably, if I had to guess.

And I even floated the idea of Tony Pollard because of how good Tony Pollard is. Maybe the Titans would offer up something real nice for Tony Pollard in an NFC to Dallas, but Dallas Cowboys fans told me I had no idea what I was talking about. All right? Maybe Tony Pollard is a big part of the Dallas Cowboys offense. I understand that. But that is what trade value is for then. And if a team who relies so heavily on the running back,

who is now 6-2 or 5-2, definitely in the thick of it, they're going to try to go get a good running back from somewhere. What will they do? We'll have our eyes peeled on that situation. A lot of things happen for teams around the NFL, and the entire crew is with me here today to chit-chat. At Tone Diggs, wearing his COVID cowboy hat and a Friar Mood jersey

that was purchased and custom-built long before a game-winning touchdown was caught by said tight end from Penn State for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Mike Tomlin just a few days after saying, never say never, but never. There ain't a booster with a big enough blank check to get me out of this job. I have the greatest job in sports, basically, being the Pittsburgh Steelers head coach.

They go into Cleveland, expected to lose by most people around the NFL. They get a win. Ben is now 25-3-1 against the Browns. And Mike Tomlin congratulated with the fans, stood on the field and said, we're still that fucking team. What a moment, I assume, Matt Tone Diggs watched the Steelers get a win in Cleveland in front of the Dog Pound in a year in which the Dog Pound's hopes

have never been higher. Yeah, you know, it was a great day yesterday. It's always a great day when you get a win because it's hard to win in the NFL. We saw it all over the place yesterday, but as someone that comes from a city that's built on winning, I'm not going to celebrate too

much getting a win against a team that's last on winning. I'm not going to celebrate too much getting a win against a team that's last in the AFC North. And it's the same old Brownies. All right, all right. Okay, so you're trying to be humble there for a second, but we knew that was not going to be the case as soon as these lights came on and that microphone was open because Diggs was playing this down a little bit yesterday.

He was playing it down. It's the Cleveland Reds. Last place is the AFC North. Who cares? It's the Steelers. Who cares? It's the Pittsburgh Steelers. What are we even talking about?

We knew as soon as these lights came on, as soon as these cameras potentially started working, our boy Zeke worked tirelessly both Friday evening, Saturday, and Sunday to get these things back up and operating. Hey, Zeke, we appreciate you. Appreciate you. But we knew whenever these cameras that Zito had to rewrite the codes for to come back on live, we knew you weren't going to be able to contain your joy

for beating the Cleveland fucking Browns, dude. That was a big-time game yesterday. That was a statement game yesterday. That was a huge, pivotal game for the Pittsburgh Steelers this season. It would have got loud. If the Cleveland Browns beat the – now it's going to get loud up there in Cleveland. It is going to get loud in Cleveland. I mean, that was an ugly game.

15-10, okay, with all those weapons. Jarvis dropped a couple balls. All right, ain't nobody going to say that. Odell Beckham Jr. I think had six yards maybe. Something like that. He had six yards. His least amount of yards that he's ever had in an NFL game in which he participated fully in it.

It's going to get a lot in Cleveland, but Pittsburgh would have been real a lot by Roethlisberger. Is this guy still the guy? How is the team? Obviously, Chris Boswell gets one of the most devastating helmet to helmet hits i've ever seen yikes now chris boswell my sources have told me is going to be okay by monday not good okay a little tight little sore neck hurts got a car crash head probably hurts just a little bit a light i mean i didn't ask as many uh questions as i

probably should to my source but he thinks he's gonna be he got murdered on a football field yeah no call obviously because the refs fucking stink and we'll dive into that i assume throughout the entire day there was a lot of fan bases not happy with the fans yeah there was a lot of games where both fan bases weren't happy with the refs and that that's tough to do if you're a ref. There's been a lot of fuckery in the officiating, but just like Pereira said last week, feels like that's every single year we have that conversation. But this is a massive win for

the Steelers. And in Cleveland, they're going to start having to ask some questions now. Because that team lasts in the AFC North. And the AFC North, although Joe Burrow, what the fuck are we? And what about that defense? Great day in the AFC North, yes. Alright,, what the fuck are we? It was a great day. What about the defense? Great day in the AFC North, yes.

All right, let's wrap up that conversation before we get to magic Mike White lightning. This guy is insane, 405 yards, killed the super boost. Okay, fuck off, Mike White. But also, really cool to see you have success, Mike White, especially for a team that never has success. Almost the same as the Detroit Lions. I think Mike White potentially goes in there with MCDC, and the amount of electricity between the DC and the Magic Mike White Lightning,

that would maybe kill the curse that is in Detroit. But that was about – let's put a bow on this, though. Let's assume that Joe Burrow isn't dead. Yep. Although the Bengals' defense yesterday, what the hell? 405 yards to a guy named Magic Mike White Lightning? What happened out there? The Jets put up 405 yards passing on the goddamn Bengals' defense.

You've got no chance if your defense is going to play that way. They even invested in that defense in his offseason, and the Bengals don't invest in anything. So let's assume Joe Burrow and the Bengals aren't dead. Because Joe Burrow was going out, he would answer immediately. Like, hey, what the fuck are we doing? It was almost like, hey, what? We just need one stop against

Mike White. And Joe Burrow would go out and do it again. So I don't think Joe Burrow and the Bengals are dead. I think their defense got caught in a storm of, here's thunder and here's white lightning. I mean, they got caught in a storm of, here's thunder and here's white lightning. I mean, they got caught in a storm. But let's assume that that team defense will show back up.

Now it is getting colder and they don't have an indoor practice facility. Who knows what type of food swap they're eating over there with the way, you know, that Brown family runs the operation. But let's assume they're not dead. The Steelers just beat them in Cleveland. The Ravens, I don't think the Ravens are slowing. It doesn't feel like Lamar and them. Cleveland Browns, the dog pound,

could have never guessed that they would be in this situation eight weeks into the season. This is a blinds. They've been here before. They know where they're at. They've sat at the bottom of a lot of AFC North Hills in the past, and they've looked up bottom of a lot of AFC North Hills in the past, and they've looked up at them a lot.

They've had more quarterbacks alongside them staring up at that hill or whatever. It's going to get loud in Cleveland, though, because expectations for the first time in a long time, after winning a playoff game against Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh last year, after all those years of suck, I assume

it's going to get real loud in Cleveland because the reality is that is not going to be an easy division to continue to suck in, and it's only going to get worse in gloom and doom. And all that talent they have on that roster, what is it? Because we think Stefanski's a good coach, right? I know Andrew Barry's a good football mind, right, the GM. I know I've gotten a chance to see him work. I enjoy him a lot.

I think he's incredibly intelligent. He's built up the roster. Why are they not winning? What is the deal over there? And I think that's what the Browns fans are asking. It's going to get real loud because they started 3-1. Steelers started 1-3. They were going to the Super Bowl.

Steelers were dead. Now they've switched 4-3, 3 or whatever. The Browns are 4-4 now. It's going to get loud, but, I mean, it's Baker. What? It is. It's Baker. It's going to get loud, but I mean, it's Baker. What? It is. It's Baker. 100%. Guys had 0 for 3 on game-winning drives this year. You guys are saying that Baker Mayfield stinks?

Well, I don't know if he stinks, but he's hurt. He's hurt, okay? He's got the labrum. He's got the terror and the humor and stuff there. Are you going to pay him $35 million a year? What if Baker, here's a real question that's going to have to happen, and it does appear, you know, like you put Mike White. Boom.

On the box. On the box. They scored 35 points yesterday. Mike White might throw for 700 yards in a game. Mike White, by the way, University of South Florida, then Western Kentucky, then drafted to the Cowboys in 2018, now backup for the Jets, supposed to be a mentor probably for Zach Wilson. And instead, everybody's like, hey, Zach.

All right, dude, number two overall pick. Sweet. Congrats. We wouldn't change anything we did. Jets fans are – oh, yeah. Jets fans forgot Zach Wilson's name yesterday for a large portion of the day into the night. The New York Post sports section, white lightning, backup strikes, big lead. The Jets do absolute stunner.

Then across the bottom, Salah opens door to QB battle. It's like, oh, my God. So, like, I think all Jets fans are feeling this way. I have a couple Jets friends, fans friends. Okay. And it was crazy. Just because Zach Wilson has not built up enough happy times for Jets fans for somebody else to come in and give them an amazing day.

Yeah. An amazing day. We beat Joe Burrow in the bank. This is a very good football team. Division leader. This is a massive. Yeah, conference leader. At oneals. This is a very good football team. Division leader. This is a massive. Yeah, conference leader at one point. This is a massive game.

And this guy that we all had no idea existed. Those stats I just rattled out about old Magic Mike White Lightning, okay, just very quickly. I obviously look those up on Wikipedia this morning because who the fuck is this guy that Earl Grade our Super Boost? Yeah, big time. Come on. There is no way

the Bengals were supposed to be the team that fucked up the Super Boost. Maybe the Chiefs would have got us on Monday night.

It was a bad Super Boost by the way, to be clear. What? Why'd I have a Monday night game in a Super Boost? That is the most amateur thing of all time.

See, I saw that. I was like, all right, we're going to Monday. Yeah, that was an amateur move by me. That was 100% an amateur Boost. That is the most amateur thing of all time. I saw that. I was like, all right, we're going to Monday. Yeah, that was an amateur move by me. That was 100% an amateur move. That is on me. I will take this one.

I will eat this one. But after I woke up and saw it, I was like, we're going to have to wait until Monday. But this one looks pretty fucking good. I actually like what we're doing here. Never could have expected Mike White and Bob Sala to be the ones that ruined this entire thing. They did. And the Jets fans are ready to move on because Bob Sala looked like he had a soul

by the way. Hey, here we go, Bob Sala saying we got to fuck. How many yards have we thrown, Bob? 390. 390 yards. Holy shit. Then 405 yards. Holy fuck. This is unbelievable.

LaFleur gets to go up in the booth, by the way, because Zach Wilson wanted him on the sideline. That was his choice. That information got made public to bury Zach Wilson. By the way, the fact that that information came out, well, Zach Wilson liked him on the sideline because he liked to talk to him, although LaFleur did want to be up in the booth from the beginning. And Magic Mike White Lightning said,

no, go up in the booth, dude. I don't give a fuck. Do what you got to do. So he goes up at 405 yards. have success the offense looks better than ever mike white's making throws all over the place i mean he's dealing out there which leads you to the question of if mike white was on cleveland browns who have a great offensive line a lot of weapons is he able to absolutely dominate it's not just mike white mike white is the name of the day it may be the name of the future for the New York Jets. That's going to get interesting if you listen to anything

New York Post Sports put in their headline. But what quarterbacks do you drop in there? Bart Scott asked this question, I think, last week on ESPN. He was a go-to starters. It wasn't until you get to about 18 or 19, he said, that you think to yourself, oh, I'd rather take Baker over that particular quarterback for that team. It's like, I wonder, Andrew Barry seeing that, the Dog Pound seeing that. The team's just not winning games how they're supposed to win games. The injury affects Baker Mayfield immensely, but it is tough times in the business if you're Baker. This is not the right year to have this type of injury.

Is that 18th or 19th quarterback Carson Wentz because of what he's done this season? I didn't even know you wanted to move on. You woke up and chose violence. Oh, yeah. I chose violence for sure. I've been waiting. I was happy to keep this thing in old Magic Mike White Lightning's department.

Oh, absolutely. Okay, and I was pumped to talk about the AFC North. It's hot in the kitchen. Chris Boswell, helmet to helmet. I'd like Walt Anderson to issue an apology. He should. He should. It's about time. For the way the officials disrespected the kitchen. Chris Boswell, helmet to helmet. I'd like Walt Anderson to issue an apology. He should. By the way,

the officials disrespected the brand. The positionism running rampant through the stripes position is insane. Okay? He almost died out there.

Nobody was open either. What the fuck was he supposed to do? What was he supposed to do? I like the Boswell, by the way, for Steelers fans. Boswell,

he let that play. He gave that play every single half a second he could to develop. There wasn't a single person open. They did not expect the Browns to cover it and be ready for it as well as the Browns were. This is a play where you think that the defense is potentially going to sleep and somebody's going to be able to sneak out the back door because they're potentially either coming for the block so hard,

they got their blinders on and their ears pinned back. And then when that doesn't happen, oh, oh no. I've been in this situation against the Oakland Raiders at the time on Christmas Eve. It was supposed to be a nice Christmas gift. Middle linebacker was supposed to just drift away, okay, to the other side of the field. Then as soon as the ball is snapped, middle linebacker looks at me, and then he looks at the wide open hole that our offensive line perfectly created, and he goes, oh, I'm a football player.

Okay, I'm just going to go ahead and fill right in here. I hit him with a spin move. It did not work. But he was supposed to just go the other way. He didn't. In those fakes, if somebody doesn't do what you think they're going to do or what they have maybe shown that they would do or could possibly do because of what their

jobs are and if they just kind of go out on a lam and make a play, these fakes look very bad. They can look very bad, but they can also look great. Steelers aren't necessarily the most fake-like team ever. Very, very rare. Very, very conservative. So it coming out of nowhere

and the Cleveland Browns being ready for it, I think you've got to congratulate and commend the Browns special teams coach for being ready in there. Now, follow up to that. Presley Harvin is not a kicker.

