The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 642 - Super Positive Thursday With Darius Butler, AQ Shipley, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 14, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys have a Super Positive outlook and chat about Derek Carr's new contract with the Raiders, Sammy Watkins officially signing a 1-year deal with the Packers after landing in Green Bay this morning, and everything else going on around the sports world as they scrape the bottom of the barrel on the news cycle. Joining the progrum to chat about the NFL Draft, Stephon Gilmore in Indy, how you know if a defensive back is going to be a guy in the league, and much more is friend of the show, 9 year NFL veteran at Defensive Back, host of the Man-To-Man podcast, Everything DB, Darius Butler (10:58-44:01). Later, Super Bowl Champion, 12 year NFL veteran on the offensive line, former coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and friend of the progrum, AQ Shipley joins the show to chat about his time in Tampa Bay, what it was like being around Tom Brady as both a player and coach, why he decided not to return to coaching, who some of his favorite lineman in the league are right now, and more (1:02:46-1:32:53). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people, it is Positive Thursday, April 14th, 2022, and this sports show begins right now. That's right, it's a super positive Thursday, okay? Things started heading a little south to negative land yesterday because we're in the middle of the off-season and there isn't a lot to talk about. So today, we came into this show with a super positive mindset. A super positive mindset. Today, we love everybody. Everybody. ELE.

Shut up, Jackie Moon. Shut up. Tom Brady trying to beat Jackie Moon, and then that whole thing got meh. But anyways, actual Jackie Moon. Smart move by Tom. ELE. Today's that day.

Today's a super positive day. We can't thank you enough for joining us here at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show. Darius Butler will join us in about 10 minutes or so. Can't wait to chit chat with him about Stefan Gilmore visiting the Indianapolis Colts. Gilly lock coming to town.

Chris Ballard spending some bucks. That's good to see. That's great to hear. I can't wait to see Darius's thoughts on what he will do to the defense because we're signing this guy. Hell yeah. Jim Irsay sent the jet for him. Jim Irsay sent the big bird.

You remember that one that Peyton and his son Marshall were playing catch on when they were going into Hall of Fame? That's the one that Stephon Gilmore was working on back pedals in while he was flying to Indianapolis. This dude's a cult. You need to all recognize that, and I am pumped about it. Now, probably need a weapon or two and some other pieces, but don't look now.

I don't know what the Colts are for the Super Bowl, but fucking start staring it down. Matty Ice is doing his thing. He's all the way back. Got a chip on his shoulder. He's going to be doing it. I mean, the Colts, if we get Gilly Luck, and I have no – by the way, this is coming from somebody who did not watch a single snap

of Gilmore's season last year. Sure. There wasn't that many. Well, that's what I had heard, which does worry me, but that is what I had heard. That's a good thing, though. Fresh legs. Didn't put miles on the legs. Yeah, you're right. He's fresh. Good thing. Positive. Yeah, absolutely. Super positive Thursday. You're right. Super positive.

He'll be back faster than ever. Better than ever. Defensive MVP a couple years ago. Okay, good. So Darius will hopefully say that same exact thing, and we'll see what that happens. And there's other shit to chit-chat about, but the toxic table, this is a day you guys have been looking forward to for a long time. Yeah.

Because you were kind of, I feel like, at Ty Schmidt rocking the John Deere cap, and at Boston Connor with the mullet helmet. You look amazing today. Thank you. Super amazing. This is probably the best your hair has ever looked. Incredible. Did you guys start looking in the mirror and saying, you. Super amazing. This is probably the best your hair has ever looked. It's incredible.

Did you guys start looking in the mirror and saying, you look too toxic lately? Did you guys ever think that? And are you happy for this positive Thursday to reset the whole thing? I don't know if I necessarily thought that. You know, hey, maybe you wake up on the wrong side of the bed a little bit one day. But you're right. I am so jacked that it is super positive. Yesterday, I just want to recap some things, what you did yesterday.

What? Okay. Yesterday, PJ Fleck. Well. Friend of the program P.J. Fleck, friend of the program. Yeah, that was tough. Friend of the program. He got eviscerated yesterday by you. Conference rival. No, yeah, I understand it was a little college football, Iowa, Minnesota.

Who hates Iowa? We hate Iowa. Leaders division. Is what, Minnesota? No, I think they're in the Legends. Legends, right? No, they're in the Legends division. Sorry, that's my fault.

The Leaders or the Legends. Both really good names, though. Oh, great names for a conference. That lasted for a minute. Anyway, you buried him yesterday. And then, at the end of the show, you couldn't help yourself. You, you for sure. No.

Gumpy, definitely. And that toxic A.J. Hawk. You guys fucking murdered Gary V yesterday What is your problem? Absolute scumbag Oh, you're shit Richie, you BJ Flex, fine, you don't go at Gary

You do not go at Gary I would like to let everybody know You don't go at any of those guys Those guys bring so much positive to the world And this is Positive Thursday I thought there was a chance maybe you guys would say, yeah, we did make a mistake on Wednesday. We did say some things that led to us having this holiday of Positive Thursday

to hopefully change the – we're two weeks away from the draft spectacular. Here we go. Let's start celebrating a little bit. I know. Listen, I was the first one to say, hey, if I could get my hands on a ticket to that snake oil conference that those guys are running, I'd be ecstatic. But you can't find them anywhere because everyone loves them. All right.

Just row the boat, dude. Dude, you've got all of these. Let's not forget the tone also called Guy Ferry, a big scumbag as well. By the way, that is his actual last name of Ferry. It's a really cool original name. I wouldn't have changed it. No, anyways, so everything that happened yesterday does not need to happen again tonight. Right.

No. It's in the past. This is positive Thursday. Yeah. We like everybody. Everybody. Sammy Watkins is visiting the Packers today. What's there not to be excited about?

He didn't play? He didn't play? He used to be really good football. No, still. Tony, he's still a baller. Just whenever he, it seems like there's just sometimes uh he goes sometimes he doesn't aaron rogers your quarterback you're always gonna go there you go so sammy walkins is thinking why not make another run at this entire thing you want a super bowl yeah guy

want a super bowl he's a deep thinker too him and aaron will have great conversation i think so i think so so you got that going for your spring he's swinging an incredibly hot stick in grand slam champion right now i'm feeling very good today. It is a positive Thursday. We talked about FanDuel Face-Off like a week ago maybe because we had just learned about it last week. And we said, hey, super positive about FanDuel Face-Off. Yeah.

