The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 540 - Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Jordan Poyer, LeSean McCoy, Jay Glazer, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

On today's show, Pat and the boys chat about Tom Brady's documentary on ESPN+ "The Man In The Arena," and welcome several great guests starting with friend of the program and Safety for the Buffalo Bills, Jordan Poyer. Pat, Jordan, and AJ Hawk chat about this year's Bills team, what feels different, what it's like in the locker room after Josh Allen got paid and how he's leading the team, his relationship with Micah Hyde and why they think they're the best Safety tandem in the league, a tough matchup this weekend against the Indianapolis Colts, and more (14:59-27:46). Next, joining the program for his weekly Coach Us Up segment, former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano to chat about everything going on in the NFL, and how the transition from coaching to retired life has been (40:03-1:09:54). Later, 2x Super Bowl Champion, 6x Pro Bowler, 2x All-Pro, future Hall of Famer, LeSean McCoy joins Pat and AJ to chat about his biggest takeaways from the NFL season so far, how he had to mature as he got older in the league, why he thinks the Bucs are going to be just fine, and much more (1:09:56-1:34:46). Lastly, FOX NFL Insider and friend of the show, Jay Glazer joins the show to chat about OBJ's desire to go to LA, his new book coming out that goes into his struggles with his mental health, and what he should keep our eyes out for in the coming weeks of the NFL season (1:36:05-1:59:25). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach Us Up Chuck Wednesday, November 17th, 2021. Huge show. So many guests, you're going to lose your mind. Obviously, Chuck Pagano is here. Can't thank him enough. LaShawn McCoy stops by. Great conversation. Jordan Poyer, safety of the Buffalo Bills that the Colts are playing this weekend,

stops by for a chat. And Jay Glazer gives an incredible testimony live from Michael Strahan's 50th birthday celebration that he will say he was in North Dakota but we actually saw the FaceTime he's in some Caribbean island that's how they fucking do it great conversations were had by all uh we can't thank you enough for joining us if you like the show by the end of it please be a friend tell a friend if not just act like it never fucking happened. Let's get to it. Because we have a slew of guests.

Hashtag J New, Jay Glazer in about 10 minutes. Yeah. I think he's down at, I think he's at Strahan's birthday celebration and is currently

in a Caribbean island. Oh, that's diesel. Yeah. Who's who i think strahan hey he's turned 50 maybe i think he's would he be 50 so it's a big one it's one of the big ones so he wouldn't be 60 he's definitely older than 40 yeah so it's probably the 50th celebration is happening down there jay glazer's calling he's got a book coming out january 25th i guess called unbreakable and And also, he knew that OBJ

was guiding his ship the entire time. It was going to end up in the Rams. What else can we potentially look forward to or know about? Hashtag JNew is always known. He joins us. Chuck Pagano obviously joins us in the second hour to coach us up on all the situations happening around the NFL and coaches seats and a vision from

a guy that's actually been there and had to deal with the entire onslaught of bullshit that is an NFL season for the head coach of NFL teams, LaShawn McCoy, who joined us. Yeah. Hey, he joined us one time previously. Great conversation. Great. I'm a big LaShawn McCoy fan.

Can't wait to chat with him about all the things happening in his world. How about the Buccaneers, Shady? What do you think's going on down there? He was in that locker room. He was also in the Chiefs locker room a couple years ago. His records and numbers speak for themselves. An absolute superstar on the field. Can't wait to chat with him.

And then Jordan Poyer will also join us. Okay. Another friend of the program. That's a lot of people. Jordan Poyer, great conversation. He talked to us about his life and the decisions he made in his personal life and how the football life has gotten better. And now he plays for the Bills, obviously.

Colts going in Buffalo to beat the fuck out of them this weekend. Potentially the best safety tandem in the league. Legit. And he flies around and hits the hell out of people. He's a great conversation on the field. Perhaps. Bet. Bet.

But what if he makes a massive play and then just like dances on my grave in there? No, not with Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, by the way, Jonathan Taylor, I'm going to ask if he even knows what he's getting into with Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, that's right. Hey, have you just had like maybe a cow that runs a 4-4 run into your face this week? Is that what old Sean McDermott's got you guys doing on the defensive side to prepare for Jonathan Taylor? Can't wait to talk about that. That's, by the way, massive game of the weekend. Oh, yeah.

Colts-Bills is huge. Colts are hot. Bills have found themselves after potentially disappearing there against Jacksonville. What happened? We'll ask Jordan. They're always an incredible... I really enjoy this Bills team. The way they go about their business, the way they act, the way they handle it. I really like the way this Bills team. Yeah. The way they go about their business, the way they act, the way they handle it.

I really like the way this Bills team has been constructed from old Bean and McDermott and the patience and everything like that. I hate to break it to you, boys. Old Frank Reich and Jonathan Taylor. That's right. Hey, and this can't, because Hard Knocks is tonight. Yeah. And it's the Colts in season Hard Knocks.

And I think they're potentially sending me over a clip that we can run on this. Oh, nice. I think. I don't know. Steak preview. I got a text from somebody at HBO and was like, hey, Pat, insert name here from Hard Knocks. We have a clip that we have cut specifically for you and your show, if you wouldn't mind running it to preview tonight's hard knocks or whatever and i was like very nice of you how the fuck did you get my number yeah sure fair

i would like to know who is potentially and uh i was explained that the way it went about is a good friend of mine in the building you know that so all of my friends that work in a building still whether it's the equipment staff the athletic training staff the marketing people the sales people the people that i have known for a long time that it cooks like the people that they said that this hard knocks crew is like the nicest crew of all time really yeah they said it incredible to work with they understand that there's probably a lot of hesitancy from the teams because they've been there done that for so long because it's so much secrecy like the amount in in NFL films obviously owns it. So it's the league is ultimately in charge

of what goes out and what doesn't go out. But you got to remember teams thought that planes flying too low were potentially other teams trying to scout and steal information. That is how competitive, and those are things that would be done by teams, by the way, to try to get a little bit of intel on a team to potentially beat them.

Because there's billions and billions of dollars at play. So you can't think that billionaires won't be able to do anything they possibly can do to get an edge. Which leads me to the New England Patriots. Hell yeah. Okay. me too the new england patriots hell yeah okay and the reason why i tell that story is because when i was young in the nfl my first couple years i was standing on the sideline like this during a training camp practice and it was an open practice so there was fans there and i don't remember if it was in terre haute or anderson depending upon which training camp location it was but

it was hot as hell there was a bunch of fans there and it was like shout out to you guys coming and watching it was a walkthrough period maybe. I don't even know. Damn. I don't know how anybody does it, but Peyton's on the team, so you're getting a chance to watch Peyton Manning do what he does. There was a conversation happening right behind me by Bill Polian, Bill Polian, Hall of Fame general manager, where he and somebody else,

and I don't remember if it was Bill that broached the subject or somebody to Bill broached the subject. And if they did that, that means that they felt comfortable enough to tell Bill this and maybe Bill Pullian thought this could be real. They thought there was a New England scout in the crowd documenting the practice. Might have been. Which, by the way, might have been. And it might not have just been New England, by the way.

At that point, Colts in england were going at it at tom payton i was at the tail end of that thing it was a big storyline so i think new england was just the natural team to potentially put that on but they're not the only squad that would potentially do that so hard knocks coming into a building and say hey we're gonna to film everything yeah your your team meetings your discussions about who you're going to cut who you're going to keep uh trade talks we're going to get all the intel that could potentially if lands in somebody else's hands fuck you over outright yeah so there's a lot of trust so i think the crew that has to go in there and i think a lot of the camera is like a big brother situation where it's just some ptz's that are being controlled from somewhere else but all those people

have to have the trust of every everybody in the building i think it's a real good relationship and i haven't heard a single bad thing from any of the people at the colts about it who knows how the show is going to go because if it's at the beginning of the season this team stunk uh-huh and if it's at the current time this team is wildly hot right now and i know like in a lot of the promos they've showed the win over San Francisco, so I'm wondering if tonight's episode will go, because I think they were there at the start of the season, right? They were filming a bunch of stuff, I guess.

Right, so it might cover the first five or six weeks of the season. Who knows? Colts are actually kind of the perfect team for it, because I don't think you want to see a team that's fucking terrible. I don't know if you want to see a team that's just casually just rolling through the season. Which, by the way, this year, nobody. Correct.

So anybody would have got it. But you're right. There's a real Hollywood-type run that is happening. Because if you look at the Colts in training camp, everybody was hurt. Brand new team. New quarterback. Weren't able to gel. And, I mean, I guess this is hindsight looking back

because we were riding the wave of them being 1-4-2. And I was thinking to myself into this microphone every single day, like, this roster is very fucking good. This team is – why are they losing? And it got hot in the streets for Chris Bauer and Frank Reich. I mean, it got hot. So much so that even Jim was being asked about it, or say as he's touring around this whole thing,

if they caught all that on camera and then this team is doing what they're doing right now and a superstar like Jonathan Taylor is about to be thrusted into the national spotlight even more so than he was when he was at Wisconsin or whatever, I think it could be the perfect story. To your point, Tom Diggs, it could be the great team. But how will this story end? TBD.

Speaking of TB as opposed to just TBD, TB12 story, I completely forgot how this thing began got a chance to watch a man in the arena last night on espn plus i guess it wasn't supposed to go live until nine but they accidentally put it live at midnight last night so we could have watched it before yesterday i think we could i did not know that either i actually got a call from connor and connor said hey it's up on espn plus right now and i think connor might have done a little searching around on the internet to find out it's been up since midnight last night or whatever so maybe espn plus did that on purpose like hey let's just go ahead and get this out here whenever you want to get it i was incredibly

impressed with the way it's going to be done i think now mocking the, um, like the still shot, the still frame that they used for the man in the arena. And then they had that guy who was presented by Under Armour, whatever that photo, it is just a still shot of a motion graphic. That is why Tom looks that way. So that was interesting that that is what they chose to have. Yeah.

Be the title, you know, picture basically the face of it all. But that story, I did not remember. And obviously, I was very young, 14, 13 years old. I lived in Pittsburgh, a city that hated New England, just like every other city, basically, that had to play against New England on a regular basis

or got in the way there. I thought Drew Bledsoe died on the field, which that shot, looking at it again i mean that was a square awkward shot i mean just absolutely crushed i thought in my head drew bledsoe dies tom brady comes in wins that game and never looks back i had no idea that drew bledsoe had to come back in like five six weeks he had internal had internal bleeding, and then he gets all the way back. He's a $103 million quarterback for the New England Patriots, the future of the New England Patriots,

the highest-paid quarterback in the NFL at that time. And then Bill Belichick's like, nah, I'm going to stick with Tom Brady, who has not done that great, by the way. He won a couple games, lost a couple games. It wasn't like that. Bill Belichick made a decision to go with the young guy as opposed to the person that they just paid the biggest. I didn't know that happened.

If that was happening in the middle of this social media world that we're in, it would have been so absurd the things that are being said because I think Bill Belichick would have been buried for picking Tom over Drew Bledsoe, especially when Drew Bledsoe came back in in relief of Tom in the AFC Championship game, wins them that game, and then the Super Bowl two weeks later,

Tom, is he healthy? His ankle, is he healthy? It wasn't until Tuesday night of Super Bowl week that they found out who was the starting fucking quarterback for a Super Bowl team. It was insane. Now, I thought the way they covered it Vinatieri obviously hit wow two of the best balls in the history of football in that particular

season I mean the snow game and then obviously the Super Bowl winner but taking a dive back into that whole story I didn't remember it like that at all. I did not know how that was. That's insane to think about. And I assume that's why Bill Belichick forever thought, hey, Tommy, remember what I did for you 25 years ago? You remember. You shut the fuck up, all right? I make the right decisions around here. You just play. You could see how that maybe became the way that relationship was built

because the amount of faith that Bill had in Tom in that year, I guess it was his second year in the league or third year in the league out of Michigan insane what were your thoughts as a Patriots fan I mean as a Patriots fan it was unbelievable obviously I mean that's just Pat's porn and it's going to be for the first probably eight episodes until Tampa watching the game and how it was played then like that hit on blood so it was so much better and granted probably safety wise it wasn't yeah not as healthy future but the hits that they were showing were unbelievable slow yeah very slow and also i thought it was i don't remember this either but his first game being against the colts and peyton manning brady's first starting start yeah which was insane and

parcells goes to the Super Bowl and then leaves. Could you imagine that today, too? Yeah, and they were talking about this is probably his last game. He's going to go coach somewhere else. A completely different time. And also even the little things. Patriots are playing the Falcons, and they were showing the ball. The entire top of the stadium was empty.

Oh, yeah. Gillette? The entire top of the stadium. No, it was in Atlanta. In Atlanta, but the stadium was empty. Oh, yeah. Gillette? The entire top of the stadium. No, it was in Atlanta. In Atlanta, but the Gillette Stadium. But then also, there was empty seats everywhere. And I'm like, the NFL has to watch this and think, we have come so far business-wise.

