The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 530 - Aaron Rodgers Tests Positive For Covid, Out Sunday Vs. Chiefs, Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Ian Rapoport, Matt "Cass Dog" Cassel, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ, and the boys chat about the breaking news that Aaron Rodgers has tested positive for Covid and will not play Sunday against the Chiefs, as well as all the backlash and drama surrounding the situation, Odell Beckham Jr. trying to force his way out of Cleveland and being told to go home from practice today, and much more. Joining the show to chat about the Rodgers situation and all the different things he's hearing around the league is NFL Network Insider and former host of the Rapsheet and Friends Podcast, Ian Rapoport (43:06-1:02:21). Later, Coach Chuck Pagano joins the program for Coach Us Up Chuck to chat about the Rodgers situation and how Matt LaFleur might play that situation, how difficult it is addressing a situation like Henry Ruggs in Las Vegas, Dan Campbell potentially losing the locker room in Detroit, and much more (1:02:23-1:37:23). Later, 14 year NFL veteran at Quarterback, The Cass Dogg, Matt Cassel joins the show to chat about how the Packers will rally around the Rodgers situation, he unveils his latest power rankings, chats about what the life cycle of a backup Quarterback in the NFL is like, and more (1:39:29-1:56:08). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello. It is Wednesday, November 3rd, 2021. Normally coaches up Chuck Wednesday, but I'll tell you what today, some massive news broke moments before we went live. And today's a good one. I think Matt Castle stops by Chuck Pagano stops by AJ Hawk is here. Okay. A lot to talk about. Obviously he knows some stuff. Or does he? And all the boys crushing it. If by the end of the show you enjoy it, please be a friend and tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened.

Let's get to it. Good afternoon, beautiful people. It is... That Son of a Bitch Isn't Vaccinated Wednesday. November 3rd, 2021. This show begins now! Yeah! Boys, you're here?

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. You're here on Sirius XM Channel 82 Mad Dog Sports Radio. And you're watching at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee Show. And today is certainly a fascinating day that will be talked about in this show's history for sure. Today, you know, as we were watching along the other sports shows, Stephen A. Smith talked about my tank top usage and said,

hey, he's a fan and I appreciate the hell out of him. Then he went on to talk about how on SmackDown he appreciates what I do on there. He likes it, which, by the way, really cool. I love Stephen A. I think everybody knows that I enjoy Stephen A. He says he's not wearing tank tops. I do wear tank tops on Friday Night SmackDown. He kind of attacked me for that a little bit. And I appreciate the fact that he would like me to dress a little bit

better, but I can't help it, Stephen A. I just feel a lot better in a tank top whenever I'm talking about sports. And I appreciate what you do in a suit. But that's how the day started. Right. And I thought it was, you know, that was cool. We're going to have a good conversation about it. Hey, the Braves won the World Series!

Yay! Baseball. There it is, however. Hey, congratulations out there, old Freddie Freeman. Yeah. That boy, young Jock Peterson. That's right. Yeah, and also Jorge Soler.

Yeah, Soler. That guy fucking bombs balls, dude. That's right. That was going to be talked about. Okay? Odell Beckham Sr. leading to Odell Beckham Jr. potentially being excused from practice in the building today, although Odell Beckham Jr. wanted to go to practice.

Odell Beckham Jr. getting released from the Cleveland Browns today? Potentially. That would have been big news. Michael Thomas, holy shit. IR. Rest of the year, he had something flare up in his rehab for the surgery that he had that he thought he could potentially rehab his way through and not have to do a surgery, which ended up leaking into the season.

Him getting surgery, Sean Payton being pissed about it, Michael Thomas, though, still being a teammate, being around, saw him hug Jameis Winston this past weekend. Now it's come out that a hiccup has occurred. They have to do surgery again. He's out the rest of the year. Michael Thomas not coming back to the Simeon-led Saints, potentially Drew Brees-led Saints,

Phillip Rivers-led Saints, Taysom Hill-led Saints. Or who's that old quarterback for the Notre Dame? Jimmy Clawson. Ian Book. Ian Book-led Saints, whatever it is. Michael Thomas, one of the best wide receivers. Not him.

Jimmy Clawson, no. Jimmy Clawson's a hell of a player. Hey, another day, he was a hell of a player. That's right. I saw Jimmy Clawson at a Super Bowl party one time. Jimmy Clawson has good time. Jimmy Clawson was out doing it. Great.

I don't doubt it. Not him, but that's big news. Michael Thomas, top five wide receiver in the NFL. Whenever he's playing, not being in for the rest of the season. That's huge news. Chuck Pagano's joining us today for a conversation. Coach is up, Chuck. That's huge news. Cast dog, Matt Castle of the season. That's huge news. Chuck Pagano's joined us today for a conversation. Coach is up, Chuck. That's huge news.

Cast dog, Matt Castle's coming on the show. That's huge news. Today was littered with huge news. Not normally on Wednesdays does that happen. You wake up and you say, hey, you've got to talk about sports today to some people for three hours, three and a half hours. And you wake up, you go in the shower, and you think, well, what the fuck am I going to talk about today? What matters

today? There are some Wednesdays, even in the middle of the greatest league of all time having its season in the NFL, you think, oh, there ain't shit really to talk about. The well has run dry. That's right. From the previous week, but the next week's too far ahead. Can't talk about Thursday night, really. Well, this week

we could, because Colts-Jets, I guess, will be a big deal because it might be in the building. Wow. I wonder if that'll help the same game parlay fucking hit for the first time. Hey, come on now! Give the ball a head-off! But normally some Wednesdays are like that. Not today.

This Wednesday had a lot of news. Nice day. It was a great day. I was having a good time. Somehow we're only six minutes into this show. Yeah. I thought it was 15. I really thought that was going to carry out a long time. Some news came out of nowhere.

Literally, just like 20, 30 minutes, however long ago it was. It has taken over all of sports conversation in just wait. It's going to dive into that real-world conversation real quick because the current reigning, defending, undisputed MVP of the NFL, a man who has a segment on this show every single Tuesday that dives deep into the human that is Aaron Rodgers a little bit more than we had heard in the past,

which is absolutely nothing. We knew nothing about Aaron in the past. That's why the first time I actually got a chance to meet him in person and we were forced to kind of sit in the same area and there were some cocktails and we had a conversation. I'm a genuinely curious person and I'm not really scared of many people, so I start asking questions like,

hey, and then as he's telling me all this shit, I'm like, wow, you're like a pretty fascinating guy. I've only heard terrible things about you. We, you should let the people know that. And he told us, I kill him with indifference. I don't talk. You never hear him really speak about anything ever pitch the idea of Aaron Rogers Tuesday. Hey, how'd you feel about this? Come on, chit chat. You know, maybe we answer some stuff and, and talk about stuff. And I think it would be cool at this stage of your career, your legacy is already cemented. Maybe people learn about you a little bit. That was the pitch.

Like, hey, maybe people learn about you a little bit. He agreed very nicely. And it has become what I think a lot of people would call a smashing success. Yeah, that's right. You can say that. Lucky to have A.J. Hawk there. A.J. is a close confidant I believe to Aaron Rodgers and we'll talk to AJ in about 52 minutes we'll talk to AJ in 52 minutes about it all but having AJ

and having you guys in the atmosphere in the environment and the conversations just the things that we're able to talk about because we don't have to abide by a code by the FCC on what you can talk about, how you can talk about, when commercial breaks are. We were able to dive deep into almost everything at this point and then talk about things in the game that happened, maybe with a little bit higher football IQ questions because A.J. was both a teammate of his, saw him behind the scenes, also knows the game very well and the offense.

I mean, it's just like maybe we're able to get things out of him that some people aren't able to, and maybe he's more comfortable to chit-chat with us than he is anywhere else, and we're very, very lucky for that. And I don't always assume that that's going to be a great conversation on Tuesdays, by the way. I have no idea. I don't go into the game expecting anything.

I'm like, I have no idea where this is going to go. I have no idea how it's going to go. I have no idea how it's going to go. I think there's been a couple weeks that people have, you know, thought to be a little bit more entertaining or interesting or insightful than others. And I completely agree with you because I literally have no expectations when we go in there. But what I didn't ask, you know, and a lot of these come, Diggs, keep it down. All right. How did you pop in the fucking microphone?

People are, the reason why Diggs laughed there is because there was quite a conversation about how we will address this entire situation. Because believe it or not, immediately upon the Aaron Rodgers news coming out that he tested positive and he was immediately ruled out of the Chiefs game. And everybody was like, how, how, how, how, why is he already ruled out? Why is he already ruled out of the Chiefs game. And everybody's like, how is that? Why is he already ruled out? Why is he already ruled out? Well, then Palisaro and others come out

and they're like, well, he's not vaccinated. So then you go back, you know, in time a little bit. And he was asked about this and he said he was immunized. Immunized? Immunized.

He was immunized and then moved on. And I think everybody just okay that word's above my head so i'm gonna google it and then you google it there's actually a cdc entire definition thing in there in the way the wording is there is reason i think why people potentially didn't ask a follow-up whenever he said immunized because there was a chance that people that didn't ask the follow-up question thought they were going to get dunked on for being too dumb, dumber than Aaron Rodgers is very smart, I think. So whenever he said he was immunized, which I think by the definition, and I have reached out to him to come on the show.

I have reached out. He always, he has an open-door policy. I think he knows that. I would assume that he has answers for all the questions that are being asked. The immunized question that's going on. The non-vaccinated question that's going on. But maybe him, he's not wearing a mask. Whenever other people are wearing masks, if they're not vaccinated, there has to be a reason. There has to be a reason for all of it.

You would assume that there has to be something. I have no idea what it is because if it isn't something, then the NFL is going to get it. Hey, the NFL is going to get attacked because I see Carson Wentz wearing a terrible mask that he doesn't even know every single day. And I'm like, okay, I understand we all got a mask 101. Maybe advanced course at this point. Yeah.

It was like the M89. We started knowing about literally the different masks, which ones are good, which ones are not, how you wear them, how you don't wear them. And Carson, I think in the midst of moving around, he has that mask. It's very obvious he has that mask. I mean, it is big. It is huge.

Lamar Jackson, I think, has to wear it. He has been able to. I think there's other players that have to do it. So if he's immunized, okay, but he's being viewed as non-vaccinated, so these are all questions that I think are very valid questions that a lot of people have. And I would like to add, I'm sure there has to be some sort of answer. I don't know if it's going to be one that's going to call him down. It is hot in the kitchen.

Yeah, very hot in the kitchen. It is hot in the kitchen of the Twitter right now. And the only reason why I know that is because I'm getting buried alongside of him like I fucking gave him a cup of water. Although our production looks amazing, I am in Indianapolis. Right.

Whenever you see the screen. Okay. Aaron's actually, I think he's in Green Bay. Right. Wisconsin. It's a long way away. Think about this. The other guy on the screen, Ohio. Uh-huh. Three Green Bay. Right. Wisconsin. It's a long way away. Think about this. The other guy on the screen, Ohio.

Three different states. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, three different states. So I'm nowhere near him. I did not give him COVID. Although there were some people that were joking about that. There were some people that thought that was real.

And I was starting to get some tweets that it was my fault that Aaron Rodgers got COVID. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But then there was people that were pointing out something had happened this weekend that we did address and we did talk about. That was fantastic. That John Wick costume was unbelievable. Great. Halloween party. Had that hair, had the whole Halloween party.

Now everybody's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The protocols of the NFL, which, by the way, COVID's still a thing. Yeah, absolutely. COVID's still a thing. Yeah, absolutely. Even though you see stadiums of 100,000 people plus packed out, COVID is still a very real thing. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

On the same platform that people are attacking Aaron right now, which, by the way, valid because he's in the NFL. These are the rules by the NFL. You've got to abide by the NFL. You're lucky to be in the NFL. It's a privilege, not a right to be in the NFL. But I'm just saying a lot of people have promoted gatherings, you know what I mean? And actually put them on TV and like promote, like, hey, we need like a thousand, 50s, whatever the number of people to come in for it. Now it's like, well, hold on.