This is a thing where you can actually win real money, compete against people in games of skill, I guess. Sure. Because it's a video game you have to play there's a grand slam championship yeah and it's you actually have to hit the right timing on when you uh swing there's actual strategy it's a full-on video game that you can gamble using your fanduel sportsbook account and if you don't have sportsbooks allowed in your state like it's available in like 30 states it's like the most it's the most amazing thing pretty encountered in some time. It's a great time pass

You can bet like 60 cents and win a buck or you can bet like 12 bucks and win 20 bucks But you need to know at this point of the game one weekend. Okay, there's some sharks that have gotten to practice If you have it and they they set you up against similar skill levels they say but i just want to let you know that i've been getting gotten that grand slam championship and it's not directly because of ty but if you happen to run into ty in this game it's a fucking loss you're scoring over 400 points the average like people get to 200 they're pumped up ty's doubling tripling people's scores when playing against them you have to feel great about yourself in the grand slam champion oh yeah feeling unbelievable and like you mentioned

you know the first couple weeks when we were talking about it it was you get a lot of head to head battles with same people who are a lot of green horns on there right now so if you actually do get good at one of these games i won like 150 bucks yesterday i mean that's the world right well that's there's no karma at all because in the show the way you were talking you would think karma would have said no no grand slam championships but you did your yesterday you were like uh it's it's hot right oh yeah that's hot and by the way he's like coding in the social network when they go into that house and the dude has the headphones on

he's wired don't fucking talk to him that's what Ty gets in the middle of Grand Slam Championship he's just locked in on his phone so I've moved my talents strictly to Wheel of Fortune I ran into some I don't know what the fuck they did how they did it they must have not

bought a single valve and were able to figure out words that were I don't know the longest words I've ever seen in my entire life yeah you watch on tv with Pat and Van it's a great game good time a lot easier than the one in his Grand Slam championship I agree I feel like practice here is a lot harder than it's going to be whenever you get on the actual Wheel of Fortune. For sure. Because I got eyes on Wheel of Fortune last night, Pat and Vanna, because I've only been playing on the Vandal face-off, where you can actually play Wheel of Fortune against other people and win actual money.

It's unbelievable. It is the best. I'm a Wheel of Fortune person myself. I've said that a lot. You need a Jeopardy person in conversation. You need a Wheel of Fortune person in every conversation that you're making. Two very different brains. Need both, though.

Need both. I had my eyes back on Wheel of Fortune last night for the first time in like a month. I've been playing Wheel of Fortune on Vando Faceoff. That makes no sense. Watch the show. I think it's making it much more difficult to do. That's right. It's good competition.

Give you a full sentence. In that Wheel of Fortune game. I'm a blocks trial guy, yes. But Wheel of Fortune Fortune like you just said there are words damn near sentences that they put up on that board and I just couldn't do it anymore normally on TV they're like things you've heard of

yes exactly like phrases you've heard of and stuff this I don't think unless we come from the wrong I don't know what the explanation they have for under it is wrong like 85% of the time yeah it's like quite a reach. It sucks. I don't know, guys.

I'm 8-1 in cash games. I don't know what games you guys are playing. I don't know what books you're reading or what shows you're watching. This guy. Super positive. No, we're talking. Hey, congratulations. Super positive.

Way to go. We're hoping to get like that one day. That's right. Eventually. Keep trying. Down the road. You've seen all my stars. I sent a screenshot.

Yeah, you did. I've won a lot in there, okay? But there's a 19,000er just sitting right around the corner. That one was absurd. That's tough. What am I doing? Who? How?

What happened? Could be a bot. No, they don't take me. They have to. It's regulated, so they have to fuck it. Don't wait for the opponent. Hi, it's Aaron Diggs. What's going on, bud?

I accidentally fucked around and got good enough to where I'm in the upper level of Grand Slam champion, but I'm the worst one in the upper level of Grand Slam champion. So I've now lost quite a bit of money. You're the youngest kid in the grade as opposed to being the oldest kid in the grade. That's tough. You know what I mean? Those are two very different lives. We saw each other on the diamond yesterday.

Oh, how'd it go? You throw up a 277, you feel pretty good about it, and Ty fucking dunks on you a 385. That's what I'm saying. Absolutely beat Tony's ass. On this particular super positive Thursday, I think for me

and I think for a lot of us that aren't named Ty, I think we're only running into sadness if we go into Grand Slam Championship. I mean, it is. Stay out of there. They should put on a tournament. There should be like a heavy hitters, big dongs, Grand Slam Championship

that Fando puts together. I would love to. I have entered and cashed in a tournament. Those are pretty difficult. You will get some absolute sharks in there. But, yeah, I welcome all challengers. All right. Well, let's start chit-chatting about football a little bit here.

The Fando face-off is awesome. Yeah. It's a good time. It's a good pass timer. It's unbelievable. It is. And it's available in a lot of places. If you have to wait for a couple minutes, say you're on the elevator or something like

that, it's perfect to get a game. They're going to have to get new games in there. Oh, yeah. For sure. They're going to have to get new games. Some golf. Yeah. Need a golf game. Oh, a golf game would be fucking to have to get new games in there. Oh, yeah. Sure, for sure. They're going to have to get new games. Some golf. Yeah. Need a golf game.

Oh, a golf game would be fucking awesome. Need that longest drive or something. That would be easy, too, because there's so many technology they already have in there. Oh, exactly. Basketball game stinks. It does. It's terrible. It does.

Bruce loves it, though. Bruce loves it. Joining us now, ladies and gentlemen, is a man that we will be seeing a lot of this upcoming football season, which I am very excited about a man is a nine-year nfl vet one of the smartest football players to ever play i can only say that because i got to watch him work in team meetings and such like that incredible athlete played all the positions in the secondary host of the man to man podcast ladies and gentlemen darius butler guys my guys good? Hey, what's the hoodie say? Assets over liabilities?