We have captivated the world. 22.5 million people allegedly watched the Seattle Seahawks-Packers game on Sunday. I wonder what those numbers were back in the day the game the nfl has just evolved so much and there's been one person that has been through it all oh yeah and i'm still fucking doing it it's literally how episode one ended last night was tom brady saying yeah it's been crazy and i'm still fucking doing it and then going in the next one it's i think it's going to be amazing tone yesterday you said you don't want to watch it because you don't want to like tom yeah did you watch it and do you like tom i'm a big uh let

other people watch first and then tell me if i should watch it so i'll watch it now because you guys said it was good hey it's gonna be hard not to love him he does seem to come from like the classic rich white family but the hard work that the backup in the dream and the team, the team, the team mantra that he has. We've seen these interviews in the past, but there's a lot from him as a younger person, like high score. Him saying, I think I have a pretty good work ethic, so that'll be good or whatever. You need to get faster. Hey, you need to get faster. That needs to happen.

But I think you will like him a lot more, and that seems to happen any time you learn something about somebody. My question is, because I don't remember exactly at the time, was it Bill who paid Drew, or was Drew paid by somebody else, and then this was an opportunity for Bill to be like? So Bill was a part of the team. Bill Belichick was a part of the team. He was the defense coordinator, secondaries coach, or something like that. And Parcells was the head coach.

And I think Parcells era paid Drew. Then Pete Carroll was in between. And he was terrible, I guess, for two years. And then Belichick comes in and now he's the guy. So I think he was still a part of the Drew. This now is a man who Zito has told me one thing and one thing alone about his appearance today. He is yoked. Okay.

That is what Zito said. Zito said, wait until this dude shows up on the screen. He is absolutely yoked. He's a stud safety for the Buffalo Bills out of Oregon State. Leads the Bills with four interceptions and second on the team in tackles. This dude flies around. This weekend he's going to see Jonathan fucking Taylor, though. Ladies and gentlemen, Jordan Porter. What's up, dude?

What's up, guys? How you doing, man? It's good to be back on here. It's good to see you guys. Hey, it's a fascinating week for you to come back on the show. You know, Colts are traveling up there. You know, there's a little bit of that going on. How's preparation going for the week you guys struggling it's great

come on now come on now it's great we just had practice man it was a good practice uh understand man it's a john the tears of a damn good back you're coming in here we know what type of game it's gonna be man it's gonna be physicalized game so gotta be ready to play I feel like you guys enjoy that though that's why I think a lot of people have rallied around the Buffalo Bills and this team that has been put together by being whenever we watch you guys enjoy that, though. That's why I think a lot of people have rallied around the Buffalo Bills and this team that has been put together by Bean. Whenever we watch you guys play, it seems like you guys are doing it in a fashion that you would want your team to be doing it.

You guys seem to have fun. You seem to be very physical. You seem to be a tight group. And it seems like no matter what, the Buffalo Bills will always be an underdog story. This year you guys had a couple setbacks, right? You lose to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Nobody expects that. Pittsburgh Steelers early.

How has the ride of the season been, and where are you guys at now going forward? Yeah, that's exactly what it is, man. Every NFL season is a ride, really. You think about it, I think all the teams. I mean, you saw Baltimore the other night losing that game. Really, the season is all about Sean. I remember Sean in 2017, he said, it's not the most talented team. It's the team that can stick together the longest through the ups and downs of the season,

through the ups and downs of the game. You think about every season has ups and downs, and obviously you know we want to go to Jacksonville and lose out in that fashion. But there's always ways to find ways to bounce back and get better. And, you know, it's not, you know, about last week. It's how you respond in the next week because, you know, you win, lose, or draw the week before. You got to get your ass ready to play next Sunday, next Thursday, next whatever day it is that you got to play. Nobody's going to feel sorry for you.

So it's a good group of guys to be around, man. And guys really understand, you know, how to win, how to lose, because there's a way to lose, too. It sucks, but it's a way to lose, having to learn from the tape and really move on. It's a good group of guys to be around. It's a fun team to be on. Jordan, do you and fellow safety

Micah Hyde ever sit there in the film room and watch some old clips of what safeties used to be able to do in the NFL and just decapitating people and think like, man, what could have been? Right. And the game's changed a lot, too, obviously, since then. You know, obviously, the style of play offensively and defensively and obviously the rules now with all the, you know,

we could probably hit a guy, you know, this. Hey, how do you do that? How do you judge that at that max speed? Because it is your position that is, and now linebackers obviously have to hit on any crossing routes, but the safety position through the history of time was normally the highlights that are completely banned from the game now. How do you do that?

How do you adjust that? Is it just being an athlete? Yeah, a little bit of that. You know, I think just, you know, understanding your target line when you're coming in to make a play. And sometimes it's unavoidable. You know, the game happens so fast. You know, I've gotten, you know, I had against Travis Kelsey.

He ran a seven route and I hit him pretty good. But it was just kind of a bang, bang play. I got fined for it. You know, it wasn't intentional or anything like that. But it's just the game of football is a violent game. And, you know, there's times where, you know, I feel I've got to make a play either on the man or the ball, and I've got to hit him in order for him to not catch the football, obviously. Bang, bang, plays happen. The refs see it certain ways, and that's just the game of football that we live in right now.

Do you appeal those fines, and do you get to explain yourself, and what do they say? Do you represent yourself in court? What do they say back? Yeah, it's a little bit of a process. Obviously, explaining what happened in the play, a little bit of a process. And then you get it back about a month later, and they tell you whether or not what you said was right or was wrong. So you kind of put it in their hands, and then they decide what to do with it after that. So have you had success in the courtroom or not?

I have and haven't. About 50-50 right now. I've got some good people representing me, but it just hasn't came my way a lot. The safety tandem you and Hyde talked about is like the best safety tandem in the league. And you two obviously know each other well, and there's been a lot of success there. How does that help you? Does that change anything? Do you guys recognize that?

Is it something you take a lot of pride in, or is it just a natural thing that has happened immediately? Yeah, you know, it's crazy how it's all, full circle since we came in here in 2017. Because when we came in here in 2017, I remember we were picking out our jerseys and we were like, dude, like, you know, like, let's be the best. Like we could really be the best, you know, doing this. And let's, you know, obviously our goal we got here is to win a championship and we're still on

that ride. But, you know, we're still, you know, we've known each other for so long and it's crazy. Like our families are close off the field and we've been playing with each other for so long, and it's crazy. Like, our families are close off the field, and we've been playing with each other for so long. You know, it's crazy to see things come full circle, and we just want to continue to get better, man. We still feel like the sky's the limit for us.

We still feel like we're not talked about enough. We still feel like, you know, we're the underdogs. We still feel like everybody else wants to talk about the Jamal Adams, the Tyrant Matthews, the, you know, this, that, and the other. That's cool. That's awesome. Hey, they ain't saying shit about us. That's awesome.

But look, you know, you look at what we've been doing the last five years here in Buffalo, you know, you compare that to a lot of other guys around the league, you tell me, you know what I'm saying? But at the same time, we're not loud guys like that. We understand we got to come in here to work every single day, and our game is going to speak for itself. That awesome hey what's it like practicing against josh allen like does that dude when you guys are going ones on ones in camp i would imagine he likes to get

creative and try to look you on like and obviously his arm strength is unbelievable like how difficult is that it's crazy to see how much he's grown up since he first got here in 2018 and like seeing mike and i eyes looks you know in our disguises like during OTAs and then training camp and then now he will get back there we'll get it we'll get back there say we're doing like a two-minute drill so he's got to read the defense and he'll he'll be back there like all right I see my kid here he's gonna do this and Jordan's over here he's gonna do like I'm gonna say's like, dude, like, all right, we got to understand. You get it. All right, cool. No, he's grown up so much in the last three years he's been here.

It's amazing to see his growth. And, you know, I'm excited to see, you know, how far he continues to grow. You guys paid him. That's huge in the locker room, right? Like, knowing that's a big deal, right? Huge, man. He's a huge leader on our team. Fun guy to be around.

And just, it's just huge to know that you know he's our guy do you ask him about like deforest buckner or darius leonard or anything coming on sunday you know what i mean your dogs are barking you know what i mean i'm sure they got i'm sure they got a good game plan i'm sure they got a good time jordan obviously you guys have kind of taken one more step each year and last year you know you were right in the thick of things like could you feel like that the expectations were different going into this season obviously you expect to compete for a Super Bowl but like you know then everyone in the media is picking you guys to go to the Super Bowl like is that something you guys could feel in the building yeah I mean it's just we understand that we're a good football team you know we understand obviously the talent is one

thing but um the camaraderie of the guys offensively and defensively you know guys are really we grinding for each other man and you know win lose or draw like i said earlier we found ways to bounce back off of off of bad losses and come and show you know the nfl what we really are about and so uh you know you definitely felt the energy in the beginning of the season and you know obviously you still got to put the work in and that's the difference that I've seen between this team and other teams that I've been on. It's just, you know, yeah, we have the talent, but also guys come in here. I mean, guys are in here an hour and a half before our first meeting and doing their

lifts. I mean, just doing the little things, you know, to, to be the best version of ourselves, be the best version team that we could be, you know? So like I said earlier, it's a just fun team to be around. And we definitely felt that energy early on. I asked this question earlier. Why do you think some teams are like that and some aren't? You know, because it seems like it's a very easy recipe. Hey, if you guys like each other off the field,

you're probably going to play better. If you put in extra work, you're probably going to play better. Like, how come that doesn't happen everywhere, you think? Yeah, I think there's, you know, I've been on teams where we've had plenty of talent. I've been on a couple teams in Cleveland. We had plenty of talent. Team in Philly, we had plenty of talent.

I think the work ethic and then obviously the camaraderie of the guys. Obviously, we've been in this system, our defense, for four or five – three, four, five years now. And no slander on Buffalo, but there's not a whole lot to do out here when we you know when it's when it's when it's time after a game everybody's kicking it with each other you know during the holidays families are all kicking it with each other so it's a really really close group uh of guys out here on the team and when you put that together you know when it's when it's crunch time in a in the fourth quarter and you're not looking

at your teammate man you're looking at your brother you know this when it's crunch time in the fourth quarter, and you're not looking at your teammate, man. You're looking at your brother. You know, this is really my brother that I've been grinding for. So, like I said, it's a fun team to be on, and we're not perfect, and we just want to continue to get better. Sounds like a great group. Sorry about Sunday, dude. It's coming up.

Go ahead, Tom. Jordan, I'm not saying this week is one of those examples, but, like, do you get excited going a week when you know that a quarterback potentially, you know, may give you a couple chances to take one the other way? Wow, wow, wow. I feel like that's a trick question. I'm going to stay away from that. I got in a little trouble with Mike White last week saying some stuff,

so I'm going to stay away. What did you say? I didn't hear it. No, you don't have to say it again. We don't need to get you in more shit. But isn't it fascinating if you were, as an established vet now at this point who knows the game, if you were to say anything that would potentially be a little bit out of a standard box answer, everybody would think,

oh, Jordan Porter's cancer team. He's motivating the other squad. It's unbelievable. Right, right. I mean, it's tough, you know, but at the same time, you understand that. You don't want to give them no fire. You don't want to give anybody any fire. I know if I heard

something about somebody saying something about me, that would just piss me off. I'd be like, alright. Let's go then. I guess we're going to have to do this, I guess. Carson, by the way, much bigger than he looks on film. Oh, he is yeah he's big boy he likes to run too sprained hey show him how he runs pat oh he lumbers out there i mean he's like

he is a lumbering guy yeah watch those knees though they come flying they come flying up there uh we can't we cannot thank you enough for joining us in the middle of a work week uh i appreciate you so much and i literally when i found out you were coming on uh they told me about your store i checked it out this morning and we pulled it up i want to make sure we pub this how much time how much time are you putting into this because there's some very good shit in here i see you modeling too oh hey model oh jp21 this is awesome you got a great line in here i appreciate it yeah we did a lot of content in the off season uh and you know i'm not having my group avalon sports and shout out daver they've been busting their ass just putting it all together and i'm able to just kind

of you know just say yes or no drop it don't drop it and you know it's been it's been it's been going well so if you guys you know check it out, jpoir.com. I got a big Dove sweater. I got a JP hoodie. I got some hats. Hey, holiday season. Yes, sir. Yeah, let's go.

Holiday season is coming out. Hey, have you thought about the future after football? Is this something you would want to get into, or are you so focused on being the best football player you can be? I'm definitely focused on being the best football player I can be. I'm 30 now, so obviously it does click in my head a lot of what if that ends tomorrow. I got a lot of stuff in my head, but really

I'm focused on trying to be the best football player I can be, best father I can be, and best husband I can be. Yeah, maybe be an incredible husband and father on Sunday. Take the day off. It's a good idea. I can't do that. Oh, okay.

All right. Because that would be a bad example, obviously, as a father. Yeah, okay. That makes sense. Have a great one. We appreciate you so much. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it.

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Yeah! What the fuck, dude? Hey, from the little bit that I know of the situation, I hate to admit it, but Conor's right. He really is. Uh-huh. What? This would never happen in Boston.

It would never happen. Never. Well, he didn't even say that. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. Older brother would never let go of the reins. We assist others, and little brother Pittsburgh has our help now. This is un-fucking-believable.

