The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 640 - 412 Day, Shams Charania, Dan Orlovsky, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 12, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about 412 Day and how they're proud to be from Pittsburgh, and also discuss the news that Dan Snyder has allegedly been withholding money from the other owners of the NFL, and if this is going to ultimately be the straw that breaks the camels back and will force the NFL to make sure that Dan Snyder sells the team. Joining the progrum to chat about tonight's NBA Playoffs play-in games and what the playoffs are probably going to look like is friend of the show, Insider for The Athletic and Stadium, Shams Charania (21:09-40:49). Later, 12 year NFL veteran at QB, ESPN NFL analyst, and friend of the progrum, Dan Orlovsky joins Pat and AJ Hawk to chat about this year's NFL Draft, which of the Quarterback's are the most ready to compete at the next level immediately, what he thinks is going to happen with the first two picks in the draft, some of the stuff he's noticed about the QB's through extensive film study, and much more (1:00:39-1:29:29). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is 412 Day! How you ends doing out there? This sports show begins right now! Can't thank you enough for joining us. Yes, it is April 12th, 412 Day. You know, the beautiful city that we, a few of us I guess, hail from. Very lucky to be from Pittsburgh. The grit that is automatically, you know, just digested into your body from growing up in those beautiful hills is something that'll carry you for the rest of your life. I'm very lucky to be from Pittsburgh. I'm very lucky to celebrate this 412 day. And I'm also very lucky to not have to work for a network that tells me to get rid of my

fucking Yinzer accent because for far too long, the yinzer people, the yinzers speak, have been kind of pressed to the bottom of the floor saying, hey, you can't speak like that on this particular network. Actors have to change the way they speak. Speakers change the way they have to speak. But for us, we're a bunch of dumb yinzers that get to say don literally every single day.

And we are very lucky to do so. Shout out to Pittsburgh, a city that never gets enough love. Shout out. Now there's a lot that obviously can be fixed in Pittsburgh. I'm not saying it's a perfect city, but goddamn, it is a great city to be from. At Tone Diggs over there, Hammer. Don! Host.

Nice Yenzer holiday here. What are you doing to celebrate? Anything sweet? Well, first and foremost, I'm celebrating Honest Wagner, one of the greatest buckos of all time, probably number two behind Clemente. That's on his chest right now. Oh, that's who that is.

Jason Kendall's number three. Jason Kendall number three. What about Doc Ellis? Well, Doc was great as well. Jim Leland. Best, greatest manager. Sean Casey and Mayor also. Yeah, right.

So it's opening day at PNC Park, one of the actual most beautiful park in MLB. And the Pirates are, sorry, and the Pens are also going to get a W day. It's going to be a great day in 412. Yeah, it is. It's going to be a great 412 day.

The boys here at the talk table, at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor. Now, much like most things in this show's existence, we knew it was 412 day a long time ago. Oh, yeah. Of course. Oh, yeah. And we decided to ship in some Turner's existence we knew it was 402 day a long time oh yeah of course oh yeah you

know and we we decided to ship in some turner's tea and really chipped ham and permani sandwiches and rudy subs we did all those things so i can't wait for you boys to get to enjoy those after the show i mean ty i'm sure you knew nothing about pittsburgh before you met us now you've got a chance to go there a few times not a a bad city. No, not at all. And you're right. I mean, growing up, especially in like the Midwest, Midwest, like you don't, the Pittsburgh accent wasn't really anything that you knew about until I met you guys.

And now, you know, just by association, you know, a lot of arts, a lot of dance. I mean, that just. Stooge. Yeah, stooge. Zalot. Zalot. So, I mean.

Just words falling out of your mouth. Yeah, it's the best, though. And I love Pittsburgh. It is a beautiful city. I don't think it gets enough credit when you talk about the big metropolises around the U.S. Pittsburgh's awesome. We're much smaller than Philadelphia, but we're very vastly different, too, I believe. At Nick Miraldo in the back, another diehard Yinzer Stooge out here.

Nick, how come for so long Pittsburgh was always depicted as a terrible place? I mean, you even look at the Goodfellas or whatever. It's like, don't do business with the people from Pittsburgh. Did business with the people from Pittsburgh. Ended up in some deep shit, actually. Pittsburgh always kind of painted in that fashion. Even when, even when Donny Iris was taking over the entire globe, it was always buried.

In the Pittsburgh Penguins' greatest hockey franchise program to ever exist. The greatest organization ever. Much better than any other fucking hockey town. We are hockey town. How come it never gets enough credit, Frankie boy? Well, Pat, I think when you live outside those three rivers and you look down in there, I think a lot of people have a lot of envy in their eyes. And they want to come up with theories.

And they want to come up with spins and narratives to bring us down. The great people of Pittsburgh. The blue-collar, hard-working, crafty individuals. It's really quite disgusting, to be honest. But, you know, we've overcome. We've risen above. And we will continue to pursue greatness.

No, the city of Steele is the mother of all your cities. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know about that. That's why I can say it brings me home. Yeah, Massachusetts. Yeah, the steel was the first. Not a whole lot of big skyscrapers in Iowa. Yeah, but that fucking John Wayne KFC.

True, KFC. What do you think? Deere builds their fucking tractors out of it. Yeah, huh, pal? Who birthed John fucking Deer? I don't know about that. Yeah, you're welcome. I don't know about that.

We'd have to look into that. How about that? Oh, we're from the Motor City. Oh, okay. You're welcome. We will allow our children to go work in your city and let you become something. Look, I'll let you guys have your day today. I love Pittsburgh, too.

I love Pittsburgh so much. I actually sent $200 to the Pittsburgh Casino as a thank you. Today? Yes, I did. Every single time you go back to Pittsburgh, you stop by Rivers, you're going to lose your money. Every time. Okay, there's no winners walking out of that casino other than Nick's dad, Frank.

Oh, yeah. And he hits on the slots every once in a while, but none of us are playing the slots. But he's paid his dues, you know? The casino knows if you live there full-time or if you're an out-of-towner. If you're an out-of-towner, you're getting your money taken. Yeah, by the way, shout out Pittsburgh. Shout out Pittsburgh.

Great city. Anyways, Pittsburgh Penguins are going to beat the fuck out of the Islanders tonight, you know, without Geno Malkin, number two player in the world, because he cross-checked somebody right in the fucking teeth when he threw a little tantrum, okay?

So he's suspended for four games. The Islanders might get a win, but it's 4-1-2 today. Sidney Crosby ain't going to let the boys lose. Not a chance. I don't know. I thought about that on the Big Ben day, but hey, it's a different day. What's that all about?

I'm just saying. It's 4-1-2 day right now, dude. I know. I'm not looking back. We're distracted by greatness. I know. I'm just saying. We thought that was a lock, and all of a sudden they stunk,

and now we don't have Malkin on the ice tonight. I mean, I'm worried that there might be a little cement in the skates. How's Pasta doing, you scumbag? Pasta skated three days ago, so I'm not worried about Pasta at all. Plus, Red Sox got a massive tilt today. I told everybody in here, if you want to make some money, you put the entire village on the Boston Red Sox today because they might beat the Detroit Tigers 50-0.

But, hey, it's 4-1 today. How do we know? How do we know that? I mean, the Tigers just beat them yesterday. Exactly. And that's how we know. Makes no sense. And that's how we know.

Right there. Absolutely makes no sense. I mean, Detroit is Boston's kryptonite strictly because it is such a dumpy city that we play down to it. You know what I mean? We play up to our good opponents, and then we roll into this absolute shithole Detroit, and we say, I guess we have to suck in the fumes

and just stick. Listen, Detroit's a great city. Yeah, but there's no 4-1-2 day for Detroit. I mean, Boston's got a 6-1-7 day, but Detroit just has every day's a dump day. 3-1-3. 3-1-17s you guys do it? What happens? Yeah. Oh, I mean, everyone just, you know, they go out, they get their dunk, and I'm pretty sure they do half-off iced coffees

on that day. They do a couple free munchkins, maybe a donut or two. But that's just 617 Day. I want to celebrate you guys today. No, it's very nice of you because I was about to say, wow, making this all about yourself. No, no, no, opposite. Hey, from one Rust Belt guy to the other. I understand more than most.

I don't think Boston's in the Rust Belt. I believe, actually, when we had the Rust Belt photo, it was in Massachusetts. I do not think so. Bring it up. I remember this very specifically. Detroit was in a Rust Belt. Ohio was in a Rust Belt.

And then just this little itty-bitty Rust Belt in the north. So it was like off of the belt? Yes. Well, that's because everything stemmed from Massachusetts. So it's not a belt anymore. It was a territory. You guys were like just like a little earring up there. There ain't nothing Rust Belt about sailing yachts, okay?

Yeah, you're in your boat crew. Hey, look, look, look. Massachusetts as a state is Rust Belt. Sure. I got to live a nice little life, childhood, growing up. Sue me. What do you want from me? You want me to change my childhood, pick different parents?

I can't. Don't look at me. Sorry, man. I'm at the Yacht Club. Jesus. You know? But also, you can't just claim that. That Rust Belt? You know.

Rust Belt's in Massachusetts. Hey, sorry. We're part of it. You're apologizing for a lot, though. Well, that's just because I don't want to, you know, take away from your guys' day. I'm just saying. Let's talk about some stuff happening. I don't.

Boo. Boo! Thank you, Rust Belt, Massachusetts. What? I don't know. Maybe I don't know New England well enough. See that green right there? The Rust Belt is not green, though.

It's literally the brown. Revitalized Rust Belt area. Boo. Boston, Massachusetts. Basically everything in Massachusetts. What is that? You see where there's no green? Revitalized?

Yeah. What the fuck is that? We brought it back. Pittsburgh's revitalized too. No, no, no. They're just... It's not even real, Roosevelt. Yeah, those are cities that after the steel industry boom ended,

the city decided to then go into other industries and survive instead of dying. No, they needed to bring it to a state that would keep it alive how about ohio look at fucking ohio by the way this is why whenever you talk about an ohio guy you know exactly what you're getting yeah whenever you meet somebody from ohio you know exactly it's aj hawk just in a different form yeah whatever form that if that's a extrovert it's aj hawk is an extrovert right if it is extrovert, it's A.J. Hawk is an extrovert. If it is an introvert, it's A.J. Hawk. Other than that, that is what Ohio is.

They might say less. They might say more. But you know what you're getting with an Ohio person, by the way? Nothing but respect. And I think the reason why is because of this graphic. Great fucking here. Imagine how much greater this fucking city would have been if it would have just adopted what every city around it was doing. What are you talking about?

I mean, Indianapolis is not in the fucking Rust Belt. Oh, shit. Fort Wayne. Does it go around it? Yeah, it's a bunch of bullshit. It does appear as if it goes above it and then cuts down. So what happens?

Somebody who's real tough walked around town to town and said yes or no? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. They're like, ah, seems like there used to be, seems like it really used to be tough.

Kind of revitalized, though. So it's a revitalized Rust Belt area. There's also not enough Italians in India to be Rust Belt. Yeah, I think you probably tracked the Italians, too, through this. Real tough break for that small part of Ohio at the southern tip there. Did not make it. Yeah, there are absolute bitches down there. I'm not positive,

but that's just what I've heard. Think about the person that was declaring if it was a rust mode area or not, going all the way down there, and then as soon as he walked into that county, he was like, nah. Nah. They don't get it! Ah, what a life. Happy 412 day.

By the way, John Deere did have a contract with Pittsburgh Steel. There you go. You're welcome. By the way, John Deere did have a contract with Pittsburgh Steel. There you go. You're welcome. Hey, Iowa. You're welcome. You're welcome, Iowa. I'm happy we could be a part of that.

Look at us working together. Look at us working together for a long time. America. You guys get all the glitz and glamour. We'll do all the hard work behind it. You know what I mean? You guys put your paint on it. Do your little shine.

Don't let the farmers hear you say that. No, no, no, no. Don't be up in arms. No, no, no. Not the farmers. We're talking about John Deere itself. The company. All right.

The farmers, by the way. I feel like that's a whole different, right? I feel like the Rust Belt and then the farmers. What is that? Agricultural? Yeah. Grain Belt? Grain Belt, yeah.

Yeah. I have more farmer friends than people would expect. Yeah. And more than I would expect, to be honest. I've learned a lot about it. What a fucking attention to detail gig that has. Oh, yeah. You just have to be like the most consistent person of all time.

Good people. Yeah, but you have to be so consistent. Like every, this is what you got to do. Every day. This is what you got to do next. This is what you got to do next. Russell Wilson, big farmer. Boom.

He has the farmer mentality. The whole, because the times a year He has the farmer mentality. The whole... Because the times a year and then the weather, you're fucking playing games. Let alone if you have... I have some friends that have some chickens, some livestock, things like that. Having to be a

vet, too, at certain different times while you do that whole thing. So I assume the agricultural... What do farmers do in the winter? Farm. Yeah, cows are still around. Animals are still around. They're still doing that. Take care of them.

I don't know if they take vacations. Honestly, they're so wealthy, too, those motherfuckers, and they hate it. I think they hate doing anything that you would spend your money on for people to enjoy. Yeah, very frugal.

And also, when you're waking up at the crack of dawn every single day, I don't think you ever really get out of that. They're not taking vacations. I'd like to let everybody know, not as the voice of the Rust Belt Police, although I do have calluses on my hands.

I do have a pinky ring, so I'm a bit Italian. I can float gears if I had to. We have nothing but the utmost respect for the agricultural community. Absolutely. The people we were shitting on directly was the people at John Deere who just took our metal and fucking spray painted it a little bit and did their thing to the thing. You know what I mean?

That's who I'm talking about. Good business, man. Hey, by the way, shout out to John Deere, by the way, getting the best deal in town. Thank you, John Deere. Not well situated in regard to transportation and resources. Deere sold his interest in the shop to Andrus in 1847 and moved to Moline, Illinois.

There he began using imported English steel with great success and soon negotiated with Pittsburgh manufacturers for the development of comparable steel plate. By 1857, Deere's annual output applause had risen to 10,000. Hell yeah. That's where it went down. Look at that. Whenever Pittsburgh came together with John Deere, everything started applause had risen to 10,000. Hell yeah. That's where it went down. Look at that. Whenever Pittsburgh came together with John Deere,

everything started working out better for him. Well, yeah. I mean, he was getting steel from the queen and said, fuck this. I'm done with this bullshit. Let's go to Pittsburgh and look where we're at now. Two great families. That's what I'm saying.

Negotiating with Pittsburgh and the queen? Two great families? No, Deere and Pittsburgh. Oh, Deere and Pittsburgh. Got it. Imagine negotiations with the queen went much differently than dear pittsburgh oh dear got it imagine negotiations with the queen went much differently than the pittsburgh steel folks yeah how much you gonna give us fuck yeah we'll take that the pittsburgh how much how many plows you guys selling yeah all right

cool we just want a percentage on every one of those two and let's keep it moving shout out to four or two shout out we got sean sharonia joining us in four minutes. Thought we'd be able to extend that conversation for a full 20 because to be honest, in the football world, the world that we know a lot about, there ain't really jack shit to talk about. Carson Wentz, I guess nobody else is bidding for his services and that is coming from one source that

told one person on NBC Sports Edge, I believe. Nobody bid against Washington for Carson Wentz. More quotes were found in the article uh we kind of scoured through it a little bit the one executive said if you were to ask people for Taylor Heineke's salary in Heineke and two more third round picks or Carson Wentz in 30 million dollars and though a lot of people around the NFL would have said give us Heineke another executive I guess said we would have much rather had

Baker Mayfield's salary and whatever less picks we would have had to give up than Carson Wentz. Now, I am not saying that because I am a person that had to watch Carson Wentz play last year and talked about how, you know, it's probably the right time for us both to move on. I am only speaking about this because it does seem to be a bit notable that the Commanders probably got fleeced a little bit here. Yeah.

So if nobody else was really bidding for Carson Wentz, they took on the entire salary and gave up some picks. That's a fascinating thing. Good for Chris Ballard working that entire angle, but also Carson Wentz hears this and knows, all right, here's another chip on his shoulder. And maybe just maybe Carson understands after this entire village or voyage, I'm sorry,

the village that you're putting on boston red sox over detroit tigers today in this entire voyage through carson wentz's life maybe he has got to the point where it's like all right i gotta play like smarter football because this is my actual last shot and now i'm reading and hearing allegedly we don't know what executives are talking to executives by the way you can get five executives that maybe don't talk to the other fucking 27 teams that can speak out of line or out of pocket. But, Carson, hopefully this is like a reminder. Like, hey, this is probably your last opportunity to do a damn thing, Carson. Just be a little bit smarter with your football, with your body, with the way you go about your business.