You know it. Hey, big business talk, DB. Big business. Hey, big business. You got a lot of assets in there in the stew right now. Yeah, we got a lot. We need to get rid of the liabilities. Yeah.

Very positive of you. Yeah, like super duper negative Wednesday. That's a liability. In the rear view. Okay. We're in super positive. Yeah, there it is. Super positive Thursday, D-Bud. You know how it is. Let's talk liability. In the rear view. Okay. We're in super positive. Yep, there it is. Super positive Thursday,

D-Butt. You know how it is. Let's talk a little positivity here. Stephon Gilmore visiting the Colts. This is awesome. I watched zero snaps of Stephon Gilmore last season, so I'm not 100% sure how he played. He didn't play that much, I guess. But this is a massive thing if the Colts can get him

signed. I guess Jim sent the big bird to pick his ass up and fly him into Indy as well. He's a Colt. Is this good or bad? I mean, I think it's great if we can get him. I still think he's got juice left. He got on with the Panthers late. Still played good ball. Obviously came

off an injury the season before, but he was Defensive Player of the Year in 2020. Like I said, can still play. He's one of those guys who you can feel good about a matchup if he's got a lockup with a one-on-one receiver. And with these big-time quarterbacks in that conference in the AFC, the more assets you can have in that defensive backfield, the better. So I think if we can get Gilly Locke in the building,

that would be a very, very good move for us for that secondary. I didn't even think about that angle of looking at how stacked the AFC is because everybody just thinks about, oh, we should get weapons so we can match them. We've got to be able to match. We've got to be able to match. We've got to be able to do that. But on the complete flip side there, it feels like the Colts have been very – like, hey, we are going to have a stacked defense.

It's been a commitment, I feel like, for a long time. They traded a one to get to Forrest Buckner. That's a massive commitment. So Kenny Moe is there, right? Who will run where? Who all do they have in the secondary? And that feels like that's one of the tops in the NFL, right? Yeah, you got Blackman coming back off an injury.

Oh, yes. Julian Blackman. Julian Blackman. Thank you for getting his name right, Connor. Oh, yeah. Okay, pal. Yeah, you. Stump back.

That was too? You were. Remember when you were. That was the worst. That was a bad day. It's good to be a good guy again. Yeah, it's great to be here. Sorry about that.

It's a great day. It's a great day. But we got Blackman coming back. He's got to stay healthy. We just signed McCloud. I like McCloud. He's always around the ball, plays good ball. We lost Rocky Sin in the trade, but we got Yannick coming off the edge from the Raiders.

We need, I would say, we need a good two more legit guys in that secondary. So even if we do sign Gilley, we still need another top notch, either safety or corner to go out there. And like I said, match up with these. Because it's not only just the quarterbacks. It's obviously everybody's loading up with weapons on the outside. So in the secondary for me, you need like a legit six starters. It's not like the old days where you need four guys that go out there and start. You need legit six starters on that back end.

Because if not, they will attack, right? If there's one, two weaknesses, you can have four great. But as soon as they find or they feel like is the weakness, there's just plays designed specifically for said person, right? Yeah, it's matchup. It's a matchup game. So with these quarterbacks, especially with these receivers, some of these tight ends, you've got to double these guys.

Like you play the Raiders, you've got to double Wally. You've got to double Devontae. Somebody's got to get doubled. So that means those other DBs got to be able to win one-on-one matchup. So the better guys you can get out there, obviously, you know, the better your chances are to win those. So you got to have them out there. Whether those are safeties that can do multiple things like a honey badger.

Yeah, where's he going? Or like Gilmore who you can just say, hey, you got him, and now we can shift some other guys over this way and handle business for the defense. So you got to have – and somebody's going to get hurt too. You know, somebody's going to go down, and then the backup's going to come in and have to play. So you got to have six at least legit dudes by them.

You see what the Patriots are doing. They got like four guys that can start, you know, at safety. And then obviously, you know, got Malcolm Butler back. Patriots have made some sneaky good moves this offseason. I know a lot of people are talking about not having an offensive coordinator, but if Belichick is calling the offense, defense, and the special teams, I still feel good with that. Ah, man, he probably is.

That is a little scary to think about. I was going to interrupt you there about Tyron Matthew, but I want to follow up there about you saying you can have Stefan on somebody and have everybody else adjust. Is that person on the one from the other team, or is that person on the two and then you double the number one overall receiver? How does it normally go? It depends on your philosophy.

So, obviously, everybody knows Belichick. He's the guy who's going to put his number two corner or the best press guy on the one guy kind of how they used to do ty and then put the deep safety over the top uh some other guys will still put their best corner on the best receiver and still give that guy help but you know I'm not of that philosophy um if we're I'd rather put my one on their receiver on their second best option that receiver, and let them handle business. So it really depends on your philosophy as a defensive play caller. But Gilmore, he's not only gifted athletically, but he's smart as hell too. He's big, he's long, so he can match up with all type of different receivers

that we're going to come across in the AFC. I was mind blown. It's probably because I'm an idiot or whatever, but as soon as somebody told me, Oh yeah, we're going to put the best corners actually going to go on their second best receiver. And then they'll double the one.

I was like, Oh, that's brilliant. Like that is so smart. Like that. Cause you just assume one-on-one like, Hey, just take your best guy against their best guy.

It's like, well, that was probably a mindset there for a bit until somebody's like, Oh, we need to fucking double that guy. And then we can, I mean, you got, you got, that was probably a mindset there for a bit until somebody was like, oh, we need to fucking double that guy. And then we can just – I mean, you got to have a bad – you got to have a bad motherfucker to do that too.

Like, you got to – it's not too many of those guys. Like, Revis, for instance. Rex will put Revis on whoever was the other number one and just say, all right, let's just forget about that side of the field and let's do all type of different shit on the other side. But it's not too many guys walking around like that. And it's hard to win. Hey, why was Revis so good, D-Bot?

Hey, why was Revis so good, do you think? What was it? Man, and we both saw him in college, obviously. Yeah, I saw him run by me in a fucking punt return. I wanted to ask you. Fucking, hey. Yeah, I remember that. I remember it was a backyard brawl, y'all call it?

