The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 641 - Ian Rapoport, Peter Schrager, Daniel Jeremiah, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 13, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the newest information coming out of the Washington Commanders situation and whether or not Dan Snyder is going to have to sell the team, what the latest goings on in the NFL are right now, and everything else going on in the sports world as we get closer to the 2022 NFL Draft. Joining the program to give us the latest on the Washington Commanders situation as well as whether or not the Rams are going to clean up on a lot of these marquee free agents, fresh off a visit to the PEZ Museum, is NFL Network Insider, Ian Rapoport (7:36-32:03). Later, 2x Emmy nominated co-host of Good Morning Football, NFL Insider on FOX, and friend of the progrum, Peter Schrager joins the show to walk us through what is BS when it comes to these mock drafts, what the newest rumors he's hearing are, and much more (58:47-1:20:53). Lastly, Former NFL Scout, current NFL Network analyst and NFL Draft guru, Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to update us on where he thinks certain players will wind up, if we are actively in smoke screen season for these teams, how accruing information has changed over time when it comes to the draft, how many players he has grades for, and more (1:23:41-1:49:44). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Wednesday, April 13th, 2022. And this sports show shall begin right now. Can't thank you enough for joining us on this glorious Wednesday. Got the haircut a little bit. Got a lot taken off the top. A little bit lighter. A little bit more relaxed.

A little bit more Springfield. Even though there's supposed to be a goddamn tornado today. Hope everybody is safe in the Midwest. We appreciate the hell out of all of you for watching. If it cuts out, it's because they're calling for terrible weather. Yep, you know why. Right above us. And we know that we don't have a ceiling,

so we literally hear the tin roof right above us. You will probably hear this whole thing. But the igloo is about 115 days away. Whoa. Here we go. Can't wait't wait by the way that might change in a thunderdome too i mean okay not 100 sure if we're gonna something to think about yeah i mean i did one of those instagram story q and a's and uh somebody asked like hey who's the next

person that's coming into the thunderdome and they were talking about that seat right there but in my head i was like yeah oh that's pretty why are we not? I mean, if we're being honest. Yeah, because we say welcome to the Thunderdome literally all the time. We're not saying we created this, but honestly, it is a dome. We can easily put some thunder and lightning on the top of that thing.

So you're saying every time we walk in, thunder just hits? That'd be sweet. In the thunder rolls. And the lightning strikes. Good morning, it says. It's roll. In the lightning strike. Good morning, it says. It is sick. That's what it'll do.

Who created Thunderdome? Maybe, I don't know. Pauly Shore? Huh? Pauly Shore created Thunderdome? Well, that was the biodome. Yeah. And that was a great movie, actually.

Unbelievable. That's Tom Diggs, who looks fantastic today. Thank you. Hey, little church Sunday, Tom Diggs. Oh, yeah. I was going through the closet, and I saw this tiger polo, and I was like, ooh, okay. Yeah, it is Easter tone. Little Tony Easter.

It is Easter this weekend, apparently. Yeah, Jesus is coming back on Sunday. That's right. Here we go. Killed on Friday. What if it did? All right. Talks at tables here at Boston Corner.

At Ty Schmidt. The boys in the back. We have a loaded show today. Ian Rappaport will be joining us in about five minutes. We're probably going to put off any congressional oversight committee chatter until then. The commanders and ownership, Dan Snyder, we feel like probably pretty fucked in this entire thing. We don't know enough about the entire situation to know how it would go if the other NFL owners were to force an NFL owner out. But it feels like he's checked literally every single box, as A.J. Hawk put it, as an owner that would get kicked out

of the billionaire's club of being an NFL owner. They know what they have. They have the biggest league on earth. All the fucking Guinness World Records talk about the Champions League. What? Not true. Listen, we like the Champions League. Love the Champions League. We love watching the Champions play out there in the Champions League. Great game yesterday.

Great. Chelsea, Real. I mean, it was 4-1, but it was 4-4 or something like that because aggregate, because the Champions League. Great game yesterday. Great. Chelsea, Real. I mean, it was 4-1, but it was 4-4 or something like that because aggregate because the Champions League doesn't just keep it in one. And the Guinness World Record said,

we feel as if the best league in the world is the Champions League. Hey, shut the fuck up. Okay, the NFL is the greatest league on Earth. Champions League is fantastic. And when we win

the soccer Lombardi, we would like our MLS champion to be invited to the Champions League. That's right. Okay, we would like that. The Portland Tim like our MLS champion to be invited to the Champions League. That's right. Okay, we would like that. The Portland Timbers get an opportunity to be a part of the Champions League. We will maybe have a little bit more respect for them over there.

Well said. Anyways, the NFL owners know that they have the best league on earth. And they got somebody acting like a slappy here. Now, this is full-blown, not only morally terrible stories coming out. Now, the point was raised on the internet yesterday that when all those exposés were coming out from the Washington Post, which is owned by Jeff Bezos, and private investigators were digging into the culture of the Washington football team, and then back when it was titled the Washington football team. Of course.

I guess they did a lot of investigating. There was a lot of things that came about. There was like three different exposés they were like boom boom boom this place is the worst place of all time all the while a new head coach was coming in new president and they no longer had a team name so it was a wild time there and you would have thought that at some point the nfl would have been like hey figure this out they never did it continued to get worse poop pipes were bursting although Although there was brand new leadership, it felt like, in the building, the ownership remained the same.

Jason Wright came in. He was supposed to be like, I think a guy who was supposed to save a company. His former work, being an NFL player, we fucking love that. Then he worked for a crisis control company, basically, that would come into businesses that were on fire and bring a fire hose and hopefully save them around. So he was literally the perfect person to become the president of the Washington

football team at the time he was but ownership was still the same Snyder just kind of pawned it off to his wife but the hits kept coming on that team and there were a massive wart almost on the league as a whole and the internet said well maybe other teams were just happy that they were taking all the attention like hey don't look at our team because that's going on. That has to be really the only way that there wasn't a conversation for them to at least think about getting a new ownership in the Washington team. That's a massive market, a lot of money, a lot of power players that you can get involved with your league. And there's, you know, Bezos is sitting right down the road at the Washington Post and he has all of the billions. So you would think that would be the case.

But now it's come out, and allegedly a former vice president of the Washington football team, Friedman, has testified under oath, right? I mean, in front of a House Oversight Committee, you know, because it's the House, and then it's the Senate. That's right. And then there's the president over there. And then they do stuff as a congressman. And the senators talk to the governors. Negative and legislative branches. Boom.

And then there's a third one, too. Judicial. And that's the big deal. The judicial won't fucking bring the hammer down. You know, the other two, the legislative and executive. Anyways, they did a full testimony and basically came out and said that the Snyder family since 2012, which is eerily near the time where they got fined like $30 million or something.

They got fined for misusing. So somebody looked this up. Zito sent it to me last night that somebody sent to him like, hey, 2012-ish is when this fine that came from the NFL came down on the commander or on the Washington football team. And then from that point forward, allegedly, if you go by what the guy who was under oath talking to the House Oversight Committee, who then sent something to the Federal Trade Commission to maybe file against that, which is those are the people that handle all the

money, basically said, hey, we've been skimming money off the top for the rest of the owners so we don't have to share it with them for the last 10 years. We also stole security deposits from our own ticket people and visitors that were coming to our thing. We're also scamming them somehow. So he opened up everything. Former vice president, he knew where all the fucking bodies were buried in that thing. So now there has to be a conversation about the nfl

kicking the snyder family out i assume this will go to court of some some sort but if he sells that thing whatever it is seven billion eight billion ten billion he gets that money probably has to pay back a bunch of stuff and then he just disappears forever so he doesn't really end up getting punished or fined from this whole thing but it feels like we're on the precipice of him getting kicked out right yeah i Yeah, I think so. And, I mean, everyone that we've talked to have said, like, hey, Bezos isn't interested. But now it kind of presents itself for, like, it almost makes too much sense. Like, they're ready to get rid of Dan Snyder.

Are they, though? I don't know. Like, that's the interesting thing because the NFL pro football talks, Mike Florio, said that the NFL has released a statement that they're going to look into the troubling, I believe, accusations into Dan Snyder or investigate serious matters raised by Congress regarding the Washington commanders. The NFL will investigate it. So what does that mean? I don't know. Joining us now is a man who works for the NFL. He's a senior NFL insider, a man that we have grown to become great friends with.

Oh, yeah. Host of the weekly wrap-up with Rap Sheet and Friends, although this week it's been multiple times because there's a lot of shit to talk about. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. Back in the car. Where are we going? Wow. Oh, no. Oh, no. You're muted.

You're muted. The AirPods? There you go. Hold on. Hold on. No, no. You're back. You're back. You're back. You guys got me? Yeah, it was awesome. Sorry we didn't have you turned up there. You're back in the car, always on the move,ods there you go there you go hold on no no you're back you're back you're back you guys got me yeah it was awesome sorry we didn't have you turned up there you're back in the car always on the move always cooking what do you got going on uh well kids are on vacation this week so we just went to the uh pez factory and visitor center in connecticut i was i love pez i grew up on pez it's my favorite candy that and smarties favorite um so i was in heaven it was great. We're not going to get into it because you're having a day.

Father of the Year. Pez candy being your favorite candy is serial killer like. That's a real problem. Do you not think that? Psychopath. When you go to this factory, you get to have as much Pez as you want. You put it in this bucket and then you just come out with hundreds much Pez as you want. You put it in this bucket. That'd be great.

And then you just come out with like hundreds of Pez in all the different flavors. Oh, man. That is awesome. Because I don't think I've ever seen a Pez get emptied. No, no, no. Like I always see like the start of it. Oh, look at this. Hot dog.

It pops up. Kind of like the sake at a… Sure. Like a… Hibachi? Hibachi where the pants come down and it shoots the… That is never empty. That is true.

Yes. Yeah, the Pez one, never, because nobody ever finishes. They have a couple. I'm like, oh, this is cool. Let's get the hell out of here. It's chalk. This is way more than you wanted to know, but I have a Pez collection at home. I finish multiple.

This is my wheelhouse. Pez, Smarties, Gobstoppers. These are like real games. Smarties, not bad. Smarties, not bad. Smarties, not bad. I don't know, like best and favorite of all candies? Oh, yeah. By a lot.

By a lot. So you've got a Pez museum in your house right now? So you're forcing your kids to go to this right now? Like, hey, it's your spring break. Let's go to dad's favorite place. Yeah, well, they got to eat a lot of Pez. And there was also a scavenger they got to search for pez so look for them they they got an i mean it was for me obviously but they got

enough stuff to satisfy themselves hey pez is delicious man congrats yeah thank you for being dad mom of the year over there you guys are very good parents we appreciate that cfo phil took his kids to an island yeah oh yeah yeah very nice i, there's a lot of very good dads around us. We are very thankful for that as we go forward. Now, let's chit-chat a little bit about what's going on with Congress and the House Oversight Committee and the FTC and the commanders. So what has to happen for the NFL owners

to force another owner out? It feels like if they don't do it now after this, if this is all true, then it's not even needed to be in the contractor written in there is this not deemed like reasonable to kick him the hell out now that it's financial it's moral it's award it's this he's stealing maybe and how how long is that whole process you think to find out the truth well i would say first of all, I want to make sure. Oh, all right.

I got you. All right. First of all, I would say we need to know if it's true. And if this is true, then the consequences are potentially dire. There is not a lot of precedent for this. The closest we've had to this is when jerry richardson the former owner of the carolina campus had that sports illustrated sort of expose written about him about sexual uh harassment and all that stuff in the workplace and he ended up selling at a time when he probably would have

been pressured to sell this would be a little different because you're talking legal. You're talking, I mean, to me, the moral of like taking, if this is true, taking from fellow owners is as troubling as anything. They're supposed to be in this together. There's revenue sharing. There's so much here. I think you're right. Like if, if this is not enough, then I don't know what would be. We just, we would need to know if it's true, and Congress moves so slowly that I'm not sure to expect anything soon. This is probably the most serious owner

thing that we've seen to me in a very long time. How did this start? This all started because of the exposés from the Washington Post and the sexual assault? No, was it sexual misconduct and sexual harassment claims? And then they started investigating and then they just like,

oh, let's see what we get here. And they just kept going. How many people, a part of Congress, are focusing on this, you think? Or the House? I would say significant because, you know, Congress does have investigative power. They do have the ability to subpoena. They do have the ability to.

So, you know, basically what happened here. Oh, there's my picture. That's strange. You know, I mean, that is really a terrible picture. There's so many better ones. There's the one of me in the bow tie at the Kentucky Derby. Anyway. Oh, with the hedge dispenser. Oh.

Looks sick. You do. Looks so cool. You have that top hat on, too. Oh, the horses. Oh, wow. He probably had one of those drinks. There's mint julep.

Oh, mint julep. Oh, he had a mint julep. Definitely, you had a mint julep. You probably had all the whiskey bottles for the mint julep. Oh, you love the Kentucky. I would say multiple. Yeah, yeah. You love the Der julep. You probably had all the whiskey bottles for the mint julep. Oh, you love the conductors. I would say multiple. Yeah, yeah. You love the derby.

Yeah. So much booze. So much Pez. Yeah. Holy shit. Oh, my God. Paradise. We'll call you back.

We've got to reconnect with you. That other photo that came up of him, he looks very cool as well there. Oh, he's handling business there at the draft, I believe. I was also reading something recently that Dan Snyder just bought out all of the limited partners, and he borrowed half the money. I don't know. Did he borrow from the league? Does he owe the league $400 million?

We are back. Diggs just brought up a great point. So he just bought out the minority shareholders just like two years ago, I think. Did he borrow that money from the NFL? What would happen with that NFL, with that money? And also, how much did the NFL know about all this? Do you think they got blindsided by all this? And how does that happen? Isn't there like an independent audit that has to take place, you would think, in a rev share situation with billions of dollars? Do they have to present their money to everybody else? How does this slip by the goalie, you think?

One of the allegations was that there was revenue that they received from an NFL game, and they sort of diverted that to make it seem like they got it from a college football game than a different event. 163,000 dollars. Basically, the thought would be they didn't have to share that because it wasn't an nfl game revenue and i don't know how that got past everyone but but what's what's interesting here is so like you know congress starts investigating and then they could go anywhere like that's one of the interesting things about congress they investigate

one thing sexual harassment they look oh we something else. We're now going to go in this direction. And that's kind of the way it works. And that is really scary because if you've done anything wrong, Congress will probably find it. That's what all the Italian folks say about the feds, right? Once they get in there, they're going to find

something. Hey, they're going to find and then once they get in, they just keep going. Right? And these are the feds i mean that's yeah actual actual actual so um and you know it's going to be interesting to see how this actually goes step by step there's been a variety of leaks or great reporting or or probably both, in Washington Post and others, about how serious this is. And these are the allegations, not what's proven. But at every moment when Dan Snyder has been pushed to either admit anything or to give up the team in any way,

he has pushed back. I just wonder at what point does he not push back? All right, so you don't know shit. You don't know when it's going to happen. You don't know how long it is. No, nobody does. Ian, you are. That's what's so interesting about this.

Yeah, it is very interesting. But let's move on now. That is wild because it feels like we're going to have new ownership. That's two teams within a year probably that are going to be up for sale. I mean, very interesting. Dan Snyder is not going to want to give it up. You can see why $110 billion in media rights, let alone everything else that's going to come on the horizon for the NFL. Let's move on, though. Derek Carr just signed for a $121.5 million extension

with the Las Vegas Raiders. Is that actual money or is that just the overall worth? Because we saw J.C. Tretter of the NFLPA putting out a tweet saying, hey, boys, the time is now. Let's get some guaranteed money in these contracts. What do you think is happening with that deal? And did the Raiders always want to extend Derek Carr, or did Josh McDaniels have to watch film and feel him out first? No, I think Josh McDaniels and Dave Ziegler, the coach and GM, have always been fans of Derek Carr.

This seems like a million years ago, but last offseason, when the Patriots didn't have a quarterback and we were wondering, was Gruden going to move on from Derek Carr? The Patriots were interested. They wanted him. And then Josh McDaniels finally takes a job after like eight years, took this job for a lot of reasons, but Derek Carr was one of them because this was a quarterback that he could win with and that he has always liked.

So as soon as he took the job, extending Derek Carr was always something that he and Dave Ziegler wanted to do. And then there were some other things that came up, like the Devontae Adams trade and, of course, the Devontae Adams money. So it kind of got slid a little bit, but this has always been a priority. And I think for Derek Carr, we dealt with a lot of stuff from John Gruden, not all that good, including Gruden seemingly flirting with every quarterback around.

This is a really cool moment for Derek Carr because now he's done. Good, Derek. Yeah, and he's got his guy from college back on the team, and they've invested money all over the roster, in the head coach, in a house on the highest hill in the desert. You know, Mark Davis was living out there. Good for Las Vegas. Good for Darren.

Now the AFC West is quite a problem. Can't wait to see how it is handled. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Rapsheet. So Tyron Matthew now is apparently just going to be a ram. Are we looking at a situation where all these like major prominent free agents are just going to wait it out and then just go sign with LA? Is that going to happen?