And let's not sprain both ankles on one fucking play while also trying to throw an interception. Okay, we're trying to win a fucking Super Bowl. So maybe his great points will become much more consistent than those scary ones after reading and hearing even more about the bullshit being said about him. Yeah, I mean, if I was a Colts fan, I'd be jacked up because it does kind of seem like they had to do whatever they needed to do to get rid of him.

And no one was going to take him. And they got a pretty fucking sweet deal for getting rid of Carson. Chris Ballard with that Texas accent. Hey, listen, boys, we got a couple other people on the line. You know, if you want to get Carson, you're going to have to take that whole salad. Oh, you don't want to? All right, no big deal. We'll call this other team that already gave us this offer.

And Chris Ballard just sitting there like, please, God, take the bait. Please, God. And then bang, it happens. He had to be so elated, so excited. And Jim Irsay, after everything he said, it feels like he's pretty excited as well. It's not because they don't like Carson Wentz as a person. We don't know if that's the case. But we just know that the Indianapolis Colts organization

has a high expectation for the quarterback position. And that is because the Colts have been blessed with incredible quarterbacks for a very long time. Every team is looking for a quarterback in the NFL since the history of the NFL. This is the home of Unitas Manning. You're talking about two of the greats of all time. Jim Irsay watched firsthand, like grew up in the locker room when Unitas was playing. Then he was the GM. Then he's the owner who inevitably gets Bill Polian and drafts Peyton Manning

and watch a front row seat for that. So Jim Irsay has a super high expectation on how you operate as an NFL quarterback. And after watching Carson Wentz for one year, it sure did seem like Jim Irsay was like, I'm not doing this again, brother. I am not doing this. It's not what we want. Maybe it'll work for the commanders, though. Yeah, but it's kind of crazy the ripple effect it might have.

If Terry McLaurin goes out and Carson absolutely stinks, is he going to resign so he can continue to play with Carson Wentz? And even worse, if Carson doesn't play well and they cut his ass or something because I think he has an opt-out after next season, is Terry going to want to come back and play with a rookie quarterback or he could go somewhere else, pick where he wants to play? Hey, flip side. Flip side.

Yeah. What if Carson balls, dude? True. What if he takes command? He could. What if he takes command? He could take command. What if Scary Terry becomes his guy,

he and Carson just high-fiving each other in their mustard-colored sport coats? Of course. They're just living their best life. So, like, the whole article was talking about, would you have Carson or whatever for the $28 million or Heineke for the $2 million? I think that was, like, the sentiment that we talked about originally as soon as it happened in this office.

And I didn't even think about Baker for the $16 or $18 million or whatever and then still having the $10 million and then potentially some draft picks. But, I mean, if Carson doesn't work out this year, then Carson's probably not going to play in the NFL again. Well, there's a lot of other leagues he can prove himself. Oh, yeah. But Carson's getting a real opportunity here, getting paid a lot of money, and I hope this is the moment that Carson looks in the mirror.

And this is just like with the Bengals fans. The Bengals fans are attacking me for talking about not having an indoor practice facility. I'm trying to fucking help you out. This is not a knock on the fans. The fans are loyal, passionate. They pay their tickets. They had a lot of years there where it wasn't great.

Had some teams, never won on a run. But I'm talking for them whenever I say, hey, the indoor practice, it's 2022. Fucking let's go. The guys should be able to get extra work in the middle of a blizzard if they want to go get extra work. And if your team wants to work more and get better they should be able to do that i'm not saying you shouldn't practice outside okay you have to practice outside in the nfl to get better but there is you know numerous times where me and a lot of other

people in the off season and off hours are in that indoor practice facility. In Indiana, we get like 35-mile-an-hour wins. So it's like, can I work on fucking anything in 35-mile-an-hour wins in my profession? I could working on putting in 35-mile-an-hour conditions, but that might only be one game out of the 17. There might be some technical shit I want to get some work in. Okay, I'm going to go in the indoor practice facility. Let's say it's raining, heavily rain, which it does happen in Cincinnati

and Indianapolis. Like if a wide receiver wants to go run some extra routes and work on some stuff he should be able to go somewhere and fucking do that it's the nfl it's the top of the league so every time i was talking about that i feel like i was sticking up for the fans even though some of the fans were attacking me for saying this now they're getting it into a practice facility shout out to the bangles congrats to the fans congrats to the bangles congrats everything whenever we talk about carson and i say like hey he's so great he's so great whenever he's playing good he just has the to the Bengals. Shout out. Congrats to the fans. Congrats to the Bengals. Congrats to everything. Whenever we talk about Carson and I say like,

hey, he's so great. He's so great whenever he's playing good. He just has those moments where he's terrible. Like, I'm not burying Carson. I hope this is something that Carson sees.

Like, hey, I think I'm speaking for a lot of people whenever I say this. Like, he has a chance to be great, but goddamn Carson Wentz is going to Wentz in the middle of a game

when you don't expect it. And that's tough, I'd assume, for some people to fully commit and trust. And I think that's what happened with the Indianapolis Colts. Well, and that's the thing about the football team or the commanders. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Excuse me. Excuse me. The Colts are, like, as a football team, are stacked. Like, it's not as if he's going to a better offensive line or a better running back or a better defense. Like, that's why I think the, you think the perspective on it is like, hey, this might be an absolute train wreck. Now, with that being said, if he goes on and kills it, Jim Irsay probably looks like an idiot.

Now, granted, Jim Irsay had to cut Peyton Manning because Andrew Luck was sitting there and Peyton Manning broke a bunch of records and won a couple Super Bowls. So Jim Irsay has been there before. But I hope Carson works out for the Commanders. I'm excited to see how Matt Ryan goes here. But that was fascinating to hear that people thought that there was zero other market for him because what does that mean for every

other quarterback that's allegedly being talked about right now? We shall see. Let's pivot to tonight. Big time. Here we go. Big time to be an NBA person, because the most exciting NBA games of all time take place and start tonight. Play-in games get into the tourney.

Although we will have another season of T4 talking about the NBA playoffs in that particular tournament. Joining us now is our inside man. From the stadium and the athletic on Thursday, he'll be going live right in the middle of our show on Stadium's Twitter. But it'll be an incredible show because he's a part of it. Ladies and gentlemen, Sham Sharanya.

Hey, you look cool today. No, it's great seeing you, Pat. I haven't seen you since before the WrestleMania. How did it go? What was that like? I saw you killed it. You were doing your thing. Hey, I was sore.

I was hungover. It was awesome, though. Everybody was incredibly nice to me, other than Vince McMahon punted a football through my rib cage. I hit the point of the football right into my ribs. I thought I was going to have a fracture, a couple of them. I thought I was going to have to wrap it. Found out, just lost my air.

Just, you know, I couldn't breathe. So that's why he pinned me. And then, obviously, I was drinking beers with Steve, Sean. And that was a blast. And as a kid, I knew everybody he drank beers with basically ended the same way. But I thought maybe it could be different. You know, we're in a new era, a new time. You know, cheers.

I get stunned into oblivion. But it was a blast. It was a blast. Everything was great. Thanks for asking. How are you doing? This is now time that NBA matters. This is good.

I'm good. Playing tournaments tonight. You've got Nets, Cavs, Minnesota Clippers. So playing tournament, I mean, the league, I think they won overall. Last year you had LeBron, Steph Curry in the playing tournament. This year you have Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, LaMelo Ball, and the Western Conference, Paul George. I don't expect Zion to be a part of this.

I know you guys are big Zion Williamson. This is the Zion Williamson show right here. So, unfortunately, I don't expect him to be a part of this. But overall, I think it's going to be an amazing week for these playing games. Okay, so there's two games tonight, two games tomorrow, then the day off, then there's two games on Friday. Everything's happening. Excited for the NBA.

Let's talk about tonight and the stars. There's a report coming out now that Kevin Durant allegedly, whenever James Harden showed up at training camp out of shape, was perturbed by that or something. And that's when this entire disagreement whenever James Harden showed up at training camp out of shape, was perturbed by that or something. And that's when this entire disagreement between James Harden and the Nets happened. That led, obviously, to the Ben Simmons trade to the Nets, which you were on top of before anybody else. Is this all bullshit right now?

Why are these stories coming out now? Is it because James Harden and the Sixers seem not to be working out and Doc Rivers might be going to the Lakers, so they're trying to kind of build on that story and blow it up? Or how do you feel about all this that's coming out right now, day of playing games? Yeah, to be honest, I didn't even see it. So after I'm done here, I got to go check that out.

But I think there were a few factors that led to James Harden being out. I think we discussed it several times. I think the crux of it was, one, James himself did not want to be in Brooklyn long-term, right? So that was one. And two, just the way that the season unfolded, the way that the offense and James Harden has always played in a system where the ball was in his hands.

He was able to do whatever really he wanted. And I think the flow of the Nets offense was different when he was in the game and he was in the lineup versus when he was off the floor. And I know for the coaching staff there was always frustration because they had two different game plans, one when James Harden was in the lineup and on the floor and one when he's not. And it's always difficult for any player, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving,

to deal with that. Hey, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick there. Did they just assume he was going to be able to change his style of play for that? And did they both, both parties think that it was going to work out and then it just wasn't and they just had to stare that down? Yeah, I mean, I think overall that when James got there, I think everyone kind of assumed that it might be easy, right? Like James Harden, it's clear that he's wanted to go get a championship, right? And I'm not going to call him a ring chaser with what he's doing, right? Because I think his goal is to try to win.

But when you force your way out of Houston, you go to Brooklyn, that situation isn't working out. And I think what Kevin Durant said recently, guys, I think that was notable, was like the season for the Nets really changed when he got hurt. Because if he's in the lineup in January, I don't think the james harden trade happens i think because the nets are playing a lot better and when you're winning and you're

doing well on the court it's a different game right winning cures everything and i think that unfortunately when kevin durant got hurt they started losing and by the time you know james harden uh you know has that four-point game in sac Sacramento where a lot of the players on that Nets team felt that James Harden had quit on them. And when you're dealing with a guy that you feel quit on you and then he misses two more games, the writing was on the wall. He was out of there. And listen, I don't think he came into camp the best of shape from the people in Brooklyn perspective. But I don't look at that as the primary reason. Okay, James Harden, obviously we're big fans of

because of how he just kind of operates as a human. He's his own, and we're always big fans of that. But Kevin Durant's a fucking dog. I mean, that is. Kevin Durant is a dog. He's on another level right now. Yeah, he's the guy. So he's balling right now.

Kyrie's playing well. Ben Simmons is coming back. They're about to go on a fucking run right now. Yeah, he's the guy. So he's balling right now. Kyrie's playing well. Ben Simmons is coming back. They're about to go on a fucking run right now, huh? Ben Simmons is, and that's going to be the game changer, right? If you're able to get Ben Simmons back in your lineup, and he is, I'm told, very, very confident that he'll be able to make a return at some point in this first-round series. And I think games one and two of the Boston series,

if the Nets win tonight, they play Boston this weekend. I think games one and two of the Boston series, if the Nets win tonight, they play Boston this weekend. I think games one and two in Boston is too quick. But I definitely think after that is when the window for Ben Simmons to return starts opening up. And even if he's able to give them 15 minutes or 20 minutes, Pat, that's a game changer because that's a guy that automatically you can put on the other team's best player. He can move the ball. He can rebound. A lot can happen. So that is a potential game changer if Ben Simmons returns.

I'm told he's very, very confident he'll be back. Shams, they weren't just taking his time to teach him how to shoot. This is actually – I mean, listen, you know what? I was actually thinking about that the other day when I'm watching these videos. Almost everything that is posted online is just him shooting jumpers. And so I assume, you know, I think the Nets over the weekend posted a video of him coming off a curl and shooting a three-pointer and he made it. And I'm like, listen, if he's really spending this much

time just shooting, you would assume, you know, he might come back and take some jumpers. Yeah, but how is he not able to play? But we see him doing, is this the whole ramp up thing that you're talking about? Because every video I see, he's shooting, it's going in, it looks like he's going through a workout, there seems to be sweat, so it's on his first shot, I don't think, if you break it down as a high person watching a video. So what says, like, he can't play tonight, game one or game two? It's just because it feels like the tightness is loosening,

so they're predicting, like, one one more week it'll be much better, but he's still working out. I don't think I understand how the NBA operates because Zion is throwing the ball off the backboard. Let's break them both down. Ben Simmons, I think when he went through his last process, staying still shooting, one-on-os, and then as they tried to ramp him up, he could really only get to the one-on-o stage, and after that, he had a flare up in his back. So this time it'll kind of be similar where they're going to ramp him up in time versus staying still shooting. And now this week I'm told is when he's

going to start ramping up and doing more, whether that's sprinting and running and starting eventually, whether it's this weekend or next week, to take contact. And once he gets past the contact stage, whether that's next week, as long as take contact and once he gets past the contact stage whether that's next week as long as there's no setbacks he should be ready to go um and so at that point again we're projecting out here one and a half weeks or so for him to get past that stage as far as contact i don't think they're going to really require him you know to go full blown like a month of five on five they just they just don't have the time. In the case of Zion, he went through the normal progression that the Pelicans had, right? One-on-one, two-on-two, three-on-three, four-on-four, five-on-five.

He went through – well, up until four-on-four last year essentially in December. And I remember I came on the show. I said he's going to do five-on-five. He felt soreness. And so this year – this time around, they're doing the same thing and i have some news for you guys zion williamson did participate in a 5-on-5 full court scrimmage last week let's go here we go from what i've been told but it's still important for him to keep getting those 5-on-5 reps in conditioning is important just this tight window after not playing all season,

I don't expect – What did he do? He put up – What, did he have a triple-double? He had a triple-double in that five-on-five full-court scrimmage? I don't have the stats, but from what I was told, he did look – he looked good. But listen, playing –

Put him in the fucking game! Put him in the fucking game! Playing five-on-five against back-end roster players, assistant coaches, like Willie Green said the other day, he did a controlled scrimmage. That's different than playing against NBA players and taking contact and doing the whole nine. He's Zion. I think with a guy like Zion, if you know that he dealt with a fractured foot,

that he should have been back from it. Guys, he should have played opening night. That was the goal. Unfortunately, he had some setbacks. And so I think that they don't want that to happen again. They want to make sure when Zion Williamson comes back, he stays on the floor. All right, I get it.

That's a very mature look into things. You'd guess. But he's running five on five and he's going through the leg dunks. He's got those two. It's amazing for the leg dunks and he's got those two. It's amazing for the game, though, right? I think the one positive you've got to take out of this, we're going to see Zion Williamson play at some point,

whether that's next season. But the goal, if he's already to the stage of five on five now, he's feeling good, pain-free, we should see him back doing what Zion Williamson does all next season season the goal would be then to have him back all year next year not have this start stop again happening in his career all right what are early uh futures bets for mvp next year for zion williamson can we please get fandle to get on that yeah go ahead uh connor yeah yeah shams uh russell westbrook saying some very interesting things uh did frank vogel actually hate him? And also, did Anthony Davis and LeBron James say publicly that they needed to let Russ be Russ, but then privately said, hey, sit your fucking ass on the bench?

Well, the way I'd break down the Russell Westbrook situation is that it was just unfortunate because I think from the jump, the fit just was not there. You could tell just on the court, him, LeBron, Anthony Davis just did not there um you could tell just on the court him lebron anthony davis just did not jive well and um yeah i mean i i think as people russell westbrook anthony davis like uh russell westbrook um and i i don't know the extent to him and frank vogel and how much they got into it clearly there was some level of friction with that coaching staff and russell westbrook um you know i i reported yesterday in the story I did on the Lakers, there was a moment even in an early season film session where David Fisdale, their lead assistant,

had a back and forth with Russell Westbrook about his shot selection. And that was a moment that created an animated back and forth between those two. And so just that level of tension, I think, existed all year. Russell Westbrook, everywhere he's been, Washington, Houston, to an extent, OKC. It's kind of been free reign. In LA, it's like, all right, let's get Anthony Davis involved. Let's get LeBron James involved. Let's get the ball in their hands. And clearly we saw it just did not go well.

So I think what the Lakers are learning now is you've got to build a team. And I think we need to remember they are still only 18 months removed from winning a championship. They still have LeBron James and Anthony Davis on this team. I wrote this yesterday. All 29 other teams in the league would love to have Anthony Davis and LeBron James on their team to start a franchise. Now it's on the Lakers.