This is a tough day. I mean, Nick is happy about it, right? Nick knows that there's going to be a lot of money poured into the Penguins, which is good for everybody, which I concur completely. Mario's still there. He's going to sell a lot of money poured into the Penguins, which is good for everybody, which I concur completely. Mario's still there. He's going to sell a majority of his shares. He bought in for $100 million, which wasn't even actually $100 million because of deferred payments from the team and the bankruptcy issues.

He's getting a big payday. He deserved it. Oh, who cares? Way to go, Mario. Who's that? This is like a Dana White situation where a new team, hey, we need you to keep around or stick around because we don't know anything about this city or team or fan base or anything like that.

But let's talk. Congrats to Mario Lemieux, though. That is real. That's good business. Does that mean Sid's going to be gone, too? Don't they live together? Mario's not going anywhere, buffoon. He's got to work for the next few years.

That is literally what we just said. They're shipping Crosby to Boston. No, no, no. See, that is – We're going to get pasta. We're getting pasta. The Fenway Sports Group is actually saying, Hey, we got good friends up there in Boston.

They won't let us buy the team, but we can make some moves. We're taking pasta. They are not friends with the scumbag Bruins ownership, the worst owners in hockey. Terrible people. Go look at what some of the things they've done. So we're going to be ruined. Is Billy Bean going to be the GM? It seems like it feels like it is.

It's just a dollar-cutting situation. Congrats to Mario Lemieux, though. I love when ex-professional athletes make great business decisions and cash out. I'm very proud of Mario. Second greatest hockey player of all time. I am very, very proud. Right behind Sidney Crosby, by the way, for those that are wondering, he was Thank you. Second greatest hockey player of all time. I am very, very proud.

Right behind Sidney Crosby, by the way, for those that are wondering. He was number one. It was not Wayne Gretzky. Thanks for the team. How would you know? Did you watch Wayne play? I've seen enough highlights to think, oh, okay, yeah, Sidney could do all of this if he had six feet of room around him at all times

because there was a goon on every one of his teams threatening to actually try to cte people if you were to touch them and the pads that they were wearing they look the goalies looked like hey rest in peace dude they had no pads on the goal was about three times as big as it was back sid would have now i'm not saying wayne would have been able to adjust in this era as well, okay? And if Sid focused just on goal scoring like Ovechkin has, I assume he would be the all-time leading scorer in whatever.

Sid's just the ultimate player. Defense, playmaking, sniping, just a humble superstar. Grace of all time, living in Mario's house. Mario cashes out, probably hand The house over for free Because he's

Probably make a few Hundred million off of this John Henry Will probably take the house And then he'll take Crossbow No no no John Henry ain't Fucking buying

Mario Lemieux's house Alright I don't know I think it was part of The whole agreement So Oh no Take it all in

Anyways Russell Wilson Just talked about A similar situation As what Mario Lemieux Has been able to accomplish Russell Wilson said He wants to play for 20 years

and then own an NFL team or an NFL franchise. I think a lot of people have that in mind once they get into the NFL, whenever you see how it's being run, some of the people that are making some of the decisions, and also the massive amounts of cash that are just flowing in to the entire game. I don't know if 20 years will put you in a position enough to become a majority owner, but I like the fact that he's putting out in the universe, hey, if you guys are going to buy a team,

I wouldn't mind joining your little group, you know? Like LeBron joined the Fenway Sports Group. Like A-Rod, Alex Rodriguez joined that group that bought the Minnesota Wild. And then, you know, a lot of people have done this in the past. It feels like that's potentially what Russell wants. I enjoy the business move. It's going to be a tall task, but I think it's all just who you know, right? I mean, yeah, it's a very tall task. Also to play 20-plus years from what that headline says,

that is another thing that's very difficult, especially someone like Russell that runs around and gets blasted so often. But he recovers quicker than anybody else, guess the 19 hour a day thing he's a wolverine did you watch the man in the arena episode one yesterday presented by under honor huh i haven't seen it yet was it good yes i enjoyed it i did enjoy it willie mcginnis was in there talking a little bit drew bledsoe did some acting in it and some talking in it i mean that was that was some interesting moments but going back into the story of how it all began for tom i didn't remember that i didn't know that and it's like i what year was what year did this happen 2001 or 96 i don't remember which one 96 is when bledsoe was drafted one overall uh brady's draft

in 2000 and the year that he came in was 2001 okay yeah because they do a couple different years and i think bledsoe and i don't know when he signed the biggest contract in the history of the NFL for a $103 million deal over 10 years. I think it might have been 2000, I guess, maybe a year before, when Pete Carroll was, I don't know. Bill Belichick making the decision for Tom Brady whenever Drew Bledsoe was willing and able to play, and it just won them the AFC Championship and was the highest paid guy and had won in the past

and was supposed to be the future. Bill Belichick saying, I'm going with Brady, and you just need to shut the fuck up, basically, to Drew Bledsoe. And to Drew Bledsoe's credit, it did not seem like he was that much of a cancer to the situation, which would be very understandable, by the way. Although, if his interviews were done nowadays that they showed last night, oh my God. Social media would have called drew blood.

So a distraction, they would have said that, uh, Bill Belichick has, uh, a split locker room and they're not going to be able to do it. There've been so many distractions with the way everything is covered now, as if it's a fishbowl,

you know, you zoomed in on everything that story though. I didn't recall it going the way it did. A lot of people are going to love Tom Brady after watching this. I think I think and feel bad for drew bloodedsoe yeah i think that is just episode one in my eyes yeah would they show when when bledsoe got blasted and then he's hurt and but then bledsoe had to step in what game and actually win a game for him in the playoffs afc championship that's right what happened to tom there tom sprained his ankle yeah it's a pretty bad tackle

actually he goes down like this he uh drew blsoe comes in, throws two touchdowns. I mean, it would have been so loud. And they weren't supposed to win. It was against the Steelers, right? Yeah, it was against the Steelers. Weren't supposed to win. Not supposed to do this whole thing. Bledsoe comes in, dominates, and then everybody just assumes,

okay, now it's Bledsoe's time. And Belichick was like, no, no, let's see how this ankle gets on this guy. This seems like this is going to be my guy or whatever and I honestly believe that is how the Tom Bill relationship became the way it became 20 years later because I think Bill Belichick always viewed Tom as hey I was your guy like I picked you over a hundred million dollar dude and I'd assume that is why Tom you'll never hear him publicly saying anything about bill even though there's always going to be the chance for those

stories you know yeah it is weird to see like there's not really a comparable situation is there where a guy was a legit vet like you said highest paid guy and a six round pick gets put in for him seventh round whatever time yeah 199 He was late in there. Joining us now? No, not joining us now. I was going to ask Chuck about that. That's a massive decision that Bill Belichick made. Is Chuck coming on now, soon? Yeah, he's coming on in a couple minutes here.

Is there a Cordell highlights in there? I didn't see any Cordell. Not many, no. By the way, a lot of the highlights they were showing, he was. Slash was unbelievable. He was good on the show, too. He gave us a great interview. A lot of the highlights they were showing, he was. Slash was unbelievable. And he was good on the show, too. He gave us a great interview. A lot of the highlights were the Patriots beating the Colts, though. Yeah.

I mean, a lot of the highlights were, it was like Colts, Dolphins, some other team, Colts, some other team, Dolphins, Colts. It was like the Colts were just in there every single time because the Peyton Tom thing was so massive. Speaking of the Colts real quick before we get to Chuck Pagano, we have been given approval. Here we go. Okay, so they had to whitelist our YouTube page,

which means they're giving our page an okay to run clips. And if it's NFL Films giving us the whitelist of our – we could abuse this right now. We could run a top five highlights right now uh from the 2021 nfl season because they had to take put us on a list that they won't give us a strike and try to take down our video and our business if we run this clip from hard knocks that they just sent to us does that make sense aj yeah the colts gave you permission no no nfl films oh okay why don't i continue very nice of them by the way to do that now my immediate thought was okay run the clip and then my top five highlights real quick and then we just kind of get into that

thing could you imagine if we had nfl rights by the way i have numerous times takes this show to a hilarious level if we weren't able to have our own top five top ten and everything like that but ladies and gentlemen that'll be one day down There's a lot of money for those things. Hard Knocks with the Colts is tonight. Here is a glimpse into the action that you'll be able to watch on HBO. A PMS

exclusive. You had a random drug test today? Yeah. I was trying to get Gary right. You saw your cartoon character on TV. Y'all saw his cartoon character. How big is all of his clothes? Naheem's cartoon was going crazy too. No, no, no, not like yours. Yours looked like you.

Naheem looked like you was like 6'2", 215. In my head, that's what I am, though. In my head. It's okay. You're standing on your wallet. Hey, when you're standing on your wallet, you're 6'6". Can't hide it. Hey, how about it?

I didn't even know this was happening. Well, I think maybe you were in a majority. That's why they said, hey, is there any way you could potentially talk about this a little bit? And that is, I like the thing about hard knocks is you get a chance to actually experience what a conversation is like. The trust that has to be built up, though, between the crew and the staff to have those natural environments and that you forget that that pan, tilt, zoom cameras even there is paramount. Joining us now, former head coach of the team that is being spotlighted in hard knocks tonight

has probably been in that exact room talking shit to who knows who. Ladies and gentlemen, Chuck Pagano. Hey, Chuck! Wow! Beautiful. We got a lot of gobble ghoul. Beautiful.

We got a lot of gobble ghoul. I got the black on the sweatsuit. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'll send you a chain or two, too. You know, I got a meeting Galante family this Friday. I'm going to wear two pinky rings. I'm going to have four of them on.

I got two watches. I can't wait for the gobble ghoul coming out of Hartford, Connecticut. It's beautiful where you are. Is this the first real snowfall of the year for you out there in Idaho? Yeah, we're up at the lake up in McCall. So they get a little bit, this is a little bit over 5,000 elevation. So this is a, yeah, first one. Will you ski or anything like that? Do you ski or snowboard or do anything? I grew up on skis. Growing up in Colorado, I grew up on them. With sports and everything, you get away from it. I think I'm healthy enough, strong enough right now to go give it a shot and hopefully

not tear myself up. Take Tina up. There's a little mountain up here called Brundage. There's one in Boise as well. I might give it a shot. Stay on the bunny slope. No, no, ski. Stay on the bunny slopes. No, no, no, no, no. Go to the Black Diamond, right? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, just see if you got it still. You know what I mean? Let's find out right now how the gobble ghoul is. You've been training on that Peloton. Those legs might be stronger than ever right now. Chuck, go right to the top of the thing. Yeah, Peloton, you know, sitting in your living room, a little bit different than, you know,

jumping off a chair and getting on a black diamond and heading downhill. Well, I'm not a skier, so I think you probably know more than I would. Thank you for joining us. Let's dive into the week's conversation. Hard knocks tonight in season. That has to be a tough sell to the coaches, and it feels like at some point in every hard knocks, all the coaches, all the players just are point in every hard knocks all the coaches all

the players just are comfortable with it and they forget the cameras are even there what do you think we should look forward to and if you were a coach how do you think that entire process would go yeah i think it's a lot better maybe now than it used to be i think they've earned you know people's trust uh over the years because like you were talking about before, you don't want anything out. And so you're basically letting these people have a front row seat to everything you're doing, all your conversations, all your meetings, all your preparation to practice. And so you get really nervous about that. And it was like, hey, you know, they're talking to us about hard knocks. Hell no, we ain't doing no hard knocks, you know, just because of that.

And you're so worried and guarded about what you want to say when the cameras are on, you know, and all those kind of things. So, yeah, I think it's going to be cool. You know, they'll do a great job. Again, they've, you know, come a long way with that stuff. And I think, you know, the great thing it gives, you know, the fans, especially the Indianapolis fans, but everybody, the fans of the National Football League, just like I said, a front door seat.

You know, you're behind closed doors and you get to see, you know, especially in season, you know, a team preparing, you know, for a game and get to see the ins and outs of what's going on and team meetings and practice and individual meetings and all the things that the head coach is talking to the assistants about. So there's some really good stuff. And, again, they'll do a great job of filtering out what they need to filter out. Chuck, why do you think, especially NFL coaches, college coaches too, college football, are some of the most paranoid people on the planet ever?

Yeah, you know, it's so hard to win, you know, at this level. I remember being I was in college for 17 years before I broke into the National Football League. And we had the convention, National Coaches Convention. As staffs, we used to go visit other staffs that, you know, were either running the same, you know, scheme schematically. We were running offense, defense, special teams, maybe some, you know, a scheme that we wanted to go. But the doors were always open in college. People weren't nervous about it because, you know, there's so many teams and you probably visited teams that you weren't going to play, you know, every year, you know,

in your conference, things like that. But the National Football League, I mean, paranoia, yeah, runs rampant. You know, nobody talks. You know, you try to get on the phone. You've got friends and things, but you're not talking about football. You're not talking about X's and O's. I think everybody has, you know, one, maybe two guys that they can, you know, sit down and have a football conversation with,

and it doesn't go any further than that. But just, you know, it's so damn difficult to win in the league. And you're trying to, you know, keep it a secret, you know, what you're doing in all three phases and how you're going to approach a game and what you're doing schematically. It's bad because it's hard to, you know, keep developing and keep learning, you know, in that respect. But they count on you just to be able to look at the tape and figure it out on your own. Hey, Chuck, we've heard some hilarious stories about people trying to gain an edge.