Ooh. Okay, Presley Harvin is not a kicker. No. And everybody automatically assumes that if you can punt a ball, you can kick a ball.

And if you can kick a ball, you can punt a ball. That is not true.. And if you kick a ball, you can punt a ball. That is not true. Those are two very different swings. I think most guys that maybe had a soccer background that get into the NFL, they normally have a pretty natural way of doing things, but they're probably not going to be great at both. They'll probably be good at one if they have to get through a game, great at another one because it's two different swings. You have to think like baseball and golf like it's both swinging and hitting things but one's off the ground one's in the air one's a different use of muscles versus another one which is more like abdomen and everything

like that that is what kicking and punting is like so Presley Harvin was not a kicker the last time my sources have told me the last time Presley Harvin kicked off was his senior year in high school. And I think he was forced to do it. So like he is not a kicker. He is a natural punter. He's a great punter. But the Internet just going, oh, Presley Harvin can't make a 20 yard field goal. He might like at some point be able to make a 20 yard field goal.

But are you willing to put an AFC North rivalry game on somebody who is not that good of a kicker? I think openly, like, hey, I'm not that good of a kicker. Would you put even the shortest of a 20-yard field goal, which we have seen some of the greats of all time, because if that thing gets blocked and then goes back the other way, I mean, there's a lot of things that have to fall in place. It's not just moving a ball 20 yards through the uprights. It's also potentially getting eat. Holder issues. Holder issues.

And I saw Sutton working on holding during the commercial break or coming back from halftime because he was supposed to hold because Presley Harvin, who is the holder, would have moved to kicker. He was a terrible holder. That ball was not going to go in no matter what. The ball was tilted the wrong way. Not Sutton's fault, by the way. Is it manageable if Boz had to kick with

Sutton holding for him? Boz is good enough that he could potentially work with it and understand that the hold's going to be bad. They wouldn't be able to kick it from far distances, but at least extra point they would be able. But you put a guy that can't kick and a guy that's holding not great. I mean, that is a disaster waiting to happen. So I think that is something that not a lot of people maybe realized until yesterday. And a lot of Steelers fans, I think, started realizing that I was very fortunate and lucky that coming through soccer, I was very comfortable hitting balls at different levels and spaces and everything like that. But not every soccer player can kick a football football. Not every football kicker can punt and not every punter can kick a soccer ball or

a football off the ground. It's two completely different things. Happy we cleared that up. With all that being said, Carson Wentz needs to fucking chill out. I don't know. This guy is a nuclear factory whenever you talk

about electricity to watch. If I was not a fan of the indianapolis colts which i am of course yeah a lot of friends in the building a lot of money was given to me by the owner of the indianapolis colts great man sure a lot of history there you know i went from you know boy to man as a indianapolists. Love the Indianapolis Colts. Love football. Me too. Enjoy the team.

Think the team's cool. The team has been very nice to us. The team has been great at football as of late. Just one missing piece. That missing piece retired nine days before the season started a couple years ago. Yeah. Okay? Now, Andrew made a decision for himself, his family, his happiness that he has to deal

with. But if you're Chris Bowder, a Colts fan, when you look at that team last year, with old Phil Rivers, the year before that with Jacoby, I mean, you look at that team, you think to yourself, oh, we're one quarterback away. So whenever a quarterback is brought in or a quarterback conversation is had, especially with one that's revolving around having $25, $33 million in guarantees already and coming off of what is historically maybe one of the most uncomfortable years in history with Philadelphia

via him, his head coach. They had Nate Sudfeld playing. Then everybody got fired. I mean, just everything that goes into the quarterback position for the Indianapolis Colts with the team that is there, with the money that was spent, with the conversation that has happened, it's a big deal. So when Carson Wentz is the main priority of your TV watching on Football Sundays, I have no idea how you do it. I have no clue how the Wentzes, Carson's parents, haven't died of heart attacks, both of them. Every game, I have no idea. Every single play is a roll of the dice. You might score a touchdown.

This standard throw, this standard basic five-step drop, time, this thing could be the greatest play in the history of the NFL because if that thing's not on time, we're going to start looking around. We're going to start making plays. We're going to start shaking and booting and pitching and yelling and breaking every bone in our body if we have to with every single play. Every time the ball is snapped, Carson Wentz knows history could be made right here. History could be made. This could be the play that they talk about and run on NFL highlights for the next 2,000 year.

This play right here could be the greatest play in history. And what happens whenever you have that potential mindset, which is an admirable one, which is an awesome one. There is also a chance the what the fuck play of the year happens every week. Every week. Every week it seems like it happens. Teddy Bruschi on ESPN's NFL kickoff show. Yeah. They dressed up as Ted Lasso.

It was awesome. Pretty good. It was awesome. They did incredible. Teddy Bruschi said, Carson Wentz is going to give you one. Carson Wentz is going to give us. There's breaking news in my ear. Oh, no.

No, but I've got to finish this. Teddy Bruschi said, Carson Wentz is going to give you one. Okay breaking news in my ear. Oh, no. No, but I've got to finish this. Teddy Bruschi said Carson Wentz is going to give you one, okay? And that is exactly what he's going to do. He could actually give you seven or eight and a half if you catch them all. Oh, yeah. But then on the flip side, he will not even know that that happened the very next play, the very next series. Here we go.

We're coming out and making the greatest play of all time. There just seems to be a lack of calm consistency with Carson. Now his pick six in the end zone with 146 left. Tie game against the Titans. Make or break game. Can't go into a downward spiral. We're playing against

a team that's going to potentially keep us out. He literally had a stream called where he knew. He looked at, this ain't the right call. I think Frank thought it was potentially going to crack because the screen in your own end zone, nobody's really expecting that. They're expecting something quick. That's kind of a slow developer.

He knew it wasn't going to work. Refuses to throw it into the feet of Mo Ali Cox. Says, nah, this can still be the greatest play of all time. Turns back into four tacklers, four tacklers, while getting tackled by two and a half of them. He throws the ball into his left hand and then refuses to take a safety shot at. Safety would have been game over. Two more points to them, punting them the ball back.

Brilliant. That in the middle of saying, no, I'm not going to check this down. I'm actually going to make a touchdown here. I'm not going to check this down. I'm actually going to make a touchdown here. I'm not going to throw this away. I'm going to make a touchdown here. He thought, oh, can't take a safety either. Tosses ball to other hand. Other hand shot puts ball.

Picks six two yards. That happened, 146 left, fourth quarter, tie ball game, Tennessee Titans staring down a three and five record or a two and six record, whatever the quotes are now. That actually happened. But then, to his credit, the very next series, he comes on the field and he walks the team right down the field. One of the plays, he actually falls, balances himself on the football

while scrambling. Oh, no, no. Not going down, by the way. It is the ball. Who gives a fuck about this? It is. Puts it on the ground. Picks himself back up off of it

and throws a 37-yard completion into quadruple coverage where Michael Pittman Jr., who's a ball player. Yeah, a ball player. Hey, keep that number 11, Pittman. Tell Carson to go fuck. Maybe Carson's so rattled

because of what Michael Pittman said to him about the number 11 in the offseason that he feels he's still got to earn everybody's respect and trust. Whatever the case, Michael Pitt, triple, quadruple coverage. Yeah, it's quadruple coverage. And this comes seconds after he fell on the ball and then threw it. I mean, it is, every play is an emotional roller coaster. And I respect and appreciate how good he is, how tough he is.

He got played through two sprained ankles. Got those sprained ankles on the same play. And there's a couple plays he makes off balance and throws, and his energy is awesome. It's hard to, like, say bad things about Carson Wentz, literally. It is hard to say it because of how much I think he is liked in the locker room, his energy, his good plays but god damn he could have 35 turnovers a game and I don't think he would know it he just moves along like

nothing happened and those that pick six and then the picking over time to lose it I mean it was just what are we doing dude you gotta have a good time he had some record I guess for most amount of going to have a good time. He had some record, I guess, for most amount of bonehead plays in one game. No, no, no. Most plays, most throws without an interception. Oh, that's right. He did.

He's a number four all time in the history of the Colts or something behind Jeff George. It was a big time step because all the people that are on Carson Wentz's side, which by the way, I feel like I actually have been. I've just said he's a fucking psychopath. He needs to quit on some plays, which I've been saying for a long time. Tom Brady, actually, on Let's Go, he took a question from Cahir about the state of the game and everything like that.

And he somehow found his way talking about how some of these quarterbacks are just reckless, basically. And he said, I see Carson Wentz do it every single game. He knows he's going to get hurt. It's like that is what Carson Wentz does does those are decisions carson wentz makes and it is i mean it's stressful to watch it is very stressful i don't know how philadelphia did it i don't know carson wentz's parents did it i don't know north dakota folks did it because he wins a lot of games i assume for you but there is many moments in those games really carson what the fuck is going on out there it is pretty admirable and he is fun to watch because he'll never give

up on a play, all that kind of stuff. There's really no other way to sugarcoat it. He plays like a moron. He does. I'm sure he's a very smart guy, but you can't just continually give these good teams... He acts like he's playing in the turkey bowl in his backyard. It's like, hey, this is an NFL game.

There are consequences. If you're putting the ball in your left hand multiple times in a season and just kind of saying fuck it and getting rid of it like guess what like these guys you're gonna have pick sixes you're gonna turn the ball over a bunch and then obviously you know i mean he's spark plug he takes him down takes him to overtime but then that pick in overtime was terrible it was just horrible and also jonathan taylor's there why are we not giving a ball to that guy? They were 51 times yesterday, which is, they were up 14-0. Yeah, so the heat's coming on Frank Reich, as it should be, by the way, because everything I said, the leadoff, this entire thing, the team is so good.

Like, legit, the team is very good. You look at almost every single level, the team is very good. Rigoberto Sanchez, punter, incredible. Badgley's kicking now. It was a hot rod. Who knows what's going to happen with a hot rod. But the defense is stacked. They had a couple games where it was like, what are you guys doing?

And people figured it out. But it feels like if that team had a guy, the guy, you know, like it would go. Oh, yeah. They got Thursday night against the Jets. So, he got white lightning against Wild Wentz. Good luck. I mean, that's Thursday Night Football. That's going to be awesome.

Awesome. Who knows what the hell is going to happen. Now, breaking news that happened in my ear. Von Miller has been traded to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for two second-day 2022 draft picks. League sources tell ESPN. Miller is now saying his goodbyes to his friends in the Broncos training facility.

This comes via Adam Schefter. This is massive. So now Von Miller is on the same line as Aaron Donald, and Aaron Donald eats up three, four of the blockers every single play. The Los Angeles Rams, who, I mean, they fucking buzzsawed the Houston Texans. It wasn't close. That's a 10 a.m. game for them, local time, by the way. 10 a.m. game, whenever they're playing at

1 o'clock for them in L.A., they're coming out and just killing folks. Matt Stafford has the same amount of touchdowns as Jared Goff had all last season in the first seven games in a quarter or whatever the case is. He is lighting it up with McVay. Deshaun Jackson, who had early touchdowns,

taking the top off the defense. Everybody talked about him being back. He's not even getting on field anymore because of how many weapons they've had developing to superstars, which I wonder if that's Matthew Stafford, the offense, or the talent that their team has accrued because they seem to do whatever, however, to get good players in the building. They traded three first-round draft picks for Matthew Stafford this offseason whenever they were both down in Mexico at a pool next to each other. Sean McVay said, basically, when he did that,

I do not give a fuck about the draft. Okay, I'll give you three first-rounders, sure. There was other teams allegedly involved. The Colts, allegedly Matt Stafford and his wife, were zillowing in Indianapolis because they thought they were going to the Indianapolis Colts, which would have been a fucking magical thing. Carson Wentz is a good football player.

Carson Wentz is a good football player. Doofus, but good football player. I don't know, but he didn't tell it. I mean, he's out there on John Deere. No, he's on the ball. He's a clown. He's not a clown. He's probably a good guy.

I don't know him, but on the field. Anyways's a clown. He's not a clown. He's probably a good guy. I don't know him. But on the field, anyways, Matthew Stafford going to L.A., we all knew it was probably going to be very good. It has been very good. But it's not just Matthew Stafford that's balling, and Cooper Cupp's going to break fucking Megatron's record somehow. I mean, there is just something about that Rams team and any organization that says, we're going to go all in.

We are going to do what we – two second-day picks. What's that, second and third round? Second and third. Second and third round. It's official now. Yeah, second and third round. Go ahead and take them, dude. Are you going to find a Vaughn Miller in that second or third round

in the next three years? Probably not, right? Maybe the person will turn into Vaughn Miller in the future, which is cool. Good luck to you on finding that. But we know our window is right now. Matthew Stafford is incredibly hot. Our team is hot. Everybody loves our team in L.A.

We're in a new market. Let's go and get it. Congrats to the Rams fans. Hey, Dirty. Congrats to you, dude. Good work, man. More Rams graphics are going to be done It is fascinating how

How the Rams have found their way Into every single graphic They've got to be the favorites to win the Super Bowl now, right? The Rams? I mean, they did lose to the Bucs And then the Bucs go on to lose to the Saints Which is maddening Because not only did

Put the graphic out or the sidebar up, please. Oh! Backups became alphas. That's right. Trevor Simeon's one. Yeah, he's a beast. We have an update, I guess, on Jameis Winston. Jameis Winston does, in fact, have a torn ACL.