It's kind of already happening a little bit because, you know, the Rams have, it was Clay Matthews a couple of years ago, I believe. And, you know, there's, when you're in LA and you're a good team and you've won like you know a super bowl or whatever you're always going to be attractive to veterans i think arizona cardinals somewhat similar people like to train in arizona you know the cowboys a little bit dolphins like places where people like to train and be always get a little bit of an advantage the problem is you're

not going to make a lot of money so if you're tyron matthew and you want to get let's say near 10 million dollars which you probably should get you're not going to get it from the ramps they are never going to be the highest bidder so it's really just you deciding am i going to take less than what i want to be in la and be on a team that has a chance in Super Bowl, or go to another team that's going to pay me more, like maybe the Eagles or the Saints. But the Rams do have a little bit of a natural advantage, and they know it, and they use it, and they have their players like Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey recruiting the heck out of these guys. Pretty good. This is why they sort of act like this,

because they could steal a player or two every year. Odell Beckham Jr. is still on the market. We're just assuming he's going back to L.A.? Still on the market. I wouldn't say it quite like that, but there is mutual interest, and they know more about his knee than everyone else. Their team doctor did the surgery. Sounds like it went really well.

It actually corrected a previously bad surgery from a couple years ago. Oh, who was that doctor? Cleveland. Have we talked about this or no? No. I'm just learning of this right now. And we don't have to out the doctor, but these are the things that we should be outing, though,

for future players because all these relationships that some people have, they automatically get business. And what if they're're not great what if they just are there strictly because of who they know you know that's a real thing so here's what so uh when odell tours acl with the rams remember on a i was thinking interception return right or with that i'm sorry with the browns on interception return he had an acl. It did not sound like it went as well as anyone would have hoped. So before the Rams signed Odell Beckham this past season when it was a huge deal, the knee was a concern because it was not 100% healthy. I don't believe they would have given him a long-term deal just based on the knee because it was troubling. And then in the Super Bowl, he's playing his butt off.

He's probably going to be the Super Bowl MVP. He tears his ACL again, and in a weird way, there's a little bit of relief from everyone because now it can get fixed right. This past surgery went really well, and he probably is going to have extended his career just because of this recent surgery. Who said that? The doctor that did the surgery went in there and said, you know what, actually, this career just because of this recent surgery. Who said that?

The doctor that did the surgery went in there and said, you know what, actually, this thing was kind of not even fixed. I fixed it all up for you. You're welcome. No, they knew. They knew. That's funny. They knew before the surgery.

They knew going in because, you know, to sign him, you have to do an MRI and everything, and they were troubled. So they knew that it was probably just a matter of time. That's like whenever the foot surgeon for Carson Wentz said, this is going to be a nine-month recovery. And then two weeks later he was back. It was like, who gave the projection? And then how good was the surgery that it was two weeks instead of nine months?

I mean, that is amazing. Greatest surgery ever. Greatest of all time. When do you think these guys will make it? Like draft day. Is it going to be wild on draft day in your eyes, do you think? Because we've been getting a little bit of a hint. You know, Mark Murphy said it's going to be interesting,

and then now you've got the Debo Samuel situation popping off where he wants 25 M's. We think if we read the Instagram post right. We don't know if we read the Instagram post right or not, but he wants a new deal. And then there's some conversation. You think there's going to be some movement about veteran players night of the draft, or you think it would be status quo?

I don't know about night of the draft. That was what happened last year was rare. Because usually teams are focused on the draft, right? That's great. Rather than like all the other stuff. But I would imagine the week of the draft, there'll be some things. We may get a Baker Mayfield trade. Remember last year we got a Bridgewater trade.

He was on the You Never Know podcast. Hey, you got to listen to that. Baker Mayfield did a You Never Know podcast. Was that good? Literally just hearing clips right now. As we're sitting here, I'm getting clips sent to me from old Bruce Brown who's listening to it. I think he did speak about it all.

Yeah, because that was what I heard initially was he was only going to talk about music and i'm like yeah there's no way that anyone has him on the podcast and doesn't ask him off hey guys got a golden year uh-huh yeah guys got a golden year they call him jimmy ivine baker they say if he puts his stamp on it fucking certified banger hell yeah but yeah he's gonna talk you think baker maybe move draft week huh you think people going to try to be getting their final draft picks together? Yeah. It just makes sense. Let's say you're the Carolina Panthers, okay? And you want someone to compete with Sam Donnelly. You'd like someone for the future.

You want to just improve the quarterback room. Your options are take, let's say, Malik Willis at number six or Kenny Pickett or trade for Baker Mayfield. Well, you've got to make a decision, right? So if you don't trade for Baker Mayfield, then maybe you're taking a quarterback. If you do trade for Baker Mayfield, okay, well, your quarterback room is set for this year only. And then you take the best position player you can, maybe a tackle, and then you move forward. So, like, we're going to get something on draft day.

Same thing with Debo Samuel. Because if you're a team with a huge need of wide receiver, either he gets a deal in San Francisco or maybe they trade him, I don't know. But you need to do it by draft night just to know what you have. Debo should come to the Colts. Or the Packers.

The Colts could use a receiver. Or the Packers. Or the Patriots. Patriots. The Colts could use a receiver. And look, Ballard, I know he does not move as fast and spend as much money as you would like, but he has done a big sign and trade before. DeForest Buckner. With the Niners. With the Niners. That's interesting.

What are you hearing, Ian? Is there a chance Debo comes to the Indianapolis Colts? Matt Ryan to Debo? Matty Ice to Debo? Oh, slant! God, that's right in Matt Ryan's wheelhouse. That is right there. Jonathan Taylor, too. Play action. Oh, my God. We could run that probably 15 times a game.

Wow. I love Debo Sam as a player. If he was on the Colts, which I have no earthly idea is going to happen. I have not heard that. But he'd be great because he's a great football player. They he was on the coach, which I have no earthly idea is going to happen. I have not heard that. But he'd be great because he's a great football player. They traded Buckton for a first and unfortunately... We don't have a first because Carson Wentz. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, rap sheet. Pistol Pete Schrager reported that the Panthers might be looking at Matt Corral now at the sixth overall pick. He's coming on later. Should we tell him he's full of shit or have you heard the same thing? You can tell him that in general. Oh, jeez.

But he knows. He knows. No, I would say from what I know right now, and we're three weeks out, so just understand that there's going to be some stuff flying around. That would surprise me if he was taking that. It's only 15 days, dude.

Two weeks, bro. Get off it. You're on the Pez high right now? We are two weeks out. Let's get some news. Let's start learning about who. No, I'm just saying, so basically, the way this like, it's like a weird cycle. The way it works is everyone knows everything

and where these quarterbacks are ranked at the combine. And then everyone gets through free agency. And then everyone starts talking. Then everyone gets in these buildings. And then it's almost like they re-rank them, right? So the public and we all kind of like, there's rumors. And you're like, oh, well, I don't think Malik Willis is going number six, but maybe he is because, I don't know, maybe the Panthers.

So like there's all these rumors but knowing what I know now I'd be surprised if Corral went that early probably to me if someone is going six my guess would be it's Willis or Pickett those are probably the most likely to get drafted the earliest okay Desmond Ritter's odds on Fando one from plus 3,000 to be the number one quarterback overall selected to plus 1,400. Whoa. Something just got cut in half. More things. This is what you're talking about there where things just start coming out, you know, in the middle of the draft time.

But Desmond Ritter has done really, really well on this circuit. He is so crazy that they move that much. How does that happen? They know something we don't. And certainly more than you know, this guy's skiing, golfing. Munch on Pez. Harry Potter. Harry Potter world.

Wizards. Pez dispensers. Boozing. I think he just met with the Seahawks. Maybe that. I don't know. We're very happy that you are a good guy and a great dad. Yeah.

But also, you said it feels like we've moved fast to get to this draft time. I couldn't say the opposite more clearly we are really three and a half hours every day we're talking three hours every day there ain't nothing you're a depends thing shepter's breaking every rule in the book of journalism that's right i mean garofalo is doing his thing we appreciate that but there ain't really much going on no literally breaking news was like the usFL named their head coaches. Yeah. Let's go. Yeah.

A lot of XFL guys. Who are they? Hinesward. Come on. Wade Phillips. You ever heard of him? You ever heard of Wade Phillips, Ian? Rod Woodson.

Bob Stoops, who was in the XFL right before here. I believe there was some money still owed to him, too, from the XFL. That money got picked up in the purchase. Anthony Beck, Jim Haslett, Reggie Barlow, and Terrell Buckley. You know, Anthony Becht, West Virginia guy, tight end. He's going to have it all figured out. The Rock was on get-up this morning. Yes, he was. He looked good.

By the way, kind of a big day for the West Virginia football program, eh? Yeah, we got that kid from USC and the mailman. Yeah, JT Day. JT. He and the mailman. Yeah, JT. Hey, Georgia. JT. JT, he's a mailman. What's going on? I would like him to play quarterback at West Virginia.

I think I don't know anything about this guy. Jude. Hey, Jude, put your seatbelt on. Put your seatbelt on. Jeez. Sweet. Oh, jacked up on Pez. Yeah.

What's up, Jude? It's been just eating Pez for the last hour. Now, Max, you can come say hello. What's up, Max? Hey's been just eating Pez for the last hour. Now, Max, you can come say hello. What's up, Max? You should put your seatbelt on. Oh, the hair is awesome. Wow. Great flow.

Look at the hair in the rap sheet, family. Can you see? He needs a haircut, and he will not get a haircut. No, let that thing flow, Max. What up, Jude? What are his hobbies? What are his hobbies? Harry Potter, Pez?

They like Harry Potter. They play a lot of sports. Lax. Really? Lacrosse? Lacrosse? They like to read a lot. Nice.

Jude plays lacrosse. Max plays baseball and soccer. They all do a lot of things. Hey, good luck out there, boys. Good luck, boys. Enjoy your spring break. All right, enjoy your spring break. Last question here, as we know, Daddy.

Ooh. Hey, try that chalk, Max. Go ahead. Do you let them have actual candy? Hey. Wow. What's going on, dude? You let them have, like, good stuff?

I mean, this is the best candy, as we've discussed. But they do have other assorted candies. But, you know, you got to treat your kids right, so I make sure that they have the best candy. Oh, my gosh. Sounds like a clown in their childhood. Go ahead, Jake. Be in the draft.

That's 15 days away. I'm just curious. What's the most intriguing thing that you've heard surrounding the draft here in 15 days away? Now we got them loosened up with the kids too? Fucking let some shit out. So the biggest question mark, the best rumor, is there are some teams that think a quarterback will go really, really, really, really early.

And by early, I mean like, I don't know, let's say the Lions. That would be really early, right? That would be a surprise, and that would be really early. But there are some teams that are like convinced that that's going to happen. And based on where these quarterbacks are, just overall sort of ranking evaluation-wise, two would be very early. But if you think you have your franchise guide, none of it's too early, right? I mean, Trubisky went two at a time when most people didn't think he would. Bortles went three at a time when it was three.

Yeah, I think three when nobody thought he would. So is it possible if someone's convinced? Yeah, but I don't know. The draft is my favorite thing. I love it so much. There's the intrigue, and we're going to find out. I'm dying to know. Super wild card weekend. What are you talking about?

The draft's your favorite thing, Ian? The Super Bowl? Super wild card weekend? What about all talking about? The draft's your favorite thing, Ian? The Super Bowl? Super Wild Card weekend? What about all that stuff? There's like two teams about to be presented? It's my favorite thing to cover because there's so many rumors and so many different storylines get woven into one, and then we just get to

find out. I'm like, I would say this, selfishly for me, the 10 minutes before the number one team gets on the clock, and it's so tense, and you can feel the energy in a building, that is the best. Like, I love it. I love the draft.

Okay, well, we're excited to see what you get right, what you get wrong. We got Mitt's Mach 3.0 today. I mean, it's a beautiful time, and we appreciate you taking time out of your kid's spring break. We'll send you Mitt Mock 3.0. He's been studying the field. Send it. I'll destroy it. Send it.

Whoa. Jesus. Pour your booze on it. We got sticks on today, too, to move Daniel Jeremiah. I'm excited to hear what he's got. You'll get some actual stuff. Whoa. His kid does his mock draft.

It is high society. Jesus. Oh, big network mock draft. A high society. A big network. Knocking the independent guy. Classic move. A kid that's high all the time. Can't make the mock draft. Unbelievable. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. You're the best.

Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rappaport. Yeah! Ty got a little heated about his and wrap it for us. Yeah! Tee-hee! Ty got a little heated about, you know, his Iowa hatred for Minnesota. We learned a lot there, and I appreciate your opinions. Thank you.

I would like that to be known, that I do respect everybody's opinions when they're speaking it, because there has to be some sort of reason why they feel the way they feel. With that being said, I'm PJ Fleck guy. Hell yeah. Telling things PJ Fleck guy. Hey! Hey! Hey! Fraud. sort of reason why they feel the way they feel with that being said i'm bj flat guy hell yeah 10 things pj

that's what we're doing. I get on board with that. They don't do that kind of stuff. That's what they do. You don't know how they do that. Everyone in the state does it, dude. Dude, that's what they do. And then, bam, bam, bam. Remember, he introduced that to Central Michigan.

He played the guitar? That's how I was introduced to P.J. Fleck as a coach. He and Chandler Harnish, who was a teammate of mine, were teammates or he was a coach of his or something like that at Central Michigan. Western. Western Michigan. Western Michigan. I'm so sorry.

I'm very sorry. They all stink anyways. What's your problem? I'm just saying. What is this guy's problem? Central Michigan created J.J. Watt and Tony O'Brien. Oh, A.B. Dana Fever Cooper Rush

yeah bingo Cooper Rush when he gets a job at Western Michigan he literally he's like alright we gotta start some traditions

and I watched his video and he was like when it's third down this is what I want everybody to do he cut this promo from his office filming it on his cell phone

and then put it on Twitter and it was him playing the everybody's boom, boom. Everybody's going to put their threes up. And I'm like, who is this guy? This guy's the head coach of a fucking program channel. He's like, you would love him.

You would love this guy. Good energy. I'm like, this video is amazing. Go on, fucking win. And guess what everybody's doing on third down out there? Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, they're doing it. P.J. Fleck is a leader of men, a leader of cults, a leader of universities.

I've seen it since day one. P.J. Fleck is joining us now, a member of a cult in Ohio. Acting like he's the first guy who's ever said row the boat. He did. He was awesome when he came on this show, and then he just, what happened? Hey, P.J., we'd love to have you back on. Okay, well, he's not giving any motivational speeches. That's what he does.

The guy's a horse's ass. Come on. Nectar mentality. Joining us now. By the way, one of the greatest speeches of all time. Yeah, it was incredible.

Play the hits. Play the hits, PJ. No, let's agree. Play the hits. That's why this show is different than every other show. People think that we planned that and knew we were going to talk about P.J. Fleck today.

We did not. He's also a good fucking gambler. Great gambler. Is he a good gambler? Because Ty just said he's full of shit and he's not a good gambler. No, he's actually a champion. He is a champion. He's not a champion.

He's a champion. He's a champion. Dude, how about he goes to Minnesota and they build him a $40 million facility and they go all in with this guy? It should have been a $100 million facility. It should have been. They let us work out. They let me work out there.

Let's see what you're saying about this guy. He hasn't won. I don't remember PJ fucking walking around anywhere. You know why? Because he was tricking some goddamn recruit in his living room saying, hey, guess what? We're going to go to the Big Ten Championship next year. We just need you to row the boat in the same direction that everyone

else is. Nectar mentality. What was that, Jim? You know what I'd love? Actually, Rome probably loves P.J. Fleck, but he is a clone. No two ways about it. P.J. Fleck is a fucking clone. Not a good

guy. It's got a Brad from El Segundo. Joining us now is a member of a cult.

We're going to get his thoughts. The Ohio State Buckeye College Football National Champion, Ohio State

Hall of Famer, ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. What's this all about, dude? I did not know this was coming. This is really blindsided me. Poor P.J. Fleck. I'm a row the boat

guy. I didn't want to even be added into this show. I don't want to be a part of this P.J. Fleck. Blast me. You guys just burying him. Ty going in on a lot of people here, I feel like. Well, listen. So you're on P.J. Fleck's team, yeah? I'm rowing the boat all day long. Yeah, of course.

You are not. You are not. You're an anchor. Row the fuck boat. You fucking asshole. Come on, AJ. I wanted to watch because whoever's working the camera, they're getting a sports Emmy next year because if it's Foxy,

whoever did it, cut back and forth of watching you and Tone row the boat. That person's got some quick hands. Well, Tone's – and Foxy's rowing too. I'm rowing while doing that. Boo! Oh, guaranteed. Abby got us a sports Emmy. Well, I learned a lot. WWE people are like, you would win a sports Emmy.

What do you mean? I was like, well, we're not even fucking nominated. They're like, you would win a sports Emmy. What do you mean? I was like, well, we're not even fucking nominated. They're like, you got to nominate yourself. I'm like, well,

I'm never going to do that. That's not happening. What? Never going to do that? These people nominate themselves? their networks do. Oh, how come YouTube didn't nominate us?

How come Sirius didn't nominate us? I got a lot of questions. YouTube fucking videos aren't working and they're telling us, oh, sorry about it. Record it next time. It's not working.

We'll be able to fix it. It's like, oh, thanks. Appreciate you, YouTube. That's It's not working. We'll be able to fix it. It's like, oh, thanks. Appreciate you, YouTube. That's very nice of you. Is there an Internet Emmys? Should we create that then? Yeah, there's a Webbys.

Webbys. Chris Webbys? Bro, we got the hashtag. The hashtag awards, dude. Shout out. Okay. Fox, you got to zoom out. Review.

