The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 580 - OVERREACTION MONDAY, Super Wildcard Weekend Recap, Kay Adams, Darius Butler, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Super Wildcard Weekend and FanDuel's Same Game Parlay Holiday that saw the office lose a couple of massive parlay's by the thinnest of margins, a...nd what we learned from the first round of the playoffs including the Bills looking like an absolute wagon, the Chiefs flipping the switch, Tom Brady and the Bucs continuing to roll, the crazy ending in the Cowboys/49ers game and how clock management issues ultimately did the Cowboys in, who they like in tonight's Cardinals v. Rams game rounding out Wildcard Weekend and much more. Joining the program is first time guest, co-host of Good Morning Football, host of People! The TV Show, Kay Adams. Pat and Kay chat about her journey to NFL Network, what she thought of the games this weekend, who she likes tonight, being a free agent after the season, her affiliation with the Bears being from Chicago, how she become the Queen of Cincinnati, who she likes in tonight's game, and who is ultimately going to win the Super Bowl (49:23-1:11:40). Later, 9 Year NFL veteran at DB, host of the Man-To-Man Podcast, friend of the progrum, Darius Butler joins Pat and AJ Hawk to break down everything that happened over Wildcard Weekend and his biggest takeaways including what is wrong with the Cowboys, what the Patriots need to do moving forward, his thoughts on Chiefs v. Bills and why he likes the Bills, if the 49ers are a threat moving forward in the playoffs and much more (1:32:53-1:55:57). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, it is Overreaction Monday, January 17th, 2022. Massive show today. A lot happened yesterday, including an epic loss by half a yard. We talk about that, the same game parlay, holiday as a whole, super wild card weekend. And look on to tonight's big matchup between the Cardinals and the Rams. Darius Butler stops by per his usual Monday conversation. Kay Adams of Good Morning Football fame is here.
Starting point is 00:00:29 AJ Hawk, all the boys can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your Monday here. If you enjoy this show by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Here we go. Overreaction Monday, january 17th 2022 happy martin luther king jr day and now we go shout out to martin luther king jr i think at some point today go ahead and look around see
Starting point is 00:00:57 somebody that might not be the exact same as you have a conversation and understand that they have a story they have a life and they could potentially be an asset to your life as well. And hopefully that is what this show will be able to provide for you for the next three hours as we chit-chat the weekend that was this same game parlay holiday, the weekend that was super wild card weekend. Now, the boys are here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Conner at the Toxic Table representing the pod. Thought your parlay was going to get the same game parlay holiday off on a really hot start there.
Starting point is 00:01:31 One of the Raiders traveled to Cincinnati to take on the hot Moxie Havin, son of a bitch, Joey Burrow and the Bengals squad. Now, listen, this Bates dude in the back end deserves more conversation. What a fucking ball hawk beast. But whenever you look back on the weekend while you were representing the pod, putting your parlay together for that game, what stuck out to you the most? And how come we didn't win
Starting point is 00:01:55 there early? Well, I mean, I think we want to take credit, or not credit, but responsibility for not getting the ball rolling in for all the other parlays not hitting. I think that was on us. But look, no Renfro score, no Jamar Chase score, no Mixon score, no Waller score. It was all a bunch of guys that you didn't really expect to be showing up and playing ball. Uzama getting back into the paint.
Starting point is 00:02:17 I mean, that's good news. Ty, I feel like you guys had a pretty good read on how that game was going to go. And although the Bengals do get a win, it wasn't how we expected it to happen. Joey Burrow puts his sunglasses on after that game was going to go. And although the Bengals do get a win, it wasn't how we expected it to happen. Joey Burrow puts his sunglasses on after that game. Is anybody stopping the Bengals right now? They got the Titans this upcoming weekend in beautiful Nashville. But goddamn, they look very calm, cool, and collected.
Starting point is 00:02:37 I listened to the interview after the game with Joey B because I forgot I've got to change channels to go to the next game. That's right. So they don't tell you that, by the way, because they kind of trap you in their little post-game bullshit. Right into 60 minutes. Here we go.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Boom, boom, bang. We got you. So I actually heard the interview that Joey Burrow did on the field with the pads on, and he said, this isn't a big deal. We just got to move on and win the next game or whatever. I'm like, that's what I love to hear. Because in a locker room, they're acting very different. Okay?
Starting point is 00:03:03 And maybe out and about in the clubs of Cincinnati, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Maybe from a socially distant standpoint, they were having a good time celebrating the first playoff victory in the Natty in 31 years. The first team to win a playoff game without an indoor practice facility in 31 years. Cincinnati had to celebrate and be excited. Their fan base showed up early and very, very drunk.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I feel like we could have hit that same game parlay, but in the end what we took away from it was good for Cincinnati. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that was kind of like the shining light of the whole thing. It's like, well, at least this game didn't also fucking stick because the Bengals are very fun to watch. That's a team that for the next couple years here, I think they should be
Starting point is 00:03:49 a little bit concerned. I saw Zach Taylor was out at a bar giving the city of Cincinnati a game ball, people popping in, taking selfies if he gets COVID. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't want to rain on the parade just yet, but yeah, that Bengals team is very fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:04:06 And I think, I mean, Joe Burrow, obviously a dude, and you're thinking like, hey, this team could win the AFC, go to the Super Bowl, and then you watch the Josh Allen. It's like, oh, well, this guy's really good too. So that's the interesting thing. And we will move on to the next games. I just wanted to say, Pod, thanks for your effort. Put your mind to it.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Although your parlay did not hit, you were not alone in that department. Before we get to the 69,261 bettors that bet alongside myself, Evan Fox, A.J. Hawk, and the incredibly talented Dirty at Drawn to the Game. Before we get to that, we've got to talk about a couple things. Raiders coach, Basaccia, how's your family? Hey, Richie. Hey, Richie, how's your family hey Richie how's your family hey Richie was spotted in his uh hotel in Cincinnati with some glasses on that
Starting point is 00:04:50 had the connections on the back there just in case they fall off can't can't move down the nose why because I'm focused why are you focused because I'm handwriting a letter to every guy on this team saying hey thanks for being part of the family. Hey, how's it feeling? First down, you're not so good, huh? Second down, you really turned it around. How's your family, huh? How's he doing? I tried to write handwritten notes to all the guys that were in our fourth down army the year that I made the Pro Bowl.
Starting point is 00:05:19 And I think we gave up zero yards returning when I was kicking off and punting for like the first 13 weeks of the season. We had a bunch of fakes that year. There was a lot of stuff. We were a tight unit. So at the end of the season, whenever I made Pro Bowl, I wanted to write them all and say thanks. I got four players in, and I'm like, God damn, hey.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Oh, my God. This is a lot of writing. I don't know how Richie Bisaccia was able to do it, but I think that is what all the Raiders players were saying whenever they said they love this fucking man. They love Richie Bisaccia. They showed up for Richie Bisaccia throughout the entire season. They make the playoffs over the Colts with Richie Bisaccia
Starting point is 00:05:57 and everything else they had to deal with. Derek Carr came out and said his future would be dependent upon who they hire as a head coach. Is that Derek Carr telling the guy who has to battle against the IRS behind the scenes right now and the other owners? Mark Davis like, hey, hire this guy. I'll be back. It feels like they love each other. It feels like they're growing over there.
Starting point is 00:06:16 But with Mark Davis, we don't have a fucking clue what's going to happen. Yeah, definitely not doing it. Nobody has a clue what's going to happen. And a lot of people immediately think, well, if you hire this guy who's the interim coach, you're going to stink. Because there's a lot of stats and there's a lot of narratives. There's a lot of instances
Starting point is 00:06:32 where you hire the interim coach and then it doesn't work out for one reason or the other. But maybe Richard Basaccia has just been sitting with the guy with the with the with the gabagool. The material. With the bop-a-do-boop-a-day. Hey.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Boop-a-do-bop-a-day. Too far. That's too far. That's too much. How's the fazolini, fazole? Bop-a-bop-a-bow. Give me the chicken parmesan. With the side of the ball.
Starting point is 00:06:59 That's way too much. Hey, football, it's you. They're calling me. What if he's just been waiting? What? That was unnecessary. What are you talking about? The first two were fine. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:07:09 You fuck great. It's all good. What are you talking about? You start making noises with no words behind them. That's when we draw the line. Come on. Listen, I've been in a lot of, now, after 23andMe, I've been at a lot of our dinners. Okay? And that's
Starting point is 00:07:25 exactly what I heard. I thought I was saying something. I thought only, I thought you, you, Nick, you, DeJulio, I thought maybe you, me, us, we were going to have a conversation there without all these guys. That's all I was actually trying to be. I thought Richard Basacci and I were kind of speaking to each other there. I thought he heard what I was saying.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Ha-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-boom! What are you eating dinner with? Toddlers? Infants? You're making baby noises. to each other there i thought he heard what i was saying dinner with toddlers you're making baby noises no no no speaking italian shut up hold on let me Ain't a star. Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Starting point is 00:08:05 Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?
Starting point is 00:08:06 Huh? Huh? Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:10 You've probably seen me do that at an actual dinner. I mean, what are we even talking about here? There's a lot more noise going on with actual words. Well, I'm not a great actor. I was trying to just put myself back into the seat at that table. Reverend Raines is at the head of it. What? Of course.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Anyways, what if Richard Passaccio was just sitting back out, you know? Yeah. Pondering. Pondering. Okay. And I think the pinky ring would help you write those notes because it kind of just locks in, you know?
Starting point is 00:08:39 You just kind of sit that thing down. Prevents smearing, too. What if he's a great head coach? In the narrative that the interim head coach, who just took a team that was in complete disarray to the playoffs somehow, can't be a good coach because in the past it hasn't happened. That'd be sad. I hope Richard Basaccia gets to have plenty of up, up, up, up, up.
Starting point is 00:08:57 You know, over there in Los Angeles. Stop shaking your head. Everything okay? He's a great representative. Who? Richard Basaccia? He is. What you're doing, though. Yeah, he's not bee-bopping all over the place. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm shaking your head. Is everything okay? He's a great representative. Who? Richie Passaccia? He is.
Starting point is 00:09:05 What you're doing, though. Yeah, he's not bee-bopping all over the place. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It came out of your mouth. I'm lying. Whoa. What do you mean bee-bopping? Anyways, the Raiders could look very different next year.
Starting point is 00:09:16 Congrats to them on making the playoffs. The Raiders. They literally, if they end up with Passaccia, you know, as their head coach for the next 10 years and they're successful, they found love in a hopeless place. I got it. Thank you, Rihanna. You know know what i mean shout out to rihanna shout out and shout to the raiders literally they probably thought oh shit this team is about to get blown up and derrick carr basacia you know will compton yeah of course playoff willie have you seen his social media oh yeah oh the reenactment oh AB. We immediately bet against the Raiders when Playoff Willie wasn't on the roster. Well, that's something to think about because there's another game that happened, and we'll at-tone Diggs, diehard Steelers fan.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Last night, we saw Jackson Mahomes at the game. Yeah. We saw Patrick Mahomes' wife. Brittany. Mrs. Mahomes at the game as well. And it was hard not to immediately see that the Steelers were plus ten and a half at a time and live bet the shit out of the Steelers because if Jackson's, you know, doing his whole thing and they're kissing and dapping with Patrick and he's distracted and everything like that's going on,
Starting point is 00:10:22 it has normally been a tell that they're going to not play well. Well, that got disbanded. Yeah, put to bed. Completely. The Chiefs is the Chiefs. The Chiefs were the Chiefs. The Chiefs look really fucking good. They're so good.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Big guys are scoring touchdowns that we don't know. Shout out to... I like a lady with the spaghetti. I like that that That was good. Yeah, pretty good for the bop of the boob. Come on. They fucking slaughtered the Steelers last night. Yeah. I mean, earlier, I guess TJ Watt makes a play.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Why? Why? Scores a touchdown. We actually said, hey, how do the Steelers win this game? Well, TJ is going to have to get a couple strip sacks early, score a touchdown or something like that. He didn't get a strip sack, but a fumble happened. He gets the ball. He slides in the end zone.
Starting point is 00:11:28 Holy shit, are the Steelers going to do this? They got Mike Tomlin. They got Ben Roethlisberger's scheme, and he's been there, done that. He is drawing up plays in the middle of the game. He is the only quarterback that will go over to two wide receivers over here and also look confused. Oh, I figured out, yeah, you two do this. Then he goes into a huddle with the other eight guys. And then he calls a play.
Starting point is 00:11:51 He's just old school football player. Okay, maybe they got Ben. They got Tomlin. They got TJ Watt. They got Minka still flying around. Joe Hayden's there. Okay, maybe the Steelers are able to do it. And then all of a sudden you see fucking full dance routines in the backfield.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Then you see Travis Kelsey throwing goddamn touchdowns. And all of a sudden it see uh fucking full dance routines in the backfield then you see travis kelsey throwing goddamn touchdowns and all of a sudden it's oh buzzsaw city here we go keep it moving the chiefs is the chiefs but as a steelers fan ben's last game congrats ben thank you thank you seven all right thank you ben thank you seven threw a touchdown down there to his left and i actually saw him in his head go that was the last touchdown i'm ever gonna throw that was pretty cool moment to kind of watch that. At Tone Diggs, your thoughts on the bubba-da-boo-ba-dee for the Pittsburgh Steelers going forward, and
Starting point is 00:12:31 how's the gobble goal, you know? I wasn't going to do this, but I have to now. First and foremost, last night was the Colts' fault, okay? Go on. Steelers should never have been in that position. Okay. That was the Colts' fault last night. And, you know what?
Starting point is 00:12:51 Valid effort on the boys last night to be in a tie game with five minutes left in the second quarter. No one thought that was going to happen. They covered 14 by half. Once again, the Chiefs. Wow. Wow. It might have been a tie ball game. Yeah, it was. I mean, the Chiefs just whoop, whoop, whoop.