Source said after the MRI, he is out for the season. So we assume – you can have that back up there. So we assume that Jameis Winston's knee injury yesterday was bad. I think we all did. I even more so after seeing him on crutches in a full thing, dancing in the locker room. Oh, so there's no further damage that can make this even worse is what I immediately thought when I saw it.

I was like, oh, he's out because he's getting after it in the middle of an incredible party in that locker room. Yeah. Fog machine. And the Saints getting after it is for good reason. Simeon looks like a player. I was getting tweeted by Broncos fans that said, hey, Simeon was supposed to be the next guy whenever he was with us.

It all kind of went sideways or whatever. He's a stud. He doesn't look like it. No. He kind of looks like Bland White, if you were to describe a Madden character. But Cooper Rush, I mean, there's another Bland White creative player. I want this player to look like me, said some redhead in the middle of America. That is what Cooper Rush is and simeon is but

other than the buccaneers you know who are not they didn't have gronk from us that game and antonio brown other than the green bay packers which had a huge win over the arizona cardinals and i guess dan orlovsky saying the dallas cowboys should be in a conversation the rams seem to be the team that whenever they go into a weekend, I assume they're going to blow people out the most. And maybe it's just because it was the Texans and whoever, but the Rams are the team that you think about Matthew Stafford, and if you have the same vision on Matthew as all of us have,

which is like this guy's really fucking good, if you haven't seen him other than just on Thanksgiving, I think you're about to realize that this guy is always very good for whatever reason. The Lions are terrible. But then once you start thinking of Matthew Stafford, you think of McVay, you think of the weapons on offense, then you go, what's the defense like? You're like, oh,

Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald, now they got Vaughn Miller. They fly around out there. You have to think it's a very complete team. It'll be in there, but I don't know who's going to beat the Packers right now. They're getting a bunch of players back. I don't know how the Bucs are going to look whenever they got Antonio Brown and Gronk back and everybody. Now, maybe that, who knows if that'll ever happen, by the way, because if it's

not Gronk and Brown, maybe it'll be somebody else. They have so many weapons and all that, but you have to think that the Rams' big payoffs are going to hopefully pay off for them. And to answer Connor's question, the Bills are the current favorite, then the Bucs, and then the Rams. Whoa. And the Bills. Bills are plus $500. Bucs are plus $550.

Rams plus $650. Hey, Bills had, thank you for that, Tone Diggs, host of Hammer. Don! Gambling podcast that happens every single day after this show ends, 15 minutes after this show ends, at youtube.com forward slash hammer. Don! Josh Allen, fresh new haircut clean beard that Bill's Mafia seemed to have a hangover early a little bit okay so they had to shake that off a little bit seemed like there was a little bit of energy loss Josh Allen was trying to bring it I think even Matt Hack the punter for the

Bill's formerly of the Dolphins hit a shank and the entire team was like what are we doing they're playing their worst football and it was tied with the Dolphins. And then they turn it on wherever they want. But the Bills, they're a wagon, absolute wagon. They're going to have to deal with the New England Patriots. God damn right. The New England, I love the Bills. We'll talk more about the Bills.

They beat the Dolphins. Yeah. Okay. Dolphins fucking stink. Last in the division. Dolphins have lost seven straight games, by the way. Seven straight games the Dolphins have lost. Was that the fan base that was mad at you for saying

that they were going to finish behind the Patriots? Yeah, I think, yeah. You didn't even say they were going to finish last in the division, did you? No, I said they were going to finish third. Because at the beginning of the season, they had the best odds to finish second in the AFC East above the Patriots. And I said, really? The Dolphins above the Patriots?

I didn't see that happen. That was a throwaway remark. It's kind of a throwaway remark in a conversation about the entire NFL. I was assaulted on the internet. It was awesome, actually. I kind of respected it. I enjoyed it. I'm like, okay, I didn't really hammer the Dolphins that hard,

but I like that you guys took that much offense. You guys are that passionate. Now it's Tua's era. BFLO's getting rid of people they paid a year beforehand. This team's going to be a team. Their fan base knows it. I'm excited for the Dolph fam. All right, fins up.

Let's go. Let's go. All right, so Gumpie, we're going to talk about it. They've lost seven straight. That team fucking stinks. Stinks. Okay, they absolutely stink. I still appreciate their fans.

They were incredibly passionate, they absolutely stink. I still appreciate their fans. They were incredibly passionate. But they stink. So in turn, Buffalo Bills, we apologize. We won't talk about you as much. A team that lost six straight going into the weekend to play against you has lost now seven straight. You started out a little cold, but you guys still had that ability to flip the switch.

Cole Beasley, number one heel in the NFL, he was talking shit on Bills Mafia a couple weeks ago. The only place I get booed at is home. I thought it was supposed to be the best thing. He went for like 118 or something like that. Josh Allen, that team is unbelievable. But it's AFC East football. And with the way the New England Patriots have been playing,

I think everybody's going to look out. Ain't that right, Boston? 100%. Mack Jones' worst game by far, and we still end up winning in the end. And this feels like one of those games that we talked about before the season where Bill Belichick would have some sort of game plan and scheme something up against a guy like Justin Herbert and the Chargers, who are a very good football team.

Are they? Hey, what's going on with them? People are asking. We'll see. They, they, are they dead? What happened? I mean, I don't know. What happened? What happened? I mean, I don't know What happened?

What happened? What happened to the Chargers? Or is it just Patriots are that good? Feels like it's the Patriots for sure, Pat And not to mention, you know, Bill Belichick Maybe this is one of those things Against coaches who are in their first year He's 4-0 this year

Granted, two of them are against the Jets And to your point about Magic Mike White lightning To Jets Nation you're welcome Because we took Zach Wilson out And now you have the quarterback of the future And Mike White Don't have to thank me I will already accept it

But no You'll accept it for all the Patriots For all the Patriots yeah From New York I appreciate their appreciation For our appreciation of hurting Zach Wilson Well I don't Okay I don't know if you should be appreciating the fact that you hurt another team's quarterback, but I like that you guys go out there with a mission to destroy the quarterback.

Always. Especially young quarterbacks. You know, that last game against Herbert, I guess it was allegedly just an absolute runaway. Oh, yeah. 40 to nothing last year. So maybe there's a little bit of that mystique you know brandon staley herbert whatever the case is but if magic mike white lightning goes on and beats the patriots 10 times will you still be saying hey you're welcome forgiveness do you

guys hate bad football so much you said zach wilson needs to stop playing in afc east this is not afc east football this guy stinks so bad that what you did? That's what you're kind of claiming. Not at all. I will not be upset if that happens. I mean, look, anytime you can birth the next Tom Brady in the NFL, I will welcome that. So when Magic Mike White Lightning and the Jets win six Super Bowls during his reign of power, I will look back and say,

you know what, you're welcome, New York. You deserve this. So do you think about this at all in the Patriots, great win in L.A. Big win. Big win. We're back. Mack Jones played bad, too, you see. Yeah, his worst game by far.

And, you know, with the defense pick six and then the run game travels, which is good now. So there's a lot of hope coming. The team's getting better every week, Pat. And I don't want to continue to harp on Magic Mike White Lightning. But what happens if, you know, the business of the NFL is a real one and they spend a number two overall pick on Zach Wilson? So, hey, Mike, fucking we're trading you out of here, actually. Oh, yeah.

Hey, look. Imagine if Mike White is traded before tomorrow at 4 o'clock. Send him to New Orleans. Send him to fucking Indy. Detroit. Anywhere but Cleveland. Yeah. The good news is we'll find out about Magic Mike White Lightning real quick

because, boom, fast turnaround Colts on Thursday night. Oh. I don't love that. Here we go. We would like him to potentially cool off from the heater a little bit. I don't think he will. Short week on a 4.05 pass is not great. He potentially rides that heater right into

Thursday night and probably fizzles out into Jets football two weeks from now, but come on guy. Well, unless Carson gives him eight more possessions than he typically would have in any given game, which he is you know, bound to do. Carson will try. He will. He's a nut job. He's a psycho.

He is. On the football field. It is so fun to watch, though. My God. The best. I mean, he literally run, run, fall. Yeah, Foxy. So he literally runs. This is the drive immediately following the left-handed pick six for two yards

after saying, nah, not doing that. He runs in the post. Oh, shit. Falls. Ball. Up. Quadruple coverage. Yeah.

Completion. Awesome. Completion. TY's out with a concussion, I guess. He hit hard off the ground. Somebody took his legs out from under him. Schoolboyed him. That's unbelievable.

So Thursday night, Magic Mike White Lightning takes on Wild Wentz in what should be an absolute thrill ride for all Indianapolis Colts fans. Good news, though. You can put 400-plus for each of them in the same game parlay. Maybe just those two to each throw 400-plus. We've got to get to a break. If you're a Colts fan, I don't know how you don't just rip your hair out every single time you watch them play.

Dude, shout out to your TV. Jonathan Taylor. He's so good. Why do we not give him the ball? Just disappears for 15 minutes at a time. I guess people ask Frank Reich in his interview this morning, in his press conference this morning, whether or not they think he should hand over to play call of duties.

Yeah. No. That was the answer. Stop fucking asking. Hand the goddamn ball to Jonathan Taylor on the goal line. There's no way Carson's doing that, okay? There's no way Carson went. You know how boring that is?

True. Carson might fall asleep on the field if he has to hand the ball off to Jonathan Taylor anymore. And win games. That would stink for him. No, he'd be sleeping. He'd be at the lake. He'd be fucking out, dude. You know how, it seems like he gets bored with football. So, alright, fuck it.

Gotta do something absolutely absurd here. But every once in a while, it's really good. Really good. I wonder if I can complete this left-handed. Fuck it. I wonder if while four guys are tackling me, I can toss this son of a bitch to my other hand, and then maybe I'll hookshot left-handed. I wonder if while four guys are tackling me, I can toss this

son of a bitch to my other hand and then maybe I'll hookshot. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen.

It'll get there. Tease and peace. He's throwing Hail Marys every play. Yeah. It is so fun.

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Make sure you're ready to have confidence and control this summer. Roman ready. Philadelphia Eagles just released this speech that Sirianni did after the game in the locker room in Detroit while standing on a chair. And I have to preface this with saying uh where I watch football at there's TVs obviously there's only one game that has sound on it all the other ones are silent in the Fox OT show there is a Fox after football show when most people are watching football night in America I guess Fox has OT which happens as well it was on the outside tvs which much must have been fox channels because there's cbs and there's fox channels and then i move over to mbc

to watch football night in america or whatever to catch the replays of everything that happened on the fox ot show i saw sirianni's face on a couple tvs standing up overlooking a locker screaming something i could not hear what he was saying, but I could only see him. Yeah, and they showed the video. I texted Ty literally immediately, and I said, I have no idea what he said, but I just saw Sirianni screaming in the locker room. I assume it is hysterical. Turns out he did have everybody go, Roots on three.

One, two, three. Roots to grow that flower, to continue to grow that flower and plant that foundation. Keep them roots growing, baby. Let's go, Sirianni. I wish I would have heard it, AJ. Who's laughing now, Ty? Who's laughing now?

Sirianni, obviously. He is doing the right thing. He has them all on board. I think you're right, Pat. They're buying in, Ty. And Coach Sirianni is here joining us right now. Obviously, he pops in from time to time. Coach, big win for the Lions.

Absolutely slaughtered MCDC out there. You gave a speech about these roots. And last week, I believe you said you were in the manure phase. Are we a little bit past the manure now? Are we out of this shit? Or are we maybe seeing a little bit of a blossom? We're definitely blossoming a little bit. We just beat the fuck out of the Lions.

But let's pump the – I mean, before the game, I looked over at the sideline. I saw Dan Campbell. I said, this doofus is not going to beat me. I mean, I'm going to outsmart, outgame. Jalen Hurts threw for 100 yards, and we won by fucking five touchdowns. How does that happen? And, you know, all I did mentally, I needed to get on Dan Campbell's level, so I ate two tins of to get on Dan Campbell's level.

So I ate two tins of long cut school before the game. And at that point, I knew, you know, we're going to keep this thing fucking rolling. But let's pump the brakes. The Lions are maybe the fucking worst football team ever. What about the Roots, though? One, two, three, Roots. Is that how you guys always break it down? As of late, Jalen was actually the one who said, like, hey, coach, we should start breaking it down with the roots analogy because it was so good.

And I said, you know what, Jalen, if you want to do that, we'll do that. And, you know, obviously we get a big win and one, two, three roots, baby. Let's keep it fucking rolling. All right, coach, thank you for joining us. We have to pivot away from Coach Sirianni, obviously. And now we go to a multi-Hall of Famer, AJ. This guy is in multiple hall of fames this guy went out on a limb and said i'd like this human on my show please and the brass executives uh that are whatever not necessarily thrilled with that but this dude got me on espn every single

monday this dude made me a better host this person made made me better on air. This person is a Jets fan who's probably flying so high right now with Magic Mike fucking White Lightning guiding this Jets Titanic boat that has been slowly crashing for years and years. Ladies and gentlemen, Magic Mike Greenberg. I can only imagine how successful our show would be in the morning with the kind of analysis that I just heard before I came on. That's the one thing we're missing. I'm going to go back to the people I work for and say that's the guy we need because

that analysis of how the Eagles beat up on the Lions yesterday is just what it would take to put us over the top in the morning. Well, Greeny, I'll tell you what, if you can find a Coach Sirianni, you should get him. Some of the things that guy has said, normally we just quote him directly. I think there were some creative liberties on the two tens of long cut that MCDC maybe potentially choose, but we appreciate you joining us. I know you're very busy. You have to be incredibly happy that it looks like your team

is at least being talked about in a positive light for three four days here well here's the problem and aj help me with this too because aj if that performance yesterday had been put on by zach wilson there would have been no living with me there that that would be it it would be impossible it would be over. It would be impossible. It would be over. I don't know that I would have made it in to do the show this morning. The problem is that performance yesterday came from a guy that, if everything goes right, would never play again as long as he lives. The future of the team remains Zach Wilson. Now, he's not going to be healthy.

