The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 602 - Shams Charania, Michael Lombardi, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: February 23, 2022

On today's show, Pat and the boys welcome back AJ Hawk from the Ohio State cruise and discuss yesterday's interview with Aaron Rodgers and the reaction to it, what AJ thinks that means going forward, why the salary cap means nothing, what to expect from the franchise tag period, and more. Joining the program is friend of the show, NBA Insider for The Athletic and Stadium, Shams Charania to discuss all the different things happening in the NBA, Ben Simmons and James Harden switching places, what's going on with Zion, what the Lakers are going to do, and who's going to win the NBA Championship (27:09-53:17). Later, 3x Super Bowl Champion, former NFL General Manager, Special Assistant to the New England Patriots, author, host of the GM Shuffle Pod, and friend of the progrum, Michael Lombardi joins the show to discuss what is going to happen with the franchise tag over the next few days, his thoughts on what the Packers need to do to keep Aaron Rodgers, the situation with Brian Flores and his attorney's, what the Texans are going to do, and where he sees certain veteran Quarterbacks going this offseason (1:12:29-1:32:59). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen every day on Mad Dog Radio, Sirius XM Channel 82. We appreciate you all for listening, come and laugh with us, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is February 23rd, 2022. Let's get wild. Wednesday begins right now. Yeah! Can't thank you enough for joining us here at YouTube.com forward slash The Pat McAfee Show. Day two of the 2022 NFL season for PMS Live.

That is this show is officially started. Big time show today. Big time show. We got Shams Sharani and Stomp. Okay. Shams, friend of the show,

obviously a man who won the trade deadline in the NBA. I think it's time for us to get updated on what's going on in that sport. Yeah.

Thank you, right. Every time Shams comes on, I ask him every question that I need to figure out what the fuck has happened in the NBA, what's going on right now, and what I can look forward to.

He is always fantastic. I do believe he was the one that broke the Harden-Simmons trade that everybody was skeptical against, and it shut down the NBA, basically. He's, uh, I can't wait to chat with him. I miss him, actually. I know. It's been a while. He's the best.

So, Sean's one of the only guys that I've, like, scheduled to be on the show, then had time thing, didn't come on the show, couldn't come on the show, did it again, couldn't come on the show again because of a time commitment thing. Only guy that I've, like, continued to reach out to, you know, because normally, if I reach out to somebody

and they come on the show and then they back out of coming on the show, it's like, alright, then if I reach out to them again, then they say they're coming on the show and they back out to come to the show. I'm like, all right, I'm not doing this. Like, I understand. And they're probably trying to tell me something. Shams, though, is working his ass off right now.

Shams is in a grind mode right now. And I'm so thankful he's taking time to chat with us and smarting us up in the NBA world. Because what is going on? Are we near the playoffs yet? Post-All-Star break, so it's supposed to start heating up now, right? Game starts back tomorrow. Oh, yeah.

This one, hey, we're supposed to care about that. Yeah, that's right. Two months. Like 27 games. Perfect timing. The MLS starts Saturday. Oh, yeah. Can't wait.

Okay, the NBA's happening. College basketball's taking place. Sean doesn't know anything about any of that, but he does know the NBA, so we'll chat with him. Lost 5,000 last night on Michigan State, getting blown out by Iowa. Thank you. Jersey retirement. Thank you, fucking Evan Fox. They might stink. Jersey retirement. Michael Lombardi

will join us also in the second hour. Cannot wait to chat with him. About, you know, right now there's a lot of things going on. Franchise tags were being able to be delivered starting yesterday all the way through March 8th. The league year starts March 16th. There's salary cap gymnastics happening. The Packers have already done it.

They were like $30 million over the cap or projected cap. They redid Kenny Clark's contract de-tackle for them with two voidable years at the end of this thing. Saved themselves $10 million, so now they're only $20 million over the cap. And once again, this goes to show, this reporting is via Field. Shout out to Field, by the way. Thank you, Field. They converted $13.615 million of Clark's 2022 compensation into a signing bonus

and added two void years to his deal. So then they added to a signing bonus. The signing bonus then gets distributed amongst the entire contract. So this was a move Tom Brady did with the Patriots so many times. He would take his yearly salary. They would turn it into a signing bonus before the season. Then that number, instead of hitting for the one-year salary, it would be scattered amongst the years in which the entire contract is.

Then people started gaming the entire system. All right, we're going to do a 10-year deal with eight voidable years, but the voidable years are opt-outs that won't be figured out until later. We'll turn this contract into a signing bonus contract. Then we'll scatter it amongst the 10. Now, nobody's done 10 years, but they've done four, five, and six. But I'm just saying for the sake of the explanation of why the salary cap does not matter. So then they take that one year's salary.

They put it in the signing bonus so the player's still getting his money. Then they scatter it throughout the entire years. So then they save all this fucking money, basically. That's why you add the voidable years at the end, because then that contract is now cut into fourths, basically, or fifths, depending upon how many years you extend that thing, which leads us to the next point that nothing matters in the salary cap conversation now that that has been figured out. So you have to remember that whenever you're thinking about your team. Oh, can we afford this guy? Can we afford this guy? The answer is yes. You can afford whoever, whenever, however.

That is just what everybody needs to understand with the modern NFL. Will the NFL adjust to that and make rules so that can't take place? Probably. There will be an adaptation somewhere of these owners that don't want to spend all this money or aren't maybe in desirable cities that have either good tax benefits or good weather or anything like that where you're seeing a lot of OGs kind of travel to. So there's going to be people that are pissed off. They can't play the system as well as everybody else. There will be a change, but until that time comes, probably a couple of years right now, the salary cap means absolutely nothing. And

it's only going up. So you should remember that whenever we put up how much space a team has going into free agency and we say, Oh, they got $62 million. They got $57 million at L.A. for the Chargers. And the Jags got $56 million. And the Bengals got $48 million. And then you look at the bottom five. You're like, the Saints have negative $70-some million. The Packers now have negative $30-something because of the $10 million they just saved on the Kenny Clark thing.

Cowboys, $21 million over the cap. Vikings, Rams, all these teams are over the cap. None of that means shit. None of it means anything because they can set up contracts to mean anything they wanted to which leads us to the next point yesterday the kenny clark deal obviously the packers have to do that before i think next month but also if they want to sign or keep anybody they have to make space to do that whole thing right so they're making those moves. The fact that the Packers are doing the voidable year trick, which is what Tampa did, Kansas City did, L.A. did, the Saints did. The fact that Green Bay is starting to do it, this is huge for modern times. The Green Bay Packers kind of changing, evolving, and hopefully having a blueprint to how they can kind of keep everybody on the team.

In which, you know, it sounds like probably maybe gonna have aaron rogers and it sounds like he's in a much better spot after yesterday's conversation at ty schmidt uh shareholder of the green bay packers you gotta love seeing them do this type of deal because although it's just kenny clark the thought of adding the voidable years and turning into the salary cap it's like welcome to the game right that's that's kind of what we're hoping everybody starts doing yeah absolutely i you know you see all the other teams doing the voidable years thing and we talk about it and it was kind of just like an expectation like oh the packers don't operate that way they're not going to do that but i think this obviously bodes very well for the fact that it's like hey it might only be two years that we have

with rogers or whatever but we're we're going you know, I mean, they went all in last year, but they're going to do it again. They realize like, hey, our best opportunity to win a Super Bowl with how well this guy's playing is right now within these next few years. So let's kick the can down the road four or five years or whatever and kind of retain our core. And it's interesting because Green Bay doesn't have an owner. Right. And they make $250 million a year in real estate. Remember we saw that? Oh yeah. Investments? Yeah, and investments

in real estate and however it is. And that money just goes into a fund. So you don't fully understand why they wouldn't operate that way other than the fact that they are the keepers of the Packers organization. Like, hey, this is a legendary thing. This is how we operate. This is what the Packers are. We're one of the original teams. I mean, NFL film is basically on this guy. So I feel like that is a thing that Mark and Gutekunst and all them, the keepers of the Packers, I feel like.

Yeah. But adapting to the modern time and making moves, I think is not a bad thing for the package organization and we've heard other gms whether it's off air through like sources or whatever talk about how this isn't a sustainable winning uh model to kick things down the road because it's going to show up when it shows up it's going to show up when it shows up it's like well it feels like all the teams that are winning are fucking yeah it feels like all the teams that are winning are doing this is back whenever i was a kid grew Grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Hell yeah. What? At Nick Morado. Congrats on the engagement. What's up? What's up? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

Basically every Italian in America has some sort of tie to Pittsburgh. So how's the family, everybody? What's up? But the Pirates stunk. Yeah. Pittsburgh Pirates stunk. Still do. Still do. Always will with this bum-ass owner that they got ready.

Okay? Sell the fucking team. Not to us, but somebody should be able to buy that team that matters. But I would watch, you know, at night, there was, you know, I'd watch the Lakers at night because I couldn't sleep. And then when baseball was happening, there was this one team that was always around, okay? And then you watch the Frank Abagnale in the Catch Me If You Can, and his dad says, you

know why the Yankees always win? Because they're too busy staring at the pinch track. Like, the Yankees were always a thing. So during baseball playoff time, it was like, all right, the Yankees are going to be here. I would like to see this team win. And then you start hearing all the baseball purists say, well, they cheat. They spend more money than everybody. It's like, well, that sounds like a team that wants to win more than everybody else, in my eyes, personally eyes personally as a competitive human that sounds like somebody that wants to win more it feels like the teams that are doing this are the teams that want to win more right now and i understand there's thinking ahead but allegedly through all these

sources a lot of these gms don't want to do it because they don't think it's the right way to operate they think it'll catch up to you i don't think it will i don't think it at all which leads me to this point the fact that the patriots have been – Oh, I know. You know, they started this signing bonus stuff way back. Now, the voidable years and all that, so you've got to give credit to Belichick being able to game the system for all those years with Tom Brady taking those pay cuts, which weren't pay cuts. Well, he wasn't getting paid as much as he should, okay,

but he would turn his contract into signing bonuses. He's taking less money. Actually, he's getting his money up front. It's actually almost a better deal for him. But they've been gaming the system for a long time because Tom Brady would allow them to do such. Now Mac Jones is on a rookie contract, so they're still able to do it.

How will they be able to do it going forward? I think we'll all be intrigued to see what Bill Belichick does with that once they have to pay Mac Jones. But how come you guys force everybody out whenever you can pay everybody if you wanted to? Robert Kraft has all the money in the world. He owns the entire Foxborough town, basically.

He has a casino. He's got Patriot Place. He's got, obviously, Jon Bon Jovi's concert revenue. I think he's an investor in Fanatics, which is doing very well. He has some paper company, I think, that he came from. Let alone, he has all this money. He would spend the money, would he not? Absolutely.

So how come Bill Belichick isn't doing this whole game? He's a guy who games the system like why everybody has so much respect how come it always comes stefan gilmore get the fuck out of town we don't want to pay you jc jackson now it sounds like get the fuck out of town we don't want to pay you what do you think it is you think that it's just like this is how bill belichick operates why do you think jc jackson publicly came out and said obviously don't care about me. This is a crazy quote. Insane. This is an insane quote to hear from J.C. Jackson.

Mr. Interception, absolute lockdown stud for the Patriots. And Bill Belichick's defense, in which there's no defensive coordinator. Nope. Right? Bill Belichick probably pretty hands-on in this particular department. I guess I can't be that important to them. They're not showing me. I don't know how this was taken.

I didn't listen to the full interview. But the fact that this came out of his mouth, very interesting. You would think normally Team 3 would say these types of things like what happens in Russell. But why does this continue to happen? You think up there in New England, Connor? Salary cap's not real. The draft has all the money in the world. You got a rookie contract.

Why does this continue to happen? I mean, with JC, we were working on an extension. And when I say we, I mean me, Bill, and all the guys in the Patriots front office. Steve. Yeah, Steve, sure. John Mayo. So during the season, they tried to get it done last year.

Obviously, it didn't happen. Now, franchise tag starts. On Tuesday, he said to Phil Perry on NBC Sports Boston, like, hey, you know, look, they haven't reached out. I don't know why. I guess they don't like me. So that is really not out of context, that quote as a whole. But look, Bo Belichick's at West Bumfuck University right now at some pro day

for some D3 guy you've never heard of. Sorry. You know, our head coach is also our GM. Sorry about it. Sorry about it. Okay, look, he's got multiple jobs. he can't be you know concerning himself with a franchise tag networking when you know he knows okay i gotta get that done by march 8th realistically just like rap sheet said about how the patriots really take their time and hiring coaches they really take their time and place in the franchise tag too

jc jackson's to get the tag next year when the salary cap goes up $20 million more and Mac Jones is still on that rookie contract. Then J.C. will get his big bag. It's awesome to think about, though, that Bill Belichick's running all this shit. So, like, when other GMs have, like, hey, need you to talk to this guy's agent, kind of let them know where we're at or whatever,

Bill Belichick's like, hey, Matt Patricia, we got to get in a bus south harman institute technology there's a fucking three technique down there yeah that we think we could add to this deep let them know we will get hey we'll we'll fucking get to you yeah and then jc's like oh you'll get to me huh you gotta travel to south harman institute of technology what's that all about? It's an interesting dynamic. It's a very, very interesting dynamic. But there's only one Bill Belichick. And there's going to be multiple people that are going to try to have that type of role. And I think there's obviously some drawbacks.

Those types of drawbacks, though, if you haven't won six Super Bowls, it's going to be tough to get past. All the players, the agents, everybody. Hey, fuck you, fuck you. That's why whenever everybody comes from the Belichick tree and they try to do the same thing, it's like, you don't have the resume, okay, to do what this guy did. And in 2022, it's really hard for people to continue to be like, you know what, you're right, you're a fucking asshole, we're losing,

I'm going to continue to do this. It's hard. It's hard to continue to do that in the world that we're in. At Tone Diggs, you've got to be pumped, though, that the Steelers, they never concern themselves with any of this drama. Ain't that right? Never. Never. The salary cap thing, you that the Steelers, they never concern themselves with any of this drama. Ain't that right? Never. Never.

The salary cap thing. You think the Steelers will ever become a team that does that? Because not notoriously known to pay anybody in Pittsburgh. Hire from within. They pay guys who they draft. They've never gone out. Which, by the way, honorable. Yeah, big time.

Remember we talked to Chris Ballard. Chris Ballard said, like, our guys need to know that when they come here if you play well you're going to get paid which is a big thing for recruiting free agents and stuff like that but the whole manipulating the salary cap i don't know if the steelers will ever ever be a part of it so for the first time i can remember in my life they're actually 30 million over the cap normally they're like 30 million under or sorry they're 30 million under the cap normally they're about 30 million under or sorry they're 30 million under the cap normally they're about 30 million over the cap they're sitting like where the packers are right now normally so they either have to do stuff like that where they do this the salary cap gymnastics or they have to let guys go that they can't keep to pay or whatever but so this is the

first time ever that they have a chance to actually potentially go out and sign guys because they don't have to do all this where they have to cut guys to get under the cap so i'm interested to see like if will they go out and like fix the old line potentially this offseason like the browns did a few years ago they signed three guys who became pro bowl well i think to my uh no no that was another place i guess laramie tonsil is getting recruited yeah yeah big time since he was recruiting him yeah well every mike hilton was i love that there is now we're in the realm of people can go anywhere. Yeah.

Like Jarvis Landry. Yeah. All of a sudden, in my head, it was like Jarvis Landry next year, definitely a Brown. And then he puts out his tweet. You kind of look in a situation, it's like, oh, the amount of money they could potentially save with him not being there. And they're going to go through the run game.

And Jarvis seems to be okay with going elsewhere. It's like, oh, shit, Jarvis Landry might be on there. Sure. That's a hell of a play. Larry McDonnell on the, like, there is, who knows how many other players are going elsewhere it's like oh shit Jarvis Landry might be on there sure that's a hell of a play Larry McDonnell on the move like there is who knows how many other players are going to potentially be like you know what yeah I think I would like to move yeah and I don't know if any of it will happen but it feels like we're getting to a closer point of that maybe becoming a reality for around the entire dirty's working on a free agent graphic out there and completely forgot Stefan Gilmore now a free agent since out there and completely forgot Stefan Gilmore.

Now a free agent since he just went to the Panthers. Yeah, let's look at the top 15 free agents and shout out to Dirty for putting this thing together. Look at the binoculars up on the top. Oh, I like that. Free agency watch. And this is via Pro Football Focus. Shout out to Chris Collinsworth, Ari Mirov, and the boys over there. MySportsUpdate, by the way. Hustle. Nice grind. Nice guy.