Starting point is 00:13:03 How you doing? Just everything we talked about the chiefs for the last like three years and we'd lose so much money because they would never cover they would never do it it would always be this grand division of what the chiefs are that we would have to bet upon because when you're trying to predict a game you think to yourself well the chiefs could just fucking turn this thing on too if they really wanted to and then week in week out we'd end up here on overreaction monday we got a chiefs fucking took our money again they won but they didn't really do what they had to do patrick mahomes is still top five quarterback in the nfl tyreek hill travis
Starting point is 00:13:34 kelsey they still have absolute superstars but all year is being chatted about these guys ain't performing to their potential and that's because the illusion of what the chiefs are is different than what actually happens week in and week out week in and week out they make big plays in big moments when other teams don't do it that's why they can continue to win and continue to move on but they never really do those big plays in big moments all four quarters it just like comes in spurts it really got turned on yeah I mean it really got turned on and mean it really got turned on and I don't know who they got next
Starting point is 00:14:07 but it feels like a fire hose has been opened up who do they have because it's Bengals Titans so it's Bills and Chiefs yeah Bills are going to blow my alright let's get to that game then the Bills are fucking wagging Josh Allen is an absolute
Starting point is 00:14:23 caboose of a man. He's impossible to stop. He is everything that you would hope that Carson Wentz could become. Sure. And if you go back two years, two years, Josh Allen stunk. He was good. Stunk.
Starting point is 00:14:38 Carson Wentz still had to throw. Carson Wentz, MVP player. How you doing? Keep it moving. Both massive dudes. Both move and extend plays. Both throw footballs, I guess, to people. Vastly different styles, though. player how you doing keep it moving both massive dudes both move and extend plays both throw footballs i guess to people vastly different styles though this dude is the prototype right oh yeah this is the prototype this is what this is what people are trying to uh find yeah big
Starting point is 00:14:57 seems to be incredibly high football iq yeah wired different very athletic very competitive and doesn't give a damn about it being freezing cold because he's from, I'm sorry, he's not from, but he went to school out in the middle of fucking really cold nowhere. Him flying around, dude. Moving. Full powers. Pulling guards, pulling the
Starting point is 00:15:18 center. Hey, I'm going to be right behind you guys. Let's see if anybody wants to tackle me in negative 10 degrees. I'm 260 pounds. It is awesome to watch them. So I guess Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes will be an amazing game. But how do you stop Josh Allen I think is a question that we have to kind of look at going forward because the Bills just buzz-sawed the Patriots. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:39 I mean. More so. Just absolutely said, yins are power-raiding now. Hey, Patriots, yins are Adidas. Hey, Patriots, say hello to the man in the mirror, Phil Mickelson. That is what the Bills said to the New England Patriots in that game. They said, you are now no longer a piss. You are now number two of shit.
Starting point is 00:16:04 This is what you are in the AFC East and that is what the Bills said that's what Bills Mafia said who showed up by the way
Starting point is 00:16:10 the Canadians couldn't get in because of all the rules and the rule changes and the protocol and the testing and everything like that but Bills Mafia
Starting point is 00:16:16 was through tables at about 9am getting ready for that what a show what a performance what a team Bills made their way onto the field I don't know if there was numerous or maybe just one Oh, yeah. Getting ready for that. What a show. What a performance. What a team. Bildos made their way onto the field.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I don't know if there was numerous or maybe just one dong out there, but I'm happy nobody got their hands or mouths on that thing that was involved with the NFL because I've heard these sons of bitches not only carry Omicron, but they do carry Delta. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, so the Delta-cron dong that was tossed onto that field could have taken out the entire playoffs. But I did see one ref, he seemed to make a right decision this weekend,
Starting point is 00:16:52 fucking an anomaly. Only one. Kicking the dong as opposed to grabbing the dong. Right. Which is very smart because I don't know if COVID can go through your shoe. But you put that thing in your hands, that thing might bite through, fight through the gloves and your mouth shield.
Starting point is 00:17:06 So I don't know how the Delta Kron Dong Bildo got removed from the field, but I'm happy no players got COVID because of it. Bill's Mafia showed up, though. The Bills showed up. The defense was unbelievable. That pick that Micah made was unbelievable. And if it wasn't
Starting point is 00:17:25 if it wasn't Bill Belichick you know this conversation about what happened to the Patriots there would certainly be louder. Oh yeah. But we said this going into the week
Starting point is 00:17:32 I think I actually said it was my entire take this is going to be a part of a documentary someday. Well we had to lose that game we had to experience it we had to build or whatever the case.
Starting point is 00:17:41 As a diehard Patriot fan that was hard to watch I assume you You expected it? Or as it got worse and worse and worse and they were just fucking hanging, hanging, hanging, hanging on top of you, you just kind of had to sit there and take it, huh? Yeah, that was by far the worst game I've ever seen the Patriots play, especially under Bill Belichick.
Starting point is 00:17:58 I mean, they said that that was – or they didn't say. It was the first perfect game in the Super Bowl era. No punts, no field goals. They only scored touchdowns. There were six to seven on third down. Only had six real third downs. The seventh was the kneel down. So, I mean, it was pathetic.
Starting point is 00:18:14 It was embarrassing. The Bills are very good. But Powerade, Gatorade, let's see if they can, you know, win a Super Bowl first, go to the, you know, conference finals. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. No, no, no. Obviously. We're not saying, hold on, hold on. We're not saying you're comparing the Bills now to what the Patriots were.
Starting point is 00:18:30 No. No, I know. I'm just saying in that AFC East. In the division. In the division, sure. Sure feels like it's a dawn of a new era. In the division, it definitely is. But, I mean, are we going to celebrate division championships?
Starting point is 00:18:44 I mean, who gives a shit? You got to go win the goddamn Super Bowl, division it definitely is but i mean are we gonna celebrate division championships i mean that's who gives a shit you gotta go win the goddamn super bowl or it doesn't really matter what happened but no it's embarrassing uh you like to see mac jones be the only guy who got off the bus for new england so i mean that first drive was good but then when micah hyde made that pick it was like game over oh there was a couple plays while we're watching this there's a couple plays are gonna happen and you're gonna decide and see who's going to win the game when he goes up and steals a home run there. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:10 Let's touch that. Yeah. Pretty good ball by Matt. Not bad. Pretty good ball by Matt. He played well. What a catch, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:18 What a catch by Micah. The defense who had zero pro bowlers because they stink in Buffalo, but they were the number one defense. I did not go to the game, by the way. Thank you, Jordan Porter, for the offer. Okay, sure. But I said somebody else deserves those seats. Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Fitz Magic ended up going, I think. Bingo. Fitz Magic being there is awesome. I love that. He's retired then. This is him announcing his retirement. Oh, he's got to be. I've seen people at 45 different organizations now at this point do stuff that is cool.
Starting point is 00:19:46 I kind of would like to do that a little bit more with my life. And if you hear any of the anonymous alleged stories about Fitzmagic, he likes to live. Oh, yeah. He goes down fast. That's right. So going shirtless in negative 10 degrees or whatever is certainly something that old Fitzmagic would do. But I love that atmosphere.
Starting point is 00:20:05 I love the environment. I love what they did. I love wild card weekend. Let's move to another game. Niners. Cowboys. Here we go. And I feel like we were potentially, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:20:17 I talked to Gumpy, I think, over the weekend. And I talked to Connor. And I didn't know if it was because we live in our own little silo here. You know, our own little silo here, you know, our own little world. Sure. With our blinders on like a horse race. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:20:31 You know, the horses in a horse race have blinders. You know why? Why? Can't get distracted by looking at anything but the redhead. That's right. Keep your blinders on. We have our blinders on here. Sure.
Starting point is 00:20:41 So I didn't know if it was because of that or if it was a real narrative happening everywhere else. We all like the Niners. Oh, yeah. Loves. Everybody. Everybody liked the Niners in our world. And it got to the point where we were actually having conversations where I was like, too many people like the Niners. I mean, these are underdogs traveling into Dallas.
Starting point is 00:21:00 They've had a couple games where they've been healthy. They look good. they've had a couple games where they've been healthy, they look good, but why does everybody in our world, everybody in our world was like, Niners are the team, Niners are the team. Now Ian Rappaport tried to slip in the Eagles maybe to do whatever to Tampa, and the Eagles are staring down a vastly different future. And Nick Sirianni said, hey, listen, we're going to get knocked up.
Starting point is 00:21:22 We're going to get impregnated. That's right. Okay, we're going to have to battle for nine months, maybe three trimesters. If we're lucky enough, a baby will come. And when that baby comes, we get to mold it into whatever it could potentially become. And I think that baby will be changing this offseason with three first-round picks in this upcoming draft. I think that's very safe to say. Also, one thing that unfortunately got brought to light is when you're not playing the Jets, the Giants, and the Washington football team every single week
Starting point is 00:21:49 like we did the last, you know, six or seven weeks down the season and you have to play good teams, sometimes you get exposed. What were you talking about getting knocked up? What was that all about? Well, in life, sometimes you are going to get knocked up, and the more times you get knocked up gives you the opportunity to get back up so you know yeah we got not mean realistically yesterday it was 31 nothing at the end of the third quarter if they will want to they could be a 65 to nothing so i'm glad we at least got a
Starting point is 00:22:17 couple points on the board jaylen's the guy going forward or is he i don't know yes we do have three first round picks so you know and we'll dive into that game in a little bit because that is how we'll going forward. Or is he? I don't know. Yes, he is. We do have three first-round picks. And we'll dive into that game in a little bit because that is how we'll wrap up this first run about Super Wild Card Weekend in the same game. Ballet Holiday. That doesn't sound as joyful today as it did a few days ago. But we'll talk about that game in a little bit. And Coach Sirianni, they did you no favors
Starting point is 00:22:47 by just running that thing back a couple times too. You just had one slip up, knock down, and then knocked up. Then all of a sudden, people were like, Ty. People on the internet are going to be, oh, here we go. Menor and all this other stuff. And then now he's knocked up at one point. Sirianni had that team playing good against teams that weren't that great. They got in there.
Starting point is 00:23:08 There was so much so that Ian Rappaport actually said, look for the Eagles to surprise the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It could happen. And we respect Ian Rappaport. Oh, yeah. Okay, he's an insider. He does what he's got to do. But he was the only person that, when speaking of underdogs maybe winning
Starting point is 00:23:23 or wild cards having their weekend, he was the only one that when speaking of underdogs maybe winning or wild cards having their weekend he was the only one that wasn't immediately like Niners everybody in our world thought the Niners were going to beat the Cowboys and they did how come that was the case is it because the Dallas team that is littered with superstars and everything that you could possibly dream of having as an NFL franchise and program you have down there in Dallas. Obviously they have a home playoff game. The NFC East does stink, but the Dallas seemed to be much better than they had been in the past.
Starting point is 00:23:55 All these years of hype and hype and nationally televised game because Jerry walks into schedule makers and goes, you're going to put the goddamn America's team right there. Fucking eight o'clock, right? That's what I thought. And if you don't, there's some other pencil pusher we can fucking move right into this spot. They are on national TV every single week. They have so many superstars.
Starting point is 00:24:17 You know, names that are in commercials and bright lights and literally chatted upon every single day on any of the main networks. So you think to yourself, big Mike McCarthy, he's been able to win a Super Bowl diner. Big Mike McCarthy comes into the fray. Kellen Moore, Dak Prescott, Zeke, everybody's healthy. How you doing? Keep it moving.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Micah Parsons, not only a rookie defense player, maybe defense player of the year as a whole. They're at home hosting a playoff game. All of Cowboys Nation is there and excited. And upon the game beginning, I think we all were like, yeah, Niners are going to fucking do this. You're right. Niners are going to do this. Niners are going to do this.
Starting point is 00:24:58 Then all of a sudden there was a glimpse of hope from the Dallas Cowboys. They got a little bit hot. Jimmy G had an untimely situation. We're like, oh, no, that's Jimmy G. The overthrow skis are about to get Jimmy G ski, just like it did in the Super Bowl ski when he overthrew Emmanuel Sanders, which led to a conversation for the next three months on whether or not Jimmy G stinks. That three month conversation has now gone on two years because of one overthrow in the Super Bowl. He did it just the other day in Dallas. Oh no, Jimmy G overthrow ski. This is a bad, bad situation for the Jimmy G family,
Starting point is 00:25:28 which there was an abundance of down there in Dallas. I think they actually walked in whenever the doors opened for the star and people were sprinting in like it was Walmart or whatever. I think they actually say, where's the gabagool? Where's the babab doesn't deserve that. Spaghetts. As a fellow Italian Jimmy G, a good gabagool, huh?
Starting point is 00:25:56 Good gabagool on this one. Hey, congrats on the gabagool. But then Dallas came roaring back and we thought Dallas was going to maybe win it. Holy shit. Is Big Mike, Dak, and Jerry about to have the story of the weekend by coming back and stealing victory from the jaws of defeat? Is that what the Dallas Cowboys are about to do?
Starting point is 00:26:14 And then we saw Ref Debo Dak spot the ball in two different spots. Spike, kill. Ref, game's over. That's it. Sorry about it. Play football better next time jog off the field shit get thrown at the ref lawrence actually uses his helmet to bat one of the bottles that was being thrown at the refs at the same exact tunnel that the cowboys exit through what a colossal
Starting point is 00:26:40 collapse there at the end an embarrassing end to a season that was hyped up to be much different than the ones in the past that were hyped up to be great. This was supposed to be a run. And now it's a laughingstock basically all offseason. There's people saying Big Mike needs to be fired. Dan Orlovsky. Oh, yeah, this morning. Dan Orlovsky says, how does that play even happen?
Starting point is 00:27:00 You've got to get a new coach. Now, we don't think Big – he wasn't the only one. There's everybody calling for Big Mike's job. Everybody's calling for Big Mike's job right now. But all season, Big Mike wasn't the one getting credit for the offense being good, right? It was Kellen Moore. That's right. So Kellen Moore's calling all these plays all season.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Then it gets to the final play call of the final game of the season, in which it ends up horribly. And all of a sudden, Big mike needs to get the fuck out of there now i don't know big mike other than the fact he's from pittsburgh so i probably know a lot of his tendencies in life i've never met him personally but big mike and them have been terrible at time management all goddamn year yep so for it to end this way, it's kind of a thought of, oh, maybe this is something they should have been working on
Starting point is 00:27:48 or have to work on going into the future. But I don't think Jerry's going to be firing Big Mike. I don't think that's going to happen. But there is definitely going to be an entirely new operation about time management,
Starting point is 00:27:59 I would assume. No, I don't think he's going to be fired. I mean, he kept Jason Garrett for all those years. Well, it's because Jason Garrett was part of the family. I think Jason Garrett is my son. You know, I didn't think he's going to be fired. I mean, he kept Jason Garrett for all those years. Well, it's because Jason Garrett was part of the family. I think Jason Garrett is my son. I didn't have a child with that particular shade of red hair, but you get it.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I believe the last play was kind of an accumulation of things. There was the fake punt, great call, but then you keep your punt team out there. Strike, by the way. And you get the delay game off that. Your guys were jumping off the side all day. Okay, hold on. Let's talk about that fake punt. Get the delay game off that.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Your guys were jumping off the side all day. Okay, okay, okay, hold on. Let's talk about that fake punt. So I pitched this idea to Tom McMahon, and I think it might have got to Chuck. I might have pitched it to Chuck. I'm not sure. We run a fake punt, okay, successful. I'd like to run hurry up because after a punt,
Starting point is 00:28:40 basically there's always going to be a transition of people, special teamers off, defense on. If we catch them in the middle of a sub, let's just snap it and we'll just throw a deep ball to one of the gunners that is lined up at wide receiver. You either have too many men, or if it doesn't happen, guess what? Just take a delay game. Now we have first and 15, but we were supposed to punt the ball to the other team anyways. I don't know exactly what they were planning on doing. Se seemed to be a little bit of a clusterfuck out there but i enjoyed the
Starting point is 00:29:09 thought process of like yeah we should run a hurry up here and if you just so happen to keep one of your good guys at gunner somehow you maybe even have a free shot at a one-on-one on a corner which isn't necessarily your starting corner that might be your fifth or sixth corner who's just very good at jamming people up against one of your studs. So they were getting a lot of heat on the internet by people, why would you do that? Why would you do that?