I think the reason why people are kind of separating the stadiums that are filled and the parties that are happening and the life that seems to be going on in the post-COVID era, in the NFL, there's protocols. This is just like when

Sha'Carri Richardson tested positive for weed. Everybody on earth said, this is stupid. It is stupid. You talk to Usain Bolt, though. Bolt told us directly, like, hey, when you just know that that's just how it is. Like, hey, if you want to run, you want to be in the Olympics, like, this is how it goes. If you want to be in the NFL, these are the rules that they set. So all the questions that are being asked in the rules that are set by the NFL are strictly so that no games will be postponed because then $77 million is potentially out of Jerry Jones' pocket if a game gets postponed

because I think when they set these rules, they didn't know where the world was going to be with COVID still, where things are still going to be getting canceled, where stadiums are still going to be getting canceled, where stadiums are still going to be potentially empty. There was potentially an Alta Beta Delta Gamma variant that was going to be coming four months down the road whenever these protocols were put into place. But whatever the case is, these are the protocols to be in the NFL.

So this is what you've got to abide by. And I can't wait to hear, and I assume at some point we will, why or how that ended up getting around all that but he still has to do the 10 day thing but he didn't have to do the mask thing there's just so many there's so many contradicting questions I think a lot of people have

and there's going to be a lot of opinions out there that are going to beautifully illustrate every one of those just like the whole vaccine conversation to begin with i'm vaccinated i got covid on top of it so i think i have like super duper antibodies at this point mega which is sweet but i've said since the beginning first of all if you're coming to our show to learn anything about anything going on in the real world especially with your life you're fucking wrong yeah. Yeah, get out. Make a mistake.

Big one. I've heard some other people that potentially speak about things that they should not speak about, and I think to myself, why are they speaking about that? They should shut the fuck up. Because somebody gets popular in this particular avenue, and then, oh my god, wait a minute, because I'm really good at this, I know everything about all this shit.

It's like, we are not that. No. Okay, we are a sports show but what i observe and reported uh which is basically what this show is is just my viewings and then reporting and then the boys either telling me i'm dumb or the way i got the vaccine okay okay hey but the people that are super and then the by the way the people that are not for the vaccine hey saving the world okay both these people are saving the world and i don't want to be somebody that is supposed to be you know a, a role model or whatever. Get vaccinated is what a lot.

But then you'll hear a doctor come out and say, well, it depends on who you are, how you got. There's just so much bullshit that it's hard to filter through, especially when you come with something that you feel as if you're potentially saving the world with. I just don't know if this is ever going to end i have no idea how this is ever going to end and right now with aaron rogers now the mvp of the nfl it's not only coming out in sports fans like and we'll get to ty in a second who's a packers fan packers owner and how this affects the packers chiefs game going forward and jordan loves about to play how's that going to go he He's not back until next Friday because that's 10 days or Saturday or whatever. So that whole thing. But the politicians are going to go from both sides.

Yeah. Fans are going to go from both sides. Packers fans are going to be upset from both. I mean, it's just, this is a wild situation. And here we are just living dead square in the middle of it i guess yeah and i think like a part of the implication too like you mentioned all the stuff with like uh him not wearing a mask in the building on the sidelines or anything so then a lot i see a lot of people saying on twitter like well then the packers knew and if the nfl finds out there's going to be some

major fines and like you know they might strip them of some draft picks and stuff like that but like you said like now once it becomes political it sucks because like especially on twitter like there is no rational conversation or anything it's just the the people who disagree with him the people who you know think like hey you know he made a choice or whatever but but that's the thing is like we do need to just kind of hear from him because yeah when it's something like this type of issue like people people aren't going to wait to get their opinion and their story everybody else is telling this story right exactly so for instance rob domofsky uh via kevin seifert's espn rob domofsky writes rogers petitioned the nfl to have an alternate treatment that he underwent before he returned

to the packers that would allow him to be considered the same as someone who received one of the approved vaccinations sorry sorry sources told ESPN after a lengthy back and forth the league ruled that Rodgers would not get the same consideration and would be considered unvaccinated okay so then how did some of the rules that are I mean it is this is a hilarious thing just from just from looking from the sky there just the outside zoomed out view the MVP

goes how about this hear me out I want to do this I want to be treated like this and they're like no and he's like I'm doing it. That is fucking, that's wild. Like there, there has to be some sort of clarification. Now, will these stories continue to, that just got tweeted out just a minute ago. So there's just

things starting and that's how new this entire story is. So you would think that Aaron would want to now that obviously sounds incredibly selfish too and i understand that because if aaron was to come on here and chat right now who knows how large it would be right and we are he he should get on an ig live then he should if he would we would be honored to have that conversation with him as we get to have every single tuesday but he should at least i think explain some of the stuff that's going to be coming, because that's just the start of it. I mean, and once you get the, I mean, think about the political world gets involved in this. Yeah, exactly. And they're already dabbling, right, with the email

investigation. And I don't know how beloved politics is right now. So they could potentially see something to go and get involved and be like, hey, look, we're doing the world a favor here. There's going to be something from the political world that's going to happen. And once somebody They could potentially see something to go and get involved and be like, hey, look, we're doing the world a favor here. There's going to be something from the political world that's going to happen. And once somebody gets, let's assume Rogan, right? Rogan is going to probably talk about this. If Rogan talks about this or does anything like it, this is going to be, I mean, even bigger.

This is only going to grow, I think. So if you're Aaron, who's not able to get to the building, right? Ten days and he has to be secluded. Yeah. At some point he has to tell his story, I think. That just seems like smart money to me. I don't know. Especially with the vaccine. To your point, there's two sides that both think they're right.

Saving the world. Saving the world, yeah. No matter what, for the next ten days while Rodgers is out, people are going to be picking him up and putting him down on Rodgers and on the vaccine. Why did he pick him up and put him down? Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Mother fucker.

It's crazy. It is absolutely insanity. Hopefully, he'll reach back out to us. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to hear from him. Hopefully, he'll tweet or do whatever he does. This is an insane situation, and I can't wait to hear about it all because there is going to be a story to be told. There are a lot of them already coming out right now. Yeah, exactly.

Florio. I mean, he put together. Oh, my my god the words he put together yeah oh my god this is his time oh my god i mean there is there is stories coming at this point and it's just the timing of it but there's a lot of reasoning for it though oh yeah for sure there's a lot there's a lot of reasoning for it. Because a lot of people are saying that immunized word. Like that video has just been, pump, pump, pump, pump. Let's put this video out. And then the Halloween thing just happening. And then, you know, the NFL probably is not on his side in this thing.

Because the NFL is probably upset about the entire situation. I mean, it is hot in the kitchen at the Rogers house right now. And hopefully it doesn't come to that. But that's kind of what I was thinking. What happens if the other shoe drops and a bunch of other guys test positive for this week and then we're in a similar situation? I mean, just how bad this could potentially get. Hopefully it doesn't go that way.

COVID is still a thing. COVID is still very much a thing. In the NFL. Yes. Yeah, the Giants got a Baker's Dozen today. And no one's talking about it. 13 tested positive on the New York Giants. I'm running back, Coach. Hey, Halloween's tough to stay away

from. It is. It's so much fun. The whole team, the family gets to go. This is why we can't have Christmas. This is what Fauci was saying. That's true. Fauci was saying, hey, you want to have those football games on December 26th? Won't be meeting with the family on Jesus' birthday, pal. I bet Fauci would say, hey, you want to have those football games on December 26th? Want to be meeting with the family on Jesus' birthday, pal?

I bet Fauci comes out to play within the next— No, he's not. He's not able to right now. Oh, this might help him out a little bit. No, I don't think Fauci's ever— Believe me, I love Beagles, too. I'm just saying. I feel as though Fauci will come out and say what I say. Who is the—it's basically everybody, right, is now against?

Fudge? No. The expert? Yeah, who is the expert? Me, you. No, Diggs. I don't think – Mad Dog?

Dr. Alan Stills. Alan Stills from the NFL. Because Fauci has been ruled out. I tell. He was – just a couple weeks ago, he was the authority. Hey, give us the answers, this one person. By the way, this one person. And then all of a sudden it comes up,

oh, maybe not great. Okay, so he just, well, let's go ahead and get rid of him. Who's the new one? Because I would assume the new expert is going to be heavy on this Aaron Rodgers situation, especially with how the NFL and government already and how that's the biggest league on earth. I mean, this is going to be big.

And it feels like, for at least my opinion, that because it feels as though the NFL kind of screwed this up or got beat by Aaron in some way, that he might get suspended. It might not just be the 10 days. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't you start drumming that up. I don't think that's like out of – I don't think that's out of... What if they play the Patriots? I don't think that's for a week here.

That's exactly right. I will let it be heard that although Conor is potentially speaking that in the universe, it seemed like that's how he delivered that, right? No, no, no. I didn't like his tone. Yeah, but a lot of people on the internet were bringing this up. Yeah, it was getting very hot in the streets, this particular run here, too. Like, well, wait a minute.

If this is all going on in the Halloween part. I mean, there's like, yeah, Pooh Shiesty is about to get shown to the Roj Gatot. You know what I mean? Pooh Shiesty is going to be involved in a meeting probably about this entire thing. It's crazy. Yeah, I don't want him to or think he should be. I just think that that's something that might get considered as more stuff comes out. I think they're absolutely...

I mean, like you said, the NFL is not just going to sweep this under the rug. That's why it would be nice to hear what the hell happened. What the hell is going on? Because this seems like it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Alright, we'll keep everybody updated. The fans right here.

Unfortunately, Pat, there is more bad news in the sports world. All right, we'll keep everybody updated. The fans right here. Fans right here. Unfortunately, Pat, there is more bad news in the sports world. Sidney Crosby has also tested positive for COVID. What the hell is going on? Holy shit. He's got some of the misvaccinated. Did he go to the party and green back? He's going to have to miss two or three weeks. Why?

Why? Sidney Crosby, greatest player of all time. Why? Just coming back from an injury. Why? Now he's got COVID. What? What's he be doing?

Stick tapping with Mario Lemieux? What? Yomri Auger? What? Vigani Malkin? What? They drinking beers at all their Lord Stanleys? What?

It's a little replicas. What? In his house. What? In Swickley. What? On Lemieux's property. What?

Is he drinking out of all of them? What? Does he have one? What? Two? What? Three? What? And a gold medal. What? And he just out of all of them? Does he have one, two, three, and a gold medal? And he just houses them all?

Is he chugging COVID out of the Lord Stanley's cup? It does appear as if he was chugging COVID out of the cups. Come on, Sid. COVID Crosby. Sports world's falling down. Obviously, we hope Aaron and Sidney Crosby survive. Yes.

Tease and peace. Tease and peace. Tease and peace. Tease and peace. We got to pick it up. And put it down. What the fuck? What's going on with Sidney Crosby? What's the NHL?

Are they testing every day? Because I assume Aaron, right, if he's non-vaccinated, he would have to get tested every day, right? Every day? Is that what it is? Because if you're not vaccinated, I just assumed by this time in the season in the nfl everybody that was non-vaccinated would become vaccinated because they'd be sick of getting tested every single day at like 7 a.m and it's like oh my

my teammates are having a good old time sleeping in having a blast on their off days am i still going to do it and a lot of guys by the way to their credit have stuck with it is the nhl like that can we can you pull that back up i was uh pull that back up? Not the news we were hoping for. Coach Sullivan confirms that Sidney Crosby and Brian Dumoulin mispracticed after testing positive for COVID-19. Both players are in a COVID protocol right now. Crosby has mild symptoms and Dumoulin is

currently asymptomatic. If they're testing every day and he has mild symptoms, if they're anything like mine, those are going to pick up quick. I didn't have COVID. I tested positive for COVID. Four hours later, I was 104 and a half degrees. Yeah. Quickly.

How you doing? Keep it moving. Almost dead. Drop of the hat. I'm still on the show, though. Yeah. Hell yeah. Talking to Aaron Rodgers.

What? I wonder if he thought about me. What? My experience. What? With COVID. What? When he got tested positive.

What? Oh, Pat came on the show with me. What? He looked dead. What? He looked red. What? He said he was 105 positive. Oh, Pat came on the show with me. He looked dead. He looked red. He said he was 105 degrees. Am I immunized or not?

What does that mean, by the way? The immunization versus the vaccination? So him saying that report from Domovsky. So immunization is a process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination oh this term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation so let's inoculation so like if i got covid and i got the antibodies would i be immunized yes so yes yeah that's what you said right say please please restate your statement which be immunized? Yes. So, yes? Yeah. That's what I just said, right?