Nice guy. Very nice guy. That was the cool thing about Super Bowl week. We got to meet all these people. I mean, Ari had helped out our show immensely with his tweets, so we appreciate him. But if he had pro football focus, the top 15 free agents, Devontae Adams, which a lot of people after what Aaron said

yesterday, I guess the take was, well, if Aaron's not going back, why would you even tag Devontae Adams, which a lot of people, after what Aaron said yesterday, I guess the take was, well, if Aaron's not going back, why would you even tag Devontae then? Because he's really good. He's fucking like best receiver in the NFL. Jordan Love. Whoever is throwing the football, it's probably better to have the best guy.

But they were saying something about saving money. If you're not going to have Aaron, why would you have Devontae? I don't know how that came out of that conversation yesterday. Cause it sounded like Aaron understood that the tag could happen. Neither side wants that to happen. They want the longterm with the voidable years is almost Aaron almost described what he thought that contract would look like with Devante. And then in turn, somehow,

I guess the way, the way people can hear the same thing and then just get completely polar different is wild i guess that's like human psychology i don't know how that works but i i feel like davante there's no way he leaves no there's no way he leaves i've always viewed it as if rogers is back davante is back and even if rogers were to leave or retire whatever i don't i can't I can't imagine that the Packers wouldn't at least franchise him for one more year I think it is possible too that like they could franchise him what by the eighth and then work on yes doing a long-term deal like so

he might he might get franchise tag but I I'd never once thought going into the offseason like oh there's you know Devontae is probably not going to be playing for the Packers because I've just assumed that if Rodgers goes back he's going to be there too and we can indicate the you know the aggression of the Packers front office whenever they do this Kenny Clark deal where they save an amount of money and they do the avoidable things it's like I think the Packers are actually maybe going to do some shit yeah I think it's possible which is really cool by the way which you would have to say that that probably is because of what happened between them and Aaron last offseason. Yeah, it has to be.

I would assume that is why that is the case. And then if they are super aggressive and they do everything, it's like, well, then why would Aaron even think about potentially going somewhere? You know, it's like a very interesting host. would Aaron even think about potentially going somewhere you know it's like a very interesting host like I think we'll look at this later looking back on how this whole thing happened because instead of Peyton or Tom or Matthew like what if they do just like yeah actually let's just fix this thing right here and they continue to go on to have like actually like win a Super Bowl or two it's like that'd be that kind of debunk a lot of theories about people just leaving and have success well and I think after seeing what the Rams just did it's like okay hey but guess what we don't know

what's after rogers like there's a very good chance that whoever comes here and plays quarterback next isn't going to be as fucking good as this guy is so we need to maximize like i think a lot of packers fans they've won they've went to the playoffs so many times won the division so many times like i think you would trade off kind of selling out, going all in right now, winning a Super Bowl, and then maybe being mediocre for the next five years. I think that's an equal tradeoff. All you want to do is win a Super Bowl. Exactly.

Only thing that matters. Especially when you've won the division how many times and went to the NFC Championship. It's like, that shit doesn't matter anymore. 31 teams are having a conversation about, how do we win Super Bowl next year? Yeah. You know, that's – so if you don't make the playoffs like Clontown happened with the Colts, you win a Super Bowl next year, nobody gives a fuck. Right.

You know, like it does not matter at all. Did the parade happen? Yes. Okay. The other top 15, Armstead down there his contract potential 60 million Godwin oh Godwin's gone yeah

Godwin's gonna get signed now coming off an injury which is tough but I think he played through a bunch of injuries and everybody has massive amount of respect for Godwin

I think in the NFL he's gonna get signed somewhere with maybe some people who have money come to Indianapolis sure maybe New England no come on Indianapolis

they don't pay anybody in New England no don't you they don't pay anybody in New England we're gonna don't you worry. They don't pay anybody in New England. We're going to tag them. Yeah. Von Miller, I didn't know he was up. Yeah.

Why don't you come to Indy? Come on, Indy, Von. Yeah, L.A. L.A., come on. You saw L.A., dude. No, I know. We also felt L.A. Yeah, but Von Miller, he's a fucking cowboy, dude.

He ain't worried about just the weather being sunny. You're right. Get out of here, dude. And also, here in Indy, you don't ain't worried about just the weather being sunny. Get out of here, dude. And also, here in Indy, you don't have to worry about just literally stepping over a human pooping right on the street right now. What's the best way to walk with you? Yeah, I was going to say, it depends, but also... There is a decent amount.

There was. It's the winter, so you don't see it as much. Yeah, it's frozen. I guess the poop's back. Especially May. Indy, May. Oh, it's frozen. Bring us the poops back. Especially May. Indy May. May, everybody. Oh, it's going to get dirty.

Get your boots ready. Should not let Vaughn in the city until at least July. Right. July, August. Aaron Donald's going to retire if they let Vaughn go, so they can't. Yeah, and they've mastered the who gives a fuck about anything other than trying to win a Super Bowl. We'll pay everybody everything. Who cares?

Our owner, he owns like 17 teams. He was 200% overestimated budget for this stadium we're currently in that we're sharing with another team. Yeah, don't worry about Spano's family. His wife's part of the Walmart family. They're going to have money. They're going to be okay. Walmart's still doing it, huh?

Oh, yeah. Crushing. They are. Oh, yeah. They're building up. Walmart's building, I mean. New Supercenter? No. Factory. Storage. They are. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They're building up. Walmart's building, I mean. New Supercenter? No.

Factory. Storage. Massive factory. Warehouse? Storage is, yeah, out here. Because I thought it was all Amazon. I was like, oh, Amazon's doing all this so they can store all their shit so they can get things overnighted to everybody, you know, because Indianapolis is pretty centrally located

to most things. So, you know, around Foxy's house, they're just. Big hub. They're just building. They're just building all these storage. The Walmart one's the biggest one. I thought it was just Amazon. No, no. I guess there's, I don't know how much we should be giving away,

but there's like servers being served in all these millions. And then Walmart has the fucking biggest one. And it's like, oh, so Walmart's in this whole game too. What's going on? Unfortunately, in the next like two to three years, Foxy's house is going to be the middle of one of these Walmarts, like Kanye's house is in the middle of the stadium. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. And if you hang on to it, Foxy, I think you'll be able to get a pretty good buck out of it. Have the biggest house in the office. Jeez. Big time hold situation. So Walmart's still in. Anyways, Kroenke will fucking pay.

Hey, an old buddy wearing the shirt, fuck those pictures. I mean. It is awesome. Their PR department's the worst in the NFL, pay. Hey, an old buddy wearing the shirt, fuck those picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean. It is awesome. Their PR department's the worst in the NFL, though. Oh, yeah. The Rams. Five months out of question. They've also run out of picks, though, to trade now.

No, no. Dude, there's always more. Yeah, next year. 2028. 2029. 2030. I think you're only allowed a five-year margin, I think. I think you're gone.

We looked into this. So they have zero picks to give up. That's awesome. What a Super Bowl. What a Super Bowl. Yeah, exactly. There you go. And next year, by the way, opens a new five-year window.

There'll be a whole other slot of picks. That's right. Coming up next year. Got to sign Vaughn, though. Those picks are going to stink anyway. Let's just be honest. Well, I don't know. You started looking at stats, which I know stats are always stats.

Stats play on everybody's team. Stats plays. Somehow, stats are on everybody's team, and they're always like the finisher. Like the fact. Yeah, so Brock has the F5 thing. People have probably seen him do it to a shark. He's done to a lot of humans. People don't survive normally.

No, never. Goldberg used to spear, then Jack O'Neill was like his finisher. Mike Tyson had the big-time right. Feels like in every argument, that big-time right is always a stat. Boom! I got it. And then the other person always figures out how to counter with their finisher, and then it's just stats on both sides.

But the stats always say, you know, something that makes a narrative better or a picture better and i would like to say i am certainly on the fuck those picks side yeah so these stats definitely paint my picture better there is no chance that you are going to hit on every one of your picks so the fact that some people hang on to these picks like they are gold and i get it i understand that they can be and you can find a diamond in the rough. Stats say, in this particular case, my stats, that I could find very quickly and easily.

Most of these people you draft in the first round, second round, third round, are going to fucking bust. Stats say. The quarterbacks in the first, like, 15, over the last five, six years, or 10 years maybe, I think, just absolute bust, bust, bust.

Is it their fault? Is it the team's fault? Who knows? But if you can get a proven guy, I'm doing that 10 times out of 10 because they know the league, they know how to do their thing, and it's working out for everybody. But to do so, you've got to do a lot of salary capture math. Especially when they're allowing you to trade picks five years from now

and it's like, hey, there's a good chance in three years I'm not going to be coaching here anymore. So fuck those picks even more. Am I even going to get to see the end of when those picks actually come up? What are the Colts going to do? Nothing. What's your problem? I mean, unless they release Carl. That is at the top of their list.

They need to get Russell Wilson. They need to do whatever they can to get Russell Wilson. There ain't no way Sierra is coming to Indianapolis, Indiana. Make her an offer she can't refuse. Have you seen Broad Ripple? It's pretty nice. No, have you seen this house? It's half the fucking city. Oh, yeah. It's got your own reservoir. Was it 14 or 17 million? Yeah.

It's half the city. But that situation feels like the Packers where it's like, hey, instead of letting these guys go, let's keep this in-house, fix it, and then let's go on a run. You're talking Seahawks? Yes. Instead of letting Russell go somewhere else, let's do it here.house, fix it, and then let's go on a run. You're talking Seahawks? Yes. Instead of letting Russell go somewhere else. Instead of letting Russell go. Yeah, let's figure out what Russ wants. Let's abide by what he wants, and then let's see what we can do.

Isn't it crazy to think, like, Doug Peterson and them in Jacksonville are going to have that team believe, and they're going to win a Super Bowl? Yeah. And at some point, we will have to talk about the optimism every single team has. But if history shows us anything like there's only a couple organizations that really have a shot at winning they're the ones that are very obviously trying to win right now i agree and then the bangles fucking ruined that the bangles were awesome weren't they yeah but they paid a lot of guys too like last free agency

was like the first time they were ever going after people but also see also well i don't have to i don't want to say it. Yeah, of course. But they got their quarterback. So, like, if Trevor Lawrence could be that guy and then the Jags signed a bunch of people, who the fuck knows? Yeah. And what are they going to do with all Irvin's guys?

Yeah. Is there a clash of culture there? Because they're living on the edge. Remember, what if Doug Pearson comes in and says, I want to be elite? Yeah. And Irvin Meyer just dunked on elite all last year like we're throwing around this word elite too much what he said that that organization owns a company that actually has elite in it that's right one of his first things like elite stinks we need to be on the edge building a culture changing a

culture so fascinating but the quickest way to win i think is just bring in goddamn guys that win and if you have an owner that's willing to do that, it's game, set, match. And I guess that's what we've got to talk about for the next month is who's going to spend money. Yeah. I mean, from what it sounds like in Jacksonville, it shouldn't be that big of a problem if Urban was getting laughed out of team meeting rooms and people were just shitting on him.

I think Doug comes in, he's just a real dude. They'll probably love him right away. I love it. I can't wait to see what the Jags do. Can't wait to see what the Colts do. Should be interesting. Excited to see what the Packers do. Excited to see where J.C. Jackson goes because they ain't showing him any love.

No. Sounds like a story as old as time. And New England will somehow always win. Let's pivot a little bit to the Basketball Association. This conversation was actually supposed to start a few moments ago, but I guess maybe some shit just popped up. Breaking news. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us right now,

the top basketball insider. There is a scoreboard. There are stats. This dude is on top of the game. The incredibly handsome from the Athletic and Stadium Network, ladies and gentlemen, NBA insider, Shams Haranian. Hey, Shams.

What up, fellas? What's up? New backdrop. What's going on, man? New year, new you. Yeah, I got the clear backdrop. I know it looked like I was in a spaceship or something, like an alien vortex, but I'm out of there now.

I'm in my natural habitat. Hell yeah. Great to have you back. Let's talk about, you just broke some news, I believe, so thank you for joining us immediately after that. And let's dive right into it. New York City has a plan to phase out the vaccine mandate in the coming weeks. Mayor Eric Adams says, at which point Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving

would be cleared for home games. Spokesperson adds that current rules remain in place. This is via Sham Sharani, a Twitter account, and it's already doing numbers. 1,200, 1,300 retweets, 1,400 retweets. I mean, he's obviously going. The Sham Sharani, Asham's bombs continue. So this is still a thing. We haven't talked to you in a while.

Kyrie Irving not being able to play in New York but playing on the road is still a thing. Obviously, the Nets are a brand-new team. We have to dive into that. What are you hearing about this in a couple weeks is that good for the timeline of the NBA it'll be in a few weeks where there is optimism and even the city is now going to work on lifting the mandate and so there's been optimism I was just in Cleveland for all-star weekend and there was a lot of optimism among the league you know the NBPA basically you know the nets have been optimistic for quite some time now that the mandate would eventually be lifted uh during

the second half of the season and now eric adams today comes out and says that yes that is the plan that is what the city is going to work on over the next few weeks i think there's eight or nine games home games left that carrie irving out of the last 23 games of the season that he's going to be eligible to play. Obviously, all those games on the road. But now there is optimism that hopefully before the month of March is out, Kyrie Irving will be able to step foot on the floor at Barclays Center and play home games. And then be eligible to play at home during the playoffs when it matters most. I think that's always been the question. That's the question around the league.

The Nets season changed when they brought back Kyrie Irving in early January and brought him back into the fold. But this moment that he could be brought back for home games could define their season and could define the way the NBA championship landscape ends up. Okay, well, thank you for breaking that news. Excited to hear and learn more about that. And you're a basketball insider, not a world insider, but did we beat COVID? Is that what that means?

I mean, listen, Toronto, Washington, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago. It's been on and on of just of just uh so I'm getting text messages but it's been every single city has been uh has been lifting their mandate in New York City Eric Adams have been the last one standing and so it was to me only a matter of time before this mandate was lifted and Eric Adams obviously confirms today that that process is is underway is going to be something that's going to take an amount of time this isn't something that's just going to happen over the next couple days um obviously could and and that's probably going to be what what would fall in line with what the norms are across the country right now but san francisco

um you know boston philadelphia washington toronto uh mlLSC, which oversees the Raptors, announced that beginning March 1 they've lifted the vaccine requirement. So I would expect the month of March is going to be a big moment for the Nets and for the city of New York. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba- We beat COVID. We beat COVID. Yeah! Woo! All right.

All right. Congrats to all of us, by the way. Congrats to everybody. Congrats, Pat. Congrats. No, congrats to you and everybody. Congrats, Sean. Congrats, everyone.

Peace information, Sean. We fucking beat COVID. Oh, my God. Man. Yes! Woo! Thank you for that. I did not expect that from, you know, NBA insider Sean Serrano.

But now that we do it, let's talk about the next. What text are you getting? Is there anything big? Is there any other mandates being lifted? I'm checking right now. Let me see. Let me see if I can open this text. What if he just breaks news?

He does. He just shits and breaks news. I bet it's Rapshie asking him to get a beer or something. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Hey, are you just a booze hound too but we got plenty to talk about pat okay all right let's dive into it sorry rap sheet told

us yesterday that basically the way he gets his network and his insiders he just goes and gets drunk with everybody yeah so he's always drinking he has a little bit of an addiction issue i think to alcohol but it's gotten him far in his life so he's never going to stop you guys get him on the record on what drink choice he prefers. If you got whatever's closing. Come on, Pat. He drinks everything. I mean, it was blue margarita as soon as he landed in L.A. Like yesterday, it was beer, wine.

Then he talks about tequila. Troy Aikman's ate beer. Then he's got Stella or 12. He literally does not. You know, he's like the white dude in, I think it's Cat. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah yeah we're here to get fucked like that i think that is ian rapport he's like hey listen we're here to get we're here to get sources yeah who wants a beer tequila vodka wish on what who needs it that's kind of what

rapport's doing is that how it is in the association is that what you're doing to get all your insider information um i i can't say that i get i get drunk with my sources no so we you know i think that's where i have a lot of respect for ian that's my guy but i i that that's where we kind of differ i don't i don't i don't typically go that route well i mean it's good for your liver good for your soul i mean i guess there's more than one way to get your information let's talk about the information you had though before everybody else ben simmons you're in front of this we were talking to you about ben simmons while i think you were the only person with any information about Ben Simmons. He was obviously with the Sixers.

Something happened. He didn't like anybody. Nobody liked him. He wasn't practicing. He was there. Mental health wasn't all the way ready to play. Everybody was thinking it was just a dying situation because the Sixers said, we're not going to move him. Then you reported Harden is actually available for trade from the Nets because he hated.

I don't know. Did he hate Brooklyn? I don't know how that whole thing happened. But then they inevitably trade. You break the news. That is huge, right? That was big-time news in the NBA. I thought Harden and Kevin Durant were boys.

