The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 567 - Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Al Michaels, Davis Mills, Peter Schrager, Dr. Drew, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys are joined by five great guests in an absolutely stacked show. First, Al Michaels joins the show to chat about his relationship with John Madden and how he changed football forever (6:55-19:47), Next, Peter Schrager joins the progrum to discuss everything going on in the NFL as we approach the playoffs, and John Madden's influence on the game of football (43:33-1:07:33), followed by Texans Rookie Quarterback, Davis Mills to chat about his season in Houston and what he's learned so far and why he's excited for the future (1:09:37-1:20:19). Later, Coach Chuck Pagano joins the show for Coach Us Up Chuck to discuss all the pertinent news stories floating around the NFL right now, and to share some great stories (1:20:21-1:52:39). Lastly, Dr. Drew joins the progrum for a candid conversation about Covid, the vaccines, where we're at in the pandemic, and what's going to happen on the other side of this (1:57:57-2:24:33). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach Us Up Chuck. Wednesday, December 29th already. 2022 is right around the corner, but today we have a packed show. A lot of things that happened on the show yesterday, more specifically things that happened with Aaron Rodgers on the show yesterday, have thrown us into quite a conversation with a lot of people. Figured we might as well get a doctor on the show. Boom! Dr. Drew's here. Can't wait to chat with him. Al Michaels, friend of the show, back talking about John Madden, the legend that we lost in the NFL community. Pete Schrager, Coach Chuck Pagano, and Davis Mills, quarterback for the Houston Texans. A.J. Hawk is back. The boys crush it. What a day. If you like the show, by the end of it, please be a friend. Tell a friend.

If not, just act like it never happened. Here we go. I would like to lead off, though, because I learned about a man last night while watching a documentary that I have the immense amount of respect for. I was not a gamer growing up. He retired in 2009, the year I got into the NFL, so I didn't get a chance to meet John Madden or listen to him call any of the games we were on. I had heard his work, but because I wasn't a gamer, because I didn't meet him personally, I don't think I necessarily had an affinity for John Madden. I got that people liked him.

I understood John Madden was a big deal. The name was a big deal. After watching the All Madden documentary last night, I was wrong for not learning about this man more. What a trailblazer in the coverage of sport, more specifically football, broadcasting, the ability to connect with people both in the large cities and in the world that is the Midwestern United States of America. His ability and graciousness to talk to everybody and do everything and make a game not only informative but entertaining. I love that documentary last night fox sports one ran it uh because obviously he passed away and the world

was mourning his loss especially at all four major networks in which he worked and had friends with and the amount of people he brought together in connection and they people peyton manning bill belichick tom brady patrick mahomes Mahomes, Lamar Jackson Everybody was in this thing Talking about his influence On the game of football I did not know enough about him While he was alive That's on me

100% I would like to say it's probably because There was this one time When I was 12 years old I was playing my brother in Madden. My brother, big time gamer. Polar Ops, a human to me, my brother, big time gamer. Great at video games.

I was not. I bounced around. Playing Madden against my brother, 2, 3 a.m., one of his friend's houses. I had the lead. It's the fourth quarter, fourth down. I'm up four. He called a timeout with like 16 seconds left, 10 seconds left. I had to punt him the ball.

I had the ball. I had to punt him the ball. Poor clock management looking back on it now. I probably could have maybe kept the guy in bounds and not had, you know, like there's something I did wrong probably in the final two minutes that lost that game. But it came down to basically a punt play to end it, me up for first time ever going to beat my brother. I punt him the ball. He returns it all the way to the end zone, turns around, runs back to his end zone, turns around, runs all the

way back and scores and beats me. Okay. Obviously no time left. At that exact moment, I said, I fucking hate punting. Okay? Hate it. Don't love it. I fucking hate video games and I hate this Madden game for sure. And that one night,

2 a.m., 3 a.m., against my brother, you know, really probably set me on a course to never really play video games again.

And if I would have stuck in it, I probably would have been a much better football mind play video games again. And if I would have stuck in it, I probably would have been a much better football mind before I got in the NFL. I probably would have learned football at a much better rate. I probably would have got a chance to enjoy the brain that is Madden that I'm learning about. But because I had that one experience with a much better Madden player against me, it kind of changed my life. And I think that is the thing I thought about last night. If I would have kept a guy in bounds and let the clock run and I win that game, I probably get addicted to Madden. I probably learn all these things about John Madden. I probably know so much more about football. And

that is what Madden was to football. That video game introduced the world to the NFL. It introduced the world to football. It taught people football. And that was by design. John Madden wanted the world to understand the sport that he loved so much. He was a coach literally until his dying day who gave everything he had to the sport of football. And he did it in a different way. And a lot of people last night, you know, there were some executives on that documentary last night that I, you know, was interested to see them talk about being forward thinking in the coverage of sports. All right. Okay.

But the entire take that he changed the way games are covered and he changed sports coverage and everything like that, 100% real. And I wish, and there won't ever be, I wish there was another or more John Maddens out there that understood that the game should be celebrated, the game should be absolutely exciting, entertaining, and you should learn while you're watching the game. I miss John Madden already. I missed John Madden through my entire life, and I'm happy I got a chance to learn a little bit about him last night, and I would like us all to have a moment of silence for an absolute icon. The Madden Cruiser

was so cool. I was watching an old Madden documentary and we'll talk to Al Michaels who worked with him for seven years calling games today at about 1240 or so. I want to talk to Schrags in the second hour who i think was part of the entire documentary process i mean he was promoting it very hard oh yeah so i

assume he was part of that and we'll talk more and more about him but in the documentary i watched last night i learned that he got on one plane that flew across the country and he said immediately upon door shutting he had a panic attack and he said during the flight he wanted to rip the door shutting. He had a panic attack. And he said, during the flight, he wanted to rip the door off and jump off. He could have too. Big guy. Big guy. Fucking awesomely big guy,

by the way. I did not know that about him. He said he was fast too. He said he was fast. And he said to himself, if this plane gets on the ground where we're going, I'm never getting on a plane again.

He didn't. No, he didn't. I've said that, what? Probably four flights a week. Oh yeah. Sean Madden said, I'm actually not doing it. And then he changes the entire game.

Says, I don't give a fuck. I'll drive across Wyoming, get to this game. And in doing so, he starts meeting people at restaurants and like kind of getting the feel of the people that he's covering and the fans of the game. And he was an actual limb,

an actual branch of the NFL, was out on tour basically for six months meeting people. What a game changer. Rest in peace, John Madden. Thank you for everything, Coach. Rest in peace, Coach. Thank you, John. An absolute icon in the sports world,

worked alongside John Madden for seven years calling NFL games and was a massive, vital part of the All Madden documentary. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, Al Michaels. Yeah! How you doing, Al? Big friend of the show. Right. I mean, did you ever get to meet John?

Did you know John at all? So I actually led off the show with saying, I wasn't a video game player, and he retired in 2009. That was the year I got in. So I never got to meet him at any of the games or the practices or anything i didn't play video games so i didn't know much about him that documentary last night was i love i feel like i missed out on an absolute legend of a human and obviously a broadcaster i i was i was blown away by that man he was your

kind of guy i'm telling you and you were you were his kind of guy you know he loved to have fun you know with john it was one of the great things about john is he he didn't affect any other personality when he was on the air when you saw john madden that was john madden that's john madden 24 7 uh i call him a unicorn He's one of a kind. He established a new template for broadcasting. You know, Pat, remember in the, well, you don't remember, you probably weren't even born, but in the 70s and like early 80s,

football was treated on television like a religion. And the premier announcer back in the 70s, in the Lombardi era in the 60s, was a guy named Ray Scott. And Ray was great. Ray was a minimalist. And Ray would be the guy you'd hear him on NFL films these days.

He would go star, dollar, touchdown. And that's how you did the game. He and his analyst. And then John came along. And John made the game so accessible to fans. He took everything that was complicated and made it simple. And then, you know, things like, you know, telestrating the Gatorade bucket and then the baby bucket

and the pigeon runs out on the field. And that was John. Nothing was ever scripted. It was all ad lib. And he was a guy, one of the great things about having him as a partner, I could go anywhere with him, anywhere. And I know he'd be ready to respond in kind. So, Al, we were actually talking about that,

and we can't thank you enough for coming in and sharing even more insight on the legend that is John Madden. I honestly believe I missed out on a lot because of how old I was and also when I retired and not getting a chance to enjoy that human as a human. We were talking earlier. Everybody says he changed the game, you know. He changed the game. He changed the game, you know, he changed the game, he changed the game, but you listen to a lot of these games. I don't think there's

anybody that did it anywhere near, Hey, it's almost like surgery at this point. Some people, and when I retired and I started watching games, I actually thought to myself, Hey, this is a celebration. Like sports are supposed to be a celebration and fun. Aside from a couple of you broadcast booths, I think what you're talking about from way back, just being methodical, this is what you do, has creeped back in. Do you feel like that is the case,

and am I wrong in thinking that out? Well, he spawned a lot of imitators who tried to be like him, but you're right. Some of the guys who come off the field or off the sideline, the minute you hear somebody talking about a three technique, you know what I think about?

I want you to go to a mall. I want you to talk to 100 people, and I want you to find two who know what a three technique is. Okay? I mean, how hard is it to explain what a three technique tackle is instead of just leaving it as a three technique? You know what I'm talking about. So, John, there was never anything that John described where you went, what?

What's he really talking about? He was able to get to the essence of it, simplify the most complicated things, and that made it so accessible and relevant and fun. He was so much fun. and fun. He was so much fun. You know, the other thing, Pat, about John, you know, I think back, I worked with maybe the two most iconic broadcasters ever, John and Howard Cosell. And that was a whole different story, you know, back in the 70s and 80s. And Howard, by the end of his career, Howard was morose. He didn't want to be there. And it fed on the rest of the crew. And for the last two or three years of Howard's life, and he was just, he didn't want to be there and it fed on the rest of the crew and for the last two or three years of howard's life and he was just he became unhappy and his fit and he would show up

at a game and he would cast a pall upon the whole crew yeah john was the reverse he couldn't wait to get to the game we had a lot of fun and everybody who worked with him just loved him well i think that whole team aspect in morale is something that sometimes in the TV world doesn't necessarily happen. I think I've gotten an opportunity to do a lot of really cool things and see a lot of places. And that energy being drained out of a place can happen, especially if it's an important person. But also the energy that can be brought by people into a thing. That is a talent in of itself, I think, because there are some long days, especially for John, who was on this bus, the ability to show up every single day, enthusiastic, driven, and inspired. I think

that's something that doesn't get talked about a lot. And you, by the way, your old ass has been doing that for a long time, long time. You know, Pat, I think about, you know what it is in almost any business? You make the people around you better. And that's what John did. You know, he established a standard. He had the enthusiasm. He couldn't wait to get to the game. Everybody loved being around John.

It made them better. It made everybody want to go to work. Enthusiastic about going to work. Bring out their best. And of course, he did that as a coach. You know, the best winning percentage of any coach in history who won 100 or more games as a broadcaster. And then in the video game world,

you know, when he was involved in the Madden game, the formative stages of it, they came to him, can we throw your name on this game? And a lot of guys, you know, you own a him, can we throw your name on this game? And a lot of guys, you know, you own a restaurant. Can we put your name on the restaurant? You never show up, right? You eat across the street.

With John, John not only wanted to be a part of that game, he was immersed in that game. And he got with the engineers and he said, here's what we have to do. We have to make this look like real football. And how's that worked out through the years? Seven billion in total revenue i learned in the all madden uh documentary that the man to our left who not only crushes on sunday night football also a great pay you should be in more documentaries the way you hey it was great quotes whenever you're talking about a guy you care about

i assume hey this is my new platform i'm like aaron rogers i'm going on the path i've got something to say i'm coming i'm coming right on the show i need aj hawk on the show we're very thankful that that is the case we i have i got a chance to play while you obviously and you were you're in the nfl before me you're in the nfl long after me i got to meet you uh in a pre-game one time you and I think Chris were coming to talk to Vinatieri and I was just there and I remember shaking your hand introducing myself to you and then you walked away and I said I'm talking to Adam Vinatieri who's a hall of famer and I'm teammates with Peyton at this point I'm like man I'm fucking Michaels dude this is pretty sweet and then I go back down it really is I'm very lucky that you

come on the show and we're very thankful, especially today, to share your experiences about the icon that is John Madden. Go ahead, Ty. Al, one of the things that I thought was really interesting is, like, you know, for people from my generation, why do you think it is that, like, they – I mean, you don't really know anything about his coaching career, and it seems like that would kind of, like, atime football guy piss a guy like that off but like it didn't seem like he cared at all um about what people like the younger people that they knew him from the video game and that he wasn't you know one of the most brilliant

football minds ever like is it because he had the respect of his peers so it didn't matter or was he just such a jovial guy like did that ever really get to him not at all you know you're sitting there with a green bay uh sweatshirt on i'm thinking about would anybody know who curly lambo was oh if they didn't if they didn't name the stadium after him think about that he's forced out you know curly lambo is forced out of that yeah george hallis coached for 40 years he owned the team but four 10-year increments. I mean, people sort of know who Lombardi is. A lot of young people know because the trophy is named after Vince Lombardi. There were so many great coaches in those years, but everything is like the most

recent thing, especially if you're younger. So obviously more than half the country wasn't around when John Madden was coaching. I mean, he was a fabulous coach. He changed the template for broadcasting, and almost everybody now who's of a certain age knows him through the video game, and that game helped to create millions and millions of fans. That never bothered John. The only thing that I think was hugely important to John, when he finally got into the Hall of Fame, and he was a finalist a number of times. 28 years? Right, whatever it was, it was ridiculous. But he wanted to go in as a coach, as a coach only and exclusively. Even though we all know at that particular point, when these guys are voting, I mean, there's no way you divorce the rest of a career from coaching. So when people were voting for John Madden to get into the Hall of Fame,

they had to be thinking about what he was as a broadcaster. They had to be thinking about the video game. So it all came together. But it was very important for John to say, I got into the Hall of Fame as a coach exclusively. Yeah, and that is that moment listening to his kids speak and his wife Virginia in the documentary about him getting into the hall of fame and them coming on stage and crying and that that was like a very big dream and goal it felt like for a guy who had everything and

accomplished everything being acknowledged by his peers for his coaching gig but contributions to the game would have got him in as well I appreciate appreciate the fact that he's like, no, from what I did in coaching, though, please, please a little bit more respect. I like that a lot from that man. The bus, Al, the bus, the Madden Cruiser, that thing was legendary. Did you guys play cards on there? How did he pass the time? No internet.

He read books, watched film. What did he do on that thing? My over-under on the on the bus pat was one hour that's right so i never i never went across the country i never went farther than like boston to providence if we had a uh a game in in foxborough no the bus was fun we traveled to our production meetings but you know there were people who went across the country with john matt i don't know how he did it but but that was the way he had to travel because he got off a plane in 1979 and he it was interesting he was flying from tampa to san francisco but he stopped in houston and he said if the plane lands in houston he's getting off

the plane which he did. So somebody has the back end of that ticket. That would probably be worth $100,000 in some auction. The back end of the ticket from Houston to San Francisco. And he went to the train station. And he never got on a plane again. And I'll tell you something amazing that nobody thinks about right now. Virginia Madden, to whom he was married for 62 years, they celebrated their anniversary last weekend.