Please restate your statement. Okay, so... Okay, let's go back to the definition here. This is on the CDC site, which, by the way, remember there was a time... Forget about it. Let's not go there.

I mean, every fucking website at one point. That was the WHO. No, one point. And then at another point. Yeah, they were saying it was the CDC. And then at another point. You had three letters. You were getting questioned.

By other people with three letters. And then it became a who knows at this point. Anyways. We need to add a letter. The CDC, which stands for Credible Center for Disease Control. Bingo. Credibly. I was going to add definition in there.

Immunization, which is what he alluded to whenever he said, because this is the video, and I'm only saying this because this is the video that was tweeted 7,000 times. I am immunized. A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination this term is often used interchangeably by vaccination with vaccination or inoculation so through vaccination do you get vaccinated via getting the virus yeah because they shoot it into you no no no no he's saying by old school way, just getting sick.

Yeah, like if I get sick, is that considered me getting the vaccination? No, because the vaccination is just a strain. Vaccination is actually. So that first sentence, let's go back to it. A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. That's the first sentence. Yes. But then this term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation inoculation is when you get it then you get the antibodies right

yeah that's right i don't think so but i thought inoculation was like after you've gotten something like you are now inoculated with i don't think it's like getting sick by i think it is still through like so there's a shot or there's no way to slip past the goalie here with the whole i got the antibody use inoculation in a sentence as inoculation against flu was readily available. It's also the same as vaccine. So this one couldn't slip past the goalie. So I thought inoculation was like, yeah, you

got it. I heard you thinking that and I also synced it on the internet. That's why I brought it forward. I'm happy we figured that out. So there's no on that, it seems like. Inoculation, vaccination. Those are all the same. Um,

intra V. No. Inter something. A shot. Right. Can't just get it by getting the antibodies. I don't think so. Intra shot.

Hey, I love diving into the CDC and definitions. Learn something new every day. I fucking hate it. I couldn't hate this more. But it is a real thing. Him being out is huge because now you've got Jordan Love going into play against the Kansas City Chiefs.

And who knows how that Kansas City Chiefs defense is going to do, even with the addition of Melvin Ingram that they got from the Pittsburgh Steelers or whatever. That Kansas City Chiefs defense, I mean, the Giants 10 points. I guess that's something to talk about. But the Giants do stink at football at this point. I think everybody is kind of under the same assumption. Oh, inoculation.

Well, I think you can't take it as a shot. I was thinking about saying that. But you couldn't take that as a shot that the Giants are a bad football team right now. But anyways, what happens in the fallout of this? What happens if he, does he have to get a negative test or is it just the 10 days? We think it's just the 10 days, but it took me like 11, 12 days to get a negative test after I first tested positive, even though I didn't have symptoms for like four or five days, six days at that point.

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Yeah, you mentioned all those things with the Packers. Too bad that was six or seven years ago I was on the Packers. So I don't know anything current day what's happening. Okay, so AJ has no inside information. Did you hear Odell got sent away from practice? Yeah, Odell did get sent away from practice. It is now coming out allegedly that Andrew Barry, the general manager of the Cleveland Browns,

is meeting with OBJ's representatives. We do not know if OBS's videos are a part of that conversation. We can assume as such, and they're discussing the next steps to take. Everybody thinks Odell Beckham Jr. probably being released from the Cleveland Browns today. That is what it sounds like via the internet at my sports update, Ari Mirov of Pro Football Focus. That is definitely happening, AJ Hawk. I appreciate you guiding this sports show through the breaking news updates, but there is one particular thing I think a lot of people

would like to hear you chat about. We let off the show with it 30-35 minutes. Even asked the cast dog about it. You know the cast dog. Why? Is that where the ponies race? Why? Who else is down there? Why? Okay, so there was somebody that was at those Kentucky Derbies that you guys were at

that is potentially a large part of the news right now, a man who comes on this show every single Tuesday. I said, and I laid out basically all the things that the internet is saying because those are all very valid questions that are happening. There's a lot of people

with incredible penmanship writing very well written reasons on why something could potentially be bullshit with the entire situation. But I know in having to be in the NFL, go through a lot of the NFL, there has to be something. There has to be some sort of reason. You are much closer to the situation, I think, than anybody else that speaks on microphones.

Do you have any thoughts on this? How have you reached out? Have you got any information? How is the rest of the Packers building doing? Do you have any stuff that we should potentially know about here five minutes into your appearance here? I don't know if I have any kind of breaking news to let you know that I am in on. I definitely still talk to people in the facility and Aaron and everything.

I assume, is he doing all right physically? That's the one thing I haven't gotten an answer from him about. There has not been a single answer about his symptoms or symptomatics. There's been other places. Somebody had mild symptoms and somebody had no symptoms. I forget what that was. But we know, though,

earliest, though, for him, right? Ten days. He's got to be out 10 days and that's where the whole conversation started about his vaccination status because as soon as pelissero tweeted out that he will miss the chief's game everybody's like whoa whoa so quick now it would have to be a miracle but can he not test negative here a couple times especially if he has no symptoms and i guess saban was able to do that somehow yeah a couple years ago when he got tested positive on wednesday he was at practice Friday. That's right.

Two negatives were in between there somehow. Unbelievable. His body beats stuff just like Russell Wilson's Phil 413. Anyways, that whole vaccination status immediately came to conversation because the different ways that they are treated when you test positive when you're vaccinated versus non-vaccinated.

So now the vaccination conversation is huge. And the immunized wording that was used in his press conference, it's just all that shit's getting called into question right now. vaccinated so now the vaccination conversation is huge in the immunized wording uh wording that was used in his press conference it's just all that shit's getting called into question right now and is it that deep you think or do you think there's just you know we have to wait and see how it all plays out there has to be more to the story yeah there obviously has to be an explanation um from aaron's side because we haven't really seen this with anybody else have we like a situation no come out like this in the middle of the season.

So, yeah, hopefully, I'm sure eventually he'll want to say something. I don't know when that will be, but I know he does want to at least let people know what he thinks or what his whole thing was. I don't know when that is. I have no idea if that's on here, wherever, wherever. It'll be somewhere. That'll be, I mean, I think people will want to hear, and I'm sure he wants to clear some things up. Yes. I, by the way, that is great news.

That is breaking news that we assume Aaron will cover this. He will have to inevitably at some point, but I think what you're alluding to is that he would like to potentially explain. And by the way, do not expect it to be here. If it is here, we'd be honored, obviously, to ask potential questions that people might have while he gives his thing, or if he does it wherever, however. But he should be the one telling this, I i think before everybody else is telling the story because right now

hey there is very talented wordsmiths out there people that are absolute maestros with the writing and typing and stuff and there's a lot of valid questions i mean there is a lot of very fascinating questions you know like the way things go on the field whenever you know you see carson or anybody else that was openly against it but he was immunized so he has to be being treated in a different way because he's it's just so he had to have some sort of okay you know what i mean like there had to be there has to be something is what i'm saying there just has to be something to is what I'm saying. There just has to be something to the entire situation. Absolutely, yeah. It's very confusing, I guess, when you sit there and bam, it just hits you.

So I guess he tested positive this morning when he was going in the facility, I assume. And so then they had to send him home? Yeah, I think so. And then you would assume that it wouldn't be like a false positive situation, which are those days still happening? They would wait. I would assume if you're positive, would they make you sit there and wait and take another one a little bit later i don't know and our false positive is even a thing anymore they have to test it oh well i'm

sure that there's a lot of conversations about that whole thing but the the i i haven't heard a lot about false positive so i wonder if they ran it a few times is it like a backup sample you run as well and i thought you do i thought if you test positive don't they usually at least test you again later in the day or something i when uh saquon tested today i believe that they said they're going to run a retest today as well okay so it's it's interesting because they're on the heightened covid thing last week because it was a short week and davante had it right yeah so are they still in there probably you. Are they still in the heightened protocol? They are now. I mean, they are now if they weren't.

Yeah, absolutely. And then you have to think about who else potentially, because the Giants just had 13 people. The Giants just had 13 people test positive. That is huge. By the way, that should be a massive story. Yeah. But it is not, because the MVP,

in all the circumstances surrounding it right now, and those 13 guys, were they vaccinated? Were they non-vaccinated? Close contacts? How does that whole thing pan out? You'll know by the time when it says how fast they can come back. That's how you know, right? Yeah.

Yeah, and I think we talked to – oh, we could probably have Rappaport on today, I guess, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ty. Was that an actual – do you have an issue with – You okay? No. You got one rap port on today i guess right oh yeah yeah was that an actual do you have an issue with you okay no one rap sheet on nah this is fucking chewing up my esophagus drinking too many of them so why i am so sorry all right i did not i did not mean to call that

out it just sounded in my ear while i was doing that you made a sound like oh rapper like you couldn't wait to hear like i'd love to have rap cheat on today to clear it up a little yeah all right i'll send him a text aj why don't why don't you just tell us what's going on dude it seems like people aren't going this isn't like the other situation you're oh shit aj i can't even hear you you're talking when i'm speaking i can't hear what you said but yeah this isn't one of those like, this isn't a situation like that. I wasn't at the Kentucky Derby with him two days ago. Okay, so you were hiding shit.

We knew it. Yep. So you decided yourself for hiding shit. Son of a bitch. Hey, listen, you're really good at it, though, you son of a bitch. I thought I was a pretty good little questionnaire guy. Yeah. I thought I asked pretty good questions.

You said you didn't know anything the whole time. I was taking it on the shins out there, just prognosticating about the whole situation. You knew everything? Come on. No, I don't care to know everything. I don't ask a lot of questions on situations like this. Yeah, me neither, by the way.

This is something that I don't do as well, and I assume a lot of people who are on microphones would like us to be more like that this is just gonna use our sources right i gotta use my sources better yeah this is just like when vinatieri retired on the air and i did not fucking know that was happening and i did not text him for like weeks and weeks whenever the speculation was around because i didn't want to know because i didn't want to be the person that was potentially so like hey you do however you want to do that and with some potential drama news i could see how

you maybe don't want to be a part of it but we did have to talk about it for fucking four months yeah and he had all the inside information long time yeah i never i never care to have all the inside uh this particular case i wonder what the inside information would be you know i mean what could it be honestly what do you think i don't know how you know there's a lot of like all the questions that all the question starters, you know, the hows, the whats, the whens, the why. Like that's all that. Every one of those is now being written about in a fashion that everything is like, whoa,

whoa, whoa. This is all fucked up, basically. You know, because it's got to be weird, though. Doesn't have to be weird for Aaron. So if he tests positive, they send them home. So now he's just posted up in his house solo for 10 straight days trying to figure all this out. How many books has he got in there? He's going to have to disappear in some J.K.

Dobbins. That'd be smart. You know what I mean? Watch some film. Yeah. No, I was just talking about the book. J.K. Rowling. Harry Potter. Maybe he dives in a good book. What takes Aaron Rodgers 10 days to read?

Because that's a big part of it, too. When I had it, not being able to go anywhere in public or see people or people obviously being uncomfortable that you're potentially even going to be. That is a whole thing in itself of having the COVID. And now he's getting killed. This is going to get into the political sphere. I mean, it's going to get into it. And now he's getting this going to get into the political sphere. I mean, it's going to get absolutely.

I mean, I would imagine like tonight, primetime political shows are going to be bringing it up and arguing both sides of this. Yeah. Wolf Blitzer is going to be pissed. 100%. He's still around. Yeah. The wolf. I don't know. He's going to be pissed.

Hungry like the wolf. Okay. Zito is saying that Rapaport just put out a tweet. It's not a tweet. It's from the press conference, but Rap Sheet did say it. Okay. So LaFleur had a press conference where he was speaking, and then Rap Sheet just quoted as saying, he's good right now.

Call Rap Sheet. Let's just call Rap Sheet. Here we go. He just broke some news about protocols being followed in the building and everything like that by Aaron, which is fascinating. So then the public ones, we'd have to see what that's all about or how that all worked out. Okay, more and more information.

Is LeFleur still speaking or is he done? I think he'd be done because Ian would probably be listening. He might have just got out of there, though. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, NFL.com insider, NFL network insider nfl insider uh host of the canceled show rap sheet and friends here to do his weekly wrap-up with rap sheet and friends that's us ian rappaport what a day guys i mean what uh well yeah hi hey what's up ian great to see you man uh What a day for you. You get to break news.