It's on Rob Palenka. It's on that front office. It's on everyone there to make sure that they get the team right. They clearly this year did not get the team right. He looks like Rob Lowe, right? That's that guy? Oh, yeah. Handsome dude.

Handsome older man. He's got a lot of pressure on him, though. He's aging like a president over the last couple months, 18 months removed from the championship. Now you're not even making the playoffs. What the fuck? Is that the biggest collapse of all time? Pretty close.

I'm watching his show. It was a disappointing season for sure. But at the end of the day, they have this summer. To me, I want to see what they do. I want to see what moves they make. I want to see LeBron James, Anthony Davis get healthy. That's going to be very important because Anthony Davis had two freak injuries, right? In Minnesota, he had a player run into his knee.

That sidelined him for about a month. And then after that, he had the midfoot sprain that he came down on someone's ankle that sidelined him for over a month those are freak injuries and I think Anthony Davis does get a bad rap for being injury prone but those were freak injuries and so you hope that those don't happen

LeBron's got to get healthy he's got a decision to make too he's got a two year 100 million dollar extension that he could sign in August LeBron's got to get healthy he's got a decision to make too he's got a 200 to year 100 million dollar extension that he could sign in August we'll see what ends up happening with that overall this Lakers team this is a big offseason for them to actually get back to their roots of building a team and if you look at two of the last three years they've actually went out and built a team the year they won the championship they had a good team I thought even last season they had a good team.

They were up 2-1 against Phoenix, and then Anthony Davis pops his groin, and then they lose in that series against the Suns. They were up 2-1. They were going to go up 3-1. Who knows? They would have went to the finals that year. And so a lot of what-ifs for sure. Frank Vogel wanted out of there.

Frank Vogel wanted out of there. Get me the fuck out of there. Yeah, Frank Vogel wanted out of there. Get me the fuck out of here. You think Frank Vogel felt that way or no? I think Frank Vogel by – I think midseason Frank Vogel saw the writing was on the wall, that he would not be back this season. And now they're going to have to go to the drawing board. This guy can't shoot a basketball. I think it will be a slow process. But, Pat, two names that I would keep an eye on.

One, Nick Nurse in Toronto. He's the head coach there, won coach of the year a couple years ago, won a championship there in 2019. I think that's the exact strong personality, guy that can get everything out of his team. That's a guy that the Lakers would want. Another name, the Utah Jazz coach, Quinn Snyder. Now, again, both of those guys, we're going to have to wait and see. Will they be able to get out of their contracts? What happens in the playoffs?

That'll play out in the next several weeks. Hey, Dr. Jerry Buss would get them out of their contracts like that. That's right. I'm watching that HBO special right now on that whole operation. Doc Buss was a fucking wild man. Oh, yeah. That guy, one of the biggest outlaws in the history of maybe society. Yep.

Had no idea. Are you watching that? It's awesome. I have seen some episodes. I think that the portrayal of Dr. Buss makes him look like a boss, to put it in simple terms. He looks pretty badass, for sure. Hey, there is a lot of boning in there. Oh, yeah.

They're doing a lot of sexing. A lot of sexing back in there. That's showtime, baby. Yeah, but it is. It's a good time. I mean, it's a good show. Great show. Jerry West, that guy was fucking fiery.

Oh, yeah. I didn't know he was so fiery. I had no idea. They were getting after it. But he would have been able to get those coaches out of Canada and out of their contract. Let's see what Rob Lowe can do. Go ahead, Ty.

Shams, outside of the Nets, are there any of these teams playing in the play-in that have a realistic shot of actually doing something in the playoffs? I know Jakob Hertel has been blazing hot for the Spurs lately. So any of those teams actually have a chance moving forward? I think the one team besides the nets that can make some real noise in the playoffs i don't know about finals or conference finals but the clippers oh yeah with paul george back in the lineup and we'll see what

happens with kawaii leonard they still have not ruled him out this year you know could he come back if they get by round one and that clippers team right now to me, with Paul George back, I think they're a real threat to beat either... I think they're a real threat. I don't know if they can beat Phoenix. Phoenix is just a machine right now. But we'll see. We'll see what happens with Memphis. Is LA a Clippers city now? Do the Clippers own the Crypt? Is that what's going

on? Does LA love the Clippers now? I think so. I don't know if they love them, but I think that they got the best shot. If Paul George doesn't get hurt, that team is anywhere from the 3C to the 6C, in my opinion. So, to me, that's the team to watch. He's been hurt all year.

He tore his knee up last year. Kawhi Leonard playing or no? Listen, as of right now, I think they're operating. They're going into the playoffs that he's not going to be playing. But, again, they have not ruled him out. With Kawhi Leonard, I wouldn't put it past him. If they got by Ron, if they got to the conference finals, could he come back? I think that's really just going to be about him and how he rehabs through that ACL.

But, listen, with these ACLs, usually, Pat, you know, it takes about a year for you to get back out there. Not anymore. Jamal Murray in Denver, another guy who was coming off a torn ACL last April. But from everything I've been told, it is not likely that he'll be able to play this postseason. How about the Bucs? I've seen that they beat the Pistons by 40 on Friday night. How do we feel about their chances going through the playoffs? Good on the Pistons, by the way, showing up.

Thank you. I mean, to me, they've got as good a chance as any. I think Milwaukee for sure can go and repeat this year. They're going to be the three seed. They're going to play Chicago. I don't think that that series will go too long. Oh, wow.

No Lonzo Ball. That's going to be a tough one for the Bulls not to be playing with him. If they had Lonzo Ball, I think this series would have been really, really competitive. Is. That's going to be a tough one for the Bulls not to be playing with him. If they had Lonzo Ball, I think this series would have been really, really competitive. Is Benny the Bull going to be there or not? He's going to be there. Come on, Pat. You know he'll be there. Yeah, Benny the Bull. This is the new

Benny the Bull. With the popcorn. Because old Benny the Bull got in a little bit of trouble. Old Ben, the original Benny the Bull. Kind of a snitch. But, no, I think Milwaukee has as good of a chance as any team, for sure. All right, Tom.

Shams, I'm reading here that it was reported by the athletic reporter, Shams Sharanya. Jared Allen isn't going to play tonight because of a finger? I mean, is this not the tournament? Is this not the playoffs? What are we doing? A finger? Can't tape those things together on his left hand?

Jesus. Loser goes home? He's been trying. He's been trying to, you know, he's had splints. He's had smaller splints. He's had tape. He has a fractured finger on that left hand. And from what I'm told that discomfort is just it's gone all over his hand right so anytime you can be

discomfort in the hand and so listen Jared Allen I'm not gonna take any shots at your down I think he wants to play unfortunately he's not gonna be able to get out there which finger do we know which finger this do you know it's not I don't I don't believe it's the middle finger. Third metatarsal? It's not the pinky. The ring finger? I'd have to go.

It's the one you put up. I believe it's the ring finger. Don't give a fuck. I'd have to double check. I'd have to double check. Sorry, we just got into an M&M bar there. Hey, we appreciate you, Shams. Thank you for stopping by.

I know the show on Thursday is going to be a big deal. 2 o'clock at Stadium Twitter. What are you guys? Are you just breaking down the entire tournament or what? We're going to break down the entire playoffs. We're going to have news on everything, on every player, seeing when guys come back in the lineup. Any news that

could impact these playoff series, we're going to have that for sure. Okay, well we'll have somebody watching that. We'll be live and our show will be very dead. We will just probably be skimming directly off of your show. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Sharondia.

Yeah! Yeah, Sean! But there is only a few things that one man can talk about and everybody will have respect for it. That man is a college football national champion. He's a Super Bowl champion. He's a Ryder Cup champion. He is the Ohio State Buckeye. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, COVID survivor, A.J. Hawk. A.J., what's going on in Philadelphia?

What the fuck is going on in Philadelphia? I just heard that when I was waiting for you. Did that just come down this morning? I believe yesterday. Yeah. Popped up. Anything indoors, the mask mandate? Yeah, I thought we were done with this. It's not popped up. Anything indoors, the mask mandate? Yeah, I thought we were done with this. What's the deal? What do they know that we don't know, AJ? Do they know something that we don't know? And if it is, what do we need to know going forward?

Is it maybe a late April Fool's thing, hopefully? I don't think so. Like Philadelphia, city of brotherly love. Hey, gotcha. We meant to do this on April 1, but you know how bureaucracy goes we had to get this pass it was a little bit later maybe i don't know i mean do they have to wear fucking masks at the baseball games now too outdoors are we doing that as well well that was something for the new york because old aaron judging that's right well just players fans are we gonna see you know 50,000

masks in there at the phillies game this weekend the the dugout, too. They better be because that is. What about the arena? Are they still playing basketball? Yeah, the Sixers have home court advantage, too. Every person in there, right? Is there home court advantage? Every person in there. They're not going to be able to hear them.

They're all masked up. It's weird that it's such a panic, but it doesn't start until Monday. What? The mask mandate. They announced it this week, but it doesn't start until Monday. It's just weird that it's such a panic, but it's still got time. So they go outside and spit in everybody's mouth on Monday. We'll start fresh Monday.

The war ratings might have gone down. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It worked out when that was happening. Let's talk about some sports here. If the Sixers have a full crowd wearing masks as the only city that has to have it. I do believe that is a disadvantage for the Sixers. And if James Harden loses, they're going to

attack him, but maybe it's crowd not being able to show their mean faces to the opponents. They got that mask on, you know what I mean? Everybody's just going to picture him with smiley faces underneath. Oh, this is a welcoming place. And Philly's like, you know what I mean? That's how we, that's picture him with smiley faces underneath. Oh, this is a welcoming place. And Philly's like, get it, Brown!

You know what I mean? That's how we... Can they give everybody a mask maybe with different mean faces drawn on the front of it? See, we're thinking, do they have enough time? I mean, that's why it was probably pushed till Monday. Gotta get the mask for the Sixers game that is mean enough for the

visiting team because we would still like to have some home court advantage. Who are they playing? There's a good chance those guys forfeit. Nah, fuck it. We ain't playing tonight. Unless they take these masks off, we're not playing tonight. Because they're scared of all the masks or because they just don't...

They just won't stand for it. We'll go back home. Do the players have to wear the mask in the arena? Probably. If it was anybody but Toronto they were playing, there might be a chance of that. Yeah. You probably have to wear it mask in the arena? Probably. If it was anybody but Toronto they were playing, there might be a chance of that. Yeah. You probably have to wear it if you're not in, right? Like, do coaches have to wear it?

I would assume so. I mean, they fucking, something's going on, dude. Something's going on. What do they know? Maybe live events have some kind of different exemption, though. Bro, are they smarter than everybody? Like, that's the thing that I don't fully understand. Like, know more than we do they care about people more than everybody else does what what what is what are they i'm sure they would say what they're having like an outbreak or there's a high

number of positive tests is that what they're saying i mean yeah what's their vax percentage something to do with the liberty bill something with liberty bill it's cracked maybe tell them attack to crack uh it's because they're saying the cases are rising. I don't know. Yeah. Whatever it is. God fucking damn it. I'm not coming to Pittsburgh next.

Well, it won't. Hopefully not. Pittsburgh just got rid of plastic bags, I guess. Really? Progressive. Yeah.

What do you mean? Only allowed to use steel ones. Ha! Nick just sent me an actual news thing There's no more plastic bags allowed in Pittsburgh grocery stores Yeah, it's going to be heavy But we do feel it'll be better for the environment

Thank you, John Eagle Thank you, Eagle Healthy asbestos in the air Let's move along I don't like that mask thing, though It scares the shit out of me Yeah, I mean, they're still on airplanes Wasn't that supposed to come down soon?

Next week No more masks on airplanes It's 412 day One last 412 day Everybody masked up on a plane And they did it thank you Is this 412 day like a national thing I don't know

I don't know why it would be a national thing I mean everybody everybody knows. I'm saying, is it something that we all observe? Yeah, of course. 4-1-2 day, we have to give Pittsburgh their props. Hey, by the way, we would appreciate that if that was the case, but we are a, you know, our tribe of people in Pittsburgh are cool with us just recognizing it.

But if you would like to give us love, we're 100% okay with it. Go ahead, let it eat. I think it's great. I've known a lot of Pittsburgh people. I have a lot of Pittsburgh friends before I ever met you and the boys. But, yeah, Pittsburgh's a fun, unique spot, and I think it's great. I've known a lot of Pittsburgh people. I have a lot of Pittsburgh friends before I ever met you and the boys. But, yeah, Pittsburgh's a fun, unique spot, and I think it's a special place. So I think you guys should have a day. Boom.

Happy 412 day, said AJ. Thank you, AJ. Thank you. Thank you, AJ. Can you put a picture of the Rust Belt back up, please? We have to show AJ Hawk this because we believe we know why you are the way you are and why you have become the mascot for all of Ohio for a lot of people. Look at the state of Ohio.

Please. This is the Rust Belt right here. So some guy walked around and said, this place is tough enough to be the Rust Belt. This place is tough enough to be the Rust Belt. This place, revitalized, used to be the Rust Belt. That's the green. You see that pair on the right of Massachusetts. The entire state of Ohio.

Rust Belt. Whoever was judging literally drove a car or a wagon or whatever from the top of Ohio all the way down to the bottom. It was like this whole fucking place, except for this one area down here. Seem to be a lot of yups. No collises on any hands here, AJ. It's going to make you feel good about the state of Ohio right here. Tough.

This is the first time I have seen this map. I'm not sure who gets to decide what the Rust Belt really is. Good for Ohio. Andy Carnegie, if I had to take a guess. Good for everybody that's involved. Amen. A little plop right there, St. Louis.

Is that two E's on Erie? So this map is terrible. They spelled Erie wrong. Yeah, there's... So this map is terrible. Erie? They spelled Erie wrong. Fucking Erie. Erie... Yeah, so can't really take this seriously. Is there a different one?

Erie. Hmm. Oh, no. Oh, no. Erie? This is all horseshit. Maybe at the time of the map it was spelled like that. It feels like this is all bullshit.

No. You can't even spell Erie right, dude. Look at that. Well, it's because he's a Rust Belt guy. He goes cool. What's the green all about on Pittsburgh? I mean, you haven't been there. Oh, Baltimore's got a little.

Oh, Pittsburgh also revitalized Rust Belt. That's awesome. Look at us, guys. Switch to fucking tech and medicine. We stayed alive. What did you guys do? What did we do? Yeah.

I mean, fucking what didn't we do? You can just run down the list if you want to. I mean, I know New Hampshire didn't get the Rust Belt because they're live for your die. They probably won't let this guy fucking walk around the state. All right, let's talk about Ohio a little bit here. The Cincinnati Bengals

are in an interesting spot because although they were just in the Super Bowl after winning four games the season beforehand and they got a young quarterback, they're building an indoor facility. Hey, here we go.

Here we go. They got a young crew that's ready to go and very marketable. And I think we have all become fans of the Cincinnati Bengals and their fan base. Very, very passionate, very loyal. A lot of drunks and also, you know, good Rust Belt community over here in Cincinnati.

Of course. With that being said, stats say Joe Burrow ain't ever making it back to the fucking Super Bowl, dude. CBS Sports released this yesterday. Each of the last 16 quarterbacks to lose in their Super Bowl debut have never made it back to the big game. Go ahead and run through the entire list right there. It is not good news for Joe Burrow. And if you do recall during Super Bowl week, a lot of people were like, you know, I want Matthew Stafford to win. I think Seth Rollins was the first person to say it, but then it kind of became a talking point for everybody.

Seth was on Wednesday. You know, I want Matthew Stafford to win, you know, because he's kind of the older guard. Joe Burrow would win another one. And I remember immediately saying, oh yeah, fucking easy. Just win another Super Bowl. The Patriots have completely conflicted people's views on how difficult it is to make it to the Super Bowl and win a Super Bowl. Joey Burrow, if he makes it back, which, by the way, I believe he can. I absolutely love Joe Burrow. I think he'll get back and win the goddamn Super Bowl. But it is a tough thing to do, apparently.

And that's why the parody of the NFL is normally talked about so much, even though only a couple different people win on a regular basis. Well, this is maybe something that Joe can use, just to add another little chip to his shoulder. I feel like if he wants to have some more stuff that he can use as motivation. But, I mean, the thing is, like, obviously none of these guys have any impact on Joe Burrow and what he's doing. But, yeah, the trends say that this is – it's not good to get back. Like, the odds are not that great.

