The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 552 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 13 Recap, Kenny Moore II, Darius Butler, Jake Paul, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys overreact to everything that happened in week 13 of the NFL season as we now have a better grip on who is a contender, pretender, and who we need to see mor...e of. Joining the program to talk about the big win this week over the Texans, is a man who is about to make a boat load of money, Defensive Back for the Indianapolis Colts, Kenny Moore. Later, friend of the program, 9 year defensive back in the NFL, host of the Man-To-Man podcast, Darius Butler joins Pat and AJ to overreact to all the biggest moments from the NFL weekend, and who they like in tonight's Monday Night Football game between the Bill and the Patriots. Later, The Problem Child, Jake Paul joins Pat and AJ to chat about Tommy Fury backing out of their December 18th bout, and Tyron Woodley stepping into his place. Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, it is Overreaction Monday, December 6th, 2021. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day. Today's a good one. Kenny Moore, fresh off an incredible game against the Texans. Jake Paul, fresh out of a cancellation for his big-time fight-first interview he had.
Starting point is 00:00:17 Darius Butler, AJ Hawk, all the boys, and you. Thank you so much for all this. Thank you for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If you enjoy the show, by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend. If you did not like the show, just act like it never happened. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:00:34 What a week 13 NFL Sunday. Insanity comebacks. Teams winning that we thought were dead. Teams dying that we already knew were dead, and then teams thriving out of nowhere. There's a lot to talk about. We'll dive right into it. Today's show is a big show because not only do we have Kenny Moore.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Whoa. The third. Second. Second. Second. There is a third in the NFL. Hmm. We'll get to it.
Starting point is 00:01:06 Anyway, Kenny Moore II will join us today. Fresh off of the first play of the game yesterday against Houston. Pick, interception, and last week's hard knocks that basically showcased this dude to be the best human of all time. Cannot wait to chat with him. Jake Paul will join us today. Problem child. Yeah, problem child's coming through.
Starting point is 00:01:24 There's a problem with his next fight. I guess Tommy Fury has backed out. Jake Paul now fighting us today. Problem child. Yeah, problem child's coming through. There's a problem with his next fight. I guess Tommy Fury has backed out. Jake Paul now fighting Woodley again. This is Paul Woodley 2, and we'll talk to him in a couple hours. I can't wait for that. Darius Butler will be here. AJ Hawk is back. And hopefully some of your phone calls at 1-833-4-MACIFI
Starting point is 00:01:41 on this beautiful overreaction Monday. And we have to get right into some family business. So last week, Tone Diggs hit the Superboost on Thursday Night Football that set us up to go into a heater that we all knew was possible, a heater that was going to go ahead and take over the entire globe, a heater that was going to get so hot it'd be like 2,000 suns. Yeah. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:07 That's what we were going to do. And the super boost for yesterday was Buccaneers minus 2.5 against Falcons. Check. Vikings minus 2.5 against the completely duffied. Worst offense in 15 years in the NFL Haven't Jared Goff quarterbacking Vikings minus two and a half
Starting point is 00:02:32 Against the Lions and it was there It was there all the way until literally the last Fucking tick of the clock When I say that We're all incredibly happy for a long time Thank you We're all incredibly happy for the people of Detroit who have sat through so much shit.
Starting point is 00:02:48 So much. I mean, they've stunk for so long and they've seen the Calvin Johnson curse and they've felt it every cold, cold winter when there was zero thought that their team would be playing extra football at the end of the season. The season was over.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Hey, we're going fishing at the lake house in the middle of September. You're talking season's over quick in Detroit. No hope really for a long time. Coach comes. Coach goes. Coach comes. Coach goes.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Coach comes. Coach goes. This year, coach comes. Everybody's excited. Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah. We're not on kneecaps, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:31 We're buying in. We're wearing, hey, we're wearing IndyCar helmets to press conferences because the incredible IndyCar race that happens in Detroit every year is a big event in Detroit, and the people of Detroit are buying in. Chris Spielman's back there setting the culture. Firewood. MCDC.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Yeah, hey, man. He's coming in here. He's rejuvenating an entire city. And everybody in Detroit knew it was going to be a long road. It has been a long road. And it's on these back roads that have no lights, no concrete, a lot of potholes. That's what it's been like on this very long road the lions fans have had with the detroit lions and this
Starting point is 00:04:11 year after the mcdc electricity was brought to the motor city everybody thought maybe we'll get a chance to go ahead and do this you trade away matthew stafford get the fuck out of time dude he didn't want to be here. Understandable. We have stunk. We appreciate your service, Matthew. We'll pick up this guy who's been to a Super Bowl. We'll pay him $100 million. This is in the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:04:36 And then we'll build. There's no way you guys thought you weren't going to win a game until week 13. But goddamn, your win over Mike Zimmer's, what was he doing on defense? Vikings. Jeez.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Last play. Without feeling, there's a lot of excuses. We can make it whatever. The Lions have stunk. But yesterday and today, it's their day. Congratulations, Foxy. We fucking did it. We really fucking did it. You did. There's a lot of Congratulations, Foxy. We fucking did it. We really fucking did it.
Starting point is 00:05:05 You did. There's a lot of people, Foxy, calling for the team to be moved out of the city of Detroit. It wasn't the city's fault. It started as a joke. It started as a joke. But then people were like, yeah, this is the NFL. What are we even doing?
Starting point is 00:05:17 This is obviously a doomed destination for NFL players in Detroit. Here we are now on this Overreaction Monday. Big time win against the Division Rhyme. Division Rhyme. First big throw Monday. Can I do some shout outs real quick? Are we going to get right into this? Foxy, please.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Shout out to the Lions. First win, 364 days, almost a full year. Wow. Shout out. We got a shout out. Dan Campbell, first win as the Lions head coach. Shout out. Shout out. We got a shout out. Dan Campbell, first win as the Lions head coach. Shout out. Shout out.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Shout out. MCDC, where you going? Way to go, man. Way to go, man. Way to win that game, man. Here we go, man. Shout out Jared Goff, first win without Sean McVay. Oh, good night.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Shout out. We got a shout out to the city of Detroit, the people of Michigan. The last decade of sports have been so bad. We needed one. Hey. We needed one. Shout out Detroit. Shout out Detroit.
Starting point is 00:06:10 We can't forget either. Shout out Justin Tucker. Ripping our hearts out earlier in the season. Breaking a record against us to win the game. That made this one feel a lot better today. Okay. Shout out. Shout out.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Shout out. All right. We got more. Shout out to the Minnesota Vikings. You guys fucking stink. Shout out. Shout out. And last but not least. Tim Allen.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Shout out to this show. All right. Despite being the worst franchise in all of sport, we found a way to bring up the Detroit Lions every single day. I think we did. No exaggeration. We did every single day. I appreciate that so much.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I know Detroit. I know Michigan appreciates that. So thank you, Pat. Thank you, boys. No, shout out to you guys. Now, I would like to let it be known here quickly after that that Foxy does not speak for everybody in Michigan, even though he just said, I know Detroit and I know Michigan feels that way
Starting point is 00:07:12 because Foxy gets buried by some people from the UP up there. Oh, he's there for some people. Yeah, up there in Canada. Some people say he's not a real Lions fan. I feel like, Foxy, you've really lived and died with that team for a long time. And we mock it because, like, last year you said, you know, I'm going to go for the Steelers just so you could use your own curse against people that, you know, have probably said rude things to you on and off air.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Nick, Diggs, CFO Phil. I mean, a lot of that. I mean, you did that on purpose potentially, but today's your day. Congratulations. Appreciate it, Paul. We're all very happy. Choke it up. I cannot believe we opened the show
Starting point is 00:07:50 talking about the 110 and 110. Well, well, well, well, well. We're not talking about that. Okay? I mean, we were talking about them just there and at Boston, Connor, and at Ty Schmitter here at the Talks at Table. Great to see you, boys.
Starting point is 00:08:03 Good to see you, Pat. Hey, big Monday Night Football matchup tonight. I can't wait to dive into it. But before we get to that, we got to talk about the fucking heartbreak and devastation that that jubilation right there caused everybody else. Yep. That exciting moment for Evan Fox in Detroit and the UP and everybody around that cold ass world up there in Michigan.
Starting point is 00:08:24 They were so happy I was devastated how the fuck did the Vikings let that happen you don't ever think to yourself you know what a guy who's going to get a delay a game on a game winning drive with no timeout somehow
Starting point is 00:08:37 is going to lead you down the field and score how did that happen to the Vikings defense how did Zimmer allow it to take place? And why are we sitting here not with a 2-0 in the last two Superboosts, but all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:08:52 a 1-1 and our hearts broken on the last play of the game by a guy who I didn't even know still had that in him. I mean, everybody's talking about the Hail Mary coverage they had in. You know, it's called the back of the end zone. Let's make sure we don't get It's called the back of the end zone. Let's make sure we don't get anybody out of the back of the end zone.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Nobody's going to toe-drag swag towards the end. Not on us, said the Vikings. There's a lot of conversation about that. There's a lot of conversation about them just literally walking right down the field. Are we still trying? We're in a fucking game still. And I forgot about that. I had forgotten about that.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Whenever the Vikings scored a touchdown and went up by four or five or whatever it was in the Super Bowl. So I completely forgot that Jared Goff might fucking walk down the field against his defensive score. They did what? Have to talk about Jared Goff making that throw. Yeah. Spitting.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Yeah. That is a hell of a throw in that moment in the NFL. Last play of the game. I mean, that is big time mental fortitude to make it happen. Great catch, wide open. How's that happen? There's only a few people on routes, but that's a play that has.
Starting point is 00:09:54 But I'm devastated, Tone Diggs. Our Superboost was supposed to go on and live on forever, but instead we have to have mixed emotions because a miserable fan base gets a chance to have fun for one day in literally the last year so this stinks tone what happened i'm devastated too and there's no mixed emotions i hate that fucking franchise fuck them uh i mean even more so after yesterday it was hard for me not to feel that way i actually called jared golf a son of a bitch naturally so mcdc goes for it on fourth and one on his own 25.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Fucking brilliant idea. They don't get it. Justin Jefferson. I thought the Vikings were just going to run the clock out and kick a field goal to win. Because somehow, some way, when the Lions were up, they only had one timeout left. So they couldn't really stop the clock.
Starting point is 00:10:41 They did. Justin Jefferson scored the touchdown. My first worry is that fucking A, MCDC is going to drive down the field and kick a field goal not knowing that three points is not enough to win this. So, but they still – we still don't get the cover. Correct. That was my first worry. And then, you know, there was the first basically dropped interception.
Starting point is 00:11:00 And then there was the second dropped interception in the end zone. And then Vikings defense just went out for a fucking walk. What are they doing? It's last play of the game. Let's just go down the field. And as you said, 10 yards in an end zone. They said, fuck the first five yards in the end zone. We don't have to.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Don't need it. No reason to cover that. We'll just cover the back five. And the guy just, he runs a hook. Wide open. Wide ass open. Yeah. Wide open.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Where was the pressure? Where's any, where's? Blitz this guy. Are they playing with eight guys? Like, what happened? How is that guy wide ass open? He was all by himself on that side. You would think at least somebody has to go check outside in.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Oh, look, there's a fucking guy over here. How come that didn't happen? Now I'm happy for the Lions. Hey, shout out. Shout out. That was coming out Lions. Shout out, Lions. That was coming out of a timeout, too. They lined up, took a timeout, and then went back out there, and that's what they decided to run with. Yeah, anyways, congrats to the Lions.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Congrats to the Lions. We'll wear that one for a while. I am very devastated. We do have a big-time announcement about who will be garnering the reins of the Superboost here in the next day or so. This is a big-time deal. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:12 I mean, are we going to bring up what wasn't mentioned there about the Superboost possibility? Well, fascinating. I thought that's what we were here for, to expose the problems that are going on. So I'd like to let everybody know that I've been very transparent. And the fact that Fando is our own company and we're our own company, we can actually send emails like, no, fuck you. Go to hell. It is real little competition. Now, they have seemingly made a lot of money off of a lot of the stuff that we have put up.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Yeah. I mean, a risk-free same-game parlay, they did not. Right. Would have lost like $8 million in one night or something like that. A couple times. But the risk-free, you get your ten dollars back whatever the case other people are betting bigger but these say um these super boosts you know there's they get that money and that is that is why there's genuine frustration and pissed offness when it happens because not only is everybody but i would like to fucking beat them too you know and ty i i think you would
Starting point is 00:13:04 like the fucking goddamn right there's what we are And Ty, I think you would like to fucking beat them. Hey, goddamn right I would. There's what we are trying to do. Like, hey, we are trying to beat these people. Yes, they are our exclusive sportsbook, okay? Sure. They have deemed their sportsbook to be the place where we all have to bet and attack. But now that we get access to do stuff, like, we have to take advantage of this.