Yeah, it was an award. It was on the show. Positivity. Super positive. Super positive. All right, back to the positive. Okay, so Rivas. He was so fast.

His balance, super patient at the line of scrimmage. So I never used to watch it. I'm sure every corner that played during his era would watch the Revis film. But super patient with state would stay square and would basically dictate that receivers release. A lot of routes are won and lost and those within those first five yards. And that's where Revis was dominant. He would either wind you to the sideline where you had no room on that sideline to do outbreaking routes. Or if you were to go inside, he would just press you so far inside.

He'd just throw off time. He had ball skills. He had, you know, good speed. Like, he had literally everything you would want in a corner. He would come up and tackle. So that's what made – he checked every box, you know, ball skills, balance, strength, speed, explosiveness. And he was a big body as well.

Hey, Western Pennsylvania guy, shout out. Shout out. Hey, good businessman, by the way. Shout out. Great businessman. Good businessman, shout out. So I bet is DB one of those positions where picking the goat is impossible? You more so have to do like a Mount Rushmore

or act like there's just a group of dudes? Yeah, I mean, for me, it's not. You know, I think if you look at the corner position, you would say it's Deion for me. That would be my pick. Okay. The guys would argue. Some other guys, you know, you got Champ in the conversation.

Some people would say Revis in that conversation. Seawood, Rod Woodson, Mel Blunt, if you want to go throw back. There's so many names. At the safe position for me is Ed Reed. People go Ronnie Lott. Once again, Rod Woodson. It's so many names. Palomalu. Who's that? Palomalu.

Who's that? Well, Darian. Is that Troy? I didn't hear the name. If you're talking about Troy, obviously Palo Malo. Yeah, he's in the conversation. But it's a lot of great ones that played that DB position. Yeah, well, it's he's got expensive signature. Who?

Troy. Yeah, he's got a fucking incredible sense of where everything's going to happen at, too. Which is good for him, right? Great. Great for him. Positivity. Troy was unreal. It was tough to make a pro bowl man me and ab talk about on the five

you're in the afc as a safety with troy and and every plan i mean you can pretty much give it up we saw your ed reed tweet d but don't don't what was it he's a bad he said he's about i mean every was i mean every they asked who was the best DB in the league since 2000. That's Ed Reed. That's not even an argument. And did you get attacked? No, not really. Most people agree.

But some, you know, people had their favorites. You saw Troy. You saw Champ. Champ Bailey has the most Pro Bowls, I think, by any DB. Seawood was in there. Revis, it was a PFF tweet that I retweeted. They had Revis on there. I mean, it's, you know. Careful. Hey, PFF, they look at all of it. They was in there. Revis. It was a PFF tweet that I retweeted. They had Revis on there. I mean, it's, you know.

Careful. Hey, PFF, they look at all of it. They got the stats, the analytics. You still blogging? Are you still blogging for them? No, not yet. We'll get back to that conversation. We got plenty of time between now and September.

We're talking. Oh, okay. Hey, okay. Good luck. I mean, that's a weak point in pff it's hard to grade coverages when you don't know what the hell is being talked about in those meetings um if you got not getting thrown at what's the grade looks like and there's so many different ways to play similar coverages so even me i play corner play corner, I play nickel, I play safety.

But if I'm not in those meeting rooms that tell you, okay, we're going to play quarters this way this week against, you know, this team. But if Travis Kelsey's here at three as opposed to the backside X, we're going to play it this way. So it's just so many different conversations that happen in the meeting rooms on the sideline that it's hard to tell outside of like man coverage one-on-one, you know, who's wrong, who's right in the coverage. So I would say if it was a weak point, their strong point, the quarterback grades.

Punters. Weak point would be coverages for sure. Yeah, quarterbacks, punters, and kickers. They know those. Super, because it's pretty obvious. Yep. You know what I mean, D-Butt? Super obvious for that one.

I don't know about that. Yeah, super obvious in the punter one. Super obvious. Hey, did it go? Yeah. How did it end up? Kickers, did it go? Yeah. All right. How did it end up? Kickers, did it go through?

All right. Yeah. All right. That's good. But that does seem like that is a common thread through all different position groups of football, saying like offensive linemen, I think, have a lot of issues with pro football focus in their grading. I think probably defensive linemen also have it. Every position basically has issues with PFF because although in theory it is awesome and i think it

is a benefit to the football world oh yeah one thousand percent i do think it does have an incredible place but there's some guys that get really pissed off like oh you're telling me that was a negative play did you fucking hear that i was supposed to do that literally on the sideline right before i got there's like that is probably a thought process in a lot of positions hey but on the flip side sometimes you come out i come out of some shitty games hey i got an 88 pfl so it's a give and take there but uh like you said it is a great you know tool it's just not the one thing that you should just go to and point at and say, hey, this guy's better than that guy.

But I can watch film on a guy. I can watch four games from that season and then look at all the data from the other 13, 14 games and then get a better picture. But you got to put the whole puzzle, the whole mosaic together. That's stats as a whole. That's stats as a whole, D, but I mean. Yeah. Stat that.

Stat that. Hashtag stat that. How's that going? Are we still? Oh, yeah. Two positive Thursdays. Two positive Thursdays. Stat that.

Last question for you from me before the boys have theirs. Baker Mayfield chatted about his entire situation, and you have been a Baker Mayfield supporter. You didn't say like, hey, this guy's top five quarterback in the league. But you said, hey, he's still a starter in the league and everything like that. After listening to the You Never Know podcast with him and Mike and the dog. The dog. The dog.

The dog was awesome. The dog was awesome. The dog was awesome. Super chill dog. Such a chill dog. So cool. Positive. The vibe, though, there wasn't any anger

it didn't sound like there was any anger from baker it was more so like he's just very comfortable and content with like yeah i'm moving on we're moving on like we're past whatever happened he talked about some of the ups some of the downs i think some people on the internet got all pissed off because he didn't uh accept accountability for the downs but i think he did in other parts of the conversation so yeah very what were your thoughts on him chatting for the downs but i think he did in other parts of the conversation so yeah very what were your thoughts on him chatting for the first time and uh how do you think it pans out i mean i like that i didn't have a problem with it you know he was open uh it seemed you know seemed like he was open he was honest and that's what people always say they want from people and athletes and i think

that's what he he was you know baker's kind of been on when it been a guy who kind of wears his emotions on his sleeve. You don't see that much from quarterbacks, especially. And he talked about how he felt disrespected. You know, the team told you one thing and they did another. Welcome to the club, Baker. You know, that happens to damn near everybody in the NFL. And he's in a position where he's still guaranteed 18 and a half, you know, million this year.