Starting point is 00:29:31 It's like, well, this is next level football, okay? And you are, you know, you're probably a fan of the high school game or the college game, but next level IQ here, whenever you're playing fucking chess, you got to account for what the next move could be. If you get a fake and there's, you know chaos now for instance that fake happens they run hurry up the ref grabs k
Starting point is 00:29:52 ball throws k ball out brings in regular ball right move by the way by the ref then they sit over it a little bit almost to give like is everybody okay thing they nobody subbed for dallas so there's no reason to sit over the ball at all. I think that potentially led to a little bit of Sam Fran going, ah, what's going on? Okay, we've got to figure it out. Everybody stay on the fucking field. Great coaching on all sides, I think.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Execution didn't work out as well. It looked a little bit ugly, but you gain another first down, so who gives a fuck? Back to your point. Correct. Agree. But they did get the delay game there yeah they had numerous offsides false starts the they had some how many penalties
Starting point is 00:30:31 seven 14 14 tied for it might have been seven pre-snap at one point or something like that but then they had like the blatant holding on the defensive line in the the unfortunate hands of face that stuff happens but it was like all game long. And they obviously, the Niners were trying to give them the game. They dominated the first. Like the Niners were dominating the game, and then they made some mistakes on their own. Yeah, it's just interesting how, you know, those moments, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:58 what do they say? It doesn't show up until it shows up. You know, it doesn't get you until it gets you. It's one of those moments where they've been fucking up time management all season yes you know all season they've been fucking up situations whether they're calling timeouts when they shouldn't running out of bounds when they shouldn't staying about whatever the case there's been situations throughout the season that if you look back like blues clues there would be a litany of things that would say how would they fuck up the last play with the clock? It's like, well, just go back and look. It's been there. That has
Starting point is 00:31:25 to be addressed. But also, Dak slides five yards shorter, probably fine. Probably fine, right? Probably get the playoff. Well, Mike McCarthy said afterwards, he said, would you rather have a Hail Mary or five goes from a 25? So, I mean, I guess that's right. The closer you are,
Starting point is 00:31:42 your stats, I mean, hashtag snap. Well, that's like the would you rather have three or seven. I'd rather have Hail Mary than no play at all. Well, yeah, and then we can dive into it even further. And Dan Orlovsky said that there's a 9-1-1 play that they should have called in whenever they realized there wasn't going to be enough time to snap it and to spike it. I don't think they even got the snap off in time.
Starting point is 00:32:03 There would have been massive penalties because there was people lined up off sides. If they were to review that, let's say they did call 911 is how Dan called it. I've never been in those meetings for like the oh shit moments on offense. So I don't know what
Starting point is 00:32:19 the 911 call or whatever. He said it's pretty basic in every room, which I would assume is accurate that that you would have something i think even if they have success if they snap that thing after the ref sets it twice and swim moves back and is the farthest away ref the the ref that is the farthest away and i understand they all have their own jobs and positions and uh you know there's an entire process that has to happen with them but that ref runs in from the farthest away. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I mean, the head ref's closer, the side ref's closer, this ref down here is closer, but there is a process, you know, ump or whatever has to set the ball, do the whole thing. But why is he so far over there? Who knows? He's got to ref and do his job as well before worrying about them calling a play that makes, you know makes little to no sense. I assume while Dak is running, this ref is like, come on, Dak, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:33:10 Slow down. Dak, if you're going to go down, you better go down now. And then as soon as he goes down, oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit, oh, shit. Move, Dak. Let me jump through an offensive line here. Then I got to look at where the ball is supposed to be spotted. And if you watch this thing back, those two refs on the side have no fucking idea where the ball is supposed to be spotted. So wherever the ball gets spotted, they just kind of slide to, okay, that's good for us.
Starting point is 00:33:31 We'll go there. I don't even think they get that off. Now, if that play goes and it works and he throws a touchdown to somebody somehow, that would go to review. They have four or five people off sides because a lot of people are lined up on the first one. Just a massive clusterfuck that makes you ask how is that how your season ends and jerry jones who is you know not scared of a soundbite will probably be talking about this for the next three months yeah like you mentioned it's just a microcosm of what they've kind of done all season when they haven't been successful like we've been saying time and time again like hey eventually this is going to bite him in the ass like and you
Starting point is 00:34:04 look back like mccarthy has a history doing that when he was with the Packers. And just every once in a while, you know, Rogers or whoever he had would be able to kind of mask those time management issues. And Dak didn't play great yesterday either. But I mean, you know, like eventually that was going to bite him in the ass. And unfortunately, it was in the most important time of the season. was going to bite him in the ass and unfortunately is in the most important time of the season. I'm now
Starting point is 00:34:26 scared that I have to address something that happened. All right. So as we and Fandel had our negotiations that everybody heard about
Starting point is 00:34:44 towards the end, there's a lot of talk between me and the risk and trading department who we've actually gotten a chance to meet and the head odds maker john sheeran who joins hammer don like weekly at this point you know there was an entire situation about you know hey i'd like to get to know these people a little bit more like, Hey, who are we working with? Who are we working, you know, against who are we battling against? And by the way, we can be friends. Sure. We can be friends. And I've always been a person business wise that says like, Hey, if we get along, there's probably a much better chance of us having a better relationship than not. And I know that some people's negotiations are like, I'm coming in to burn it down. I'm coming in. You're, you're not fucking us over. We're fucking you over that whole thing. That's not how
Starting point is 00:35:34 I enjoy doing things. I would much rather be like, Hey, whenever I asked for like, blah, blah, blah, in this, like, this is why I'm saying it. So when this does happen, you know, I want you guys to hear it directly from me. So it was a nice thing through the negotiation to kind of get to know these people that we're battling against and those who are setting the lines and why they're setting the lines and how they're doing it and the boosts that they're putting up that are winning more often than not in our boosts and what works, what doesn't. It was a really cool little experience and an exploration almost into the relationship that was Vandal being our exclusive sports book
Starting point is 00:36:09 before signing this new four-year, three-year deal. So I felt like we were in a better position to go ask stuff because now they understand us a little bit more. So now I know what, hey, what hey they're like listen our same game parlay is a weapon of ours all right our same game parlay the tech now you can put two same game parlays together we're the first to market with it like the i don't want to say the nerds at fandle but the nerds at fandle that are back like they're very very very very proud oh yeah
Starting point is 00:36:41 of the same game parlay the execution of of it, everything like that. And I had like big respect for it because we enjoyed the hell out of it. Now, we were doing the risk-free Thursday night football same game parlays because of how good it was, the experience that it was. But it became a heartbreaker. Oh, yeah. It became a heartbreaker.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Because these same game parlays, as you're piecing them together, you start thinking to yourself, oh, that's possible. That's possible. That's possible. And oh, my God, we need one more maybe just to cook this thing up a little bit. There was rules and guidelines.
Starting point is 00:37:14 If we're going to promote this to everybody on our app, it needs to be at least plus 400, and it needs to go, whatever the case is. We can't have the big promotion for these same game parlays that we think, you know, a lot of people need at like plus 250. We just can't. They have to be more than plus 400. So figuring out what to make it a plus 400 thing so that fans don't want to promote it. And then, by the way, also it was risk-free on Thursday nights, you know, and that experience ended because of how heartbreaking it was. How do we get back into it? Okay, well, I'm going to need a little bit of money back from people, you know?
Starting point is 00:37:48 So like, all right, cool. We can give a bonus of 50% back up to $100 or whatever. But we can't do it for everybody. It has to be tiered systems. I'm like, cool. When's this going to happen? They're like, well, how about whenever? When would you like it to happen?
Starting point is 00:38:02 I'm like, wildcard weekend sounds like the best time to do this. The fan goes like, you're right. So then we get into this whole same game parlay holiday. An entire agreement was made. A lot of conversations were had about how we do this, you know, because they have to run their business. We have to run our business. Our businesses are not the same. But how can we meet in the middle to create something awesome same game parlay holiday was born perfect
Starting point is 00:38:28 myself evan fox aj hawking dirty put our minds together and we felt very very good about the super bowl champion tampa bay buccaneers it was playoff time they're about to flip this switch. How you doing? Keep it moving. E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles fly. Eagles fly. The fuck out of Tampa with an L. That is what we thought. That was our entire conversation. No offense to Sirianni. No offense to the Eagles.
Starting point is 00:38:57 But this is levels to this shit and you're playing against Tom Brady at home in the playoffs with a bunch of OGs in this game matters. So how do we cook up a same-game parlay that we can be an additive to the same-game parlay holiday that we can really fucking take them for it? Well, we think Tampa's going to win by at least three. So we'll do alternate spread, minus two and a half.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Check how you're doing. Keep it moving. It was a lock before the game even started. Yep. Well, Rob Gronkowski, half. Check. How you doing? Keep it moving. It was a lock before the game even started. Yep. Well, Rob Gronkowski touchdown. Check. That's a lock
Starting point is 00:39:30 before the game even starts even though everybody said he hadn't scored since like week 13 or week 14. It's the playoffs. Antonio Brown, Tom just had that entire thing.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Gronk is Tom's guy. Last week, he goes back on the field to throw him money or throw him a ball to get him his milli. A milli dollars. a milli dollars. Now, Uncle Sam also got about $480,000 there,
Starting point is 00:39:49 but whatever the case, Gronk catches that. Tom Brady was going to find Gronk in the end zone of this game. Check. That's a lock. Wide open, by the way. Play action. Oh, yeah. Boom.
Starting point is 00:40:00 Easiest touch on his career. Who else? Mike Evans. You know, Antonio Brown does his entire thing. He leaves. Kenna leaves us. Chris Godwin gets hurt. That guy was a glue guy.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Mike Evans has been a G here. Mike Evans has been with us since the beginning. Mike Evans took a pay cut to pay other people. Mike Evans is an anomaly. Mike Evans is a freak. Mike Evans is going to score a goddamn touchdown. Check! That was a lock before the game even started. Boom!
Starting point is 00:40:30 The issue with all those things being locked before the game even started is that the odds were not that great. Had to get them above plus 400 at least, and they had to stay above plus 400 no matter how many people bet. So then we started thinking back to last postseason. And last week, there's this little
Starting point is 00:40:46 tiny flash lightning white guy named scoot scoot scotty miller scotty miller is almost a duplicate of every small white that tom brady had thrown the ball to over the years and years and years in cold ass foxborough he just happens to be faster so i'm not saying that his football iq is the same as julian or hammond doler or wesses or anything but said white prototype and tom brady's offense has been there for a long time he was hurt he came back got the ball now it's the playoffs this dude is going to get a ball eight and a half yards was the receiving yards okay and half yards scotty miller's so fucking fast eight and a half he gets one it's. Okay. Eight and a half yards. Scotty Miller's so fucking fast. Eight and a half. He gets one.
Starting point is 00:41:25 It's going to be 15, 13, 17. It's probably only going to be one or two balls. It's going to have to happen, whatever the case. First quarter, he gets a ball. Holy shit. Is he a part of the actual strategy tonight? He gets tackled at eight yards, says the ref. If you watch that playback, I think it's very evident
Starting point is 00:41:45 he got fucking nine yards. But it didn't matter at the time because it was first quarter and they were just marching right down the field. There's the first down. There's him laying down. There's multiple photos
Starting point is 00:41:56 that show his back flat at nine yards where the ball is. That would have been a winning same game parlay holiday before the fourth quarter even began if this ref spots this at nine yards. Now, I don't particularly like this one white up here on the sideline pointing four yards back. Okay, that guy who's pointing, I don't know if he says this guy's hurt or if he's saying this is where the ball, where he was down at or he stepped out of bounds at. They end up spotting him at eight yards, which makes no sense.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Should have been nine, but whatever. That's the first quarter. Or second quarter. I'm sorry, early in the second quarter. He's going to get the ball again. Yeah. And Tampa Bay Buccaneers just start murder-boating Eagles.
Starting point is 00:42:36 Kill them. Dog walk. Oh, yeah. Hit! Hit! Hit! Hit! Sirianni talks about
Starting point is 00:42:44 that dog mentality We've got a bunch of dogs Well they were all on leashes yesterday And Tampa Bay Buccaneers were just doing this This is what the Buccaneers were doing And those dogs were doing a lot of things Throwing the ball to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Those dogs were not exactly acting right
Starting point is 00:42:58 But they were somehow maintaining At least a close enough distance Where Tom Brady continued to go on the field Because I thought at the end with the fourth quarter starting, there's going to be a Blaine Gabbert sighting. And Blaine Gabbert's going to throw the ball to Scotty Miller. All we need is one more fucking yard. And then tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Numerous possessions happen, and all of a sudden, Scotty's nowhere to be seen except for on the fucking punt team where he's almost breaking his ankle every single time. fucking punt team where he's almost breaking his ankle every single time then the fourth quarter i'm standing less than six inches away from the television i see those arms taped i see little 10 pop his head into the huddle oh my god scotty fucking miller dude and then i see tom hit hit scotty miller in his stomach and he goes Scotty over here Scotty still goes the wrong side he goes no Scotty over here oh my god Scott is getting the ball Scott he's getting the ball yeah I was
Starting point is 00:43:58 about to go ape shit I mean a plus thousand bet okay plus thousand which is massive odds would you like to know the chance of hitting a plus thousand bet please go ahead nine percent okay so we're we're at plus a thousand it was at plus 1100 at its highest plus 800 something at its lowest but it hovered Hovered around plus 1,000. 69,261 bets. Scotty Miller, over here, Tom says. And I go, yeah, come here, Scotty. Fucking end around handoff. Nine yards rushing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Eight yards receiving. There was another play where he ran a quick out and Bernard ran a quick out. And some reason Tom Brady didn't even look Scotty and Gronk's way. He threw it straight to fucking Bernard. So here we stand. At the end of same game parlay holiday. With zero winners. And we lost by a fucking half a yard yet again.