I thought there was no way he would leave. I thought nobody wanted Ben Simmons. Now it seems like everybody's happy. Is that the case? I mean, both teams got exactly what they wanted. Philadelphia has wanted James Harden this entire season. That's been their game plan. I actually reported a few weeks even before the trade that daryl morey in philadelphia we're gonna wait for the offseason we're gonna sit on ben simmons until the offseason

where they can go and pursue james harden but that moment came a lot quicker than they expected than anyone around the league expected because uh james harden began to check out of brooklyn that's that's just the the why fact of the matter. Why? What happened? I think there were several things. James Harden came out and said that the inconsistency of Kyrie Irving being available for only road games and being a part-time player, I think that was something that he admitted had an impact on the team.

So that's maybe one thing. But also even beyond that is the style of play. When James Harden's on the floor, you know he's going to have the ball in his hands a lot. There's a Houston Rockets style of basketball that he likes to play where the ball is going to be in his hand. While there are other people, Steve Nash, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, other members of that locker room that want a more free-flowing style. And I had some sources close to the coaching staff tell me that we have a totally different game plan when James Harden is on the floor than when he's not on the floor. And so that is not a conducive environment to play with. And at the point when James Harden scores four points in Sacramento, sits the next two games that the Nets have, there was real belief that he had checked out.

the Nets have, there was real belief that he had checked out. And so when you have a player of that magnitude that is not there mentally and wants to move on, and clearly you have a trade suitor in Philadelphia, and the Nets got a great package. Ben Simmons, Seth Curry, Andre Drummond, two first round draft picks. That's, to me, that fills all their needs. You know, they had a need for a big, they wanted Ben Simmons last year before they made the trade for james arn they would have willingly taken ben simmons but james harden gets traded to them so uh did they get a big man and andre drummond they get a shooter and seth curry with joe harris on on the fence and it's unclear whether joe harris will be back this season so uh for the nets that was a trade that they had to make both sides had to make him a pat we don't usually in the n NBA see blockbusters of this type.

These are usually deals that are made for the offseason where players can begin to ask out, can begin to find new homes. It's very rare when a player of that magnitude asks out in season, gets his wish within a matter of a couple weeks. Well, congrats to everybody over here. Yeah, good work, everybody. Congrats to everybody. And congrats to you on breaking that news.

That was really good, Choms. Hi, baby Choms. Hi, baby Choms. Hi, baby Choms. Let's talk about somebody who needs to ask out. Is Zion just trying not to play for the Pelicans? J.J. Redick, who we have a massive amount of respect for. He is.

As do I. J.J. does a great job. And, you know, I think when he speaks, he speaks from a position of people understand. He's speaking from a position of having information and having knowledge. And he's not a guy that's just going to be there for the hot take. So I have a lot of respect for JJ. By the way, it felt like that's how the entire Internet reacted yesterday when they were like, hey, JJ doesn't just say shit to say shit. And I, by the way, we as people who are fans of his agree.

So whenever we heard him say this, especially because we asked him about Zion, because they're both Duke guys, he was in New Orleans with them, and I don't remember his exact answer, but I didn't feel as if there was any potential standoffish. I think he was just so distraught and disgusted by the fact that you're the star of this team, they trade in a big-time name to your squad, which C.J. McCollum is, right? That's a big-time name to your squad which cj mccallum is right that's a big time that's a big time name to your squad and you don't even reach out like i feel like jj was

so disgusted by the lack of professionalism from zion there so that's why he kind of said that entire is that in a narrative that everybody has and what is going on is he gonna play ever again what do we ever man i love zion what is going on dead? Listen, I've come on this show and I've said that it's always been in the interest of the Pelicans. It should be in the interest of Zion Williamson to try to find a way back on the floor because at the end of the day, they need to find out what this team is. They got C.J. McCollum. That's a guy that should help this team get to the next level, and their goal now is to make the playoffs.

And they're right there even though they haven't had Zion William wilmson all year and they got off to a rough rough start but willie green has turned to turn the ship around and their team that's fighting for a play-in spot and so it only benefits zion wilmson to get back in the fold here and even a bigger thing guys is he's eligible for a max contract extension in the offseason i think in summer of the neighborhood of 180 million maybe even more and so the fact that give him the money you know is he gonna get that off i mean i think that's a very viable question to ask given he hasn't played all season and so it's in the pelicans interest to see him get back on the floor and to see if he can be a guy that they can you know agree and commit all that money to and so but i i haven't gotten any sense that zion williamson is going to play this season and i

think that definitely is alarming and does he not want to you think he wants to move you think he wants to move his to his family wants him out of there what do you think like you think they don't want the max contract in new orleans maybe i i don't know the answer to that but listen i've done reporting and I've come on this show, Pat, and spoken about it. His family has made it clear at different points over his career so far in New Orleans that they prefer to see him elsewhere. And that could just be normal day-to-day frustration and families

and people around these players can tend to get frustrated at different points. But that was a consistent theme and a consistent message of last season. And that was the season Zion Williamson was mostly healthy. He did miss time. He had a hand injury. And he did miss some time. But overall, he did make an all-star team. He put up amazing numbers.

When he's on the floor and healthy, he puts up sick numbers. I mean, he does video game stuff. Over 60% field goal percent. I think 27 points. 10 rebounds a game. The guy is a beast when he's on game stuff. Over 60% field goal percent. 20, I think 27 points. 10 rebounds a game. The guy is a beast when he's on the floor. The question is, how do you get him back on the floor? How do you get him reconditioned? And I think that's something New Orleans is trying to find.

So did the Pelicans bring in C.J. McCollum to kind of, like, dispel the rumors that they're not trying to win? I mean, I don't know. I think they're always trying to win. How were they? How were they? How were they? Come on I think that the plan has always been to try to win in New Orleans

But they just haven't At the end of the day they haven't been able to put the right pieces together And last year Pat They went out and they tried to get Kyle Lowry They tried to get A top flight free agent point guard. And it did not happen. And they ended up getting Devontae Graham, who has been a nice fit there.

But CJ McCollum is more along the lines of the type of player that the Pelicans were trying to get last offseason. Okay, well, congrats to the Pelicans. Let's hope Zion gets back. Here we go, pals. Good luck. Last question from me before the boys have some. And Shams, we appreciate you joining us. I know there's always news to be broke.

So the fact that you're sitting down with us, we appreciate it. Always, always. Because you're not in your spaceship anymore, but you are always tuned into your phones. Oh, yeah. You know, it seems like there's a reality TV program happening over there in L.A. with the Lakers. You know, it seems like, and I'm just reading from what you guys are reporting,

I'm outside looking in, Don't know basketball well enough. All I do know is in high school, I seen LeBron James. His team came and played an all-star team from Pennsylvania. LeBron dunked from the foul line on maybe the best player in Pennsylvania. I think he was a junior or something like that. I've seen it. And this guy has only— It wasn't on you, right?

No, no. I didn't make that team. I didn't play—no, no. No, I didn't make that team. That team was very good at basketball. But he fucking—hi-ya! And it was like, oh, this guy's different. And then he didn't play. No, no. No, I didn't make that. That team was very good at basketball, but he fucking, hiya. And it was like, oh, this guy's different. And then he was on, you know, magazines.

He had a Hummer and he's been, he was deemed the king of basketball when he was like 14, 15 years old. And he's only, I think, shown up in really an incredible fashion. I think he's made some mistakes PR wise. I think everybody has in will whenever you're growing up with everything kind of handed to you and you don't know, like not handed to you, but the everybody has in will whenever you're growing up with everything kind of handed to you. Not handed to you, but the world literally in your palms. But I think he has really lived up to all the expectation that has ever been placed on him somehow, some way.

With that being said, this feels awkward in L.A., doesn't it? Because now I'm reading reports and tweets, and I don't know enough about it. You'll have to tell me more. Palenka, who's the GM, has the Buss family's support, and LeBron is openly pitching against Palenka who's the GM has the Buss family's support and LeBron is openly pitching against Palenka and now there's a little bit of a separation between and in my eyes I just assume that wasn't ever going to be possible with LeBron James like LeBron James is LeBron James so whatever he wants kind of

happens that's not how it goes I guess and is that kind of what's taking place in LA okay so this has been obviously a disappointing season for the Lakers. I think they're 27-31. They're fighting for a play-in spot. This is a team that had, Pat, championship expectations. LeBron James is on the team. LeBron James is on the team. Anytime you have LeBron James on the team, Anthony Davis on the team,

Russell Westbrook making $47 million on the team. He was supposed to be – he was billed as the third star. You traded – That's a lot of money. Katavius Caldwell pulled Montrezl Harrell, basically got rid of Alex Caruso to bring in this guy, Russell Westbrook, and it has been a flop so far. And I think what I'm seeing is just a level of frustration right now.

And what we've seen from LeBron James teams in the past, you look at that 2018 cavs team that team went to the finals and they were kind of similar in the halfway point of the season as this lakers team is they were struggling they needed to make mass changes and when we've seen lebron james team struggle what typically tends to happen is that they that they rotate players right is they ship guys out bring new guys in and put a new fresh model around lebron james and a new team uh around lebron to just give them a chance to figure it out because anytime you have lebron james on your team you want to figure it

out so what i'm seeing and obviously again he made comments to jason lloyd of the athletic um that's that's definitely a level of frustration to me. And I spoke to Rich Paul. Rich Paul told me there is no issues between him and the Lakers. There's no issues between Clutch Sports and Rob Palenka. He told me there's no issues between LeBron and the Lakers. And so Rich is an agent that has made a history of going on the record. If he feels a certain way, he's not afraid to hide it. And so for him to say that and he

did go on the record with me today when i spoke to him and he said there's no there's no friction there of course there is a level of frustration um and i think when you talk to other members of of the of the lakers roster there's definitely uh frustration they did not see this season going this way. And so the only move that they really could have made that would have made a difference was trading Russell Westbrook for John Wall. That would have required draft assets from the Lakers going to Houston. And if you're the Lakers, would you really trade a draft asset

for a guy that obviously John Wall hasn't played this season? But you kind of just have to live with the bet that you made. And so they made the decision to stand pat. And I personally think that that's a wise choice because this team clearly does not have the makings of a championship roster as of right now. So we'll see what happens. But, you know, when I did speak to Rich Paul, he made it clear that, as he says, there are no issues. It's just something that they're going to have to deal with. Yeah, that's interesting.

Because Rich Paul seemed to take the high road there when he could have said, Far to the right! That was awesome. All I could think of was him and Adele sitting there. Whenever you talk to Rich Paul earlier, I'm like, oh, he's probably of is him and Adele sitting there. Whenever you were like, when you talked to Rich Paul earlier, I'm like, oh, he's probably sitting right next to Adele. Probably. Probably just sitting right next to the best pipes in the game.

And Rich Paul was up there at the goddamn, the thing on the hill. Pat, Pat, but let's talk about this, though. Like, getting Russell Westbrook, this is something that they all wanted, right? LeBron James wanted this. Anthony Davis wanted this. The Lakers. Bernalvis, Rob Palenka, ownership. They all wanted Russell Westbrook, this is something that they all wanted, right? LeBron James wanted this. Anthony Davis wanted this. The Lakers. Bernalvis, Rob Palenka, ownership. They all wanted Russell Westbrook.

And so, you know, if you want to play hindsight 2020 and look at it from, you know, from the point now where you want to second guess it, I mean, I guess they can. And that's what might be what's going on. But to me, if this is a decision everyone wanted, it's hard for me to see that you can then, you know, throw, you know, throw blame on, you know, it's hard to blame on. I think everyone. Hey, why doesn't it work?

Why doesn't it work with Russell Westbrook? Is he just, because I've seen him shoot a ball over the backboard. Yeah. I don't follow close enough, but Russell Westbrook, Brody. Okay. Super intense, super competitive, freak athlete, going to go hard every single night, both ends of the floor. Just that's kind of like what the conversation around him is, right?

Super competitive, willing to fight. Look, like a guy you want on your team. Dog. Yeah. He's a football player playing basketball. Great competitor. I just think with Russell Westbrook, Iok, clearly the shooting fit hasn't worked out. He shot it over the backboard.

What happened? Has he forgotten how to play basketball? What is it? He's shooting like you out there, Pat. No, no, no. I'm a radical. No, no. It is.

You got the stroke. Hey, come on, Sean. You know that. But I'm happy to hear that there isn't any actual beef over there. And this will probably... What do you think the future looks like? You're saying that maybe they could turn it around. Let's assume that doesn't happen i don't i don't

see a scenario where i personally right now i don't see a scenario where lebron james is bolting the lakers for the cavaliers i i don't see that scenario now could he retire one day on a on a one one day contract as a member of the calves sure but as of right now lebron james from everything i've been told his plan is to be a told, his plan is to be a Laker. His plan is to be a Laker for the foreseeable future and ride this out. But again, Pat, there's going to be a level of frustration. All-Star weekend was in Cleveland. And I'm sure LeBron James, Anthony Davis, they've all been shouldering the burden of this season.

This season has not gone the way that they expected. The team isn't constructed the way that they all expected it to be constructed. And so what you're seeing now is the results of it. And when there are expectations, when there's championship aspirations, there's going to be a level of blame that falls on everyone. I think you're starting to see that level of blame fall on these guys. But also, they've been without Kendrick Nunn all year. And I'm not trying to hype up Kendrick Nunn,

but that's a guy that you give $5 million to. He's the highest guy that they paid this offseason because they really didn't have much money available after they made the trade for Russell Westbrook. So they give Kendrick Nunn $5 million. He's supposed to be their big addition coming off the bench, and he has yet to play this season. Yeah, but there's no way that the Lakers ever land in a situation

where they can ask him about Brawny. What's the whole conversation about Brawny then, Sean? Yeah, Sean, is the plan for LeBron just to retire and then wherever Brawny goes, he'll go, and then maybe he goes to the Lakers and he comes back? What's the deal with Brawny? Is it a foregone conclusion that Brawny is making the NBA as well? Yeah, is he the first pick in the draft?

I mean, listen, if a team really feels that they can go get LeBron James by drafting Brawny, I mean, maybe so., if a team really feels that they can go get LeBron James by drafting Bronny, I mean, maybe so. Is that a package deal? Genius. Let's get him to Indiana. He's coming to Pacers. Pacers are in a spot for a lottery pick all the time. Oh, yeah.

Pacers trade all their good players. I was about to say, I mean, imagine LeBron James and Bronny in, like, Minnesota. Oh, here I am. Some of these smaller markets that we never envisioned LeBron James playing on. That would be pretty interesting, pretty neat to see LeBron James bolt to a team like that.

The way I interpret those comments though, Pat, is that this is a guy that obviously would love to play with his son. He'd love to play against him and I think even more he'd love to be in that same locker room. Will that happen? We're two years, three years out from that. It's tough for me to say. It doesn't seem like the

high school, the straight high school, the NBA rule is progressing the way everyone thought it would. If Bronny has to spend a year in college, that obviously pushes this all back. Listen, man. I think he'd love to play with his son. The question is, will that happen? That was great. As soon as your sentence ended, by the way, we went to'd love to play with his son. The question is, will that happen?

That was great. As soon as your sentence ended, by the way, we went to a break at Sirius there. Hardell, you did incredible stuff there. Go ahead, Ty. Shams, are there any plans to change the NBA All-Star Weekend? The game was pretty sweet, but that Saturday night absolutely fucking stunk, and they know it. Are there any plans to change that moving forward or no?

Are you hearing that they're just blowing smoke up each other's ass and saying it was a great weekend? I haven't heard any plan for them to change anything about All-Star Saturday night. You know, dunk contest. I was there. I was in Cleveland. Stunk. Sorry.

Stunk. The dunk contest was, you know. They stunk, Tom! You can say it. You can say it. You can say it. Stunk. The Ducks did not live up to the hype. But listen, Jalen Green, if he makes some of those dunks,

I think we have a different complexion about this. I don't think so. He had some sick dunks, guys. He didn't make the dunks. So we have what we have. I don't know what the league can do. I really don't think it's about money for these guys because if it was about money,

I really think they would have upped it to one million cash prize winner. I don't think it's about money for these guys because if it was about money, I really think they would have upped it to one million cash prize winner. I don't think it's about the money. So if it's not about the money, I don't know who's participating because the ability to look bad, to look embarrassed, that's also something that these guys have to deal with. And pull something because you're doing super explosive stuff. I mean, there's – but I've watched the Bulls warm-up video. Yeah.

The Bulls weren't with, like, Levine. They got some – I think even Caruso was doing, like, 360 dunks or something like that. And then you watch – you go to a game, and in warm-ups, you see guys bouncing it off the ground, off the backboard, windmill dunking, and then just jogging back to a line. It's like – then you watch the All-Star game in the dunk contest. It's like, the shit I see.

It's got to be the nerves because I saw those guys practicing their dunks before the lights came on, before the time went on. They play in the NBA, Sean. They were making all their dunks. They were not missing.