But think about it. It's almost like the Masters when people say, oh, okay. Say that we have these stud pros that maybe play they've won one major they haven't won the masters and they play it every year and you're like well you're gonna play it for 25 years you're gonna win one of them man you got to right but then every year can you imagine being that person that week like year after year after not winning it like wow i gotta put together four perfect days to win this thing and i have new new competitors coming up every single year that are bigger better hit the ball farther like it's just it's that hard and the master's not so much as it is

in the nfl but like health reigns in on all the like huge star players involved but you have so many moving parts of the football team like golf it's you if you figure yourself out now hopefully you know but i think you're right though though. Like, getting lucky at who gets hurt is a massive part of an NFL season. You lose, everybody's going to get hurt. But if you lose, you're going to lose a couple guys every single season. But if it's one of your five-star guys, B.A. used to say, hey, this is a five-star. Our five-stars got to beat their fucking five-stars. Hey, our five-stars are going to cancel out their five-stars.

Y'all other motherfuckers need to win this game, basically, is how B.A. used to actually speak. But it's real. Like, if you lose a couple of your five-star guys, the guys that are eating up a lot of your salary cap, the guys that are the leaders, the guys that are supposed to be doing their thing, that drastically affects your team. Where other people get injuries, and it's like a big name,

but you still got your guys. Like, that can – Or if you're all set up and you have – think about if you have great luck, you're all set up to make a run, all this stuff happens, and you lose your franchise quarterback, and he was a guy. Dead. Good luck.

Like, okay, here we go. Let's chalk this season up. Well, what if your franchise quarterback retires nine days before season starts? Yeah, that would be tough. Hey, that will affect you for the next four years, five years. That's right. That will get you. I mean, we're kind of in the middle of research on that whole thing right now.

But, yeah, I hope Joey Burrow debunks it. And nothing that happens in the past has any outcome on what's going to happen today. You pointed that out beautifully. That's why the stats community, although I understand what you're saying, if it's not 100-0, I don't want to fucking hear it. It sounds like this one's like 100-0. But Joey Burrow has debunked a lot of different myths and theories that could happen, like taking the Cincinnati Bengals to the fucking Super Bowl.

He's young, too, though. Isn't he younger than a lot of those guys on the list that went to the Super Bowl and lost? Neil O'Donnell. Goff. Yeah. I mean, Goff was young, too. Goff was young. Cam as well.

But the guys in the bottom line, when did they go? Rich Gannon and what? Jake Dillon went late in his career. Terry was late. Rich. Stein Humphries was late. Drew. Rest in peace, Steve McNair.

He was later, right? Yeah. McNabb was later. Drew would have made it back, probably. I mean, Matt Ryan's going to make it back this year, right? Yeah, Matt Ryan's got a good chance to get back. Rex Grossman deserved another shot. Sexy Rex?

Yeah. God could fucking hawk that pigskin. Yeah. All these guys could throw a ball pretty well. Mm-hmm. Except for Jimmy G. No, I'm joking. He did not deserve that.

Jimmy G did not deserve that. I hope Jimmy G gets back to the Super Bowl, by the way, because you remember they had the lead in that fucking thing. Oh, yeah. They had the lead, and I think they were going to win that Super Bowl. They came out of nowhere. Jimmy G was like, this guy never loses. This guy is always a winner, always a winner.

And then he missed one pass to Ted, I think, right? Emmanuel Sanders. No, Emmanuel Sanders, yeah. Emmanuel Sanders missed him by like four yards, five yards. And then that offseason, Tom Brady's come here. Jimmy G can't win. It's like, oh, my God. That's when it all kind of started for him.

What's going to happen in that situation? I wonder. What are we waiting on? What does Rap Sheet or anybody say about Jimmy G? so they're all saying that the shoulder surgery is the reason so the rehab everybody's waiting to see how it goes with jimmy g but if jimmy g was i in this we don't feel this way about jimmy g i got a lot of respect what if he throws better after the surgery like rookie of the year yeah tommy john could potentially happen and, you know, the floater would inevitably win it and seal it. But if he was viewed in the same vision as, like, the top,

like Russell and Aaron and them, I don't think the shoulder surgery would matter. But I think because there is a lot of people that wonder still, the shoulder surgery combined with that, and once again, I'm not saying I wonder. If I get Jimmy G on the team, I'm getting Jimmy G on my team. The motherfucker just wins all the time, it seems like. But I feel like that is something that people are holding back on

and not sending everything they could possibly send to the Niners, although he said they had two twos in his back pocket or something like that, which might have been some gamesmanship from John Lynch. I have no idea what they're waiting on. Don't you think it's possible that if they see the way the draft shakes out for the first however many picks and they want to get back in the first round, since I don't think they have any and they use jimmy g to you know i don't know if he if they'd be able to get into like the top 10 using him and future stuff but maybe like a later round pick and

he ends up going to one of these teams who is kind of in between right now remember mark murphy says it's going to get interesting on draft day is tell you what. If that son of a bitch trades for Jimmy G, I don't know what I'll do. I wouldn't put it past him. Send Aaron back home, right? Back to his hometown team. Absolutely. The Bay Area. Let's go. That would not be a great move. For who?

Nothing against Jimmy G, but that's not happening, obviously. I guess nothing would surprise you, though, right? Does anything shock you anymore? Hey, Mark Murphy says it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. No, I think draft spectacular this year is going to be active. Just with how active the offseason was, I think the draft night is going to be the same. I think it's a new generation of people in some positions of power.

And I'm not saying everybody is going to act that way, but it feels like maybe there will be some moves feels like we'll see some things happen some players will be like hey this is a good time for me to maybe get out of here week of the draft say if anything comes up i wouldn't mind going elsewhere we're not you're not going to sign me maybe dk metcalf on the move yeah i mean there is there's gonna be some moves i think done by some gms or front offices that's either going to make or break their franchise you know like we're going to make a oh this is kind of questionable we don't know if this is going to work out and if it works out you look like a genius and then some people it's not going to work out and you're fired isn't it awesome that we are talking about the draft and we are

talking about only veteran players that's what we're like oh we're excited for like the vets to maybe get traded on draft night see who moves there We don't have a fucking clue about any of these guys. I guess Aiden Hutchinson, though, he and Trevon Walker are now like a real conversation for who's going to go number one, even though Aiden Hutchinson had been number one since way back when they beat Ohio State, basically, was being talked about in that game. Now Trevon Walker is allegedly in the conversation. Although FanDuel still has the odds at minus 250 for Aiden Hutchinson,

it seems like the Walker heat is really coming in. Is that strictly because of all the bullshit that happens around the draft? Probably. But also is it because this dude, I guess, is a freak? Mike Garofalo reporting that Trevon Walker to the Jags at number one chatter, this time from Schrager. He's heard a lot of the chatter. Trent Balke sees a lot of Alden Smith in Walker.

We're 17 days away, now 16, and Bulkey and the Jags are making their decision. So they're just having full conversations at this point about what they really want to do. They re-signed a tackle, a franchise tag tackle, offensive tackle, so everybody thinks they're going D-line, defensive end. What if they go completely

off the grid and go with somebody else? Give us theson guy who's six four three eighty one you know i always wonder how close everybody is to the whole situation because we've heard so many lies over the past on who's going where this year it seems much much more of a question mark than years past at the top we have what 16 days to the draft correct yes sir spectacular yeah yeah yeah so between now and then, there's going to be all kinds of stuff that happens. But also, these GMs, these front office, the owners,

I don't think they are squared away 100% on what's going to happen because so much depends on what happens around you. Well, paralysis by analysis, too. You can overanalyze everything and kind of talk yourself out of a decision, too, I think. Easy, easy. I'm sure it's pretty easy to do that. Especially if there's a couple people that are already in the group of like yes this isn't the right decision and then

you see something on tape that they've been talking about you know hey listen i did and they're like well let's hey let's go check out trevon walker now we like this guy look what he did here there's probably a lot of that happening i would assume all of them would wish the draft was tomorrow like let's get this over with. Yes. Yeah. Think about it. If you're sitting there and you have to make an decision like this, time would stand still, I feel like,

because if you really are locked in on somebody you want, you're just praying nobody else takes that person. And some people, I'm sure, have no real clue what direction they should go. Well, and also, they have to think about all their other fucking picks, too. Yeah. So they have to do actual research on the entire draft while knowing that the pillars of the program are going to be picked on the first and second day or whatever, and we can't get that wrong.

What a fascinating juggle of time management for all these fucking GMs. Well, last year, leading up to the draft, the first three picks were essentially locked in, and then day of the draft is when the third pick changed. Even one and two, Lawrence Wilson, I think that was basically since the end of college football season damn near that that was definitely happening and there was no change. And obviously this year it's like, shit, anybody could go one right now it feels like.

Hey, who would you take, AJ, after all the film you've watched? You know, that Hayden Hutchinson guy beat the fuck out of the Ohio State Buckeyes. Yeah, he did. This last year. You got to go based on team needs, right? Best available, too. Yeah, so number one overall, you're Jacksonville. Who are you going with?

Yeah, I'll probably take Hutchinson, actually. Really? What are you – watching Hutchinson's film. Actually, I like Walker, too. What did I say? We walked into the national championship game. We're in a box on the 50, and within 30 seconds of walking in, I was like, are you kidding me? These Georgia guys are unbelievably fast and physical.

Like, they close ground so fast. Yeah, and this dude, I guess, lost 20 pounds. They had him at inside. He loses 20 pounds, goes to the outside, and then just has massive production and can fly. So I feel like his upside, he still has a lot of room to go, which is what everybody's talking about. We could still teach him a lot of things.

Aiden Hutchinson, I haven't heard any conversation about him other than he is the number one. And that's kind of an interesting spot. We talk about this with, like, it happens with LeBron James. It happens with Aaron Rodgers. You get to a point where you're so fucking good that the conversation isn't about how good you are anymore. It's about, like like what you do wrong like hey this person like lebron james has been uh compared

to michael jordan since he's like 22 years old we didn't even get the old hey look how good this guy is the lamello ball highlights like that was only like a year or two of lebron's life and then it was immediately well is he better than michael jordan and let's tear him down boom boom boom it's like that with Aaron Rodgers I feel like Aaron everybody's like yeah we know he's great but also he's an asshole prima donna missed his throw did this did this like you get to that point

where you're at the top where there's nothing good it's like yeah you're assumed to be good but now it's like take him down it feels like that with like Aiden Hutchinson almost for this entire draft there's been zero conversation about him except for he's number one overall and then now that somebody else is creeping in it's like well he does seem to be a little bit quicker than Aiden Hutchinson is and his upside's a lot bigger than Aiden Hutchinson it's like we haven't heard much positive about Aiden Hutchinson other

than the motherfuckers going number one overall it's an interesting interesting situation joining us now is the quarterback guru for ESPN. You see him break down film. You see him do magical things. He wore a green jacket yesterday. Oh, yeah. Masters guy. Yeah, absolutely. Guy won the Masters.

Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Erloss. Yeah! What's up, dude? What's up, Bob? Hey, what's going on, man? Other way. Other way. Other way.

Here we go. Hey, I met your friends, Dude Perfect, down there in Dallas, man. They said way. Hey, I met your friends. Dude. Perfect. Down there in Dallas, man. They said, hello. They're big fans of yours. Those are good dudes.

Good dudes. Super talented guys. Yeah. My kids love it. My kids absolutely love it. I told her a lot like you when it comes to just being like a good human being. Well, they seem like much better humans than me when I met him. I would just like to let that be known. But I told them that I watched their entire arena show through your Instagram stories one night.

I was like, hey, you guys are doing live shows, selling tickets. That's genius business stuff. I actually watched an entire show through Orlovsky's IG story. They go, Orlovsky! Orlovsky's a good guy! They all loved Orlovsky. So I think that's good news. You're in with them. I think your kids will think you're super popular now. We spend enough money on their memorabilia and the stuff that they sell,

so I would hope that I'd be in on it. Hey, they've got a good business going down there. They've got some smart people behind the scenes. Smart people. Well, I think also them, too. I mean, behind the scenes, I guess, give them credit. But, yeah, they are absolutely crushing it. Let's talk about you, Dan.

What are you looking forward to this draft? We were just chatting about it. The Trevon Walker to the number one overall pick chatter has really started up. Is it because we're 16 days away from the draft? Is it because people are seeing more upside, learning more about him? And what do we know about Aiden Hutchinson other than he's just the lock to be the number one overall pick, Dan Orlovsky? Yeah, so I can't speak like football-wise a ton about these guys.

I'm a quarterback, so I don't want to pretend to be something that I'm not. But I can tell you that I've called both Michigan and Georgia games this year. I actually called the first game of the season for Michigan this year, and then I think Michigan, Michigan-Penn State. Aidan Hutchinson, like, I, is an absolute freakazoid athlete. And athletically, I'm not saying he's Miles Garrett, but this dude's numbers when you watch his combine and then you watch the athleticism on tape,

from an offensive perspective, you sit there and you go, I have no idea what we're going to do with this guy pass blocking lines. You know, like can we really block him one-on-one? And the Walker conversation, it's interesting because, you know, I played – AJ, you played against that early 2000 Miami's team, the Miami Hurricanes. I don't know how old AJ is exactly. Yeah, 2002. Yeah, so I played against that team and went defensive they had like six guys seven guys go drafted in the first round

on defense right they were just out of this world and watching the Georgia tape this year I remember thinking to myself like they look like their early 2000 Miami's defense you couldn't do anything against them so I started making calls like to you know getting ready for the games I started making calls to people being like how many first rounders is Georgia gonna have from their defense this year and everybody coaches you know other people call their games are like they're gonna have like one maybe two and I was sitting there going how does a defense that dominant only have one or two and you know kind of the way they talked about it was the everybody's performance was so high that the the sum was greater than the individual parts at least in their eyes and um that kind of took me took me by surprise and then I think some of the numbers for some of these guys like Walker might be down stat wise I going to tell you the team, but I remember having a conversation with the coach

this year, getting ready to play them. And he was like, honestly, we're just going to try to run the ball, huddle, take as much time off the clock as we can, because we know we have no chance of success against them. Oh, that's awesome. What was your success rate against that Miami team in 0-2? Through the first touchdown pass of the season against them, no big deal. We went up 7-0 on the road. We lost 49-7. Hey, they were just waking up from the night before, it seemed like,

whenever you were. You know, they were just kind of. That defense was like Sean Taylor, God rest his soul, Kelly Jennings, Antro Roll, Jonathan Vilma, McDougal. That team was just – they were unbelievable. How'd you score a touchdown on them? You felt pretty good about yourself, huh? Yeah, through a seam route.

Through a seam route, no big deal. All right, let's talk about some quarterbacks. This draft class, I guess, is absolutely nothing, right? Is that what people are saying? Although I've seen you post some videos, I feel like you have a different perspective on these quarterbacks than maybe the overall conversation about them.

Now, a lot of these quarterbacks coming into the draft look a lot better now than they did before free agency to some of the teams that weren't able to score a veteran quarterback, I assume. That's why a lot of conversations happening. Are any of these guys plug-and-play day one in your eyes? And why has the conversation gone the way it's gone? I think the only guy that is probably plug and play would be Kenny Pickett.

And I don't think it's plug and play and play well. What about his hand size? What about his hand size? That ball can't hold a football. Yeah. Have you got just, you know, I love that conversation. What we're concerned about is hand size. Okay. And then watch him throw the ball and tell me if it's still a concern um i think here here's my take on some of these top guys i don't believe any of these guys are first round physical talents

outside of malik willis and even that is a risk i think that malik willis. And even that is a risk. I think that Malik Willis is a guy that, since he is so physically talented, and you watch his take, and you watch him make plays and throws that look like some of the young stars at that position in the NFL now, he's the only guy that has that. Now, he's also under 6'1", and that's going to give you hesitation. And for the crowd that tells me, well, Baker Mayfield was drafted one and Kyler Murray was drafted one, and they're short, sure. I think that there's probably some question marks out there about those guys on the football field.

So I think that gives you the hesitation of Willis. Obviously where he played is going to be a part of the conversation. Kenny Pickett is a lot like Sam Darnold without the interceptions. Yikes. Without the interceptions. Crazy talent athletically. Can make some really cool throws. My hesitation with Kenny Pickett is twofold.

Number one, Pitt ran the same play offensively like 50 times. Not 50, like 20 times a game. No, Whipple. No, he ran over to the sideline and got a new play call every single time. It may be a different formation, but it was the same play call. So you would expect him to do well in that, right? It's like his fifth year in college. You would expect him to do well in that. It's like his fifth year in college. You would expect him to do well. He's also

mechanically really poor. My question is if you're a four-year starter, how are you still mechanically that poor? Dan! What is the deal? I didn't know it was turning into a road session. Kenny Pickett stinks. Kenny Pickett's our guy. It's 4-1-2.