Starting point is 00:44:58 And I'm reminded why we stopped promoting these same game parlays. I was broken last night. I tried to watch that Nickelodeonays. I was broken last night. I tried to watch that Nickelodeon show. I said, shut the fuck up. Couldn't do it. Where's Lex? Where is Lex Lumpkin?
Starting point is 00:45:15 But also, I don't think anything could have brought me any joy at that moment. I took a walk, went down to my basement, put the Oculus on, and fought two people. Same-game parlays are not for the faint of heart. No, not at all. The same game parlay holiday took us on quite a ride. And we appreciate everybody so much for riding alongside of us on the FanDuel Sportsbook app. And we appreciate all
Starting point is 00:45:36 the effort of all the players that we had bet on. And we understand that Scotty Miller doesn't get to decide how many yards he gets receiving. But goddammit, Scotty, keep your feet and pick up 15. We're not even asking this question. One time. Come on.
Starting point is 00:45:50 You did an incredible job picking that same game parlay. The Tom Brady-Neils. Oh, man. That was like a plus 700 or something. Michael Pittman Jr. That was like another plus 600, plus 700. Wide open, gets tripped up. It's heartbreaking.
Starting point is 00:46:06 And I'm being called, you know, a sellout, and I'm doing this for FanDuel. Those are the ones that piss me off. Instagram reported me for a comment on my own post. What? Yeah, because a guy wrote this big, long, grandstanding comment about how, you know, I continue to take money from us. Boot lick FanDuel and steal money from his fans so i in this moment of me walking around the house okay going down to the basement
Starting point is 00:46:33 getting the oculus on and throwing hands and bombs at some sons of bitches in there who had no idea what scotty miller did before i got in that room they had no idea i crow-hopped into the first fight against fucking dumbass joke bang i was so mad but it's set up for everybody to say that we don't care we don't want to win i fucking wanted that that would have been a record that would have been the biggest hit in the history of sports books oh yeah but instead as foy reminded us all in a text last night, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. And if 69,261 bettors are on one side and you win, that's the biggest win in the history of sports betting. And if you lose,
Starting point is 00:47:23 it's the biggest loss in the the history of sports by far it's messed up we gotta get to a break oh i have some news what's that uh fandil's gonna refund everybody that was a part of our same game parlay the 69 261 of them not because it was a bad beat they do not want to set the precedent not because they saw how beat up i was they received some text they sent me some text messages like hey sorry about it dude i'm like you're not sorry yeah okay you are not sorry but because the spirit of the holiday they said well that's nice good people now i don't know if they would have done this if any of the other parlays hit but since none of our parlays hit and we're off by half a yard it's not a bad beat refund they said we. We are not setting the precedent as that.
Starting point is 00:48:05 It is strictly just for the holiday season. That is the same game, parlay, holiday. And I'll tell you what. It doesn't necessarily make me feel better because I still would like to win, but I am pumped that by tomorrow, I believe, or Wednesday, now it's 69,000-some votes, everybody will be getting their money back, and we appreciate everybody's support. Thank you, everybody.
Starting point is 00:48:28 So, Lou, I thought you were a sellout though I thought you were taking the money from the poor giving it to the rich I thought you were a bad guy that guy he doesn't even know it too he just did it just to get it he has no idea that as I read it I was like I wish I knew this motherfucker
Starting point is 00:48:43 I was so mad I was like, oh, I wish I knew this motherfucker. Yeah. I was so mad. I was so, I was so, I did not expect to be that tore up about it. Just like the Colts lose into the fucking Jags. I didn't expect to be that tore up about it. And I was. This one, I couldn't have expected. Now, in the first half, no Gronk, Tud, no Evans, Tud. Nope.
Starting point is 00:49:01 I mean, the Bucs were up. Scotty had eight yards. It did not look great at halftime. But then all of a sudden you see Gronky getting the end zone. And then Evans getting the end zone. It's like, holy shit, we still got a quarter and a half left. Back-to-back possessions that they scored. I was like, okay, we're in the great game now.
Starting point is 00:49:19 Here we go. It's in the stars. Joining us now, first-time guest. Ooh. Uh, host of Good Morning Football, which is Emmy nominated. I assume she has already won an Emmy
Starting point is 00:49:32 or on her way to win numerous Emmys. Also host The People, the television show. She's on Sunday mornings on NFL Network. And this past weekend, is the only human that got every single game predicted correctly on the network. Ladies and gentlemen, Kay Adams.
Starting point is 00:49:47 Yeah! Woo! What an intro. Thanks for having me. Very excited to be here. And yes, 5-for-5, the pressure is on in the NFC West tonight. Who did you pick tonight? I picked the Cardinals, but it was definitely like a manifestation law of attraction choice because the Rams should win. But Stafford picked six. Kyler hopefully plays the best game of his life, and they win.
Starting point is 00:50:13 Okay, so let's talk about it. You work at the NFL. You're one of the faces of the NFL. We talked about that every morning. Good morning, football. Hey, you guys crush it over there. We love it. You guys crush it over there.
Starting point is 00:50:23 We love the show. You've built up quite a universe for yourself over there, gentlemen. Yeah, well, our universe is much less professional and good as the Good Morning Football universe. But we watch every morning. We appreciate the show. We love the show. But we do have a couple questions. So whenever you're one of the faces of the NFL, do you get inside information?
Starting point is 00:50:40 Is that why you won 5-0? How do you seem to know more than everybody else? She's at every stadium. She's at every stadium you're everybody's favorite it seems like where is this information coming from or have you always just been a football whiz i wouldn't say whiz i think it's just osmosis i'm so ingrained in it it's i mean three hours a day pat's a long time to be talking about the same stuff. I think so. Yeah, I think I have, I wouldn't say insiders. You know, I hit up Ian yesterday like nine times. Like, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:51:13 Is Mike McCarthy playing for his job in the second quarter? Send. And he writes back, no, I think he's safe. So, you know, we go back and forth. I have great friends in the league. I sort of go by my gut a lot. I'm a big info girl, not next-gen stats. But basically, I mean, as wild as this wild card weekend was, it was kind of easy to make the picks, let's be honest.
Starting point is 00:51:34 I didn't pick any upsets, so I'm a low-risk person. That's all right to go, Chalk, because the Niners were the upset. They were kind of an underdog there, so that's a great pick. But we all thought they were going to win anyways. The fact that they did was kind of alarming actually going in there. You just said in there you hate stats, Kay? Whoa! Whoa! Kay! You can't
Starting point is 00:51:53 hate stats! No, I love stats because I love fantasy football, but I'm not great at math, to be honest. You can always just use stats to bolster any argument both sides, and I'm definitely good at making an argument based on numbers. Okay. Well, I can respect that because stats do play for every team.
Starting point is 00:52:09 And hindsight seems to always be the champion. Hindsight's got one of these. But let's talk about tonight's game. You said Matthew Stafford not throwing picks. Then you obviously said Kyler playing the best game of his life. You know, Schrags is best friends. You know, Schrags, good friend of yours, co-host of yours, best friends with McVay. They host a show together. What is the feeling you think out of Los Angeles? If they lose, it's going to be a loud off season, isn't it? And I think
Starting point is 00:52:37 if Arizona loses, it'll be another year of like, is this team ever going to really go? What do you think are the big takeaways from tonight's game? Schrags is super interesting because he's also pretty close with Cliff Kingsbury. So it's almost like that scene in The Good Son where the mom's on the cliff holding Elijah Wood and Macaulay Calkins' hand. Which one am I going to save? Because I was very curious about who he was going to pick in this one. And he went Rams. I would say, oh man, McVay's got the number on Cliff Kingsbury, so there's that right away. They've got the firepower.
Starting point is 00:53:08 I think if Stafford has a bad game, the Rams can still win, right? They've got the defensive stars. You can rely on their run game. Cooper Cupp's going to, like, crush it as always, Mr. Triple Crown. With the Cardinal side, it's all on Kyler. Like, it's all on his back. And you have James Conner, who has a heel injury that's lingering, and we think he's going to play.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I think one of the craziest storylines, what is this, overrated takes Monday? Overrated? Oh! She hates stats. Overrated takes? Come on, Jay! Overreaction
Starting point is 00:53:44 Monday, okay? Overreaction Monday, okay. Overreaction Monday is that James Conner doesn't get enough love, and he's one of the best running backs. He gave 18 touchdowns in 15 games. It's absolutely crazy. He's been the only stable force in this entire team. And if he doesn't look good early, like my eyes are going right to James Conner today.
Starting point is 00:54:01 What's he going to look like? And then the old guys, Zach Ertz, A.J. Green. A.J. Green balled out the last time they faced the Rams, so I'm hoping he can do it. I think the Cardinals win because Kyler is going to just put it on his back and make it happen. And I can't wait to see Kyler in the big moment. I mean, he seems like a guy who always rises to the occasion.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Last year they were so inconsistent, and this year they had their wins, then they lose J.J. Watt, who's all the way back, year, they were so inconsistent. And this year, they had their wins, then they lose J.J. Watt, who's all the way back, and he'll probably have, what, four or five sacks tonight. Oh, yeah. Four or five sacks. Yeah, maybe six.
Starting point is 00:54:33 He might catch a touchdown tonight, actually. Yeah, absolutely. He might be playing tight end on 100% sure. Excited for you. You said you're a fantasy person. Is that how you got into the coverage of the NFL? Was fantasy the door? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:52 You guys are on sirius xm uh i launched the sirius xm fantasy sports channel with steve cohen over at sirius xm sports back in 2011 i was living in st louis and i had a little isdn box and a headset and i would be talking to fantasy stats and taking calls at all times of the night. I worked from like midnight to 6 a.m. in that New York office in Manhattan. So that's how I got my start. Yeah, fantasy sports. Always liked it. Always played it. Competitive as hell. And it kind of worked out.
Starting point is 00:55:15 It's cool. Did you go to school for journalism broadcasting? Or did you kind of just fall into a passion of fantasy football and being smart? Yeah, I grew up in Chicago. And then I went to the University of Missouri where i started off in the journalism school and quickly was like this isn't for me so uh i ended up switching to communications but always knew i wanted to do something in media sports sort of pulled me along which is which is really great and then the nfl network hears you at 5 30 a.m hammering it out on Sirius XM fantasy and says we need you to host good
Starting point is 00:55:45 morning football that's going to be on every single morning in every NFL building and we're going to expect happiness upbeat and creative content every single day every single day I came here by way of NBC sports but that's exactly how it happened Pat there was a producer over at NBC that produced shows like with Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk. When NBC Sports, remember when it launched as this big thing, it's going to be its own channel. And he listened to the radio show and said, yeah, we should definitely have you come up here. And I would do like news reports about hockey, which I never, I mean, I don't like hockey. I don't subscribe to hockey at all.
Starting point is 00:56:20 And I would just do, you know, you just have to say yes. And then I'd go and I'd knock on every door of Roto World and say, hire me. Let me do something for you well overrated take monday and hockey stinks on stats i don't have time i don't remember my heart for it oh i understand me neither way to the playoffs yeah way to the playoffs the playoffs are playoffs are absolutely great now you guys are in the middle of like uh finding a replacement for nate burleson who's working on Nickelodeon, CBS, and doing real-life news. The day he left Good Morning Football, I think the next morning he actually had to say, Hi, I'm Nate Burleson, and the terrorists in Afghanistan are playing bumper cars with American tanks. I will send you now to Jack in the field in Baghdad.
Starting point is 00:57:02 That was actually what he was doing. It was like, God damn, that was quite a change overnight for him. Now you guys are searching for the full-time replacement or is it always going to be on the move? It's a good question. Nate is Debo Samuel. He can do it all. I don't know if you got to hear him on the Nickelodeon broadcast yesterday,
Starting point is 00:57:21 but my nieces, my nephews were all, you know, texting me and my brother and sister. He's just so good at so many things. So it doesn't surprise me at all that he's able to make that switch. He's the best co-host in the world and I miss him every day. Right now, we're rotating. I think it happened so quickly and so fast before the season that they're looking. I mean, my contract is up in May, so I don't know how, you know, we have to work that out and figure it out. Yeah, so the future, it's all super exciting. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Wow. That's a little bit of a leverage play right there, Kay. Hey, congrats to you. It's exciting. I don't know. None of us know what the future is. No. Hey, this is a big deal. Congrats to you, Kay. Yeah. I don't know. None of us know the future. No. Hey, this is a big deal.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Congrats to you. Yeah. Let's go, dude. Free agency is a big deal. Free agency is a big deal, especially whenever you're on the show that every football person watches basically every single morning and is up for Emmys and awards. It must get exhausting just being so great at your job. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:23 Free agency coming. You're going to get broken off. Carpe diem, Kay! Let's go! I've actually never said that thing has breaking news right here. It's all mine. No, I don't know. We'll figure it out. I obviously love my job. It is the
Starting point is 00:58:38 coolest thing to get to talk about football for three hours, as you know, so it's a lot of fun. Hey, I have a bone to pick with you. Can I do that right now? I'm in. Your show, dude. Do whatever you got to do. You've ruined interviewing Aaron Rodgers. Do you know that? See, I feel on the other side. Oh, do you? Yeah, I feel like it's been good. I feel like it's been good as interviewing because I don't really interview. I just sit there and have a conversation, you know? Correct. So then I'm told you get to sit down with Aaron Rodgers for, you know, seven to ten minutes,
Starting point is 00:59:06 and I go, oh, okay, great. This happened last week, and I sit down, and I'm like, what questions do I want to ask him? And it's impossible to even come up with anything to ask him because he just comes on your show, and he has these hour sessions of just stream of consciousness, and there's nothing. There is literally nothing that he has not gone over with you.