And I think he'll get on somewhere. If I had to place a bet, I would say he starts week one in nfl couldn't tell you where but i would say he starts week one um in nfl next year but i i didn't have a problem with anything he said he felt disrespected you know four years four different coaches you know that could be looked at as maybe an excuse i think his biggest mistake was playing through that injury last year. When he played through that injury, that just devalues you, and that's going to put the Browns in a position where they're going to seek better

talent at the position. If Deshaun Watson became available, if he's healthy, he's playing, he's a top five, six quarterback in most people's opinion. I think the Browns made the best move for them, and now Baker's got to do what's best for him. It's a lose-lose for Baker being hurt. If he doesn't play, well, does he care about his team?

Other people have played through this. If he does play and he's inaccurate, well, this is what he is. That was a tough situation there. Don't play. Don't play. You guarantee – now, this is not the situation. Everybody can't do this. A lot of guys who they just got to thug it out.

They got to play through whatever because they are very disposable. They could be up out of there and not guarantee $18.5 million the next year. Baker wasn't in that situation. If you really can't go, if you're in a situation where you're going to put that bad film out there, like I would, if I was his agent, I would say, hey, you're going to put that bad film out there like i would if i was his his agent i would say you just got to sit so i know you really really want to play and it's hard to stop a player from playing when they want to but you can't put them you can't you can't go out and put yourself in that situation because those coaches they get in the room after the season and when

they're evaluating everything hey let's look at these look at these pff numbers he's stuck look at it we got to move on and upgrade. So he's shouldn't have played, but I think he'll have an opportunity to redeem himself next year going forward. They could have stopped him a couple games into it too. I mean, it was a long, long part of the season where it was like, hey, it's obviously affecting your play. But, you know, Baker Mayfield, I think, wears his emotions on his sleeve.

Like that's a big part of him. Like, hey, I'll play through anything. I'll do anything. I think that's what he wants to be known as as well. But business-wise, it seems like it is certainly backfiring in all of it right now. But he said in You Never Know podcast, I think he said, if I was to ask this like a week ago, it would be Indianapolis,

but I guess Matt Ryan got signed. And then he said now Seattle, but he knows nothing. He said, I know nothing nothing but he would like Seattle he mentioned Seattle as potentially being a landing spot I don't remember the exact reference I don't want to put any words in his mouth. Yeah I mean that's one of the you know them and Carolina

but Carolina you know the reports have already come out it was mutual you know disinterest there it's not too many other landing spots that we can see right now but I mean I hope he gets back out there. Yeah, you're saying he's starting day one. Wow. At least suck from being healthy.

This is positive Thursday. I want to see Baker get out there and redeem himself. All right, let's go. There it is. Hey, so do we, by the way. So do we. But it feels like there's not a lot of options. Hopefully he gets a chance to kind of do his.

Tannehill had a similar. Yeah, true of do his. Tannehill had a similar. Yeah, true. You know, Tannehill had a similar. Like, was it the situation? Was it him? Then he gets an opportunity. Then he goes. And you have Derrick Henry as a running back.

Yeah, helps. I mean, there's a lot. Jarvis Landry, too. Last year he played through some bad injuries. So I think whoever signs Jules, I think whoever gets Landry in the building is going to get a steal. Because him healthy, he's one of the best receivers by far in that uh slot for sure did you text chris ballard that or no uh i put it out there uh you know ballard ballard don't listen to shit i'll say man he's got a plan he trusts the buy and as he should you know everybody

has their different philosophies um about you know going about how they do their business and obviously Chris has been successful but we're getting impatient. We're getting impatient. Chris knows that but he's got a plan. He doesn't give a fuck what I say either. He actually documents it and then he comes on. I mean I'm taking it

on the shins. I deserve it. Whatever. A little patience please jeez us getting Matt Ryan was huge oh yeah that was very big at least wide receivers now like Jarvis Landry if we were to chat with him would be like yeah all right I mean Matt Ryan can give me the ball I think that is something that could happen he's known to be pretty accurate let's go ahead and make a play need to stack up on the offensive side De Debo? Debo, let's go. We got the money now. That would be a dream come true for Matt

because that's what we need to make this Matt Ryan move look good or make sense because he's not a dynamic quarterback that's going to beat you with his legs or extend plays or do things that aren't on the play sheet. He's a guy that knows football. He knows offense. He knows defenses. And he

needs receivers that can win matchups. And then playmakers that you just got to get. Debo is a guy that knows football. He knows offense. He knows defenses. And he needs receivers that can win matchups. And then playmakers that you just got to get. Debo is a guy you just get the ball in his hands and let him do what he do. So I would love having that guy. His attitude, how he attacks the game, how he plays ball. I would love getting Debo in the building. But San Fran would be absolutely out of their minds to let him out of that building. Yeah, they got to figure out the Jimmy G situation still.

I mean, San Fran's got a lot going on. And Schrager told us, yeah, they take their time with stuff too. Like, it just happens on their time. Like, Kittle got paid when the Niners wanted Kittle to get paid. Juice got paid when they wanted him to get paid. So, Tebow wants to get paid. Awesome. The Niners will pay him when they want to pay him or they'll move on.

It's interesting that that is just how they're known. Like, yeah, Lynch and Chanahan were just going to do it. Wait, yeah. Hey, but you know, Pittsburgh was like that too until AB got paid, and now obviously that didn't work out long-term for them, but you always, you know, Deshaun Watson just got 230 fully guaranteed. They're not happy. I don't want it.

Hey, all the wide receivers are starting to ask for that type of money. But you think that's worthy? You think there's enough wide receivers out there that that they are actual game changers? Right. Because doesn't a wide receiver need a quarterback to do well? That's what GMs are saying. Whenever. Yeah. Yeah. Most dependent position on the field. So it's hard to spend that type of money on a wide out and then build a winning roster around it.