Three minutes ago, I said he's probably the plug-and-play guy. Yeah, but this is the sandwich thing. This is like to say something nice, wham, and then bang. It's my job to be honest, Pat. Why is his form trash, you think? That obviously means a lot on accuracy, consistency, longer game, longer season. These are all things that I assume start plugging in there once you start saying, well, his form is interesting.

Yeah, and I think that as a young player, you can get away with that stuff in the league for a short period of time, but to be consistently good, those are things that you're going to have to address. Tony Romo is my kind of comparison for Pickett, and Romo mechanically got a lot better as he got older in the NFL. Now, can you get better with that stuff for Kenny Pickett? Absolutely. But that's why I think those conversations with, you know, kind of the NFL are so important. Because, again, my question would be, why am I going to believe that you're going to get better at this stuff when you're a four-year starter and you haven't really gotten better at it?

I got to figure that out. Are you not doing it? Is it just your style? Is it when the live bullets come? All that kind of goes away. I want to figure that stuff out. And it, you know, it's not all that his situation for me is not all that different than like the Daniel Jones a couple years ago when he went six to the Giants. You know, there's a, there's a lot that you like about him, but then you go, okay, what's, what's the issue that's going to hold him back? And the issue that's going to hold him back is that mechanical stuff that makes him late. He misses throws.

He leaves pockets that are clean. He drifts in the pocket. Is he going to fix that? Because Daniel hasn't fixed his turnovers yet. Desmond Ritter is intriguing to me because Desmond Ritter is so advanced when it comes to quarterbacking in comparison to the other three or four guys. He is by far the best when he knows, okay, I break the huddle. This is my play. I've got to be ready to get into this check and the run or change this protection.

This is the coverage. This is where I've got to go with the football. So he's by far the best, and that's probably the guy you feel most comfortable with. Isn't that what we're looking for? Well, but no, not in the NFL anymore, Pat. That's the thing. Like in the last like two or three years, it's flipped, man. Like because, you know, I used to be the guy.

Here's the thing. Like if you look at the young stars at that position in the NFL, it is Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert. These guys are physically freaks of nature. I mean, they're monsters

physically. They've got massive arms, but then they have the intellectual aspect, and then they have the off-the-charts athleticism. Ritter doesn't have the massive arm and the big kind. He's long and lean rather than this big 6'5", 240-pound guy. It's the way you say it, I think. I think it's the way you say it.

What? He can get better at the deep ball. There's a way to paint it in there as opposed to being like, well, listen, Ritter got a baby arm. That's what you just said. That's what you just said. That's what you just said about him. I like Ritter.

I do. Oh, yeah. Sure. Are you going to take him and give him $30 million with the six pick? Me? Yeah. I'm on GM. Sorry.

That's not the first round pick this year. So if you're a GM, if you're the Carolina Panthers and you have the sixth pick and you know you've got to play against Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford and Kyler Murray. Tom Brady. And those are only the guys in the NFC. Do you feel great about that? James.

James Winston. Tom Brady. Mariota. Marcus Mariota. Tom Brady. Do you feel great about that? That's your question. Like with the second round pick, I feel a lot better about it.

With the sixth pick of the draft, I'm picking you to be an absolute rock star. And that's where I think you get hung up with these guys. Other than Malik Willis, he's the only one that has where i think you get hung up with guys these guys other than malik willis he's the only one that has physical traits that you go i can't coach that god aj sorry about it then i saw a thing where malik willis was i believe he was pressured more than pretty much anybody in college and he had to you know bail out of the pocket and scramble and make plays is that if you were a gm would that worry you that he doesn't have enough reps just standing in the pocket and hitching and slinging it?

Northern Iowa, Kurt Warner. Boom. No, because I think the situations when they presented themselves on a relatively consistent basis, he did that. I think that's why guys like Malik are relatively difficult evaluations. Matt Corral from Ole Miss is in this as well as Sam Howell from Carolina. These offenses are very much so play with tempo, get to the line of scrimmage. We're going to call a play.

It's more often than not going to be relatively a quick game or one pass or one read, an RPO. We're going to throw hitches and shots. or one read an RPO, we're going to throw hitches and shots. And I don't think that, you know, those guys, that's what those coaches did that was best for the offense. I don't think it's necessarily the best for the player. It's best for their collegiate offense.

And I think that when, you know, Malik Willis, if you watch the tape and you see it presented, you go, oh, he's going from one to two there. Like, yeah, okay, he realizes the safety goes over the top, so he takes the whole shot. I think that for the small body of work that he was asked to do that stuff or demanded to do that stuff, I thought he did it relatively well. I don't want to say this as, actually, I could have played probably multiple positions at the level that Liberty is at so i will say this wide open he played against terrible football players right

i mean is that even a thought i mean that is the big thing in pittsburgh because steelers allegedly in the quarterback market maybe uh tolman was visiting with everyone in classic mark madden liberty biberty who is he playing against it's funny is no but can you is there things you can take away from the film? Like the level? Is that not something that I assume a lot of people are taking into place? And that's not Malik Willis' fault because he wasn't recruited properly. The guy's a stud. We saw him at the Combine and everything like that. But that has to be some sort of drawback, right?

Or is there some place that you can kind of pick through that? No, yeah. It absolutely is a part of the way you're looking at it. I think you have to start with when you were at auburn because he started at auburn you know why couldn't you get on the field you know what and politics might play its part i don't know i think that's part of the conversation you have to ask is what kept you off the field at auburn within the sec and politics do happen by the way that does happen they do. Especially in college football nowadays when, hey, you're the number, you're the pick and we paid you this much money to come.

If I don't play you, you are the more highly recruited player. But if I don't play you, then you're going to leave. So I'll play you and I'll just lose this guy who I think might be good, but you're more important, all that stuff. So I think that's got to be part of your question. Here's my thing. I always say this. I want to watch what it looks like rather than kind of the end result of it.

The end result is so dependent on all the other moving parts. You know, when you're playing quarterback, I want to know when Malik Willis drops back here, I'm going to go get – hang on, give me 10 seconds, Patrick. Uh-oh. What the hell is going on?-oh. DoorDash. I can tell you with Malik Willis. Oh!

You just got your notebook? It's a book out, Patrick. We thought it was DoorDash, dude. We thought it was DoorDash. I'm not. I don't have it. It's not like Epstein's. I can tell you with Malik Willis. It's not like Epstein's. Yeah. So, like, I can tell you what Malik Willis, you know, when he plays against, you know, Troy, you're going, okay, you should be dominant. I want to see you be dominant.

I want to see you be the reason your team wins the football game, and he does that. When they play against Old Dominion, competitions stink, but I need you to be dominant. All right, so when you played against Syracion, competitions stink, but I need you to be dominant. All right, so when you played against Syracuse, how did you play? I got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Seven plays that I charted as NFL difference-making plays. Oh!

That's ACC. UAB. Dino Baker. UAB, good defense. Very good college defense. You should play well. He did. Middle Tennessee, you should dominate.

ULM, very good defense. Very good college defense. You should play well. He did. Middle Tennessee, you should dominate. ULM, very good defense. I got one, two, three, four, five, six big-time plays. North Texas, UMass, you should dominate. Ole Miss, when everyone says, well, he struggled against Ole Miss, I'm sitting there going, the first play of the game was really good. 18, 26, 30, 35, 40, 45, 75, 84. Two minutes. good 18 26 30 35 40 45 75 84 two minutes like these teams what's an nfl play how's that separate itself for you what's an nfl play look like um i think it's got to be first of all athletically you know do you do something athletically that i sit there and i go you you made this defender

miss or you outran the defense or you got yourself out of trouble when your offensive line sucked and you threw the ball 50 yards downfield and i don't care if the guys wide open but does if the defender's in very good coverage is that more than likely still going to be a completion you know that that's part of it for me aj you know do you see the covers rotate and know where to throw the football and then do you throw it with like the right hitch and timing and tempo and trajectory and all those things that I sit there and I go, yeah, I watched Justin Herbert make that throw. Or I watch a Patrick make that throw. And it's got to look like those guys. And I think that's probably, you know, that's why I think the thing that allows Malik Willis to stand out is I don't know if I can count on one hand. I don't know. I can tell you this. Matt Corral does not have five of those plays.

I'm not taking shots at Matt Corral. He doesn't have five of those plays. Kenny Pickett probably has, you know, somewhere around eight to 10, maybe, maybe, uh, Ritter probably somewhere in that, in that number range where Malik has got two plays every game like that. Okay. All right. So you watch every single play of all these guys' season last year? I watched every single play so far of Malik, Kenny Pickett, Ritter, Corral, and Howell.

Okay, so this is what you're doing in the offseason right now? Just studying the next generation of quarterbacks? And then are you thinking to yourself, these guys kind of stink compared to what's going on in the NFL right now? Because I feel like we've gotten very lucky with young quarterbacks hitting. I mean, Mac Jones seemed like a 14-year vet last year whenever he was playing. Joey Burrow, I think his first year he played really good, got hurt. Everybody's like, ah, that's a guy.

Second year, he takes him to the fucking Super Bowl. Like in the wide receiver department as well, there's been a lot of young guys who have done well. Are we just getting lucky with a couple of classes, or do you think there is going to be a lot of younger quarterbacks that kind of step in and play well? Probably both, but I think it's a little bit more of those players being very special. I mean, Joe Burrow, the way he was raised, the kind of the trials and tribulations

and the challenges he went through, that helped him. Herbert staying for four years and kind of grooming his ability. I think that some of these players You know they've Learned how important it is to Go through the difficulty Of stuff and to use it to You know make them better players candidly I think next year's quarterback class coming Out of college is going to be just as good as this past

One I think the C.J. Stroud kid from Ohio State Bryce Young Caleb Williams from USC I think those that's why I think, like if you're the Detroit Lions at two, are you sitting there going, Malik Willis, we cannot pass on him. This is the no-brainer. Or do you sit there and like be honest about your football team. We'll be top five again next year.

We suck. We're Detroit. Got to get a start. Well, yeah, like be honest about your football team we're not there yet we're just in phase two of the rebuild and i think these other three kids come in at least are going to be just as good if not better that's the and i think that's where these general managers are are interesting right now is because again if you look at if you're an an afc general manager and you know that you have to play against those five absolute rock stars that are young,

you've got to go find yourself a rock star, man. You can't find a good player. Yeah, that's why you get Matt Ryan. That's why you get Matt Ryan out of Atlanta. I don't want to ask you about how you think Matt Ryan's going to do. I know you think he's going to be great. I know that's the case, right? Because you're a big brain guy.

You're the ESPN quarterback guru. You think Matt Ryan found a perfect home here in Indianapolis, but let's talk about, you think he's unbelievable. He can make every single throw. He's going to make that team better. That's what Dan Orlovsky has been saying. I heard it. I appreciate it. You don't have to get back into it yet again. There was a stat that came out from CBS Sports yesterday that was interesting. The last 16 quarterbacks who lose the Super Bowl in their first appearance never made it back to the Super Bowl. Joey Burrow is obviously

somebody that debunks a lot of different theories and myths, including taking the Cincinnati Bengals from a four-win team to the fucking Super Bowl. I mean, it is unbelievable what he's been able to accomplish. And you talk about his trial

and his tribulations. Who are some of the quarterbacks you think they'll be able to... Like, Josh Allen has to make a play right at this like at some point josh allen's gonna make it to the super bowl and they change in rules because of how good josh allen is and you talk about joey burrow you talk about lamar jacks you talk about patrick mahomes mac jones was somebody who left off the list but he's unbelievable the afc right now who's gonna win the most you think out of those who's to be the representative 10 years from now that we look back and we're like, they held down the AFC?

Or do you think it will be a parity-driven conference over the next 10 years? I do think it'll be about parity. I think the Buffalo Bills, as it sits right now, we'll see what happens in the draft, are the team to beat in the NFL, certainly, obviously, in the AFC. I think that the really interesting team that could throw a whole wrench in this is Kansas City. I got into this a little bit the other day. I think they're the most fascinating team in the NFL draft.

I mean, this is a team that's gone to four straight AFC title games, and they lost their defensive leader and their second-best player, and they had two number-one picks, two number-two picks, two number-three picks, and two number four picks. I understand that the draft is about misses, but, you know, out of those eight picks, I think all eight of those picks are in the top, I want to say, like, 120 players in the draft. I mean, if they get five really good players,

they're the team to beat for the next half dozen years because they got the best coach, the best offensive line, and the best quarterback. That's good. You know, and that's why I said I think that, you know, Kansas City's draft has got a chance to be not only franchise altering but NFL altering because let's say they hit on a bunch of those draft picks. That is now going to be the formula for organizations.

All right, we got a young superstar quarterback. Let's pay him a bunch of money. Now we got to find our one piece that we feel we can flip for a bunch of picks to rebuild our roster. Dane, are the Dolphins going to win the Super Bowl and Tua win the MVP this year? There we go. No.

Tyreek? Whoa! Jesus! Dane, what's that all about? No. Tyreek. Whoa. Jesus. Dang. What's that all about? Put him on cock mountain, dude. What's that about? This guy.

Why no hope for the Dolphins? They're turning that whole place around down there. I mean, saying is there hope for the Dolphins and asking me if two is going to win the MVP in the Super Bowl aren't necessarily the same thing. Playoffs. Play thing. Playoffs. Playoffs. Playoffs. Two is probably winning the MVP.

That's right. I would tell you this, and this is not going to go over exceedingly well, but I'll tell you this. I would be more willing to bet on the Dolphins making the playoffs given what the odds would be, Pat. You know the gambling world better than I, than New England. Oh. You son of a bitch.

Why is that? Oh. Oh. Oh. Dead. I think that – I think the world of Mike McDaniel, their new head coach, I think Tyreek Hill is a huge get. I think their offensive line is going to be a lot better than it has been.

Their defense will still be stacked. I get concerned with New England and who in the fudge is calling their plays? I don't get what New England's doing. I don't understand that they don't have a person on their

offensive staff that's ever called a play in the NFL to my knowledge. That gives me big time hesitation about what they're going to get done. I saw you talk about that, how that was your most alarming thing happening in the NFL was who's going to be the offense coordinator. And you talked about the people who have been in the ear of the other young quarterbacks who have done very well. Didn't Mac Jones teach Bill O'Brien the offense at Alabama and then he taught Cam Newton the offense? Isn't it just Bill Belichick and Mac Jones making this whole thing happen next year?

That's alarming to you, you think? I'm pretty sure Steve Sarkeesian called the plays for Mac Jones at Alabama. No, you're an absolute asshole. Listen, do a little more research, please. I'm pretty sure it was Steve Sarkeesian.

He taught the offense to Bill O'Brien, dude. Yeah, I mean, teaching the offense and then calling plays are very different. Bill Belichick. Yeah, Bill Belichick's calling the plays. All right. Well, I mean, maybe I'll be proven wrong in that. I'm just telling you. Would you feel great if Kyle Shanahan became the defensive coordinator of the 49ers?

I think there would be a reason. I assume he knows. That guy knows how to call offensive. But it is interesting that he's taking that approach. I would assume that Mack knows who's going to be calling plays right now, right? They know, you would think. I would imagine, unless they have something else in the works that we just don't know about that's going to get put together later. I don't know. But I still can't sit here and say I feel good about that.

If it was anybody else but New England, I'd be like, they have absolutely no shot. But it still gives me a massive amount of concern that a quarterback in his second year without a dominant wide receiver is going into a season. And the play caller doesn't have the kind of experience of actually calling plays within a game. The type of amateur bullshit you guys write about. Go ahead, Tom. I mean, the coach that might be calling plays called quarterback sneak on third and ten this year.

Joe Judge, he was trying to get the punter into the game. Please, have a little respect for the flow of the game. I mean, the coach that might be calling plays called quarterback sneak on third and ten this year. Joe Judge, he was trying to get the punter into the game. Please have a little respect for the flow of the game. Dan, Pat's super pumped. The Colts may draft Sam Howell because he's very similar to Baker Mayfield. Is he actually very similar to Baker Mayfield or just look similar? Probably looks similar, but also I would tell you this short stocky massive arm um he's way more athletic than baker though way more athletic than baker i don't think he's got as um elite ball placement as baker um but a much more athletic pause uh and much more athletic

player yeah dude but baker was you know he was thrown with a sling last year. That's right. He's going to be all the way back. You know what I mean? The police officer did catch him. Well, that's what I was thinking immediately whenever he said he's more athletic. I'm like, well, Sam Howell gets away from that cop. Probably jumps up onto that brick wall and he's out of there.