Bro, what are you? Oh! Oh! you? Oh! Oh! Oh! And what about all these fucking things? Oh! That's some bitch right there. Hey, Ty, the best thing is when Ty said,

I can't wait to watch him coach in Arkansas in three years, making a ton of money. Like, is that his career path, Ty? Yeah, he'll go to the SEC. It might not be Arkansas. Maybe he'll get the fucking Vanderbilt job, and same deal. He'll go, you know, six and six, Ty? Yeah, he'll go to the SEC. It might not be Arkansas. Maybe he'll get the fucking Vanderbilt job. Same deal. He'll go 6-6, 7-6.

This is unbelievable. This guy's just trying to make it in Minnesota. You know how cold it is? They've built a whole facility. It's tough. He put them back on the map, I feel like. Yes, he got college game day there. I mean, PJ, we're on your side.

Don't listen to this Iowa. Bring Jerry Kill back. I don't know who that is. Former coach. He's having seizures, so they had to get rid of him. No. Is he all right? I think he's okay now, but.

What is your idea? No, that's a real thing. That's what happened. Okay, well. Wait, what did he do? Jerry Kill, he's having seizures and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that.

They had to get rid of him. They ran him out of town. They didn't run him out of town, but. Big Ten is the most interesting conference. There's always terrible stuff just seeming to be popping off around the Big Ten. Why is that, AJ? You're a member of the Big Ten Hall of Fame. I mean, is that something that's exclusive to the Big Ten,

or does that happen around the country? I don't know. You tell me. You kind of live in the Big Ten area, so you have your blinders on, I feel like. Yeah, I'm very lucky to live in Big Ten country. I see how passionate everybody is. But, you know, every new piece that comes out about the Big Ten, you have to wonder about it.

What the hell is going on in this conference? Yeah. SEC's a little different, too. They're paying players. Big Ten, they're doing horrible, horrible things. Well, they were. They're changing things, though. Hopefully.

It's a whole new Big Ten. Ain't that right? Are you talking about that Penn State thing? Yeah. Well, they were. They're changing things, though. Hopefully. It's a whole new Big Ten. Ain't that right? Are you talking about that Penn State thing? Yeah. Well, not just that. I mean, the first Penn State thing back in the day. Which one? Got a couple Penn State things.

Yeah, I was going to say, things weren't changing. Nebraska. Micah Parsons has said some pretty despicable things about Penn State himself. What? What'd he say? More recently. You know, when he was coming into the draft, there were a lot of rumors circulating. Oh, geez louise.

Hey, look, I didn't say it. He did. Let's get to some actual football stuff. Derek Carr just signed a three-year extension with the Raiders, $121.5 million. We don't know what's guaranteed and what's real and what isn't real at this point. Rap Report reported that.

So now Josh McDaniel has got Chandler jones in there they bring over fucking max crosby for another four years 98 million dollars uh davante adams trades for 142 and a half million derrick car now 121 and a half the irs is looking into the books mark davis is building a new house and las vegas seems to be coming alive how excited are you for the raiders faithful that are about to have a squad, it feels like, in a very difficult AFC West? Well, they're about to have a squad and some also, like, really high-profile star players, too.

So I think they're going to be a destination to go watch them play. I mean, Josh McDaniels, he won a playoff game with Timmy Thibault in Denver, correct? Against the Steelers, yes. No, it was John Fox. Was it? Yeah, McDaniels wasn't coaching. Oh. McDaniels wasn't coaching. Oh.

McDaniels wasn't there yet? Okay. Right there on us. Jesus. That guy got fired after. He got fired before, yeah. Oh, thank you, Nick. Tebow was still the QB, but John Fox was coaching the team.

McDaniels got fired before that. Wow. Oh, the defense wasn't great that year. I was saying he's got to at least get to a playoff game and hopefully win one this first year. Not good, yeah. He was so bad. He was so bad. He was so bad.

He came out and said that he's trying not to make it like the Patriot way. So I believe there was a conversation that happened in cafeteria. Probably Matt Patricia, Josh McDaniel, Mangini. Joe Judge. Joe Judge. There was probably an entire meal that was had. And they were like, well, you think we all suck as head coaches? Like what do you think took place?

And Matt Patricia was like, I went in there, and I laid out exactly what we do here, and they just refused to buy it, and they said I lost the locker room, I was on a quad, I broke my ankle, I did my knee, and nobody ever bought in. Joe Judge was like, I tried to do the same fucking thing. I didn't do it. Push-ups and pads.

I just got to do it. Push-ups and pads, trying to instill a little bit of a disciplined culture and everything like that. And then you got Mangini there. I had him doing Oklahoma drills at 6 a.m. on Wednesday. Like, I was trying to get that in there as well. And Josh McDaniels was like, oh, he should have heard what I was doing. I mean, we were filming everybody.

I mean, that came out on literally the I Am Athlete podcast, I believe, or the Pivot. I don't remember which one. That is 100% on me. We were cheating. Yeah, we were winning. We were cheating. Yeah, we were winning. We were cheating. We were watching the film on everybody. And then maybe they had like a waffle.

Maybe they got through French toast. I don't know if it was a brunch or a lunch or a dinner. And they were having a full conversation. If any of us ever get an opportunity to be a head coach again, let's fucking just not do the Patriot way. So let's do the complete opposite. So this morning, Daron Harmon said that he met with Josh McDaniels, and he's trying to create a culture that is not the Patriot way, Peter Schrager reported. That's a brilliant decision, probably a good idea,

because if you don't have a resume of 20-plus years of having success, the most amount of Super Bowls, the last living dynasty in the NFL, and probably all professional sports, you probably won't be reviewed the same exact way as Bill Belichick being an asshole. This is smart. This is a good idea by Josh McDaniels. I'm loving everything I'm hearing out of this.

I would love to see Josh McDaniels' plan that he has going in place because I did listen to him, I believe, at the Combine talk about why he will be a much better head coach now the second time around. He learned from all of his mistakes. Don't you want to know the specifics of how he like things that he may change from what he's been used to for 15 years with bill or however long it's been well me and matt patricia we were talking about it and uh we actually first team meeting we pointed out the starting quarterbacks and said you guys fucking stink okay just like bill did to tom just like bill did to tom we thought that was

really going to set the tone and then we didn didn't win, like, the next eight games, and everybody kind of turned on us. So I'm not going to do that this time. It's going to be a little different. Not everybody's Tom Brady, and I'm not Bill Belichick. So I'm going to do that. Like, I wonder what it is about the specific things that he tried or said or did that he was like, well, I can't do that anymore.

Hindsight's 20-20. Now, he did get along with Mac Jones, right? Him and Mac got along very well? They had a great relationship, and obviously we saw Mac and Bill have a pretty good relationship too but i mean he's probably what a player's coach now like is that kind of how you make that change i don't know because he's bill belichick not a player's coach no uh but players love him yeah but he kind of that's why bill is weird though because he kind of is like remember it was it um spikes telling

the story how like he's like bill doesn't care about what you're wearing like in the meeting rooms or what you're he's a girl you watch him gronk these guys walk in in pajamas do and walk through as long as you don't make a mistake bill could care less what any of that stupid extra stuff looks like so he treats you like a true professional if you're able to handle that well and then there's some of those mic'd ups or whatever where he's just twirling that whistle walking around the door and warm-ups like having conversations it doesn't seem like everybody hates him you know it doesn't seem like that's the case they don't seem to all be on like they're they're scared to death that he comes near him but i'm sure they are a little bit i've seen some i've heard some situations of non-player coaches

those players all hate the coach and they're rallying together around their hatred by the way for the like hey we all have a common bond here. What is it? Well, fucking hate that guy. All right. And the assistant coaches, by the way, also. So I feel like the player-coach, non-player-coach thing, fascinating. But I would assume it would be a much more friendly atmosphere than it was the last time he tried to be a head coach.

You would think that that would be the decision that he would make to make himself a better head coach. Yeah, absolutely. And it feels like that was kind of make to make himself a better head coach. Yeah, absolutely. And it feels like that was kind of a transition Bill even made at some point. Oh, yeah, he started smiling? He started smiling. They started having linemen do like, you know, yeah, catch punts to not run or whatever. But also, doesn't the, like, everyone rally around the team together

to hate the head coach work like sometimes back then? Because wasn't it the entire 1985 bears documentary about how they just hated dicka and they were playing for buddy ryan and they won the super bowl that happens in a lot of places i think still not a lot of places but in places i think it still happens yeah i think there's a pretty good amount of hate for the head coach in some places usually if you usually if you hate that like it's different if you said they're – if they hate it. I don't know the situation, but allegedly they hate Ditka and they're playing for Buddy Ryan.

Buddy Ryan, I'm sure they respect and think he's a great coach. But if you just have a head coach you despise and no other great coaches, then you're really screwed. You need a good coach in there somehow to rally behind and actually set you up too. What would your coaching style be? Be an asshole? I don't think so but it's

hard not to yell when you get out there it's hard not to like yeah oh because you're coaching right now you're you're in and yeah multiple different sports i have yeah and it's just i don't i don't during games i definitely don't practice it's easy to get frustrated but i i'm super positive don't believe me that means you care right i mean if you, if you're invested, you care. If I was the coach, it would be – All right, well, that's good. I'm not yelling. Hey, I legit found that with my daughter. Like, she likes being coached hard. She thinks if I'm like, hey, good job.

Hey, guys, don't worry. We're going to be fine. I think in her brain, she's told me, like, she thinks that's garbage, and I'm just lying to them. She's like, why are you lying? And she gets pissed. And then if I really coach her hard and get upset and tell her stuff, she responds better.

It's a weird situation. She listens to her dad speak all the time. So her being super analytical, like, hey, don't give me that garbage. Yeah, she knows. Yeah, sort through the bullshit. We just lost by 20. Dad, let me know what happened to her. That's awesome.

That's good news. She's going to go on to do whatever she wants probably with that mindset. Yeah, we hope so. We'll see. Being able to be coach is a big deal, I think, too. Being coachable? Are you kidding me? I bet your wife appreciates. I'm sure you're very coachable. If you tell me something or give me a list, I'm great at accomplishing things that are easy like that. Listen, if you're right, I'm in. It's tough to get me on board if you're wrong, though. I'm not talking about with my wife. I'm talking about the coaching It's tough to get me on board if you're wrong though. You know, and I'm not talking about with my wife. I'm talking about the coaching through the history of me with coaches. If you're

right, I'm 100% all in. I will do it. If you can lay out how we get to the success, I'm 100% in. But if there's a lot of, well, that sounds like a bunch of bullshit. It's going to be tough to get me. It's going to be tough to get me. I've just always kind of been that way. But like Tom McMahon, for instance, he, other than my dad, my dad was like my first ever coach. Tom McMahon and I, I think he got me better than anybody, but I think it's because he was a good fucking coach. Like there's just different ways to go about doing it. I assume Josh McDaniels is just going to try a different style with this.

But inevitably, you're only going to know one way. I remember I asked Rich Rodriguez. Yeah. He came back. He was offense coordinator for Ole Miss, and I was calling the Egg Bowl. And as a commentator, you get to chat with the coaches and the players before the game. And this is my first time talking to Rich Rodriguez since, I think,

Coach Stu's funeral, which was a long time ago. And that was just a quick, hey, how are you? And there's a lot that happened in there. So my first question was a quick hey all right i'll see you and there's a lot there's a lot that happened in there so my first question was literally like all right you took some time away and a lot of shit happened you know did you get a chance to reflect and uh change anything about how you go about coaching because he's a he's a he's a hard ass he is a it is going to be tough like it is going to be i have heard yes it is going to be a difficult practice it's going to be a difficult workout it's going to be difficult everything It is going to be. I have heard, yes. It is going to be a difficult practice. It is going to be a difficult workout. It is going to be a difficult everything.

But he wins everywhere. Everywhere he goes, inevitably he wins. People say at Michigan he didn't. You give him another probably recruiting class, he's probably going to get that team. 100%. Going to do his thing. Same thing at Arizona.

They were starting to go, and then he got caught up with a bunch of shit. So he wins games. So we have respect for him. He said, Pat, you know, I fucking took the time to look at myself as a man and as a father and as a husband and as a coach. And I reflected.

And then as soon as that whistle got back in my hand, I realized I only know one fucking way. And I just started dying laughing. I started dying laughing because I was him trying to be kumbaya for like the first period. Like, all right, good effort, guys. And then somebody does something. He's like, that wasn't a good effort, actually was a fucking horse shit effort we were wasting everybody's time

out here and because you're not playing well now everybody has to play bad do you ever think about that there's a lot bigger than fucking you do you ever do that and then he was probably that's it that's how i'm staying and if you don't like it like that is the type of thing like josh mcdaniel will he fall back into the exact coach that he's always been, even though he's trying to do some things differently, or is he just critiquing some things? With that roster, they should be great. They should be very, very, very good. Yeah, it felt like when the last time he was a head coach,

like the game itself was so much different. Like for Rich Rod, like is it much harder when you're the head coach or you're the OC and you've always been a hard ass, and it's like, all right, I'm not going to change my way whereas Josh was a head coach kind of came back got humbled a little bit spent his time as an OC almost went to the Colts to be a head coach and then turned the plane around and maybe even then he was saying you know I'm not ready for this yet because at least as of recent memory with the Patriots he's never really been like a fiery fiery guy like he might have been with Denver yeah it seems to be super chill.

Much more relaxed. Other than fucking over the Colts. Yeah. Wow. Which was awesome. All right, let's talk about some other stuff going on around the NFL. Congrats to Derek Carr. Jeez Louise.

We don't know how much is guaranteed yet. No, we have no idea. It was just reported. Three-year extension, $121.5 million. That's a lot of fucking money. Oh, yeah. $40 a year, I think they said. Because J.C. Tretter was calling for, you know,

hey, now's the time for everybody to start requesting and demanding full guaranteed contracts because J.C. Tretter said, did you know that guaranteed contracts are not included in the CBA for any sport? But we can make them the norm across the NFL. Here's how, based on what we can learn from the other major sports leagues, NFLPA post, it was an entire thing. Basically, he's saying that in the CBA for basketball, baseball, hockey,

it's not, like, mandatory that these contracts be guaranteed. It's just how business has been done in those leagues for so long. In the NFL, it has never been the way business goes to give guaranteed contracts at a high level. Now, there's obviously been outliers and anomalies. Kirk Cousins did it years ago. Deshaun Watson just got 230. And the NFLPA is now pushing like, hey, more people should be commanding guaranteed money

because that's the only thing that matters in any contract. It's been reported for decades what guys are signing for, and it's all basic bullshit. It is not real. So now is the time is what he's wondering. I wonder if Derek Carr got that memo, and I wonder how much of it is actually guaranteed because I think Stafford got like $121 million guaranteed, I believe. Aaron got $150 guaranteed. Deshaun got $2 million guaranteed, I believe. Aaron got $150 guaranteed. Deshaun got $230 guaranteed.

It feels like there has been a trend of quarterbacks getting guaranteed money, a lot of it. Quarterbacks is the key. Does anybody else, do we have any other contracts at any other position where someone's full, gigantic contract is guaranteed? And could you see this ever getting to other positions? What's Tyreek Hill get? 72.2, I think.

Dave's got 69, I think. Devontae Adams? 70. Yeah, but when's it going to be like hockey or something where it's like, hey, you play your contract out or they have to buy you out? Yeah, I don't know. Hockey, notoriously bad business, people. Yeah, that salary cap, too, makes even less sense than NFL.

Yeah, Tampa Bay's been cheating it the whole time. They're winning Stanley Cups. It's a bunch of bullshit, you ask me. They give 10, 11-year contracts in the NHL, though. That used to be the thing. Sid got one. They're capped now at eight. Yeah, they give long contracts, long, long bullets.

So whenever those sign, it's a massive number, and I think it's fully guaranteed. Nick, has anyone signed an eight-year deal and been bought out like two years in? No, no, not that soon into it. There were a couple recently in the past couple years. I think David Clarkson was one. He signed a massive deal and got bought out pretty early into it,

but not in the past couple years. None of them are like the NBA contracts. Those are awesome. No. NBA contracts are the best. Super Max is Super Max, Mega Max. Oh, he stayed with his team, the home Super Duper Trooper Max. Russ is making $45 million a year. Russ didn't know what super duper trooper, Max. Yeah, Russ is making $45 million a year.

Russ didn't know what was going on with him and Frank. Yeah, what the hell? Why did Frank like me? Yeah, what did he say? Did he elaborate on that? I just saw the headline. No, I assume the internet let the jokes fly. Oh, yeah.

Well, Russ, you were passing the ball 14 rows deep in the stands. You know what I mean? And you were shooting the ball off the side of the backboard. I heard Russ is going to be back. Huh? I heard he's going to be back with the Lakers next year. He has to be, doesn't he, unless they trade him? Well, Matt Barnes told us that the other day.

All the Smoke podcast hosts and ESPN NBA contributor. He, 14 years in the NBA champion, does smoke marijuana copious amounts. But he said that they're not going to be able to move him. They're stuck, basically. Can they do anything in basketball where he can agree to a restructured contract do they even do that can they do like the salary cap gymnastics that you have to do in the nfl i wonder just ask him to take a well i know we would i don't think guys in the nba don't do that yeah why would you as soon as one t you never would have to yeah and as soon as one person does that by the way right then it doesn't matter there's

no reason to like you got to pay me no you have to pay me no matter what. Well, that's like in baseball, too. There was a guy, the Orioles signed a first baseman, Chris Davis. He signed like a $180 million contract because he had one good year. And then a couple years later, he's batting like 115, and they're just hamstrung. It's like, well, you can't do anything because no one wants the guy, and you have to pay him. They just had to play him.