Virginia Madden at one point had a pilot's license. She took flying lessons. She did. She took flying lessons. So not that she manifested it. She never became a real pilot, but she got a license. And he was John who would never get on a plane. Never get on a plane.

Hey, Al, we know you have a lot to talk about today. I assume there's a lot of recollecting and reminiscing. We can't thank you enough for joining us, boss. Boys, I've got to be a regular on this show. You know that. Come on. Hey, is that real? Is that real?

Hell no. No, no, no. I'm not talking about the cigar. I'm talking about becoming a regular on the show. Oh, hell yes. Are you kidding me? Come on. You think I'm going to let Aaron Rodgers take the entire show every Tuesday night?

I tell you, Aaron is the best. He is the best in our production meetings. The best. You know that. So John, Matt, actually Brett Favre talked about it. He said, anytime i walked into a production meeting and madden was there it was going to be a good production meeting i assume those get a bit monotonous sometimes and then they do they do but but you know brett was terrific brett would get very long-winded and expansive and but it was that was fun and peyton manning of course was terrific. Brady was great, too. And it's too bad because when John's last year was 08, which was when Aaron was coming in.

So John really didn't get to know Aaron during that period of time. But when it comes to those meetings, I mean, Aaron is fantastic in those meetings. Fantastic. Well, I think he's only fantastic if he respects you. And I don't think there's anybody that doesn't respect old Al Michaels. Ladies and gentlemen, Al Michaels. Thank you, man. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen,

is a COVID survivor, a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, and he's back. Welcome back, A.J. Hall. Hey, welcome back, A.J. Welcome back, A.J. Welcome back, dude.

Good to see you. Yeah, good to be here. I know COVID didn't put me out any days, but I gotta take care of my kids sometimes, man. Have some fun with them. Oh, dad of the year, welcome back. Welcome back. We miss you. Hey, it's awesome.

And Dr. Drew, that was good. That was interesting to watch. Okay, let's dive right into it. This, I knew that you would be loving. No, I'm serious. If you recall, I got Dr. Drew booked a year and a half ago when he first came on the show with us. So that's interesting because he did at the end say, nice meeting you guys. And I actually said earlier today, has this guy ever been on?

And so both of us did not recall that conversation. But I do know, especially after telling you last night where you texted me, or I texted you, I said, Dr. Drew's on tomorrow. And you said, oh, good. You were actually pretty happy about me or I texted you, I say, Dr. Drew's on tomorrow. And you said, Oh good. You were actually pretty happy about it. I'm like, here we go. Um,

let's talk. I listened to his stuff. I listened to every once in a while. I hear him with Corolla and he does stuff with, uh, Tom Segura's wife and all that. Okay. So,

uh, your mom's house. So let's go to why we had Dr. Drew on. Okay. AJ. And I'm excited to get your take on this entire thing. Um, I was told I'm killing people. All right. Okay, AJ, and I'm excited to get your take on this entire thing. I was told

I'm killing people. All right? That's what I was told. I am killing people. There's a lot of conversations being had after yesterday's conversation. It was a reaction

to yesterday's show. As soon as he did the whole science thing, I actually, in the middle, as soon as he said it, I said, whoo!

That's actually what i said in the middle of a video that has like a million views right now in the middle of it i go you're gonna start some shit okay and it did by the way and then i got obviously uh attacked uh attached to that because you know i'm very lucky to have these conversations with these people aaron rogers included who's the odds on favor to go back to back with mvp also one of the you know deepest thinking humans maybe on planet earth so i enjoy the fact but i'm attached to it in the whole thing i get told you watch that while you're on the vacation on the internet and we're just like yeah fucking yeah this is all is that what you did yesterday as you saw me my name was trending

okay for nine hours and i just opened my favorite. I love Twitter. Fucking love it. It runs the internet. You know, never. It's the best place of a, can also be the worst, obviously, in a place that spreads information where, but I love, I love Twitter. Anytime I'd open it up, see my name, like, well, all right, I'm going to go back. I'm not going to go back in there.

You know, the Bill Burr approach. All right. Then I open it up. I see it. And I'm like, well, I'm killing people now. I have have to answer that i don't want to answer every human that is currently attacking me that's not my thing but insinuating that i am killing humans i think is you know probably where i draw a line i mean you can take shots i love good shit talk can't be the first time that's happened though i didn't get to see any of what aaron said i i have a good feeling

of what went on i know aaron texted me and said, you missed a good one. That's all I know from it, but I know there's some fallout from this. See, him even saying that to you, people are going to be so mad about, oh, Aaron's saying it's a good one now. He's joking about killing people. Oh, Aaron's saying it's a good one now. But anyways, this show, I appreciate the fact that people watch, and I understand with the public deal that just got announced.

Everybody's like, Oh, this motherfucker, you know what I mean? And I get it. I completely get it. I feel the same way about me a lot of the time, but also I do take a lot of pride in the fact that we are like the closest

thing I think to a football locker room. I honestly believe we, we are where I'm cool with people coming on this show this platform and people are going to come after me but however you there's a reason everybody feels the way they feel and i think you just and i even said this i got to see this clip uh when i was at west virginia i did this uh thing with a guy named murph rest in peace murph he was a legend of a man he worked at West Virginia and the Mountaineer Sports Network he was an editor and he did that whole thing

and I said I feel like everybody has a story you just got to like ask them in this little thing that was done and it was on Murph's computer and when Murph passed somebody that guy's computer was like hey Murph has this do you remember this it was like for some project something happened right it was for maybe something for the team and he sent it to me and I watched and computer was like, hey, Murph has this. Do you remember this? It was like for some project. Something happened, right? It was for maybe something for the team. And he sent it to me and I watched. And it was like crazy to see, you know, how, I mean, I was a fucking idiot then. I mean, I had a bald head at the time.

I think a mustache when I was speaking. I mean, it was obviously everything. But to hear that, I have always felt that way. Like, I think I'm a genuinely curious person. And it's because I had the incredible experiences in sports to go, you know, learn about a lot of different people and, and stuff. I mean, I was, I said this last week and I would like to mention when I was a teenager, I played soccer in Switzerland with a kid from Brooklyn who, uh, Brooklyn who was Muslim and was my roommate okay so not only am I learning

about like Switzerland and European I also learned about the the religion and he had a rug in a part of our room and the prayer time and like everything like that and from where I'm from you know like a working class community East Hills of Pittsburgh that was not something that was just you know like a working class community east hills of pittsburgh that was not something that was just you know so i feel like that was when i started being like oh okay so i'm hearing a lot about especially during that time this particular world that exists out here i'm getting a chance to meet talk muhammad was the man great soccer player talked a lot of shit I loved everything about him and I think like those experiences that I were very I was very fortunate to have because of sport then you go into a locker room with guys from you know and I've said this so many times but it should be said again because

I feel like it is a big part in a mantra of this show you go in a locker room and I'm in there smoking with dudes from Compton in South Florida. I'm from Pittsburgh and there's some millionaires kid that is also in the room with us drinking. And it's like, okay, if you were to zoom out and talk, these people have nothing in common. All right. But whenever you have sport, all of a sudden there is a common thing that you're all around so you can figure out a way to get through the differences through the arguments that potentially happen and you have a common goal and i i just i think this show i take a lot of pride in the fact and i like that our our group is amazing i am very lucky to work with whatever but i feel like i have always kind

of tried to set a standard that like everybody can talk however they feel. I would like to hear everybody's reasoning, their story. And that is what a locker room is. And I don't know if there's a lot of people that really appreciate that at this point. And it's,

it makes no sense to me. It's like, why would you not want to fucking learn more about people? We're in the information age. Everything is potentially available for you in your phone. But listening to other people that don't think the same as you is all of a sudden a nightmare. And I don't know why that is. And I never thought, and I said this on Instagram, I never thought I'd be the person that's the public voice.

But legit, fuck it, I will be. You should be able to disagree with people, think they're idiots, and move on with your life. I just don't know how. Common sense. That's absolute common sense. But I think a lot of it comes back to that dumb people are not curious. You won't find any smart, intelligent person that is not curious, I feel like, when you look out there in the world. Well, right now you're about to get slaughtered because this.

I think any person, any intelligence, any person has any intelligence at all, is very curious and always learning and always asking questions. Well, I think it's paramount. Obviously, life experience is number one and the paramount of who you are as a human. But then conversation, I think, is number two. Like I personally, I love I've called myself a conversationalist for a long time. I talked to fucking everybody.

I mean, I literally try to talk to everybody and I enjoy it. And I'll walk out of something and people are like, Oh, why do you waste your time in that small talk? It's like, well, I just learned this fucking guy just did blah,

blah. Like I enjoy that type of thing. I always have, but I have to be more responsible with this program. All right. So I would like to make an announcement that this program is to hear why and how whoever the fuck feels the way they fucking feel. And we've had to talk about all this because it is affecting the NFL mightily.

Okay? And these people in the outside world who are saying, you're a sports show, talk about sports. Well, your fucking part of the world is now getting into ours and ruining our best time of football. That's right. CDC goes from 10 days to five days. The NFL does the exact same thing.

Chris Mortensen reports that you actually don't even have to test negative if you haven't had symptoms for at least one day, which upset some people. Well, that goes back to what Dr. Drew said, right? Dr. Drew said today that once you test positive for the Omicron variant, now this is what Dr. Drew is saying, who people on the internet say isn't an actual doctor, even though he read off like six or seven degrees that he has in different fields of medicine. He's not an immunologist. Okay, whatever the case, we'll look for an immunologist.

He's not an epidemiologist. We will look for an epidemiologist to come on the show and do their thing. But what he said, and he said he's seen hundreds now of the Omicron variant. I think he's a practicing doctor at the time, currently. He said that what they're realizing is once you test positive, you're probably no longer infectious without short the virality of this entire thing. So I think that's why the CDC went down, even though the Delta CEO is allegedly the fucking reason.

Whatever the case, the NFL goes down. They say you don't even need a negative test, just no symptoms. This is the NFL saying, and the NFLPA saying, hey, we need these guys playing. Yeah. Okay, we can do it. The CDC just did this. The NFLpas is being

presented that the nfl say we'll test on mondays tuesdays okay for this entire thing we'll still test we got a five day it's a wild time right now but i think carson wentz is back and i feel like as these protocols continue to change through the playoffs as the games get more and more important there's a chance that this is less of a factor there's a chance that the real world shit that has come into our league is less of a factor aj well just going 10 days to five is a huge factor that's a guy can miss one game instead of two is carson like already back has he already served his five days no no no yesterday yesterday was day one so he should be back for the next you know the next game yes that was kind of the report actually tom pelissero when he read off the memo that was sent

through his Neuralink, he actually alluded to Carson Wentz. For instance, Carson Wentz would be able to play by Sunday. So the rules, which by the way, might have come from MSC self-report symptoms still. Yes, but the vaccinated

and non-vaccinated being treated the exact same in this fashion so you know aaron was doing a lot of there's two tiers here what is this all about now that we have stats and he was attacked for i mean the vaccinated could still test out early before the five days as well so the non-vaccinated have to wait five days you get a five-day sentence dude yeah i was actually reading through the the neuro link and it's pretty it's actually you don't need to be thumped up palisado to read through this one it's actually pretty simple oh you got rocks for brains you're reading through okay and people are going to question aj's questioning of who's intelligent and who's

not intelligent right yeah those people should know those those people should so this is going to become something you can come at me that's fine so this is like six protocol changes my opinion just like dr drew has opinion so do i well yeah your opinion isn't science though is something that was tweeted to yesterday what is you have rock for science is something that comes to an hypothesis and then there's a peer review and then dude i don't know i dropped out of. Jesus. And it was a communications major. I mean, what are you? There's a lot of people with a lot of degrees out there on TV that I don't think it helped them a whole lot. Well, self-awareness is a degree that I think is the one.

You know what I mean? Like, you should just know who you are, what you are, why you are, and what people should care about coming out of your mouth. You know? And that's a degree that should be in journalism school. And it is. And realize it's not all about you. You don't have to make everything about yourself. If something happens, you don't have to tie it into you

and say how it affects you and what this person's doing. I said I was killing people for having the MVP on the guy. That can't be the first time that's happened. They've had to say that before. I haven't seen it. I mean, that's been the thing, though? Like, if you're not doing exactly what somebody thinks

you should do, then you're killing your grandma? Oh, yeah, I guess that kind of has, but I got vaccinated, so I was doing to save my grandma. I'm sure there's some people who said you were vaxxed, but if you didn't wear four masks, your grandma, you know, you don't like her. You're basically cutting her head off. I was not attacked by any... What the hell's wrong with you listen you don't have i'm taking

it to the extreme to show you how irrational some things can be at this moment yeah you're right hey thank you well done hey thank you welcome back anyways what happened to connor uh he so he he'so- Funny you should ask. Self-reported symptoms, took the test. Guess who? Ha, ha, ha. Anyway, so he, we don't know when he will be back. I don't know what to do now because the NFL's protocols have changed about five, six times over the last two weeks.

Two, five, six times they've changed. CDC obviously just made their change. I don't know how much the CDC has changed. I've not paid attention, but I do know that the NFL has changed a lot here since league meetings in Irving, Texas. Now there's an entire new memorandum that has to be filled out. This could all be different tomorrow, right? I mean, this could all be different tomorrow or next week. And it probably should change, shouldn't it, as the science changes and we learn more about this?

Well, the science changing. you need to stop questioning i guess the virus changing us learning more about i mean you you're really dancing with this medical community with the way you're speaking i don't have any answers i told you i don't have any answers but i'm saying shouldn't they always be reevaluating what they're doing yes the nfl will continue to do that but what i'm saying is by the time Super Wild Card Weekend comes, there's no way the NFL is going to have anybody miss those games. No, I think at the very least

this means that from here on out we aren't going to see anyone sitting out longer for five days. They might drop it down because like you said, they saw that graphic that we used yesterday and they said hey, guess what? We're not fucking doing that another weekend, okay? These guys got to play play they had similar graphics yeah i assume they made their graphics and they had a pointer probably yep okay here's the covet cases all right here's severity

all right here's here's all of our players money that we spent that isn't playing and then here's the ratings okay so we need to figure this one out we need to figure this thing out let's give a call to the cdc and the delta ceo yeah you know that's what people will say actually happening i mean wait what what would the delta ceo do uh well dr drew debunked it dr drew debunked it what was the theory well the internet immediately upon the upon the CDC dropping from 10 days to 5 days, which immediately changed the NFL protocol, which is great news for us.

The Delta CEO is trending because the Delta CEO spoke to the CDC and said, hey, listen, we can't have fucking 4,000 flights being delayed or canceled over the holidays. We're losing our ass. So CDC the next day said, alright, we'll go 10 days to five days. Ed Bastian's pissed.