So how do you miss dunks when the lights are on? I don't know, man. Might be some pressure there. Bullshit. Stop getting the 11th guy off the bench and get some stars in there.

And these guys are all boozing up probably. It's an amazing to see John Morant participate. Anthony Edwards. Those guys just might not view themselves as in-game dunkers. Alright, we appreciate you, Shams. You're the best, dude. Appreciate you guys. Thank you. Hey, what's the next news break? Probably

New York lifts a mandate today or anything else? Who's going to win? In the next few weeks. I don't know about today. That would be welcoming news, though, for the NBA and for Kyrie Irving and the Nets. Mayor, what do you say? What do we say? We beat COVID.

Come on, Mayor. It was a long, hard fight. We're at the point now, though, where, hey, listen, this guy, we beat that thing, lift the mandate, let Kyrie play. Who's going to win this whole thing? Who should we be thinking about in here who's doing oh man i i still think brooklyn you know once they get all these guys back they've got to be the team to beat on paper but miami milwaukee the old philadelphia can ben simmons shoot with brooklyn did ben learn how to shoot uh that we will have to wait the next couple of weeks to see. So I don't know the answer to that, Pat.

He just got passed that day. Get rebats. Play defense. Listen, on that team, if he plays the Draymond Green role, you know how amazing that team will be? They have shooting, Kyrie, Seth Curry, Kevin Durant. They got the shooting. They just need someone that can play defense, distribute the ball,

and if Ben can bring an offensive game that we haven't seen so far, that team is going to be scary. So those teams in the east, then Utah, Phoenix, Golden State, I think those are the teams in the west. All right. Steph Curry, I heard he's back, huh? Oh, yeah. Golden State MVP.

Steph Curry, Steph Curry all of a sudden again. Celtics might go on around the back. We get a moving shoes. Celtics stink. Celtics stink. Oh, run. We get a movie. Celtics stink. Celtics stink. How about the Bulls? Just like the Bruins stink. That's not for Sean.

Sean, we appreciate you, man. Can't wait to see you break more news. Thank you. Keep running up the score, by the way, in that insider game. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Fruani. Yeah, Sean! I need to get back into it. It does carry a little longer than you think it's going to in my particular brain.

I got to carry the... a little bit longer. Pretty it's going to in my particular brain. I've got to carry the... a little bit longer. Pretty good rolling your R's there, though. That was good about it. It was very close. We came out of nowhere there, by the way, with that thing, because Shams told us we beat COVID, which is fantastic news. Thank you, Shams.

A lot of people on the internet tell me that's not the case. What? Hey, listen. Hey, per Shams reporting. I didn't say it. Mayor of New York said it. Insider. Yeah, not me. Talks at the tables here. I didn't say mayor of New York. Yeah, insider. Yeah, not me.

Talks to the tables here. I'm Ty Schmidt at Boss & Conner. Boss & Conner said a lot of things about COVID for a long time that haven't been real, but what we heard was from Shams. That is what we're talking about. What's that, dude? What do you mean? Everything I've said about COVID has been fact.

Well, actually, I think there was one time you spoke about COVID. We pushed back a little bit, and you said, I saw it on a meme. That's right. That's right. And there were stats on that meme. Okay? That's all you need.'s right and there were stats on that me okay it's kind of the problem you know it's kind of i was gonna say that's a perfectly reasonable response and that's an issue yeah that's it well and think about it like whenever we were going through school we weren't allowed to uh source wikipedia yeah okay because wikipedia was written by people or whatever nowadays i assume wikipedia is okay can't be sourcing memes

i assume in papers nowadays yeah can't just sourcing memes, I assume, in papers nowadays. Can't just screenshot a meme from an account and put it in there. I assume that is the rule in the modern world. I mean, welcome to the modern world, Pat. They should change that rule, I think. Listen, whenever I was trying to bullshit my way through whatever class I did not pay attention to and they banned Wikipedia, it was like, this is the one-stop shop for all the information I fucking need.

Now I can't use this? What is your guys' deal? We're not trying to learn stuff here? So I had to basically write everything that I learned from the Wikipedia, and then you do reverse. Yeah. Then you go find where. Find some bogus article that sources.

Boom, then you do that. That was the game. You had to learn that very quickly, but it was like, I assume that is now for the memes because of what happened with you. But nonetheless, Tone Diggs is here, the COVID cowboy. He beat COVID. Shout out to Tone. Thank you, Tone.

Another COVID survivor joining us from Manatee, Ohio. He's a college football national champion, a Ryder Cup champion. And if you checked at NFL Throwbacks Instagram or Twitter yesterday, an absolute beast of an NFL football player, Super Bowl champion, all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers, fresh off a ship that went to sea for a cult fundraiser, ladies and gentlemen, Aaron James Hawks. Hey, you're glowing, dude. What's up?

Wow. What's up, man? Hey, who's going to ask Jon Hamm about his big dong tonight on Hockey Talk? Okay. Welcome back, AJ. Jon Stra Wow. What's up, man? Hey, who's going to ask Jon Hamm about his big dong tonight on Hockey Talk? Okay. Welcome back, AJ. Jon Strauss. Good to have you. I just saw the preview here while I was waiting to come on.

That's awesome. Congrats, guys. Yeah, congrats to That's Hockey Talk. Big special edition of Hockey Talk tonight starting at 8.30 Eastern time. YouTube.com forward slash That's Hockey Talk. There'll be some hockey chatter and then the hammer, the hammaconda. forward slash that's hockey talk. There'll be some hockey chatter.

And then the Hammer, the Hammaconda. Jon Hamm, noted St. Louis Blues fan, will join the boys of that's hockey talk. Nick, let's have a night. Here we go, boys. Here we go now, boys. Pumped up. Can't wait to wrestle with the Hammaconda. You know, get some actual hockey talk out of him. AJ, I promise it will be addressed, but we will spend most of the time,

a majority of the time, talking about actual hockey and not his penis. Well, I mean, who knows where that conversation about the Hamaconda, the Hammer, is going to go. Let's not do bad hosting. Ham's coming on a great show. No, no, it will be addressed. Don't get me wrong. But you don't know where that's going to go.

Could eat up 15, 20 minutes. Yeah, because what if he talks about being on the set of whatever the – Like Mad Men. Well, then there was Wind, and then there was something was Wind. You don't know what's going to happen. Let's not put any restrictions on what this conversation with the Hammers go. What if he accidentally flings it over his shoulder? You never know.

It's not turning into penis talk. It's going to be hockey talk. Respect. There's going to be a lot of people getting tossed in respect. See what the chat has to say about that. That's penis talk. There's going to be a lot of people getting tossed in the sin bin in that comment section. I can already tell tonight. But I'm very pumped for that conversation

because he is a noted hockey lover and fan and also an incredibly famous human being. That's great booking by the Ruppermay. Yeah, baby Ruppermay. Absolutely. AJ, welcome back, dude. It's great to see you. How was the ship?

How was the cruise? You look fantastic, and it's nice to see you. How was the ship? How was the cruise? You look fantastic, and it's nice to see you're still alive, pal. Yeah, everything was great. Missed you guys. Missed being on the program. I know you guys had Aaron on yesterday. I was able to watch, and I thought it was very great. You know, listen to him.

You can just kind of hear what his brain has been going through, isn't it? You just got off one of those 12-day-old PKs, too, right? Yeah, so, well, all right, let's of those 12-day old PKs too, right? Yeah. So, well, all right, let's jump right into it. So what do you do? You just dump and puke for 12 days or how does it work? Well, I think like three days of double, you know, attic and basement. I think three days of that, four days of the one end,

five days of the other end, and then you refill, and then you go from the bottoms up, and then you do the whole thing. Listen, people do a lot of things. I've actually asked when we began this show to a lot of professional athletes. I said, you doing weird shit? Keep your body? You know, and that was like one of my standard questions I used to ask because people, the things I would hear people would do to keep their bodies like, right.

Like, you know, you hear about the wine baths and then like you hear about like, you hear about all these off stories, like, oh, this guy used to actually drink his urine, like, and it's like, well, Patches did that in Dodge. But I say, no, he did because everything you said, it is very good for you to get it back. Like, there's people that do weird shit to keep their bodies in line.

Now, a cleanse like that, I've never heard of PK. Is that something you were very common knowledge of? Did you know what PK was? And do you do that alongside of him? And how long do you think he's been doing that? Because boy, the internet was captivated by the old puke and poop cleanse. I was not aware of the exact cleanse, I guess, that he has done. I know he's talked about it before. Maybe he's mentioned the name to me. I never followed up, I guess. But, no, I've never done anything nearly as extreme as that. I've done like the whole 24 hours, you know,

fasting with just water for a couple days or just no food, no water for a day, all that, but not in a long, long time. Is that just because you guys want to test your body, your discipline? Is that what that's about? What do you think it's about? I don't know, bored. You get bored probably when you give something a shot. All right.

That's kind of like with me when I've tried it. All right, so listen. Shailene laughed in the back of yesterday's interview with him. I mean, it hasn't been confirmed. Without a doubt. Hasn't confirmed. Hasn't confirmed. Hasn't been confirmed.

I heard they weren't together. I don't know what's going on. Somebody's wrong. You didn't ask? Well, I kind of did. And he said it was a TV, but she's on TV, right? I didn't say it could have been you know I thought about this last night oh yeah I thought about this last night a bit I was like

oh so that was his answer because it could have anyways the internet sleuth said that was her laugh and I've never seen her in anything but I guess it did sound like her laughing and immediately got quiet afterwards I didn't see him hit a mute button and there was some dishes seem to be doing in the back or like some pots moving around or something so i mean we don't know the case but do you think like whenever he was presented with pk he said like yep immediately whenever he heard about the puking and the pooping the entire time and he just wanted to try it out and it seems like it gets him in a very good spot mentally i think it isn't the only type of serenity. There we go.

Serenity type thing or mental type thing. Has he always been into that type of stuff, you think? Or do you think Shailene potentially brought some into his life and he's loved it? That's why he feels such a connection with her. I'm sure she has brought some of that into his life. He's always been into just how know, just how he is. He's a unique, weird dude. He's always trying to find, like, what he can do to be better physically

and mentally and all that. And you see this whole path that he is on, love and light, gratitude, all of this stuff, Ringo Starr's old tagline from back in the day. So I feel like this is who he is right now. It's what he's doing. But, hey, no matter what, though, he seems pretty damn happy. So I guess. Oh, he's fucking pumped. So I don't now. It's what he's doing. But, hey, no matter what, though, he seems pretty damn happy. So I guess.

Oh, he's fucking pumped. So I don't know. There was people mad, okay, like Stephen A. Smith, who, by the way, got nothing but love for him. Love Stephen A. Love it. Stephen A. brings it, has been bringing it for a long time. His take on it, we love Stephen. He's like, I don't care.

I don't want to hear from him until he makes a decision, okay? I don't want to hear any. Like, I a decision. Okay. I don't want to hear any. Like, I love that take, you know, because it's like, well, I don't want to hear about LeBron and Jordan again until they play, until they actually play. You know, like we get to kind of dive into that for all of sports talk if we wanted to. But I think a lot of people thought he was going to announce his decision.

I even kind of thought like, okay, if we're doing this, there has to be some sort of conversation. Like I didn't know until it started unfolding, but everybody I think was mad that their expectation was he was going to say exactly what he was doing, but I think he gave a lot of information in that 42 minutes yesterday, like a lot.

I think a lot was said yesterday. Everybody was like, nothing was said. It was like, I disagree. I think we learned. He seems to be very happy with the Packers organization, much more so than last year whenever he went to dinner instead of meeting with the coaches because he had some Buddhist shit to talk about. That happened last year. I don't think that's happening this year with LeFleur.

I mean, and then he's taught. Like, I just feel like he said a lot yesterday, AJ. Am I wrong in thinking that? Was I on too many vitamins while the conversation was happening about the PK cleanse? Like, I think I heard a lot yesterday. Did you not hear the same? I think we definitely heard a lot, but I guess, yeah, what do I say? It's about managing expectations.

It's like movies. Don't tell me this movie is the best movie ever because it's probably not going to live up to that. So if people were expecting him to come on and say, yep, this is exactly what I'm doing. This is my plan moving forward next year. Yeah, then you may be a little disappointed to hear about what he's doing in his personal life and any kinds he's doing. Never said it. Didn't even say his name. No.

Whenever, like, you know, the conversation happened. Oh, you didn't? No, not until the show started. Showtime. Oh, cool. Yeah, I mean, what do you mean? Who cares? Why does it matter?

Well, I don't care. You know, like, I love that take from Stephen A. I absolutely enjoyed it because a lot of people, you know, why do we talk to Aaron Rod rogers why do you talk about it it's the mvp of the fucking biggest league that we cover every single day the fact that we just so happen to get a chance to chat with him every week like this is a huge story a huge deal it feels like aj and they make this kenny clark move which by the way is breaking news this morning guin to goons who is currently talking in a press conference right now, we will try to keep up with his quotes for the Green Bay Packers.

They redid Kenny Clark's contract, adding voidable years at the end to save themselves $10 million off the cap that they're over already in like $40 million, $30 million or whatever. So they're making that play that all the other GMs that are winning are doing. They're doing the voidable years, signing bonus, kick the can down the road basically. It feels like the Packers are trying everything they can to keep him around. After talking to him yesterday, it feels like that seems like a very viable option.

And you've been that way since the beginning, by the way. You actually put like 200, no, it might have been 100,000. Yes. 100,000 on Super Bowl on the line for that thing. I don't know if I did or not, but I would imagine, like, we don't know what he's doing. Like, who knows if he knows what he is going to do. But if you're a Green Bay Packer fan and you want him back to the Packers, I would imagine what he said yesterday has you feeling a little bit better

because of the relationships that he has with those guys in the front office, the moves they're making. Did they officially hire Tom Clements? Yes. He actually talked about that yesterday. He's like, I love this guy. I absolutely love him. Yeah.

I think that's huge, too. He loves Tom and what he can do. And actually, when we were in L.A., I'm glad Tom is hired now. Sam, your wife, Foxy's girl, Reagan, right? Yep. Yep. And my wife went to, you know, they hiked. They did the whole L.A.

They hiked Upper Canyon for two and a half hours, did the whole thing. Yeah. They went to lunch somewhere. They walked into LeFleur and tom clements having a meeting i don't even know if you if you know that why that we were in la doing radio row and my wife's like tom what are you doing and then the floor and he she said the floor was so confused like it was uh yeah so she got to say hi laura knows tom though right yeah obviously knows who your wife obviously knows tom yeah she knows tom because tom's wife is one of the biggest interior designers on the planet

does like kardash Kardashian's houses and gigantic. So my wife's gone out and worked with her for weeks at a time. Oh, and also the football connection, I assume, with the whole thing. So we had inside my wife. I didn't even put it together. I didn't even put it together at the time. She's like, oh, yeah, I saw Tom. How?

Yeah. What if we would have broke that? What the hell? According to our sources, and we just opened up, Mrs. Hawk, Mrs. McAfee, and Reagan are telling us that LeFleur and Tom Clements are currently meeting right now in Los Angeles at a restaurant. That is massive because, you know, Aaron loves this man. That would be, that's awesome.

So that came together Super Bowl week. So it is with that happening and then the Kenny Clark signing and then the way Aaron was talking yesterday about the Packers and Matt LaFleur and his relationship. It just – I don't know. I mean, Colts love that. Hey, we got a team. Yeah.

We got a team. You know what I mean, AJ? We got a team down here. Are the Colts in the mix still? No, they're not. Yeah, what are you talking about? There's a billboard. There's a billboard. We want Rodgers. Yeah, so Colts in the mix? No, they're not. What are you talking about? There's a billboard. We want Rogers. So you're in the mix.

Who put it up? It wasn't me. It was Wade Law. I never heard of them, by the way, but they're about to be better lawyers than what Flores got. Listen, we got Lombardi joining us right now, but I am unusually perturbed about something that is happening on the internet right now.

Like, legitimately. Like, I don't think I should be this upset about it. But it's kind of, I think they're making, oh, wait, there's some breaking Tom Brady-ness. Wow. He's back. Zito just came in. In his first post-retirement move, Tom Brady will produce and star in a new road trip movie titled 80 for Brady. The film will also feature Lily Tomlin, Jane Fonda, Rita...

Zito. I mean, this... Who cares? Zito. Zito. I mean, who... Jane Fonda? 80 for Brady.

What is it about? I don't know. I'm pumped about it. I'm excited about Tom getting into a new world. It's the Gronk route. Okay, this guy's got crypto, obviously. Giselle, yeah. Giselle's doing jujitsu now, too.

That's freaky. Kicking people's ass, by the way, jiu-jitsu. And now he's acting in a movie. Why is he driving cross-country with Sally Field? Because he's making content, dude. Katie for Brady. Lucrative acting career. He's going to remade Wild Hogs.

