The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 549 - Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Matt Leinart, Bill Burr, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 1, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ, and the boys chat about the report yesterday that Mike Tomlin wasn't happy with the current Steelers in the locker room compared to some of the older members of the Steelers teams that are in the media, why that was a misquote and everything isn't burning down in Pittsburgh after all, the newest episode of Man in the Arena, and they turn their eyes towards tomorrow's Thursday Night Football game between the Saints and the Cowboys. Joining the show is former Heisman Trophy winner, 2x National Champion, #10 pick of the 2006 NFL Draft, and current college football analyst and co-host of Big Noon Kickoff on FOX, Matt Leinart. Pat and Matt chat about his college career at USC, if he thinks Lincoln Reilly is the right guy to turn things around there, why he thinks he'll have an impact almost immediately, his thoughts on coaches leaving abruptly amidst these massive contract offers, he gets candid about his career in the NFL, and much more (13:45-42:57). Next, Coach Chuck Pagano joins Pat and AJ for his Coach Us Up Chuck segment to chat about how difficult and stressful it is to coach in the NFL, what it's like hiring a staff and how you balance that, his thoughts on all the different games from this past and upcoming weekend, and more (57:33-1:24:56). Lastly, one of the greatest comedians of all-time, host of the Monday Morning Podcast, respected actor, Bill Burr joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about his career as a comedian, what it's like breaking into the acting world, and he rants about a couple of things (1:26:17-1:58:36). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach Us Up Chuck Wednesday, December 1st, 2021. Rabbit, rabbit. All right, we got a big time show today. Listen, today's show is a fucking big one. Matt Leiner stops by. Oh, a Heisman winner. Okay. Chuck Pagano stops by.

Oh, legendary NFL coach. Coach Us Up Chuckie stops by. Oh, oh, okay. Bill Burr fucking stops by. Oh, oh, okay. Bill Burr fucking stops by. Oh, oh, okay. And then obviously all the boys and AJ Hawk. And we say some dumb stuff. We say some good stuff. If by the end of this thing, you enjoy it, please be a friend. Tell a friend. If not, just, I don't know. Today's one of those ones where I think you will like, I mean, there's a lot of bad shows, but today I think it a good one. Be a friend, tell a friend. Let's get to it.

Hi, we're in the 12th month. Hell yeah! Wow. Well, that is, of course, if you believe in months in time and them being in a concurrent order from January through December, because although my year begins and ends with the Super Bowl and the beginning of the football season and the free agency and all that, I run on a football calendar. December is a meaningful time because this football means more than any other football who are the pretenders who are the contenders we've been saying that for three weeks yeah banging this drum for a long time but we promise this particular beat of the drum is accurate we're about to learn a lot about a lot of teams. And yesterday we made some, you know, headlines, obviously,

with our conversation with Aaron Rodgers. He could get surgery. It would not keep him out of a game. He is feeling good, all that shit. Took a couple shots at some people that the Blue Check group did not necessarily love, but that was awesome. We also were forced to address something that we would now like to recant. That's right.

Have to do it. At Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor, at Tone Diggs is here. One half of the Hammerdown Cowboys. The leader of the Superboost going into tomorrow night. Here we go, Tony. The Superboost was on the other half of the hammer. Don Cowboys just a couple weeks ago. Gumpy.

Then it was on me. Now it's on Diggs. Diggs saddles the Super Boost horse and hopefully runs us into a goddamn heater. Come on, Tony. We're trying to get on a heater because we think at this point with what has happened between us and Fandle this

season and although the same game parlays were risk-free none of them hit no close someone fucking kneeled down from the man in the arena presented by Under Armour the beginning of that thing is so terrible the rest of it is awesome the way they get into the episode though is so clunky just what are you doing just get to the episode, though, is so clunky. Jason, what are you doing? Just get to the fucking shit. We get Under Armour, okay? We get it.

But that show is awesome. But if it wasn't for a kneel down or two at the end of the game with his rush yards, that Super Boost hits. We're living in a completely different lifestyle, I think. A different aura, a different energy. But those didn't hit. Then the Super Boost started losing. Had a couple winners. So Fandel you know beating the shit out of us so now what we are trying to do

is catch a heater and the only way we can catch a heater is we have to figure out which horse is about to go on a run this is a craps table you pass the die when seven comes and then inevitably it's going to hit somebody that is standing down there and all the energy starts coming oh my let's go eight yeah been there that's a lot of fun it's a lot of fun to be the guy holding the die yeah when that is happening as well been there a couple times that is a blast also been there uh as one of the many that have been seven. Shit. Four. Okay.

That's going to be tough. Seven. Okay. I've been a part of that whole thing. That's no fun at all. Okay. We are trying to find the hot guy and we are willing to do whatever because we have to get our money back from FanDuel in the longest NFL season that the NFL has ever had with 17 games, 18 weeks.

We are going to do that and it starts tomorrow with 10 days. Here we go, Tony. I say all of that to tell you this. We try to get it right around here. We try to get it right. In our eyes, we try to get it as right as possible. We don't talk about things we don't know about.

And when we talk about things we don't know about, we actually say, hey, listen, nobody's thinking I'd like to hear about insert thing we don't know about from Pat McAfee. And then we say, because, listen, nobody's thinking I'd like to hear about, insert thing we don't know about, from Pat McAfee. And then we say, because we have to talk about it. But any time we try to chat about something, we try to see our sources. If our sources' sources are good. We try to get a little credibility or just a little, you know, maybe a dash of truth in there.

Because in a daily show, we have to ride. You have to. We have to ride the waves because we're here every single day. And I'm naturally that type of human. I'm going to go, even though Coach is up, Chuck, which is happening today in about an hour and ten minutes, says don't ride the ebbs and the flows. You've got to be very sturdy.

I ride them in this particular world because we have to. But we like to at least try to get something. We buried the Steelers locker room, the current Steelers locker room. We did, yeah. Because of a quote that came through a tweet that hit the internet yesterday from Mike Tomlin addressing Ryan Clark addressing Chase Claypool. And Mike Tomlin said, hey, if Ryan Clark wants to speak on this, it's cool because he knows the Steelers culture better than anyone.

Okay. He spoke about the tweet that we saw from Aditi said that Ryan Clark knows more about what the culture is supposed to be than everybody in the locker room. So when Chase Claypool says, I want music at practice. And when Minka Fitzpatrick saysrick says hey we can move a little bit differently we can do things different in practice and then you hear mike tomlin saying hey these old motherfuckers know a lot more than these current mother you have to automatically assume oh shit there's some real oh yeah it feels like there's some real because they not mike tomlin is one of

the best sound bites doesn't give up shit doesn't't say anything about anybody. Doesn't, his players, he is an incredible interview. He's incredibly entertaining. Him saying something that we read in the tweet from Aditi was very much out of, like, oh,

okay, here we go. Like, this is a real thing. So we went on and we talked ad nauseum about, this team's dead.

We even started talking about the TikTok and the dancing on the logos. That's right. Yeah, we did. And everything, and oh my God, we're, it's over. And we watched Man in the TikTok and the dancing on the logos. That's right. Yeah, we did. And everything. And, oh, my God, it's over. And we watched Man in the Arena last night.

And a big part of it was Ben Roethlisberger slinging it. And Tom Brady going, you know, nobody knew Big Ben at the time. He was a great player, really good player, coming in his own and all this stuff. And Steelers fans, you know, got a chance to reminisce about the good old days when the Patriots were worried and thought about them and had to run into them late and then now you got the coach burying the players and the players talking about the coach and it looks like they're gonna lose for the first time and ben's have to retire at some point and that'll happen so we had to have that conversation had to turns out it wasn't what he

said at all no it wasn't there was just like three words there at the end that were left off that really changed the whole thing and i have no idea how that happens unless you're purposefully trying to get people to think that there's more drama than there is. Or if you just misheard it. I guess if you just misheard it. But goddamn, that tweet, it pushed us into it. Oh, yeah. And we are idiots. We apologize for being very dumb.

But whenever you read, do we have the original tweet? I believe, Diggs, you took a photo of it. I just sent it into the group. I just started this. This is the tweet that we saw that gave us the initial reaction to go, oh, the Steelers locker room and Tomlin are at odds. Uh-oh. Aditi, who covers the Steelers, has been covering the Steelers for a long time for the NFL Network.

Mike Tomlin on Ryan Clark's take on not recognizing his beloved Steelers. Guys that have been here, guys that have been in that room, guys that understand the standards, they probably have a better understanding than the guys that are in that room now. Okay? So that is, when we saw that, and Aditi works for the NFL and covers the Steelers and has a lot of, listen, this is not,

Aditi has broke a lot of news, has covered a lot of things for the Steelers. This is just one. We have a lot of respect for Aditi, which is why whenever we saw that tweet, we go, oh, shit. But actually, the clip from Mike Tomlin goes as such, and it's a little bit different,

and this is us not being big enough journalists, but goddammit, we saw a big-time journalist put a tweet out, and it's like, holy hell, in real time, we thought the world was shattering underneath the Steelers' yinzer land. This is what Tomlin actually said.

Guys that have been here, guys that have been in that room, guys that understand the standards that we aspire to, they probably have a better understanding of that than anybody that's not in that room right now. That's not in that room right now is the thing that was kind of you know missed in between the two and I don't know if it was just a mishearing or a like a troll like maybe what Erin does and we didn't catch the tone or if she just you know

simply tried to make us look very stupid because we are idiots and we'll run with that thing immediately so I would like to apologize because I do know that people you know and I mean I would like to apologize because I do know that people, you know, and I mean, I guess like humble brag here, dude. Like there's a lot of people in that building that listen to this show.

Like there's a lot of people in that building that listen to this show in different positions in the, in the entire thing. And yesterday when we go on that whole thing, I get a technically yo, yo, yo, yo, what are we even, what are we even, what's going on here? And here and then you listen to it back it's like holy shit how often does this happen we got to be better boys hey hey we got to be better on us yeah no that is we got to be better out here tone hey you're i understand you're solely focused on saddling the super boost for all of us okay to take that money from Van Der Beek. Sons of bitches. But we've got to be better, Tone.

And I know you were disheartened yesterday as well. We had a moment of silence, I think. Was that yesterday or two days ago? Two days ago. Two days ago, a moment of silence. Then that comes out. It's been a tough week. I mean, it was a rough couple days. And yesterday, I guess, didn't have to be as bad as it was.

So I would like to apologize to you as well, all Steelers fans that listen and watch. You know, I have the pillars. I removed faith, actually. Why? Tony. After the last couple weeks of Steelers football. Ain't no God. You have to change some things, okay? So it's family,

football, your job, your gambling record, and then Jesus is five now? No, he's literally gone. Wow! By the way, let's okay. One. Love Erica.

Love the family. Let's keep the family. Football is big because and then Superboost. Then your job. Then your gambling record. Yeah, okay. We got your pillars figured out. Here we go. As far as the Steelers go, for me, it goes the organization, then the coach, and then the players.

So when Mike Tomlin comes out. And says these. And says these players in this locker room right here, which he didn't actually say. No. I thought he said that. Like that for me was the lowest of the low that I could possibly be. If he was saying the current players don't understand how it's supposed to be.

Publicly, he's saying it. Publicly, he's saying it. That was tough. I mean, maybe we didn't overreact enough to that. I saw red. I saw red. Yeah. But that wasn't the case, so I feel a little bit better right now.

I assume this week they're going to get back to what they're supposed to do. I assume he's doing Oklahom's and Bull in the Ring. I can't pass it back on. Aditi, she's had a tough year in Pittsburgh. She is public enemy number one. This was the report. She also reported that defense coordinator Keith Butler has never designed or called the defense for the Steelers one time.

Which is crazy. He's defense coordinator for the team. There's photos. She's also, I don't know if people know this, she's a Browns fan. So also. I didn't. Is that real or is this just slander coming from the Indians? That would definitely happen.

1,000%, by the way, the Indians would say, you heard what Aditi said, Donner? Confirmed. Trying to tear us apart, that dog pie. It's confirmed. So we also see, we always see her. She's a great reporter, but we sometimes see her reporting as slighted anyways towards the Steelers. Should have checked it.

Should have checked it. Nah, we got to do better journalism. We appreciate everybody that's out there covering every single word that is being said every single day in press conferences. That has to be a bit monotonous. Yeah, for sure. But you also know what you're doing when you put that tweet out. There's no way you forget to put that part of it. You know, you could very easily continue it

if you didn't have enough characters. Like, you know what you're doing. It's like, all right, let's fucking, you know, let's stir the pot here a little bit. But I will say, the only reason why we're addressing it is not to point out somebody being completely wrong. It's because we were then in turn completely wrong. Oh, yeah.

