The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 557 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, NFL Week 14 Recap With Darius Butler & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 13, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, Darius Butler, and the boys overreact to everything that happened from a wild week 14 in the NFL season that saw Aaron Rodgers once again dominate the Chicago Bears on Sunday Night Football, if the Bills are dead after losing a heartbreaker to Tom Brady and the Bucs in Tampa Bay, if Micah Parsons is now the favorite for Defensive Player of the Year after a massive performance against the Washington Football Team, the Chiefs officially being back after flipping the switch and beating the hell out of the Raiders, which teams are priming themselves for a playoff run, which teams are contenders, and at what point Urban Meyer is going to be fired by the Jaguars after getting embarrassed by the Titans, and as the stories from within the building continue to leak out, plus they look ahead to tonight's crucial Monday Night Football game between the Rams and Cardinals. Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello! It is Overreaction Monday, December 13th, 2021. Massive show today, huh? Big one. All the boys are here and on fire. There's a lot to talk about. I had a pretty good weekend, as did everybody you're about to hear speak. Feeling good on this Overreaction Monday. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If you like this show, by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened.

Here we go. Week 14, NFL Sunday was awesome. Can't thank you enough for joining us on this beautiful Overreaction Monday. We have overreactions from all over the internet, and we can't wait to read those to you. We have Darius Butler joining us next hour. A.J. Hawk will be here. Read those to you.

We have Darius Butler joining us next hour. A.J. Hawk will be here. The Toxic Table at Boston Corner. At Ty Schmitter here looking absolutely fantastic, boys. Thank you, Pat. Thank you, too. Richer, all right? Seems like the bag is already emulating through your lives. At Tone Diggs, the Hammer.

Dad! Cowboy is here. How was your weekend, fella? Great weekend. How was your weekend? Well, I want 10-2. The Superboost hit. Got broken off.

The things are fantastic. Obviously, the Chiefs flipped the switch against the Raiders. Now, we don't know what the Raiders are. The Raiders thought they were something, obviously, whenever the Raiders decided to go stand on the Chiefs logo. And this happened last year between the Titans and the Ravens when the Titans went on to the Ravens logo and then Harbaugh said to Vrabel,

let's have football. And Vrabel said, why don't you go fucking coach? All right, why don't you go coach and get out of here? Now the Raiders go dancing on the Chiefs logo and wake up a sleeping giant. The offense had everybody on its score except for the people that we all betted on any time touchdown scorers.

What an incredible display by the Kansas City Chiefs. Will this be the Chiefs going forward, or was that of the Raiders that showed up yesterday? Now, I'm not saying the Raiders are a bad team, but yesterday they obviously looked terrible. And then on the way out, the Chiefs, you know, Arrowhead Stadium plays the wheels on a on the bus go round and round. Because, remember, John Gruden got a win over the Chiefs in Kansas City

and forced the bus driver to go ahead and take an extra lap around, a victory lap around the stadium. I love when petty shit happens. I love when the Chiefs answer and show up. They did just that. Then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, down in the humidity, 85% humidity. That's hot. Scorcher.

Yeah. Especially if you're not training in that type of humidity. It could be tough. That's why I picked the Bucs over the Bills. But it turned out Josh Allen put the team on his back dough. And as the game got later, it looked like the Bills got better. Or was it the Bucs falling apart? A couple game management situations that kind of poked their head in there

for the Bucs that made me raise my eyebrow a little bit as if I was Dewey Johnson, young Rock coming back on Wednesday. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I can't wait. I actually am excited for this one. I'm sure. Boom, me too. Season two.

It's only going to get better for the Rocks. But there was a timeout on third down at the end of the half whenever the other team had no timeouts and they were driving. You call a timeout before third down. Obviously they don't pick up the first down. They have to punt the ball back to the Bills. The Bills now have more time because you caught it. Then at

the end of the game, they called a timeout so their defense could get a quick breath or a quick puff. While the Bills had no timeout and they were trying to run two minutes, they were being very successful. There was just a couple decisions that were made that made us all, including Tom Brady, go, what the fuck are we doing right now? But that thing gets overtime. Tom Brady goes ahead and buries the Bills into, you know, a place where I don't think I'm losing faith in them. But if Josh Allen's boot that he's walking out is bad,

you have to question what the fuck they're going to do. Did not hand the ball off one time in the first half yesterday. First team to do such a thing in like 30 years or something like that in the NFL. This Buffalo Bills team is electrifying. Josh Allen's an absolute stud. How bad is this injury that's given him this boot right here, and can they win against a tough team late in the playoffs is all anybody's going to ask.

It's not fair that the conversation isn't about, hey, go for the Bills getting into the playoffs. Go for the Bills being a team that they weren't just five years ago, six years ago, ten years ago. They are now expected to win and make it to the playoffs. Now the big question is, do we think this team will be able to win when they have

to late? None of us are sure, and yesterday was indicative of that, I think, with the Buccaneers getting another win. Shout out to the Superboost now, two for two, and then last night, you got the landlord, Aaron Rogers, at home against a rival that he has talked up. He said, hey, not all rivalries

are worthy of a conversation, but this one in the NFL between the Packers and the Bears is a storied rivalry. It goes back a long way. The OG Steve Sable, founder of NFL Films, rest in peace. Rest in peace, Steve Sable.

He was even talking about these games way back in the frozen tundra. You're talking about the history of the NFL with the Packers and the Bears, and this is one that Aaron Rodgers has told Justin Fields like hey hold this thing you know a little bit higher than every other game this deserves it the fans want it the fans deserve it go ahead and do it and I thought Justin Fields once again showed glimpses of greatness that makes me think that the future of the Bears is very very bright with him at the helm But who will be the head coach who's having so much fun?

He's having so much fun. A halftime report. Let's go down to the field. All right. Talk to head coach Matt Nagy of the Chicago Bears. Asked him how he plans on to continue to do what he did in the first half, in the second half against Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. He has a lead in Lambeau against a red-hot NFC North, you know, leading Green Bay Packers.

What are you planning on doing in the second half? Any cliche things you can tell me to say during my report? You know, like, hey, go run the ball better. Okay. You know, like any, you know, anything. And Nagy says, no, no, I'm just having so much fun. I'm having so much fun. This is a blast, man.

And then coming out of the half, obviously, the report comes. He's having so much fun. I'm having so much fun. This is a blast, man. And then coming out of the half, obviously, the report comes. He's having so much fun. Aaron Rodgers scores a touchdown. Stripsack, another touchdown. Now there's no more fun. Now the joy has been sucked out of Matt Nagy's soul. But what is happening for them in the future? There's no way he and Pace are going to be there.

I think everybody's understanding that. I'm not 100% sure if that's been decided within the building, but it feels like all of Chicago is ready to make that decision, even though they thought the refs fucked them. Fucked them. That's Zito. That's Zito, you know. I didn't see the onside kick.

I had fell asleep until this morning, and Zito was like, I got fucked on the onside kick. What do you mean? Well, we ran in for a touchdown. I'm like, well, can't do that. Yeah, he can't do that. That is not a rule. Well, how about on the punt?

They did the same exact thing as us, and we got fucked for it. It would have been a turnover. It would have been, well, clearly broke the rules. The other team didn't. Oh, they ran down the sideline. I'm like. It was a Mickey Moss call, and you know it. It was a little ticky-tack.

I think it was bullshit. You guys did kind of get fucked on that one punt call, but all the stories are different. But I feel like this week, the refs weren't as big of a conversation as every other week. Now, there was a couple games. The Bills fans feel like they got fucked on the Diggs pass interference, which as big of a conversation as every other week now there was a couple games the bills fans feel like they got fucked on the digs pass interference which is worthy of a conversation i guess the bears fans think they got fucked which they might have by

the way i didn't i didn't see it all in context and everything like that i think the package would have beat you yeah regardless but i i think the reason why we don't have the ref conversation happening right now is because there's so many blowouts it felt like yeah, that one o'clock slate got ugly quick in a lot of places. Let's dive into it a little bit. Please bring the sidebar in. Professional show that just got paid. Oh, damn. All right, let's go to that Packers game.

Ty Schmidt, Aaron Rodgers, four tuds, whatever, zero interceptions he's has the most against any team in the history of the nfl it is against the chicago bears he proclaims his landlordness once again on sunday night football and chris collinsworth and al michaels a lot of conversation about aaron rogers your thought of the coverage of the game and how the game went versus your expectations going in uh in terms of the game obviously like early you know i mean we talked about it on friday you you i was kind of just like looking past this game because the bears do stink but they came out punched the packers in the mouth and it was kind of but like you said i mean it's fucking rogers owns the bears rents do every time

they play and once the offense started kind of getting things going you knew that the defense was going to step up eventually because Fields is good, but he will throw a pick or they have a young offensive line. It was kind of just waiting for the avalanche to continue. And a lot of times, like Rodgers in his career has covered up for a really bad defense at times and a fucking terrible special teams.

I mean, we talk about it every single week. I don't know what else you can say. And I'm curious to know, like, this is just what they are. Like, I don't think they're getting any better. It looks like they don't practice anything special teams related at all during the week. Like, Muff punts, stepping out of bounds at the five-yard line. I mean, the coverage is terrible on kickoff return and punt.

Like, it just. I tweeted, what was that, first just, I tweeted was that first quarter. I tweeted, Hey Todd, tighten up a little bit. I was watching some coverage stuff where I was like, Oh, there's people stacking each other.

There is like, I was just watching some things of if I was to, you know, potentially be on that team or a fan of that team, what I would be looking at on a special team side. And there was a couple of things earlier. I was like, well,

there is, there's some problematic shit going on not just in the obvious not being able to catch a clean or anything decisions being made but in the in the coverage lane shit that I was watching on the tv I was like that's not good and normally Bojo can make up for that and get a fair catch or whatever but whenever you start getting late especially in Lambeau it's gonna be hard I think to hit clean balls high enough for everybody to get a fair catch. It was his decision to catch that thing at the four-yard line. Let's say I'm the punter, and I punt that,

and I see somebody catch it at the four-yard line. Then I see him running flat. I'm fucking pumped. I'm like, let's go. This guy caught the ball at the fucking four. That was probably going to be a touchback. That's coming back to the 20. Now we're probably getting him at the three or whatever.

And then you just saw, and I guess you saw the outcome of it. We didn't get to see it live. You have to look at the old 22. There was guys just running right behind each other. So as soon as you see guys running right behind each other, which would make sense as soon as somebody's going flat like that, even though you have to spread the net out still. As soon as you see people doing that, the other team is just like,

oh, thank you. You're actually doing our job for us. And that wall was just beautifully set. I mean, absolutely gorgeous. And the fact that he was able to do that, then get all the way back around, incredible athleticism, incredible speed, and also what the fuck are we doing on the coverage team? There has to be at least a conversation.

We had somebody like, are we joking down there? And then that's just the beginning of the whole thing. The ticky-tack call uh where the guy ran out of bounds on his own yeah uh the the punt where the guy ran out of bounds on us that is an actual penalty uh penalty that is an actual strategy that is used by the way by the uh depending upon what they are called in each individual team but the corners that are blocking the gunner there is guys that will set guys up to make it feel as if they're about to touch them. And then as they run out of bounds, they lift their hands. That is a

penalty because you can't run out of bounds all by yourself. Because if you could, everybody would just do that. So there's been so many tedious rules put into place because of the fuckery that has taken place while covering punts. Whenever you're talking about guys running 4-4, 4-3, all of them. So just a little bit of an advantage, especially going against a double team. How can one person do it? So they took away the ability to run out of bounds without being touched. You have to be forced out of bounds. But once you're forced out of bounds, you have to make an effort

to get back in immediate fashion. So when the Packers player got bodied out of bounds, he actually got pushed out of bounds. He was behind a line of Chicago Bears players. So I think the refs looked at that and was like, he had no chance. And then he got hit by somebody, I think, on the sideline. Zito

was bitching about this because of what happened with the Packers. It was like, I think that guy got blocked by literally 55 Chicago Bears people. He should have been happy about the outcome, but that was a ticky-tack go out of bounds without being touched to overturn a muff late in the game. I think it was an 11-point game at that point.

That's a big-time deal. Yeah, and that's what I don't understand is that guy Amari Rodgers. He's a rookie, and he's very explosive. He's a good athlete. But I feel like it's like what you used to say when the Colts drafted Philip Dorsett. It was like they just assume he's a great athlete. Like, hey, let's put him back there. Did he return punts in college?

I don't know if he did at Clemson. But it's obviously much different at Lambeau when you have those swirling winds and guy and the punters are kicking it fucking much higher and like trying to get you and it's not like they're just like it it's been like this all year like he's muffed several punts like or like decisions where like he'll he'll catch one at like the four and get tackled right away like it just and cobs hurt so maybe that has something to do with it. But you look at, I mean, in the playoffs, that shit happens. They're going to lose a game.

The best ones will lose a game for you. Yeah. Especially because it doesn't show up until it shows up. That's right. He had 68 punts returns in college. Okay, so he returned a lot of punts. Once again, they're very different punting styles between college and the NFL. Matt Hawk, he hit like a 65-yard bomb last night, I think, out there.

No, that was for the – whatever. There was some good punting last night. Two successful onside kicks yesterday, too. Yeah, anytime you get a ball to beat some, beat them up. You know what I mean? That is quite a good feeling. But luckily a guy ran out of bounds without being touched. He was taking attack.

That is an actual rule. Mickey Mouse. Let's get back to the sidebar. Let's roll through that thing. Congrats to the Packers coming out of a bye week touched. Even though it was Tiki Tech, that is an actual rule. Let's get back to the sidebar. Let's roll through that thing. Congrats to the Packers coming out of a bye week. Rasul Douglas, obviously. What a player. What an absolute stud. Good trade there, Goot.