He's going to crush them. We have Lombardi, I think, right? Yeah. Yeah. Damn, Brady's going to crush it. He's going to crush it. We have Lombardi, I think, right? Yeah. Damn, Brady's going to kill me. Anyways, back to the thing. Flores' lawyers that are representing him in this whole thing, they need to just... Wait, were they on camera again?

I know we're getting too off to a halt. Here's from Wigdor Law, okay, which I assume this person is either a lawyer or covers the law field. In response to the Dolphins calling Brian Flores' assertion of an NDA categorically false, below are screenshots from the draft agreement and payment termination notice. If Brian Flores had signed this,

he would have been gagged and unable to talk about his experience in the NFL. Okay, so Brian Flores came. He was at Real Sports. Yeah. came, he was at Real Sports. Yeah. I think he was on Real Sports. And he said that the Dolphins wanted him to have a sign in NDA. That's why he's not getting paid his money. And they had screenshots of it after the Dolphins came out and said, no, that's not the case at all.

We did not want him to sign an NDA to give him money. And then they posted the letter that the Miami Dolphins sent to Brian Flores, which says, we write to provide you notice that in accordance with paragraph 10 of the February 4th, 2019 employment agreement between you and the Miami club, the club is terminating payments of all non-accrued benefits and compensation described in paragraph three of the agreement effective immediately based on your failure to execute the club separation and release agreement you are not entitled to receive continuing payments under the agreement so additionally

so they were basically sending additionally pursuant to paragraph 16 of the agreement you must promptly return any and all work product as described in the agreement and are required to observe all confidentiality obligations set forth in paragraph 14 of the agreement, as well as any other applicable provisions. We have attached a copy of your agreement to this notice to ensure that you are aware of your responsibilities under it. Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions or would like to discuss sincerely, Brandon Shore, Senior Vice President, Football and Business Administration. So the Dolphins basically just sent him a letter saying, hey, you signed this deal February 4th, 2019.

In this deal, which I think is pretty standard amongst NFL contracts, with coaches, players, and by the way, not just in the NFL, any contract that you sign that is worth anything, a part of that contract is, hey, if this ends, you cannot bury us. And if you do bury us, this is potential fallout from this entire thing. It's like almost in every single contract. I think in the NFL players definitely have it. Coaches, I'd assume have it after this one in any, I don't know if it's right. I don't think it's right. Hey, listen, I'm just telling you how fucking contracts work. Like in, in fairytale world, like truth always comes out. If people get fucked over, that whole thing

happens. But in like the real world, there's contracts and stuff that save people's asses. And billionaires have lawyers that go through the contracts to keep the money in their pockets that they think they are owed and to save themselves from situations. They screenshot these paragraphs in this Twitter account. And basically they say, if this ends, you will have, yeah, here it is, non-disparagement. Employee agrees to not make any disparaging or untruthful remarks regarding MDL, which is the Miami Club, or any other releases, which could reasonably be interpreted to be of a negative or critical nature, including but not limited to statements or missions regarding Miami's business practices, professionalism, events in the workplace, and or employee separation from employment. Specifically, employees should not engage in any type of communication, electronic, written, or verbal,

with third parties that directly or indirectly disparage, injure, whatever. So this, basically, the Miami Club was sending this letter to Brian Flores to let him know, hey, you signed a deal already that said you wouldn't do anything. And since you broke all of these things, we're not going to give you money. But the lawyers for Brian Flores are like, oh, look, they sent this. This is what they were. It was like, no, you fucking idiots. Like, that can't, you know what I mean?

Like, this made me very mad because Flores could potentially change something very good for the NFL. This is an obvious problem. Okay. The coaching process to become a head coach in the NFL as a whole big problem could become some, these lawyers doing these interviews and then making dumb comments like this. Like I just, I think it's not good. Like these motherfuckers just need to kind of slide aside because this is just natural contracts. And although in the court of public opinion, you might be able to shape it as a vote, but if this was actually to go to court or to anybody that knows anything about contracts,

you're fucked. So it's like, I just think that it's all, you know what I mean? I'm getting, I was unusually perturbed about this whenever I was reading it because it's like, how come nobody's even reading this? Unless the Dolphins are just lying and they just added that as clauses in a contract

that he didn't actually sign, he would probably have a written copy of that as well a hard copy but it's unbelievable it's just a very interesting situation very very interesting to me what were you thinking when they're talking nda and the dolphins trying to get into assignment that they were they brought it to him like this last month right yes that's the way they're pitching it right is that this nda was brought not your not the original contract you signed like that always has provisions in there like you just read. Yeah, exactly. I just feel like, I don't know, joining us now is a man who probably knows a lot more about this than any of us,

and it's actually a perfect transition almost. Former general manager in the NFL, a man who's been a coaching advisor, coaching counsel, general manager, obviously, a scout, an assistant coach. He's an author, a speaker, podcast host, a guy who never stops stopping. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. Thank you, guys. I had the same reaction. I think this is a little bit of a misplaced of the chain of evidence.

When Brian signed that original contract in February 19th after the Super Bowl victory against the Los Angeles Rams. He signed a standard NFL coaching contract that had these NDA clauses attached to him. And that contract was signed by Brian or else he wouldn't have gotten paid. And it was also signed by Commissioner Goodell, like most NFL contracts of employees are signed by, of the coaching. Goodell, like most NFL contracts of employees are signed by of the coaching. And so that then is being portrayed as the Dolphins put a contract, an NDA in front of him the day they fired him and said, you be a good boy or else you're if you're not, we're not going to pay you. And the chain of events and the chain of custody of the evidence is completely misdated and his lawyers are making it seem like this is wrong and look you can argue all you want and i'm for brian i agree with you on we have to do better

on minority hiring and we have to we have to put that in perspective and handle it that cause is important but this chain of evidence is completely wrong. And it's skewed towards towards the towards the lawyers when they're trying to take sympathy with people that don't understand actually what goes on behind the scenes in the NFL. Yes. By the way, I feel like I'm happy to hear that from you, because that was my as soon as I read it this morning, I was like, especially after seeing them on get up. And then they were doing interviews all by themselves. And then they're on. I'm like, especially after seeing them on get up and then they were doing interviews all by themselves. And then they're on real, I'm like, all right. Like I, by the way, I thought Brian Flores was like, this is good. This could promote real change. This guy is, has pedigree. He has respect from people. He is, you know, taking like he's doing this, but this just makes it look bad. I think it distracts from the actual thing whenever you do this. Cause it looks amateur.

It just looks very amateur, but let's, let's move on. It tries to make it look bad i think it distracts from the actual thing whenever you do this because it looks amateur it just looks very amateur but let's let's move on it tries to make it look like they wanted him to sign something because he knew something that happened during his tenure as a coach so it made it look like they were trying to get him to sign that when in reality this was what he signed originally and that lawyer said so when he stops paying him when they stop paying him because of violation of the nda that's in his coaching contract they have to send him a letter to inform him of what they're doing yeah and then the lawyers flores lawyers like oh we fucking got him and it's like no it's actually the complete opposite you're actually giving evidence away for the dolphins standpoint on why they are actually not paying

it's just a very you know i hope change is enacted through this entire thing but it feels like there is going to be a lot of bullshit distractions like there is in everything let's get to football chat with your big brain lombardi um whenever you think about the franchise tag in a free agency period and now you're seeing the packers do the uh with kenny clark with voidable years and getting below the salary cap gymnastics. Do you think this is an entire turn of the way teams are going to be run? Do you think that old school way of the salary cap meaning something is going to continue?

Or do you think most teams now are going to live with the motto that none of it means anything these days because you can just kick the can down the road? Well, I think the way the revenue streams are coming in, I just read in Sports Business Journal that the red zone can down the road? Well, I think the way the revenue streams are coming in, I mean, you know, I just read in Sports Business Journal that the red zone is up for bid and they're going to make an enormous amount of money. And that's good for the players. It's good for the coaches. So and it's good for the cap. And these numbers are going to increase every single day,

which means you can keep kicking the can down the road to a degree. I think what the Rams did this year is important because during the 70s, when George Allen was the head coach of the Washington football team, he coined the phrase, the future is now, and he traded away a bunch of draft picks. And then a lot of teams, the Houston Oilers started trading away draft picks for veteran players. And there was no cap. You could get away with it then. And the Rams have been able to escape that and get away with it because they've kicked it down the road so I could see that I think the Packers are of a mindset look we got to go all in we got to go all we got a great great quarterback who's won MVP two years

in a row like if we owe it to him to go all in and so the Kenny Clark deal I think they'll tag Devontae Adams deal they're trying to do everything in their power to set up their franchise to go all in because what good is if you don't go all in? There's moments as a general manager you have to recognize this is the time I've got to make it. And if you don't, you won't get that time again. The Saints did it. They're paying a price today. The Steelers did it for a while.

They're paying a price last year, not so much this year. Lombardi, what about Jordan Love no one talks about him too much right now like what do you think the Packers views are on Jordan Love and what's the plan of course they're all going to try to re-sign Aaron I'm sure Jordan understands that but do you think they have a plan for Jordan Love moving forward I think they have to they recognize where you've got to believe that everybody in the organization knows where Jordan Love is the player and what they can expect and so I think they know that they want they don't want to be attached to the team that got rid of Aaron Rodgers when he was still his MVP player I mean so I think

they've got to go all in and Love can wait I mean they got three more years of Love they can get they can pick up his fifth year option so they have three more years there's no rush there's no real sense of urgency to do anything with love other than just sit there and let him try to get better and improve and I think part of this is more about Rodgers being where he is in his career and how great he is as a player and this is our moment this is our moment to really do what the Rams did and we can't fall short okay So let's talk about another young quarterback in Trey Lance. Whenever you think about Shanahan and Lynch, and obviously Jimmy G is on the trade

block, right? It's come out. He's basically said goodbye to 49ers. It's all positive. They're saying that they're going to find a trade partner for Jimmy and move on. It's Trey Lance time. If he fails, they're fired. Is that what happens? Oh, that's a great question. Well, I mean, you know, knowing Kyle as good as he is at finding quarterbacks, I mean, you know, he can find another one that if Lance doesn't live up to the expectations, I'm sure Kyle will have somebody. It'll be interesting who he signs as the backup quarterback, you know, to Lance. I think that'll tell a lot.

And do they draft one this year just to make sure they have an economic value at backup? But I think they've got to go all in. They can't risk another year of Garoppolo on the team. If they bring Garoppolo back, the players gravitate towards Garoppolo. You could say whatever you want. I mean, and Garoppolo has his moments where he looks really good and he looks really bad. But I think the team believes in Garoppolo, so they have to remove him from the team so they can give Lance his fair chance to compete for a starting job,

which I think they have to do. Yeah, because the locker room needs to know. And Jimmy G seems like a guy that everybody loves. I mean, Sherman came out and talked about him. Basically, every teammate's come out and said, there's a reason we all go to bat for him. We love this guy. That's why he'd be a great Colt. He'd be a great Indianapolis Colt.

He's the opposite of what Wentz kind of is. He's certainly the opposite of what we're seeing behavior out of Kyler Murray. Like, his teammates truly love him. Now, he's not as good a player as some of these guys, but when I was there in 14, when he came in, everybody was worried about who would be able to be in a room with Tom Brady and still learn how to compete.

I mean, it's a challenging thing. Now, this is, you know, Tom Brady was 36 years old at that time, so he still had, you know, all these Super Bowl titles in his resume. And Garoppolo never blinked. And he would sit around the table in the meal room. As you know, you could really get a read on your football team from who you watch with who they eat with. And he was endeared himself to every offensive lineman.

The team loved him him and that has carried over and i think that's an important quality a quarterback has to have i think it's one of the things missing in carla murray the meal room is always awesome to kind of just see where you're going to sit at the rookies whenever they're deciding i don't want to say it's like uh like a scene from like prison but it is it almost is like you know and rookies sometimes will like sit together alone like off by the side, and then as the season rolls on, kind of get comfortable and move it in.

It's a fascinating place. That is a very sacred place, I think, in all locker rooms. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Michael, why do you think Bill Belichick hasn't reached out to J.C. Jackson? What pro day at the Division III or II school is he currently at? And do you see them franchise tagging him and then getting the deal done later on? Well, I think you're assuming they haven't. I mean, look, I'm sure at this point everybody knows what J.C. Jackson wants.

So if you're an executive in the league, you kind of have an idea. If you're the Green Bay Packers, you know what Devontae Adams is asking for, right? You know what J.C. Jackson, if you're the green bay packers you know what davante adams is asking for right you know what jc jackson if you're the patriots is asking for you're not going to meet that price because you sit there and say look i'll just franchise them for a year and we'll go from there like that's it that's where you get to what's the point of engaging when all you're going to do is you're you can't even you can't even come to an agreement that you're in agreement that you want to have a conversation. So it's like you're wasting your time. I'll just franchise him and move on.

That's my approach. I think that's what's happening up in New England. I think that's what's happening with Devontae Adams. I mean, they know he wants to make over $20 million a year. What's their answer to that? Well, that's probably $6 million more, $4 million more than the next receiver. You know, we'll just franchise you. We'll go on. Yeah, but, but, but, Lambeau, with the voided year contract thing,

a 15, what is it, 17? What is the tag for wide receiver? 16? I think it's more than that. Wide receiver is higher. I think it's 19. So, like, instead of getting that mandatory on the books for next year, wouldn't it be smarter for Devontae to get one of those four-year kick the can down the road almost deals don't you think I think so and I think

ultimately that will probably go to his agent and say look we're going to franchise you here's the deal we would give you in lieu of that and try to get some sense of it bringing it back to a number and that's I'm sure that's what the but there's no sense in doing it trying to do a deal now when the league you're so far away because nobody nobody's going to say, OK, let's do that. They think they're going to get more money. And everybody is saying on that conversation, look, my market is, you know, nobody's supposed to tamper. But we all know that's not true. But my market is going to be somewhere here. Right. You know, my market's going to be somewhere. I'm hearing I'm going to get this. I'm hearing nobody's going to ever. They all have plausible deniability.

But you're negotiating against a ghost. So what's the sense of negotiating? Mr. Kim, I love that one. That's one of my, I'm going to go run it by the board. You know what I mean? I'll go run it by the board. I'll come back. There's no board.

I am the board, but I'll blame the board. Blame the ghost is definitely a move. It's $18 million for the franchise tag, by the way. So $18 million is the franchise tag by the way so 18 million is franchise tag for wide receivers go ahead aj and mike i i'm around a lot of browns fans here in ohio and especially this past week i was around a lot and they all asked me like what are the browns going to be what are they doing and they all had different opinions on what baker mayfield is and how the browns may feel about them like what do you think the browns are feeling right now with their team like their whole roster and like what's Baker going to do and who else may be there in that quarterback room?

You know, if I was at the Browns, I would say, look, you know, we know who Baker is. We got to run the right screen. We got to run the right system for him. We know his limitations. He was hurt last year, had a better year two years ago. But unless we can replace him, why are we getting rid of him? Like who's better than him that we're going to get right now? It's hard. I mean, Kevin Colbert was sitting the same thing about Mason Rudolph, you know, and he's only played in six games. He's like,

until we get somebody better. And I don't know how I'm going to get somebody better. He's the guy. And so that to me would be the approach I would take with making field. I wouldn't extend them. The worst thing they could do is, is extend them on hope and circumstances as opposed to knowing. I would just let pick up the fifth year.

You play it out. Let's move forward. We'll keep making the team better around you. And when we get to next year, we get to next year and see where you are. But I would also think about drafting a quarterback. I think the Raiders and the Browns last year in the draft should have drafted a quarterback, partly because they knew this problem was coming up. You know, what are they going to do with Derek Carr?

I think what they should do with Derek Carr is extend him. Whatever it is, extend him out. So, yeah, so Josh McDaniels has two years to work with Carr to find out what he really has in him to see if he wants to go forward. I think that's the same thing they should do with Mayfield. Jarvis Landry basically, you know, saying, get me out of here. Does that mean anything to you, you think? He doesn't have any guaranteed money. So, you know, naturally, this is the time where this is the season of complaints.

I mean, you know, if you have a complaint department, you're very busy this time of the year. The phone's ringing. You know, everybody's complaining. I mean, Kyler Murray's complaining. Everybody's complaining. I have no guaranteed money. Well, what happened to all the guaranteed money we gave you from the three years before?

That doesn't count. Well, I'll have it in this year. Okay. with all the guaranteed money we gave you from the three years before. That doesn't count. Well, I'll have it in this year. Okay. So you as a general manager, you just got to just block out the noise and say, okay, here's where it is, and be honest with the player.