And obviously the Patriots are at the spotlight of, you know, all those investigations. But I remember some hilarious tales, not of anybody on our coaching staff, obviously. It always seemed to be all a friend of mine who coaches or a friend of mine of coaches, whether it is at hotels and trash cans where other teams are staying,

trying to find anything that was potentially thrown away or left behind. How about in windy days where a call sheet is potentially blowing and somebody's sending in a, hey, go get that fucking call sheet. Like that is something that's always being thought about, though, isn't it? Like paranoia running rampant,

but also on the other side, how can we gain an advantage out of it there's gonna be people watching this hard knocks from all the nfl teams that are just trying to pick up some sort of advantage to beat the colts if they're playing against the colts yeah if they're inside you know the personnel room um a meeting room a team room a position room and they happen to scan you know a board and it's got you know some plays on it a call sheet this that and the other which i don't think is going to happen you know they're going to go wipe down all that stuff and make sure you know they're not giving them access to anything like that but they'll try and i remember you know pat i was at the university of miami and we were playing your team,

West Virginia Mountaineers. All right, let's go. And we go to stadiums, and you'd be shocked on when we go to the locker room. You know how we'd come and do the walkthrough the day before on Fridays, do the walkthrough? Well, we'd send equipment guys, whoever, hey, go search the place, look through the lockers, look through the trash cans, let's see what we can sniff out. You fucking cheaters.

I mean, let's got my goal here. Of course they use doing that to little old West Virginia. I mean, guys have left, you know, play sheets in press boxes just by accident. You know, all these kind of things. And so, you know, we come across this deal and we come together and say, hey, look, we found, you know, the script. Here here's the plays here's the first 15 here's this here's that we got in a meeting room wiped down the board whole new game plan this that and the other and it helped we had Vinny Testaverde and Jerome Brown and Lonzo High, and Mel Bratton and all, but 48-0.

You know, it's crazy. We probably were going to do it, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, yeah. We just had better players. But you're always conscious of, you know, I know as a head football coach, I was paranoid after every practice. I would make sure, especially when we went to Anderson or we went to, you know, wherever for a preseason game.

Remember how we used to tell you, don't leave your playbooks, you know, in your hotel room. Bring them to the meetings. You know, we're always scared at certain cities. Hey, they've hired, you know, the cleaning ladies. They'll go through your luggage. They'll go through, they'll grab your playbook, all that stuff. We used to spend hours and hours on just making sure, hey, follow us from practice.

Make sure we've got all the practice scripts. Nobody leaves anything laying around. You know, again, it just, you know, chalk it up to the paranoia. Yeah, it's awesome. It was so much fun just to think, like, you're telling me that they they're gonna have a cleaning lady who has a master key go into everybody's room you never know hey you never know i've heard it that is always that you never know they could and then there's always players that are i'm not going out in this city and eating at any restaurant okay there's no way i have no idea what this uh server

waiter waitress host chef whoever i have no idea what their allegiances are. We don't know anything. All you got to do is just put a little something in there and make me shit my pants tomorrow. I'm not eating anywhere. That is just what it's like at the highest level. And let's talk about the highest level a little bit more in depth. OBJ and the Rams.

We just got a chance to chat with Jay Glazer. I think he broke some news without even knowing it. He said even when OBJ got to Cleveland, he wanted to get to L.A. Like he wanted to get to Jay Glazer. I think he broke some news without even knowing it. He said even when OBJ got to Cleveland, he wanted to get to LA. Like he wanted to get to LA. Jay said it's always been that way. Him being in a place that he likes and wants to be at and loves and is fresh and looks like McVay. I mean, first play of the game, Stafford wasn't looking anywhere but OBJ. I think they want to give him in. How do you see working out long-term? And if you're McVay, how do you balance expectations, the locker room, and everything kind of, you know, continuing to go in an upward trend?

Yeah, we would expect just from a talent standpoint, we know how talented this player is, that, you know, he would, you know, as he gets more comfortable with the offense and things like that, you know, LA,, you know, as he gets more comfortable with the offense and things like that, you know, L.A., the shininess of this new toy, all that stuff. Again, at the end of the day, we want to win football games and you've got to catch passes and you've got to score touchdowns. up to Sean, the offensive coaches, and OBJ to figure out that stuff because I don't care, you know, how, you know, all that great stuff about being in, you know, the city that you want to be in and LeBron and all the bright lights. It still comes down to execution, knowing your plays, going out and winning your one-on-ones,

you being on the same page, you know, with Matthew Stafford. I think we all root for him to do well. And we want him to do well and those kinds of things. But it still comes down to your preparation. It comes down to execution. It comes down to making plays. Chuck, how have you been able to kind of transition to real life and seem like you are a healthy, happy dude? We know a lot of coaches kind of get institutionalized and they can't get out in the real world because they've been out of the real world for so long. You seem to be doing great. He literally does this all fucking day. Aren't you just on that Peloton all day?

I get a few miles in. It's like I feel guilty. If I don't get it in, just so I can eat and have my crown you know, my crown and whatever, you know, just to break even and the gobble ghoul. The transition has been great, AJ. You know, getting fired from Indy in 17 and having 18 off kind of gave me a little bit of a precursor, if you will, of what this would look like, you know, because it's, you know, 18, 20 hour days, seven days a week to grind, go, go, go. And then all of a sudden, you know, you retire or you're out of football for a period of time. Those days, I mean, it's like,

you go from 60 miles an hour to zero. It's like, and Tina and I had to figure stuff out. She's like, miles an hour to zero it's like and and tina and i had to figure stuff out she's like hey hold on i need a 20 you gotta figure some stuff stuff out because you're driving me freaking crazy because i'd be like okay what do you want me to do today okay go to the grocery store good go the cleaner's good get the workout in we'll walk we'll do the dog boom boom boom and it's 12 o'clock and it it's like, what the hell are we going to do now? So the transition, you know, this time around has been really good. My whole family's here, as you know, in Idaho. I've got all my daughters, my grandkids, you know, my son-in-laws, my grandson Bear.

So I'm blessed. My Tina's side of her family, the whole family's in Boise. So we're all together. And you guys, you know, throwing me this olive branch, Pat, and letting me do this show, this is my football family now. This gives me my football fix. And it's just enough, you know, to give me that. And so I'm so appreciative of you guys letting me come on and be a part of this show.

It makes this whole thing even better. No, no. We are incredibly lucky that you joined us and thankful that you joined us. But it is cool to hear. Hey, team on three. Hey, team on three. This is the football team. Come on.

Hands in. Please, please, please. Team on three. Team on me. One, two, three. Team. Great to in. Please put them in. Please. Please. Team on three. Team on me. One, two, three. Team. Team. Great to have you part of the team, Coach.

Great to have you there. You had me break down the huddle early in practice, by the way. It was one of your first practices in spring. And I don't think you knew exactly who I was at the time. And I think you learned quickly immediately after that huddle breakdown. And I am very thankful that I got a chance to play on a team that you were a coach because you were incredibly cool and I think that is what we learn every single

Wednesday is the mind of a guy who is literally a football guy. You were in it for so long and AJ's question about you transitioning out of it is a very good one because normally guys like you can't do it. They got to go back. They got to go back

to the institution. They're like red almost. They've got to get back into it because by noon, my life is crazy, let alone the family. Like, for instance, Bruce Arians, and this will lead right into the Bucs, which will be a perfect kind of conversation and segue here. B.A., in his retirement from the Arizona Cardinals, said, my wife told me Jake turned 40, and I said, 40? Like, 40 years is a long fucking time.

That is a long time. And he didn't even realize because he was in the game. Then he got out of the game and he realized, no, I'm supposed to still be in the game. Goes down to Tampa. And they're obviously having this success. They're having it. And Tom Moore, he's never going to stop.

And Bruce, I don't think he's ever going to stop either at this point. What do you think they are currently thinking in that building with what happened against the Washington football team? to stop either at this point what do you think they are currently thinking in that building with what happened against the Washington football team and uh do you ever think to yourself or were you thinking to yourself I'm not going to be like those guys that can't get away at the end of this was this a decision that you had already made up or is it something you're kind of going through now yeah you know they'll get it figured out first of all you know the football part of it they've had a couple tough losses um it's nothing that's new to them.

They went through this, you know, a year ago and got things figured out and obviously got hot, you know, in the playoffs and went on the road and then eventually won the Super Bowl. So they'll get that figured out. As far as, you know, coaching and Tom Moore's 84, 85 years old. Tom Moore is 84, 85 years old. B.A. is coming up on 70, I think. I told myself a long time ago I had a number in mind. And then going through the circumstance that I went through, I was like, you know what? There's more to life than this. The football is great and all that.

And we used to talk all the time. Pat, remember, we're coaching and playing a kid's game. Yeah, for a king's ransom. You know, know absolutely getting paid a king's ransom to do it but you know to me life's too short and i don't want to you know those guys are big bear bryant guys you know through alabama with ba and tom moore and it's that bear bryant mentality he you know, I'll probably be dead six months after I retire. And guess what? That thing manifested and Bear passed away six months after he retired. So I think some guys get in this deal and they hear those stories, whatever, and are like, what am I going to do, number one? What's my next life's work, number two?

my next life's work, number two. And, you know, if I do walk away from this game, which I've done my entire life, my entire being, you know, is my life over? Am I going to pass? You know, so I think some guys get scared, to be honest with you, about shutting that thing down. And where am I going to get my neck, my next fix from that adrenaline we talked about? Service, you know, men and women who serve our country they go through the same thing whether they've been you know however they you know had a bad wound this sat in the other and can't serve anymore we'd go to you know uh hospitals and meet these vets and they felt like they were letting their team down because they couldn't get back to them and these people rehabbing they've uh you know unfortunately lost limbs and things like that um and so it's like where am i going to get this fix from

you know i'm not going to get it running errands for my wife running to the grocery store going to the cleaners you know and i don't have the that locker room the camaraderie the relationships with the coaches game days those five minutes after a huge win in the locker room, Pat, that is so, I get the hair on the back of my neck is standing up right now because people that don't know that feeling, it's amazing. It's exhilarating. You don't ever want to give that thing up. When you commit your entire life to something and then success happens, it is exhilarating. Now now obviously the joys of defeat are also matched by the uh devastated devastation of the losses and you know also like losing your

identity i think is potentially something that a lot of guys battle through so let alone the camaraderie and the game plan strategy something to do and focus and a life's work but also an identity whenever you talk about the military folks that we got a chance to meet and talk to as well, it's a crazy thing this whole life is. And I want to let you know, we're very thankful you've been able to become the coach that you are, the retired ass man that you are now up in the mountains of Idaho at a lake.

Because every week we enjoy the hell out of it. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Chuck, at this point, we're about to go into week 11 and there are a couple of teams, I mean, mostly the Jets and the Texans, that are kind of out of the playoff race now. How can you keep that locker room together and keep them motivated to kind of finish the season strong

because there really is no light at the end of the tunnel until December? Yeah, that's a great question and a huge, huge challenge for both those coaches. They're playing for their career. So let's keep in mind that, you know, all these guys have contracts. They want to be around next year. So, you know, what you put on tape is who you are. So and then you keep, you know, you talk about, you know, your culture. You talk about the foundation that you built when you first went in there. And even though you're struggling and you're going through tough times, you know, your culture, you talk about the foundation that you built when you first went in there. And even though you're struggling and you're going through tough times, you know, all we really have is that name on the back of our jersey and that decal on the side of our helmets.

And we owe it, you know, to ownership. We owe it to the fans. We owe it to the Shield, the National Football League, to go out here, number one, prepare and get ready to play, but then go out on game day you know and play our asses off you know and and give each other and play for for our brothers I mean that brotherhood is a brotherhood excuse me is is huge you know and so you got to look those guys you know in the eye every single day in that locker room and so you're playing for each other you're playing for pride and then you're playing for the future you know you because you can get on a little bit of a roll at the end and win two, three, four games. And then go into the offseason, you know, you know, with some some excitement, go out on a winning winning note.

And then your fan base is like, OK, look, we saw some life in these guys, you know, and they've got some football players. And we're going to be picking high in the draft and we can we can get an old lineman we can get a pass rusher we can get a cover corner we can add some pieces to help us in the future but mostly hey these guys are playing they like their contracts and they like being in the national football league and playing you know they got to go play their ass off all right otherwise it's going to be see you later the job conversation is always funny like you think the guy that is always funny you think the guy that is pouring cement right now can just take it off because it's a bad day

do your job you're getting paid to play in the NFL let's go ahead and do our jobs out there and make the money while you're talking about teams that are out of it and just kind of going for it and getting in there it really does feel like I'm back in a team meeting with you.