That boy, Goot the Goots. Goot the Goots will scan in the waiver wire. Let me see some practice squad, guys. Couldn't get Stephon Gilmore. We need a corner though stat how about this guy down there in arizona just got there a few weeks ago bring him up here boom superstar yeah our defensive player of the year arguably and then uh old preston big time tackle oh yeah

oh yeah strip sack yeah i believe yep oh we have to talk about um we have to talk about michael parsons yeah hey he's a grown fucking man out there. He has 75 tackles or something like that. He is now in the defensive player of the year, not just rookie of the year, player of the year conversation. And I feel like while Mike McCarthy was speaking to the media, he actually had, what's that? Mike was on.

Oh, I'm sorry. So I feel like when I thought he said Andy had COVID or something. Oh, my. Wait, hold on. We got a thought he said Andy had COVID or something. Oh, my. Wait, hold on. We've got a whole different conversation that's about to happen. I apologize. There's Zito. But I feel like when Mike McCarthy was speaking to the media last week

and he said, yeah, we're going to go there and we're going to win a goddamn game down there. And you can guarantee it, whatever you want to do. We work hard. We're playing against a good team. You do whatever you've got to do, that whole thing. In the back of his mind, he was thinking, I've got Michael Parsons on my team. They do not, okay? I've got Michael Parsons, this dude who has just transitioned into a pass rusher

in the middle of his NFL career and said, yep, I'm going to go ahead and take it over and become the best at it. Then he'll drop back into coverage just like he was early in the season in the first couple weeks and do his thing. It feels like he, if you watch the Hard Knocks, loves being a cowboy, wanted to be a cowboy his entire life.

Now he's in a position of actual game wrecking, which every single play, he's going to make a play. And somehow, he is more explosive than everybody else. By the time the ball

was brought back, and normally it's like, oh, the ball is going forward. He had his face pinned on the guy's arm with the ball out how you doing keep it moving Heineke get off the field they're actually going to bring in Kyle Allen now I mean he is a game wrecker game changer and if that offense okay can get going I feel like Micah can keep you in any single game that you need to be in what an

absolute stud and what a joy to get a chance to watch this guy for what the next 15 fucking years probably and he has no clue what he's doing yet wait until he starts understanding like shifts and realignments and he might already he might by the he might be i'm not 100 sure he might be a phenom pass rusher physically and mentally but as he continues to grow older it's only going to get better. I mean, this dude's a fucking guy. Well, the best part is, for him, they could do so many things with him. He was a middle linebacker in college. That's what they drafted him as.

And then DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory, who are two of the top 15 pass rushers in the NFL, they go out with injuries or whatever. So now you move him to the outside, and he's got 12 sacks. He can do so many things for that defense. He's only going to get better. And his pass rushing moves, they're not like perfected. No.

Like these things aren't. I got very lucky to watch Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney, okay? Not only just in games, but in practice, in training camp, in one-on-ones against poor fucking offensive linemen. What a bummer. I mean, great offensive linemen, too. Really good. But in 120-degree weather with 400% humidity,

they were forced to go one-on-one on an island with Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeney. And I got the chance to see it up close and personal about some of the shit. The amount of detail that goes into some of those moves. In the chess game game that's being played if you listen to Dwight or Robert speak about how oh I'm showing this move early and often so boom I can hit them with this whenever it matters on a third and long or understanding the self-scout of what move you've done on any big time game winning type plays because the tackles are watching this film too. I mean, there's just like levels to the amount of thinking and strategery that you can have in there. And he is just going to be a guy.

I can't. It is awesome to see a human that has the same type of, you know, I guess body construction that we have. Sure. I guess. Brains and hands and feet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Supposed to be in the same tree.

Like Brock Lesnar walks by, and I actually said this, he is a human just like us, allegedly, you know. But him walking by, it's great. Micah Parsons, getting a chance to watch him fully, it's going to be so much fun. And congrats to the Cowboys. Washington football team obviously has a lot that they have, you know, to chat about in a positive manner when it comes to the football team,

being able to win whenever nobody really could have ever expected them to do so with everything falling off. But the scissors are sitting there at the 22 yard line. What are we doing? It's an epidemic at this point. It is. Well, it could be. Potentially if those scissors got anything on them.

Imagine if a guy, they got poop water still busting through pipes twice at FedEx Field. That's right. No heated benches, right? This was a conversation. As soon as those pictures of the Cowboys benches showed up on the internet at FedEx Field, everybody look at the Cowboys like dancing on the washington football team or whatever i thought it was very obvious like oh okay so the washington football team doesn't have the newest or latest or greatest heated benches because there's been some places we've gone to and you

played it where their benches the white benches are trash like hey these are not good at all so the fact that the cowboys brought theirs and it had their big-ass logo on it and allegedly it came from Ohio, some company in Cleveland, Ohio, sent them over, is hilarious because I think this has been done in the past without the big branding on it. Yeah, just a regular bench. But that's because Seattle said, hey, they ain't got no

goddamn heat. We don't have any electricity either. You're going to have to do a lot of hand signals. Do the Cowboys do this a lot or other teams do this? Well, it depends on the stadium. So that is literally a shot at the operation. Everybody thought that was them dunking on the Washington football team. I don't think that's

them doing that as much as it is like our guys are going to have heated benches. This is the fucking NFL. I'm Jerry Jones. I just built a $7 billion thing. Our guys are going to have the nicest of benches. I'm paying guys hundreds of millions of dollars to play football. There's no reason for them to sit on some lawn chair shit that the Washington football team has. Right.

Okay, so I think it was a shot at the Washington football team more so than a dunking on it. But you've got to love an owner that says, no, no, we send it. Yeah, unbelievable. You think Jason right found out about this and was like fuck all right add it to the list heated benches we need to do that too we need to use a little bit of the uh what's that stuff i saw i seen it on qvc the um the glass boat they use it to flex seal feel swift jason right is going to be flex sealing all of those pipes buddy he should that is he is a i i don't know i assume he's got a great team he has talked Bill Swift. Jason Wright is going to be flex ceiling all of those pipes by the end. He should.

He is a – I don't know. I assume he's got a great team. He has talked about, hey, we brought in a lot of great people or whatever. Poop's still coming down through the pipes. Yeah, I mean, we're all worried about COVID. People start showing up with tetanus there because they've been getting soaked in poop water. That can't happen.

That's not something you want either. What happens if Heineke, you know, those scissors stab him in the leg. All of a sudden you've got to go with Kyle Allen for the next eight games. Well, that's the – Fitz is still there, you know, and his season's over. Heineke, a lot of people are asking a lot of questions like, should Heineke have just been given this gig after the playoff game that he had against Tampa Bay when we all learned of his existence out of Old Dominion?

And I think a lot of us were like, well, you're bringing in the older version of Heineke. You're bringing in the older version of Heineken. You're bringing in Fitz, kind of show him the way. Fitz then goes down a speed slide. Right. Right. You know, depending on what. Oh!

No. Front. Front here. That's what I'm saying. This is because of AJ. Yeah, he's a clown. That's how fast Fitz went down that slide, though. Hey, he was faster.

He was one of those ones that went like this. Allegedly in sports talk. Right. Guy said he loves speed. Got a need for speed. Let's bounce around a little bit more. Browns get a big-time win over their division rival, the team that was once the Cleveland Browns,

then packed up and went to Baltimore to become the Ravens, travel into Cleveland. And the Browns have an incredible start. Oh, this team's dancing. Miles Garrett's got strip sacks and making people hurt. They're scooping scores and picks and sixes, and Jarvis Landry's scoring for the first time in a long time. There's a lot of celebrating and dog pounding.

The dogs are barking. Having a blast. And then after Lamar Jackson, this is a contract year for Lamar. We've got to remember that. I feel so terrible for anybody that's on their big money year getting hurt. I didn't see exactly what happened. I guess it was a tackle. I didn't have the sound on it.

They say he had turf toe or sprained ankle. It was weird because it didn't look bad. It didn't look bad at all, especially for Lamar Jackson, who I don't want to say gets hit a lot because he finds ways not to, but he goes down a lot. Like, Lamar Jackson's on the ground a lot. I didn't think it looked that bad. Once I saw him on the court, it's like, oh, no,

I'm incredibly bummed for Lamar Jackson. Huntley gets in there, though. They start turning around. They start playing some football. Patrick Queen said these Cleveland Browns fans are throwing food all over us. Is it nachos or hot dogs or pizza? They're not throwing the bratwurst. What? Those are like 45 bucks a

pound. They might have thought they were hungry. Well, yeah, maybe they're trying to take care of the Ravens. Maybe they just don't know how to potentially win in a good way. And that's what the Ravens fans are trying to say. Or Ravens players are saying. Let's remember they're throwing food on us. Whatever the case, the dog pound was pumped.

Ravens sneak in for a backdoor cover at the end. Absolute bullshit. I would have been 11-1. Oh, man. I would have been 11-1. Come on. I saw Justin Tucker line up for that extra point. I was like, I love you, Justin, but I made a pretty good record online. He put that thing right through.

Obviously, that's what Justin Tucker does. And Harbaugh spoke a little bit more about what's going on in that facility and afterwards, but, I mean, what is going on? The Ravens, I feel so bad. They've had so many injuries. They're on running back four and five right now. I think people forget that. They've had so many injuries, but they're still expected to be so good because they have lamar jackson who can make a

play out of nowhere and if you watch that team over the last few weeks lamar i don't think has been the same lamar i don't know if it's covid i don't know if he'd been dealing with some lingering injuries because it is the nfl and we don't hear about it maybe didn't have as much you know uh juice for whatever reason for a little bit. But his explosion, although more than everybody else on the field, hasn't been the same it feels like this year as opposed to years past. Now he gets hurt. I'm fucking bummed for that, dude.

I'm very bummed for Lamar Jackson. My takeaway from that game yesterday and the day in general is that the kitchen in the AFC North is fucking lukewarm at best. Well, put on the thing. You guys actually have the least amount of wins to lead the AFC right now. So the AFC North is becoming quite a conversation piece. And if you look around the NFL rankings here, AFC and NFC, the AFC North 8-5 is leading the AFC North.

The Titans have nine wins in the AFC South. Chiefs have nine wins in the AFC North. The Titans have nine wins in the AFC South. Chiefs have nine wins in the AFC West. There's nine wins in the AFC East. So it is the most tight division over here in the AFC North. But who's going to show up the rest of the way? None of us. Bengals? Fucking Joey Burrow answered with Jamar Chase yesterday,

and I thought Jamar made a catch that he did not make, I guess, because the ball hit the ground. But nonetheless, still an absolute stud, and Joey had to answer. The Niners get a big-time win, and George Kittle is a freak show, dude. George Kittle is a fucking freak show. But who's going to show up, you think, here for the rest of the season? I don't think any of us know. There's a lot of decisions to be made at the top, too.

Like, what's the future of the Baltimore Ravens look like they went all in with Lamar Jackson a few years ago now he's up for a contract everybody says they're gonna pay him I hope they pay him but who knows the severity of this injury and who knows what happens with them the rest of the way bronze they got Baker Mayfield and allegedly the internal voices that he referenced in his interview with Kurt Warner, which I actually watched live because I watched the NFL Network kickoff show. It starts earlier than everybody else. And then ESPN and Fox start up, and I'll bounce around. And I hope that NFL Network pregame show doesn't lose any juice. Hey.

Yeah. Keep it going. They've got to record that so early LA time. I don't know how they do it actually as i was laying in my bed incredibly tired i was thinking like oh it's like 6 a.m for four hours i appreciate it but i was listening to that kurt warner and baker mayfield interview and he was talking about how the noise outside normally this year it's been a lot of internal voices or whatever and then that led to a lot of people questioning well what did he mean by that

i thought it was self-doubt happening with the injuries and maybe external voices were lingering into his brain. And maybe there was some internal doubt that was happening, which is impossible to deal with in the middle of a season, especially at a position which revolves around confidence like the quarterback position does. He talked about his legs getting a little bit more healthy so he could throw a little bit better. But the internal voices thing, a lot of people brought up, or the internal communication a lot of people dove into. I guess the Browns and Baker are not on the same page. I guess the fanskiing here are not as tight as they once were.

I guess the way the Browns have been talking about the injuries is not the same way that Baker either wants to or has been talking about the injuries. This is all coming from anonymous sources. This is the day after a win against the fucking Ravens, and this is what people are talking about, which is very sad for the Browns. But the future of the Browns, I have no idea what that looks like either. The AFC North with Ben Roethlisberger on his way out.

Joey Burrow seems to be the only thing that we know is going to be there for the long haul, and then we hope Lamar Jackson as well. And I was just looking. The Bengals have the third best odds to win that division at plus 230. I think they're going to win the division here at this point. I think because Ravens, who the fuck knows what they are. The Browns are the Browns. The Steelers stink.

I think the Bengals have the most talent. Tony. What's going on? What's going on? What are they doing? The Steelers, is this self-handicapping? Fucking look at the record, dude. It's all right.

They'll be back. They could still make the playoffs. I wouldn't be surprised if they get blown out in the first round. Hold on. Let's look at the playoff look right now. I mean, the Colts had a bye, got into the playoffs. I mean, what a perfect weekend for Indianapolis. Obviously, Patriots are division leaders, 9-4 in the AFC.

Because obviously Patriots are division leaders 9-4 in the AFC. Then the Titans, who absolutely dog walked the Jacksonville Jaguars. Okay. That Titans team coached by Vrabes, who was an Ohio State Buckeye legend, who coached on the same coaching staff or Urban Meyer's coaching staff at Ohio State. Vrabes, walking, talking, football, Ohioan icon. Beats the happiness and soul out of Urban Meyer so bad that afterwards, Urban Meyer can't even look the guy in the eye. How embarrassing.