Change it. How about that? The Delta CEO is the first person ever to go to CDC and say, hey, I'm losing money or I'm making money. That's crazy, man. It's fucking. I just that is the thing that I wanted to ask Dr. Drew. I don't know enough about it, but I see these things happen where I'm like, how has this. Let's move along.

Super Wild Card weekend. Super Wild Card weekend. We should have some stars out there. I think they will. They want to have that weekend. Is that not – Best weekend ever. Best. It's all the best teams.

There's a lot on the line. There's nothing else on. All day Saturday. All day Sunday. Let's go meaningful football. And now one on Monday. And, yeah, Monday night game as well. I mean, super wild card weekend is inching its way into, thank God, it's Monday.

I mean, this is going to be awesome. There's no way the NFL. And here's another thought, too. You get it. Like, Carson has the five-day sentence. He's not tested for 90 days, which is after the Super Bowl. So now there's a whole conversation, and Diggs brought it up to me while we were crossing swords and paths to go piss.

Streams. Yeah, we were crossing paths. He was going out, I was going in, but we were both doing the same thing. He said, is there a thought to be had that everybody should get it right now if you're on a playoff running team so you don't even have to get tested for the rest of the way? If you're already clinched, you might as well go look. Thanks. People rest players.

People said that about Alabama early on. Remember when they had a bunch of guys get it before the season started? Yeah, and this happened for the Dallas Stars too, I think, to start this NHL season. Dallas Stars, everybody. Last season, but you may have mentioned the Cowboys are one of the teams that is poised to go on a run and haven't had a massive outbreak, I don't believe, and they could be looking at something soon

because it seems like it's gotten everyone. They've managed to stay away from it so far somehow, but if that hits in the next couple weeks. What do they got in Jerry World? Do you think they have those car wash things? Remember teams had those? Broncos. Denver, yeah.

Turns out those were actually spreading COVID more. Maybe Jerry walks the locker room four times a day spraying it like we saw early on. It's probably all that salt on the dogs. Oh, they got the COVID sniffing dogs that were down at the Miami Heat game. You remember them? Was that 15 months ago? No, that's going to be actually in a video I'm making right now.

Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How come? Where are these dogs? Let's get Caesar. Let's get Vinny up. The Soma brother who's a dog trainer. Vinny. Shout out Vinny.

Vinny Soma. There's a very popular dog trainer from our hometown. Coach JB is a dog breeder and trainer, right? Okay. We should get that. That Ash dog is a beautiful dog. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a beautiful dog.

I don't know if we need JB doing this. I'm not sure he is the proper guy to be teaching dogs how to smell covid how come we weren't doing that why wasn't that the full focus at one point miami heat dogs smelling covid come to the game don't be scared these dogs will make sure nobody has covid coming in there was no covid outbreak right no so the dog sniffers were accurate. Yeah. Then he bounced. They were at some other event.

Maybe Jerry does have that entire facility outlined and surrounded by the COVID testing dogs. It's also possible that the dogs themselves got COVID and lost their sense of smell. Only to the weak. So there was only a couple dogs that really kept their smell. I would imagine PET after him didn't they and say you're exposing these dogs to covet because they remember like a tiger tested positive early on in a zoo and people that's only cats could get it bro when i had covet when i had covet i was scared when my three-legged cat scootsie would come in a room i'm like scootsie i'd like to say hello to you but i'm not gonna ask on him well scootsy's you know feisty only got three legs scoots around i don't know if we would have been able to strap

up to the ears she's like forever a kitten but that was at a time that happened you're right maybe it was peter coming after and shutting it down but peter had to have gone after a guy who was all the way back allegedly so i mean there's what do we know we don't know shit about fuck let's move along here let's talk a little football before we get peter schrager on here to chit chat about john madden passing away did you know john madden did you get a chance to meet him i so when was his last year in the league uh al michael said 2008 on the documentary he said he retired in 2009 so okay i think he worked a few games because i played in those thanksgiving games a lot i don't know if he worked at thanksgiving game that i was in but i'm sure i i met him yeah that's it but

yeah he's the man everything about him like i had that's the last gaming system i had was super nintendo and i used to play madden on super nintendo back when i was like 10 did you did you uh go to those production meetings every week uh not every week but i went to them a decent amount you were the one from the defense that was asked. I mean, Mike got to see you on your A.J. Hawk. Hey, we need him in the production. No, something just depends on the year and time.

Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes. Because Al Michaels and Brett Favre said John Madden in those production meetings was just amazing. It was awesome. It was a good time. Do those get a bit boring? I guess it depends on the crew.

Like, I knew, like, Sir Go saragusa remember he was on a crew for a little while like i was in a few of them with with saragusa and moose like they were those were a lot of fun i would just pepper saragusa pumping up tell him about hey man you're great in 25th hour like all the movies that he what was he he was in that remodeling show too he was uh he was remodeling man cave type show he was in sprannos for a little bit too fucking love saragusa. There's another guy, by the way, changed the way sports was covered. Saragusa, he had that role on the field that changed the game.

Changed the game. He did that entire thing. You and I sat in my first ever production meeting with Baylor. I'd never been invited to one of those. I didn't even know this happened. I had no idea that even happened really. And we're talking to those kids. There's no way I did it right.

I mean, there's no way. No, you're great. There's no right or wrong way to do it. You're just trying to get a little bit of info that you can use during the game. And I think you did that well. As soon as I walked in when I did that Lions-Packers one, every human that walked into the room started laughing whenever they opened the door.

What's that about? It was Joe Philbin. Joe Philbin and I had a great relationship. He was the interim head coach. He's the man. Joe's the man. Joe opens the door, looks at me, starts laughing and smiling, and sits down, you know?

And I didn't ask the first question. Somebody, I forget who the. Robert Smith. Robert Smith. Robert Smith might have asked the first question. I forget who was the play-by-play. It was the same, wasn't it the. Oh, Kutcher.

Just Kutcher? Sean. Whatever. Great guy. they started the thing sean was without me and you but yeah uh they're all great people incredible people amazing people unbelievable people whenever they they were asking questions and then it got to me to ask a question you know philbin like changed his entire stance and looked at me and i'm like how's it going dude that's literally that was my that was my question And then just like a conversation happened. And then Aaron came in, right?

Then Aaron came in. And then the linebacker came in. And then we go over to Detroit. And Stafford's the first one. As soon as Stafford comes in the room, he just starts laughing. And he looks at me. And we start having a conversation. And I feel like he got into like some of his cliche answers he gives in every one of those things.

So I hit him with some other stuff. and he kind of opened up a little bit. Then Patricia comes in, starts to laugh, like dying, laughing. Basically, I guess he hates the media. I guess that is, that's something he does. So their PR was like, Hey, best one he's ever had. Those things. That's a part of the job that I could see getting a bit old, you know, like for you.

The good thing is though,, you mean as a coach or if you're part of the production crew? For everybody. But if you're part of the production crew, you have complete control. If you're not getting anything or it's not good, you can just move on. Like, all right, thanks, coach. That's all we got for you. Let's bring in somebody that will actually talk to us.

Yeah, that's kind of how it goes. Learning about John Madden was awesome. Joining us now is a man who's probably been a part of those conversations. He was at the game when the Colts beat the Cardinals. Really? I believe he was on the coverage, wasn't he? Yeah. Yeah, he was on the sideline crushing it.

It was very different. Now, it was on TV in the background. You know, we're having a good time watching. Didn't get to hear all of his work. But Schrags knows all the ins and outs about everything happening around everywhere. He's the one who texted me last night and said, watch the all Madden documentary tonight. I watched it.

I loved it. Can't wait to hear this man's insight on the icon. That is John Madden. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrags. What's up, dude? What's up,

man? You're talking about the production meetings. That's how I built a lot of my relationships. Cause I was a sideline reporter for years for Fox and you get in a room with Hugh Jackson and the team is five and 10 and Hugh's got to spend 30 minutes with you. So you just start building relationships. And Madden apparently is the legend of the production meeting where, yes, they would occur on his bus a lot of times. But apparently all the guys who worked on a Madden crew, it's like you would pay to be in those production meetings because of what a good time it was and how you'd see different sides of players. So Pat, you saw the Lions and the Packers

or whatever you saw. That's every week for these crews. And if you have a good, good chemistry with your crew, you're going to get the most out of these players. That's awesome to hear. And Shregs, I didn't know you were a sideline guy because I saw you doing it on Christmas there when the Colts with that, every player on their team beat the Cardinals. Hell yeah. That's a shame because I do love that Cardinals team. I didn't know that was the goal just to do whatever in TV. Did you ever meet John Madden? Were you around John Madden? Has he changed the way you've done television at all? No, I never met John Madden and that's unfortunate, obviously, with his passing. But I'm like a generation right after where he was working.

So I got into TV stuff around 2014, 2015. And I went from being a sports writer to similar to you, where it was like end of the year, week 15, week 16. And Jacob Ullman at Fox was like, we need a sideline guy. You want to try it? And I'm like, hell yeah, I want to try it. Knocked it out of the park and then was put on a crew the following year. And I did it for about four years. I worked with John Lynch, with Chris Spielman, with Charles Davis, Tom Brenneman, countless guys, Kevin Burkhart.

And then eventually I got moved into the studio. But I love the sidelines. So when NFL Network had these games, they asked me if I'd be on the sidelines for Saturday Christmas. And I was like, absolutely. So a chance to be there was great. And I got the littlest things, Pat. Like had a long talk with Colt McCoy before the game. Had a long talk with Frank Reich before the game.

Chris Ballard's walking by. We talked for 15 minutes, cut it up. And we talk about what they've got going on in their team. Like it is so important to be boots on the ground in my role. And the opportunity to do it is great. And the nuggets I give are a little different than maybe other sideline reporters. Everyone's got their own thing, but mine is usually in-game, like what I'm seeing on the sideline.

Colt McCoy didn't really have the laces the right way. You saw that with the hold, and I'm like, all right. I love that stuff. Okay, Schrags. Boots on the ground. He's an Emmy-nominated studio host. Now he's back on the grass. What do you got's an Emmy-nominated studio host. Now he's back on the grass.

What do you got, AJ? Hey, Schrags. Hey, Oman's AJ's guy. Oman's AJ's guy, Schrags. Yeah, Jacob's a big wrestling guy, too. That's why I know he and Pat vibe with that. But, Schrags, when you – let's say you're with the crew. I know you've always had what seems like great crews,

and I'm sure you're a guy that brings people together. But when crews go bad or they don't get along, is it ego? Because I know there's plenty of play-by-play people that have had gigantic egos over the years. And obviously the color commentary, yes, big egos. But I know I've heard stories from producers and execs all over when they tell stories about some of these play-by-play people. You know what?

I've been fortunate. If you know the guys that I work with, like I work with Spielielman it's just if you could talk ball like you're good you know like spielman's not looking for a popularity contest charles davis is the nicest guy to walk this earth kevin burke like john lynch he's ever like so i haven't been a part of one of those really these are all really really solid dudes you're naming yeah you're right like good guys like i haven't had the opportunity to meet to work with an ass like Coleman or play by play it was a prick but usually it's Friday nights like you go out for a great dinner and then Saturdays you're hanging around watching college football in a conference room in a hotel and you're just busting balls and

having a good time so no I'm sure it would be a pain in the ass if there was that case okay so Adam Amin I want to give a shout out to i love that dude i got to play do those thursday night football games with him and hasselbeck and molly was on the sideline and the amount of times people told me like you should be very thankful for how much adam amin let you talk or whatever and i like a lot of people are telling me that i was like all right fuck you so all right that whole thing but i did i did go and tell adam and me because i assume that's in that community of that sphere which is supposed to i'm like adam like i appreciate how smart you are how prepared you are and how much better you make me and kind of let me go and he basically

said like uh no he loves me and the chemistry was good but then i you know one night we went out we had a little dinner which is a big part of that entire thing. You start hearing stories from the other. Molly has been an OG in the game, crushing it for a long time. Then Hasselbeck telling a story. Then a producer telling a story about what AJ just said. I looked at Adam. I'm like, man, I really appreciate you. In that All Madden documentary, who was the first play?

Was it Ebersole? I think it was Dick Ebersole. I'm not 100% sure the first one basically didn't want to work with john medden was like no i'm not doing this this isn't how it's done and then as soon as they got together maybe it's pat summer on no i'm not sure which one was the first but there was somebody that didn't want to do that's interesting because you can hear that over the air when you're here in a game whether or not the two like each other or not don't you think absolutely and i'll add to it like the producer matters a lot so if i'm a

sideline reporter which is the only role i've had um on these broadcasts i've got a little button and i can go up to the producer and speak into the producer's ear and say hey i got something i got something and it's up to the producer might say go fuck off i don't i don't care like doesn't add to the game um i've been fortunate guys like pete mitcheska at fox and richie zions then my guy is mark titleman the t-man it's his name who i did years with i usually had green light they knew i wasn't going to abuse it because a lot of times when you're watching the broadcast you want the flow of the game you're not looking for the story that was from last tuesday in the fourth quarter like well you know earlier this week this guy went to this charity thing like last Tuesday in the fourth quarter. Like, well, you know, earlier this week, this guy went to this charity thing, like not, not in the fourth quarter. Like you got to know

the context and the flow of the game. So I think that you build that earn and that trust with the crew. Um, but to your point, you could tell that John and Pat were best of friends. You could tell that Al Michaels, he just had on and John got along great. And you could tell that Joe, Troy, Aaron, and now Rinaldi, they all get along really well. Like you could tell it on the broadcast. So I had to do that sideline thing for one XFL game, you know, and I, I didn't go to broadcast school. I was actually not allowed in broad. I wasn't invited. I didn't get into broadcast bootcamp three times. Isn't that funny? Three times. No, thank you. I think Oman sits on the board of that. I think he's, I do believe Oman is a part of that entire thing. Yeah, but I wasn't even invited there. So I know

none of the rules, right? I'm just kind of doing what people think. When I was told I was going to have to ask for permission to speak and then they would maybe give me an okay and then send it to me. I was like, well, I'm not a, that's not what I do. Like that is not gonna, I'm not asking for permission. And by the way, by the time it gets to me, what I was gonna say, which is what I think I'm here for, my observance stuff is already gone. You know, the whole art of television is interesting. And now Michael's talked about that with John Madden,

where he came in, he wanted to be there. He's uplifting. Everybody's making everybody better. He's asking questions in a documentary I watched. I'm bummed that I never really got to experience him because I didn't play the video game. It's just I'm a little bit bummed. Let's talk about you, Schrags. Real quick, I said it on Good Morning Football today, and a lot of your followers and your fans tweeted at me about it.

I said a lot of what you're doing right now like that's a direct connection to what madden was doing he's himself he was authentic he was completely on his own terms and pat whether you want to believe it or not you're doing something right now with aj that no one else in sports media has done and you're doing it with your boys in that room in indianapolis on your own terms and that's what madden did when he first broke through it was john madden wanted to call the game like john madden wanted to call the game before him it was very proper x's and o's the play-by-play guy talks i chime in coach madden was like we're going to talk about the guys the smoke coming off the guy's head or this guy's got cankles and it was so welcome and that's what

you're bringing to your audience every day that is very very nice of you especially to do that on good morning football i appreciate that and Good Morning Football. I appreciate that. And after watching last night's documentary, that is one of the biggest compliments I think you could give anybody in this. It was interesting seeing all the executives that were in that that are still in positions of power, you know, last night.