So we apologize to everybody listening and watching wherever you may be. You Oh, yeah. So we apologize to everybody listening and watching, wherever you may be. Absolutely. Whatever position you are. I mean, I got numerous different levels from that organization. Like, what do I do? Let's go.

We just saw you just posted something on YouTube, the destruction or collapse of the Pittsburgh. What is this? What is this? What are you even doing? What are you even going? That's not real. I'm like, well, that's 100% my fault. I need to be a better journalist. I need to look into things, but when we're live

and something like that gets thrown right in front of my face, how can you not worry though? No, everything's fucking dead over there. It's not though. And this is just like another misleading journalism. This potentially happens either on purpose or by accident. I assume this one was by accident.

Sure. Get a figure. Possible silver lining. The alumni of the Steelers being upset is kind of the reason why they probably will never be that bad. Because there's that pressure from the outside. There's Tomlin. The fans.

There's the old players. The whole entire thing. Joining us now is a man who I think would like to think that there is at least some standard at USC. Oh, hell yeah. Because when you're talking about glory days, I don't know if anybody had a better college run as a human. No way. As an athlete, as a life, as a success story. Ladies and gentlemen, former quarterback for the USC Trojans, NFL quarterback, a 6'6 Greek god, basically.

Southpaw, Fox College football analyst, Matt Leiter. Yay! Hey, Pat, first of all, I am not a Greek guy. Bro, but you are like that. I am soft as Charmin in getting my old age. I'm working out. I was just told that I have old man strength now, and that is not a good sign. No, that's great.

Yeah, that's great because now you just get the water muscles and you're good. You know what I mean? And I see you on your show every day wearing these cutoff shirts, man. Like, what are we doing? I mean, the arms look good. I got to admit, the arms look good. Thank you. Well, sleeveless shirts, and you all know this because you're a tall, lanky, strapping man.

Sleeveless shirts and tank tops are perfect if you're a pudgy-built person because all you have to do is just do some arms. People, oh, this guy's in shape. No, fat ass, but it's being covered by the tank top. You know, one day you'll figure it out as you continue to grow old. arms people oh this guy's in shape no fat ass but it's being covered by the tank top you know one day you'll figure it out as you continue to grow old everything i said about you there uh is true though i was in college around the same time you were at usc and whenever you and reggie over there and then that entire defense that you guys had was fucking stacked and then usc just disappeared

after pete left now obviously back in the conversation with Lincoln Riley, was there any alum, like, what was it like when the team was so bad? Were you all like, was the expectation always to be great and it just didn't happen? And how did we get to this point, you think, Matt? Yeah, it was honestly, it was a little bit embarrassing. You know, there's a lot of pride to be a Trojan, especially when you go back, you know, even before us, you know, all the titles and the great players that played for USC, there's a standard to uphold there when you go to USC. And Pete Carroll brought that in, we were able to be a part of some of the best teams and best years in SC history. And then, you know, a lot of stuff happened, obviously, a lot of transitions, a lot of coaches, probably some bad decisions that were made and then all of a sudden we found ourselves you know the last five or six years just you know not not not at the bottom but

to USC standard you know it's just the perception is really bad I mean you look at I'm sure you've seen it this year the Coliseum there's 20,000 people I mean that it's just god it got so bad and um you know I think it started at the top and like any, I heard you guys talking about the Steelers. It just said every great NFL organization or college program, when you have great leadership, great coaching, um, you know, usually you have a lot of success on the field. So I will say this though, when, uh, president Folt got hired, um, Mike Bowen, the AD Brandon Sosna, his right-hand man, who's just a beast. When they got hired, I had a chance to meet with them a couple years ago and talking about the direction of USC football.

And the thing that I noticed the most was just the energy, the passion. They didn't really know a lot about what it meant to be a Trojan and all of those things. But I tell you what, they were saying, we are going to fix this place and make USC relevant, relevant again. And boy, did they do that this week. So look, I'm looking in the rear view now. I'm looking forward now. I mean, Lincoln Riley, are you kidding me? I mean, that's the biggest that's a home run higher in every sense of the word. The leadership is fantastic uh they did the right thing and i'll tell you what we're relevant again which is awesome i think it's great for us it's great for college football when usc is good so i'm excited man good idea you know spaceships don't

come equipped with rearview mirrors they dip that's exactly what all usc trojans should do especially after the academia scandal from the uh documentary with your water polo and your uh in your rowing teams i mean it was it got bad and when usc isn't good by the way the pac-12 almost disappears you know what i mean like the entire conference almost disappears it's great to have it back were you consulted or any other alumni's asked throughout the process and how long do you think lincoln riley was like the target because there was a lot of names being thrown out there. Yeah, there was a lot. So I was, um, consulted again. I have a good relationship, a really close relationship with Mike and Brandon. Um, so, uh, there were a lot of conversations from before Clay was fired to after, um, and a lot of,

a lot of, hey, these guys, and what do you think here? What are we looking for in an ex-head coach? What's important? Because there was a lot of stuff with USC that, hey, personality and this and that. And listen, Pete Carroll was Pete Carroll. I mean, you're not going to have another guy of the same personality

that embraced the L.A. culture the way he did, but you just want a damn good football coach who can develop players and get USC back. It doesn't matter if you're hobnobbing with L.A. It really didn't matter. And that was their message to me, and kind of my message to them is, hey, man, we're not going to find Pete, but we're going to go find the best coach available that's going to bring us back.

So there were a lot of those conversations. They made it a point to get a lot of feedback from former players, a lot of players from myself to Carson to Willie McGinnis. You can go the older guys to Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott. Wow. That's awesome. you know willie mcginnis to you can go the older guys to marcus allen ronnie lott um yeah so so so they really wanted to embrace what what do we want to see in our next head coach now at the end of the day they're going to go out and get their guy and they had they had lincoln on the radar from day one um i was shocked to be honest with you i thought it was going to be matt campbell you know

i was hearing the rumors the day before that Matt Campbell is probably the guy, which I would have been happy with as well. He's a really good football coach. But obviously when these things happen, they do happen very quickly. But there had to be conversations with Lincoln in the weeks prior to set this up, I think, which just tells me our guys at USC did a fantastic job. They knew who they wanted, and they got them. Yeah, so are they using your plane?

Like they told allegedly the contract is 24-7 access to a private plane, allegedly. These are all – Yeah, I mean, I saw that too. I mean, jeez. Hey, start coaching, Matt. Start coaching. Dude, get a whistle.

Dude, I'm telling you, man. We're on our big new kickoff chat. I know you know Brady and Joel Klatt and Reggie and all our crew. And actually Coach Stoops is on there who now is the intern for Oklahoma, which is crazy. That's awesome. And we're just like, dude, we got into the wrong profession, man. Like $100 million?

Yeah. Dude, I think I could go motivate a team for $100 million. No, but it's wild. I mean, the things that are being thrown at these coaches, and look, I mean, it's the asking price these days. How do you feel about it, Matt? Matt, big noon kickoff, obviously. I enjoy watching a good atmosphere.

You guys, I think, have really gone to work on it. You know, like, We've seen it grow. I didn't get a chance to see the beginning of College Game Day. I kind of saw it. Watching you guys kind of grow is awesome, but now you're like an authority on college football. You're one of the big voices alongside those people. How do you feel about the Brian Kelly situation, for instance?

I mean, it's been happening, again, since the beginning of time, but it's crazy that Notre Dame could. And it's still, and then the beginning of time but right it's crazy that Notre Dame could you know and it's still and then the way it all I don't know as an adult I get it like 95 million dollars you're doing your thing but there has to be some sort of standard right like I don't think I fully understand how that whole thing pans out you know I mean hey can you I mean Pat just put yourself I mean again I try to put we older. We get the business side of things. It's $100 million. I don't think anybody's saying no to that. But as a player, you're a 21-year-old player.

Plus, there's a very good chance Notre Dame is in the playoff. A few things need to happen, but they have a realistic path just to slip in at number four. And then all of a sudden, your head coach is gone. path just to slip in at number four. And then all of a sudden, you know, your head coach is gone. So I would say there's probably a more tactful and maybe tasteful way to do that because, you know, the story comes out of he's recruiting and then the story breaks right after you're in a recruits home trying to get him to go to the game. Your staff is on the road recruiting. I'm not sure they were even aware at the time that he was going. Again, these things are happening so fast now, so I understand

the business side of it, especially as a grown man, and I get it, but there's got to be a more tactful way and tasteful way to do it and not hold a 7 a.m. two-minute press conference or meeting with your team. Two minutes, basically basically you're saying

guys i'm out could he just do it on the text a great run and i'm done why couldn't he just follow up with the text and just say hey instead of a two minute like when rich rod i was there when rich rod went to michigan and the year before there was a um a tease he was going to alabama and we had these emergency team meetings called the next morning i think they were at like nine maybe because rich rod liked to sleep a little bit. I don't know why 7 a.m. was the time or whatever. But two minutes? What are you even doing in two minutes?

Because you've got to think about the walk to the thing as well. He's walking into that room. He's not standing up there to begin with. So that's 30 seconds of walking at least. So what is he even saying that he couldn't have said in that 2 a.m text i don't know i will say this like so so i was at lincoln's press conference on monday at sc and look it's it's a it's a little bit of a different situation both oklahoma's done obviously they have a bowl game but he left he already hit the ground recruiting all of those

things but i know he had a team meeting and he actually got choked up and talking about Oklahoma so there there was a look at the end of the day he got paid he took a job he left his team all that but he got choked up talking about what Oklahoma meant to him and to me that's genuine knowing Lincoln a little bit and I'm assuming um and I know coach Stoops and I've talked to coach Stoops Lincoln it was a very difficult decision for him. And I'm sure there was a lot of motions in that team meeting room from Oklahoma. So there's a way to do it, you know, and there's a way not to do it. And, look, at the end of the day, it is what it is. These players, you know, they're at the mercy of these coaches leaving.

And, again, you know, it is what it is. So there's probably a more tactful way to do that. But $100 million, that two-minute, he's going on that private plane and he's out. Yeah, and then he cuts a promo for the LSU video. It's like a promo about what he learned at Notre Dame to bring to LSU. It's like, golly, this guy has turned full heel. But if he wins, if they win, nobody cares. Like that's the thing about all sports, not just college football, NFL football.

And you were talking about Lincoln Riley not being Pete Carroll and embracing and hobnobbing with L.A. If you win, L.A. will hobnob with you. That is every city, by the way. That's not just L.A. That's the every city. I was telling this to someone the other day. Pete, we were terrible.

My true freshman year was pete's first year we were six and six we lost to utah in the vegas bowl um and utah beat i think we lost ten to six like it was a horrible game no one gave a crap about us we had i think our attendance was 30 000 and that was when the the coliseum had 100 000 before the renovation. The next year we go 11-2. It was a one-year fix. We go 11-2. We beat Iowa in the Orange Bowl. And the Coliseum, yeah, we beat, I think it was Brad Banks

and Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders. Oh, no, it was my guy! It was my guy! To hell with you, Matt. You shouldn't have beat me. Hey, Bob was a beast, man. And all of a sudden, hey, Snoop wants to come. And Will Ferrell is on the sideline.

And God, I mean, who's who? And then Peaches said, screw it, man. Like, why wouldn't I use this to my advantage? So, look, it happens that way. As you said, you win, fans love you, man, especially a place like USC because let's face it, I mean, there's a lot of Dodgers, Lakers,

I mean, there's everybody around here. So USC, they have to be good. Fans will show up. That's kind of sometimes the type of fans that we had at USC, but who cares, man? And I'll tell you what, Lincoln will sell out the Coliseum next year. That place will be full next year. Yeah, and I think that's awesome to hear, by the way, and congrats, Lincoln.

I think you already signed like some seven-star quarterback out of LA or whatever. Oh, he's flipping everybody already. Yeah, and he's using LA, but I think if we know anything about USC, it is a school filled with alumni that just want to be associated with USC. They will stage photos in small pools. That's right. Did you watch that? What were your thoughts on that?

And how many of those did you know while you were in school there? What are you talking about? Oh, come on. Are you talking about the staged photos? You want me to talk about the academic scandal? Yes. Is that blown out of proportion? Is that blown out of proportion, you think, by people like us that are on the outside?