Starting point is 00:13:24 That's right. Like, these super boosts have to start hitting. But every single time we go to create the super boost, there is always a give and take between us and FanDuel. That's like the Ristori same game parlay. There was four rules that got agreed upon in the middle of the whole thing. I was like, how would I do this? Well, we can't do that because of blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:13:41 Like, for instance, spread the love, the team betting aspect, basically. That was something I brought in one of our first sit-down meetings. I said, hey, I. Like, for instance, spread the love, you know, the team betting aspect basically. That was something I brought in one of our first sit-down meetings. Hey, I think this is a good thing to do. That has cost the risk and trading team so much money. It has cost them so much money because of how big it is. I guess they file it
Starting point is 00:13:57 into marketing, which it should be for them, but there is always a give and take. Last week, we will go on record as saying superboost was supposed to be tampa minus two and a half okay philly minus two and a half yeah it's supposed to be philly and um that's why we couldn't i mean we couldn't even hammer it as loud as we could on the show because there was a lot of conversation about the injury question marks on the Eagles and we don't want this to turn
Starting point is 00:14:27 in a way that isn't a super boost and maybe back in the better's favor and the super boost isn't as good. So with the less question marks team, we'd appreciate it. So we got the Vikings feeling concerned on the first play. Bullshit. What do we even do? There's a lot of question marks right there. It's one of their best players. I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:43 you see him do the goddamn gritty. I almost said the dirty. Dirty, dirty. Yeah. Dirty, dirty. It's a dirty gritty, too. Anyways, so we were potentially on the right path, but there's rules to this, especially whenever you're super boosting odds
Starting point is 00:14:59 and you're potentially taking more money than anybody else is from the goddamn game. That sounds a little fishy to me, but, hey, guess what? That's why you got another opportunity. That's why he got another crack at it. Because, I mean, Tony was tooting that horn pretty loud, you know, leading up to Friday's show. Yeah, exactly. And the Eagles did show up, by the way.
Starting point is 00:15:16 They did. Big time. And Minshew Mania is a real thing. Let's get this sidebar on here and let's get to this, actually. Let's start diving through yesterday's stories. The Superboost losing is not fun. Okay, we don't like that. Let's talk about some things that should
Starting point is 00:15:28 be talked about. Primetime Games. Chief. The Chiefs squad's got a good old D on them. They're buzzing. They got a good D on them. The Chiefs. I mean, Patrick Mahomes made some plays. Tyree Kills back in there. Obviously, only two catches, three catches. Travis Kelsey, same thing. That seemed to be getting
Starting point is 00:15:43 a little physical for Travis Kelsey last night. I like when there's actual beef. It felt like Broncos, Chiefs, actual beef. Patrick Mahomes never lost to the Broncos. I did not know that since he started playing. I think they said that during the program last night. It was also the first team he ever played against, which we talked about on Friday.
Starting point is 00:16:00 Week 17 of Alex Smith's year. He's resting because the Chiefs are already in the playoffs. Patrick Mahomes goes in and plays in Denver, gets a win, and allegedly from sources inside the building that we know, that was the day they were like, yep, we got the guy, and they decided to move on from Alex Smith, and they do their thing. Because he'd been slicing and dicing as the practice squad quarterback, but that being the first game where they actually got to witness him playing
Starting point is 00:16:22 against somebody else was a monumental deal. Now, the offense is going to have to get it figured out yes and every week we we say hey i'm not going to talk about their offense figuring it out because patrick mahomes is still like a top three passing quarterback in the nfl right now tyree kill is top five in the nfl and receiving yards i think still to this day we haven't seen the updated graph but as of last week he was so i think a lot of that to do was about nothing but watching them you think you could be so much better this team can be so much better and i think that's why whenever you hear everybody talk about the afc and there's like 13 teams in the afc that can still go and get it you always hear people say the kansas city chiefs are a team that we like right now even though they are not the team that looks the best right now it's because they
Starting point is 00:17:03 have that ability to flip the switch. It's just like, will they this year? Will this be the year finally that it catches up to them where they don't play their best football, and then all of a sudden it gets to a big game and it turns against them? Where it hasn't happened in the past, they've been able to show up and do their thing. But I do know one thing.
Starting point is 00:17:18 That defense is fucking good. And they are back, and they had to go through some learning curves. I think they had some people out of positions. Jones was out of position. they moved him back inside i think clark came back they tyron matthew is an absolute guy i mean he throws his body around i absolutely love it that team's shaping up again to be a chiefs playoff contender and last night they look nowhere near what they'll probably look like or could look like and they still get an easy win over teddy b in the Broncos.
Starting point is 00:17:45 It's wild because what was it, like five weeks ago, we put up the numbers where they were 32nd in the league in every single category on defense, and now they're winning the last five games where they've won basically because of defense every single game. Which is why everybody says, hey, the AFC is going to run through Kansas City because how good the defense is starting to play. If the offense can figure it out.
Starting point is 00:18:05 I mean, tonight is a big night. Hey, Ty, before we get to Connor, I mean, tonight we get a chance to watch the New England Patriots getting points on Monday Night Football. And I said this last week. I don't know much about college football. I said this last week. I even said it on SmackDown.
Starting point is 00:18:23 I said, pretty cool, Saban's getting six and a half points in one of these games. The New England Patriots are the hottest team in the NFL right now. I think everybody has agreed upon that. Going into this week, getting two and a half points. Going into Buffalo, a team that I think maybe many have forgotten about how great they are. We got
Starting point is 00:18:40 a good one tonight. Tonight's going to be a good one, but New England feels to be the hottest team right now. It's exactly what you said. It's everyone this weekend gassing up Georgia and saying, Alabama just doesn't match up with this team. Saban's getting six and a half points. They beat the fucking shit out of them. Everyone knew that was going to happen,
Starting point is 00:18:57 and I feel like the same thing does apply with Bill and the Pats. They're playing so good right now. The Bills on the other end, I feel like we still don't really know what they are. They can't stop the run, really. Jonathan Taylor just ran right through them. Pats run the ball very, very well. Their defense is good. The Pats, I feel like, are in that same kind of mold as the Chiefs right now. Everyone knows they're good, but they have so many primetime games, and we see them in these high-profile games games and they just don't look like we've seen them look traditionally. It's crazy, right? It's just
Starting point is 00:19:28 weird. So yeah, I mean, I wouldn't bet against the Pats tonight. A lot more faith in the Chiefs when they don't play as good than people have in the Bills when they don't play as good. For sure. You know, and I don't know why. I don't think it's fair because I think Josh Allen and Bills Moffey is unbelievable. But you look at the line early, it's like the Patriots are getting
Starting point is 00:19:44 two and a half points and everybody just a couple days ago is talking about how they're the hottest team in the NFL Josh McDaniels deserves another head coaching opportunity I mean that was the combo just a few days ago but that's what beautiful overreaction Monday is I don't think any moments too big for Mac Jones either feels like he thrives in all this Connor and the only reason why we're talking about this on overreaction Monday when we should be overreacting is because the AFC is such an interesting story. 13 teams still in it. Yeah. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:10 The top of the AFC has four losses already in 12 games. Four losses is not in 16-game season. Four losses for the top dog isn't until later in the year. They, like, decide it. This year, it seems to be all hell breaking loose everywhere except for the Arizona Cardinals that we will get to, who go into Chicago in bad weather and just say, how you doing, keep it fucking moving.
Starting point is 00:20:30 How you doing, keep it moving. But the New England Patriots, it feels like, in the middle of a run that's going to be tough to top, how do you feel going against a familiar foe in the Buffalo Bills? I mean, definitely feel good. You just mentioned how close it is. I mean, if we win tonight, we're the one seed. If we lose, we lose we're the five seat i mean that's a massive difference so it should be good 25 mile per hour winds so the whole mac jones might not be rattled by every moment but i would
Starting point is 00:20:54 like to see him in a bad weather game like that i know it was raining during the tampa game so he has had success in the uh elements if you will, but Buffalo's a different animal. I'm pumped. This is definitely the biggest game for the Patriots since they had TB12. We'll see what happens. They lose Trey White, their best corner. He tore his ACL last week. Kyle Duggar, the Patriots' leading tackler this season.
Starting point is 00:21:20 COVID. Won't know if he's playing until 4 o'clock today. Oh, and the Abbott. He's taking the Abbott. It's coming up that they do. There was a report just on Twitter that he's most likely not going to play. Yeah, which stinks. But Jamie Collins coming off the IR, so that'll help.
Starting point is 00:21:34 And to Ty's point, if it does get into a running game, us versus them, can they stop our run? I don't know. Jonathan Taylor scored five touchdowns. He scored five touchdowns. Can we stop their run? We've been pretty damn good defensively, but we'll see. I don't know. Jonathan Taylor scored five touchdowns. He scored five touchdowns. Can we stop their run? We've been pretty damn good defensively, but we'll see. I'm fired up.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Anytime touchdown scores, Damian and Stevenson both plus money right now. Yes. They're running backs. They alternate series. So I don't know if you parlay them or just want to plus money bet on each of them. Probably make a little bit of money. Let's talk about the top of that AFC because
Starting point is 00:22:03 yesterday down there in Pittsburgh, the top of that AFC because yesterday, down there in Pittsburgh, the top dog got knocked off. How about that? One for the Gipper, Ben Roethlisberger, letting his family, his friends, his teammates know his close confidants. He's saying, hey, this is my last year, all right? And if you look back, Ray Lewis did this to Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:22:26 It was this storied kind of thing where Ray told the the team like, hey, this is my last year. And everybody said, alright. And then they go fucking win a Super Bowl. They rallied around Ray and wanted to celebrate Ray and send him off in the right fashion. Jerome Bettis with the Pittsburgh Steelers. You know, the Super Bowl was in Detroit,
Starting point is 00:22:41 his hometown. It was like the Steelers allegedly wanted to send the bus out. You know, because the wheels was in Detroit, his hometown. It was like the Steelers allegedly wanted to send the bus out. You know, because the wheels on the bus go round and round. They wanted to send the bus off on the proper note there. Now, Ben Roethlisberger lets the ones closest to him know, hey, I agree with what everybody's saying about me right now. My body doesn't feel good at all. Not throwing the ball anywhere near like I used to,
Starting point is 00:23:06 even though I feel like I can still sling it, which he dropped a couple dimes just now. Even a couple of his throwaways. So he had a couple throwaways while he was getting hit that he was maybe on the far hash. And I was like, is that going to make it to the sideline? Because I saw a Raven DB running. I'm like, oh, is this going to be a pick? And it was like 15 a Raven DB running. I'm like, oh, is this going to be a pick?
Starting point is 00:23:25 And it was like 15 yards in the side. I'm like, oh, he's still got a fucking hose. Yeah, sling it. I mean, he still has an absolute hose. He's an incredible player. His resume is huge. But I think he sees what everybody else sees. And he saw that meme from earlier, a gif from earlier,
Starting point is 00:23:39 where he rolled to the right and just literally attacked the ground and then threw the ball at the same time. I think he has gotten to the point where he recognizes that and allegedly has told people around him, like, hey, this is going to be the last one. What if, you know, TJ, Tam, Hayward, and the boys say, hey, you know, Ben deserves something. Let's go on and get a run.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Or are the Ravens in trouble? You know, like are the Ravens in trouble? I think those are the two talking points that are coming away from this particular game. Let's go to the COVID cowboy, Tone Diggs, Pittsburgh Steeler fan himself. Tone, your thoughts on the win? Great to beat the Ravens. People have to remember, the Bronze in Cleveland went to Baltimore
Starting point is 00:24:22 to become the Ravens. Baltimore and Pittsburgh have hated each other in a rivalry fashion. Since that day, Cleveland went to Baltimore because people in Pittsburgh hated Cleveland so much. So it wasn't like the team's going to move and we're going to forget about that. There was, you know, like come down to the south side, pick up a bat, and smash a car that was painted in the Baltimore Ravens colors, basically, the week leading up to Ravens games back in the heyday. You've got to remember, Flacco won a Super Bowl. Those Ravens teams were incredible.
Starting point is 00:24:57 The Steelers won a Super Bowl. Those Steelers teams were incredible. Been in the same division as the former Browns. So these are massive games. And you heard Bill Cowher kind of talk about, this is a good Steelers-Ravens game. Now, a little bit of a snoozer in that first half. I mean, it was tough to get through that.
Starting point is 00:25:13 There were some vitamins that were hitting at a particular time that felt like the melatonin level was lifting in my body quickly while watching the goddamn football that we were watching. But inevitably in the end, second half gets hot, big two-point conversion decision. I mean, Harbaugh said, all of our corners were hurt at that point. So Harbaugh said, hey, no way we're going to overtime because we can't stop a goddamn thing. Even Nodge is a hell of a player. But I like that he went for it. I hate that Lamar Jackson is going to get buried because of the way the games have gone in the last couple of weeks.
Starting point is 00:25:44 But is this a turning point for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Tony? You were out of it last week. We were actually mumming the silence for the Steelers winning record, Tomlin's winning record. And then Tomlin after the game was basically like, everybody can fuck off. It sounded like. I love that, Tony.
Starting point is 00:25:58 You've got to feel pretty good. I feel great. Because beating, like you said, the Browns, being the Browns, being the Bengals, that's all good and stuff. But this is the rivalry. This is the one that matters. A lot of people on the internet are saying this, and Toby said it best. Ben might not be as good as he once was, but he's as good once as he ever was.
Starting point is 00:26:17 And yesterday, he was that. It was awesome. Lamar always stinks against the Steelers because they make him throw and he can't throw. Jeez. Tone, he he can't throw. Jeez. Tone, he had a sidearm. Yeah. Made a couple plays.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Mark Andrews, if he makes that one spectacular one early and then end of the game, that's just – Two points. That would have been insane. If he would have caught that, that would have been – TJ Watt is defense player of the year. He's missed two and a half games and he's leading the league by two sacks. I think he's got 16 on the year already.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Oh, that's J.J. Watt tweet. Yeah, he's probably going to break the all-time single-season sack record. Yesterday was awesome. Are they back? I don't know. We'll see what happens on Thursday. That one day, it's easy to get up for. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Listen. Oh, captain, my captain, we're here. Ben's last game in Heim, potentially, against the Ravens. That one's easy to get up for. We'll Oh, captain, my captain, we're here. Ben's last game in Heim potentially against the Ravens. That one's easy to get up for. We'll see what happens on Thursday. What's on Thursday? Vikings. They stink, dude. They just lost to the Lions. But you tied. No, you guys tied to the Lions.
