The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 590 - CHAMPIONSHIP OVERREACTION MONDAY, Ian Rapoport, Darius Butler, Peter Schrager, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about this weekend's insane Conference Championship games with Joe Burrow and the Bengals continuing their improbable run to the Super Bowl after their upset over the Chiefs in Kansas City, and Matthew Stafford finally getting over the hump and getting the Rams to the Super Bowl in LA, as well as what it means for the Chiefs as the Bengals defense stifled Patrick Mahomes in the second half after their offense looked unstoppable in the 1st half, what's next for Jimmy G and the 49ers, and more. Joining the program to chat about the story that Tom Brady is retiring and how that process works, what he's hearing about coach openings in the NFL and who we can expect to see get hired next, what he's heard about Aaron Rodgers' meetings in Green Bay, and more (29:32-51:52). Next, Darius Butler joins the progrum to overreact to everything that happened in the games this weekend, why he thinks the Bengals are so tough, the Rams potentially giving them problems in two weeks, and more (1:19:54-1:36:42). Lastly, co-host of Good Morning Football, NFL Insider for FOX, Peter Schrager joins the show to chat about if he's had any conversations with Sean McVay, what he see's for Sean McVay moving forward, if Jimmy G has thrown his last pass as a 49ers QB, what he's hearing about the different coaching vacancies in the NFL, and who he thinks is going to win the Super Bowl (1:37:52-1:58:08). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Championship Overreaction Monday, January 31st, 2022. So much to talk about, okay? Huge day. Ian Rappaport stops by. Darius Butler stops by. Peter Schrager stops by. AJ's here. The boys are here.

A lot happened yesterday. We hit two super boos. No big deal. Let's go! If you enjoy the show, by the end of it, please be a friend. Tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Here we go.

If you enjoy the show, by the end of it, please be a friend and tell a friend. If not, just act like it never happened. Here we go. Going to SoFi Stadium in two weeks to battle it out to go down in history as Super Bowl champions. Will it be the Cincinnati Bengals representing the AFC after beating Don, the Kansas City Chiefs, in Kansas City with a kicker that doesn't seem to know how to miss in the postseason. 12 for 12. Joey B., by the way, a fucking guy. Yeah.

Or will it be the Los Angeles Rams, who have gone all in this year business-wise, sacrificing future first-round picks like they're absolute nothing? Give us Matthew fucking Stafford. Give us Vaughn Miller. Give us Odell Beckham Jr. And all of those guys and more are making plays to propel the Los Angeles Rams to be in the Super Bowl. In their home stadium against the Cincinnati Bengals squad that is coming in there ready to fight. Hell yeah.

I'm excited for everything. I can't wait to chat about the games that were yesterday. What the hell happened in the second half to the Kansas City Chiefs offense? Was that because of the Cincinnati Bengals defense? And what happened to this Niners team that we thought for sure was going to go on to go on to have a win? Well, there was an interception almost a place late. That thing was dropped.

I think every person that knows football immediately said, oh, that was your chance, that was an interception almost a place late. That thing was dropped. I think every person that knows football immediately said, oh, that was your chance, that was your chance. The football gods were on the Niner side throughout the entire game, whether it was grit plays or kicks or penalties or fourth downs. It felt like the football gods were on the Niner side. They dropped that pick. No, no, can't have it. Here we go.

Odell Beckham Jr., boom, boom, boom. Los Angeles gets a win. What an electrifying Sunday. We can't thank you enough for overreacting with us here today. Can't wait to chat with you on the 5-Hour Energy phone line, 1-833-4MACAVEE, and can't wait to get through the hashtag PMS. I don't want to overreact, but tweets that we made a bird call for this morning on the beautiful Twitter. We have incredible guests today, Darius Butler, Ian Rappaport, and will somebody text Schrags to see if he wants to stop by today to chit-chat about his best friend and podcast co-host, Sean McVay,

back in the Super Bowl at the young age of 36, getting a team all the way back. The boys are here at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor, at Tone Diggs. We had two super boosts yesterday back to back that was fucking awesome hit him for like 16 million dollars yesterday with our super boost it felt like now this is going to sound arrogant and i don't want to ever sound that way but it felt like when i logged in to FanDuel to pick out what both parlays were going to be, the bets were just falling right in front of my face. I would scroll.

I would see something. Boom! That's definitely going to happen. You're telling me Debo Samuel to score a touchdown? What? Cooper Cupp to score a touchdown? Right. And Matthew Stafford to throw for 250 is plus 500?

Give me that, please. You're telling me Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown, Jamar Chase to score a touchdown, Tyreek Hill to record 50 yards, and then Joe Burrow to throw for exactly 250 yards is plus 600 in this Super Bowl? Fucking give me that. We hit plus 600, plus 500 yesterday in this Super Bowl. Fucking give me that. We hit plus 600, plus 500 yesterday in the Super Bowl.

And although the week before we went 0 for 2, yesterday we went 2 and 0. Who's harder than us? Nobody. And we're going in the Super Bowl to continue to rake this goddamn money. It's better to be hot late than to not be hot at all. I'm excited about what we did yesterday at Tone Diggs. You also were accurate in your predictions on who's going to win, who's going to cover, how things are going to go.

What was the weekend like gambling-wise? And what were some surprises that you seen and learned yesterday? Yeah, first off, hats off to you because plus 600 is a 14% chance to win a bet. Well, it was boosted. It was actually plus something lower. Still, yeah, still. Pretty good. I mean, for you to hit two of those is absolutely absurd.

Thank you. I will take my thank you. There were some tough beats this year on these Superboosts. There were some tough goes, some tough downfalls, a lot of hope, and oh, shit, we're close, and then bang, we're down. And then Championship Sunday for two of those to hit. Thank you. I needed it.

I think it was something that the entire season called upon, really, in my eyes, for me personally. But the only thing that's good is we took them for $16 million. Yeah. $15.8 something, $15.9, whatever the case, let's round it up. We took them for $16 million yesterday, and if I know anything about anything, heaters don't just stop. What's the next game?

Super Bowl. That's good news because we're about to hit them for big. And wait until this coin toss thing. I'm definitely getting that right. Definitely getting that right. I mean, what are we even talking about? I'm all the way back out here. But thank you.

You got to shout out T. Higgins for getting that extra yard because in the past he would have got one yard short. That was the story of this year. Not for him, but for our boosts in part. Yeah. Correct. And then that was huge.

The fangle got Fando got taken there. And then some fucking guy put $20 and won 570,000 on the correct score this weekend at Fando hit them back to back. And I don't know if we've gone through the entire hashtag PMS feel good Friday scores. I'd assume somebody would have guessed this score, but somebody actually put the bet in on Vandal for the two exactas. This guy won exacta, exacta, yeah, 500 and some thousand dollars. He won off a $20 bet. Shout out to that dude. All right, let's start talking about these games a little bit because there was a lot that had happened yesterday.

It appeared as if everybody on earth, including writers, reporters, family members of team players, everybody thought the Chiefs was winning that one. 18-point lead at one point. Halftime celebrations were high. Applebee's songs were being sung. Everything was popping off. The CBS crew at their halftime show couldn't hear a goddamn word any of them saying because how happy the Chiefs kingdom was.

How happy Kansas City was. They're up. They got Patty Mahomes. It's the Bengals. Take a fucking hike. Bengals. I actually took Cincinnati Bengals plus seven and a half. Felt very good about it.

Then I was watching the first half. I think like a lot of people, of course, this is what the Chiefs do. When the Chiefs is vibing, the Chiefs is tough to stop. And then whatever the Bengals did at halftime, I don't know what they drank, what they did, what they said, who hugged what, and who decided when they came out and flipped the script on that thing completely. Patrick Mahomes' QBR was like 100-and-something in the first half, zero in the second half.

That's lower than what Carson Wentz had against the Jacksonville Jaguars in the last week of the season. Zero QBR at the end. Yeah, NFL on CBS tweeted, Patrick Mahomes QB rating by the half, 149.9 in the first half. Awesome. Holy shit, this is the Chiefs. This is exactly what we saw this Chiefs offense look like

against the Bills defense last week. They've continued it right into this week. This is going to be a problem for everybody. Second half, zero. Cincinnati Bengals somehow took out the fire extinguisher, blew that thing down, and shut off the entire fire that was the Chiefs' offense. Congrats to that Cincinnati Bengals team for doing that.

Now the whole conversation is going to revolve around what the fuck happened to Patrick Mahomes. That pick, obviously incredible play. I mean, Bates is a menace. Yeah, very good. He is a hell of a ball player. I did not know he existed before a few weeks ago. That's on me. I have a football show. I talk about the NFL.

I should at least talk about that guy. It looked like he did that on purpose, the little ball tip, but then the fumble by Patrick Mahomes on third down to lose like 35 yards for a game-tying field goal back there. He didn't look anything like what we had seen from him in his greatest moments, what we had seen from him in his greatest moments what we had seen from

him in past afc championship games in which i think he's two and one or three and one three and one i think two and two now because he lost to brady and then yes so he's two he was two and one but the brady lost he didn't get to go back on the field for overtime right so he everybody's just assuming he would have went out there and had another great drive and had a great game he had always done well in these biggest games. And then the second half, just complete fall apart. Let's assume it's the entire offense. Let's do that whole thing and not just blame it completely on him.

But maybe it was Jackson and Brittany. Absolutely. It's possible. I mean, it's certainly possible. I don't want to spotlight, gaslight anything like that. But, I mean, it's going to be a long offseason for those two, I think. I think there's going to be some personal growth this off season soul search i think there is i think there's gonna be some personal growth this off season and this is not just about

patrick losing in the afc championship there's only four teams left right they should be pumped that they even made it to the afc championship that feeling will not happen until they retire by the way like next week they're not happy they made it to the AFC championship. Nobody's openly allowed to be happy you made it to the AFC championship anyways. It's just one of those things where if you don't make it to the Super Bowl, you stink, especially when that team is littered with Ferraris and it's like built to go to the Super Bowl. But I think there's a lot of personal growth that happens after losing and not attaining whatever everybody else is expecting

and not reaching the goals that you have in front of you that you could have definitely got. And then you start thinking about what could you change? How could we change? What do we do? I wonder if we will see the same tag team duo off the field around the Mahomes family next season as we saw this season. I would take a strong guess at no.

Just a strong guess at no. I might be wrong. There are some people in this studio that are Team Brittany, and this is not one of those things. But they've been thrusted into the spotlight as well at a young age, right? Off the field. Patrick Mahomes. Then there's videos obviously surfacing from yesterday from the tag team

of Inseparability over there. I mean, there is just a lot of stuff. But I think next season we'll see a very different group. But I am bummed for the Chiefs who had a hell of a run, hell of a team, and looked like they were going to be able to go. But what a fucking play by the Bengals' defense turned around. And Joey Burrow. Oh, man.

Everybody's talking Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, which I appreciate and respect, and I was a part of the conversation. I even asked Josh Allen, like, hey, when you and Patrick Mahomes look at each other and chat with each other, do you know that you guys are potentially the next Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and the AFC? You two are going to see each other. You two are going to be running into each other probably chat with each other. Do you know that you guys are potentially the next Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and the AFC? You two are going to see each other. You two are going to be running into each other probably the next 10 years. I wonder if Joey Burrow heard all of that and was like, what the fuck is all this conversation about? Now, he's basically at the end of his

rookie year now. Everybody's going to say he's not a rookie. He's not a rookie. He got hurt last year, and we missed a large portion of his rookie season with him. When we saw him playing, holy shit, this guy's a guy. Oh, he just dies every other play though. There was games last year where he would literally look like he was beheaded. He was getting hit so hard in his shoulder. His head would be bouncing a different direction. He'd get out there and play, make great decisions. He'd be able to, you know, kind of break down a defense and do his thing. But now he's back. I feel like he learned from that whole thing. He doesn't take as many big shots. He's still mobile. He still extends plays. He has

this ability to break down defenses, and it feels like the moment is the moment. He knows it, and he seizes it. He makes big-time plays. That entire team rallies around him. What a fucking baller that guy is. I cannot wait to see what he becomes. And the way he dresses the games, he knows

it. He knows it. I got too much money for these diamonds to be fake, he said. And the way he dresses the games, he knows it. Talk to you. He knows it. I got too much money for these diamonds to be fake, he said, in a very professional manner. I don't think he wanted to say, don't you ever ask that question to me again. But his style, his swag, his moxie, his intelligence, his grit, and

his talent are just something that we are incredibly lucky that we are about to witness this in the NFL, I think. And I apologize to Joey Burr Joey Shiesty Joe B I apologize to the moxie god of Cincinnati that literally I fed into the conversation too that the future of the AFC is running through two places I think this dude won't let it. To be transparent, this show has talked

copious amounts of shit about the Bengals organization. Rightfully so. Not the players. No. Not the coaches. Not the fans. The organization.

Like building an indoor facility. Not the coaches. No. Not the fans. No. The organization. Yes. You know, like building an indoor facility. You're in a state that has four seasons, very cold four seasons. There's actually a very large dong-shaped snowstorm that's about to come through the Midwest and probably dump on Cincinnati. Okay? Los Angeles is able to practice in Los Angeles this week. Now, granted, Cincinnati will be out there next week for the Super Bowl week.

That's an entire thing. But this week leading up to it, everybody's just trying to get healthy. You're not trying to do too much. They're going to be trying to practice underneath the highway. There might be a foot of snow on the ground in Cincinnati. But, hey, listen, they've gotten this far without it. And maybe because they don't have an indoor facility, the amount of grit and callous that they've been able to build up has made them be able to weather any storm.