Starting point is 00:59:21 and there's nothing there is literally nothing that he has not gone over with you and so you've ruined the experience of networks interviewing Aaron congratulations okay thank you now I'm winning awards you know
Starting point is 00:59:38 I would like to thank all the boys here you guys do a great job thank you Pat I'd like to thank AJ whose whose tech doesn't work today. Son of a bitch couldn't figure out a microphone. That's tough for him. And obviously we'd like to thank Aaron for taking Tuesday's 50, 55 minutes,
Starting point is 00:59:56 45 minutes, after years and years of not talking to anybody about anything because everybody just buried him publicly, basically, coming on the show and burying soul uh we appreciate that no k k your angle conversation with him much different than ours you still bring out gems and greatness just like on good morning football you guys get great stuff out of basically every single guest that comes on the show aaron andrews came after us a little bit ago too when aaron came on she goes, I know you talk to Aaron every day or whatever. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are we really throwing a little bit of a...
Starting point is 01:00:28 No, I love it. Nah, nah. I love it, but you've ruined it. You have three questions for Aaron, and you're like, well, Pat asked. I already know the answers to the questions. He's never been an open book, but you really let us get to know his character, who he is as a human, his kindness, his vulnerability. Like, it's transcendental.
Starting point is 01:00:49 Like, I'm not, seriously, it's awesome. But it's very difficult to come up with new material. Well, you're smart. You are incredibly talented and smart enough. You figure it out and do great with that whole thing, even though we do get 45 minutes of his brain kind of spilling out. So let's pivot to that, though, because you guys get to talk to a lot of really cool people, and you host people, which is out in the celebrity world, right? Yes.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Anybody you talk to that you were just blown away by? Like anybody come right to your mind where you really know that, whether it's the NFL or in the people you talk to, like, oh, that feels like a real human, as opposed to maybe asshole that I thought it could have potentially won. Yeah, I mean, Aaron Rodgers, for sure. That interview will be on Sunday on NFL Network. Hey, we can't wait to watch. Hey, that's going to be awesome. We'll watch that going into Tuesday. If there's anything left. Perfect. The reason I took the people job, because I'm not that obsessed
Starting point is 01:01:39 with the celebrity world, Pat, but on Good Morning Football, when we interview, we each, you know, you ask a question and you each ask your question and then it's over. So you know what it's like to have rapport and do what you do every day. So I wanted to hone in on my interview skills because I really don't get that opportunity to. So I get to do it every day. I would say, you know, George Clooney, Alicia Keys is probably one of the realest person, people that I've ever met. But you interview everyone. Celebrities are so different because they're so much more open. And anyone in music, actors less than musicians, but any musical act, any artist is a lot more fun to talk to.
Starting point is 01:02:17 And they're all open and vulnerable. And they're pushing something. They know the game. I feel like in the NFL, you go through that media training, and it's a different challenge. So it's a little bit refreshing to go to the celebrity side. And they're like, I'll tell you about what I did last night. And you're like, oh, OK. You're a free agent in May.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Are you going into the are you going into the celebrity world? Are you going to stay in sports? Is the NFL and. Oh, yeah. I want I mean, I want the big I want the big jobs. I want the I want to go right to the top of the NFL. Are you kidding? What do we want?
Starting point is 01:02:44 You want to like you want like kickoff show host or you like commentate i want i would love a you know you've built such a plan you've changed the game so there's that option right like you you you went and did it yourself oh let's go okay you're doing your own thing it's no it's no secret the goal is to have the the pedigree to have the the big boy seat at the table. Sure, absolutely. On those big platforms, those meaningful games. I love visiting stadiums. I love it. I'm energized by it, juiced every time I go. I think I get to go to Tampa this weekend, so I'm excited. But I just like being part of the game day experience as much as I love. And I also love being, obviously, being on in the morning. We get to set the tone for the day set the agenda the fact that you even turn us on and try to see what we're
Starting point is 01:03:28 saying we try to guess what's going to be the topic of the day we're the first ones that get a crack at it it's a big deal so you want to be what is that Sunday night football who was on the field commissioner maybe maybe commissioner Commissioner of the NFL. What is the dream job? Yeah, we're trying to figure it out because you want to have one of the mainstays. Monday Night Football is live at whatever stadium it is, right? Sunday Night Football is
Starting point is 01:03:55 live at one of those. You're talking about one of those. There's a lot of exciting stuff going on. Look at what's going on with sports books and how's that going to evolve. It's a really energizing time right now. That's all I'll say. And Amazon is getting in. Amazon's getting in the game.
Starting point is 01:04:12 I work with Chris Long and Andrew Hawkins at Amazon. We just had our last show yesterday and I was super sad about it. It was called NFL Next. A little half hour. I like the idea of the streaming, the looser vibe. I know that's something that you really wanted to do, and you didn't find it, and you did your own thing.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Yeah. Well, hey, we're pulling for it. I think you'll be able to crush whatever. Go ahead, Ty. Kay, you've basically become the de facto queen of Cincinnati throughout this season. When you look at the Bills and the Chiefs and how explosive they've looked over the last few weeks,
Starting point is 01:04:41 do you think the Bengals have gone from just like an exciting team that's really fun to watch to someone who could really actually like push those two teams in the AFC and potentially get to the Super Bowl? Yeah. Today on the show, the guys were saying that the AFC Super Bowl is, is, you know,
Starting point is 01:04:55 between the Bills and the Chiefs. And if I'm a Titans fan and I'm a Bengals fan, I'm like, whatever. What else? We can do this either. But I mean, everyone sleeps on the Titans.
Starting point is 01:05:04 They're the least talked about team in the NFL for some reason. That's your fault. Hey, that's the NFL's fault. Dan Zeus. You think? Dan Zeus. Dan Han Zeus. The representative.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Dan. Yeah. I'll tell him. I'll give him hell next time he's on our show later this week. Yeah, but I mean, Derek Henry coming back. They're going to play for Vrabel. I'm going to say the Bengal. It's Joe Burrow. are coming back they're going to play for ray ball i'm going to say the bangle it's joe burrow
Starting point is 01:05:25 like i put him right up there with alan and mahomes when it comes to like i don't shake i'm not gonna flinch he doesn't care he doesn't he is completely unrattleable if that's a word and i love that about him i think that sort of trickles down to the whole offense my big war i think they've got the offensive firepower, sure, to take on those teams. What's happened to their D-line is a drag beyond drags. Like to deal with Derrick Henry, Trey Hendrickson, back with the Saints, I was like, hey, Sean Payton and company,
Starting point is 01:05:56 you guys sure you don't want to give this guy some money and let him stay here? And they didn't. They let him go to the Bengals. And he had like a 10-game sack streak. He's incredible, an absolute game breaker and if he's hurt we had Mike Daniels leave the game he don't I don't think he's coming back um Ogbujabi like it's just that D line up against Henry could not be a worse situation so hopefully they can heal up through the week because that's my big worry how do you balance having inside
Starting point is 01:06:20 information and then also having to be live for three hours every single morning like you just said hey Sean Payton don't you think you guys want trey hendrickson and we know that you have a pretty good source at the saints i think there has been some yeah sometimes where you know okay adams is saying this about the saints so that means hey probably gospel you know you have to like kind of pick and choose and now with you know how much your show has dominated the nfl i assume you have a lot of friends in a lot of buildings how do you pick and choose and now with you know how much your show has dominated the nfl i assume you have a lot of friends in a lot of buildings how do you pick and choose and how do you figure that out you just kind of gotta compartmentalize that or have you ever gotten to a point where
Starting point is 01:06:51 you know you've said something you weren't supposed to say it's kind of a game i guess i'm not an insider though so i don't want to put that out there like i i know you know when i say hey i just say it like through the show i'll get on the air and I'll say it. I'm not like calling Mickey Loomis. Hey, that'd be sweet if you did, though. Hey, Mickey. I'm like, Gail Benson, we don't talk about that. That's not what happens. I guess I could.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I don't know. I don't like. I just enjoy the game. So I call it like I see it. I like to give. My thing that I always go for the underdog. It's why I like I see it. I like to give, I always, my thing that, I always go for the underdog. It's why I like the Bengals.
Starting point is 01:07:28 It's why I like the Titans right now because no one's talking about them. I always like the teams that people just don't want to give love. Like Mike Evans is someone I love. Look what he did yesterday. He crushed it. What does he do?
Starting point is 01:07:40 He has 1,000-yard seasons. He's the most consistent wide receiver in the game, and we just don't even talk about him. So those are the kind of players and people, I think, that I gravitate towards. And he also took a less salary to sign other people. You know, he hit for our same-game parlay. Scotty Miller couldn't catch another fucking ball, dude. Just one more, Kay.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Just one more. That would have been amazing for all the fantasy teams everywhere that had Spotted. Fantasy's over? Fantasy's completely over now. No, you can still play. I mean, you can play over on Sandwell. Absolutely. You can do anything you want to do.
Starting point is 01:08:11 Hey! Hey! Pre-agent May. Pre-agent May. Go ahead, Carl. Yeah, Kay, you're from Chicago. Do you lean to the Bears at all, or do you think they'll probably fucking stink forever?
Starting point is 01:08:23 Come on! It's so hard. People are bothering me about this on Twitter today. I will always love the Bears but it's like being in a relationship. You need some space and you just say, grow up. Get your stuff together and maybe we'll
Starting point is 01:08:40 talk and we'll get back together in the future. At a certain point, you need to just figure it out. I'm excited for their future and I think them getting rid of Pace and walking away from Nagy is great. But now you're going to have a new guy go in there, and then it's Justin Fields, wasn't drafted by that guy, and wasn't coached by that coach or chosen. So what's the future?
Starting point is 01:08:57 I will say I'm from there, and you'd think that they'd want to include me more. They'd kick you off. But I've never even been invited to a game well she was lighting the torch at the Bengals game yeah just a couple days ago she's banging the drum in Kansas City What's Virginia doing? Nagy says keep her out of the building Yeah they don't It's so interesting It's my hometown
Starting point is 01:09:30 And they You know if you need help or support Just ask And they just They just don't It's interesting That's hilarious I'm tired of wasting my energy on you
Starting point is 01:09:37 Not being able to figure out What the fuck you're supposed to do with your life So Everybody else is inviting me to do stuff They seem to be a lot more fun and successful I will always care for you But I gotta move on as well for the good of me that's a lot that's a lot of fans by the way i think especially in this time go ahead tone okay not so much a question more of a statement when when the boys head outside and play around on the street i just
Starting point is 01:09:57 don't think that they involve you enough and i think that you should bring up oh the wall streeters yeah yeah yeah uh i i've never asked to go i've been asked to go I've been asked to go not for that segment that's definitely a them production I don't see the point in the cold in the middle of Manhattan of going downstairs and playing in traffic I like to make my
Starting point is 01:10:17 coffee I like to maybe make a smoothie during that time I like to maybe eat a cookie and they go down there and I get some it's nice and quiet when they leave Moments are very enjoyable. Oh those end in the morning. Thank you for caring about me like that. That's I really appreciate that Tom was just thinking to himself, you know free agency coming up in May maybe a different side here, you know Maybe get her out in the streets. If she was from Pittsburgh, that organization
Starting point is 01:10:45 would have invited her to a game. Tone's trying to bring you over to the Steelers fan base. They are dead. They got killed. They got absolutely killed. Who wins the Super Bowl here, Kay? Who do you think? In August, I picked Packers and Browns. Yikes.
Starting point is 01:11:01 I would say Packers Chiefs, I believe. Mahomes looked like 2019 playoff Mahomes. So I'll go Packers Chiefs, Packers. Packers are just getting healthy at the right time. So I hope they win. Niners, tough draw for them, of course. Yeah, well, we'll go ahead and put that down in the record book.
Starting point is 01:11:20 So you predicted the Packers to win the Super Bowl. She's a free agent in May. Hey, everybody get the Brinch Trucks at for the Emmy-nominated dominant host of Good Morning Football and People,
Starting point is 01:11:32 ladies and gentlemen, fantasy expert, Kay Adams. Thank you, Kay. Thank you, Pat. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. You're awesome.
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Starting point is 01:12:47 Let's get back to the show. How did the sportsbooks do this past weekend? Who won? Did the public win or did House win? I would assume when 69,261 bets are on one particular parlay and that one loses by half a fucking yard, that helps out the sportsbook. Although FanDuel is refunding everybody that rode alongside of us,
Starting point is 01:13:08 not because it was a bad beat, this is going to happen, but because it was the spirit of the holiday, the same game parlay holiday. They don't want to see the holiday be remembered in such epically terrible fashion where none of our parlays hit. So they said, hey, even though it was a half yard and a ref potentially misspotted it, you did lose, but we'll give the money back in the spirit of the holiday, and we appreciate it. Thank you.
Starting point is 01:13:28 I assume the public did pretty well. All the favorites won, except for one uncovered, except for the Cowboys and the 49ers were a pretty trendy dog. So I think the public did pretty well, and there was a stat, and it's like 50-7 or something along those lines in wildcard weekend.
Starting point is 01:13:47 If the team wins, they also cover the game. So tonight, whoever you think is going to win the game. Stats say. Stats say is also going to cover the game. Who do you think is going to win tonight, Tony? I kind of like the dog. Wow. Dogs are not dogs.
Starting point is 01:14:04 Cardinals as a dog, I believe, are 6-0 ATS this year, Dogs are, sorry, not dogs. Cardinals as a dog, I believe, are 6-0 ATS this year. And they are also 8-1 on the road, straight up and ATS. What is the spread looking like right now? Three and a half, I think. Three and a half for the Arizona Cardinals who get J.J. Watt back. Would that be a little bit of energy and juice as they fly into SoFi Stadium to take on Matthew Stafford, who has thrown seven picks in the last three games. But that defense of Aaron Donald,
Starting point is 01:14:28 Jalen Ramsey, and the boys, they have the speed and the ability to trap Kyler Murray and keep him in the well is how they describe it. Keep him inside and not make, you know, extending game changing plays there. It's going to be a good one. I think ESPN's probably rather thrilled that this is the game that they get
Starting point is 01:14:43 to showcase. Yeah, I love this game. Hopefully it's the best one. It does worry me that K took the Cardinals,. I think ESPN's probably rather thrilled that this is the game that they get to showcase. Yeah, I love this game. Hopefully it's the best one. It does worry me that K took the Cardinals, but I think I like the Rams and Matty Stafford kind of putting his junk on the line here and saying, hey, look, I can play quarterback and I can win a playoff game because he never has, right? He's never won a playoff game.
Starting point is 01:14:59 So, I mean, he's gotta win this one. What if he doesn't? If he doesn't, it's bad. It's going to be live. It is going to be live. Can they bring back Odell and Von Miller next year? Do they have the cap space?