Now, there's a lot of reports and leaks coming out that, you know, last week or the week before, or maybe this has happened on numerous occasions, that Urban Meyer's looked around at every assistant coach that he had to hire, you know, that he chose to hire, that he brought in and said, hey, we're going to turn this thing around. I appreciate you guys. I'm going to run this.

Looked around. Allegedly. This is all allegedly. We don't know what's real or what's not real. And then he goes, hey, Coach Boston Connor over there at the linebackers. Hey, what's going on? Have you ever won a championship? No, Coach, I haven't.

Why don't you fucking tell all of us why you're a fucking loser? Well, I mean, there's a lot of things that happened. You know, I went to the game. I thought I was going to be a guy. See, a bunch of excuses. That's what losers do. What if that's what Urban Meyer did? And he goes, Coach Ty Schmidt over there at the safeties.

I see you giggling away here, Coach Connor. Have you ever won a championship? No, I have not. Tell everybody why you're a fucking loser too. Well, you know, I mean, our players aren't great. I mean, you haven't. See, look, that's what losing coaches and cultures do. They blame you guys, the players.

I would never do that. I've won a bunch of championships. These guys all stink. I don't. If that's what happened, which, once again, we do not know if that happened. Anonymous sources are always

something, I guess, that are important to actual journalism, I've been told, because I've gone on this rant before where anonymous sources shouldn't be allowed to be a thing anymore then the political world which I know nothing about comes in and goes do you know that the anonymity of the source actually potentially

saves lives and makes the world a better place okay I'm sorry I was clearly I'm in a tank top and I talk about sports I was not talking about your world in the sports world anonymous sources I just don't think should be a thing but you hear journalists they need them they cover things that we don't you know get privy information i see that

it has a whole thing but if you say something i think you should at least want to have your name alongside of it although i do get that anonymous sources have changed the world for the better in a lot of situations including sports and everything like that not my thing though i was actually asked by a couple people to take polls while i was in a locker room and it'd be an anonymous poll and i said uh no i'd like my name to be on everything that i say actually can you actually put my votes yeah publicly but there's a lot of people that are in that so we don't know if this is real or not but god damn it seems dead in jacksonville already and if he's trying to get fired would he be the one that's leaking this information and then whenever he says if there is a leak fired fucking immediately is he talking

about himself it's just a dumpster fire down there and the the Titans covered and did exactly what we hoped they would do, and they did do. The Jacksonville Duval Jaguars are dead, and I think that is something that is a shame. But we should at least have a moment of silence, I guess, for the Urban Meyer-led Jacksonville Jaguar squad. He chose one time not to Fly back home with the team After a loss Said I gotta see the grandbabies

That's right The only babies he saw Were those young ladies at the shop That was that week Devil He had to answer a lot of questions about that, but then he got back on track and started coaching football. Oh, yeah.

Forget about the fingers. And they won. They won a game in London. How'd they win? It's because they forgot about the fingers. That's right. And then they came back to America. And they lose.

And they lose. What? And they lose. What? And they lose. What. And they lose. What? And they lose. What? And they lose. What? And anonymous sources say, this guy fucking stinks. Oh.

He's laughed out of meeting rooms. Everybody wants to smack him in the mouth. Attitude reflect leadership, Captain. Have a little mirror therapy, pal. A little bit. You stink. You guys ever get yourself one of these, pal. A little bit. You stink. You guys ever get yourself one of these? I didn't think so, you losers.

Hey, this one from high school. This one from college. And this one right here in middle fingers open for the NFL. If any of you would stop fucking me over. Goddamn right. That's what we're trying to get. Hey, you, defense coordinator. What's that?

You got any of these? No, I don't. I don't, coach. I thought you were a fucking loser. I'm sorry, coach. You need to stop by the chopper. Anyways, they're dead. Yeah.

And everybody's talking about maybe firing Urban Meyer right now. And Peter King, who is an Ohioan, we learned. Yep. Went to the University of Ohio. That's right right oh yeah he did send a very nice text thank you peter king with that being said peter king noted urban meyer fan it sounds like from reading his thing yeah talking about how all of urban's friends need to let him know hey you're in a rebuild dude your team stinks the sun did come up do some yoga there i i don't know how many people are letting urban meyer know that everything's going to be okay because publicly it sounds like

everybody's letting everybody else know that they're in urban meyer's world and it's not okay so i don't know how it plays out but uh congrats to the titans get a big time win yeah it seems like everyone's trying to convince us that everything's you know all rosy down there but every it's very obvious everyone in that building thinks he's an egotistical prick and they hate his guts yeah like you could just tell so this is a real thing whenever you come in and take over a program sure okay and you have people do push-ups or run laps ah you know in public and you have all this shit go on and you're potentially not living by the mantra that you were telling everybody else to live by. And that gets, everything is good. If you went adults will buy it, grown people buy. And I think this is even at like your, I've never been. So I apologize for maybe the ignorance here,

but if you go to a company that succeeds and does well, when they tell you to do stupid shit, you'll do it because you know that you're going to get paid and the company's going to do well and you'll keep moving. If it's from a company that you feel like is going to go out of business, whenever they're telling you to do certain things, natural doubt is going to creep in and go, no, I ain't fucking doing it. That's why this thing stinks. Right? I think that happens. Yeah. In the NFL, that happens. If you're a coach and you come into a new program and you try to set the culture in the way that you want it to be, and you're a hard ass and everything like that, people will buy in. But if you're not winning, it's going to be hard to keep people to do that.

So unless Urban Meyer is going to turn over everybody again and try to get a whole new wave of like, hey, we can still do this whole thing if we do this in my particular vision, because now it sounds like the coaches are turning on him because the coach would have to be the one that would leak that probably, unless it was a player that leaked it because they were so pissed off for a coach, which means the culture maybe isn't as bad in there if you remove urban meyer from it you keep it going but you gotta win and if you continue to lose and you embarrass yourself

and then these leaks start happening that's what it is in the men's league of the nfl that's just how it goes that was reported too that marvin jones actually left the facility because urban meyer like reamed out the wide receivers coach and they basically had to beg Marvin Jones to come back and that it was okay. And then him and Urban had it out on the practice field, allegedly right after he did return to practice. And he's a guy who they just gave him a shitload of money in free agency. He's supposed to be one of their veterans, a guy who's there to help turn the culture around.

Survived Detroit. He's a captain, too. Speaking of Detroit. Oh, man. Survived Detroit. Yeah. He's a captain, too. Speaking of Detroit. Oh, man. Oh, man. They shouldn't even have showed up. What are you talking about? They didn't.

That game should have been. Wait, wait, wait. That's the thing. They didn't. Everyone knew. We won our Super Bowl last week. They had no chance. The whole team had the flu.

Some had COVID. There was a 0% chance they were going to win that game. Saw a lot of interviews before the game, though, with Jared Goff, you know, and Jared was saying all the right things, you know. I like making new memories with new people here in Detroit. God damn right. Hell yeah. Jared Goff.

That's Jared Goff. JG. He was asked about the past. Hey, this is the first win without McVay. Do you think about that? Obviously, it's not something I think about. I think about it right here, right now, you know. The piece they did on the Lions, I actually started to believe a little bit.

I started to believe a little bit. Then I went on my FanDuel account, and I thought about betting on them. I was like, we're going to exit out of this. I ain't going to do that. No way. All right, let's get to a break. On the other side, there is a lot to chat about. I mean, we just kind of scratched the surface of big Mike McCarthy

saying, I told you that's what we're going to do, Donner. Profit. Why are they throwing the ball? Why did Dak throw that pick six? That was bad. That was foolish. Four minutes left, up 14 or something like that, or 11, 12, whatever it was. Why is he even throwing the ball?

And this goes back to to when the games matter. And I know week 14, December football absolutely matters. But whenever it's lose and go home, whenever it's lose and everything you did all year does not matter anymore because you're not a Super Bowl champion. Whenever it comes down to that point, those types of decisions, those tiny little ones get magnified. And that could potentially be the only thing you're talking about for the next five fucking months. If we didn't do this or this.

That's why whenever you look at the top of the AFC and you see Bill Belichick, you automatically assume, okay, when the time comes and it's going into third down, it's third and five, and there's 20 some seconds left, 27, 30 seconds left, it's before half. We're not going to call a timeout now. We're going to call a timeout now. We're going to call a timeout if we get a first down, knowing that we don't have to get the ball back. Oh shit. We call timeout. We don't get the first down. We punt the ball back to Josh Allen. That 30 seconds could be enough for them to get a fucking field goal. That stuff gets magnified. So that is, I think what we have to continue to separate the good from the great at the top of these divisions. Who do we trust enough not to make the good from the great at the top of these divisions

who do we trust enough not to make the decision that is you know eventually pointed to as oh that's why this season was a letdown because of that decision right there it can happen from a coach it can happen from a player probably happen from a ref we're back in four minutes can't wait to talk more about everything that happened on a beautiful week 14 nfl sunday then tonight's game as the rams travel to the fourth largest city in america let's go beautiful phoenix arizona in the red hot cardinals on monday night football two point favorites at home are the cardinals over under 51 they're expecting some points. Aaron Donald, who was bullying people just one week ago, now gets another shot at Kyler Murray and the Cardinals.

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And joining us now from an attic in ohio to chit chat about all things happening in the nfl a man who came to this studio and wrecked my entire desk on friday aj hawk thank you aj what's up man that's a complete. You know I didn't mess anything up. Jesus fell. Jesus fell. Jesus? Where? Where was Jesus? Exactly.

It's everywhere is the problem, and you need to find him because what you do to this office and this desk is problematic. But I do appreciate you traveling over from Wexner's town to host this show right here every Friday, and we're very lucky for you, AJ. Hey, AJ. Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Believe me, I have a great time when I come there to the land of Jared Fogle where you live and get to do the show. It's a lot of fun. No, no. He lives way north of the city. Like at least 12, 15 minutes away. Yeah, miles. But that is about the same here in Indiana because there's a lot of highways with 65 mile an hour. That's right.

I fly around and get to a lot of places quick. But listen, the Fogle situation is one that I think the people of Indiana would rather forget. So I do appreciate it. How about when, I mean, he's up in one of these wealthy neighborhoods up here where some of my teammates are. Group texts or messages popping off. Why is there 75 helicopters above my house? What is going on? Did people know?

Were people aware that he lived in the area, though, before he got in trouble? So I think people in his neighborhood, like immediate neighborhood, knew. I don't think it was like one of those things where it's like, hey, the subway guy is here. How did you not know? He walked 30 miles a day in his neighborhood.

Well, I think he did that before he got to this neighborhood. He carried the big pants with him, at all times yeah that was the old neighborhood the new neighborhood that he moved into big houses big side of town he was smallest okay so this was a whole new thing but yeah a lot of messages so why does anybody know why there is, you know, Black Hawk helicopters hovering right over my... They were down low, I guess. It came in for like a full thing. They took over the whole street, didn't they? And just take everything out of his house?

Yeah, yeah. And there was a lot, I guess, in there. He's a terrible guy. But I couldn't even imagine if they could get into Wexner's Castle. Did people think he was shooting like a Subway commercial, maybe? Like, oh, I wonder if they're shooting something new for Fogle. Oh, they're dropping a sub in. Yeah.

He's going to eat a 75-foot party sub. Yeah. I've told the story before. He and I ended up in a – you know, maybe that should have been the moment I knew. You know, I should probably, you know, not go out every night. That was something that when I walked into a nice establishment here, maybe on Monday or Wednesday, depending upon the day of the week, early in the week, not really a lot of people or places to go in Indianapolis.

But the crew that did go out was a hell of a time. I mean, we had an absolute blast. And I tried to get a table, you know, back in the back so we could relax. It was right next to Fogel. And that was it. That should have been the day where I was like, all right, Subway guy and I are sitting in the same area. I just saw photos.

Nice house. Yeah, it was a big house. It was a nice house. So a lot of subs, dude. Terrible guy. Anyways, let's talk about football. I mean, that's four minutes of you being a terrible person and doing. You've been the one speaking, not me.

Well, I had to explain why you brought that up, because there's some other things I assume you're going to bring up throughout the next couple days that, you know, is just unfathomably toxic. But you just have a great old time in your attic. But let's talk football. All right. That's what people would like to hear from us about. Whenever you watched that Packers game last night, you thought to yourself, here we go. The defense isn't playing great, as great as they have.

Special teams is playing nowhere near great. But there wasn't really a question, I don't think, that the Packers were going to win that game, for me at least. And I had a super boost on the line. The Packers had the win. I was never really that, you know, I never lacked any confidence last night throughout the game. Maybe I should have with how bad some of the special teams plays were and how Chicago was connecting on incredible plays, but I just felt like the Packers were going to win that thing regardless. What was your takeaway from watching it? Nagy was having so much fun in that first half.

Everything kind of changed, I think. Yeah, I think you're spot on. I thought the exact same thing. Now, I doubt other people have the extreme confidence in the Packers that we do. Or maybe they do. They should. I have extreme confidence in Aaron and what that offense can do. But their defense was fine.

I think basically I wasn't worried for the Packers because they did everything you could do wrong pretty much. Giving up 97-yard punt return, the reverse. I mean, that guy Grant. Starting field position was like the 8 or the 9. Every kickoff went to like the 50, I felt like. And you had to think to yourself. In my head, I was thinking there's no way this continues for the entire game.

Like every bounce is currently going the Bears way, but maybe that is just how it's going to be for the entire evening. But for me, I just, they can't play any worse.