That's what the NFL wants to stay away from. Yes. The NFL wants to stay away from players Yes, the NFL wants to stay away from players having any type of leverage. Basically. I mean, pretty much the owners are not going to let this become the NBA. Well, there for a while, I think we realized the worth of star

players, though. Whenever thinking about doing, whenever the lockout was happening, there was never a conversation about shittier players. Right? There was never a conversation about let's get shittier players in the NFL. It's like, nah, nah, we're going to keep these good guys. And then when they cut out celebrations and uniforms

and everybody was getting fined, you have to look the exact same, you have to act the exact same, you can't do anything. That's because the NFL wanted to be able to just plug and place people. So if they all look the same and nobody celebrates and nobody does anything or acts any different other than the style of play and how good they are, we can just plug and place this thing forever. Players aren't worth a fuck.

And then literally the game got worse because the entertainment value went down, the celebration, everything. It became a massive conversation piece, and they had to change that a little bit. They had to adapt. So I think there was a concession by the NFL that star players do matter and that players do matter in this entire thing. concession by the NFL that star players do matter and that players do matter in this entire thing but in all business situations with the NFL they are trying to beat the player's ass at all at all cost that's what they're doing and they don't even know they got a rat they got a they got a wolf in the hen house lying to them about their own money in their own meetings and they're fucking trying to attack us it's like if I'm the NFL PA, the next time I walk into one of those meetings,

I'm feeling a lot more comfortable. I say, you motherfuckers don't even have your ducks in a row, okay? Before we even get in there, you know? Like that is how the NFL business operates, AJ. Yeah, they should. And I guess the owners, yeah. I don't know what more the owners can do. You can't sit there and talk in those.

Like the owners, only them in the same room. Okay, man, we can't be doing this Deshaun Watson contract anymore. Can they actually, you think people will actually agree to it though? That's that one per club meeting. Yeah. I think that is what happens in those meetings. I think that's when they handle all the, like, because I assume there's no media in there. It's only one per club, right?

And Goodell is probably in there. And then there's, hey, this is the meeting the meeting that hey everything that's going to be said and this is what all the lawsuits and litigation against the nfl probably go against right because the um like when you what what is it black ball no uh is that what it's called black ball somebody yeah yeah when you like basically put them on like that happened with colin cappany right i think we all very much understand that i would assume that that one per club meeting is when it happens because nothing's being recorded it's not a text it's not a phone they're there in a room all by themselves I feel like that's when they do all that like the the shoddy conversation about the Deshaun Watson deal and then the Katie Taylor uh of the Bengals conversation that all came after that one per

club meeting when everybody was like what the fuck all right you can it. I think that's when they air it all out. I don't know because I'm not in there, but I would assume there's some sort of strategy. This is the Bilderberg meeting of NFL owners. What's that? Connor can tell you. No, I actually can't. I'm glued to my chair right now. Oh, I can't wait to hear what this is.

I mean, geez louise. Oh, no, I mean, Ty, no. It's just where a bunch of powerful leaders around the world get together to congregate and talk, I guess. I don't know. Alex Jones is big on it. All right. All right.

We're going to get to a break. Okay. I'm just telling you. Just give me a reference point, bud. All right. We're going to get to a break. But yes. It's just like.

I would assume it is kind of like the Build-A-Burger. Yeah, sure. Very similar to Build-A-Burger. It's very similar to Build-A-Burger. Yeah. Well, that's where you handle. That's where they handle the top secret business. Top secret?

What happens in that one per club meeting? That's probably been a part of so many lawsuits. I mean, none of them ever turn away. Does anyone take the minutes? Does anyone record anything? They have to. There's got to be some sort of log of that somewhere. Jerry, maybe. I don't know, man. Because you've got to think about the what the 700 000 emails they made a decision on that one yeah hey listen

everybody needs to shut the fuck up coming out of here mark davis was like i do think they should fucking yeah and then he put his backpack on went back in the room and jersey you shut the fuck up mark you shut the fuck i'm gonna take your fucking. I'll do it. I'll take the batteries out. AJ. Yep. Information regarding Derek Carr's contract is coming out. I guess it is not as great as it sounds, which is always the case with most NFL contracts other than Aaron Rodgers'. Now, Aaron Rodgers' was reported exactly for what the money is because he's Aaron Rodgers.

That's right. And because there became quite a to do about how much he was making, what he was making. We are finding a tweets during the break there that I guess the truth is starting to trickle out regarding the Derek Carr deal. He could make as little as twenty24.9 million for one year with the Raiders having the ability to move on in 2023. So it's a one-year $25 million deal, it sounds like, with the option from the team to opt in or opt out, which is nowhere near as good as it originally sounded, $121.5 million for three years.

No, especially when the team has the power to make the decision whether they basically move on or not like it's not like Derek has an opt-out clause or something which by the way opt-out clauses are awesome and everybody should be negotiating them into all of their contracts because you have no idea what the world's going to look like one month from now let alone one year from now it should be mutually beneficial but also you should take care of yourself uh that's from Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk. He's a former lawyer.

He reads through all of these things and somehow gets the information. Joining us now, another insider, another two-time Sports Emmy-nominated host. Ladies and gentlemen, from Good Morning Football and also insider for Fox, Peter Schrager. Good job, dude. What's going on, guys? From Good Morning Football and also insider for Fox, Peter Schrager. What's up, dude? What's going on, guys? Yeah, Florio's great at that.

I'm not that guy. I look at those numbers and I can't do the math, and I just almost like defer that one. That's like my big weak spot. I don't know how to read the contracts or tell you the accurate numbers. I almost stray away or stay away from even reporting numbers because I know they're never accurate, and when they they first come out it's usually from the agent side and it's going to look as good as possible so the agent looks like he did a great job okay so i was about to ask you why you think it's been that way for a long time that's definitely the case right

the agents are the ones that do the deals the agents are also the ones that would like people to know that they did the deal and anytime you're negotiating a hundred million dollar contract you should feel proud of yourself. That is something you should definitely take as, you know, like put a lot of – NFLPA too, though. NFLPA likes to have those numbers out there, obviously. Yep, it helps. And I'll tell you, the teams will often – when I break news, the teams will say, hey, we've agreed to terms with player X.

Go with that. And I'll say, what are the numbers? And they'll say, we don't give the numbers. So very rarely are the teams going to be boasting about how much they're paying their guy which leads to the discrepancy and then usually a day later the contracts are out in this case it sounds like florio's got it today and then you'll get the yeah buts and say yeah well actually if you look at it this way and at the end of the day it's like these guys are all really wealthy do we really need to matter whether it was 24 or 25 well we do yeah well we do Because the thought process from a player's perspective of their family, their friends, everybody they're going to encounter forever, business people, their life.

Like whenever you see $121 million for another three years for Derek Carr, we immediately, I think everybody's like, oh, this guy is wealthy, like super duper wealthy. And he is there. But then you start getting in taxes and actual like clauses and what the money really is. I think it's just a different perspective on a lot of guys than what might be out there from a human standpoint. With that being said, Chris Pronger, former NHL-er, he's putting out multiple threads describing. Pronger's been great. Yes. Have you read his tweets about the business side of the NFL? Because everybody saw that documentary, Broke. It's a very real thing because the numbers are very rarely what we hear publicly no and

pronger said you know i got all this money when i was 18 fortunately i had the right people around me and i didn't have that he's like but the biggest thing are the people within your little inner circle and at some point you gotta turn the spigot off and we learned you know antoine walker had that thing where you know he'd give out huge amounts of money and he'd make a $100 million contract, but he had nothing to show for it at the end because his circle was so big and those guys were almost on a retainer where we go to Vegas, I'm giving you a lot of cash, and that's kind of what it's going to be, and that can't be forever.

Yeah, and I can't judge anybody. I mean, if I didn't make the team my second year, I would have had $0. Zero dollars. I would have had no debt, but, man, I had a good time. Went to Africa, went to Europe, was down in L.A. Zero dollars. I would have had no debt. But man, I had a good time. Went to Africa. Went to Europe. Was down in LA. New Mexico. I mean, New York. I was having the time of my life. I was

living great. It's not as easy as everybody makes it out to be like, hey, take care of your money. And also, you've got to stretch it forever. So I think that's why it's important. Anyways, let's start talking football here. Hey, we saw Pro Football Focus's... What was his name yesterday? He has the podcast. Trevor Sykema.

Trevor Sykema. That's right. Hey, he's got good air, good energy. He did. He looked great. His camera was unbelievable. Just like Collinsworth, Pro Football Focus people have good at-home cameras. They look amazing. He said he chatted with everybody that could be the number one overall pick. Are you guys talking about this on NFL Network?

Is there really a question mark on who's going number one overall? And how many people do you talk to? We know you put out your one mock draft. How many people are you talking to and what are you hearing about draft day? Yeah, look, Aiden Hutchinson has been what everyone's putting in pen as the number one overall pick. But the more and more we get closer to the draft, the Trent Baalke factor becomes real. And when I say that, it's you look at Baalke's history in San Francisco. He took Anthony Davis over Brian Bulaga. Anthony Davis was a project out of Rutgers. Bulaga was a sure thing out of Iowa.

He's taken guys like Alden Smith over J.J. Watt and Robert Quinn. Alden Smith was awesome in his first few years in the league. But at the time when he drafted him, it was more about, hey, look at this guy's physical abilities. Wait until we get a load of him and he gets our coaching over guys like Watt and Robert Quinn and Cam Hayward who were more established. So there are better physical specimens in this draft than Aiden Hutchinson. And that is Trayvon Walker and Kayvon Thibodeau as far as pass rusher goes when you just do the metrics of that stuff. And year after year when he was in San Francisco, Trent Baauke took those types of players over maybe the more finished product i also said this today on good morning football and this was not the good show good show thank you it's really

good um it's a sports emmy nominated back to you shout out bro we got nominated for an emmy no big the uh you know hutchinson i talked to a gm and he's like all these you know you see a big Bro, we got nominated for an Emmy. No big deal. Yeah. Oh, Patrick's over on the back. Hutchinson, I talked to a GM, and he's like, you see a big white defensive end wearing number 97. You're like, that's a Bosa brother. And it's not. He's not that player. And the comparison that I was given is, you know, coming out, he's got Trey Hendricksonson type qualities or he's got you know

tj watt when he first got in the league type qualities which these were not finished products and they weren't these like you know freak of nature micah parsons nick bosa type guys so be careful with the hyperbole in this draft there isn't that unicorn prospect and aiden hutchinson coming into the league isn't viewed necessarily by these teams as this absolutely slam dunk no-brainer 10-time all-pro okay got it shrigs how do we separate what is garbage from what may be truth that's floated out there from here into the draft we know we're going to hear a million different things how do we know like is there any any clues we can look for on hey this may have some truth to it keep like four periods and tweets that are bullshit you think yeah uh it's funny it's like um i try to put out stuff as accurate as it is and from my handle and on on our show and i've said this before to you guys like i'd

like to think that the information i'm getting is pretty rock solid but what we get now is a lot of tweets where it's like i'm hearing this per source and you don't know what that means and where that source is and i'm not questioning some of those um but even if you don't put those tweets out i'm questioning some of them you don't put those tweets out i do i do like i i have them a very good source that you know jameson williams and garrett wilson are potentially top 10 picks and they're wide receivers you don't see them going top 10 in mock drafts. I'll put that out there because it's good content and it lets you noodle on things. But those come from teams in the top 10 who are like,

we've got these guys really high on our board. So I feel confident with doing that. But when you start getting, you know, the second round prospect being, you know, I hear he's going top five or gosh, I hear that this team loves this player and it's, well, where are you getting that from? So it's got to be careful. Trust who you trust. And over the years, I think there's track records as to like who knows that stuff now when i hear like is this prospects rising up boards be skeptical of that because a lot of times these teams had those players at that point in the boards it just wasn't on the

mock drafts to do that way so you said trust who you trust it's like that's i think that's changing every day shrieks isn't it i mean isn't it changing every single day who do you trust trust who you trust it's like that's i think that's changing every day shrieks isn't it i mean isn't it changing every single day who do you trust yeah who do you listen to who should we be thinking about from shrag's mind who he trusts who he trusts who you trust are you asking that guy so my colleague who you're having on the show like daniel jeremiah this guy is really plugged in and worked in front of yes here we go that's what he says you know over the years uh mcshay and kuiper have pretty good track records about what they're saying when these things come about as far as hey this is where this guy is being projected maybe not team for team but

like i i feel like when you put your name out there and you're on these national television things like you can't have these huge whiffs so you want to be as accurate as possible when maybe you don't um have it and you're up and coming and you're like i'm gonna do it you could be right you could hit home runs but it also gives you the the you know the chance of of taking a big swing and a miss like i i've had big misses before and they were younger on in my career and i'd like to think i don't have as big a missus but like i thought matt barkley was going first round and like a lot of people told me he went fourth round. I thought Connor Cook was a first round pick, and I had him in a mock draft going first round. Bad information.

He went fourth round. That kind of stuff sticks with me, and I don't like making those mistakes. Shoot or shoot, man. Yeah, and also, is that because you're scouting or because of what you're hearing from people? Yeah, and that's where I get in the problem of the scouting thing for the beginning part of my career. A lot of times I'd be like, well, I don't see why he's not.

He won Rose Bowl MVP. Connor Cook is a first-round pick. None of that shit matters. Let's go back to what I do. I'm a reporter, and that's where I kind of have more accuracy when I just report on what I feel like I'm hearing and not when I'm trying to be Mr. GM. AJ, you're right.

Shooters do shoot, but we need to not shoot blanks, especially whenever people got to talk about it for three hours every single day. Some people do that. You'd like to be right. Mel Kuyper. Hey, Shranks, fors, you know, especially whenever people got to talk about it for three hours every single day. You know, some people do that. You'd like to be right. Mel Kuyper. Hey, Shranks, for us, you've always been right. Hell yeah.

Yeah. And if you're wrong, we don't want to be right. Anyways, Mel Kuyper didn't even know what position I was getting drafted to play. You know, he actually said that I was going to be holding Adam Vinatieri's bags and watching him kick on the practice field. I was like, well, I'm getting drafted to be punter. I was surprised by it as well, Mel, but I would have wished

that you would fucking... I'm almost trying to ruin my goddamn draft day, this guy. Yeah, literally, I'm hugging my dad having a moment. I'm like, we did it. We were doing this.

It's at a position we don't know. We'll figure that out later. And I got Mel chirping in the back. This guy. Some people. He's going to be holding Vinatieri's bags. Wrong position, you fucking asshole.

I actually liked you before this whole thing. I heard you like pumpkin pie or whatever. Oh, yeah. And whipped cream. Yeah, I'll get past that. But it's an interesting game because there is a lot of lies. Go ahead, Ty. Shregs, we're hearing a lot about Debo Samuel potentially being traded by the 49ers

and that Shanahan, they'll listen to any offers. Is there a chance that he actually is gonna maybe get moved on draft night especially with the Niners not having a first round pick and wanting to get back into uh the first round or is that just all bullshit all right the Niners love Debo Samuel and they love what he's about and they love that he bounced back from an injury last year and played the way he did and uh he's a very valuable piece but here's the here's the the fact I've been told multiple times by but here's the here's the the fact i've been told multiple times by people in the know it's like the niners have a long history of

they they pay their guys when they think it's time to pay their guys like george kittle had to wait till august of his contract year after having a super bowl awesome season uh last year fred warner is like the ultimate guy they love him there. He's like the most beloved. But he waited until July to get his. And you go down the list, whether it's Juszczyk or whether it was Trent Williams or whoever you want to go towards in that building who has gotten those new deals, they all did not just say, I want to get paid now and get paid now. They had to wait. And Nick Bosa's contract is coming up also. And I don't know how you value Nick Bosa versus Debo Samuel or however it is,

but it becomes this thing where I use the same analogy with Kyler Murray. Just because you say you want to get paid now doesn't mean they're going to just pay you now. And I think they will figure this out and they will take care of Debo Samuel, but it might not be on Debo's timetable. Now, if he's got the leverage and the confidence and the chutzpah, if you will, to say, I'm sitting out, I'm holding out. That's a mensch. That's a good word.

You know, to my Yiddish. If he has the courage to do that and say, hey, I'm holding out unless you give me this deal, well, then that pushes the envelope and makes them make a decision. But I don't see the Niners tripping all over themselves to pay Debo just because of a couple of tweets and unfollows on Instagram. All right, let's follow up with that. He was in a picture, obviously, 25 million was the number.

Is that becoming just a new thing, what you're hearing from wide receiver market? And how are teams going to – because you obviously have a lot of friends in the team's position, knowing that if you pay a quarterback, you're probably going to have to pay a wide receiver too because those two are coming together. Is that just a new lump sum that they're figuring out? Unless you're Green Bay, who says

eh, we're not. Or you're Kansas City, who says It's going to get interesting on draft night. Mark Murphy said that. Yeah, he did. Make a move. Kansas City, who says eh, Travis Kelsey, $100 million. You're 29 years old.

Let them deal with that right now. We'll roll the dice with what we can get in the draft, and we'll take that $80 million and we'll spend it elsewhere. You see teams like the Dolphins and the Raiders and the Bills who doubled down with Stephon Diggs, and they're like, we're all in. Then you start looking at, is Terry McLaurin that next guy? Is it DK Metcalf? And you wonder, like, some of these teams are going to be like, I don't know. And if I can get two first-round picks, maybe I can do that.