As you guys obviously well know, the Jets turn around and play Thursday night at Indianapolis. So Zach is not going to be back for that. we'll see what winds up happening with mike white in that game but when your backup quarterback ridiculously outplays the guy who is your not only your starter but you have drafted specifically to be the future of your franchise it leaves the fan with a little bit of mixed emotion. Like, obviously, I'm thrilled they won. I'm thrilled how well he played. But what exactly does this mean in the big picture if Mike White,

who was a fifth-round pick three years ago and had never set foot on a field in anger before, so grotesquely outplayed the guy who was the future of my franchise? Greeny, so what do you do? I know you are a giant Jets fan. For other people that are Jets fans, too, you said mixed emotions. Do you want Mike White to come light it up again on Thursday? What is the plan? Yeah, I do, obviously. If only so I can give McAfee the business if the Jets beat the Colts. The Colts, by the way, are a 10.5 point favorite in that game,

even though you have Carson Wentz and we don't. But, yes, I do, obviously. And, you know, I'll tell you something. Robert Sala, who's the new coach of the Jets, when he was asked in the press conference yesterday after the game, could you see Mike White continuing to start even after Zach is healthy? The first words out of his mouth were, anything is possible. And then he went on to couch it. I think he realized what he had just said, but he said that. And look, maybe that's the reality. Tom Brady was the 199th pick

in the draft once upon a time. If I had told you after he ran out onto the field and played his first game, that guy's going to win seven Super Bowls and be the greatest quarterback of all time, that would have been pretty unlikely. So could Mike White turn into a great quarterback? Could he wind up being better than Zach Wilson? I don't suppose it's impossible, but clearly the judge drafted Zach Wilson to be their franchise for the next decade plus. So if Mike White lights it up, I think they have at least a little bit of a problem on their hands. It's very fascinating because Zach Wilson was chosen over Justin Fields, obviously, and Mac Jones, and it's going to be judged that way until eternity.

But you're not the only person in New York that heard him say that because the New York Post Sports Sala opens door to QB battle across the bottom. I think that's how most Jets fans feel and they're completely OK with it. Right. Even though the reality of the NFL is Zach Wilson, second overall pick. He's going to get 7000 opportunities to get back in there. But the Jets fans might be too loud. Does that ever matter what the Jets?

Yes. Here's what I said on the radio today, Pat, that quarterback controversies can come from a lot of different places. But the most popular one they come from is from the fans. So the coaches may have an idea of what they're going to do, and the ownership may have an idea of what it's going to do, and the general manager may have an idea of what they're going to do, and the ownership may have an idea of what it's going to do, and the general manager may have an idea of what he wants to do. But I'm telling you right now,

if Mike White lights it up Thursday night in Indianapolis... He won't, by the way. He won't. This whole little Magic Mike White Lightning fairy tale ends on Thursday. We'll see. We'll see about

that. We'll see if Carson Wentz decides to throw any left-handed jump balls from his own end zone. Every game. Every game, Greeny. It's every game he does something like that. But not like that. Not like that. Was that or what?

See, the two worst moments in the NFL yesterday were both agony for Pat McAfee. One is the Wentz interception. The other is Chris Boswell. Chris Boswell getting knocked into the seats by holding on to the ball for so long. Those are the two worst moments in the NFL yesterday, and they both had to eat at you. Having just said that, if Mike White plays big, let's put it this way yesterday was by far the most dynamic and efficient the Jets offense has been all year long it's one thing to be one of those things it's another thing to be both of those things so he was more dynamic and more efficient than Zach

Wilson has been at any point if he is that again Thursday night they come home and play Buffalo a week from the following Sunday. If Zach Wilson is playing and the middle of the second quarter, he looks like he has looked so far, the quarterback controversy is on, regardless of what the coach wants, because the fans will be chanting Mike White's name, and that is a complicated, at minimum, place to be. I think so, too.

And Mike White was getting his name chanted yesterday. I actually had to ask, is that, what are they saying? That's my name. Oh, shit. Tip of the cap there. Hey, Thursday night's game with Wild Wentz and White Lightning. Five public push-ups between you and me. Yeah.

You know what those are? Oh, yes. Well, public push-ups. I know what push-ups are. I remember the one time you made me do up-downs on your show. So, I mean, you're going to get me in shape. What exactly are public push-ups? So, for instance, when you're live on GetUp or something, I will text you and say, hey, you owe me two push-ups in the next probably hour or so. Then I still have three in the bank,

by the way. I still have three in the bank. You know what I mean? All right. Are we doing this with no points? We're doing this straight up. We're just doing this no spread, no nothing. You're a ten-and-a-half point favorite. We got Wentz, though. Let's be clear. And, yes, we're not saddled with Carson Wentz, and you are,

so maybe that evens the matter out a little bit. All right. What the hell? I love my guys. I will make this bet because here's the reason I will do it. Because I am delighted to finally be on my wife's favorite show. I cannot tell you how many times my wife tells me that this is the best sports talk show there is. And let me state for the record, I host three of them.

Somehow, you guys are better than the TV show I host in the morning, the radio show I host in the midday, or the NBA show I host at night. There's no time of day in which, in my own household, I'm considered the best talk show. So I can't say no. Well, shout out to Stacey, by the way. Shout out. Shout out.

But that's not true. We all know that's not true. Okay, listen. If that's what she thinks, also, maybe, maybe we're big fans of her as well, obviously, but she might not be like

the Cisco and Ebert of sports shows. You know what I mean? She might not be the Cisco and Ebert. We appreciate the hell out of her. Get Up has been fascinating.

You just subbed me out and put Ryan Clark in on Mondays, huh? That's what you say? Hey, listen. This show would be better. Take Pat out. Bring in Ryan Clark. We got Orlovsky, we got Rex,

I'm assuming Hembo and all the people behind the scenes. It's the same exact crew and I don't get to be there. We enjoy the hell out of your Mondays, though. That's pretty much the way that went. And to this day, I don't know why, but I don't really have an argument to make because that does seem to be the way it went.

But I've always assumed that was based on your schedule and your enormous uh the enormity the enormity and an increase in your profile and you're flying around doing wwe and all the other stuff that i find you doing all the time well i appreciate that and that is true that is accurate this is 100 my fault not yours but the show is great. It's awesome to watch. Go ahead, AJ. Greeny, so Pat mentioned Orszawski, and he's on there a lot with you. He does a great job breaking things down, very opinionated. What's it like working with him every single week? He always has stuff to back up his arguments, which I always respect.

He's not just going to throw it out there. He's going to show you some film to try to back up what he's trying to say. Yeah. No, Dan's terrific, and I refer to to dan and pat a lot of these other young guys that i've had come through and all that as like my nephews i mean these guys just you know he came in um you know without having really done a lot of tv and he's just fabulous and you're 100 right he is like a magician with the telestrator like he does i, an unbelievably good job diagramming plays and all of that. The only downside of Orlovsky at this point is that he has unilaterally decided that we're going to end every Monday with him telling an absolutely terrible joke on television. And somehow I had no say in this.

I don't know how this happened happened but he just decided we're going to do it and we're going to keep doing it and every week it just gets worse and i can't stop him so if you guys can do anything about it let me know now dan doesn't listen to anything we say we tell him all the time like hey dan you can't just go out there and say every player is your favorite player and every player is the mvp and every you can't say that every quarterback's the best quarterback like that's what we try to tell him. He doesn't listen to a word we say. He does that every morning.

I mean, every, every single day. It's the, and I would assume you hear it and just go, well, that's interesting that you said this today. And cause tomorrow it's going to be, we love Dan,

but what we're saying is nothing we have told him affects any train of thought. So I'd assume you're the same way. Those jokes at the end are going to stay. I assume. I'm never getting rid of them. I will say say this you should have seen the pain because you guys know how much he loves carson wentz the pained expression on his face as he had to analyze the two interceptions which he argued the second one was worse because of the decision i don't know

how anything could be worse than the first one. I don't know that I've ever seen you guys aren't old enough to remember Garo Yopremian throwing a pick-six. He was a kicker, and he threw a pick-six in a Super Bowl that otherwise his team would have won in a shutout. Google it. That, I think, is universally considered to be

the worst play in NFL history. I think Carson Wentz put his name in that hat yesterday. But Dan insists the second one was even worse because he says the check down to the running back, he would still be running right now. So that was the pain because of his love for Wentz. The pain on Orlovsky's face today was worth the price of admission. Yeah. And it's hard because I understand Dan, He feels the same way I think a lot of us feel about Carson. It's like the good is really good.

He's a great player when he's playing well. When he's sitting in there and he's throwing it and everything like that. He's sprained both of his ankles on one play. That's as many as you can. The most amount of ankles that you can sprain, he sprained in one play with aaron donald draped around him i mean he still wanted to go back when he couldn't run or he couldn't extend the play and he was stuck in the pocket because he was in walking boots he was so good but then as soon as he just

starts thinking like oh this play could be the best play of all time every single play it just one thing leads to another and it's a comedy of errors i mean the the throw it away in the end zone to the tight end on that screen he thought about it like you know he you actually saw him think oh this this play kind of stinks this is gonna happen in the nfl sometimes things are gonna he thought about it and he's like no no no i'm fucking carson wentz dude he tosses that thing to his other hand, Greeney. Other hand. Three people tackling him. And just throws. What?

But then he'll drive right down the field on the next drive. He used the football as a balance on one. He actually fell. Used the football to keep him up. Chucked it in the quadruple coverage. And Michael Pittman catches it. They score a touchdown. They tie it up.

And then the next series throws a pick. I mean I mean, it is just, it is like this at all times with him. I don't know how the Eagles fans did it. I don't know how his parents have watched him play football all these years. It is a cardiac arrest, Greeny. It really is. Well, and, and, but that's the thing is that at some point the guys like that, you just have to accept that it's not going to get better like we kept waiting for things like for stuff to get coached out of players and if frank reich isn't going to coach that out of them then i'm not sure who does the question is what does his future look like exactly he's got the rest of this year there obviously and i agree with you i actually remain sort of a carson wentz believer, although yesterday kind of pushed that to its very limit.

But it doesn't look good right now, and I don't know what becomes of him if and when they decide they just can't live with that roller coaster anymore. Go ahead, Ty. Greeny, obviously with the Jets winning, it kind of takes a little bit of shine off them in New York. The Giants won last week, but if they're going to go, if they get blown out tonight by the Chiefs, do you think there's a good chance like around New York are they gonna just blow everything up get rid of Danny Dimes get rid of Joe Judge like what's the likelihood that that that that happens if they stink for the rest of this year I think the overwhelming likelihood is that they make a change a general manager um everyone in new york hates the general manager um i think joe judge

i i think that the dave gettleman is his name and and and he's he he has he has he has outstayed his welcome let's put it that way for almost all of the fans of the giants that i know here's the problem you have is if you keep jo Judge, then who are you hiring to run your organization? And you tell that person, you've got to keep this coach in place that I think almost any objective observer of that team would say the next time they win a really big, they win meaningful games, meaning January games, someone else is going to be their coach. So do I think Joe Judge deserves to be fired today? No. Have I seen enough myself to say, I do not believe Joe Judge is going to be a great NFL head coach? I have. And so as a consequence, if I'm blowing out the general manager, then I'm starting all over again. And I'm bringing a new president and

let that person hire a coach and move on from there and I think that person should be Louis Riddick. Now having said all of that and there's no question in my view that Louis will get serious consideration for that job. What you then ask me about Daniel Jones, in my opinion, he's been a bright spot. Like he's been the best player on that team. The problem with him this year has not been the quarterback. And so I suppose you have to let the new coach make that decision. But I would be much quicker if it were my decision.

I would be much quicker to move on from the GM and the coach than I would from the quarterback. Do you disagree, Pat? No, I just think if you move on GM and head coach, they're going to move on from the quarterback too. I mean, that's just classic ego almost. But where are you moving on? Unless you get an Aaron Rodgers or

someone like that, I don't know where it is you're going immediately. You're probably better off picking up one more year of Daniel Jones. Give him a year with your offense and your system, whatever it is you want to do. And see, I don't know that there was a better realistic option for them next year unless they get your guy Aaron. Ask him

this tomorrow. I will, like the entire rest of the sports media, be sitting listening, although he won't answer it right now, obviously. But short of Aaron Rodgers, I don't know what option the Giants are going to have that is going to be better than what they have. Hey, we heard you the entire time. Your face kind of went to a non-connect

screen, but your voice was heard loud and clear. Fascinating to think, though, that you just hang. Maybe Jason Garrett, head coach. Oh. Same offense. Go ahead and move the clapper. Move the clapper. Right on up.