Or do you think it was just something that was just casual? I had no idea. And that's a dead honest truth. I mean, like, first of all, that was, gosh, 12 years after me, you know. And I had no idea that was happening. I will say this. It was a lot easier, a lot easier to get into USC then, even when I was there. Now, I was there from football scholarships, so I was probably oblivious to how kids got in.

But back in the day with USC, it was, hey, you know, mommy and daddy's money gets you in. If you were a legacy, you're going in. If you could just if you could play football or whatever sport you're getting in. And that's that was probably a lot of schools, but they really cracked down on academics. And, you know, not to get all serious, but it is like one of the harder schools to get into now academically in the country. You know, it's not on the level of Notre Dame and some of the and some of those schools but um no I had I had no idea but I gotta be honest with you I love Aunt Becky I love Lori Loughlin you know I mean to meet that shout out to Aunt Becky you know neither here nor there but she was a childhood crush of mine. Yeah, well, I think for a lot of people.

And also Mossimo made great tank tops. Oh, yeah. I mean, shout out to Mossimo as well. Dude, I still wear Mossimo. It's all good, man. I got a bunch of them from Target, too. They stopped selling. Something tells me you got a lot of Mossimo tanks still in that closet, Pat. Well, thanks.

I was the one that just told you. Well, the way you're rocking the R's, man, I mean, come on. I mean, every once in a while they get a little comfortable. I don't like that old Mossimo had to go to jail, though, because he was an incredible designer. I'm like, hey, let's go. Let's get this figured out. But it makes sense why they would start doing all that shit

if that's what it was back in the day, and then it changed because of rules and everything. So they had to start figuring out ways to still do it. And with all that being said, if they win, USC is going to be all the way back. It is going to be a full thing, and it seems like Lincoln Riley only does that whenever he's coaching. Go ahead, Ty. Matt, there was a lot of talk after I think you won the Heisman

about you going into the draft being the first pick the year Alex Smith went. When you actually got into the NFL, you went 37-2 at USC. Did you expect to win right away, and was it difficult when you got there? It's like, oh, shit, we're not going to win right away. Yeah, it's interesting. Actually, I know Aaron's on the show, which, Pat, I love. I love those interviews every week. Sweet, sweet. Appreciate you.

But that year, it was Alex, Aaron, and then myself. And they were leaving. And I had decided to stay for a couple reasons. Again, to be honest, I've been honest. Everyone thinks I was, like, BS. I'm like, dude, I didn't want to leave USC. I thought I could get better. I thought I could get better physically and get stronger for sure. I had some injuries that I was dealing with, but I just did not want to leave.

I just loved it there and what we were trying to do. So that was dealing with, but I just did not want to leave. I just loved it there and what we were trying to do. So that was a big reason why I came back. And for me, look, like I've been very candid about my career and I'll be the first to tell you that I was disappointed in just not being able to live up to what I thought I could be. I mean, to be honest with you, and I still to this day felt like I had enough talent to have success. I mean, to be honest with you. And I still, to this day felt like I had enough talent, um, to, to, to have success. I walked into a situation with Denny green, God rest in peace. I love Denny green. He drafted me. Um, you know, my rookie year, I had Larry, I had Anquan. Um, we were, we were five and 11, I think, but, um, we had talent and then Denny and I had a pretty good

rookie season, you you know given like there was a lot of to look forward to and then wiz and hunt got um hired and um there there's a lot of you know back and forth between me and ken and that's fine and and you know i got respect for him he was a good coach and all those things but we just didn't see eye to eye. I probably was a part of that. He was probably a part of that. So for me, the minute Ken came in and then Kurt Warner obviously resurrected his career, became a Hall of Famer, it was just hard for me to get back. And you guys know this. I mean, just like in anything, for me, it was about confidence. I lost all my confidence in Arizona, all of it.

Every time when Kurt took over, every time I had it, I just thought I was always looking over my shoulder. When I got in, I never felt comfortable there. And again, part of my fault probably and part of just the situation I was in. And then I'll say this. When I went to Houston and I got cut by Arizona, I went to Houston with Gary Kubiak and all of those guys. And I got cut by Arizona. I went to use him with Gary Kubiak and all of those guys. That was the best I felt in my NFL career as a player.

My mindset, he was fantastic. And he's got a long history. It's the Kyle Shanahan's. It's that offense. It's that system. And it was so great for me and what I learned. And I remember in, I think it was 2011, Schaub went down and I started against Jacksonville and I was, I got hurt in the first half at the end of the first half, but I was playing really good. I felt calm. We were a playoff team that year and I broke my

collarbone and that was the second time. And that was when I was done. And that was when I just felt like it's not meant for me. So that was a long winded answer answer. To answer your question, I just – I never fully got the confidence that I needed to get back until I got to Houston. And by that time, it was just really too late. But, you know, as quarterbacks, and I'm sure you guys talk about this all the time, Pat, if you're a quarterback, you go to a great situation, great team, great organization, you've got a chance to be very successful.

We've seen a lot of quarterbacks go to places where, know just not surrounded by a whole lot and all of a sudden three or four years in you're lost you're lost in the shuffle and that's kind of what happened to me um and then also just some of the things that i probably could have controlled better hey thank you for being as open about your losing of confidence in there because i think whenever we all think of matt liner playing we see you in the usc trojan and we see you just painting balls into like you had this your release looked as if it was like a feather coming down the way you threw it it was like it was awesome it was awesome you know what man we're talking about like sometimes I sit here and I'm just old. My hips hurt.

I'm skinny fat, dude. I can't put a bicep together. I just have old man strength. Sometimes I wonder how I even played football. Then you see some highlights and you're on the show. Then my older son, he's 15, and he highlights and we, you know, you're on the show and then I'm like, and then my older son is 15. And he's a hell of an athlete, man. He's a great quarterback, great basketball player, six, three already. And I'm just like, sometimes I got to remind him that pops was a little bit of a baller back in

the day. Sometimes I got to remind him that. So, yeah, you know, it was, it was a good time. I look, I'd be the first, I wish I could have played longer in the league. I really do. But at the end of the day, man, I am, I mean, I was a good time. Look, I wish I could have played longer in the league. I really do. But at the end of the day, man, I mean, I love my job. I mean, you know, I just love my job. I love the guys. Matt, hold on one second.

Can I ask you about like a quarterback being in a situation where you feel like you've got to look over your shoulder? Because you would be a great person to ask this about. Tua, Tua down in Miami. Last year, Tua gets drafted. It's Fitz's team. Then publicly it's announced Tua's the starter. Fitz is devastated because he wasn't told. The team isn't ready to be Tua's team. Then they start pulling Tua in like the two-minute drill

at the end of the game and when it mattered and putting Ryan in. So they're splitting the locker room even more. Then this year, all offseason, they want Tua out. I don't know how Tua is mentally tough enough to stay down there and still perform. I honestly have always thought that. Whenever you talked about your time there in Arizona, I'm like, holy shit. I tap into here that quarterbacks are humans.

How do you think this ends up working out for Tua? I have no idea. Listen, honestly, man like like two is two is playing pretty well like yeah he's got a lot of mental strength to handle that and and and it's a it's a it's a great example because last year i remember watching him i just like did you just drafted this dude in the top five like he can play like listen there's not a lot of there's not a lot of surrounding pieces around Tua in Miami. I mean, let's just put it that way.

They don't have a lot of great pieces. I love Waddle, but they don't have a number one. And I love Fitzy. Fitzy's just a baller. I love that guy. But this is your top five pick, and you dangle him in and out in the two minutes. I'll tell you this. In 2007, so my second year, that's

Wisenhut's first year. I'm the starter going into the season. The first five games were three and two. In that fifth game we won, we go to Baltimore. And I was told in that game that Kurt Warner and I were going to split reps. At that time, I knew that game that kurt warner and i were going to split reps at that time i knew it was over and we were going to split reps because he was going to and this is nothing gets hurt this was the situation we were going to run this no huddle you know this no huddle package and this and that and that was when baltimore had ray and ed and they were just their defense was nasty i struggled i was like 7 of 15 in the first half, whatever. Kurt comes in. We win.

He balls. The next week I start at St. Louis, and I broke my collarbone, and that was it. I went into that game. I actually played okay, but I was like, dude, I'm over. My career is over. Like, this is it. Like, I'm done. Like, all I could think about was when I was going to get yanked again

as opposed to, hey, this is my team. I'm going to go out there and ball. It was just really hard for me. That's why I give credit a lot of – or give to a lot of credit, man. Like he's done a really good job handling that situation. But that is damn hard to do, man, because as a quarterback, you want your quarterback to go into a game as mentally prepared and focused as he possibly could be. Because, you know, the NFL is no joke. If you look at Sam Darnold in New York and you just look at some of these guys

that go into these situations with no help and all of a sudden something happens, you're gone. So I hated how they handled that with Tua. I wish they would have given him a chance this year, and I think he's actually doing pretty well. I mean, I know the record's not great but um yeah that's it's extremely challenging you have to let have a lot of mental toughness and resolve yeah to just say i don't give a crap what's going on behind me i'm gonna go out there and ball and if it's not good

enough then then get my ass out of here i'll go somewhere else isn't it crazy to think that that's happening at the highest level of football and that's why while you're telling this story i was like laughing like of course they had you start out yeah like that that's happening at the highest level of football? And that's why while you were telling this story, I was laughing. Of course they had you start out here. It's the NFL. It's fascinating. It's the highest level. You hear that said in locker rooms sometimes when decisions are made. They're like,

there's no other league higher than this one in that decision we just made. It's crazy. And the quarterback position, it's the most important position in football. It's just like, ah, dude, it bothers me. Even at the college level, like Michigan, we're at Michigan, Ohio State. And, again, they won, and they run their two-quarterback system with Cade and J.J. McCarthy.

And they're different. And I've always been like, hey, if there's two different players that have a completely different skill set, it'd be like me, Arizona, and then all of a sudden Lamar Jackson comes in, and he's a great, but he runs the ball, whatever. I understand that because there's a package for that. But in the NFL, it's like Tua and Fitzy. I mean, they're different. I mean, Fitz can run, but it's the same thing.

So I just hate that, man. I hate that there's – well, we say if you have two quarterbacks, if you're playing two quarterbacks, you have nobody know that that's the thing that's a big time quote around here it's a big time quote around here matt we say it a lot whenever situations you have two you have none right it's like it's just i hate it man hey last question here for you we can't thank you enough for your time you've been incredible by the way go ahead connor yeah matt on the same subject do you think that's why uh mac jones and the patriots have had so much success because they got rid of cam before the season and basically just have gone with mac from the start and there's

no second option behind him i i think it's part of that you know he walked into a situation where he was told he's the guy and i will say this just mac j Jones personally, he was really damn good at Alabama. And I know he had the players, and I get all that. He reminded me so much of Joe Burrow. And again, I talk to coaches and all that and the way they played because you talk about a dude who is so confident in his ability and so mentally tough that I just knew Mac Jones, especially then you combine that going to New England,

a place like that with that culture and McDaniels and Belichick and those guys. I was like, dude, this dude. I told my older son. He was like, Mac Jones. I'm like, I'm telling you, buddy, like this kid is the real deal. Hey, this guy's got the same body as dad. This guy's got the same body as dad. This guy's got the same body as dad. His body's worse than mine.

But that's a good question. I think he just – look, he's in a great situation, and he's got a great coach, and he's got a great offensive coach, and you combine that with his – he is – he's a dude now. I was saying that coming out of college. I don't care. He may not be the best athlete, but at the end of the day in the NFL, you don't have to be an athlete or quarterback to be damn good.

Look at the greatest to ever live. He's really good, man. I'm happy. He's a great kid. He's tough as hell. I'm happy for him. Yeah, he had great odds for Rookie of the Year too early, and we all hopped on that.

We can't thank you enough for joining us, Matt. This conversation has been awesome can't wait to watch you on big noon kickoff every single saturday throughout the rest of the year here thanks for having me pat appreciate you man i'll see you soon buddy i'll send you some tank tops all right and hey get yeah give me some man i'm sure you got your own line or something no no i just buy 50 of them from amazon just kind of cycle through do you have just the bush push uh do you have that just all over the house do you have that everywhere or is this a play you'd rather forget dude you want i mean hold wait hold on you want me to show you yeah

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We appreciate your time. So now I moved in. So my son, he has it on the wall. That's dope. That is so sweet. Yeah. So funny story real quick. So when Urban Meyer was on the show a couple of years ago, he comes over after one of the Saturdays we're hanging out and I had told him, I'm like, I'm like, he's like, dude,

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It was my first college game in forever. It was awesome. Did you kiss Coach K? Was I supposed to? Well, this is kind of the same. It's his farewell tour. And it was in Columbus. I didn't know it was in Columbus.