Starting point is 01:15:13 They don't have a first-round pick? Okay. They might. Yeah, they do smoke and mirrors with their cap. Yeah. Right? And it's Los Angeles. It's almost as if it doesn't apply to them.
Starting point is 01:15:22 Interesting enough. Well, the cap doesn't apply to a lot of teams, and if we're going to get into this off-season conversation, let's get into it. Some teams have found out how they can just write everybody contracts and it not affect them at all, while other teams are like, well, our cap says, our cap says, and I want to know, how are you both
Starting point is 01:15:38 in the same goddamn league? This team signs 45 free agents to max deals somehow. We'll pay them in 2045, but we'll get this off the books. And other teams are like, well, our cap. Can't do it. Can't do it. Can't budge with our cap.
Starting point is 01:15:50 And whenever we get towards the end of the season, it's very easy to kind of judge and say what teams could have done or how they could have done things and who they could have signed. But when you talk about the Rams, when they added Vaughn Miller, Vaughn wasn't a necessary game changer. You look at the last couple games, though, Vaughn Miller has been in there on the last play of the game, the last series of the game making plays.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Aaron Donald's been there. Jalen Ramsey's been there. Will the defense not allow Matthew Stafford to lose this game tonight is what a lot of people have to think to themselves. And Kyler Murray is the perfect quarterback that can make something out of nothing. No matter how great the Rams' defense is, Kyler can always make some magic and Kay Adams alluded to it. James Connor has 18 tuds or something like that. If he gets rolling early and they have a play action potential,
Starting point is 01:16:33 or at least a threat in the box for Kyler to move, maybe just, maybe, you know, with Hertz out there and AJ green out there. And Kyler Murray being a goddamn guy, maybe this is the time the Cardinals get a dub, and that would be heartbreaking for Matthew Stafford and family after going 0-3 in the playoffs thus far. It feels like we could talk about everyone else on the field, but it comes down to Stafford and Kyler Murray tonight
Starting point is 01:16:57 because both of these two can turn in games where we're like, what the fuck just happened? And both can light it up. And I wish A.J. Hawk was here with us. Kind of. Just tell him to get in the Zoom. Yeah, so he can't hear us now. He unplugged something.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Well, what the hell's going on, A.J.? We figured out, though, the microphone sounds better now with the Zoom. Maybe another minute here. But he can't hear us. No, because I would like him to join us to chat about this because we talk about it being Matthew Stafford and Kyler Murray, and that's real. I guess that's every single game how the quarterback play.
Starting point is 01:17:30 In this particular case, though, who will either make a play for their team or give the other team a chance to win this thing? And that's all dependent upon how the defense plays. You've got to think J.J. and Chandler and Buda and Simmons and everybody on that defensive side of Arizona is ready to feast on the current turnover machine that is Matthew Stafford. But on the flip side, Sean McVay knows that. Sean McVay knows that that's potentially a problem.
Starting point is 01:17:52 Sean McVay knows, like, hey, we've got to get this ball out of Stafford's hands quick. We've got to get him into a rhythm early. And then we start taking our shots and picking and choosing when we've got to go. And on the flip side of this whole thing, that Rams defense, they're star-studded oh yeah from line to safety and all players in between they've been winning games the last four weeks because of the defense and how stout they have been it's the defense that's going to make these quarterbacks either be amateur or elite and i guess that is where we got to keep our
Starting point is 01:18:22 speaking of safety did you see who's back at safety for the Rams? That's what I'm saying. The bearded wonder. That guy, what, two years he's been out? Still in shape. Loved his time in LA. He goes back to the Rams. I wonder how the beard looks, the fresh bald head, the body is probably
Starting point is 01:18:40 feeling good. If we talk to Wedo a couple times, it's hard not to say this guy's probably going to be in shape for the rest of his life. So he gets a chance here to go on a playoff run with a defense that is loaded. He's not going to have to make every play, just kind of get in there and make some plays. I'm pumped for the Rams adding depth. Not only Von Miller, who's come to fruition completely,
Starting point is 01:18:59 but Eric Weddle is now active for tonight's game. What does that mean? None of us know. What were you going to say, Nick? Right now, currently at Vandal Sportsbook, you can get Matthew Stafford to throw an interception at yes for minus 122. Minus 122. Wow.
Starting point is 01:19:15 John Sheeran over there at Vandal. That Irish guy is like, he's thrown seven in the last three, and we just think that's going to stop when the playoffs happen? Not a chance. I might think no. But this is the problem. I just want to wait. Oh, sir.
Starting point is 01:19:28 Oh, wow. Yeah. I mean, definitely better, I guess, but also, like, no respect for Matthew Steele. Not at all. No respect for Matthew Steele. Whatsoever. Not at all. This is like whenever we're looking at Chiefs games
Starting point is 01:19:41 and we're trying to figure out who to bet on. We automatically think, like, the best Chiefs they could possibly be, and they were against the Steelers. And if that's who they're going to be, by the way, going forward, look at everybody because there is a pain train coming through. No more X Factor in the stands. No more super fan drama, just all ball. Jackson Mahomes' curse has maybe been lifted
Starting point is 01:20:04 because what the Chiefs did to the Steelers after Jackson Mahomes did his thing on the sideline, maybe that thing's completely dead and they're ready to go. But whenever you think about the Rams, are we just automatically thinking the best possible Rams? Matthew Stafford lighting it up Rams, defense flying around Rams. Are we thinking about actual reality the last three weeks Rams, which is the defense has been saving the shit out of the offense and they've been kind of sneaking by with some wins? That's gambling, baby. I guess that's the entire problem.
Starting point is 01:20:32 Well, and isn't that what we always talk about is, hey, it's not always the best team that wins the Super Bowl. It's the team that's playing the best at that moment and gets hot going into the playoffs, and they aren't that team right now. Well, neither are they, right? No, yeah, exactly. And it seems like a lot of times, or at least in recent memory, playoffs and they aren't that team right now so neither are they yeah no yeah exactly and i it seems like a lot of times or at least in recent memory the rams have kind of played to whatever
Starting point is 01:20:50 level their opponents are at so we'll see maybe like the being hyped up to have a home playoff game and everything changes everything a little bit but i think you still do have to worry about stafford trying to do too much and throwing a pick six or you know something along those lines kyler has the ability to do this past everybody. Yeah. No matter what the team. Now, Aaron Donald is much faster, more explosive than most inside defense alignment, and Von Miller is an absolute freak.
Starting point is 01:21:13 But if we see a lot of Kyler moving and rolling and sliding, that's not good for the Rams. Maybe they got Jalen Spine. Ooh, that'd probably be the right move, especially without Hopkins, right? Yeah. He's not playing, so he he could probably jalen is such a specimen i'm excited to see jalen ramsey do something at night that's just like yeah of course he floats through the air and makes plays he'll blow somebody up then he'll be very close to getting a taunting penalty because he will let them know that they are a punk a bitch i love Jalen Ramsey. I wish he was on
Starting point is 01:21:45 the Colts. I wish Jalen Ramsey was on any team that I was a fan of because of how he plays. Hopefully we get a chance to see him work tonight. Joining us now from his attic in Ohio on a computer that updated and can no longer FaceTime, I guess, via
Starting point is 01:22:02 Zoom so he'll freeze every fourth or fifth word. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. Yay! How's it sound? Okay. Wow. Here we go.
Starting point is 01:22:17 Hey, thanks for battling through, dude. I really appreciate you doing that. I know you cannot be happy about the situation happening. I mean, I don't know if you can see him sweating. I've been running back and forth. I've had 19 different setups trying to figure out what's going on here. Yeah. And I realized don't ever update your computer. That's the, that's the lesson. I did an update. I ask every single day on this computer. I haven't done it in years. I don't know how to work this one other than just telling me how many people are watching at one time, but AJ, I appreciate you battling through and sweating.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Thank you, AJ. Thank you, AJ. He just tried to do the right thing. He just tried to update. Yeah, I want to update. I want to be in the current. I want to be in the now. I want the best version for the good of the show.
Starting point is 01:22:52 And instead, fucking ruined everything. Missed an hour and 13 minutes. But it's great to have you here, AJ. Super wild card weekend. Same game parlay holiday. You, me, Foxy, Dirty, we're half a yard away from a plus 1000 same game parlay hitting for 69,261 betters AJ was a heartbreaker but what a fucking weekend yeah what a weekend it makes me
Starting point is 01:23:15 question like everything when it's eight and a half yards for Scottie yeah I agree he probably got nine on the play like what made that guy set the line at eight and a half and not eight? They're time travelers. They have to be. Yeah. Yeah. It's bullshit. I've literally said it numerous times that the people that are out in the desert
Starting point is 01:23:36 making these decisions on certain 69,261 people riding on this bed. Okay? 69 plus 1,000 it would have hit them for 10 million plus. That's actual stats. They would have lost 10 million plus yesterday
Starting point is 01:23:53 because of this whole thing. Plus 1,000 is a huge those are big boy odds. Oh yeah. Massive. What is the percentage of a plus 1,000 hitting? 9%.
Starting point is 01:24:01 We happen to fall in the 91% that didn't hit it was because of half a fucking yard because the ref fucked us. But AJ, it makes you wonder about everything
Starting point is 01:24:09 and question everything. And I actually, legitimately, just like I didn't expect to feel that Colts lost in Clontown to the Jacksonville Jaguars as much as I did,
Starting point is 01:24:19 I did not expect for that linger of shit to stick on my body for as long as it did last night. I was a miserable person to be around last night for a good three hours after that entire thing. Because I was shaping the promo. I was shaping the promo while watching that game. Scotty gets eight yards in the second quarter. No problem. Mike Evans gets a touchdown. No problem. Gronk
Starting point is 01:24:41 gets a touchdown. No problem. Tampa minus two and a half. That shit was covered before the game even started. Now we just need Scottie to get one more catch. So every single time that son of a bitch came on the field for three quarters.
Starting point is 01:24:53 Damn near three quarters. I'm watching him like, ah, here we go. This is the one we got to worry about. This is the one that boosted the odds. Two plus 1,000, by the way.
Starting point is 01:25:02 You know, a lot of people will watch you even have Scottie on there. Oh, well, that's a fucking odds booster, okay, pal? That's what you got to do whenever you're piecing together a same-game parlay that has to be above plus 400 because they're going to promote it to a mass amount of people, and so are you. So if we're going to do this, let's do this. I watched him every play.
Starting point is 01:25:17 It was exhausting by the end of it. When he went out on a little out-riding, Giovanni Bernard went the other way, and Tom picked Giovanni over Scottie. You son of a bitch, Tom. Thanks for the gift you sent to the office. That was very nice of you. Congrats on all the success.
Starting point is 01:25:30 That was very, very nice of you. But just look to your left. Just throw the ball. And then Scotty Miller coming out of the huddle. Tom goes, hey, Scotty. Over here, Scotty.
Starting point is 01:25:38 We're like, oh, no. Oh, no. Hey, Scotty, over here. Oh, wait, wait. Scotty might be running just a quick little out here. Maybe Tom's like, hey, Scotty, let's go ahead and get you another one here because we're going to need you for the playoff push. No, Scotty, over here. Oh, wait, wait. Scotty might be running just a quick little out here. Maybe Tom's like, hey, Scotty, let's go ahead and get you another one here
Starting point is 01:25:46 because we're going to need you for the playoff push. No, end around, turn around, bye. How you doing? He runs for nine yards, which is over eight and a half, obviously, but it doesn't matter because he was rushing, not receiving. It was tough. I was beat up, though. I was beat up.
Starting point is 01:25:59 And that promo that was coming, oh, oh. I get it. It was the roller coaster, I feel like, because after the first half, I wasn't feeling great about it. I'm like, all right, well, here we go. I don't know. And then all of a sudden, bam, all right, now, yeah, this is absolutely happening.
Starting point is 01:26:14 And to think all it took was Scotty to get that extra, what, he had to get three-quarters of one yard to get us over the hump, right? I thought, yeah, of course it's going to happen, isn't it? Well, they don't keep stats as quarters of yards because. They would give him the full yard, though, hopefully. Yeah, yeah. I mean. Not here, though.
Starting point is 01:26:32 That's nine yards. He's, wow. He's over nine. Well, then there's also a fucking one of him laying on his back at nine yards. I mean, and by the way, I think this alongside, like, the spirit of the same game parlay holiday and nobody else's parlay hitting is why FanDuel is like, all right,
Starting point is 01:26:50 Hey, we will refund everybody. Okay. Not because this is a bad beat. This is not a bad beat. This happens in gambling. You're going to lose by a half a yard. Just like we did when Tom Brady took a fucking knee.
Starting point is 01:27:00 God damn it. Hey, credit to FanDuel though, for giving people their money back here. Thank you. Thank you. I do. I do like the fact that it seems like they've got, hey credit to FanDuel though for giving people their money back here thank you FanDuel I do like the fact it seems like they've gotten the point across to you though hey let people know this ain't happening again
Starting point is 01:27:13 like this is a one time deal that is yeah for the spirit of the holiday it should be too it shouldn't just always do that but I think it's awesome for how big it was how close it was spirit of the holidays.
Starting point is 01:27:25 Why not just do it this time and obviously don't expect it again? Well, we appreciate that from FanDuel, obviously. And it does not change how I feel at all because I would have rather had it hit and take $10 million from them. That would have been the world's largest gambling hit in the history of sportsbook. Not that somebody hasn't bet $10 million somewhere before. 69,261 bettors all hitting. That has to be some sort of record. But instead, just like Foxy texted us, AJ,
Starting point is 01:27:51 instead of being the biggest, obviously, we are losers, Pat. The biggest losers. This guy two times. Twice. Come on. It was your text, Foxy. Hey, you got to be the best at something. Yeah, I would prefer not to be that. But I guess if we're going to do it we might as well be the biggest loss let's talk about some of the games aj i can't wait to get your take we got darius butler joining us here in a little bit uh the bills are a wagon dude the patriots got absolutely embarrassed i mean i was ass yeah molly i mean just it was bad. Dog walked out there. Is that more on Josh Allen and the Bills, the Patriots? How do you feel?
Starting point is 01:28:29 Colin Cowherd, once again, we're on at the same time. We have a lot of respect for Colin. We have a lot of respect for Colin. He's been doing it for a long time. Competitive stamina, very impressive. But I only saw the tweet. He's saying that the Patriots should trade Mac Jones. Yes.