Like, you can't lie to the guy. You can't say, oh, Jarvis, I'm going to come do your deal and then not do it. You got to be dead honest. And even if the conversation's a little uncomfortable, you got to make it. You got to say, look, Jarvis, you're in the last year. We'll see where this goes next year. Jarvis, how's the family?

What are you saying? What are you saying? I mean, this isn't a lemonade stand. We're not just giving out everything to everybody here. Listen, don't be – hey, if you're at a lemonade stand where they're handing stuff out, you should at least tip. Yeah, exactly. Go ahead, Ty.

Michael, I don't know if anyone gives a shit because they stink, but what are the Texans going to do? There's reports coming out now that they're going to get rid of Tunsil and Brandon Cooks. And then the Deshaun Watson stuff is getting pushed back a month. Like what, what are the Texans actually going to do going forward? That's a great question.

I mean, you know, obviously they try to reduce their cap. Tunsil has been a major disappointment for all they gave up for him. And then what they paid him, he hasn't played anywhere're trying to reduce their cap. Tunsell's been a major disappointment for all they gave up for him and then what they paid him. He hasn't played anywhere near what they hoped he would. And Cooks has been a guy that has been a good player. You know, they had a lot of offers at the deadline to see if they could trade him

if they want to hang on to him. But I think one thing by hiring Lovey, at least they know who they're going to be on defense. They're going to play Lovey style of defense, one-gap scheme, get up the field, play Tampa, play three, play a lot of zones. So they can going to be on defense. They're going to play lovey style of defense, one gap scheme, get up the field, play Tampa, play three, play a lot of zones, so they can build a defense around that. Offensively, I think what they've got to analyze is

where are they going with Mills, what kind of team do they want to have around Mills, and not get caught up in hey, let's have a two-year plan, not have a one-year plan. For me, it's been hard to see a plan down in Houston, because they signed a bunch of guys last off season. Then they got rid of a bunch of those guys they signed. So it kind of was start, stop. I think that they needed to figure out two years.

Here's what we're going to do for the next two years. Hey, this is already too much Texans talk, but let's, let's do a little bit more here. You know, Casario from, uh, sure. Oh yeah. Hey, he's, he's, he's listen, if it works, it works. He's on the headset and he's coaching and everything. Did you know that? Did you expect that? Of course I did, yeah. How do you feel about that?

No, I didn't expect it. I hate it. I despise it. I think it's completely wrong. I think there is a place for the general manager to stay in. I think you should never go into the locker room as a GM. That's the player's domain. That's where they work. That's where they live. That's where they talk.

That's where they make fun of you and you understand it. The same thing with respect to a coach. You don't want to be in the press. Unless the coach wants you there. Nick on Sundays during the Patriot games, he would be in the box because he was helping Josh McDaniels with personnel groupings and coverages and all those things.

But once he became a general manager, once he assumed a different role in leadership, he can't do that anymore. I mean, he can't. Or else make yourself the head coach. Like, then you become the head coach. Yeah, that's like Bill, right? Bill's the only guy that's ever been able to do it, though. He's the only one. Bill's the only guy that's ever been able to do it, though.

He's the only one. And so, to me, you've got to be able to remove yourself from there because you're in charge of the program at 30,000 feet, not on game day. And I think that's really ultimately what he should do. I really have a hard time understanding when you cross back over into that area. Go ahead, Tom Diggs. Lomba, you talked about Colbert with the Steelers and the Browns complimenting the quarterbacks that they have now. Is there any of the free agent quarterbacks with flaws out there,

like Jameis, Wentz will be out there, Jimmy G, Mitch, maybe your boy Mitch? Do you see any fits between those guys with an organization that's looking to upgrade their quarterback? I could see Jimmy G being interesting to them because I think one thing you've got to remember about the Steelers is the organization. A lot of Italians in Pittsburgh. A lot of Irish.

A lot of Irish. And they want to get back. I think, you know, when Bruce Arians got fired years ago, he was fired because he didn't run the ball enough based on what the Steeler front office really wanted. I mean, Mike Tomlin told him, hey, you're not going anywhere. And then two weeks later they had a discussion and and the Steelers wanted to get back to what they believe is the essence of who they are as a football team I think you're going to see that this year I think you're going to see them get back to being a run team not as much in terms of always in shotgun more play action

and I think Garoppolo fits that description I think that's what they're going to look for somebody that can run their style of offense that they want to get back to, which doesn't mean they're not going to throw the ball. It just means that they're not going to always be in shotgun and get rid of the ball in 1.6 seconds as Ben did in the last couple years. Jimmy G could do that in Indianapolis too. That'd be sweet.

That'd be sweet if he did that in Indianapolis too with old Jonathan Taylor. Najee Harris is a guy. Last question from us because I know you're very busy and we appreciate your time, Lombo, every time we get to chat with you. There's some quotes coming out of Gunta Gunz's press conference, and I think one that I got to see on a tweet from Ari Mirov was fascinating to me.

Basically, he said, the hiring, yeah, GM Brian Gunta Gunz says, bringing Tom Clemens back as the QB's coach is an example of how the team is working with Aaron Rodgers on decisions. That's via Ari Mirov of Pro Football Focus at MySportsUpdate. Now, we are hearing from our sources that LeFleur and Tom Clements met in a cafe in Los Angeles during Super Bowl week. Our wives actually saw them meeting. Mrs. Hawk knows him, saw it happen. So we might have had an inside scoop on this and didn't tell

anybody. But him coming back, getting hired, is them working with Aaron Rodgers. Do you see that being like an olive branch? How hard do you think it is to let the ego and pride aside and change your ways as an organization? I sent an article to you, and I think it's really relevant in this conversation. Roger Martin used to be the head of business at the University of Toronto School. He was the dean, and he wrote a really good column using Aaron Rodgers as the forefront of the column, basically saying really talented people, they want to be included. They want to feel inclusion. They want to be asked questions. They want to feel like they're part of it. Their compensation package isn't as important as feeling like they're included.

I think Brady was the same exact way. And so I think finally it's hit the Packers that inclusion is important to what Aaron Rodgers wants. And you could say, well, Rodgers is just a player. He should just play. Well, no, he's the MVP two years in a row. And we better include him in some of the things we want to do. Because if he's not going to buy into this, then it's only going to be hard. It's like me saying I want to draft player Y and the head coach hates player Y. Well, you know,

the head coach is never going to play player Y and it's got, you got to work together. And I think part of that is what Martin wrote in the, in the Harvard business review article is basically you have to understand that and change how you deal with talented people during this time period in football and in business. You love that type of shit, huh? That's like your type of that type of psychology. Really, really important. I think it's really important because, you know, the problem is, is we see the game through our eyes. I grew up in football in the 80s and the 70s.

That's a completely different game today. And the players you're dealing with are completely different. And so you better adapt to the players. You know, you better adapt to you've got this guy who got a huge bonus. You better figure out how to how to resonate with them, because the way your old methods are no longer the new methods. And I think this is perfect. Rodgers is the perfect example of this. Well, I hope it all works out. We still don't know what he's going to do, much to the chagrin of everybody that was watching yesterday, I guess. But I think we learned a lot from our conversation with him yesterday, just

like we learn a lot from you every time we chat with you. Thank you so much, Paisan. We appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. Thank you so much. Hey, you look good, by the way. Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Lombardi. AJ. What's up? Harvard Business Review Journal,

dude. You ever read it? Is that what he sent you? Huh? He sent you that article from there? Yeah, and I knew it existed. Yeah. And you definitely read that article. I seen it.

You read the Harvard Business Journal. Yeah, that's what we talk about. Once you see how bright the photos were and the headline, it was like, George was really good. It makes sense, though. What he said makes sense. Yeah, it was an entire study. And when I said you love that type of shit to Lombardi, there's that section of people who love the psychology of, like,

why things are everything. And I dabble in that as well. I enjoy learning about why people are the way they are. But I like the fact that very intelligent people are spending actual hours and time trying to study the new model of human that is happening in the world that we're in that is much different than it used to be like i enjoy hearing that and learning that but there's a lot of old school folks that are you know i don't think hey fuck i don't care you know there's a lot of that yeah there's a lot of that that happens so the fact

that gunter kunz and mark murphy and them like i think being able to and but we don't know what's going on by the scenes the tom cleire, obviously, is taking place and everything like that. And Kenny's redone and there's voidable years. And they brought in Randall Cobb last year. That's not an easy thing to put your pride away in, you know, especially when there's no ownership and you are the – hey, we are the program. You know, you can have that mindset. That takes a lot as well, I think.

And that should be mentioned and chatted about. I agree. I think it definitely takes a lot for them to do do these these little things i mean not even little things just to include them and yeah you're bringing in tom clements you know your quarterback loves that guy and he plays well when he is there but you're right like you do have to kind of set your ego aside too and say all right we're doing this like if our quarterback didn't want him would we have gone out and gotten this guy maybe i don't know he was out. He's been hanging out. He's been enjoying his life the last couple years. He doesn't have to coach.

He's coming back because he wants to. Tom Clemens, Smoking Dope. I don't think so, but I don't know. I don't keep a camera on PK. Oh, Clemens, do you do PK? Do you punch a karma? He's a CFL legend and Notre Dame legend, too. He probably does do PK.

Was he one of the four Buddhists at the dinner? Oh, I don't know. CFL legend and Notre Dame legend, too. He probably does do P.K. Was he one of the four Budai? Buddhists? Buddhists at the dinner? Oh, I don't know. Notre Dame. Did you know about said Buddhist dinner? I did not know about said Buddhist dinner that he left five guys waiting at his gate for.

Were you pissed you weren't invited? That was awesome. That was awesome. I was okay. I don't know if I would have had a lot to say at that dinner. A lot of listening. A lot of listening. A lot of listening. A lot of listening to Buddhist dinners.

What were you saying about Notre Dame, dude? Okay, not everybody's Catholic. I mean, back then, depending on how old this lad is, I doubt he's Buddhist. I assume there's some Catholics that have evolved. Absolutely. Not evolved. I'm not mentioning it as a good move, but I'm sure there has been some Catholics that have maybe thought at one point,

this feels like bullshit, and then try something else. There's a chance that that has happened. I'm not saying that this, you know, Buddhist Notre Dame quarterback legend, Clements guy did that, but I'm just saying maybe he was a Buddhist. Also a Catholic high school.

He's Catholic. Okay. That guy doesn't stand up to yield that. To your point. He was not at the Buddhist. No, no, no. Also Catholic high school. He's Catholic. I thought that was a stand-up. To your point. He was not at the Buddhist. I believe Ram Dass was flipping as well. You were right.

Ram Dass. I read that. Ram Dass was a part of our book club. Oh, yeah. The next time he comes on, he's going to tell us how he broke his toe. That was a promise he made. We assume sooner than later he's going to make his decision. So if he comes on,

maybe it'll be either after his decision's already made or he makes his decision, which would be very cool. And also, we got to decide where all the money's going for the reader advocacy group

for all the t-shirt sales. So there's a lot to still check off, you know what I mean? Yeah. So when everybody says that we learned nothing yesterday, maybe they're right because there's a lot of shit we still have to figure out yeah

that's something we just remembered actually some list aj lovely you're back dude what what happened why weren't you here yesterday uh well we were supposed to get back in the morning uh you know cruises things happen the ship had to make a had to make a quick jaunt to the turks and cacos to drop somebody off. That was, that was ill. So then they flew them back to like Miami area, I guess. So that, that delayed the ship getting back by like six,

eight hours. Jesus. So I get in last night instead of yesterday morning. Okay. So ship's supposed to go back to dock, need to get person back quicker than what boat can get there because the evolution of travel, if you do recall,

it used to boat everywhere you know across see you wanted to go europe that okay you're signing up for a seven eight month affair okay you're going out there but now so they stopped they took a little bit of a detour to get said person on plane to get back quicker yeah i guess so we didn't a lot of people didn't even know at the time until they started making the announcement like that hey we're going to be delayed getting back. But yeah, instead of the last stop going straight back to Florida and driving for the boat for

a day and a half, whatever it is, yeah, they just stop and drop him and do all that. And then he's back and doing all right, I guess. Okay. Here we go. Good decision by the Colt Cruz. Good decision. General Bob was just a little too hungover and he had to get back. Yeah, did he need IV? Bro, he, you and he, okay, and I was watching a little too hungover, and he had to get back. Yeah, did he need IV? Bro, you and he, okay?

And I was watching a little bit throughout the week on Instagram, the Hawk family, the Carpenter family. I feel like this is maybe the only thing I've ever heard of that is where you are trapped amongst boosters of a cult, and you are the zoo animals walking around where everybody loves. It seems like you guys have a great time on this cruise ship every single year is that an accurate depiction of the cult cruise you go on yeah this was the 15th year that they have done this so yeah it's crazy you guys love it every

single year that seems like a nightmare for you for everybody but instead it's not how's that happen no it's cool because people there like a lot of them have been on multiple cruises so they kind of know the deal and everyone just kind of hangs out zeke's there ze, like a lot of them have been on multiple cruises, so they kind of know the deal, and everyone just kind of hangs out. Zeke's there. Zeke, like they do this auction thing. Like we did it when you came to our event, and we auctioned you off as a horse, you know? Yeah.

Were you riding the horse race at the end? Yeah. Like Zeke's, I think Zeke sold his horse like that he would ride in the thing, sold for like $65,000, and Zeke just matched it on the spot. Like, okay, cool, here we go. Like that's how they raise a ton of money doing stuff like that. So it's a great time, you're saying, every single year. Yeah.

Look at this. It's like spring break for adults, and then we get to tag along. How many OHs? There's quite a few. Do you answer all of them, or do you leave them ducks on the pond like you do for me, and that's why Ohio State stinks all of a sudden? I answer a lot of them. A lot, but not all.

So you go, I-O with the claw, like, I-O-C, you know what I mean a lot of them. A lot, but not all. So you go, I-O with the claw, like out at sea, you know what I mean? I-O, shocker, dude. Exactly. I-O, bro, out here at sea. Yeah.

Look at those water slides, man. We rode all of them multiple times. All the way at the top there? Oh, yeah. It's a long walk. Damn. Speed sled? You and Carpenter race

and do push-ups up there? No, I mean, we covered a lot of ground riding those water slides. Was it great to be back around Bobby Carpenter in the wild, or is this, you know what I mean? Of course. It was awesome. Bobby's four kids were there as well, so our kids got to pal around.

Like, they would not have had – our kids wouldn't have had as good a time if Carpenters were not there. We were very thankful that they were there and they were able to hang out. Thank you, Bobby. Thank you, J. Robobin, fam. Hockey's happening right now, right? Oh, yeah.

Bees are hot. No, they are not. Yeah, we are. They stink. We're winning without Marshan. Don't even talk. Red Wings are the worst team in the fucking league. We're coming for that playoff spot.

We're coming for the bees, actually. We're coming for the playoff spot. You're not. You know, how long has Iceman got to be there for you guys to continue to fucking suck? This is the year, all right? We built this year. Next year, Stanley Cup. Simple.

Not with the fucking healthy Jackie Aces in Vegas. I mean, it's basically picture rap. Your goalkeeping will kill you in the playoffs once again. Sorry, Ty. You guys are fucked. Jackie Aces or Stoner might actually put the pads on and go in between the pipes. I heard the Avalanche have a toxicity issue in the locker room. That's why they're going to stink. Really?

Yeah, that's what I heard. The Colorado Avalanche got nothing but toxic problems in the locker room coming from... What happened? A family member of you. Wow. That's what I heard. So they got no fucking shot. You might as well kill every other team in the league other than the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Put them on primetime every single evening. Saturday they're on ABC, fucking primetime. How you doing? Keep moving. The Avs have a problem because the Bruins just wiped the floor with them and the ice. That's because of their locker room. It was after we beat them when they started yelling at each other.

Anyway, Sidney Crosby scored his 500th goal against the Philadelphia Flyers, who are still an NHL team. It surprised me, too. Yeah, they are so bad. Well, it's an original six. You've got to honor those teams. No, you don't. Well, I saw your guy, though.

I don't know how I caught it, but I saw Pulisic score a goal. Hey, he's back. I just want to let everybody know I'm no longer on the Pulisic. He's the greatest player of all time, Trey. No longer on it. What do you mean? He's going to have to earn it a little bit more. He has. I agree. You didn't like the Gritty? Yeah, I agree. I love the you mean? He's going to have to earn it a little bit more. Yeah, I agree.

You didn't like the gritty? Yeah, I agree. I love the gritty. He looked clean. I mean, it was a great goal. Nasty goal. Bend that thing. Side panel.

Love what he's doing. But his performance for the U.S. men's national team in the negative 45-degree weather can't happen. Nope. Hey, listen, I like his scoring goals for Chelsea. Okay, it's good for soccer. It's good for Chelsea. It's good for everything.