You know what I have to do? I have to be a part of it, and people just kill me for what potentially happened in a situation with a guy that comes on the show every single week. And I just assume that there has to be a lot more answers to all the questions because there seems to be a lot of well-written things being said in a negative light about Aaron Rodgers in particular. What have we learned thus far? Because my questions, a lot of them, involve the NFL's protocols. If he's immunized, if he's not immunized, what's going on, what's not going on? What are you hearing, what are you learning, and what did LeFleur say?

Okay, let's go through it. Well, first of all, LeFleur did not address whether or not Aaron Rodgers is vaccinated. He said, I'm not going to get into the vaccination status of my players or coaches. He was asked why Rodgers used the word immunized instead of vaccinated in whenever that was, August. And he said, that's a question for Aaron. That is what LaFleur said. Here's what I know. The team has known that Rodgers is not vaccinated. According to the letter of the NFL law, they have known this for a very long time. Rodgers has been wearing a mask in the building. He has been following the COVID-19

protocols for those who are unvaccinated. He has been undergoing daily testing. Sometimes at press conferences, he has been seen wearing a mask around his neck, but not on his face. On the sidelines, he has not been wearing a mask, but I don't think you need to, if you're an unvaccinated player, wear one outside. Rodgers did go through a sort of, this is something that our good friend Tom Palacero reports. Rodgers did go through a homeopathic or holistic immunization treatment, which he thought might be able to get him vaccinated status, but the NFL said that it would not. So he is officially, according to the letter of the law, unvaccinated. And that is why him testing positive for COVID-19 means he is out on Sunday.

So he's been treated as a non-vaccinated player all season long by the NFL, by the Green Bay Packers. It just hasn't been something that has been seen by the media or reported by the media. Yeah, that's right. And so I will say, like, this is something we found out a little bit ago and kind of had to track this down and figure out what to do with it. But that's the big story, right? Because the people are saying that he misled, but you're saying though, he really has, because in the building he wears it every

single day. Is that okay? This is fast. I mean, everyone, everyone with the Packers, including a bunch of players, they've known that he was unvaccinated and you know, the media asked him, the local media asked him and he said immunized and everyone kind of went along. And I mean, I'm not that's not criticism. If that was me, I probably would have. I wouldn't have drawn a distinction between, well, are you vaccinated or are you merely immunized? I don't think I would have even known what that was. So I don't know that anyone did anything wrong.

I just know inside the building they've known that he was unvaccinated. So he's out 10 days. That goes to next Friday or next Saturday? Next Saturday he's eligible to come off the list, which means he could play. I can't remember who they have. The Raiders maybe. He could play the next game.

I'm sorry. Seattle. Right. So he could play the next game against Seattle without practicing, which means we actually could see Russell Wilson come back from the pin thing in his finger and Aaron Rodgers come back from COVID in the same game. That's something. Well, we help Aaron survive COVID, obviously.

Go ahead, AJ. Well, is that Seattle game at home or away? It's at home. Okay, that helps, right? Because if it was away, wouldn't he have to test negative on Saturday before they left for the trip? Yes, although he could also fly in separately. I'm sure, I don't know this, but I assume he's a guy who's been on a private plane or two.

So even if it was on the road, he probably could fly in anyway. But home at least makes it logistically. Ian, you do know, you've tracked it numerous times for your job. I'll tell you what's really frustrating. Yeah, you have. When people will block the tail numbers on the plane so you can't track it online. I used to cover college football. That's frustrating. I covered Alabama.

I covered Mississippi. Plane tracking is all the rage. When they block it, it's really messed up. Oh, is it? It's really messed up. How about when people just show up at the fucking airport and just wait on you awkwardly in the middle of the night? Isn't that a little fucking creepy too?

Airline interviews are bad. How about this? What did you think of the Von Miller I'm leaving the Broncos as I'm getting traded to the Rams and then he talks to reporters rolling the window down? What did you think of that scene? I didn't see that whole scene. I just seemed to heard the rollout about this. I'm happy you're on right now actually and I don't want to divert away from the Aaron Rodgers situation, but I feel like all the information you just gave us was incredible. I can't wait to hear more. The homeopathic vaccination. I'm excited to learn about that. I am pumped to hear how or why that came to be. Aaron, obviously an incredibly intelligent human being, excited to hear the hows and whys let's move

on to von miller though so there was a report that the halloween party that that quavo was at and von miller's halloween parties have been in conversation over the past few years i mean these have been things that are notorious i bet you they are a great time it sounds like it is an absolute amazing sounds amazing yeah he spent six figures on it but no Fant went on 107.3, the fan, I think, in Denver. And he said that he was upset, obviously, that this story got out of the locker room. But Von Miller didn't want to have the party because the team was losing in the Halloween party. You know, he was looking for it to be an incentive for the team to win and everything like that. Allegedly, they talked him back into having the party because it's so much fun.

Then the bill came for everything, and it was a couple hundred thousand. And Von Miller said, hey, we have to pay for the Halloween party. And everybody in the locker room allegedly said, hey, you have to pay for the Halloween party. And there's a little bit of drama. Are you hearing anything about this? And was this a part of the decision to trade the eight-time Pro Bowl linebacker and pay $9 million worth of the salary on the way out? A lot of that story is true about the Halloween party, right?

So it did happen. Some players did get fined for being it because I think a couple of players showed up late the next day, a couple hundred dollars, but you know. I mean, let's not – everyone should follow all the rules, being it because I think a couple players showed up late the next day. A couple hundred dollars, but you know. Everyone should follow all the rules, but let's not pretend being fine. A couple hundred dollars is a big deal. It did happen.

Jesus. I'm sorry. Let me hold some, man. Let me hold some. A couple hundred thousand dollars would be a thing. Yeah, of course. I don't believe this led to the release at all. I really don't.

I mean, the story happened, but the reason I led to the trade, I should say, the reason that Von Miller got traded was because the team was able to get, the team was able to pay a million dollars and get a second and third round pick. That is a lot. I mean, that is a real lot to pay for Von Miller, a second and third round pick. That's substantial.

Ian, get the fuck out of here. Ian, who told you? How is that? Are you serious right now? I don't know if you're being serious or not. What? There's no way you actually believe that. The Broncos got absolutely undressed in that deal.

You don't think that? You don't think that's the case? I think the opposite. No. They're paying $9 million salary for your best player to go play for another team. It's probably going to go on a run to a Super Bowl. And you get a second and a third? Are they trying to bundle that, you think, to make a play for a quarterback or something?

First of all, yes, including, we'll see, maybe a potentially unvaccinated quarterback who's out this week and has a chance to play next week. Oh, shit. The team stinks. He's not going there. Yeah, why would they go there? They're doing a fire sale so they can get fucking picks.

They just got rid of the guy that hosts the $100,000 Halloween party with Quavo. I can't believe Quavo flew out to Denver. $100,000 party. I mean, there was a payment that was made. I mean, yeah, yeah. So that's the price. I mean, everything's got a price.

Well, I'd assume that thing was well-decorated, too. I'm sure there was balloons and streamers and stuff. No, for real. I thought the price was legit. I mean, a 32-year-old pass rusher who's probably not coming back, you got like a real, that's a real value, I thought. I thought the price was legit. I mean, a 32-year-old pass rusher who's probably not coming back, you got like a real – that's a real value, I thought. I thought the Broncos did well. AJ, I don't want to step on you here.

I'm getting breaking news in my ear. Part of my take titled this man the boat. Because there might be a greatest of all time, but there's only one best of all time. The man who said that if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be smoking heaters on a construction site. Hell yeah. but there's only one best of all time. The man who said that if he wasn't in the NFL, he'd be smoking heaters on a construction site. Hell yeah.

Blake Bortles is allegedly en route to Green Bay, Wisconsin. Here we go. Wow. Breaking news to you, Ian. What are your thoughts on that? Is this something that they had him in earlier, right, whenever Jordan was gone? Yeah, he'll probably sign with the practice squad, and then I assume get bumped up if Benkert doesn't.

We'll see if Benkert's able to play. I would assume that Benkert would be the one getting called up. He's got COVID, Ian. What the fuck? Do you not even follow the NFL? But I believe, well, I don't know for sure that he's vaccinated, but if he is vaccinated, then he'll be able to potentially play on Sunday. So we will see.

But, yes, Bortles. Yes, very exciting. Ian, in Green Bay, what about the rest of that roster? Is there a worry in Green Bay that they're going to have more positive tests as the week goes on? Yes, I would say they are a little worried. And they've had the intensive protocols for a while now. So daily for everybody now?

Yeah, they've been doing daily testing. Why? Is that because – why? Is that the Thursday Night Football protocol or is it before that even? Joe Barry. No, it's because of Joe Barry and Devontae and then a couple other people. So once they've got a couple, they've all been in mass and daily testing and all that. So Devontae, I think, should come back tomorrow and Joe Barry should come back tomorrow. So hopefully they're on the other end of it.

But I mean, I'm not, I don't know if they're worried, worried, but they're definitely focusing on and trying to make sure that this ends the spread, you know? Ian, everybody had to know that with the way the protocols are and the way the world is currently going now, when the protocols were created, we're at a much different time with a much different prediction of what the future was going to look like, I think.

But now with the way the world is, I assume a lot of teams expected to potentially run into the buzzsaw that is COVID. Giants got 13 players that tested positive. The Packers had Devontae Adams. And it seems like it's just going to continue to go with the way the world is, especially not just Halloween being one of the most celebrated holidays in the NFL and the locker rooms, but Thanksgiving, Christmas, and the world being open again. It seems like outside the NFL, much different world than inside the NFL,

but you've got to do stuff to be in the NFL. Do they all just expect this to happen? Yeah. No, it has not been like last year. I mean, last year, which honestly feels like 1,000 years ago, but this was like every day last year. I mean, i'm only covering it i'm sitting in my basement alone which is what i basically spent all last year doing

but it was it was miserable like every day was like this this has been a couple spots rogers being tested positive is obviously a major deal saquon major deal um but it has not been like last year but yeah teams teams expected this and having the having the What happened? Nothing. Come on. If there's nothing

then let's go ahead and do this but if you're going to go ahead and just something happened. Your eyes you're reading something right now. Something just happened. Well, we will see. But anyway, yes, teams have expected. Come on, dude. We will see.

Does it have to do with Odell Beckham Jr.? What is it? OBS, maybe? We will see what ends up happening, yes. Odell, we will see what ends up happening. AJ, good fucking reporting. My question, OBS is the reason why the OBJ situation is happening in Cleveland right now? Which one's OBS? Odell Beck the OBJ situation's happening in Cleveland right now which one's OBS Odell Beckham senior catch up dude uh I don't know that he's the reason I feel like he's more of the I mean don't you think that Odell knew what he was doing yeah well yeah that's

what I'm talking about so then he goes in the locker room and then all of a sudden everybody's like hey what the fuck is this and then the coach has got to ask and then there's no actual explanation. And Andrew Baird is like, you know what, let's just be done with it. Is that what's happening and is that how it happened? I don't know how the Browns are going to actually deal with Odell. I don't know what they – because they have a lot of options here. They can send him home, which he's not there today. They can cut him.

They can suspend him. They can force him to play and then make him say, no, I'm not playing. Like there's actually a lot of different ways they could handle it, having a disgruntled player. Now most teams eventually move on because it's just not worth it. Now the Browns are already paying him and they have to pay him, so that is an issue as well. But, yeah, I mean,

anytime you have someone's father posting videos of look at my son being open anyway that's not none of that is good go ahead connor yeah rap sheet are the saints gonna stick with simeon or is there a possible phil rivers uh coming back to new orleans and also what happened with michael thomas uh all right we'll start with the michael thomas thing so he's out for the season. He had a setback on the same ankle, but a different injury. So remember, he had the tightrope surgery last year. And the ropes are fine, the ankle's fine, but there's a different injury that developed while he was rehabbing. He saw a specialist either Monday or Tuesday, and now he's going to have

another surgery. So he's out for the season. So the Saints basically went through all of last year with, unfortunately, him not playing, and this year with him not playing at all. It feels like they're going to roll with Simeon. One thing that Sean Payton really likes is a quarterback who does exactly what he says. And Simeon does exactly what he says. He puts the ball where he wants. He runs the plays he wants.