Starting point is 01:28:42 Why? Just because, you know, he's not, I believe, a blue-chip stock in the NFL. When you look at Josh Allen, he only had four incompletions. He had five touchdowns. I don't know if Mac Jones is going to get it done. Well, Josh Allen is the new creme de creme of the AFC
Starting point is 01:28:57 East, and the Patriots have now become Powerade, Adidas, and Phil Mickelson in the AFC East. But that Bills team looked great. It was cold as hell. Bildos were flying. I love watching that Bills team play the way they played. And that seems like a team that would be fun to be a fan of, A.J. Hawk.
Starting point is 01:29:15 Oh, my God. It makes you want to play on their team, doesn't it? Like when I watched the Bills play, especially when they routed the Patriots on that freezing cold night in front of their fans. It looked sold out to me. It looked like everybody traveled. They found a way to fill those seats, right?
Starting point is 01:29:28 Yeah, we got a video from somebody in there. Say, hey, Patty, we're fucking here, aren't we? It was his exact quote with an incredible mustache, this guy. Because the Canadians couldn't get across the border to get into the stadium or they couldn't get back because of a testing protocol, there were some seats that were available. A lot of people questioned, oh, does Bill's Mafia even care they showed up they want bananas they threw bill does and that team is going to be a tough out regardless Josh Allen
Starting point is 01:29:54 played damn near perfect game but when you watch him extend plays and run people over and make decisions and then the energy he radiates amongst his teammates. It's like, man, that's what I thought Carson was going to be for the Indianapolis Colts. This dude is a fucking star, and he loves being in Buffalo, I think. It's the perfect quarterback for Buffalo. Absolutely. I assume you guys talked about when he picked up old buddy's imaginary jock off the ground when he juked a guy in the open field
Starting point is 01:30:22 going towards the left sideline. No, we have not talked about that, but you're right. You dropped your jocke right there, cuz. I mean, that is classic. He was running power, dude. He was running power. He couldn't miss either. That touchdown to Dawson Knox, I read what he said afterwards. He thought
Starting point is 01:30:38 he was throwing it away originally, really, and then Dawson Knox comes down with this thing. That was fun, but what sparked everything, I feel like what really got him going was that Micah Hyde pick in the end zone. If that goes – if the Patriots catch that and win and Micah doesn't make one of the best interceptions I've seen covering so much ground, like, that game could have, you know, gone a little different direction.
Starting point is 01:30:56 Ever, by the way. Stealing a home run over old Buddy's head. And then he goes out of bounds at the goal line, right? Yeah. He actually hit the pylon. Didn't he hit the pylon? Yeah, right. I think he hit it. He the goal line, right? Yeah. He actually hit the pylon. Didn't he hit the pylon? Yeah, I think he hit it. He was right to the right of it.
Starting point is 01:31:07 He shifted the ball into his left or whatever to protect it, too. Yeah. I mean, what an incredible play. Didn't make the Pro Bowl because this guy stinks, by the way. Did not make the Pro Bowl because he stinks. Same with Jordan Poyer and all the boys out there on that Buffalo Bills defense. But there's a couple plays that happen during a game that really swing everything. And when he did this, I literally sent a tweet to Connor saying,
Starting point is 01:31:27 oh, Micah just stole all of your joy. That is the game. It is over, pal. And I felt like you felt the same exact way. Yeah, I was devastated because after that, that was a really good opening drive by Mac Jones. It was a third and 11. I think the play right before that, he ran for the first down.
Starting point is 01:31:43 It didn't look as though he was rattled or it was too big of a moment for him. But then when Mike Hyde makes that play and you see what Josh Allen is doing, because he is so good. That offense goes as he goes and he was unbelievable on Saturday night. So after that pick, it was basically like, okay,
Starting point is 01:31:59 we don't really have a shot here because they're going to score on every single possession. Joining us now is a nine-year, and it also felt like Josh wasn't scared at all of Bill Belichick. There was no longer like, oh, they're going to do some stuff you haven't seen before. Josh looked very comfortable with the line of scrimmage, looking at what they were doing, breaking it down, checking plays. He just looked like such a superior player than he had ever looked against an opponent that has danced on the graves of bills for 20 years what a moment for all bills mafia yeah and even when the bills came to new england a few weeks ago i mean he made every single throw beat the shit out of us then in gillette so yeah it is
Starting point is 01:32:37 in fact josh allen's division until you know the future yeah you guys are a powerade right now joining us uh adidas, Phil Mickelson. Not a big deal. Those are all great things. Adidas is cool. A lot of success. A lot of success. But just number two there.
Starting point is 01:32:50 And that feels like that's what the AFC East is going to look like for some time. Joining us now, nine-year NFL vet, host of the Man to Man podcast and everything DB. He played corner, nickel, and safety. One of the greatest football minds that we have ever heard, ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Fellas, fellas, fellas, what's up? Hey, D, but let's dive right into it. Scotty Miller got fucked out of a yard by the ref. That should have been nine yards, dude.
Starting point is 01:33:16 Fucking Scotty. Get in your fucking playbook, Scotty. First and foremost, get lined up. How the hell did we get Scotty on the ticket, man? But I rose we got our money back and uh you know we're good all is good all is well okay so let's start talking about some of these teams uh the buffalo bills josh allen looks like the prototype right now i know you've been big on justin herbert same body similar style of play as josh allen and if he molds his game into
Starting point is 01:33:42 what josh allen has been able to mold his game into over the years, getting better and better, obviously the Chargers fans will be pumped about that. But who's stopping Josh Allen right now in that Bills offense? I don't know how. He's big. He's fast. He extends plays. It feels like he can't miss throwing. How do you stop that dude, D-Butt? I mean, really, only he can stop himself. I mean, he's one of those players that he's kind of up and down. He's a little inconsistent here and there. But if he's playing like that, and especially that adverse weather,
Starting point is 01:34:11 if you look at Mac Jones on the other side, he looked absolutely miserable. Like all game long, his face was all tied up. Josh Allen, he looked like, you know, without the sleeves, he was playing on a 70-degree day. You know, that was a great quarterbacking game for any weather, let alone that. But I've never seen a Belichick team or defense try out there and just get trounced like that.
Starting point is 01:34:34 They had a good start, man. Micah Hyde with that interception, that changed things around. And Josh Allen, never blink. I mean, no punts, no field goals, no turnovers. I don't know if I've ever seen that especially uh in the playoffs that was that was incredible it's never happened it's the first time ever a perfect game a perfect crazy hey it was I mean it pretty much was perfect by Josh it was fun to watch I wanted to pivot to the Bengals Raiders Joe Burrow has obviously people very excited in Ohio like do the Bengals actually have a chance
Starting point is 01:35:04 I think I may have asked you this the last time you were on. But now they go, they win a big playoff game. Joe Burrow is, I mean, absolutely on fire right now this last month. What are their chances? Great. I mean, obviously they got a chance. They got a puncher's chance. You know, great, great talent on the offensive side of the ball.
Starting point is 01:35:20 Same on the defensive side. You know, we'll see if Trey Henderson is back for the next round. I know he went out the last game, but you got the Kansas City Chiefs and the AFC who's been doing this since Mahomes been there. You got the Bills who are wagging. You got some teams who have been there, done that. This is the Bengals' first
Starting point is 01:35:37 time there with Zach Taylor. First win 31 years, playoff win for the city. Huge. They got a chance because Joe Burrowrow 25 years old he's only in the second year but he looks like the moment is never too big so on that team he can lead that team and those guys believe in him so they definitely got a punch a puncher's chance um but it's gonna be tough a lot of people aren't talking about tennessee and tennessee is the one seat they found ways to win all year. Derrick Henry coming back at home.
Starting point is 01:36:06 Mike Vrabel, probably the coach of the year this year. He'll have his guys flying around. So, I mean, Bengals are the dogs right now. I'm sure a lot of people will be betting on them, but I wouldn't write those Tennessee Titans off yet. Yeah, the Titans haven't been talked about all year, especially once Derrick Henry got hurt so many weeks ago,
Starting point is 01:36:21 but Vrabes has done nothing but figure out ways to win down there. A lot of grit in the locker room. People got to go through Nashville if they want to make it in the AFC. Good luck down there. Good luck in the Music City. And whenever you talk about Joe Burrow, it felt like he was the only one in all of Cincinnati,
Starting point is 01:36:39 including Zach Taylor, that said, hey, we haven't done shit yet. That was the post-game interview. He was like, hey, we haven't really won anything. Let's keep it moving. It's like, well, for 31 years, this was not even something that was feasible in Cincinnati. So who knows about the hangover, the celebration, and Zach Taylor's out karaoke and giving a game ball to the city.
Starting point is 01:36:53 I do too. Let's hope Delta Cron wasn't in there dancing. Let's hope Delta Cron wasn't in there dancing with Zach Taylor. You know, you're finally winning, Zach. I wish they enjoyed the hell out of that. Those moments don't come a lot. I do like the fact that Joe Burrow acted like it wasn't a big deal.
Starting point is 01:37:09 Let's go to Tampa Bay. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously, Scotty Miller only gets eight yards instead of nine, which is what? 69,260 people needed to happen. It would have been nice. A lot of people. So many people. I thought about the other sportsbooks who haven't even had 69,000 bets on their
Starting point is 01:37:25 entire platform looking at this going, what the fuck? How are they going to be able to handle a $10 million loss? Especially as Evans scores, Gronk scores. The alternate spread looks very obvious from literally the first quarter. All we need is another yard. I mean, that's banana land, but let's talk about
Starting point is 01:37:42 the good from Tampa because all we've talked about is the negative with Scottie Miller only getting eight yards. They'd never look like they were doubting anything. I don't think they played anywhere near perfect in any facet of the game, but they're just winning games and dominating people. Is that more because of the Eagles, or do you think the Bucs are going to continue to climb knowing that football matters now? I mean, this is the time of year you don't bet against Brady, obviously. But once again, that was the Eagles. Hurts making his playoff debut. Sirianni,
Starting point is 01:38:09 a great year overall, but making their playoff debut. That Eagles team wasn't good all year against winning teams, playoff teams. I think defeated all year. You went down there to Tampa and I think what happened, most people expect it. But a little concerned with Tampa, man.
Starting point is 01:38:27 It started off a little shaky there earlier. Brady wasn't on the same page with a lot of new guys that are going to have to play big roles down the stretch because as the game goes on, people are going to take care of Mike Evans, or try to at least. And people are probably going to have an eye or two on Gronk. He's not going to be wide open in the end zone like he was um yesterday so i did worse worse uh we'll see what happened with worth the all pro right tackle who went out um this is kind of why you like these bye weeks but um a little concern there especially if you're going to have to go to lambo at some point or i'm not worried about whoever comes out of this game tonight and plays them next week i think tampo will handle that but uh if you
Starting point is 01:39:03 got to go to lamboau and beat Aaron Rodgers, I'm a little concerned with Tampa in that regard. D-Butcher said tonight don't mean fucking shit. Whoever wins tonight, they're going to Tampa and they're going to get a run out of the Gulf of Mexico, pal. Go ahead, AJ. Speaking of that, going to Lambeau. So San Francisco beats
Starting point is 01:39:19 Dallas yesterday. They're going to head to Lambeau. What do you make of the game yesterday? Obviously weird, very bizarre ending. Do you think San Fran has a chance? I know they need to check on Warner and Nick Bosa to see if they'll be healthy, which will be huge for them. What do you think? What's going to happen when they go to Lambeau? It's freezing
Starting point is 01:39:35 cold. Jimmy obviously has this thumb situation. What are they going to do? Obviously try to run. Warner put out a tweet. Yeah, he tweeted. He said he'll be ready to go next week. Warner said he's good. I saw him get taped up and I thought he was going to go in, but Bosa, obviously, that's an amazing
Starting point is 01:39:51 pass rusher. You've got to have him out there to give you a better chance. This is the team. Packers fans, I think, were Cowboys fans yesterday. They wanted Cowboys to win this game. Get the fuck out of here. Whoa! This was a bad before the game. You don't fuck out of here Now a lot of people's notice was a bad draw for the Cowboys
Starting point is 01:40:14 49ers just built to be certain teams and we saw the matchup a couple years ago when I the 49ers went up there to Lambeau They're gonna run the ball Shanahan is gonna do you know his thing in the run game going to come down to Jimmy because he's going to have a couple what-the-fuck throws every game. And are those going to cost you or not? Because you know Aaron Rodgers aren't going to have those. And Green Bay is getting healthy at the right time. So once again, they got a chance.
Starting point is 01:40:39 Jimmy has won in the playoffs. 49ers obviously got the recipe to win and to get to the Super Bowl. But Aaron Rodgers, if he continues his MVP season and you get these all pros back on defense, you got Bakhtari back up there to tackle. I mean, I'm still going with Packers to win, but
Starting point is 01:40:55 it's a scary matchup for them. Yeah, I think the Niners can be a scary matchup for anybody strictly because if they get rolling, it is tough to stop once i got bullies man dude they do and and by the way once you start having success the bullies once bullies start having success it only it only empowers them even more it's like hey i ran you over last time we're out here there's going to be more of that and it's like if you can't stop it early it's going to be
Starting point is 01:41:22 a long day and that is not because i've been out there in that situation aj you could probably allude to this more but just as a spectator it feels like whenever something like that gets rolling that's why derrick henry and they'll be patient with it they're like hey if it doesn't work in the first quarter we'll do it in the second quarter if it doesn't work in the second quarter we'll do it in the third quarter but at some point when it happens they just continue to go go. What is it, AJ? You just kind of lose confidence, or is it because they just have figured out your scheme and everything? Well, a lot of times it's because they are physically dominating you up front, and if a team can come out from the first series
Starting point is 01:41:55 and kind of have their way with you and pound the ball. Like I always said to people, we come out there the first drive, we're on defense, they have the ball first. Let's say something happens, we have a guy miss a tackle, and he breaks a 60-yard run for a touchdown. Like, yeah, of course. You're freaking out. You're mad. But you know, like, hey, these guys can't move the ball on us.
Starting point is 01:42:12 It's kind of a fluke thing. That doesn't worry you as much. What worries you is when the team just systematically works the ball down the field, and they do it mainly through running the ball and falling forward and picking up big first downs on, like, third and shorts, stuff like that why i want green bay's defense so if we come out and and find a way to stand up physically early trying to let them know like hey you're not going to be able to run on us and put it in jimmy's hands and whenever you see in d but uh whenever you see kittle and you check and debo just headbutting each other it's like they're in their groove and then shanahan's
Starting point is 01:42:44 calling his shit with that nerd from yale yeah it just it seems like they're running like a motion offense in basketball it starts to feel like they're running a basketball like offense in 2022 and it's just unstoppable almost yeah a lot they got a lot of moving parts uh pre-snap so um you have to simplify your defensive game plan because of all the guys. And those names you name, Juice, you don't know where he's going to line up. As a fullback, he could be in the slot. Kittle, he can line up on the outside. Debo, he can be in the backfield or the slot or out wide. So you got all their playmakers that can be.