But they're a little boozed up. Who knows what Sam Howell would be thinking at that time. Dan, we can't thank you enough for joining us, buddy. We appreciate you. Who's winning the Super Bowl next year? I'll tell you at that time. Dan, we can't thank you enough for joining us, buddy. We appreciate you. Who's winning the Super Bowl next year? I'll tell you after the draft. Doesn't matter. These young kids don't care.

They don't matter. These kids don't matter. Look at the teams that win. It's all vets. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Good point. Two years ago, the Kansas City Chiefs kind of proved that wrong. Three years ago, but.

Nah, but Patrick Mahomes, like, 10 years in the NFL after his first year, he sat for a year. They're just boom, boom, boom. All the vets win. That's all that matters. Trade every pick away. Who cares about any of these rookies? Literally.

What do you think the Packers are going to do? Well, as I said, it's going to get interesting. Everybody thinks they're going to move. Ty, what do you think? They better draft a fucking wide receiver, Dan. I'll tell you that much. But they tend to zig when everyone else zags. So we'll see.

I think they need to get two. I think they need to get two. Who's the, who'd be the one receiver you want them to get? I don't know. We'll see who's available. I mean, I'd love one of the Ohio state guys, you know, Keenan Allen or Julio Jones. Yeah. Yeah. The vets would be faster. Keenan Allen. How about DK Metcalf? I saw D but say he would never trade a 10 overall for DK Metcalf. And I assume that's because you can, these younger wide receivers have really proven themselves to be great and they're not as expensive. Is that what he's thinking, you think?

Yeah, I mean, if you told me Garrett Wilson or D.K. Metcalf I'd probably, I'd tell you Garrett Wilson. If you told me D.K. Metcalf or like Drake London from USC, I think I'd go D.K. Metcalf because I think they're both similar players. I just have seen DK do it in the NFL

and I don't know. The Drake London kid reminds me a lot of DeAndre Hopkins a little bit. I don't know if he's going to be as good as Hop, but he reminds me a lot. Give me that guy. We would like Duke. Dan, we appreciate you.

We'll check you out on ESPN every single day. You crush it. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Come on, Dan. There appreciate you. We'll check you out on ESPN every single day. You crush it. You're the best. Ladies and gentlemen, Dan Orlovsky. Come on, Dan. If you open your Twitter right now, Dan Snyder is trending everywhere. And although we tried to learn as much as we possibly could when this was initially reported, it feels like more and more has been sent from the Oversight Committee to the Federal Trade Commission, the FTC.

So the Oversight Committee has been doing an investigation, and they've got a guy named Friedman, who's the former vice president of the Washington football team, to testify about everything that has been happening. So not only was their money being hid from other NFL owners in the RevShare Department of Ticket Sales. They were hiding that money in college games and other events. So whenever he was initially reported that the juice goes to Navy Notre Dame,

Navy Notre Dame would play at FedEx Field, but money that was stolen from ticketing that was in NFL games would then be allocated to there so that the NFL couldn't get their hands on it because it was a college football game. I guess that happened with a lot of different events and ticket sales. So the initial reports were that two different books were coming out.

So Snyder and the Washington football team, through their history, they had their book that they probably had to run through the goddamn government taxes and everything. Then there was a book that they would present to the NFL about money that was made, and that was wrong. They were skimming, I guess, money out of that so they didn't have to share as much with the entire NFL ownership.

If what we are reading from this investigation is accurate, I assume Snyder will have an answer, and Snyder's probably going to have to sell his team quickly after all this shit comes out because also it is being reported that they would make it impossible for people to get their security deposits back which were multiple thousands of dollars people would have to put down to buy their season tickets i guess there was direct reporting or direct directing from snyder to make it impossible for people to get their security deposits back like i don't accept it via email they have to do all these other things

so they would get people's security deposits and then make it impossible for people to get back after they got their season tickets. So that was allegedly like $5 million worth of shit. So not only are they bamboozling other owners, now they're potentially fucking over their fans. And I would assume there's other stuff that's going to come to light. Snyder's trending right now. And it is worse than I think any of us thought it was financially, even though morally all the exposés that came out would lead us to believe that they would be fucking over their business owners or business partners if they could, AJ. It is only a matter of time, it feels like, before the commanders are under new ownership.

Absolutely. It feels like if any of this is true, then how does he keep the team? But is this a criminal investigation, or is this just civil right now? Where are we? I'm not 100% sure how this entire investigation began. I wonder if it all came from the exposés about what was going on behind closed doors and their culture and

environment. And then that just kind of led them to this and other reports and investigations. Was he subpoenaed? This guy subpoenaed by somebody to go testify? The Oversight Committee, I do believe. The Congressional Oversight Committee, is that what by somebody to go testify? The Oversight Committee, I do believe. The Congressional Oversight Committee, is that what it's called? Yeah. The Oversight Committee that the former Washington Commanders Vice President,

Jason Friedman, told the Oversight Committee that the Commanders had two sets of books and intentionally allocated NFL revenue to non-NFL events at FedEx Field. Concerts, college games, etc. So it wouldn't be part of the NFL's revenue sharing pool. This comes from a tweet. The U.S. House Oversight Committee has sent a 20-page letter to the Federal Trade Commission saying the Washington Commanders and owner Daniel

Snyder may have engaged in a troubling, long-running, and potentially unlawful pattern of financial conduct. So, you know, morally, what was being talked about in that building was terrible. Right. Okay?

Absolutely terrible. Business ethics, I think, were all fucked up in the way you operate. But once it gets into the finances as well as that, I mean, it feels like it's only a matter of time, but I guess he was really running quite a fucking racket over there, which makes sense with what everybody else was saying about how the building was run as a whole, you know? But he's screwing over the other owners.

He's screwing over the people you can't mess with. Yeah. What's that? This dude's a scumbag, it sounds like. I mean, isn't that what people have been saying forever? I feel like, does anyone stand up and defend Dan Snyder when it comes to anything? We have never. Okay, I'll say something about anybody, basically, on this show.

Negative. And I'll get somebody that'll send me, like, hey, actually good dude or whatever. You know, like depending on who it is. It could be long. I mean, we talk about a lot of stuff on this show. But it'll be from all different genres, all different fields, top to bottom. I'll get somebody, if somebody says something negative

and they'll go like, hey, actually pretty good dude. I don't think we have ever. No. Ever. I don't think I've ever heard anybody be like, hey, actually, pretty good dude. I don't think we have ever. No. Ever. I don't think I've ever heard anybody be like, started actually a pretty good guy. Kind of misunderstood. Feels like everybody fucking hates the guy.

And I would assume it's because of shit like this. Here's a tweet from Warren Sharp. Whoa, this is big, he says. For the last decade, since 2012, Dan Snyder has underreported ticket revenue per the investigation. He raised prices and categorized surplus revenue as bogus licensing fees related to concerts, college football games to prevent sharing with other owners. So this is the juice that he was putting on what he was telling them they were selling tickets for.

That whole 55 and 44 I don't think was the actual numbers. Feels like the NFL numbers were probably much different because NFL tickets are differently. Then they would just take that money and put it to somewhere else. So they didn't even have to talk about it. Wow. Wow. And all these other business owners, all these other billionaires, all these other cutthroat motherfuckers that hire the best negotiators on earth, by the way, the NFL, that's why you have 31 billionaires, uh, lawyers and negotiators going against the NFLPA. So normally they're going to win. Think about all the other owners going, Snyder, you don't think we could have all fucking done this, you motherfucker?

You don't think we all haven't had this thought? You think you're smarter than all of us, you piece of shit? They'll probably be offended that we had talked about doing this to you and we would never do this like this is something that we are in a league together because of it and this is how the dominoes start to fall quicker i think for the nfl saying hey snyder get the fuck out of here if that is what the nfl wants to do and if all this is true which i guess we definitely have to put on the end of this entire thing but what about with dan snyder so when like the whole revenue sharing thing he's hiding revenue from i would imagine he's already bringing in what some of the he's he's contributing hit the percentage of the sales from game day for him it's got to be on the low end of the spectrum when you

look at the nfl from top to bottom right well i don't know they have a massive yeah it's huge but they tarp off the whole top area because it's too big. Oh, I didn't know they were doing that. Are they doing that? I'm saying if you have that, they have done that. I don't know if they still do that, but he's already putting in a small amount, I would imagine. And then he's lying about that and contributing less because he's skimming off the top other money. That's why.

How could they not be pissed? So we've been a part of some rev share situations with people. How could they not be pissed? So we've been a part of some rev share situations with people. And it is, that is, I understand that in theory it's a great idea. Like what? What kind of rev share have you been a part of? No, just like in our business. Like most people get some sort of rev share too when they get new advertisers.

And in this podcast world, they get in there. Whenever you do a rev share, there has to be a lot of transparency. Like there has to be a lot of transparency. There has to be a lot of transparency. And believe it or not, not everybody is as transparent as you would think with all of their books. Because if they're not buttoned up completely and you happen to have a guy that understands the numbers pretty well, which we have a goddamn shark in Phil. I mean, Phil is so damn good at what he does. And he knows it.

By the way, we're lucky to have him. But that involves a lot of transparency. There's probably full pitch decks, by the way, that Friedman had to do to the other money people in the rev share situation on how their ticketing's going. This is the amount of money that they've made. This is how it's sold. And I would assume that everybody in there is like,

well, they're not going to just completely. I mean, that's a lot of shit. That's like running're not going to just completely. I mean, that's a lot of shit. That's like running another book is a lot of, I mean, that's a full, you got to do a whole nother full-time job basically doing that. A lot of work, a lot of added stress too to your job. I can't imagine.

Yeah, so you would assume that the other NFL owners though and their people, their money people are just assuming that, hey, we're not cooking an entire fake book here. You know, like you would assume. You would assume. you would assume that that's not the case. Yeah. Yeah. Because I would wonder if any of them have enough time to like, let's go over Washington's numbers again. What did they say they made? They probably get audited all the time, though, don't they? Well, the audit would come from the government then, right? Yeah. But I would imagine a guy like Dan Snyder in Washington,

they would they would choose to audit him as much as they could yeah but they had a government book so that one was oh yeah so they man this goes deep this we're gonna find out a lot yeah so this is a government they have a government book so the irs like okay we know the irs will dive in and not give a fuck like so we gotta have our actual shit there rps and qs he's. He's probably like, hey, I don't want to go to jail. I'll go to jail for that. I don't want to mess with them, but I can screw over the other owners. Yeah, our presented books to the NFL are going to be a little bit, hey. Just a little bit.

Just a little different. Just a little different. I'm sure they justify it. Don't you think he justifies it? All these people getting $4 billion to build a new stadium. I can't even get a new stadium. I got poop pipes bursting. I got nothing. Like, I'm sure he justifies it in his own way yeah well or maybe

he is just what everybody says yeah just a huge i would love to know like i would love to know people that know him well and say like what does this dude really like well it sounds like we do know you know allegedly a lot of allegedly's though i mean there has been a lot of this guy stinks this guy stinks this guy's the worst Oh my god worst human of all time How the fuck does he have his job Why is this guy the owner of a team right now that has a lot of fan base Oh their entire fans fucking hate him too

Nobody likes this guy Does anybody like this guy? Nope He's going to continue to keep cooking the books though And fucking everybody over until he gets his last dollar of his day Well then you look at a guy like Jason Wright too It's like how He can't do his job. Like, he's not going to be successful.

He's got no shot. You're fighting this battle while the fucking owner is screwing over the entire fan base, like, right underneath your nose. Like, feel bad for him, kind of. Let's go to the security deposit stuff. Zito said he has a little bit more information on this. According to information and documents obtained by the Oversight Committee, House Oversight Committee, who's doing an investigation,

for over a decade, commander's executives may have withheld millions of dollars in refundable security deposits owed to customers upon the expiration of their multi-year seat leases and may have taken steps

to prevent customers from collecting these deposits. According to a former team executive, the commanders failed to properly refund those security deposits intentionally and took various steps to retain as much of that money as possible. Documents indicate that as of 2016, the team may

have retained up to $5 million in deposits from approximately 2,000 different customers. Now, that's, they have like a 90,000, I think their stadium holds like 90,000 people. So, from 2,000 people, they got about $5 million worth of deposits, allegedly. Now, how do you make it impossible for people to get their security deposits back? Well, there's only one particular way to get paid. You've got to go through these hoops. You've got to do this. You've got to do this.

You've got to do that. Probably a few thousand dollars from everybody. I mean, we could do some quick math over the years. However, 2,000 people, $5 million, however many years, somebody can figure that out. But to the people that are probably buying these seat leases and buying season tickets that couple thousand bucks i don't say it gets forgotten about but it probably does just become something like oh i got to do this i got to do this i got to do this got to do this and i got to do this they probably just think i'll deal with it later i'll deal with it later and they never do and like snyder's like probably taking advantage of their uh emotions there yeah and who is going to re-up or all of a sudden buy season tickets to Washington now?

Who is going to become a new fan? Are you going to pick anybody up? Now listen, what if this is all a lie though? What if Snyder's just sitting there, what, I wish we would have done that. What if I could do that? We just weren't selling it for as much as everybody. What if it is a disgruntled employee,

which is what everybody's describing Friedman as, who's the former vice president of the team who is now, you know, handing basically everything over? Did he have to speak to whoever, the FTC, whoever? Yeah, like, would he be lying to the committee? Yeah, like, isn't that a crime? People have lied before. For sure.

It'd be one thing if this was the only thing ever to come out about Dan Snyder. Yeah, you're right. And be like, oh, this guy's, guy's but i mean this is a i would just i would just like to you know say that we have to say this is all alleged yeah right because they're presenting to the ftc on whether or not to present a case and go for it or not but snyder's dead in the water it sounds like yeah and this could be like a pretty quick turnaround right because couldn't like not allegedly but could they just go to the other owners who are bidding currently on the Broncos and be like, hey, you're not going to get this,

but also we're going to put this team up for sale? No, they would have to open it back up. Okay. Because there's probably people, like everybody thought Bezos wanted to own the Washington team because the Washington Post is in there and everything like that. But Bezos probably wants to own a team on a beach. The guy's on a fucking yacht every day.

Yeah, true. You know, so I would assume they would open it back up because these teams don't really go up for sale often. No. So they'd be able to turn it from a very negative situation, which is what it currently sounds like, into a super positive, like, hey, here we go. We got a new team for sale.

But, I mean, that is, they've been trying to get this dude out for, you know, being an asshole for a long time. This one would have to be it, right? But this is, there's memes on the internet, actually. Dan Snyder does something. Everybody says, oh, they're going to fucking force him to sell a team.

And then it's like two months later, Dan Snyder sitting above the poop pipes that are bursting still owning the team. You know, like he seems to be like a cockroach, always surviving. The other owners, I bet the other owners, maybe some of them actually like having Dan Snyder.

Okay, he takes all the heat. No one comes after us in any decision we make. Yeah, what if other teams are doing this? Oh, fuck. Hey. Hey. One book, one book. Fix it.

Fix it. Can the NFL own the team? Huh? If they can't find a person to buy right away, can the NFL own it? So like a purgatory situation before the next owner? Yeah. The NBA did that with the Lakers. The NHL did it with the Coyotes. It gets murky, though. Yeah, because then who's making the decision? Or maybe not the next owner. The NBA did that with the Lakers. The NHL did it with the Coyotes. It gets

murky, though. Yeah, because then who's making the decision? Or maybe not the Lakers. Clippers? No. Whoever rejected the Chris Paul trade. The Chris Paul trade was rejected because the NBA owned that team at the time. Well, think about

because Snyder has had his wife go to all these meetings right he tried to pivot away from it's not dad's team anymore yeah it's his wife it's his wife's team yeah this is him though like fucking over the other owners yes like there's no way they're just gonna be like ah it's just dan like at this point it's but we don't know what happens in a one per club meeting like we have no idea let me get big jim jim from jimmy with the cold song well that would also make sense why you know with like the previous one we're like oh he's got to be done

like it was a personal thing with just him it didn't really affect anyone else in the league other than like you know it bad pr wise but they're like oh yeah that's just snyder being a piece of shit but when it's something like this where it's like oh no this directly affects all of us you you would think that they'd be like all right let's get this guy the fuck out of here do you think every owner just has a red phone around you know and it just it's ringing right now and it's roger goodale you motherfuckers and jerry jones like that son of a bitch was stealing from us what are we gonna fucking sell that thing and then like jim mercy brothers i've been telling you like, this is going to be happening. And then fucking, uh,

uh, David Tepper or whatever, the richest guy, you poor broke bastards, letting this guy do this to you for a decade. Like what? I mean that conversation, the next conversation by all the owners after all this shit comes out.