He follows orders very well. And Sean really likes that. So I'd expect that to be where he goes first before the most famous high school football coach in the state of Alabama comes back to the NFL. Okay, so Phil Rivers is ahead of Drew Brees in that conversation? I have not heard that Bze was asked to come back. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Hey, you got some new hair.

Get the fuck off. He retired and got new hair. Yeah, and you said you're not sure that he was asked to come back. So that would say, if we're going to, you know, just like immunized was used, immunized was used,

we got to, you know, kind of decipher your wording there. So do you think that Drew would come back if he was asked? Or are you getting any rumblings that potentially Drew Brees' camp is maybe itching to, huh, sling the pill a little bit? It was so hard for him to retire. He went through so much to get himself to the place. Remember those videos of him working out hardcore while he was retired?

Of course, personal record. It was hard for him to retire. I would be surprised if he went through all that to get himself to a place where he was okay retiring and then came back. That would be very surprising. Oh, so you just said that Drew Brees potentially thinking about leaving Football Night

in America and going back into football, which is potentially what Phillip Rivers had in mind whenever he said, ah, I'll go play at the Saints. Oh, Drew will get itchy. He'll go, and then I get, boom, Football Night in America. High-notch chess. Sicilian, how you doing? Keep it moving. Chess, not checkers? Yeah.

No, I'm a checkers guy myself. I think it takes too much heat, you know, because you're supposed to live in the moment and just try to get kinged right fucking now, but I appreciate the whole forethought thing. We've it takes too much heat, you know, cause you're supposed to live in a moment and just try to get kinged right fucking now. But I appreciate the whole forethought thing. We got to do 10, 20 moves ahead and then visualize the shit while we're tripping on the hallucinogens.

Uh, go ahead, Ty. Rap sheet. How come every year we hype up the trade deadline and then nothing fucking happens? Uh, like,

were you hearing that guys were actually like, were, were there actually trades that fell apart that couldn't get done? Or, I mean, cause Dave Brown, you know, going to fell apart that couldn't get done? Yeah. I mean, because Dave Brown going to the Chiefs was the big takeaway for me. Dan Brown, he picks them up and puts them down. Don't disrespect the good doctor, Laurent Duvernay-Tardif. He got traded.

He fought COVID and then got traded. Yeah, they shipped his ass out of town. Yeah, whatever. Well, they'll fight COVID again. Maybe somewhere else is what they said. Anyway so the there were some trades that happened a lot of trades that were talked about the big one was deshaun watson not getting traded um which to me was probably as big a deal as any trade that happened because now he remains on the texans probably still not going to play probably becomes the biggest story next offseason where a lot more teams will need quarterbacks,

have the possibility of trying to trade for him, plus his legal situation has not yet been resolved, which was a big reason why he wasn't traded. I mean, so much there. Was he going to Miami? That would have been the only spot he's waived. There's no trade cost to him. But in the offseason, I mean, there's going to be,

I would imagine, a lot more teams who need quarterbacks to say, you know what, if this legal situation gets resolved by March, maybe they're interested. Okay, was Deshaun Watson, did Sean Payton go after Deshaun? There was some, I read something. I don't, I have not heard that. I have not confirmed. Did I read that on the internet this morning, though?

I think it was on the internet. No, that was for Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson, Sean Payton was allegedly trying to snoop around on whether or not he was available or not is that real you think i have not heard that for this season you know next season is sean payton he loves what is that let me read that jordan schultz of the schultz report says one superstar quarterback under the radar today that seems have been uh teams have been calling about the whole season, Russell Wilson.

League sources say several teams. Yeah, I don't. Wow, Schultz. I don't know. Not today, Schultz. Oh, my God. You gave him a report card on the Schultz Report. F you said.

Fuck this guy. You let off with saying, who is this? Let me read this. And then, nah, I don't think so. Wow. Wow. He is a great reporter, and I will let his reporting stand by itself. I mean, you.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Jeez. It's hot in the kitchen. Yeah. I haven't confirmed it. I just haven't gotten it.

Nothing I can do. If you do, let us know, please. And Schultz Report, we appreciate you reporting the news that Schultz hears. Okay? Maybe you have a different source than the host of the weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and Friends. We appreciate the hell out of you, Ian. Have a great day today. Can't wait to hear more about the homeopathic immunization and everything else you're going to have to deal with.

Yeah, have fun with that. You're probably going to be reading a lot of medicine shit. Oh, dude. Hey, good luck out there. We're going to be telling dumb. Thanks, guys. Hey, we're going to be saying dumb stuff about sports over here. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport.

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I love our conversations. Honestly, I look forward to them. I feel like I learned something. And you give an angle that not a lot of people get to hear, which is a coach that's kind of unfiltered. I mean, not that any coach is ever super unfiltered. But you here, I feel like you've been letting it fly, and I appreciate that. If you're Matt LaFleur and this Aaron Rodgers situation happens as the head coach and now it's coming out that Green Bay Packers did know of his vaccination

status and uh obviously the world is being made of uh known of all these things he has to still continue to keep a good relationship with Aaron right I mean LaFleur has to be Aaron has to feel as if LaFleur is still on his side even though the entire entire world is crashing down on him. How would you balance that delicate line there while also trying to get Jordan Love going, you think? Yeah, you've got to tread very lightly just because of your conversation about this whole vaccination thing to this point because there are so many things involved.

There is such a political thing right now and media right now, every news station, every channel, and every media outlet is blowing up about this whole deal. So we're right. Matt, Coach LeFleur definitely has to, you know, he's got to have Aaron's back. You know, without Aaron, you know, this team doesn't win seven straight. We know how important that guy is to that organization, to the National Football League. So

you have his back. Hopefully you've got your ducks in a row. You've got all the necessary, you know, with your, you know, athletic training department, all the protocols. They're saying, hey, look, he's followed the protocols inside the building. He's wearing a mask. He's getting tested every single day. Hopefully all that stuff, you're making sure all that stuff's, and I find it really hard to believe that, you know, that they wouldn't be following those protocols, knowing that, you know, that they wouldn't be following those protocols, knowing that, you know, this could potentially become a deal, especially with, you know, being out, you know, regardless of a Halloween party, this, that, and the other. I mean, you run the risk. If you're, shoot,

vaccinated people are getting it, are coming down with it, and tested positive. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know the uh the whole intricacies of the of the vaccine and what works and what doesn't work i just know that vaccinated people are getting uh coming you know testing positive as well as unvaccinated people you know you're dealing with carson wentz right there and then the quarterback to face your franchise the guy you know and now to be without that guy and and you're right, Matt's got a team to prepare. That staff's got to do their job. You remember back in the day when we lost every single quarterback

and we had to sign two off the street, you were our number three quarterback. We found a way to go win a game because we were playing like last week when Aaron talked about them going to Arizona without this guy, without that guy, nobody gave him a chance. Just what AJ said. I mean, they went and played with house money. They played free. They had fun. This is another one of those great challenges that this will galvanize that football team and galvanize that locker room even more to where another great chance, another opportunity to overcome some major adversity. And I guess, I don't know exactly, I guess Jordan is the only quarterback right now. Kurt Benkert.

On the team next. He's out though. Yeah, Kurt Benkert also has COVID. So they're flying Blake Bortles out there, a guy who in London punted a ball in our faces. Randall's number two right now until Blake gets there. Randall Cobb? Yeah, Randall's listed second QB. Yeah, so it can be done.

I mean, we signed Josh Freeman and Ryan Lindley. Brought them in for a Tuesday workout, signed them. They were in the meeting room on Wednesday. You remember, Pat, I told the whole team, I said, hey, just mind your own business. Everybody do your freaking job. Don't watch one snap of either of these guys. Do not watch any of the practice.

No judgment. Trust our coaches. Trust, you know, our offensive staff. They'll get these two guys ready to go. And sure enough, we went and beat the Titans, you know, to finish the season eight and eight. It was it was one of the most memorable wins we had, you know, because of how we did it. I think so. And Josh Freeman and Ryan Lindley, obviously incredible people. And they came in and you did say in your Tuesday presser, I've told this story before, where we'll have a package for Pat McAfee. And I was like, wait a fucking minute. It's the last

game of the season. Okay. We've lost 10 quarterbacks. There's no way I'm dying right now out there. But that was obviously a joke, uh but you bring in freeman and lindley you making the proclamation to the team before they came in hey do not watch all right just don't judge no judgment no judgment do not watch and then me and venetary obviously immediately upon hearing that we're like all right so we gotta go fucking watch this guy and it was bad that first day of practice was bad i mean it was bad bad thursday still banging the drum here hey let's not judge let's just keep putting in the work let's just keep going it started looking a little bit better none of us could have expected getting that win on sunday what you're right that is a very memorable game and it's because of the adverse

conditions that we're under you know yeah no doubt about it and if you guys could have been at the workout on Tuesday, you would have said no freaking way to you sign these two guys because you remember Josh Freeman. Josh Freeman had a cannon, right? So you know how Frog and T and those guys had set up at the different areas? Like if you're throwing, you know, a quick game, you've got a quick out or a slant, and then you go, you know, five-step drop, seven-step drop.

He didn't complete one pass. He almost threw the football. He almost threw the – he tore up their hands, number one. Number two, the balls were bouncing off the indoor like BBs off a tin can. Almost threw a football through the wall of the indoor facility. And then we go, okay, that's good, Josh. Ryan, you're up. So then we get Ryan in there, right?

Ryan's accurate as shit, but he's got zero velocity on the ball, right? It's taking forever. And I'm asking T and Frog because they know, our two equipment guys, you know, what do you think? He goes, man, that's an easy, easy ball to catch. I mean, it's barely coming in here, Coach. I don't know. He's going to have to anticipate his throws really well.

So I'm thinking, holy shit and i'm like is there anybody that's it you know coney island threat josh raymond was playing for the coney island thrashers at the time serving you know soft serve ice cream at halftime for 250 bucks a game and and ryan lindley he was driving uber he was hanging out in new york city he was driving uber at the time his girlfriend was training for the olympics and he, he was driving Uber. He was hanging out in New York City. He was driving Uber at the time. His girlfriend was training for the Olympics, and he was in New York City driving Uber. Hey, listen, a lot of ricochet

shots. Unbelievable. Hey, these guys, unbelievable. Hey, we got the goal on these guys, Coach. Honestly, they were very good, but they hear the workout went that terribly. That makes sense, because Wednesday it didn't look much better, Coach. It did not look much better on Wednesday.

Remember, I walked out of that team meeting on Wednesday, and I went and sat in my office. I don't know who I was talking to. I said, I just lied to get my ass off to this football game. I hope it works. That's awesome. It was awesome. No, they got their – they'll rally.

You watch. They'll rally around this whole deal, and they're going to have to definitely go sign somebody, though. Oh, my God. Yeah, I know. Blake Bortles, I guess, is on his way in. Randall played quarterback in college at Kentucky. He's an athlete, so maybe we'll see a little package for him.

But for the Packers, though, at least when you're looking at football and their whole plan, I would assume once they get over the initial shock of all this, like, okay, we're going to get a good look at Jordan Love against a good football team, the Kansas City Chiefs. Like, don't you think they can look at it as an opportunity, too? No doubt about it. And like you said, I mean, they've got to prepare and they've got to get this kid, you know, ready to roll. And they'll have a chance, A, AJ, to get a good look at

him. But again, I think like you just said, the enormity of this whole thing, that's the thing that they're going to have to really talk to their football team about their coaches and their players and everybody in the building is because this is a huge distraction. They're going to have to be able to put this whole thing aside and go to work at the business at hand because they got they got too many good things happening right now and and uh so that'll be another challenge just to you know quiet down the noise and everybody go to work all right let's uh bounce around to some other nfl subjects and we can't thank you enough for joining us once again ryan lindley freeman we love you yeah we absolutely love you thanks for that win that was awesome i do recall the

idea you guys put in the strategy one of them did the entire half and then one of them did the two minute drill i think it was lindley did no freeman did the two minute draw i forget whatever it was no you you had it you had it down remember when you saw lindley go in you were jacking around on the sideline with vinnie or doing something and uh you all of a sudden, you look up and see Lindley going in the game. You're like, what the fuck just happened? What happened to Josh Freeman? Because Pat's our number three. So he's like, okay, get a ball.