Starting point is 00:27:16 You should beat them, too. You're better. I wish football worked like that. Well, the thing we are learning about football is nothing seems to really. Week to week. The Vikings just beat the Packers. That was like two weeks ago, a week ago.
Starting point is 00:27:30 This is this year, though, and it's just full chaos. Put that playoff picture back up there for both sides there. 13 in the AFC, 12 in the NFC, but the Giants who aren't on the graphic can somehow still get in. Oh, yeah. Like if they start winning some games. It is very fascinating to be eight and four is the top of the afc right and in a 16 game season that wouldn't be normal after week 12 there
Starting point is 00:27:52 would be some 10 and 2 team there'd be maybe even 11 and fucking one depending upon the dominance of a team eight and four is crazy and with how many games we have left for most teams as opposed to tonight's game obviously and the colts have a bye next week which is congrats to them man they made it through here huge they made it through i mean this is that's a lot but anyways with the amount of games that are left everybody can lose four games i mean there is still a chance that anybody could win five games or even because i thought like if the colts lose they're out uh last week that's not the case at all seven and six they're about to be in the wild card after this bye week comes because they have more losses than teams that are currently in the wild card somebody's gonna lose they'll
Starting point is 00:28:34 get in there i mean it is it is wide open in the afc and in the nfc this cardinal squad we have to talk about man i mean obviously the packers we talk about a lot and they're incredibly talented and they're going to be good yeah because they're going to be good that's just obviously the Packers, we talk about a lot, and they're incredibly talented, and they're going to be good because they're going to be good. That's just what the Packers are, and they have Aaron Rodgers as quarterback. That certainly helps. The thing about the Arizona Cardinals was, is Kyler Murray going to take a step, right?
Starting point is 00:28:55 We saw Josh Allen take these incredible steps of improvement over the off-seasons of his first couple years. He stunk, okay? Yeah. Nobody's going to say it. Most rookie quarterbacks, though, do stink. I think that is something that you kind of just have to figure out and learn on the fly.
Starting point is 00:29:10 You get baptized by fire. And if you're in a bad situation, it's only going to get worse. So not only do you not know what the fuck is going on, but usually the people on your team, they don't either. So it's a bad – you just got to kind of get through your rookie year. I think from listening to all the quarterbacks that have gone through it, it's like, hey, I just got to get through my rookie year. Josh Allen did that.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Then he got better. Then he got better. And boom, he became a guy. Kyler Murray, first year, electrified. There was a couple plays. Holy shit, I love this guy. I actually said so much, I'm betting on this dude every single week because if that team has this guy, if the Card i love this guy i actually said so much i'm betting on this dude every single week because if if that team has this guy if the cardinals have this guy they can beat anybody
Starting point is 00:29:50 that's right because all they need is just to happen to get him one against two one against one and it's a touchdown but they just weren't consistent they go on the road and they shit the bed i mean they would lay an egg they play terrible against the team then they'd show up one game then they wouldn't show up. Then they'd bring in DeAndre Hopkins. Then Nuke brings a little stability. And then this offseason they bring in JJ. And Chandler Jones is still a guy. And Buda Baker on that defense.
Starting point is 00:30:14 And on the offensive side, we'll bring in AJ Green, even though he hasn't been on the field as productive. I assume behind the scenes in the meetings, not that Larry Fitzgerald is easy to replace. I would never say that. But they have some stability. Cliff Kingsbury is getting better and better. Still looks cool.
Starting point is 00:30:29 Always. As ever. Hey, that snapback flat bill he had on yesterday in the middle of that pouring down rain with Nagy's crooked beanie. I mean, you just look at the two. It's like, oh, that guy is so much cooler than that guy over there. Even though you would think that the Arizona Cardinals
Starting point is 00:30:43 would be fucked in that weather. Right? I mean, that is not what Arizona is. Phoenix, fourth largest city in America. Yep. Fourth largest city in America. Beautiful city. That city is fucking awesome.
Starting point is 00:30:55 Top tier. I love, I absolutely love Phoenix. But the thought that they would go into Arizona, first game back with Kyler, still limping pregame, but once he got that thing warmed up, with DeAndre Hopkins back, they are a wagon.
Starting point is 00:31:07 They seem to be very consistent. 10-2. It doesn't feel like any moment's too big. And once we shout out FaZe Clan. FaZe Clan! Kyler seems to be a guy, and that team's loaded with him. I'm super pumped for the Cardinals. Stinks for the Bears, obviously.
Starting point is 00:31:24 You guys stink. Andy Dalton made some bad decisions in there he got killed made a couple plays as well but the cardinals showing up in chicago i think is a big statement of who this team could be going forward yeah and kyler just to add to your point about who they brought in like bringing in a veteran center who's been a pro bowler definitely helps with uh rodney hudson and then another rookie who's figured it out and not a rookie anymore, but Isaiah Simmons. Like when Isaiah Simmons first came in, it was like, where the hell are they going to play this guy?
Starting point is 00:31:50 Is he going to be a safety? Is he going to be a D-end? Is he going to be a linebacker? And they were just like, all right, we'll just put him in the middle of our defense and let him run around and make plays. And he's been unbelievable. Hey, you're going to play the I position.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Isaiah Simmons. Hey, do whatever you got to do. You can keep up with wide receivers. You can hit running backs. And you can take on our offensive linemen. Last year, kind of lost, right? You play a couple plays. You got that big pick.
Starting point is 00:32:13 And any time he was on the field, he did something. He doesn't know the full playbook yet or something like that. Now it's just like, hey, fuck a playbook, dude. Just do what you got to do. Especially because, I mean, when Chandler's humming and then Buda's doing his thing He got caught again by the way Hey Buda's a playmaker
Starting point is 00:32:29 Superstar He should have just put on the brakes a little bit And let everyone run by him So he hit some blockers But he was too excited Well I would be too I mean he was so close Yeah
Starting point is 00:32:39 And that grass is slow It's older field too Oh And that weather too They don't got it Yeah He got his ass though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:47 I love that Cardinals team though. I think that is a good point too about them going to Chicago because with them playing indoors and everything, like just that mental hump of like, hey, we can go play in like a very bad weather game and dominate. I don't think he would play that well. Who? Kyler Murray.
Starting point is 00:33:00 I mean – He had three of those fumbles where like the snap was bad and shit like that. Even the defense called him out more than anything. Hold on. There was one insane snap that happened, right? Was that Lamar? Oh, that was a play that got called a timeout or delay a game beforehand. I think Kyler had a couple of those, too.
Starting point is 00:33:17 I think there was a couple. Russ had one yesterday, too. Yeah, the weather got terrible. The weather has changed. So I didn't watch as closely as I should have for the Bears game. The only reason, those two interceptions at the beginning of the game, was the only reason why they were out by that much. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:33:30 And I saw a couple runs, obviously, of Kyler where he looked very comfortable, very confident. I saw him hit DeAndre for 30 on like a fourth and two in a bucket if he had to. So you're right. I guess I should have watched the entire game, every single snap, to see how they handled it. But I think mentally this is something they can lean on much like you said yeah and also i think it is interesting because i saw a lot of people at least on twitter were saying like it's funny because
Starting point is 00:33:50 after uh the rams win yesterday like that's still any all anyone's talking about you know like the cardinals i believe play the rams next monday night so like it'll be very i mean if they win that game they wrap up the division pretty much like it'll be very interesting to see how they they play against them because i think they are i mean outside of the packers and the bucks like game they wrap up the division pretty much like it'll be very interesting to see how they they play against them because i think they are i mean outside of the packers and the bucks like i feel like they can beat anybody let's talk about the rams you guys you're sold on you like the rams no i think i don't think they're gonna beat anybody i didn't think yesterday was that big of a thing i like listen i had that game on because i even live bet the Jags plus 23 or something like that.
Starting point is 00:34:26 I had them at plus 23 and they started a little bit. They started holding them. I think they got six points at one point. I was just watching. I'm like, here we go. Let's go, Jags. Now's the time for you guys to just hang tough, hang tight. I should have known. There's no way Urban Meyer goes to Los Angeles.
Starting point is 00:34:41 There's no way. Long weekend. You know how many chop houses are in LA? Too many. Oh, my God. He went to an Explorer page of chop houses. Yeah. There's no way Jacksonville was going to be able to show up. They got boat raced.
Starting point is 00:34:57 They did. And I don't know. Everybody says, you know, everybody's on scholarship in the NFL. So any team, any given Sunday or whatever. And they did win a couple games here, Jacksonville has. That Houston team yesterday with how the Colts, like what the Colts did to Houston yesterday, and I think it's Archuleta was calling that game?
Starting point is 00:35:15 Yeah, he's pretty good. Go on. He had personality when he was calling. Oh, yeah, yeah. A lot of good jokes. A lot of that. I enjoyed it, though, because the game was what it was was but they were acting as if the colts weren't just dominating you know the texans the way they were speaking is almost like you know we thought it'd be worse or
Starting point is 00:35:34 whatever they just ran the ball right down the fucking texans throat i mean it was there was no patience i mean there was so much patience in the run game. It was like Frank listened and heard everything that was said. The offensive line heard everything that was said. They heard everything that Frank said, too, on why we were doing this. We weren't being successful in this. They just fucking demolished the Houston
Starting point is 00:35:58 Tigers. I mean, zero points for your offense. Tyra Taylor gets hurt, by the way. Love Tyra. Hey, Tyra, sorry about it, dude. Peace and peace, Tyra. Still need public push-ups out there. What's your name be for Gene Tech? That was one of the wins that we got.
Starting point is 00:36:14 We're all eligible, too. People forget that. But the defense puts up a shutout, okay? Pick on the first play of the fucking game. Show up. How you doing? Keep it moving. DeForest Buckner is a game wrecker. I mean, absolutely. Darius Leonard flies around.
Starting point is 00:36:27 The team is unbelievable. They just ran it right down Houston. And I don't even know if there was enough prayers for Jack Easterby to put last night and yesterday that can make that team stop the Colts. And I think that was a big-time statement by the Colts. Like, hey, we understand what had happened was against the Buccaneers. We will continue to feed. We will continue to go.
Starting point is 00:36:49 And we'll be talking to Kenny Moore in like an hour from now. That team has to be in consideration right now, especially with only 8-4 being at the top of the AFC. Them at 7-5 or whatever the hell they are, 7-6. I mean, they're right around the corner. And they are playing great. See, Houston Texans. I actually thought numerous times during the game yesterday, has this team won two games yeah i know how
Starting point is 00:37:09 has this team won two i have no idea how they showed up for 60 minutes against an nfl team and got a win titans same thing with the jags too though yeah they did be well and one of the texans win is against the jags yeah but the jags also got a win against a team that's won five straight. It's crazy. None of it makes any sense, but there's some bad football going on right now. Well, and with the Colts, because of the defense and the ground game, we were just talking about the Cardinals being able to go into a
Starting point is 00:37:35 bad weather stadium and still perform. The Colts are built for it, too. They can play defense. They can run the ball. Those are essentially the two most important things. When you think about having to go up to Buffalo in January or even New England, that is where you would need it more than anywhere else. Collinsworth and Al Michaels started talking about the AFC playoff picture a little bit during the game.
Starting point is 00:37:55 Did they go to a studio highlight in the middle of the game? Yeah, it was very weird. That was the end of the first quarter. It was sponsored by somebody. It was brought to you by – I was confused. I thought it was halftime. Me too. I thought the game was delayed. I went to the bathroom and the first quarter. It was sponsored by somebody. It was brought to you by, I was like, how much? I was confused. I thought it was halftime. Me too.
Starting point is 00:38:06 I didn't know. And I thought the game was delayed. I like went to the bathroom and I came back. I was like, oh, is there a storm? And they did like a quick minute and a half update about what happened throughout the day. It was an ad for somebody. I forget who it was.
Starting point is 00:38:17 And then they went back to the game. But Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworth were talking about the AFC playoff picture. And Chris started talking about all these teams and they showed him in there must have been in between and it was almost like he had like a realization and maybe he was setting it up the entire time I don't know how Chris Collinsworth operates whether or not those are all pre-canned answers or he thinks on the fly feels like he is a think out loud guy at the end he said the Colts team though feels like the team that can travel right now Patriots all obviously same way two
Starting point is 00:38:46 great running backs they run through that whole thing but when you talk about teams that are going to be around in the end it always revolves around who can run and who can stop the run and the colts are a team right now that are fucking humming dude they're it's a great time to be a colts fan because just not too long ago they were two and four or one and five or something like that it's like this team stinks what happened and i think they all wanted the same things they gotta fix well and that's the big thing right it's just like them being consistent week in and week out because they'll do something like this and then next week come out and it's like well what why didn't we do what we did last week i feel like there's like four teams in the afc like you never know what
Starting point is 00:39:20 the chargers are gonna do you never know what the bangles are gonna do like they could either win by 41 week or get beat by 41 week. It makes no fucking sense. They're all in the playoffs right now. Zito just told me that that ad was for Halo, by the way. Shout out to Halo. Shout out to Halo. Halo's still doing it, huh?
