The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 582 - Coach Us Up With Chuck Pagano, Colleen Wolfe, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 19, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the different pertinent news stories floating around the NFL including the 49ers injury concerns going into Saturday night at Lambeau, the NFL ratings from the Wildcard Weekend games and how massive they were, and what else we should be keeping an eye on as the Divisional Playoffs get closer and closer. Joining the program to chat about the playoffs, and what goes into the coaching and GM searches as he does every single Wednesday, Coach for 38 years, former Head Coach of the Indianapolis Colts, Chuck Pagano (39:48-1:24:01). Later, NFL Network host for Thursday Night Football, co-host of Good Morning Football on the weekend, Colleen Wolfe joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about the disappoint of her Eagles getting mollywhopped in the first round of the playoffs and if she expects things to change in the offseason, her thoughts on the games this weekend and who she likes to advance to the AFC and NFC Championship games, if she's ever gotten any guff from teams for comments she's made on air, and much more (1:28:26-1:42:34). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, it is Coach What's Up Chuck Wednesday, January 19th. Chuck Pagano, Colleen Wolfe, A.J. Hawk, the boys, and I can't thank you enough for allowing us to penetrate your ear holes. If you like this show, by the end of it, please be a friend, tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Here we go! The divisional round is just days away of this NFL season. Let's have a show. Can't thank you enough

for joining us here at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee Show. Fresh haircut. You're welcome. Thank you. And you're welcome for no longer having to look

at the incredible bush that I had grown on top of my head. Coolest looking barber in the history of the world, JC Kimmings. Oh my God. Shout out to Maestro.

Shout out to Back Porch Barber. Hey, we appreciate you, JC. Thank you, JC. This dude's the coolest looking dude of all time. It's nice to get a haircut in the office. This is like a dream come true. Hey, why appreciate you, JC. Thank you, JC. This dude's the coolest I've ever done of all time. It's nice to get a haircut in the office. This is like a dream come true.

Hey, why do you want to potentially have your own building, your own office? Well, I'd like to be able to have a barber just come in every single week so everybody can get a fresh cut

because going and waiting and doing that whole thing and a haircut, a fresh haircut makes you feel so good. Oh, yeah. Oh, did I just lose seven fucking pounds?

I think so. Yes, you did. So this is pretty cool. Thank you, JC. Thank you, yeah. Yeah. Oh, did I just lose seven fucking pounds? I think so. Yes, you did. So this is pretty cool. Thank you, JC. Thank you, JC. Thank you, my friends. All the boys look fantastic. At Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor.

That mullet got a little fresh. How you doing? Keep it moving. Fade on the sides there at Boston Connor. Yeah, I did, Pat. And you're right. I mean, the back porch barber always gets the job done. And I do feel like I lost seven pounds.

I feel like tonight when I get in the Oculus Arena, everyone who I'm going up against boxing, playing ping pong, is in for a long night. Now, listen, we are immediately starting this show with conversations about shit that has nothing to do with sports because we are staring down the inevitable. Okay, there's four games left. There's a lot of coaching drama, GM hiring, everything like that. But as the stories come about, we will talk about them. But if we don't chat about what's going on at home and our own lives at night,

in this healthy fitness run that we're all on. Come on, getting yoked. Come on, we're getting yoked for the Super Bowl. Get yoked, dude. For the Super Bowl, dude. Because normally in the past, by the Super Bowl, we'd all be 50 to 60 pounds heavier than at the beginning of the season. This year, we said, you know what?

By the time Super Bowl, we're going to get fat middle of season. Boom. And then by the time offseason comes around, we're going to be in shape. As opposed to chasing, not dying all offseason. Right, exactly. And then getting back in shape and then doing that whole thing. So we're getting yoked up for the Super Bowl. You got that fade on that mullet.

You look unbelievable. And you do look skinny, dude. Hey, thank you, Pat. It's definitely the haircut. I mean, the back porch barber does do that with his scissors and his clippers. Are you boxing in the Oculus Arena? I am boxing in the Oculus Arena. I have to say, though, I have lost the thing that goes over the eyes.

So my eyes are actually just pressed up against the screen. It is pretty difficult. But, yeah, I've been getting that. So on Amazon, there's a super padded one. Like the sweatband. Yeah, it's a sweatband, but it's super padded so the air doesn't get in, so it doesn't steam. So it also has a better flap over. My massive nose kind of gets in there, so no air gets in the steam.

Two-day delivery. Yeah. You can make that happen very quickly. Yeah, I got one ordered. Yeah, okay. I do too. It's like silicone or something that says sweat. It looks legit.

How do you do in there? How do you do in your fights? Pretty good? I do too. It's like silicone or something. It says sweat. It looks legit. How do you do in there? How do you do in your fights? Pretty good? I do pretty good. My problem right now is because we are getting yoked for the Super Bowl and we might have started a couple weeks ago, I get about a fight and a half in and I feel like I'm going to throw up. For those that don't know what we're speaking of, this was something that kind of captivated

the entire office. And we do not have a Meta or Oculus deal, although we probably sold a shit ton of them. Oh, yeah. Because when my wife gifted me, I think, an Oculusculus i got in there and i'm terrible at video games i have bad thumb dexterity so i can't control a human body or a sniper or anything like that with my thumbs it's just not something i'm built to do but the oculus was awesome because hey it's full body here you can do your thing and there's this game called thrill of the fight in there where you're it actually keeps up with your hands and when you hit somebody i think it's called the physics it's like you really get lost in the fight although

it is clearly a fake human okay it is clearly a video game in the metaverse it really you do get captivated in there by fighting and there's levels and all this shit we're back in it because it is really the only cardio that any of us i think will stick to i honestly believe because you only need 10 minutes five minutes and you go in there just throw bombs in your entire body my body's exhausted yeah i'm at i had four fights last night whoa okay that's a lot four fights like an iron man well three in the endurance you know i'm getting back into this thing three in the endurance phase which is four phase that's the third one and then one in the outclassed one okay the outclassed one was the last one it was a burner i should have had that one earlier, I think.

Almost died last night on the floor. But I can't say enough good things about the workout that is the Oculus Thrill of the Fight game. Legitimately. Even little baby-ass legs Foxy's in there fighting. That's right. I absolutely love it. I'm only good for two fights, though. Can't do four.

Makes sense. Foxy does a lot of Floyd Mayweather in it. Oh, really? He's dodging? Yeah, a lot of dod Mayweather in it. Oh, really? He's dodging? Yeah, a lot of dodging. Oh, so he's really not even... Because they keep track of all your stats,

how hard you're throwing, how many punches you're throwing, where you're landing, how much power you're landing with. And my stats look drastically different than Foxy's stuff. Foxy's doing a lot of... Yeah, here's the game.

Yeah, there's me knocking... This is the champ, by the way. This guy's the fucking champ. You meet him at the end of every single round. He's tough. This is the guy. He's an Irish guy guy he's a taller guy he has good grit and dexterity but he can't do nothing to the overhand boom oh man night night and you get lost in there

and i don't know what level this was on probably the second level kind of easier there's my trainer in the corner he's been with me since the early days yeah he's been with me since yeah i'm much a referee once i want to yeah because that ref that ref had no idea you know and then they it's always nice at the end in the arena get your hand raised get lost in there i mean it is it's a great game unbelievable time are you knocking people out or not yes i am knocking people out tkos tkos tkos sometimes it's three in one round which is the tko and then the other time is the clean knockout. So you're getting clean knockouts.

Yeah, I'm not a clown like Foxy. There are two hits, Pat. It's me hitting that son of a bitch in the face, that son of a bitch hitting the floor. Okay? Yeah. Feel good about it. I have a one-punch knockout in that game.

It was at the bottom level, and I crow-hopped out of my corner. Yeah. And then just straight dead body. Well, that was right after the Tampa Eagles game, right? You said you started off with the crow-hop. I did crow-hop, but I did not catch it as clean. There's a couple times in that Oculus, though, where I'm working. They have a little training body.

They even have a speed bag in there. They have a focus ball in there. They have a heavy bag in there they have a focus ball in there they have a heavy bag in there that lets you know it's it's it's a lot better when you can box like full go and have zero worry of actually getting punched in the face oh yeah not a bad game i mean i let the hands fly in there and then when you don't have to worry about your wrists or your knuckles or anything when you're punching a heavy bag you can get a lot more work in i think so i go in there and i really i sharpen the axes yeah yeah i have to will that ever carry over in real life like would it carry over in a

i almost want to walk into one of these gyms but it would have to be in a city that isn't indianapolis it would have to be in another city and just say like hey i was wondering if i could spar a little bit so you know i feel like if i walk in any place where they know these motherfuckers gonna try to kill me yeah hey knocked out out Pat McAfee earlier. That happens at Wise and LA Fitnesses whenever I go play pickup basketball. Motherfuckers are trying to go on my head just so they can tell people. It's like, all right. So when I go to a public game, I have to be at a level where it's like, I will get God out here.

And people are trying to get you out here. Just because somebody's recording it and me getting yammed on would be great for somebody to talk shit. So I always have to remember. It's not just me, by the way. It's anybody who is somebody that is actually notable. I mean, I saw Gary Vaynerchuk. Oh, man. He fouled the shit out of a guy.

Big time. I don't know how that didn't end the opposite way. As far as Gary fouling him, I thought Gary potentially dead there because of how those things go. Too much respect for the game. Five times. Five times. Five times. Five times.

Five times. New York Times bestseller. That motherfucker come from the wine warehouse all the way to the goddamn top of... He's got an office in Manhattan. That's just unbelievable. Congrats, Gary. When we saw that video of Pickup Basketball, we thought those were paid actors potentially. That should have been a flight.

Yeah, that's what Pick Up Basketball is. And I would assume that's what the boxing world is as well. You can't just walk in. And I think there's a lot of respect amongst boxing folks. So I think in about three years from now, I'm going to walk into some gym. I think for the next three years, we need to keep all cognitive function at an all-time high.

For at least three years, four years, we have to keep the cognitive function yes at an all-time high for at least three years four years we have to keep the cognitive function high the vitamins are obviously already doing some work and we'll see how that ends up 10 15 20 years from now i think i'll be okay seems like other people have been there but i don't need to be getting battered in the face at this exact time for the good of you know my life and for everybody but at some point it's hard not to when you're boxing in that oculus not to be like this would be pretty sweet actually to kind of stay there now i weigh 240 pounds so i'm fighting francis and gone yeah that's the this weekend that is probably why i will never get into the actual fighting because i mean john bones jones is at a level below my weight class right and these boxers that are just the i would have have to box like Tyson fucking Fury, I think,

if I was to remain right. That ain't going to happen. No way. So that is why the Oculus is beautiful. You look great, Foxy. You look great. Ty, I don't know if you're boxing. I think you're Pelotoning.

Pelotoning, yep. You're crushing it. I'm so proud of everybody. Ed Tone Diggs did 50 bodyweight squats yesterday. Couldn't get off the toilet this morning without taking a shit. Stop. Hey! Let's go.

Hey, I'm proud. I'm proud of this office. I'm proud of everybody. Now, Nick was eating McDonald's cookies yesterday, 9 a.m., a couple McFlurries and everything like that. I'm glad you scumbags finally decided to start taking care of yourself. Okay. Fair enough.

Nick has the body, though, that it doesn't matter. No. Nick's body, just like Foxy's. Foxy's a little bit more wiry than Nick, and Nick's obviously much older than Foxy. So Foxy, I think, is staring at the future whenever he sees Nick's body. But Nick can eat whatever the fuck he wants, and he just remains as wiry. Just kind of loosen the shirt up a little bit, nobody even knows.

Yeah, exactly. And by the way, congrats on that, Nick. Nice job, Nick. You did it, dude. Hey, shout out to Frank, huh? Yeah. Shout out to Frank. Let's go, dude.

A little easy on the Foxy can one day be like, he'll never be as strong as me. He'll never be as fast as me. He can jump a little higher, but he's got a lighter frame. What? So you basically said Foxy is like the bitch-made version of you. Yeah, well said. Hey, Foxy, you don't deserve that.

Foxy's in there getting TKOs in the fifth round. That's right, Foxy. Zito's on to some shit, too. Zito, we're bodyguards. Super Bowl is coming up, and we got four games this weekend. And then we got, obviously, championship weekend, a bye. And then we got the Super Bowl. So we have to enjoy the hell out of this NFL season for what we have left. And the numbers are in for who watched what this past weekend.

And Jesus Christ! Jesus! The NFL is just fucking killing it. Oh yeah, both sides. Now, once again, we have no idea how these numbers are calculated. Okay?

Nobody has a clue. I guess old Nielsen was able to do this back in the day whenever they would tap into everybody's box that was just one particular fashion of watching things. And then they said

that they didn't tap into everybody's box. They tapped into like one out of every hundred to see what they were watching. And then they were able to build whatever the old Nielsen ratings was. And I probably did not do it justice there. Ty, you would know.

You had to study all this. Yeah, no, I think that's pretty accurate. So now there's, I mean, you have 45 different platforms. You have different cable companies. You have YouTube TV. You have Hulu. You have all this stuff. So nobody has any idea.