Vinny, get over there. He starts warming up. Does anybody know what happened to Freeman? Do I really have an opportunity to go in this game? What's my package again? Do I have my wristband? What's my two runs? What's my two passes? I'm throwing bubble screens, right? We're getting the ball

out. We're handing it off. Yeah, quickly. Yeah, no, Ryan, Ryan, Ryan went in at the end of the first half. He was the guy that the offensive coach is prepared to be the two-minute guy. He took us right down the field, and he threw a touchdown pass to Andre Johnson, I believe, and, you know, going to halftime with so much momentum. And thank God you were relieved at the touchdown, number one, and number two, that Joss was fine once you figured out what the philosophy, what the plan was. Well, Lindley, a little smaller guy, you know, and I knew the NFL. We've seen seven quarterbacks already die on our roster.

And if there is only him for the rest of the game, he was just driving an uber in new york i mean there's a chance i'm fucking taking some snaps here oh yeah and uh we're probably putting on first down whether you like to or not i don't know what the play call is going to be but we're probably going to put that thing early let's bounce around the nfl a little bit trade deadline just happened nothing really happened how do you brace a team like for instance what was what's going on with uh b flow to uh to Chris Greer coming out, chatting about how we ultimately didn't make the trade.

Knowing that your team can get better, but in doing so, you're putting down somebody on the roster then. How do you, as a head coach and coach, handle the trade deadline? And have you had any interesting situations around a trade that has happened to you? any interesting situations around a trade that has happened to you? Yeah, it's, you know, the message that you send to your, you know, your locker room, your team, the staff, the fans, everybody, the message that you send is like, with the Rams, hey, we're all in. Yeah, we're going out, we just signed another, you know, Hall of Fame, Hey, we're all in.

Yeah. We're going out. We just signed another, you know, Hall of Fame, you know, pass rusher and defensive player in Von Miller, and we're all in. And so on one end of it, you know, their locker room, their fan base, their coaching staff, they're on the opposite end of, say, Denver, and, you know, they're looking at it like, okay, we're sitting here at 4-4. We're coming off a win. We got, you know, got off the snide, got the win against the Washington football team.

But now you're saying, okay, you just traded away our best player. So between Coach Vick and George Payton, the GM, they've got to do a great job of talking to their football team about the whys. Why did we do this? And we all know the money that's involved, the whys. You know, why did we do this? And we all know, you know, the money that's involved, the picks that are involved. And, you know, the Rams have made a history of that. You know, they don't pick for the next seven years.

They don't have a number one for the next seven years. I think that's just a philosophy that Les Snead and Sean McVay, that's how they go about, you know, doing their business. And they're going to acquire comp picks down the road, and they're going to get those, you know, extra late-round picks. And they have enough faith in their head football coach and their coaching staff to develop those late-rounders. And you don't spend the money that you normally would spend on a first-rounder.

And conversely, so, you know, Tua, we saw come out, you know, in Miami and finally said, yeah, you know, I don't I don't feel like I'm wanted. And who would? No, I don't. You know, I don't. Who would? Whoa, whoa, whoa. He said, I don't not feel like I'm wanted.

Yeah, whatever. I'm not going to comment. You know, I don't feel wanted, whatever. But we would we would all feel the same way, right? Because where there's smoke, there's fire. So there had to be something going on. But we all know, based on all the rhetoric that was out there surrounding Deshaun, nobody could risk, you know, signing that player without knowing what potentially the outcome was going to be.

Nobody in their right mind is going to give up the draft capital, the number one picks, this, that, and the other for an unknown. Somebody that they don't know is going to play this year might not be able to play next year. So until the league comes out and finally says, hey, here's where this thing stands, he's either going to stay there, he's going to play for the Texans, or he'll go on there. But, you know, that stuff is so hard to control. As the head football coach, Pat, AJ, and everybody, all the guys, dealing with the team, because you've got to be the guy that stands in front of these guys, just like, you know, when I came in and we talked about,

okay, here's Freeman, here's Lindley, this is how we're going to win this game. And you've got to sell and you've got to convince your ball club that that's actually going to freaking happen and and tell them the wives you know so those coaches in those situations are tough put in tough spots to stand in front of their team and say because it could be you know all personnel could be all GM could be the president could be the owner involved you know wanting all this to happen yet in the meantime they don't have to go walk into that team meeting room, you know, every single day and stand in front of the guys that are, you know, putting their asses on the line every single, you know, Sunday, Monday, Thursday,

whatever it is, to go win football games. And they have relationships, and they love those players. And nobody wanted to see Vaughn. And you, by the way, are viewed as a head coach. Like, oh, this person has a better relationship with the GM, the front office, than all of us. But you still have to give up a unified front to the team. And B-Flow's in an interesting spot down there, especially now that Chris Greer is speaking about the whole situation and the owner.

I mean, coaching during trade deadlines. Because we brought in uh trent remember we sent a first rounder for trent richardson and that was hyped up around the entire city like everybody jim ursae was tweeting hey i'm sending a big plane to go pick up a big bit like it was a massive ordeal and in the locker room we were excited i think people were excited but there's also like oh well who's gonna be out of here then that like what does that mean it's a fascinating dynamic in the uh the human business that is the NFL. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Coach, if you're Bob Sala and the Jets, how do you handle having Zach Wilson and you already spending the number two pick on him and then also Magic Mike fucking White Lightning who just slung the ball around the yard? Like if he continues to play well, do you think they have an actual competition or no matter

what is it Zach Wilson yeah what a great job that magic white what do they call them white lightning hell yeah 405 yards three tutties you know that's amazing yeah that's a that's a great question and uh maybe talk to your trainers and maybe it's one of those things where you know hey Zach you're you're quite not ready. You know, if Mike keeps doing well, he's going to play another week. Maybe that injury lingers on and on and on and on. And maybe you don't have to really have that conversation. But the fact of the matter is, is where you took, you know, Zach,

as soon as he's healthy and back out there, you're going to have to put him back out there. That's just how the National Football League works. You took that guy, you know, number two overall. He's your franchise. He's your future. He's this, he's that. So very, very interesting, you know, dynamic there, especially, you know, when a guy comes in and, you know, again, nobody thought that Jets had any chance to beat the Bengals. And this kid comes in and does what he does, and I guess you guys said that Zach was even fired up, right? Yeah, Mike White said Zach

was more fired up than he was. Yeah, he's probably had enough. He might be saying, okay, you're one. We're in a rebuild. I need a little bit of time. I've been getting the shit kicked out of me. I'm throwing to the opponent more than I am. My own guys, I mean, they're catching more footballs. Maybe it's time for me just to take a breather here and sit back. But I don't know. In all seriousness, that'll be a tough one, especially if that kid continues to win for them.

I didn't even think about Zach maybe relishing the opportunity to watch somebody else play for a little bit and watch the season and then potentially having a restart next year as like okay here you go mike white that's an incredible opportunity another chance out on thursday when he comes into lucas oil stadium yeah that place gonna be rocking in there on thursday night go ahead tom coach speaking of that like these teams playing with backup quarterbacks and they go in with like the the free feeling and nothing to lose feeling does that last for more than one game like is that, is that a style you could keep going with for the rest of the season?

You know, I don't think so. I think it's more to do with, you know, from a defensive perspective and being on the defensive side of the ball for my entire career, anytime you see a backup, you really don't have a book on the guy. You don't have a body of work. You don't have the film that you have on the starter. So there were times when we were really, you know, afraid of, hey, let's be careful and not

knock out the number one because we definitely don't want to see the number two because number one, we don't know a thing about him. And number two, he might be more athletic. He might be more mobile. He's going to come in, you know, with that gunslinger mindset you just talked about. He's got nothing to lose, you know, so he's going to play free. He's going to have a blast.

And God forbid he starts to complete a bunch of balls and have a bunch of success and just build on that and that momentum. So it's an interesting deal for sure. So really tough, you know, to prepare for those guys because you don't have a bunch of, you know, tape on them, you don't have a body of work. And it's like a new coordinator on offense or defense or special teams and a new, you know, whatever in your division.

It takes you a little bit to really get an idea of how this guy operates. You're saying they're going to potentially figure out Magic Mike, White Lightning. Oh, okay. Hey, by the way, there's been some players that have completely debunked that entire thing. Remember, everybody said that Lamar Jackson was going to get figured out.

Do you remember that? Lamar Jackson's been figured out. That was what people were talking about. And it was like, well, he's still an alien, right? Yeah, I mean, he's still faster than everybody on the the field he's still more explosive than everybody on the field but it does feel like there's fads in things that you find the amount of detail in film that is something i don't think that gets talked about a lot is it is deep like we see do your job with the belichick regime obviously and we have incredible access up there and allegedly they saw something on film where

julio j Jones's right foot had to have had something wrong with it because he couldn't cut as good to the left and he must have had something wrong with his foot so they played it accordingly is that does that happen all the time and what are some little things that happen in the film room that you can carry in the games or throughout your career that has happened no absolutely and to have those tips on guys i mean we had ben rothensberger for years until it got out and and somebody somebody let it out that you know when his heel was on the ground his back foot when it was on the ground it was running was in the air it was passed you know so there's little things like that we ran into a team not less than a year ago where you study the offensive line,

and sometimes you'll have the interior of the line, the center and the two guards at three points, and the tackles will be in two points. And then sometimes they're all down, sometimes they're all up. But there's times where you can find one dude, and this guy, if he's down in a three-point, it's 98% run. And if he's up in a three point it's 98 percent run and if he's up in a two-point stance it's it's the other way 98 percent pass so that's one of those things that when you dive into the tape and you start to drill this stuff down the defensive line coach he'll lock in because that's his only deal is studying those offensive line and getting run

tips and pass tips. You know, linebacker, coach, same thing. Secondary guy, he's got to study wide receivers and figure out he's going to go, OK, when this guy is plus two from the numbers, that means outside the numbers towards the sideline. When he's plus two, here's his routes. When he's on the outside edge of the numbers, here's the two routes that he runs. And when he's on the inside edge of the numbers, every time he's on the inside edge, he runs a shallow cross. So if I'm a D-back, okay, and my coach tells me that, I can study, I can go watch it because he's put together a video, he's put together a

tape that will just, you know, back up, you know, this information that he's just given me. So I'll watch all these, watch all these two routes when he's plus two, outside edge of the numbers, inside edge of the numbers. And so when that happens and that comes up and I'm in a one-on-one situation, that's when I take my, this is an opportunity to win this rep because I know exactly what this kid's going to run based on my film study. That's amazing. That's the detail and the diligence that happens at the NFL level, and that's why coaches never see their family. Go ahead, Ty.

Coach, when you look at a team like the Lions, who have basically just given up, it looks like, I mean, we heard all offseason when Dan Campbell got hired that everyone loved him, but after last game, they get their asses beat, he doesn't cry. I think some of his players think he's a phony. Like, does he know, like, can you feel the locker room just being lost? And, like, because now there's reports coming out that, you know,

he's actually blaming the players a bunch, and, like, the seeds of dissension are kind of out there. Like, how do you save the locker room at this point? Wow. You got to win. kind out there like how do you how do you save the locker room at this point wow you gotta win bottom line i don't know if they can i've got friends there and i i sure hope they do because i love you know a couple guys on the staff that i've worked with and they're really good coaches and good people but you gotta win and if you don't you know, then you don't have a leg to stand on. You know, you can go in there and, you know, it only lasts so long. You know, the rah-rah speeches and the win-win for the Gipper and this, and I'm speaking from experience.

You know, but at the end of the day, whatever you're preaching and whatever you're saying, the fruit's your labor. We've got to get a W, and if we don't get a W, until that happens, it's going to be the same old frigging Lions. You know, they are who we thought they are. You know what I mean? You know, so, I mean, that's just reality. You know, and I like the guy, too, and I'd love to play for him. We'd all love to have our kids play for him. He seems like one of those guys.