Like an 18-point deficit in the middle of the AFC Championship game. At the home of the Chiefs. With the kingdom loud as shit, maybe it is because there's no indoor practice facility. Maybe it is because ownership spends less money than everybody else. Maybe it is the reason why they're great. Or maybe this team is fucking great. And let's go ahead and try to make them. Let's give them every opportunity.

Let's go and do it. Whatever the case, I fucking love that the Bengals are out there. Not great for us because we do bury the Bengals organization often. So it's not like we have much access. I mean, Money Mac's our guy. I got a text from Hub Hughes, Kevin Huber last night. He pointed out that, you know, I was in Nashville the night before that game. Okay.

Titans. And then he pointed out that I was in Kansas City the night before. Kansas City. That was the text he sent. He said, hey, man, just want to, you know. I said, good news for you. I think I'm at an event in L.A. on Saturday night. How about that?

And I do believe I'm going to be speaking. So I will give a Rams. I will give it. Yeah, go Rams, go. Let the boys in there know that, you know, the old SmackDown McAfee Minute hype curse is coming to L.A. I ain't missing it. You know, I'm doing the whole thing.

That's how the Bengals have gotten to the Super Bowl. They have literally gone through every city that we've been in. And Kansas City, it felt like Nashville. It felt like, oh, shit, we're hosting this massive game. Kansas City, oh, shit, it feels big. And, like, you know, it felt large in the super bowl i don't know how much bigger a moment can be than what joey and them have already experienced like i don't know how more nervous you can get because it's a super bowl i don't think they're going i think that team

is going to be very comfortable going into sofi as they should be by the way but out in la i mean they will be the bangles will be the home team out there i know it's technically the ram stadium but the bangles are going to have more fans than the Rams. So the secondary markets are cooking. Yeah, I assume. I guess the secondary markets are cooking because a lot of people and a lot of different teams bought their Super Bowl tickets ahead of time. You know, the wealthy folk who have access to buying $5,000 tickets or whatever

because they hope that their team is going to make it. They had eyes that their team was going to make it. So we're going to go ahead and get out in front of this, and we're going to buy these ridiculously priced tickets to make it. They had eyes that their team was going to make it. So we're going to go ahead and get out in front of this. We're going to buy these ridiculously priced tickets to a game. Now that their team hasn't made it, oh shit, now you've got to unload these tickets. Secondary markets are cooking right now.

We only know that because SeatGeek is in the house. Everybody SeatGeek. So we're getting a little stats and whatever. Secondary markets are big right now and for Rams players, they have to know that's not great news for us. Secondary markets cooking, that means probably a lot of outsiders, although Super Bowls are very interestingly fanned.

And I was very lucky to play in a Super Bowl my rookie year. It was interesting down in Miami. It was Colts, obviously Saints at the time for the game. There's so many people that are there just because they go to every Super Bowl. My God, we just go to every Super Bowl. So you got like people in suits sitting out there. You got people that don't give a fuck about the game at all. So it's nowhere near, in my experience, like as intense or as whatever.

It's just all the pageantry and the bullshit that you have to kind of get through to get to the game. And I'm not saying I didn't do any of that. Nobody had a clue who I was. I was able to walk through media day and everything. People thought I worked for the team. It was not a problem, but I'm just saying your stars getting through the week of Superbowl bullshit, I think is the most difficult part. And then once the game finally starts, I think it's like almost like a relaxing feeling for everybody that plays in it. But what a moment for the Los Angeles Rams who are built for the big moment. Oh yeah yeah. Kroenke, I seen him. He was holding that NFC Championship in SoFi Stadium trophy.

In SoFi Stadium, the confetti was raining down. And next week, the Super Bowl was in L.A. and his team's in it. I actually saw in his face, he said, I just won the fan base of Los Angeles. I did it. The Chargers are fucking dead in the water. The Chargers have their loyal fans or whatever but not many

independents you know especially in the city of LA who I think like good things like good times I don't know if they weather the storm much the people that go to LA not that LA locals don't do I'm just talking about normally the people that flock to LA are trying to get away from something or get into something so I think they enjoy good

times just naturally that might be a broad brush painting. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that is why I feel the way I feel. I've been there. I felt that in the humans that I interacted as well. They like good shit. That guy who spent, what, $6 billion on that stadium? Yeah, at least.

And then he paid another billion or whatever to St. Louis to get out there. Holding that NFC Championship trophy was just like, yeah, fucking well worth it right fuck you st louis i knew it and then walked off there that guy they won yeah oh yeah even though niners fans were definitely in there and there was a lot of red cronky one hosting the nfc championship and then the super bowl winning the nfc champion i mean it is what a winner for him and then the Super Bowl. Winning the NFC Championship. I mean, it is. What a winner for him. And then, obviously, we have to turn our attention to the guy that was held captive in Detroit for all those years. Matthew Stafford

doing that interview with Terry Bradshaw, who was holding everybody weirdly close. I mean, it was weirdly close. He's getting old, so he's got to do the arm grab thing so they don't run away. The ears, maybe? Yeah, I don't know. He was doing the arm. He so they don't run away well yeah i don't know he was doing the arm there was actually he put that thing up on somebody i forget who he had his thing up on

somebody while he was talking and i enjoyed it because hey it's hard to hear up there and i i get it but it was a very it was a close conversation with a lot of people but when matt stafford got up there and they started talking and the confetti was falling and Sean McVay cut a promo how about a Corbett that was awesome unbelievable but Matthew Stafford sitting up there talking about it and there was this like shot looking up and he the trophy was there and then the confetti was falling it's like that guy he'd do it all along yeah Matthew Stafford, his family, everybody was like, hey, this guy's a guy. We're just, for whatever reason, it's not working. And then he goes to a new team first year.

He's in the Super Bowl, just like what happened with Tom and Peyton and everybody else who had the same type of thoughts. Like, if I had a little bit more say and I had some more weapons around me and maybe I was in a different situation, it would work out perfectly every single time. And we go from one Mexican vacation to now he is in the fucking Super Bowl representing

the NFC. After all of those years of hard work in Detroit, congrats to Matty Staff. Congrats, Matthew. It's like a piece of the Lions in the Super Bowl, I feel like. If I'm reading the Detroit fan base well off of my Twitter interactions, it does feel as if Detroit is happy for Matthew Stafford.

And you know what? That's great because that guy, I mean, he's balling out right now. He fucking deserves it, Pat. Yeah, he's doing everything he did in Detroit now in L.A. and in front of brighter lights. You guys are like the minor league, you know? Yeah, that's right. You got him ready.

You got him ready for the big stage. We gave him a lot of great. He went through a lot in Detroit. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for us. We've been saying all along Stafford's a dog. A.J. Hawk's been saying it. Aaron Rodgers has been saying it.

Pretty much every former player we talk to says Matthew Stafford is a dog. And also, happy for us because the Lions are definitely cursed. This just proves we are definitely cursed. There's an easy answer. You just pay Calvin Johnson. Simple. Just pay Calvin Johnson his money and then you move along, hopefully, and MCDC might be able to turn it around. But I was so happy for Matty Stafford.

His wife, how about when they shot up in the group? The hug with the group. Just so happy about it all. Yeah, real emotion and happiness and genuine. Because she has had probably conversations with people who maybe have doubted Matt. Said Matthew hasn't been able to win. She's heard all the shit that he has heard. She has been there through all of the chatter that he has had to withstand, which is a lot.

And then now, he's fucking wheeling and dealing into the super bowl yeah unreal and odell like even you gotta feel great about odell because he was you know in the worst situation possible and he got out and now he's going baker baker may or not baker i'm sorry johnny manziel yeah johnny manziel last night did come out and say like hey my Heisman's better in bronze and also Cleveland is the worst place on earth yeah so not the people he said not the people not the organization just Cleveland as a whole worst place on earth that's what Johnny Manziel said last night a couple times on Twitter obviously had the people going I think it was probably in defense of Odell Beckham Jr. getting out of there going into LA and seeing and seeing absolute success early and quick.

And it feels like everybody has bought in over there and all in on the ramming up the ass, you know, hashtag R-I-U-T-A. But Odell Beckham Sr., I think last night probably smoked my cigar bigger than Joey Burrow did and Jamar Chase did. I think Odell Beckham Sr. was probably like, my editing skills got me. I should be here for a series three. Goddamn Super Bowl,

man. I mean, it was Von Miller's back, Aaron Donald's back. There's a lot of stories. Jalen getting an opportunity. Bob Gold almost ripped Jalen's head off last night. He's playing in the Super Bowl. I think my favorite thing about Jalen

is he wears a mask over his mouth and then he has his mouth guard hanging from his thing. There's actually no chance that thing could get in because it is attached. It's just a part of the look. But him getting in Bob Gold's face, what was that all about? That wasn't because Bob Gold was kicking over the kickoff team. No, because that happened after. Second half.

That happened in the afterwards. Bob Gold was just someone who gets in guys' heads. Fiery. I think Jalen was trying to get in Bob Gold's head. Yeah. But Bob Gold did say, like, hey, there's going to be more Niners fans here. Like, this is our house now, so maybe Jalen Ramsey took some of it. Okay, Bob.

Who's house? They said it. Yeah. They're covering the sign in the end zone. Did you see that? Because it says Rams house. Like, when they were kicking field goals, and Niners fans put, like, a Niners sign in front of the Rams.

I mean, it was pretty good. The Niners fans, Faithful, also infiltrated the NFL game day morning show, which is filmed at SoFi. They almost had a CBS halftime incident on the morning show. Because a Debo, there was a chant, chant I guess a sing-along Debo and they were singing it I guess directly into the microphones of the game day morning people and they were trying to talk and have their thing and the Niners faithful were definitely there it looked like a college game day type set up there for a little bit with the amount of Niners people that

are out on that outside field so I thought oh this is gonna be a Niners night and you looked at the stadium there's a lot of red scattered in there oh yeah but at the end when it was celebration time it felt like there was a lot of rams fans in there as well it's just good hey that's good nfc west battle that's right that's just good nfc west battle it was the niners night for a long time and then the football gods were on the niner side yeah that dropped that dropped the second one third and one and then shanahan punted, and then the next play was Stafford trying to punt back to the Niners,

and they dropped it, and then that was what that happened. That was curtains, dude, as Mike Vick would call it. It was the Odell. It was the Odell for the over and the super boost, and then the 15-yard penalty after that, too. And all of a sudden they were on the Niners' 40-yard line. That second one, third and one there, Trent Williams as a decoy was interesting. The third one.

Yeah, the third one. What are they doing? Because they did it twice against the Packers. Yeah. And, I mean, you can see why they would run it. Because film study would say as soon as Trent comes, they're probably shifting going this way. But I bet you, huh?

Huh? Huh? McVay's like, oh, Kyle always thinks he's so smart. Kyle always thinks he's so smart. Look for the decoy. Look for the gut. It's almost like they knew it was coming, which is great. That's the type of chess shit that's going on between play caller

and defensive coordinator there at all times. What a fucking day of football. Hey, thank you to the NFL team. Thank you, NFL. Matt Stafford's always been a guy. We just chatted about that. That is... I'm pumped for him.

That pick dropped. Huge. That was huge. That's what's crazy. Can you imagine if that is an interception and they lose the way people are talking about him today? He's done. He has a chance now still to win a Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl MVP, but if he does throw a pick there and then the niners march down and score

like so you're saying legacies are all kind of bullshit because you never know what happened to literally the play before i mean you could argue that yeah because i mean tom brady in the last year's nfc championship through three interceptions they beat aaron rogers aaron rogers the joker in the NFC, in the playoffs. Tom Brady's greatest of all time. You don't remember that, though. Only the bangers survive. Let's keep it moving.

And they beat the Chiefs. Dee Ford lined up offside. Game's over. Brady throws a pick. And instead, they're running it back. And then the Patriots end up winning in overtime. Isn't it crazy how one little throwaway play is literally the game changer? Speaking of Tom Brady, this weekend some news broke.

And then it didn't break. and then it was walked back, and then it was set as stone in one network and then questioned in every other network. Sometime during the beautiful Saturday that was, Jeff Darlington and Adam Schefter, and somehow Darlington has kind of drifted off into the stratosphere of this one, and Schefter is the only one that ended up breaking this news, I guess, at some point during Saturday. You know, just the coverage leading into Championship Sunday.

So Schefter and Darlington say that someone close to Tom Brady is saying that retirement is imminent, basically. Tom Brady is hanging it up after 20-some years. Congratulations to Tom Brady. And everybody that covers the NFL on a regular basis goes, oh, Jeff Darlington said it. Not Schefter, by the way. Schefter normally knows his shit, but the fact that Darlington was tagged in there, co-signed in there,

Jeff Darlington has had ins with the Tom Brady camp for a long time. Oh, yeah. So as soon as you see Darlington and Schefter, maybe that's why Schefter added Darlington into the tweet per me and Jeff Darlington because he knew that if you stack the Jeff Darlington on there, that's a little combo from Schefter. So Schefter hits you with the jab, and then he acts. And also Darlington's a part of that.

That's like, huh? Huh? How about some fucking, huh? That's what he's in the team. Yeah, this is per me and Jeff Darlington that he's like huh huh how about some fucking huh that's what he's in the team yeah this is per me and jeff darlington that he's going to retire so i think everybody that read that automatically assumed okay so it is official now we on this particular program as soon as there was any scent that he was retiring said oh he's retiring yeah this is not just a maybe retirement

this is a definite retirement. Everything we've learned about Tom Brady through the documentary or any conversation he has or any of his former teammates, this is not something that Tom would want to do, have it be bigger than anything else, dance around with, or even leak out without getting chopped off at the head and still continue to go. So there was no answer from Brady's team when these reports were going. And if any doubt sets in and the guy at that level, you'd think he'd step away. But you would also think that he would answer that immediate with Shadow Lion in his social media and everything. So we immediately said, oh, he's retiring then.