Because the Vikings were facing this with Stephon Diggs, and they traded him and essentially got the 22nd overall pick. And as good as Diggs has been for Buffalo, I think a lot of Vikings fans would say, hey, we're pretty happy with Justin Jefferson on the rookie contract, too. Yeah, well, you're going to have to pay him. The whole conversation about Carson Wentz not having any, allegedly no competition from the commanders for the Colts to get Carson Wentz. So I don't know if Ballard just played his cards right or if that was a complete bullshit report. But nonetheless, a lot of people were saying, like, we would much rather have almost Heineken on a $2 million salary or $4 million salary than Carson

in a $30 million salary. And we would rather, one other executive said, we'd rather have Baker Mayfield on his $8 or $9 million salary than Carson Wentz on like a $25, $30 million salary. Money is the decision being made post that first week of free agency tampering

period, you think? Is that the decision in every single conversation? Yeah, but there's also, as you guys know, there's ways to fudge the stuff, and you can front-load contracts and restructure the Saints. Oh, yeah, because the cap's fake. It's not fake, but there's ways to manipulate it. And, like, the Saints have a guy named Kai Hartley

who's in their front office. He's their salary cap guy, and he restructured about 10 deals in 24 hours. There's a guy, Mike Greenberg in Tampa their salary cap guy and he restructured about 10 deals in 24 hours uh there's a guy mike greenberg in tampa salary salary cap guy restructures everybody hey greenberg is that dude by the way oh yeah greenberg's the man um and then you go team by team it's not just the gms who scout the talent you also have the salary cap guys who their whole charge is to make it work so in kansas city a guy like Brent Tillis, that's his name. And that's what he does. Like he's working the numbers all day long to make sure we can make these deals happen. So yes, the money matters. But if you've got a real savvy

person at the switch, you can figure out a way to pay them later, get rid of some guys that we could pay others more. And there's always a way to kind of kick it down the can, can down the road to make it work if you really want to win this year. Now there's always a way to kind of kick it down the can, can down the road to make it work if you really want to win this year. Now, that'll inevitably catch up to them? Yeah, inevitably, you got to pay the piper. And when, when, like in a show game, for instance, when people aren't embezzling money

or doing whatever they're doing, it's like a show game. I got a chance to watch a Ponzi scheme, not watch, but kind of learn about because it was taking place here in Indianapolis where somebody would buy a house like an investment you would buy a house I'm realtor you'd buy house and I'll be like hey I'll sell this house in like two weeks for 10% more just need this money and then boom you would sell

another house that was basically owned by you to another owner and then inevitably you when you run out of houses, you run out of the game. So that's how you kind of get caught up there. Is that what it is? Like when you run out of years on these contracts and you run out of players, when players retire and get hurt, like how do you get, how do you get fucked? At some point you're Joe Shane of the New York giants. And you look at your books and say, we've got $40 under the cap. What the, what's going on? And then you have tosign guys and you have to cut guys and you have to restructure contracts at some point the bleeding has to stop now the rams you know they keep on kicking the can down the road a little bit but they're doing it with short-term

deals so that there's relief it's these teams that continue to sign guys to huge deals and then they have the dead cat money like all these teams they do have to pay the piper eventually when brady's gone from tampa it's going to be some dark times. They put themselves in a good space for 2022, but at some point all that money is going to have to be paid. Oh, you're saying when he goes and owns the Dolphins? Yes, when he goes and joins Bruce Beal and they own the Dolphins and Sean Payton's the coach. Yes, man.

How come we didn't hear about that? I don't know. I don't know all the details. I'm reading the same stuff you are. And really, I go by reality and all that stuff is speculation. And, you know, I think the reporting is good from Ben Volan, Boston Globe, and I think Florio has been on it. I got to be honest, though, as a reporter, I haven't been able to dig in on all that. And when you've got multiple people saying those stories were in the works and that the Brian Flores lawsuit is what held that up,

I would not say that's an impossible story to believe. Well, I would like to let everybody know, if Tom Brady becomes Jackie Moon, I'm all about it. Sorry about it in Tampa. Sounds terrible. And we do love the Tampa Bay Cougar on Caneers and the city of Tampa Bay. But if we have a player-owner coach going on, I'm excited for the times ahead. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Shrakes, you mentioned Kyler and the Cardinals. We know that you're best friends with Cliff Kingsbury, so we know that you know the answer to this. Is Kyler going to get paid in the next two weeks like he asked before the draft? We got FaZe Clan. Yeah, is he just gaming with FaZe Clan and playing Fortnite all year? Love FaZe Clan. Great gaming team he's on.

They take care of their people. Congrats to Destroying Violet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big fan. year love phase clan great gaming team he's on they take care of their people um congrats to destroying my life big fan um i i don't know if he will to be honest i don't know i don't know if kyler's getting paid i i don't know where they are with it i honestly don't and as of the last time i spoke with kingsbury i know talks were ongoing but i can't tell you that that's going to happen in the next two weeks and if it does great but i also didn't know derrick carl was getting his contract today either so uh that that's going to happen in the next two weeks. And if it does, great. But I also didn't know Derek Carr was getting his contract today either. So that's how that goes. I'm sure talks are ongoing.

I'm excited to see how Cliff Kingsbury and the Cardinals feel about Derek Carr's contract that just got signed, as opposed to like Deshaun Watson's contract that just got signed. Lamar Jackson, he's waiting for at least a couple more contracts for quarterbacks to be signed after this. Derek Carr won allegedly only $24.9 million one year, and then team opt-out after that via Mike Florio, a pro football talk. He's very good at lawyering and reading through all that stuff. Former lawyer, that's his thing. Three stooges right here on the screen do not understand the works of NFL contracts,

but we know most of them are bullshit. Go ahead, Tony. Shregs, how come you're talking about Matty Corral, number six overall? Yeah, there's a lot of heat around him. And when I say that, now people are like, all right, he was injured at the combine and you didn't get a good look at him there, so the buzz wasn't there. But he's now meeting with teams. And this is kind of one of those late risers as far as the buzz goes.

At Ole Miss, was very talented talented played for Lane Kiffin was at Long Beach Poly where he he was a standout in Southern California and then has been has been wonderful in these interviews and his health has checked out 100 so everyone wants to make this a two quarterback draft between Willis and Pickett as to who's going to go first this is such a weird draft where there's some late buzz about Matt Corral and enough good coaching that he's had over the course of his life that he potentially could be the sixth pick to Carolina as well, where they're meeting all the quarterbacks.

And I know Pickett's there right now as we speak. As we wrap this conversation up, thanks for that information, by the way. As we wrap this up are you are you in a hot box right are you smoking right now are you in heaven right now are you in clouds right now is it foggy nice I have a nice light going on right now

it's a good hue smoky smoky hue I'm not like AJ I do not have the cigar I love a mac and noodle oh what do you what do you smoke do you have an endorsement I love a Macanudo. Ooh. What do you smoke? Do you have an endorsement deal? We're not allowed to do that without it being here.

What's your smoke of choice? I have a couple different I like. I like anything medium, mild, Connecticut wrapper, really. I don't like fancy. I don't like the good, expensive stuff people bring you. Okay. Respect. I'm just in my room with good natural light right now, but that's the answer to your question. All right. Well, listen, I assume you smoke really high

flute and tootin' cigars, yeah? Yeah, yeah. I go to the Havana room. Add me cigars. Yes. I go to the Havana room. I got my locker. I got my cig. I got my e-butt. I'm not a big cigar guy, but that is a huge deal here in New York.

Let me tell you something. AJ, as you know, cigar guy likes to that is a huge deal here in New York. And let me tell you something, AJ, as you know, cigar guy likes to talk about his cigars. Oh, yeah. Vegan folks. Yeah, it's awesome. Vegan, CrossFit. What?

Definitely Scotch guy. IPA guy. Yes, and there's the craft brewery guy, which is a whole other movie. Well, listen, it ain't nothing compared to the Pez dispenser guy. We met one of those earlier and it was a wild scene. Ladies and gentlemen, we thank you so much for your time. Peter Schrager.

One half of the hammer. Cowboys 10 digs is here. And I think it's the perfect time to do, you know, season three, episode two of the sports show that's captivating the globe. With Tony Easter's, today is your host, ladies and gentlemen, T4, Tony Bucket's Tasty Tournament Time! Yay!

Thank you, Pat. No problem. We had two really nice games last night. Good finishes in both. Cavs covered the nine and a half. KD and Kyrie both went off, which seems like that's something that they're going to have to do. There was some night.

Bruce Brown for the Nets had a nice little night. And then in the nightcap, you know, the Clippers were winning. They were winning. They were winning. And then those pesky T-Wolves, Tony Edwards, fucking Pat Bev, they won. They got the seventh seed there. It was really an incredible night of basketball. And then tonight we got Charlotte going to Atlanta.

The line there is five and a half. I think I've switched. I think I'm going to take the favorite there. I think I'm going to take the Atlanta Hawks there. You know, I don't want to bet against Trey. That guy's got experience, you know. So I think I'm going to take the favorite there. I think they'll take the Atlanta Hawks there. You know, I don't want to bet against Trey. That guy's got experience, you know, so I think I'm going to go there. And then the nightcap Spurs plus five and a half at the Pelicans. As we said yesterday, I cannot go against Jakob Hertel.

I will be taking the dog plus five and a half. Okay. Jakob's a player. Jakob can shoot. Hey, AJ, did you learn anything in there in that episode two of season three, T4, pal? I did learn a lot, and I actually watched a little bit of the Timberwolves last night. I saw D'Angelo Russell took over right before halftime. Pat Beverly looked amazing.

It was a fun game. Alex Rodriguez was doing it. Yeah, he shredded. He looks good. He looks so good. He could still swing that bat if he had to. Oh, yeah. He's just owning apartments and basketball teams,

and they're back in the playoffs, and they're celebrating, and people are mad at him for celebrating. Yeah, that's ridiculous. I don't like that at all. No. Look at him in the playoffs. Yeah. The playoffs?

Yeah, they're in the playoffs. Let them celebrate. You know what I mean, AJ? I guess so. Have people not done this in the past? Well, I think it's because how hard they celebrate. They celebrated like, okay, they won a playoff game. Yeah, and they did.

They did. They should have been as happy as they were. But people were, you know, mocking how happy they were just to do that, which I think anytime you're knocking people's celebration, you need to fucking cool it. You know what I mean? Honestly, if somebody's having a good time and they're happy, why are we mad about it?

Why are we mad about it? You know what I mean, AJ? That's a great point. They may go on a run and win it all. We don't know. We don't know. Anthony Edwards, the guy's having a good time and they're happy, why are we mad about it? Why are we mad about it? You know what I mean, AJ? That's a great point. They may go on a run and win it all. We don't know. We don't know, Anthony Edwards, the guy's a player! Patrick Beverly was emotional as I fucked those Clippers, dude! I mean, maybe they go on a run there. I'm excited to watch the NBA playoffs

and keep up with Season 3 here of T4. Hell yeah, can't wait. Joining us now is a man who knows a lot more about the NFL draft than anybody else. You heard Peter Schrager, who's a two-time Sports Emmy-nominated host of Good Morning Football, say that the people that he trusts in this whole game have a bunch of bullshit on who's getting drafted where. One person and one person only, Daniel Jeremiah.

Ladies and gentlemen, move the sticks, Daniel Jeremiah. Yeah! Move the sticks! What's up, dude? What's going on, man? Hey, Peter Schrager. Big time. We asked him.

That was nice. Because he told us with like a straight face. He said, you know, in this business, at this time, around the draft, you got to trust who you trust. It's like, what the fuck does that mean, Schrager? Like, that's what we were asking him. Like, who should we be trusting in this whole thing? And he said, I trust Daniel Jeremiah more than anybody because you're a former scout, you're plugged in,

you watch all the film, you're part of the combine coverage. You guys killed it, by the way. Thank you for everything. It's Super Bowl season for you, though, right now. How do you pick apart what's noise and what isn't? How do you pick apart who has better sources in different places than you? Are you constantly learning or are you just always dialed in this whole thing? Yeah, I keep track kind of over the years

of who you got good stuff from and who is kind of leading you down the wrong path. One thing I have realized is that you can get way better information early on in the process. So I got to the point where if you talk to reporters, you guys have, you know when people are,

when you're talking to them and they're like banging on their computer, like, oh my God, he's transcribing everything that I'm saying right now. So I don't want to do that. But when we finish up conversations, I might just write some notes down or something just, hey, early on, they don't really like this player or that player. They like this position, stuff like that. Then at the very end, you try and put it all together. But like sometimes you randomly fall into stuff.

Like I remember when Lamar Jackson was coming out. I was talking to my buddy with the Ravens and their personnel department. And I'm like, dude, you know, what's going on? And he's like, I just picked up my son from practice. So we talked for a long time, like 10, 15 minutes. And I just go, I said, Hey, I said, how are you doing? How's literally going? And his son goes, Oh, good game, Mr. Jeremiah, we're doing really good. I said, who's your favorite player How's Little League going? And his son goes, oh, good game, Mr. Jeremiah. We're doing really good. I said, who's your favorite player in the draft? He goes, Lamar Jackson. I should have known.

I should have known right there. You trust the son. He's honest. He doesn't know how to lead you down the wrong path. He's listening. He's listening, too, at night. Yeah, yeah. You can get information from anywhere.

Go ahead, AJ. Dan, do you keep any kind of scorecard on your sources for people to compare like okay hey what they told me last year was right what they told me the year before was garbage like do you keep track of that yeah and sometimes it's not really even like where they go if you get that right in terms of where they land but sometimes they steer you down the wrong path on on the players you know just in in terms of, hey, I watched my tape myself. I'm going to evaluate the player, but I'm going to rely on teams to kind of help me out if a guy has a medical situation or if maybe there's some type of a character flaw that teams are aware of,

some type of off-the-field incident that I don't know about. So there's been times where people that I know had that information, and when I've talked to them, they didn't relay it to me. You smack them in the mouth? You smack them in the mouth? No, it's just like I'm not going to ask you for anything more like that anymore. Like I just – you kind of screwed me over on that. So that's when I'm like, all right, we'll kind of move on to the next guy in terms of that.

I'm never going to sell anybody down the river. I'm never going to put bad stuff out on kids in terms of that stuff. But it just helps me when the guy is dropping in the draft to be able to say on television, like, hey, you know, there's some stuff teams are sorting through on this guy. And that's why he hasn't gone. How come in this smoke season, basically here, you know, behind who's going to get drafted where,

when bad stories start to come out and then that person gets drafted, inevitably in the end, it's like, oh, that was all a bunch whole bunch of bullshit like Tua for instance Tua yeah right before the draft I mean Tannenbaum who's the former GM of the Dolphins friends with the Dolphins owner he comes out he goes can't draft this guy top five because of his injury history so we have to automatically go like well what is he hearing from the Dolphins that maybe we're not and then there was other stories coming out about his leadership and his personality, and it's like, who is leaking that information? Is that the Dolphins themselves saying that so that they can get some bad pub

for him so they can get him? And like that dirty game that happens as well, is that still a thing? And who do you think is mostly the culprit of doing that type of stuff? Well, first of all, I think it's just kind of lame. Yes, we do too. It's just dumb. It's just dumb to try and do that of all, I think it's just kind of lame. Yes, we do too. It's just dumb. It's just dumb to try and do that. I don't think it's fair to the kids.

I just don't think it's super ethical from a team standpoint either. So one of the things I would say is that the older guard, less information got out with the older guard of GMs, but actually it was more useful information. It might just one little kernel of nugget would, would slip out there and then you knew like, okay, this is probably true that they feel this way or they're going to do this, that or the other.

The younger GMs have actually realized the key is not to make sure nothing gets out. The key is to put everything out. So there's so much confusion and so much information that, that you don't have any clue of what that team's going to do. So I think this younger generation of general managers actually talks more to the media than any of the older guys ever did. Oh, and they kind of play the game. They get it too. And then they burn bridges with guys like you and you're like, well, I'm never doing this with you ever again. You completely lied to me. That's rude. That's not how we're going to do business. Hey,

that's what we had to do. Looking at this draft, Aiden Hutchinson won. Trevon Walker going over top of him over the next two weeks. Schrager said it's Trent Baalke conversation, I guess, like whether or not he wants to get somebody with the most upside. Whether that's Aiden Hutchinson or not, we don't know because, I mean, who knows anything about any of this. But is it pretty laid out here on who's where? Do most mock drafts have it right here, you think?

I don't think anybody knows, really. I mean, I do think that it comes down to those two guys. Early on in the process, the Dutch Axel might take a tackle. But then they go out, they tag Cam Robinson. They go out and bring in Brandon Scherf. They've kind of addressed that offensive line. And I just feel like to kind of get that impact that they want, I think you look at pass rusher and it comes down to those two guys.

Now, for me, I like Trayvon Walker and what he can become. I kind of hope and wish on that. I feel like I know what Aiden Hutchinson can do. I've seen it. I know he can be a dominant player. To me, he's a no-brainer. First overall pick, you're not going to miss on him. And I think when you've been through everything that the Jags have been through

over the last year, I just don't want to hope and wish. I want to know. And I feel like Aiden Hutchinson, to me, is that pick that's just right in the middle of the fairway. Don't overthink it. Is he the only one in this draft class that is like a sure thing in everybody's eyes, you think? Well, ever since I think when I was with the team, I was with the Ravens, and I said Aaron Curry was the surest thing of all surest things. And he was a total bust. I was with the Ravens, and I said Aaron Curry was the surest thing of all surest things, and he was a total bust. I've stopped using that phrase.