But it's a bottom line business. If you win, you stay. If you're productive on the field, you stay. And if you're not, your ass is out. Coach, last question here. And you are a college coach. So obviously you're big in the recruiting game and relationships and everything like that with the player. And you're, I think every player would say that they love playing for you. You're a player coach. Whenever you see situations happen, like in Baltimore with the Raven, who got shot, the who got shot in his leg I guess it's not life-threatening and then obviously Henry Ruggs uh just posted bail $150,000 bail he was I guess his car was at 156 miles an hour

just moments before impact and 127 miles an hour whenever the airbags exploded uh while driving with point i mean it was it's it's very sad how do you you know avoid those what do you try to do how do you get players to you know buy into like the real world because i was young and very dumb i mean i was intoxicated walking the streets of indianapolis when i got pulled over and what like or not pulled over i was not driving i I got actually surrounded. And then, you know, put in the back of a wagon. They had me both hands and ankles bottled. Really? The shackled you?

I was not running anywhere. It was freezing cold that night. I guess. It was very cold. I was not going anywhere. They were putting me in the back of a wagon. I know it wasn't as freezing as it was wherever I was. But how do you try? Like, what do you think old Rich Bisacci is saying to the team?

You know, because they're obviously, somebody passed away. A dog passed away as well. So incredibly sad. I assume Ruggs is liked by his teammates. Like, that whole situation in Baltimore. How do you try to kind of keep everybody, you know, in the same page of like, hey, there's more to life than the crazy shit, you know, is that something you've ever thought about? And is that if that's too deep of a question? I apologize. No, it's, it's very, very sad. Very tragic. You know,

because we've all, like you said, we've all made some really, really poor decisions, you know, in our life, you know, and especially, you know, can imagine, you know, 22 years old and you got a bank account full of money and, and you're this great, great player and, and all that stuff is really hard to deal with, you know, so it's, it's education. You know, there's so many lives that are impacted by this, you know, Henry's, I mean, he's got a beautiful, beautiful career and life ahead of him. And that's probably out the window right now. And unfortunately for the person who deceased, I mean, that life's over. Her family's impacted.

So it's just so damn tragic. And, you know, like David Thornton, you know, shout out to him. He does a phenomenal job as the player engagement guy, educating the players. There's so many other ways. You guys talked about it earlier yesterday, the day before when this came out, you know, about you don't have to get behind the wheel anymore, you know especially where where that's at so you educate you hope you got a bunch of veteran guys around the younger guys because it's a bye week both teams are on the bye so that's all we talked about is is being smart you know when we have that extra time you got to be smart you got to put yourself um in in really good situations You can't put yourself in poor situations.

And, you know, you hope the veterans grab the young guys and somebody there says, hey, no, you're not doing this. You know, and I don't know what the circumstances were, if there was anybody, you know, that could have, you know, maybe diffused this whole deal. We don't know all the logistics of what everything went on, but you just talk about it to your guys over and over and over, and you show them articles,

and hopefully it's nothing to this magnitude, you know. But you educate your players, and it's real. Life can change in an instant, Coach. It's real. No, it's so fragile. It is. It it's so fragile and that's why i'm so appreciative of every single day and appreciative of every conversation we get to have with you on wednesdays of this nfl season sir are you in idaho back in idaho how is it you get you did cross-country drive there were you in you were just in a car you should have got like streamlined, the RV, did the whole thing,

the old retired life. We drove my daughter's car because that's the car that my grandson rides around in all the time, so it's got the baby seat already in there, locked down. I mean, I think it's welded. I think it's welded in there. It's got the roll bar and an X7 BMW. So we had a fantastic, we had a great trip.

It was so much fun. I got to go see my mom and dad and a couple of my siblings who are still living in Colorado and introduce, you know, great grandson. We had four generations of Paganos around at the pizzeria celebrating my sister's wedding. It was a great, great time. I'm living a good life and I'm glad that I'm not Matt LaFleur today and having to deal with all the things. Kevin Stefanski.

Coach Matt, Kevin Stefanski. B-Flow. OBJ. OBJ, dealing with wide receivers, Pat, they all want the ball. Give me the damn ball. There's only one football, okay? And we've got five skilled positions, and we're going to hand it off a good majority of the time because we found out that if you control the clock, you win the time of position,

you win the rush game, and you don't turn the ball over, you have a good chance. So we're not going to throw it every down, all right? Now, if you're over Sirianni, now he likes to throw it every down. So maybe they should go get OBJ. But those guys are always going to want the football. So you've got to manage them. But certainly you don't think you've got to manage the dad. You know, OBS out on social media talking shit about your quarterback.

He don't like him and all this. Too much freaking drama. The divas just, I mean, there's one commonality in this whole thing, right? What's the common theme here? What is it? Is it Cleveland? Is it that city? Is it New York?

What is it? What's the common theme here? Let's go. Let's go, Chuck. Okay. I hear what you're saying. We understand table here? Okay. Let's go. Let's go, Chuck. Okay. I hear what you're saying. We understand what you're saying. It's wild.

Hey, Andrew Barry's in the middle of that right now because if they release him, and did you know that you probably did. I mean, you were in the NFL last year. I didn't know veteran players had to go through the waiver. I thought they were cool once they got cut or whatever. Now vets have to go through the waiver wire. I guess that is within the last four years. Where the fuck have I been following the league?

I am so sorry. I can't believe the NFLPA let that happen, however that got negotiated in there. But I think the roll of the dice here is Andrew Barry doesn't know if he cuts him and he gets picked up somewhere, they pay the $8.05 million guaranteed during the rest of the season. I think he's okay with that. If he cuts him and he clears the waivers,

they owe him $8.05 million and he could potentially go to another team where Andrew Barry has to watch highlights of him and him double dip somewhere else. So I think that's what Andrew Barry's going through right now. And Stefanski's what? Just like, I don't even know what to do. I have no idea what to do. Is that, is that where he's sitting? You think?

Yeah, no doubt about it. Didn't you say earlier that they said uh hold on a sec you're not practicing today yeah they sent him home okay so again where there's smoke there's fire so there's there's no there's no reason i mean you sent a kid home he said no you need to take today off yeah there's something there's something definitely going on there um it's never good when this kind of thing happens you know off. Yeah, there's something definitely going on there. It's never good when this kind of thing happens. You know, the relationship, if there's something wrong,

obviously there's got to be something wrong between the wideout and the quarterback. But, yeah, you know, Andrew's jumping through all those hoops. The waiver thing, Pat, I'm with you. I haven't been on that side for a while yet, so I don't know from a veteran standpoint that they got to clear the same way anybody else has to clear. But all those hoops that you got to jump through and the hurdles that you got to get over and making these dealings, like who's going to pay the salary? How much are you on the hook for? Is the other team going to do that? What are you getting in return? Because every team wants to have the upper leg. You want to say,

okay, in this trade, we made out better than you. So they're looking out, obviously, for their own best answers. Andrew Barry's a smart, smart dude. You know that. He's a brilliant guy. He's done a great job building that roster and that team, and he'll figure this thing out. I think so. I think Andrew will figure it out. But I would like to let everybody know the Broncos got fucking killed in that deal with the Rams. Now, you can pepper it and paint it however you want, and maybe that second and that third will be able to be bundled with others and they'll get maybe their next Von Miller.

Maybe they'll get the next Von Miller or maybe a quarterback or whatever the case is. So we'll see how it all pans out. You know what's crazy? Go out. You know what's crazy? Go ahead. You know what's crazy? I know you've got to go. You've got a guy in your hair saying, hey, we've got to go to Coach Bray. Shut Coach up. Get him off the freaking No, no, no. We make those rules around

here. Just like we were tight cops. Sorry. Hey, so when I was in Colorado, I went to see my nephew, Brody, play his little eighth grade football game. and that's my brother John's son youngest son whose coach is the outside linebackers at Denver and two players showed up to Brody's game one was Kyle Fuller who I had in Chicago

so he came over surprised me had no idea that he was going to be there so I got to to see Kyle who's on that roster and and Von Miller uh showed up and and watched uh you know Johnny's son play a half of football and and there were so many people little kid can you imagine Von showing up to a little Pop Warner football game yeah you know uh in the middle of Denver and he signed every football every hat I got so much mad respect for this, not only for what he's done in this league, but as a human being and as a person. And then to take the time, because it's a Saturday, you get done with practice, you know, on a home game.

And then you have a window before you have to be at the hotel, you know, and sleep in those really comfy beds, which I think makes no fucking sense. Not at all. Not. You know, none. But he comes and he shows up, and mad respect for him. I know he's going to be sorely missed there in Denver, but he has a very good landing spot.

He's going to be in L.A. He's on a great football team that looks like they're headed for the playoffs, obviously, and making a big run in the playoffs. Yeah, and the good thing for your brother in the broncos is they'll pay for his salary to go do that and they'll get a second and third round in return it's very nice to them uh just like it's nice for you to share your time we can't appreciate you enough uh paizon ladies and gentlemen the head coach chuck mcgarner thank you so sorry to interrupt but if you have ever wanted to make your home feel safer, there is no better time than now. This week, our friends at SimpliSafe are giving our listeners 40% off their award-winning home security.

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Let's go ahead and bring in a guy Who's been a quarterback in the NFL Starter and backup A stallion A man who does go down to the Kentucky Derby He's inoculated with a good time because you can do shots, right? Of course.

Shot. You can do shot, shot, shot, shot, shot, shot, shot. Yeah, yeah, you can do that. Ladies and gentlemen, Cast Dog. What's up, boy? Hey, Cast Dog. What's going on? Cast Dog, it is great to be here with you.

I can't believe I missed the last time you were on. You told like four electrifying stories. I watched them later. You are a legend find, sir. Oh, it's good to be with you boys today. Let's go, fellas. Let's go. You're doing the Smackdown thing, right?

Smackdown Fridays or whatever you were. And then you had bad internet reception. It was fine. I'm totally fine with that. Yeah, well, I got kicked out of my hotel. It was feel-good Friday, but it was bad news Friday as well, that particular day. So I didn't have a place to do it.

Went on the street. Got a chance to hear you afterwards. You made my life better with your story about Tom Brady and all that. Just want to say thank you for your time. Let's talk about the subject that is this morning. And I don't want to ask you, because I'm not a show that is going to be a show. Like, hey, you know what?

Why don't you go ahead as a professional quarterback, take this platform to give a speech about medicine. Like, I'm not going to do that. But I will talk about what does this affect, you think, the team, the locker room? Because allegedly the Halloween party was awesome. There's potentially more COVID positive cases coming out. Jordan Love is about to play. Maybe. He's probably at that party, too. There's potentially more COVID positive cases coming out. Jordan Love is about to play. Maybe.

He's probably at that party too. I mean, how do you feel like the entire locker room handles this type of situation, Cast Dog? Oh, man, they got to rally. But at the same time, look, it's Aaron Rodgers. It's not like one of your role players. It's not Devontae Adams, even as good as he is. And you miss the guy like that.

But this is your leader. This is your quarterback. So the response is they're probably pissed off. And I don't think it's so much that Aaron Rodgers is the fact that they're going into a big game this week. They're at the head of the NFC right now. They're fighting for that number one seed, which you know home field advantage means so much. And now you have a guy, Jordan Love, who's unproven that now has to go out and perform well against a really good team and go out and get a win for you. And it sucks, but it's the

world that we live in. Yeah, it's crazy because the world that we live in outside of the NFL seems to be, and I might be wrong here. I just turn on the TV and see arenas and stadiums and everything. It seems like a lot of the world is potentially back, but the NFL has these protocols and there's just, everybody's point is if you want to be in the league, it's a privilege, not a right. These are the fucking rules. You have to do it.

The party being the whole thing. I mean, it is, it's going to be a shit storm, cast dog. This is going to be a big deal, especially when the NFL starts getting targeted in some fit, you know,

it is going to be a shit storm. And the fact of the matter is, like you said, as a player and as organizations, you feel like you're out of a shit storm and the fact of the matter is like you said as a player and as organizations you feel like you're out of that early storm of covid right where now now things have kind of gone back to normalcy you get to go out you get to do those things that you didn't get to do as a team last year you go to the halloween party but then all of a sudden you have a breakout and like you said the ramifications now are that you're rolling as a team you've got

momentum and then for god forbid something else and you got more breakout now more key players go down and now you're playing with a bunch of backups and you start to lose that momentum and then you go on a few games skid and there's losses there'll be a lot more repercussions from that than there will be from just having a good time at a halloween party yeah agree at halloween you know i love halloween party yeah me too i would too. I would have gone. I would have gone. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Like the NFL Halloween party tradition is a real one. That happens almost every single, Von Miller just came out. He's paying a hundred some thousand dollars for the party. I mean, that happens everywhere. You know, like it is one of those things where it's a tradition and obviously it's not going to be great. But you said the backup comes in and something bad happens.