I mean, maybe they have figured it out. Maybe. It seems like they come out with very confident numbers every single week. But they're all being judged by the same number system. And the NFL is goddamn king. 50.2 million people were watching just the Cowboys-Niners game. That's at its peak, 41.4 average. So that means potentially 100.4

million individual odds saw Dak get deboned by that ref and then end the game that way. And Big Mike the fuck is going on out here? And then that is insanity. Let alone what's about to happen when there's only four games and when there's two

games. It's only going to go up and up and up. But congrats to the nfl for maintaining absolute dominance in a world where there is a fickle fan base for basically everything the nfl is just climbing and yodely yodely yodely yodely and four out of those six games were blowouts yeah so i can't even fathom if we get like chiefs bills on sunday night should be unbelievable crush packers niners the niners have a fan base that has been around a long time they might have got quiet for a bit whenever they stunk but they are nationwide because of how big the niners used to be that niners train used to be a real thing they legit there's i i had friends at west virginia

who grew up in the hills of west virgin. Like, oh, I love Niners. Like, how? Yeah, what? How the fuck do you love the Niners? And then they go through, like, the legacy and, like, everything that they've had and everybody that they've had. And back in the day, what they were able to accomplish in there, their dads loved the Niners.

It's like they're one of those fan bases that I don't think everybody respects as much because it's from the West Coast. And in recent memory, they haven't been as dominant. But the Niners faithful is a fucking real one. You get that and the Packers, just like the Niners and the Cowboys have that same thing. And it's on primetime as opposed to the Cowboys-Niners game that wasn't. I'm interested to see this weekend's numbers. That was going to be huge.

And then the early game on Sunday with L.A. and Tom Brady is going to be huge. And then I think that one on Sunday night is going to break all the records. Chase Bills. Yeah. I think it starts on Sunday night is going to break all the records. Starts at a perfect time too. That is what I wonder about. Packers-Niners is, I think it was Bill's Patriots had the lowest rating of any game over the weekend, and that was the late

night Saturday game. So now you have to dive into it. Is it because Jordan Boyer gave a speech in a defense before the game? So I'm sick of these motherfuckers. It's an end of a fucking era. It was by the way. Oh,

well, everything he said to that group that he definitely didn't think was going to get leaked publicly. Yeah. By the way, these are things that I don't love that are being leaked because now people are going to ask Jordan Boyer. Do you think what you said is just motivation for Bill Belichick

who's been good for 20 years? And there's probably Patriots fans saying, oh, what the fuck does Jordan Poyer know? Jordan's talking to his teammates on the field. And this has been something that's been happening this year. On-field shit talk has been treated as if it was media press conference shit talk. And I guess that's a world that we get in because everything's mic'd up and everybody hears everything.

But I think whenever you get into the confines of a game like there's just some modes that people have to get into and have to go to to be able to perform at the level that they're at jordan poyter come on here laugh you know have a good time super nice guy but it's obvious that whenever he's playing though he flips a switch yeah yeah and he's fucking out there and now forever i'm listen poyter sounded like a dog anyone out there in one there and won. I absolutely loved it. But it also fed a lot of fodder for people that want to talk shit on Poyer, which I'm not sure he was necessarily excited about or even had a thought that they would hear.

Now, he knows that there's cameras everywhere, and he knows that people are mic'd up. But all those things have kind of been selectively chosen on what gets released and what doesn't. That one looked like it was a recording of a camera. I don't even know where that one, I don't know where it came from no idea i don't even know how somebody snuck into nfl films and was able to record it and let that thing once again poyer looked like a fucking dog yeah they went out there and won but i didn't expect that type of thing it was edited too so

is it going to be on the uh paramount show? And that's interesting that they're choosing. It's from the Bills website. Oh, the Bills put that out? That's awesome. That is fucking amazing then. So the Bills are like, yeah, we're a bunch of dogs. You guys are fucking power rating. Well, probably not.

That is awesome. I mean, definitely not. End of an era. I don't know if I go that far. We have a rookie quarterback. Maybe last year was the end of an era of dominance. No, you guys lost by 30. We lost by 30.

That's what I was going to say about the ratings. People probably turned that game off in the first goddamn quarter because it was over pretty early. But I am pumped for these. How about the Bills putting that out? That's awesome. I mean, that is amazing. That's sweet.

And they know their team going forward is basically the team that they have right now. They're not losing really anybody. And we're going to play a team two times a year. At least. Maybe three. With these goddamn wild card games. Yeah, legit with seven fucking teams getting in there. I'm so pumped for the Bills that they put that out.

That's awesome. That is really cool. Because they definitely asked Jordan, hey, do you mind if we put this out here? Jordan's like, let me watch it for a second. Yeah, yeah. Pretty fucking cool. Well, because this happened when the Bills played at the Patriots where it was like in-game, post-game, like trash talk.

That wasn't meant to get leaked. Oh, Josh Allen in the – yeah, right now. Who do they think this was or whatever? Yeah, and they're leaking it out there. Yeah, so it was one of those things where I also didn't think it was the Bills putting it out because it looked like it was someone recording it. Recording a screen. Oh, yeah, on the screen.

And then the NFL put one out that you put on your Twitter yesterday of Poyer, but it was him talking about, like, Josh Allen. I'm so glad Josh Allen's on our team. That is normally the shit that gets out. Yes, exactly. Not that type of shit, which is sweet that they're doing it. And this is exactly why stuff like Hard Knocks has kind of changed because you get this from the teams because they can record all this stuff and then, I guess, selectively put it out, but they need to just start putting everything out.

I would like to let everybody know that I do love that this is the way the NFL is going. Oh, yeah. Morax never would have expected it. As long as, and you said this, and we've said as long as what you started this conversation with is we don't see a fucking headline out there in the morning that

says is what jordan boyer said going to ruin the bill's chance yeah bulletin board material for bill bell it will be talked about this off season it'll be talked about this off season for sure did what jordan poyer said before that wild card game motivate bill belichick or robert craft to make a decision that'll be absolutely quoted. And it's like that shit's been being talked by a lot of people in those pregame huddles when it's just the individual position groups or the secondary or the D-line or the linebacker. The shit that's being said in those,

these dudes are getting ready to go run their faces into people. And there's some people that aren't necessarily like, hey, let's go have fun out there. There is an attitude and a mindset that comes with that. I'm going to fuck these motherfuckers. A lot of, yeah. Exactly. There's probably some for the Patriots,

but we're not going to see it because they got their fucking asses beat. But we did see you guys dancing on the – Do that before every single game. Well, yeah, right there on Bill's field. Look at these cocky motherfuckers over there. Do it before every game. We did it before the windy game as well, which obviously you can look back and say it was a fluke. Dude, I love that the NFL is putting that type of shit out.

That's a big-time change, especially because they're getting into digital streaming now that isn't necessarily FCC-warranted. Now, they did mute it. They did put stars in there. But it was real clear. He said motherfucker a couple times. Now, they did mute it. They did put stars in there. But it was real clear. He said motherfucker a couple times. Yeah, exactly. There's one thing, but when they chose to put this out, and it's very evident, like, oh yeah, he said fuck in this

like five or six times. And that was their decision to put it out. Star, star, star, star. It should be able to let it fly anyways. It's the internet. But I do wonder what Bill said to the Bills after the game. It should be allowed. We it fly anyways it's the internet but i do wonder what bill said to uh the bill by the way yeah like it should be allowed we understand what football and everybody's on the internet yes okay everybody's on the internet so this was there's some sports networks that are you know starting and everything like that sure and they are fcc regulated networks but they don't

have like sport rights yeah so you're just basically an internet show that has to be regulated by the fcc with certain commercial breaks you're not allowed to say anything it's like in the world that we live in and i would assume the fcc is going to have to adapt at some point these networks are gonna have to be like hey everybody on earth knows that fuck is a word like the internet is just the adults have kind of taken over and kids are hearing this and i don't know i'm not a parent okay i got a couple dogs four cats shot but a couple starfish i learned about yeah and some other stuff crazy you know but what happened to like and i think it's happening now because kids are seeing everything on the internet

i'm not allowed to say that word like you're not allowed to say that word yet. And I think that is always, like, the angle whenever people are like, that's why the FCC is the way it is. Well, we can't make kids think it's cool to say this word. It's like, well, when I was a kid, I heard the word, thought it was cool. And I knew when I was allowed to say it, when I wasn't allowed to say it. Now, my dad was a truck driver. So people can obviously, my dad, not a big time time swear but i would drop a fuck every once in a while as a kid it wasn't like hey you're not allowed to say that it's like hey when you're in

company of people don't disrespect them like you are not old enough to say that yet and people hear me now and they probably think i'm an incredibly foul mouthed person but then they go on the internet and they're like oh this is how everybody fucking talks yes this is how the real world is as opposed to what we've been trying to put uh picture of the fairytale land that exists. And the Internet has kind of exposed that to everybody. Kids see it every single day. Kids see more videos with the word fuck in it than they see any FCC-regulated thing ever in the history of anything. So I like that the NFL is potentially adapting a little bit, that there might be a little bit of a different time.

They don't have to hear Jordan Poyer say it, but at least in reality, we know that it is being said and this is something that's happening. I like that. That's good news for the future, I think, and that's good news for content as a whole,

I think, for everybody. Yeah, I mean, it's just that, you know, not everything caters to everybody. And you think back to like... That's hilarious. The situation you're...

I mean, if you said fuck or whatever around someone and like my dad or like my mom heard it, like, yeah, exactly. Like, the point got across very quickly like hey you don't fucking do that shit you know like when you're with your friends you can say whatever the fuck you want but when yeah exactly like not everything is meant to

be for everyone and especially with football like kids know like it's violent you see injuries like that you know there's some stuff that goes along with the game that isn't for everybody. But there are a lot of people who do enjoy that type of shit. This is good news because, and this is us thinking from a selfish standpoint. I always just assumed that the NFL would never allow us to be, like, work with them. Closely associated with it. Because we do swear and it's much different than it. But I am a former player. I played a long time.

We have a lot of former players on here who do the same exact thing and speak the same way. And in buildings across the NFL. This is very casual compared to what is being said in practices and everywhere like that. So I like the... Hey, Bills, if you guys keep putting those out, keep putting those out, it'd be great for everybody.

It'd be great for content as a whole. Remember, whenever the last dance happened, they put it on ESPN, they just let it eat? Yes. Did the world burn down? I don't know. Well, I guess not. Inotty pippen's world it was kind of already burning at that point yeah well i'm not talking about scotty pippen scotty pippen by the way is on the record saying he and michael jordan similar almost better yeah yeah but he hates michael jordan it sure seems like just by what he's putting out his book that's coming out. It feels like it, right? Yeah, he definitely thinks that he should get a little more credit. Listen, Scottie Pippen, he hit a pitching wedge from about 195 yards.

I dunked it on me in a golf tournament in which I walked out with one of these. That's right. And he didn't. So the thought of our relationship with Scottie, we had a great time with Scottie Pippen. That's right. And he didn't. So the thought of our relationship with Scotty. We had a great time with Scotty. Best blood he's ever had. Took some shots with him. Shotgun with him. Took some shots with him.

Hanged out and golfed with him. He beat me. I was told he was a terrible golfer. And I was being told that by people that are scratch golfers. Sandbagged. We ended up in that casino way too well god i mean you you got maybe 45 minutes of sleep before you had the tea early tea off yeah hey first group sorry scott yeah you're going first there's no cameras you and scotty just kind of got to get

out of the way and uh scotty's terrible by the way don't worry about you two you guys are battling it out or whatever it's like and then when he, he's going to go play blackjack with Post Malone. Yeah, on the other side. You can't come in. Yeah, you're not allowed in. We weren't allowed in. I think we could have if we really wanted to. But we did. We go to walk in and it's, no, thank you, or something. It's like, all right. Fair enough.

I get it. All right. This dealer over here is about to get tipped out pretty large and we're just going to need all the drinks that you got, Rock. But anyway, was very nice guy i did not expect you know the contention between he and mj and i think it all started with the last dance and scotty was portrayed and then probably behind the scenes stuff he has felt like maybe abandoned in certain times i don't know it just feels like that's what it is and if it's all to move a book and he's just playing a character good on him but there's a lot of clips leaking into the internet it's like oh come on i didn't want that to happen but scotty

does his own fucking thing we all know that yeah and after the last dance like you said i mean i'm sure him and jordan kind of had a point where jordan's like all right well i don't fuck with this dude anymore so i'm sure that relationship has basically deteriorated so it's like all right well you know i might as well get my shit out while I can. By the way, Scotty, pretty good golfer. Oh, yeah. Just needs to be, like, we were lied to. Big time. We were like, and I think I played pretty good golf. You did.

He shot four over. Dale Curry said, you know, Scotty shot 105 yesterday. Came out and shot an 83. It's like, good God. That was my first golf round of the year. Championship pin location, too. An hour of sleep. It was awesome.

I mean, me just acting like I could do that. Quite ignorant. Wow. I mean, we were pretty cavalier around there. Everybody was dialed in. They had their pre-round routines they were doing. There was people on the drive. Yeah, but you were built for the partner golf setup because you didn't need to.