Starting point is 00:39:37 Better than ever. That's actually a forced statement, but it's very good. I saw some scumbag that wrestles on Wednesday nights. He put out a big long tweet about how awesome this newest addition is. What a scumbag. And although he is a scumbag, I do trust his opinion whenever it comes to this type of thing. So I did find that. You're like a Halo-sponsored guy, too, for sure.
Starting point is 00:39:56 That's what I'm saying, yeah, yeah. Is that that piece of shit? Yeah, that piece of shit who was over here. Oh, that little fucker who was sitting in that seat? Right, that little fucker. But he gave... He still wrestles? I think he's thriving.
Starting point is 00:40:08 I'm not 100% sure, but I do believe he's doing... I hope. That thing is so loud. He is such a... But yeah. One year ago today, by the way. Wow.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Oh, yeah, that's right. I was kicking out of Panama Sunrises, pissing off the entire IWC. Yeah, I figured... Suck it. Suck it. Figured it. Suck it. Figured since you stopped carrying his career, he would just go to die.
Starting point is 00:40:29 No, that did not happen. I think a lot of people are actually thinking that maybe he should get a little bit. A bigger push? I don't know. I'm not 100% sure. He's a fucking scumbag. Don't push him.
Starting point is 00:40:38 It's probably because he's a huge sack of shit. Oh, it's probably why, huh? Can't do it for this guy. Yeah, right. Well, it's so loud whenever he... Nah, he's a scumbag. He's a scumbag. He's a sack of shit, can't do it for this guy. Yeah, right. Well, it's so loud whenever he... Nah. He's a scumbag. He's a scumbag.
Starting point is 00:40:47 Can't do it. That's terrible. But I do trust his opinion. Yeah, sure. And he said that, you know, he said Halo's a good game. So I just assume he's right. They paid enough to interrupt an entire broadcast on Sunday Night Football between the, I mean, big-time game right there,
Starting point is 00:41:06 and then they just have a highlight. It's like perfect for that. But you're right. Let's go to two of those teams you mentioned there. Chargers-Bengals met in the middle of Ohio in a pretty cold, windy day to figure out which quarterback out of that draft class is going to make the most of themselves on this particular Sunday. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:22 Joey Burrow depicted everything that there is to be an Ohioan. All right, this guy broke his Oh, yeah. Joey Burrow depicted everything that there is to be an Ohioan. All right, this guy broke his fucking pinky finger. If he would have had a pinky ring on, it would have shattered into a million pieces
Starting point is 00:41:32 because the sausage hanging from his fifth metatarsal, pedatarsal, swallowed up so much from how broken it was. He was actually holding his hand behind his back during huddles,
Starting point is 00:41:47 pulling his pinky, trying to keep it straight so it didn't hurt as bad, battling through a very, very devastatingly painful injury in his throwing hand in the middle of, you know, cold as hell weather. I have a lot of respect for Joey Burrow. I have a lot of faith that Joey Burrow is a guy. But it makes me wonder here. We're in December. December football. What happens in December in the area of the country that we're in right now? Typically it gets cold and windy.
Starting point is 00:42:17 It gets fucking freezing, right? And miserable. And sleet. Yeah, freezing. A little rain. What? What? Ice.
Starting point is 00:42:24 What? What? What? What? Ice. What? What? What? What? I'm worried that Cincinnati Bengals team ain't getting any extra reps because he had no goddamn indoor practice facility. And I ain't ever seen something more prevalent than this weekend when the team from Los Angeles just came in and beat the hell out of them.
Starting point is 00:42:37 Because that is what happened yesterday. Herbert showed up in a big way yesterday. Yeah. Herbert, by the way, celebrating in a big way. Herbert catching balls in a big way.. Herbert, by the way, celebrating in a big way. Herbert catching balls in a big way, spiking. Herbert understands the conversation, as does Joey B., that'll happen forever between the two of them. And who's – I mean, the 50-50 poll that we put out was so good
Starting point is 00:42:55 that Good Morning Football did it literally the day after, and the NFL Instagram did it and was like, hey, these two dudes are both dudes. Which dude would you select to lead your team if you had to? We couldn't answer that question because Herbert is 6'5", 240, absolute stud. Joey Burrow, we have no idea because he has glimpses of being the guy forever. But then there's moments where he's like, oh, he's a bangle though, so he's going to be put in bad situations, and he's never really going to be able to make it.
Starting point is 00:43:22 But I guess Chargers fans are saying, oh, saying oh whoa whoa we'll fuck up this career too do not do not let us get by in that whole thing just very fascinating career paths that we will watch probably for the entire existence of our show because how young they are but that chargers team yesterday was fucking balling that fumble recovery obviously seals it to the house can't happen late but that bangles team they've got mike whited then they got herberted yesterday what are they gonna be and then that chargers team there's games where they show up like they did yesterday and then there's games where they what are they why is everything so inconsistent you think this season i honestly wonder what the fuck it is well i just feel like every team every team, you know, because they look great one week,
Starting point is 00:44:05 they get a little high on themselves, and then all of a sudden they kind of fall off. Like, that's my biggest worry about the Pats. I feel like that happened with the Packers' defense a little bit. Everyone's, you know, saying how great they are, and they almost start to believe it a little bit. And then the next week they get kind of exposed on where they actually do have a lot of problems. Well, especially in a sport that involves combat, you know, and like physical contact. Like if you start feeling yourself,
Starting point is 00:44:27 there's a chance you can get your ass run over. I was never in that position though, honestly. Like when I started feeling myself, it only made me better because of my confidence went up and I was able to just kind of go do my thing. I couldn't even imagine that you couldn't get to a point where you're like, yeah, I'm pretty good. And then boom, just like a run over out of nowhere
Starting point is 00:44:43 or take one Sunday off or have a couple bad plays that completely change the trajectory of the game. I mean, it is, I guess it's the highest level of the most popular sport in the world. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. God damn right. I don't know if that's right.
Starting point is 00:44:56 There's a couple countries that are really big with a lot of people that don't necessarily love our sport. So we'll just count them as one vote. Cricket in India is massive. I guess now that you say that. Oh, that guy? Yeah. He's a ball player.
Starting point is 00:45:10 Andraj Poonrabi. Oh, my God, dude. Dominant guy. He can sling it. Maybe the best ever. Pat, how do you even know that? And why'd you look directly to Ty? Whenever that was brought up.
Starting point is 00:45:24 Great question. Whatever observant viewer just asked right there. was on get up a couple years ago and they wanted to ask a question about somebody being the most dominant person in a sport and uh i just wanted to debate so i i actually texted ty michael jordan and you know wayne gretzky and yeah and i i was like i don't want to give like regular one. So I texted Ty. I was like, this is live on set. I text Ty. Who's a popular cricket player? I don't have time to look this whole thing up.
Starting point is 00:45:52 And Ty texts me back this person's name. And I go, all right. And then literally go on the screen. And they go, Pat, who do you think? And I say it was such a thwarting. Conviction. Oh, my God. I'm so proud of him.
Starting point is 00:46:05 I love that guy. That was awesome. He was unbelievable. They didn't have highlights package ready or anything like that. It's just. Now that the world's
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Starting point is 00:48:22 The guy that was spotlighted last week on Hard Knocks is an absolutely incredible member of this incredible society that is Indianapolis. A citizen that makes other people's lives better off the field and on the field absolutely dominates, ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Morris. Yay! Let's go. Hey, what's up, dude? Team Photo Day. You look clean, huh? Look clean out there. For sure. I'm trying to
Starting point is 00:48:50 take out all the noise. I hope y'all can't hear too much of it. No. All good. Can you hear us? Yeah, I'm pretty good. We're in the indoor right now. Yeah, you look incredible. Let's get to it before you have to get to your bye week. Congrats on lasting this far into the season,
Starting point is 00:49:07 going through all the hurdles that you guys have been through, starting out slow, getting hot. Now a bye week is here. Just talk about the state of mind of where you guys are at right now. We all think it's coming at that perfect timing. I mean, having that Thursday night game versus the Jets and having that mini bye week and then having four more games and, you know, having that four more games until we reach this actual bye week
Starting point is 00:49:30 and having four more games to end the regular season. So we all just want to get back mentally squared away, physically squared away, and get our rest and let's get back at it. Hey, what's your schedule like for the rest of this week? And whenever you guys break there in Indianapolis, are you going to get to go anywhere and kind of relax for a few days? For sure. So we'll break here after team photos.
Starting point is 00:49:53 And then we'll be done until next Monday. So for myself, I'll be heading to Florida where I live in the off season. And then I'm going back home in Georgia to give back. I have an event down there on Friday. And then I'll be able to see my college play on Saturday. And I'll get back up here on Sunday. Okay. Well, hey, that's awesome, by the way.
Starting point is 00:50:15 Always giving back. You're an incredible dude. Indianapolis is lucky to have you. You're undrafted. Now it feels like you're really coming into your own. Last week's hard knocks, I think, was a beautiful depiction of you as a human. Then this past game, play one was a beautiful depiction of you as a player. How, how's that happen? You just knew what they were going to do. And you're like, uh, you jumped the route or you just, are you in like the best shape
Starting point is 00:50:40 of all time that play one, you can be the most explosive human on a play. How's that happen? That was incredible. I mean, you know, Pat, AJ pat aj you know you always want to come out with a fast start so um y'all are normal to it uh and for myself it was boot um he wanted to keep the play alive i just seen him uh he kept staring at number one and i perif one but i had opened up i had to open up posture and uh usually whenever a quarterback is scrambling a receiver tries to fake like he's going deep but he'll try to break it down you know towards the sideline so um it's one of those tendencies that a lot of teams do and I just wanted to jump it is that the first time you've ever picked off the first play at any level that you've played
Starting point is 00:51:21 um first play yeah but um I've done it the second play. What do you think that does to an opposing quarterback when the first ball that leaves his hand is picked off? I can imagine that would play mind games on my confidence if I was an NFL quarterback. I mean, turning the ball over in the first play of the game was pretty good, but having JT and the offense that we have, they were able to you know come up
Starting point is 00:51:45 with points right there at that point in the game too so to be to be able to you know start the game with the ball even though you weren't supposed to get the ball that was a pretty good you know spot in the game where we can take advantage of getting the ball pretty much first in the first quarter as well as you know in third. Just an absolutely dominant win literally from the first play on against Houston. Division, I mean, they're in quite a turnover. And the way you guys have been playing to say they're a rival at this point would be, you know, a wrong statement. But they have been through the test of time.
Starting point is 00:52:17 But who cares about them now? Let's talk about you guys. In the AFC, especially in the playoff picture, as you guys go into bye week, you're going to hear all these conversations from your family and from your friends and everything. The AFC, especially in the playoff picture, as you guys go into bye week, you're going to hear all these conversations from your family and from your friends and everything. The AFC is wide open, wide open. And there's no team, offense, defense, special teams, playing as hot as you guys except for maybe the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:52:37 And we'll find out tonight if they can maintain that. Do you guys think about that? Do you acknowledge that? Do you talk about that? Because you guys started so slow? There was a lot of like what the hell happened. This roster is incredible Is there conversation amongst you guys about you guys know exactly where you can go and what you can do with this season? How it's playing out?
Starting point is 00:52:57 No doubt and we have the team meetings and you know defensive unit me and you know How good we are and you know who we can be and who's on our roster. But, I mean, I'm the type of player where I don't really care. I mean, I've already talked to the team and, you know, told them who cares what any of you think, what the world thinks. It doesn't really matter until we go out there and prove it. So that's the only way we'll get our own respect
Starting point is 00:53:23 is if we go out there and entrust each other and make the plays that we're supposed to make. And it doesn't really matter, you know, how anyone else sees us. Yeah, what's I would imagine Frank Reich feels like he has like a steady, calm demeanor. He and Carson Wentz seems like they have a great relationship. What's that like behind the scenes? What's he like in team meetings and everything? He seems like he's kind of steady and seems to always be the same guy um he's very consistent i mean like you said you know even without hard knocks being here without you know the cameras being on uh coach right uh he's always the personable guy uh he's the player's coach and uh i believe i saw uh i'm not sure if
Starting point is 00:54:03 we won or lost the game but he he said in the press conference after a game, it was a Bible verse, and he was pretty much just giving his whole spiel about what he believed in and stuff like that. And he's like that every single Wednesday. He's like that every single Thursday whenever he come and talk to the defense. So the Frank Wright that you see in the media, that's the Frank Wright you see every single day. How awesome is that to have just such a consistent figure?
Starting point is 00:54:28 And is that why you think you were able to go through what you went through this season? Because the culture never blinked behind the scenes, even when you guys weren't winning as many games early? Yeah, I mean, and it's not something that, you know, we're all new to. You know, we've been preaching this type of thing in training camp. We were already preaching that it was going to be some type of adversity that we would go through, you know, at some part of the season or multiple times during the season. But, you know, we just got to, you know, keep at our job.
Starting point is 00:54:57 We just got to keep trusting in each other and in the process to come out here strong. And that's what we're here to do. Are you near Chris Ballard right there? He's going to have to pay you. He's going to have to pay you. Hey, is he near you? You don't have to say it.