That was very fascinating. And I appreciate you recognizing what you just said. That's very, very nice of you. Because as I was watching it, I was actually thinking to myself, this is a fucking legend right here. He's doing his own, like, as I was watching, I was actually thinking to myself this is a fucking legend right here this he's doing his own like as i was watching i was like this should be the guy that i you know kind of i don't want to say put on a but almost like hey this is kind of him and chuck and i it charles barkley's another guy that i love i absolutely love him coming on the show it's like

okay these two kind of broke the mold it feels like and although i didn't know that about that about Madden, now that I know, I'm very appreciative, very nice of you. Let's talk about your show that is Emmy-nominated every single time. Okay. Thank you for the kind words. And I spoke for AJ there. I'm sorry, pal, but I do that a lot. I'm sorry. Shout out to the play-by-play and AJ because I speak a lot.

Into All the Boys, obviously, for what Stranger said. Very, very nice of you. Let's talk about your show. You guys are all remote right now. Is that because it's the holidays? Omicron? The show's still great, by the way. We watch every morning.

I didn't hear you say that, but I appreciate you saying that. Is it because of the Omicron? Is that kind of what's going on? Well, there's no direct case, but New York City's on fire with the Omicron, so to be safe during the holidays, so let's take five days.

Let's all just chill out, and then I think next week, the Hopis will be back in studio. There you go. So to be safe during the holidays, let's take five days. Let's all just chill out. And then I think next week, the hope is we'll be back in studio. But it was a combination of Christmas week. We have the capability of going home. They built these home studios in our apartments and homes. So they said, let's use them for this week.

But I think it was out of an abundance of caution and just making sure that we can get the show on air and there not be any fears because just about one in four NFL players have tested positive for COVID this month. I think just about one in two New Yorkers has tested positive for COVID this month as well. Wow, Shregs, pivoting away from that, going on to what's going on in the field. I know you have relationships all over the league, but Sean McVay, you guys did a great podcast together.

The Rams seem to be rolling. What are your thoughts on how they're doing going into the playoffs, how Matthew Stafford Rams seem to be rolling like what are your thoughts on on how they're doing going into the playoffs how Matthew Stafford is going to be like can you can you sense any uh I don't know excitement out of there yeah yeah look the the things that they're excited about and I speak to not only Sean but other folks on the coaching staff and in the front office is that Stafford did not play the best game last week against Minnesota and he did not play great against Seattle. And they were like, we're going to have to rely on Sonny Michel,

the offensive line, and a good defensive effort to get out of these games, and they won both of them. They beat Seattle. Now, yes, the ref helped on that fourth and sixth, but not throwing the flag. But that Minnesota game, they were without Whitworth, note boom, and then the center went down, and Stafford threw three picks.

And they're like, you know what? We need a special teams touchdown. We need the defense to make some stops and then we need sony to be good sony michelle leads all rushers in the month of december has the most rushing yards 423 more than jonathan taylor more than uh rashad penny more than all these guys that are winning for your fantasy leagues sony michelle's been the glue so aj they have that and they activated cam acres now everyone is texting me and tweeting me about fantasy league look they play this weekend they get a game against the ravens i don't know if we're gonna see cam acres this weekend i don't know if we're gonna see in week 18 the hope is

that they definitely have a playoff so i would be a little cautious and inserting cam acres as you're running back one in fantasy this week i would say let's play that to game time. All right, I like what you did there for Sony and your connections in L.A. All right, I do appreciate what you said there. But let's talk about the guy, the MVP running back right now currently, the only one in discussions. You got to cover the game. You got to chat with Frank Wright, Chris Ballard. They're out a bunch of players because of COVID.

Carson's going to be able to make it back, allegedly. But what is it about that team you think that has them, like what do you think they think it is because of, why they're so good? I watch Hard Knocks. Is it because Hard Knocks is forcing them all to do the right thing all the time because they're being watched? So, like the coaches have to say the right thing all the time.

Players have to be awake in every single meeting because there is literally a PTZ pan, tilt, zoom camera staring at all of time. Players have to be awake in every single meeting because there is literally a PTZ pan, tilt, zoom camera staring at all of them. Is that why they're so good? Did they mention that? Has that been talked about? Well, let's start with Taylor. The crazy thing about Jonathan Taylor is that he's the most patient runner in the league. Like this is what Le'Veon Bell used to be. He would just wait there behind the line of scrimmage, look for a hole, hit it. And then he's the fastest running back in the league. He hits 20 miles per hour when he hits open field. You saw the touchdown that he had against the Patriots. He also had a big run to start the game against the Cardinals. So he's big, he's reliable, he's patient. And speaking with the

guys at the Colts, he's one of the smartest players on the team. It's almost as if you've got an extension of the coaching staff. When you talk to Jonathan Taylor, he's one of the smartest players on the team. It's almost as if you've got an extension of the coaching staff. When you talk to Jonathan Taylor, he gets football. So he knows assignments. He knows scheme, and he knows where to run the ball. As for the rest of them, they're a great bunch of dudes, but they're really well coached. Frank Reich is a really good coach.

Eber Flus, you want to talk about right to the offensive line coaching. And then the guy that I was talking about, Bubba Ventrone on special teams, he's their hype guy, and he's been great on hard knocks as well. All of these guys are top of their field, whether it be Press Taylor or Mike Groh. All these guys have a lot of experience. And it's like from top to bottom, that team is so buttoned up that when Quentin Nelson and Darius Leonard are both out, and they find that out 48 hours and 24 hours before a game.

They're kind of nonplussed. They're like, let's go just do what we do. We've got to go win football. And then Carson made the big throw when he had to, which is probably the first time he's done that all season. Don't want to break up this incredible conversation. HBO actually sent us a clip from tonight's Hard Knocks about the moment they found out about Quentin Nelson.

This is an exclusive, by the way, from inside the thing. And you're right to what you just said. They heard they lost Q, they lost Darius. They didn't even blink. Here's an actual clip from Hard Knocks tonight, HBO. Hey, Parks, can you do me a favor? Can you text Tyler and tell him to bring my phone here? Because I keep getting these halo messages,

and I want to make sure it's not a COVID thing. Well, it is a COVID thing, Frank. Excuse me? It is COVID. Is it? Is it? What is it? Oh, you. Oh, you. Don't panic. you're on camera. We're good. Okay, so just remember that our whole mode was just solving issues and that's what we're doing right now. So let's not be down in the dauber, right? We get it, we got a couple of our guys down, three of our guys down. I mean, this is pro football and our mode needs to be let's go let's go let's solve it the goodness is we got great players in this room right by far the best group I've ever coached in terms of depth starting five depth behind that so we're good we're good to roll right and there's no question my mind we're gonna go down there and kick

these guys I have not happy about Q Testing positive but I love Overcoming those things Hey good news, Frank. You did. All right? You did.

And that is what Hard Knocks and why Hard Knocks is so awesome. And shout-out to HBO sending us that, by the way. Thank you. Thank you, HBO. It's exclusive for tonight's show. Is that kind of just the feeling you had when you were talking to them on the ground, huh? That's the vibe. And they lost another lineman during the game. They had another injury and jack doyle left the game so

they were down four offensive linemen in their blocking tight end then jonathan taylor just gobbled up yards the entire day for 100 plus that's frank reich in a nutshell and he is as steady as it comes and if you speak with him it you know that kind of news would happen like if my kid's school is shut down i I'm throwing shit across my apartment. He loses Quentin Nelson, and it's like, I like this opportunity. This is an opportunity for us to overcome. He's the real deal. He's the real deal.

And they've been really lucky there because you know how much I love Chuck Pagano, and he was the real deal too. So it's a great passing of the torch from Dungy to Caldwell to Pagano, and now you've got another gem in Frank Reich. Hey, Shregs, are there any teams out there that you may be looking at that are on the bubble or they're going to scratch their way into the playoffs and can actually make a run that people aren't really talking about? Yeah, I think Philly's interesting because of what they do.

They beat the crap out of teams with the run game. And I'm not a big, you know when when january comes jalen hurts is going to have to make the big pat because he might not have to like he might not have to if you can gobble up 200 yards on the ground every game you're going to be in games and we talk about players as comeback players it's usually like a guy who's coming back from like a devastating injury or something like that but darius slay has been as good as any corner in the league lane johnson's been as good as any offensive lineman in the league. And they found their identity with Sirianni midway through the season.

And as much as we talk about the Dolphins winning all these games, the Eagles are winning all these games too, and they're pounding teams. So I wouldn't want to face Philly in the playoffs. They play angry and in the trenches. They're as good as anyone on offense and on defense. Go ahead, Diggs. Shanks, first off, we've noticed recently recently on good morning football you've been glowing recently late in the season too not easy i guess he's getting super bowl glow uh but you know a bunch

about coaching the coaching circles around the nfl the jaguars requested interviews of six um coordinators yesterday and then they brought in um who they bring in philadelphia peterson peterson uh do you have any inklings of maybe where they're gonna go no i'm curious to see how the peterson interview goes because i think it's tomorrow i don't know if i'm breaking news there i think doug's interviewing tomorrow with them and you're not it could be a drastic difference if it's you know you go to doug peterson or you go to jim caldwell or you go to one of these guys who has has the the binder and, here's how it's done. Let's get this thing back on track.

Or if you're like, hey, you know, let's go with Byron Lefkowitz, who has never been a head coach and has been with Arians for all those years in Arizona and now Tampa Bay. So curious to see who gets the next round of interviews, if they're going to do the next round of interviews. But they can go one of two ways. First year, young, fresh face. Let's restart this whole thing where they can say, hey, let's bring back one of those guys and get this thing back on track and kind of get this thing back to where it should be because this year was as catastrophic as it could have been. So if you're Sean Conn, you're looking in the mirror, you're saying, all right,

we brought in Tom Coughlin, oldest of old school. That failed. We brought in Doug Marone, who actually quit another head coaching job because he thought he was just going to be able to get any head coaching job. Became a coordinator and then got a head coaching job. He was a highly sought-after head coach who had been a head coach before.

That didn't work out. Now you bring in Urban Meyer, never coached in the NFL, had no clue he was going to change the NFL. By the way, don't like the way they do business. We're going to rebuild an entire city within Duval County. What do you think? I mean, if you're Shad Khan, you have to be just absolutely mind blown about why you continue to suck in this investment that should be great for you,

especially as a guy who has figured out a lot of different ventures. You know, that is not an easy decision at all. For instance, at all. Yeah, go ahead. I'll go further on this. So I was very in the weeds on their hiring process last time. And it was Urban was their 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 top choice. And then they interviewed Salah and Arthur Smith. And I think Raheem got an interview down there. And it was almost like they were just kind of doing it in case Urban didn't want it. But, like, they courted Urban on the yacht.

It was like Urban was the apple of their eye. Was it all Shod, though, Shregs? Was it all Shod pushing this? Yeah, Big Ten, right? Big Ten. I think it was the whole organization there. Who's the guy you're talking about? What did you say?

Big who? Big who? Who did you say? Big Ten. Big Ten. Big Ten. Big Ten. So allegedly it was at a at a big 10 conference in

illinois shod was there like years ago that's when he and urban connected and urban has always been this big 10 god and urban was supposed to be like a person he could lean on or learn from about hiring and then it just became him is that an accurate way and is that what you're trying to describe here i think that's what i'm saying so like like Urban was their white whale. He was their North Star. They got him. And it was like we reeled him in. No one else could get him. We got him.

I don't even know if there was a line of suitors for Urban Meyer. But the Jaguars were so in that they almost didn't go through the process last year the way that you might have should have if you were hiring fresh. So Salah came through and Arthur Smith came through and Raheem came through. But like there never was this great desire. Now, though, they got to look at it. And I'll give you a name who was there for years under Marone and is now in Green Bay with Aaron and the offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett, who interviewed last year with Atlanta. And Rodgers does not do this. Rodgers called up Atlanta, from what I'm told, and was like, you got to really consider Hackett. Like, Hackett used him as a reference.

And Rodgers is, it's Rodgers. He can do it. He doesn't have to do it. But the way he's connecting with Rodgers and the way that the players respond to Hackett. He was the OC when Bortles. To Jacksonville? He was the OC when Bortles was the guy and they took him to the AFC

championship game. Hackett might be a hot name after this season, whether it is. Seems like a done deal. Aaron Rodgers is going to be a Jaguar. Wow. I mean, Jacksonville has no idea. Those people down in Duval are like, we're the laughingstock right now. Okay, we've got two games in England every goddamn year.

This team is half here, half there, half everywhere. Trevor Lawrence is a Packer then? Florida gets real loose with their mandate. Oh, my. Nathaniel Hackett loose with their mandate. Oh, my. Nathaniel Hackett. That's interesting. Trevor Lawrence swap. Oh, no.

No, Jordan Love, dude. Anyway, we're just telling you what the internet's going to do. We're just – He's not going to fucking Jacksonville. What did I say? It's not about that. He likes warm weather. He loves warm weather.

He's closing those beaches in Florida. Nah, those taxis ain't nothing in the state down there. He's been growing that hair out for something. Oh, old white. Old white. Do go and retire in Florida. Florida man. Oh, my.

He's been a Florida man. Oh. Florida man. We don't need to dive into that anymore. I'm just saying. Where Hackett goes, I assume there's going to be a lot of conversation about oh, or Aaron and Devontae potentially following this guy that they love so much,

their references. I'm not saying that's going to happen. Okay? We're all love in Green Bay right now. We're all love in Green Bay right now, but I'm just saying that's going to be talked about. These are the things that have to be talked about, and that's what this show is. Go ahead, Ty. Speaking of the Packers, Schrags, I saw they activated Jair Alexander today. Is there any chance he's going to play on Sunday? What about Bakhtiari? You got any other the show is go ahead ty uh speaking of the packers shrags i saw they activated jair alexander today

is there any chance he's gonna play on sunday what about bakhtiari you got any other tasty tidbits on guys who might be coming back this weekend look they had to get back on the active roster if they could even play him for the playoffs so i think that was one of those deals let's get him back now but i i you know i spoke with a source of the packers i guess it was when they played the raven so that was two weeks ago and i'm'm like, Bakhti already practiced? No timetable. Like, no timetable. So I don't know where we're at two weeks later.

But I think the hope is that both those guys can go in January. And what a story that would be, that they didn't play the entire regular season. And then suddenly they're in the lineups and they're back and healthy. It would be pretty cool. It would be pretty cool. Just like it's cool that you stop by and chit- chat with us every once in a while. We see you on TV and you come on to our show. We can't thank you enough, Shanks. Thanks, guys.