And we just kind of sat back. Then the Schefter-Darlington thing comes through. It's like, oh, he's definitely retiring. His statement is imminent. And then Brady's team has to step in and say, no, no, not yet. Because Tom Brady wanted to do his retirement on his own fucking terms, probably through some incredible video that was made by Shadow Lion with clips and thank yous and an entire thing, maybe on the Let's Go podcast that he has, maybe the final man in the arena. Somehow Tom wanted to do it himself and now somebody who has

been in his camp for a long time jeff darlington who was also added in that release is a part of the potential message getting out there beforehand jeff darlington probably kicked out of the brady camp if i had to guess if this isn't real but i do assume that there's going to be something epic coming in the short future here from tom Brady. And the thing that fueled the fire on Saturday was there was a TB12 sports tweet that was deleted that was congratulating him on retirement and then it was deleted. So it was Tom like, hey, delete that

tweet. That's not a thing yet. And then the box came out and said, we haven't heard anything yet. Okay, and BA said, well, he hasn't told us and we don't know what's going on. Joining us now is an insider from the NFL and NFL Network. Okay. And the reason why I talked about the Tom Brady thing there

is because, maybe we can get some clarification here, from a guy who watched somebody else shovel his entire walkway, driveway, and house this weekend after a nor'easter, dropped a few feet down. I don't believe it was his kids. No. And joining us, the man who's with the weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and Friends host,

us being the friends, he being Rap Sheet, Ian Rapoport. Hey, Rap Sheet! What's going on, dude? You can't literally shovel? What's going on? It was my wife. Come on, Rap Sheet. Well, hold on.

In my defense, she was the one who was smoking the ribs, so she needed to shovel it to make sure that we had a trail to go to the trailer. I don't. And she was the only one eating the ribs, too, right? She was just her ribs? Oh, no, she was making ribs for you. She can't eat four racks of ribs by herself. Plus, it was beans, it was mac and cheese. by herself. Plus there was beans, mac and cheese. So she's making this incredible feast for you. And, uh, you thought, well, since you're doing the making of the feast, I'm going to benefit from it, but since you're doing the work might as well. That's what you said. Well, I mean, she's going there anyway. So it's not like she has to like leave the house

and like go somewhere else. She's literally walking there regardless. Anyway, the ribs were great, by the way. I bet. I bet they were. And I'm sure the narrative has been painted that you are a terrible husband. But you, hey, you do what you got to do. You know what I mean? You eat those ribs and beans and everything that that Traeger. Is that what you said?

It was a Traeger girl? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they were pumped, too. You know, like. Oh, yeah. They were pumped. It's a new thing they're doing.

Traeger provisions. It's really quite delicious actually. I'm sure. And they're like thank you Ian for telling the world in the middle of one

of the biggest snowstorms that you refuse to do anything but you will receive the benefit of how good the Traeger grill is. I'm sure they were pumped for that Ian

as are we. Hey tell your wife she's a fucking angel. Thank you Mrs. Rap Sheet. Thank you Mrs. Rap Sheet. Thank you, Mrs. Rap Sheet. Thank you, Mrs. Sheet. She's great. All right.

Yeah, clearly. You dirtbag. Yeah, I mean, she's shoveling for you. All right, anyways, let's get to the football. The Tom Brady situation. So he wanted to release his own message. He didn't want anybody else to do it for him. Darlington, who's inside of his camp in Schefter,

decided to release that he's retiring before he can release his statement is that an accurate assessment of what's going on and do you think Darlington's getting kicked out of the camp and have you ever been in this type of situation before um okay I would say first of all as far as like the veracity of the reports and what like I believe he plans to retire so I don't I don't think the story is wrong and it's hard to imagine it would be honestly like once I mean we talked about it last week once someone starts talking about gonna do his best for my family I want to see my kids like I feel like most people knew that this was it and the greatest who ever played was probably not going to play again um I would say

my sense of it is Brady wanted to do this himself. There is an as-yet-unreleased episode of Man in the Arena, which is incidentally also on ESPN, ESPN Plus, that may or may not contain a retirement speech from Tom Brady. I'll be interested to see if it does. But everything Brady does is prepared and polished and really perfect. I mean, he's great at social media. His shows are great. He's surrounded himself with a really good team. And I imagine that this would have been very,

very good. And this is how he wanted to do it himself, which is great. I mean, I feel like he should, you know, he sort of earned it. And, you know And life happens like that sometimes. So it just wasn't the case, and it got out. Can we go back? I imagine he's extremely upset about it. Yeah, I don't think he's happy. But let's go back to what you said there. You said it feels like everybody knew he was going to retire that was kind of new.

We literally did talk about it last week, and I think you said that. Are you saying that Schefter and Darlington kind of – they kind of pieced something as breaking news that everybody kind of assumed and almost just cut Tom Brady right out of his knees? What is that? Why would they do that? Why would Darlington do that, you think? I mean, I don't want to talk for Jeff because he's a good guy.

Jeff, by the way, probably a good guy. Probably a good guy. We don't know. I don't know him that well. He is a very good guy. And so it is news i mean it is news tom brady retiring is news and it's big news so i i don't i don't know what went into their thought process espn has said they stand by the reporting i believe the reporting

is right um but but it is news and i'm sure they had the discussion of like, clearly Brady wants to do this himself. We know it's true. Should we just do it? I assume they had that. I was surprised at the reaction from Brady's camp. Because it was pretty, I mean, his dad was pretty upset. Everybody seemed to be upset. But I mean, I imagine they reached out to them beforehand too.

So it was, you know, from my standpoint, like it was, of course, it was frustrating. Someone else has a very big story. But it was also fascinating to see how it played out just from the initial splash and then the denials, but it's also going to be true. And Brady wanted to release it himself and the people who reported it. This was all a very, very interesting weekend. Accumulation of information right is that what we're saying i mean well i also want to say something else you mentioned like you know did i

think it was something well we all kind of knew yes i think we all did kind of know but to be the one to say this is happening is big like that it happens in trades and stuff too like yeah we all kind of think you know carson's going to the cults or whatever sorry and but to be the one to say like this is happening in our world's a big deal all right well this is you know i mean there's a lot to dive into there okay just like i'm not going to allow you just because you were the bearer of bad news. Did you see that? Yeah. When the lights go down on a scumbag Alright, we're back.

That's great. Who forced his wife to shovel snow because he wanted those ribs now on his Traeger grill. Scum. Lights good?

Also, by the way, the best thing about the ribs is you put them face down in like honey and then a little bit of brown sugar and then you wrap them up and it all kind of soaks in. Who does? Your wife does. You don't. I do sometimes. This time I happen not to. Oh, because there was a blizzard outside. Yeah, of course. It was cold.

It was very cold. Hey, those ribs are delicious. Top nostrils. Top nostrils as well. At what point are you allowed to be the person that definitively breaks the story that everybody knows about? Because this is very similar to the accumulation of information about Aaron Rodgers on draft day. Because you said, I think we talked to you afterwards, and also everybody behind the scenes was like, yeah, we all kind of knew that there was something brewing, but none of us wanted to be the people that,

or were the people that were able to definitively say something. It's just, how much of that happens? How do you know when the right time is to go with that thing? Good question. I would say my, the way I generally handle it is I will try very hard. And this is after years of doing it the opposite way, but I will try very hard to reach out to the people involved and get them, either get to them and say, this is what I'm reporting, I must, or I'm going to report this, give me your feedback, I'll do it all together. So the Aaron Rodgers thing, and a lot of times there's a news peg that comes with it. Let's say for Rodgers, the news peg was, could he have been traded before the draft? Now we all know now that was never going to happen.

It was basically a phone call, a hang up, that was never going to happen. But I think some of us thought at the time that it might. So that was sort of the news peg. The thing with Brady was, when was he going to announce it and would you want to beat his announcement? If that was me, you try to reach out to Brady and be like, I have this. you know, let's wrap it all in once together and try to do it once. Now, the other part of it is at some point in a story, you say, I must go with this because it is true or it is timely or someone else is going to have it. So I have it. I should, I should be the one to do like at some point you say, I just am going to roll with this, whether or not you're on board or whatever. And like, that is,

that's a tough decision. It goes, you know, that's the kind of thing you talk to your editors about and you weigh a lot of factors, but at some point you just have to say, I know this, it is a fact, and I'm going to report it and I will deal with whatever the repercussions are. That's awesome. At a much smaller level, by the way. Yeah. It's an awesome insight into how you guys all have to operate. I appreciate you doing that in a much smaller level, by the way. Yeah, it's an awesome insight into how you guys all have to operate. I appreciate you doing that. In a much smaller way, Ian was a part of my retirement press conference that was filmed hours and hours and hours before it was released. And I think you didn't think it was going to be news or whatever the case was.

You held that thing in and had a great performance in the retirement press conference. Yeah, it really did. Yeah, it was really good. Everybody thought actually, hey, here's a guy who'll make his wife go shovel snow right there. That's right. It was good acting. Yeah. It was great acting.

It was me and Greg Olson, if I remember correctly, right? Yeah, Vinatieri was in there as well. Big Cat got a couple good questions in, I think. It was good. I mean, it wasn't bad. It was a good little retirement. But you were a man of your word, though. You said, obviously, whenever you guys have this thing go, just let me know.

That has to be a fine balance, especially when Darlington's name's attached to it. Let's get to some of the coaching searches here. Harbaugh, we mentioned last week, interest wasn't coming from the Raiders organization, but Harbaugh, there was interest for him to get back into the NFL. Now, I don't know if you thought that was what you were feeling, what you knew, or what the story was. I think that's starting to come out a little bit more, that the NFL is getting interesting for Harbaugh.

The Raiders hire the Patriots. Congrats to Ziegler and McDaniels. Yeah, good luck, boys. They're now to Las Vegas. Who knows how that's going to work out. Derek Carr is the quarterback of the future or not. There's a lot of questions to remain there. But Harbaugh interviews with the Vikings. Now is the quarterback of the future or not. There's a lot of questions to remain there. But Harbaugh, interviews with the Vikings.

Now he's interviewing with the Dolphins. Is he the one that has generated this entire thing? And is that how it works? People just get loud and say, I want back. And then they get opportunities. Because this coaching cycle thing seems to be very interesting. It's kind of dragging out at this point, isn't it? Yeah, it's painful.

It's like a slow bleed. And this is like, you know, I love it because it's fun and breaking news is fun. And we did it during our show game day morning yesterday, which is always great. Because, you know, you have your hit time scheduled. Like, all right, I'm on it, you know, 11.05 and 12.10, whatever. We got breaking news. It's like, all right, sit down. Let's go. That's always fun. Lights on.

But it really is dragging unbelievably. The Harbaugh thing, I had not heard that he is meeting with the Dolphins today. They are meeting with other finalists, so possible I get scooped. But I have not heard at all that there's interest from the Dolphins. Who are the other finalists down there? Because I know Dayball just went to the Giants, right? Congrats to Dayball. Going to the Giants.

Showed up in his Ford truck. Right out there in New York, Ford truck. Let's go to work,, right? Congrats to Data Ball. Congrats to Brian. Going to the Giants. Showed up in his Ford truck. Right out there in New York, Ford truck. Let's go to work, right? Right. We need to turn this place around. Right. This is a hard hat. Right.

Right. We got some beers. Right. New York, New Jersey. Probably look at me and say, oh, we got another big white doofus in here. Right. But this white one's a little bit different. Right.

Right. He's super smart. Right. Had a good offense. Right. People show up in Benzos in Chicago. Right. What? What? He's super smart. What? Had a good offense. What? People show up in Benzos in Chicago. What? Not here.

F-150. What? That was a Benz in Chicago? Prod partner. Two of them, yeah. G-Wagon. Eberflus shows up in a G-Wagon. Must be nice.

Yeah. G-Wagon, baby. I don't know what Eberflus was whipping around town here in Indy, but I know up there he's got this matte gray G-Wagon he know up there he's got this Matt Gray G-Wagon he showed up. Let's get to work, he said. I'm like, well, is he going to be a little bit too comfortable in your car? Maybe get to work. Fucking Dayball showing up in the F1.

Anyways, I thought he was maybe going to Miami because he was going to go back with Tua. Who are the finalists down in Miami now? Yeah, I, you know, there's a lot of secrets in this coaching world because no one wants to get sort of trumped on a hire that they have. So no one, you know, they don't always tell the truth. So it's tough to get a feel on it until it's like it's happening.

I kind of felt like Dayball might go to Miami too because of Tua, because he's got a great relationship with Steven Ross. And I'd hear, oh, whenever Dayball's teams come there, he talks with Steven Ross. And I kind of thought it was happening. And then the Giants basically made a move. Giants basically made a move saying all right we're gonna lock in Dayball and I wondered like would Miami respond and they didn't they were like we're taking our time we are good so they are going to interview Mike McDaniel who is a very brilliant offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers not a household name but a really smart dude and then Kellen Moore the offensive coordinator for the Cowboys.