Debo, so for the Colts, I think it would make sense because we got a short-term window, obviously, with Matt Ryan that we want to win. And then we're going to be, I would think, at least making a play in the draft in these next couple of years to get a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal. So we'll be able to afford it. to get a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal. So we'll be able to afford it. But other teams that got quarterbacks making, you know, 40-plus a year, which is the going rate for them now, it wouldn't be a good move for them. But different teams.

Obviously, situations are situational. Bingo! Yeah, Deebo, I think he will be worth it, especially now it makes sense for Indy, in my opinion. But it sounds like that's going to be the new thing. Whenever a quarterback gets paid, wide receivers getting paid as well. And it's almost like a bundle package that is going to start happening almost. But if you're the wide receiver, can't help

the wide receivers for being like, no, no, yeah, we want that money as well. We're a big part of that money that quarterbacks are getting. I'm catching. So like they need, right? Don't you? So like you're going to pay me. And they have the leverage right now too, I think,

because this is like a precedent getting set. Yeah, once that market is set, it's tough to go back. And I think D-Hop kind of said it a couple years ago, obviously Devontae. Tyreek. Ty Hill, he just got 72 guaranteed. Diggs just got 70 guaranteed. Christian Kirkwin got paid.

So, yeah, corners. Corn some corners we need to catch up that's that's that's the issue right now we're kind of lagging behind in that market and i love that jc jackson got paid but i felt like jc jackson should have reset that market x howard came back and got 25 a year i think but jc jackson was deserving of a 25 a year type deal because he's if you put him up against any other corner in the league, it's hard to say another guy is better than JC Jackson. But he's out there in L.A. and he's happy with his deal. Good for the Chargers. Good for the Chargers signing JC because we could have.

Go ahead, Ty. Deebo, when you look at some of these young D-backs in the draft, and like Jeff Okuda, he's not done yet. He's still early. But he hasn't – and some of these other guys, they haven't really performed up to where they get drafted at. How do you know when a guy is actually like a guy in the NFL and the D-back like that?

Because Derek Stingley and Sauce, they're both saying that they might be two of the best players in the draft and they're more ready than everyone. But how do you actually know when a guy's, okay, he's going to be able to handle this or he won't? Man, it's tough. It's rare to just know because just like most positions, quarterbacks, it's about who's around you, you know, what other players are around you,

what other veteran players, what coaches, what type of scheme are you, are you drafted in the right scheme for you. Now, there's some corners who are just like last year, you had J.C. Horn and Patrick Sertain. I felt like both of those guys were, you know, no-brainers. Patrick Sertain was super polished. His dad was a pro. He was raised in the system. J.C. Horn's dad was a pro, raised around football, been around it, been coached up the right way all their life. So that has a lot to do with it as well. But coming in as a young DB, especially around football, been around and been coached up the right way all their life. So that has a lot to do with it as well. But coming in as a young DB,

especially a corner, is really about your supporting cast, your pass rush. So Okuda went top three, I believe. Went to Detroit. Didn't have a lot of great surroundings with them. So it's still room for him to grow, but it really depends

on who's around you, who's coaching you up, who's helping you out in those meeting rooms, who's helping you prepare. Because playing in college, I mean, a lot of these guys come in the league and don't even know how to backpedal. Can't ID, don't know difference of coverages, don't really know formations, and then you're playing against quarterbacks every week. What? What happens?

Who make $40 million a year. It's a different ballgame. In college? What? They don't know how to fucking backpedal? What do you mean? So in college, it's just like no coaching? It's just like, hey, listen. Hey, do it. Go get the ball. Run.

That guy. You got him. Press, lock up, however you need to do it. You know, coaches, I mean, you're winning. You're winning your matchups. That guy's better. And you're probably seeing a quarterback that's like legit, maybe three, four times a year. But then you get to the NFL 17 weeks like you got, you know, these are dudes out there get paid 40 million dollars a year.

Receivers is getting 20 plus a year for a reason. So it's a completely different ballgame, much less a room for error. And you have to play the game between your ears pre-snap during the week. So it's a whole different ballgame. So you got to do your research on these guys, and you also got to put them in a good environment. Super humbling, huh? I assume for some guys, and then some guys can't handle it?

Oh, yeah. I mean, as a DB in general, you got to have – all players do, but especially as a DB, you got to have a short-term memory. You're going to get beat. And high school, college, a lot of – look, with Sauce, I don't think Sauce Gardner's giving up a touchdown in, what, two years or something crazy like that? Like, that doesn't really happen like that in the NFL much.

So you're going to get humbled. At my rookie minicamp in New England, I will make a play, and my DB coach will be like, hey, Brady and Moss are going to be here next week. That shit ain't going to work next week. Damn, Cole, let me get my shit off this week. So it's definitely different. It's definitely humbling. But you got to be wired for it.

Yeah, it's interesting. It's such a – the position, you have to be a Ferrari too. Like you have to because you're reacting to everything else. And then you have to know what's going on. It's insane. And everybody's a fucking expert when you get beat, too. So it's not like you're getting a D tackle, you blow an assignment, or a linebacker, you miss a gap.

It's like, okay, let's put this replay on. Oh, yep, one-hand catch. Tied on. Jamar Chase in the end zone. Yeah, Darius Butler sucks. Yeah, you guys get dunked on. Yeah, a lot, a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like kicker-like isolation almost, too, because you're out in the middle of nowhere and you're getting beat. So you get, like, the kicker attacks potentially on a regular basis. Oh, no. Oh, no. You guys all right? Sorry. Everything good?

Well, I'm just saying, you probably got killed a lot on the internet. Oh, yeah. I mean, it happens. It's part of it. Like I said, you got to have that short. And you can have, you got 60 plays in the game. You got 57 great reps. You have two, three shitty reps.

You're the worst corner in the league. But, you know, left tackle's got to deal with it, too. So, you know, there's certain positions that are like that. Man, that's insane. Right tackle's too. Go ahead, Connor. You know, the pass rushes are crazy now. Yeah, yeah.