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Man only played 13 games of college football before being drafted number 67 overall to the Houston Texans, which we all thought was actually on fire throughout most of this season. Has played really fucking good football. Ladies and gentlemen, Davis Mills. Yeah! How's it going? That was a big-time intro. Well, you're a big-time guy, dude.

Hey, listen, Davis, I don't know if you know anything about our show. We called you dumb, okay? Because whenever you were starting, the thing that we saw on the internet said, D. Mills, all right? And we are dumb, we are stupid, and we only watch the NFL. I don't know much. And we are dumb. We are stupid.

And we only watch the NFL. I don't know much about college, although I understand it's great. So we thought it was Doug Mills. And by we, I mean me. And we've kind of, you know, you are Dougie Mills to us. And I want to let you know that it's incredibly offensive. You don't deserve it. You are a great fucking quarterback, dude. And I assume you left early after only playing 13 games. You got red-shirted,

then you played three years. I think there was only five games in 2020. I don't know if that's because of COVID. And then you finally get your opportunity here in Houston. Is there just ever a doubt that you weren't supposed to be an NFL quarterback? How have you adjusted and made this look very, very easy in an organization, I think, that a lot of people didn't expect it to happen from. Yeah, I mean, to start off, like coming out of college, I only played, I think I started 12 or 13 games, probably played in 15. And that last season, my senior year, only played in five. I think we played six games with all the COVID stuff going on. I was held out of the first one with a false positive test. And there was a lot of stuff going on, whether when I was making the decision if I wanted to come out or go back to school.

But with all the uncertainties, with all the COVID stuff, not knowing if I'd get a full offseason of training and be able to progress as a better quarterback going into the next season, I decided to declare and ended up in Houston. And I think the benefit of having so few games in college, I kind of haven't reached my potential yet. And I feel like the best football is still ahead of me. So I'm looking forward to that.

Hey, what did it feel like? I understand you didn't win the game when you guys played the Patriots earlier this year. You had a hell of a game. I know you had, what, three touchdowns, no picks. And all we ever hear about is how Bill Belichick is going to come after rookie quarterbacks and mess with their head and let them not trust their reads.

What was that game like? And I guess did that give you some confidence? Although, yeah, you didn't win, but you still played very well. I think so. Obviously, you want the win on the record books, but I think going out there, that was one of the first games where I really just felt comfortable in the offense, was able to go out there and play fast, not think about hearing a play call on the helmet and then having to think, okay, what's my drop? What's my progression?

What's my read on this play? I'm able to just visualize it and go out there and play fast. And I mean, that leads to making quick decisions and getting the balls to the playmakers out in space. and quick decisions and getting the balls to play makers out in space. In 2017, you were the number one recruit in the country, I believe, depending upon what recruiting. Yeah, number one quarterback, yep. Oh, somebody else had you?

Who was it? Who was the number one recruit overall? No, I'm not sure. I was different on all the different recruiting sites. Who was it? Anybody, did you remember anybody that they're like, this guy, much better for your college than Doug Mills? I know both Foster Sorrell and Walker Little, both the tackles who we got to come to Stanford with me

were both rated above me on all the overall things. So that was pretty cool. Okay, so number one quarterback in the country, 2017. You end up at Stanford out of Atlanta. I assume, and I get a chance to be around a lot of Stanford people and the Colts, you know, with Andrew and Kobe and Griff and Goose and David Perry. I mean, a lot.

I've been around a lot of Stanford folks. Incredibly intelligent. Did you know you were going to be a Stanford guy? Because I feel like the Stanford thing is like you're a Stanford guy. Like they almost have to give you like you're a Stanford guy. Was that always going to be the dream to go through there? And do you think that your intelligence, you said that was the first game at your rookie season, your go against Patriots where you didn't have to think.

Have you been able to pick up things a lot quicker, you think, just naturally? To start off, I mean, I think my dad told me when I was like 12 years old, before I even knew that I would have a chance of going and playing in college, he said, if you ever have a chance to go to Stanford, I mean, that's an opportunity that's going to be way too hard to pass up. So that was always in the back of my head when I was going through the recruiting process, when I had all those other colleges reach out to me. But I think just, I guess,

going to Stanford and really being a student athlete with student fully capitalized before the athlete part just really makes you makes you enjoy the intelligent part of the game and the learning part the classroom part of the game because I mean you're only spending so much time on the on the field versus how much time you're spending in the film room and learning the offense so I mean I think that's allowed me to pick up pick up this offense here and play fast and I think learning the offense so um i mean i think that's allowed me to pick up um pick up this offense here and play fast and i think learning the pro style offense at stanford with making all the the points and the pre-snap checks and alerts and stuff like that has allowed me to transition as well doggy how's the recall recall really good because i feel like after listening to aaron

talk so much here over the last couple years and I assume other quarterbacks are listening to the greats that have come before him and stuff like that I think the recall is obviously you have to be able to make every single throw but the recall is are you get I mean you're only a few games into your goddamn career here but is there a chance that you're already at a point or do you think you're going to ever in close uh like in a close time frame get to the point where you're starting to remember oh i remember they did this last time or this last is that something that naturally comes to your brain i think so i mean i think i'm a visual person and seeing things and being able to deposit it in the memory bank um helps out i don't think

i have the level of recall like the stories you hear of sean mcveigh where he's telling you the exact second on the clock and it's in a game 10 years ago. I don't think it's to that level yet, but with maybe a couple more years of film watching and study, maybe I'll get to that point someday. Go ahead, Ty. Davis, how hard was it when you first get started? Obviously, as a quarterback, you have to carry yourself a certain way, but you have the Deshaun Watson situation and then tyrod above you like

how difficult was it going in and like being like okay i have to be a leader now in this locker room got vets are looking up to me like was that difficult when you haven't really you know had uh that much playing time um i mean i don't think it's too difficult i think that kind of comes with being being a quarterback in the NFL and really college. And before that, you have to – you're understood as being one of the leaders on the team. And once you realize that, it's a little easier to step into that position and lead those guys.

And ultimately, I think I didn't try to go out there and be the person bossing everybody around. I tried to let my play speak for itself. And I think as the seasons progress, I tried to let my play speak for itself. I think as the seasons progress, I've been able to play a little better and gain some respect from my teammates. What is Coach Dave like? He's a guy I think at least nationally doesn't get a bunch of attention. I think he's done a pretty damn good job with what you guys had

coming in from the offseason. What's he like day to day? Who is this? Coach Dave Cauley. I haven't heard anyone call him Dave sorry that's our fault too all these nicknames no yeah wow he's been great he's he was honestly one of the best best people for me and just instilling confidence in myself and basically saying you're the quarterback for us um when i was kind of handed the role and

he assured to me that we're they were fully confident in my ability and um my job was to go out there and win games pep hamilton i remember when he came to the indianapolis colts to be our offensive coordinator they would come out this was when andrew luck was here they would come out of some meetings and they're're like, Hey, Pep, we're not all Stanford grads. Because he was at Stanford before then. Then he came to the Colts. He was running the XFL Defenders. Incredible coach.

One of the coolest dudes I've ever been around. Shoe game crazy. Slow runner, but an incredible coach. Is it nice to have somebody who kind of understands you, especially because of the Stanford connection? And is it nice to have Pep who kind of understands you, especially because of the Stanford connection? And is it nice to have Pep as your guy and a very accomplished guy around you? Definitely, yeah. Pep's been awesome, both on and off the field.

He's doing a lot for me. Kind of just since he knew that Stanford offense, knew what I was coming from, he's been able to help me transition and learn all the verbiage and how I can kind of tie concepts here back to what I was doing at Stanford. So that's been great. And, I mean, off the field, he has a bunch of stories from you guys with the Colts, you and Andrew. I've heard some funny stuff.

So he's been great. Hey, what do you do in the off time? You just do like Sudokus and crossword puzzles and stuff? Yeah, brain training apps. No, mainly like video games and golf the two big hobbies good golfer Atlanta good golf area isn't it um great golf area I grew up on a course I would like to say I was I would like to be a lot better than I actually am but I like to go out there and have fun. You're an NFL quarterback. That's going to happen.

You don't have the time to be great. I assume that will come at some point. What video game are we playing? Fortnite was the big one the past couple years, but I've kind of transitioned away from that and playing, I guess, a little more nerdier games, League of Legends and Age of Empires recently. Oh, I love those games. Hey, there's Popcomicon

comes. No, what's the board game one? There's Popcon. Gen Con. I haven't heard of that one. Oh, you need to come to Gen Con. I think it's during the season. You won't be able to do it. Yeah, we'll get you tickets. You can send somebody. Send a friend. They can record it for you while you're watching film. But I've seen all

the... They take over the entire city, all the all the super smart video game people take over it's a hell of a party hey it's a good time everybody's on the same page it feels like uh doug great work down there we can't thank you enough for uh stopping by please tell coach dave we said hello and davis you do not deserve that Neither does Coach Cawley But thank you for your time Good luck on the rest of the way I will Appreciate it

Nice to meet you guys Thanks for having me Ladies and gentlemen No thank you for stopping by Ladies and gentlemen Houston Texans quarterback Davis Mills There you go

Davis Joining us now Is a man who actually Spent a year with the refs Was a head coach Understands the rules a lot better than I do, I would assume. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Coach Us Up Chuck Wednesday with Chuck Pagano.

Yeah! Chuck, you look amazing. What's up, guys? Hey, you look amazing. Thank you for joining us, man. You're glowing. Look at the tan. Look at the hair.

I think it's this light you guys sent me. Yeah, you look amazing. Hey, hopefully teamers get some. Every time I turn the sun and look in here, I think, shit, this ain't the same dude I saw when I got up this morning. Hey, take some pictures. Send it to the wife. Let's keep it going.

Chuck, thank you for joining us. Did you hear what we were just talking about there? Are we accurate in describing that type of play? It used to be be guy would obviously give himself up nobody would touch him play wouldn't be over was there an evolution in the rules it's like if somebody looks like they're not playing football anymore the rule that they can blow it dead is that am i wrong in reading that as a observer here no you were exactly right spot on uh with your analysis there and uh your rules as far as the officiating part of that goes.

Yeah, I mean, you remember plays where receivers catch a ball, you know, over the middle and there'd be, you know, a couple DBs on a flyby. The guy go down. I think Marvin Harrison caught one years and years ago that comes to mind, you know, at the old Colts Stadium, RCA Dome. And nobody touched him. He got up and ran for a touchdown. You know, that was the old Colts Stadium, RCA Dome, and nobody touched him. He got up and ran for a touchdown. You know, that was the old rule. But now with the quarterback sliding, defensive players, A.J. was spot on when he talked about defensive guy in the game.

He knows we get a pick here. We always alerted him, hey, we're down. You know, don't try to go get a touchdown. We all remember what happened with Marlon McCree years and years ago, you know, with the Chargers and New England. He gets a pick late in the game. He's supposed to go down on the ground. They're going to be on a knee

advancing the playoffs. I think it was Troy Brown came up and punched the ball out from behind him, forced a turnover. Pats ended up kicking a field goal, winning the game. I think Marty, God rest his soul, got fired 14-2 after that might have been the same season. So, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, you're right. Got it, AJ? Chuck, when you look at the NFL right now and everything that's going on, is there a reason or anything you could point to of why it seems like some teams just seem to be very inconsistent? One week, gangbusters. Hey, this team can't be stopped. They're going to win the Super Bowl.

Next week, they lay an egg. Like, is this happening more than it used to, or are we just paying more attention? No, I think a combination of both. And you'd like to say, hey, maybe it's youth. But then, you know, we run into a team that has a bunch of vets on it. Tampa Bay a couple weeks ago against New Orleans. I think that's just a hard matchup for Tampa. You know, if anybody just, you know, studies those games

and the stats, you know, New Orleans defensively, I mean, they've got their number. You know, they'd be a hard out, you know, for anybody because they play tight man coverage. So sometimes it's the matchup. Sometimes you'd like to say it's it's youth on the team um again success is very hard to deal with uh probably harder uh than failure in a national football league um you know injuries COVID this that and the other but but yeah I've been a crazy year as far as you know especially for for the betters out there you know trying to trying to pick you know think you've got locks, and next thing you know, a team goes into another place and they're double-digit underdogs and they win a game. Did anybody pick Houston last week to beat the Chargers? It's absolutely crazy, and stats are coming out that the sportsbooks have had a rather good last couple months. With the way the NFL has been going, the numbers have been released and exposed,

and it's becoming more public knowledge that those upsets in the— Chuck. We're back. That's a cool fact. Hey, that was awesome. Is that transition? Are you editing the show? Hey, Foxy.

What'd you say? Foxy. I can't do that. That was amazing. At least the internet didn't go out. No, hey. Hey, by the way, you look good. You sound good.

You're giving us great answers. This is amazing. We appreciate you. We appreciate you here. You talked about all the crazy shit you've got to deal with. Injuries. That's the NFL every single year. But COVID has obviously become a very pivotal part of who's playing, who's not playing, how you shape your team, your salary cap,

in very important games. We actually got a clip from Hard Knocks sent to us today that said, hey, if you want to use this on your show, feel free, an exclusive clip. I would like you to watch this and think about, on the other side of this, Frank Reich, how do you immediately turn on the positive spin? Or is that just something you have to do in the job? Run the clip. This is from Hard Knocks airing tonight on HBO at 10 o'clock.

Pretty incredible look into the chaos and the uncertainty that is the NFL season this year. Hey, Parks, can you do me a favor? Can you text Tyler and tell him to bring my phone here? Because I keep getting these halo messages and I want to make sure it's not a COVID thing. Well, it is a COVID thing. Excuse me? It is COVID. Is it?

What is it? Q. Oh, Q. Oh, Q. Oh, Q. Okay, we're good. Okay. Okay, so you see the moment of him having to process that and then realizing that everybody is watching him right now for his reaction. Is that something you just always have to keep in mind?

And are there any moments where you go into your own office when nobody's around and go, what the fuck, dude? Is that you think Frank did? Fudge, of course, Frank doesn't swear. But is that something that you just have to portray that? Or do you think Frank deep down in his soul, that's just naturally his reaction will be good? Yeah, that was awesome. I think because of who Frank is and who Frank has been the entire time, you know, he's as steady as they come. And they've dealt, you know, that team's dealt with more adversity than anybody has, you know, going back all the way to training camp.

So I think that's just who Frank is. And at this point, you'd be kind of numb to it, whether it's Quentin Nelson, your quarterback, Darius Leonard. I mean, it's just like it's the new norm. And so the way he handled that, because the whole team's going to see that, you know, and that's why they don't flinch. That's why when they go to Arizona and you get the lineup and you see who that starting line is, and they're missing four out of the five guys, and this guy's out, Darius is out, and it's like, there's no. They've got no chance, right? But that's the mindset and the culture that he's built, and they continue to live by.

And so, again, your team's going to see that. Your coaches are going to see that. Was that – I couldn't tell because it was so dark. Was that like the quarterback meeting? Was that Carson in there? Yeah. So they show that room at least once a week, I think, in the show. And I think Frank hangs out in the quarterback room.