As far as I can tell, those are the two finalists in Miami. They've got a really good defensive side of the ball. They probably keep those guys. And then that will be it. Okay, so let's talk about the former head coach there, Brian Flores. Is he still interviewing in places? Is he going to end up in places? What are some hirings that you predict or project in this prognostication of coaching in the NFL world? So Flores has an interview tomorrow with the Saints, which I would think it's fair to say Dennis Allen is the front runner there, but that's,

you know, Flores is pretty dynamic in the room apparently, so we'll see how that goes. Doug Peterson interviewed with the Saints yesterday and they got a couple others. And then Flores is still in play in Houston. And that's talking about slow searches. That's been sort of slow played as well. They had Josh McCown for a second interview, and then they had Gannon for a second interview on Saturday, I believe. Rich Gannon? Jonathan Gannon.

So you think, is there a room that Easterby sits in that has a skylight or something? And you think that's maybe next to McNair's office? And he like opens the door and he's like, has Jesus come through with an answer yet? And Easterby's like, tomorrow. And he just stares back at the Lord waiting for him. Who's making the decision down there? Is it Easterby deciding? McNair family?

Is there a third party, uh, ad consultant firm? Who do you think is making the decisions down there? Nick Casario is making the decisions and, you know, Easterby gets a lot of publicity. He does have say, so I'm not going to say he doesn't have say, but Casario was making the decisions. And that is, you know, he relies on the influence of Easterby, he relies on the expertise as far as the kind of people that they are bringing in. I believe that is what Easterby does, along with some other functional things. But Casario's making the decision. And, you know, I think last year with David Culley, you could go, you know,

a couple different ways on how that worked out. They decided not to retain him despite the team playing really hard and, say, playing pretty well at the end. You're telling me Easterby consults with Nick Casario? Yes. So he basically deals with a lot of character and the kind of people that they're bringing in and all sorts of stuff like that. Oh, so he doesn't make on-field decisions. No, no, no.

So Nick Casario isn't going like, Mr. Easterby, what are your thoughts on this? That's not happening, right? Because that would be tough for us to all respect Casario, I think, at this point. That is most certainly not happening. Okay, good, good, good. Thank God.

I was really excited to hear this. Because Casario, he's on the headset. He's on the field. He might be like, I don't want to say the future of that general manager position, especially if things start opening up. But he might be like a I don't want to say the future of that general manager position, especially if things start opening up, but he might be like a newer mold, right, with a more hands-on general manager. This might actually take place.

So if he's going to Easterby to ask him for strategy questions, I was about to say, all right, let's get that guy out of the conversation. But I don't know what Easterby knows, and who knows when Jesus comes, you know? I also can't speak to that. It's definitely not, I'm Jewish, so. But anyway. Well, he was technically, I guess. I don't know which book you're reading.

You guys didn't read the sequel, but I think if both of them. The first one. Yeah, but the sequel, I'm saying, I think if both of them, he is, you know. I read the sequel pretty good. Did you watch it or read it? I read it.

A lot of it. I read a lot of it. Some of it. I A lot of it. I read a lot of it. Some of it. I read some of it. That's a lot of pages. You read both of them? I've read a lot of both of them, yes. But as far as the Casario thing, it is interesting

to see if he does reshape the model a little bit. Because I know people think he's crazy being on the headset. I kind of don't see what's that big of a deal. Like he runs the whole operation. He should know what's being said. It's not like he's pushing the button and going, all right, let's run it to the left. Like he needs to know what's happening. I kind of think he should be on that. And if it works, Hey, if it works, nobody will care. If it doesn't, he'll get buried for it. And then people will ask other questions as well. Hindsight is always the biggest determiner about forward-thinking humans and people.

Go ahead, Ty. Rep G, what the hell is going on in Jacksonville? It seems like they reported that Leftwich was for sure getting it and that Balky was out, and now it's like Leftwich isn't the coach necessarily and Balky might still be there. What the hell is going on in Jacksonville? They're interviewing Rich Passaccia today. Hey, how's your family?

How you doing very good uh and i would say this like the players with the raiders like they they love them some rich passaccia like they i i everyone's excited for a new coach but i could feel it in vegas like they were feeling for their guy pass Passaccia. I get it. I definitely get it, but it's too bad. And so anyway, so Lefkowitz. Zito, he's not getting a G-Wagon if he's a special teams coordinator for the Chicago Bears. We're giving him one. Yes, we are. I mean, maybe. He's interviewing in Jacksonville, though.

He's not looking at special teams jobs anymore. He's a fucking head coach. That guy took a team job. It's rinsed, though. What do you think is happening? You think somebody told Con though, like, Hey, you should maybe think about somebody who's coached before being in the NFL.

Like, what do you think is the big, I mean, that all lies was Byron never close to being the guy. There's nothing wrong with just interviewing guys to see. I, so they have, they put in a request for Kevin O'Connell,

the Rams offensive coordinator. It was on Friday. It was a Friday or Saturday. And because of the rules, because they didn't interview him the Rams offensive coordinator, I think it was on Friday. Was it Friday or Saturday? And because of the rules, because they didn't interview him the first time around, kind of when that early window opened, they have to wait until after the Super Bowl because the Rams are good and they won. So the Jaguars may actually just wait. And so they have nothing but time.

So interviewing Rich Passaccia and see if it sticks is not a bad thing. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, rap sheet. With McDaniels leaving, is there a chance we see Billy O'Brien come home to New England? And also, if B-Flow doesn't end up getting a head coaching job, could you see him going back as well? It's like Saban up there.

Yep. Come on back. I mean, that basically could be like, what are they called, Alabama? Like the rehabilitation? Coach rehab. Coach rehab, yeah, yeah. So we could see Bill O'Brien. Hold on.

Coaching, reputation, rehabilitation. The problem with when Josh left last time or when he was supposed to leave last time and then didn't and then Frank Wright came in to save the day, part of the issue was they had no one to replace him, so New England made him this huge contract offer. Bill O'Brien is available now. That actually does make sense if O'Brien wants to do it, if they can get all on the same page. So I would probably keep an eye on that. And then Flores, going back to New England, I guess anything's possible. I have not heard that

that is in his plans. I don't know what he wants to do and he still may get a job. But to me, there is all benefit and no downside to taking a year off and like consulting and just like just just letting it all decompress a little bit yeah i mean decompression you know you know kind of reassessing what's going on always a good move every time we get to chat with you ian it's always great uh we got about 10 seconds here for hour one to wrap up on sirius xm we'll be back in 10 minutes after that with more heat. And A.J. Hawk and Darius Butler, be a friend to other friends. See ya.

Okay, so we're off to Sirius. Fucking right on it, by the way. Yeah, nailed it. On the screws. I'm talking about it. I thought that was good. Mark McGuire. See ya.

Bang. You know what I mean? Summer of slaying. I mean, it was. Hey, I mean, that was. Oh, yeah. Hanging curve. Barry Bonds.

Yeah, because Ian was giving an answer, too, so we didn't fully know. You hitting lefty is just so weird to me. I get it, but it's just weird. Dude, you didn't shovel snow this weekend. You made your wife shovel. So. That's weird. Connor has a real problem.

Yeah, Connor's not happy about it, dude. It's fucking Nor'easter, dude. Yeah. Come on. Come on, man. Take a little Columbia out of your backpack and pick up a little blue collar. Jeez. Jeez, Louise, dude. You know what Columbia out of your backpack and pick up a little blue collar. Jeez Louise, dude. You know what I mean?

The internet was coming out. Maybe next time, if I'm here and not away on the various trips that I have coming up, maybe I'll shovel snow next time, but hopefully I'll be away. Now, to be clear. Hopefully. Hopefully I'll be away. Are you saying I'm a snowblower, dude? That's what I was about to say.

I couldn't tell you the last time I shoveled, but there ain't no way Sam's going to shovel either. You just get somebody to do it. It has to be some neighborhood kid. Neighbor kids? I'm a man of the people. I'm a man of the people. That's where he's at. There's probably no kids.

No, no, no, no. There's no kids going out. No way. Not a chance. On this day and age. No way. Not everywhere he lives. No.

Oh, my God. I hate to say this, but I have to go do some... Yeah, there we go. Look at those ribs. All right, last thing before you go. I understand you probably have to do some TV.

We appreciate all your time. Those ribs look great. Thanks to Traeger and Mrs. Rappaport. Thank you, Mrs. Rappaport. Real quick, Aaron Rodgers, you've been writing a lot. What do you know?

Who's giving you information? And when should we expect whatever to happen to happen? I'll be tuning in to your show. By tuning in, I mean I'll be tuning in to your show. By tuning in, I mean I'll be waiting outside the door watching for him to arrive. Just real quick, because I do have to run and do my other job.

This was interesting to me because I kind of thought he would peace out after the season, say goodbyes, and just go. Sounds like he stuck around for a couple days and worked with LeFleur and planned for the future. Nothing definitive, and I know that no one in the world, certainly no one in the Packers building is kind of like, no one in the Packers building is kind of like, we got it or whatever, but they want him back badly,

and they were at least encouraged by what happened, at least encouraged cautious optimism, I would say. That's amazing to hear. Packers fan in the building just got very excited. I assume all Packers are going to be thankful to hear that. We appreciate you. Good luck on TV. Good luck breaking whatever news you're about to break. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport.

That one buffer talking right over Robbie Gold's kickoff. Oh yeah. Let's get it. And the kick from Bob Gold is a touchback. Talks to the tables here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. At Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer. Done.

Cowboys is here. How was the weekend gambling for you guys? Really good for everybody in the office, it feels like. Yeah, we all did really well. Yes, we did. Hell yeah. Two Super Boots in one day. What?

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But all year, he's been a prognosticating son of a bitch. This guy's won a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion. He's won the Ryder Cup as a football player somehow, and he survived COVID. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hahn. Hey, A.J. A. Hey, A.J. A.J., what's going on, dude? What's up? I went 1-1. I didn't go 2-0. Nah, yeah, you had Rams.

Yeah, they won. They did win. Yeah, it wasn't a money line. Yeah, it wasn't a money line thing. Yeah, it was 3-1. Okay, that's fine. Whatever. Hey, the two teams, well, I guess I didn't say the Bengals would win, but yeah. Fun weekend of football, wasn't it? Hey, fun day of football.

Fun day. Hot start here on the server reaction. Fun day. It was awesome. And we'll chat about both games. I want to talk about you being in Ohio, though. And I've seen a lot of love for Cincinnati out of the entire state of Ohio. You and I have talked about on this show about the frenzy behind Ohio guy,

Joey Burrow being just this unflappable moxie having gunslinger who I think maybe has had to hear everybody talk about Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen being the next Peyton and Tom Brady in the AFC. And although I'm not 100% sure he'll ever come out and say that, there's probably him and a lot of people around him saying, hey, this motherfucker's different. Joey Burrow seems to be an absolute stud. He doesn't blink. The plays he makes when he has to make them unbelievable. And that entire squad, the defense in the second half, Money Mac making kicks as if pressure doesn't exist in that world. He's four for four in the last three games trying to get Adam Vinatieri's record. He has 40 points going into the Super Bowl, which is obviously the most ever entering a Super Bowl.

He could potentially break a lot of records that Adam Vinatieri holds in his first year as a kicker in the NFL. But this Bengals team doesn't appear to be going anywhere, AJ. How's the feeling in Ohio? Let's go to the fucking Super Bowl, dude. Yeah, I would say people are pretty juiced up here in Ohio, in the Columbus area especially. I mean, the thing is, like, the range of emotions that comes from watching playoff games, especially huge playoff games.

So I got – I don't know how many texts I got during the first half of that Bengals game. Like, well, it was a good run, wasn't it? We just ran into a tougher – you know, these Chiefs are serious. And Pete and I, like, I never responded to anybody because I do. I know what joe burrow is capable of what that defense is capable of and hey he showed us again like is he gonna have to go and when i come from behind win in the super bowl to prove to people finally like hey we're

we're a legit team listen i mean maybe i'm not a hermian sure but this is still and i said this earlier and it's almost disrespectful to joey burrow but with how many games he missed in his first year rookie rookie year, and then this team just kind of flipping the switch and becoming what they're becoming, he's so young. It is so early in his career, especially with the games missed from the blown-out knee because he was taking so many hits.

Him showing up in the outfits and the costumes that he shows up into, this motherfucker, this dude is awesome. I bet you everybody in that Bengals organization is pumped that they have this guy. There's no other guy. And they're saying there's no human that's ever won the Heisman, national title, and the Super Bowl. Let me tell you why I think so. If you win the Heisman, obviously at the quarterback position,

probably how you won it, your entire life you've been kind of propped up. So your life is much different than everybody else's. you win a national title and you win a Heisman let's assume you are God amongst some college places Joey Burrow what had to transfer only got to play one year does his whole thing has that build up natural grid already because he's been looked over very similar now he wasn't picked 199 but if you figure out a way to kind of you know get pissed off and add chips to your shoulder joey burrow very similar to tom brady has not had a lot of expectation i think unless except for the last three years of his entire life i am so thankful that we get to talk about football with this guy

being in it and i can't wait to see what they do over there well don't you think just not only like what he does on the field is unbelievable for the nfl for anybody that's a football fan but then the character that he is like the moxie he has and the fact he's doing it for the cincinnati bangles the state that he grew up in like that it's like it's a movie that you wouldn't believe if you wrote this thing out so if they go and find a way to win the super bowl yeah like this is uh it's a pretty special time wouldn't believe if you wrote this thing out. So if they go and find a way to win the Super Bowl, yeah, like this is a pretty special time for them. I'm happy for them and everyone at the Bengals. But the thing too, like this shouldn't slow down anytime soon.