But this dude's pretty safe, man. Like, he is rock solid. Anytime you have the athleticism plus the production, the makeup's off the charts, everything. Like, I don't know what he doesn't have other than you can say, well, I wish his arms were a little bit longer. But it hasn't been an issue for him. So I think of other guys, like I think Sauce Gardner,

the corner from Cincinnati, is a really clean player because he's got everything with the size, the athleticism, the fluidity. The swagger. The confidence. Oh, I love it. I love it, man. So I'm a big fan of his game.

And I think outside of those two guys, you could really kind of poke holes in just about anybody. Dan, if you had to predict anything that happens in the first maybe top five to ten picks, like anyone trading out, could you see anybody trying to jump inside the top ten, like any kind of chaos that you think may happen? What are you hearing, Dan? Everybody I talk to wants to go in reverse. I haven't found anybody that's in a hurry to go forward.

It could get interesting, Mark Murphy. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Usually when you have trade-ups, you're talking about quarterbacks. It just comes down to where everybody feels on these dudes. If you get somebody that loves a quarterback, the Carolina Panthers are picking at six.

I know some people have mentioned Detroit with a quarterback early. I don't know that I'm buying that necessarily. If you want one and you think that Carolina might take one at six, then you've got to get to five. And everybody that I talked to said the Giants would love to get out of the fifth pick. So that would be kind of an opportunity spot right there. I don't know if there's a quarterback really kind of worth it up there in this draft,

but I was looking at some numbers. We were talking about it earlier today with Bucky. And looking at the – when you see these contracts, like you look at what Derek Carr just got, and you look at what these wideouts have got, like put that in context. If you look at the fifth pick last year, that pick was a four-year contract for $30 million. So that's a 7.7 average.

So if you like one of these quarterbacks, dude, $7 million for a starting quarterback for the next four years plus a fifth-year option, it's pretty darn enticing. Hey, wide receiver as well. Absolutely. Yeah, because wide receiver, if you think there's a top-of-the-line wide receiver, which I guess a lot of people are hearing that two out of Ohio State are potentially going top 10 or whatever,

two out of this class go in top 10 from numerous different sources. If you're getting a top high-end wide receiver, they're about to start getting paid $20-plus million, all of them. Dude, it's like right below quarterbacks, and then you have some edge rushers. But Hopkins averages like $27 million a year. Then you look at what Tyreek just got. You look at what Devontae Adams just got. Look at the Packers. The Packers are picking 22 and 28. Those numbers last year,

the AAV was 3.3 million a year. So, I mean, I'm not saying I need like Traylon Burks from Arkansas to be Devontae Adams, but goodness gracious, it's Traylon Burks plus 24 million bucks that you can go, you know, spend elsewhere on your roster. That's what some of these teams are looking at. You're talking as a front office member, which is what you are, but that's a real thing. That happened, and I want to ask you about this because you might have heard this as well, and I asked Peter Schrager about it, but he didn't follow on.

It's not about the draft. The boys will ask you more draft questions. But did you hear anything? Because my respect for Chris Ballard's about to go through the roof maybe if this is true did you hear that there was zero competition for carson wentz and chris ballard was able to unload the entire contract and also get a couple picks out of that thing he has to view that as a massive success but other executives were allegedly talked to around the nfl and who knows what the fuck that means honestly none of us none of us

know what that means. But they said they'd rather have like a Taylor Heineke at $3 million plus another $22 million. Like those conversations, I think, don't get pinpointed enough that the money is such an important factor in a lot of these decisions for some of these teams. And then for other teams, the money means absolutely nothing. It's a fucking interesting time right now.

Yeah, I mean, look, at the quarterback position, if you've got one of those dudes, if you've got Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert, those guys, you just pay them whatever they want. Aaron's obviously in that. Josh Allen. You just pay him. Josh Allen, you pay him. The challenge is going to be when you get in that middle-tier group of guys.

To me, look at a team like Tennessee going forward. Ryan Tannehill's a good quarterback, but he's probably in the 10 to 20 range however you want to slot him in there and you look at he's 34 years old I think his cap number this year is like 36 million and then you look at going forward next year I think they can get out it's like 18 million and so you go okay is he is he better than Kenny Pickett okay I think he's better but maybe this much better and the conversation isn't Ryan Tannehill versus Kenny Pickett. It's Ryan Tannehill versus Kenny Pickett, plus the four other guys on your roster you're going to be able to add

with all the savings that you have. So those are the teams, I think, that kind of have a little bit of a tricky decision to make here with the finances. Dude Perfect told us Ryan Tannehill, most accurate quarterback they've ever done trick shot with. Wow. Excuse me?

Yeah, so you tell me if Kenny Pickett's a little – yeah, that's what I was told. Dude Perfect. I couldn't believe it. They got 14 million views. All right, they don't lie. You know what's interesting is I think for a long time, people looked at Bill Walsh as kind of like the godfather of quarterbacks,

and I think now it's tied from Dude Perfect. I got to start tapping into your resources, tapping into your contacts, and see if I can help my draft evaluation process right here. Yeah, I think I can help you. I hung out with him there. It was such a short amount of time because he made it on the first try, so I didn't get to hang around them as long as I had liked.

But when we were walking into the stadium, walking out of the stadium, we got to chit-chat a little bit. Good guys. I can hook you up maybe. I don't know if we're that close or not. But go ahead, Ty. I think the tall guy's got a good arm too, by the way. The tall guy from Dude Perfect has got a nice arm.

No, I think football Tyler. Tyler. Football Tyler. Football Tyler. Tyler's a better thrower. Okay, the beard. He's the rage monster. He's got more of a live arm, you're telling me?

Well, I don't know. I didn't see the tall one throw. And by the way, the tall one was at a different – A rage monster? Yeah, what's rage monster? Like he loses temper? I think he does the video where he always is doing the rage monster i've got i've got teenage what is that what is the rage monster so he did like they do these stereotype videos and and then there's always the one character that he plays he gets really mad and just destroys a

bunch of stuff so they they call that the rage monster you didn't know we were going to break down dude perfect uh well I'm happy about it. I'm learning about these guys as we go here because I got a chance to just hang around them for, I think it was like 30 seconds maybe. 30 seconds quick. Here we go, boys. He breaks it in there. Boom.

We're off and chatting. He was a high school quarterback down there in Texas. Really? Obviously. Hey, you can see that. That ball was beautiful. State champ. That's good scouting.

That thing turned over. Yeah, he'll let you know. The rage monster will let you know who's a good quarterback. Ryan Tannehill, top of the charts from what I've been told. Go ahead, Ty. DJ, you mentioned the Packers, and Mark Murphy obviously said that things could get interesting. Do you think with the way the receivers are this year,

is there a chance that they're just going to kind of wait to whoever falls to them at 22, or do you think they might move up if we see a run of wide receivers and they don't want to be on the outside looking in? Yeah, I mean, look, everybody's talking about the fact they've don't they've never taken them in one you gotta go back 20 years to javon walker since they've done it so i i'm not buying it i think this is that you've got to adapt and change i think we've seen what the money looks like they know more than better than anybody what that money looks like i i definitely see them picking taking one with one of these two picks. I don't see them trading up.

I would imagine they can sit there because I think there's potentially like seven dudes with first-round type players at that position. Unless there's just an insane run. If there's an insane run, maybe they get a little nervous. But I think they'll be able to stick and pick and maybe get a guy like John Dotson from Penn State, somebody like that. It's going to be interesting. Go ahead. Yeah, Daniel, have you heard about any guys either dropping or kind of rising in the draft? Because it feels like there's a big Jordan Davis buzz, and then we kind of haven't heard anything about him since.

I think that one's interesting just because there's always kind of those big debates. There's some players when you're in the draft room, you go over them, and it's a quick discussion. How is he not one overall? He's a freak. He's a unicorn. That's what we're looking for. I talked to a GM about this the other day who was not as high on him, and his thing was, look, he doesn't even stay on the field at third downs. So I'm drafting somebody that's a first or second down player,

and my whole thing was, well, if you look at Georgia, the only person more athletic than him at the whole combine for defensive line was Wyatt, who is on that front with him. He stays on the field. We look at Walker, who's got a chance to be the first overall pick. He can kick inside, so that takes up one spot. They've got a dude next year in Jalen Carter that's better than all of them who's going to be a top five pick next year.

It wasn't like Johnny Scrubb you know was was on the field rushing the quarterback and we got him off the field like it they have they have an embarrassment of riches just because they didn't ask him to do it doesn't mean he can't do it and and so I looked at you know Pat would you ever you might have been you might be too young Pat you didn't play against Hainsworth did you Albert no he was at Washington whenever I was I think he was at washington he'd already got his big payday yeah young young albert hainsworth age i don't know if you if you played against him the uh i mean he was there's a reason why washington paid him all that money he was like a dominant big man early in his career with the tennessee titans who they used to actually kick him out some and put van and bosh inside

and they let him just obliterate tackles out there. I think Jordan Davis can do a lot of those things. I think he's got tremendous upside as a rusher, but that's the debate. That's the debate in the room. If you're 6'6", 341 with a 12-foot broad jump and a 4'8", 40, if I'm Trent Bulkey, they're like, this guy loves upside. This guy loves freak athletes. As soon as I saw that guy do his combine, I'm like,

I have no fucking idea who this guy is. But this guy is the guy I would like on my team. And then you think about that Georgia defense. Jermaine Johnson was also there, right? Didn't he transfer? Yeah, he transferred. Yeah, he transferred out of there and he ends up in Florida. Like, they could have – you know how they do that quarterback room

when Joe Burrow was at Ohio State and everything like that? I wonder if that D-line room down there in Georgia won like spring when everybody was there, just absolutely stacked. Good for Kirby Smart making that happen. Yeah, Kirby. Go ahead, Zone. Mr. Sticks, kind of a two-part question here. Pat keeps asking me and the caller's asking, and I'm wondering myself,

after Mike Tomlin's pro day tour and all the visits and stuff like that. It seems like quarter and quarterback. And then we had a huge move this morning on Fandle. Desmond Ritter jumped up quite a bit to be the first quarterback overall taken. Is there rumors going around that Ritter's stock is on the rise? Yeah, he's crushed the post draft stuff. So, you know, you go to the senior bowl you know you go to the senior bowl then you've got the combine then you've got pro days then you got visits and everybody that i've talked to starting with the senior bowl that everybody was around him say this dude is incredibly smart he's incredibly mature um coaches fall in love with him because he's got a great memory to be able to

show you recall which over the years that's kind of been a really important thing. When you get guys that have excellent recall, it's a good sign. He's got that going for him. Then you go out there and you rip off a low 4-5 time or whatever he ran in the 40. He was flying. You've got somebody that's got a little bit of size. He's got some athleticism. He's incredibly smart, mature, tough. When I watched the tape, I did not see somebody I thought was a first-round player. But I think you're starting to see teams falling in love with

the dude and saying, okay, he's going to put in the work. He's got the talent. We can kind of put all that together, be a little bit patient, and it'll pay off for us. But he's crushed the post-season stuff more than any other quarterback. He led Cincinnati to the college football playoffs.

I mean, that is – he's a dog. He's a dog, right? This guy is an absolute dog. Not that Fickle isn't and the rest of the team's sauce and everybody isn't, but you're the quarterback of Cincinnati and make it to the college football playoff like historic thing. I assume he got a little bit of shit to you, which was probably coming through in a lot of these conversations

throughout the combine. No doubt. He's been impressive, dude. He's been impressive. The only thing I'd add to that, Pat, like, dude, there's a crap ton of Cincinnati dudes in this draft, man. That was not... I always used to laugh, like, when Boise would have those good teams, and the media would frame it as

the little engine that could, and they beat the big bad. I'm like, dude, they've got seven draftable players on their team. This is not like a bunch of Johnny Tryhards out there. These are real NFL dudes, and Cincinnati has a bunch. They have an indoor facility, and what we're learning is the Bengals are also building one.

Did you hear that? That's big news, man. It is. It's a little cold out there in Cincinnati. Isn't it? I mean, that's insane they haven't had an indoor practice facility this entire time, make it to the Super Bowl. You know, the last 16 quarterbacks that made their debut in the Super Bowl and lost cbs had this stat yesterday never made it back again joey burrow is just different though it feels like doesn't it doesn't feel like joe

burrow's just i'm not betting against that dude how do you find out about if a person has that or not in the draft process because i feel like you said recall is a big deal concur completely agree gotta have a big brain to be a quarterback in the NFL. But also, how do you know the person's fucking Joey Burrow? How do you know, like, I feel like Josh Allen has this in him. I feel like, you know, Patrick Mahomes, obviously. All the guys that have it. There's that it factor.

How do you find that out? Baker Mayfield, too, though, Daniel. Like, that's another thing, Daniel. I feel like Baker Mayfield kind of has that it factor as well. And it's jury's still out, I guess, how his career goes. I mean, I guess. Yeah, no, I think, you know what I would say? That's a great call, AJ.

I would say I don't know many great quarterbacks that don't have that. So I think it's kind of like that gets you into the conversation. That's kind of like a prerequisite. You've got to have that. Then once you pass that test, then you can go on to some of the other traits and skills and abilities that you like to possess. But, yeah, Baker completely has that. But, you know, a lot of it's just talking to guys around him.

You know, the thing about Burrow is you just heard about how crazy competitive he was. You even saw some of the videos at Ohio State with him and, like, some of the tug-of-war stuff. Like, he's just a maniac. You find out how he competed in other sports. Everything I heard about him came back that way. And it's not just quarterbacks. I remember when Nick Chubb was coming out, they had Nick Chubb and Sonny Michelle out of Georgia that year. And the coaches just raved about Nick Chubb, about this guy's a psycho competitor.

You just buy that. So then that one, I was, okay, I'm a little low on Nick Chubb in hindsight. Then we have Javante Williams last year from North Carolina. And I'm hearing all this stuff about him, and I'm like, oh my God, this is Nick Chubb 2.0 Then we have Javante Williams last year from North Carolina and I'm like hearing all this stuff about him and I'm like, oh my god, this is Nick Chubb 2.0. They're like the same guy. So then you buy in on that and then sure enough, he ends up being a stud.

So there's sometimes, you start hearing the same things about these great players in the past. You start hearing about some of these guys and it gives you a little more courage to jump on. Go ahead, AJ. The Jags number one pick. Is there And it gives you a little more courage to jump on. Go ahead, AJ. Dan, okay. The Jags' number one pick.

Is there any situation in this world where you can see them getting out of that number one pick and someone coming and taking it from them? I don't think so. I mean, the only thing I could potentially see happening there would be if Detroit, for obvious reasons, if you think about just geography, like Aiden Hutchinson would just be a home run for them. Yeah. Born in Michigan.

Went to Michigan. Yeah. If Jacksonville wanted it, like if I was, if I was Trent Bauchy and you said, okay, we're going to take Walker. Now it would have to be kind of a gentleman's agreement, but it might be a situation where you said, hey, with Detroit, you're taking Aiden Hutchinson. You guys want Aiden Hutchinson?

Okay, we'll flop. You can get him, but I want a little sugar. Just give me a little something there. Attack some a little bit. A little bit, a little bit. I remember when I was in Baltimore, we were going to take Kalodi Nada. Well, Cleveland was one pick ahead of us. And they knew, because they had all come from our place, from Baltimore,

they knew we would love Haloti Nada. So they were on the phone and telling Ozzy, like, hey, we think we're going to take Haloti Nada. And we were like, nah, I know they wanted an edge rusher. Not me, but our whole group knew that they were probably going to take Cameron Wembley. We were probably 95% sure that's who they would take. But they wanted to just flop back one

spot and make us pay a little bit of a tax to guarantee that we got Nada. And that's why Ozzie Newsom is so dang good because Ozzie was like it ended up being negotiated down to a sixth round pick. Even though we're 95% sure that we're still

going to get Haloti, but we love him enough where just to guarantee we get him here, we'll flip you a six-round pick, and we guarantee that we got Haloti Nata. Sometimes those types of trades happen. Do you study deeper in the draft? Because I feel like the only thing we know about is the top ten. For instance, our draft's spectacular every single year. Yeah. Boy, after the fifth pick, we don't know a fuck.

Oh, yeah. No clue. it is a good time watch i think us trying to figure out who this player is and then somebody will have a little bit of information then we're piecing it together and do that how deep into this thing do you go and how deep do you study and who's somebody that maybe we should uh think about being a surprise late so i'll see if i can kind of show you some of this here if you can see it on the computer. This is just an Excel sheet, right?

I've got 400 players in here. So it's just my notes. So I just keep my notes in there on these guys. So during the draft, Pat, I've got my computer up and I've got 400 dudes in here. If you just give me a random player. Jordan Stout.

Give me the punter? Yeah, from Penn State. He's pretty good. I haven't put the punters in yet. Smoke Monday. I haven't got my touch-to-toe times yet, Pat. Alright, that's a big deal. Matt Ariza, Jordan Stout, a couple good guys.

Think about it. Matt Ariza's brother is my, a couple good guys. I mean, think about four of us. Matt Ariza's brother is my mortgage lender, by the way, random. Wow. Ariza family fucking doing it. For the brand, gives me a good rate. Let me see here.

If you just grab Dane Belton, right? He's a safety from Iowa, probably going to go in the fifth round, fourth, fifth round. He's a hybrid outside linebacker, strong safety. The kids see he's willing to play anywhere. He had five picks. He shoots gaps underneath.