It's like, hey. Yeah, like a scramble situation. Hey, guess what? I'm not going to be that great, but I'm going to get one out there. I'm going to get you a ball out there. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to hit one far. I'm probably going to hit a good chip at one point.

Get that flop shot. I'll bury a putt at some point. Right. I'm a good scramble golfer at the moment. But at that tournament, these dudes are out golfing like 36 holes a day. Oh, yeah. These motherfuckers were golfing. This became their full-time jobs.

I'm like, what do you do? Well, I go over to the club, get a full stretch in, and then I hit the range, and then we play 18, and then we watch film, we have lunch, and then we play another 18 in the afternoon, and then I go and pick up the kids from school, and then we have an entire afternoon. I'm like, when do you do that? Every day.

Holy shit. I haven't picked up these gloves in three years. We're playing against each other. Oh, great. Sounds good. Should be fun. But I do feel like I held my own a little bit in there. Got some points.

Got one of these. Scotty Pippen was a very good guy. It needs to be on the record that Scotty Pippen's a good fucking golfer. Yeah. And Del Curry lied right to our face. Del Curry also made me putt out, what, a foot and a half putt. Wow. Because he had seen all the brouhahs that I had had.

It was hot, too. You're battling the elements. I damn near passed out on that final round. Well, that's because you were boozed up for 72 straight outs. Hell yeah. You and Ty, no beer left behind on the entire island. That's right. By the way, drain the putt Del made me do.

And then a couple holes later made me do like a three foot one did rim out on it nick and ty i i heard foxy couldn't find his room for three days well yeah ty then pulled a foxy the next night yeah there's a big casino huge maze tough to get around ended up in the bowels of that place yeah we really were actually walking around the bottom of that place. That's one of those things that is really cool about being like just a punter. You know, because you get grossly overpaid and nobody

has a clue who you are. So like I got a chance to go to a lot of events and I had you know, the freedom to do whatever and nobody would bother me at all. It's so much fun where you can just fucking go through a casino. Nobody has a clue who you are. Hey, I'd like to bet $5,000 on this blackjack. Who are you?

Don't worry about it. I need you to get me. Don't worry about it. No, we're going to go down to this club. We'd like to, yeah, we can just get that whole area up there. That'll be, yeah. Yeah, sounds good. That'll be fun, yeah.

Are we bored here? Yeah, let's go over here and do that. And then you've got people that are walking around, like J.R. Smith was walking around there, super cool, but he had to have, like, security around him. Oh, yeah. He was just post Malone, had zero walking around like J.R. Smith was walking around there. Super cool. But he had to have like security. Oh, yeah. He was just Post Malone had zero room to go anywhere. Right.

Like, oh, this guy with all the tats on his face. Oh, that's Post Malone. He can't do anything. That was a great weekend. Oh, yeah. That was a fucking great weekend. All-timer. Man.

Is that going to happen again? I hope so. They better do a better justice with the television of that thing. Yeah. The amount of cuts. If we're going to do the? I hope so. They better do it better justice with the television and that thing. Yeah. The amount of time if we're going to do the golf thing. Oh, yeah. Well, he's got a lot of other shit to figure out. Hey, Aaron, a couple quick questions.

You're on the Packers next year? Yeah. And are we golfing? Bahamor? Or what's going on? What are we doing? What do we got going on? Huh? That was a good time.

Yeah. I don't know if we'll ever get a time like that again. Yeah. I mean, it really was. Legendary. Yeah. I don't know if we'll ever get a time like that again. Yeah. I mean, it really was. Legendary. Yeah, it sounds awesome. Straight ripper for 72 hours right when we got on that plane in Miami. Three hours.

Yeah. Three hours waiting on the plane because the shitter broke. Right next to Ty's seat. The shitter broke. They had to pump that. That was awesome. Glory days. Glory days.

Inside jokes are funny. Everybody's probably loving watching this right now. Sorry it it's fucking wednesday dude yeah wednesday without any games during the week we got colleen wolf coming in the second hour can't wait to chat with her aj hawk will be here chuck pagano will be in the third hour and i believe right now joining us is a man who's a stanley cup champion a guy who is a co-host of that's hockey talk you see him on NHL Network. You hear him on SiriusXM, NHL. That's Hockey Talk, by the way, the hockey podcast that comes out of this particular office,

is happening tonight at 8 o'clock at youtube.com forward slash that's hockey talk. Nick will be live from his bedroom, one in which the light turns off every single week. Gumpy will be right in the middle of the Thunderdome watching every single sport in every single game that exists. And this guy will be sitting on a futon in front of some window or drum set being a Stanley Cup champion, an absolute electric factory, six foot six Cleveland, Ohio hockey superstar, Mike Rupp. Cleveland, Ohio. Hockey superstar, Mike Rupp. Yeah, Ruppers!

What's up, dude? What's up, fellas? Hey, I just want to let you know. Hey, great. We have a trend of like four out of the last five guests on this show have called from a car. That's been happening as of late. Are you on the side of the road right now? Are you in a parking lot? Where are you? Hey, am I frozen right now? Are you in a parking lot? Where are you?

Hey, am I frozen right now? No, this guy's stuck Call him back, Tito He must be in Saskatoon, huh? I think he's probably driving up to the NHL now Up there in Jersey Manitoba? I don't think it's Manitoba Saskatchewan?

Saskatchewan? Hey, there's a beast that walks around those lands Listen, you fuck around in Saskatchewan? Saskatchewan? It's all right. Hey, there's a beast that walks around those lands. Listen, you fuck around in Saskatchewan, you might run into a Brock Lesnar somewhere. That guy. Don't get lost. He's actually, I think he actually lives in Saskatchewan. I don't know, but I think, you know, on TV, I just scream,

straight out of Saskatchewan. And nobody has corrected me at all. I think he is just up there living maybe in the wild. While his Bigfoot sightings are up there. Call him back, Zito. Call him back. It's blurry. Gross.

Must be way out there. Classic Cleveland. How are the Penguins doing? We're fucking great. Let's go around all the teams. How are the Golden Knights doing? Stinking. No, no, no, no, no.

Yep, Stoners died. And a little bit of a schneid right now, but hey, still top the fucking division. We're number seven in ESPN's power rankings. Yeah, nobody gives a fuck about ESPN's power rankings in hockey until at least a year from now. Well, they're showing zero games on TV for about five of the first six months of their network thing there. I mean, is Barry Melrose giving the rankings or who? His name was on there. Okay, well, maybe I believe it.

Fair enough. Maybe I believe it. Then maybe they should be a little bit lower. The Blackhawks stink. Red Wings are in the AHL. Dallas Stars are from Texas. And the Boston Bruins are the worst team in hockey. They lost 21-1 last night.

We did lose 7-1, but we're okay. We're right next to the Penguins in the wildcard spot in the Eastern Conference, Pat. Don't you worry. We're both making the playoffs right now, okay? No, you're losing 7-1. You're going the wrong way. We're going north. Tuca just got back.

Let him get his cement out of his skates one time, boys. Why would you bring back a quitter, dude? He quit on you in the playoffs. He had a child during COVID, Tony. Give the guy a break. Just real quick, though. Who's your team? Penguins, dude.

What are you talking about? I thought it was the Kraken guy over here. No, I had a beef on the internet with someone. They didn't know it was happening, but I've since muted that person, so they're not in my brain anymore and back to the pens. What are you talking about? What?

What does double M do to you, Tony? There's a certain guy on the internet who talks a lot of Shields and Steelers. I know who his favorite team is, so I couldn't support them during that time. All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. So soft. Just so soft. And what's wrong with that?

How come we didn't get an update that you're back on the Penguins train, by the way? I've been talking about it. I know the last couple times I've seen you dipping your toes on our side of the That's Hockey talk, which is the same conversation every single time. And you guys have stunk the entire season.

You lost 7-1. Who are right next to the Pets? Vegas Golden Knights stink. Blackhawks stink. Detroit Red Wings, terrible. Kick them out of the league, Doug. I agree. And Dallas Stars, I don't even want to fucking talk about it.

Madonna's not coming through those doors. Tony did change his fandom back to the Penguins after the crack and lost nine straight. Oh, Tony. Tony. Hey, whatever your reason, Tony. We know that. I just told you my full reason. I mean, that's a better reason than the other reason he gave.

Yeah, because he didn't even get the person's name of the other reason. He said it. Connor said it was. Yeah, yeah. It's double M? Yeah, he's going up against a super genius. He doesn't want to say something and have him picked out through his brain. Hold on.

Double M likes the Seattle Kraken? No, no, no, no. He hates the Pittsburgh Steelers. So if you hate theburgh steelers and your favorite team is pittsburgh penguins you know i can't there was an issue there so what you guys have resolved this issue i just muted them yeah so it's not in your life anymore correct yeah so that double m does have a gripe then with tone for the muting or the banning of it not for me i. I mean, granted, we need to get Double M back on here and talk good Penguins hockey. That needs to happen.

I didn't like there for a bit. You know, he was telling people that we banned him because we don't ban people from the show. No way. Especially Double M, a guy that I've listened to basically since I was a teenager for a long, long time. Joining us now, is he back? Okay.

That would have been good to know there. Well, you probably told me when I was in the middle of a rant talking about the Red Wings stink. Well, I mean, Tony's from Pittsburgh and doesn't even like his hockey team. That would never happen in Detroit, Michigan. There's a lot of people that have quit on the Red Wings, I assume, up in Detroit. Joining us now is the man who's the Stanley Cup champion for the

Devils, ladies and gentlemen, Mike Ross. Yeah! Damn. Oh my gosh. Is this any better? That's great. What'd you do? Move the other side of the fucking parking lot, Paul? I did. I look like I'm frozen again. Oh, alright.

See you, Ruppert. We'll see you tonight on That's Hockey Talk. See you tonight on That's Hockey Talk, Ruppert. Good luck, Ruppert. We'll get to a break. We'll be back on the other side. We gotta run around some tweets. Man, I was really looking forward to me too i know this show this show it's your show call it in yeah let's huh

bruce is fine fifty thousand dollars oh for smacking that guy tom pelissero is reporting that arian says he was trying to prevent a penalty by smacking safety Andrew Adams in the helmet and elbowing him. Instead, a rare fine from the NFL for a coach's actions with his own player. The Bucs have fined him $50,000 for his actions on Sunday. Okay, that's interesting. Are they going to start looking into like all practice incidents too now granted him that was egregious i mean when he was on camera he was shown in slow motion

and i i love that andrew adams like looked at him was like what the fuck are you doing you know in that whole situation be who you can afford to be there's a lot of coaches in the nfl that cannot walk up to their safety and smack them right in the head without potential on site right there or feel comfortable enough to do that. So I think B.A. and his players probably have a little bit different relationship than most places. I was in a building that B.A. was interim head coach and offensive coordinator of for one year, and the amount of shit he talked to the defense and the shit he talked amongst the locker room was the first time I'd really experienced that with a coach who felt like he was just as competitive

or in the same exact mindset as most players playing in the game so that's kind of BA's entire mantra but he knows he can't just be smacking people in the fucking head on tv especially when there's 30 million people watching and it's a playoff game he got excited though almost blew out his Achilles fully in the middle of that whole thing imagine he blows his Achilles out and gets fineed 50 grand. He won't care because, hey, that's football, baby. Just want to fuck the Super Bowl. Yeah, is that why they fine him that much? Because they're like, man, this guy's got a ruptured Achilles

and he's given this much effort just to smack his own player in the head? What would he have done if his Achilles was fully intact? That's what the NFL is asking. That makes sense then because before that, I got a problem with it. Maybe chopped his spinal cord. You don't like it because the players should have uh you think i mean the coach was trying to help his team win yeah that's coaching i mean it's football we were just talking about it i mean it was quite a guy's wearing a helmet i agree and there's actually a trend i guess i saw

sports center tweeted sports center has become just a clips account on instagram by the pretty good pretty good clips account shout out to to Omar. But there's a game where a bunch of, it was like a trend or something and I'm not on the TikTok so it might be over there and this might be, you know, old man on front yard but you put a helmet down, you sit down and there's like five people and people are just smacking

the helmet and the person has to guess who smacked them and if they guess the person right that person puts on the helmet and then around, around, around we go smacking people right in the fucking head. So, I mean, there is a helmet and a layer of protection, and it is barehanded. But I don't think an NFL coach should be publicly smacking, privately or publicly smacking a player, which is probably what the NFL is saying in this. $50,000 seems to be a lot.

I mean, he's, there, yeah. There's a shoulder shove he could have done. Exactly. A shoulder shove could have done the entire thing. I think him going to the head is probably why. And his thing in the NFL is saying, hey, it's 2022. Targeting. We are not doing it. If this guy gets CTE

because of you punching him in the middle of this thing, and we have to pay a lawsuit, he can't have it. So I think it's a precedent setter from the NFL. NBA knows he can't be giving left fucking crosses to a guy's helmet in the middle of a goddamn game. My distinction is if he came off the field and, like, it was a penalty, and he smacked him that hard in the helmet, then I wouldn't be okay with it.