It is spectacular. I love whenever you get in. It's almost like you put your – we can go get a cover corner. We can go get a pass. It's almost like you have this ability to just go right back into the place that I got to see you in a lot, which is the head coaching position, which is why I think this is so awesome because I assume there's exact speeches like that happening

all around the NFL go ahead Ty coach if you're a guy like Brandon Staley and going into this season with your first year as uh head coach you know you're getting everyone's he he was a betting favorite to win coach of the year everyone's talking about how good he is and now they've hit a little bit of a slump like in your first year how difficult is that uh I mean obviously you can get humbled any week but like do you think at any point he's thinking like oh maybe I'm not as good as I thought I was all these people are giving me all these flowers and how does he turn that around with the Chargers because they're they're kind of treading water right now yeah Ty that that's real you know because you know a few weeks ago like you said you know we

couldn't talk enough about Brandon Staley and the job that he's done, you know, with that organization and that football team and how the quarterback's playing and how aggressive he is, you know, on fourth down and all those stuff. And then a little bit of adversity strikes. And, you know, there's a lot of, you know, they say it's lonely at the top. So you've got a lot of time to sit and reflect, you know, not only, you know, when the season's over, but during that season. So you do question yourself. Players question themselves. You have a tough day. You throw a bunch of interceptions.

You know, you have a couple of bad days back to back. But as a coach, you do the same thing. And you're thinking, you know, what do I got to do to get this thing back? You know, get the train back on the on the tracks and going in the right direction? You know, so you'll sit there and you'll question yourself and you'll ask some, you know, your assistant coaches. You'll bring in some of your leaders on the team and you start, you know, doing a little bit of soul searching and trying to figure out, OK, what is it? Because you can just look to the X's and O's and you can look to the tape and you can look to the stats and say, hey, look, you know, we're turning the ball over too much. We're not taking the thing away.

We can run the ball, all right, or we can't run the ball. We can't stop the run right now. I mean, you look at the Rams last two weeks right now, right? Somebody has found a recipe, you know, for stopping, you know, the Rams. And so Brandon, you know, in the same city, he's sitting there. He's going through the same thing, you know, and asking himself all those tough questions. You know, so that's real, you know, and I think anything we do in any life when you have success, man, there's nothing like a front runner, you know, and being on top and winning and all that shit because even though when you're winning, there's a lot of bad stuff going on, but you just don't address it

because you don't want to mess with that football karma. You just kind of brush it under the rug and you hope, man, I hope this don't catch up with us. But usually what happens, it catches up with you. It does, yeah. It's like winning is the nice Band-Aid over whatever sore it is, and then as soon as you lose all those band-aids at one exact time we haven't been able to run for eight fucking weeks we knew

this was going to come the quarterback is this this decision's this it's it all comes that's why it is such a week-to-week league you have the highs are so high that you can't have the lows are so low but you can't ride the ebbs and flows you got to stay right here can't ride the ebbs and flows ain't that right coach go ahead aj so what's it like if to have what you you hear people talk about oh they if you get this lockdown corner you can line him up on their best receiver and then you can have so much freedom with the other 10 what's it like as a d coordinator the guy calling the defense like what can a shutdown corner do for you? It's a lot better than not having that, dude. I can tell you that because, you know, if you have that guy, you know, Jalen Ramsey, so to speak, and you can go put – that guy's out of the game

because they may never even try him. You know, like that last game, I don't know if the 49ers ever threw the ball over that way, you know, and he's playing in the slot and things like that, but you can take one half of the field away. Go back to Deion Sanders, the original. When he went into Dallas, he told those guys, I play one coverage and one coverage only, and that's cat coverage. They're like, what's cat coverage? I got that cat, so don't be talking to me about cover two and about quarters and,

you know, playing shell and single high and this bunch. This is how we're going to play this bunch. Just give me that dude. Give me Jerry Wright. Give me whoever, and I'm going to take him out of the game. And then it allows you, you know, play 10 on 10, however you want to play it, you know, and lean your post safety, so to speak. If you have a number two corner that's struggling, they're picking on him and they're going after him, now you can lean that post safety over the top of him and take him away, and then you force the opponent to try to find a weakness or hole somewhere else. So it gives you great latitude if you like to pressure and you like to blitz, you got guys that can cover, you can put those guys on islands and get after a quarterback. Because if you don't have that,

you know, then you don't really dictate the tempo of the game. You know, you don't have that you know then you know you don't really dictate the tempo uh of the game you know you can't dictate you know the tempo and get after quarterbacks and get after offenses like you wanted cat coverage wouldn't be cool to be that athletic by the way like dion what is it the mlb in the fucking world series hitting homers and then he's in hey who's their most athletic guy yeah i got him listen this dude ain't gonna do a fucking thing today what a that is why dion by the way forever in my eyes and a lot of people's eyes can say and do whatever the hell he wants because he was that dude there has been revis obviously revis island was something that was very very real i feel like vante had a

lot of pressure right vante whenever he was brought in to our coach team, he was, that was kind of his thing too, right? Wasn't it? Or am I misreading that? No, he did a, he did a great job and we asked a ton from Vontae, you know, and he loved, you know, but no, but anyway, there's a lot of guys that don't like that, you know, but there's guys like Vontae who come in and say, hey, I got him, right? You know, give me that dude, and then whatever we got to do, you know, we're going to do, but they relish that, and they love to be in the spotlight, and he had some great, you know, with D-Hop, you know, back in the day, and guys like that. I mean, there were some great battles going on.

He was an athletic dude, and what a good player and a good dude. I agree. Love that guy. I love Vontae. And whenever he retired at halftime, he'd say, Hey, I don't got it like I once did, man. It's a young man game. It's a young man game.

I'm hurting the team out here. You know, like that is, I fucking love him. He's living his best life right now, too. I don't know if you follow him on Instagram. He is living his best life. I'm so happy for him. I love that, dude. Go ahead, Tony.

Coach, in the recent weeks, a couple quarterbacks, game-changing players have ended up on the COVID reserve list the week of the game. Do you think coaches now are getting backups, more reps during the week because of the possibility of this happening, especially in the quarterback position? Yeah, no question. You know, you have to. You'd be totally ignorant not to prepare a guy in some way, shape, or form. Hopefully, you got a lot of teams, you know, have a veteran in there that's played a substantial

amount of snaps over the course of his career and doesn't need a lot of snaps to go in and play a few innings, you know, if you will. But, you know, if you're not, you know, having that guy, you know, do some extra stuff, you know, from a film standpoint, you know, practice is practice. You only get so many reps and you're going to give your starter the lion's share of those reps. But you have to prepare, you know, just like all positions.

You better have a plan. You know, we ran into, you know, things in Indy as we talked about, you know, in the past of losing not one, not two, but three guys and having to, you know, have a guy like Pat, you know, whoever. You know, think about your punter goes down during the game or your long snapper, you know, goes down. You know, we never talk about you know specialists enough and and how important they are to winning and to a football team you know but you talk about you lose a long snapper because pat will tell you we used

to practice with you know a couple maybe an offensive lineman a defensive lineman it's like all of a sudden you don't you don't have a second team guy to go in and you hate to lose that guy i mean you're going for it on every four you can't even you can't even point you can't have a second team guy to go in and you hate to lose that guy. I mean, you're going for it on every point. You can't even punt. You can't even get the snap back, let alone, you know, a point after try. So that's real. And you better have a legitimate guy. I mean, Pittsburgh, you know, obviously going through it, you know,

with Mason and Ben being out. Yeah, because you see what happens to a football team. You know, it costs you a couple games in the middle of the season, and now all of a sudden, come playoff time, you lose out on a tiebreaker of some sort because you didn't have your guy. Every game matters, especially in the AFC, with how the parody of the wins and losses is. Mason Rudolph, hopefully he'll be able to turn it up.

Chuck, can't wait to hear about the Bunny Hill with you and Tina getting out there on the lake and in the snow. We appreciate you for joining us, boss. Appreciate you guys. What a conversation. Yeah, you too, boss. Ladies and gentlemen, Coach Chuck Pagano. Yeah, Chuck!

What's that? What'd you say, Z? I was going to say break it out. Break it. Oh, we should have. Is he still there? He's still here. Coach!

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alright get the hell out of here go to your family joining us now is a man who's a former rushing leader

of the NFL a former touchdown leader yearly touchdown leader of the NFL six A former touchdown leader, yearly touchdown leader of the NFL. Six-time pro bowler, two-time Super Bowl champ. Absolute stud. There's a stat that we just read that no other person gained more yards from scrimmage in the NFL

than this man from the years 2010 to 2019. That's a Hall of Famer, isn't it? Ladies and gentlemen, LaShawn McCoy. Yeah! Hey, you guys made me sound pretty good. I like this, man. Appreciate that. Hey, it's no bullshit, brother. I mean, you were an absolute stud,

and I don't think, you know, obviously the conversation wasn't this, but coming out of college, I got to see you at Pitt, obviously, in the Big East, and you were... All right, chill, chill. Hey, listen, you need to relax, and they just posted Darrell Rivas' punt return. I mean, that won a fucking ESPY.

It won an ESPY. It was unbelievable, but we saw you at Pitt. Coming into the NFL, I think a lot of people thought you weren't going to be able to transition. You did. You dominated, and you changed the game, man. It's an honor to have you on, sir. I love being on the show, man, and real quick, when we beat West Virginia, right, when they did you dominated and you changed the game man it's uh it's an honor to have you on sir oh i love you on the show man and real quick when we beat a west virginia right when they were going

to the championship yeah i felt bad i felt bad because i'm like damn we just spoiled this whole thing for these guys right yeah i know it was a rivalry i was a freshman so i didn't know how yeah big it was right but i was mad about that like damn yeah now we had to win the game but yeah yeah yeah my life was was ruined there for a few days after that and you know i'm happy you But I was mad about that. Like, damn. Now, we had to win the game, but I didn't. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My life was ruined there for a few days after that. And, you know, I'm happy you guys had a hell of a time. But that's why the rivalry was so damn good, by the way. It's such a close drive.

I hope they bring it back. Right there. Yeah, I hope they bring it back in full fashion. And college football now is insane. Do you follow college ball much anymore? I do. Every once in a while, I play a little bit. Every once in a while. But, no little bit. Every once in a while.

But no, I love college football. I remember our rivalry was so special. I remember going, after we beat you guys, I went to a party in West Virginia, and they wouldn't let me in the club. Look, I had to call Pat White. Pat got us in the club. Oh, no, no.

It was Steve Slayton. Steve. Yeah, Steve. By the way, Morgantown was a good time. I partied a couple times in Oakland there, you know, because I'm from Pittsburgh and I went to West Virginia. So I'd been to Bouquet Gardens and a couple other. Oh, Bouquet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I've been in a couple places. In Morgantown, I hope it treated you well. I do like the fact that our bounds, you can't fucking come in. I do like that that happened. And then a display of chivalry was taking place there. LaShawn, you were with the Bucs. Are they dead?

What happened? How did they come out of the bye week worse? How did the Bucs come out of the bye week worse, you think? And are you worried at all about what they have going on? You were in there. No, not at all. I think they're a great team. They're coached well.

They played bad. Had a bad game. I think they're a great team. They're coached well. They played bad. They had a bad game. I think it was just a freakish game. Once I seen, like, the beginning of, like, little stuff like the fumbles and the turnovers, you know, interceptions, you know, a guy catches the ball, gets hit, pops up. You know, a guy wants to hit the foot, pops. Like, all the little stuff.

That won't happen. I mean, that's the freakish game they lost to the Washington Redskins or Washington football team. I'm sorry. I mean, but. Hey freakiest game they lost to the Washington Redskins or Washington football team. I'm sorry. I mean, but – Hey, hey. No, they get everybody back healthy. They'll be fine.

They'll be fine. A.B. Gronk comes back. The secondary comes back. They'll be fine. Okay. Hey, LaShawn, what's it like playing for Bruce Arians down there? And they have a pretty veteran staff too, it seems like, and obviously Tom Brady at the quarterback position.

Like, what was that like day-to-day? It was special, man. Like, you're having a player that's like a coach, right? He's so dialed in. He's all the small details, so intelligent, so prepared. You have an older veteran coach, right, with B.A. By the way, he's a Pennsylvania guy. And he lets Brady run the show for the most part, but he's strict.

I like he's strict because he's fair. Do these things right, and I'll let you guys have freedom. I love playing for B.A., man. I think a lot of guys, they're bought in. They've been bad for a long time, but they're bought in, and that's why you see the difference within the team. Philadelphia, Buffalo, Kansas City, Tampa. Am I missing any there?

Nope. You got the last two rings. That's all that matters. The last two rings. I got all my? Nope. You got the last two rings. That's all that matters. The last two rings. I got all my stats early. I got my last two rings late. Yeah, you dominated for a long time, though. And I think you were, you know, the football gods were like,

hey, this guy deserves a championship or two here. And you made it happen in the last two years. But when you talk about the Tampa building versus other buildings, what is the difference, you think, in success and maybe not as much success? Because you've gotten a chance to be at a couple of different places. Other than Tom Brady, because also in Kansas City, I guess Patrick Mahomes, is that the answer there? Or is it bigger than that?

I think the number one thing is Tom Brady. The Patriots are having a good thing going on right now. It's not the same without Tom Brady. So you bring him there, right? And then the second thing is that's the first team, right? And I've been around some good teams. Kansas City was a great time, great players. Everybody liked each other, great coaches.