He's got good instincts. He's got outstanding hands. He's also got some production on punt coverage. He's going to be a really good special teamer. So you've got that 400 dude. So just to tell you just a little bit about them when they get picked. Well, you crush it on TV. We're very lucky

and thankful that you stopped by today. Appreciate you, man. Good luck the rest of the way here these last two weeks. I appreciate you guys. Have a good one. Hey, make sure no bullshit. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, because when you put a tweet out, we pay attention. We have to because there's nothing else going on.

Do you remember last year, bro? We were on the – we were doing – we got to do this again right before the draft because last year we were talking. I think you had just got with Glazer or maybe you had it with the Trey Lance, the Trey Lance Niner thing was going down. Yeah. Hey. And you were on it.

Hey, I'm an insider every once in a while. I dabble in there. I do that. That rattled the entire day, though. That shook off. Yeah. Hey. And you were on it. Hey, I'm an insider every once in a while. I dabble in there. I do that. That rattled the entire day, though. That shook my heart. Oh, yeah. Then Aaron Rodgers' shit came at like 4 o'clock. Yeah.

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Hey, isn't it crazy? McDaniel was the first guy to really admit it publicly. He was like, I am a zero-win head coach. This is a lot of fun. This is a lot of fun. This whole, hey, this guy's going to be amazing. This guy's going to be amazing. The tide will turn on you if you stink like that i mean just like that it'll happen it is unbelievable this professional sports world we live in it doesn't matter i feel like what your

personality is how much people may like you or hate you as a person if you win cool you can do whatever you want if you lose you're gonna you can do whatever you want. If you lose, you're going to get annihilated. That's society, isn't it? That's business, baby. Hey, be yourself. Be authentic. Do it your way. Don't try to do it the way you think you should do it, I think, then.

Because, hey, either way, you're getting fired probably. Either way, you're either retiring or getting fired here. You're either walking out of here and never coaching again, or you're getting fired because they stink. And you're going to have to move to another city again with your family, just like you've done your entire life. Ain't that right, Mitt? You said yeah. Mitt, how many different schools did you go to

growing up? I moved nine times. I think I went to like 12 different schools. Nobody thinks about that. That's Coach's family right there. That's Coach's family right there. You've done good, Bubba. How did you do? Were you worried making new friends at a new place because you knew you were probably leaving? That's Coach's family right there. That's Coach's family right there. That's a lot of buddies. Hey, man, you've done good, bub. Bad boy, man. Were you worried, like, making new friends at a new place

because you knew you were probably leaving eventually? After, like, the first two or three times, no. You kind of just push that to the side and kind of move towards – I mean, you do it enough that, like, I moved three times in three years. So, like, you do it enough that you just kind of get used to it. Yeah, and you just – you come into the new school, and obviously you're incredibly cool and handsome. Yeah.

And you just say, hey, I'm probably not going to be here in a year, so let's have a hell of a run here, boys. Is that what you say, yeah? Yeah, and I mean, being the new kid, everybody likes you. Everybody likes the new kid, so it's fun. See, that's not what I heard.

I don't know about that. I've never been a new kid. I went to the same school. All the girls are like, you see a hot new kid? Oh, you're talking about, what's his name? Emmett?

Emmett? No, he goes by Mitt, bro. Yeah. He's the man. He smokes so much weed. Bro, he's only 12. Yeah. That's just how he is.

Seeking football. Wait until he's so cool when he gets a playoff allowance. Jeez. What's that all about? This guy's an asshole. I know. Mitt talks about getting his playoff allowance a lot. Well, that was a real thing.

That was almost a conversation that happened this past offseason whenever a team's coaches didn't think they were getting a playoff bonus, which the whole family that has moved like 15 times and got to that spot, it's like, hey, that playoff bonus was just like accounted for already. Like, hey, this is – we need this thing. But, Mitt, we appreciate you, brother. We really do. Let's talk about a guy who didn't feel appreciated, all right?

Allegedly. I don't know. I haven't listened to the clip yet in its entirety. But it does sound like Baker Mayfield is done with his time in the Cleveland Browns, whether the Cleveland Browns like it or not. He was on the You Never Know podcast, YNK, with Mike Studd. I can't make the sound he makes, but he's an incredible musician who is friends with a lot of

these guys has a great podcast over there baker mayfield stopped by the couch with either his dog or mike stud's dog not given a single fucking sleep in the entire time and he had this to say about his time in cleveland right now is like i really truly honestly have no regrets of my time in cleveland of what i tried to give to that place right and true Clevelanders and true Browns fans know know that and that's why I can walk away from the whole situation feeling like I I did it and now do you feel like do you feel like the way the office has handled it has been disrespectful to you given what's given where you came in and where they are now and I mean yeah the respect thing is like it's all it's all going to be like a personal opinion yeah and i don't i know i feel disrespected 100 because i was told one thing

and they completed another that's what i'm in the middle of right now and you know what okay i got i got my taste of it because i've had four different head coaches in four years a bunch of different coordinators i've had talk about the highs? They always come back. They always come back. But like, I mean, I had great times my rookie year. Like I didn't start in the beginning. I came in and got to have fun the back half of the year. 2019 sucked, 2020 was great, made the playoffs.

2021 was miserable. It's like, I'm just looking for stabilization right now. And like, I know what I need to do for me to be the best version of me and to be able to lead an organization. And like, I'm in a good place right now. Right. We're like, I have no clue where I'm going. All right.

Well, we just obviously credit Mike Studs. Zito dropped in the middle of that video and I did not expect you laughing about. Well, that's I was like, hey, we need to give credit to these people. You never know podcasts like we need to give credit to these people. You never know podcasts. Like, we need to give them credit. Zito just got it from Twitter or from YouTube or whatever. So he tried to drop a credit in the middle of that, and I think Zito just panicked and he didn't know exactly who.

So we apologize. We appreciate them doing that. With Baker's conversation, I mean, everything he's saying there is valid, right? But a lot of people would say you're the quarterback of the team, so the ups and downs is more so on your shoulders than anybody else's. But four different head coaches, a bunch of people would say you're the quarterback of the team so the ups and downs is you know more so on your shoulders than anybody else's but four different head coaches bunch of different coordinators i can understand how he feels the way he feels and why he feels the way he feels but this is a business you know like that this is what this is there's a chance you're going to get fucked over and that's just uh you know a part of it i guess you just he's

got to buy into it it happens at every other position on a very regular basis where they bring in somebody or they say, hey, you're going to be with us next year. Then you bring somebody in that's younger, cheaper, better, or whatever, and you're just kind of a side thought. This happens in the NFL a lot, in the entire roster. I feel like it is just a very normal thing. But for Baker, with everything that happened last year with the injury,

him playing through it, broken humerus, torn labrum, had an entire brace on that he wasn't able to throw. Then they say, hey, you're in our plans. We're going to have you play another year next year. Then, boom, they dropped the biggest, most guaranteed money contract on somebody that didn't even get to play last year because of a lot of shit happening off the field. Baker Mayfield was just, I fucking hate this place.

And he didn't say that in so many words. You could see how he feels that way. But once again, you hear a lot of people say this is the fucking nfl dude like that's just the kind of how it goes every once in a while especially if you're not winning super bowls or playoff games every single year it's cold business man it's it truly is it's a business they're not uh unfortunately your feelings don't matter and that's why it's a big bonus that you get paid a ton of money everybody who plays in the league gets paid a bunch of money, quarterbacks more than anybody else. But, yeah, I guess the hard thing is any professional athlete,

you're not going to get sympathy from people. Anybody. No matter what happens with your professional life, even horrendous, terrible things. You have an injury your first year that your career is over. Yeah, you feel awful. That person's dream is gone but people obviously that have real issues in life trying to fight to survive or fight to put food on

the table yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna gain much sympathy that's that's the hard thing no matter when you're in baker's situation and once again i don't think baker's asking for sympathy by the way he was just answering a question on how he felt i give him credit for being honest because he's true i think a lot of people would feel the way he does. I'm not saying you need to, everyone would come out and say that, but I would give him credit for telling us, yeah, I feel super disrespected. Yeah, and I honestly, once again, I don't think he was doing it as a cry for, like, attention or anything like that.

I think he was just talking and addressing it. They were running that video on SportsCenter. I've seen it whenever we went out to the break. This is going to be a big conversation piece in our world for now because we had been wondering since the Baker Mayfield's team has requested a trade from the Cleveland Browns. And then this is before they signed Deshaun Watson. While they're still

negotiating probably with Deshaun Watson, the Cleveland Browns have anonymously said, we don't give a fuck if Baker Mayfield wants to be traded. And then Baker's team responds with, we feel like the relationship is too far gone. We'll never be able to get it. We will still be asking for a trade.

And the Browns said, we don't give a fuck. Also, Deshaun Watson, we just signed for 230 million. That was literally within like a 24-hour period. All of that just happened. And now they're like, well, we might need Baker to play actually because we don't know if Deshaun's going to be able to play. It's like, wow, this is very public, very interesting.

There's a lot of emotions and there's a lot of money in future, you know, livelihoods on the line here. Appreciate Baker going in there and talking there for sure. And I can kind of understand where he's coming from, but also the fucking NFL is a business and it needs to be looked at as such. These guys didn't draft him either. Sorry.

These guys did not draft him either. He was drafted by another front office. I was told by somebody, Hey. These guys didn't draft him either. Sorry, these guys did not draft him either. He was drafted by another front office. I was told by somebody, hey, remember, they didn't draft you. There is zero allegiances to you is what I was told. I was like, oh, great. This is a good relationship. Seems like this is going to go well. Yeah, you don't really – your success doesn't go on their resume really.

Yeah, like actually we'd rather get a new guy who broke all your records because then we actually – We got him. We replaced that guy. But, yeah, I mean, I guess we'll franchise tag you for another year. All right, thanks. This relationship is going to go great, I can tell. Go ahead, Diggs.

Baker has also asked where he thought he was going to play next, and then he said this would have been a week, week and a half ago, it would have said Indianapolis. But then he said Seattle was probably the most likely option now, even though he has no idea. Okay, so that's like if he was to play somewhere where he would like to play. Yeah, give me DK McAfee. Yeah, get Ty Lockett.

Didn't he say something about going to some cubicles of writers? Yeah, he said he wanted to boo the shit out of them. Boo them as in scare them? No, no, not like it goes. Tell them they stink at their job like everybody does to him, like handling that basically as a, I think, in life. Not like a boo. it's the baker goes yeah yeah it's not like a ghoul i don't think i thought he meant i thought he said he'd want to show up and physically assault them that's what i thought he was

talking about oh no i think he was talking about how people are just okay to say whatever they want to athletes whenever they want however they want even though the athlete is much better than them probably in the sport that they're talking about and life and business and everything. But you could tell them that they're the worst human on the earth because they threw an interception with a brace on. And that's sport. Hey, that's by the way, that's also the NFL. Yeah, that's right. So I appreciate Baker being very honest about all these things. His thoughts are a lot of people's thoughts. But once again, to your point, like nobody's going to give a fuck. It's an uphill battle. It's definitely an uphill battle for you and he's not asked i would like to we do not believe that he's

going on this podcast to ask for like hey feel bad for some time i think he's just finally getting his side of everything out there i think you guys came up with a great idea progressive or whoever it is now that he's not on the brown won't be on the browns anymore his goal should be in this in the stadium in the house oh the ghost of Baker Mayfield. Yeah. And Deshaun should be in that house now, and Baker's haunting him. Insurance against ghosts. Now we're talking.

Yeah. Don't check any of the closets, though. Hey, who's that cop that form-tackled him, too? What's that, buddy? I said get that cop that form-tackled him back in theled him too? Get back to the show. What's that, buddy? I said get that cop that form tackled him back in the day too. Bring him in the commercial. That really – I see it in my head as soon as you mention it, by the way. I'm just happy he's alive, man.

His head could have smoked that big old curb and been dead. Now, hindsight, if it were Baker, he could have went up and out. He would have got, right? I mean, that dude was on him. That dude closed very quickly. Yeah, but it was like me tackling Trinidad Holiday. That guy only had one line that he would have got, right? I mean, that dude was on him. That dude closed very quickly. Yeah, but it was like me tackling Trinidad Holiday. That guy only had one line that he could have got. If Baker stutter steps there, I think, you know, any –

You think he could stutter step in that situation on a dime? We're talking about a guy trying to run from the cops while hammered drunk. I've never attempted to do it. What's that? Zito just said, do you want the video? No, no, we all know it. Baker doesn't deserve it. He's that? Zito just said, do you want the video? No, no, we all know it. We make it and deserve it. He's going through some shit right now.

Hopefully he ends up in a home and plays great football. I want him to make a billion dollars. I want everybody to do that. He'll be somewhere. He'll be in the league. He's probably going to be on the Browns. Yeah. Maybe.

They're in a weird spot. What if Deshaun is suspended next season and not this season at all? And the next season is like 20-some million or 40-some million, whatever it is. Jacoby. The NFL is like, cool, yeah, you guys did that for flexibility. Cool, well, we're going to – oh, this year his fines equal $19 million. None of the civil cases will take place during the 2022 season.

Is the new information out? His attorney, Busby or Harden? Harden is Deshaun. Harden. Harden is Deshaun's. Harden. His attorney Harden said that all those cases will begin in March of 2023 or whatever. I don't know how they control that. Deflate Gates situation.

Yeah, it'll be suspended. So does that mean that nothing happens to Deshaun most likely from Goodell this year? That's what I believe is what was being stated, yeah. I'm sure it won't be loud. No. Just drag this thing out for as long as we can. As long as possible.

Other stadiums will show, Deshaun, the utmost respect, I'm sure. Absolutely. Especially in the AFC North. Oh, yeah. You bet. Oh, they're very nice fans. The Ravens fans, Steelers fans. When they come to New England, New England will be very cordial.

Oh, yeah. They're going to struggle to put them on primetime, I bet. There are a lot of football cities in the AFC. And if they're good, too. I guess it's predetermined, though. A lot of good football cities in the AFC. And they're playing the AFC East. So, add Buffalo, MetLife, New England, Miami.

That's forever, though. Yeah, exactly. A lot of passionate fan bases there. Hey, I love those football times. You know? I love them. I like when they, yeah, they just, like Pittsburgh's a funny one. Pittsburgh's great.

How passionate Pittsburgh people are, not only about being from Pittsburgh, but loving the Steelers and every team there, too. Not every team. The Pirates fucking stink, okay? The Pirates need to be sold. Great state. Love the stadium, though. Oh, beautiful park.

Stadium's the best park in the fucking league. You know what I mean? Best in the bigs. Best ever. Best by far. You hear that? Pittsburgh loves that. Hates the team.

Hates the team. Not the players. Hey, players, nothing wrong with the players. You guys stink. That's not your fault. You can't fucking pinch. You can't fucking hit. You can't make it to the fucking playoffs. Not your fault, okay? You guys are outmatched, outwitted. You can't fucking pitch. You can't fucking hit. You can't make it to the fucking playoffs.

Not your fault. Okay? You guys are outmatched, outwitted. You're outscaled. You're outpaid. Everything like that because nutting the owner is terrible. But aside from that, and listen, opening day the other day, yesterday, the place was packed up.

It was gorgeous. People were playing flip cup in the gold lot. I mean, I've seen 35-year-olds, 40-year-olds playing Flip Cup. Like, we're back in fucking high school on IG Stories. 34,000 there yesterday. Boom. They'll continue that the rest of the year, right? Absolutely.

Unless Zambeli Fireworks night or not? Is it Jason Kendall bobblehead night or not? Are they both going on at the same time? Get 34,000 back in there. 9,000 there today. They are dominating the Cubs. Are you serious, Nick? Oh, yeah.

Well, everyone had to go back to work that day. That's what I'm for. It's a 1 o'clock game. C,000 there today. They are dominating the Cubs. Are you serious, Nick? Oh, yeah. Well, everyone had to go back to work today. It's a one o'clock game. Cubs stink, dude. No, no, no, no. Just an off day. Who is good? Red Sox.

Red Sox are nasty. No, they're not. They suck. No. They're absolutely dominating right now. Absolutely dominating. The Dodgers are jumping.

They haven't fucking played in by Yankees. Yeah, they lost two out of three to the Yankees. Yeah, but now two out of three to the Yankees. Yeah, but now the Yankees are falling off. How many games are we in? We're like third game. You lost two out of three.

You guys are one and two. No, fifth game tonight. Yeah, we're about to be three and three. Already? No, excuse me. Yeah, they play every day. Six games, yeah. We have 17 straight days of games.

Hey, these games are just flying by, aren't they? Six games already. The Reds are going to win it all, so we don't even need to talk about it. No, the Reds actually. They're president. I'm so happy you brought that up because you are a Reds fan going to win it all, so we don't even need to talk about it. No, the Reds actually. They're president. I'm so happy you brought that up because you are a Reds fan. Hey, for real, what happened? I got to see what happened.

I saw something. This guy got a fucking promo. The president of the team, Mr. Bob something. Bob Salini or whatever, wearing an all red suit, okay, wearing an all red blazer, just cuts a promo. What the fuck are you guys going to do, huh? You're going to not support the team anymore? We're trying.'re trying we're spending money we're gonna sell it to somebody who's

terrible is that what you want us to do you have no other option you stop supporting the reds or not okay shut the fuck up is basically what the president of the reds said and i'm like damn this dude just got a heel promo and all the reds fans are like hey you're fucking right we're going to goddamn games because there was once a time when we were really good we're going to continue to do that nothing doesn't even do that. So I guess I have a little bit of respect for Mr. Bop-a-ba-lini. Yep. Bop-a-ba-lini, I believe.