Starting point is 00:55:10 I'll say it, all right? Go ahead, Connor. Kenny, on that interception on the first play, they actually ruled it incomplete, and then you guys had to challenge it. And I don't remember if it was before the break or after, but you and a few other guys on the defense were joking around with the referee. What was that conversation like, and do you usually kind of shoot the shit with whoever's uh calling the game bro the ref didn't want to give us the ball
Starting point is 00:55:33 and and you know how it is whenever you get a turnover you got to keep that ball and for some reason i thought they had like swapped the ball out with another one um a reference sideline came out with a ball. The ref on the field already had a ball for the next play. And I was like, are y'all going for the Texans? Do y'all want us to lose this game? Or are y'all actual referees? But, yeah, we were all just laughing about it,
Starting point is 00:56:01 and we were just trying to put the pressure on the ref that was at the middle of the field. It seems like your entire defense has a great time you guys don't really talk shit much or you do i i don't really i can't get a good vibe because you guys have the most infectious energy it feels like all the time but there's not a lot of jawing with the other team either um it's not really about the other team honestly i think our energy and and our fun comes from within each other. It's about putting the pressure on each other pretty much just to make the play. Before we had even reached the field yesterday,
Starting point is 00:56:33 we were already coming up with the dance that we were going to do, and it was the crazy one that we all did yesterday after the first play of the game. And then after the fumble, we had already said that we would do hit the quants. So, actually, it's a lot of stress that goes into it. But and then after the fumble we are we had already said that we would do hit the corn so Actually, it's a lot of stress that goes into But you know to have fun to to be positive to make plays you just gotta Like I said, just trusting each other and pretty much just be kids are over again. You guys are crushing it Go Go ahead, Diggs. Kenny, what about the slot makes it like – what about the slot do you love the most?
Starting point is 00:57:09 Is it coming up and filling in the box? You get to blitz some. There's two-way goes on the wide receivers. What makes you good at that position? Oh, it is probably – I can expect action pretty much each play. If it's a run play, if it's a wayside run, maybe the runner cut back. If it's to me, I'll have to fit up a block and go make the play. If it's a pass play, I'll obviously be guarding somebody
Starting point is 00:57:36 or I'll be sitting in the zone to bait a quarterback. It's so much stuff. But, you know, playing outside corners, a lot of corners will tell you that it's easy to go to sleep, I feel like, in the league. That's probably the reason why Jalen Ramsey probably moved inside because it just got too boring on the outside for him. You know, whenever a quarterback not throwing you away, it's easy to, you know, take away a whole side of the field. But at nickel, I don't really think there's no taking you out of the game for the most part. That's hilarious to think it's like baseball, you know?
Starting point is 00:58:07 Yeah. Sitting out there in, like, right field. It's like, come on. It's a huge compliment, obviously. It's a massive compliment. It means you're really good. That would be hilarious to think that, like, I need to go do it. Can we switch?
Starting point is 00:58:19 I'd like to come inside. Don't you think, like, the tight end position is getting a lot more respect? The slot nickel D, whatever the case is, that's become something with the way offenses have been set up. Has it already kind of been separating itself as its own linebacker
Starting point is 00:58:35 safety corner hybrid position business wise or are you guys kind of slotted in to the secondary? Oh, I think it's making some type of um you know step of being acknowledged but um i think there's a long way to go as far as having the respect on the position yeah um i don't i don't think a lot of people know what goes into being a slot cornerback, but it's pretty much corner, safety, and linebacker all at once.
Starting point is 00:59:08 And then you can say it's defensive line, too, because we blitz as well. So it's pretty much all of those things all in one position, and then all the pressure falls on that one position as far as getting people lined up, communication, and just working with each other. It deserves a little bit more respect. To my own horn, but I love the position. Yeah, it sounds like it. It absolutely deserves more respect.
Starting point is 00:59:33 I think how you laid it out, you have to be able to do everything. It's not just, hey, I'm a cover guy, or I'm a guy that's a thumper. You have to do it all. Is that something? Have you always been that guy? You're a great blitzer as well, and not scared to be physical and take on blocks is that something you worked on when you were young and in college uh my last year in college i was pretty much in that in that role but it was at a much less degree um but being here with coach ibra fluce he's obviously put a lot of pressure
Starting point is 01:00:00 on me to first of all being able able to learn the defense in and out and not only learning my position, but the guys around me. And it's something that I'm still working on. And, you know, just honing in on tackling and taking pride in, you know, each trait of the position and not just, you know, covering somebody. It's not just going down and tackling somebody, but it's so many different things that you've got to take pride in to be a complete player.
Starting point is 01:00:27 How'd you not get drafted? There's a lot of people that get drafted. There's a lot of people that get drafted. What happened? How'd that happen? You run slow? Did you run a slow 40 in front of some people? No, not at all.
Starting point is 01:00:38 I run a 4-4. Woo! Fast, huh? Pretty quick, yeah. I started playing football my senior year of high school, so I didn't have the experience and exposure to go to a big school, and so I just stayed in my hometown to play at a Division II school. What'd you do before that?
Starting point is 01:00:58 Before football? Yeah. Basketball, track, soccer. Oh, soccer. Oh, I see you got good feet there you kick a little bit have to if you have to a little bit a little bit let's get let's hit the fields oh really you still gotta kick field goals and stuff all right cool go ahead kenny you mentioned it earlier with hard knocks being there is that something like obviously they did the the piece on you but
Starting point is 01:01:23 do you even notice that at all and is that something where you'd watch those episodes on like a Wednesday or you've already lived it so there's it's not necessary yeah so the cameras are around but they do their best to stay out of the way um and I think they've been doing a tremendous job of you know just letting us um hone into our job and yeah I do watch the episodes at first i didn't i didn't really uh want to get carried away with everything we had going on but i think it's important to learn about your teammates um more so beyond of the service that you talk about like we talk we talk to each other um having conversations outside of football but um i think the show tells even more about someone's story and you know that's something that i i like about it you you ever have grover's wings man he
Starting point is 01:02:11 makes them in the sink that's they really look incredible though they look incredible yeah yeah i have it's pretty good it's pretty good hey grover's gonna have his own little store chain if he gives you some going it's awesome kenny enjoy the hell out of your bye week, sir. Good luck the rest of the way, and we appreciate your time. Yes, sir. Always. Thank you. Hey, Jim Irsay, how's the photo? How's the team photo going? We already took it. Are you done taking a photo? No, they're done. They're done.
Starting point is 01:02:36 How'd it go? It's always a great day. Team photo day is always electrifying. Always. Yeah, it's cool, but it would be great to get out of here, too. Yeah, yeah. All right, ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Morris. Thank you. Thank you. We do apologize.
Starting point is 01:02:51 It is time for us to get hot. And I would like to formally announce right now that the man who will be saddling the Super Boost horse hails from Centerville, Ohio. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, and a man that is currently in the lead on the against the spread picks for week 13. Could change for tonight, though. Absolute stud of a picker, Super Boost glory taker. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Haas. Yeah! A.J.! We appreciate you, A.J.er, ladies and gentlemen, AJ Hart.
Starting point is 01:03:27 We appreciate you, AJ. We're proud of you, man. Hey, we appreciate you. Good job, AJ. Hey, how could that change tonight? You can't catch up tonight in one game. Yeah, well, actually, there was a recount, my friend. Oh, okay. That's interesting. You're still in the lead. You're still in the lead, but
Starting point is 01:03:43 there was 13 games, And the original record only had It for 12 games So they had to recount Redo the math Turns out you're only one game ahead Turns out you got better and I got worse No Cause you told me on the phone
Starting point is 01:04:01 Hey you're 8-4 but I'm 6-6 Do the math Do the math I don't-6. Do the math. This turns out to be 40 minutes later. Do the math. Do the math, please. I don't even need to do the math. It's not like the graphic means anything. What?
Starting point is 01:04:12 Dude. They take time on this graphic. I mean, it's a beautiful graphic, but I'm saying the names are placed exactly where you tell them to place them. No, I do not. I am not in on this conversation here. This is actually above me this is in a different department this is in bruce dirty that's right the gumpy department i believe is even involved zito is a part of this entire thing because he takes all the bets as an actual bet
Starting point is 01:04:37 in a parlay every single week there was a lot of we'll hit one of these a lot of minds that came together for this and i was not involved in it This is not my thing because I would not want to tamper with the outcome. Speaking of, the outcome could change after tonight's game, AJ. And before we dive into this game, which sees Bill Belichick getting two and a half points in Buffalo, we have to talk about what happened yesterday. Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Chiefs, Chargers. What do you want to dive into first, AJ?
Starting point is 01:05:04 There's a lot to fucking chat about well the Chargers I guess jumping out to an early lead and then running away kind of Cincinnati came back I don't know if Joe Burrow's pinky is not messed up is it a closer game I don't know I honestly have no idea I mean Jamar Chase did something that we hadn't seen from him since training camp right remember training camp conversation was Jamar Chase can't catch the NFL ball for whatever reason. Then he said in an interview, I think previously to getting into training camp or
Starting point is 01:05:29 maybe another time, somewhere in there, that the NFL ball is a little bit harder to catch because it's bigger or something like that. That clip got taken out of context completely and he was buried by everybody. The NFL ball is too hard to catch. He's dropping balls. This guy stinks. Then they got into the season and Joey Burrow was like,
Starting point is 01:05:46 everybody needs to fucking relax. Throws him a touchdown every single quarter, basically, to start that entire thing. He becomes a guy. Early, you know, bobble, throw into the Charger guy's hand. At 22 miles an hour, they're doing this, by the way. Or 20 miles an hour, they're doing this, by the way. Absolutely insane play.
Starting point is 01:06:04 And then that kind of just set it all up, AJ. there was a little bit of a moment there where it felt like joey b was coming back into it and joey b was the ultimate ohioan with the you know the aj hawk pinky oh yeah the whole thing deal i'm fucking coming out don't wrap it i don't need that stupid glove it's not comfortable get me out of here don't just cut the pinky off of the glove. No. No, no, no. No, no. Take the whole fucking glove off. I'm from Ohio.
Starting point is 01:06:29 This is Ohio. We don't have an indoor facility. Do your thing. Incredible toughness. Then that fumbles, scoop, and score. I mean, it was – I think the Chargers won that game pretty mightily. I don't know what it looks like for the Bengals going forward. They're so hit or miss, AJ.
Starting point is 01:06:43 So are the Chargers, though, I guess. Yeah, the Bengals are. I mean, the Bengalsles defense still can play at a very high level at times i think if joe burrow if the pinky's not a huge deal i think they're gonna be all right man i don't know they every who isn't hit or miss this year though in the nfl who has been steady consistent we can count on you okay so let's go to that team tyler murray and the arizona cardinals if he's playing in d hops playing pretty consistent operation, especially with how that defense has been playing. They go into Chicago.
Starting point is 01:07:09 This is a big-time statement win, I think. Not just for us pundit idiots, but also inside the locker room. Because maybe there would be a little bit of doubt from somebody saying, in the playoffs, we're going to have to go on the road and win somewhere difficult. We're going to have to deal with these conditions that are miserable. And Cliff Kingsbury said, boys, I'm going to look cool as shit. All right? I'm going to wear a flat bill.
Starting point is 01:07:29 I'm going to do this whole thing. Nagy's going to have that beanie twisted on his head, and we're just going to do our thing. Now, there was a couple of bobbles and things like that, but I think the Cardinals, just very much unlike last year. Last year, they were inconsistent as shit. I lost a lot of money off. I mean, so much money riding with them blindly every single week.
Starting point is 01:07:48 They were so up and down. They'd be so great and then so awful. This year, it feels like they are a team 10-2 right now. Nobody's looking like that. No, and you mentioning the fact that they went into Chicago, and it was crazy. They showed how windy it was. Was that the game where they were showing ponchos
Starting point is 01:08:03 that people couldn't get off? Yeah. So that was not Zito. That was not me. Because it did look like a Zito production with how it looked like a garbage bag that didn't have holes. And then the person thought magically there would be holes. Apparently that guy got suffocated either. A lot of people thought that he died.
Starting point is 01:08:18 He did not die. He's actually right here. No moment of silence for Zito. There was a hot dog hole in there, though. Oh, yeah. Call that a glory hole. That was the only one. All right, AJ.
Starting point is 01:08:37 But, hey, them winning a cold, windy game, I think it proves to themselves more than – Yeah, they're always wondering in the back of their mind, too. Like, yeah, we are. When we have this grass that, as you say, takes a walk outside to grow and then comes back in, and we have these perfect conditions yeah we're an explosive team but if we can go on the road on the worst field in the nfl which chicago by far worst grass in the nfl with windy conditions it's rainy it's wet yeah you can go in there it's pretty good man and i don't i mean yeah the bears the bears are still all right you can't say like oh they beat the bears it's still still an NFL squad.
Starting point is 01:09:06 It has plenty of talent on the team. Thank you. You talked to Andy Dalton within the last like 12 hours? I have not. Why? How's he doing, man? Call him up. There's a couple.
Starting point is 01:09:15 I mean, he made some plays, did some other stuff. Every time, I'm sick of seeing miserable Andy Dalton on a football field. You know what I mean? Because at Cincinnati, it was just so cool to watch. He won like 11 games. How many did you guys win? There was like 10 win seasons in like four or five straight years. We maybe won 12 the year I was there.
Starting point is 01:09:36 He won so much, but he was this game manager. This game, exactly. And then they couldn't really get going whenever it had to happen. But also, I mean, I don't think they had a scouting department. Nope. I don't think they had a chef. I'm not sure about that. They didn't have an indoor.