Starting point is 01:43:16 Brandon Ayuk has come along, and he's played great down the stretch. So they got guys that are coming and playing ball at the right time. But I got to ask AJ about this guy, Mike McCarthy. What's going on? Hey, let's get to it. Let's talk about the Cowboys. They've had time management issues all season. Even when Big Mike wasn't there and somebody else was coaching,
Starting point is 01:43:35 there was time management issues. If we were to look back on the season in Blue's Clues, this thing, there would be little droppings all season of, hey, this team might be fucked when it comes to situational awareness and then the way the season ends is in the most embarrassing catastrophic way that could possibly happen seems like you're getting back in now the Niners were dominant okay the Niners were dominant and then all of a sudden Dallas found a spark it might have been an overthrow might have been a pick whatever the case was they had their spark they were getting
Starting point is 01:44:02 back in there the play call call, obviously in question. I mean, what are we doing? If Dak goes down five yards earlier, maybe that saves them enough time to kind of get a spike in there. But time management hasn't been their thing all year, D-Butt. And those types of things show up when they show up. You never know about it until it shows up. And here we are in the biggest way talking about this all offseason for sure.
Starting point is 01:44:25 Yeah, that was – I mean, I hated a play call a play call and you know people have been talking about it you know i had nausea the 14th second mark i don't think that's enough time it's everything has to go even if he goes down four or five yards earlier everything just has to go right you got to depend on the ump to be in place you get in the ball he has to place the ball it's just too many variables in that situation obviously the the you know line niners are playing the picket fence and guarding the sideline but you can't do that and even before that and i heard you talking earlier about how you were in chuck's ear about wanting to run a fake punt and stand on the field against the defense or run another play we never did it that's what you're supposed to do as a head coach we never did it yeah yeah no
Starting point is 01:45:03 we're not doing that dumb shit. We got a defense on the field. We're not concerned about the punt team running a play against our defensive unit. So that was terrible. Obviously, the 14 penalties, a lot of them pre-snap dead ball penalties. One of them, I don't know what happened with Gregory, just body slamming the offensive guard. Do you think he had the ball?
Starting point is 01:45:24 Do you think Gregory thought that the lineman had the head coming off a block? He was coming off a block. Maybe he didn't see it. He's like, oh, I'm gonna take this dude down Yeah, too, but it was hilarious to see cuz I saw the car at the point in the game like oh, come on Man, it's got to be a terrible call to call holding on defensive player and then you sort of replayed Yeah, it was it was it was actually a right call the refs got one, right? But on that's that's that's bad man. Oh a lot of people calling for Mike McCarthy's head And then you saw the replay. Yeah, it was actually a right call. The refs got one right. But that's bad, man. A lot of people calling for Mike McCarthy's head.
Starting point is 01:45:49 I'm not usually that guy. But this was a big letdown. This was kind of a Super Bowl to bust year. You look at that roster. So I think Mike, man, I might be with Dan on this one today. Mike might have to get out of there, man. And Jerry Jones didn't talk about it or address it. And we all assumed that he would not fire Mike McCarthy. I thought Jerry came out and said that's not an option.
Starting point is 01:46:10 Did he say it's not an option? I thought he said he would address it later. I didn't hear. I read somewhere. I thought he said, like, we're not even talking about that. Steven might have said something along those lines. Yeah, maybe. It didn't feel like he's going to fire Mike McCarthy,
Starting point is 01:46:22 but, boy, it got loud for Mike to get run out of town. But this is, you know, classic Cowboys. And I hate to say this, and Cowboys fans hate saying this, the hype felt real this year. They had a lot of money invested. Dak's playing lights out. Kellen Moore is this new boy wonder who's getting head coaching opportunities now.
Starting point is 01:46:42 Dan Quinn's career has been revitalized. Micah Parsons, this guy might be a game changer forever. We might have found the new one. And then here we are, another early exit, not even making it past wildcard weekend. It's like, at what point do you think the Cowboys go on a run? And do you think it's even possible? Do you think that place is potentially cursed, Darius Butler?
Starting point is 01:47:02 No, it's definitely possible, man. I mean, I don't know what they need to change, but you have the players. That's the hard part is getting the players. You got your quarterback locked up, who I think is still – I think Dak is the top ten quarterback in the league. That offense, that offense, they fooled a lot of people. They put up a lot of points against bad teams late in the year. And the defense has kind of been kind of feasting famine all year.
Starting point is 01:47:26 You know, they'll make you pay when you put that ball in the air. You get behind the sticks. These pass rushers get after you. But just playing disciplined football down in and down out, they weren't really doing that. And they got exposed yesterday. 49ers tried. They tried their damnedest to give them a chance at the end.
Starting point is 01:47:40 It shouldn't even have been in Dak's hands if, you know, Jimmy just waits for Trent to get set and run the sneak. But, you know, it's ugly for Dallas right now. And at some point, I mean, they're going to be talked about. They're still going to get all the primetime games. You know, Jerry's still going to do his thing. But at some point you got to start winning some playoff games.
Starting point is 01:47:57 Hey, top 10 quarterback winning a Super Bowl? Yeah. Absolutely. Especially if you got a D. I think I mean, overall, all things considered, I think Dan Quinn and his defensive unit played good enough this year to, you know, still be playing.
Starting point is 01:48:11 I got to put a lot of this on the offense. I got a lot of, put a lot of it on Mike McCarthy, a lot of it on Kelly Moore. And then a lot on that. I think that's where, you know, that shit flows downhill.
Starting point is 01:48:23 So it is what it is. Hey, the finality of it all is so quick, too, because that defense with the way they're playing, they probably assumed, hey, we're going to go on a little bit of a run here. We just got to be able to stop the run. We'll be okay. Jimmy's going to give us one. There's going to be a couple of overthrows.
Starting point is 01:48:37 We're going to be able to get back in this game. And all of a sudden, it's over. The Cowboys that were supposed to be are once again never was. And now we have a whole offseason of Jerry Jones articulating the fact that we will not rest without getting a winner here in Dallas. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Darius, tell me something good, dude. What the hell are the Patriots going to do?
Starting point is 01:48:56 What do they need to do? And follow-up question, should they trade Mac Jones? Should they trade Mac Jones? Yeah, that's what we were alluding to earlier. We didn't get to hear the whole clip, but Colin Cahill heard. We read a tweet. We have a lot of respect. Come on, Colin.
Starting point is 01:49:14 Hey, we have respect for Colin. Hey, no, no. We have respect for Colin. We have respect for Colin. Hey, me too. I've been on the herd a couple times. But, no, you're not trading Mac Jones. He's the best rookie quarterback this year
Starting point is 01:49:26 He ran into a rookie wall late I think we all saw it And then at this point in the year, if you're a defensive coordinator Especially one of the caliber of Leslie Frazier with one of the top Defenses in the league You got a young, statue quarterback Who isn't that athletic
Starting point is 01:49:41 That's what you want in the playoffs at this time of the year That's what Mac Jones is. And then you don't have dynamic pass catches on the outside for the Patriots right now. So I think Mac will be fine. I think the Patriots will be fine. But it's a completely different ballgame when you're not winning the division. You don't got Tom Brady on the center. And then on defense, you had a lot of guys that missed some snaps out there as well.
Starting point is 01:50:03 So you're ready to do a buzzsaw with Josh Allen too, man. The way they played, like it was just the perfect storms. I think the Patriots will be fine. No, Belichick will be back next season. And Mack Jones will continue, you know, to get better. There you go. Number two in the AFC East. There you go, dude.
Starting point is 01:50:17 All right, dude. Adidas. We'll see. Pirates. We'll see. It's better than not making the playoffs. Goddamn right. I agree.
Starting point is 01:50:24 Colts are sitting right there. I got a lot of tweets from people in Massachusetts saying, yeah, we lost by 30. Fuck off. You weren't even in dancing. You're right. You're 100% right. Hey, Cod, you better pin a letter to Kraft, too.
Starting point is 01:50:35 All right, pin one of those little cute letters to Robert Kraft, too. Yeah, dear. Yeah, I forgot about that. You're right, D-Butt. We got to hold his feet to the fire a little bit. He's expecting all this accountability from Jim Irsay, who answered, by the way. Jim wrote his own letter back, and then he cut a promo in front of a plane. He said, hey, Connor, listen, I see your little tweets.
Starting point is 01:50:54 All right, pal, as a member of Indianapolis. What are the Patriots saying? I don't know what we're working on. The Patriots started 2-4, and they had a rookie quarterback in the playoffs. I'm not that worried about the Patriots. We started 1-5. We had Carson Wentz. Yeah, exactly. Hey, Josh Allen, allen by the way when you watch him don't you just think like oh some of these plays are reminiscent of carson and then at the end instead
Starting point is 01:51:13 of two springs it's like a lollipop touchdown on it you know what i mean d but it's real like you go back two years ago josh allen was still getting better and better and better you go back two years ago carson wentz was the big guy that was able to move and make plays. This dude's the prototype, D-Butt. This guy's the fucking prototype I think right now. I mean, especially at that part in the country, this time of year, like this, I know a lot of people
Starting point is 01:51:36 are saying, hey, let's put Josh Allen in the dome or let's do it, or every team. Like, that's the reason you want a quarterback like that. Like, Mac Jones looked completely uncomfortable out of place in that stadium. He had that scuba suit on. Yeah. I wonder if Bill –
Starting point is 01:51:49 And that matters, too. That matters. As a defensive player, you know, everybody's cold. But, you know, you watch Tom Brady. You watch Aaron Rodgers when he's out there with the turtleneck. Like, those guys look cool as a cucumber. Like, he looked like damn dope. And when he got hit, he was laying on the ground like, ah.
Starting point is 01:52:04 Like, you got to have some – you got to at least fake it. He got the scuba suit from Brady. That's what Brady does. Come on. Brady doesn't wear that thing. Yeah, he does. Yeah, he does. We'll see it in Lambeau in two weeks.
Starting point is 01:52:18 Yeah, he does. Well, the thing about it is he's won seven Super Bowls. Oh, good. You know, it's just what he's allowed to do. He's on the sideline looking at his breath and shit like, come on, man. Come on, man. Smoking fake cigarettes. That was cool.
Starting point is 01:52:33 I'd be doing it, too. I mean, it was pretty cold up there. Give him a break. No, we are giving him a break. He's a rookie. He's a rookie. He's got time. This will be a part of the whole documentary.
Starting point is 01:52:41 You know, we had to lose this game to kind of build, to go forward. It'll be a whole thing, but that Josh Allen led Bills team looks like they are going to be good for some time, which is a shame for also the Dolphins.
Starting point is 01:52:51 I mean, the Dolphins are also in their division over there. And they didn't even powerade their Adidas. They're third in the division. All sport. Yeah, all sport.
Starting point is 01:52:59 Body armor. Body armor is right. Body armor is a bit new. So? AJ, you had a share of body armor, I assume. They just asked every person that played football and got drafted in the first round if they wanted a share of that, right? I wish. Didn't Kobe Bryant make like 150 mil off of that?
Starting point is 01:53:15 He made a grip. He made a lot of money. I think he made more off the body armor, dude, than he did on the court or something like that. And that was only probably one of what for Kobe's business? Several. Rest in peace, dude. Rest in Kobe business. Several rest in peace, dude. Rest in peace,
Starting point is 01:53:27 Kobe. First piece, Kobe, Tom Brady ain't losing. We're just bringing up the Mamba mentality. Like, I mean, Tom Brady against the Eagles yesterday was maybe one of the biggest layups of all the time.
Starting point is 01:53:37 Maybe, maybe he just passed by Scottie Miller one last time. Go ahead. Seven C's. I wasted folks time. Who? Both the seven C's Steelers, Eagles. Come on, man, should have gave them a bye week.
Starting point is 01:53:48 All right, let's talk about the Steelers team. Tom, go ahead, pal. That was the Colts' fault, D-Butt. Very true. Speaking of, the last time the Chiefs played a real offense, they gave up 31. Do you think the Chiefs' defense can hold up against the Bills at all? You know, it's early right now, but I saw the Bills are dogs. I'm taking the Bills.
Starting point is 01:54:09 I'm taking the Bills in that game because of the defense. You know, you got two all pros in safety. You got guys up front that get after it. And then Josh Allen and Mahomes, I think they'll go back and forth. But that defense for the Bills, I just have more faith in them to make, you know, just one or two more plays down the stretch. But, I mean, I can't wait for that game. I can't wait for this weekend as well.
Starting point is 01:54:31 And every time I get a chance to chat with you, I get excited, D-Butt, because your big old brain is always on display. Who do you got tonight, Cardinals, Rams? I got Cardinals. Cardinals on the road, man. Rams, don't got a ton of faith. I don't have a lot of faith in either of these quarterbacks, honestly, this point in the year. But Stafford, man,
Starting point is 01:54:48 he's been giving that ball away late in the year. Defensively, Rams down, both starting safeties. Weddle, Eric Weddle should get a lot of burn out there tonight. But last week, they were terrible in situational football on the defensive side of the ball. And then Sean McVay lost faith
Starting point is 01:55:04 in Stafford late. He didn't even try to get it for them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah. He didn't try to get it for them. That's embarrassing for a veteran. You're just saving them for the playoffs. No, yeah, they were at the pool. Sean McVay had to shut off with the dog,
Starting point is 01:55:14 and Matthew Stafford was in the pool. Hey, let's bust out all this. That shit goes south real quick when you put all the chips in. You go Yvonne, Odell, and you go one and done in the playoffs. But we'll see. JJ White's back, too. Hey, great video today. Did you see that?
Starting point is 01:55:31 I saw the video, but we'll see him tonight. He's got to be the real show. He's got to be an upstage brother, too. Well, yeah, TJ had a good night. Exactly. And he'll be, you guys know like I know, he'll be fresh, ready to go against that interior line. What does that mean?
Starting point is 01:55:44 What does that mean? What does that mean? He'll be fresh. He works his ass off. He'll be ready. He's been gnawing at the bit. Can't wait. As do you, ladies and gentlemen. Host of the Man to Man podcast and everything DB, Darius Butler. Thank you very much. Can't thank you enough for allowing
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