Philadelphia, Andy Reid and that staff, we were really good. It really was cool where we hung out. The Bucs is the only team where everybody get along, like the backup players, the starters, the practice guys, the kickers, especially everybody. We all get along. We love it. Like they enjoy being around each other.

To this day, I still text all my boys, all my guys. That's why they're going to be so successful. They love being a team together. Is that, you think, because a lot of them are at the tail end of their career? Because I think, and I'm not, this is not obviously obviously everybody but I think a lot of people potentially have this career trajectory where you come into the NFL I'm in the NFL okay holy fuck then you get in the NFL long enough that you get jaded because you learn the business side of it you understand that there's stupid situations happening in a lot of places there's decisions being made you go this is the dumbest

thing you kind of get jaded you're just going to work now I think you're just going to work and then at the end of the career you kind of see the light at the end of the tunnel and you know i'm gonna try to enjoy this now i'm gonna try to enjoy like the meetings i don't know how many more i have i'm gonna try to enjoy the practices and the lifts is that what it felt like there and how do you do you think that is a trend for success for other places like miami or la that's potentially trying to do the same? Well, I think to be bought in, right, to a team, you've got to have something to be bought in for, right? And I think that goal they have is reasonable because they won last year, right? But Brady made it such a special moment where, like, yo,

this is what we're going to do, right? You can see it. You can touch it. We're going to win games. We're going to practice together. We're going to do, right? You can see it. You can touch it. We're going to win games. We're going to practice together. We're going to be prepared. He made it fun for everybody to love to be a part of

playing ball. It's bigger than just scoring touchdowns. They really have a real chemistry and a bond. I think how you get that is you have a real goal that you can achieve. I think when players really believe that goal, it means something. You've been on bad teams where we just can't win.

So to be bought in is like, okay, come on. But there, it's reasonable. We can win, and we can have a dynasty team. And you see it. I think that's what makes that team go. That's what makes that team a real team. And that's why you have zero, you know, like, you have the utmost faith that they're going to get it right. Because of that, that is the ultimate X factor, you know?

And that's the difference between good teams and great teams, I think. You can't measure it. How much does everybody get along? How much are they playing for each other as opposed to just next to each other? That is a real thing, I think, whenever you're building any type of team. Let's talk about a team that I think has been tight through a lot of adversity, LaShawn. This past offseason, obviously, thearon and green bay packers situation was loud okay we were right in the middle of it it might have been louder for us than for everybody else but that shit was loud they were talking about that everywhere every pundit had an idea aaron's

not happy he never said anything he comes back and this is after he did an interview where he said i love my teammates i love my coaches and they've almost rallied together in that almost like a bunker mentality what do you think about Aaron Rodgers the Packers the team and what they potentially have going after two NFC championship losses in back-to-back years with a lot of drama that has been outside the building you know I really can't stand how they make this big deal about Aaron Rodgers like my thing is with Aaron Rodgers like he is what he is. He doesn't change from how he was in the league to now. He's the same. His teammates

love him. He's going to win games. I'm sure he might do things a little differently than other people, but he's a leader. You can see every time he has anything going on, whether it's the GM, he had an issue with the GM, or the last dance he talked about. All these things, his team rallies behind

him. They believe in him. Everybody makes this big about like a distraction or an issue he is who he is bro and and they follow him he's a leader and he's a great player he's a great player like most great players that i know right they have their own thing about them and that's okay like because because if they didn't have him right they had jordan love and we've seen how that oh Like, because if they didn't have him, right, they had Jordan Love, and we've seen how that. Oh, Jordan Love just taking ricochet shots. I'm going to say, so.

No, Sean, listen. Hey, think about Jordan Love, dude. Draft night, okay, he has that moment with his family, puts the hat on, he's excited. Then he opens his phone, and he's immediately being compared to Aaron fucking Rogers. Like, that is his entire, what a life that guy. I'm just saying, like, bro, you got to, it's good and bad with everything. Any is his entire life. What a life that guy. I'm just saying, bro, you got some good and bad with everything.

Any relationship, work relationship, relationship to a lady, whatever. Here's what he is. I respect Aaron Rogers because he doesn't play that game. Listen, bro. Even his little apologies, like, hey, I'm sorry if I misled you. You know what I'm saying? I'm not sorry, but I'm sorry if I misled you.

And that's who he is. And that's okay. Because we need him in this league, the league to beat the NFL. And I love watching him every Sunday or Monday or Thursday night. I'm betting on him because I love the way he plays. LaShawn, do you think it's possible to have an elite football team that is contending to win the Super Bowl to where everything doesn't run through the quarterback,

to where that quarterback is far and away the leader of that team and it kind of goes through them? Well, that's how they build it up. I think, like, most teams, the quarterback is the main guy. You know, he's the guy that you follow. That's why he gets paid all the money, right? No matter if the guy can be average, but if he's the leader, they're still going to pay him because we want you to lead this team.

You're the captain. You're the pitcher. You're that type of person. So I love that they have it like that. I think the only time it doesn't work like that, if you have a great defense with great leadership on the other side and you have a solid running game with a manageable quarterback that can manage the game, if you don't have that,

then you need a pretty big leader as a quarterback to lead this team. Isn't it interesting that in the locker room though in the quarter you only go as the quarterback goes we own a they touch it every single play that is that is just how it's going to go even if it's a run team checking which way the ball like there is the quarterback is going to be important but there's some teams where i don't think the quarterback is necessarily, like a lot of situations probably, where the quarterback is not the vocal leader of the locker room and everything like that. But you've got to be able to respect the quarterback.

I think that's a big deal. For instance, LaShawn. LaShawn, in Indy right now, Jonathan Taylor's a fucking guy. Hey, he's a fucking guy. He got introduced last. I was at the game. There was a Thursday night football game against the Jets two weeks ago. you know intros were happening and it was the offense carson wentz got introed and i was just watching i was like oh that must be it and i was oh shit no jonathan taylor got

introduced last right like this guy's coming in and it's his show it's the way it is so when it's his show he's the man could he lead you think that team could go they keep feeding yo listen he's he's the real deal like let's not get it crazy he's he's probably in my opinion if you take away the injuries like he's he's top three yo right now he's young i never do that with the young running backs but he's top three he has talent like he's fast he's strong he's physically he's shifty they can go they can follow behind him i think so but that's how the nfl works like for example if he doesn't play right like it's a big deal but they make a bigger deal if carson winston doesn't play right or if yeah he has two fumbles that doesn't play well 40 yards

on 22 carries a fumble or so that's a big deal but it's not a bigger deal than carson went two interceptions you see what i'm saying like he out a lefty. He's the main guy. So the quarterback is always going to be the main win or lose answer, I think, with the NFL. That's how it works. It's some bull, but it is what it is. And there's half a billion dollars being paid to those guys. So it's almost like, hey, you're going to get all the winning

and all the losing hate, and you just got to deal with that whole thing. Go ahead, Tom. Well, Sean, so in Baltimore, latavius murray devonta freeman levy on bell they're all 30 years old devonta freeman's looking good latavius murray's looking good why do you think and lev arguably had the best career out of all those guys so far why do you think lev was the odd man out and getting cut in baltimore i can't i can't answer that. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't know.

I was looking at that the other day, like, why didn't Le'Veon go? And I was just looking at all the numbers, maybe because the yards per carry. But they all got low per carry, yards per carry. They all have their low averages. You know what I mean? Everybody just talked about it. So, I didn't really understand that. I'm going to ask him to find out. But this is what I will tell you, though, right?

Because I watched some dudes play. I can go out there right now and give you and give you some yards right now i was about to say hold on right now i was about to say as you got older what did you notice in your game did you know what went first what did you notice as you got older what did you have to evolve and change in your game as you got older as i got older right this is something i really noticed like it jumped out to me. I was so used to making guys miss so easy and looking for big highlights. That was my thing, right? But as I got older,

I was like, yo, it's not worth it because I might not get the same opportunities. Back when I was younger, I might have get 20 touches a game. When you're older, you might get 10, 11. So I got to make the best of them. So me trying to juke a guy, make him miss, look bad, look bad you know i'm saying i might only get eight yards where i can hit the hole and get going for another 12 those little things that i think i've learned um as i got older

so you had to sacrifice the excitement for the production and this is something as you get older you kind of realize that and evolve as a player how come some of these quarterbacks can't stop throwing interceptions how come as some of these quarterbacks get older they just can't flip the switch and be like oh it's better for my team not to throw it into quadruple coverage every time how come that doesn't happen LaShawn yeah that's a hard question man because they do it a lot I don't know I think it's a passing league, bro I just taste I watched Mike Mike white. I mean he was just like he was doing after he donation on purpose Like I'm right, right. I'm not going nowhere, but that's a hard question I think another thing is the answer your last question is being more in shape when I got when I got older

You young you can just get up and just run and roll like I just miss Frank over just for I'm at the gym right now. You save these boxes. Oh Hey, how's he look? Hey, he looks he's gonna fucking dominate right? I mean this is Listen if you're a bad man, bring your checkbook on your wallet and put the money on Frank Gore So we got a hands of stone baby. Hey, we've been saying this. The dude played football running back with no pads, basically. He didn't wear pads. I saw the shoulder pads he wore. Do you see his face? He ain't playing.

Man, he ain't playing. Listen. He ain't playing. So we trained every year, and then we just started boxing. And he's good, bro. You'll see. Watch. I'm going to the fight.

How long has he been training? And is this something he's been looking forward to and excited about? And he also came out and said, hey, if any teams need a running back, I can still do it. I'm in great shape right now because of this watch. Yeah, listen. Hey, by the way, right, I can run the ball too. But in the meantime, I'm going to knock some guys out just to let you guys know.

I'm an athlete. But no, I won't talk about how many years. You know, I won't give no tips. But he's doing good. He looks good. I'm happy to see him. He's going good. He looks good. Happy to see him. He's going to put a show on. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, LaShawn, you obviously were in KC for the Super Bowl and Tampa. Is there anything that tops a boat parade? Or can you also say that the Kansas City one was just as good? Say the last part. I'm sorry. Was Kansas City as good as the boat parade? No. Yeah, okay.

It's a little chilly. I mean, the Yeah, okay. It's a little chilly. I mean, like, it's cold. The weather was different. It was a lot colder. We was on a boat. You know, let's be real. How many times do you think you've seen Tom Brady wasted? True, yeah.

I could have made $200 million off that NFT on that picture with him. You know what I'm saying? We had a ball, bro. We got on the boat. All the teammates. And I said before that we all were a great team. Everybody loved each I'm saying? We had a ball, bro. We got on the boat, all the teammates. And I said before that we all were a great team. Everybody loved each other. There was a lot of stuff going on I can't talk on the air about,

but we had a great time. Great time. Look, coaches included. Okay, all right. So we don't need to burn every bridge, I guess. Go ahead, Todd. But, Sean, what about a team like the Titans? Do you think – like they've continued to win without Derrick Henry,

but he's like – you know, he was accounting for 75% of their offense. Do you think they'll be able to keep winning with him being out for an extended period? I think so. I think they find a way to win. Like they're the old, like, fashion football. They run the ball over and over again. There's some games where Derrick Henry will have like 20 carries for 40, 50 yards, right? And he'll bust a long one because they run it over and over again.

They wear the defense down. Their defense plays very well. They get turnovers. They play physical. They stop. That's what they do to the Rams. They just play physical. And then Tannehill, bro, he plays solid enough.

He controls the game. Like, he's one of the best game managers I've seen in a long time. He's probably Alex Smith. So I think that team is there for real. Before I didn't believe so but I got to tip my hat to them. They're pretty good. That was always the saying about that Tennessee Titans offense with Derrick Henry is it doesn't matter

how successful the run is in the first half. We're going to keep doing this because in the third and fourth quarter they're going to be so beat down that one of these is going to go as a running back. Can you see it in a team whenever they can't take it anymore, if you guys are running all over them? Like, for instance, the Niners the other night against the Rams.

I assume they all knew, like, hey, we can just physically dominate this Rams team. Do you have that feeling? Is there conversations about that? For sure. I think they knew, right, that we're going to physically beat the hell out of them. They showed it, that they ran the ball all game. And it isn't like my style. See, like every style is different, but when we have a team where we run the ball a lot, I can see it.

And it works for me because I'm not like a bruiser. So when I know you're tired, I'm going to the side. I'm on the edge. I'm outrunning you, right? I'm cutting back because you're fatigued. You're tired. You're getting double teamed all night. Then, you know, guys run it to the left.

Then they play action. They roll it out to the night. Then, you know, guys run it to the left. Then they play action. They roll it out to the right. AJ, you know how that is. Like, we chase somebody over and over again. It's third and short, third and three, third and two. You got to get a stop. They get another first down. You know what I mean?

You got three, four more downs over and over again. It's like a snowball. It's like a snowball rolling downhill, and you can't. Whatever you try to do defensively, you're like, all right, here we go. Let's load up. Boom, they run a counter or something. It's a brutal thing to be on the other side of. If a team can run and you know you can't stop them, it's tough.