Starting point is 01:09:54 So Andy Dalton, I think, has won a lot in conditions that not a lot of quarterbacks probably could have. So I always, you know, wish for the best of Andy Dalton and for Andy Dalton because I met him down at the Pro Bowl. No big deal. I made it. Ayo. Ayo. It was pretty cool. I don't mean that. It's a joke. It's all a popularity thing.
Starting point is 01:10:16 I mean, you've got to take all of these awards that aren't being voted on by people that are actually doing it into definitely a count. Except the Heisman Radio and the Hashtag Awards. Well, that's those mostly. Those mostly. But the entire thought of Andy Dalton being –
Starting point is 01:10:32 what do they do the rest of the year? Justin Fields just takes his lumps the rest of the year. They move on and they – I mean, what are they – Zito, you were there yesterday trying to get that thing on. What is the feel around Chicago? There has to be some sort of optimism, guess because justin fields is there but what if justin fields isn't he might be uh hey he might be a guy everybody everything says he has the potential to be a guy but stats and shit say there's there's a chance he's not as well what is the thought
Starting point is 01:10:59 around chicago chicago just wants nagging pace out at any cost that's it that's all it is right now one narrative they like field still uh they liked andy for a little bit but they they hate Chicago. Chicago just wants Nagy and Pace out at any cost. That's it. That's all it is right now. One narrative. They like Fields still. They liked Andy for a little bit, but they hate him now after yesterday. Do they want to vote that, though? Nagy and Pace? Is it a package deal? Well, what I heard, they're going to give Pace a higher job, like a president. Oh, an Elway type job.
Starting point is 01:11:19 And then bring their GM in. Well, that's what Elway did, right? Elway's sitting up there in the top box with some, he got a whole team there. No, everybody told me it was sunflower seeds. That's what the internet told me about him.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Oh, not a chance. I was like, I don't know if you've ever sat with somebody who had a massive amount of fucking dip in their mouth. Yeah, not a chance. That dream would be big time.
Starting point is 01:11:38 Elway's feeling in a much better place now. He's got no control over anything, although everybody was bashing him for starting teddy bridgewater over drew lock i got a lot of tweets from like tell him to stop blah blah blah
Starting point is 01:11:49 it's like i don't know him personally i don't think i could tell him anything but he got in that promotion out of an actual role thing you know to himself now he's president of operations then he'll be a gm how much shade does he still have? Is it still his thing or is general manager George Patton in charge of everything? From what I've heard, and when I say that, I mean Michael Lombardi said this on his podcast. So what he heard or what he knows is that Elway's still pulling all the strings and making all the decisions. They got this guy in there, and I don't know if it was PR to move Elway up to an elevated position, but he's the one pulling all the strings still. Interesting, because that could be the blueprint for the future.
Starting point is 01:12:31 Why make the move, though? Why do that? Okay, so if you think, all right, let's put the thinking cap on. I think this is pretty good. Yeah, I need to know. Maybe you're trying to mentor him, but why are you bringing on an extra salary and paying another person? No, so who cares about the salary if you're going to be good? So if you believe in somebody's plan, but the public opinion isn't a good one on this person, okay?
Starting point is 01:12:51 So you get him out of a role of public power, put him in a private role of power, let somebody else be the new face that can kind of take shots if you believe that this person's plan could eventually work without having to face the music of not making any changes to be a better team. kind of take shots if you believe that this person's plan could eventually work without having to face the music of not making any changes to be a better team is that what denver did the old figure the old figurehead model yeah the old puppet model yeah the whole like isn't it possible elway didn't want to be the guy having to make all those decisions he's like man i've been performing on the elite level his whole life did this gm thing. Like, maybe I don't want the day-to-day stress that comes with this. Let me have a role where I can go shake hands and take care of people.
Starting point is 01:13:29 First of all, what you're saying is very valid. To all the incredibly wealthy people that sign up to do jobs that require full-time bullshit, I have the utmost respect. John Elway had like 7,000 car dealerships or something like that in Denver. He's like a notorious businessman, has all that money, still wanted to work. I think a lot of Broncos fans would say, thanks for the Super Bowl. Payton was awesome. A lot of decisions that are head scratchers.
Starting point is 01:13:54 Brock Osweiler's still getting paid, I think, from the Broncos at this moment to be quarterback for them. So I agree. Maybe he is just kind of stepping down for less work and going into a consulting position where he'll come in. I don't like it. Nope.
Starting point is 01:14:08 All right. Oh, yeah. I like that. Don't do that. Consulting roles are the best. They're in every field, I guess. These motherfuckers have the gig. I mean, that is no responsibility, no accountability, but they got ideas.
Starting point is 01:14:21 It's fucking good for them, whoever. And you get cash. If you're good, you can go in there, spend three and a half days with a company, and get paid nice money. I think everything you're doing is wrong. Let me fix it. I had a guy tell me after coming out of the draft or whatever, or coming out of my senior year into the draft,
Starting point is 01:14:39 he was watching me kick down at the senior bowl, and he said, oh, I see so many things wrong or whatever you know wait who is this guy for who is that i'm not saying his name i'm not saying but he is a coach i don't know i don't know what he is okay he said i see so much wrong with you or whatever and i'm like okay what is it he's like well you pay me thirteen thousand dollars a day and come out to my kicking home we have an entire facility i will get you right or whatever and i said what is one thing though you know like maybe we could well i would have to use my state-of-the-art technology to really explain everything to you at my facility no way this
Starting point is 01:15:17 really happened really happened yeah yeah absolutely and down to senior bowl you know you're told like hey be on your p's and q's. Everybody could be, like, an NFL GM or whatever. So I'm, like, trying to have, like, a good conversation with this guy while literally thinking in the back of my head, I should smack this motherfucker right in the mouth. But it's, like, a very—it was an interesting balance. But, yeah, that's like consultants. That's where, hey, I can tell you how to fix this whole thing. Well, can you tell me one? Well, that's going to cost you.
Starting point is 01:15:43 Every thought isn't free, okay, especially from me. And that's how they roll there. But maybe that's how Elway is. Maybe that's what Pace will grow up to be. He'll get promoted into a consulting position where he'll get to come in and spread the good words, good thoughts whenever he wants to or has to. Obviously, Sertain has turned into an unbelievable corner, but wasn't that the thought why Denver didn't take a quarterback?
Starting point is 01:16:04 Because Locke was Elway's guy. And if Patton took a quarterback, he'd basically be writing off Drew Locke. Yeah, and disrespecting Elway's kind of plan going forward. Wasn't that a narrative at least? I have no idea. For a little bit. I thought it was. So then would Pace, whoever's next, like Justin Fields, Pace's guy,
Starting point is 01:16:22 be disrespectful? It's almost pretty similar. I mean, it's a pretty similar i mean it's pretty similar situation absolutely i mean the bears should bring in you know right now the star pupil of the bill belichick front office academy matt patricia perhaps maybe have him turn the whole thing matt patricia the last one to sign off on mac jones getting drafted don't ever forget about it boom aj don't i will not i have a ton of respect for patricia but i do wonder is he going to get another uh chance to become a head coach in the nfl no way i don't. I will not. I have a ton of respect for Patricia, but I do wonder, is he going to get another chance to become a head coach in the NFL? No way.
Starting point is 01:16:47 I don't think he wants to be. Even with time? Six, seven years from now. Feels like Matt Patricia probably doesn't want to be. I mean, after talking to him down there, radio row. Oh, man. But he wants to coach. You're saying he just doesn't want to be a head coach?
Starting point is 01:16:59 I don't think he wants to be a head coach. I think he just likes – I don't think he likes dealing with all the bullshit. I think he's like, hey, a ball guy. He's a think he likes dealing with all the bullshit. I think he's a ball guy. He's a football guy. Yeah, I like ball. He's loving ball. This guy loves ball. Oh, man.
Starting point is 01:17:11 There was a lot of that yesterday on the internet. A lot of it. Loving ball, dude. Everybody loves ball. It's terrible. It's terrible. Everybody loves ball. Gardner Minshew does love ball, though.
Starting point is 01:17:22 Yeah, Gardner Minshew loves his dad, too, and he's excited in his post-game celebration. You talk about Flint? Fucking Flint Minshew, dude? Fucking heck, come on. Hey, we fucking still got it. We did it, man. Think about all the travel, all the hours, all the days.
Starting point is 01:17:36 That's so awesome. Yes, all the days those two have spent together working on getting to this moment. Hasn't had a win as a starter since last year, week one. Obviously, he gets thrusted into a position in Jacksonville that's insane. They move forward. He goes to Philly. He gets a chance to play again.
Starting point is 01:17:54 Minshew mania was down in Jacksonville heavy. Head bandanas and shit was being sold around the stadium. Jorts were being worn by everybody that wasn't already wearing them in Jacksonville because of this dude. And that moment between the son and dad, like that's what gets me, I think, the most. Those are the ones in sports that get me the most because Tim McAfee had to shag like fucking 40 balls a night
Starting point is 01:18:18 and he blew out his entire shoulder while we're jumping fences to go kick on fields. You know, so whenever i potentially kick off a super bowl like i know i know tim you know like i know he feels like hey we did it or whatever that gardener gardener flint situation there so cool that is an awesome awesome thing there but it just seemed so like authentic an organic situation yeah there's fans like behind the fence yelling but yeah i'm sure you can relate. A lot of times when dudes get super juiced, like, you just beat the hell out of each other.
Starting point is 01:18:50 And that's kind of what happened there. And I love seeing that. Like, Gardner couldn't let it go. Like, he just had to keep reconnecting. I'm like, this is awesome. And his dad was all for it. How about Flint Minshew in there? All right, man.
Starting point is 01:19:01 I don't have fucking pads on. All right. The jacket Awesome Good shot There's one Break every knuckle Give me another one
Starting point is 01:19:09 There we go Another one A little Cracker Roman He like Rests his head On his dad's shoulder It's like the sweetest thing ever
Starting point is 01:19:17 Yeah I think so too That's the real moment You know Right here Right there Look at that Yeah Jeez
Starting point is 01:19:23 Hey good for you Yeah Love and ball man let's talk about what sirianni gotta sign that guy up man if you're a coach all right what is uh yeah who who flint both of them yeah i think so let's let's talk about sirianni though yeah hey we're running the ball gardner mincher's hitting the tight end a lot. Coach Sirianni, big time, big time win over a team that, you know, I saw Salah, Donna, I mean, doing his thing. But this is a massive, massive win with Gardner Minshew at the helm.
Starting point is 01:19:57 What did you see in Gardner, Coach Sirianni, and basically the team that you knew you were going to win this weekend? Well, if you remember correctly, back to the draft, I was one-on-one with Gardner and Midshield, and we took our shirts off. We were playing horse and stuff like that. And I'm like, this guy is so fucking competitive. I need this guy.
Starting point is 01:20:13 And it's unfortunate because bye-bye, Jalen. You're done. You're done, buddy. I got a new quarterback. Now, how can you say no to this guy? How can you fucking say no to this guy? Grant, you mentioned it. The Jets stink.
Starting point is 01:20:25 I mean, it might be time to move on from Bob Sala already. I mean, hey, everyone talking about Dan Campbell and, you know, all that kind of stuff. That guy is not good. Their defense stinks. I thought he was a defensive guy. He's got no juice. But Gardner Minshew is going to, I mean, we're going to win the division. Obviously, we proved that yesterday.
Starting point is 01:20:45 He's going to be our quarterback moving forward. Quarterback. Quarterback. As your quarterback, let's talk about the quarterback position. You just said bye-bye to Jalen. What are you doing? You're cutting him? I thought you guys had a lot in common.
Starting point is 01:20:59 I thought you saw the world the same way. I thought just weeks ago you guys were bestest of friends. No, no, we're not cutting, but guess what? He ain't playing quarterback for the rest of the season. Jalen, what? He basically goes 9 of 18 for 112 yards and runs for 70 yards every
Starting point is 01:21:16 week. That's fun. We can do that, but that's not going to win us football games down the stretch. Gardner Minshew, what? 80% completion percentage yesterday? AJ, your question for Coach. Coach, are you going to push the PR department to start selling, like, Gardner Minshew headbands and do all the things that Jacksonville didn't
Starting point is 01:21:35 really get on board with this guy? We'll see. I mean, I think that was kind of childish and kind of dumb. I don't know why they're doing that. But, I mean, hey, you heard the fans in the stadium. They love this guy. They've already forgotten about Jalen. Hey, Coach, real quick.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Who's more jacked, you or Gardner? You said you had your shirts off playing horse. Oh, you didn't see it in the locker room, but you saw him shoving his dad. We did that with each other in the locker room for 15, 16. I mean, my chest hurts. You guys already got that father-son? Yeah, absolutely. My chest hurts so fucking bad from how much we were pushing each other
Starting point is 01:22:04 back and forth. I mean, we. He felt it, too, though. Oh, yeah. fucking bad from how much we were pushing each other back and forth. He felt it too, though. Oh, yeah. He's going to be pretty beat up. He's on the injury list. Honestly, yeah. Jalen might have to play next week. We fucking went at each other big time. That's a big win. That's a big win. We're not dead yet. Go ahead. Go ahead. CJ Mosley said that your team was fucking disrespectful
Starting point is 01:22:20 to the Jets on and off the field. Oh, yeah. No handshake. Yeah, no handshake. Like, what's going on with that? Yeah, boo-hoo, that's dog mentality. That's what we preach around here. I mean, if you don't want to be a dog, you know, I mean, hey, bark or bite, you know.