But it was kind of like during the middle of the play, during the heat, like, get away from him. So you don't get a penalty, I'm okay with it. Yeah, just a shot to the head. If it's a shoulder pad, I don't think it's a big deal. If he grabs them up, I don't think it's a big deal. Depending upon how the player reacts, by the way. Because if the player goes into

a press conference afterwards and goes, I cannot believe that the coach was allowed to do what he did to me, then it's an entire thing. Andrew Adams didn't do that, obviously. Impossible to do that, I think. Because it is your coach, it is the playoffs. It is bruce aarons you are the superbowl champions there's a lot of eyes on you and andrew adams probably didn't give what bruce is wild dude you see yeah he hit me in the fucking head he hits him in the shoulder i don't think it's a big deal but this

is the nfl definitely saying this shit that we can't do this it happening right after antonio brown's whole thing though like what if that guy did actually you know do the whole throw his pads go up to the podium after the game and you know kind of go on a little bit of a run there I mean it definitely shows you that the players at least like him because he didn't turn around and smack BA in the face so and that's a very difficult spot for Andrew Adams yeah you know you kind of just have to take it which is another thing the NFL probably said you're in a position of power right in which Andrew Adams cannot tell you to go fuck yourself because you're making decisions and this can't become a norm around

the NFL. I do like to see the old man still got a little fire. A little juice. A little juice in there. Him left cross with the open hand. You see his right hand too. He might be in that Oculus. Because he can't move.

He's probably just got the stationary. He's probably just in with two. He might be in that Oculus. Yeah. Because he can't move, you know, so he's probably just got the stationary. He's probably just in there boxing. Host of the Coach Us Up Chuck segment every Wednesday, ladies and gentlemen, head coach Chuck Pagano. Hey, Chuck! How's the family, Chuck? How's the family? The family's good.

Yeah, Gabagool pretty good over there, huh? How about you and your Italian rhetoric? I mean, when you go off and tone, tone digs just getting upset. I mean, it's pretty disrespectful, Chuck. Gabagool, that plays out. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. What are we doing?

No, no, no. I'm Italian. I'm allowed to do that. Thank you, Chuck. No, no. I used to do this, okay? You just did it. You just did it. No, but now I'm Italian. I took a to do that. Thank you, Chuck. No, no. I used to do this, okay? You just did it. You just did it. No, but now I'm Italian. I took a 23 and me. I took a 23 and me

and they told me I was Italian. Listen, when I was doing this as a kid, okay, wasn't right. Highly offensive. Yeah, but I was Italian when I was doing it then, too. I just didn't know it at the time. So I guess the intent was potentially to be a little bit rude. But now it's just, I'm Italian. That's how we talk, Chuck. Hey. I think you're probably

more according to 23 and me you're more italian than i am no well really you think that's all fugues you think it's all fugues huh fugazolini's whoa that's unbelievable uh chuck let's get into another fellow italian like you and me you know um obviously not aj he has no idea about rhythm i would never claim to be something I'm not like you're doing. Whoa. Disrespectful to Chuck and the Italians. Oh, you're not back in science. You don't understand. Fauci's science, isn't he, Connor?

What's that? What do we do? What do we do? Listen, we gotta get past that, Chuck. Sorry, trying to get Connor involved. Hey, listen, we gotta keep the blinders. We gotta keep this thing going here. Chuck, Richie Bisacci is getting interviewed by the Raiders.

Ten weeks he was the head coach. They saw him in meetings. They saw him in practices. They saw his messaging. They got a chance to see it. Now, Mayock's gone, obviously. So he was probably a little bit more around day-to-day than Davis was. Do you think this is just showcasing to the players and the fans, like,

hey, we're giving them a shot? Or do you think Richie has a chance to really keep that job because it feels like everybody loves him over there Chuck yeah everything uh you're hearing out of there sure uh seems to lean uh you know towards Rich and sometimes that can that can be good and sometimes that can be you know the owner Mark could take that as you know what I'm going to do what I want to do and he's getting you know all the players and everybody in the building and, you know, everybody that knows Rich has probably reached out, you know, on his behalf. But I think he's, you know, more than earned an opportunity, you know, to be the head football coach there. I mean, navigating the waters that he navigated through the course of all the circumstances that happened there

with John being let go and then Henry Ruggs' situation. He's just done a phenomenal job. You hear a bunch of the players, Max Crosby I think was the last one that I read come out on Rich's behalf. Remember, Mayock's not there anymore, but remember Mike said this is probably the best leader when he first had me. He said this is one of the best leaders I've ever been around, leaders of men. And I think that's where everybody's missing the boat on these things because you can hire offensive guys, defensive guys, best teams guys,

but at the forefront, face your franchise, I mean, you need a leader of men, guys, best teams guy, but at the forefront, face your franchise. I mean, you need a leader of men, a guy that can, you know, obviously, you know, lead that locker room and motivate guys and get guys to play for them, all that kind of things. And that team certainly did, you know, especially, especially down the stretch. So I think, you know, Rich has paid his dues in this league for a long, long time. And we've seen, you know, guys get opportunities and not do, you know, a third or a quarter of what he's done to earn that, you know, an opportunity to be the head coach there. And I think you do a great, great job. And plus, you don't, you know, the turnover, hire a whole new staff, another offense, another defense, pay two staffs, you know, a lot of those guys are under contract for a lot more years.

So I don't, you know, I don't know if I'd go down that road. I think they've seen enough there, at least from the outside looking at it. We don't know because we're not, you know, in the building day to day. But you would certainly think that whatever you're hearing and what you saw on tape, what you saw, you know, every week throughout the remainder of that season when he got named the interim, that he's done a hell of a job. So you think the Gobble Ghoul is potentially staying over there, huh? Yeah, I mean, you can read into whatever you want to read into, you know,

with the Mayock, you know, firing and then, you know, teams reached out and talked to some different guys and interviewed some different guys. Maybe they're just doing, you know, their due diligence and, you know, teams reached out and talked to some different guys and interviewed some different guys. Maybe they're just doing, you know, their due diligence. And, you know, maybe they have to follow the same protocols, you know, as everybody else when you fire a football coach. You know, regardless whether you have an interim or not, you still got to go through a process. Chuck, I don't know if you saw a couple weeks back when Dean Pease,

D coordinator for the Falcons, came out and made a three-minute thing talking to the reporters about paying his dues and it's all about relationships. And yeah, there's all these play callers out there that get hired, but they don't know how to interact with their players and take care of them. And he loves teaching, coaching everyone

one-on-one, day-to-day. Do you think, are we going to see a swing? Because right now it does seem like some people think, oh, this guy's a great play caller. He's going to be a great head coach. And that's not always the case like are we going to find a balance between these play callers and people that are culture builders like leaders of people like how do you find that fine balance yeah it's uh it's a great question and i think you're spot on with it because you know we've seen some guys get put into these positions that um you know it's one thing if you

got 20 year resume like like Bill Belichick up in New England and you can kind of be who Bill is you know and we all look from the outside in saying you know he's you know do your job that's their that's their culture you know and you play do well, you coach well, you get to stay. And if not, you're out. And, you know, the relationship part of it, not necessarily what perception is that it's not there. But yeah, I think you definitely have to have a guy that can relate to these players. You know, you have to be relatable. You have to be able to communicate. You have to be able to, you know, build relationships, more importantly, have to be relatable. You have to be able to communicate. You have to be able to, you know, build relationships. More importantly, want to build relationships. Because, again, you can put all the pieces around a guy to help him be successful players and assistant coaches.

But if you don't have that guy out in front, you know, and it's everybody in the organization. You know, they spend time building the whole thing and making everybody feel, you know, important. Every one of their jobs and their roles is significant, you know, in the team's success. So I would certainly hope to see a shift. You know, everybody, again, when Sean McVay was first hired at 31 years old or whatever, I know he's only, what, 35 years old? Yeah. He's done a hell of a job. at 31 years old or whatever. I know he's only, what, 35 years old? Yeah, crazy. He's done a hell of a job, but I think that was kind of like, okay, the model, let's go find the next Sean McVay.

And sometimes that's like trying to find a needle in a haystack, so to speak. But that certainly seems to see, you see the young guys, you see the Zach Taylors, you see Brandon Staley, who's a young guy um you know uh seems to be a relatable guy guy that can communicate build relationships um but I think a guy like Rich going back to him he he's one of those guys that obviously understands people knows how to communicate um knows how to relate knows how to you knows how these young players think today

and how they learn. That's all part of the deal, but I think so, yeah. Italians have always had, and I'm speaking for us here, Italians have always had great ties to Las Vegas. That's right. I mean, great ties to Las Vegas. Basaccia leading the Raiders over there would be a glorious thing. We'll keep an eye out for that. There's a lot of conversations

about hiring GM and coach at the same time. You're obviously a part of that alongside Grigson the first time. And then when Grigson gets let go, you're around with Chris Ballard. Did Jim Irsay try to sit you guys in a room and say like, hey, can you get along? How are they doing this? And isn't everybody going to lie just to get the job that they like people isn't that like a pretty difficult thing to not get trapped into doing in those situations for instance the bears right now uh they're interviewing for a gm first and then a coach allegedly but then b flow gets announced before any gms it's just you know who knows what's real and then everybody's talking about them sitting in the same how do you figure that out and did you guys do that when Chris Ballard,

did you and Chris Ballard do that after you were already a head coach for some years and he was coming in? And how did Jim Irsay view that? Does he just have a camera on it? Like, how does that whole thing work? Yeah, so, like, when I interviewed, you know, at Indy, it was, you know, Ryan had reached out and, you know, it was Jim, you know, for the first hour and Ryan was sitting in there. And then Ryan and I spent time together. But as you know, Jim did most of the talking in that first hour, hour and a half, you know, and, you know, which was which was phenomenal.

You know, and then, you know, Ryan, I had a chance to talk and then Pete Ward, Dan Emerson and so forth. And I was I was out of there. But I think the blueprint is kind of like, you know, Jim always talked about the three pillars, the owner, the GM and the head coach. That's that's the three pillars and that connection and how, you know, every every, you know, especially the head coach and GM got to be in lockstep so most of the power is kind of like owner and then the GM and then head coach and I think more times than not there's usually a GM in place you know and he does along with the owner the interview process and whoever else they've enlisted you know you see Bill Polian you know helping out you know, helping out, you know, in Chicago. So they're going to get some old heads and the same list. Everybody has the

same list, but usually it was GM in place. And then he goes through the interview process with the head coaches. And then I think during that whole process, you know, it's a filling out thing. You know, when I, after, after I was out in 18, I got to interview at Green Bay before they hired LeFleur. And then I got to interview, you know, with the Broncos, you know, for the, for head job there. And so there's a feeling out, you know, portion there. So, you know, I think they have more guys in the room now, you know, where you got a player engagement guy guy maybe in the room, a VP of diversity and inclusion. So you've got a bunch of different people in the room that once the interview's over and the head coach leaves the building, then they can circle the wagons and get together and say, hey, you know, personality-wise, like, I can't get along with that dude.

I mean, I've been watching this guy. He's a good football coach. But I just don't think our personalities, you know, are going to match. Or it's going to be like, you know, one guy is going to pop and maybe the other guys pop a little bit. But, like, you know, they'll get information from all those different things and see, okay, this guy is a fit. This guy is the exact opposite of what we just had and why things were so screwed up.

He's got the character traits we're looking for, the football acumen, the football IQ. He's got empathy. He can relate to people. He relates to everybody on this deal. So they're going to get together, and the owner can be in on those, obviously, and see the communication between the GM and the head coach, and then they'll go from there. How about whenever Ballard came in?

Because you're already there. Ballard's going to be your boss, kind of. He's going to be the one that is a little bit higher than you in the power tree there. Did Jim say, hey, you got to get along with. I mean, Chris is a guy that I think everybody gets along with. But was it like a message like, hey, this is going to be the guy? Or was your thoughts or inputs even a part of that conversation? And what would have happened if Chris Bauer shows up and he just dunks on you every single day of your life?