Like technically they should become a dynasty somehow with Joe Burrow or be competing with the Chiefs and the other great teams in the AFC. Like, hey, we're going to be around for the next 15 years, guys. That's exactly like the beginning of this whole thing, what I meant whenever, you know, the conversations like, oh, the Bills and the Chiefs are about to be the Bills and the Chiefs, the Bills and the Chiefs, the Bills and the Chiefs. Why not Joey B and the boys in Cincinnati?

Probably because they don't have an indoor facility. Yeah. There's like 18 inches of snow. They're not getting one now. They're not getting one now. And they make this unbelievable run to the Super Bowl. And they're going to be practicing outside before they go to L.A. in, like, negative 20 degrees. Listen, everybody can practice outside.

This isn't about practicing outside or inside. This is just about a commitment to us being able to work whenever fucking Mother Nature says, today's a terrible day, you're in Cincinnati, there's four seasons, you're practicing under a highway, there's 18 inches coming on a Wednesday. Come on. Anyways, that grit might be what propelled them to this point, where they can withstand an 18-point deficit in the AFC championship in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes on the other side and not even blink.

What did the defense do, you think, that made Patrick Mahomes play his worst football we've seen in a long time? First half QBR, like 149.9. Unbelievable. They're all dancing celebrating second half zero qbr is what nfl on cbs is reporting on their twitter account that pick that fumble the decision making the look in his eyes look like he had lost it like he wasn't confident anymore it was like a live bet we get with goff or kyler or any of these other guys you can see how they are feeling just by the look in their eyes.

He looked like a completely – was it because Brittany and Jackson? What do you think it was? What do you think? So I didn't watch Pat's post-game presser. I'm not sure if he referenced his brother and his wife or fiance. Did he? Did I miss that? I don't know.

I don't believe he did, but he might have. He might have been like, I heard her and him at halftime dancing and celebrating and all that. The most surprising thing, I think, Pat, was when Sam Hubbard, he's buying time, buying time forever down there. And when Sam Hubbard gets him down and Pat fumbled, and that would have ended the game right there pretty much. I'm like, geez, the fact that he let that ball go

and backed up the field goal and everything. But the fact that he fumbled right there, I'm like, man, that's. I'm like, geez. Like, the fact that he let that ball go and backed up the field goal and everything, but the fact that he fumbled right there, I'm like, man, that's not a Patrick Mahomes type thing. Like, you know, hey, if I bought time for an hour, the last thing I could do is fumble or throw a pick right here. Yeah, and he could have thrown it away. I mean, there is, I know you said he lost 30 yards on the field goal or whatever, but if I'm Butker, I'm also like, hey, dude,

like this thing is a 25 fucking yarder. Now I got to hit a 40something to send this thing to overtime in the AFC Championship. Do your job, okay? Do your fucking job, Harrison Butker. I get it. But there was just numerous things that were like, oh, that's not the showtime, you know?

And since his defense, though, stepped up big in the second half, made a lot of third-down stops when they needed it to, and they got tons of – like, the pressure. Hendrickson, what an unbelievable signing. Like like how smart do they look playing very well like these guys they have some studs though they're not just they're not just overachieving like they have some really good players hey that baits dude who i didn't know existed until a few weeks ago he is a ball hawk that he did that on purpose too i think he literally i think he he jabbed that ball to his teammate there.

What a play. That is not what we've seen out of Patrick Mahomes. And Josh Allen tweeted, pain immediately upon the heads coming and Kansas City winning it. And Joe Burrow, you saw him go fuck, and everybody said, oh, here we go again. But Patrick didn't have the same look. You know, it's just crazy how that can happen. I don't know what it is, how it is, why it is. But I mentioned in the first hour, and I'd like to get your take on this,

this offseason there's going to be a lot of reflection, right? They were one of the final four teams, Kansas City. Hell of a year. They'll never say that, but hell of a year. You get to the AFC Championship, and the expectation that they've kind of set for themselves and the standard is much higher than everybody else. You've got to get to the Super Bowl.

If you don't get to the Super Bowl, you're a terrible terrible team it's like a lot of great teams don't make it to the Super Bowl that's just kind of the nature of the beast but they'll do an entire reflection and I wonder you know if they'll have a family sit down and just be like it feels like everybody likes me okay personally and I know this is very selfish to say because football is a team sport and a family is a family thing. But, boy, it does feel like the only bullshit I really deal with is because of you two right there. Like, is there maybe differently this year? You know, maybe we don't.

Maybe we grow. Hey, you guys are thrusted into a spotlight too. You got handed a bunch of money you could have never known. We all make mistakes. But maybe you two stop making about you two. You know, maybe. Put it down. You're actually not that good of a dancer.

Okay? And you, like, nobody's really, you know. I appreciate what you guys are doing. But do it to your friends. Send group texts to your friends. Kind of enjoy this thing. Don't need the story to be about you two every fucking game it feels like and once again britney and jackson they've thrusted into this spotlight as well they're young they're going through their

shit but i do think we'll see an entirely new operation coming out of kansas city next season personally out of the quarterback camp i think so and that'll be an off-season conversation that probably happened do you agree with that i mean i, I guess Patrick's just in a weird spot. He's in a very tough spot right there. I don't know how he feels about them on the field pregame doing all this stuff, bringing attention to themselves. He loves her, by the way. We're not questioning their love at all.

We're not questioning that at all. We think it's awesome. But that's almost why I feel like we should bring it up. You've got to tell them, hey should i think we should have a conversation here pat is that what you would do no i'm just saying maybe patrick doesn't want to have the conversation but somehow some way i wouldn't want would you want to have that conversation no but let's just say there's a couple people on the internet that are having that conversation for him like hey why don't you two, like, maybe think this offseason,

oh, let's help our brother or the father of our child. Don't you think that they think they – they probably think they are helping him. Like, oh, we're just growing the brand. We're just, you know, everyone's fans. Yeah, he could say that to Jackson. But Jackson has so many TikTok followers that are waiting with bated breath to see, you know, what what he's going to be doing. Listen, I'm a fan. Okay.

I'm a fan of his TikTok. Oh, I'm not. I hate it. I mean, it's so normal. Everybody's a fan of his TikTok, dude. I am. Yeah, we all are. We all love his TikTok.

No. Just do your thing. Just do your thing. Like, you know what I mean? Just do your – it's – hey, congrats to all of them. And maybe they are just taking attention away from Patrick Mahomes. Everybody likes Patrick. It's like the Russell Wilson Team 3 thing.

Team 3 wants a trade. Team 3 wants a new offensive line. Team 3 wants a new offensive coordinator. Russell, I didn't say any of that stuff. And then when you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, it's like, okay, everybody hates Brittany. Brittany is trending. Okay, Brittany is trending.

What's it for? It's all terrible. Okay, Jackson Mahomes is now trending. It's all terrible. Patrick Mahomes is trending. Man, we love that guy. Okay, so maybe they are doing it right. Maybe that is 100% a thing, but the Kansas City Chiefs should be happy with what they accomplished.

Cincinnati Bengals, though, can't wait to see what they do in SoFi. Don't you think, though, that that defense for the Rams who Aaron Dahl— That D-line is what scares me. Yeah. They have a lot of very explosive, very strong athletic players, especially in that front seven. And Zach now and Joe and them have two weeks to prepare for that. How do we take care of this front four that they could potentially

just get pressure with because everybody else has proved that they can get pressure with just the front four and then be able to drop back in there and take away what Joey Burrow does best, which is figure out what the defense is in and make the right decision. I mean, that is something that he does way beyond his years. I don't think anybody truly is talking about how cerebral he is on the field because of how young he is and the mocks he has,

but his football IQ is through the fucking roof, Joey Burrow. It's very obvious. But if you've got four dogs getting to you every single time like you did in Tennessee, I think that might be tough to get over. That defense yesterday making fucking some big plays for the Rams. Matthew Stafford, with that pick that was dropped, that's when the football gods said,

all right, enough. We tried to give you the goddamn game. Now we're going to do this thing. And his legacy is much different if that ball is caught. But I'm so happy for Matthew Stafford and that Ram squad. But that entire team, I mean, Vaughn Miller's got to be pumped. Aaron Donald's back in the Super Bowl. Whitworth.

Whitworth is, what, 40 now, right? 40-something. I don't think he's just 40. I think he's 40-something. He was with the Bengals. Yeah, he was with the Bengals forever. That's the first thing I thought, wow, Whit's going to play against the Bengals in the Super Bowl.

That's pretty awesome. And then Odell Beckham Jr. after the OBS stuff. Odell Beckham Sr. puts together that clip. I mean, that team is riddled with stories like trying to make – Weddle was playing pickup basketball all season. He had nine tackles yesterday. By the way, he went head up with somebody. Oh, yeah.

Just three weeks ago. He's probably on the beach. He's just chilling on the beach four weeks ago, and now he's, boom, in the NFC Championship game. There's just so many stories in there, let alone McVay getting dunked on in his last Super Bowl. There's just – I'm happy for that Ram squad as well, man. I honestly am.

I thought the football gods were on Niner's side, team of destiny type feel, especially what they did to Green Bay and the way they were coming together, Jimmy G's story and everything like that. But that Ram squad just two weeks in a row, just stealing hearts, dude. Boom, bang. Let's get to the Super Bowl. And Kroenke stood up there with the NFC Championship so pumped about the billions and billions. He invested in the stadium and paying off St. Louis because now they are the kings of

LA. The NFC Championship and the Super Bowl. Rams are representing there with all the stars. It's going to be tough for the Chargers to catch up business-wise, but I'm pumped for that Rams team, AJ. Man, you're right. I didn't think about the Chargers. Okay, so here we go. We know that the two LA teams, the Rams,

probably already had the advantage coming in with having more fans, obviously, and now they're going to the Super Bowl in SoFi, so yeah, it's going to be a lot of catch-up for the Chargers moving forward, but yeah, I started – you know what started popping up in my YouTube algorithms are videos that people are shooting of them cleaning up around the stadium out at SoFi. So it doesn't look too bad.

Like, you know, people living around the streets and stuff. I don't know where they're moving people. Of course. They're trying to clean things up. I don't know why that came up. Why? We're talking about the Rams, how happy we are for the Rams. You just can't – well, you know, the Cecil Hotel is actually.

Too many bums living around. Cecil Hotel, you know, where those bums are killing people. That's actually right next to SoFi. That's what you just said. And then what's that row? Skid Row. Skid Row is actually the street to SoFi. So they're trying to clean up.

What I'm trying to tell you, we've been talking about all the different weird metaverse things. I'm not, I'm not straying away from football. I'm saying all of a sudden this morning I'm working out, I'm watching different recaps and different things on, on YouTube. And all of a sudden these videos pop up in my algorithms of them,

clean it up around the stadium. Like, man, this is thumbs up. Think about what your algorithm goes through on a daily basis. Your algorithms just like back there, like, all right, this one did good. What was it? Terrible. algorithm goes through oh please on a daily basis your algorithm's just like back there like all

right this one did good what was it terrible toxic you have not you would be very bored by the majority of stuff i watch no shit yeah it's not toxic it's not illegal i watch like i love watching dudes i didn't even know there is a legal contest i'm saying i'll watch dudes dig a five acre pond i like watching guys install french drains in people's yards like for bodies i really do oh lucas lagoons big into a french train i enjoy watching one particular pies on like concrete you know i don't mind that oh yeah frank more he's in that mud and he's kind of shaping a

balcony yeah awesome anyways let's get back to it all right the bums are going to be in la i mean they are clear the way it is period where are they going that's what i'm worried about where are they going to move the beach hey we have too many in india actually we were thinking maybe send a couple down i thought they all go to Huntington. Don't they? Because Huntington has vastly different rules than everybody else. They even have the most friendly rules. I read an article that there was some outrage because they did move a massive community

that is near SoFi. They just took their entire shit and just threw it away. Oh, no. That's crazy. No box left behind. What are we even doing? They didn't have doing that was that cronky's doing who did that cronky was holding that trophy he was like yeah fucking get them out of here give them chargers well i'm giving this speech to terry bradshaw he's very close to my face there is two

street sweepers at right outside that's what i'm talking about that is something i guess to figure out because la does have a massive homeless population because the weather is always nice, and I think they have some laws that are very welcoming, and I guess there's that going on. And that's certainly the convo you want to have whenever you first come on the show and you get a chance to chat about the Rams for the first time going to the Super Bowl. That is certainly— Quick sidebar.

It was just a quick sidebar. I didn't try to derail anything. You know that. What do you think about that Rams team, though? I mean, honestly, whenever you think about that game yesterday in SoFi, there was a lot of red in that crowd. And there was obviously a lot of conversation

about the Niners faithful traveling and NFL game day morning live from SoFi Stadium was invaded by the 49ers faithful. It looked like college game day out on the field set there for a little bit with how loud the Niners fans were on the game. It seemed like there was a lot. Then for the ceremony, it looked like there was a lot of Rams fans in there. It looked like everybody was kind of pumped.

I think they're all excited for what they're building out there, but boy, if they don't win a Super Bowl in their stadium, is that going to be a heartbreaker for them? Joey Burrow is completely okay with going in there and dunking on all their fucking dreams and money for sure. And we know like the Super Bowl, yeah, the Rams would technically have home field advantage. We know it's largely a corporate

situation where these companies have these tickets because they're so expensive. Now the real fans that do get to come for the Rams and the Bengals, like I promise you Bengals fans are going to do whatever they possibly can to get out there and get in that stadium, and they will be very, very excited and very loud. If they'll do whatever they can,

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The biggest game Go that's awesome biggest baddest game shout out to sea geek that is kind of a lot of steps now that you repeated it you don't say yeah but you know what hey what's the what are these tickets resale for five grand like what are they going for yeah they're but who knows what that's going to do over the next couple weeks people are talking about bangles rams you know how interested are people going to be? I think if you go Matthew Stafford versus Joey Burrow, that's a big-time story. I had a Twitter poll that I put up last night, actually, and I was excited to see the early reactions. I was excited to see who people thought it was going to be.