And I think you were talking about Jordan love there potentially. And we don't know, right. With Jordan love. If he was also at the Halloween party, we assume he's vaccinated. So hopefully that'll fend it off. I was vaccinated and got a breakthrough case.

Not saying that's a lot, but who knows what's going to happen with this fucking COVID thing. But this past weekend, backups dominated. Hey, boom. Hey, backups dominated. Why is that?

What do you think it is about backups that show up and kind of make the most of it where? Some cases a backup comes in and it's just the entire energy has left the team the stadium everything Why is that you think is it the is it the person is it the players at the schemes at the culture? What do you think it is? You know, it's a little bit of everything. And I've been in the spectrum of, look, I've come in and played really well as a backup and I've come in and played like absolute dog shit as a backup. So, so it's one of those things you go out there and you start playing. And particularly when you get a week of practice for some of these backups, like Mike White went out there and was absolutely phenomenal. And it looked like a completely

different offensive team. I mean, the way that he started the game, the the way that he finished I think he was 14 for 16 to end the game through three touchdowns I mean he was incredible Cooper Rush did an outstanding job as well and then Trevor Simeon stepping in the role that he had to in that type of game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and win a divisional game to put them in a great position I mean it's hard to say where the success comes from but you got to give a ton of credit also to the coaching staff, having those guys prepared, having those guys ready to play, because God knows as a backup quarterback, you get limited reps, if any reps during the week.

You're running scout teams where defensive coordinators are sitting there telling you, hey, I'm circling this guy. I want you to throw an interception. I don't want you to go through a progression. I want you to go, you know that you won't throw this ball in the game, but I want to see if this guy can catch a ball. So you get into bad habits, but then when those guys step on the field, you know what? You just never know what you're going to get. And those guys all stepped up and were gamers this weekend. I mean, it was great to see.

Hey, whenever you see a quarterback, and thank you for that insight, by the way, because you are one of the, I mean, not one of the only, but there is a small community of you guys. I think the backup quarterback community is a real one. Am I wrong on that or right? Oh, no, for sure. You've got respect for all those guys because you know what they go through. And then also, I've been, like I said, been a star in this league. I've been a backup in this league.

But also, you respect the guys that play the position, particularly the guys that get opportunities to step in. Look, that's how my whole opportunity in my career got set on this course for 14 years was the fact that I was backing up and I got an opportunity and stepped in and played well. And for all these guys, look, there's a lot of talent in this league at the quarterback position, but you never know what you're going to get until you get that opportunity. So it's fun to watch these guys go and excel and hopefully extend their career. As you got older and you were a backup, right? I think that happened down in Tennessee. I'm not

sure. I think if I'm not mistaken, I think so. When Hasselbeck was brought into Indy to basically be like a mentor for Luck, Hasselbeck told us about the mentality when he had to decide, like, okay, I'm cool with being the older veteran backup now. You know, like he said that was not an easy decision for him to make. Now, I don't want to know about that decision for you, but I do want to know about how the do you feel like you owe the team to be a coach to be a teammate to be are you serving the starting quarterback are you like what do you how do

you view that as a back like Matt Hasselbeck it felt like he was the person that people would come to to ask a question to Andrew like hey how do I word this question to Andrew who should I be at it was almost like he was in between the coaches in the locker room almost. Is that what it's like to be a backup quarterback? And what are all the responsibilities you think? Especially as you, yeah, especially as you get older, right? And you come in and you've got a younger player. Look, you got a, you have a wealth of knowledge. And I was lucky enough to play with, you know, start my career with Tom Brady and play with a lot of incredible players throughout my career. But then you also learn, look, what questions do you need to ask? The advice that you might give a young starting

quarterback, hey, be vocal, go in there and tell them if you like plays or don't like plays, because half the time is when you're a young quarterback, you're going out there and running whatever's called. But at some point, you have to realize that you're going to be successful if they call the plays that you like. You'll make it work, right, somehow, some way. And then, like you said, there's got to be that healthy balance of pushing that guy to be better and the competitor, but at the same time let him know, hey, I've got your back, brother.

I'm going to be here for you. It's such a – you know how it is in those groups, right? Well, that's the Mike White – hey, that Mike White-Zack Wilson thing is interesting. You know, because he was those groups, right? Well, that's the Mike White quarterback group. That Mike White-Zack Wilson thing is interesting. Now, that is interesting. Yeah, because he was brought in to be a backup for sure. Number two overall pick. He's been around a little bit, a couple years at least.

They trust him. They like him for the practice. But if you're Mike White, you've got to be thinking, hey, I can go get this job maybe. But there's no way in reality he has a chance. So, you know, with the number two overall pick being spent on him, the NFL, there's no way they're not going to give Zach Wilson a chance. That's a fascinating situation, Cast Dog. It is, and it's a fascinating situation also because Coach Salem in his first year

as a head coach wants to go out and show that his methodology and how he approaches the game, that they can win games. And even though Zach Wilson wasn't performing, hey, look, we might want to put this kid out there, Mike, and see if he can continue to play and continue to stack up wins and turn the season around a little bit for us. But inevitably, you know, look, there's politics involved. Zach Wilson's going to be battled on that field.

They're going to live or die with the sword right now, and that's how it's going to go. Go ahead, Ty. Cast Dog, when you were in the league would you look around uh at like certain guys who are playing and maybe see like okay like a guy who maybe went in the first round or was a starter but you could tell like okay this guy's gonna end up being like a backup in this league for a long time like i feel like we look at tua and he's not really getting that fair of a shot but it seems like it could be a situation where if he doesn't get another opportunity to start he's just going to be you know a 10-year vetted backup and that's

part of that role too is when you're drafted high whether it's first or second round and you start your career and you start when you're at a very young age and you don't excel and it could be look there's so many different circumstances why guys aren't successful at a young age not only their youth their their experience, but it might be the organization, the people that they're surrounding him with, the weapons that they have on the outside. But like you just alluded to, look, the fact of the matter is, when you're a first round pick, you're going to get opportunities to go other places and be a backup somewhere because there's a reason why you're picked in the first round. People know

that you have physical ability, but it might be the wrong situation. And at the same time, they might want to bring you in and say, hey, look, if this guy falters whatsoever, even if he's a veteran backup, we've got a first-round guy that has potential. Now, it's on our shoulders of whether or not we can bring that potential out. That's amazing. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Cash Dog.

Today, Odell was getting ready for practice, and then they told him to sit down, and it was right after the trade deadline, rather. Have you been on a team where that happens? Is it a safe assumption that he might be getting released? Cash Dog, did you celebrate that? Yeah, you know, I mean, I'm not one of those guys that are a big fan of, you know, when you're going through a season,

and I know that that team's struggling a little bit right now, and then for all the outside noise to come in, particularly when it relates to family members and everybody else coming out because you know it's going to go out there. You know everybody's going to be talking about it in the media. And then as a player, as a quarterback, and a guy that you have to trust on the field, how do you trust a guy like that, you know,

when you're getting in the huddle and you're in the nitty-gritty of it right and you need a first down and you're looking across and saying this guy doesn't believe in me so how am i going to believe in him because i know that he he knew that probably something was going to come out at that situation you know what i mean hey so it's it's an interesting circumstance don't you love whenever everybody says hey we got to keep all the noise out of the building it always gets in the building it's just talked about and handled and then moved along. You know, like OBS talking about OBJ being screwed by Baker Mayfield is definitely a conversation that happened in the locker room somewhere. Oh, yeah.

Like, hey, Odell, your dad, what happened with your dad? And I guess the answer was not satisfactory enough for the Browns for them just to say, you know what, that's crazy to me, especially with Odell Beckham Jr. It's just what a fascinating story. But there's going to be teams that are going to line up. LeBron was tweeting about it. He's from Ohio. Cleveland guys.

From a free this guy. What in the heck is going on? Get him out of here. Get him out. Look, I've been around. Look, those wide receivers, i love them to death because they can make plays for you and at the same time they're competitors but at times you know it's hard for them to swallow their egos it's hard for them to swallow their pride when they look around

the league and guys that they look at as their peers and people that they look at that they're equal in talent level and not getting their catches but they're not getting their notoriety it's hard for them to go out and be happy and and just do their job and think team first but that's the hardest part for some of these wide receivers to do is it's all about winning man we're here to win championships if you win championships you'll be recognized in history if you don't and you're just one of those guys that go out and you excel by yourself yeah you'll be recognized as a great player but you won't be a guy that goes down as one of the best because you've won championships yeah the the saying is when you win there's enough to go around basically if you're on a winning team and you're in the super bowl there's a hundred million people plus

watching the super bowl your name's everywhere especially if you're a wide receiver but i think the conversation about legacies now strictly revolving in the wide receiver thing about numbers and highlights and everything like that i think it's only going to continue to push that because guys have to think about themselves and especially in a position that is so dependent upon somebody else like yourself or like baker i i just don't know how this ever stops you know i think it's only going to continue to be like this as opposed to uh stopping you go ahead ton cast on your i mean you're still in the nfl quarterback circles i assume how is it that russell wilson just heals so quickly works harder phil 413 dude that's right yeah you know what i've had a few hand surgeries and i've gone to those

hands therapists and i'm sitting there going oh my god i'm never gonna get healthy because the little things i just don't know what russell wil does. He might be genetically a little bit different. And at the same time, he must have a really good hand therapist. Cause I mean, it took me a long time to get my hand strengthened because there's those little muscles and all that stuff. But you know what? You just never know, man.

I have no idea how he's going to come back so quickly. Hey, what do you say to rock and roll? It was Phil 413. Yeah. All things are possible with Jesus. All right. Amen. That's right, baby.

Hey, that's right. Phil 413. He is my healer, my comforter, my provider. Wasn't supposed to throw for a while, a few weeks, but by prayer and dedication and tremendous help from my performance team, today was my first day back one step at a time. Russell Wilson's banging and clanging in the gym. He's already back. He was doing fake two-minute offenses all by himself in the middle of stadiums

just a couple weeks ago. Now, with his six-person performance team that always has him in the greatest of shape, he's throwing weights around and throwing footballs as well. Castle, what a day. Barefoot. It's amazing, though. I mean, he obviously is a guy that works hard, has tremendous dedication, has a team in place and he's ready to go in barefoot.

I'll tell you what, that that makes it that's the difference maker right there, the balance and everything else going on. Let's be honest. Yeah, you got to be grounded. You know, let the Lord bless your boy. Oh, yeah. That's right. You said can't thank you enough for joining us. We're going to go through the cast dog power rankings. I think we we should put a graphic up of that too, not just a video. Yeah, what do we got? What do we got? The Power Rankings? Who do I have this week? Cast Dog!

Ladies and gentlemen. Yes, I did. I had the Packers, boy, for the first time all year. I mean, look, they went down, took care of business against the Arizona Cardinals, missing Devontae Adams, Alan Lazard, but they rushed the Rock for like 150. The Rams, man, they just got better, right? I mean, how scary is that defense right now with Aaron Donald, Vaughn Miller? But nobody even talks about Leonard Floyd, who has six and a half sacks. They're not going to be able to block that team.

And Matthew Stafford, I mean, he's playing phenomenal. Cooper Cupp, the relationship that they have, I think they've got 10 touchdowns already on the season. They're crazy. And I still like the Arizona Cardinals. I mean, barring injury to one of those guys, but I mean, Kyler Murray, the way he's played, the weapons they have, but they do need to sure up that run defense. They're struggling a little bit on that run defense, and it was a big loss

with J.J. Watt. Well, I'll tell you what, the Dallas Cowboys fans ain't going to be happy because there was a lot of shows. No, they're not. They had a lot of shows, but the ESPN Power Rankings pretty similar to the Cast On. Oh! Oh!

I don't know if that's good or bad. Yeah. That's what I just said as well. But we know at least you're on to something. You got the same algorithm.

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Ty Schmidt has been handing out merch to folks in there. It's a beautiful thing. I'm so appreciative of you. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these beautiful people into a great What the Hell is Going On in the World Wednesday. And then tomorrow we're back for a risk-free same-game parlay. Thursday night football thursday that's going to be remembered for all time when we fucking finally hit all right let's go Thank you. សូវាប់បានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបា Thank you. សូវាប់បានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបា Bye.