And maybe they already know all this, by the way, maybe they've already done the entire, you know, maybe that's what the one per club meeting was. And maybe that's why Mark Davis was so like, yeah, I would like everything to come out. We have no idea what the other NFL owners already know about.

Right. We have no clue. It would be interesting to see if they, if there had been like suspicions over the years that came in, something's something's going on there with their books. Like if, if there's, if there was like rumors out there over the years. Hey, we should have C out there over the years. We should have CFO Phil calling right now.

Yeah. Ask him, how do you do this? Yeah, like how much fucking work? Hey. I'm texting him. He's running. Running somewhere. He probably is running right now. He's got a fucking marathon.

But if they sell a name change or what? I know, right? New brand? Oh, jeez. Football team. Just right now. He's got a fucking marathon. But if they sell a new name change or what? I know, right? New brand? Oh, jeez. Football team. Just right back. Go back. Football team? You gotta get a new stadium to buy them. Hey, we're live.

We're live. Quick question. How hard would it be to run two different books, honestly? Because this is coming out that the commanders did this. Is this like an immense amount of work and the person that outed them was just sick and tired of all the exhaustion you think possibly yeah we'd have to have teams of people i imagine no but they said only a couple people knew about it because of how uh you know how a rat bastard want people snitching yeah yeah take that extra money they were stealing and pay the extra people to run the books.

Ah. He's already got fucking money. Put it back into the business, you know? Ah. All right. Appreciate you, dude. Hey, how's it going back there? I knew you were alive.

I wanted to answer. All right. Well, you gave us great stuff. Thank you, Phil. So that's what Phil's going to do to us later. Yeah, sounds like it. All right. He's already got a plan.

Got to reinvest in the company. He was an accountant, you know, at an accounting firm beforehand. Just low. I mean, he had to do the terrible shit and read through it all. I guess, like, you know, tax stuff happens in a lot of places. And, like, money stuff happens in a lot of places and like money stuff happens in a lot of different places that you wouldn't even expect it or whatever. And it just never,

you never win. Like you always have a little bit of a run. It feels like nobody ever wins longterm when it comes to the cash stuff ever, ever. It feels like don't mess with the IRS. I know that. So there's gotta be something. You can't mess with,

can't fuck with the IRS at all, by the way.'s gotta be something. Can't mess with, can't fuck with the IRS at all, by the way. Yeah. People do. People, all of them come catch me. Good luck. All right.

That's not smart. Get the fuck. They will. They will get you. How come every person, by the way, I think you and me, maybe because of how lucky we were to get paid the amount of money we were

paid at the age we were paid. And then in our checks, it lays out exactly where all the money's going it's like hey i know they say follow the money but like for real the government is gonna that is literally all they look at it feels like as you get older and older i can't believe snyder was able to pull this roof over all the other nfl owners who are supposed to be the most cutthroat business people well and what do you think it's just because it's like five million bucks in the grand scheme of things.

Like you said, if you're a billionaire, that's probably not something that you're fucking, you know, like, oh, whoa, what's going on here? You probably thought it was a small enough amount where it was like, hey, this will just slip through the cracks and no one will ever care. And the way you can present it is like, yeah, tickets are down a little bit because of everything. We don't have a team name.

We don't have a brand. We're in an overturn. We've stunk in 20 years. But we're still optimistic about we were stealing though you're stealing from the other owners no absolutely but i'm saying how they present the fake numbers to oh yeah absolutely yeah i'm sure they had a whole plan on how they yeah obviously it's been working for how many years 10 years 10 years it had to be more than 10 years though right i mean probably woke up one day in 2012 was like i'm fucking tired of paying what everybody else is paying let's keep

this like does that i guess that does happen it can't happen or did somebody present him What happened? He woke up one day in 2012 and was like, I'm fucking tired of paying what everybody else is paying. Let's keep this. Like, does that – I guess that does happen. It can't happen. Or did somebody present him and say, hey, you know what we could do is – or maybe he saw like a Bernie Madoff documentary. Maybe Office Space. That ended well. Maybe he saw Office Space. Yeah.

Maybe he saw Office Space. You know, there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things that maybe he watched that gave him the idea. Just like a fraction of a penny, right? Yeah. That he just office space. You know, there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things that maybe he watched that gave him the idea. Just like a fraction of a penny, right? That he just kept stealing. Well, that's what phone companies do that. You know? Phone companies do that type of shit.

A carrier fee will be an extra $2, $2.50 this month. And it's like, is it around the amount? Yeah, it's around the amount. I probably spent a little bit more. I'll use a little bit more. And they're collecting like $2.50 from 20 million people every single month all of a sudden. And that's not going anywhere, by the way. That's the new baseline. And then a couple months later, I think it was another $1.50. Boom. Bang, bang. They could just kind of scoop it if it's a little bit amount.

That's why there was, what's that company like? Truebill or whatever? Yeah. Yes. All your subscriptions that you have that are auto pay that they tell you, like, hey, are you sure? It's like, no, get me out of there. Because there's like a $2, $3 subscription that you have you don't even think about. And in the NFL, when they're signing $110 billion deals and it's off $7 to $10 million or whatever, and you can just say, well, we're going through these exposés

and we don't even have a team name. I assume the NFL is like, yeah, yeah, sure. Good luck. Come on. Let's get it back together there. And they just move along because these are humans at the end of the day, even though they operate like absolute savages. Yeah, but whoever buys this Washington team, if they have to sell it, they're going to somehow get some kind of guarantee for a new stadium, aren't they?

They would have to. And then also, that's a good call about them having a new name. There's already rumors of them building a new stadium or looking at areas. They would have to. FIFA for the World Cup? Is that what you're saying? Before that even. So FIFA builds all these stadiums in all these countries?

Or these countries have to build all these stadiums? Like Qatar right now, are they paying for all those stadiums? I assume the countries are paying. Yeah, it has to be. Maybe. Yeah, because they're getting all the business from the World Cup, so you would think they'd be footed with the bill. All those Olympic places and World Cup places,

all those stadiums become literally homes to macaques. Macaques live in them. Greece. A bunch of homeless people live in Athens now in those stadiums. Yeah. Really? Yeah, macaques too. They become like jungles in some of those places.

I would love to see an abandoned Olympic stadium with a bunch of macaques and see who is the top of the heap. I've seen it. It's on a documentary somewhere. Oh, they really did take over one of those old stadiums? Yeah, there's animal kingdoms in some of these old stadiums. Legit. We should go to go tour that.

I forget. Somewhere. Make some money if we could get a tour guide and take us through. Yeah, down in Brazil, they have a lot of that as well. I think it might have been Brazil, actually. For the Olympics, yeah. The Zika gun. Sochi?

Sochi's also a ghost town. It is. Tony Geography. Hey, are you ready? We're getting to a break. We're getting to a break. And then I feel like we did a good tax books, Congress oversight, federal trade committee meeting.

Yeah. It earned a lot. Yeah. Big takeaway is Dan Snyder's fuck. Say aye. Aye. Dan Snyder's not fucked, Lopez. Motion carries.

He's fucked, dude. Yeah. He is fucked. Look at us just doing that stuff. I wish I had a gavel. Today's show is sponsored by the best ticket app on planet Earth and... The Boom! That's SeatGeek.

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with our friends at SeatGeek. That's a wild scene, dude. Insane. Honestly, because they're robbing from within. You never see any. The NFL is always like this. Always. Every negotiation, every deal.

Even though there's probably a lot of yelling and there's a little bit of discontent. And I assume not everybody agrees with everything. The NFL is always 100% vote. You'll see like the NFL PA on a new CPA. it'll be like, well, 51% to 49%. And the NFL knows, like, oh, those players are pissed. Okay, so we can just take advantage or whatever. The NFL, 100% yes, 100% no. Always has been, always will be.

Now they've got somebody from within allegedly stealing from them. I'll be excited to see how they respond to this entire thing and who gets into the game. I also would like to let you know, speaking of in the game, there's a play-in game, same-game parlay, 50% refund bonus thing. Oh, yeah. Happening tonight and tomorrow and Friday. For the NBA play-in games here, if you hit a same-game parlay, a collection of same-game parlays, $20, you get $10 back. $50, you get $10 back, $50, you get $25 back, $100 worth of same game parlays

on all these NBA games over the next four days, you get $50 back. If you go all the way up to $200 on same game parlays, you get $100 back, but that is the max. So if you go on the next two nights, there's how many games? Four. Four games.

You got $25 same game parlay on each game. That'd be $100. You get $50 back regardless, and you might hit for fucking whatever same-game parlays at FanDuel right now. Sounds good. I didn't really hear any of that, but it sounds like an amazing opportunity. Well, fucking clean your ears out then, you moron. There's just a lot of numbers.

A lot of numbers thrown around. Same as a wild card. Well, fucking clean your ears out then, you moron. Jesus. It's just a lot of numbers. A lot of numbers thrown around. Sometimes I hear numbers. Okay, so you get 50% back. You get 50% back on your NBA play-in games, same-game parlays. Up to $100 back, so up to $200 in same-game parlays. Free money. Yes, you're getting that back. Yes.

It's a great deal. For instance, tonight, like Kevin Durant, probably going to go off. Right? They're going to score, what, 48, you think? I don't know. What's his great deal. For instance, tonight, like Kevin Durant, probably going to go off. Right? They're probably going to score, what, 48, you think? I don't know. What's his over-under in it? On it? It's probably like 30.

Yeah, it's probably right around there. 31 and a half. 31 and a half. He's going to go over because this game matters. The Nets are going to win, probably not by 9 and a half. You can probably also get Kyrie Irving in there. He's going to cook. This is a big-time game for him.

He's had a lot of people back there. I don't know what that will probably be. So if we go Moneyline plus KD over 31.5 and Kyrie over 28.5, it's plus 324. Plus 324. And let's say you put $50 on that. You're going to get $25 back regardless. Boom. Boom.

And that could hit for $150. Hell yeah. But I heard someone say earlier the Nets are terrible at defense. Ben Simmons is a defensive monster. Is he going to play ever? No. He's not tonight. He's going to play game three of the Celtics series if they get in.

Is that really a thing? Yeah. Oh, yeah. If they win tonight, they play the Celtics in the first round, and Shams said a week from today. Yeah, it won't be games one or games two, they said. So he knows he's about a week out. Yeah, which is interesting because we see him shooting and running and today. Yeah, it won't be games one or games two, they said. So he knows he's about a week out. Yeah, which is interesting because we see him shooting and running and everything.

Yeah, it looks fine. Just like Zion. But also like basketball shape. Like if he's got a bad back and he can't run like the five-on-fives, then how long will he actually be able to play like a full game? Yeah, but who cares, right? If they give him like 10 minutes. No, and him, he'll probably play two minutes and be like,

oh, my bad, quits. Is that an accent? Because he's from Australia? Yeah. All right. You know Mel Gibson's from Australia? Hell yeah. Really?

So is Keith Urban. Yeah. Keith has an accent pretty strong. Mel got rid of his. Yeah, but Keith got rid of his when he was singing, too. He became straight off the farm. Is there anyone singing in an accent though? Adele.

Country singers do. Yeah, but normally... It's like when actors yell. If you're faking an accent in a movie, it's hard to yell in an accent. Like Forrest Gump, he tries to yell. It sounds like Tom Hanks. What's your best accent?

We heard your English one when you did The Queen. You got a Southern one? I'm not really good at it. Yeah, you are. heard your English one when you did the Queen. You got a Southern accent? I'm not really good at it. Yeah, you are. You're very good when he was the Queen. The Queen was unbelievable. When did you learn the English accent? Was that just something you picked up? That's just something I like to dabble with every once in a while. I like to study. Study people and how they speak.

Did you watch The Crown? I did watch The Crown. That was a history lesson for me. That was good. All the seasons, or did you quit whenever that one queen quit? Because I couldn't take the new queen. That didn't bother me because I understood. It started out when the queen was very young,

and so as she gets older, I understood, hey, you've got to replace her with an older actor. Yeah, but couldn't we just put some makeup on? I mean, fuck. We made what's-his-face 10 feet tall with those shoes. Robert De Niro. Yeah, it looked great. It looked great in that movie when they CGI'd their face to make them shoes. Robert De Niro. You know what I mean? He made Dalpa younger.

Adult. What's your deal? They spent $600 million on the movie, too. Well, listen. They're making money. Somebody's making money out there. Hey, AJ, how would you grade this particular English accent? If Jim Raj had to walk in there and do a full, you know what I mean?

Yeah, a little curtsy. Hey, we're coming. We're bringing a big sports stooge thing over here is that okay yep deal perfect let's get some tea let's get the out here how do you think that went the point roger the clean you think she liked them yeah yeah i bet she liked him she probably knows a lot like what if she's sitting there and then all of a sudden she's like so what about the sean watson situation what about the sean watson situation what about the Sean Watson situation?

Nailed it. Still slaps. That was exactly 13 months ago. Yeah. Happy 13-month anniversary to that clip. Congrats, AJ. I shaved my face. Yeah.

The, um... AJ. AJ. What's up? I'm glad I could pay tribute to the queen and Harry and Meghan Markle, even if they disbanded themselves. No, they're not. Yeah, they're not part of it, dude.

If you dare. Come on. You talking about the prince, too, dude? What, are you going to get into that? Yeah, your guy Prince Adrian. What do you mean, Harry? Bro. He named his kid after his mom.

Come on, now. Yeah, but you would never. There's another accent. You normally would never do that, so you're just doing that out of nowhere. Yeah. Why would I not do that? What do you mean? You don't know the accents I do. We do do we talk to you every fucking day but yeah so like

that wouldn't that it's organic it was organic in the moment if you that's what it was i think that's why we love you so much i was genuinely curious like what the queen would would ask i think that's going on the uh the walk-in wall of moments for our show uh when you go into the igloo or building a walk-in wall what is that like when you walk in it's going to be like you're walking through like a uh like a hall of fame for our show of moments can you put up at least a screen grab of you with the at bat against uh jet yeah absolutely that'll be in there it'll be all digital it'll be like digital uh nfts bro no yeah another accent yeah that was super it's gonna be videos super keep track it's gonna be like those NFTs, bro. No, yeah. Another accent.

Yeah, that was super. It's going to be videos? Keep track. It's going to be like those photo frames that have things that, you know. They can run. Yeah, yeah. You can Wi-Fi different pictures to them all the time. Like the RV at MetLife Stadium is going to have a pretty good little spot on there. You know what I mean?

Just all the moments from the history. Draft spectacular, I assume. Yeah, God damn it. Yeah. Multiples. Maybe Ty's reaction about Billy Horschel a couple days ago. Nah, I don't know if that's going to make the cut. I mean, we got to have some sort of respect for the wall.

You pooping out the football celebration? Yeah, that was a good one. When he fucking just murdered my desk unbelievable so are you going to have that desk at the igloo well believe it or not there's some people trying to take advantage of

knowing how much money we have at the current moment so I was pitched actually like this very reasonable like $17,000 desk you know what like this very reasonable like 17 000 desk you know what i mean must be pretty sweet very reasonable how heavy is it oh it's heavier than a baby grand piano or whatever so oh so we can never move it okay yeah but it's a really nice piece or whatever i love it so i don't even know if i have the desk yet to be honest with you that has been a

conversation piece i got a guy if you need one. You got a desk guy? Yeah, back in Burke. We do got a desk guy. You know him. He's good. He's a YouTube guy. Yeah. Ooh. We like dude, too.

I got some Amish dudes here that'll build you a good one. Well, Tim does. Yeah, Tim was very frustrated with the entire thing. He's like, we ain't paying. No way are we paying that amount for a fucking desk.

No way are we doing that. But with fucking desk. No way are we doing that. But with that being said, I don't believe this desk is making a cut to the new place. On the last show here, you saw that in half with a chainsaw. Put it somewhere. You could put it somewhere at the igloo, don't you think? We should maybe hang it off the wall. Like a car that comes in. Should we glue all the stuff on top of your steak and lube yeah somebody

somebody's gonna we're gonna have to hire somebody to uh spray this thing down with glue and keep this no you just pour a bunch of uh epoxy resin all over the top of that it'll just it'll just crystallize just like that all right how's the asbestos with that pretty good pretty good actually hello who's that fun twice today felt real good about it felt real good about it is there any Pretty good, actually. It's a glass case. Hello? Use that phone twice today. Felt real good about it. Felt real good about it. Is there any stained glass at the igloo?