A guy that can't be stopped, Nick Chubb. I saw something where you listed your top three running backs right now. And Nick Chubb, I don't know if he was one or two. He was in the top three. He was one. He was one. Okay. Would he get more pub nationally if he was

like he was louder and celebrated more and he wasn't such as to seems like he is the most driven focused professional i will say this though like i've never heard the man talk he was good on this show yeah then he came on yeah yeah he was good he gave us a great conversation yo he doesn't his outfit looks looks like the mannequin, right? The poster. Yep, he looks like the poster. And another thing is, like, I mean, you switch him to Odell Beckham. If he played for the New York Giants and did the same stats, right,

he would be like the man. You see what I'm saying? So, that he's with the Browns is like, okay, man, it's the Browns. He's a great player, yo. He looks the way he looks. I mean, you might judge him and he don't really talk as much. You don't really see him, but he talks very loud in the game, on the field. I love his game.

He's physical. He's tough. He has good eyes. A lot of running backs don't have good eyes. And he has good feet to be that strong. So he's for real. Do you go into a game thinking if you break that first level, like there's nobody on this team that can catch me

for instance it feels like whenever chubb gets through he doesn't get caught he's gone jonathan taylor same thing is there some games you go in you're like okay if i can get through this first this first wave here it's off the races and then is there some places where there's like a very fast team that you change the way you you run anything like that? Yes, I think the team base, depending on like, you know, like, okay, for example, so like the Rams, you got to run at them. They're fast. They're fast up front and they're fast linebackers. So you got to go right at them.

Some of the teams that's bigger, stronger guys that are not as fast, I always think about the team and like who I'm going against. My mindset, the first guy is always going to miss. So I would run the ball and, you know, defenders coming, coming I don't even see him I'm looking at the next thing is he gonna miss me so I'm trying to how can I miss him to make him you know go deep you know how can I get a break along with so I think a lot of guys miss much like Chubbs he knows that the secondary don't really want to tackle him like that one long way ahead the 60-yarder um against the um who was

that against the the Bengals he didn't want no parts of that Real quick. I remember when I'm back in the day, right? I will watch more strong list tapes, right? He'll have 130 yards 40 yards and I'll see a guy come up to hit him Right and he'll be tips on to hit him and look more follow right around him score, right? I will play the dude He can't wait to hit me. I gotta like shake My man I watch you on tape. Tackle more Sean like a straight. Why you trying to tackle me?

That's a great example of dudes that, when you're a physical game, you wear and wear over and over again, you don't want to get tackled. Where I'll make a guy miss, now the next time I go against him, he's stuttering his feet because he don't know if I'm going to shake him. He don't want to get shook. You see get shook you see I'm saying yeah how many times you get tackled by that first guy how many times you get that never never not one time am I lying am I lying dog you're not

what is it from basketball what was your is it just natural shake what did you have I'm a basketball player bro like I was a huge on our some fans so i had a ball out so wild because i'm you know like al irison it just can't it just i don't know man you were embarrassed you embarrass people and then even when the snow in buffalo and i assume it's because you grew up in philly or whatever and there's not great weather you just were able to have a balance wow that nobody else it seems like any time people get outside of their frame, it's over in slick conditions. For you, it seemed like nothing affected you. It was rather remarkable, to be honest.

And you didn't fumble. It made no sense. I never. The first time I played in the snow was in the NFL. People always ask me that. I was like, no, my first time was the Eagle game, and the second time was the Bills. I don't know.

Zito. The football gods was watching me, right? Achilles and Hercules prayed for me. Achilles and Hercules. Zito told me in my ear before we get you out of here, and we can't thank you enough for joining us straight from the gym after

sparring with Frank Gore, who will be fighting Darren Williams. Hey, Darren, he look kind of chubby, man. Like, you see him? Like a little wedgie and all that in the stomach. Man, look, it's an easy win for Frank Gore, baby. Hey, I thought the height differential was going to be different. I thought the height differential was going to be different.

NBA guy, NFL guy, and it wasn't as big as I thought it was going to be, to be honest, so I don't know about the reach either. Nah, he's taller. He's taller. Yeah, certainly taller, but I thought it was going to be like much... He was like... He was a big point guard. You know what I mean? He wasn't really super...

He's like 6'3". I can't wait to watch it. By the way, Frank Gore played football with no pads for like 20 years in a position where he had to get hit. No shirt, no socks, no knee pads. No, the original CTE helmet, I mean, it is. This dude is

just an absolute boulder. Zito says he has a photo before we let you go that they found on... Oh, AJ. Oh, no. I think I made that touch. I think he got me. He might have got me on that one. I think I made that tackle. I think he got me.

He might have got me, I think, on that one. I think so. Really? By the way, I had about 145 that game, just to be honest. I'm glad I wasn't 245. Seems like it could have been if you didn't make that tackle right there. Oh, man, that is awesome. LaShawn, thank you for joining us.

You absolutely crush today and for us, so we appreciate it so much, man. Yep, thanks for having me, guys. Yep, I love your show, man. You guys work well together, brothers. Oh, us? Me and him? Yep. You like the crazy wild one? He's like the conservative, chill, relaxed.

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Back to the show. Joining us now is probably a man who does know the answers to these questions because hashtag J New. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who has a book coming out on January 25th called Unbreakable, who has been a leader in the conversation

about mental health and not being a stigma, NFL Fox senior insider insider Jay Glazer. What's up, dude? When did I get the title of senior insider? That's new. I had no idea. I didn't know either, but I know at other places they try to throw around those words to make people feel better. I just want to let people know.

You don't need titles. Who gives a shit about titles? Hey, I agree, by the way. I completely agree. Where are you? Is this your house? Is this, by the way. I completely agree. Where are you? Is this your house? Is this Strahan's house? This is beautiful.

No, I'm in North Dakota. Yeah, yeah, I bet. Yeah, yeah, I bet. Strahan's 50th. We decided, I'm like, where do you want to go? Take you anywhere in the world you want to go. Being the best friend that I am, he's like, man, I really, really love North Dakota. I'm like, done.

So I gave him an all-expense-paid trip here to North Dakota. Yeah, well, North Dakota's beautiful. I mean, they created Carson Wentz, who's an absolute superstar. Strahan's 50th, I assume. Is it a who's who down there? Is it a bunch of stars? And how did the relationship—hold on, Joe. How did the relationship between you and Strahan start?

Because I think the whole world knows, like, hey, Jay and Strahan are boys. How did it start, and how long has that been? That's a very close friendship, I assume. Very first week ever on our... Sorry about that. Very first week ever on our jobs. 1993, I was covering the Giants. He signed with the Giants.

And by the way, he signed with the Giants. He's from Germany, and he gets drafted to pretty much replace Lawrence Taylor, and LT's still on the team. Not a really good thing. And, you know, for me, man, I had – this was the Mecca, and the reporters and I didn't really get along that well. I know it's probably hard to imagine that. And then Michael, again, he was there trying to replace LT. so kind of no one talked to me nobody really talked to him and

we're like hey we're both morons we just kind of you know latched on each other but this was literally july of 1993 and um man if someone if a hollywood script writer wanted to write our write our our, right? Michael's whole thing with his Hall of Fame was improbable but not impossible. If we went to a Hollywood script writer and said, hey, yeah, this man, he's going to become a Hall of Famer. I'm going to become this NFL insider. I'm going to become a freaking actor. He's going to become the king of daytime TV.

I'm going to train players in MMA. We'd get laughed out of the room. There's no way this could happen. It's almost as crazy as, I guess, Matt Damon solving all the problems on the board. Oh, yeah. Good Will Hunting, by the way. Hey, Will Hunting was very good at what he did.

Oh, yeah. Will Hunting had a big brain. But it's an improbable story that has created massive amounts of success. You guys are thicker than thieves. And I know you're a big advocate for mental health and not being scared to speak about it. Is Michael Strahan one of your tag team partners in that thing? I'd assume the bromance seems to be as tight as anybody in the history of Friends. Yeah, so here's the crazy part.

And look, I owe Michael. Man, I owe him everything as far as he – you've been around me for a while. He validated me early on. When I came to that giant locker room, I'm like, man, how could I be different? Like, how could I be different than everybody else? Like, I'm not going to use my pen as a weapon. I'm going to start relationships, and I will be the last dude standing here. I will outwork everybody by not a little, by a lot.

Yeah. And he validated me to players and coaches like, hey, this dude's crazy, but he's loyal as hell. You can trust him. So without him, I wouldn't be where I am. And conversely, he's leaned on me for a bunch of stuff over the years also. It's been perfect. But it's so funny, man.

When I did the lane johnson interview a couple weeks ago that friday i had uh a mental health breakdown about three o'clock in the morning it woke me up which doesn't happen often and it woke me up with this feeling of dread and doom like man like my world is just coming to an end. And I don't dictate the rules of this thing. You know, I just fight back against it. And I just want to be a voice that gets other people to understand whether you're successful, whether you're not successful, whether you're this, whether you're that, we all deal with it. And I was supposed to go to dinner with Michael that night, and called him and I said, Hey, dude, I can't go to dinner. He said, well, I said, man, this thing has kicked my ass, bro. I'm just, man, I'm just, I'm just wiped out. I just need to get

to bed. And he said, um, you want me to come over and talk about it? I said, no. And then he said, why have you never talked to me about it? So this guy's been my best friend for 30 years. And I never, ever, ever in 30 years went to him and told two weeks ago and said, Hey, I'm having a bad day. I'm struggling. And and he's like why haven't you talked to me about it and i said i don't make the rules of this thing do you think hey jay do you think it's because it's crazy jay do you think it's because you never wanted to bring him down right because you're good vibes you're good energy you didn't want to bring it into anybody else but that's kind of the entire mission statement right like it's not a yeah well but here's the thing. Had I, had I, had I, you

know, think then the way I do now, I would have had, I want to get emotional here, but I would have had somebody for 30 years, my best friend, I could have turned him for 30 years going, Hey, man, I'm struggling today. Hey, man, I'm going through this today. Hey, I'm doing this. And I had somebody right by my side for 30 years and I never said anything. And that's unfortunately the shame that this thing brings on you. And one of the reasons I wrote the book to show everybody there's no shame, like I'm fucked up, but I'm good with my fucked upness now. And in order to get to where we are, man, we've got to be good with it. And you got to tell like your people, you got to tell your best friends, you got to tell your family. And now like, man, his reaction to me that day was,

can I come over? That's awesome. You want you want to talk about you want something to do and he was like why have you never told me and i don't i don't know why man i yeah you see him again yeah yeah it's awesome there's a lot of pain all those years i wish i did i wish i did and now he's there for me we talk about it and you know some of those guys like Howie Long, that's the guy I lean on. Because, you know, Howie got that darkness. It's made him who he is. All of us. You, together.

Everybody. You got that darkness. That's what I was about to say to you is you said you're like, I'm fucked up. I'm okay with my fucked upness. It's like everybody's fucked up, though. And I think that is the thing that you are trying to put a spotlight on is don't be scared. Don't feel shame. Do your thing. I'm happy that Strahan is as cool of a spotlight on is don't be scared. Don't feel shame. Do your thing.

I'm happy that Strahan is as cool of a dude as we all assumed he was, and I'm happy to hear that you feel comfort in chit-chatting with him. And by the way, thanks for being a face for this. You're affecting a lot of people's thoughts and change, and it's good for the world, Jay. So, hey, good on you, Jay. I appreciate it, gang. It's a hard world, man.

You know, we're all comparing ourselves to everybody else's filtered fraction of a second these days on Instagram, Facebook. So we all feel left out. We feel shittier. We see so much hate on Twitter. Like, man, the human condition is not meant to go through all this. So as long as we got a team, we could walk this walk together with all of us. And that's what this book is. I'm like, I'm trying to round up all of us crazies together.

And everybody who's going through something and fight back is like, I'm tired of this thing kicking my ass over the years. I'm ready to fight this thing back. Like, fuck this thing. I'm going to go back and beat the gray now with everybody else. That's awesome, Jay. How many pages is that book? Well, I talk about my depression and my anxiety and my ADD,

so fuck, I don't remember. I can't wait to check it out. I will tell you this. I tackle the hard shit. Man, you'll laugh your ass off. I write the way I speak. I'm out there, but man, it's funny as shit. Some of the stuff I'll tell you guys in there, you will laugh your ass off, man.

It's 224 pages, I was just told in the ear by Zito. That's an incredible penmanship. Congratulations. Can't wait for you to get it. And The Rock wrote the forward for me, which is like, hell yeah. Which is incredible, and to his credit, too, he's like, Jay, man, this message is too important.

We talked about it. He's like, man, everybody gets mad when you do one forward for somebody and not for somebody else. But he's like, dude, this message is too important. And, you know, we talked about it. He's like, man, everybody gets mad when you do one forward for somebody and not for somebody else. But he's like, dude, this is too important. Your voice is too big for this. What do you call him? Do you call him DJ, Dwayne, Dewey, The Rock? We call each other a lot of shit.