I asked, is it Burrow in them or is it Stafford in them? Who do you think is going to win the Super Bowl? They only put it up for 14 hours, and it felt like there was a lot of action early. I think we got like 39,000 votes within the first couple hours, or first 10 hours maybe. I'm not sure what the final four added up. 78,000 votes.

Burrow and them. Wow. 61.5% to Stafford and them with 38.5%. I'm surprised by this. AJ, are you surprised by this this or do you just expect that since i put this out every rams fan was in rams state in sofi stadium sure so they didn't get the vote on this poll and cincinnati was watching along on the internet or do you think this is going to be uh a telling story for the next couple weeks that people like the bangles well i think

it's going to go up and down over the next two weeks how people like who they think when i'm a bit surprised 61 to 38 i'm surprised at the gap i thought it'd be a little closer to 50 50 here with people but uh so who are the are there any lines out yet are the bangles a favorite or the rams favorite what's going on i'm saying the rams are favored so the rams opened three and a half and it immediately went to minus four for the Rams. Do you think the pool would have been different, though, if you would have put Bangles, Rams versus Burrow, Stafford? Oh, you think people are strictly picking Burrow over Stafford? Try another one.

Do another one today, Pat. No, but what about in them? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a team. It wasn't just. Oh, you know. People don't always understand.

What? I got a lot of credit for using in themM. Wright, actually, by the way, by a lot of people pretty pumped about it, no big deal. But burrowing him that heavy over Stafford in him, whenever it's a four-point favorite for the L.A. Rams in their stadium, is fascinating. I think the issue that the Bengals might run into, and it's these graphics, by the way, for the next two weeks from Dirty,

who is a die-hard Rams fan, are going to be next level. I mean, we're talking about some great Rams stats and graphics that are going to be coming out of Dirty, and we're all very happy for Dirty. Thank you, Dirty. Couldn't be happier.

What are you talking about? I mean, I'm over it. It's okay, but the Packers should be in the fucking Super Bowl. They don't choke two weeks ago. Stafford's got to go play in the cold, and they're probably playing the Bengals. Well, unfortunately. But they ain't. But they ain't.

But they ain't. They choked. So you're mad at Dirty for that? No, it's just, you know, I mean, hey, there's a team goes all in, gets all the guys that everybody wanted throughout the season, you know, and here they are. It was those quarterback graphics he was making. He kept Aaron off of them.

Yeah, he did. Derek Carr on there. It's just interesting. I'm very happy for Dirty. Hey, let's talk about it, though. Peyton goes to Denver, goes to the Super Bowl. Tom goes to Tampa, goes to the Super Bowl. Now you got fucking the thought that Matthew Stafford gets traded to L.A.,

goes to the Super Bowl. How come every other team doesn't just be like, you know what? It seems like the teams that are most aggressive and try to make plays are actually winning. And it's good for a business to be seen in front of 200 million people at the Super Bowl. How come we don't do that more regularly? And do you think this is going to make a lot of quarterbacks get antsy

about their next home, even though some reports are saying that all is hunk-a-dory at home? And I'm not talking directly about Aaron Rodgers, but like Russell Wilson, you think about who it's been kind of glimmering and talked about? Aaron Rodgers, it's been talked about a little bit. There's a lot of success being painted in other places when quarterbacks get up go on and do their thing their way I mean

that that's right in front of our eyes it's happening right here yeah I mean Stafford he got traded so he didn't like he didn't but he asked for his trade which is a bingo which is I mean I agree though I understand what you're saying similar situation he didn't have the power he didn't like he wasn't able to go tell him like hey, this is what I wanted This is what I'm doing, but Tom opted out of a deal So he actually had to go do that and do his own thing. Peyton got cut I guess so it is So Aaron would have to demand a trade if he wants out right? Yeah Coincidence McVeigh was in Mexico and that's where he went. Okay Stafford

Rich whites have like that one place they all goord? I think all those rich whites Have that one place they all go to I think they all have that Tight circle of friends I've seen a lot of people In the suites that we know Up there in Stafford Hey, how about people thinking

The Lions won that trade when it happened That's awesome Everybody but us I'm not saying we're the only ones That were on Stafford's side when it happened. That's awesome. Who did? A lot of people. Everybody but us, dude. What are you even talking about? Really? I'm not saying we're the only ones that were on Stafford's side because obviously there's other people that are on Stafford's side, but we were one of the only places, and it's documented. You can go fucking check it, dude,

where as soon as I was forced to watch these Lions games because Foxy's a Lions fan, so I'd be forced to watch this guy. He's unbelievable. If the Rams land, I was trying to get him to fucking indianapolis and allegedly that was almost happening and then obviously the whole carson wentz thing where he walks in and he heard some stuff i mean whatever the case is but if he goes that ram scene he has mcveigh he has those weapons we were very quickly like oh this guy's this is awesome good for the rams going all in oh the detroit lions get three picks and they

get a little cap space save about their future, and they get an aging Stafford who's never won a playoff game. People were saying Goff was straight up better than Stafford in this office. People were saying that. Yeah, there was actually people saying, oh, look at old Goffard up there. Yeah, that's not what I said. Yeah, that's what you said. The Goffard originator is actually a Rams fan.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, because Stafford had a couple bad games there. That's what you said. The Gofford originator is actually a Rams fan. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because Stafford had a couple bad games there. That's right. This is the first year in that offense with Stafford. First year and everybody's like, oh. All new players, everyone around him. Yeah, I mean, Odell halfway through. Joining us now is a man who I think was maybe on our side,

but there's a chance he said that this guy stinks. No, no, he said he stinks. Okay, joining us now is a man who we have a lot of respect for, high football acumen, host of the Man to Man podcast alongside Antoine Bethea, nine years in the NFL in the secondary at corner, nickel, and safety, potential defense coordinator for a team near you, ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler.

What's up, fellas? What's up? Hey, no suit today. What's going on? I had to switch it up. My 5G's tripping. Everything's, you know, fucking going bad. Who did I say stinks? You said Stafford stinks. Yeah, you said it. Let's get right into it.

I did not say Stafford stinks. That's a lie. I did not say Stafford stinks. Foxy said it. Spock said it. I'm pretty sure you said it. I'm pretty sure Connor said it. I'm pretty sure Tone said it.

I'm pretty sure Gump said it. I'm pretty sure Nick said it. Nick did shake my hand today, though. Let me shake. I want to shake his hand. All I said was I don't understand why you love him so much when he left Detroit. Now everyone Gump said it. Pretty sure Nick said it. Nick did shake my hand today, though. I want to shake his hand. All I said was I don't understand why you love him so much when he left Detroit. Now everyone's narratives are changing.

Now we know. I didn't say he stinks, but shout out to Gertie. Shout out to the Rams. I'm happy for Matt Stafford, man. Same draft, obviously the number one pick. He's rewriting his narrative in front of all of us. I think everybody would have looked at his career and said,

a lot of stat patter, you know, not a winner in the playoffs, went a long time not getting a win in the playoffs, which I was toughening him in that regard. But now you're seeing with a good team, obviously the Rams went all in, chips all in the middle. And he's punching tickets to the Super Bowl and so on. He's definitely rewriting. Even if he doesn't win this game, I think he's rewriting his narrative for a lot of people.

I agree. And it's only the first year there. It's only going to grow, you would think. Who knows how the cap will work out. But they'll make it work over there in L.A. They seem to be a team that can do that. I assume it'll come to a crashing end at some point, like the Saints have $71 million over the cap. And they've got to figure that out.

But let's talk about that Rams team. Let's talk about Stafford here before we dive into that defense maybe being a massive problem for that Cincinnati Bengals team and protecting Joe Burrow. But Joe Burrow has the moxie to get through it. I'm excited to get your take on that. Matthew Stafford almost throws that pick. It was a punt.

Yeah, it is dropped. Does your entire defense and secondary know, oh, we're fucked now? Is that something that is natural that kind of just rains on everybody? Because that's the football gods almost saying, hey, here's the game. You give it away and it almost automatically turns the shift of the way the game

is going to go. Is that something you guys feel and know? And how terrible do you feel for old cuzzy right now? He's thinking about that for what? The next four months, probably. Forever. Forever. I mean, that was a chance to go to super bowl obviously uh it's a big and honestly those are those are the toughest ones to catch you know the ones they seem like they're in the air forever nobody's around like you said it feels like a punt uh but uh he was dropping as players you know it's about 60 plays out of the 65 that's kind of a sparring match you're going back and forth and

it's like three or four or five plays that is that's the difference in the game that's kind of a sparring match, you're going back and forth, and then it's like three or four or five plays, that's the difference in the game, that's obviously one of them, man, it sucks for me, and that's a part of the reason I was tough on Stafford too, he's going to give you a couple of those, you know, every game, but Tartt, man, that really, you know, really sucks, I can remember vividly every interception I dropped, never on that type of stage, so I can imagine what he's going through, you even saw when he was playing the game, like a couple plays after, he was still kind of like, damn, you know, still shaking. You got to have short-term memory and not let that same play, you know, beat you more than that play, but that's tough to get over.

Deebo, what's this Rams defense going to do to Cincy? Like, what can Cincy do to beat him? Like, what do they have to do? They got to keep, what, six, seven-man protection? How are they going to keep Joe upright and how do they win? Man, you got Von Miller, you got Aaron Donald up front, and his

offensive line, they've been getting beat up all playoffs. So that's going to be the key to the game is trying their best to protect Burrow. You lost CJ as well at the tight end position for Cincinnati, but you can't count this guy out, man. Every game, this is uh burrow and that you know you lost cj as well at the tight end position for um for cincinnati but you can't count this guy out man uh every game you know this is a i can't remember another two year turnaround like this you got unbelievable weapons on the outside um you've had some

injuries in that ram secondary but they they play well um down the stretch eric weddle is living you know every retired db's dream you know you off the couch, you go in there, play a few games, and now you're going to the Super Bowl. But that's going to be the biggest thing for the Bengals is how do we protect Nye? How do we keep him upright? He showed some elusiveness in this AFC championship against his Chiefs front, but that's going to be the biggest thing.

Aaron Donald, this is the one thing that he doesn't have on his resume. A lot of people already call him the greatest defensive player ever. So he'll be fully stoked for this. When the last Super Bowl he was in, he didn't make much of an impact. So I'll be excited to watch 99. Hey, Eric, Waddell said he's playing pickup basketball too, you know, just a few weeks ago. And now he's leading the Rams in tackles and a tackle for loss.

Unbelievable. Now he's in a Super Bowl in L.A. And the last image, I think, of when Tom Brady walked off the field was him and Weddle having like a 45-minute conversation. I mean, Weddle's a legend, obviously. Hopefully he goes out there and enjoys this, which I would assume he is. Let's talk about that Bengals team. What did they do in the second half that made Patrick Mahomes look like

he was like Jared Goff or Kyler or one of these guys? He just seemed like he lost all of his confidence. I don't know if a defense can sense that when you see it, but what did they do that made him look like a vastly different quarterback than we had ever seen Patrick Mahomes look like

in that biggest stage, you think? I would love to see what his rating, his heart rate and all that shit they were putting out what it was in that biggest stage, you think? I would have loved to see what his rating, his heart rate, and all that shit they were putting out, what it was in that second half. Because momentum, a lot of people that never played the game obviously say momentum isn't a real thing. But the Bengals had momentum going into that halftime. Even though they had given up 21 points,

they almost gave up another touchdown. Eli Apple, who put that target on his back and his chest, made one of the biggest plays of the game right before the half, keeping Hill out of the end zone. They didn't get any points. Situationally, you rarely see the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes fail in those situations, but they did. I feel like that gave

that Bengals team that momentum going into the second half. They got to stop. Coming out of the second half, Chiefs got the ball first. It was kind of down for air. They got the second half. They got to stop coming out of the second half. Chiefs got the ball first. It was kind of downhill for Aaron. You know, they got the rush lanes. You know, Patrick Mahomes, that first half, he was scrambling, making unbelievable plays outside of the pocket, which on the back end,

you can't cover those guys for that long. And up front, the Bengals, most likely a big point of emphasis at halftime was rush lanes, keep 15 contained, keep them in the pocket as much as possible. Obviously, let's eliminate the big plays from 10 with Hill. And they made those plays. And to hold those guys to three points for an entire half,

they scored those three as time expired in regulation and then actually played defense after the Chiefs won the toss and went on offense first. Got to stop. And then went down and got the win. I mean, just an unbelievable job by that team. And obviously, Joe Burrow, you know, making plays down the stretch as well. Let's talk about Joey Burrow.

Whenever you see this photo of him before he gets to the stadium and he's dressed, whenever you see this dude get on the bus or get on the plane, dress like a fucking G. I assume that everybody in Cincinnati's locker room loves him, but they talk about that culture that they're building over there. They're young. They seem to get along very well. Incredibly confident. And this guy oozes moxie deep.

But, I mean, he had to have heard everybody talking about Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen for the next 10, 15 years in the AFC. And down in Cincinnati, I mean, there is a whole different conversation around this guy's room and that locker room. I'd assume they think they got one of the guys, like, hey, we got a goat in the making right now. And there's no reason not to think that, especially when he looks like this on fucking game day.