Go back to that Aaron Rodgers thing, please. The stat from ESPN Stats and Info. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Aaron Rodgers through four,

thank you. Aaron Rodgers through four touchdown passes and zero interceptions for the seventh time in his career versus the Bears on Sunday night. That is the most such games versus single opponent in NFL history. And I appreciate Mitt, I think, who put together this graphic. What if this was him saying, everybody's talking about me talking about being their fucking landlord and dad. I mean, it's fucking true, dude.

What if that is literally what this moment exact thought was? Like, what if Mike McCarthy has one of these as well in Washington? I fucking told you. That feels like what it was. And I love the fact that this son of a bitch is always smiling. Something terrible will have just happened. Let's say a 96-yard punt return to the house, and they're going to zoom in on Aaron's face. Aaron's face gets zoomed in on, I think, more than any other quarterback because of maybe how you get some reaction out of him. He never seemed like he wasn't just like, oh, whatever,

this is just another kind of casual thing. I can't wait to chat with him tomorrow about it. It makes that mindset, and I guess this is kind of what he talks about on a regular basis, like just being in the moment, man. Oh, yeah. Like that's a real thing, though.

It is. It's crazy. That team, they're going to have to figure it out on special teams, though. That team could go, though. It feels like they're built. Again, shout out to Goot. Shout out to have to figure it out on special teams, though. That team could go, though. It feels like they're built. Again, shout out to Gunt.

Shout out to Gunt. Shout out to Gunt. Devontae Adams said he goes out and practices and catches some punts, and Gunt tells them, hey, get the fuck out of here. Okay, Gunt brought in Razul Douglas. Gunt was able to make it work. Andre Campbell, who's been unbelievable. Perfect.

Another addition to the team, Randall Cobb, he brought in. Now Randall Cobb is going to return later, and hopefully he'll make a big-time play so everybody thinks to themselves, oh, that was the first Gunter Kuntz-Aaron Rodgers collab, it feels like. But if you listen to Collinsworth and Al Michaels talk, Gunter Kuntz and Aaron think this relationship's going to continue. And they said, we have no scientific proof for this they didn't say that exactly but the feeling we had was that this is going to extend is that what you think so aj as well do you think that as well right

now i think i've said that on here like i don't i just don't see any other place having like a better setup than green bay than where he's at and of course i, I'm sure if things went the way he wants it to, that he said he would love to be in Green Bay his whole career. But I just, yeah, as of right now, like what other options are better for him? Obviously, every team would want him, but I feel like everything's set up in Green Bay where he could make a run at it for the next, who knows, four or five years. So is his house just like a mall out there, dude?

It has to be. Does he just have everything in there? In Green Bay? Yeah, I'm going to go down to a golf simulator wing down there yeah i'm gonna go out to a bar that has like an outdoor seating down over here because the thing what green bay much different than any other city in the winter right there's really nothing you go to i guess you go to a actual villages where there's places and things to do and i guess there's the Oneida Casino. Oh, I love the Oneida Casino. I'm very thankful for the Oneida Casino.

But I don't think he can do that. Or is he just a dude that doesn't give a fuck about any of that? I don't think he cares. I don't think he cares. Oh, there's not a, you know, the nightlife scene is just not as good as it should be in Green Bay. I need to go somewhere else. No, he's been there for almost 20 years.

I think he's pretty comfortable there. He enjoys it. He enjoys the people. So I don't think he's pretty comfortable there. He enjoys it. He enjoys the people. So I don't think that's any part of his decision going forward. Hey, did you see his doppelganger, dude? Oh, man. Did you see it? Look at that.

Holy shit, man. Dude's got a dark beard. What are you talking about? What do you mean? AJ, what do you mean? It's a twin. This might have been the guy. I didn't mean to be be the pessimist or whatever.

I just feel like it got about 10 minutes more play than it should. Time will add a couple more because I've got some things to say about this. This guy might have been the guy coming out of the coffee shop going to his priest. Remember, in L.A. Now, you can't see this guy's feet, but this might have been the exact guy. You know what I mean? Oh, they're going to say the guy who ran in Game of thrones too oh this is an actor it is i mean it is spitting image have they identified the guy yet i would assume he's been like oh yeah yeah he is a

uh i believe he's a foreign man i'm not 100 sure where he's from they're scotland i believe is he i think so i'm not positive but he looks like he's from Scotland. Oh, so you just looked at a guy and said that's where he's from? Yeah, for sure. Oh, so no sources at all. No, no, no. It hasn't been confirmed yet, but my best guess, I'd say he's from Kansas. No, he's a Euro. Is he for sure?

We don't know. We have no idea. That's just from the title. I mean, that's why I threw Kansas out. Who knows? We could only throw two years. Could be from South America. The guy's a big-time package fan, though.

I mean, he's got the jersey on. He's got the hat on. Yeah. And by the way, whatever camera person found this, good eye. Hey. Yeah. Good eye. NBC with the good camera work, you're right.

Good eye. All right. Let's talk about the rest of the – go ahead. You want to – Well, no. I wasn't going to pile on this, but also the Texans punter. It was a big game for the Dolphins. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Cam. Cam's a baller, by the way. He was at Ohio State. I believe he went to the Ohio State. Then he was at the Philadelphia Eagles. I've seen some videos. I've never met him in person. I've seen some videos of him destroying footballs. Like, just hitting them further. Never popping one,

but destroying footballs and hitting the ball so far. Like, a rocket off of his foot. An Australian. So, I was very interested whenever he left philadelphia i thought they would have signed him for the long haul now he's down in houston and getting some big time play because jack got big old arms too yo dude he's one he's an australian football player those guys yeah i mean they have you have to be kind of those guys are those are men yeah you hit each other like you hit i think you grow up kicking a ball back and forth and tackling each other like i think that's just

they're all incredible looks very very similar to bill burr though like his head and face jeez i think that's a look right the bald with a little bit of red and if you have it as the there's a i think there's probably a few of those out there right that's kind of like the aaron rogers dark hair beard slim face thing that could be the aaron rogers but i would i mean if i look like Bill Burr, I'd fucking love it, though. I mean, what a legend. Think of how pale he looked on that conversation with us. Oh, man.

What was that all about? Was that our fault, you think? Was this like a Helwani situation? No, the background, I think, is what killed him. Because it looked like he was in like a dark room and it just kind of made his head pop. You guys got me ranting. I fucking love him. That is...

He was in an interrogation room. Why was he in that room? I don't know, but he was fucking delivering the goods. He is unbelievable. I think he's coming in studio this week. Really? I think so. Is that this week? Yes, I just saw this Friday. It's already the 13th. Let's ride. Yeah, he's a monster to fly by. Hey, it's December 13th, dude. Week 14 the 13th. Let's ride. Yeah, he's months fly by.

Hey, it's December 13th, dude. Week 14 is about to wrap up tonight. We'll get your prediction here at some point. How did I do? You did great, dude. 9-3. You did really, really good. Great week. Oh, what's your fake record?

Not bad, dude. Whoa. 10-2. Congrats, bud. Thank you so much. I'm sure that's legit. Okay. I mean, we ran a commercial.

I need to go back there. Did I really pick the Jets? Yeah. Yeah, you did. You're a client. Hey, I'll believe you. I guess I believe you. Well, this was Taysom Hill with Mallet Finger.

We didn't know what the hell was going to happen. You picked the Raiders over the Chiefs? Ten. Ten and a half. Remember? Yeah. I was close. You almost got it.

We forgot about the circling of the buses last year. If you would have remembered that, you never would have done that. Yeah, it's not until you're watching the game where you're thinking to yourself, golly, how did I forget about that? How did I not know that was going to happen? For instance, Ravens-Browns, I should have got that one as well. Yep, yep. I mean, that was one.

You would have never been able to guess that they were going to stomp on the way. Listen, the Browns was the right side. Jeez. What's that? The Browns was the right side. I agree. It should have been the entire time. What the hell is going on?

What are we doing in Cleveland? Baker stinks. No, no, no, no. That should have been a win for us for sure. Hey, did you see the comments coming from Baker Mayfield about the internal voice? Did you watch that interview with Kurt Warner or not? I didn't think at all. I read about it.

So I listened to it and watched it when they aired it. So I didn't watch it live, but when they aired it, I didn't think immediately dissension with i listened to it and watched it when they aired it so i didn't watch it live but when they aired it i didn't think immediately dissension with the building i thought baker potentially lost confidence that's what i thought it was about i thought his internal voices or whatever your internal messaging was like him telling himself and maybe he had lost a little bit of confidence through the injuries but then the reports came out they're like no he's talking about him as defanski don't talk anymore they're talking about an anonymous source said um the building uh wasn't releasing his injury information in the same fashion that he was because they weren't they were downplaying it they were downplaying it he was trying he was basically saying like I'm really hurt I'm fighting through

a lot of stuff and they're like he's gonna be fine he's all right so he probably I was like if he saw that and he knows how much pains he is in yeah i'm sure he's like all right okay here we go they got my back yeah that is something that i think you baker i think i would even if that was happening if we weren't on the same page or talking to each other i'm the quarterback that's always going to be uncomfortable and awkward to begin with if you're on bad terms with your quarterback let alone if it's on a contract year oh wow it'd be almost like what if like lefleur or Packers coaches are like, oh, Aaron's fine. He's a baby.

Stop talking about your toe. Yeah, toe means nothing. You know what I mean? So what are we, fucking pinky toe, dude? Cut mine off. We have an offensive line coach over here. He's got eight toes. Both pinkies cut off, dude.

He's fucking unbelievable. You think he cares? What if that is what the Packers do? You think they cared about their toes like the old hot gut coach? Bob Wilder. You think they were worried about calisthenics when they were running across this? Normandy. Normandy.

Push-ups and pull-ups. Imagine if that's what the Packers did. Imagine if that's what LeFleur came out and said. You think they were worried about that? It would be much different. I'm not saying the Browns are doing that to Baker, but you could see how a player would be like, hey, this is kind of fucked up. You guys are underselling it, whether it's for business purposes

or for reputation, whatever the case is. That's on you guys. Joining us now with a big old brain, host of the Man to Man podcast and everything DB, joins us every Monday, sometimes additional times throughout the week to share his incredible knowledge with us. Ladies and gentlemen, nine-year NFL vet, Darius Butler. Yeah!

What's up, fellas? What's up, dude? What's happening, man? Hey, we're just talking about Baker Mayfield and the reports that are anonymous. So I don't know how much anonymous source shit you can believe. And we'll talk about Urban here in a bit, obviously. Man, Urban is tired of that shit. Yeah, Urban's sick of the anonymous source shit you can believe and we'll talk about urban here in a bit obviously urban tired of that shit yeah yeah urban's sick of the anonymous source we'll fire

him on the spot but let's talk about the anonymous source or sources coming from cleveland saying that baker and the front office aren't on good terms baker and the coach are distant this year and they're doing things differently do you believe any of that or you think this is all bullshit one day after a big time win over the Ravens, this is kind of what we're talking about because the future is such a question mark. Yeah, I mean, I believe it. In this day and age, in this environment,

where there's smoke, there's fire. It's a lot of sources, a lot of leaks. I feel like a little more than there were even when we played. Everybody's kind of putting their own narrative out there in the media so I definitely believe it for sure. Well, I think sometimes, too, these sources, I know like with the urban thing, people are saying, oh, did an assistant coach go to a media member? It could have easily been an assistant coach complaining to somebody that they're friends with in the facility and that person's friends with media.

Training room. Training room. Hey, that's the biggest area people run their mouths a lot of talking a lot of talking goes on in there so yeah

it could have been it could have been anybody but I mean it's been bad ball from the jump with Ernie down there now that's not all and everybody

in training rooms because there's a lot of secrecy sworn to in those training rooms and there's a lot of great relationships in there but god damn there's a lot of things

talked about in those training rooms I've walked into some training room conversations and, how did we get here? What are we even talking about? But you have to because there's a lot of hours in there. The trainers have to make you continue to want to be motivated to get through some incredibly painful shit.

And there's decisions being made that are very expensive for all parties involved. The training room is a sanctuary for basically every single player. So you've got to have great trainers. You've got to have great physical therapists. You've got to have great doctors. But also, when you have all those things, there's a lot of great conversations going on.

A lot of great conversations happening as you're battling through there. Let's talk about Brady and the Buccaneers burying the Bills down there in overtime. The Bills, I don't think, are dead. I mean, that's a great team in Tampa Bay, down in Tampa, and a good performance. What are your thoughts on the Bucs, and what are your thoughts on the Bills, D-Butt? I mean, I was on there a couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago, saying I had no concern with the Bucs down the stretch. Still don't.

Didn't like how they finished the game yesterday, I'm sure. And that's always good coming off a win because you know it's a lot of room, a lot of area for improvement. So I'm sure they'll get right back to the drawing board. The Bills, I mean, they're never completely out of it with a quarterback like Josh Allen. Defense lost Trey White, and they've been having issues stopping the run for him. They had another good day against him yesterday.

So they're going to have to do that. They're going to have to stop running the playoffs. They're going to have to get that type of play, that second-half play that Josh Allen was giving out there. They're going to have to do that. They're going to have to stop running the playoffs. They're going to have to get that type of play, that second half play that Josh Allen was giving out there. They're going to have to get that down the stretch. But it's tough when you don't have a running game on offense and that defense is kind of banged up and kind of getting punched in the mouth by kind of the class of the NFL right now.

So they got to stop the bleeding in that department. D-Bud, how confident are you in the Titans coming off a shutout of the Jags 20-0? They win. Awkward handshake with Rabes and Irves afterwards. Do you think the Titans are legit? No, not without Derrick Henry. You know, no chance. What about when he comes back, though,

for the playoffs, hopefully? If he comes back and he's still, you know, King Henry, then you get A.J. Brown, who has to be healthy. I mean, it's not to me. Outside of Patrick Mahomes, I don't have much faith in any of those quarterbacks over there in the AFC. So, you know, Matt Jones is young.