Okay. Well, I can't wait to read it. I appreciate you sharing that message with the world. Hell yeah. It's going to help a lot of people. It's awesome. Also, Small Ego Art. We got a painting in the office. Oh, you did the world yeah it's going to help a lot of people it's awesome also small ego art we got a painting in the office oh you did yeah it's beautiful we bought it it's beautiful i mean it is really awesome i'm not incredible yeah yeah i'm not a big art guy but

it is awesome man yeah it's cool man good for you thank you for that's awesome man yeah john schneider his son ben who's autistic and again some of those, you know, the proceeds go to help out other families who have children who are autistic Incredible. I mean look at that dude. It's unbelievable. It has It's like putting I you know chips on a sandwich right texture do it. He got a little addition to it. It's beautiful I'm genius. Yeah, he's a genius man. Like it's just a crap Look, we all have our we all have things about us to make a special and great you gotta find what they are and that ben found out what his is it's incredible yeah i agree okay let's move you guys are awesome dude no you're awesome dude let's go to uh let's go to some football uh shall we before you enjoy the hell out of that north

dakota beach and bar behind you um the you said on i think thursday night football you were standing on that fake field alongside olsen um and you get it good show love the show interesting show you talked about how la was in it all along right you i don't know how you no no no the other way the other way la was not in it at all no so so the other team's recordingell. Odell wanted to go to L.A. the whole time. And it was Jalen Ramsey. Jalen got a lot of juice in his league. So Jalen is the one who brought it to McVay like on Wednesday. And Odell looked at it like he didn't care if he was going to make a league with him

because he'd make more money off the field in L.A. than he would on the field somewhere else. But the other teams were courting him. But as he was on, you know, kind of FaceTime with Jalen, he was doing that with a lot of the locker rooms there. But it wasn't, you know, I know they have this about a jersey and all that. And Odell's been trying to go to the Rams for a long time. And even like after he got traded to the Browns, I remember talking to him. He's like, dude, you got to help me like get traded back.

Trade it out to the Rams. I'm like, it don't work like that, bro. You can't do it like twice in four days. It don't work like that, dude. This lake is windy. It is cold. Can we get to LA out here? That's wild. So, Otel Beckham Jr., he's releasing a video,

I Am Who I Am, on his YouTube. I can't wait to watch it. I've obviously been an incredible fan of his for all of his off the field stuff, on the field. He's insane. What was it in Cleveland? Was it the, I mean OBS putting out that video pretty damning. Is that when Cleveland was like

we have to get rid of him? Has it been a long time coming over there that we didn't know about? So originally he actually asked for his release when they didn't trade him. And they said no. Originally they said no. Kevin Stefanski didn't didn't trade him. And they said, no, originally they said, no, Kevin Stefanski didn't want to trade him.

And then when the video came out and the LeBron treat and all that, his silence was deafening in there. So they just said, okay, let's, we don't want this to become even bigger issue as we're trying to kind of fight along. So that's when they, they agree.

You know what? I'll say this too. Cleveland kind of, Cleveland could have screwed them because they could have done it where they dropped the salary down in order to do it and anybody could have claimed them and a team with a losing record. Instead, they did it where teams wouldn't be able to really claim them

because they didn't have the salary cap space. And then he was able to go sign with, you know, where he wanted to go. So, and look, I know the other night was people were looking at it going like, oh, my gosh, you know, why didn't they just put him in for Robert Woods? He doesn't play Robert Woods' position. And, Pat, you know this. These receivers don't all play the same position. You couldn't just put him in there for Robert Woods,

who is in on every play, and he does so much more than just receiving. So that wasn't – I think Sean just said, hey, these next 12 days will be big for guys like Vaughn and Odell and getting caught up to speed. Go ahead, Ty. Jay, are you hearing anything about when David Bakhtiari might play? I mean, I feel like at this point – You keep asking me that fucking question.

Why isn't it answered? Hey, you're a fucking old man. Boozing out there. We just need to hear if the giraffe is coming back. When's the guy going to fucking play? I think he's starting to work again, but they're taking him along slowly. I've got to be honest with you. When I'm talking to my

guys in the Packers, I'm bought. I mean, I love David. Great, but it's not what I'm... Man, I've got to... Next time I call, I'm going to be like, fuck, I've got to ask about Bakhtiari. When I did ask after that show a few weeks ago, I kind of got the answer of, it could be one week, it could be three weeks. We just want to make sure that show a few weeks ago, I kind of got the answer of, it could be one week, it could be three weeks.

We just want to make sure he's healthy and strong, so I kind of got that. Okay, just real quick, another offensive lineman that I know has ties to you. Kyle Wong. Remember before the season, he had an injury, and Ian Rappaport. Hey, Jay, listen, I know you guys are all

in the insider's waters, but we actually talked. Ian Rappaport said, so I guess that means that Kyle Long's going to make the team. That's good news. They're like, Ian, shut up. Ian, what are you even talking about? Kyle Long, where is he at in the recovery rehab? I think that's a game changer for the Chiefs. Not that the Chiefs didn't just get hot, but Kyle Long's a guy.

Everybody knows he's a guy in the locker room, on the field, everything. And if he's back happy in football, is he coming back anytime soon? Do you know? Yeah, I mean, his rehab went so much faster and better than I thought when it first happened. When it first happened, I was like, oh, man. And Kyle's a different – look, me and Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell trained probably a thousand NFL players over the years Kyle long has he's the strongest son of bitch who's ever put his hands on me in my entire life like he is so Next level. Oh my god. And hey you guys want here?

I don't ever tell you a great Kyle long story love them would love to do I started training Kyle I've known him since he was like nine or 11, you know Those it's my family and we are that close at Fox. Like we are, man, godfathers of each other's kids. Best man at each other's weddings. This has been a lot of freaking weddings. How's your family? For the six of us.

And so Kyle, when he was coming out of college, he lived with me. He was my son's Manny, my son Sammy. He was his Manny. And we trained him. And a couple of years into his career, he comes back to la to come train he goes hey so i'm gonna i'll drop the bags off at the house and i'll come meet you with this bar up in sunset he's gonna come mess with sammy and i'll come up there and see you i said great all of a sudden i get a call from kyle like an hour later and he goes you moved i said yeah did i not tell you kyle went and kicked in the door to the house that i used to live at oh jimmy like screaming and coming in so sasquatch comes

walking in this house and they're like these two like senior citizens who live there now and here comes sasquatch boom kicking in the door like scaring the shit out of these poor people oh that's awesome that is amazing breaking and entering for kyle would have been amazing that would have been great media coverage there especially he thought it was uh jay glazer's home turns out it was is he back they're like no no no your friend doesn't live here anymore and he said, this guy is on the phone with the phone with the...

I'm on TV right now. No, it's not TV. The internet. He's on the internet right now. I'm on the internet right now. Yeah, thank you, Joe. This poor guy, I think he wanted to go call 911, but he had one of those old phones with the cords on it.

He's like, all the way out here with the cords kyle's like hey buddy it's okay we're good i got wrong out i'm so sorry let me get out of here it's like tom brady looking for uh left which is house and going in the neighbors yes yes yeah it's awesome and i had a friend that went into the wrong house at like 2 3 a.m and end up with a shotgun oh really yeah just a little yeah that see those are those types of situations that happen as well. Talk to Jay Glazer. Kyle Long, is he coming back, though? Do we think he's going to come back?

Yeah, it looks like it. Yeah, his rehab is going so great. So, yeah, absolutely, I think he's coming back. That's awesome. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Jay, is there any thought as of right now of what's going to happen with Baker Mayfield and the Browns? Because obviously the season hasn't gone as planned for them.

Do people know if he's going to get like a massive contract or maybe he'll take a team-friendly deal? I think the Browns are going to kind of at the end of the year kind of look at all their options and make a decision and kind of wait. Who can we get? Is he our best option? And it's kind of a sticky situation, right? Because half of them, they look at it like, okay, we can win with this guy.

He can be our guy because he has that different. Baker's a little different, right? He's got some shit in him. But there will be a lot of veterans that are perhaps up for grabs there in the offseason. But that's probably the – Who? Who?

Who's going to be up for grabs in the offseason? Your guy? Who? Let's see to be up for grabs in the offseason? Your guy? No, he's not going to Cleveland. Let's see if Russell starts doing that again. Who's my guy? Who's my guy? Hold on. Peyton's playing? Huh? Andrew Luck? Who's my guy?

Who's my guy? You got Aaron. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Oh, my God. Could you imagine him going to Cleveland? He's not going to Cleveland. Oh, Aaron Rodgers. Oh, my God. Could you imagine him going to Cleveland? He's not going to Cleveland. Oh, my God. These new shock or stock shareholders.

No comment. All right. I'm sorry. When they're looking at it and they go, who's available? What guys can we get in trade? What guys are in the draft? Is Baker a better option than all of them long term? And if they think yes,

then they've got to go long term with them. They're going to, especially Jarvis Landry was just doing some incredible work for the community, and he was doing an interview, and at the beginning of the clip, I don't know how the whole interview went, at the beginning of the clip he said, I'm not getting the ball that much, but I'm trying to make the most of my opportunities in this whole thing.

Is there a discontentment going on in Cleveland, and is that because of what happened with OBS and everything that went on there? No, I don't think so. No, I just, you know, Cleveland's still, they're tough, they're in it, it's just man, the running backs keep going down. That's a team that you know you need

that run again, right? So Baker, who has those injuries, he's going to need, here's the other thing about this though, gang, he's going to need shoulder surgery all season. He's going to have to get Here's the other thing about this, though, gang. He's going to need shoulder surgery all season. He's going to have to get this thing fixed. So you want to try and, okay, he's going to be a long-term deal, but he needs surgery. So that's what I'm saying.

That one's pretty murky. If all is said and done, you know, he's fully healthy, and, man, we continue to win, then, yeah, I think. And, look, they are a winning team with him these last two years that I think all is said and done, yeah, you go and and, look, they are a winning team with them these last two years that I think all of a sudden, done, yeah, you go and try and re-sign Baker because, look, when you don't have a quarterback at all in this league, you know, man, it's miserable.

It's awful. You stink. And also – and I was thinking maybe the football gods would potentially dump on Cleveland if they finally get a quarterback after that jersey was created with 700 names on it that wins for them and then you decide to move on maybe the football gods would be like you guys you guys started to win then you fucked it up but the football gods did the complete opposite to drew bledsoe and tom brady way back i just learned last night in the man in the arena i completely forgot how that whole thing went i

don't believe in the football gods anymore lewis knocked out drew bledsoe and then started tom brady no that is not what happened jay i watched the man in the football gods anymore. Paul Lewis knocked out Drew Bledsoe and then started Tom Brady. No, that is not what happened, Jay. I watched the man in the arena last night. Drew, you were there, obviously. You know this. You're inside. Drew came all the way back from that, was then benched, basically, for Tom Brady. Tom Brady wasn't, like, taking over the world.

They were winning. They were losing. And then Drew comes in in the AFC championship game after getting paid $100 million, the biggest money in the history of the NFL, wins the game for them. Tom comes back still. By the way, a completely different Tom Brady. Oh, yeah.

That was a very different looking Tom Brady. I did not know that that happened. Bill Belichick, I think he was testing the football gods a little bit, and then what he got in return was the greatest dynasty in the history of professional sports. So I don't even believe in the football gods anymore. Like, I honestly don't. Okay, good.

You shouldn't. Definitely not. Jay, speaking of teams, and if you don't have a quarterback, you stink. Our guy, your guy, Coach T, Mike Tomlin, is it just a lack of options that he just keeps trotting Mason Rudolph out there when Ben's not in the game. And there's no way, like if Ben's done after this season, that Mason's the quarterback next year, right? I don't think that. No, I don't think that. Okay, fine.

Thank you. Thank you, Jay. I know they don't want to start over from scratch for a rookie, but I think even this year, look, the reason why they're doing this, I mean, it's kind of up to Ben, kind of like how it was up to Drew, Breeze with the Saints, too. It's like we're not going to, kind of like how it was up to Drew Brees with the Saints too. It's like, we're not gonna push him out as long as he wants to go. He's gonna just keep going. I think they were a little surprised that he came back. But no,

Ben wants to go. Ben's gonna go, but I don't see him going back after this year. So again, it's another team like it's gonna be interesting. And this isn't, you know, this isn't a great draft for quarterbacks, right? So, it's going to be more of these other, you know, the Deshaun Watsons. If Russell would be out there. Aaron, I mean, those type of guys, there's going to be a huge market. Aaron Rodgers is going to Cleveland and Pittsburgh? Oh, my God. Hey, maybe San Francisco too. Denver. Oh, my God. Hey, maybe San Francisco, too, or Denver.

Oh, my. All right, Jay, what's a story we should look forward to going on the rest of the season you think that maybe hasn't been talked about at all? Oh. Anything? You kind of put me on the spot there. I can't think about it. I've had about 14 cocktails this morning.

All right. Well, hey, enjoy yourself. Hey, just being honest with you. You kind of put me on the spot there I can't think about it I've had about 14 cocktails this morning Enjoy yourself Just being honest with you And tell Michael Strayan we said happy birthday Even though we've never met I hope you have a great time over there in North Dakota I appreciate it Hey do me a favor show that little book cover It's on pre-order right now on Amazon

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