Insanity, absolutely. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, D every pass rush is crazy now. Yeah, insanity, absolutely. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, D, but you mentioned the Patriots having four safeties, and one of the guys, Jabril Peppers, is on a one-year deal, and he tore his knee last year. He hasn't really been as what everybody thought he was going to be. Why in New England do guys come in and just kind of have the best year of their career, then leave, get paid, and then eventually come back? Like Malcolm Butler, he's back already, and he got let go, and obviously J.C. Jackson

had to leave. So why is that, you think? You know, like I said, the research part of it, knowing obviously Belichick, he'll see a guy and know, okay, this is what this guy does well. So let me put him in this position to excel, and then you're going to learn football on a different level than you ever learned it before uh peppers i can see him coming in and being like a patrick chung type player i actually hit chung up once they signed peppers like hey this guy reminds me do you see the same

thing he's like yeah i think the same thing he can play in a run game he can match he can cover he can even possibly be a returner if he comes back fully healthy. But I think a guy like Peppers, there's a lot of still untapped potential there. And he can definitely be another candidate who comes there, ball, goes somewhere else and get paid and probably eventually comes back again. But Belichick does a great job

of obviously identifying strengths and weaknesses and then putting you in a position to excel. So what happens? Then you get to another team, and I'm not saying to you, but to guys in this particular case. Hey, this is what you did in New England, but we think you should do this. Is that what happens? And then they get put in a completely different role almost,

and that's why they – Yeah, you get put in a different role because a lot of guys, a lot of these front offices, a lot of – they don't know football like that. Like literally they don't know football. They. Literally, they don't know football. They can't watch film and say, hey, this guy will be good in this game. They look at papers and analytics and numbers. I will go on free agent visits, and I will have the visit and talk to my agent, and then my agent will tell me the guy that they're comparing me to are two completely different players.

I'm going to another visit, same player, completely different players, and I'm going another visit, same player, same comparison. Why am I keep getting compared to this dude? Oh, it's because you guys got the same games, the same reps, the same stats. So it's literally that. So that's why it's so many misses, especially when you're signing free agents. So if you don't bring a guy in that can literally fit in with the scheme, fit in with the locker room, a lot of times it's not going to work.

But sometimes it works backwards. Like I was in New England and my second year I struggled and I sucked in that environment and how you coached and how you wanted me to play certain things. And I went on other places and played better. So it works different for different people. But that's typically why it happens in New England for players when they leave, have some success or not success, and then come back and, you know, latch back on with the Patriots. And I think Bill and them are happy to bring you back because you know what they're expecting.

You've already been there. Like, hey, you know exactly what we're expecting. You know what we're running. You know how we run things. Like, let's go ahead and do that. It is like a comfort there, I'd assume. And then they get you at a discounted rate once you go to Detroit.

You remember what it was like in Detroit? You remember? How about a little hometown discount? You don't remember what it was like. Other places terrible. No fun, no wins, and you stunk. We were lucky we signed you. Alright, now good luck. I'll see you at the meetings. Because Bill's

the negotiator, right? Uh-huh. Yeah. That's hilarious and wild. Offense coordinator, defense coordinator, maybe special teams coordinator, head coach, general manager, lead counsel, Bill Belichick. Lead scout. Lead scout. I love this dude.

I love him, man. He's never stopping. Josh McDaniels. Happy birthday to him, I think, right? Saturday. Happy birthday. Coming up or last Saturday? Coming up.

The 16th. No, it's positive 30. I can't wish him a happy birthday. Dude. Dude. I got lifetime beef with Josh. Oh, no. Bill.

Bill. Bill. Bill. Oh, happy birthday, Bill. Happy birthday, Bill. Happy birthday. We'll dive into the Josh thing later. That sounds like a great story.

We don't have to do it right now. You know, it's awesome. I will remember that, though, whenever something happens with the Raiders. Can't wait for that. Go ahead, Tone. D-Butt. I know, it's awesome. I will remember that, though, whenever something happens with the Raiders. Can't wait for that. Go ahead, Tone. D-Butt. I mean, that threw me through. I thought this was positive

on Thursday. Yeah, it is positive. I mean, we got lifetime beef. Come on. That's a long time. Come on, Tone. D-Butt. What do you know?

Ty brought him up earlier. Sauce Gardener's everybody's number one right now, but when Derek Stingley Jr. was a freshman and he was locking down Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, he was talking about number one overall pick when he eventually came out. What do you know about this guy? Is it just because of the injuries that he's fallen slightly,

or have you studied him at all? Yeah, honestly, I don't think he's fallen. As long as he showed he's healthy, he ran fast at his pro day. He had good field work. And all of my LSU guys that talk about, obviously, a lot of talent come through LSU, especially the DB position. They speak very, very, very highly of him. And I think the scouts kind of have that same thought of him.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's the first corner off the board. I'm waiting for Mitt's draft 4.0. But I wouldn't be surprised if Stingley's the first corner off the board, showing that he's healthy, showing that he can still, because evaluators, coaches, you know, you got these egos. You feel like, hey, I can get that guy to play back at that level that everybody saw him at, and that's in regards. Sauce Gardner, he's checked all the boxes. He's played, you know, at a very high level.'s checked all the boxes he's played you know uh at a very high level he did all the things he ran faster and i thought he was going to run it to combine so he's i think worthy and warranted to go be the first corner off the board but i would

not be surprised if stingley's the first corner off the board his athletic ability i think his ceiling may be higher uh but uh is the more ready pro. What are you doing for the draft? Are you with the pro football focus, folks? I'm not sure yet, man. I might come up with a draft spectacular. Yeah, we need you. We need you at draft spectacular.

We're looking back on last year, trying to watch some film and learn from our mistakes. The first draft pick was until 59 minutes into the draft spectacular. So we're going to beat that. that We're not gonna do that again It's gonna be interesting What story breaks Right before The draft this year I'm sure it'll be something

Day of Day before Some things are being Collected right now Be some smoke too As people make their final Fuck it Yeah let's do it

You know that decision Rap said Possibly Baker Baker Mayfield maybe Alright so So you're joining us For the draft spectacular Make their final. Oh, fuck it. Yeah, let's do it. You know, that decision. Rap said possibly Baker. Baker Mayfield, maybe. All right. So you're joining us for the draft spectacular. I'm up there. Let's do it.