He's still having improvement on that level. Lamar Jackson's banged up. Baker is kind of, you know, he's average. Then you got the young guys, Herbert Burrow. So, you know. Carson Wentz, dude. Are you kidding me, Carl, bro?

I mean, I don't trust him. I don't trust him on that stage. Against the big dogs. Against the Patriots on the big stage. Against Mahomes. I don't trust him. At this point, he could prove me wrong. He will be able to do this right here. I trust JT.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He'll be able to I bet you he will be able to do this right here. I trust JT. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He'll be able to. Boom. I bet you he'll be so good at tattoo, by the way. Oh, yeah. Go give me that. Boom. Bang.

Let's go play our football right there. There you go. That's what you want to do, right? Hey, you're going to need a special guy at that quarterback position, man, to not only get there and contend, but to win it. Those guys on the NFC, man, A-Rock, Kyler, Brady, like it's a different type of class out there. Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers in last night's game against the Bears

in which he has more four touchdowns, zero interception games against the Bears than any other person has against any other team in the history of the NFL. This is one game shortly after being asked if in-game trash talk he regrets at all. I mean, there's a lot of people calling people a lot of terrible things on the field. I don't know if all of that is going to be treated the same as bulletin board material. I hope that's not the precedent going forward, but it was in this case with what Aaron told the entire city of Chicago who was telling him to fornicate himself with one middle finger or two from every person in the crowd. Your thoughts on that team going? Special teams, they got to figure it out.

Defense, they gave up some big-time plays against Justin Fields, who looks like he's going to be great in the future. But do you feel like the Packers are a team that's going to be there in the end in L.A.? I mean, before I even get into that, I'm with you, AJ. I didn't think that A-Rod Doppelganger was that, you know, on point. Come on! Couple haters, dude! I'm right there saying that. Man, you got a lot of haters, dude!

I mean, it's fine. It's fine. You don't have to fall out of your seat reacting to it. No! I sleep because of it. H! He's sleeping because of it. Hilarious. Haters, dude. Hilarious.

You guys are a bunch of fucking haters, bro. But A-Rod, the Packers, man, it's scary to run into at this point in the season. And that defense, man, they've been playing well, especially on the cornerback position. That was kind of one of their areas of concern coming into the season. They spent the first-round pick. Alexander, who's a top three, five guy out there corner. He's been out for these last few weeks.

Rasul Douglas came over. He's on his sixth team and he's balling back-to-back games, pick sixes. He got the interception into that Cardinals game. And on the other side, Stokes, he's been locking cats down all year. So I really like that defense, Campbell, the safety tandem. And then A-Rod, I i mean he's a-rod he he i mean just watching him throw the ball last night like he's like one of one of very few if probably only that i feel like when he's throwing the ball not only is he throwing darts and dimes

to these guys but he's throwing it with like the anticipation of what they're going to do after they catch the ball so it's like on a different level to watch him uh kind of throw that ball so uh right now if i don't see anybody if if they get home field advantage, I don't see anybody going to Lambeau and beating A-Rod this year in the playoffs. And I would say the same thing about Tampa. If they get it at home, I don't see anybody going down there beating Brady. Yeah, the humility is tough, but how about Aaron's face through it all? He just looks like he doesn't give a fuck. At any moment, it's just like, no big deal.

He'll hit a fadeaway, somehow laser with touch over a defensive end's hand somehow. Just perfectly into a spot. I feel like his throws are creative as well. And I don't want to get too much into this, but like golf, right? They say the thing that, and then the play action. Oh! I was listening to Kurt Warner. Oh yeah, that, hey. I was listening to Kurt Warner earlier in the morning with two

gloves on talking about the play action and how nobody's looking at the quarterback and how mostly, you know, the defense is reading the offensive line or the running back. So the action really isn't as important. That's false. So hold on. So I was listening to that whole thing, and it made sense.

And I don't know if he was describing a play or it as a whole. I missed the beginning. So I apologize to Kurt Warner if there was any in there. But it gave me the indication like, oh, that's why nobody really does it anymore. Because I feel like back in the day, it was more of a thing where it was like a full, oh, shit, like trying to disguise it. He full commitment to this. Oh, yeah. Full commitment.

Got everybody. And see how he took that ball right there with his left hand. That's the key. Took the ball and then he completely like, I mean, froze, like completely slowed his pace. And if you watch that back, I think it was 99. If you watch that D in, he was lost. Like he was trying to find a running back and get back in the mix. And then obviously I gave A-Rod a space to come out and roll out. Like, he was trying to find a running back and get back in the mix.

And then, obviously, I gave A-Rod a space to come out and roll out. But, I mean, that's a skill set. That is something that Baker – I know he's getting some heat. That's one of Baker's strong skill sets, carrying out play actions, carrying out the boot action because that goes right in line with what they do on offense. But, I mean, what he's doing is watching him. I mean, it's poetry in motion. It's kind of like watching Michael Jordan shoot a jump shot or something

when he throws the ball to special. Right there, one B. Marino, best throw I've ever seen. A-Rod is right there, though. Hey, Marino used to be up in the park with his dad down there in Oakland, down there in Pittsburgh. Just get the ball out quicker, kid. Get the ball out quicker.

Get the ball out quicker. And it worked. Hey, he got the ball real quick. quicker, kid. Get the ball out quicker. Get the ball out quicker. And it worked. Hey, he got the ball real quick. Oh, yeah. Threw absolute darts. And he had a good time, too, because there were some miserable days to get to those points, I assume, in the workouts.

But he, what a fucking legend. He fucking sent it, dude. That behind-the-scenes clip of him. Have you seen that video, AJ? I don't think so. He's reading an ad for something and they're like, do we want to watch it back? We want to watch it back?

Nah, fucking send it. Dan Marino, what a legend, dude. Shout out to you, Dan. Shout out to my dad. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Debo, we know you're a massive Herbert and Chargers guy. Do you think they have

the legs to go make a run in the playoffs, or do you think because of how inconsistent they are on a week-to-week basis, they might be screwed? Yeah, I think too inconsistent right now on defense, too inconsistent on special teams especially. But defensively, they got trouble stopping the run. They got some freaks over there, Barbosa coming off the edge, Derwin James, Sante Samuels, a nice, nice rookie cornerback

when he's out there, but just defensively, I think they will struggle a little bit, and then you got a young, you got a rookie head coach. That's going to show up at some point, and Herbert is still young, phenomenal, phenomenal talent, but I just think all around as a team, I don't see them making a strong push this year. But the future is very, very bright over here in L.A.

D-Bot, you mentioned Rasul Douglas and how he's been on five teams. Why is it that a guy like that who no one's really ever heard of steps up? He's been basically what's him and Devondre Campbell have saved the Packers defense this year. Is that like scheme? Is that a guy who's just been overlooked? How does a guy like that who's virtually unknown have that big of an impact right away? I mean, it could be a variety of things.

Scheme, confidence. You can tell he's playing with amazing confidence. Because the thing about when you're bouncing around and when you're a backup, and this is something me and A.B. talked about on the show, like as a backup, like sometimes you can't play with that same confidence as the starter if you're a starter if your guy that's getting played you're slight that's your job you're going out there you're jumping plays you're being aggressive as a backup some people can play a little more tentative like damn i don't i don't want to mess

up i don't want to get caught my pants down get beat for a touchdown i could be on the next thing smoking so that part of part of it and coaching relationships i'm sure the coaching job he's probably comfortable in that room comfortable with the guys and it all kind of blizzed in. It looked like in that locker room from the outside looking in, it looks like it's a good chemistry. It's a good locker room. It's a good thing going on. Kind of what Pat said about A-Rod and his kind of visuals

and emotions on the sideline. That means something to a team. If you look at Urban Meyer during a game, like, you can kind of get a picture of what's going on behind the scenes. You know what I mean? You can't fake it. I think his environment, the coaching, and him probably just growing and just being in a good system for him, kind of all those things factor in.

That Urban Meyer lean, you know. Oh, nothing better. The bend over, head down. He the bend over head down he was even doing it when he was working at fox with the whistle yeah the suit with the whistle man what a scene down there anonymous sources obviously anonymous sources so we don't know but it feels like they are just crumbling that was pelissero that wrote it right Didn't Urban confirm it to J.O., Jake Lazor? Lombo said he confirmed it today. He tweeted.

He was like, yeah, I'm hearing it's worse than the Pellicero reported. Really? What could be worse? Hey, D. Butt, coach of the secondary, what have you ever won in your life?

We'll wait for your answer. Anything I won, coach, would be more than you won. You just got here, buddy. Could you imagine if that... That shit from college people and people just we crown a lot of people that come in when you're going from college to the pro game like it's a completely different ball game the locker room the man you're dealing with is everything is different like even when you know Joe Brady came over offensive coordinator from LSU like people were crowning him as the next prodigy to be a head coach somewhere.

He's fired halfway through. Not to him, but it's just a different ballgame. I think we crowned guys too early. It's tough. It's tough to come to this level and compete, to win, to keep a locker room. You know you're going to struggle with that team. You're picking them one over all. You're going to struggle for a few years, but at least

have some sense of have, you know, some sense of direction, some sense of culture being built in there. And it's none of that right now. There was reports that he was getting laughed out of meeting rooms. You remember? Yeah. There was reports he got. Could you imagine that happening?

And I just wish there was somebody in that locker room. And I guess it was Jones, right? Yeah. He left, I guess, Marvin Jones? Yeah. Marvin Jones left the building. It was like, I ain't doing this anymore. Imagine what he was doing in the meeting when Urban was allegedly, these are all anonymous sources, but everybody's, I guess, confirming it, going around the room, asking people for their accomplishments and their resume for why they should be there.

That's insane to think about. That is so- That's Marvin Jones, too. We've been around the game for a while. We've seen Marvin... This is something completely uncharacteristic of Marvin Jones from the outside in. Yeah. I played with Marvin for a year. I mean, I kind of got to do something. D, but I was with Marvin for a year, and since then, when I read that and I saw it was Marvin, I was like, are you serious? So first off, Marvin would sing for the team all the time. Unbelievable way a gospel singer can do it. One of the most positive, upbeat, always smiling,

like great dudes on the team. That's why I was shocked when I saw it. If this really happened, like Marvin, man, it must be rough if Marvin's walking out. Hey, that was like back when the Falcons hired old buddy. Petrino? Yeah, Petrino. I guess Warwick Dunn.

That's a great comparison. I guess Warwick Dunn. That's a great comparison. I guess Warwick Dunn was, I think there were some reports either publicly or I'm maybe breaking news right now, which I shouldn't be doing. But I think Warwick Dunn, I think he was also like one of the nicest humans of all time. I think there's like plenty of awards named after Warwick Dunn for what Warwick Dunn has done. And allegedly he was even in the,, this is not how this goes. Like, this is not how the NFL is, pal. That can happen to you. And once that happens, by the way,

once I heard they were laughing him out of meeting rooms, it's tough. It's going to be tough to get back in there. It is going to be tough. And not just in that building, in every other building. Especially if you're losing, too. If you're winning, they'll put up with it. But you're losing too if you're winning they'll put up with it but you're losing yeah it's gonna it's gonna come yeah and they and he got laughed out of there because that was after the fiasco when he stayed home oh and then he tried to bullshit

his team and say like you know he was doing one thing or whatever and it's like you know once again this isn't college like you're never grown-ass men like just handle it speak to what it was you know you can go bullshit the, but in the locker room, like, we're going to handle that completely different. Everybody makes mistakes. You know, we're all, you know, humans at the end of the day. Just be forthright, and then we move on from when he handled it the way he did. Guys laughed him out of the meeting rooms.

I mean, it's not going to go from there. Hey, can't be misleading the media, man. Can't be doing that. Nope. Can't be doing that. But. Can't be doing that. But it is real. And I think we talked about it as it happened. He could have actually garnered more respect in the locker room if he handled it in the right way.

It was like, hey, that's all me, boys. All right? Got caught up out there. What do you want? It's insidious, but we need to get back to winning games so everybody can get off my ass. Like, that would have been a very transparent and real one where I think the locker room would have been like all right let's fucking go dude let's go for it but instead the whole place burned down they're gonna have to fire them they're gonna have to move on yet again trevor lawrence is gonna have four different coaches in the first four years it's gonna be great and then we're gonna

wonder was trevor lawrence ever gonna be something because trevor lawrence i think has potential options outside of football to go make a living so whenever he said like it's not like life or death for me if it does well i remember everybody went after him but yeah i hope we get to see him one day and maybe urban can turn around go ahead uh dix uh d but he was trending yesterday his name is michael parsons do you have him as your defensive player of the year over miles garrett and tj what i mean i i would have to say yeah i would give him i mean it's hard to go against – T.J. White has been hurt, but he's still, you know, leading in numerous categories.