Bop-a-ba-lini. Bop-a-ba-lini. Doing that. But he pissed and shit on all Reds fans in a matter of a second. Let's run this clip. We have it, actually. That's the bottom line. Sloany asked you about the quote, show a little faith in us, right?

Yeah. And I saw you got raked to the cold so you have people who say look faith is earned 15 years of ownership they haven't won to the extent that we would like and so you had my faith but you've lost it why should that fan maintain trust in you well where are you going to go

where are you going to go let's start there I mean sell the team to who I mean that's the other thing I mean you want to have this debate you know if you want to look at what would mean, sell the team to who? I mean, that's the other thing. I mean, you want to have this debate? You know, if you want to look at what would you do with this team to have it be more profitable, make more money, compete more in the current economic system that this game exists, it would be to pick it up and move it somewhere else. And so be careful what you ask for.

You know, I think we're doing the best we can do with the resources that we have. We're no more pleased with the results than the fans. I'm not sitting here saying anybody should be happy. I'm not polishing any trophies in the office right now, and that's what we're here to do. But, you know, the bottom line is, and I do think we've had to shift the discipline. We've tried a lot of things that didn't work, and they came this close to working and didn't.

Nobody's got to tell me it didn't work. You know what I mean? Yeah, I get it. So I think we've learned from those things. And trust me, Nick is a guy on a mission. And he is a bull in a china shop that has his way to do it, and that way is to grow your own, and he's doing just that. What's this guy's name, just so we get it right?

It's like Bob Babalini. Phil Castellini, it said, right? Yes. Phil Castellini, thank you. So his name was not Bob, which we thought we had wrong. So is he complaining about the owner? Is he saying the owner doesn't let me spend enough money? No, I think he's complaining about the fans complaining. we get it okay we hear you we're sorry but the

only way to really make a profitable business and do well in the world that we're in like buy all the players would be to get the fuck out of cincinnati and go to a bigger city is basically is that what you want us to do basically what he was saying and i guess you can get the gist of it but the delivery was just awesome opening day like there like, there's a parade in Cincinnati. Like, it is a huge ordeal. And this president is out there answering questions about, yeah, fuck you. All right? You cheer for us whether you like it or not. We'll get this thing figured out.

I love it. I love, absolutely love it. What a time. I mean, I guess that's just his rally cry to kind of get the troops on board, right, to start the season. I think that's just the type of guy he is. Setting an expectation, too. Like, hey, we're going to stink. You guys know we're going to stink, but what are you going to do?

You're still going to fucking watch the Reds. Hey, when you and the family want to go do something on a fucking Saturday and it's nice weather and there's only one place you can really go and all eight of you can get in and have a good time, you're going to come to a fucking Reds game. You know why? Because your father did it. Your father's father did it.

And you're going to come whether you like it or not. You want to still have a team here or not. Okay, that's what I thought. Fucking get over it. We're not selling the team. We wish we were polishing trophies, he said. Yeah, that's what he said to do. Isn't his fodder the owner?

Yes, I knew I had seen it somewhere. The signs on the side of the road were sell the team, Bob. Bob Castellini is the owner. Okay, so this guy's fodder is the problem. So the Castellini family is running a rough shop over Cincinnati.

Where are they from? Are they from Cincy? No way, right? Cincy's got a good deal with Donnans. Yeah, but I'm just saying like... So they're all from Cincy. Yeah, but the way he just spoke to Cincinnatians was awesome. That sounded like a very heel promo of an outsider who had money

who brought it in and was like, your city fucking stinks. He did apologize later. Oh, did he, Phil Castellini? Did Bob Castellini tell him to do so? Yeah. Did Bob Senior? Hey, Bob called him into the fucking carpet. Hey, Phil, what the fuck are you saying?

Our inside conversation is outside floor, okay? We don't need that floor fucking, Phil. Take the red blazer off, dude. You look like a jackass. What a moment. What a moment. Nutting doesn't talk at all, or the nutting sperm. They don't talk at all.

So we have no idea why they're fucking over the city of Pittsburgh the way they do. But we learned a lot about Cincy. I know. He trotted out yesterday to talk about the big deal they signed. So that was about it. Here we go. Nobody asked him about 17. What was the big deal?

Brian Hayes got eight years, 80 million. Highest paid pirate in history. All right. 10 years. Bob's out there clutching his coin purse and shaking every time it was mentioned. Did he really say that?

Well, I'm paying him that? Who's paying him that? Did I agree to the deal? Not me. No. No, you guys, the MLB's paying. I mean, that's nothing compared to the giant deal. Yeah.

What's that? Nothing at all. Yeah. Nothing compared to the deal some of these guys sign. Well, and I love Joe Maganella, Manginella. I love him. He should have been doing the fucking opening. Nobody should do anything for this guy, this nutting guy.

He is. Oh, he threw the first pitch? Yeah. I bet you he was gassed, too. I think he threw the first pitch. Oh, yeah. Joe's too good of a guy. That's what I'm saying.

He is a good guy. And I understand the Pirates fans are going to show up on opening day because it was good weather. It's opening day. It's a drinking occasion. And he got drunk in a parking lot. I understand that's the case. But they need to turn their back on that guy

and make him forced to sell the team. But I feel like he would cut a similar promo to Phil Castellini. What are you going to do? You ain't going to do shit. All right? We just paid a guy $80 million. You like that? It's like, have a good one. We're going to lose again You ain't going to do shit. All right? We just paid a guy $80 million. You like that? It's like, have a good one.

We're going to lose again. We're going to stink again. We're going to be below 500 for the 45th straight year. That's just how it's going to go. The Reds had glory days, right, at one point? Oh, yeah. I think they're very upset because they were good last year and the last few years,

and then they kind of just let everybody walk this offseason. Wow. I'm going to Pete Rose. Yeah. Joe Morgan. Yeah. You guys remember. Pete Rose. Joe Morgan. You guys remember when they were in their prime? Of course. Johnny Bench.

He had a rocket. Johnny Bench had a rocket. He was there for a while. He could throw it from anywhere. He was throwing people out. Chris Sabo and the Rexbecks. Scott Rowland You remember when Jason Kendall

Used to roll into the Cincinnati Reds And just fucking wreck everybody with no gloves on That's awesome Baseball stinks So many Jason Kendall references here He's the best Fun fact he is the second highest contract Of all time

In Pittsburgh Pirates history He fucking earned it. Yeah, worth every penny. This guy, I don't know about this. I hope this guy... That was 20 years ago. A little inflation difference, too, with how much money he's been paid.

Eight years, eight million. Couch was third, yeah. Well, then we sent Couch out of town when he was almost an MVP. Fucking, you're good. Get out of here. Go win somewhere else. We ain't gonna do that around here.

This team stinks. We've done that with several guys. Hey, answers, what are you gonna do? You're still going to get fucking drunk in an afternoon in a parking lot when we have a game and there's Ambelli fireworks.

What if that's what Nedding just came up with? He knows his audience. All right. We're doing the whole song and dance. We're bringing you the fucking fireworks.

Okay, we still got the dogs and everything. Sauerkraut soul. All right, they're still going to run to pierogies. Him and Ned's son

still carrying the torch. Him and Ned! Him and Ned is coming through. All right, just fucking, what are you going to do about itugies. Him and Nate's son still carrying the torch. Him and Nate! Him and Nate is coming through. All right, just fucking what are you going to do about it? I love that. What you do, though, is you invite every game, like 35 different elementary schools to bust their kids to the game. You let them in for free and try to make some money on concessions,

and you have some seats filled. Genius. Man. Well, you should have had the Winter Classic there next year instead of that dump Fenway. Well, Fenway is a dump. Fenway is a dump. Well, we know that's not true. Ben Affle instead of that dump Fenway. Well, Fenway is a dump. Well, we know that's not true.

Ben Affleck filmed that movie there. I've actually never been there. But, yeah, Ben Affleck and... Jerry Renner. John Hamm. J-Lo. Who's call we taking? Good line. Bingo.

We've got to hurt some people. Are you going to the Winter Classic with us next year? Yeah, where is it? Okay, cool. Fenway. It's Fenway. Are you listening? I thought you said they already had one in Fenway. No, they're about to have one. heard are you going to win a classic with us next year yeah where is it okay cool family it's family are you listening i thought you said they already had one in fenway no they're about to have one penguins bruins fenway 2023 i love that i think it's a great idea me too it should have been in pittsburgh though maybe next year nope probably not well next year pnc or just heinz i think just

heinz heinz too big should have been in pnc. How's it going to be? Where are we sitting? Let's do a pond game. Let's do a frozen pond game. That'd be sweet. They tried to do that. That was Tahoe. Yeah, right next to the lake in Tahoe. The sun blinded everybody and fucked up the ice.

I'm thinking actually on a frozen pond somewhere, like in Minnesota. All right, let's make no money, okay? Let's have a good time. Make them watch. Let's make the ice not really certain what it's going to do. They did that a couple years ago in Mystery, Alaska. The young upstart team took on the New York Rangers and flew them out by helicopter.

It was pretty sweet. That's sick. When are we going to fly up to that one town up there in Canada? Saskatoon? Newfoundland? No. Newfoundland? Newfie.

That's the rock that Rupp said he had to fly into to play against? Yeah, I believe it's a whole province. We need to go there. We should go there, too, on our tour. They drink a lot of beers and enjoy smooth creamu and jam sandwiches. Oh, smooth creamu and jam. Dude, that's awesome. What was that?

Tiger Tail? What was that other thing? Oh, yeah, Tiger Tail. Don't eat that. Sherbert with black licorice. It's not sherbert. It's orange ice cream. Jaeger and orange juice.

It's disgusting. Hey, Jaeger's making a big push to come back. I thought it was dead. I saw Post Malone in the commercial. There's a lot of people who just have stuck true that I know through Jaeger. To Jaeger? Yeah. Really?

I still have my Jaegerator in the kitchen. Hard living. No, you don't. Jaeger bombs almost deleted everybody from the earth, dude. Jaeger bombs are awesome. Those things. Jager bomb, Jager bomb. It does have a cool logo.

Yeah. That video. All time. My new fucking haircut. Yeah. Great video. All right. Great internet.

We're out of here. We can't thank you all enough. Thank you for calling. Tomorrow we got big guests lined up. Huge. Huge. Tomorrow's a big show. Hell yeah.

You hear me, AJ? Yeah. Any hints? No. Oh, that big show. Ear major? Any hints? You'll find out tomorrow. Stay tuned. Politician? Mogul. We're having a mogul tomorrow. I only know one mogul.

Who's that? He's got VCon. He's too busy. He's selling out a fucking stadium. That's selling out a stadium. Gary Vee's going to sell out a stadium. Is he really? He has a whole thing you know that's on a stadium gary v's gonna sell the stadium is he really he has a whole like thing yeah v gone what do you think it might be the other people that are there about jamestown type deal no no no no no what did he say listen what i'm gonna send a couple of you i'm gonna force a couple of you to go yeah i want to go foxes all right and. Foxy's never been said.

And AJ, you'd be perfect. You and the toxic table and Gumpy, the most toxic humans I know. You too, Nick. You guys need to fucking go. I love the K-Swiss shoes they give out for free. The Skies or the Dirt? Dirt and Clouds, both of them, dude.

Jeez Louise. You guys are the worst. What is the deal? PJ Fleck, now Gary Vee. You scum. Gary Vee, yeah. That's who we've been talking about this whole time. Sure, VCon, of course.

That's not a political thing that I thought we were talking about. Who do you think? I thought we were talking about a politician. Who? I don't know. Whoever runs VCon. I just thought of the letter V.

But now I know it's V-E-E-Con. Makes a lot more sense. It's a clever name, too. It is. It's great. I'm going. I can't go. I got to work.

You guys are going. I got to work, too. No, you're off, actually. I got to shovel snow. No, you got your time. You got time off. Shovel snow. I got garage sales to go to.

Well, actually, is it at a garage sale? We don't know if he's starting to say even a garage sale or not, but you boys will go and hopefully turn your fucking lives around. You'll probably learn more about life, shoveling snow, or going to a garage sale. Well, hold on just real quick, though. You all need to drink a little bit of positivity for tomorrow's show. Thank you.

The boat didn't deserve it. The VCon didn't deserve it. Fuck you. You literally started this entire thing. All right, I hope you all find a little positivity before tomorrow. Come on, guys. Listen to him. Us three, me, Diggs, and you are the only three public at P.J. Flex, so I figure we're on the same team. All right.

Just real quick. All right. Just because you're number seven overall linebacker in the history of college football doesn't mean you can be as toxic as you have been. You two. You two need to dial it back a little bit. That's right. I mean, if I go to VCon, I will bring cyanide with me.

Oh, Jesus Christ. And I will chew that cap. If you send me to VCon. Stop it. He's bringing together iconic leaders from way back. Aoki? Greg Billy? Isn't VCon in Minnesota?

You could stop at the fucking Gopher Stadium. Yes, dude. It's everybody. It makes sense, too. The greatest fucking snake oil salesman of our time. No, dude. It's everybody. It makes sense, too. The greatest fucking snake oil salesman of our time. No, no.

You and DJ Fleck together at last. What is the deal, dude? I would like to let both those guys down with it. I do not agree with what he said.

You want to buy the tickets now? Yes, please. We need 20 of them, please. We went in top row. What's that? It's in Minneapolis.

All right, let's get out of here. Is Dan Rue going to be there? Who? That motherfucker kills it. I have never seen a guy with more competitive stamina do it. I mean, he fucking hits that thing.

He does, doesn't he? Yes, he does. He's on a horse in real life with no horse every day. I can't buy it. Huh? Who? I can't buy it. Sold out, right?

No, I have to use that ETC money. Oh, you need Ethereum. Snoop's the leading guy. Well, Snoop. I've got to see Snoop and Gary Vee. Ava Longoria. All right, I'll go. Thank you.

Thank you. You respect. Oh, Aoki's going to be ready to throw a cake. Fucking right. We saw his picture. I think Guy Fieri is there. What? That's gangster.

I think I saw a photo. Guy was born in Ohio. He's an Ohio guy? Yeah. Where saw a photo. Guy was born in Ohio. He's an Ohio guy? Yeah. Where at? I think he was born in Columbus. Let me see. Oh, my God. That's not the best college town in Ohio, but it is a good town.

All right, we're out of here, okay? You guys all need to find a little something to make you feel a little better and speak more positive. Come on, guys. Tighten it up a little bit. Let's have a better Thursday. Oh, yeah. Jesus. All right, we'll have a positive Thursday tomorrow, all right? Hell, yeah. Okay. Two happy Thursday little bit. Let's have a better Thursday. Alright, we'll have a positive Thursday tomorrow, alright? Hell yeah.

We'll do that tomorrow. Hashtag PMS Positive Thursday. Alright, we announced all the winners today for all of our contests that we haven't caught up with. We should be good. We're all the way back, I think. So now there's even more contests that are about to take place. Shout out to Cash App, by the way.

Use hashtag PMS Positive Thursday, you know. And try to guess who the guest is on tomorrow's show. If you get it right, you'll be put into a group to randomly win. This son of a bitch. This son of a fucking bitch. Take a screenshot Alright And we'll give away

Five people will win a thousand dollars each Holy shish And say something nice to somebody and put your cash tag in there Hashtag PMS Positive Thursday Try to guess who the guest is tomorrow. As you have seen, it's mostly friends of the show coming on the show as of late because we do not have a book or whatever. If you get that right, you will be automatically put into a group and then randomly selected to win.

You have to have your cash tag and you have to say something nice and positive. Okay? Here we go. And you tweet that. You potentially be one of the five winners of $1,000 each. You have to have your cash taken. Before we do the positive thing, did you know that Guy Fieri is a fucking liar? Whoa.

You don't say. His last name is Ferry, F-E-R-R-Y. He changed it to F- All right. Listen. I don't need to hear that right now. I just found this out. That's fake news.

That's not real. Who cares? Okay. He's fucking Guy Fieri. Okay. You don't even get it it you don't get to just pick an italian name his middle name is ramsey too that ain't gangster ramsey okay after jalen hashtag pms positive thursday we have to reset this

is his first name actually guy or no yeah it is that's the fucking the only true thing so i mean he doesn't deserve this either it's been a rough day Is his first name actually Guy? Yeah, it is. That's fucking the only true thing about him. Guy is gangster. Guy is gangster name. So, I mean, he doesn't deserve this either. It's been a rough day, by the way. I thought he was Italian. This is why we need tomorrow. We need tomorrow.

Hashtag PMS Positive Thursday. Your cash tag. Guess who's going to be on the show. And then also say something nice to somebody. And you might be one of the five winners of $1,000 each. Okay? Hell yeah. Sounds good.

And everybody needs to relax. Stay off the internet for a day. Okay? Stop learning new stuff that we need to know about that maybe changes our opinion on people. We don't need to do that. Maybe just judging people for, what, leading Colts, I guess? That is your guy's thing over here?

Not me. This is Colts all the time. Being good at football coaches? Yeah, geez. Rowan DeBoat. B.J. Koresh. Steve Aoki is not from Columbus. He's from Miami.

Okay. It's good fact, Lloyd. PJ Koresh? Steve Aoki is not from Columbus. He's from Miami. Okay. It's good factoid. All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Bye. so You know what? You know what? You know what? so you don't want Bye.