I love this. I mean, this dude is unbelievable. I mean, his swag, I mean, they asked him about the chain after, asked him if the diamonds were real, his answer. I mean, just listening to him talk after obviously, you know, showing up with the swag and the way that he plays, you know, he's been telling guys all along, like, Hey, like you better get used to this shit, you know,

let's get rid of that underdog mentality, you know, not having an indoor facility and all, you know, I want to be cheap as hell, all this other shit. Let's get to winning games. Let's let this be, you know, the expectation. You saw what he did at Lsu and he's brought it right right into uh the nfl and uh you look at his numbers against teams over 500 against the spread i want to say it's like 15 and 6 or something crazy like that in the nfl um so this guy man he's special uh and the rams are favored by four right now that's gonna be that's gonna be interesting to be interesting to see which way that goes.

But I'm excited for him and excited for the city of Cincinnati, man. They deserve it. Those fans deserve it out there. And this is a team that nobody expected to even win their division this year, let alone be in the Super Bowl. So I love it. Love to see it. It's not a great Super Bowl for this particular show.

No, yeah. Not the best. No. I mean, the Rams have? No, yeah. Not the best. No. I mean, the Rams have the worst PR guy. In the NFL. In the NFL. That guy, he stinks. We got no access there.

We've been burying the Bengals organization this fucking entire season. I mean, it's tough, and you just brought it back up. I was hoping we could just skirt right by it. But we'll cover this thing stern but fair. Yeah, has to. Fans, everybody, go have good football. That's right. Go ahead, Ty.

D-Bud, it seems like Cooper Cup has 10-plus catches and like 150-plus yards every single week, and he has for the last like 10 weeks. What can the Bengals do to make sure he doesn't just like single-handedly take them out of the game and kill them? I mean, he's a guy. You got to double-team this dude as soon as he gets off the bus. Like, I don't understand how coaches, how secondaries continue to let this guy.

I literally don't know what it is. You look at his numbers on just third down alone last week. He had like seven catches, 108, two touchdowns on just the money down. Like, he's a guy, like like you can't give him fair ones. There are no one-on-ones. We have to jump this guy. We got to have two guys, four eyes on him every play, especially in the crucial downs, red zone, third down.

He's that good. And then you bring a guy like Odell over. It's clear he wasn't an issue in Cleveland. You know, you got a quarterback like Matt Stafford. They're still not all the way on the same page yet. But Odell's special, so even leaving him one-on-one. But at this point in the game, Odell's got to beat me. Van Jefferson, like, those guys have got to beat me right now.

I can't let the offensive player of the year, who should potentially be the MVP with his playoff performance, Cooper Cupp, I can't let number 10 beat us. I just can't let that happen. I feel like he's just on the same page as Matthew said. They talk about that 6 a.m. meeting where they're together every single day. They're reading different plays, I think. Stafford's calling a play, but I think there's a good chance

that whatever the pre-snap read is by Cooper Cup and Stafford, I don't know if there's anything that they can really fucking do. Odell Beckham Jr., you mentioned it there. Adding him is massive to that entire success at Cooper Cup, right? Because who got hurt? Oh, yeah. Who got hurt? Robert Woods.

Robert Woods gets hurt. And then all of a sudden it's like, well, OBJ is now stepping into a different role. But having that fleet of weapons and Blanton. Yeah, Blanton's become a guy in this entire thing. Having that fleet is a big deal, right? That's why you can't just double a guy right off the bus because you've got to worry about everybody else. And is that what D coordinators are thinking?

Damn that, Pat. We still got to double cup. Like I said, they've got to beat us to this point. Like this dude, because like you said, when you play a zone coverage or soft zone coverage, cup is going to get open. He's going to produce. It's very similar to what Travis Kelsey does in Kansas City.

Like, you have a play, but when you have that type of report with your quarterback, like, you're going to find a soft area in the zone, and you're going to get, you know, the quarterback's going to put the ball on him. So he's going to be productive. It's just specifically on those money downs, third down and red area. That's where we have to allocate however many resources we need to the stop 10 and somebody else got to beat us i can sleep at night if van jefferson you know has a 10 catch 150 yard performance to beat us but i can't let cooper cup have another 12 catch 180

yards and you know convert nine third downs in the super Bowl. Like, that would be inexcusable, and it has been all the way throughout the playoffs. It's unbelievable. But Odell, shout out to Odell Sr., man. He took care of the thing. He did what had to be done, got him the hell out of Cleveland, and now his son is headed to the Super Bowl, man. I love to see it.

Let's go for the family. What about this Rams defense, though? What should their plan be in the secondary? Obviously, Jamar Chase, all the other weapons the Bengals offense has. Can you see him doubling Chase? Does Ramsey, does he travel? What would you do? Man,

you're paying a guy $20 million a year at corner, you travel with one. You go over with one. Higgins is a guy – Does he normally do that, though? He's done it. He's done it.

I mean, you've seen it. He plays in the slot a lot as well. But in bringing Weddle over, I'm sure Weddle will have a lot of input. Even though he's not even been there a month, he'll have a ton of input when it comes to this defensive game. Man, Weddle, I mean, he's one of the smartest players. Just seeing him from the outside looking in, we had an opportunity to interview him on the Man to Man pod last year.

And just his FBI, his football intellect, he'll have those guys in good positions. And you put Ramsey on, you got to, and that's not, I don't know which way I would go in that matchup right now, because Jamar Chase, he's special, man. And if he's one-on-one with Ramsey, Burrow's still going to test him. He's going to have to win those. But, yeah, that's special, man. And if he's one-on-one with Ramsey, Burrow's still going to test him. He's going to have to win those. But, yeah, that's what I would do. I would put Ramsey on Chase and then, you know,

lean that safety help a little bit on the Higgins and the other guys. And then if Chase becomes a problem, we got to put in a little safety help with Ramsey, too. We got to get this bowl by any means necessary. Those guys up front, Aaron Donald, this is what we brought Von Miller in for. This is what you brought Odell in for You went The chips all in

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A lot more miss. But yesterday, we're getting hot going into the Super Bowl, D-Buck. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, D-Bud, you just mentioned the Rams defensive front. Do you think they'll just be able to rush three guys and then drop eight so they won't really have to worry too much about the Ramsey-Chase

matchup and they could actually probably just double him and Higgins at the same time? You could do that as a switch up. That drop eight, that's when you get towards the red zone. You saw the Bengals made a huge play what was that when uh when my home's fumbled yeah yeah you drop you drop eight and it's hard for that because the field you're not worried about guys running by you the quarterbacks are looking for windows you got eight guys and you have that spot that triggers late so you can

do that but you can't you can't make a living off that you want to apply pressure as much as possible these quarterback make them make quick reads and accurate throws. And, you know, guys like Burrow and Stafford can do it, but they're also going to give you opportunities to make plays on the ball. So when they do, just like when the Bengals did last week with B.J. Hill, Bigfeller got that pick, he's got these turnovers, man. They are huge in these games. But, no, you can't make a living off dropping eight or, you know,

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the super bowl with a brand new team and a brand new mindset and attitude. The man who knows more about the Rams than anybody else in all of media. The man who is one of the hosts of Good Morning Football, which is nominated for all the awards. Oh, yeah. Joining us right now on a text message, late text message, an absolute gem of a man, friend of the show, ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager.

Yeah, baby! Thanks! Thanks! Gentlemen, I'm honored i'm thrilled aj i see you smirking over there during that last rant about the colts i love your facial reactions more than anything else on this show you're the best and pat i love being all with you dude i can talk for three hours appreciate you shrinks i love that as well I mean it's one of my favorite things of all time AJ is the best AJ is the dash of toxicity that this show needs every single day but joining well every time you join us it's a little professionalism and we thank you for that award nominated you know

insider of to the insiders whenever you think about Sean McVay getting back to the Super Bowl how happy are you for him the amount of pressure on his shoulders, his young shoulders this year, had to be vast whenever they bet the entire future of the franchise on Matthew Stafford, then Vaughn Miller. Give me Odell Beckham Jr. as well. Just everything the expectations were for them to have success. Here they are getting to the Super Bowl in their own stadium. He's got to be elated and pumped that they're back.

Spoke to him Saturday night for a while, and pumped that they're back spoke to him saturday night for a while and uh i said are you going to sleep tonight he says i'm going to sleep just fine the game plan is good the guys are dialed in we had a great week of practice they wore pads on thursday they were hitting they were ready for this thing thumping and i texted with him this morning because last night i was texting i got nothing back which is always humbling um and then this morning i uh i shot him one and i'm like hey how's it feel congratulations let me uh please be a kiss ass here for you this morning uh and he wrote back and he was like we got one more to go so i don't think it's that hey this great relief of beating shanahan or i don't think it's this oh man well jojo jolly willikers this was neat and did you see that dicaprio was there it wasn't i wanted that i wanted to be able

to talk about it uh jolly willikers um but it doesn't seem that way i think he knows he's gotten to this point before and he knows that there's still more work to be done and as cliche as that is his mind is kind of wired that way whereas whereas I would be enjoying a couple days, maybe three, four, five days this week of being like, I just beat Shanahan. Everyone told us we were done in the middle of the season. No, that's not him. He's not wired that way. That's awesome. Triggs, do you think, I mentioned to Pat earlier on the show, when they showed McVay when the

game was finished, he looked kind of relieved on the sideline, obviously very, very excited. Is he more relieved or excited, the fact that he's in the Super Bowl? And I'm sure now he has to feel a little bit like the weight on his shoulders like okay man I gotta get this one I don't want to lose too I thought he was very candid last week in the the media sessions I believe it was Jordan Roderick from the uh from the athletic who asked him like you know how do you feel 36 years old it's your birthday and he's like you know it's crazy that I've been a coach for five years. He's like, it feels like it's been dog years. And he said it with a smile, but this has been a toll on him this season.

And, you know, the ups and the downs, the players missing because of COVID. They lose Robert Woods. Everyone is out on the Rams after they lost a few games. Everyone's out on Stafford after he throws a few pick sixes. And I don't think there's this, you know, F the world, us against the world mentality. But I would be lying if I don't think that there was a great feeling of triumph yesterday to finally beat Kyle, who he's six years younger than, who he worked under for four years in Washington.

They worked together? What? Isn't that hilarious? I mean, when they went to that graphic yesterday, I just kind of grinned. I'm like, that is a fact. That is a fact. Did you know Matthew Stafford went and played high school baseball with Clayton Kershaw? Do you guys know that?

Now he's in the Super Bowl. There's a lot of those nuggets. But I feel like, you know, for all of us on the outside, it's like, oh, what a great relief. He never has to answer about Shanahan again. He has a chance to avenge that Super Bowl loss. But the truth of the matter is, I don't know if he is as in tune with the outside noise. He's got enough pressure on himself. He's the kind of guy

that is a sports history nut. And like, he knows what was at stake the second they started playing in week one. Okay, so how do you think this, let's go big picture here for Sean McVay. He's 36.

Happy birthday. We missed it. We should have sent him a gift, but their PR people stink. So who cares? So the, Sean McVay's 36 years old massive amount of success they literally leveraged the future of the franchise for him to kind of make a run right now this is all eerily similar to a man i'm just learning about here as of late with the madden

documentary right i mean at some point like the amount of energy and pressure and buy-in does he has he already uh like admitted to that does he understand that the amount of you know success and pressure that he is in right now is a real thing or do you think he was like built for this and you don't think it's a big deal at all i think it's a great question and he hasn't even crossed that bridge with me but like if they were to win i would i don't think stepping away from coaching just yet but like i i wonder like you know madden is 42 he's 36 what could he do in the next six years i don't know if sean m away from coaching just yet, but I wonder, Madden is 42, he's 36. What could he do in the next six years?

I don't know if Sean McVay is one of those guys like Belichick who's going to coach until 70. He is a really smart, ambitious guy, and I think he's got great aspirations to make a difference in the world beyond just football, too. So we'll see. But again, not married yet.

He gets married this summer to his fiancee for many years, Veronica, who's awesome. Congrats, man. No kids. Has no kids. Again, not married yet. He gets married this summer to his fiance for many years, Veronica, who's awesome. Congrats. No kids. Has no kids. He's completely invested in this coaching thing, and he has given his life to this coaching thing. And I sure would like to think that he has that greater perspective.

But right now, he's focused in on football, and he only wants to talk about the Super Bowl and nothing more than that. Let's talk about Matthew Stafford getting to the Super Bowl. I thought it was a very cool moment when he was standing up there, oddly close to Terry Bradshaw, talking about the entire game. And, you know, the moment with the confetti behind him and he was thanking the fans. And for years and years and years, everybody would talk shit on him.

You know, Pad Statford is the Bleacher Report gridiron thing. This guy could always throw the ball well, but he could never win. He could never do this. This year, the Detroit Lions won the trade with McVay because they got golf and three picks and everything like that how good does it have to be to be Matthew Stafford and do you think there's any of those conversations between McVay and Stafford like fuck everybody let's go ahead and get that do you think that is the way McVay is or how do you think Stafford's kind of handling this whole situation I do and I know you've got a Lions fan there in the building and it's like you know he had to thread this needle where he didn't he didn't piss off the

fan base and then he also exited with somewhat fairly decent terms with Detroit unlike how things unfortunately ended with Calvin and with Barry and I think he did and I don't know many Lions fans who are like, you know, F him. He got it. I think everyone's kind of happy for him. You got to think about this, Pat. And 13 years, he never complained, never said a peep, just kind of went about his job while Breeze and Rodgers and all these other contemporaries.