Myles Garrett, as soon as Monica Parsons starts trending, he gets the strip sack, picks it up, runs in there for a touchdown. So it's hard to bet against him too. But Monica, just what he does, he's not even a full-time pass rusher, and he's, you know, one of the best pass rushers in the league. And then off the ball, he plays sideline to sideline he's good in coverage he's not a liability anywhere so as a defensive coordinator 11 would be the first guy that i would put on my team as a defense so i would have to pick him for our defensive player of the year and what he's doing i mean if he wanted

he'll be the first guy to do it since uh lawrence taylor and um he's been compared to Lawrence Taylor. He's been compared to Barry Sanders. So, hey, I'm betting with Micah. How about Mike McCarthy saying, we're going to win. Don't you fucking worry about it. Love it. And then they win. By the way, that's awesome. That feels good for the locker room. Feels good for the team. Just like every conversation

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We're starting to see the pretenders and contenders. We're starting to see some teams pull away. We're starting to feel the effects of the long season with injuries happening and scattered all over the NFL. Tonight, the NFC West's best, which was allegedly framed the group of death because they were all going to eat each other with how much talent is out there, is on display as Kyler Murray, the young superstar representing

FaZe Clan. A gaming team that he is a part of because not only is he great at football, he's also great at video games and baseball. This dude was drafted top 10 in both sports, absolute superstar, who has grown into a stud alongside Cliff Kingsbury in a defense that has Chandler Jones, J.J. Watt, Buda Baker in the boys. And on the other side, Aaron Donald out of Penn Hills, Pennsylvania.

Pit stud, grown man, defensive player of the year conversation every year. Some are going to say he's the best player to ever play football. Bullies people with Matthew Stafford, Jalen Ramsey, Cooper Cup, and everybody there. This is star-studded game tonight. This is a big-time Monday night football matchup.

I'm excited for it. I know. I've been going back and forth on who I'm going to pick to win, but I think this is definitely a matchup of two offenses that can be very, very explosive. So it should be a fun game. Is there any money? There's no money on Manning. I don't think so. No.

He said he'll be back after Christmas. Real letdown not doing this one, though. This is a big one. This is the one we wanted. What if tonight's a big dud? What if somehow, some way, both defenses just shut them down completely? What if it's 3-0 tonight? What if it's 3-0? 2-0.

What if it's 2-0 tonight? I mean, that would happen in this NFL season. And we go, of course, that happened in the year after COVID, where more insane shit's happening this year than it did last year. Matthew Stafford has to get a win here. This is a big-time game for Matthew Stafford. Now, the Cardinals, obviously, top of the class, best record in all of football.

They've been nothing short of dominant. They traveled into Chicago in terrible conditions and were able to get a win. I think that makes them feel good for the future in the playoffs with how much growth and maturity and on the field they've had. But Matthew Stafford needs it tonight, doesn't he? Yeah, the Cardinals are good. They're going to be there at the end.

They'll probably be one of the last four teams in the NFC. But I feel like this is like the Rams can change a lot of people's opinion about them if they win tonight. And if they lose, it'll kind of just be like, okay, they're pretenders. They're going to make the playoffs, but they can't beat anyone when they need to. I was looking at it. It's interesting matchup-wise because the Cardinals run the ball the second most in the league.

The Rams are number three in opponent yards per rush, so there's that. And then the Rams, we know, throw the ball a fuck ton. The Cardinals are number three in stopping the pass. Oh, strength versus strength. Interesting. Wow, the weaknesses kind of count each other out. Oh, no. So that's a matchup for a low-scoring game then, right?

It feels like it. If you're going to take away your strength, the team's better. Like James Conner has become a touchdown-scoring machine over there in Arizona. Nobody talks about it, though. Why isn't he getting the credit he deserves? I think he was minus 130 or minus 140 for any time touchdown score. When I looked at it yesterday, it was like,

yeah, this dude's going to score a touchdown. That's basically what they're saying. Nobody is talking about old James Conner. And I think it's because even though Phoenix, fourth largest city in America, beautiful place. Oh, yeah. What's Chicago? Third.

Third largest. Zito is pop sin. Second. We all know that. What happened to Houston? No, Houston's fourth. So Phoenix is fifth? I think it's on the rise. At all know that. What happened to Houston? No, Houston's fourth. Yeah. So Phoenix is fifth? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's down there. I think it's on the rise.

Yeah. At a rapid rate. Yeah, but Houston is massive. Houston just grows. Yeah. Also growing incredibly fast. Gains a quarter mile on each side every year. I don't know.

There's not a lot of talk about the... It actually does. You get from one side of Houston to the other. You're driving seven and a half miles. That's right. Five. Houston's fourth. Fifth largest.

Not a lot of conversation about the Cardinals ever, right? Is it because they're young? They're new? Last year they were kind of like the, oh, this team could be good. There's a little bit of talk. And then inevitably they let people down. So maybe people don't trust them as much. They're an incredibly electrifying team to watch play to.

Kyler Murray, D-Hop, that connection. They have A.J. Green. You know, he's there. Big name. Has been-Hop, that connection. They have A.J. Green. He's there. Big name. Has been great. Zach Ertz is there now. He's been very good. Their defense has superstars too. Chandler Jones, people know of him. Buda is unbelievable back there. Simmons. They have so many

studs whenever you look. J.J. obviously is hurt right now. You would think they would get more attention with how fun they are to watch. Just watching Kyler alone, you're watching a guy that does things that nobody else can do and how he moves and everything. Who are you picking tonight, dude? Who you got? Let's do our selections right now.

Here we go. So, at first I was thinking going Rams, but I'm going Cardinals here. Really? That's what I'm going. Yeah, because I know you probably – you want me to take the Rams. Well, I'm going Cardinals as well, dude. Okay. For the good of the record, I have to pick what I want to

pick. I thought you were going to take the Rams. This felt very much like an A.J. Hawk taking the Rams. Yeah, exactly. Why aren't you? You shouldn't assume what my picks are going to be. Alright, so we're both on the Cardinals. That's a shame. Yeah, bummer.

That's a real bummer. I may change before the show's over. No, no, well, I might as well. I mean, I might as well, depending upon who we talk to, how do we talk to him, what we talk to him about. This two doesn't, ah. Look at the picture of this guy right here. Just look at him. Anytime I want to go and say, this is Cardinals all day,

what are we even talking about? Then you see Aaron Donald right here like, hey, I trained with fucking knives four months ago, dude. Yet last week, who was it? Terrible team. Terrible team. Jacksonville. Jacksonville. I'm so sorry. I did not mean that

the way it came out, but the Rams played against them and we knew nothing afterwards. We're like, okay, they took care of business. Odell Beckham Jr. scored a touchdown. That was awesome. My biggest takeaway from the game was Aaron Donald picked the guy up, okay, and as he was slamming him on his head, he batted the ball out of the guy's hands at the same time and then still buried him.

And then it was like, oh, my Lord. And that's what everybody talks about whenever they talk about Aaron Donald, right? Normally they eat up. He eats up two, three blocks at a time every single play. So anytime I start going, like, Kyler Murray is just going to skirt, skirt tonight. I mean, they are going to do their thing.

Dirty put him right in the graphic to stare at us. With Jalen as well. Von Miller. Woo! Yeah, it's tonight the night that Von kind of goes off for the first time for the Rams. Well, and also, and I don't want to speak for Von Miller, but I think he and Demarius were very tight.

I think. I think he and Demarius were very, very tight. I believe that was a very tight locker room. What a sad. Hey, listening to everybody talk about that guy, I wish I would have got to know him. Oh, I'm with you. I didn't know him personally either,

but I know plenty of guys that coached him and played with him. I thought it was cool the Broncos and Lions did the whole, they came out with 10 and took the delay of game to start in the lines declined. It was, yeah, it was cool to see. Like when was his last year in Denver? Four years. I'd say 18.

Cause he had a stint with new England before he went to the jets. Oh yeah. The stint was not, it didn't, it was, it didn't Tom hate the way it was handled. That's why Tom posted that photo to marry us at the Peyton's Hall of Fame thing. It was great to see him because I forgot that that was alongside the decisions that were being made that were allegedly pissing off Tom behind the scenes or whatever.

Yeah, because he really liked Marius. I'm pretty sure – I mean, it was preseason, but in his last preseason game before we cut him, he had like three touchdowns or something. And Tom was like, what the hell are we doing? And then we got AB. And then that happened again because of everything that was going on off the field. And Tom was pissed off again, but there's nothing anybody

could do with what was going on. I'm happy for AB, by the way, appearing to have his off the field stuff. I mean, I guess he just got caught up with the... Never mind. Anyways, rest in peace, DT. I'm happy the NFL he just got caught up with the... Never mind. Anyways, rest in peace, DT. I'm happy the NFL said what's up to and saluted somebody that they had respect for.

It's absolutely incredible. Okay, let's bounce around a little bit. George Kittle's unbelievable. This was the third and five, third and six in the fourth quarter. I forget what it was. Must have catch for the San Francisco Niners. He jumps up at full speed, leaps, fingertip grab,

obviously crashes down to the ground like it's no problem. He is so good. And this is another massive city with a huge fan base. The Niners faithful is so big. His stats the last two games via StatMuse, he had 181 yards a week ago with two touchdowns, and then he has 151 yards with one touchdown against the Bengals. Massive plays, like game winning, game needing plays remade. He is a freak show, dude. This guy is so good. Why does he not

get talked about as much as he should as well, AJ? He should. I know he's been banged up this year and missed some time but i mean if he continues to put up numbers like this i sure as hell hope people will uh will start to give him some credit they do i guess they he's absolutely a superstar but uh you're right like he is the guy was watching that game live too like when when they need him like when they need a first down and it's a big moment in the game everybody knows hey jimmy's going to find Kittle, and Kittle's going to make some unbelievable catch between three defenders, sliding down, and just whenever you need him, he's so reliable. He has that Gronk thing, too, when he catches it,

and his yards after the catch can invigorate the whole stadium because he's rumbling, knocking people over. You're like, oh, this dude may score from 75 yards out. And shout out Iowa. Go Hawks. Go Hawks, baby. He loves hawks i feel like he loves blocking but how about last week when he was literally six what five two six five yeah six five two fifty and he was running down a sideline at 20 miles an hour or whatever on his tippy toes doing like a fucking plie without stepping out

of bounds i mean he is freak show, dude. Absolute stud. Good for him. I'm happy he's having as much success as he is. Are the Niners a team? I mean, tonight we got a big-time matchup, obviously, in the NFC West, but the Niners, they could be getting going at the right time, too. Now, Jimmy is Jimmy G,

and Jimmy will always be judged against other quarterbacks that play nowhere near as similar a game as Jimmy G plays. But that team, it lets Cincy back in it. I mean, Joe Burrow is a guy. Will the Niners be able to figure it out? There's so many teams that could get hot. Everybody's alive. Like, everybody's alive, I feel like.

Yeah, I guess who, I don't know. Like, who's going to separate themselves here in the last couple weeks? So there's 13 people in the NFC, 13 teams in the NFC, as the Week 14's wrapping up here. 13 teams still very much alive. Like, hey, how you doing? Keep it moving. And then in the AFC, same exact thing.

There is so many teams, coaches, that are walking in and going, hey, we have played nowhere near our best football yet. Yeah. We have given up games. We've let people score when we shouldn't. We've made some bad decisions game management-wise. Strategy-wise, we've chose to attack the wrong things. But literally everything is still in front of us if we want it.

We can still win everything we talked about at training camp 14 weeks ago. And at this point, normally, we'd have a much better grasp of things. We can still go fucking get it, even though it's going to be hard to top a lot of those quarterbacks at the top. The Atlanta Falcons are a tiebreaker away from being in the fucking playoffs.

Artie Smith down there dialing things up, beating the Panthers. Now, the Panthers are an interesting story as well because Matt Rule has always been chatted about as being a guy in the NFL. Hey, they got it right with Matt Rule. They got it right with Matt Rule. And I think he originally started at the Giants in his coaching career. Then he was at Penn State.

Then he was at Temple. Then he was at Baylor. And then he got paid to go be the Panthers coach. So I guess we've kind of left him off of the college coach going to the NFL because I think he started in the NFL as a Giants assistant or whatever. Maybe it's not working for Rule down there either. Just fired Joe Brady in the middle of the season. Is that because Matt Rule feels a little heat, a little pressure on him,

that he's going to have to win more from the richest owner in the NFL who is not scared at all to move on, doesn't give a fuck about what contracts are and who he has to pay. You think that's something that Matt Rule's thinking about right now, or you think he's locked in? No, I mean, I'm sure he's locked in, but every coach I would imagine at all times thinks that,

hey, I may walk into my office and my key card might not work tomorrow. I'm sure they have similar fears that a lot of players have. That'd be awesome. They also feel like they have no idea. Not be awesome for him to get fired, but it would be awesome for Matt Rule to get introduced to the NFL real quick

when he goes and does the beep, and then A-K! Oh, no! Was that A-Rod? They both broke. Oh, no. Wait, who's the other? Who else broke?

I just want to let Robert Mathis one down. We're going to have to get another one for him. Oh, my goodness. Aaron went down. This is all your fault, though, because remember, you pushed everything. Yeah. You were talented. I didn't move.

AJ, why'd you do that? Did Robert's leg fall off? His foot? Yeah. His whole body fell off, dude. And A-Rod's head is gone. His head is gone. Can we please have a moment of silence for those two incredible pieces of art that I

have been very proud to have on my desk. I'm going to be sick. For some time. Bob Ross is gone soon. You can tell. No, but hey, by the way. Bob is looking down at them. Shout out, Jared. Yeah. Man, what a run, boys. Robert, you were very

you were new. Bobblehead Robert, you were very new. Very new You didn't get that good of a run But you were incredibly well done We just lay him next to AJ's dead body On the desk Well

I don't know if we should continue To just have a burial site here Should we have to set up a graveyard maybe And put some gravestones next to him Robert's left foot is gone Oh no Hey Hey

He still gets to the fucking quarterback. Everybody know he still gets to the quarterback. He can run that hoop. If you get him a body guru with a gi, he's going to get to the quarterback. That's Dwight Franey, not Robert. I think Robert would have told the gi guy to get the fuck home. Aaron. Oh, the hat is laying down.