Back in the NFC East, head coaching seat again. Maybe that's the case. Here we go, huh, Danny? Go ahead, Carl. Or trade for Mike White. Greeny. How about Cullen Moore? Especially after that Cooper rush. Go ahead

and just have him be quarterback and head coach and GM. How about that? Maybe that's what the Giants need to do. Yeah, Greeny, do you find solace in the fact, as a Jets fan, that you're not as terrible as the Lions? And if you are the lions would you start tanking for arch manning or no it's a couple year play i don't how arch manning

is in high school right yeah um i as a jet fan i take solace in nothing um there's not a lot of solace to be found in any of it um the jets are are not the worst team in the NFL, although I'll say this, last week, I think the Jets were worse than the Lions were, way worse. Like the Lions, I thought, I really admired the way they played that game against Stanford, and I think that was their Super Bowl. I loved the fake punts and the onside kick and all that stuff, and there's something about the coach I actually like. Yesterday was just, that was a no-show. They might as well have just saved themselves the trouble and not bothered to suit up for that game.

But no, I take no solace in anything as a Jets fan, literally nothing. Hey, they stink. They've had some devastating losses. Obviously, Justin Tucker hits from 66 and then another 50-plus yard field goal to the Vikings. But it feels like there's a chance that this Lions team, they practiced for an entire week. They watched film.

They tried. They dedicated hours and hours of their life. Motor City, Dan Campbell drank no short of 2,000 gallons of coffee last night. Yeah. And it was 41-0 with a sign of getting much worse there late in that game. Ended up being 44-6. We have the only Lions fan that has a microphone on a national show. Your team is by far the worst team in the NFL.

And I don't know if there's any chance of getting out of it. And you got Goff's contract. What a wild seed over there. I love Motor City Dan Campbell, and I'm not going to blame him at all. That roster is so bad. I walked into the office this morning and I said, going to blame him at all. That roster is so bad. I walked into the office this morning and I said, Guys, I mean, Jared Goff is terrible, but name me one player on our defense right now. And no one could even name a name.

Oh, you guys got that Joe Dirt. Joe Dirt. Exactly. Bob Carpenter 2.0. We have Joe Dirt on defense. No, he's captain. He's got good energy. Yeah.

They're terrible. They stink, though, Greeny. They're the Jets now. I know the Jets have a bigger market, I guess, so that's why the Lions kind of sneak by. But they are. good energy yeah they're terrible they stink though greeny they're the jets now you know like i know that the jets have a bigger market i guess so that's why the lions kind of sneak by but they are so so they need to just pay greeny greeny they just need to pay calvin johnson how come like the curse and you've been around sports so long obviously mike and mike was a staple of a lot of sports fans childhood at this point and through a lot of adulthood and everything like that.

The Lions just need to pay Calvin Johnson and get rid of that curse. Is there a reason they haven't done that? And in your sports Rolodex of life, have you ever seen anything like what the Lions have had to face? No. I mean, the Lions, the fact that they – do I have this right? They've won one playoff game since the 50s? That is correct.

That was a good day, correct. I mean, that literally. That was a good day, though. Barry Sanders, 91. That was a good day. Was that the Wayne Fonts Lions who won a playoff game? Do I have that right? I can't even remember the game they won. Barry Sanders.

It was Sanders. Yes. No, the Lions are terrible. But I will say this, and no one cares. I mean, I'm about to say something that literally no one cares. The jets have had games this year where they were worse than the lions have been the jet game against Denver, the jet, which was week three in Denver. If that game was still going on, the jets would not have scored. They would still, if they were still playing, that was week three. There have been six weeks since then.

The jets would not have scored. if they had played that game. They genuinely should have saved whatever money it cost. There's no airfare. What the hell am I talking about? I'm sitting there at United. Whatever it cost them to fly their plane to Denver to play that game, they should have saved that money because they would have been no less competitive if they had not bothered to make the trip.

Waste of laundry detergent. I love it. Go ahead, Tone. Greeny, the Rams go out, get Vaughn Miller today. Do you like that the Rams are doing it like that versus and saying, fuck it with all the draft picks, like the draft picks mean nothing? Do you like that?

Yes, I do. And why not at this point? I mean, you're right there. I think that that is a trade, in my opinion, that could tilt the balance of power. I have thought the Rams were the second likeliest team in the NFC to make it to the Super Bowl. Yesterday and today changed my mind. I think now the Rams, based on their acquisition of Von Miller and how human the

Buccaneers looked, and I don't know that everyone can do to them what New Orleans does, but New Orleans, Tom Brady does not want any part of the Saints in the playoffs, regardless of who their quarterback is by the time we get to the end there. But I would put the Rams now number one with that acquisition. Their defense is scary. And I actually think right now I would put the Cowboys two. I think that my pecking order in the NFC would be Rams. You don't have to talk about the Cowboys on this show.

Okay, this show you can talk about any team. You don't have to talk about the Cowboys on this show. Okay? This show you can talk about any team. You don't have to talk about it. No, but I'm so conditioned to. No matter what else happens. It's Cowboys. Literally, no matter what else happens. You'll appreciate this. I had a little medical procedure done three weeks ago.

I'm fine. Everything's fine. No problem. All right. Yes, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. The reason I tell you this is because I was going in at 730.

At 715 in the morning. I sent a text to Pete McConville. Pat knows who that is. He's the executive producer of Get Up. And I sent him a note. I said, I'm going in in 15 minutes. If I don't make it out, always remember, you can never talk too much about the Cowboys. I wanted those to be my final words, if indeed they want to be my final words. But I think they're that good. I think they're that good. And their defense is good and getting really good.

First, I thought they'd be terrible. Then I thought they were still bad but opportunistic. Then I thought they were decent but opportunistic. And now suddenly they just flat look good. That defense is good and getting better Dak has gone from what he was which is a good quarterback now to being a great quarterback they've got weapons all over the place I think until the Rams got Von Miller today I would have said the Cowboys are the team to beat in the NFC now how can you not say it's the Rams

okay and there's another team in the NFC that might have a question to ask you, and that's the Packers, right? Without their top weapon and without their top two weapons and without top three of their weapons, they beat the undefeated Cardinals. But they're a team that operates much differently than the Rams, especially it came to the conversation piece this entire offseason with Aaron Rodgers

and a potential relationship with the Packers. You see the Rams go and get Von Miller to kind of, hey, this is our window. We need to go. Who cares about future picks? We'll give up two future ones. We'll give up golf, obviously. We'll give up every pick but the fifth and the seventh this upcoming draft

because we want to win now. You saw Tampa. Tampa's doing everything they could to sign everybody, salary cap, gymnastics. That guy's named Mike Greenberg down there, by the way, doing an absolute godsend to the Buccaneers roster. The Packers don't do that type of thing. There's a lot of teams that potentially don't do that. With the success we've seen, now let's assume the Rams are going to go on to succeed.

The Bucs have already had success. The Chiefs have been able to do this, although they kind of built from within, but they're going to pay everybody. How come more teams don't just get after it? Why is that? Because the NBA has always done done this you've covered both i think the nfl fans we don't want this to be the nba but it feels like players are starting to decide where they want to go much more and why don't why doesn't every team try to get involved in that right

well the packers lack of doing that is obviously well documented and we saw what it resulted in with with your guy Aaron and it results in having for the last 30 years literally 30 years they have had a top 10 all-time quarterback playing for them every single one of those seasons Rodgers who's top five all-time and Favre who's top 10 all-time and they've made it to three Super Bowls and won two of them. So what has been proven out is that the whole idea of a five-year plan in the NFL, which the league was built on for the first 90 years of its existence, I agree with you, those days are over. I think the value of winning once, the idea that these draft picks are worth their weight in gold and all the ways that football people have traditionally thought need to be rethought

as we move into a new era of analytics and where you know young people as as uh you know a lot of people sometimes bemoan these young people kind of get it and they're the ones who understand where this stuff is going if you have aaron rogers put it this way if you have aaron rogers on your team then every single year is Super Bowl or bust. Every single year. So every year should be treated as that. You should not be thinking about where am I going to be three years from now. That's nobody's problem when you have Aaron Rodgers.

If you have Aaron Rodgers, a miracle has befallen you, right? One of the greatest players that ever lived plays overwhelmingly the most important position for your team. So you should be doing everything you can every year to win the championship and we'll worry about next year when next year comes and that's what football is now and i think they've been getting it wrong for a long time and that's why he's so aggravated and obviously we've lived we've gone down that road a million times um but yes i think that the packers between now and four o'clock tomorrow while aaron is sitting there talking with you strumming his guitar whatever

it is that he's doing um you should be get you should get breaking news you should say guess what aaron your team has just acquired this guy whoever that is before the deadline to help you try and win the super bowl this year. That's what should happen. And unfortunately, we all know it won't. Sure. Well said. Antonio Brown. That would be an interesting one if they brought him over.

You somehow lured him away from Tampa. But, Greeny, you mentioned Aaron to the New York Giants. I'm just throwing receivers out there. He popped in my head. Brandon Cooks, though, may be out of Houston. How about Odell? How about Odell Beckham? Greeny, is it crazy to think, though, the Packers have made more moves than they have in my head. Brandon Cooks, though, maybe out of Houston. How about Odell? How about Odell Beckham? Greeny, is it crazy to think, though,

the Packers have made more moves than they have in the past. We know that. How about Odell? Like, Odell had one target in Cleveland yesterday. One. They threw him the ball one time. So, is he still a – I mean, you put him on the other side or wherever it is you would put him

in the slot, wherever you want to put him, but you got Devontae on one side, you got these other guys coming back healthy eventually, and then you add Odell. You tell me. I mean, you tell me whether that is enough of a guy. I would defer to your expertise on that. But, yes, I believe they should go get somebody, and I think they won't. Imagine Devontae on one side and then Odell on the other. Big Bob Tunyon, big dog out there.

Aaron Jones has the ability to go out to a slot whenever. A.J. Dillon. Oh, my God. That would be fantastic. Lazard's potentially back. And then Tanyan is out for the year, though, unfortunately, right? Didn't Tanyan tell his ACL? Fuck.

So that's a bad loss for them. That's bad. Big dog's been eaten. Big dog with one hand of snack. Yeah. Green, you're the big dog. You know that? You ever think that to yourself whenever you walk past your Hall of Fame things and you're like, you know what?

I am the fucking big dog around here. You ever think that, Greeny? I do. I walk around just saying I am the big dog. I'm the Mercedes Lewis of this entire thing. That is awesome. What time do you wake up in the morning? That is awesome. What time do you wake up in the morning?

Like these days, like a quarter to five, which by my standards is pretty late. When I hosted Mike and Mike, I woke up at a quarter to four and that was really early. So a quarter to five, which to most people probably feels really early, doesn't feel quite as early to me. Draney, I want to ask this question. You can dance around it. You're an incredible speaker if you want to, but whenever Mike and Mike ended, it was huge. I mean, that's a huge deal. There was always a sense that massive drama was happening. Was there? Do you and Mike

Golick ever speak anymore? Is there ever any of that? Because you two created magic for so long. It's like Tom and Bill. You guys created a team of greatness for so long inevitably there's a chance that something could go wrong was that all blown out of proportion and what is it like now there there was not massive drama at all oh no don't you fucking say anything i have a zoom i have a zoom that i'm supposed to be on four minutes ago oh sorry about that

no no not at all. There was no massive drama. I haven't talked to him in a while, but I would be happy to. If I saw him, it would be fine. And I would say no. I appreciate how much everyone sort of, I don't know that it's still the case. For a long time, people said they missed it. And that just means that you created something that people liked and cared about.

So I'm happy for that, and I'll always feel good about it. Well, you should, and get up is awesome as well. Can't wait to see the next Hall of Fame you get into. You're late for a Zoom call. Oh, my God. All right, I got to go be the big dog. The big dog, Mike Greenberg. Yay!

Yesterday, so much chaos happened in bullshit calls and penalties and fluke plays and wild games, bars. How could somebody go 10-4 prognosticating, well, that man is a college football national champion. That man is a Super Bowl champion. He's also potentially the all-time leading tackler for one of the oldest franchises in the history of the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, Ohioan, out of Centerville, Ohio, A.J. Hawk. Yeah! 10-4, dude. I assumed I was well under.500.

Honestly, I texted Z. He told me I had a decent record this week. I thought I was well under 500. Honestly, I texted Zeke. He told me I had a decent record this week. I thought I was terrible. You did incredible. I was exactly at 500, allegedly. I mean, to be honest, my bank account doesn't say that. My bank account on FanDuel does not say that I want 500. I would like to let everybody know that I would never gamble enough

to either propel me into a new tax bracket or make me leave my current tax bracket. Sure. Okay, which is probably a good message for everybody. Probably smart. Yeah, probably smart. That's probably how it should be. But there is something about waking up on a Monday morning,

looking at your account and seeing $0.00 in there and feeling as if FanDuel just beat the fuck out of you. The reason why I think growing up I was a good test taker is because I literally viewed it as me versus the teacher. Like, hey, this is me versus you. So that's how I framed it in my mind. And I hated the teacher probably. So I wanted to dunk on them in the test. And that's how I framed it.

dunk on them in the test and that's how i framed it in this particular fashion whenever you beat somebody for uh 20 bucks 10 bucks five bucks whatever the case is it's fucking amazing it is such a for me it is a fulfilling it is glorious it is magical when somebody has to potentially hand over no matter what the sum is so whenever you lose every dollar you had in your account, which was going pretty good to FanDuel, it is, if you ride that high of enjoying it when you're taking money from FanDuel, that low on the other side, you have to feel it. And I do. It was a rough morning for me,

but if you would have been betting, and if FanDuel was legal in Ohio, the Hawks out there, the Hawkites, the Hawkers, the big, raging Hawks out there, the Hawkites, the Hawkers, the big raging Hawkers out there would have rode alongside you to massive amounts of victory in a day that was filled with chaos. 10-4, dude. Wow, AJ. Well done. Oh, AJ.