Did you go say, hey, Mr. K, thank you for inventing college basketball? Did you say that? Or did you dance in his face that Ohio State got the big win? I did not have a chance to communicate with Coach K. he seems to be pretty busy pretty important guy but i did i was sitting across the court from him so i did i like to watch him interact with the referees throughout the night which he has a lot of activity with those dudes and his team it was it was cool to see man those guys are all so damn good were you on the wood you were feet on the wood down there? No, no, I was perfect. Like 50-yard line, half court, like up a little ways.

50-yard line? With 50-yard line, watching the Heismans battle it out down there. Behind Jay Billis. I was like 20 yards up from, I think, Jay Billis. 20? Hey, so whose seats are those? Are those Uncle Dick's? I don't even know.

I had a couple reach out to us and ask if we wanted them. We finished up fifth grade practice around 8.15, hopped on down there. Hey, that's a knife for the Hawks. There you go. So Ohio State did win. How many O-H-I-O. How much of that was us? A lot of them.

They do it throughout the whole arena, and I was one of the O's. So I was getting into it. If you were in the middle, though, is that kind of in between two letters there is that is that oh h i oh usually and i was on another so then an o is right next to another o it started it must have started on the h so it must be thirds it's cut into thirds because one is oh two h uh and then the same o squad because there can't be two o's in a group oh like i say behind this hoop says oh then the same O squad? Because there can't be two O's. No, the middle group. O, like I say, behind this hoop says O. Then the middle group says H. I down here, O.

So then it's like two O's, but there's a little break before the next O. Oh, oh, oh. Shouldn't they do O because it's two different O's? Yeah. Because this particular set of vocal cords is different than that. So it's two different O's

so that they know that we are beginning a new... From every new beginning comes from some other beginnings and that would be the last Ohio chant. Don't you think you guys should do it in thirds? Don't you think just the O's squad should have double the work? Whatever the case. I'm happy you got a chance to go there.

No, you don't want to keep going on this? I thought for sure we could break this down. I just learned that Ohio State beat Duke last night whenever you said it. I'm just pumped. Ohio State's been good. It's a big win. Ohio State beat Duke last night whenever you said it. I'm pumped. It's a big win. Ohio State had a rough week. They were down like 10 to 12 the whole game, and then they came back and won. It was sweet.

Well, that's when you're in attendance, they win. When you're not there, they lose. For instance, Michigan drums Ohio State because you're not there and you don't say I-O to my O-H's. You go into O-H-I-O. They win. Beat Duke on Coach K's little farewell tour. Is this not a sign that maybe you should be a better Buckeye? Is that not something that you think about ever for the good of all of Ohio State

before Ryan Day just gets up and leaves like Brian Kelly or something? Do you ever think about maybe being a better Buckeye and going to every single game and every single I.O. gets answered, AJ? What do you think? Maybe. I mean, I'll tell you what, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought. And I've always had a ton of respect for those dudes. But when I watch them in person, first off, the Duke team is a bunch of freshmen.

I think they have – Connor, you would know, do they have the number one overall pick there? Apollo something. He fouled out, unfortunately, but that dude is an absolute. They're so big and so athletic. Yeah, I'm very impressed the more I watch. How do you feel about their effort? Good effort?

Did you tell the kids, hey, listen, that's good effort right there? Did you tell that to the Ohio State team? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they hustled their ass off. I don't know how you score any buckets. You've got to be a lights-out shooter because these dudes are all up in your face all day long. Well, that's like in L.A. Fitness or YMCA. You run into one of these D3 basketball players.

They're like full-court press in the rec center. Yeah, and they actually have good timing with their hands and stuff. The people that never play, you can kind of get them because they're just guessing. Those guys that practice every single day on how to play defense they fucking they're better than you like that is something that's gonna happen and i i think i recognize that with the nba because i would go to these pacer games and i i grew up in pittsburgh nobody cared right about the nba i'd watch the lakers because they were on late at night and i did i couldn't sleep so i like enjoyed it but when i started going to nba games it was like they don't try they don't try i'm like

those motherfuckers would take the ball from you every single time you tried to. Every game, by the way, they're like, no, they don't give effort. They don't give effort. It's like, what are you even talking about? To score one bucket. Watch them score one bucket. You have to put on 13 moves, hit a fadeaway step back from 32 feet just to get it like a routine bucket. And then you've got a seven foot two person who's somehow able to lumber their big fucking body into jumping and putting their hand directly in your face.

And then they're just making shots. You don't even play defense. It's like, okay. Maybe just the offense is that great. I love basketball. Impossible to watch full games on television. In person, much better. It's an event.

It's a to-do. There's people dressing up that walk down, be seen. on television in person much better. It's an event. You know, like it's a to-do. There's people dressing up that walk down, be seen. I assume the Hawk family got on the jumbo trombones? Of course. Of course. No chance. No.

What? Why would I? No one knew I was coming? Did I have to tell them I was coming? They didn't know. I thought for sure, like as soon as you walked in, they were like, oh, look at that fucking jawline and then the the cheerleaders get the sign and it's h a w k with your face up there you guys stormed the court last night i just learned because you guys beat coach k on his farewell tour did you make your way out there did you throw the kids into the middle

of the kids didn't come it was a 9 30 tip off are not making that one. They go to bed at 7.30. I stormed the parking lot. As soon as I knew that the Bucs won, see ya. We got out. Oh, so you were kind of like in Armageddon. You were that one car. Because everybody else is going down this way. I was on the aisle seat, luckily.

So, boom, they sealed it. I took off. You didn't see the end of the game. You didn't even know they were on the court. I saw it. They fouled them. They won by off. Oh, you didn't see the end of the game. You didn't even know they were still on the court. I saw it. They fouled them. They won by five. They got fouled and made the free throws. I was watching the free throws from the concourse as I'm walking up. Hey, by the way, better move right there.

Better move. I did that for Robert Mathis' Ring of Honor ceremony. You know, if you kind of sit in the back and just kind of watch, you can just easily, you know. I'll be right back. Your Irish goodbye, right? Yeah, yeah. Always.

Yeah, but that saves you from all the, you know, like the 30. As I'm talking to everybody, I'm also telling them goodbye at the same time. You know, throughout the entire game. It's like, you know, full conversations. Great to see you. And then I have to judge whether or not if I was to not talk to this person again for The rest of the day would it be good if I was to talk to him or run in? Yeah, it would be it'd be great Okay, all right, and then once that check is off on everybody

All right time for me to get the hell out of here I watched a couple of the games though a little bit of the game on my way out from the concourse section That's the best the concourse is the best. You have the area, your space, you get great views, you don't have to worry about anything. And if you want to escape an A.J. Hawk crowd that A.J. Hawk would get in Ohio, you've got to go with that.

Hey, let's get to some stuff before Coach Chuck Pagano joins us. A.J., we were wrong about the Tomlin coverage yesterday. Did you see us lead off the show? We actually had to recant our story, unlike the Wall Street Journal, which we learned yesterday. We had to recant our narrative and our rant

and our devastation for the collapse of the Steelers because we were told that Tomlin said that the ex-players know more about the standard of the Steelers than the current room. Now, they probably have a better understanding than the guys that are in that room now was tweeted by somebody we have respect for, has access, works for the NFL. Used to work for the Wall Street Journal. Wow.

Incredibly talented journalists. Well, you know, good depth. Maybe a Browns fan, I guess people say. But we reacted because this is multiple days of shit happening within the Pittsburgh Steelers organization that doesn't normally happen. Then we heard the clip, and he didn people say, but we reacted because this is multiple days of shit happening within the Pittsburgh Steelers organization that doesn't normally happen. Then we heard the clip and he didn't say he said outside of the people in the room right now, those veterans, the guys that have been here understand the standard more than anybody outside, basically. So it's a much different quote. But still, this is the drama that surrounds losing teams. And the Steelers are in it right now, in the middle of that thing right now, AJ. I saw

they played the clip, I believe, on Get Up this morning and definitely when he said outside of the guys in that room right now, oh, that's a huge part of this whole story. You can't... It almost sounded like from the tweet that he's siding with his former players. These guys are trash. That's what I have now. Yeah, and we, by the way,

we acted as such. We ran with it. We were like, oh my God, we got Chase and we got Minka saying we need something different. We got Tomlin saying, I wish these old guys were in here still. I mean, it was, holy hell, you know, all the world. I think the title of the YouTube video is

Pittsburgh Steelers are collapsing in front of our eyes. Yeah. And it's like, that's all because of that. But we got to be better journalists. We had to talk about that in the first hour. Aaron Rodgers falled out. Kyle Long has been activated off the physically unable to perform. He made it.

He made the squad. Yeah, he made the squad. Congrats, Kyle. Can't wait to watch you start and dominate. Yeah, we remember Kyle Long retired from the Chicago Bears. Look at that head. You want to hit that head? I had to.

He is a large man who's a freak athlete, by the way. Freak athlete. Great hands. Great coordination. Can run as if he's a defensive end or tight end or H-back. But he is a guard that plays in a position that you have to be able to be sturdy. He's an ox. This dude's a fucking ox from a family of oxen.

Okay, that is who he is. He retires from the Chicago Bears after multiple All-Pros and Pro Bowls to start his career. Gets into a beef, obviously, with the Chicago Bears organization as turnover happens and everything like that. I think personally he never told me this or told us this. Kind of fell out of love with football at that moment kind of was jaded Hated it tried retirement had a NASCAR show worked for CBS for football was learning the game of golf

And I think as he continued to watch he remembered why he loved football and remembered how good he was at football And his brother talked about how he's in incredible shape, then we got to chat with him. He looked amazing He looked happy. And he did a tour. He went to the Raiders. Then he went to the Chiefs. And we told Ian Rappaport, like, hey, when this guy gets injured, what are you hearing on timeline? Ian goes, he's going to make the team, I guess. It's like, Ian, you fucking idiot.

Yes, he's going to make the team. I assume he is going to be very dominant. And I'm incredibly happy for him getting back. Rehab is no fun, especially when you fracture something in your leg, AJ. This is going to be a great story to his career. Hopefully the Chiefs are getting back on track. Kyle Long comes in and plays well. I think also when he retired, he'd been banged up for multiple years in a row.

He just continued to fight through injuries. So I'm sure taking that time off helped his body heal, and then unfortunately, bam, gets hurt right away, and now we get to see him. He gets to be there for the home stretch. Hey, he's a monster, dude. Yeah. I think it helped his body heal, and then unfortunately, bam, gets hurt right away, and now we get to see him. He gets to be there for the home stretch. Hey, he's a monster, dude. Yeah. I think it was his...

Yeah, I know. I used to watch him try to pick people off of piles and run a submarine dive and take his head and knock us off a pile. Hell yeah. Very done. And he's laughing. He would laugh while he's doing it.

Oh, my God. I respect the move, man, but just don't get me in the side of the head. Yeah, like he's a hard-ass, and he's also kind of a goober who's hilarious. Boom, we'd like engage and headbutt. He's like, oh, yeah, he's yelling in the middle. I love him from day one. He was like that as a rookie.

Yeah, and they made the Pro Bowl his rookie year because I think I was there. My first Pro Bowl was in my fourth or fifth year. It was his second year in the NFL. It is his second Pro Bowl or maybe his third year and it was his third Pro Bowl so he was like the mayor almost of the Pro Bowl and he's like five years younger than me and we had a great he was awesome I'm so thankful as is the man that's joining us right now got a chance to see him in person this weekend came into into the office, met all the boys. The boys love him. I think he and his wife actually enjoy that he comes on the show every week. And we enjoy that because we're thankful for his words every single week. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Coach Us Up Chuck with our guest, Chuck Pagone. Good hoodie, cuz.

What day, finally. I had to go the distance to get it. Good hoodie, cuz. What day, finally. Yeah. I had to go to the distance to get it. Yeah, come into this. What a great time we had, but the highlight definitely was showing up to 935 North Meridian Street to the office. Oh, Jesus Christ. Hey, thanks, Chuck. Thanks, Chuck.