Oh, he lost both of his. My only silence for the run of both of those bobbleheads on the desk. For those that are just tuning in, you don't even know how long they've still been there. Well, Rob, very recent. Who would have thought if you balance a bobblehead on a whiskey bottle on the edge of a table and you bang on it that it would fall? Welcome back to the show. There's 40,000 people watching this. Great to see you. I am so sorry to the show there's 40 000 people watching this great to see you i am so sorry to the artist that made those remember last time god the artist community there's a couple people in

the artist community that got so mad at me when everyone fell off because it broke or whatever you have no idea how much time it took it was like i thought i was displaying the art pretty well okay yeah i thought i was displaying the art and appreciative of the art. Although AJ did push it closer to the edge. He moved every item on the deck six centimeters forward. Like that machine at Dave and Buster's where you just keep putting the token in.

That's what you are when you come in here. You're like a snowplow with that jaw. I mean the telescope. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to debut a brand new I mean the telescope. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to debut a brand new Aaron Rodgers. Yeah.

He's wearing the 19... The 30... The 1960. That's not going anywhere. That's a good one, Aaron. He's taking a shotgun snap? Yeah, he's right before calling timeout here He's trying to take down the entire defense

He might call timeout, might snap it late Whatever the case is That's him right there I'll take the under of 10 days Before he's broken The artist that did this The artist that did his Big Sky Customs Bob Brown Thank you, Bob Brown before he's broke. I'm like, shut up. The artist that did this, the artist that did this, Big Sky Customs,

Bob Brown. Thank you, Bob Brown. Sorry, your work's gonna get broken on this show, Bob. Dude. It's gonna get displayed on this show, Bob.

Put it on that whiskey bottle again. I mean, that's a slapdick whiskey bottle. It's sturdy. Put it on the ball. What's the over-under, please, on this thing?

10 days. All right, I'll take you over. 10 shows. Oh, this thing? Ten days. All right, I'll take you over. Ten shows. Oh, that's like business days. But what's next week? We're taking off Friday. Yeah, just ten days.

Just ten days from today. It's going to have to be just ten days from today. Well, no, because if you're not, no, if the show's not on, that doesn't count as a day. No, it's a day around here, AJ. Stuff falls from the ceiling. You're right. We don't even have a ceiling, dude.

There's a chance that Aaron gets attacked from the blind side out of nowhere. That's right. Okay. Fair enough. 10 days. Michael Ward's protecting us. Thank you. Using the jackhammer out back for the parking lot.

Yeah. That thing's not going anywhere. You got locked in. That's good base. That's why he's such a good athlete. It doesn't matter about his pinky toe because look at his goddamn base. Yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. All right. Good luck. I need his pinky toe because look at his goddamn base. Yeah. Unbelievable.

Yeah. All right, good luck. Need you for 10 days, pal. Come on, Aaron. Come on, Aaron. You got this, Aaron. All right, let's talk about some NFL stuff other than Aaron. Kamara and Taysom Hill were on the same field winning football games together,

and I think this is the recipe for the Saints for the rest of the season. I don't know if they were on that playoff picture. I did not view it. I have no idea why Taysom Hill was not starting at quarterback earlier. Why did they have Simeon come in? There was a conversation there for like a week, two weeks. Is Simeon the guy? Is Simeon the guy?

Well, Taysom Hill, the Steve Young, the man who signed a contract that in there says if he goes on to become the quarterback, he makes $40 million. If not, he makes 40 million dollars if not he makes 10 million sean mcveigh no sean payton i don't know what sean mcveigh thinks of tasem hill i love him i love his way he plays football yeah yeah sean payton has said very positive things about tasem hill as quarterback and then when push comes to shove he hadn't put tasem hill in but the conversations were still happening behind the scenes now they're winning games he's got mallet fingers so I don't know if he's battling through more than Russell Wilson had to battle through he had two rushing touchdowns Kamara want bananas is this what the Saints are and why was 31 touches yesterday 145

yards and a tug for Alvin Kamara. Why was this not the plan from the beginning, you think? The whole Taysom situation confuses the hell out of me. I don't understand why he wasn't plugged into the lineup earlier. Once Jameis got hurt, I figured Taysom's the dude, right? With all the contracts and the weird... If he

throws a certain amount of passes, that's what will trigger him being a full-time quarterback and he gets the big contract. I would imagine they don't let it get to that point but yeah he with everything they say about him and everything we hear and from what we've seen like he's so athletic why not it'd be crazy if he's not the guy for the rest of the season well you'd have to be you would think but 31 touches is a key 31 touches for alvin kamara that's the recipe for success if he can stay healthy and get him as many touches as you can. I think we talked about that last week whenever we heard

that Taysom was going to play with that mallet finger. You know, the one that Russell Wilson got surgery on and rehabbed for 19 hours a day. Why not 24? It's part of the body system. He has a sleep coach actually, and if he worked for 24

hours, sleep coach would have been unemployed. Yeah. Does the guy just stare at him like when he's sleeping? How does that work? No, he studies his, you know. Tucks him in. I don't know. He's Santa.

Tucks him in. Hey, Sierra, bump down a little bit. I got to tuck Russell's right arm in to help heal the healing process. Whenever his arm is tucked in just this way at this particular temperature, you know, some people piss themselves. He actually sleeps in his deepest sleep. I need that, by the way. If that exists, by the way, send them this way.

There's probably – If you put their – isn't that a theory? Like if you're a drunk buddy, you put his hand in the water? Yeah. But also – but the sleep doctor actually told Russell that that actually makes him sleep better. So he will piss himself, but he will also sleep deeper. I don't know.

Whatever the case, as soon as we found out Taysom Hill was going to play quarterback, what did we say? Oh, he's going to run the ball, and they're going to run the ball the entire time. And they might just do that the rest of the way. And I don't know why they – I guess because Sean Payton's offense is so predicated on throwing the ball all the way around or whatever the case. But it still seems like the big part of when Breeze was there at least is he didn't really need to throw it down the field to be successful.

So he could have. You throw it with him 16 to 20 times, and then you run the ball 50 times between him and Kamara. They're going to be in most games if they go with that. Their defense is great. It just didn't make any sense. Got a great punter down there, Blake Gilligan. Go ahead and play the field position game.

Got to do what you got to do. Absolute stud. Let's bounce around a little bit to the, let's stay in the Mallet Finger family. Seahawks beat the dog shit. Okay. Seahawks get their swagger back against Jack Easterby's Texan, Kaimi Fairbairn, kicker for the Texans, blast a 61-yarder. Shout out you, dude.

Shout out you. That's a big-time ball. Big-timeer. Shout out you, dude. Shout out you. That's a big-time ball. Big-time ball. Seahawks get their swagger back. Delay the conversation that that whole place is getting blown up for a week? Or how do you think this whole thing ends with the Seahawks? Yeah, I think it just delays everything a week.

That's exactly right. I saw that graphic. So they're 5-8, and they're on the bubble. So they still have a chance at 5-8. They're going to have to win out. Everybody's just going to have to win out. And there's so many scenarios. I mean, the Lions, all the way up until yesterday,

had a road to the playoffs. We'll get them next year. But, I mean, the Colts were out of it. They were on the bubble. But two wild card teams were seven and five. So I think even the Colts knew going into the week, we're going to move up. Somebody's going to lose.

But in this particular season, it would not surprise anybody if some team went on a two to three game snot out of nowhere and some team got hot out of like the bills right now they played an incredibly difficult buccaneers team in tampa bay very great game and people like the bills are dead the bills are dead because they lose to the colts with five tuds they gave up they play the bucks they're in a tough stretch. If that thing gets a little bit lighter for them, which I don't know if it is or not. They played well, though. I think Orszewski said today that's the Bills.

He is more confident in the Bills than he was before that game. That's what I think, too. But the question is, they're sitting at seven for the wild card. What if they lose another one? They're completely out. Somebody moves in. There is so much to be had. The Dolphins are sitting there.

When we thought they were potentially dead earlier in the year, they can still get in somehow. I mean, it is banana land in the NFL right now. Well, and the Ravens, right? I mean, they're leading the division, and that's the tightest race in the NFL by far. There's a chance the Bengals jump, what, four teams and win that division, and then all of a sudden the Ravens are out? And the Bengals have gotten Mike Whited and Justin Airbaird,

and the Bengals can still get incredibly hot and run in the AFC. The NFC is very top-heavy, very, very top-heavy. But we've seen those teams all lose. So this is, I mean, let's go, NFL, dude. Here we go. Thank you, NFL. Thank you, NFL. What is nice is it is going to come down

to Week 18. There will be games in Week 18 that decide who's going to make the playoffs and who's not. I feel like in years past, that just doesn't happen very often. There could be up to four playoff spots that aren't decided until the last week of the season this year. Oh, man. It's going to be hot. It's going to be

hot in the kitchen. What's that, Gump? Rams-Niners is the last week they play. That could be for everything. They're all division games the last week. Yeah, because they had the conference travel 17th game already early in the season. No more bye weeks, by the way. No more bye weeks.

Everybody's going to play all the way through. Who you got is who you have. Damn right. I like that. I like when there's no more bye weeks. Me too. The Colts got the last weekend for the bye. Good for them.

Congrats to them. They're kind of rolling, though. I know. Big game on Saturday. I was a guy coming out of bye week where I thought I was going to potentially forget how to punt a ball, like if I didn't play in a game. So I'd be punting wherever I went on the bye week throughout the entire thing. So I didn't really take a week off on my leg. But if I was at the beach, I be punting wherever i want on the bye week throughout the entire thing so i didn't

really take a week off on my leg but if i was at the beach i'm putting on a beach you know i mean it was just nice to kind of get away refresh in there will the team lose some chemistry they move up in the standings off the bye will they come out of it a little sluggish is that what you think the packers look like that maybe early huh no i don't know if they will or not. I know every team kind of handles it different. Some teams do seem to. It's a bit clunky when they're coming out of the bye. But the good ones, that may be like that for the first quarter, first half maybe, and then they usually figure it out and kind of get back into the rhythm.

I hope the Colts go on a run. That'd be cool for the city and the show. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be all right. But maybe after this week they can start their run. Hey, big time Saturday night game. Hell yeah. Both teams off a bye. Yeah, both'd be all right. But maybe after this week, they can start their run to finish. Hey, big time Saturday night game. Hell yeah. Both teams off a bye.

Yeah, both of us. Bill Belichick scouting for two weeks. Sorry. What? You think I'm worried? What are you talking about? You've been watching Hard Knocks, dude? Frank Reich watches his film.

So does Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick watches Hard Knocks. He has a guy that says, hey, you just watch Hard Knocks, and then as soon as you see a board, pause that son of a bitch and see what you can make out of the bad one. Yeah, we're not allowed to send cameras in all these buildings anymore. Yeah, so we have to use Hard Knocks. It's the fact that they're doing it.

We need to take banjo. That is something that every team, and that's why A.J. and I, immediately upon the Colts getting it, I think old-school football people were all like, oh, no. It's already hard enough to win. Why would you give anybody anything more than what you've given on film? Why would you let anything else potentially happen?

And they said, no, they got it locked down the way it is. But also as the world is changing, I think we're learning a lot more about NFL and teams and strategy and everything like that. I don't know how much more could be garnered potentially from hard knocks, but all you need is one non-blurred out special teams play and Bill Belichick's like, oh, they're in a little heavy set over there. What's that mean? Oh, we got to prepare for something.

All right. You watch every single play that has ever happened in this fucking sport. Tell me what happens in that particular thing, Matt, Patricia. Fucking get your taekwondo roga into the goddamn cave and watch everything. I guess that is what the worry has always been, Matt, Patricia, fucking get your Ticonderoga into the goddamn cave and watch everything. I guess that is what the worry has always been though, by NFL people about floats flying over practice or anything like that is any little piece of information

could be an edge. Even schedule, like even how they schedule their day is a thing. I know coaches are very protective of, and they don't want other like organizations. No, when a lot of teams do it now where they don't practice Friday and they practice Saturday and they don't want other like organizations. No, when a lot of teams do it now where they don't practice Friday and they practice Saturday and they call it like their Friday day is like walkthrough slash big rehab day. And you have like different stations you can go to when that was like starting to kick up in the NFL. I know like coaches were trying to be real secretive on how they schedule

those days, what they did, what the Saturday looks like. Who cares, man? Like you have guys getting cut and traded from teams every single week. You have new guys in your facility every week. If someone wants the info, if they want to

know what your schedule is like, they can figure it out. That was when Chip Kelly came in. Remember, he brought all the Oregon nutritionists and science. Talk to the guys that played for him. Piss test every single morning to test your hydration. If your hydration wasn't on point, they would run you extra after practice and

do all i just sounded brutal well then here's your protein shakes this is what you're eating you are a iron deficient person okay so we add a little bit of uh fish into your protein shake okay you're gonna pee here we tested your piss it appears if you're a tequila drinker what okay well you're getting piss dressed for that every single day And they were the ones that brought in the Saturday workout before a Sunday game. Get the blood flow. Your body actually responds better from that via a sitting off or sitting out. Because we had a couple guys come from Philadelphia.

Colt Anderson, my personal protector, the Montanimal, an absolute stud from Montana, a guy who's coaching now. He came over, and on Saturday, he would start doing these real workouts in the gym. Like, I would just do a couple, you know, let's get these arms pumped a little bit, and we got to walk through, then we're going home. He was doing, like, full workouts on Saturdays.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? He was like, ah, sports science. There's a thought that getting a workout the day before actually maximizes your outcome the next day or something like that. It has become a lot of that. Because we're always Friday on Saturday, walk through, get out. And then as I heard that kind of change, I was like, really? Interesting. And then when I called the Packers-Lions game and we went to the Saturday practice, I was expecting not a lot of shit to happen.