I think that is like where he almost hangs out at because there was a speech last week about like trust your quarterback. We always believe in like trust in your quarterback. It's like he has Carson's ear and he's in there. I don't know if that's where he always is, but I do believe that was the quarterback room. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they were in there late because you saw when Philbin was there. I know you guys talked about Philbin earlier today.

I caught part of that and loved Joe Philbin. He's awesome. But when you guys were talking about the production meetings, but he had that wall put up and it's all the great linemen because that's where the offensive line room was and all those past linemen that have gone through there. And he had that kind of that mural put up of all the, you know, past great Colts linemen. So, yeah, I think, you know, when your quarterback hears that and it's going to permeate throughout the

locker room, they're obviously going to see it when it comes on, you know, when it plays. But yeah, I mean, that's why those guys, you know, they don't flinch. And, you know, certain guys can walk in there and, yeah, next man up, this, that, and the other. But they don't live that. They don't breathe that. You know, they don't beat to that drum every single day. And, yeah, I've gone from team meetings where we've been just decimated guys. And I've gone in there, you know, super upbeat and tried to spin it however we're going

to spin it we're going to win this game and go back and close my office door and and you know just start throwing a tantrum ask my assistant hey do you think they bought that shit okay what do you think uh that's awesome to hear that's the human side of it all that never really gets put on display. And I actually mentioned this earlier to Schrags. Do you think the Colts are benefiting from Hard Knocks being in their building? Because they have to do everything right. People can't be sleeping in meetings because there's a camera literally in the meeting rooms. Coaches can't step out of any particular line that they wouldn't want to be seen by a bunch of people.

So everybody is almost being watched every month. It might bring the best out of it. Not that they wouldn't want to be seen by a bunch of people so everybody is almost being watched every month it might bring the best out of it not that they wouldn't normally it's the nfl but it might actually be bringing the best out of this team i might be wrong i might be wrong but i think that is at least a conversation piece no absolutely and you like frank was like who who you know so there was part of me that said, and he caught himself for a second, maybe because those cameras are there, but they have the final word. They can go back and they get to watch everything

and those guys show them and they can say, hey, look, Ballard's all over that. No, we can't have this in there. We edit this out, edit that out. But again, yeah, I think everybody has to pause and take a deep breath before they react to anything, knowing that those cameras are all over that freaking building. Chris Ballard cut out his speech.

Did you see he got a game ball from Frank? I noticed that. And then as he started to talk, it was a hard cut right to Carson Wentz gets a ball. And that had to have been Ballard going, I don't want any of my fucking words on that. And then as he started to talk, it was a hard cut right to Carson Wentz gets a ball. And that had to have been Ballard going, I don't want any of my fucking words on this show. I don't want any of me on this show. There's already too much on this thing. Go ahead, Ty.

Coach, I think you've told us before, but I don't remember when you interviewed to coach with the Colts. But in a situation with the Packers where Nathaniel Hackett, their OC, has already been requested to interview with the Jaguars. What's that process like where you still have, you know, the playoffs ahead of you and you have all your normal responsibilities and that's the game plan for that. But on the same side, you want to ace the interview and get that head coaching job. Like, how do you balance that? coaching job like how do you balance that yeah I think the great thing is because of uh zoom tie that all these guys can you know work around you know the game plan meetings uh the installs uh team meetings practice all that kind of thing so um even though you know there's this two-week window uh between the say the Jaguars and and you know, Green Bay. And I guess they've reached out to, you know, multiple guys.

I haven't heard anything yet, but I know they've reached out to Doug Peterson and two coordinators at Dallas, coordinator, you know, Nathaniel Hackett up there at Green Bay. But, yeah, because of Zoom and all the way, you know, technology is these days, they can set that up and get on a Zoom and do some preliminary stuff. Because all these meetings right now, it's kind of get to know each other. Is it all bullshit? Is it like those combine meetings, though? Are all the coaches kind of coached up on what to say, how to say?

Do they have their agents telling them how to do it? Because I think what your meeting was like six hours long or something. I guess you kind of get through that in time. are those things how do you filter through the bullshit you think if you're an owner no those guys can sniff that out and you know because what they're looking for is authenticity you know authentic people you know and they don't want they don't want some guy to come in and be you know whatever so i think right now especially in zoom you don't have to put on a coat and tie and fly in and And my interview, actually, it wasn't that long, Pat. Thank God.

It was only like three hours. I would have never made it six hours. But, you know, I think it's twofold here. Again, these guys are just starting to, you know, talk a little bit, get to know each other a little bit. Hey, what are your, you know, what's your culture going to look like? What's your team going to look like? Identity, philosophy, you know, as far as, you know, team building, offense, defense, maybe some of that stuff, but more just get to know. And I think a lot of it is like Shad down there in Jacksonville, he's got a laundry list of names, right, that he's going to talk to. He's doing a lot of information gathering himself.

So he's got a chance to pick the brains of a lot of really good coaches, offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators, former head coaches. Hey, how did you win the Super Bowl, Doug? What was your culture like? What was your process? You know, when you started going in there and when you start. So I know, like, you know in there and when you start, so I know like, you know, years and years and years ago, when Butch Davis got the Miami job in 1995, I ended up going back

to Miami with him. But before that, he was at the Dallas Cowboys D-line coach and Mr. Davis, Mr. Al Davis interviewed him for the head job at the Raiders. And it was like a three-day process and it was on the phone and he'd call him two three in the morning because Mr. Davis never slept he would come in the office at four or five o'clock in the afternoon and that's when he'd start watching the tape and go to practice you know things like that and he'd be up all night and so his phone was ringing two three four in the morning he'd be like you know he what you doing asleep, kid? Why are you sleeping? You've got to read that ball, you know.

And so, but that's how, he was on an information. He was trying to figure out, because they had just won, you know, back-to-back, you know, Super Bowls with Jimmy, 92, 93, 93, whatever it was, right? So those guys are also digging and trying to find information by talking to all these guys and not only finding out who these people are initially, and if they want to continue this process down the road and have a second, maybe a third interview, fly them in. They're gathering information too.

My question for you is, by the way, thank you for that great insight right there. I didn't even think about the intel gathering that could happen, and coaches probably have to be weary of that while they're speaking. Is this feel like I'm actually going to get this job? Are they trying to get information out of me? It's like players that get signed by other teams a week before. Am I actually, what are they trying to do?

It's an entire feeler-out process there. You talked about Al Davis and having an impression of him. I didn't know he had. I'm bummed for that that we have an Al Davis impression going on. It sounded exactly like him from the clips that I've heard. How come all these rich folks that are very successful seem to operate overnight? Are they all insomniacs? I don't want to speak out of line for anybody, but I think Ursa is a night worker, right? I think he works at night. Al Davis, he works at night. I think it's pretty well done. Vince McMahon works through the night.

Is that just something that I wonder? I mean, I wonder, should we start being a two-way action? There's no distraction. Nobody's knocking on your door. Phone ain't ringing. You know, there's probably nobody in the building. You got you and your film, your computer, your laptop, whatnot. You know, there's no distractions.

And then some of these guys are just like that. Yeah. Hey, Chuck, don't you think also if you're the owner, you know as the head coach, I doubt you can, let's say you pull up not super early and you're walking in, probably from your car to your office, you get stopped 35 times.

And you want to just get to your office and get to work. I would imagine for a guy like Al Davis, yeah, no distractions. I can be here and I don't have a million people peppering me with dumb questions about we need more staplers in the stapler in the copy room. I mean, I didn't even think about the fact that you don't have to deal with anybody at that time. It's like Steve Harvey. Remember Steve Harvey put a sign up like, don't talk to me, don't look at me,

because so many people were coming at him. And by the way, people try to make it appear as if he was a terrible person for that. It's like, okay, I don't think he needs everybody's idea for a TV show while he's trying to do 100 TV shows that he's already doing and getting set up with miscues on cards. Chuck, you're an incredible conversation, man. You would certainly hope that guys had figured that out. I mean, by the time when I went to the Raiders, Mr. Davis was still alive.

And you get a lot of heads up and guys tell you certain things to do, don't do. But nobody was going to walk up to Mr. Davis and ask him, let alone intelligent questions. You know, hey, look, cop yours down. Who do I go to, you know? You know, because, I mean, he was the man. I mean, he wasn't physically getting around like he used to, but his memory, his brain, you talk about large brains, and you've had a lot of large brains on your show, one every week in Aaron, but his memory, his brain. You talk about large brains, and you've had a lot of large brains on your show.

One every week in Aaron, but his recall. That's why when he asks you a question, he always told you, just assume he already has the answer. So if you don't know, just say you don't know. Because he'll get you. A lot of guys I saw, a lot of guys

just get humiliated for trying to just, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they start with this diarrhea of the mouth, and he's just like, that's okay, kid, that's all right, I'll figure, I'll find out myself, or he just, he'd just be like, just put you in this trap, in this web, and then all of a sudden you go you start talking and then he's like well wasn't it this oh yeah maybe it was that or and what about and what about and then all of a sudden this guy's like this big you know just sitting there and every and he always used to face the front and sit in his chair and face the front we were all behind him you know and

everybody's just like telling the guy who's talking just stop just stop quit just digging yourself a deeper hole you know oh that's awesome he he was on the all madden documentary last night obviously whenever john retired and said he can't do anymore because his life was consumed by coaching and i think coaching schedule got a lot of, I don't want to say pub last night, but spotlighted last night about the commitment it takes to be an NFL coach. John Madden, after 10 years, retires. Greatest record winning percentage with 100 wins in NFL history. But I think he said, I'm never coaching football again in his retirement

because what he was doing to his entire life and his entire being Al Davis was a part of that did you know John Madden well for all your years in the NFL especially around the Raiders organization did you do you have any cool stories about the guy who I just learned a lot about last night and I feel like I missed out on immensely yeah obviously I mean I can't put into words what everybody else has said about, you know, Coach Madden, just a legend, the GOAT icon, whatever you want to call him. But I never had an opportunity my two years there. We never crossed paths. And then by the time, you know, I had an opportunity to be in those production meetings and things. It was after, you know, he had already, you know, left the booth, you know, but one thing that, you know,

Mr. Davis always talked about with John was, I can understand now, and I hope everybody else can understand now why, because you're saying, why would he only coach, you know, 10 years, you know, because those 10 years were probably every one of them, like they say, is like dog years. It was probably like time seven. And the thing that Mr. Davis admired most, among all the things he admired about Coach Madden, was that it was only football. He said he didn't have any other hobbies. All you coaches like to play golf.

John didn't like golf. He just liked football and watching film and his family. That's it. So he had, he had nothing else. So, you know, after 10 years, you say, you know, the record speaks for itself. And, you know, all-time percentage leader, you know, with coaches with over a hundred wins and all that stuff. And I didn't even know that they had been to five or six uh AFC championships and lost before they they finally made the Super Bowl uh and won because he never had a losing record but I know it's because of you know the time and the sacrifice that he made you know it was it was all silver and black it was all Raiders it was all

football and and hey and also coach his family was all in with it as well you know his wife which is so important to the coaches uh of the NFL is having the family and the the wife is just being a hundred percent behind it felt like he had that it was a hell of a football life for John Madden uh coach Madden I wish I knew more about him and thank you for saying those incredibly kind words. I feel like we just learned even more about the guy. Go ahead, Tone. Coach, when you're a defensive head coach, that's where your background is.

How hard is it to, or is it not hard at all, to go to the offensive coordinator and suggest changes on the offensive side of the ball? Well, I think, you know, because being on that side of the football and the way you see things, and then when you watch the tape of the next opponent and you say, okay, look, we've been, you know, doing this, this, and this in a run game, in the pass game, pass protection, whatever. Here's what they are, you know, from a defensive perspective. I think, again, as long as, you know, guys are receptive, guys don't have egos or whatever, you can go in there and have a conversation and say, hey, look,

you know, for this game this week and moving forward, I think if we move in this direction and we start utilizing, you know, a little bit more of the run game, maybe a little bit more of the pass game, move the quarterback, whatever is necessary based on who you have in your roster and injuries and things like that. It's not difficult, especially again, if a guy's got a defensive background, you know, we'll always talk about reference Belichick and the time that he always spent, you know, with his quarterback and all of us tried to replicate that. And I try to, you know, spend time with the quarterbacks and Andrew and just from what I saw, you know, week in and week out based on the team that we're playing and the defensive structure and some things and just try to give them, you know, a nugget here or there, some tips on, you know, what you might be looking for.

There could be some tells and giveaways as far as, you know, certain coverage of pressure, whatever. So, no, that's, I think that's something that I don't, if you're not doing that, then I don't think, I don't think you're doing your job. And it doesn't have to be where you're running in there, you know, every week and, you know, changing the offense every week and, you know, making them put, making them put something new in every single week. You try to blend it in and mold it to who you are. Chuck, you're the best, dude.

You know that? You have the wealth of football knowledge, incredible Southern Paisana skin, I dare. So many stories, such a great resume. We're so lucky you stop by every week. One last question from old Frankie Moraldo, who is sitting in for Connor, who is currently battling Omicron. T's and P's to him, obviously, Coach.

Coach, kind of a follow-up to Tony's question, actually. When you're speaking with the coordinators, and you've told us before about working the headset, you flip that switch, you can talk to the offense or you can talk to the defense, and you're making a call mid-game maybe to say, okay, hey, let's go for it, or hey, let's run. Do you ask for or suggest specific plays,

or is it more just generalities? Like, okay, hey, let's run the ball more, or hey, let's put it in the air here. You know what? I text, first of all, I text Boston just to check. Once I saw today that he was out and checked on him. So he's got some mild symptoms, doing good. Same as B.A.

B.A.'s got some mild symptoms down there in Tampa. He's doing okay, thank God. But, no, generally you just get on there and say, hey, look, you know, we're four down right here. You run the football. And it doesn't get to the point where you say, hey, look, let's run, you know, power, you know, Ghana, you know, something like that. Just generally, hey, look, you know, it's third third and six we get a first down you know we're on a knee go ahead and throw it you know we've worked on one or two now

there might be two plays we've worked on all see all week long you know leading up to that certain situation and you might get real specific you know with the with the past concept uh that you want to run in that certain situation but most of the time it's it's just you know general stuff like you know when we've thrown it 25 times in a row it might be a good idea to get on there hey um that was the 25th pass uh in a row and it might serve us well you know to is that what the fucking ball. I was about to say, sounded like a pretty casual line. Just looking at the stats here, Pep, all right, we have Bruce. We've thrown the ball 25. Is there any way we could potentially fucking run the ball?

That would be, you know, those moments on the sideline that get spotlighted in negative fashion for instance uh who was it allen and pain i think for the washington football team where an actual punch was thrown and both guys afterwards were like hey it's in the heat of the moment that type of stuff happens the amount of disagreements that happen on a sideline in a competitive atmosphere like the nfl i don't think it is understood by the massive amount of people obviously everybody wants to be in harmony everybody wants good things to happen but in the heat of the moment when there's a lot of ideas how do you kind of control that and understand it could potentially come

for your team but also let's not promote this we don't want this happening every single day no absolutely and and uh you know watching that thing thing happen, I mean, that happens a bunch. And you know that. Can you only imagine if, you know, they could make public, you know, 60 minutes, you know, during a ballgame, the headsets? Can you imagine if they would record those and actually let, you know, somebody, you know, Joe Public, listen to some of the things that are said on those things, that would be incredible because it does get heated. You know, things are, you know, they go back and forth, player to coach, coach to player, coach to coach, head coach to assistant coach.