Starting point is 01:22:35 We bite. You know, you can bark before the game, all that bullshit. But it's a dog mentality around here. Wow. That was your best word. Wow. Thank you, Coach. Thank you, Coach. best work. Wow. Thank you, Coach. Thank you, Coach.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Thank you, Coach. Coach. He's the host of the Man to Man podcast, a nine-year NFL vet, and also host of Everything DB. Ladies and gentlemen, teammate of mine, incredibly intelligent man, dad of the year, Darius Butler. Hey! Hey!
Starting point is 01:23:05 Depot, what's going on, man? Not too much, man. H-Bud, what's going on, man? Not too much, man. Hanging in there. What's going on, fellas? Just hanging out. I'm in the middle of, obviously, an epic golf ball bout, so I apologize for not looking at the screen currently. But Darius, let's dive right into it.
Starting point is 01:23:19 What the fuck were the Vikings doing yesterday? What was that? How's that happen, D-Bud? How is that even a situation that we have to be miserable because of with the Superboost dying as the Lions get their first win on the last second play?
Starting point is 01:23:33 I heard Tone earlier go down their historically bad two-minute defense, which is shocking. You know, with Zimmer, obviously been at the helm, but that was terrible, man. You let golf drop down, no timeouts, but then you got it all on the line, with Zimmer, obviously been at the helm. But that was terrible, man. You let it go off, drive down, no timeouts. But then you got it all on the line, one play.
Starting point is 01:23:48 Like AJ said earlier, you got to defend that goal line. Like, I mean, you got to defend that with your life. You have to make the receiver run you into the end zone. So, the corner played it way too soft. I mean, the play call isn't terrible. Some people you either send max pressure, you go max coverage. But either one of them, the advantage is still on the defense. You just got to execute better.
Starting point is 01:24:08 Terrible by the player and bad by the coaching staff as well. D, but on that last play, do you think it was a communication error with the DB being three or four yards deep in the end zone? Was he waiting for some kind of inside receiver breaking out and he was protecting himself? Because if you're not in front of the goal line like they're going to score they're going to turn around and score yeah it's a touchdown yeah exactly i mean i don't i don't see in any possible communication error honestly i mean
Starting point is 01:24:35 that's something you got to practice that's something and any any anybody knows on any level like hey last play the game fourth down don't let this guy in the end zone. So it was inexplicable by 27. He was almost in a bell when you look at, like, the screenshots of it. He was bailing out like he was in the middle of the field, afraid to get beat deep, and let the guy just hook it up right between him and the safeties. I mean, it was just horrible. Detroit Lions did everything they could possibly do to lose that game before that.
Starting point is 01:25:02 And then golf and MCDC got their first win. So, you know, shout out to Foxy. Hey, shout out, Foxy. Shout out, Foxy. We're all incredibly happy for you. Thank you. You banned it from the Super Boos. I heard.
Starting point is 01:25:15 That's fucked up. No, not on me. I didn't ban. Tone did. That was a recommendation. No, Tone said, please. You're banned. You're banned.
Starting point is 01:25:23 You're banned. You're banned. Classic Tone tone by the way Let's move to a different story that involves tone Ben Roethlisberger say boys One last trip around the Ferris wheel here one more go for the old Gipper That is Ben Roethlisberger your thoughts on that potentially motivating the squad and what happened to the Ravens What's going on in Baltimore? Ravens are looking good.
Starting point is 01:25:48 Lamar, he's not looking good. Four and a half points either way with this game, this matchup, at this point in the season, I thought was too many points. Went with the Steelers at home. It was a lot of outside noise, a lot of stuff Tomlin had to address. Obviously, the Big Benors about him retiring after this Season came out So it was kind of expected
Starting point is 01:26:10 You expect that game to come down to a last play or a field goal Something like that, it came down to a two point conversion You know, Lamar A little overthrow, maybe Andrew slows down a little bit TJ Watt gets pressure TJ Watt's looking like defensive player of the year Minka had a nice pick early on in the season, but the recipe right now for defenses is
Starting point is 01:26:27 pressure Lamar and force him to beat you with his arm. Hey D, but tonight the Patriots are underdogs against the Buffalo Bills. I know Bill Belichick would never publicly even let people know that he understands they're underdogs, but do you think
Starting point is 01:26:43 I'm sure he would be aware of this, he wants to run it up tonight being an underdog? You know what, I don't think he cares much about being an underdog, but being that he's one day into having a number one seed in the AFC, I don't think it's a chance in hell he goes up there to Buffalo and let Sean McDermott, Josh Allen take that away from him. So I think they go up there and handle business. They get points.
Starting point is 01:27:05 Saban got points this weekend. A-Rod got points at home at Lambeau. I mean, Big Ben getting points at home. Like, I mean, hey, I got to go with Belichick and the Patriots to cover and win tonight. One of those things is not like the other, but nonetheless, good point was made there with Bill Belichick getting points on a Monday night football game. You talking shit about Big Ben? Huh?
Starting point is 01:27:27 You talking shit about Big Ben? No, I'm just, it's a game like two truths and a lie. Let everybody guess. You know what I mean? Like, let everybody guess. You know what I mean? I mean, I've been watching the Ravens this last month. So, I mean, that was, that was, there's a lot of points against that defense.
Starting point is 01:27:40 But. Hold on. So, you think Ben Roethlisberger all the way back, this one for the Gipper thing, is good news? He's going to finish this thing hot? I wouldn't go that far, but I wouldn't count him out either. I wouldn't count him out either, especially knowing he has however many games left in that stadium. You know, I can't count him out, especially with that defense.
Starting point is 01:27:59 It's not like he has to go out and put up 35, 38 points a game. If that defense can start playing well, especially when Hayden gets back in the mix, they could definitely win some games. I mean, nobody in that division looks like a world beater. Ravens, they're down to earth. Browns suck. Bengals, who knows what Burroughs Pinky's going to do the next few weeks. So, I mean, they're not dead.
Starting point is 01:28:19 They're far from dead. Okay, so to be clear, I agree with everything you just said. far from dead. Okay, so to be clear, I agree with everything you just said, but you said Saban, Belichick, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger. Mike Tomlin. Let's go Mike Tomlin. Okay, Mike Tomlin.
Starting point is 01:28:34 Mike Tomlin. Okay. Yeah, what's the problem? What's that? All first ballot Hall of Famers. Every single one. That's true. All right. I mean, valid, I guess. Two circles. But not in the same conversation. I mean, they might be in that conversation together, but there is a different conversation. No offense.
Starting point is 01:28:49 I'll never be in that conversation. Neither of those. I'll never be in any of those. But, I mean, Belichick, Saban, Aaron Rodgers. Two Super Bowls. Points at home. That's all I'm saying. Mount Rushmore.
Starting point is 01:29:00 All right, all right, all right. Let's move on. Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Hey, what if he goes on and wins this one too? Just like Jerome Bettis did in his last year. What if this is the year that Ben Roethlisberger goes on a run? Let's pivot to Tom Brady and the Buccaneers.
Starting point is 01:29:15 They look unbelievable. Vita Vea doesn't get talked about enough. Last week, I saw him change the identity of the Indianapolis Colts. All right? He ate a helmet with his mouth. He lost a tooth. He shut down Jonathan Taylor in the run game early. So much so that Frank actually said, fuck it.
Starting point is 01:29:31 I ain't messing with Vita, Sue, and the boys on the D-line. Then yesterday, he did this swim dance. It might have been a surf dance from the Big Oos. He is a game wrecker. With the way that offense is going with gronk if ab comes back healthy they might be primed to do it again d but yeah i mean that would be my best favorite and that's obviously them and the packers but i mean brady he's obviously a betting favorite for the mvp uh vita vea he's not even back all the way back yet he's still dominating uh they got
Starting point is 01:30:01 playmakers on both sides of the ball sean mur Murphy, Bunton getting back in the fold. Carlton Davis. I mean, this is the time of year. Last year when they got hot and went on the run. It's going to be pretty much the same this year. It's looking like I wouldn't want to play that team right now. Buss on offense. Gronk had that little mini break in the middle of the season.
Starting point is 01:30:20 So he's going to be fresh. AB will be back in two, three weeks. No. They're cutting him. They're. No, they're cutting him. They're cutting him. Wait, what? That came out? I didn't hear that. No, no, that's the conversation. That's the conversation.
Starting point is 01:30:32 I didn't expect it either when I saw the headline. I was like, oh, that's not real. Could you imagine if Bruce Aarons was like, hey, fucking fake the vaccination card. Get him out of here. That would shock me. That would shock me. With everything else that has gone on.
Starting point is 01:30:47 Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, D-Boy, you just mentioned the Bucs and the Packers, but what about the Cardinals? Do we think they're going to be in it towards the end? Because they seem to be a machine right now. Yeah. I mean, everything they've shown us this season, there's no reason for you not to expect them to be there.
Starting point is 01:31:01 Came out of the gate week one, and they haven't really slowed down. Even when they lost Kyler, lost DeHop for some weeks. They look the best on both sides of the ball. The only reason I would still have them kind of in that three spot and everybody else in the NFC is kind of outside looking in is just because I haven't seen that team, that quarterback, that coach, do it in December, do it in January when it counts the most. I've seen it in Green Bay done.
Starting point is 01:31:25 I've seen it done in Tampa in New England with Brady and those coaching staff. So I just haven't seen it yet. But, I mean, everything they've shown us this year, they'll definitely be in it. Kyler looks so cool. Yeah, yeah. So easy. He looks so cool.
Starting point is 01:31:38 And I guess I didn't watch the full game Zito did because it was a Bears team and he's watching until, you know, maybe they get good again in the future which might happen that was miserable weather he said the collar did not look like perfect throughout the game but I it did fourth and two they throw a 30 yard bomb on the dime to dehop in the middle of that rain wind I just think that was a big time win for the Cardinals as a team I think you know just kind of getting back into this thing in Chicago with how miserable it was up there. I think it's going to be big for them. Go on, Ty.
Starting point is 01:32:08 D-Butt, next to Gumpy, you are the biggest Dolphins fan I know. We were talking last time you were on on Friday about whether you'd have, you know, take Burrow or Herbert in the first round. Are we sure Tua isn't that guy? I mean, is Tua the guy moving forward? Dolphins have won five in a row, looking pretty good. Are they going to make, you to make a playoff push here? What the hell is going on?
Starting point is 01:32:28 I wouldn't say playoff push, but they are looking damn good. I'm still standing on that kiddie table for Tua. I like him, man. He's won four games in a row now. I think he's got over 100 passing rating. So you've got to love what you're seeing from him. You're seeing development. I think they continue to build that O-line and continue to get
Starting point is 01:32:45 more weapons around him. He'll keep getting better, man, but I mean, that Burrow Herbert conversation, I think it's still out of those two. If you're building it, then Tua will come right after that, but he's far from a slouch. He's looking better and better. I'm happy about it. Those still shots of lefties throwing the ball look so awkward.
Starting point is 01:33:02 You know, because they're still shots of him. His arm just looks, it's like probably perfect form is how it's supposed to be, but that's like what the lefties are. Yeah, I mean, that just looks so awkward, you know, but he's precise. He is. He drops dimes. I don't know why there's all these conversations about moving on from him,
Starting point is 01:33:22 why they did what they, he's a guy. It feels like Gumpy. It legitimately feels like he might, I don't know if the did what they... He's a guy, it feels like, Gumpy. It legitimately feels like he might... Now, I don't know if the Dolphins will ever generate a guy. You know, it takes more than just the player that... But it feels like he's a guy, Gump. Yeah, and the reason the plays are short and he doesn't throw it far
Starting point is 01:33:38 is because the O-line stinks. That's by design. That's all they can do right now. He's an absolute player. Go ahead, Diggs. Hey, D-Butt, if you're a defender, if you're a defense, who would you rather go against, Gardner Minshew or Jalen Hurts? Whoa!
Starting point is 01:33:53 Whoa! Whoa! I mean, I would rather play against Minshew just because he can't hurt us as much with his legs. He played great, though. He played great. But if I'm on that team, I would still want Jalen Hurts to be my starting quarterback going forward for sure. But, I mean, Minshew, he's good enough to be a starter in this league for sure.
Starting point is 01:34:15 I mean, you look around the league, he's good enough to be a starter. He lost a bunch of games in Jacksonville, of course, but terrible team, terrible surrounding cast, supporting cast, kind of what you talked about with Tua. But I would rather play Minshew than Hurts right now. Hey, going back to the Bucs quick, how would you cover Gronk? Like if you're a D coordinator, what are you supposed to do to cover him? I mean, he's one of those dudes that even when he's covered, he's open. Even at this stage of his career.
Starting point is 01:34:43 You're going to try to jam him at the line and just make sure his release is two seconds late. Yeah, you try. But what type of – you got to – you need Vita Vea to jam him to really knock him off. You know what I mean? So you can get somebody in front of him that reroutes him. But once he actually gets into that defense and gets going downfield – and you see him.
Starting point is 01:35:01 They're like two kids on the sideline. They're talking about, hey, you saw him? And it's just like he throws guys off. I mean, he's a monster uh he's been one of the best he'll be the first battle hall of famer obviously he's had the same guy throwing the ball for that long so when they had that type of report it's it's not much you can do uh it's not much you can do with that honestly especially with the other weapons around them with god with evans with i mean it's just it's just a lot. Evans made some big-time plays, and I was like, oh, Evans is back. Okay, so that's great news for everybody, including Gronk, right?