You've got to be pumped about that. How'd you know? Sure, I am pumped because it's a complete surprise for me. I was like, I think I told Zeke I thought I won four games maybe when I looked back on it yesterday afternoon, I guess. But, hey, it was a weird week, I feel like, everywhere, especially with the Bucs getting beat, all the backups. Yeah, it was a fun week of football, I think, for everybody to watch. Backups became alphas week eight NFL Sunday of the 2021 season.

That's real. You got Mike White throwing for 405 yards. First Jets quarterback in 330 games to throw for 400 yards. That's Magic Mike White Lightning. Then you obviously got Cooper Rush throwing for 300 yards in a Tud. Becomes the first quarterback to ever do that in a primetime road game. Okay, so they got stats. They got stats for everything, obviously.

But Cooper Rush, unbelievable. Mike White, unbelievable. Simeon, unbelievable. Geno Smith won a game for the Seahawks. I mean, backup quarterbacks coming in and winning is huge. And I think this is why, although I did not know who the fuck Mike White was, And I think this is why, although I did not know who the fuck Mike White was, I think this is why you have to potentially invest in at least a serviceable,

good backup quarterback in the teams that don't. I think you see in the teams that do and actually take it seriously there, it pays off for, I think, AJ. I mean, absolutely. It's a scary thing to think of when you look at some teams, if their starting quarterback goes down, like how much production of their offense goes down. But credit to these guys stepping in and being ready.

I think Sean Payton had a great, like he said something after the game. Imagine going in there and you have to prepare like you're going to start, even though you've been a backup for three or four years. And then when you're thrust in there, finally, like, oh, this is what, four years of work of sitting here and making sure I'm ready, even though I haven't gotten in like this before, to actually capitalize on that and win games, man, it's a special moment. I think Chris Collinsworth said Cooper Rush was incredibly calm in warm-ups. Cool, you know?

Almost like he expected it, which is amazing, because the mental toughness you have to have to go through everything you just described right there of every week you have to know every play. You have to know basically everybody's job. You're also coaching it, and you're getting nowhere near the same amount of reps as everybody else. But, hey, but, starting quarterback might go down. You might have to go in.

And, by the way, our entire season depends on it. Like that could happen out of nowhere. I remember when they signed Matt Hasselbeck because, you know, with Peyton it was Sorge, it was Curtis Painter. There was a couple other guys. It wasn't like they're paying money for the backup quarterback and then when luck got here they brought in Hasselbeck he was making more money than me and Vinatieri and I was like this fucking guy all right this guy does nothing this guy this guy does absolutely nothing but then you start

watching what he actually did in the way I think he was uh he I don't want to say a coach but also in the locker room like if somebody had a question and they didn't know how to frame it to Andrew, they would go to Matt and confide in Matt and be like, hey, if I want to do this, how do I do that? And watching that role as kind of locker room politician, coach, also having to be able to play and do things for the scout team, the practice team, that is a difficult position. And when your number gets called out of nowhere that happens out of nowhere you're playing in the game there's like billions of dollars on

the line there's careers on the line there's seasons on the line there's potential firings on the line and it comes out of nowhere and those boys yesterday they went out there and did the damn thing now i don't expect them to do that every single week you know they say water finds its level or whatever the case is but fucking what a great day for all think about their families their friends their communities after those games that had to be so much fun on the phone yeah i know they showed it was a cooper rush his dad in the stands right after they won like he was so excited it was cool to see and for some of these guys they may never get another opportunity like this. So to actually capitalize on it and make the best of it, yeah,

it's got to feel pretty good and keep them alive and give them another chance, hopefully. Think about their friends today at work. If they don't live in the city where the guy's the backup quarterback at, they're walking in, whatever their job is, wherever it's at. I fucking told you. Hey, did I not? I said the guy was a player. I said he just

all he needed was an opportunity. 405 fucking yards. Think about Mike White's friends. Mike White's friends who have either talked shit for him or had to go to bat for him. USF and then he goes to Western Kentucky. He's drafted by the Cowboys. Now he's at the Jets. His friends

whenever they, you know, chat about Mike White. Mike's drafted by the Cowboys. Now he's at the Jets. His friends, whenever they chat about Mike White, Mike's a fucking player, too. He's really good. He just hasn't really had his opportunity or whatever. And he throws for 4-0-5. Think about his friends like, been saying it. Been saying it. Like, what a day for them. And that happens for Cooper Rush.

That happens for Simeon. Geno Smith's people West Virginia fans have been like hey this guy he's been bounced around it didn't start out great but he's got in there that's what one day like yesterday can do for entire lives and I don't know if that ever gets talked about enough go ahead so Foxy did this morning first thing he said we walked in the office Cooper Rush East Lansing like that shit never gets talked about and happens. Like, that is a reality. 400.

Prime Sunday Night Football dude, Cooper Rush, they put out a video of Dak Prescott warming up, and everybody goes, oh, he's definitely playing. With that warm-up that he just did there, that Tom Pelissero, that seems like a guy who could play football right now. And a guy who was two weeks ago said, if this was a game, I would be playing, but then they had a bye week, and then all of a sudden,

now he's not even dressing. We're letting him get better. We're letting him heal, and we're going to roll out a creative player. Cooper Rush out here, you know, and he goes out there and does, I mean, that is just, his family had to be so fucking pumped.

His people had to be so pumped. Yeah, I mean, is just his family had to be so fucking pumped his people had to be so pumped yeah I mean ginger lightning was electric last night but also they were showing a bunch of clips of his dad too and it was cool and I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but he did throw an interception that just happened to bounce off the dude's chest and into Amari Cooper's arms on the way down on the last drive but hey you need that sometimes hey sometimes you get a good bounce yeah of course sometimes you get a terrible bounce. Yeah, of course. Sometimes you get a good bounce. Sometimes you get a terrible bounce. Yeah, and that's what happened with the Vikings.

And also the running back for the Jets actually said, hey, I told you guys, it's Mike fucking White now. Everyone knows it in his post-game press conference. Hey, Mike very game ball. You know, we only got one game ball. Mike White in there gives a speech to the crowd. Yeah. Let's just let's go.

All right. Zach Wilson, young. Ooh. Young. Has not won much at all. Now they're releasing a story that LeFleur wanted to be up in the booth, but Zach Wilson preferred him on the sideline because it was a comforting thing. And Magic Mike fucking White Lightning says,

nah, you can go up in the booth, dog. I don't need you. I was just doing the whole phone call thing and put on a headset. You're all good. That information getting out, that speech, the game ball, the New York Post saying, hey, saw a loss, Ed. Quarterback competition, possibly. Zach Wilson, we're about to learn a lot, I think,

about old Zach Wilson right now, too, amidst all of this. Because Mike White's supposed to be a backup for Zach, supposed to help Zach go, help build Zach. Hey, high draft pick, big lights here. I can do anything I can to help Zach go, help build Zach. Hey, high draft pick, big lights here. I can do anything I can to help you. And then now, if you're Mike White, justifiably so, you should potentially be thinking, should you be helping me, Randy? Yeah.

You know, that could easily creep in there, couldn't it, AJ? I mean, it can definitely get weird. So, is Zach Wilson on pace to come back next week? Do we know? I think it was two to four weeks initially. I'm going to be honest. I've been camouflaged by the white lightning so much. I have not even looked into why Zach didn't play.

Why didn't Zach play? He sprayed PCL, I think. Oh, yeah. He got carried off there. You think Flacco's and Mike White's here, too? Like, hey, fuck Zach Wilson, man. It's your team. I've been there.

I've done that. Tyrod Taylor was my backup. Think about everything he wanted to say to me when we were in the Superbowl fucking go dude magic Mike White good for him oh yeah that a boy Mike

hey this tweet from 2013 there's been a couple tweets from old magic Mike fucking White lightning from 2013 that I enjoy this one from February 23rd 2013 made me go over the top in my love and admiration for him yeah i didn't expect to talk about the suck-ass jets okay for this amount of time on this show i understand the new york market's a big one i have friends that are jets fans but that team hasn't necessarily deserved air.

Whatever being spoke about in an overreaction Monday for how long, they have stunk. Okay? Now, granted, New York, big market, I get it. If we were to talk about the Jets, the Giants, the Cowboys every single day, that would obviously build numbers because of the amount of fans. But I don't think if we, who are a truth-speaking group of people, were to speak about the Jets on a regular basis, it would be great for our show because, actually,

we would just be shitting on the Jets the entire time. And there's no reason that the Jets faithful has to hear that from us when they literally hear that from everywhere else. So I did not plan on speaking about it. Then I saw some of these tweets from 2013. I'm like, I fucking love this guy. I hate losing to rich, white, arrogant kids.

Amen. I have never heard something resonate with me more than seeing 2013 Mike White tweet this because I know exactly what had happened because Plum did this

against Fox Chapel. Fox Chapel was the school we had to play against. They had a lot of money and they did not necessarily enjoy my part of time. I was an enemy over there. Actual people with signs and painting up like me, following me.

I had to get escorted to a bus during one of the games over there. So this was a real thing. Now, I have friends from there now, I guess. Nah, not really. But I would, I think. I think it's probably a much nicer place than I had to so when I saw this from him then I read about him a little bit then I saw him say hey Bane I'm gonna break your records too I'm like all right this guy what was he 12 whenever he's putting

this out I fucking love like I love this dude even more and I just find it a very fascinating situation especially after a four hundo piece in a game against the Bengals. That defense looked dead, AJ. Should we worry about the Bengals, do you think? I don't know. I don't know if we should worry about it. I have no idea what to think with all of what's been going on. Should you worry about the Tampa Bay Bucs?

Are you worried about them? I doubt it. I don't know. Okay, so good diversion away from the Bengals, a team that has a lot of fans in your friend circle. No, I'm not saying anything bad. They're dead. They're distinct. They're dead. No, I don't think they're dead. away from the bangles a team that has uh you know a lot of fans in your friend's circle i know i'm not saying anything they're dead they're just they're dead no i don't think they're dead joe burrow is awesome i think their defense can play to high level i just have no idea what that means does that mean they're gonna win a playoff game i don't know okay so by the way we don't believe

they're actually dead we just had to say that for you to speak on the bangles there because i did want to hear what you had to say because it was fascinating because joe joe got right on the field and just do what he had to do and then you go off the field and it's almost like at that particular time you might have probably not actually with the quarterbacks i guess that you had and got to play alongside but there had to come a time yesterday where joe at one point was like hey let's get a fucking stop mike white is the name of it like at some point that had to cross his mind so I don't think they're dead either. I think we're all on the same page, but definitely a big breakout game for the Jets. Now back to the Bucs.

There's an interesting stat that I seen on Football Night in America last night or Sunday Night Football, I'm not 100% sure. Send it to Dirty to make it into a graphic. The Saints have been the absolute kryptonite for TB12 since becoming a Tampa Bay Buccaneer. In 28 games with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, against all other teams, Tom Brady is 20-4. Against the Saints, he's 1-3, the one win just being a playoff game. Against all other teams, he has 67 touchdowns. Against the Saints, he only has 8. Interceptions total in his other 24 out of 28 games played as a Tampa Bay Buccaneer.

13 interceptions against the Saints. Seven. Okay. Pick six is one against everybody else in his 24 run. Two against the Saints already. It has not been good. Maybe the Saints do something that Tom Brady doesn't fully calculate in that alien, incredible brain he has. I'm not sure what it is.

Could it be a system? Could it be a scheme, AJ? What are your thoughts? I mean, it's a little bit of everything. But, yeah, how they scheme him up, they try to confuse him, and they have really good players at the same time. Didn't Dane Orszalowski, didn't he break this down on Get Up or one of the shows, the last pick that Tom threw

and how they kind of baited him into it? No, is that what happened? I didn't see old D Dan Orszalowski. I saw him say that the Cowboys are now, after this win, the most likely to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. So that would mean that he thinks that Cooper Rush is not that good of a quarterback, that he led a very good team and is not that great. That's more impressive than the Packers beating the Arizona Cardinals without Devontae Adams,

Packers beating the Arizona Cardinals without Devontae Adams, Alan Lazard, or MVS. The undefeated Cardinals in Arizona on a short week without any players. What Cooper Rush was able to accomplish because of how bad he is with that team is now obviously a team that's going to go on a run because when Dak's in there, think about what they could be. Maybe that's right. I'm not 100% sure. But I did not see the Saints coaxing old tom brady into throwing

a pick is that is that i didn't say i don't know i don't know if he said they like they they exactly baited him but he was just showing how they were trying to confuse him and showing you know they're not showing anything pre-snap to him and then bam you take advantage of there also is a threat of pressure too all the time too on tom he knows he has to get rid of it when he's playing them yeah and there's no intania or Rob Gronkowski, which are two free agents that were brought in. They couldn't run the ball either. That was huge for them.