Like that had to be at least a thought it for a moment I'd assume no that was that was easy easy transition just for the you know things you just talked about because you know he is a relatable guy he doesn't have an uh an ego you know he came in and all he did was you know want to try to give us everything that he possibly could to help us help us win and navigate through the things that we had to navigate you know, want to try to give us everything that he possibly could to help us win and navigate through the things that we had to navigate, you know, never having a quarterback. But those conversations were really good. You know, they brought in like probably four or five, like everybody else, a bunch of candidates. George Payton, who's now with the Broncos, he was one

of the guys that Indy interviewed back during that process. And so I got to sit down with these guys. And I think I was actually maybe at the Senior Bowl with Jimmy Ray was the assistant GM there during Ryan's tenure. We were down at the Senior Bowl and I think Chris and I got on the phone and had a conversation. And then I think when I went back to the building, we had another conversation. But no, that was, that was easy. That was an easy transition, you know, with him coming in there, you know, he's an over communicator. So he's around, you know, he's around. So he loves talking to coaches. He's a former coach, you know, that's where he cut his teeth was, was in coaching you know as a player

obviously and then coach so he gets it and he understands it so that that was a that was an easy transition I'm not going to say all of them you know work out um you know to and and the writing was probably on the wall uh you know when he came in there I was in year six of my deal and whatnot just went south and you know you know much like 11 the reason I got interviewed and had a chance at the job you know Jimmy Caldwell who you guys been talking about a lot you know especially in this next cycle of uh of jobs and coaches you know he was a really good coach when when Peyton was under center you know and you know just like myself everybody thought I was pretty good coach when Andrew was, you know,

you, you know, I think we all know and we've talked about ad nauseum that, you know, most important pieces is that quarterback. And when you don't have one, it's really, really hard. I'm happy to hear that about Chris and at least you had those conversations because there's a lot of places trying to figure that out right now where the head coach and the GM position is open. And that's not easy. I mean, people try to put together in all walks of life,

whether it's like board members or shows, try to just throw people together and like, ah, just fucking make it work. You're both good. But there's a human element to that thing as well. If you really want to succeed. And I feel like some teams get caught in a cycle of not worrying about that they're just thinking of the x and o's and it's like nah people have to be able to come together and work i'm excited and thankful for you sharing your experience so that we're talking to chuck pagano former head coach of the indianapolis colts

defense coordinator for the bears the ravens browns you got to you because of wyoming what he was a fucking hard hit and safety safety, too. Oh, I bet. Hey, he was packing his lunch every single time he got in there. Chuck, whenever you think about some of these coaching experts, for instance, Cliff Kingsbury. Let's talk about Cliff. Cliff is one of these young coaches who I think we all enjoy. I think we all think he's incredibly cool.

He got a position that none of us thought he would get, especially after his career at Texas Tech. He's a USC offense coordinator. Then, holy shit, you're the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. He buys a drug lord's house in Arizona. He's the coolest looking guy of all time. He's got Kyler Murray. They weren't great, and then they get better and better.

And then towards the back half of the season, it seems like they don't have as much success. What can you attribute that to? Do you think this is just growing pains and that they're going to be great in the future or do you think there's really something to like defensive coordinators and teams figuring out what you got and that's why later in the year it's a lot harder to play football no I think absolutely they they figure out especially within the within your division you know playing twice twice a year but yeah I mean he's done a great job you know you look at it the record's improved you know, playing twice, twice a year. But yeah, I mean, he's done a great job.

You know, you look at it, the record's improved, you know, every, every year, you know, since he's been there and they've had this, this fall off. And we talked a little bit about it and I, you know, listen to Aaron's comments a little bit about, you know, he talked about, you know, a belief, you know, a team getting hot, you getting hot this time of year, injuries. There's so many things that can factor in. Just going back to schematics, them figuring you out. You lose a guy like Dee Hop, a major playmaker. You wouldn't expect to have the kind of drop-off that maybe that they experienced. But he's won, and he's won, you know, more games every single year he's been there.

So this one, this next one coming up, you know, obviously will be huge because they have to get over that hump. And just like Matthew Stafford winning, you know, his first playoff. Oh, boy, Matty! Good job, Stafford. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, there's a lot of things that can factor in. But again, you know, staying healthy, having confidence, hitting your stride, you know, right when you need to. Green Bay getting guys back, you know, healthy on defense,

getting Bakhtiar, all those things. So arrow up, everything's trending that way. And then, you know, sometimes it's just, you know, experience in the league too and figuring out, because they're going to have to look at it, because this has been following him for a long time, all the way from Texas Tech, you know, go back to 2013 or whatever, you know, where every single year it happened, you know, at Texas Tech. And, you know, same things happen here.

So you would think hey look okay there's got to be something something in common here with all these seasons with maybe what we're doing you know not only schematic but practice wise um meeting wise vibe wise narrative wise like all that shit right I mean that all kind of comes into play late whenever you're dealing with like a groundhog's day type season no yeah no doubt about it again it's like aaron mentioned the mental toughness i mean that's a grind and it's a grind for a coach uh just as well as this for players you know uh because you get you get worn down and those guys that you know have the metal and the dna that you know aaron was talking about and we all know

they can they can power through that stuff. And, and again, they got enough veteran leadership to help the young guys, you know, get through that. But. Oh, you done? You're there, right? You're still there, Chuck? You're still there. You look good. You got me. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, you said you interviewed for the Green Bay job.

How did you feel coming out of that? Did you you said you interviewed for the green bay job how did you feel coming out of that did you say oh i killed it i'm definitely getting this one or did you feel like it didn't go well and also how did that differ from your the interview process for indy like i'm curious how different teams interview people jim ursay the power lifting god owner for the colts much different than mark murphy and everybody that's up there that's doing that interview we'd assume no it was it was good uh you know it was Mark and and Goody uh good against you know and uh yeah so it went well it was it was way different you know it was like I'd say okay Aaron Rodgers was you know at the forefront of that meeting you know and it was like okay what's the plan?

We talked about this before, but when you go into these interviews, one of the major things, and I forgot to mention it last time we talked, is having a list of guys, probably three or four names deep, especially at the coordinator's position. But one of the top things was, okay, offensively, who are you thinking about? Who do you got in mind as an offensive potential, offensive coordinator? You know, and what's your thoughts, you know, on the quarterback? You know, what's your thoughts on the roster?

So you have to know, you know, the roster, not only Aaron inside and out, but the roster, and then give them an idea, okay, this is what – I can get this guy as the OC. Chuck, how are these coaches doing this while their season's still going on? That seems like a lot of – you know? I don't know. I was texting, you know, a buddy down in Tampa, Joey Gilbert, you know, and I was like just holy crap i mean that would be for myself i couldn't do it you know and those guys are you know those guys get in the office at

4 a.m and 4 30 in the morning you know i think they work harder than boomer i know we always nobody got one of these this w's's for work, and this is Boomer's title. Oh, yeah. You know, but those guys were – I think it would be – you know, everybody's going to say it's a distraction, especially if you don't play well and something goes bad, you know, because you're going. But everybody understands, and B.A. has done a great job, you know,

with the hiring process and putting guys great job, you know, with the hiring process and putting guys in position, you know, to be successful, you know, and he's going to champion those guys cause and they're going to get their work done. And at the same time, you know, Todd's already been there. Todd's already done it. He's been a head coach. So he's got, you know, kind of his blueprint on how he's going to go in. So, you know, that thing needs to be reshaped and curtailed to the team you're talking to but um those guys will be able to get that get that done but i i would just hate the distraction for me would be too much hey how do you feel about ba giving a left cross to old andrew adams head there he hits him in the shoulder i don't think it's a problem the headshot

in slow motion in a blowout of a game they find him fifty thousand dollars he said i was just trying to save my team all right i'm sure i can save my team and there's some people by the way that aren't fans it's like hey the player had no problem with it andrew adams did not come out or come after him any time like that let him coach his team however he's got a coach but this is the nfl saying hey we can't have fucking coaches giving jabs to helmets to players in 2022 do you think that's the case? And how do you feel, Andrew Adams, in BAR right now about this entire situation? I didn't see the – I just read about it, and I didn't see the blow.

Was it a major blow? It was – he gave a good – I mean, he's got torn Achilles, partially torn Achilles, so he doesn't have a good base under him at all. But it was – he looked mad when he gave it. But it wasn't – Would you guys look as bad as like in the old days, you know, when a player would come off on the sideline and coach would grab your face mask and shake you by the face mask or whatever?

Did it fall under those? Because I'm looking at it saying $50,000 for hitting his own guy? Was it a love tap? I know he's talking about his own guy you know and was it a love tab was it I know he's talking about getting him off the pile and not getting a penalty I did I didn't see it so I don't know how bad the Bucs though Chuck do you think the Bucs are just trying to get out in front of it because so the NFL doesn't come in and try to find the team or Bruce could be is that self-reporting like in college, you know, with the NCAA. You self-report and you think, you know, the penalties aren't going to be as bad.

And then they give you three years probation and 31 scholarships because you self-reported. That wasn't a very good idea, you know. Hey, listen, we got it all figured out. We did our own investigation. We're going to, listen, we'll ban ourselves from any bowl games this year. I mean, that's a lot of money we the kids don't deserve it but we definitely fucked up you know we did the research so thank you so much ncaa and they go oh you're banning for one year huh we were thinking the next 10 that's what we were thinking actually good call

for you this is the shot here so i mean i mean it's a strong left cross they put in slow mo too which makes it look even more because his face was, like, angry, like, actually angry. If he hits him in the shoulder, not a problem, I think, from the NFL or from the Bucs. But I think, yeah, what an interesting thing. Is there a reaction from the kid? He looked. He just, like, looked like, what the fuck?

He was trying to figure out where it came from, right? Just have the head cut. That's B.A. hitting me. Don't you have a fucking Achilles right now? What are you even doing there? The boys have some questions, and before we get to that, I wanted to ask you this earlier, and I forgot about it, and we went to a different conversation piece.

A lot of rumors around here and hearsay and conversation that, you know, Jim Irsay isn't exactly thrilled that Carson Wentz and how this whole thing ended, you know? And there's $15 million guaranteed for Carson Wentz next year. But the salary cap is like $200 and some million. They're going to have room. They could move on. They've done it before.

They picked Jacoby and Phil, I think, $25 million each at one point because of how good that roster is. It's not acceptable for that Colts team not to make the playoffs. And Jim Irsay very much believes that as well. What do you think the process of that will be and you talked about earlier Jim Caldwell got fired after one bad year and Peyton Manning didn't have a neck and wasn't able to play he was he had us undefeated just a couple years before that to the Super Bowl smooth transition after Tony Dungy leaves Jim Caldwell was a great coach for us one bad year Jim's like hey we got to kind of change the entire

organization almost like we're getting a new quarterback it It's a new era. We're going to do this. Then obviously moves on for you, brings in Frank Reich after the Josh McDaniels thing. Do you think Jim Irsay is a guy that'll cut ties because of something like this? And do you think Carson Wentz is potentially no longer a Colt? And just not from who you've talked to, but just outside looking and knowing that organization a lot better than most other people would. but just outside looking and knowing that organization a lot better than most other people would? Hey, look, you know, Jim loves to win, you know, and he's talked about winning multiple, you know, Super Bowls,

you know, this decade. So I think anything's on the table, you know, and certainly I don't think all of this falls on one player. We agree. You know, and, you know, because there's a lot of other areas that it was my belief that based on all the talk going into that game that that they were done before they even stepped on the field you know that hey we haven't won down there since 2000 and it got just blown up to where those guys so the first bad thing that happened, it was like, oh, here we go again. But Jim loves to win.

So I think they'll do anything and everything to ensure that. They do have a great roster. They've built a great roster. They've got a bunch of great players. Carson did some really good things for that ball club this season. Unfortunately, playing that position, you get all the credit when you do really well, and you get all when you when you don't play well and you do bad and you turn the ball over, whatever. So the money is the money they gave up, you know, first and a third, you know, for this guy. You know, I can't see them, you know, just making a knee jerk reaction.

The door was left open if you listen to the comments, you know, on Chris's, you know, presser. I think the door was left open for anything. But, you know, I can't see based on Frank's relationship with that kid and, you know, everything they gave up to get him that they're not going to at least try to get to year two. And, you know, you can say, look, get to year two and and you know you can say look you know frank and you know cars were together before there shouldn't be this you know timetable of you know i need a couple years in the system but everything's different the players are different he's not thrown to the same receivers the chemistry of the team all that stuff

you know uh it takes time so they've done too many good things to me for right now to say. Because then who are you going to go get? Well, so let's bring Aaron Rodgers in for sure. And, hey, Carson, hey, let's come back better next year. There you go, Carl. All right, go out there on that bobcat, kill some land, do your thing. Can't wait to see you next year, man. You're going to be great.

But I'll tell you what, there's going to be a lot of Colts fans, if he starts fucking up again early, that are going to be like, oh, Chris is going to have to eat that. You know, Chris will have to eat that. Jim will have to eat that. Jim's out and about, too. The Jim Irsay Collection is out doing shows and things. I mean, he hears it now, I think, a lot more than ever before.

But it is an interesting year going in. And maybe Aaron Rodgers, you know. That one in the Super Bowl for the Packers. Maybe it comes on over to Indiana. Maybe Russell Wilson. Come on. Maybe Ben Roethlisberger. Oh.

Ben Roethlisberger, maybe. Ben Roethlisberger, maybe. Those two ain't leaving. Those guys ain't leaving. Who? Aaron Rodgers and Russ Wilson. Hell, yeah. Tell them, Chuck. Now, listen, I don't think Aaron's leaving either,

but I do love stoking the flame a little bit because people get all pissed off on the internet, and I don't think Russell Wilson will. But last year, it seemed like he was getting close, didn't it? I mean, it felt like he was out. Russell Wilson will, but last year it seemed like he was getting close, didn't it? I mean, it felt like he was out. Well, I mean, he wanted just to ruffle the feathers just enough, you know, whatever, you know, based on what he said throughout the whole offseason.