Chuck, what is your... Thanks. Put his house address out there. Yeah, Jesus. Chuck, what is your address? Thanks. Put his house address out there. Yeah, geez. Chuck, I mean, my. Do you know the amount of shit that shows up with this off? What was that again? Yeah, easy, AJ.

You know the amount of stuff. You know what's going to show up. It's a holiday season. Hey, listen, everybody. That's our old address. Yeah. We moved. We're out of here.

Geez, that was just two days ago. Well, I guess I'm no longer wanted on the show. All good, man. I think it's pretty obvious out there anyway. It's not a big deal, but it was great seeing you. And then obviously getting a chance to go to the game and celebrate Robert, running to old players. Did you know a lot of the old guys from the first regime,

or was that your first time kind of meeting everybody? A lot of them, Pat, first time, you know, meeting those guys. Had a chance. A lot of those guys were just going out the door, you know, when I came in. You obviously, you know, played with those guys and things like that. But, like, Gary, I knew Gary Brackett. You know, he was out that year. Justin Snow.

You know, so a lot of those guys, you know, were just going out the door. You know, JP, you know, was still on the team, that 2012 team, and then Bruce got the Arizona job and went to Arizona with him. And I only got to coach him for a couple games, you know, because I missed those 12 weeks with the cancer battle and stuff. But great group of guys, happy as hell for Robert. That was a lot of fun watching him, you know, be inducted into,

you know, the ring of honor. And it was great sitting and spending time with you and those guys and talking football and life. And yeah, it brought back so many great memories, you know, being back in Lucas Oil Stadium. God, and was it, it was freaking fabulous not being the coach, It was freaking fabulous not being the coach and not having the stress. Like you didn't have to, you know, try to punt a football down inside the five-yard line, and I didn't have to make any challenges or any stupid calls or try to run some dumb kicking plays. No, no, no, some good fakes, good fakes. You know what I mean? But great, great memories, and it was stress-free, which was awesome.

It was an actual celebration, which was awesome. It was an actual celebration, which doesn't always happen at those events. I think, like, sometimes they can kind of get stuffy and kind of miss out. Everybody had a good time. And I think everybody was very, you know, pumped to chat with you because Reggie's always said great things. It was a cool crew. It was great to see everybody. You fit right in.

You would have been great with that group, too. Go ahead, AJ. I'm sorry about that. I was curious, Chuck. You talked about how stressful it may be. Could you describe how stressful it may be week in and week out in the nfl being a head coach like i just know even at lower levels how stressful high school coaches may be eighth grade coaches like they i know how serious they take it as the the head of one of the 32 nfl franchises i would imagine like that can weigh on you a bit. It's a lot. You wear a lot of different hats.

And, you know, the joy of the whole job is actually getting to Sunday or Monday or Thursday and whatever and getting to the game, you know, and getting in the middle of that. You understand the stress and the pressure that comes with that and the decisions that have to be made. But, you know, you trust the process. You trust your preparation and all those things. But there's just so much. And I was very blessed, A.J., because I had a great staff, you know, especially that first one with, you know, B.A., you know, running the offense, and Greg Minuski, you know, defensive coordinator.

And, you know, so we had a great Coach Clyde, we know. But you hired – Chuck, sorry to cut you off. You hired those guys as well how do you know like when you are hiring your staff that's a gigantic thing that you have to have good assistance how do you know because you have all these relationships how do you not just give it to your buddies that you said oh 15 years ago when you guys were GAs or something yeah I'll bring you along if I get a head gig like how do you find the good mix of people you know and then bring in some new outside voices yeah Yeah, that's a great question.

And it's certainly a huge piece and part of the puzzle to being successful is surrounding yourself with guys that know the game. And it'd be real easy, you know, because you coach for 28 years. I'd been assistant coach for 28 years before I got my first opportunity to be a head coach. And so obviously there's a ton of relationships and and knew a bunch of guys and coached with a bunch of great guys and a lot of times you know like i wanted to bring a couple guys from baltimore you know with me but they were under contract and as you know if you're under contract even if it's an elevated position like you're a position coach say you coach uh tight ends or wide receivers and and you know i wanted to bring a guy as the

offensive coordinator well that other team you know balt wanted to bring a guy as the offensive coordinator. Well, that other team, you know, Baltimore, they don't have to, they don't have to, you know, do, you know, allow you to do that. They don't let them go. If you sign a contract, you're tied to that team, you know, and a lot of teams don't let good, obviously don't let good coaches go. But again, it'd be really easy to hire a bunch of your friends, but sometimes, you know, a bunch of your great friends aren't the best coaches.

So there's a balance there. you need a good a good mix of that and um uh you know just hope it hope it all works out at the end you know hey you got you ended up with ba as the offense coordinator which hindsight ended up being perfect but he was just let go by the steelers right he was about to retire was that a true story because I remember you telling that one time in a team meeting I think you were chatting and uh hey cuz or whatever the conversation went with BA how did that end up happening because obviously that changed his career mightily to where he is now that moment now he probably would have had success or whatever he would have done but since somebody else in Baltimore wasn't able to come is that why BA was thought about and it just so happened to be perfect timing there all the above you know

him and the Steelers had just parted ways and that position was open and BA and I coached together at the Browns 2001 through 2004 and so I obviously knew the pedigree and a great great coach and a great man all that stuff but yeah he was he was he was in a pickup truck with his with his wife, Chris, and they were just driving back to Pittsburgh. They had just took a load of stuff down to the lake house down there in Georgia. And so he's on his way back when he picked up the phone. And I said, you know, you know, I always called everybody because it's what's up, cuz? He's like, hey, cuz, what's up cuz he's like hey cuz what's up cuz how you doing man congratulations on that gig and uh and so we started talking i said well you are you retired

and he goes depends on what you're talking about obviously bruce is very very bright guy and and uh he got to coach peyton manning back in 1998 when peyton became a colt and was you know number one pick and all that stuff and so he knew we uh we had the number one pick, and Andrew was going to be the guy. So it wasn't hard twisting the B.A.'s arm to come to be the, you know, the offensive coordinator. But, yeah, we flew him in the next day. It wasn't much of an interview. It was just like, hey, will you come?

Will you take a leap of faith and be the guy here, you know, to run this offense? And very, very fortunate you know that he was available he was on the street and he came to indy and the rest is the rest is history i mean nobody could predict it could have predicted what was going to transpire you know six months after we all got together uh you know in uh in indy you know with, with that whole deal and that whole season. And so happy for Bruce that the way that worked out, you know, because here's a guy that should have been a head coach long before, long before I ever got an opportunity, and it just never happened.

And so to see him, you know, get that opportunity in Arizona and see him have the success now. I mean, it's just a testament to the man and the coach that B.A. is. Yeah, just love the guy like everybody else. And I know you're – listen, Chuck is telling this story as of what happened, not acting as if Bruce needed this. Bruce's resume by the time he got to Indianapolis was already Hall of Fame. I mean, this is legend of the game. We just got really lucky, I guess, with the timing of Pittsburgh running his ass out of town.

Wow. Wow. Interesting. Unbelievable. Hey, so, you know, Pat, you know, like, we were playing in the AFC Championship game at Baltimore in 2011, and, you know, Flacco, we're down, you know flacco we're down you know three point flacco hits lee evans on what we thought was going to be a would-be touchdown catch right and the d-back knocked it

out at the last second yeah and then billy billy cundon thought it was third down and it was really fourth down and so his whole process was all jacked up so he ran out there and he shanked that kick right we missed that that tying kick to possibly go to overtime. Because if we go to overtime, we end up winning that game, I don't even get to talk to Andy. Because how the rules were, I would have been another two weeks, you know, preparation for the Super Bowl. So, like B.A. being on the street, I mean, the Stars had the lineup

absolutely perfect for me to end up even getting to talk to andy you know and have an opportunity to become the coach and then get in ba uh aj i apologize for like three straight here but this is also fascinating to me why do you think and you mentioned it about how ba it took forever for him to get a job and you it took you 28 years or whatever to become a head coach why do you think there's a lot and this is happening in college football as well why do you think names get recycled at the same positions, you think? Now, granted, obviously the McVay effect has changed it a little bit, but if those fail, normally the same names kind of get back in there.

Is it because it's just an incredibly difficult position and you have to have experience there? Do you think owners just kind of follow other people's thoughts and example? They don't want to make a mistake? What do you think it is? Why do you think it took so long for you, for for you for BA and for many other coaches to finally get an opportunity to be a head coach when so many failures can continue to kind of get their opportunities it's being at the right place at the right time and and kind of being hot if you will

you know because we've seen guys get hot you know be on teams uh you know winning records developing offenses defense whatever that is. And I just have to be at the right place at the right time. And maybe like all these guys that are having these opportunities, it is the next Sean McVay, the next. Cuz we're like in a cycle where it's mostly offensive guys, quarterback whisperer guys, guru guys like that. And so to me it was just timing and againA. should have had an opportunity way sooner,

but the stars just didn't line up right. And it's just a connection. You know, it's somebody at a different team, you know, and the powers that be, you know, agents. Oh, no. Here's the next list of guys. Are we good? Are we good? Hey, we're going to call you back. We're going next list of guys. Are we good? Are we good?

Hey, we're going to call you back. We're going to call you back. Zito just said we're going to call you back. He's in Vegas, this guy. Oh, that's right. Oh, yeah. Is Tina playing the slots? Yeah, for sure.

And he was just there, too, by the way. He sprinted out of the casino to come have this fucking conversation. He is not happy, I don't think. At the beginning, you know, I was kind of like, ah. I was on a heater. Now I'm up here doing this thing. But he's on happy i don't think at the beginning you know it's kind of like yeah i was on a heater now i'm up here doing this thing but he's on that hotel internet it only give you 15 minutes i don't expect everybody to be on it too long they ask you to pay for it but then whenever you actually try to use it only comes in spurts or whatever welcome back las vegas chuck hey hey so so where we're at is um i don't know where I got cut off at, but I apologize for that.

But these guys have a list of names. There's the agents, this, that, and the other. So there's a group of names every year, mostly from teams that are winning. There'll be Vance Joseph, the coordinator for Arizona. His name may come back up in their nine and two or whatever. They're hot. Their defense is a top five defense in the league. So he's going to be one of those guys. One of those names, Eric Bien-Ami from the Chiefs his name is always there you know

it's just and it's about uh you know timing being at the right place at the right time and having a connection and uh you know with a certain team like like with VA you know we end up having that year that we had and he got to you know be at the helm for those 12 weeks and did a phenomenal job, obviously, going 9-3 with that team that we had. Wasn't supposed to win a game. 32 out of 32, right, Pat, in the power rankings. And so then he goes to Chicago, and Chicago should have hired him. The biggest mistake that they ever made was not hiring B.A. And I think they hired – who did they hire, Trestman?

Well, Trestman was a genius. CFL, the Grey Cups. They hired Trestman, and they had a chance to hire B.A. And then all of a sudden, you know, Arizona's looking for a coach, and it's like, holy crap, look at what we just, you know, dropped into our lap. And it gets the arizona it gets the arizona job so timing timing is there you know these these offensive defensive coordinators sometimes a special teams guy we've seen that happen obviously harbaugh's kind of paid the way for all those guys but you know it's getting you know being at the right place right time a hot

team and then once you get in front of that owner and you get in front of that that leadership group who's making you know the choices it's just about a connection you know jim and i had a connection ryan i had a connection for whatever reason and i when they called me the next day because i flew home on that plane i was there three hours you know and then they flew me back home and i hadn't even slept since the the loss to you know new england and that afc championship game i said open a bottle of wine to you there's no chance we're getting that job. But we're stripping it from Baltimore, which was great, because we had a great team,

and they won the championship the next year, you know, the World Championship. But I woke up, you know, like six, seven in the morning, I looked at my phone, I had three missed calls from Mr. Ursay, and I'm like, oh shit, I blew this. I got drunk on a bottle of wine, and I missed Mr. Irsay's call. Then he called the next day, and we talked for about an hour, he offered me the job, and then I said, I got to talk to my wife, you know, on those deals. So I called Tina, and I said, hey look, Jim just called me. Yeah?

And I go, he offered me the job. Oh, go fuck yourself. There's no way he just offered me the job. Don't you lie to me. She's awesome. I said, no, I'm serious. And she said, what did you tell him? I said, I needed to talk to you.