They couldn't really run the ball, I feel like. Yeah, more Rojo in there this year because there hasn't been much Rojo this season because playoff Lenny became Lombardi Lenny, and then that just became starter Lenny, and Leonard Fournette just became starter, and he started eating and doing very well. So there was a little bit more Rojo in there. Giovanni Bernard got some touches as well,

maybe because they needed a little bit of a scat back or whatever. Maybe act like Lewis did for Tom in New England or whatever the case goes. Let's not forget that Tom was up very late on Monday night doing the Manning cast, so that's way past his bedtime. And now quarterbacks are winless after being on the Manning Monday night football. Monday night Manning cast. Yeah. Yeah, that is a stat. That's coming out. It's like the new Madden cover. Yeah, it is. Who's on the Manning Monday Night Football cast. Monday Night Manning cast. Yeah. Yeah, that is a stat.

That's coming out. It's like the new Madden cover. Yeah, it is. Who's on the schedule tonight? Michael Irvin. I know that has happened. That was announced on first take. Okay.

Excited for that. Excited for Michael Irvin and the Mannings. I assume they have a good relationship. I assume they know each other well, and Michael Irvin will bring it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that'll be – That hasn't come out yet, though.

But you know it's going to be Strahan and Alex Smith for sure. Oh yeah, because it's all Giants cheese. Maybe Eric Stonestreet or Paul Rudd. Wild card in there. Get Rudd in there. I'll bet a good money that...

Nope, not saying it. John Hamm? Isn't he a KC guy? I'm not a hater, but the people that aren't in the sports world to come on are stink. You know what I mean? Who has not been an athlete that's come on there? No, it just has to be somebody that Peyton knows. I think they should just only put people that Peyton knows.

Yeah. You know, like Peyton knows. You shoot the shit with. Yeah, because you can obviously see the people that have a relationship with him and who do not have a relationship with him because Peyton's being told to read these questions to get them to open up. And the hope is that once they open up, then it'll become an

entire thing. And I assume Peyton does care about those answers, but there's also a game going on that Peyton studied for for the last week and a half and is watching what the offensive coordinators are doing. So it's like, I think that is just my only take. So hopefully, and Peyton's pretty big in Hollywood,

so I'd assume it is Stone Shrider who's friends with her. Well, and I don't know if they even want to go on now, because if they do go on, is their next movie or TV show going to tank? Like if Michael Irvin goes on tonight, is he going to get dunked on by Stephen A. Smith next time he goes on first take? What is currently happening? Is anybody keeping score? Who is winning?

I'm not sure. I believe they don't keep score and they just give Stephen A all the points. I'm not 100% positive. That's a cool game. That's like a round the horn. Yeah, exactly. And plus, hey. Toss out points.

If you want to win, I'll kill him in your ass and I'll get you out of here. Don't you forget it. Jesus. They had a three, four year run over there. Yeah, but he's the one that said it. Yeah, I wanted Max off the show. Sue me. That's what he said.

Yeah, but we all knew that was steven a show yeah that was his show so i i i'm watching for steven a and i think steven a knows that i think espn realized that and they had to pivot to it or whatever steven a's world's still happening no i believe it is now first take yeah okay so that has become the entire that's where the stevens a list i don't know for sure but i know that i haven't seen much promotion for Steven A's world. Well, I have seen a lot of Michael Irvin and Steven A, though.

Those are two of my favorite humans that speak on a regular basis about sports and everything like that. Is anybody keeping score over? I don't think so. Is Thibaut still on? Thibaut has been playing well. They don't let there be signs behind him anymore, which is good because obviously that did not go over too well while that was happening.

There were some mean signs. Tebow can't block I think was on there. Listen, AJ, you know what they were. I honestly don't know the signs. I'm curious. I'm surprised they let him on the air. Don't they go take those down? Well, that's the thing. It was two feet behind Tebow's thing

so we thought it was maybe going to become like a game day type situation, maybe wrestling type situation where like, hey, if you come and show up, any sign's good. Because there was three signs the first time there were signs, and they were all – Tebow, I think, was on Alabama's campus maybe or somewhere. He was on friendly territory.

And they were just, you know. They couldn't have been vulgar though, were they? No, I mean. No, they were attacking his football skill. There was a chicken, a rooster that made its way on the air on Friday night. True. I mean, there's clever ways to get signs that say things onto the air. You know, but there is always a cat and mouse game on which signs can't, hey, we can't have that be on.

That happened at game day when we were there. That happens basically every, hey, can't have that one on. All right, that. And then people flip it around. Huh? Yeah, but you're going to have to give it to me. You're going to have to rewrite that one. Okay, that's going to have to happen because we can't have them.

But there's always one or two that slip past the goalie. There's always one or two that slip past the goalie. And there was only one or two signs, and it seemed like both of them might have slipped past the goalie. I'm not 100% sure. And they didn't tell the guy to take it down. For the entire time. Tebow was on there.

Just boom. Tebow can't block right above his head. I mean, I saw that. I saw that one. Yeah, I know you did. That's why when I said when you asked, but that was fine. I understand why you keep that up. I mean, I'm sure Tebow can laugh at that.

I thought so, too. I actually appreciated Tebow for being like, oh, OK, cool. And then the next week they didn't have any signs. So I don't know if that was ESPN that made that decision or if it was Tebow for being like, oh, okay, cool. And then the next week they didn't have any and they haven't had any signs. No signs. So I don't know if that was ESPN that made that decision or if it was Tebow. But Tebow not turning around and maybe coming heel for a second and just smacking that guy right in the mouth. What if he picks that guy up and pancakes him?

Hey, line up right here. We've got a stage right here. Astro tough right here. Fucking three-point fellow. And what if he just bodied him? Then on the flip side. Uh-huh. What. And what if he just bodied him? Then on the flip side. Uh-huh.

What if that guy just dips and rips him? Sacks the quarterback right behind him. Really quick. What if he does like a fucking

shed? What if he Cobra strikes him? Like a tryout with the Jags. Nah, T-Bone would have handled that guy on that side.

For sure. Nah, I will say that guy's shoulders were very sturdy. Oh yeah, two hours. I mean, it was two two hours i don't know how sturdy everything else is but those shoulders were fantastic we got to move on let's talk about um the rams rolling aj this ram scene now they played the houston texans the texans kind of you know say pull it within 16

there in the end and we have to talk about Urban Meyer's decision-making. That guy, football IQ, might not be at the level it has to be to be an NFL coach at this point. What's wrong? What do you mean? What's wrong? He's got the brain of a peanut. I mean, so I'm not an analytics guy. I'm just a football guy, okay? I enjoy the football rules, basically, that have been created,

and I will utilize analytics as they deem fit, but football has always been a math game,. But football has always been a math game. Okay. It always has been a math game. Anytime you involve numbers, yards, for me, punting, kicking, averages, there's always been a lot of math. But if you're down 24 zip with less than two minutes left in a game, I think everybody in football with a brain goes, oh,

24 is just three scores actually with a touchdown and a two-point conversion. Because quick math tells you eight. Oh, there's one touchdown and one two-point conversion. Then another eight. Oh, another touchdown, another two-point conversion. And then guess what? Boom, another eight, another touchdown, two-point conversion. It's a tie game.

Yeah, a ball game. Hey, we score right here. We've got 146 left. We're going to have to kick it out. We'll score the two-point conversion. We'll kick the 146 left. We're going to have to kick it out. We'll score the two-point conversion. We'll kick the onside kick. We're going to have to score quick, and then maybe, you know, maybe we get another onside kick, which is next to no chance at all of happening.

But let's say it happens, and we've got to hail Mary. At least we have a shot at this whole thing. So he scores the touchdown, openly says, kick it. Like they actually have a shot of him saying, kick it, let's kick it. And I go, what the fuck? So he's just waving a white flag then. At this point, let's get out of Seattle. Let's get home.

There is a very low percentage that we're going to be able to get two onside kicks back to back. Let's not get anybody hurt. Let's just kick this extra point, kick it off, let them kneel it and go home. So he kicks the extra point. He takes the white flag, okay, out of the chop house,

and he waves that thing. All right, I am not going to try to win this. Then he kicks an onside kick immediately afterwards, and his team is probably like, you dumb fuck. We can't. Even if we get this, we can't, dude. There ain't enough. There ain't enough if we get this.

So I'm not saying his players didn't try because special teamers are trying to lay it on the line every single play. They probably saw it as an opportunity maybe to make a play or whatever. But Seattle Seahawks, the football gods said, you idiot. They just housed it. They just took it back 31-7 all of a sudden. That is a troubling thing to happen in a series of events because I think the analytics people say you're an idiot.

For me, it's like the football gods got so disgusted with what you just did, they just took that thing back to the house and then the photo of him sitting there happened. That's just – I don't want to get into it, but that is – that was unbelievable, unbelievable, AJ. Yeah, it was, and I know we have a guest on pretty shortly, right? That's already here probably. But, yeah, the scary thing for the Jags, I feel like, is that nobody –

yeah, they're talking about his decision-making, but they're just like, this point in the season, no one's going to talk about him again. That's what – like being irrelevant like that, I think, would be tough. Yeah, it would definitely stink. And I don't know if Urban Meyer will ever make him irrelevant. So sorry to interrupt, but I want to let you know that if you're not gambling with FanDuel,

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Urban Meyer, down 24, kicks the extra point, then chooses to do the onside kick. That's just classic football IQ stuff that can't happen at the NFL that happens in college. It's just one minor decision. I couldn't even fathom how many others are happening. This experiment seems to be going terrible. Bad ball, man. Just more bad ball from Erb, man.

He's been showing us even before the season started that. It's a good screenshot. His face saysicing, man. But like AJ said, man, the bigger problem is that, you know, nobody really cares at this point. Like, they're already relevant. Got Trevor Lawrence, who had the most hype since. Probably Andrew Luck coming into the draft.

And for them to be, you know, irrelevant at this point in the season right there with the piss-poor Lions. It's bad, man. Well, the Lions are losing so bad that you have to talk about it. The Jaguars are just littered with so many stupid things that you kind of have to talk about it. But let's chat. You just said Trevor Lawrence, he's probably going to disappear for the next couple years.

Who knows how they figure that out. Maybe they bring him back into prominence. Zach Wilson, number two overall pick. This guy at BYU had an incredible pro day. He goes to New York. That was kind of just an assumed thing. There wasn't even much conversation about it. It was like, Joe Douglas, Bob Sala, the Jets organization, they like Zach Wilson.

He's number two overall. Don't even ask any questions. This was above Justin Fields, who has some flash plays. Oh, yeah. Can't wait to see how the Bears handle that entire thing. I mean, that's going to be an entire conversation in and of itself. But Zach Wilson, now with Magic Mike fucking White Lightning dude over there, have you ever seen backup quarterbacks do what they did?

And if you're a Jets fan or in the Jets organization or a teammate of Magic Mike fucking White Lightning, what are your thoughts right now with Zach Wilson only a couple bad games into this whole thing and not cemented legacy at all, D-Bud. Yeah, I mean, what the backup quarterbacks did as a whole this weekend, probably not, I mean, you've seen one of them happen, but that Mike White performance against the Bengals,

which I'm sure that fucked up a lot of parlays. All of them. Yesterday. But for him to come out and throw for 400, man, that was, and it wasn't like, you know, a fluky 400. That's not a bad Cincinnati Bengals defense either. So, it was impressive. You know, Zach Wilson obviously hasn't been playing well.

He's still, you know, he drafted guy number two. He's going to get more than enough chances. So, I don't think there will be any real quarterback controversy there. But Mike White, man, if he comes out and stacks it with another one and maybe another one now, now you're talking something different. But shout out to Mike, man. He's from down here in South Florida too. I didn't know he was a South Florida boy.

Mike White, yeah, of course. It makes sense. Let's go. Okay, it makes sense actually. Go ahead, AJ. Hey, D, but I know the news just broke, but Vaughn Miller traded to the Rams. What are they going to be now? Like how do you score points on these guys?

I mean, they were already rolling. Now you add Von Miller, who's, you know, not the same Von Miller he was five years ago. But he's still a top-tier pass rusher, especially up there with 99 with Aaron Donovan in the mix. And, I mean, I love it, man. This is the Rams going all in. You saw the Chiefs do it. You saw the Bucs do it last year. And this is them going all in.

I think the Broncos are paying most of the money. Second and third round pick, I think. That's insane that the Broncos are paying the $7.9 or $9 million, whatever it is, and then it's only a second and third round pick for Von Miller. There had to be 30 other fan bases that are going, what the fuck, dude? This is the price to do a business down in the NFL. But I love it, man.

Fuck those picks, man. I got Paul Miller. I know who this dude is. Me too. Jared Donald, Ramsey, all in defense. You know the offense is going to score points week in and week out. So now if you can get a guy who can just get an extra stop or maybe a strip sack that turns the season around, man,

I love it from the Rams. All in. Blow it up. Blow it up later. All in right now. Hey, love it for Matthew Stafford, too, who did hard time in detroit oh yeah hard time hey congrats and thank you matthew this is good for you they're going all in how about tennessee titans we found out this morning are going to be without derrick henry who makes up like 79 of their offense of course this comes after beating the indianapolis

colts twice great thanks thanks Thanks. Thanks, dude. Appreciate that. So we don't have to talk about Carson Wentz being an absolute maniac, emotional rollercoaster every single play. I mean, we could. But also with the Titans, what do you think they do from here? This is devastating for them. It is.