Well, team three. Huh? It was team three. It wasn't Russell. Remember, it was his social media advisor and then his publicist and his uh peloton guru and then his upper body his chaplain his past yeah the photographer that's the problem you know these guys we always talk to the players about keeping things simple and you know your circle's got to be really tight his circle's way too big you know get some of these guys out of your circle and just focus on

what you need to focus on. That's winning football games. We know he rehabs 19 hours plus. I love Russell. I honestly do. The Manning cast made me love him even more, I think. But the offseason fuckery is something that should be

talked about because he is a high-level quarterback, Super Bowl-winning quarterback. His team releasing anonymous quotes about Russell storming out of meetings and Pete being mad and all that stuff like that was real shit that was happening last year. It's the Seahawks. They figured it out. Congrats to them. But that's only going to get louder after the year that they had this offseason. And you don't think anybody's going to move just because all that shit is normally hyped overhyped. You think like free agency is normally overhyped all trades are gonna happen these people are gonna move and it never happens in the nfl why is that you think well it's that whole grass is greener we all think

the grass is greener you know on the other side of the fence and you know sometimes you just you know things are going so good for for so long and and um all of a sudden you hit a little adversity and and you want to just run for the hills when it's just time to hunker in and get a couple new pieces here and there. But those guys have so much invested in those two cities. You know, can you imagine like Peyton's deal was a neck injury and it was just Andrew Luck was sitting there Jim was scared to death for this kid's health and his sake he's like a son to him 14 years there you know and and he cared so much about the guy but you know that's one story you know where we have a million train wrecks of of guys moving on you

know Montana you know whatever and and and you know you can go back in history and see some of those moves but those guys are beloved in those cities, and they've given so much to those franchises. Why would you want to change that? Do you really have a chance of going to another place? Do they have all the pieces to win a Super Bowl and the cap space and players? I mean, I'm not rolling the dice here. I don't want to be a guy who says,

Chuck, Tom Brady just goes to the Tampa Buccaneers. They basically give him roster control, something that he's been wanting a little bit more say allegedly from the outside looking in. A lot of people in same circles you and I talk with have mentioned something to me that is real. They think what happened with Tom down in

Tampa Bay Q Gronkeneer land down there that is potentially what spurred Russell to be like, I should have more say in what's going on and we should have more weapons and we should have a team that's going all in, which might've, you know, trickled over to green Bay, maybe even to Houston with Deshaun Watson. Like I think the Tom Brady effect is what all these other guys that are in that pantheon of quarterbacks in NFLfl history up there that are like oh we see

it work there but what you're pointing out is there is a lot of other situations where the water the grass is only greener where you water it pal and it might not be as fresh as you think ever that's what you're trying to point out huh it could go bad even though the tom thing has seemingly gone well well you know there's there's only a couple you know bas out there you know in situations that worked out just per you know where hey i want to bring alex it's guerrero right yeah and he's got to have full access to the facility i got to have him fine we'll build you a whole different annex you know your own training room for you and that whatever. OK, we're good there, you know.

And then, you know, I think there's direct flights from Tampa, you know, over water and go to Brazil or wherever. Oh, is there? I didn't know Tampa International was set up like that. Is that why you met with Jeter and Gates and the owner of the Lightning? Hey, we need all this. Happy wife, happy life. You know, straight shots for, you know, so there's a lot of things that, you know, and that's the, you know, it's the alien, the number one alien of all aliens, Tom Brady, that made that.

And I know those other two are great players and Hall of Fame players and this, that, and the other, but that guy's got six world championships and now seven. Wow. We heard earlier that last year's Super Bowl was fake. It doesn't count. We had somebody that had boots on the ground, Colleen Wolfe, boots on the ground. She said it was a fake Super Bowl. So I don't know if it counts.

It doesn't. I don't know. I'd take the ring. Like that, actually. I would take the ring immediately. Fake Super Bowl, real Super Bowl. Is it big? Is it shiny? Is it on my pinky? Fuck off. Like that, actually. I would take the ring immediately. Fake Super Bowl, real Super Bowl. Is it big? Is it shiny?

Is it on my pinky? Fuck off. Go ahead, Ty. Coach, when you look at Dallas, and it's possible that both Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore are gone last year, how hard would that be as a head coach, especially a guy like McCarthy who's kind of like a figurehead, and these guys are both, they have their expertise.

How difficult would it be to replace both your offensive and defensive coordinator in an offseason and would you expect them to have some no way more gets you would think but i mean people love him nope big mike didn't he called that play you know calum called the plays all year long but big mike called that one okay well that's smart that's good angling for a head coaching job here kellen moore anonymous sources say big mike called the play. You don't get a job. There's no way Kellen Moore gets a job this year. People love the McVay, the young, hot shot offensive mind.

To answer Ty's question, are we going to get to that one? Yeah. Sorry about that. I think it's extremely hard because continuity is everything. You know, and the job that Dan Quinn's done there and the job that Calamore, you look at the numbers, having to replace, nobody wants to replace guys. Because you get comfortable, you know the coordinator,

you know what you're doing on defense, what you're doing on offense. And so you don't want to have to go through that whole process. Because they're hard to find. And so if you are, you don't want to have to go through that whole process of, because they're hard to find. Let's be honest. I mean, the really good coaches, you know, whether they're head coaches or they're coordinators, position coaches, they're not available. They're on the street. And so the only way these teams, there's eight jobs open right now,

so the only way they get one of these guys is they go after them and hire them as their head coach. But you don't want to replace guys. Like, you know, B.A., we were going to – I swear with Andrew and B.A. after year one, Pat, you know, if he sticks around and doesn't get to Arizona, we would have hoisted a trophy. How do you keep him, though? This is a situation that, you know, we got to win.

It's the same thing. You say, okay, here's a commitment. But there's only 32 of those jobs. So if Kellen Moore gets offered one or Dan Quinn gets offered one, you know, it's almost like you have to take it. Now, Dan's already been there and done that. So he doesn't have to. Kellen, on the other hand, he's a young guy saying, man, this might be my only shot.

I've probably got to do this. But Jerry, you know, these guys got enough money where they can go to him and say, we're going to pay you head coach money to stay here and be the coordinator on offense or defense. You know, and then, you know, down the road, you know, Big Mike is going to coach another three, four years or whatever. You're going to be the next dude, you know, to follow him, much like he did with Jason Garrett, you know, years ago.

But, you know, it's hard to replace those guys. But, you know, unless they go into a situation where, you know, everything lines up perfectly, you talk about unless they go into a situation where, you know, everything lines up perfectly, you talk about the GM head coach deal, because there's going to be certain guys that the GM, you know, wants to work with. And he's going to get those people in there to get interviewed. And then he's probably, along with the, you know, the owner, going to select that guy that he knows the best. Sometimes that ain't always the best thing. But, you know, convers, but conversely, those guys

go on an interview. They may sit down and say, you know what, this is probably a situation that the roster, the cap, the GM, the philosophy on how to build a roster, the culture, all those things, they might just not mesh. It know, it might just not be my time. Whatever happened with McDaniels, you know, and Indy, you know, at the last minute, you know, right when he left Ballard at the altar, you know, so to speak, you know, who knows what went down there other than, you know, Kraft and Bill might have thrown a bunch of extra cash at him and paying him $5 million, $6 million a year, you know,

to be the coordinator up there. And he's like, okay, so I can make this kind of money. You know, we're going to win. I got a great player, whatever, and I don't have to be the head coach and I don't have to, you know, wear all those hats and do the meet. You don't have to move. You don't have to get back comfortable. You don't have to rebuild an entire culture.

I mean, there's a lot of work into being a head coach. That's why, like, if Dan Quinn was to leave, his life has to be so much better now. Oh, yeah. Had to be so much better now than it was in Atlanta. And you got to experience that. Whenever you go to D.C., you're back coaching. You're back in the game plan. You're back in the strategy.

Not all the bullshit. Could you see Dan Quinn being like, nah, I love this, what I'm doing right now. I got backwards hat on. We got guys getting picks. I got Micah Parsons here. I'm in Dallas. We have obviously the greatest facilities in the world. We have everybody.

Like, do you see that potentially being a decision? And how come more guys don't do it just because you have to? Do you feel obligated almost to take one of those head coaching roles? Well, because he's already been there and he's already done it, you know, at Atlanta and had success and took a team to the super bowl and things didn't end the way that he wanted them in but he can be very very selective because he's sitting in a catbird seat right now i mean um all these you know he's a highly coveted dude but he gets an opportunity to take a peek check the landscape check out a few different

facilities look at rosters all those things we just talked about. But he can be very selective right now. And the thing is, too, the windows for these deals, we got a hard out. No, I was talking about Dan Quinn taking a peek at these places and going, that place stinks. No, he can be very, very selective. And I will say this, the window for these opportunities sometimes, you know, is open and then it closes really fast, you know, based on, you know, the success of your team, you know, because he went in there

and they were god-awful, you know, two years ago under Coach Nolan, you know, for whatever reason. You know, so he goes in there and he turns that thing around they're sound they're flying around they're creating turnovers you know they weren't 32nd in the league but they finished 19th in the league which is a heck of improvement but it isn't like you know Vic Fangio at Chicago finishes number one you know in defense or Brandon Staley finished one at LA, you know, but again, he can, he can be very selective and look at places. I mean, they were definitely better than they were, but 19. Shout out to you Chuck. That was a family guy. Connor.

Yeah. Chuck. What do you think about a situation like the Dolphins or the Texans who have a GM don't have a head coach so they can kind of either ask their players what they think or what they've heard about possible candidates versus teams like the Bears and the Raiders who are trying to replace both, have a quarterback like Derek Carr who wants a say in the head coach and Justin Fields who's a rookie. And if they don't kind of hire within the building and use outside consulting firms, do you know how that works and how they go about hiring those consulting firms yeah so there's always been a uh a group of guys like the polians uh charlie casterly you know

there's people in the league office that that have you know have lists of guys and names that kind of are the the hot, the hot coordinators, coaches that have been head coaches in the league and have kind of reinvented themselves like Dan Quinn. Talking to players, I think those guys can, like in Miami, Chris Greer and then Casario there in Houston, I think they can talk to their players, but you've got to be

very careful, you know, unless it's a veteran guy, like, do you know, like they may have had a history with this guy at a different club, you know, so if they're around that guy and they know about him and they're trying to figure some stuff out, you know, that you're not going to find out in an interview, you know, talking to whoever. I don't necessarily think I'd go, you know, and list, you know, and try to gather a bunch of information from my players on, you know, which one of these guys, you know, this, that, and the other. Because, you know, when Baltimore made a coaching change, you know,

back in 2008 and went from Billick, you know, to Arbaugh, you know, it was kind of like, hey, we need discipline. You know, we're to this, we're to that. Billick won a Super Bowl, right? And then we want to get to something different, you know, and then, you know, you get in there and then you got discipline, you got, you know, hard, you know, double days, you got this, you got discipline. You've got double days. You've got this. You've got that. It's like, shit, be careful what you wish for as players and stuff.

So you can listen to those guys and say, we need this, and all of a sudden they get it. They don't like that shit because of whatever reason. But I think it's a little bit easier when you've got a GM in place. Now, trying to figure out the whole thing, get the GM in place and the head coach, that takes a little bit more time. But, again, I'd talk to those players, just see if they know the guy. Is he relatable? How does he communicate? What kind of teacher is he?

Is he a good person? Is he what we see when he comes in for the interview? Because, Pat, you mentioned it. You know, guys are going to get a lot of head bobbing. Yeah, well, I have say, you know, in the 53. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're going to have plenty of say. How about the 46 on game day? Do I have say in game day?

Who's going to set that? Oh, you got that, coach. You know, blah, you know blah blah blah and then you get to week one and you get to cut downs and you got no say you know you're not determining you know who's dressing out of the 46 and i think it's 48 now whatever but you know so hey chuck that's a hard it's a hard deal. Hey, it is. And a lot of teams get it wrong on a regular basis because there isn't a lot of guys out there that are fantastic. I was very lucky to play for a team that you coach.

I'm very lucky to speak with you every single Wednesday. It sounds like Bear is getting a little active over there. So go enjoy the hell out of the family. Who do you think wins this weekend? Let's go through it real quick. Titans, Bengals, who do you got? I got the Titans. 49ersers packers packers rams bucks bucks bills chiefs bills i think we're on the same exact page ladies and gentlemen

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gods have often frowned upon usually people that go on heaters do not tell anybody they actually have rules. Like, I'll tell you afterwards when I'm picking what I'm picking. The books know where the sharps are. Because they're sharps. Yeah, they're sharps. Big old sharps. That's what people have been trying to figure out. Yes.

And most people don't tell you publicly because they think the gambling gods will punish you or they just want to kind of do it for themselves. These hammer-down cowboys have been telling the world their bets for the last 13 months and have maintained a winning streak that has been absolutely absurd. Shout out to Tone. Shout out to Mitt, who's back. But last night, our Canadian sensation at Bubba Gumpino in college basketball, a sport in which you have no idea

what's going to happen. No clue. Because somebody might smack the floor a little bit harder one night and you have no... Maybe the layups are just falling a little bit better for some teams. And maybe there's good fundamental offense happening out of nowhere. You don't know what's going to... 8-0-1 last night.

Hey, what a night. You're really finding a groove in that college basketball. I'll never be able to watch a game, but I love winning from it because of you. It's absolute chaos. Absolute fucking chaos. It's awesome. Syracuse got hot. The Bayham boys were wet.