I mean, that's just part of it. And, yeah, you know, in the heat of the battle, especially with, you know, playoff implications, job security, a lot of other shit comes into play. You know, players, you know, they're on contract years, maybe not, you know, having the game that they want to have, the season they want to have, getting a lot of heat at home. Why ain't they feeding you the – so a lot of stuff starts to come out, especially, you know, when adversity hits.

And that's where, you know, always got to have, you know, cooler heads, you know, prevail. And hopefully, you know, somebody, you know, down there that's got a cool head. That's what I love about, like, you know, watching Frank. You know, I don't think, have you guys ever seen Frank, you know, get sideways on the sideline? I see him get fired up sometimes, you know sometimes after big wins and stuff in the locker room. But I always see him pretty cool regardless of the circumstances. And to me, to have that calming force, if you will, when stuff gets sideways and can bring everybody back to, you know, here's the task at hand.

Let's understand that. I understand this. But, you know, we can't be throwing hands on the sideline with each. Plus, it's a bad look. It's bad enough you just got 56 put on you, and now you've got two players throwing hands, you know, on the sideline. I mean, it happened to us at Cincinnati, you know, when I was at Cleveland in 2004, and things are going sideways.

And they're talking about Coach Davis getting let go. And they put, I think we lost 56 to 46 in that game down at Cincy that day. And we had two coaches go at it on the sideline. You know, and as soon as that happens, then it's like, okay, this thing's done. We got no more control over anything. And the next day, sure enough, you know, Butch is in there, you know, saying goodbye to the team. They named the interim coach, you know, Terry Rafisky was going to be the interim coach for the last month of the season. And that was a wrap, you know.

So, yeah, some crazy stuff. interim coach for the last month of the season and and that was a wrap you know so yeah some crazy stuff what do you say your team like if you were the head coach of a team and you had a couple assistants fighting during the game that was public for everybody to see i guess let's say it's a different scenario and you're the head coach and you still have your job the next morning what do you say in the team meeting to those guys yeah that's a's a good one, because you've been, you talk, you know, ad nauseum about keeping your cool, stay together, you know, being under control, you know, you got to keep your head, we can't have any bad penalties, you can't be the second guy, you can't retaliate, you know, all this stuff. And then, you know, when something like that happens, it's really hard to get up, you know, in front of those guys and say, you know, what the hell happened.

And, you know, I don't, that's why I'm glad I'm not, I wasn't on that sideline or, you know, don't say anymore. I got to go in front of a group and, you know, and I think those guys get it, AJ. I mean, you've been down there. Pat's been down there. You understand in certain situations that that stuff's going to happen. There's going to be some words, some conversations that get a little bit heated, some not-so-nice things said. But hopefully the relationship is strong enough between whoever it was

and the group that you can come together and team meet and say okay look this is totally out of line this is what happened you know you're good you're good yeah we're good and then you move on it kind of puts a bow on the entire thing i've been talking about for the first half of this week and getting attacked for almost is you can disagree with people and move on you know and i think football locker rooms taught me that more than anywhere else, let alone the competitive on why or strategy or potentially outcome or benefits that one person's either getting or not getting,

and that could be it. But also there could be just a disagreement about philosophy in the middle of the game that could potentially come up, and two people can look at each other and say, you're an idiot, I don't agree with you, and then guess what? There's another play happening that we can fucking lose about. You know, like you just got to kind of move on. I wish the world would do a little bit more of that.

Hopefully we'll see that day. And we can't thank you enough for joining us, Chuck. You're the fucking man. Appreciate you guys. Take care. Hey, when you coming back? Happy New Year. Happy New Year.

Happy New Year to you. When are we going to see you in person again? Super Bowl, huh? Hey, I've got nothing to do. I'm going to go get my fifth workout in today you know i got oh you're coaching again hey this dude's getting back into coaching and you got five workouts you're doing four loads of laundry tina's keeping you on there you're loving retirement yeah we're still loving everything about it yeah hell yeah yeah it's been i'm living a blessed life it's it's awesome yeah so yeah i'm whenever wherever you just make the call send that private jet i'm good ladies and gentlemen coach chuck pagana thank you

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learn new things about him uh throughout this entire show but we do have to address some house cleaning stuff uh at ty schmidt is here at the toxic table how you doing ty you're doing great uh next to ty at the toxic table frank. Hey, good to be back out here, boys. Feels like old times. Hey, stick tap for you, for sure. I don't love the circumstances, but I'm happy to be here. And I would like to let everybody know that the reason why Nick is there is because Connor self-reported some symptoms this morning,

socially distanced, takes the test. Omicron. Oh, no. I the test. Omicron. Oh, no. I believe it's Omicron, I think. Yeah, he was playing catch with Carson Wentz yesterday. That's right. Yeah, he was playing catch with Carson Wentz yesterday, I think, you know. No, whatever the case, hope he survives. Hope Carson Wentz survives. Thank you for coming in here.

Zito will be doing double duty in the back box. He'll be here. Tone digs one half of the hammer. Die! Cowboys is here. And I would just like to let everybody know. There was a lot of things said about me last night. Oh, I can imagine. I was training for a long time last night. There was a lot of very...

Somebody accused me of basically killing people yesterday. With a checkmark, journalist. All right? What? And I'm sure Mike Freeman, NFL, does great work. Mm-hmm. First thing, journalist, is what his info says. And then all the places he's worked, he's worked everywhere.

I'm sure this guy does incredible work, and I understand that he has a following. I felt it yesterday a little bit. And he basically accused me of killing people and having misinformation on this program that is leading to devastating things happening outside here because of me allowing, in his words, Aaron Rodgers to spew Aaron Rodgers' nonsense on my platform. Now, I did ask him in a rebuttal tweet that had to be softened down seven times. I asked him, excuse me, how come you're picking and choosing what to report from my show are you doing that in an attempt to mislead people and is that not a style of misinformation as well

how come you didn't cover when Charles Barkley came on explain why he believes in the vaccine and everything like that so I think the picking and choosing of when you want to say hey my platform is terrible is a little bit isn't that kind of go against journalism, I think, unless you're trying to build a narrative or paint a picture or whatever. And Mike Freeman doesn't know me. I've never met him. I'm sure if we met each other, we'd be much better understanding. But there was a lot of shit said about me.

And a lot of it was that my program doesn't allow anybody on it that has a brain that could speak about COVID and maybe answer some questions that I don't ask Aaron Rodgers because I have not read, I don't know what, 7,000 books to become a fucking doctor? Correct. So we got a doctor on the show. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now, a doctor who I assume knows that he is going to get probably a buzzsaw of questions. That's kind of his life as a doctor, by the way. Doctor always answering questions.

Always answering questions. Now, as soon as I announced he was going to be on the show, I don't know, everybody basically said, he's not a fucking doctor. So let's find out first things first. Joining us, ladies and gentlemen, unless doctor is his first name like I wanted to do for my kid, I think an actual doctor, Dr. Drew.

Dr. Drew. Pleasure, gentlemen. is his first name like i wanted to do for my kid i think an actual doctor dr drew pleasure gentlemen hey doc how come immediately by the way thank you for joining us thank you so much thank you we appreciate that a lot you look amazing we appreciate that how come immediately upon me saying uh we're gonna have dr drew on to it because i don't know shit about fuck in this particular world i think you probably could realize that you're talking to a guy in a tank top i do have dior air force ones on whoa fancy no big deal but but i don't know any of this stuff as soon as i said you were coming on there is a litany of people not a real doctor what does that mean and why people love shitting on me i don't know why but let me give you my credentials i'm a physician i got an md in 1984 i did internal medicine residency then i I did a chief residency. Then I taught internal medicine. Then

I became an assistant clinical professor of medicine. Then I went into the psychiatric field where I ran departments in a psychiatric hospital. I ended up becoming the director of chemical dependency services in 1991, something I did for over 20 years. I also then became an assistant clinical professor in the department of psychiatry. So I've had lots of medical experience. I've seen everything. And it's why I have some opinions about what's going on with COVID. Okay. So doc, thank you for reading your resume. I feel like the person that has read the amount of books that you have read in the amount of hours you've spent taking tests that none of us, whatever in a million years do, you shouldn't have to just read that off every single time.

But it is the world that we're living in. And now, since you have a psychiatry degree, numerous ones, and you also have the medical degrees, numerous, it feels like you are the perfect person to chat to at this exact time. How come you think that right now there are two very different stances on whether or not you're going to get the Vax or not get the Vax? Now, I'm not saying it's 50-50. And I don't want anybody to think that I believe that it's 50-50, pro-Vax, anti-Vax. I have no idea what those numbers are. But why do you think we've gotten to this point where people are so – somebody told me that I'm killing people because I'm letting Aaron come on and talk. I know.

I saw that. That's insane. And, by the way, how many lives has he saved? The guy that's accusing you of killing people. Is he by signaling with his mask saving people? Exactly how many people has he saved? Oh, okay. I didn't know this was what this was going to go like.

Okay, Dr. Drew, I appreciate you going to bat for me there. I do that. But be that as it may. So people are afraid. Fear is the number one motivator right now. And they're seeing all this polarization in the media. They've realized they can't believe the media. It's stocked. It's chock full of fake news. So they don't know who to go to. At the beginning of the pandemic, I kept saying, listen to Dr. Fauci, listen to the CDC. But they too have had sort of an adulterated course here where it's

not clear that I still trust them, but I understand when people can't trust them. So who do they go to? Where do they go? Well, unfortunately, they go to their silos on the Internet and they get a lot of reinforcement around material that is not exactly accurate. Also, we have the African-American community who is already been mistreated by my profession for 150 years. Of course, they're not going to trust everything we hand out. for 150 years, of course, they're not going to trust everything we hand out. And we have to rebuild that trust. And people have to not vilify, not get angry, not tell people they're going to not have access to health care if they don't get a vaccine. We have to build that rapport again and do what we know how to do, frankly, since the AIDS epidemic. We learned how to shape health behavior in the 1990s and we've abandoned 1980s frankly and we abandoned all of that during

this pandemic it's been very bizarre okay so you said a lot there obviously and i i appreciate the fact that you're so passionate about this because the world that i just been living in for depending upon the amount of hours after aaron comes on the show and does his thing i assume you're in that world every single day and when you say you still trust the CDC and the doctors, even though, and I think you used the word adulterated in a fashion that I've never heard it used before. They've kind of hit or miss, I think is what you're saying. They've been trying to. I'm saying that they've taken questions where they've become evasive and not transparent.

And that's how you build this trust. And so you got, we must be completely transparent as clinicians and scientists about our thinking, about our uncertainty. The government is weirdly taking the attitude is you can't handle the truth, which is exactly the way the wrong position to take and the way to create vaccine hesitancy. It's about opening the doors, letting them in on your thinking and show really that we are uncertain about a lot of stuff that's the nature of medicine and build our case why it's important for people to get vaccinated particularly in risk populations so you are if i'm hearing this you agree with the stances on the vaccines why why like when aaron explained um and by the way i'm vaccinated that somehow gets missed in every single time i'm told I'm a terrible human being. I'm sure.

Well, you are a terrible human being. That's a separate thing. Respect, respect. I do respect that. But allergies is one thing that Aaron looked into his body, and we've got to assume that these people who have a lot of money, you have a lot more friends that have that era of money. Here's where Aaron Rodgers is making a reasonable decision that no one's talking about. He has to go out on the field three days later

after taking a vaccine that may, may, remote risk cause heart inflammation. I understand that's a risk. And it's taking a healthy person and making them possibly sick. That's different than, damn, I caught this thing. I still could get the heart inflammation. I didn't want to get it, but I got it. So I'm going to have to be very, very careful. I understand people are fearful of going from healthy to ill, particularly when they've got to hit the turf three days later and play it at full capacity.

I get there was kind of a tough decision there. He should have had the vaccine. He got the illness. Okay, what's the big deal? Okay. So people, and this leads right into the next question beautifully, and we appreciate you, Dr. Drew, who is an actual doctor. Yes. Turns out. Medical doctor. Wow. And brain doctor, psychiatry doctor. These are all his things. We put them off the website. Let's go check the resume, Dr. Drew. Thank you. By the way, nobody ever does that. Thank you for doing that. Those are all my board certification. I'm double boarded. Those are all my professorships and fellowships. I've got lots of them. So there you go. Well, Doc, we're proud of you for having all those. And also last night

while I was getting an onslaught of he's not an actual doctor, I was thinking to myself, Dr. Drew has been a doctor my entire life. this guy not a doctor and Zito our guy looked him up and said boom here they are okay so let's talk about the vaccine and you said he did he got uh COVID because he wasn't vaccinated it feels like now people are I was vaccinated I got COVID bad I got a pretty bad one now 104 I had 104 and a half degree fever. It was great. There are some people that aren't vaccinated who got COVID that weren't as bad as me. I think it's a strange thing. The vaccine is not a hundred percenter. It is just a build, like the boost. This is just a buildup of a shield. Is that how it should be painted?

It helps prevent. I keep telling people, we don't have a way to stop this thing, and we don't have a way to make it better once you've contracted it completely. We have a way of reducing complication. Like when I got sick, I had bad COVID. I was sick for almost three months. But a week in, I got monoclonal antibodies. No one had ever heard of that then. And I thought, oh my God, this kept me out of the hospital.

So I went out on Instagram Live and kept pumping it out there. And of course, people are so paranoid. What you get back is who's paying you to say this or, oh, just because you're a special person, you got it. No, they're free. The government bought it and it's available to everybody. If you're my profession froze during this pandemic and really didn't even learn what's available for patients. And that's still happening to this day. It's very bizarre. It's really wild what happened. So let's dive in on the ivermectin then. So the ivermectin is obviously a big conversation piece. I mean, it is a big piece. Which is weird.

Well, it's because, and I think you and I both know this, in the world that we live in, and I'm in the sports world, but I have friends on both ends of the spectrum, literally both ends of the spectrum, which I wish more people would do, by the way. I'm learning there's probably not a lot of people who have that. But both ends of the spectrum, literally both ends of the spectrum, which I wish more people would do, by the way. I'm learning there's probably not a lot of people who have that. But both ends of the spectrum understood. As soon as Trump pushed something, right, that was going to become an immediate boom.