It is devastating. I mean, they're a 6-2 ball club, and they beat some. I know early in the season I thought Seattle was a good team. They beat Seattle, went out and beat Buffalo, kansas city when they were five and a half point dogs and then went out and beat the colts for a second time you know got fully in the driver's seat at afc uh south division now you lose you know it's not even arguably your best player one of the best players you know in the nfl um he is that offense pretty much if they're not handing the ball to him they're faking it to him. They're putting him in the screen game.

A.J. Brown has been coming along and having some big games. He'll need to continue to do that. Julio Jones will have to get healthy. And now we'll see how far Ryan Tannehill can take the Titans. At least I feel like they're in a good position to win a division. Sounds bad to Colts fans, obviously, but I think they'll win that. They'll get the playoffs. But, I mean, but I think they'll win that and get the playoffs. But, I mean, who knows what they'll do.

I'm not taking Ryan Tannehill over the other guys that'll probably be there, but we'll see. He can prove us wrong. Colts fans can't hear anything you're saying right now because their heart monitor thing is going on. Every single play with Carson is live or die. I apologize. Go ahead, AJ. Oh, man. Hey, so what about the Patriots? I know

you played for Belichick, and they find a way to beat the Chargers when Mac Jones doesn't even have a great game. What does Bill do? They always say, oh, Bill's so good at exploiting matchups and finding a way to shut offenses down. What does he do different from other coaches? The biggest thing he

does is it's like a completely different game plan every week like depending on what that team does and i know a lot of people say it but i mean that's nobody else really does that in nfl why why not it's too many moving parts you know and that's a big reason why you know the patrons and support for them to draft you know smart players and players that because when they when they adjust they adjust the whole damn. And it's hard to do because people put in the system. You only have so many hours in a building. You only got so many people that are really going to be pros

and come into that building with something more than a coach has given them. So when you're a new Patriot, like, you can be put on the spot at any time. So they can change and completely morph their game plan week in and week out. And that's why you can get away with doing some of these things. Took advantage of Herbert last year as a rookie. I expected Herbert to bounce back and have a good game against him this week. But

I mean, like you said, find a way to get a win with Mac Jones. I mean, with Mac Jones, they didn't have his best day. I mean, that was some impressive shit by Bill Belichick. And those DBs too. Herbert went out there and got two picks. Big time players. And Herbert, we don't know what went out there and got two picks. Big-time players. Hey, and Herbert, we don't know what's going on with them right now after the last two games they've had.

Two losses. They started out hot, but they have obviously taken two devastating losses. Let's go back to that Patriots defense thing. This could lead what you just talked about there with drafting smart players and having to adjust at any time, and you could change it at any – is that why – a couple things here. Is that why any player that gets released from the Patriots gets picked up somewhere else immediately? Because everybody's like, okay, if they're smart enough to be a Patriot

and athletic enough in our eyes to be there, they're definitely good here. We can get at least some information. I mean, it's also – is that why the Belichick coaching tree is so fucking terrible? Because if you don't have the ability to scout the players and find out who the players are that can do exactly what you were doing in New England,

that probably seems like a pretty big discrepancy in why you're good or why you're not good, right? Because that's an onus on the intelligence and the effort and the type of player that you bring in there, right? And if you go somewhere else and that isn't there, it's probably difficult just to put your own shit in there, right? I mean, it's very important,

but let's not get it twisted. You know, Belichick, they have Brady for 20 years too. So it's easier to, because football, you know, you have 65 players on defense, 60 of them are going to be you know back and forth and it's going to be five or six plays that change the game so situational football is kind of where they do their you know so it may give up a bunch of yards but scoring defense

third down uh you know creating turnovers things like that that's where they really change the game but yeah if you can learn that uh that new england shit you can go anywhere and learn any system because you're forced to learn like like, all the football, not just chapter one, chapter, like, you're forced to learn all of it, not only just defensively, even offensively. How are these guys attacking us? What do these guys do well? Who are the different coaching trees, different things like that?

So it definitely pays dividends when you get into games. Go back to the Atlanta Super Bowl when they were down 28-3. They went back, changed some things. All right, let's do this differently. Kill this on the outside run. Let's change this, change that. And then you end up with a Super Bowl ring because of it. So it's situational football.

Those got to have the situations. Atlanta, that sucks. Hey, what about tonight, Monday night football? Chiefs are playing the Giants. The Giants' defense has played pretty well at times. What do you think is going to happen tonight? And if the Chiefs struggle, let's say the Chiefs don't win this one, then what happens?

They're dead. They're dead. If they lose this one, they're dead. I mean, I feel like. Whoa. Great setup here. You know, they had, you know, Honey Badger and Hitchens, they were going at it with the fan base that came out, kind of apologized.

That's never. Players, any players don't ever go at it with the fan base. It's always going to be a losing battle. Nah. Nope. Unless they deserve it. Nah. Not your fans. Opposing fans, you can tell another team you own them.

You know, you're 22 and 5 against this team. You can tell them that, but you never want to go at it with your own fans. I told, to be clear, I told a Colts fan to eat shit one time. It went viral, and it was after we won a game against somebody, and Chuck was happy and glowing and this guy said, you guys just won a very basic game or whatever. And I forget his name. I said, hey. He probably beat the Jaguars. Yeah. Hey Joe or whatever his name is. Dot, dot, dot.

Eat shit. I forget what it was. And the Colts fans loved it. So I guess you could kind of, I guess you're about, yeah, but you're right. Anytime it turns into the players. That's one person though, Pat. You're going after one person. You're not going after the whole fan base like these guys tweeting. Valid. Anytime it turns into the players. That's one person, though, Pat. You're going after one person. You're not going after the whole fan base like these guys tweeted. Valid. Anytime the players feel that jaded,

I'd assume shit is potentially going a little bit sideways. But you're right. You shouldn't attack entire fan bases. That are your fans. But they cleared it up. Even though he was in a bad spot mentally, shit got to him and he cleared it up. But I think the Chiefs, it's my last time.

They're dead to me if they don't win tonight. I got them winning tonight. I even got them covered 10 points. But, I mean, fade me this week. Hey, the only person that matters is the guy I fucking... $0.00 this morning

in the account. It's a long one. That guy over there won 10-4 this week thus far. Oh, shit. Yeah. AJ. I don't know how the hell he did it. Nobody knows. I don't even know. He didn't know that he won 24. He thought he was terrible. But this guy can't bet because

Fandle isn't allowed in Ohio yet. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go, Ohio. Florida? Yeah, Florida. Let's go. Imagine all the centervillians that would ride with

A.J. Hawk and potentially go into the holiday a little bit happier. It's unbelievable. Last question for me before I think the boys might have one or two for you, D-Butt. We can't thank you for your time. You got the Chiefs minus 10.5 tonight. Okay, we'll see. Patrick Mahomes seems like a devastated dude in the back of all those TikToks

that we have seen in the last couple of days. Half a billion dollars coming to the family. Fucking relax. Got a half a billion dollars coming to the family. Take it easy. Just live your life. Come on. Anyways, a half a billion dollars.

So hopefully he comes out and dominates or whatever. But Tom Brady, we had a stat that came up via Football Night in America, Sunday Night Football. Tom Brady is terrible against the Saints as a buck. Why do you think that is? Is there anything?

AJ said the schemes that they run, but also they have incredible players. But the stats are crazy. He's 1-3 versus the Saints. He's 20-4 against all others in his 28-game run. He has seven interceptions in the four games against the Saints. He has 13 in the other 24. I mean, the Saints have some. Is that real, you think?

And what could that be against a Tom Brady-led offense that the Saints could be feasting on? I mean, they got something, even in the playoffs. I know Brady got the win, but they played well against him there. I don't know. They had Breeze on the Manning cast. He was one of the good guests that came on there, and he was talking about – well, actually, he didn't have his –

he was two minutes behind on the stream. But he was talking about, I think, Dennis Allen's defense and kind of the different things that he brings to play. And like A.J. said, the players that it has. Demario Davis, man, he's one of the best linebackers. Arguably the best off-ball linebacker in the league right now. He's playing not only on the field, but you can tell by his leadership. Having Malcolm Gingas back

there. Lattimore's been strapping all year. P.J. Williams, who got the pick six to seal it when people were saying, take a knee, the game's over. Anytime you get a chance to pick six, Brady, you take that bitch to the crib. Good players mixed with a good scheme, man. They're doing it.

I mean, they got a Super Bowl-caliber defense, for real. Offense, obviously losing Jameis. Simeon came in, played decent, got the win. We'll see if they make a move there. But that defense, I mean, that's a special defense. You think Drew Brees, huh, yesterday, as soon as he saw Jameis' knee go sideways? Oh, yeah. And then he saw Simeon come in and make these check down throws that he could

definitely still make. He's fucking licking his... I bet you he was licking his hand. Oh yeah. Breed is getting after it right now. He's pushing the slayer right. He's doing something right now. He's getting a Russell Wilson

drive in right now. In whatever field he's got his crib. He's in the huddle right now. With his kids. And then with his kids, then with his kids one for me two for dad three i'm mad no i'm sad oh i'm glad oh i'm back oh i'm true oh i'm new yeah that could be that really could be what he's doing right now see if he's still got it or not because it's not just on the field it's potentially off field drew too coming back in there imagine he goes in that locker room i'll tell you what did you see a speech he gave to purdue he gave he gave the purdue boiler makers a pre-game speech that might have been seven minutes long but it was captivating it had everybody the entire time and ended with uh here we go i mean if drew could get back out there with sean payton's offense this

year with that super bowl caliber defense you're saying. And Kamara, is Kamara still on the game? Oh, yeah. Drew knows he can just up. Got Ingram back. 2,000 a game. What's that? Ingram's back. Oh, he loves Ingram. Oh, Drew. What's his name? Should be coming back in the next couple weeks too, right?

Who's that? Taysom. No. Michael. Mike. Yeah, Mike Thomas. Because he's got Jameis getting on the thing. Oh, and Drew. Here we go. Oh my God. Think about how much

stronger he is with that hair now. Oh, he's growing stronger. Drew Brees with the hair, dude. It's gold.

Fuck you. Hey, Simeon, you better fucking keep working, dude. Simeon, you better be watching

all the films. Hey, hold up. Real quick, speaking of hair, Friday, man, hey, the amount of grit you and the boys showed on Friday to just have the fucking blinders on and give us a fucking fantastic Halloween special show, I mean, hats off to you guys.

That was some good work. That was some great work, fellas. Day, we obviously appreciate it. Thank you, D. The massive applause. Thank you, D-Buck, by the way. You're the best. good work that was some great work fellas day we we obviously appreciate the the thank you the massive applause thank you debuff by the way you're the best that's very nice of you to even watch the show because you know i assume that could be very difficult for some people to do but there was 40 000 people watching at one point and there was full panic right behind the camera

i mean it was unbelievable looking back zito had his entire Zito Ross, Bob Ross costume off, sweating. His hair was going in hilarious ways. He was on the phone, and then his head would go down, and then it would come up, and then it would look, and then he'd get up and walk away. That was happening like six, seven times every ten minutes right behind the screen. And Foxy's just sitting with one joystick, zero control over anything.

You boys, to Darius Butler's point, you guys absolutely crushed it, dude. Thank you, D. Thank you, D. Thank you, D. CC, sports abbies. I don't know if that's the one. How about old Dumpy Cash? He about to make me start watching Yellowstone, too, man.

I got to give it a shot. Michelle returns This week I think Hey Rip Wheeler Fucking will kill some people Hell yeah Tone by the way We did think there was a chance

You were just gonna become That guy every single day Cause you look so good On Friday Yeah Everybody I think everybody And the internet is not

Usually on the same page I think everybody was like Hey Tone Is this the new dude Every day I just need the sunglasses I'm really already there. You don't have the backbone for that.

Whoa! That's unbelievable. Go ahead, Tone. D-Butt, your college roommate, Dano, said that, I don't know if he was your roommate, but he said that the Cowboys are the best team in the NFC right now. Do you agree with that sentiment?

And also, do the Vikings fucking stink? Well, primetime Kirk stinks. We all know that. I actually thought, I mean, I had the Vikings winning that game without Dak. I thought the Vikings had been playing well this year. Kirk had been playing well. That was a very, I'm usually not on board with all of Dan's reactions.

You know, who knows what it will be tomorrow. It will be the best team. But that was a very, very impressive win by the Cowboys. Go out there and get an ugly win with your backup quarterback. Cooper came in there, ball, Zeke. The defense played, you know, phenomenal, especially against those weapons. So that was a very impressive win. Topping the NFC.

The NFC is loaded, man. You got the Rams who just got Vaughn now. You got Green Bay who's ran off seven wins. You got the Cardinals who just barely lost. I mean, I can't crown them just yet, but they're up there. Hey, we got a great NFL season with a lot of great teams. Some teams completely have shit the bed and are no longer really in conversation, but there are some teams certainly making a run for it.

Tonight, we could see the Chiefs get back into that conversation and go the complete opposite direction. We can't thank you enough for joining us. Host of the Man to Man podcast, which goes live at 11 a.m. on some days at their YouTube. He and Antoine Bethea and everything DB. We can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Cotter.

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