Couldn't miss a shot. I mean, what a night for the lads. Hey, what a night for you and the Hammerdown Cowboys. Joining us now is a man who I think spent the evening at an Apple store or maybe with the Geek Squad or trying to figure out his own thing. Ladies and gentlemen, a college football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, and COVID survivor, A.J. Hawk. Hey, you look good, dude.

You on Zoom right now? No, this is FaceTime. It looks great, right? Yeah, it does look great. This is Zoom, I think, because FaceTime actually might be a little bit tough today because I guess 5G's getting put in and maybe 5G's dunking on LTE or the little lines everywhere.

Ruppert was supposed to join us in the first hour and have hockey conversation. We actually just bought time for about 30 minutes to get Ruppert on. We were excited for it. Couldn't hear the fucking word

he was saying. It was freezing up, so we're happy you're here, AJ. Hey, good to be here. And Gump, congrats, man. 8-0-1-1 last night just in college basketball? Yeah, it's unbelievable.

How much thought goes into all those picks? We're up all night. We're up all night, AJ. Hey, and if you watch tonight on That's Hockey Talk, 8 o'clock at youtube.com forward slash That's Hockey Talk, you actually get a chance to watch a Gump in the wild in the Thunderdome. Because he's on the show, he's at his home,

but you see him looking at screens literally on every side of the camera, and he's like, oh, goal! And it's like, how does this guy know? And then literally you see it come across Twitter, and then some basketball dunk, and you're like, oh! And it's like, how does he watch everything? That's literally all this dude does. It's unbelievable.

It's amazing. And he's, by the way, we're all benefiting from it. And if you watch Hammer die, you will as well, AJ. Why don't you think about it, pal? I haven't sat down and watched from start to finish, but I'm definitely going to. Gump, I almost went in your apartment. Connor walked us through your main lobby. We were trying to

get out of the National Championship game. So yeah, I wanted to go up and check it out, Gump. You're always welcome, AJ. He'll cut, and then he'll don't worry about that. We got a guest joining us right now. She is a host of the Thursday Night Football Kickoff Show, I believe, on

NFL Network. Also the weekend Good Morning Football. Friend of the show. She's been on before. Ladies and gentlemen, massive Eagles fan. They're not in any longer, but they showed great promise. Great promise. Colleen Wolfe. Yay! not in any longer, but they showed great promise. Great promise. Colleen Wolfe. Yay!

Yo! What's up, boys? How we doing? Hey, great. How are you? Eagles kind of stink, huh? Might be a brand new team next year. Jalen Hurts might be out.

Maybe there's a new quarterback. Sirianni's going to be laying the manure. What is life like as an Eagles fan right now, Colleen? Life is tragic. It was like watching a tragedy when I was watching the Eagles play the Bucs. Listen, it is – Eagles fans have long been known to be reasonable, rational, like just really straightforward fans. And listen, I saw a lot of them in Tampa Bay,

and they were very upset after the game and as someone who's related to a ton of eagles fans it was no different in uh my household so we're we're struggling right we're on the struggle bus well if it means anything uh the team that i pull for uh they lost the clown time in the last week and they didn't even make it in the playoff so i mean all all NFL fans are a little bit bummed at some point during the season. Now we got four games left. We got eight teams left, Colleen. These games, I mean, 50 million people watched the Cowboys Niners game last week. I assume the entire globe is going to be watching this weekend. What are you looking forward to the most? And is there any teams that you like better because they treat you and your tv show better

than other teams do right uh i am that's how i select my games hey i do i'm backers i'm a big time backers fan i mean yeah absolutely yeah absolutely so let's talk about that game actually because i feel like the thing that i'm really wondering about with that game is the san francisco injuries and just waiting to see what goes on with Nick Bosa, whether or not they're going to have him back. Because the Packers offensive line, even with David Bakhtiari back, there are some holes on that line. And if you have Nick Bosa in that game, I think that that could be kind of a game changer.

But honestly, Fred Warner is the one that i think is the game changer and when you look at what he's been able to do um just that low grade ankle sprain they thought it was a high ankle sprain so thank god it wasn't that but getting him back is going to be huge for them and jimmy g now we're hearing about that shoulder being maybe a little bit of an issue too so i feel like the packers are are in a nice spot here, even though they got to deal with Debo Samuel, which is a whole nother thing. Yeah, you're right.

He's Debo, dude. Hey, Colleen, speaking of Jimmy Garoppolo, like they're in a weird spot drafting Trey Lance. Let's say Jimmy somehow takes them to the Super Bowl. Like, is there a chance they win the Super Bowl and Jimmy's not their quarterback next year? Well, I think if they win the Super Bowl with Jimmy, then they got to stick with Jimmy.

The thing is, like, if they get rid of Jimmy, who's better out there next year? I mean, you look at this year's draft, and it's a pretty mediocre quarterback class. And who's going to be involved in free agency that's better out there? So I think, I mean, are you saying Carson Wentz? Is that what I'm hearing? Carson, I don't know. Just the rumors that I mean, are you saying Carson Wentz? Is that what I'm hearing? Carson Wentz, yeah.

Is that what I'm hearing? I don't know. Just the rumors that I've heard from different people around town, they're not necessarily thrilled with old Philadelphia Eagle turned Indianapolis Colt Carson Wentz season ending there. So maybe he's, we don't know. We have no idea. $15 million guaranteed.

But maybe Russell Wilson, you know, who knows what's going on with him. Ben Roethlisberger. Oh, like that. Ben Roethlisberger. Oh, I like that. Ben Roethlisberger said he ain't going to be a stealer anymore, but that doesn't mean football is done. Is he going to be XFL? I don't know. Yeah, but you're right, though. Who is better out there? This is a bad year to need a quarterback,

is what you're saying, yeah? Yeah, and if the Niners are able to win the Super Bowl with Jimmy G, there's no way that they should go away from that. And plus, like their bread and butter anyway is the running game. That's where they get it all done. So they just need someone who can keep the team afloat and not make mistakes and not

put that defense in a bad situation. Colleen, do you get yelled at for saying stuff that is maybe negative towards the NFL on, like for instance, on your show, Steve Smith turned into an absolute fucking savage. I mean, it was awesome to see on the NFL Network because that doesn't normally happen. We all laughed. We enjoyed it. I assume some of the players weren't happy, but it is the NFL. It is the league being represented, but in the same vein, Dan Zeus ranks teams from the NFL.

So is there like a fine balance there? Is that really not in your nature? Do you guys hear like, hey, you can't say that the refs stink? Like is there any of that type of stuff? I've gotten called to the principal's office a few times, and it's from teams complaining about things that I've said. So I'm not a stranger to that at all, but Steve Smith Sr. takes it to a whole

different level, and that's what makes it so much fun. I mean, you always know exactly where you stand with Steve, and you don't want to be standing in the wrong spot with Steve. He's very humble, and last time I came, he was actually a humble paw. I think it was cereal, but it looked like a humble paw.

He's electrifying. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry about that, pal. Hey, Colleen, I feel like you're not out there just tearing organizations down. Are you saying PR people from a team could reach out? What have you ever said bad about teams, though? I've gotten some heat from the Jags before just about some jokes I've made. The Titans were very unhappy with me

a couple years ago when I had mentioned something about them not being needed in the playoffs anymore because they had taken care of the Patriots. So sometimes I say things that, it's fair. You know, it's fair.

Are you surprised sometimes at how much attention some of these teams may be paying to what you're saying? Like, little, maybe throwaway jokes may upset them? Not only that, not only teams, but players, too. Like, I'm surprised by the sensitivity level of players because I'm sure that they hear this all the time on Twitter. And so if I'm saying something, I don't know why they get so upset about it. So it's like, hey, if you're in the spotlight, you kind of got to take the heat

and know it's coming. And also, like, why are you so upset about this? I say disrespectful things all the time. Yeah, well, so that's classic. That's a good personality to have, especially coming out of Philadelphia. Yeah, that's so that's classic. That's a good personality to have, especially coming out of Philadelphia. Yeah. Yeah.

That's going to happen. Yeah, you know. Pat knows. Yeah, yeah. Philadelphia, six hours away from Pittsburgh. The drive. But I think players get pissed because it's like 35, depending upon if you're able to get down on the ground quickly enough.

And also on the way over, you know, you've got that tailwind. Yeah, the wind. Coming back, a little chop. You've got to fight through some chop on the way back there. But some players get pissed off that a narrative is potentially being built about them by people who have prominent voices. So that is, I think, why players – but when organizations come and say, like, hey, whenever you said that the playoffs would be better without us,

like, we don't need that. Like, is that a Vrabel? There's no way Vrabel. No, couldn't be. Imagine if that PR person told Vrabel that There's no way Vrabel. No, couldn't be. Imagine if that PR person told Vrabel that, hey, I want to let you know, we did tell Colleen Wolfe her little fucking remark.

Wow. We don't need it. And Vrabel's like, get out of here. There has to be a fine balance there. You have to do your job as well, and you have to call it. Like the Jacksonville Jaguars getting upset at you? They have, hey, why don't you worry about the chop house? Bigger fish to fry over there.

Why don't you worry about what's going on in your house? That is a tough job, though, because you work for the NFL in their sandbox. So you kind of got to play by their rules. But you guys do a great job over there. We say the NFL Network is by far the best league network and also one I think is only going to continue to grow. Those studios are awesome. Go ahead, Ty.

Colleen, what does your weekend look like this weekend, getting ready for these games? Are you guys on location anywhere? Can we expect you to maybe do one of the shows from the pirate ship in Tampa Bay or are you just kind of hunkered down in L.A.? What's the deal? All right, so last week I was in Tampa Bay, and it was a lot. It was an emotional weekend for me so I was like you

know what guys how about I take this weekend off I'm gonna stay in LA I'm gonna hold it down here I'll have good morning football weekend here and then like I get to just chill but then next weekend championship Sunday I'll be in studio with the whole game day morning gang Rich Eisen that whole crew and so it's all hands on deck next week those studios are insane huh in l.a oh my god they are so beautiful let me tell you the lighting in that place it's like angels are coming down and just like crying out in the studio with us it is beautiful i love it well it is los angeles you know yeah l.a city angels might be in there know. And I wouldn't be surprised if Roger Goodell did just kind of, you know, take out a rope and just get all the Angels.

Fucking bring them in. Saddle the horse of saying, get in this. It looks gorgeous. I mean, it looks very, very nice over there. It has to be nice because, you know, the old studios were kind of an interesting. That was kind of an interesting thing. You know, I got to be there a couple times. I was like, oh, this is what the NFL is doing over here.

They're very nice people, very good people, but I didn't expect that. Then the SoFi Stadium rollout, what is it, like $6 billion or something? Unbelievable. It's gorgeous. Yeah, it sounds like it. It seems like it. I can't wait to watch this weekend. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Colleen, after the Eagles lost, did it help that Dak Prescott and the Cowboys were in a QB draw and fourth down to basically lose the game? And also, what do you think is going to happen in Dallas? Do you think there are any big changes coming in the division or no? Did it help? Absolutely, 100%. It helped.

It was a little bit of just a Band-Aid, just kind of a little something to help me get through the rest of the day and so i was okay with that i was okay watching them lose and now kind of seeing what's going to happen in dallas because both of their coordinators are up for head coaching jobs so yeah there could be massive changes i think there in the division dan quinn has done such a good job like he came in and was able to turn that defense around and obviously bringing in guys like drafting of Michael Parsons, that is only going to help things. You have him to just do whatever job you want him to do. You want him to

be a safety, you want him to be a linebacker, you want him to rush from the edge. I mean, whatever, he's got it covered. But I think that Dan Quinn did an awesome job. And then Kellen Moore is obviously up for jobs too. So there could be a lot of changes within Dallas. But they have this team that is so talented right now. And they have all of the pieces you would think to make a run. And then what happened against the Niners, honestly, it was sad for them. But for me personally, it just helped my heart a little bit.

Yeah, I think everybody that is not a Cowboys fan loved how that game went. I mean, Stephen A.'s reaction, obviously, massive, huge. That's a dream come true for the entire offseason. But it does feel like that Cowboys team always have big names. Jerry Jones always talking, spending money, doing his thing. He has a lot of say in the primetime games and who's playing in primetime. And then every year it's just disappointment after disappointment. Last year, that

guy picked the Dallas Cowboys playing a Super Bowl. Yeah, he's playing a Super Bowl. Yeah, starting quarterback went down. Well, this year, you know, he's playing. They did not do it again. But every year you get this hype and hope for the Cowboys. I think everybody does. Even people that aren't Cowboys fans. Like, oh, this might

actually be the year. And it's not. It seems like that's the regular. Speaking of Cowboys, I think everybody does, even people that aren't Cowboys fans. Like, oh, this might actually be the year. And it's not. It seems like that's the regular. Speaking of Cowboys, Tom Diggs. Colleen, selfish question incoming. Okay, I like it. You are in the biz. You are in the know in the NFL.