And she goes, Jesus Christ. Call him back before he changes his mind. She's awesome. It was great getting to chat with her this weekend, too. Go ahead, before he changes his finger. She's awesome. It was great getting to chat with her this weekend, too. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry about that. That's amazing, Coach. Now, all these college coaches, I shouldn't say all of them, but there's a good chunk of these college coaches getting these

long-term deals, $9,500 million. Do you think we could see over the next couple years any NFL coaches making the jump back to college because the money is so big. Yeah, obviously that definitely can happen. I just think it's crazy, you know, the money that they're throwing around right now. I mean, it's absolutely crazy.

It's just boosters, right? The school doesn't have to raise it. It's just boosters that are paying these contracts, isn't it? No, because everybody's getting paid now with NIL, you know, name, image, likeness. The players, you know, athletes, student athletes are getting paid. They're coming up with all this money for these coaches. And I know for a fact, like, USC needed to do something huge. They had to make a splash higher.

And so when you go looking for one of these dudes and you try to pull them from an ou or pull them from a notre dame it's like okay mel tucker he set the bar michigan state set the bar when lsu came flirting around or his agent said hey look you know lsu's flirting around with possibility of melt well no we ain't gonna let that happen so they give them a 10-year 95 million dollar contract so boom all right. Now everything's out the back. And so now it's like Lincoln Riley says, okay, we need facilities. We need this. We need that. Bah, bah, bah.

Here's the contract. And the next thing you know, they get with their group of boosters, you know, at Southern Cal. And they say, hey, we need $120 million. We need a $6 million home. We're going to buy his home in Oklahoma. Two of them. And we need a jet that he's got access to 24-7. And one of those boosters is like, oh, fuck.

We got a couple of them. We can get Lincoln Riley. And so Lincoln Riley's resume, obviously, just because of time, you know, Mel was at Michigan State for a year, and God bless him, I want everybody to make as much money, players, coaches, that you possibly can, I don't give a crap, I am, I'm jealous as hell, I wish I was still coaching, you know, and had a possibility at one of these deals, but, you know, I was blessed and have enough, but, yeah, he set the tone, and he's been there one year. And now Lincoln Riley's got – at least he's got a bunch of, you know,

what is it, the Big Ten, the Big 12, whatever the conference. I don't even know what conference they're in anymore. Oh, geez. He's got a resume, obviously, that is more than deserving. And so Notre Dame, they've got to make a splash higher. You know, they couldn't just go hire another, you know, whoever. They had to make a splash higher. You know, they couldn't just go hire another, you know, whoever. They had to make a splash higher. And so Booster said, okay, if you can get Lincoln Riley,

we'll get a group together and we'll come up with this money to pay these guys. It's only going to grow. It's only going to grow, by the way. Think about Pitt. The guy paid how much? $25 million just to get his name in front of the head coaching title and said, fucking use it however you want. Like that's what boosters do.

It's insane. It's insane because some of these venture capitalists have infinity amounts of money. Like that is a, that's an actual thing that is happening right now in the world we're in. There's people that have access to billions and billions. And they're not just the Bezoses and the billionaires,

you know, there are these venture capitalist funds and things that people, I mean, there is so much money out there so much money and so and so like with the nfl you know you saw that deal today on pff they're talking about in the next couple years of the guy making 25 mil you know annually you know in the national football league so i mean that's that's right around the corner and and for for an an organization and an owner to be able to get a Bill Belichick, like to me, there's eight dudes in the league right now, you know, that you would actually give, I think, $25 million to. You know, Belichick leading that list, a John Harbaugh, a Mike Tomlin,

you know, Pete, I don't know if Pete wants to still coach, but Pete's won a Super Bowl. Andy Reid. There's a group of guys there. We'll let the last three just be up forever. You don't have to give the last three. We'll let other people decide what the last three are. Bruce Arians, Sean Payton. I mean, those guys. Only one left. Sirianni?

Ron Rivera. McVay. Riverboat, Ron. I mean, those guys are all going to be, because as soon as it happens to one guy. Well, now, Cliff, I mean, there's some young coaches. There's some young coaches, you know, Sean McVay, Cliff King, but the jury's still out.

Their resume is like those others. You're right. A lot of people have been around a lot longer in the men's league having success. Speaking of having success, you guys hot in the casino down there or what? Tina's on fire. Right now? Like right now? Like actually active you guys hot in the casino down there or what? Tina's on fire. Right now? Like right now?

Like actually active right now down in the lobby? Yeah. It's quiet time. She calls it morning gambling. She's down there hunting right now. She is awesome. Go ahead, Ty.

Coach, how would you address a team like in the NFL, one of these teams who they're still in the playoff hunt? They're six and six, but like one week they look like world beaters and the next week they just look like they stink. Like how hard is it to actually ride that wave when there is so much like left to be done in the NFL in terms of a lot of teams can still make the playoffs? Yeah, I mean, I would just I would just go before him and say, look, it's anybody's ballgame right now. Like you asked me to talk to these teams, I'd say like the Colts,

I'd say you may think I'm blowing smoke up your asses, but you guys can win this whole freaking thing. And it just comes down to execution and consistency and getting off that roller coaster. But it's anybody's ballgame. I mean, you look at it, there's 13 out of the 16 teams in the AFC that are right there. I mean, you've got your four division leaders and then your fifth, sixth, seventh seeds and all that. And then the NFC, there's, I think, eight or nine,

and the rest of those guys aren't trending in the right direction to me. I think eight or nine and the rest of those guys aren't trending in the right direction to me. So, uh, yeah, I think it's anybody, I think it's anybody's ball game, you know, this year. And it's about finding, finding your groove. You know, some of these teams you look at like new England, they've obviously found an identity. They found a young quarterback, Josh McDaniels is, um, you know, he should get another opportunity in my opinion, uh,

to go lead a program if he wants to go lead a program. But the job that he's done with Mac Jones, you know, top five in offense, top five in defense, they're taking the ball away at a high, high rate. I mean, somebody's going to catch fire like that, and it's just about being consistent and just believing and knowing that, hey, look, if we go do the little things right and we play great situational football and we don't turn the thing over and we don't beat ourselves,

you guys have said it a thousand times, you lose games in the National Football League. You don't win them. Just don't beat yourself. Just play good football. Stay away from the sins. Remember we used to talk about sins. Self-inflicted negatives. Negatives.

You know, stay away from the sins. You know, and we'll have a chance. And then, you know, you get into the tournament this year, and you're a little bit hot. I mean, it looked like the Eagles were, like you mentioned, Sirianni, and we all laughed, but they were rolling. They found an identity, and they finally listened to somebody and said, hey, run the ball, right?

So they started running the hell out of the ball. And, my God, that was a good-looking football team. But then, you know, whatever happens, happens, and you go lose a game to the Giants, and you're right back in the ball. And, my God, that was a good-looking football team. But then, you know, whatever happens, happens, and you go lose a game to the Giants, and you're right back in the toilet. Yeah, Giants stink. Anyway. Hey, Chuck, if you do take over a team, like I say, you become a head coach or anyone does,

and you want to bring your culture and kind of build your brand of what the team's going to be, is there a certain amount of time you need to kind of instill that? Yeah, but you don't get it anymore. Yeah. That's what's unfortunate right now. You need a couple years? Yeah, absolutely.

You need a couple draft class. You need a couple years because you can go like college. You go the easy route and say, hey, look, I'm going to just go JUCO, go recruit a bunch of junior college, get a bunch of J.B. dudes from junior college and bring those guys in for quick fixes, but it's not long-term. You can't build a program that's consistent and win at a level like New England does. So these teams that you do need time, you need a couple years, you need a couple draft classes.

These new coordinators in the league, like Pittsburgh has a new coordinator a new coordinator this year right offensively canada canada right uh shane waldron up in seattle i mean you got two hall of fame quarterbacks i think at both these places you know getting up there in a just sat in the other but that takes time you know and but the problem is is that you know we live in the you know burger burger king uh society mentality i want it now and i want it my way you know and you don't you don't you know i mean players want it that way coaches you know owners we everybody wants it that way but you don't get the time and and uh it's like college when i spent 17 years in college and you you need you know four or five recruiting classes.

And you have to go through some growing pains to build that program. Because the foundation has to be built on rock and not sand. Because there's going to be storms. And really, administration, you just don't get the time anymore. They just don't give you the time anymore. You've got to win and win now. Celebrity impressions. I wish you had more time.

Go ahead, Diggs. Coach, when you're hired as a DC and then to the head coach, did you feel more pressure to have your defense perform versus the offensive side of the ball because that's where you came from? No doubt about it. Yeah, no, this is a defensive guy blah blah blah and that's what we're going to bring in and so it was like hey we got ba offense is going to be spectacular we got the quarterback whisperer for for andrew luck and all that stuff and and coach clyde but

yeah no you feel you feel the pressure of of being able to and that's why you know greg minoski was a defensive coordinator when I first got there. Legend. Legend. Great, great, great dude. Legend. Legend, yeah. He was a great dude and a great football coach and a great football mind. And we come from similar backgrounds schematically and things like that. So, yeah, it was really important because I think the expectation from everybody is, hey, this is a defensive guy. Whether you're an offensive guy or whatever, we're going to roll on that side of the ball.

Let's just hope the others, you know, work out. So the expectation is always there. Minoski's classic. He had his handball mustache at some times. He, I don't remember, did he, in my head, in my immediate thought is he would have an entire 10. Is that wrong? Did he, was he?

No, he wasn't a dipper was he i don't remember yeah yeah yeah yeah i thought so and then he had these shit kickers too he wore whenever we traveled i fucking love that guy i and then people would share stories about him to me about whenever he was younger he is is he still coaching i hope the league still has greg minoski somewhere he has to be somewhere, right? He's at Kentucky. He's at Kentucky? He's an analyst down there at Kentucky. You remember Brad White?

Yeah. Defensive line, right? D-line. He was the outside linebacker coach. He came as quality control to any outside linebackers at the end there. Good dude. Yeah, down at Kentucky now is the defensive coordinator, Minoski, down there as an analyst.

Legend. A man's man, you know? Yeah, absolutely. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Coach, is that same head coach expectation the reason Frank Reich throws the ball 44 times when he's up by 10 and has Jonathan Taylor in the backfield and doesn't just hand it off to him? Hey, we were in that building, dude.

We were in that building. Everybody was wondering why the fuck we're not running the ball right now. Frank had a long answer, though, that made a lot of sense. I didn't see it. I didn't watch his presser. I got to go back. I just know everybody was screaming, you know, run the damn ball. Yeah.

So, yeah, I don't. And, again, you know, he broke a couple runs here and there. And, you know, early on, it looks like you're running right broke a couple runs here and there, and, you know, early on, it looks like you're running right into a brick wall with Vita Bay in there and this, that, and the other, and sometimes you're like, you just abandon it and maybe abandon it too early, but there's no mulligans.

You don't get any do-overs, you know, so. Yeah, he said, you know, he said he actually wished we would have wanted to throw earlier because we're having so much success with it, which, by the way, makes sense as a play caller, a man who studies 15 hours of film every single day to decide what they're going to do. And Vita Vea and Sue are massive.

And we saw Vita Vea just literally eat a helmet and not even care. I mean, that is a tough thing to go. But you've got a potential MVP in the backfield. Those decisions are why head coaches and offensive play callers are play callers, and I am not. We can't thank you enough for joining us and spilling your brain into our program. Appreciate you guys. Hey, tell Tina to keep kicking ass over there.

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burr monday morning podcast so many incredible stand-up specials ladies and gentlemen bill burr hey what's going on? Jesus Christ, I look like the Crypt Keeper here. Yeah, you look pretty pale. Pretty, pretty pale, Bill. All right, with your stupid sleeveless t-shirt, your guns out, compensating

because you were just a kicker. Whoa! No, no. It's because I got it. You're tough for a kicker. I got it. That means a lot. It actually means aer. I got it. I got it. That means a lot. It actually means a lot. I appreciate that.

And if we could let everybody else know that. I'll tell you this. You're funnier than most comics I know. Hey, I'm fucking putting that on the epitaph, dude, for sure. We appreciate you joining us, Bill. You're the man. I've always been a big fan, as has AJ, everybody like that. Boston guy.

We'll start with sports, and then I would like to dive into your... Suburbs. Suburbs of Boston. I always got to clarify that. Boston guy. We'll start with sports, and then I would like to dive into your... Suburbs. Suburbs of Boston. I always got to clarify that. I was not in Goodwill hunting. I wasn't stealing cars. I was playing hockey in a cul-de-sac with a pie cooling on a windowsill.