Starting point is 01:35:31 But Gronk is also great news for Mike Evans. And then you add in Godwin being an absolute stud. That offense, if they continue to get hot, like they've won by double digits the last two weeks or whatever, it's looked rather easy for them as of late although there has been games this season where we go oh the bucket is a stick how is this i mean you watch them though even though they've been winning these last couple weeks you watch them you're still if you're watching the games like yo it's they can still
Starting point is 01:35:57 play much better like they didn't play i wouldn't say they played nearly their best um yesterday but they can play better. And you said Mike Evans' back. Mike Evans, the thing with him is he controls that middle of the field safety. So regardless if he's putting up numbers or getting catched or not, if I'm a defender, D coordinator, DB coach, my middle, my post safety wherever playing single high, I have to be leaned over the 13th way.
Starting point is 01:36:25 So that's held on whoever's guarding 87 up the seam. And then when you get 81 back outside 14, so that's the dilemma you're always met with with that team. Oh, so Tom just gets to do whatever he wants. Well, well, well. Let's talk about another team that we watch and we go, oh, those motherfuckers can get a lot better and they're still winning. The Chiefs. Patrick Mahomes still top five quarterback in passing yards.
Starting point is 01:36:44 Tyreek Hill still top five wide receiver in receiving yards. They get a win. No passing touchdowns. Patrick Mahomes still top five quarterback in passing yards. Tyreek Hill still top five wide receiver in receiving yards. They get a win. No passing touchdowns. And the only conversation I think today, aside from how much of that tin did John Elway have in his mouth? I think he had the full thing. Aside from that conversation, it's just like
Starting point is 01:37:00 are we going to see the Chiefs ever really get fully back into that dominant offense? They can just flip the switch, which I think is why everybody still says they're the team that's going to run through the AFC, even though how hot the Patriots are and the Colts, and we'll talk about that in a second. But what do you think it is? Do you think they're still going to be able to do that whenever a push comes to shove down the line? I mean, that's the team. That's the quarterback you've got to trust the most right now on the AFC side.
Starting point is 01:37:22 And he's not playing well. Another game, not throwing a touchdown. Kelsey Hill, they're putting up stats, but if you're watching the game, they're not dominating the games like they're usually doing. But these last four or five weeks, a good part of it is that defense. That defense is balling. The defense is dominating. Even Sorensen.
Starting point is 01:37:40 Sorensen got him a nice pick six last night. He's been getting beat on and picked on throughout the media and teams and stuff like that all year. So to see him get his play, that defense is playing great. And you got to just expect at this point in the season, this offense is going to have to click at some point. So I would still be terrified to run into that team late in the season or in the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:38:01 How about the Colts? They're getting hot right now. They fed Jonathan Taylor. It was a dominant game literally from the first snap with Kenny Moore, who joined us about an hour and 15 minutes ago with a pick on Tyrod Taylor, who got hurt. Remember the silence with Tyrod Taylor's health? All right.
Starting point is 01:38:18 Hope you come back, Tyrod. Good luck, Tyrod. Shout out to you. He's Tyrod. I think he had some ligament stuff, right? Week to week. That stinks. He still to you. He's Tyrod. I think he had some ligament stuff, right? Week to week. That stinks. He still owes me 20 public push-ups, but I love Tyrod Taylor.
Starting point is 01:38:29 But they got killed yesterday, the Texans. This Colts team, hey, let's go, D-Butt. We're finding it. Frank Wright fed Jonathan. Why is T.Y. not in down in the red zone? But Jonathan Taylor, two tugs. This guy's getting the rock. The team has found their identity again, hopefully.
Starting point is 01:38:45 Yeah, feed them. You This guy's getting the rock. The team has found their identity again, hopefully. Yeah, feed them. You guys said it, what was that, Friday? You talked about them being 31 and run defense. And they took advantage of that, obviously, fed JT. And this is what you got to do at this point in the season. When you play bad teams, you just got to beat the shit out of them. Like, you can't be close. You can't give them life early.
Starting point is 01:39:02 You just got to beat the dog shit out of them. That's what they did in a division. So, you know, it's tough going on a roll in your division. I don't care, you know, what the records are. You saw what happened in Minnesota. So, they handle business. So, you love to see it. This is the point of the season where it's kind of not much room for error for the Colts.
Starting point is 01:39:17 Still an outside chance. You know, we can win a division, especially with what's going on in Tennessee. So, I'd love to see it yesterday. Well, we appreciate you stopping by. Do you respect, do you know Kenny Morwell? Oh, yeah. Love Kenny, man. I love the type of player he is.
Starting point is 01:39:32 Coming in, I was with him as a rookie. And that was the year we drafted, you know, Malik first round. We had Quincy second round. And then I think Kenny was cut from New England and it came over right after training camp. He was just a sponge, you know, always on point in meetings, always paying attention. So it's not surprising to me at all. We still talk a lot during the season.
Starting point is 01:39:51 It doesn't surprise me at all, his success. So smart, man. He affects the game, run game, pass game, blitzing, everything. So I love to see – I love seeing Kenny ball out, man. He got to get paid. Chris, you paid him early. You signed him long. Smart move. But you got to cough that chicken up. Chris, you paid him early. You signed him long. Smart move.
Starting point is 01:40:05 But you got to cough that chicken up. Yeah, it might happen. You got to take care of your chickens, man. Joining us every Monday. We can't thank him enough. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Starting point is 01:41:37 not against Tommy Fury, who backed out as of yesterday or this morning. He'll be fighting Tyron Woodley for the second time, defeating him the first time. Ladies and gentlemen, Jake Paul. Yeah! What's up, dude? What's going on, guys? Thank you for having me.
Starting point is 01:41:55 Hey, thank you for joining us. I mean, people mock the faces here on the screen immediately upon you arriving. You have that Ohio jawline that AJ has, two doors over. We can't thank you enough for joining us. What happened? How long have you known you weren't going to be fighting Tommy Fury, and how devastated are you by this news? Only about 24 hours now.
Starting point is 01:42:18 To be honest, I'm pretty sad, man. You get your mind so set on one opponent, and all the shit talk, all the personal shit that led up to it, I really wanted to fight this guy and KO him. It was personal. Now that I don't get to do it, this is the first time I'm even talking about it. First show I'm even talking about it. It sucks.
Starting point is 01:42:41 It sucks. I really, really wanted to take him out on December 18th. But luckily, Tyron stepped up to the plate. My team called me and they were like, hey, this is what's going on. I was like, okay, cool. I'll fight anybody. The show must go on. Did they give you any kind of story?
Starting point is 01:42:56 Like what was the reason? I know what he's saying. He has some kind of medical issue. And, like, was it pretty much just 24 hours ago you found out? Was Tyron sitting back waiting as the backup all along yeah so they called me up and at first it was a chest infection and they said he had a cough and they were taking antibiotics and so on and so forth to see if it would get better and then they called up and were like oh by the way like he also has broken ribs so the whole thing just seems a little bit sketchy,
Starting point is 01:43:26 and we can't get a clear answer, right? He also faked his mom being sick so that he didn't have to go to the press conference. So that was a red flag early on, and I think it just really comes down to this kid for some reason not wanting to get into the ring. I think we all sent our positive T's and P's to his mom whenever he missed the press conference. Were those sent our positive T's and P's to his mom whenever he missed the press conference. Were those misguided T's and P's?
Starting point is 01:43:48 Yeah. I mean, it was a made-up story so that he didn't have to go to the press conference. So, you know, the Furies have a history of pulling out of fights. Tyson Fury's pulled out of five fights. They're just a sketchy group of people all the way around. I mean, look at John Fury. Like, the guy's a weirdo. He spent 11 years in prison. So you don't know what's going on over there. Could be a number, a number of things. Did you ever think about fighting the dad?
Starting point is 01:44:13 Was that an alternate? Was, uh, was the dad maybe an alternate or, uh, is Tyron Woodley, as soon as that was, was there anybody else other than Tyron offered up to you or was that the first name? And it was like, he's been training. Here here we go let's go ahead and make number two happen it was the first name and my manager hit him up and was like yo do you want to do this and he's like yes i've been training he was planning on having three fights in 2022 so he's already been in shape so he was ready all along and it makes perfect sense he did get the, so let's run the rematch. For me, I've gotten so much better in this camp, and I want to show people that the last fight I didn't perform at my best,
Starting point is 01:44:55 and I'm going to come out, put on a better performance, and hopefully get that knockout. Hey, how's everything going? I know you make comments about the ufc and how they don't pay their fighters enough you and dana go back and forth with everything and just what what's been going on with with boxing now because of you and your brother like have you looked around it's like man this is i did or like did you plan this did you think it would have this kind of impact yeah i mean you know with each fight this just got bigger and bigger and bigger
Starting point is 01:45:26 and the analogy i use is you know everyone took taxis for you know decades and uber came in with a simple app and became a billion dollar company but it was just that simple change that was needed to change you know transportation systems. We were that for boxing. We were the Uber for boxing where we came in, saw a lot of room to innovate, and just have made a ton of different changes. I started my promotions company, Most Valuable Promotions. We signed Amanda Serrano. We're advocating for fighter pay.
Starting point is 01:46:00 We're promoting fights differently, and we're showing that there's not as much of a need for promoters and all these people in charge in the sport so that's kind of like floyd mayweather obviously has made so much money doing this and then you and jake getting involved has kind of taken it to a digital effect now huge and you did that to youtube i think you did that to what was that vine you fucking ended vine or. I mean, that's what you guys just said. All right, I'm done with that. Is your time fully committed right now in boxing and running your promotions? Or do you still have other business plans and business ventures? Or is everything boxing right now? Everything's boxing right now. You know, I've fought four times in the past 13 months, which is really active, especially when you're doing these big pay-per-views.
Starting point is 01:46:48 The only other person to really be that active is Canelo Alvarez. It takes a lot. You have to dedicate 100% of your time to this because it's serious. This is the hardest sport in the world, the most serious thing, and your life is on the line in the ring. I've dedicated my whole life to it, to puerto rico isolated myself in training and just have been going at it and i've gotten a lot better so i'm excited to show off the new skills december 18th do you do oculus boxing in there are you actually like every day what is the uh what is
Starting point is 01:47:20 the daily routine like are you eating raw ass eggs and stuff like that? Are you getting punched every day like Rocky? What is the daily routine like? Yeah, two a days pretty much every single day. Sparring, running, I'm eating raw liver, sometimes some raw eggs. Getting punched in the stomach, bare knuckle. Some people use the ball, but we use the bare knuckle because it feels more like, you know, the actual fight where you're going to get hit with a punch in the body. So it's a full-on training camp. Ice baths, you know, you name it, we do it over here. It's as serious as it gets. And, you know, a lot of people come into this camp and say,
Starting point is 01:47:59 wow, you train harder than most professional fighters. Is that because you have to catch up so much, you think, at this point? Do you feel like that is something that is a valid argument when people because everybody talks about your first couple fights, or, oh, he'd get killed by Canelo and everything, and then there was a couple people like, yo, this is this guy's first fucking match, this is his second, this is his third.
Starting point is 01:48:18 Do you feel like you have to catch up a lot to the people you need to get to because of how late into the game you got into it? Yeah, 100%, you know, and I'm held to the highest you need to get to because of how late into the game you got into it? Yeah, 100%. And I'm held to the highest standard because I'm selling some of the most pay-per-views anyone's selling in boxing. And so people expect me to have the same level of skill as those other people. And I like to be held to that standard because it pushes me to get better. And my back is sort of in the corner. No one in really the history of the sport has fought eight round fights in their fourth fight,
Starting point is 01:48:52 in their fifth fight, in their third fight. Most times people build up four rounders, then they do a six rounder, then they do an eight rounder in like their 10th fight. So I'm sort of coming into the highest level of the game early on. And like you said, I've had to play catch up. I wish you would have been able to fight the pro boxer from the boxing legendary family. It's kind of, I feel like we're getting, you're getting robbed of a chance to dance on everybody. And we're getting robbed of a chance to say like, none of the motherfuckers good. Like, Hey, like, you know, like there is, that is why I think it's such a bummer that Tommy Fury, uh, kind of backed out of this.
Starting point is 01:49:25 Although fighting Woodley is another fucking going to be an incredibly tough fight. He's a badass of a human being. I mean, it's just for the for your skeptics, Jake, you know, for the skeptics. No, for sure. And that's what I wanted, because the public and the media and the people on social media look at it and they're like oh you haven't fought a professional boxer most people aren't smart enough to realize that Woodley is way tougher than Tommy Fury so when I announced when I announced that I was fighting Tommy everyone was like wow credit he's actually fighting a professional boxer in my head I'm like, this kid is like an Abercrombie model. I'm going to knock him out.
Starting point is 01:50:07 And Tyron Woodley is a real killer. So this is definitely a harder fight. Alright, well good luck on December 18th. Thank you for stopping by and chit-chatting about this. Can't wait to see what your next fight is. Can't wait to watch and good luck in the rest of your camp, man. Don't get any chest infections or
Starting point is 01:50:23 broken ribs. I'll try not to, man. Thank you for having me. Ladies and gentlemen, Jake Paul of your camp, man. Don't get any chest infections or broken ribs. I'll try not to, man. Thank you for having me. Ladies and gentlemen, Jake Paul. Thank you, man. Yeah! Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to all the guests for their time. Thank you to all the boys for their effort.
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