They just went ahead and they did their thing. And they won Super Bowls and they won and they got MVP talk. And he had the arm and the demeanor of all those guys. The first year he gets a shot, the first year he gets a shot with all the pieces around him and the coach and everything. He's got them in the super bowl. And I get,

I mean, look, this is a 32 year old guy. Great dude. All right. All right. I worked sidelines for Fox for years. You don't recognize my face from the games. It's because I did a lot of lions games. All right. I wasn sidelines for Fox for years. If you don't recognize my face from the games,

it's because I did a lot of Lions games. All right, I wasn't on the A-Tree. I wasn't Aaron Andrews. I wasn't Pam Oliver. Shit, I wasn't any of them. I was on a lot of fifth, sixth, seventh crews, which meant a lot of days in November and December doing Lions games. And I would do those production meetings,

and Stafford could not have been a cooler dude. He understood the score. He got what was going on. Held his head up high. While other guys were playing for playoffs and Super Bowls. And he had his moments. Sure, this guy just took it. Injured.

Played tough. Played hurt. Always brought it. And for him to have this moment now, good on him. I don't think there's a single person with a soul or with a heart who can watch Matthew Stafford and be like, I don't like that guy. Shregs, what about you look at the other sideline, Zach Taylor, another young coach.

Do you have a relationship with him? Have you had many interactions? How do you think he's going to do in this big stage? Zach's the man. Zach is one of the most understated dudes. And you know the story when he went to the bar after they won that wild card round against the Raiders. He got carded.

And I'm like, that's Zach Taylor in a nutshell. Like, the fact that they asked for his ID is great because that's him. When Cliff Kingsbury took Kyler Murray in that, or not Kyler Murray, took Zayas Simmons in that draft, it was in that awesome palatial, you know, sick house. The first pick was Zach Taylor, and he was in a room like I'm in right now. Nothing on the walls and just like, oh, we'll take Joe Burrow. Like that's Zach. There's no ego. There's no sizzle. There's no pizzazz. It's just ball. His, his father-in-law is Mike Sherman, which is interesting. The old NFL coach who, you know, very well, AJ, um, from his Packers days.

And he's been in the coaching world for a long time. Ever since he left Nebraska, he's bounced around from Texas A&M to the Miami Dolphins for many years and now has finally landed with McVay and then got his big jump up. And, again, an awesome dude. Players love playing for him. And last year, after they lost to the Dallas Cowboys in Week 14, his career record was 4-20-1. And he gets up in one of these media sessions,

and he looks and he's like, I know we're going to be great here. I know we're going to win a division. I know it. I'm asking you all just to believe in this team because it's there. And gosh, what a cool thing to check back in on now, about 14 months later and where they're going.

And he's taking it in stride. Great dude, though. You guys would love him. Zach is awesome. Yeah, and if the honor wasn't so miserly, they'd probably move on to a new coach so they don't have to pay multiple coaches. But the patience pays off.

And Zach Taylor, 4-20, I mean, that would be fireable in any profession if you went out there 24 times and failed 20 of them. But that patience, that culture build, and Joey Burrow and that crew being so young, it's feels magical over there. And Pat, I would add to you like, so you got the Rams and last night it's Pacheco. It's,

you know, De Niro's there and it's Jamie Foxx is in the house and they're showing all the celebrities, you know, and they've got everyone. And then you've also got Vaughn Miller and Odell and McVay and Hollywood and every, and there's like the Bengalsals which if the Rams are number one

on like the let me tell you let me explain let me explain if the Rams are like the poser Johnny come lately let me drop in let me be famous all that type of deal these Bengals fans have been through it now 33 years without a Super Bowl appearance. They were there. I was in Kansas City yesterday. So many Bengals fans. And they all wanted to tell me, Pat, A, love you on the McAfee show. And B, they wanted to tell me, I traveled 16 hours from North Carolina to be here. I traveled eight hours. You couldn't get a two different polar opposite fan bases, stories, franchise.

You go to the owners meetings. Stan Kroenke, he's got, you know, here we got this giant, awesome new spaceship in L.A., and then you got Mike Brown in the back of the room, like, vetoing certain rules. He's like, is that economically, fiscally smart? Like, it is a fascinating dichotomy of new NFL, like, glitz and glamour L.A., and then old-school NFL, smaller market.

We build through the draft, and we sign veteran free agents like Mike Hilton and Eli Apple to take us there. Very different teams. Very cool. Yeah, I hate that. I mean, I love that the Bengals are having success and I love that people are saying,

hey, shout out to you for being on this show. I do feel like we have pretty good contingency of Cincinnati fans. Hootay, hootay, hootay. We appreciate you. Hootay, hootay, hootay. I hate the Browns having success though because I don't want any other owners to think that this type of bullshit

is actually a winning recipe. I don't know if it's possible anywhere else. They signed players this year, though. This year was different. They went and got Trey Hendrickson, paid him a pretty penny. Okay? They spent money on him. They went and spent money.

Well, you have to. The CBA actually says you have to spend a certain amount of money. Like, that is something you have to do. But I do like that that crew of guys that they have playing there, coaching there, they don't give a damn about anything. Like, hey, we're just going to go ball. And Joey Burrow seems to be the perfect human for the Cincinnati Bengals and lead them.

Go ahead, Ty. Schrags, do you think yesterday was Jimmy G's nail in his coffin in San Francisco? I mean, he's been taking it on the shins for the last several weeks here. And I feel like if they would have won, who knows, maybe he comes back, but do you think he's done? And if he is, where do you potentially see him going?

Yeah. And I know, I mean, Lynch is one of my guys and obviously I know Kyle well, and I know Jed York, the owner in a fairly, you know, professional manner,

name drop, name drop, name drop, name drop. Um, I don't know shit on what they're doing with Jimmy right now. Cause that's basically what I'm saying. So like they wanted to get through the season for sure.

If Trey Lance had blown them away, though, I don't see why Trey Lance wouldn't have been in the field. Like, let me give you an analogy here. When Mahomes was in Kansas City, that whole season that Alex Smith was taking him to a division title and everyone in Kansas City was telling me, like, you got to see this dude. You got to see this dude.

He's lighting it up. No one was saying that to me on Trey Lance. That's something against Trey Lance. But if Trey Lance had been blowing everyone away in practice and blowing everyone in the games, like, I don't think you would have necessarily, you know, it wouldn't be that much of a question right now. Now, they traded three first-round picks. Jimmy's got a big contract.

It's a nice, easy rip of the Band-Aid. But gosh, they got pretty close to Jimmy. And if Trey Lance isn't fully ready to go, I don't know. Do you not do that and say, hey, let's run it back one more time until Trey is ready to go? Maybe then you can substitute Jimmy out for Trey Lance. It's a really interesting decision, and I'm not sure that it's such a slam dunk that everyone else on Twitter thinks it is.

Trey, you're saying a lot of muffled mouths over there about old Trey Lance. Maybe it's the masks. Oh, probably. Probably. Yeah. Maybe. Gotta go down to LA. It's out of respect to Jimmy, I think. They wouldn't do that to me. They wouldn't say like, yeah, but yeah, out of respect to Jimmy. They all love him there too. Okay. Well, Patrick Mahomes played in that last game against Denver, I believe, of that season in one and everybody's like, ah, this is the guy. Trey Lance has not had many of those at all. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Shrakes, what can you tell us about

Tim McVay, Sean's dad, not the other one? He is the man. Does he just crush beers in the gym? Let me tell you about this guy, Tim McVay, who is not the Oklahoma City Tim McVay. Thank you, thank you. Alright, so his father, Tim McVay's father is John McVay,

who was the GM of the Niners and has five Super Bowl rings. Tim McVay played at Dayton with the Grudens and is part of the whole Gruden family. He played for John Gruden's father, if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't go into professional football. Instead, goes into television and advertising and is one of the most successful advertising guys in the Southeast, in Atlanta, of all places. Is this the big damn ham guy?

Like Mad Men? Yeah, he's the guy. He's the guy. Huge, huge personality. Awesome guy. And is like Sean's number one support system. But that shot of him yesterday yesterday jacked in the Rams. And look at that picture.

Tim Aconda. This guy is the dude. And his wife Cindy's awesome. And, like, they are just a cool family. But Tim McVay was a player in college and then went into the business world and has had great success there. Kind of respected. They skipped a generation with the NFL.

And then you go with John McVay, five Super Bowl rings and then the grandson is now in his second Super Bowl in four years. Sean McVay says, my father's father has five. My father just yoked selling advertising. That son of a bitch is placing ads all over the place.

He's got the Don Draper big John Don Draper. Exactly. Don Draper. He's not Pete Campbell. He's Don Draper. That's right. John Don Draper. Exactly. Don Draper. He's not Pete Campbell. He's Don Draper. That's right. I know a lot about him all of a sudden. I just learned last week about Don Draper. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Tone. Sorry, bud. It's time for the dongs out here. Is there a point in this? I'm toxic.

Okay. What are you talking about? Dong ham? Yeah. I'm not talking about John Ham's dong. You're the one that talked about it. The ham of condiments? That's the truth.

Dude, I just learned of this the other day. Guy has an 18-inch penis. Certainly, you reported his fault. That's advertising. Yeah, that's advertising. Go ahead, Don. Stregs, is there a point in this hiring process where the Miami Dolphins go, Oh, shit, we fucked up and hire Flores back?

No, I think that bridge has been burned burned it did not end pretty between the two uh but the finalists that you're hearing it's really interesting so like mike mcdaniel as a possibility who i saw last night they show him in the booth go like this and i told you guys about him a couple weeks ago one of my favorite guys in football he's a finalist there but dayball i thought they were hot on dayball he ends up going there and now you're hearing harbaugh's name again as a possibility. So they might be back at square one, but it'll all work out for all these teams.

But I do not see Flores going back to Miami. Now, Flores, maybe New Orleans? Flores, maybe Houston? Flores, maybe back to New England now that there are some departures on that staff? I don't know. Brian Flores will be a head coach again in this league.

I'm just not sure Miami's the destination. Who wins the Super Bowl, Shregs? Good question. I've picked against the Bengals every single round. Like, I thought the Raiders would win. I thought the Titans would win. I thought the Chiefs would roll. It would be disingenuous for me to go away from that right now.

But, gosh, is he scary. He was so good yesterday. He was better good yesterday. He was better than Holmes. Like Burrow was unbelievable on flat ball. I took the Rams before this season. I'll probably roll with the Rams, but I got two weeks to marinate on that. Nice.

Hey, Shregs, last one for me. Does McVay have any kind of hobbies outside of football? Does he know what's going on in the world, or is he just all football? He just goes to Mexico and gets drunk at pools. That's it. You know what's interesting? I don't know if you saw and it's he'd kill me for this so josh altman from like the real estate show that's mcveigh's boy out in la and like i think he was in the box yesterday like they're tight like i think mVeigh likes

a little reality TV, a little real estate, a little business. He's not doing any book clubs on your show anytime soon. I think he's pretty dialed into the X's and O's during the season. Imagine McVeigh having an open house. That's a great

bit that we should do. McVeigh as the real estate broker would be fantastic. Look at his view of LA. That's all welcome to Halstead. That's a great, great bit that we should do. McVeigh as the real estate broker would be fantastic. Look at his view of L.A. Look at his view of L.A. That's what he did to Odell. That's what he did to Jalen. That's what he did to Von Miller.

That's what he did to Matthew Stafford. He's just a real estate guy underneath all of it. That's amazing. We can't thank you enough for taking time out of your day late here to join us and chit-chat about everything

that happened. Good morning football this morning was a home run. Home run this morning. i love it i'll tell you what guys i i wasn't you know i'm not kissing your ass i'll be like i was walking around arrowhead and i think i'm hot shit from good morning football and i'm kissing babies on so many so many people bangles chusten love you on mac i've probably been on your show a dozen times, Pat. I mean, I love you on McAfee, so I can't thank you guys enough for the opportunity to come on. It's been cool for me, too, to be a part of this ride with you guys.

Well, we appreciate your time. We appreciate all the people that watch. We understand that when they stop watching, it was us, not them. But thank you so much for joining us. Good luck on Good Morning Football. We'll see you down there radio. No, you're not going. Are you going to be on radio, Ro?

Not radio. I'll find my way to see you. Oh, what? Network. Yeah. on the radio. No, you're not going. Are you going to be a radio row? Not radio. I'll find my way to see you. What? Network. I don't need it. We got these 8K studios. Bitch. I've got two production assistants,

four secretaries, five different people on my beck and call for Good Morning Football. But at some point, I'll muddy the waters and I'll go and I'll go to Radio Row with you guys. Please, no, no, please. Come see the Peasants, the Paupers, please. We'd be very thankful. We can't thank you enough for joining us.

Ladies and gentlemen, not Grammy, Emmy. Oh, yeah, Sports Emmy. Emmy-nominated host of Good Morning Football, insider for the insiders, Peter Schrager. Thank you, Peter. Can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day. As we wind down this NFL season and talk about all the stories that were, the stories that are,

and the stories that are to be, we can't thank you enough for allowing us to be a part of your day-to-day super bowls in two weeks but so much is going to happen from now till then if you want to be a friend tell a friend please feel free to do that if not just act like this show never happened hashtag end of pod squad let us know where you're at ty schmidt continuing to give away merch and we'll be back minyanoogna. Maybe. Is Aaron? I'm thinking no, but maybe. But if he is not, we should have great conversations with whomever stops by, and we appreciate you. Ty, please play some independent music and propel these people no beautiful. Overreaction Monday

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