No, no church stuff. I like stained glass, though. Okay, there's not really any windows. Yeah, they didn't have that in the original. The igloo is... No. Is there a basement? There is parts downstairs, yeah. Is it just like storage? Also a bat cave. Yeah, we downstairs, yeah. Is there storage?

Yeah, we don't know. There's storage down there, but then there's also like they've been trying to fix. I don't know if they had the hangers or how they exactly did it. They had like some sets. I guess there's something. There's something. Like we might be sitting on, I don't know if we just got a bunch of oil. I don't know. What do you mean?

What tells you that? A massive structure, right? Yeah, they did some sort of land survey yeah thing in the basement or out in the yard no it's down it's like down out down and out a little bit i'm like is that a holy is that thing just gonna collapse is it a bunker but i'm just hoping hold on help it's just oil so like buried treasure the eagle is cool and all but we will take that fucker down and just

yeah put a fucking big ol' rigger on the outside of it yeah we'll cover it up with a so it looks nice

you know cause we want the neighbors to not be mad but also we will just be pumping out Jerry Jones money yeah by the Washington

if it's legal by the way we want to help society however we'll do it is help society be responsible. We will save the world. Only one book. We want to get that oil out of the earth. For America. Oh my god, get it out of there.

If I ruin the water supply around here? How come that is never talked about? That's probably not the case. I don't think it's any oil, by the way. I don't know. That's probably not the case, huh? I guess not. I think we're probably wrong. Fucking BP ruined it. I don't think it's any oil, by the way. I was talking to a rock person,

a rockologist. What'd they say? They said canyons and caverns. Hey, what does Bechtel do? He's a rocktologist. He's a geologist, but he does,

he does like a rocktologist. Yeah. He does land surveys to figure out whether or not there would be natural gas or whatever if it has the makings to be a place where I don't think Indiana has any of that.

I don't think. Damn. Well, not yet. Ohio does. Really? Natural gas or oil? Like they did. It was big.

I mean, natural gas stuff has died down. But I think like North Northeast Ohio was having people, you know, they would come to their house and pay them money to eventually have the rights to drill on their land if they want for natural gas. Yeah, natural gas really took over, I think, like Western Pennsylvania and West Virginia as well there for a while. There was a rumor that James Harrison owned some natural gas. I actually asked him about it.

He said, no, I have other business investments, so I don't have that. I was like, oh, I heard you were like a natural gas mogul, dude. That's what I heard. Came out of nowhere. What do we need now? What does the world need now? Solar panels.

Everything. Bro. Yeah, those big windmill things. I fly over on one of those things. Put a couple of those up. Need more. Those things are always broken. Or maybe the wind just...

We need to kill a lot of birds, too. Water turbines. Hey, you kill a bird on this Fandul face-off thing, you know, you Randy Johnson, you get an extra five seconds. Yeah, yeah. That is huge. That is fucking huge. The time is a big deal.

You got to add that. You know when Randy Johnson did that, they said he was like all torn up about it. Like, you're bothering me. Oh, yeah. Who said that? He was rattled. I don't know. Randy Johnson didn't give a fuck.

Kidding me? He was rattled. No way, dude. He struck out 22 his next outing. Yeah. That's because he was all distraught It would have been 27 If he wasn't so In honor of the bird

He's not a killer dude That bird should count As an extra K as well He's a photographer man Now he is You remember Yeah you remember When he was a Yankee

Some photographer Got too close to his face He'd get the fuck Out of my face That just happened With Cristiano Ronaldo I think Something happened

With camera stuff Smack the phone right That's crazy That's a big deal Speaking of K for kill For the bird Nick you just said It made me think of something That just happened with Cristiano Ronaldo, I think. Something happened with camera stuff. Smacked the phone, right? That's crazy. That's a big deal. Speaking of K for kill, for the bird, Nick, you just said it made me think of something. Have you seen this 14-year-old kid on Twitch? Every time he gets a kill, he sets off a flare in his room.

I don't know. Can I see it? It's amazing. Zito's going to look it up. This dude is the next whatever. He is maybe the most electric kid I've ever seen in my life. Definitely a fire hazard. Might burn his house down.

I'm not 100% sure how sustainable this particular segment is, but whatever he thinks of next is going to be great. I got faith in this 14-year-old kid maybe being the next big thing in the whole video game. Maybe just content game world as a whole. Set up his entire bedroom. A full rave happens every time he kills somebody. And fire shoots out of the top like fucking Kane in the WWE.

He's setting this thing. Look at this. This kid. Look at that. He's got a fucking torch back there. And then bam, bam, bam, bam. This fucking kid. I love this kid. I don't know who he is. I want to be friends with him. What a weapon. He's got full pyro in his room?

Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, dude. I mean, the light show. It's unbelievable. He's probably dead at this point, right? He can't be celebrating one kill at this point. He hits a button, too. He's deciding how many fires.

Oh, yeah. Fire it up. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Run the rave, run the rave. Do we know where he is? No, Amsterdam. Is he a foreign guy? Maybe just Amsterdam.

50 years in the future? Whatever he is, he's on the right path, I think. Keep going, bud. Keep going. Nice job, Rave. All right, Hammer Don's at 330. You're going to talk about the same game parlay 50% refund thing in a better fashion than I did because AJ got lost in the middle of it.

I don't think I could do it better than you, but I will talk about it. Yeah, AJ's a sack of bricks. That's why you didn't get it. What's that all about? This guy graduated from college, didn't you? Yeah, man. I told you I'm fully aware. Numbers are not my thing.

So once you start talking numbers, zone out for sure. Oh, you're shutting it down. Hey, I'm not going to know what you're saying anyway, so i'm just going to go ahead and not waste any energy because there's other memories i'd like to keep in my brain and not have this one kind of push out that's fair yeah you gotta know your strengths and weaknesses right hey yeah absolutely it's very good self-awareness that's a massive part of it all did you graduate graduate or you made a donation they put you in a hall of fame and you became a doctor now unfortunately you can't do the old pay your way to get a graduation. I actually did it.

Congrats, man. We saw you're in the Hall of Fame. Good job, AJ. Got a break. Is Goompy wrestling now? No, that's a – That's a chompa, dude. Congratulations making the Raw roster, chompa.

He looks awesome. He looks like a beast. They're brothers. What did you say? He looks just like Goom. It's like Ezekiel and Elias. Elias is Ezekiel's older brother. I would like to say.

Did they find the other one? Well, we're still looking. There's a lie detector test coming next Raw. That's right. What? I'd like to say. Are you serious? Kevin Owens is asking a lot of real questions.

He is. Kevin, am I the only one? That is Elias with a shaved beard? I'm worried about KO. I think he's losing his mind. He never learns. Wasn't enough getting stunned. They're vastly different.

Vastly different people. Clearly brothers. Elias is bigger. Definitely same womb. We get it. We absolutely get it. But Ezekiel and Elias, two very different people yeah what i know it's it's amazing how much they look alike so maybe they'll have to wait till next wrestlemania to

see them together wrestling no well we don't know how it's all gonna pan out but we do know monday night raw lie detector test for ezekiel are you who we thought you were you know what i mean is kevin Owens doing this for him? Like he's going to put him through a lie detector? I hope so. That's probably a KO show. That's Ty's guy. Those aren't admissible.

I love KO. WWE they are. They probably just want us to steal a move from Ezekiel. What is this guy's problem? I didn't do a move from Ezekiel. Whoa! What is this guy's problem? Come on. I didn't do a single move of my own either. What do you mean?

What are you talking about? You cocked your leg. You did the Swantonio. What are you talking about? Swantonio. You did do the Swantonio. Yeah, I did do the Swantonio. Yeah.

Different move. I should do that every time. If I ever get back in the ring, I should absolutely. No, when you stand up on the turnbuckle like Stone Cold, that's what you do with both hands. No. All four corners. No, you think I should, when I come out.

That's your thing. Yeah, just like Stone Cold flicking them off. I don't know. I would love it. I would really. I would get a kick out of it. If I have the Swantonino, the Swantonio. Swantonio.

If I had the Swantonio Bombini, you know. If I had the Swantonio Bombini that I did every single day, that would be awesome. Yeah, that'd be sweet. I have Swantonio Bombini. I think I found it when I lost my pinky ring, by the way. It was on during the suplexes that he did to me. So I think the one where I gave

him one, maybe. Because he tried to do three of those on me. Are you kidding me? You're talking about theory? Yeah, theory. Yeah, lost his first game. You see me. You know I check up on it. Hey, you do. You keep up with theory, huh?

Yeah. My theory is I beat Austin off him. Hell yeah! That you beat Austin off of it. Hell yeah! You beat Austin off? You're right. Is that what you said? You said you beat Austin off of it, right?

Off of his name, dude. Oh, okay. Come on! Let's get to it, right? I'm just going to answer more phone calls. Why are you stopping looking at me like that? That's what you said. Why are you such a child? You know, maybe I did, but, you know.

Okay, I'm sorry that I asked what the viewers and listeners would want to ask. We couldn't just go right by that. Well, listen, I feel like we've learned a lot today, okay? We've said some unfortunate things, and now we must go on like a 19-hour and 45-minute break. Really regather ourselves and have a better show tomorrow. Hell yeah. And let's beat off tomorrow as well.

Hell yeah. I'm all in. All right. Let's do it. Sound like a plan, AJ? I'll tell you what. I didn't know you were going to end this with such inspiration, but thank you for that.

Well, the Swantanio Bombini really took me to another level. Enlightened place. Man. When I flip, I did the Jeff Hardy level. Enlightened place. Man. When I flip, I did the Jeff Hardy almost. Oh, yeah. When I had peace sign out there,

I need to flip and do this. Yeah. Oh, man. Me and Sam Martino doing a lot for the Italians. That's right. Goddamn right. We're going to be pumped about it.

Happy 4 on 2 day. Tung Diggs and Hammerdown started like probably 335. Stream will start at 330. That's Hockey Talk. Tomorrow night has Marc-Andre Fleury. So go ahead and put that into your schedule. That would be fantastic. He plays for Minnesota Wild now, which is a team in the NHL.

That's right. Our team in the NHL. He obviously should have went back to the Penguins. He's now in the Wild. I assume the Wild is going to win the Stanley Cup now because they have him on the team. He'll be joining That's Hockey Talk tomorrow night. What a good booking here.

Yeah, great. Unbelievable. Shout out to Ruppert, man. Ruppert kills it with the bookings. He does an incredible job. Stanley Cup champion Mike Rupp, co-host of That's Hockey Talk every Wednesday night, 8 p.m. at youtube.com forward slash That's Hockey Talk,

alongside Goop and Nick. Are you going to ask him about refusing to score and missing out on a $100,000 donation to his foundation that I promised? Absolutely. It's kind of troublesome that he wouldn't want to help out the people in the foundation. He adamantly refused

to score after that. It was troubling. How many games are left in the season? A lot or not a lot? 8, 9, 10, depending on which team you are. All right, tell him we'll give $250,000 to a foundation of his choosing if he scores a fucking goal in a game for the rest of the season. All right, will you relay that message to him?

Happily. Does he have any goals? No. No. He went for it once, right? No, he hit the fucking post last year, I think. He went for it a couple different times. Okay.

It's not easy for a goalie to score because you've got to get it up over everybody. It has to be an empty net, and you have to keep it straight. You know, you see people at those half-time intermission try to slide a puck into the net. That's hard to keep it straight. Oh, yeah. Let alone with a fucking goalie stick. He's been trying for 20 years. Yeah.

I don't know. I watched Happy Gilmore with my kids last night and I saw Happy went on that date with the old girl and she slapped one in from half course.

Yeah, but she was super talented. She grew up around that. You know what I mean? That's true. She was... And how about that way that guy sang on that date too? Yep.

So good. I forgot how awesome Happy Gilmore is. I'm not joking. I watched it with my three boys They laughed like Bobby Carpenter laughs at movies Like knee slapping funny It was awesome

It seems like Bobby Carpenter just took a shot Oh yeah Me and Bob talked about it all the time I was like Bob I wish things were knee slapping funny to me like they are to you Oh Bob has a good time Bob has a great time with it I'm like man I wish I got this much joy out of this movie There's been a couple

movies that have got me crying a couple times. I laughed out loud at Jackass, the new one. I'm going to watch that. I'm going to watch that. I need to watch that. I mean, I saw Pontius' cheeks. They look better than ever. They're right in front of me there. I watched A Star is Born the other night. Ooh, classic. Fucking really

good movie. Oh, yeah. He kills himself, right? Jesus Christ. We're back tomorrow. I haven Fucking really good movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he kills himself, right? All right. Jesus Christ. We're back tomorrow. I haven't seen the movie. I don't want to see it, man. It's a great movie, dude.

Jesus. Son of a bitch. Does he kill himself, like, kill himself or just through drugs and alcohol? Oh, dude. I watch it. Just watch the fucking movie. I have no desire to watch it. It's a great movie.

You should watch it. I'm not going to watch it. We did this, like, six months ago. I'm not going to watch it, but it's all right. You should watch it. That was a different show you were on. Andrew Dice Clay's in it. You should watch it. Yeah. I going to watch it. We did this like six months ago. I'm not going to watch it, but it's all right. You should watch it. That was a different show you were on. Andrew Dice Clay's in it. You should watch it.

It's very good. Dice Man? Sam Elliott. AJ, it's a good movie, but you know he's going to kill himself within the first five seconds. Jesus. Yeah. That's my issue. He has one of the best lines of all time.

Sir, I don't think this place is for you. They serve alcohol in here? Yeah. It's for me. That's such good. He has a little bit of a booze problem, but he's a mega star. Yeah, a little bit two hours of just waiting for this guy to kill himself oh there's music dude that's why i didn't like it as much it's a great movie though it's a good love story gargoyle though didn't she win the award yeah oh yeah they all should let it go got crushed it yeah she did the

way it was shot was very well done too by the way the movie did their marriages though too what's that i'm married to the movie no no their marriages though too what's that fuck Gaga we're married no no because everybody said Bradley Cooper and Gaga were going to get

together and they did not at all no but they both ended their relationship so yeah

could have been an emotional affair let me get another look at you he does say that to her a couple times oh yeah

whenever she leaves the car to go into the house and at the end tell me something girl it's a good hey Oh, yeah, whenever she leaves the car to go into the house. Yeah. And at the end. Tell me something, girl. It's a good song. A lot of jams.

A lot of jams. A lot of good songs in there. You know, even a pop song or two in there. Oh, yeah. It really goes well. That was a good song. It seems sad. It seems like the whole movie seems sad. The rock one that opens the movie is a banger of a song.

Yeah. All right. Riley Cooper can really fucking do it on a guitar too oh yeah they wrote that out there's a lot of guitar solos in there is it really him playing oh yeah and singing i mean he's a we know he is a stud actor absolutely philly guy georgetown guy you're a scumbag what's that he's a scumbag going to georgetown you are why why are you saying he's a scumbag what did brhmm. What's that? He's a scumbag? You went to Georgetown. You are. Why? Why are you saying he's a scumbag? What did Bradley Cooper do that I don't know about? Well, no, no.

You are a scumbag for saying all these great things about him, but refusing to watch his art. I watch a lot of his art, but this art, it just doesn't pique my interest for some reason. It's a good one. You should watch it, man. Have a good time. All right.

You also watch Hammered Down as well. Happy 412 day. AJ, he does die at the end. Okay? There you go. People need to get over spoilers. It doesn't change anything. All right, dude.

Okay. Spoiler to the commander is probably going to be up for sale. I mean, spoiler. I mean, we can do this all day if you want to, I guess. All right. We're back tomorrow. Hammered Down is in like 10, 15 minutes. You are the best people on Earth. See you

tomorrow. Winning Wednesday. Also, I think we have a couple big guests tomorrow. Let's go. I don't know. Do we? I think so. Maybe. Will Smith? Al Jermaine. After a big win at

UFC, I believe we'll have... I mean, we'll reach out to Will Smith see if he wants to do his first talk oh we do have another one too who? isn't alright we'll see you guys tomorrow you guys are the best

AJ really good toxic stuff today out of you thank you I need to know who that surprise is nah you'll be surprised too see you everybody. Goodbye. And I'll see you next time. សូវាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប� Thank you. ស្លាប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប់ពីប្រាប� Thank you. Bye.