And then if you get Joe Rogan involved, and Joe Rogan's another polarizing figure for whatever reason, even though incredibly successful and has, you know, grinded at this for a long time. But he is hated by some people. As soon as they start pushing it, then a narrative starts getting built. Is ivermectin something in your eyes that has just been demonized because you hear people talk about it? It has been demonized. Here's a couple levels on it. We have two new antivirals that are now approved for emergency use, Paxilavid and Molnupiravir. They are excellent. Problem is, I can't get my hands on them. I've been calling pharmacies for two days. They're not distributing it. Why not? I don't understand. Those two medications make ivermectin look like a pop gun compared to an Uzi. I mean, it really is. Ivermectin, if it works, it's on the margin. But when we had nothing else to do, it was harmless. country, if you come into this country from most countries, you're required to take ivermectin. We just, as a part of the immigration policy, we give it to everybody that comes in. I've used it for

decades, literally a harmless medicine. So the harmlessness and that it might do a little something, people go, okay, let's use it. But when we have better therapies, it's going to kind of fade away. But the fact that people started using this moniker about it being a horse medication, I was talking to Kroll about this yesterday. He goes, you know, why don't people say, look, there's brushes for horses and brushes for girls. Are we not allowed to use brushes now because there's brushes for horses? It's the same idea. Yeah, it's used in both there. Now the money, the conversation, and you said everybody's become so skeptical about everything whenever you push the monoclonal antibodies and said, who's paying paying you to say this that has become a real thing right because

a lot of people's investments have been made public maybe they're wrong maybe they're not but they've taken a lot of turn those same people are potentially in some power controlling some stuff how do we know how are people supposed to know like for instance you know all these vaccine they made like billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars to this entire thing. And there's some people that are like, oh, everything is being forced through these pharma companies because of how much money they are grossly making in their own pockets. How do we, how do we separate like personal advancement financially from also can help?

You know what I mean? How do you get those people? So let's do two things. When there's profits to be made, there is enthusiasm and marketing, right? Like there's another medicine that is quite effective, it looks like, early in COVID called fluvoxamine. It's an old SSRI antidepressant that has anti-inflammatory properties on the brain. I took it for my long hauler syndrome.

It cleared things up in 30 minutes. It was crazy effective for me, not for everybody. Again, cost pennies, harmless medicine, not using it for the antidepressant properties, using it for the anti-inflammatory properties. And it's not being pushed because no one's making money on it. And in fact, a friend of mine was in a situation

where another doctor accused him of being paid by somebody because he was pushing fluvoxamine so hard. We have an obligation as physicians to always put that those disclosures up front. So if it's a doctor talking, he or she will say, hey, you know, I work for this company X. And here's my opinion, you know, based on the we also have to talk about the entire subject and class we're obliged to do all that but we have to say that all up front so if it's a physician it's that if it's a drug company or a journalist who knows yeah but nobody's really going to physicians right the physicians are just on tv or on the internet you know like this for instance this is so you saying you have to disclose who has an investment and whatever and everything that's not happening like mass press conferences press conferences, right? Like that's not something that's potentially taking place there.

So it should be, I mean, the CDC, they have strict, you know, they can't be, I don't know, I'd be shocked if they have any sort of, you know, they have funding for their research that comes in through pharma. But personally, if they have any direct relation, that would be tough if they didn't disclose that a lot. Okay, that's a great answer, by the way. That's a huge piece of information. And I am trying to ask as many questions as I see from either side here. Let's go to the vaccine, super vaccine. Are they in the right of saying that the unvaccinated are potentially affecting them and their family in the way our world is? Do you think in other words, unvaccinated or harming other people? The only the only thing the unvaccinated harm themselves, that's that.

I mean, the fact is that people like yourself, people break through with the vaccine all the time and you are still infectious. The reality that here's the two things that concern us, though. If you're vaccinated, you tend to be producing virus for a shorter period of time. So you may be at risk of exposing other people for a temporarily a shorter period, which is good, right? You may infect less people. Number two, the duration of viral activation, viral replication determines to some degree the extent for mutation. So the more virus, the more time replicating, the more mutation. And that's the only really scary thing going on right now. Now, we all may get sort of immunized or inoculated by Omicron.

I've seen I've seen literally 100 cases of Omicron in the last week. It's been unbelievable. Super mild in the vaccinated. Crazy mild. Most of them didn't even know they had it. That's how mild it is. And they're going to have now a hybrid, really solid immunity. Is that a good thing, a bad thing?

It's hard to tell. We worry that having all that virus around may create more potential for mutation. My sense is it's a net positive. People are going to be very much immunized by this virus now. Okay. So Omicron is a fast runner. We heard about it coming out of California. It was being promoted as being like, hey, this is the biggest, baddest COVID of all time. This is bigger. It ended up being the fastest, I think. It spreads the fastest. It is. It's incredibly infectious. But If you're vaccinated, it's ridiculous. Mild.

I mean, it is mild. Now I have a non-vaccinated guy who's very sick with it. I think again, we're not always getting the genetic subtyping of these viruses, but I think that's what he's got. And he could have Delta. It's possible, but he's quite ill. So if you're unvaccinated, Omicron can still hurt you. Okay.

So by the way, great statement right there. We appreciate you saying all the things you're saying dr drew who's an actual doctor we saw his certificates and degrees so with covet 19 the og here right i mean who knows how it took over the entire world then there was what delta came through and then now omicron coming through and it's the weakest one right to covet 19-19, the original wave, strongest of all time, right? I mean, that's the strongest of all time. That was nasty. That was the most nasty.

Rest in peace. Terrible what it did to the entire world. Stopped the entire world. Delta, also strong, but not as strong as COVID-19, right? Omicron. Omicron now seems to be, are we phasing? You can't make any absolutes, I understand. But in your eyes, is this a natural progression of a viral disease? And are we going to have to deal with this forever like the flu? Or is there a chance this thing ends soon?

to become weaker and weaker with time. That's an advantage evolutionarily for the virus, right? To kind of be able to move around amongst us and just survive with us rather than having us try to stamp it out and it killing us. So it just makes sort of intuitive sense from an evolutionary perspective that the virus would want to coexist with us peaceably. Now, that doesn't mean that's what will happen. This has been a very bizarre virus it's been unusual in terms of it's you know its structure it's how it has mutated how it has affected the human body so anything is possible i my prayers are certainly that it will go the direction that makes evolutionary sense towards a milder cold what did you what did you mean there in the middle you started taking some shots at the you know the way this thing is built and you're talking about it as if it lived peacefully.

It doesn't. We worry that it was something constructed in the lab and so it doesn't necessarily follow the usual rules. See, but you can't say, like, remember back in the day when that was even mentioned. If it was even mentioned that it came. You're a racist. You're a racist if you mentioned it. Worst human of all time. Because we're all trying to.

I knew. I watched Dr. Fauci. I got involved in radio because of Anthony Fauci. Back in 1983, he was chanting to us young physicians. I was deep in the AIDS epidemic. I was taking care of so many AIDS patients. It was wild back then. And it was horrible. It was a horrible experience.

And we couldn't do anything. He just said, you've got to go out there and educate young people about the risks. And so that's how I got involved with radio. And I've been through four subsequent pandemics with him. So, you know, SMERS, SARS-1, H1N1, H1N1 was a horrible pandemic and you don't even know what happened. That's the crazy thing. That's, that's what I kept saying at the beginning of this. Like we've been through some bad ones, calm down, everybody we'll get, we'll get through it. Pandemics are defined by excess death. It will suck, but panic is not going to help anything. So what was your question? I've already lost my train of thought.

No, it's okay. You actually led me to another one because we've been at the beginning of this thing, and you brought up Dr. Fouch, who I saw throw one of the worst opening pitches in the history of baseball. Papa boy. Yeah, it was similar. I mean, it was a bad one. And I try to stay out of the real world, honestly, because I think people expect me and hope for me.

And I think what my job is, is to come in and just be like a vacation for people. So I literally tried my best to stay out of everything. But in the world that we're in, especially with the internet, shit's going to make its way in. Fats has had quite a, huh, this this particular run it is kind of come and gone immediately at the beginning hey two weeks and then two weeks became a month and then it's obviously led into whatever it is and people had their thoughts i think about him very early and then it's kind of got cemented in there what are your thoughts on dr fauci and do you okay yeah so so that's where some of the vaccine hesitancy

comes from i I was very disappointed when he was testifying in front of Congress and they asked him about, you know, gathering in public places. No, it's dangerous. How about if you're demonstrating? Well, I don't know what you're asking me. It's like, don't do just answer the damn question. Don't play those games. That's where he lost me. He is back. I saw him in an interview two days ago and I thought, ah, there is the Anthony Fauci I've come to know and love. He's back. He sort of landed. He was stuck in some sort of political quagmire. I don't know what was happening to him,

but he was adulterated by that, as I said earlier. I've been through five pandemics with him. He is an exceptional clinician. He's been an extraordinary resource for this country. He was whom I kept saying you should look to for guidance. Something went on politically where we

all lost our minds for a little while I think when this is all done and by the way his lack of transparency is what created vaccine hesitancy so I'm not letting him off the hook for that that was a big mistake but when the day is done I do believe he will revert to the mean and he will be the guy I know him to be who is excellent. And I remember now the other question you asked me, which is the one day I knew we could talk about the possibility of a China lab production was when he said, well, maybe it came from a Chinese lab. We'll have to look into that. And all of a sudden, everything changed.

You can now talk about science again, the possibility of investigating where a virus came from. Okay, let's talk about science because that was something I was attacked for yesterday as well because Aaron talked about peer reviews and peer reviews and everything like that. Whenever you go through all of these new, like the CDC, for instance, just changed from 10 days to five days for the quarantine. Then the internet immediately said, well, that's because the Delta CEO said 4,000 planes can't be delayed. I thought the NFL was going to have to make a change

and everybody else will kind of feel the ripple effect. In turn, which might make sense because I'm just a sports meathead, the CDC makes a change, and all the other leagues kind of ripple out from that point. As soon as the CDC said go 10 days to five days, the NFL was like, there it is. We're going to do this as well, and everybody did that. You said you have a lot of faith in the CDC and how hard it is to get infiltrated there. You think that was done because of the data and analytics that they're seeing from the newest COVID? And you think that will only continue to go?

That fit my experience perfectly. And they made a good decision and not an easy decision because they get vilified too. But that absolutely fits the clinical syndrome. It looks to me, now I'm going to give you an opinion. This is now not peer review. This is not the literature. I can only give you my clinical experience. Hey, don't be spreading misinformation on this program. All right. It's not going to be a super exciting observation, but I have noticed that the testing for Omicron is kind of nefarious. It's sort of all over the place. I think most people with Omicron

are only producing significant virus for very short periods of time. And so people are negative. They test negative throughout. They only test positive for a minute. That being the case means they are not very infectious for long. Once they clear the virus to the point

where you can't detect it on a test, you're not contagious. And that's essentially what they're saying. And they're noticing the same thing I'm noticing, that it's a very short-lived period of viral productivity where you could be infectious. Do you think, now, I don't know if you're going to be a pundit, a misinformation spreader, or a psychiatrist, or a medical doctor in this answer. Are we near the end of this thing? You know, it feels like everybody's about fed up.

I mean, granted, there's still a lot of very passionate people. I experienced them last night. I was told I'm killing people because Aaron comes on here and speaks. It has been incredible talking to you, by the way. I feel like we've all learned a lot and we appreciate you. I feel like some trust maybe has been earned back because Dr. Drew has given people the OG, he's okay. Whenever you talk about

the world getting back into it from a psychiatry standpoint, from a medical standpoint, from an advancement standpoint, this is going to be a nightmare, isn't it? I mean, this is a whole new world now we've been living in for two years. Coming out of it is going to be a nightmare, right? It's really hard to say. I mean, you're asking a difficult question. And it has been very bizarre. I mean, this has been a crazy experience. When I started noticing people talking about Nazis everywhere and Russian operatives there, I thought, wow, if you had said this to me five years ago, I would have put you into the psychiatric hospital. And now that kind of delusional, rigid, over-the-top, histrionic

thinking became just routine everywhere. I feel like that's settling. I think that will settle. And as that settles, people will be able to make more rational decisions. I think we are tired. I think people are assessing reality on their own terms. Reality does have a way of creeping in and you can't avoid it. And the reality is this thing is milder. We're getting vaccinated. We're taking reasonable approaches. We have therapeutics now. We have monoclonal antibodies. We have Paxlovid. The panicics needs to go away we need to go about our business and live with this thing i think people are enthusiastic about that maybe too much so and that we need to sort of uh take a very moderate course all this and move forward

and be you know there's a time for courage too you know what i'm saying it's a time to stand up and go okay it's time to live that survival survival is not the priority, but living and living well and flourishing really needs to be our priority. Let's stand up. Let's move forward. We've got a lot of great treatments available. Let's, life is risky. Let's move forward and let's live together again and not, not be stuck in this delusional quagmire. I love the motivational speech you just gave. Wouldn't that be a celebration of the medicine in science if we did move forward? It's like, hey, we got the treatments.

Vaccines are good for you. If people don't want it, let them deal with that. Yeah, exactly. Why this isn't, that's precisely it. That why we didn't, I mean, we've had these, I knew at the outset of this pandemic that no one in the world is better than the United States, the medical system and the research we have at responding

and improvising. I knew we would come up with treatments. I knew we would come up with vaccines. I was confident about that. And here we are two years later, we have great therapeutics and we have good vaccines. Celebrate that. It's an, we've literally, we saved the world. It's an extraordinary thing. And and yes pandemics are pandemics suck they're defined by excess death if excess people aren't dying we are not in a pandemic anymore and we should act accordingly we beat covid dude well we we we gave ourself the what is necessary to do so how we you know really get through it it's it's a it's a it's a black box and we have to operate our way

through. But we shouldn't be sheltering in place. We shouldn't be hiding. We shouldn't be attacking each other. We shouldn't be delusional and paranoid. We should stand up with a little bit of courage and walk forward. And by the way, let the medical system work. Work with your physician to make these decisions. Why anybody has any opinion about what Joe Rogan does with his doctor is offensive to me. That's between him and his doctor and just the two of them

and no one else. Isn't it awesome? I say you're coming on the show. He's not a real doctor. Then I call Dr. Joe Rogan Dr. Joe Rogan and that's a slap in your face as well. You can't win,

but doctors never see people when they're good. You only see people when you're bad so you have to build up callous to all that. Last question here before we let you go. We can't thank, but doctors never see people when they're good. You only see people when you're bad. So you have to build up a callous to all that. Uh, last question here before we let you go, we can't thank you enough. Uh, immunity, whenever you, uh, when you get the shot, the vaccine, how long should that shield you think remain the boost shield? Should it remain? And also if you get Omicron, is it three months? Is it six months? Is it a year? Do we know anything about how long

you should be good? So we know a lot about the vaccines, and I think most people are aware they decay with time. They wane. Even the booster wanes. You're pretty good. There's a whole story to be told. What wanes is the antibody response, which is the direct neutralizing effect on the virus. But we also have a T-cell army waiting behind to mount an attack on the virus should we get infected. That story has yet to be fully elucidated. We don't know for sure how that's going to work. My bet is we're going to be pretty good for years. My other bet is if you have vaccine and any of the variants, you are what some people are calling super immunity.

It's a hybrid immunity that in all likelihood will be excellent for years. So I'm vaxxed and I got like the strongest son of a bitch. You should be good. I'm not saying you won't get sick. You might get sick with something, but it's not going to bother you if you get it. And my T cells are going to come.

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