Okay. All right. So in the suburbs of Boston in a beautiful neighborhood, Bill Burr, you're a big Bruins fan. Is that your team? Patriots as well.

You love all Boston teams, or is there one more so than the other? Probably it's a fight between the Bruins and the Patriots, but I think it might be the Bruins. Well, the Bruins stink. You know, Penguins are going to win that entire thing. I mean, that's the only team I'm like a fan of, actually, is the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Patriots are always good.

Is that because they have Ulf Samuelsson in their ring of honor? Hell yeah. You know, when I think of honorable players, I think of Ulf Samuelsson. That's why Penguin fans are so frigging annoying. It's like if you're going to have Ulf Samuelsson in your ring of honor, I don't want to hear you whining when Sid takes a cross check to the teeth. I mean, you should

put that guy in your ring of honor. He's playing like Ulf. Jeez, you're an animal. I love the fact that you have never changed, it seems like, Bill. Is that an accurate assessment? How has that happened? You're like one of the only people... i've heard you talking about i lost my hair well the appearance and the pale skin i don't know if you've gotten paler somehow throughout your days but you've

never changed it seems like how have you been able to do that and especially in the world that you're in with the things you talk about how how has that happened you think uh low self-esteem no self-worth you know always feeling like you're you're not you know next week you're not going to be here it has nothing to do with that i was raised right it's just it's a healthy level of hating yourself hey how do you but you're a legit actor now bill like you you are in big time movies how do you do that when you get on screen i would imagine it's a little bit out of your comfort zone like how does that feel oh yeah i was out of my comfort zone for a while but i just the stand-up was out of my comfort zone in the beginning so i just the um the sort of tricks that i learned

to get myself and free myself up as a comedian i just started doing with uh with acting and it took me longer with acting just because uh you know acting's a real hard game to get into is all i can tell you even if you're taking an acting class it's like once a week and you get up and you get to do it once maybe you rehearsed a couple times but um you know if you get on like a show what really helped my acting more so than anything this wouldn't even make sense was doing f is for family and doing voiceover work and that's when you know when i the first season of f is for family they all right give me three line reads and i was literally that guy from jiminy glick like up and adam up and adam i would just do it three the same way and then I started to learn

oh I can put my inflection on this word. I can say it this word. I can make this choice and once I got the skills to do voiceovers three different ways that kind of bled into my acting and

yeah and then I don't know why I keep lucking out that really super talented people, you know, write these amazing shows. And I come in for like an episode or two. I was I did like three or four sketches on Chappelle's show. Three or four episodes of Breaking Bad. Couple episodes of The Mandalorian. I mean, I have no business being on those shows, and I'm not good enough to create them, but somehow I parrot troop into them, you know,

and I get a little bit of, you know, everybody else, what they're doing, somehow people think I'm a part of it, and I'm really just saying what they wrote. Well, you say it in a beautiful fashion. I think a lot of fans of yours from your stand-up and following you get incredibly pumped for you when you get these opportunities, like in the mandalorian i mean who would have thought i mean that's awesome like we all get very excited for you but i feel like with comedians kevin hart's doing it chapelle has had some serious roles but even in the past making the turn to the serious acting i don't

want to say looks easy i guess it's not with the way you're describing it but why do you think some comedians have that ability to go to drama so he's's Kevin Hart right now is in the middle of some like really serious shit as are you. And then you still have the incredible comedy ability, but why do you think those two are like a crossover? Oh, why, why comedians can do like dramatic stuff? Well, I mean, first of all, it's maybe harder for comedians, uh uh to get that stuff because they just look at you like you know they the first thing they see you is doing stand-up oh this guy's hilarious i want to you know she's hilarious let's get her in a rom-com or something like that so

i think uh what i've what i've always found is that quality will get you there so if you you know with your acting stuff like you just have to go for something that looks like it's really written well, the people really know what they're doing, and there's a really good story there. And then you look at the money last. And the money will come, but you got to kind of make like, I'm hoping it will, eventually, like, you got to, like, you got to go for quality. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, I guess in your business, it would be like, you know, jumping on the free agent team versus something that, you know, you have a good coach, a good GM, a good owner.

The whole thing is there. I think that that's why, you know, the patriots had the success that they had because they were hitting on all three of those you know where the colts weren't all right oh yeah all right fuck off all right where you had you had an ambulance chaser for an owner oh jesus who was conducting his own investigation for some reason we're being upheld by the commissioner, which is one of the most... I mean, that looked like an episode of Dukes of Hazzard. Well, listen, who did that report?

He did everything but put fake fire hydrants outside his gym. No, Jim! Writing tickets. No, Jim wouldn't have done that. I hope that's in the Man in the Arena, by the way. I'm excited to see Tom cover that side of the whole thing. I hope it's in there. Have you been watching that?

I don't watch anything. I watch sports and then that's it. And I just, I really just, I got to be honest with you. There's such an overwhelming amount of great stuff out there. And it's just, I just, I can't deal with it. I get on Netflix. It's like, I want to watch all of this. So do you stay unplugged?

Do you stay unplugged to everything? I've seen you give an answer about getting canceled or something. And you said, like, by who? If you don't get on the internet, like, who cancels you? And that was one of the most profound things I've ever heard in my entire life, which I'm sure you hear all the time. I mean, I'm sure that is something you hear all the time. It's real, though.

Yeah, I mean, well, they say somebody's canceled, and then they put their name up at a club, and they sell out. So, like, what is that? They're not, like, you've been canceled. Like, they speak for everybody, and they don't, you know? And, you know, I mean, I could, like, talk about some names, but I don't want to know, and, you know, I mean, I could like talk about some names, but I don't want to get like shit going again for people, but like, it's just not the case. And I have to be honest with you, like

living in LA or living in New York in show business is no different than living in a small town in the middle of nowhere. You have a, a very slanted perspective and you have to go out and New York City are out of their mind. And there's a reason why New York City and L.A. thinks that red states are just flyover states and you can blow them all off. It's because they don't interact. And neither side knows what the hell they're talking about. The amount of people that shit on Hollywood and have never been out there is the same number of people that make fun of Des Moines, Iowa that have never been there. Des Moines is beautiful. Des Moines is a beautiful place. Not in February. That's when I used to do all my college gigs. That's when I finally understood

Slipknot. I was like, how the hell did they get so damn angry out in this beautiful country out here? And then I had a college gig in like February and all the crops were cut down and it was overcast gray. Just meeting this. I felt like I was on the moon. I would say that was just the bleakness and just the endless, the thing of it. It was like, uh, yeah, it was like, I was like, wow, man man this must get like like what you would have to do to to get the blood going out here man it's just like i mean that is like that's like you got to

be tough oh yeah to live out there so i mean that's that's something um i don't know just being a comedian the great thing about being a comedian if you play all markets if you don't give yourself a cupcake schedule and just go out to where your act is going to work and I've got to be honest with you, a lot of these places you think you don't want to go, they're easy gigs because you get to play the easiest thing ever, fish out of water. I'm from here. I've never seen anything like this.

At the end, you had to dump on them again. There was a lot of build up and then you had to shit on them there at the end. That's classic. Hey, Bill. Sit on him. I was making fun of myself. I was making fun of how

you could play fish out of water. Oh, you're the idiot. Oh, yeah. Yes. Oh, okay. You know, I'm from New York City. I'm coming out here

and seeing all this cattle. It's like some cheeky, there's no really even a joke there. They just, yeah. Hey, Bill, I wanted to mention your podcast is awesome. I's no really even a joke there. They just cheeky. Bill, I wanted to mention your podcast is awesome.

I've been listening for a long time. Some of your greatest things come during your live reads, your live ad reads. You have some Sherry's Berries ads from back in the day that are all time. I would like to listen to again at times. I feel like you were one of the first to kind of have fun with ad reads. Did you ever get any pushback from those companies? State Farm or anything? Yes, and I never take the phone call. The running joke is Bill is not available.

So what they don't understand is that if I just do a straight read, I mean, it's a podcast. You can just plow forward. So I always looked at it like just because I'm doing advertising, the show doesn't stop. Because I need you to listen to these ad reads if they're going to keep advertising. So the people that advertise have to have a thicker skin. That, you know, we got like something.

Me and Verzi do something on the Anything Better. There's some sort of thing like if you're having problems having an erection. oh yeah they send you they yeah and they send you this thing and they go it's an unmarked package oh you're discreet so like the joe yeah yeah his dick doesn't work you just you throw that in there that keeps people laughing and listening and they'll listen to the advertising and then you know if they need it they'll buy some yeah yeah some reason some certain companies don't understand that like there was there was one called uh nature box and i was for some reason misreading it as nature's box like possessive so i go oh, oh, geez, they're talking about Mother Nature's clam. Right. Well, look at this. You guys are all laughing, and you're

going to listen to the whole thing and possibly get it. They did not see it that way. We had to agree to disagree. We had a couple of those. State Farm was on one show. It was awesome. And we appreciate you trailblazing. The bill is not available.

It works because you're Bill Burr. It doesn't necessarily work for us. I do see the emails, and they are not exactly thrilled with everybody's input. Half those people, they're just justifying their death. Oh, no shit. I mean, we could go in on this bill if we wanted to. We do not have enough time. These motherfuckers are the worst.

They're stupid. They're the fucking worst, Bill. They are the worst. I mean, it is. I mean, you could go in on this, Bill, if we wanted to. We do not have enough time. These motherfuckers are the worst. They're stupid. They're the fucking worst, Bill. They are the worst. I mean, it is. I mean, you're a trailblazer. If they would just understand how dumb our audiences are, they would just let us do what we do. Yeah, well, anybody should let you do what you do.

And which leads me to this. You and Chappelle, at a very interesting time, I think, in stand-up comedy in the world felt like with his sticks and stones in your paper tiger release kind of back and forth it was almost like a shot i feel like at the entire state of the world did you guys have a conversation about that did you know that that's what you were going to do it was almost like you guys had to like and you're the only two that could do it to say like hey this is how that's all of that none of that is true we have no conversation and everybody can do it this is a time

to be irreverent and it's also a time to be empathetic and you have to know how to do both and these these people that are on the extreme right and left, I think only represent about 15% of the population. And anytime you're hardcore or extreme, you inevitably become intolerant. So I just feel like 85% of the country on the right and the left is kind of sitting there like, when are dad and mom going to stop screaming at each other? And the thing is is i don't do anything in my act that's malicious i'm not going out there to hurt anybody but like i also have the right to say whatever i want to say and say it the way i want to say it and that's it

i'm not saying that i i ever haven't made mistakes i mean there's times i've i've you know pissed somebody off or made somebody cry, and if they come up and they have a legitimate thing, then I'll apologize to them. But I'm not apologizing to a bunch of fucking people because I told a joke that they weren't at.

I told a joke at a show you weren't at. Like, alright, so, like, how is that my fault? But then I understand I guess with, like, listen, I never had anything like all right so like how is that my fault but then i understand i guess with like a uh like listen i never had anything like dave had dave had basically the comedy cuban missile crisis for like like 10 days of you know whatever that was but like i think comedians are easy targets whereas you know they don't um there's a whole bunch of stuff that went on that they that barely got any coverage.

Pharmaceutical companies came up with synthetic heroin. How many people did they basically murder? Murdered them. But they advertise on these big news corporation channels. So they're not going to get in trouble. Comedians don't advertise. So I do a Caitlyn Jenner joke in a strip mall and they act like the frigging sky is high. Yeah, I could see how that...

It's safe outrage. It's 100% safe. They're not going to talk about that swirl of trash out in the ocean. They're not going to talk about banks and all companies running our foreign policy. They're not going to make fun of the NFL acting like they're being patriotic

while they're charging that branch of the military for a commercial. But if I'm at the game and I don't take my hat off, oh, you're one patriotic, it's like you're making money off of these people. Oh, you got me on a rant here. So Bill, you're saying it's interesting what people pick and choose to be openly outraged about. Aren't they virtue signaling, Bill? Trying to say, like, hey, I'm better than this person? Grandstand.

I don't use any of those sayings. Social justice warrior, virtue signaling, any of that. No, I just think that it's – no, I don't think that people that do stuff like that, they don't believe that stuff but I just feel like the level of coverage that it gets. It's, I always compare it to like a tornado just came and blew down your house and your focus is

we need a new toaster. Okay? It's not like we don't need a new toaster but shouldn't we build the fucking house here? First? Before we start talking about appliances? Yeah. Like the sleep on the roof. It was like 130 degrees a new toaster, but shouldn't we build the fucking house here? First, before we talk about appliances. Like the sleep on the roof. It was like 130 degrees out in like half a dozen cities.