But we need you scoring when you're representing the red, white, and blue. You do it for club and okay, it's good for soccer, it's good for Chelsea, it's good for everything, but we need you scoring when you're representing the red, white, and blue. You do it for club and country, my friend. No, fuck the club, do it for the country. He shows up on the biggest stage, not some Mickey Mouse qualification game. Mickey Mouse, that's the soccer Lombardi, pal, and we're going to win that thing.

He doesn't give a shit about the qualification. We need that fucking guy to play 90 minutes plus, too. He can't be coming in and fucking, hey, I had a great three-minute spurt. We don't care. Best player in the world. Fucking play 90 minutes plus. We're still a team ballistic. I mean, listen.

Oh, yeah. We're still team ballistic. But every time I say he's the greatest soccer player on earth, and then he goes out and does what he does, I have to fucking, you know, say, oh, I guess I don't know soccer. Did he struggle? Did he struggle? I don't know.

You're going to need him because McKinney got hurt really bad. Adam McKinney got hurt? Weston, you piece of shit. Are you shitting me? When are we fucking getting DeAndre Edlin back? Yeah. He's there.

Isn't he hurt? What I heard, the Columbus crew taking on Barthelona. Barthelona is coming to town? Bartholona. What? Stop. Bartha better get ready because that's going to be a dogfight. I'm happy the 2022 season of PMS Live has hit all of our talking points

in hockey and in soccer in just the first couple of days. I mean, good for us. Everybody thought we had it. Everybody thought we lost our hockey talk and our soccer talk. I don't think so at all. We were able to hit all of the bangers and run it back once again. Good for us. Everybody thought we lost it during Hawaii.

We got the Hamaconda on that hockey team. Wow. Look at us. Acting. Acting. We're in that world now, too. Baseball's dead forever. We predicted that Their comeback Where are they at right now?

We should call the jet in to take off Jet's been ground for quite some time Sounds like They had meetings and they said it was a step backwards The players in the MLB had a meeting And they should be Catchers and pitchers Are supposed to be reporting here pretty soon They're already supposeders and pitchers are supposed to be reporting here

pretty soon i mean obviously they're already supposed to report of course yeah they're already supposed to be there yeah we knew that and uh now they're just saying they're only going backwards in negotiations it's not good and mlb i mean none of us knew i was still alive none of us knew anybody that watched none of us really understood how it continued to go i guess the big markets kept it alive there for long in the local markets. John Hamm's the big baseball fan. Is he? He's a big hockey guy. St. Louis guy.

He was in that movie Million Dollar Arm about the Pirates getting the couple guys from India. Was he a scout? Yes. He was. He found them. You can just hear it. Hammer's got a good eye. I can ask him what works for Bob Nutting. Sports we should talk about, there's breaking news. Maybe we should have Marty McGee on because the Daytona 500 beat the NBA All-Star Game by 41%.

Whoa. How about it down here in Daytona? You know what I mean? Did they expect that? Well, I assume everybody thinks the fucking Super Bowl and NASCAR is going to do its thing. But the NBA All-Star Game is, you know, Steph Curry put up like 50 or something like that. LeBron was showing up with tequila. I mean, it was all of the stars of the NBA.

And these sports, you know, they do their All-Star Game in the middle of the season. And I honestly believe they do it to, like, tell people, hey, we exist. You know, like, here's all of our stars in one setting. You'll hear interviews you'll see spectacles there'll be a bunch of famous people here there'll be a lot of it'll be a social media takeover like hey remember football's over now it's time for the NBA hockey did it you know like hockey did their three-on-three tourney all the best players somehow Sydney I mean they just what happened I don't know but hockey hockey's like, hey, we exist.

That's kind of what I think the All-Star Games are when they're in the middle of the season. So I'm not sure the NBA, that has it done any ratings really ever at all because I think they're a social media league. I don't think they expected maybe to beat NASCAR, but 41% is a lot of eyeballs watching people turn left down there in the Super Bowl at NASCAR, AJ. Yeah, it really is.

When you say the NBA is more about like social media and clips and stuff, but how does that benefit the commissioner and all of the TV deals and stuff? Do they work that in? So I've, you know, we've thought shopped this, brainstormed this. They have to have, do you remember whenever we were, we were popping up like random sponsors in the middle of moments that we thought potentially were going to get clipped. Okay?

We were doing that. Because how do you benefit off a live show that is probably going to get clipped? I think the way to do it is by popping up ads in the middle of it. Now, granted, we don't have to do that type of shit anymore. Shout out to who just popped up. Shout out. You know what I mean? Like you kind of pick and choose. But I think they have to figure out how they can profit off of their clips because

they're a clip league i mean that's just how it is so as things are happening that are going to get clipped i think they should have somebody that is out there getting sponsors in that thing live so they can still boom boom because when people rip that and post that it's like 13 seconds after it happened so nobody like ripping it putting an ad on it rip that and post that it's like 13 seconds after it happened. So nobody like ripping it, putting an ad on it or doing something like that is going to take so much time in a moment. It's already passed. Somebody else already has it out there. So I think in real time, they have to figure out how to get ads or product placement in it. I personally, that's how I think business wise, they would have to do it with that being said, I don't know shit about fuck. I don't know how they profit off of being a socially

dominant, social media dominant league, which they definitely are. I keep up with the NBA via social media. I watch clips. I feel like I've seen James Harden do his thing this year. I've seen Kevin Durant do his thing. I haven't turned on a game once. So they're never going to get me as a... I think they just...

That's the kind of brainstorming I think they should be doing, but I don't think they really worry much at this point yeah probably not i mean it sounds like their commissioner at least seems to be pretty good the players seem to have a good relationship with him so i mean i don't know because i don't i don't know a lot of people that watch a ton of regular season basketball yeah i mean just the clips so how do you profit off they get ready for like the late round playoffs i feel like people are always just banking for that. Yeah, I don't know.

That's a whole – and then playoff basketball means something if somebody popular is in it. Yeah. And even then, the first round, it's not like a sport where, you know, the bottom seed is going to go on and on. Basketball is not a team game either. They don't mark it as a team game. Like I was walking through the locker room yesterday and said,

whoever, like it says the two teams and then it says they're two stars, like right in the main advertising for it, like the two stars bat on each other before almost they say which teams they play for. Now, I will say the NFL does the same thing. I mean, it was Matty Stafford first. Yeah, that's true. I mean, quarterbacks a lot of times are highlighted,

but basketball, you know, you can get one dude, whether you're in college or the NBA, and one dude in college can win you the national championship pretty much.'s very true let's talk about like the nba fan bases the lakers diehard fan base right oh yeah they like die they're bigger the lakers fan base bigger i think than rams and chargers fan base for sure la definitely more diehard more loyal more in there because the amount of success but how many other teams really have that? It's all superstar. Like I became a Heat fan for a little bit whenever LeBron went there. I became, you know what I mean, a Cav fan for a little bit.

That's kind of their league, superstar driven. That's why I think the Clips, they have to figure out how to. I was only thinking like Boston. Yeah, but even in like the Patriots, those cities, or at least Boston has like their own alley. Like for the NBA, there are a bunch of cities that only have NBA teams. Portland, Sacramento, Oklahoma City.

They strictly have NBA sports fans because that's really the only sport that they have. Yeah, pro sport. That's like West Virginia football. Exactly. There's no pro team in West Virginia. Alabama. West Virginia? We Exactly. There's no pro team in West Virginia. Alabama. Not near as good.

Their basketball team is not very good. West Virginia? We stink? What? Press Virginia? What? I think they're 1-9. What?

Oh, shit. They're not going to be in March Men's. They're not going dancing. They'll be in the NIT, though. All right. All right. All right. Enough, AJ.

Okay. Michigan won the NIT last year. Is that right? All right. Let's talk about it. It's Juan Hart. Smacks dude right in the mouth. How do you feel about it? I know you saw it on the cruise.

I assume you and Bobby Carpenter talked about that. Oh! Bobby Carpenter was like, sometimes you got to do that. Now, what was the entire conference? Like, that was interesting to me, you know, because it is the head coach, and it's the position, I think, is why it has become such a story. I think in the competitive bubble that exists, I've said this numerous times, people hit each other,

people fight each other, people say, like, in the state of competition, like, I think more things should be let go, and that's why I think I enjoy the state of competition because it's a mindset, it's a mentality, it's, you can have the, hey, I want to beat the hell out of you. It's allowed and promoted in there. When it's the coaches, I guess that is why.

I mean, it can't happen. It can't happen. But also, I mean, incredible face wash. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was a long reach through a couple people. Pow! Right on the side of the mouth of that guy.

I still don't know who the fuck he is. I guess it's an assistant coach. Assistant coach or whatever but i mean that wasn't that was a scene that was a scene out there i don't think i've seen anything like that in some time i don't think no especially how juwan like fought to get through people to get over there it almost made me like when you watch it in slow-mo was he gonna go at first to punch him and then maybe just to grab somebody and then he got there and just, like you said, face washed. His hand is gigantic, by the way. That reach he has.

Obviously, he played in the NBA for 20 years or something. But I don't know if he was – I wonder if that was his original target. I know the head coach originally he had issues with. But then why did he go after that guy and what made him not throw a punch in the slap? I don't know. I'm curious. I don't know. I think maybe the little lights all looked the same at that time.

You know what I mean? I didn't know who the fuck it was. Guard, I guess, is the head coach. Yeah, Greg Guard is the head coach. I'm glad. Aren't you? I thought they may fire him. Didn't you?

Like, I know a lot of people. I was right. I thought for sure he was fired. So he just got extended. They stink. Right. Yeah. So them suspending him the last five games of the season,

the rest of the season is the way it was ordered but it was five games i think it also gives them like another year too like michigan gives them a chance to be like well you know he didn't finish out the year didn't go but he's got like i think that is the whole thing but you're right i'm happy they didn't fire him either yeah but don't you think they still i mean he has a massive contract like and i assume they could fire him for cause because of that oh yeah oh you know so it's like hey that's one of those contract things if there's ever cause i would imagine they could put it in play up for that and this isn't figure it out this is the first time he's like hit somebody but like there's been a bunch of shit with other big 10 coaches that uh he's gotten

into since he's been at michigan i love so juwan does not give a fuck about any of those guys yeah players have to love it. Love it. Did you see them? That was the thing that I thought everybody would get pissed off about. Because when your coach does something, like for instance, our West Virginia team, a lot of people were meeting us at the 50 in warmups. Like a lot, like for what, because the way our team was, I think because of like our, there was a lot of those in warmups.

You know, there was a lot of that that happened. More so, I think than in other places. Always throw the helmet on. I'm going to have to get up in here because there is cameras somewhere, and if I'm not in here, I can't talk to anybody in this locker room ever again. Nothing ever came of it. There was always just some shit talk that took place. It was cool.

I enjoyed it, but I couldn't even imagine if Rich Rod would have walked up to the front of that thing and just dropped it. They would have been in full warmth. Fair game. Don't you feel like as a player, if you see your coach go after somebody, like, okay, cool, we're going, this is going to be a full-blown, like Braveheart-style brawl right here on the field.

That's exactly my thoughts. As soon as I saw it, I was like, oh, shit. Okay, so then there was one guy that started throwing, but not everybody. There was a lot of people that broke it up. I was almost, like, impressed by the professionalism. I was like, hey, way to go, because that seemed like a green light you know what I mean yeah it felt like that was almost like I could have turned super nasty real quick real quick yeah but you know the way it was handled that's in competition though I think there is it can't be judged as it's judged in real life you know like I just don't think it can because the

in the other shit that Juwan gets into like the state of mind that people have to get into and the competitive uh like stamina you have to have to get to those positions i just i feel like and that's not me giving an excuse for it but it is like hey there's a lot of fucking emotions whenever there's a lot of you know competition you're trying to beat somebody and in sports you actually see a scoreboard you actually see everything go on. Where in business, it's kind of talked about behind the scenes. And the uber competitive people that are up in the executive levels, they don't really get a chance to see their opponents on a day-to-day

and whatever. So I just think, like, there is a different view when you're in the competitive world. But if a coach smacks somebody, I was very surprised that it did not turn into a full fucking, here we go. Yeah. I can't wait till those two teams face off again we see what the handshake looks like looks like after the game might not

bro rich rod fucking going up there i like this rich is i mean the guy would he'd be on a stepper for like four hours in the morning i think just like so mad i don't know what he's mad about but his calves were huge you know and he was like super intense all the time. If he – I couldn't even imagine if he would have – I think him and Fridge, Ralph Fridgen at Maryland. Oh, yeah. I think they had a little something where – I believe there was like almost something after the game. And I do remember our entire team like, all right, are we going here?

Like this is pretty awesome because that is – I don't know, I'm surprised it didn't end up that way. It's basketball though. Football, basketball, a little bit different. You know what I mean? It's a little different mentality, I guess. Yeah, it's for both sides, though. Like, if your coach were to get hit, then it's the exact same thing.

Oh, yes. Okay, here we go. Your coach gets hit. Think of your coach. Like, Rich Rod got hit by their head coach. You're going to spear that head coach instantly and take out the whole staff. By the way, even if you didn't love Rich Rod. Even if you didn't love Rich Rod.

Rich Rod was not a player's coach. He was not a player's coach. But if he was not, hey, he wins games. He wins games, and I hope he does well at Jacksonville State. He's at Jacksonville State. He's getting a gig. By the way, he'll be back in the SEC before no time. Yeah, Rich Rod Rodriguez is going to be giving speeches about, you know, a lot of motherfuckers thought I was gone. he's getting a gig he by the way he'll be quiet back in the sec before no time rich

is going to be giving speeches about you know a lot of motherfuckers thought i was gone you know like that hole he'll be back but i if somebody was to hit him i think our entire team would have been like all right so i guess yeah that's why that is such a big time conversation piece because if it happens again it's probably going to end up much worse than this one particular did well then do you see what happened to the head coach at UConn last night? He got a technical foul, and then right after it or a few minutes later, he started pumping the crowd up, and they gave him another tech and kicked him out of the game. College basketball is awesome.

I did not know this was happening in college basketball. It was great. Just for one of these, and they booted him. The crowd got rolling, too. He got them rolling. It wasn't like LeFleur trying to pump up Lambeau. They got huge right away. I didn't hear Aaron say anything about the floor telling Lambo.

Yeah. Come on. Come on, guys. Make some noise, dude. All right? Come on, guys. Is that how he sounds? I think so.

In the moment, yeah. Like in his head, I think, you know. Come on, guys. Fucking go. Come on, guys. Make some noise. Start down, please. Come on.

Some money down, dude. Get him off the field. He's so cool looking, please. Come on. Some money down, dude. Get him off the field. He's so cool looking, man. He is. Not even with his perfect eyebrows. Oh, yeah. When it's cold, he wears that black Packers vest. Yeah, and then he's telling the crowd, you know, we're together.

Fucking get up. Come on. You don't have a job here. Takes all of us. We are assholes. Let's go to Owen in New Orleans. What's going on, Owen? Hey, boys.

How we doing? Good morning. Good start, Owen. Good start. Hey, I just want to talk about how Zion Williamson, he came out with the season ticket holders that were new for next year. They listed a bunch of names. Talking about Willie Green.

What? Talking about Big Boy Dallas Jr. What? Talking about B.I. Talking about new T.J. McCollum added to the team. The guy they didn't talk about, Zion Williamson. Is Zion out

of New Orleans? Not on the season ticket thing. Wow. That's not good. He's your superstar. He was actually painted on a wall whenever we went down. He wasn't even he hadn't even started a game yet. So there was these visions, I think, of the city, of Zion being the guy. But the Pelicans, I felt like they were very hesitant this entire time to make him, like, the guy.

Remember, it wasn't even announced last, whenever they were put on national television, strictly because he was playing. And that is where my entire relationship with them started and ended. But I guess behind the scenes, I don't like it, AJ. Zion's never going to play basketball. I mean, when he has played, he has looked very good, right? He just has only played a few games.

Does anybody ever talk to Zion and just, well, I guess not. Sounds like he's not talking to me. They say he's like aloof, like he's not really engaged or what? Detached. I don't know. Detached teammate is how J.J. Redick spoke about it. He's kind of doing his own thing. Yeah, J.J., by the way, that clip on first take yesterday of J.J.,

whenever he heard that Zion hadn't reached out to C.J. McCollum, who got traded to New Orleans, I think J.J., who, you know, Duke guy, former teammate of Zion Williamson's on there in New Orleans was so pissed that that like hey a guy comes to your fucking team you send him a text saying hey welcome to the squad like that's just human he said that's just like being a human so whenever JJ said that I think the entire world reacted

and now almost the narrative about the Zion situation I think is kind of it's kind of turning I think you know what I mean he's going to have to talk he's going to have to come out and talk I think if he wants to change that a little bit i think so and i never feel i hate like the media people are like who's first better answer for themselves you know i mean like being that but it does seem like now would be a good time for you know maybe a state of zion to give a uh either some sort of you know like hey or like a highlight

or just put out like a little like 60 second highlight film was you working out that's all you gotta do no not just working out maybe like highlights of back whenever he was 14 years old yeah in south carolina duncan on little white kids throwing down and then do like an entire highlight of like him retooling reshaping reworking out he can't wait for his return he'd be like okay this guy still wants to play basketball, likes basketball, because that's kind of what the narrative is now, that he doesn't even want to play really, and he doesn't want to be a part of the team.