A lot of shit was happening. They were like throwing deep. It was real practice. Yeah, I was there when we switched and started doing that where the Friday was like the rehab walk-through day and then Saturday was your normal Friday practice. Yeah, and it's it was legit practice and trying to be on and off the field as quick as

you can, but like get some good burst in there and run around and bounce around and then hopefully the next day, like with their sports science, they say you're you know, more springy, your legs have more in them, like all this less lactic acid, I guess. I don't know. I mean, I like the schedule. I like the change.

Oh, so you believe that science, but mouth guard science. I mean, I didn't mind it. Like I liked having that Friday day. It was cool. And Saturday practice, whatever. As long as it's not a two-hour practice on Saturday. What about mouth guard science? Why didn't you believe any of them?

I mean, for me personally, it just didn't work. How come? I'm not going to tell you what to do or anyone else, but for me, I don't like it. Why? I like to be able to speak. I like to be able to breathe, and I hate wearing a mouthpiece. Probably wouldn't have had to get four root canals. Yeah, what about your teeth?

Yeah, his teeth were disintegrated. Give and take. I wish Walt Anderson would have looked in your mouth and said, Open your mouth. There's no rule. There's no rule. College there is, right? I didn't wear it in college. I stopped after my sophomore year.

Oh! Dude's a maverick, bro! Oh, shit. You're such an outlaw. There's no rule. Have you ever seen him, hey, 15-yarder, this guy's not wearing his mouthpiece. They don't do that. Well, I mean,

maybe they should look out for people's teeth, but there is a lot of people that hate the mouth. I never wore one. I don't know what I would do. That'd be awesome if you had a huge mouthpiece hanging off your face mask. The fucking baby binky one? With the strap to the tooth on it? That would have been awesome.

Let me fucking strap it up, dude. In college, it's a timeout. You take timeout from them. Really? Whoa. So when I had that hit against Denver, you know, Trindon Holiday, after it happened, the ref who I knew, I forget who it was,

but I always had a pretty good relationship with the refs. Well, I guess not is what I'm hearing. But I always interacted and acknowledged them. So this show is nothing different than what I did in real life. And I feel like, you know, if they're in sports, they can take at least a little bit of shit talk for whatever decision they make. He comes running over to me, Pat, you okay? And I look at him, I'm like, yeah, this is on no mouthpiece.

I remember, on no mouthpiece, the guy said or whatever, and then he kind of jogged off. He almost gave me like, oh, that was awesome type thing, though. I'm sure he was thinking that. He can't get caught on a mic saying that, obviously. See, I've gotten a couple compliments from refs, and I've enjoyed them, and I thought it made them human, actually, but if the fans were to hear it, they'd be furious about it.

I had a good pun or whatever, and I think Sterritory one time was like, rocket, Patty, absolute rocket i'm like oh thank you gene like jogging off but if somebody heard that they're like is this guy a fucking fan of somebody on the colts does that mean he's screwing over our team uh not a lot of ref conversation today the bills fans have a gripe with the dig situation the bears fans have a couple gripes because of some coverage stuff and some logistical stuff but today i think not as much ref talk as normal, AJ. This is good news.

I feel like the last couple weeks, at least you haven't been ranting as hard as you usually do on the refs. You're right. Maybe it is just me. Well, they had a good day. Hey, good on you. Good on you. Good on you.

Bengals, too, actually. I just remembered they got a taunting call on Von Bell. Oh, yeah, and it was a pretty pivotal time. Were people mad about this one? Oh, yeah, I was. I can't believe this dude got kicked out for this. I cannot believe this. This guy.

Big Mike loved it. Absolutely. Big Mike was actually there in the shot looking at it, and then you see him walk out of the shot. It's not like Big Mike went to stop it. No, Big Mike was like, all right, go ahead. Go ahead, Lale. You've got to hit your quarterback.

Do what you've got to do. Kellen Moore there. Hey, I'm going to throw the ball with four minutes left up a bunch. Don't you worry about it. Don't you worry about it. Without Leo Collins in. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Ridiculous. What are they doing? Why is he doing that? I thought you paid Zeke all that money to give him the goddamn ball. What are we doing? Run the clock. Is it becoming a storyline? I don't like that he got thrown out for that, though.

15 maybe. But I don't like that he got thrown out for that. I think we should have been, you know, obviously, can't do this, can't like that he got thrown out for that, though. 15 maybe, but I don't like that he got thrown out for that. I think we should have been, you know, obviously, can't do this, can't do that. But also, what about sticking up for your teammate and being like a great teammate? How come that isn't like factored in at all by the ref? Because I guess the ref got deboned by the guy who got pushed. Right. It's hard to see past that.

The ref kind of got punked out right there. That's on us. Intent should be taken into consideration, but it's obviously not. Not when you get fined and not in this. Isn't the rule book say, hey, if you throw a punch, you're out? Yeah, but he hit low. That's the question. What is a punch is my question.

Yeah, because some people open hand and it's 15. And then some people. If you open hand them hard, they consider it a punch though, don't they? Well, yeah, but then sometimes it's considered just 15. It's like a pick and choose thing. So I feel like sometimes it is intent, are both people going at it, and then I guess if the ref doesn't get just fucking deboned out. What if it's a really hard two-handed push to his face mask?

Is that a punch? Or just a poorly placed block. Hey, just hands to the face. Yeah. That's what makes no sense is some of those where like the hands to the face calls, like those guys will get deep up

in the face mask and like be very violent about it and they don't treat it, you know, it's just five yard penalty. Zito said he found the rules here. Rule summary, view official rule,

article one, prohibited acts. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct that applies in any act contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship such acts specifically include among others throwing a punch or a forearm or kicking an opponent even though no contact is making at an opponent uh kicking at an opponent even if you has bola oh yeah if you has well if you give a swing or you back up or anything like that, remember that one straight kick that Hasbulla delivered at that one UFC event?

Oh, yeah. But there was another one that he didn't connect. That would have been grounds for disqualification if you do that. But if you start swinging, TJ Watt, I guess, in his celebration. Careful. Cassius Marsh. Oh. The best roundhouse kick there is.

Hey! That fucking guy. That thing was awesome. And then afterwards, I told you motherfuckers I was going to do that in practice. I told you I was going to do the roundhouse backhand spring, springy, full gi, black belt, spinning kick thing. And I did it right here in your fucking face. And then that's a penalty. Get him out of here.

Did Joey Bosa get flagged for his? Celebration? Yeah, I don't think so. Great celebration. I would love to see more of that. That's awesome. Let's go back to the rules here. Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents,

teammates, officials, or representatives of the league. So if Roger Goodell is on the sideline and you make a big-time catch, fuck you, Roger. Yeah, get him. Get him out. That'd be awesome if it didn't look at him, but he yelled at him as you catch it. You'd notice he's on the sideline.

Walt Anderson sitting down there like this on the sideline or whatever. Somebody, one hands, one catches it. Fuck you, Walt. Can't do it. Can't have it. Troy Vincent down there getting chewed out by somebody. Boom, 15 yards. Get him out of here. That's unsportsmanlike conduct so the way they write this rule is the refs can do whatever whenever however yeah pretty much punching at kicking at swinging

without making contact abusive language threatening language insulting language or gestures to anybody at any time it's basically like if you feel like it's anything, it could be. Which is a lot of power for some people. Look at number three. Did you read number three yet? Using baiting or taunting acts or words that may Exactly. What is that? Engender ill will.

Engender? Does that mean create? I believe so. Why do you have to use the word engender? I don't know if I've ever seen it used. So this is a lot of what happened with the contract between us and FanDuel. Me and Phil were like, I ain't doing this. Can we reword this? And to FanDuel's credit, they absolutely were like, hey, we got you.

You guys are a couple of stooges when it comes to this type of stuff. We normally deal with just other lawyers that are taught all of these words and what all these things mean. And that's why rule books potentially are tough to read because it's literally written for somebody else who has to go through an entire education system to understand and read what it is in gender is probably a word that a lot of the smart people that are new to watching this show are thinking to us how did you idiots not know this existed well it's because we're not supposed to know what it means. That's why it's put in his rule book for people that are much smarter

than us to be able to throw around and make us feel stupid about it. But anyways, the way the rules are written is anything that happens could be used as unsportsmanship. Well, and then you got a guy like Tony Carrente who reads that and he's like, oh, okay, I'm going to throw 150 flags today. Fuck these guys. Yeah, man. Stick my pooper

out and if some guy bumps into it, I'm going to throw a flag. Whoa, whoa. Got Yeah, man. Stick my pooper out, and if some guy bumps into it, I'm going to throw a flag. Whoa, whoa. Got you there. Boom. Don't hit me. I've got stripes on. Don't hit me.

I've got stripes on. You hit me. I'm going to fucking throw a flag. Boop, you hit me. Fuck you. Can't do anything. That was awesome. I think the refs should be penalized or marked down in their grading system

when they throw the flag with such arrogance and pride, and they hold their arm up. I saw one last week. I forget who it was yesterday where in the end zone, this ref just threw it up and kept his arm in the air and just stared at the player. I was like, you punk, man. You got to watch the wind. It blows from right to left or whatever it is.

I think some of them are impressive, though. Some of them huck that thing like 17, 18 yards, and it lands right on the spot that it happened because you heard Pereira talk about, you know, before the immediate potential review happening in their ear, you used to have to be accurate with your yardages with your throws of your flags. That used to be something.

Like spot of the foul, where was it? Well, where did he throw that fucking flag from? From, I don't know, 45 yards away. Right there. away right there oh that must be it okay that might be 20 yards off we have no the only person that knows is the ref that's seen it and then the film that was watched the next day now it's all kind of casually created there but i do enjoy watching who is you know who's more of a dart thrower who's a a lobber? The lobbers are the best. They are not happy. They are fucking, I cannot believe I'm being disrespected right now. Get out of here!

It is awesome. Absolutely awesome. There's some rules or some statements coming out of Urban Meyer. Demetrius Harvey at Demetrius 82. Hey, when this guy was playing tight end, rocking the number 82. Jesus, Demetrius used to be a problem down the seam. Yeah. He was a ball player.

Fucking A. Great ball player. He says, Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer was asked about Andre Sisco playing more. Again, he said, Sisco is playing a little bit more, I believe. I don't have his numbers in front of me. Sisco played zero defensive side. This dude has no idea. Herbs. This dude's got no clue. Cisco played zero defensive stuff. This dude has no idea. Herbs.

This dude's got no clue. That's a tough one. That's like an answer I would get if you asked me about him. Like, because I don't know what he's doing.

Yeah, he's doing great. He's going to get a lot more reps now. That's exactly what you and me both, I was reading that and I didn't know

that guy existed. I was like, who is this guy? And then turns out Urban has no idea either. Nope. I don't have my numbers in front of me,

you know, that are put together by somebody else who pays attention to the fucking game if you watch what i'm watching my head's dying most of the time because i can't watch your shit and that's why i'm asking why everybody's a bunch of losers every every day there seems to be something coming out to make you think what the fuck is urban meyer doing in the nfl he has to be regretting this decision wholeheartedly every day. Do you think once he saw all these college coaches getting monster contracts too,

he's like, I should just wait around for six more months. $100 million. I was wearing my whistle on a set of Fox. I was ready. I could have done that in LA. I would have been there the whole time. Oh, my God. Now I'm in Jacksonville.

My team hates me. My family can't be happy. My team hates me. Why? My family can't be happy. Why? My legacy's destroyed. Why? And Brian Kelly's dancing down in Baton Rouge. He's got to be so upset. Mind blown.

How was Brian Kelly's accent not getting more attention? It did. Oh, did you see the new dance clip? Yeah. not gotten more attention. It did. Oh, did you see the new dance clip? Yeah.

Baton Rouge. He starts really, I think this is his first time in there. Oh, I like what we're doing down here. Hell yeah. Oh, no. He looks as uncomfortable as I would be in that situation. No, no.

The kid for sure. Brian Kelly is right in his wheelhouse. I don't want to drip like Dabo, but you turn on fucking Baton Rouge, I will run these feet on this platform. Let me grind up on your back now, son. He is taking the whole platform from the kid. Up in Notre Dame, normally we drop it low, but down here in Louisiana,

we just take this thing slow. I mean, he definitely thought that whole thing was about him and not the kid. Well, he just landed fucking Walker Hard. Yeah, Walker. Good player. Five stars. That's a sweet name. Walker Hard?

Of course. I love that kid. Do you think guys see that? They're like, fuck it. I want to go do that. I want to sign with LSU right now. Back to back with Brian Kelly and doing the fucking. You think he takes requests?

Like, is there any song? Yeah. Ox Chord is ready. Probably. Or is it just Baton Rouge because LSU? Is it Baton Rouge? I don't know. I'm sure he's open to.

Brian Kelly's going to get sick of that song. That song is going to change by the next wave of recruits that come through there for sure. He's going to put out a Christmas single version of it. Oh. One week. Me and my family, Baton Rouge. Wheat teeth on front of the blue. I love it.

Hey, who did he hire? Who was his staff? I don't think anyone. I think we haven't heard yet. I don't know. Solo. Dolo. Yeah, I think he's doing it all.

He's doing it all. So this is. He's coaching the whole team. Old school. Old school. Hey, he actually brought in Walker Howard because Walker Howard plays quarterback, linebacker, and kicker. That's right. All right. Hey, he actually brought in Walker Howard because Walker Howard plays quarterback, linebacker, and kicker.

That's right. So Brian Kelly gets to coach him just one player at a time, plays every position. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day. There's a lot of things you could listen to. The fact that you allow us to be some of the people that infiltrate your ear holes is so incredibly kind of you. I'm eternally grateful, indebted forever, and so damn appreciative of every single one of you.

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