That's literally too hot to go outside. We have to fucking do something and we're going to spend our time flipping out about stand-up specials. Alright, I mean you can do that. I don't think that, you know you know hey you haven't spent much time thinking about this huh not at all this is all just right off the cuff huh i mean basically

yeah it's that much common sense because i'm in it i mean you're sitting there you're the one who's sitting there did you and dave call each other before your specials and saying we're gonna do i mean the yeah that's real though hey that's real typical fucking indianapolis look i'm not from here he's gonna try to get me suspended now cancel cancel cancel indefinitely is what will be the word no but it was as an outsider looking in as big fans of all of you and i know i think it was the comedy store right the comedy store is where you all were hanging out there for a while it looked like the best place of all time it was like chapelle you rogan heart they were like hanging out with kreischer sagor it was like

all the comedians basically that you ever hear of were getting but was that the place comedy store and i think like the specials oh jesus jesus christ the specials yeah it was very special maybe drool the specials came out after that so i thought there was like a potential you know like hey we're the only ones that could do this and netflix i mean i mean they're like hey here you go you guys can do whatever that's been great support by them but that's why i thought that it wasn't like i'm reading into the headlines that you two are trying to take down the fucking world, dude. No way. No way. Yeah, I know.

That was just everything that people always attach to it. But like Ted Sarandos has been huge. And for everybody. He's been huge for everybody. He has stood by everybody. If he signs on to do your special, that guy, no matter where you're at, he stands by everybody. And I feel like there needs to be, you know, I'm very thankful that that guy is wired the way that he is wired. Because I really feel like people going around and telling comics what they can and can't joke about. I mean, the amount of people who do that who aren't even funny is hilarious to me.

That would be like somebody tone deaf telling a musician what notes they can and can't play. It's like, can you even write a song? How do you think he's able to do that? The next time somebody says that to me, I go, you know what? Do me a favor. Tell me a joke. I want to gauge what level funny you are to see if I should actually listen to your constructive criticism of my shit jokes. That's awesome.

How is he able? How can he stand up though? Ted surrenders. He runs Netflix. How is he able to stand up? There's other people that probably want to, but they feel pressure and they can't. Or they won't.

They don't have advertising. They don't have advertising. don't have advertising you know people get like offended and then it's it's it's a it's a like it feels like it's a uh very plotted out getting offended you get offended you say you're offended and then you go after advertisers and you try to pressure and bully them it's kind of funny They kind of do what they say they're against. And, you know, there's, listen, there was a lot of horrible people and they got rid of a lot of bad people and that type of stuff. But they also went after a lot of people and they ruined people's lives that didn't necessarily even do anything. And, you know, I thought I felt like

the whole, you know, a lot of it was really sexist it kind of became this narrative that like uh if there's something toxic going on it's only being done by a guy and that somehow women i guess we're just all like there's no psycho sociopath like women out there that are in positions of power abusing it it's just like you know just generally speaking hey Bill when you say so and the whole thing is just like the whole thing if you just look at it is so fucking ridiculous but it's like most things it started off with what it was trying to achieve and is trying to achieve I don't think anybody disagrees with but when you just put a blindfold on and start swinging a sickle, I mean, it's like, whoa, hey, what are we doing here?

I think life is cyclical, though. I think there is people that are on the same side as you, although it is maybe taking a very, very long time. Some people are like, OK, let's not get you know, because I think we got to be a little bit more guided in who we attack. I think there's a lot more people on that side, to your point about the 15 percent. And somebody attacks should be allowed to defend themselves. And people should be allowed to support who they want. Like, the extreme people in that, I don't like to listen to them any more than the mouth breathers on the other side. Like, yeah, fuck cancel culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't want to listen to that idiot either. Yeah, me neither. Because more often than not, he's basically saying, I'd like to be able to continue dropping the N-word wherever I want. Like, that's his idea of fuck cancel culture. Because I kind of do a joke in my act, like when I'm fucking around, if I get too many white guys in the crowd going like, yeah, all right. I start going, all right. I know what that is.

I don't know what you're hearing, but I'm not saying it like that. Classic. I think that is why you have so many fans, by the way, because anybody can get it from you. And I think that is just kind of lost on society, because once they hear you attack one person or say something that's very true in a hilarious fashion, clever fashion that took time to

execute they're like oh i hate this person forever it's like well wait if you stick around i think he's gonna bury somebody that you don't like either if you just wait a little bit there's gonna come and go and that's why but that narrative that it's gone is once again it's it's not this is a whole this the sky is falling period that we're in it's just like my act works when I go out there and it isn't like I'm teaching anybody. Hey, how about Philadelphia? Philadelphia still work whenever you go to,

do you ever go back to Philly? You know, after the three minutes, what's funny about Phil Philly does that to somebody every six weeks. So within a year and a half, they had forgotten. They'd even booed me. Everybody else remembered, but they didn't.

I remember I went to Philly the next time I went there, and I made some merchandise about the set, and nobody bought it. They're like, what is this? I was like, remember you guys booed me? They were like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You made a shirt about it? How often when you tour, are you working for new specials every single time?

Every single time you tour, is that the only purpose of touring? Is for a new special? Is that what everybody can assume? And how does that kind of work for you? No, I'm touring. I got to make some money. I got to pay for shit. And then also, hopefully, if my tour dates aren't too close together, I can keep trying to grow as a comic and try to work on some new stuff that I'm trying to do and develop.

After a while, what you should be doing is just sort of competing with whatever you did last to see if you can improve on some stuff. You know, Pat, you hit it, you know, you hit an upright. All right. All right, Bill. I get it. I get it. Did you used to hear that sound when you would lay your head down? No, listen, Ty's got a question.

It's unbelievable how loud it is. It is. It's loud. It's embarrassing. I mean, everybody's there. They see it. They hear it. And then you got two refs going, yeah, no, no.

In case you guys are wondering. Nope. That was not good, actually. I mean, it's a whole it, and then you got two refs going, yeah, no, no, in case you guys are wondering. Nope. That was not good, actually. I mean, it's a whole thing, Bill, obviously. Okay, I want to stick up for a kicker. Who? The guy in the Buffalo Bills. Oh, way back?

The guy that missed? Dude, it was a 48 fucking yarder. Everyone was acting like it was a layup. We're talking like back in the fall of the 90s back there? Yeah. Alright, I'm happy you're sticking up for this guy. It's been a long time. This guy's been taking a lot of heat, Bill. He's the fucking Steve

Bartman of field goal kickers. He got screwed. He wasn't nervous. He wasn't scared. It just didn't hook back in. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I don't understand. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, I don't understand. All right. I don't understand.

Go ahead, Ty. Bill, talking about your acting career at this point, do you seek out anything, or is it basically like you said, like when people who— First of all, who the fuck are you? Hey, that's Ty. Where did this come from? Did I just change shows?

Yeah, there's a crew. They've got a crew here, Bill. Ty? Do you let interns ask questions fucking sports show no he's from iowa you should talk to people from there bill is this dress down wednesdays try to sell merch here bill but no do you do you seek out anything or do you just like you know when someone like judd Apatow or something

like that, like, are you just waiting for that at this point? Like, you're not auditioning for anything, are you? Like, I mean, I know you created F is for Family, but, like, do you seek out anything? Yeah, if I see something on TV, I, um, oh, look at me, wearing the merch right here. Reservation Dogs.

Oh, is it dressed that way? That's a great hoodie. Is that a zipper? Oh, I love that. I'm in my house. You're right. I'm at work. Okay. Yeah, you're right. That's on me. All right. Next time I'll wear the... You're dressed like the guy in every coming of age movie that's dating the cheerleader and treating

her like shit. No, no, no. Different costume. Different costume. I thought I had a jacket. I don't. I don't even have something that looks better. I, you know, when you get an agent, your job is to communicate to them what you want to do. And I fortunately have a stand-up career, so I can be picky. So I don't have to do stuff if, um if you know i know i need to keep my my health insurance a lot of actors you know people will judge something what the hell was he in this piece

of shit for she was in this thing it was like because they had to keep their insurance and they got kids so they said fuck it i'll do it so um i've been lucky enough that uh you know i got a great agent picks out great stuff and um if it makes sense, if I can fit it into my schedule. And I also, another thing too, is I feel like if it's something that I can do, that's going to let me do something a little different. Because I learned with like trying to build an acting career, it's like building a wall. So you got to kind of just keep putting the bricks like this.

He's doing a comedy, doing a little drama, a little sci-fi. And then they'll see like, okay, yeah, but if you just do this comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy, then when you go, hey, I want to do this drama thing, they're like, oh, you only do it this way. So figuring that out. Hey, that's awesome to watch. Stacking bricks.

Why are you doing theater still? Like you're doing five theater shows here in Indianapolis. They'll all sell out. Every single one of them will sell out. I assume everywhere you go sells out you talk about hey when I go and do my shows on the road or everywhere do you like the theaters is that your thing I assume you'd be doing arenas at this point and I I everybody's doing arenas at this point it seems like in the comedy world because of how much I think the appreciation has grown through the quarantine thing but is that something you don't want to do?

Is it too big? Is it you like the theaters? You enjoy them? I have a couple next year, but, you know, why else, you know, what sucks is if you do an arena, first of all, you got to pay to rent the thing. So, I mean, it's quite an operation. And then secondly, like, I love Indianapolis

and I like to hang there and if i just do one giant show i just kind of go in and i leave and then i'm not going to be there again for another couple years and uh you know there's you know i have ancestors from out there you know nobody alive anymore but like you know farmlands in indiana like there's like a connection that i have out there i used to go out there as a kid in the Midwest. They don't have fraps. They have malts, which are just, I think, infinitely better.

If there's still a Bob's Big Boy out there, I'm hitting it. I don't think Bob survived COVID. I don't know if Big Boy Bob is going to survive Omicron either. But they were great. They were obviously very good. I was't know if big boy Bob is going to survive Omicron either. They were so good. Yeah, but they were great. They were obviously very good, yeah.

Yeah, I was a big fan of those. And, yeah, that's another thing, too, when I do the road is I try to book something fun around it. Like there's a Ford F100 show out in Tennessee that I've always wanted to go to, and this year I think I'm finally going to try to get out there. And, yeah, and then I'll meet all of these people that work on their own trucks. When do you ever get to do that? And then what they talk to me goes into my brain for references,

perspective, empathy, silly shit, and all of that, and it just kind of adds. If you get to a certain level and you just go hotel, arena, private jet, your act's just going to shrivel up. What's up with Louis Vuitton luggage? Yeah, yeah, yeah. private jet, you know, your ax just going to shrivel up, you know, what's up with Louis Vuitton luggage? Becomes tough to be relatable there. The scheduling around big events is classic. Like right now, for instance, in Vegas, it's the nationals finals rodeo.

You know, like, is that the type of fun? What, like, what type of things are you trying? I would love to go to that. Me too. Like, I think it would be incredible. type of fun what like what type of things are you trying i would love to go to that me too like i think it would be incredible you know i yeah to do that and i like uh yeah i gotta you know i have a redneck side of me like i love uh cab over engine trucks i used to love those when i was a kid and i would literally buy one if i had a place to put it all right, Bill, we appreciate the hell out of your time, man.

This was one of the best conversations I've ever had in my life. I appreciate this. All right. Well, I don't understand why it took you so long to get me on this show. I'm a huge fan of yours. I think you're hilarious. So don't be a stranger. I don't know if you mean that or not.

I don't know if you mean that or not. No, I do. And by the way, you know what I've been singing about the Patriots season so far? It's beginning to look a lot like 2001. Who is this? Mac Jones. And we got Billy fucking

B working on our fucking D and all the Colts fans are gonna cry. Go fuck yourselves, everybody. I'll see you in Indianapolis. I can't wait to see you. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Bill Burr.

Thank you, man. All right, we'll see you. Can't thank you enough for allowing us all to penetrate your ear holes on this glorious day. We'll be back, Mignogna, with a big-time Super Boost Thursday Night Football Thursday where we saddle the 10-dig Super Boost horse and ride that thing to Heaterville. And that starts tomorrow night. We can't thank you enough. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these people into a beautiful

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