And you are in L.A. How are things going to be when we come out there for Super Bowl week on Radio Row? Is L.A. going to be hospitable? Are we going to be able to run around Radio Row? What's going to be hospitable? Are we going to be able to run around Radio Row? What's going to be going on? Cowboy hats allowed on gamblers out there. What's it going to be like? I think bring all of

the cowboy hats. I mean, whatever you want to do out here, you can do. This is like a choose-your-own-adventure type of deal out here in LA. We're going to have to hang out. I'll be down there on radio road too. So it's a party game. I hope you're ready for it.

Radio road. Do you think it's going to be anything different? Have you heard anything? Cause we're getting like secondhand information and then there's some of this going on. Maybe some of this going on. Obviously there's going to be fans allowed there, but then there's protocols behind the thing.

It seems to all kind of contradict each other, but we don't know shit about fuck. We're just trying to figure out if you know anything more than we do. I think we're all on the same page there. I also am feeling that, but I can't say it. I think that last year I was in Tampa for the Super Bowl and that was obviously like height of pandemic. It was pre-vaccines for everyone and everything was locked down. It was so weird, especially having gone to all of the previous Super Bowls before that and just seeing just the sights and the sounds and the craziness that goes on around a Super

Bowl. And then it didn't even feel like I was at a Super Bowl. It was like I was in Tampa Bay. It felt like a fake Super Bowl. Not going to lie. It was very weird. But this year I feel like it will be somewhere in between. And I don't know what side it will skew more towards.

And I'm hoping towards some type of normalcy. But who knows. Well, we can't wait to get out there. We can't thank you enough for joining us, Colleen. Always a fantastic conversation, and you crush it on NFL Network every single time. Thank you so much for your time, Colleen. Thank you. Let's shock on a beer at Radio Rome. Hell yeah.

Oh, there's ought to be beers there? What? Maybe a little vodka? What? How about Terramana? What? Is The Rock going to be there? One! How about that Tyrannosaurus Rex that is a replica named Stan? One! Learned that yesterday.

Ladies and gentlemen, Colleen Wall. Yeah! Thank you, Colleen. Is that a replica? Well, yeah. So I do believe, you know, he started following me two days ago. Then yesterday we did an entire bit about him buying a $31.8 million anonymous stand. I could sell one to AJ right now for $14,000.

You want to have $14,000 now? Maybe $14,500. $14,500. I can get a full replica just like Stan. A full replica, I'll give it to you for $250. That's $250,000. Does he have one to sell? $250, I'll do it. No, Zito found two of them on a website that he is claiming as his own,

and he's just going to take his money and then buy it for less. There's a little bit of a fee. Tax them, tax them, because you failed it. Zito hates big museums, though. He thinks all dinosaurs are fake. I think it's amazing that Rock is just mocking museums by putting that behind him. No, he's not. Yes, he is.

But he did have to come out and say that a lot of people thought he potentially, because he's the Rock, so he's going to be president someday. People are like, why is this not in a museum why is this yeah i guess it would be a little bit more protected if it was the legit real t-rex what's more protected than the rock protecting you dude i mean who's gonna protect the tyrannosaurus rex brock lesnar in the rock yep and nick cage i'm thinking the rocks look doesn't rock have a little kid i'm thinking a little kid coming,

oh, look at this. This is fun. And start throwing rocks at her. That's what my kids would do. What's a fucking dinosaur do? My kids would ride it. They would try to ride the skeleton. Bro, if a dinosaur can't eat a rock or two,

that's why they fucking lost the entire boom thing. That's right. If that's real. Okay. I mean, geez. Wait, does Zito think that dinosaurs were never a thing? They weren't real? It's a big museum just trying to make money off us.

He says, oh, these diggers in Big Museum go out in the middle of nowhere. I found something. Oh, my God. And they're the only ones that can test for it. They're the only ones that can test for it. Let's get all the carbon. This is actually the biggest. And it happens to come every few years, it seems like.

That's Zito's theory, not mine. A big meteor came, but all these bones just stayed in one spot. Very odd. Yeah, Zito is very loud about this. He might be the loudest anti-dinosaurs existing person. More misinformation on this program. Can't have it. What are you talking about?

Stan is real. $31.8 million. Boom. I'm a big dinosaur guy. I think they, I mean, alligators. T-Rexes are a big dinosaur guy I think they I mean Alligators T-Rex T-Rex is awesome

Awesome Yeah Pterodactyl dude A fucking pterodactyl Stegosaurus They're good Pterodactyls The flying thing

From Chris Pratt's Jurassic Park The flying Whatever What are those called Pterodactyls I think I just talked About a pterodactyl

Velociraptors Velociraptors They don't fly They don't fly That's a car Another character What are those called? Pterodactyls. I think I just talked about a pterodactyl. No, not pterodactyls. Velociraptors is what I'm talking about. They don't fly. They don't fly. That's a car. Another character. That's a rabbit. I didn't see him.

That's a Velociraptor. Only saw about two minutes of that one. Anyways, rhinoceros, still a dinosaur. Alligator, crocodile, still a dinosaur. Yeah, we had rhinoceros back in the day for sure. Yeah, I think they are an... What's that? Rhinos, yeah.

He said we had them. Like, we as the earth or like we as Rhinos, yeah He said we had them Like we as the earth Or like we as Yeah Pablo Escobar, he had them Is that who you're with? So when did animals become real? Well, it's not animals

He's talking about dinosaurs He thinks animals have always been around Is what he thinks Yeah, that was a massive alligator I'll give you guys that The T-Rex or whatever you guys want to call it So that was an alligator that could walk on two legs. That's why the arms were so small.

Maybe, yeah. Okay, so let's just think. No such thing as a T-Rex, though. So you're anti-T-Rex or all dinosaurs? All dinosaurs. What about a rhinoceros, an alligator, a crocodile? All in on those guys. So were there animals that were the size of dinosaurs?

Yeah, they made them humongous, massive. And they put these in museums. And then by putting them in museums, you sell the tickets. And then you have people come in and you sell them for millions of dollars. Not real. There's a lot of money in this. Yeah. In the dinosaur game, in the artifact game.

And we did think that maybe The Rock was an honest buyer for $31.8 million of his T-Rex, which is quite a thing to do. I'm sure Dana White has peeked around at how much a dinosaur intact is for that thing there's a there's this a class of people that just have too much money and need to get rid of it or move it somehow or do something like that and they buy these incredibly expensive things and i assume dinosaurs are that but zito thinks it's all bullshit yes you think so bullshit but. By the way, this program is all about conversation. That's right. Zito has his conversation, and the opinions of Zito do not reflect that of his

peers or his employees. Someone inside told me NASA was funded by dinosaurs. No big deal. Alright, let's get to a break. We're back in four minutes. Can't wait to answer some phone calls, see some more tweets. You believe it. It's starting to cook in your head, huh? This is your first time hearing this?

I mean, there's... No, I've heard it paper mache bro there's a religious debate about dinosaurs and where humans are like all this stuff that's what i'm thinking about but um that's one of my favorite fca questions what's that so dinosaurs floor is yours you know it's i've been a part of a few. I've witnessed a few of those. But there's worse theories out there, Zeed. We know that. Which ones? I mean, a lot of them.

I would say Zeed's. I mean, no, I can't defend Zeed's take here. But I'm just saying there's a lot of bad ones out there. Zeed is technically right. There are no dinosaur bones floating around. That's not a dinosaur skull the rock has. That's like a plaster. That's not a dinosaur skull the rock has. That's like a plaster. It's a plaster.

It's like you catch a fish. Nick, they're digging in the ground. You saw it the other day. They said it's the most intact thing of all time. Fossils aren't dinosaur bones. They're like the imprints. So they recreate the actual structure of dinosaurs. So it's like when I went Bigfoot hunting and I saw a footprint?

Yeah. That's what they're picking up out of the... I believe in Bigfoot more than dinos. What's that, buddy? I believe in Bigfoot more than dinos. I'm out on Bigfoot. I went hunting for five, six hours. I'm out.

I'm not out on every theory, but I'm out on Bigfoot. You went with the greatest hunter as well. Yeah. A deaf guy. Yeah. Interesting strategy to go. Yeah, but he's got eyes like a hawk. He can feel vibrations. What? No, he just had good instincts. You know, you lose one, strategy to go. Yeah, but he's got eyes like a hawk. Not really.

He can feel vibrations. What? No, he just had good instincts. You know, you lose one, essentially gain another. Oh, okay. I want Bigfoot hunting with a deaf guy. You know this. Oh, yeah, I know.

I didn't know he was deaf, though. Yeah. Almost all of Bigfoot hunting, by the way, is by sound. It's not a real thing. You're hunting. You can't call it hunting if you haven't gotten one ever and nobody has yeah that's you're hunting something yeah you're looking you're looking for things yeah looking hunting you can become fruitless though in your hunt for something if you fired live rounds at a bigfoot you're technically hunting i didn't i didn't pull the trigger

on any guns i will not speak for the deaf guy. Did you have guns with you, though? I assumed the deaf guy was strapped. If he believes in this Sasquatch Bigfoot and how big and powerful they would be, you would think you'd want to be able to protect yourself. It's not NIF. This guy has lived alone out in the woods because all of his friends and family told him he was obviously a kook. You're a crazy man. He's an anomaly?

No. When you live all by yourself. Recluse? Recluse, there it is. He's a recluse. He lives all by himself. We got a hold of him through a website. He has a website

that he checks once a month and he got back to us. I haven't seen anybody in like years or something. I'll tell you what. In Roger's last book, they were just talking about this with guys from World War II who were ordered to hold the fort in the Philippines. And this dude didn't come out until 1974.

So that's 30-plus years. This deaf guy has been out there looking for Bigfoot. And at the end of the night when we didn't find him, I guess it ended up being morning. And I got NFL drug tested, by the way, two hours after I got done with this hunt. Yeah. Which makes sense. Probably the most logical drug test they gave me out of the 216 was immediately after I was hunting for Bigfoot in the hills of Atlanta or in the hills of Georgia out there. We were told that somebody in the crew didn't believe enough.

That's why we didn't see. Ah. So kind of like Santa Claus. Well, that's. Who in the crew? Who in the crew didn't feel strong. That's why we didn't see. Ah, so kind of like Santa Claus. Well, that's who in the crew, who in the crew didn't feel strong enough. Believe me, I started questioning. You know, I started, excuse me, what's your problem? Yeah, they really said that to you. They really say that's a real thing. Yeah, and that

was when I lost it. That was when I said, all right, I'm out on this one. Did you go in? I know you went in. I had a cool experience. Do you really think you're going to see something? What the fuck? Yeah. Had this guy seen it? Yeah.

He lived in the woods for 20 years? He had a footprint that he had plastered. He had a footprint. He had some hair that he had pulled from a tree. Oh, no pictures, though, huh? Very odd. He doesn't have a camera. That's the thing about these blurry-ass Sasquatch.

You know, every photo looks like it's just a tree. It is tough to get your hands on a camera these days. Well, especially when you live in the woods all by yourself for fucking 20 years. There's kids that live on huts on the water that have Xbox and cell phones, and they don't even have electricity. They're running a generator from 12 miles away. You can get a cell phone and clear out there in the woods. Oh, you think this deaf guy that's been hunting Bigfoot every day of his life for 20 years

knows anything about anything with cameras? No way. That guy just likes to— How do you think he does his research? He got to research and put his put awesome stuff on his website dude maybe i'm maybe i'm being harsh on this guy i shouldn't judge you're just being dumb i paid him i got nothing out of it so i don't i don't think you're being too harsh it's like the ghost hunters too that show and they go around dark rooms oh there's something there well i actually did that as well and they had me download a radar

app on my phone and it actually would show you where spirits is around you. You have sit still and quiet. I mean, is that the highest grossing app of all time then? Sounds amazing. It told me four or five spirits were in a room that I was in. Holy shit. I did get the chills one time and they said that was

a spirit running through me and penetrating me. COVID. No, this is long before COVID. Pre-COVID. Did the ghosts survive COVID, I wonder? Oh, yeah. Mediums are still very much intact. What about Sasquatch? I think I'm out on Sasquatch.

In on ghosts, out on Sasquatches. Let's get to a break. I believe there are bones out there I'm mind blown though that these aren't bones now I'm learning what the fuck have they been digging up all this time there are there are also fossils

so the bones are fossils they're two different things there are a couple bones but most of the time they're just fossils there's imprints in the dirt no no because Stan was the most intact. Yeah. So that was a bone.

He was, yeah. Right? Where is the real Stan? Where is the original Stan? I would assume. Anonymous buyer, $31.8 million. Dr. Allen. Oh, so we don't know where it is.

No. But Rock had to come out and say, that was not me. Yeah. Dana White. Or Bezos building Jurassic Park somewhere. Just so I know before we get to this break, is Stan... Stan Lee died.

Rest in peace. You know? Is Stan the Tyrannosaurus Rex that I was just doing research on yesterday because I thought it was over Rock's shoulder the most intact Tyrannosaurus Rex in the history of Tyrannosaurus Rexi? Yes. That is bones they foundosaurus rex in the history of Tyrannosaurus rexi.

That is bones they found or that's just imprints of things that potentially led them to believe. So Nick, what are you saying? Why are you even coming in here? Did you guys not pay attention in 8th grade earth and science class? You don't know what fossils are? Dr. Alan Grant found Stan

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