Like, that's a bad narrative to have. Well, and like Sean said, I mean, you hear about, like, the family and, like, his inner circle. Like, we really don't hear much from him. So, like, is he even pulling the strings? He's probably got a lot of people in his ear right now telling him, like, hey, this is what you need to do, and he's still super young, so there's a chance that he's kind of just like, all right, well, yeah, whatever.

$180 million is a lot of money. I don't think they're going to give that to him. It's a lot of money. It's a lot of Doritos and Mountain Dew. Well, yeah, we're worried about him spending $130 on, you know, $130 on chacarones. Mountain Dew sponsorship? I'm more worried about him buying franchises.

Let's go through what Dune Takuntz has been talking about today. Speaking of money, I don't know if Zion's going to get $180 million, but Gunter Kuntz did talk at a press conference today about the future of the program. Gunter Kuntz on restructuring Kenny Clark to free up cap space. We touched Kenny's contract, and there will be much more that we touch along the way. This is via Matt Schneidman,

insider and reporter of the Green Bay Packers. Schneidman, you know, always follows along. Oh, yeah. He's always got the goods. Gunther Gunther, though, is basically saying, yeah, we're going to be restructuring a lot of people's contracts to get us under the cap. But with the voidable years thing they did with Kenny Clark, I think this is good news for the Green Bay Packers and fans of the Green Bay Packers, AJ.

I think it's great news, yeah. And if they do, let's say Aaron goes back there and they give him another contract, that'll free up some space this year, won't it? Yes, I think so. Was that your takeaway from the conversation yesterday? You've thought he was going to the Packers since the beginning of everything, even last year when he was jumping into waterfalls and

everything. You listened yesterday and you were like, yep, I still stand by that? Yeah, I watched it a little bit before I came on the show today. I watched the whole thing that you had with him yesterday. Yeah, I absolutely stand by what I've said the whole it a little bit before I came on the show today. I watched the whole thing that you had with him yesterday. Yeah, I absolutely stand by what I've said the whole time. He's going back to Green Bay. And with Gunther Kuhn's mentioning working with Rodgers and restructuring the contracts,

it feels like they're going to go ahead and make some moves. So maybe the relationship between Aaron and the front office, which he spoke well. Remember, Gunther Kuhn's the first guy he thanked after, shout out, after winning the MVP. Now they're making plays. They're going all in. We could look back on the offseason of Hawaii and Taylor Swift and the accumulation of information

on draft day that dropped, and that could be a real pivotal part of the entire Packers if they go and win a Super Bowl. Yeah, for sure. You alluded to it yesterday. I mean, last year at this time, I think a lot of Packers if they go and win a Super Bowl yeah for sure you alluded to it yesterday I mean last year at this time I think I I think a lot of Packers fans probably thought that things would end up getting worked out but it would be like a last dance you know like we saw with Jordan and Jerry Krause how these guys fucking hated each other and it was very apparent but today like that is clearly not the case and it kind of does seem that Goons Coons realizes like hey we do need

to involve Aaron more and he's kind of doing everything that he's asked him to do. How about Aaron describing the conversation he had with Goontacoons or whatever early in the season as being when he and Brett Favre shook hands in 2009 maybe? 2015, I think. 2015, whatever year it was. That was a big thing, right? Because wasn't that moment like very big?

Huge, huge, yeah. And comparing that situation to the Favre situation, feeling like you're on the outside, but maybe coming back around. I think a lot of things were said yesterday. If you just listen to the guy that came out of a fucking 12 day cleanser out the attic in the basement, which none of us I don't think will ever sign up for. But he's back to back MVP and we are not either. So, you know, he can do whatever the hell he wants. There are some other statements coming out from the press conference. Matt Schneidman is reporting that Brian Gutekz says he doesn't like using a franchise tag.

He wants to extend Devontae Adams. The situation is obviously still in flux. Is there a chance the Packers let Adams walk in free agency? Yeah, possibly. There's a lot of things to be determined there. Goontz is not going to give away any leverage right now. Obviously, that is something that he would be very dumb to do. But him saying he wants to work out a long-term contract,

a lot of people think that depends upon what happens with Aaron Rodgers. He's the best wide receiver in football in a lot of people's minds. He's up for some money. He's due for some money. And if you get him a long-term deal, you can kick the can down the road so he doesn't hit your salary cap as much, which is why I believe he would rather sign him to an extension

as opposed to a franchise tag, which is 18 million dollars next year and they do not have a lot of money right now at the current time in the salary cap aj yeah they don't and also going back to what we were talking about earlier so they they hire tom clements what if aaron doesn't go back to green bay and tom's like all right cool i was just hanging out in la for the last couple years enjoying my life i moved back to green bay and now you're not here like don't you think Tom would be upset? Yeah, I think – I would assume so.

Yeah, what if Tom just retired? You know what? I was kidding. Is that a sign? What if we see, hey, Tom Clements has resigned from the Packers? We see that like two days from now. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Sorry about it. I didn't put that out there, you son of a bitch. It feels like he's going back no matter what. We have more. Zito says from Master Diamond, this was the biggest takeaway to me. Rogers doesn't tell them to hire Clements and then throw deuces out.

You wouldn't think. Brian Gunzikunz asks about the Packers hiring Tom Clements. At QB Coach says, it's an example of how Aaron Rodgers has been involved in conversations about things that affect his job. So yes, Rodgers was a part

of the decision to hire Clements. I believe Ari Mirov hinted at that earlier. And Schneidman is following up with all of what you just basically said there. That would be quite an interesting situation. That would be quite an interesting situation to do, but there's 17 years of shit potentially.

Yeah. How many years? 17, yeah. This will be the 18th, I believe. It's crazy. Wait, what did Ty tell him? Ty, you say you're going to nosedive off the roof if he doesn't go back? Swan dive, potentially.

No pressure, though. Jason Lewis. Oh. He can't have that? Swan dive, potentially. No pressure, though. Chase Lewis. Oh. He can't have that on his conscience. Especially with where he's at. His mind space and love and light. He doesn't want that on his head. Ty killed himself.

There's a lot of this to Ty all year. Yeah. Ty wouldn't be the only one. Well, I think that's what Aaron knew whenever he heard that. How about him coming to the realization probably during during one of the, like, you know, one of those situations in the PK situation, where it's like, do you use the bathtub, I guess? Is that what they just had buckets around?

No, yeah, a garbage can down there. Hold it, and then you just know that, like, you're going to be butt-pissing, too, so you can't get too far forward, you know, because otherwise you're going to have quite the cleanup on your hands. Yeah, yeah, I understand. I've had food poisoning before, and, you know, I've had to experience. Oh, yeah, you know because otherwise you're gonna have quite the cleanup on your hands yeah i understand i've had food poisoning before and uh you know i've had to experience oh yeah you know

yeah i've had to do it once or twice but i just uh uh shower you know you go in and shower when you have to it's it's mostly been in like hotels when i'm away sure uh but to sign up for that i assume they have an entire kit and caboodle oh yeah definitely i assume there's a poop and puke room probably and there's probably just a poop. So many bidets. So many bidets. So many bidets. Yeah, because you're going to get some rubbage if you're using toilet paper. Well, you can't be wiping.

Your butthole will be so chapped that you have to be using a bidet to clean yourself up. And I would assume at the level in which he's doing the PK, he, at this point, he probably just has random bidets shooting out of the house. That's why he might have got the house in California. Yeah, natural water source. Yeah, you know how there's fountains in front of that casino in Vegas? The Bellagio, yep. That's actually what the living room's like in the PK house. Yeah.

So you just kind of do your thing, and then you just pop up one of the fountains. You have to wash your mouth out as well. Yeah, exactly. Right, Listerine everywhere. Yeah, yes. So the floor is actually a bidet. Yeah, exactly. Right, Listerine everywhere. Yeah, yes. So the floor is actually a bidet. Yeah, kind of like a bathhouse probably. Boom.

It's pretty gross. And you can just lay in the fetal position. If that's the case. It's pretty cool though also. It's your friend, dude. Yeah, it's what's going on, dude. We had to break it to you. That's just what the end.

I told you I've never done the old PK. So maybe, I don't know, maybe someday. I'd never say never. At what day do you think, which fountain stop do you think it, like, because he said there was a moment of realization of the ricochet shots that people in his life took, you know, this year because of everything. That was probably a pretty big moment in that entire PK thing. It seemed like when he was talking about it, he was like, man,

I didn't even realize, like realize everything everybody had to go through. I don't know when it happened, but I assume that was a pretty real feeling from Aaron in the entire PK process. Yeah, it seems like he's definitely thinking things through, every angle possible. I guess he's got time right now, the season's over, to kind of digest it and see. He mentioned multiple times with you, like, man, what a year. Didn't he say that? Like, so much happened over these last, what, eight, ten months? It's crazy.

Yeah, and he's hoping for a quieter year in the future, which would make a lot of sense. Hopefully. But also, and I said this to him yesterday, he did apologize to us, which was very nice. Yeah, I did. Because I did go to a few wars, you know. Yeah, in the foxhole all season.

In different countries, you know what I i was i was in different different countries he did apologize which is very nice uh of him obviously we appreciate that but him coming out in incredible gratitude and being saying oh it's cryptic message and like everything he does people basically are going to bury him for and i i like the fact that he's almost at the point of like, yeah, that's just what my life is now. Like that is just what it is. I don't think he ever wanted to be the person that he ended up having, not having to be,

but being this year about the vaccination, non-vaccination thing. But then when he got in there, I think he said yesterday that he wanted to fight for what he, how he felt. And it kind of got all wrapped up in that. It was a wild year and he still won the felt. And it kind of got all wrapped up in that. It was a wild year. And he still won the MVP.

And that is something. And he talked about compartmentalizing and how at home being awesome helped him at work while everything else seemed to be going to absolute hell, it seemed like. Because I was in those. He was. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was loud for a long time.

But everybody's saying, well, he's a drama queen. He wanted that. I was still standing by the fact that I don't think he wanted to that's why the immunized thing even happened because he didn't want to have to fucking become the face of that but some people are just never going to believe that i don't think with him no they won't and and whatever that's fine everyone can have their opinion but yeah i'm with you i don't think he wanted to be the face of this and face the nfl for whatever's going on with COVID and what his whole plan was and everything he did, but he realized

hey, I'm in the middle of it, so he's going to fight. And then he does PK cleanse. Hits a couple of those fountains. 12 days. Next year will be quieter just because of what the NBA is doing and what Sean's told us earlier. What? What? We ended up beating COVID today.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Well, the NFL beat COVID a long time ago, remember? Yeah. The Super Bowl was in LA. Nobody's wearing a mask. Well, no players tested positive for the last six weeks. That's right. That's because everybody's taking care of themselves so much. Bingo. Trent Dilfer also had that spray. Well, that was a long time ago. That was before Omnicron.

Oh, the spray didn't work on Omnicron? Or Delta, I don't think. Oh, yeah, you're right. The spray only worked on 1-9. 1-9-er was a fucking beast. Oh, the spray didn't work on Omicron. Or Delta, I don't think. Oh, yeah, you're right. Spray only worked on One Niner. One Niner was a fucking beast. Oh, gee. Bro. One Niner. Big son of a bitch.

Bro. Shut the world down. First one off the bus. First one off the bus. And they were a wreck. One Niner was a wrecking crew. Yeah, thankfully. Then Delta came around.

And then Omicron. And then allegedly, people were telling us on the internet that every time we celebrate COVID being done, a new variant comes literally within the next week. And today was the first time we've celebrated COVID being over for a good two or three months. So hopefully that trend

doesn't continue because it does feel like we may be COVID. We know anything about the next one is going to be weak as shit, dude. I don't know if that's the case. All right. Listen, I feel like Kevin's going to be in our life forever. Yes. Yeah.

My kids had to be tested twice before we got on the boat and once before we got off the boat. What happens if you test positive there? We all ask that. What did you say? Axel took a dump in the pool? No, he's like licking street signs and shit. Handrails, everything. Carpet, he'll lick anything. He doesn't care.

I don't know. I wondered, okay, so if one of my kids tests positive the day before we got off the ship, which the kids got tested, what happens then? I'm pretty sure your whole entire floor gets locked down probably. Not only that, you probably stuck there too you can't go back for a while and then you hop in your 18 wheel truck and you drive somewhere you know what i mean that's right yeah parking a couple months ago there was a whole outbreak on a cruise ship where they had to stay in the water until everyone passed it well that's what happened early on too yeah they

weren't letting ships come into port yeah i don I don't know enough about the Canadian situation, but I believe that testing to get back in on the roads and having to go is the reason why the truckers initially got pissed off, right? That would make sense. Having to produce a negative test to get back in to do the whole thing. That's why they initially got pissed off. Imagine if Hawk is stuck on a cruise ship for 12 days. Oh, my God.

So many people are dead. It would have been so awesome. Tiny baby room, too. It'd be rough. Oh, geez. Well, that trucker thing, isn't that going on here now, too? They're on their way to D.C. right now. Are they really?

Oh, geez. Gump. Get on the horn, Gump. By the way, my father was a truck driver. All right. I have nothing but respect for the amount of hours, loneliness, and how important it is to everything. But what if in the...

I mean, up there in Canada, there's some real shit going on. Oh, yeah. Like the government against the truckers. If I know some things about truckers, pretty tough. Yeah. Don't want to mess. Pretty tough. They will eat sandwiches of punches.

Yeah. They are not really worried about that type of stuff. But those monies up there, I think, got their horses on some of these truckers. You've got to be careful because 3% of truckers are serial killers as well. Oh, jeez. Seems like a high number.

These are all my dad's friends, dude. I mean, this is a fact. It's not. Truckers are good people.'s friends, dude. What are we even? I mean, this is a fact. It's not. Let's get to a break. Truckers are good people. Yeah, I agree.

I only said 3%. Have you ever heard of logistics maybe being the backbone of society? I agree. I get an Amazon package every day. They've got those big prime trucks now, by the way. Oh, yeah. We've watched a lot of serial killer documentaries as an office. I don't think one of them is about truck driving.

I'll fucking find it, dude. Truck driver, the amount of time you have to dedicate To truck driving I don't know if you have time to necessarily just kill people Now those lot lizards will get you I was going to say, if you've got a couple free hours You're looking for a lot lizard What is that guys? I don't know what that is

That's the prostitutes that bounce around truck stops Hey, what's going on in the cabin? Want to get a little lot lizard in there? Double L, two cabs down. What's going on? There's 300 serial killers that are truck drivers, but there's 4 million truck drivers. So this is a hodge.

Let's get to a break, please. Let's get to a break. I knew 3 was in there somewhere. I mean, 3% a lot. Think about the math you just did with four million. 3% of 400 is a lot of... Yeah, but who knows if it is. There's not 300 serial killers in the world right now.

Yes, there is, dude. That's a... How many do you have to kill to be considered a serial killer? How many? Six? I don't know. How many people have you killed? More than two.

A few? Two or more. And they have to be in the same bucket of people, right? Yeah, maybe same pattern as well. No, because a serial... Like the wet bandits or the sticky bandits. You have your call sign. Is that what it is?

I think that's what serial... A person who murders three or more people. Three or more. Just any people or the same bucket of people? It's usually a service of normal psychology, psychological. So it's, yeah.

It probably has to be a situation like... Yeah, because I think there's a different depiction of the people that just kill a bunch of people. Exactly. I think serial killer is like a uniform. Spaced out, I believe. Ted Bundy. Yeah, I think so. Because it would be what? Mass murder would be the

distinction? Yeah, I think so. I'm not 100% sure. I might be wrong there. I think you're right. Okay, good. Then what's a terrorist? Well, then there's an entire. There's an entire. I won't eat this. Whoa. Whoa.

Whoa. What, Connor? No, I mean, you know, AJ, it's your first day back. We said we were going to be a little less toxic. Yeah, that's right. On PMS Live 2022. Anyways, we hope no more serial killers exist. Yes.

No more mass murderers. Right. No more terrorists. No more rapists. exist. No more mass murderers. No more terrorists. No more rapists. No more pedophiles. Dentists. No. Dentists. We hate dentists.

I hate dentists, too. Throw them on the list. Fucking floss. That's all you got to do. Jesus. All right. See you tomorrow. AJ, great having you to do. Jesus. Alright. See you tomorrow. AJ, great having you back.

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