All right. Good. All right. This is sweet. 14 days away. We appreciate the hell out of you, man. We'll talk to you soon. Ladies and gentlemen, nine-year NFL vet, host of the Man to Man podcast, Darius Butler.

Super positive Thursday. Good holiday. Super positive Thursday. Feels great. It's a good holiday Thursday Good holiday Super positive Thursday Feels great Good holiday Good holiday Great holiday And just like any holiday

We did fall out of the spirit A couple different times In the first hour And it's You know Difficult not to stay on track All the time But you know

And for me I think today Has been a success Because We have celebrated A man That just yesterday You tried to tear down The fucking pieces for a good 10, 20 minutes from nowhere, which actually caused us to have this super positive Thursday. Because what you did led to everybody feeling like they could say stuff about a five time, five time, five time, five time, five time.

New York Times bestseller. Hell yeah. So we have Super Positive Thursday because of you. I hope you feel good about it. I feel great. And, you know, I feel bad about Gary because he was really just taking ricochet shots from P.J. Fleck. You mentioned Carmen the first time. Look at this.

He's number six, best head coach in college football under 45. I feel like I'm part of the reason they wrote that article. To bring him back up. Yeah, exactly. So maybe it was Carmen in the opposite direction, and now they can shine light on, I feel like I'm part of the reason they wrote that article. To bring him back up. Yeah, exactly. So maybe there's karma in the opposite direction, and now they can shine light on, hey, P.J. Fleck isn't just your run-of-the-mill snake oil salesman.

He's actually a great football coach. He's top six, dude. You need to relax. This is Super Positive Thursday. Super Positive Thursday. I'm saying what they were saying. At Boston Conner, the mullet looks fantastic. Oh, thank you, Pat. It feels more positive today, if anything.

It does. It's glowing. Sure. I watched it. Thank you. What? You look great. No, you look great. No, thank you, Pat. It feels more positive today, if anything. It does. It's glowing. Sure. I watched it. Yeah, thank you. What? You look great. No, you look great.

No, you look great. No, come on. You look great. Well, I'm getting away because I stopped the keto, but thank you. I did some curls earlier, making me feel good. I mean, you're doing intermittent fasting. You're not just completely off the wagon yet. Yeah, you're right.

I'm trying. Crushing it. Thank you, too, dude. No, come on. That's what Super Positive Thursday is all about. Yeah. Okay, I'm happy we could be an example for you, Tone Diggs, who's inevitably. I'm trying. Crushing it. Thank you. You too, dude. No, come on. That's what Super Positive Thursday is all about. Yeah. Okay, I'm happy we could be an example for you, Tone Diggs, who's inevitably going to turn negative.

What are you talking about? In the back back there, your little hammered down cowboy twin. He's wearing a shirt. He's been smiling a lot. Team Brittany. I just want you to know, hey, happy Super Positive Thursday, Gump. Gumpy. You guys say whatever you want about Jackson, but I draw the line at Brittany.

That's right. All she's done is loved her man. You leave her alone. That's super positive. Super positive. Thank you, Gumby. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. And joining us now is a man who was also a rather large reason why Super Positive Thursday was created. Yeah. A man who floods himself with toxicity daily, both through his broken fingers and his cell phone and his everyday just acknowledgement of how the world operates. A college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, the number seven ranked college linebacker of all time

from a group of people that do rankings that we don't always agree with. Right. But still worthy of the conversation, best college linebacker of all time, ladies and gentlemen, the Ohio State Buckeye, AJ Hawks. Yay!

AJ! Happy Positive Thursday! Yeah, it feels good. Isn't every day a positive day for us, though, I feel? Well, that's the problem is you're not treating

the day any different than you did yesterday and that's a little worrisome because we've all been celebrating Super Positive Thursday for the first hour and you're already trying to deflect and get us off track. This is Super Positive Thursday.

It's different than every other day, AJ. I'm glad to be a part of it, Dan. I'm looking forward to having a couple very, very positive hours here ahead. Okay, so let's talk about Brian Kelly. Yeah, what happened? What happened with him? Okay, so there are reports on the internet that Brian Kelly posted on his Instagram story a picture of a tweet that says,

Everyone who is connected with sources inside the current program knows that the Notre Dame Athletic Director is retiring in two years alongside President Jenkins. Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick. Jack wanted to please the people, so he didn't search for a coach and just hired Marcus. Hope he made the right choice, but I doubt it. That comes from the Twitter account, Stinky123021. There's a big glare right there. Honestly.

17302153. Nailed it. At Stinky17302153. Nailed it. At Stinky17302153. Okay? Okay. So Stinky posted this on Twitter. Somehow Brian Kelly screenshotted it. It meant to send it to somebody on Instagram or meant to just, you know,

maybe butt out or maybe whoever runs his Instagram put this out there. Oh. maybe butted out or maybe whoever runs his Instagram put this out there because Coach O, former LSU coach, was giving pep talks to the Notre Dame staff and team and Coach O said, well yes now you're going to win that man. He said with this staff you're going to win it all or whatever.

So Brian Kelly posts this talking shit on his guy that used to work for him Marcus Freeman. So we snoop around a little closer. Who the fuck is Stinky? 17302153 or whatever the fuck it is. Who is this? So I go to Stinky's account.

Stinky's got one tweet. Okay, now they deleted this particular tweet. This is the other tweet. It's in a reply response to somebody talking about Coach Freeman. High school coaches know Freeman's been on shaky ground since day one. They're telling their kids to find a more stable landing spot. So Stinky17302153 appears to have quite an ax to grind on whether or not Freeman's going to be a good coach or not at Notre Dame. Or whether or not he's going to have a job in two years when the ADM president inevitably retired.

So you think to yourself, well, there's no way, you know, that Brian Kelly would be this obvious. So then you have to go check Stinky17302153. Who do they follow? Who are their followers? So you look at who they're following. The first person that they are following, Brian Kelly. So then they follow Brian's son, Brian's daughter, Brian Polian, who is a Polian, who's a special teams coordinator.

I don't know. He went to LSU with him. He was with him in Notre Dame. I know him from back in Colts days, basically. And he's a special team guy. And basically everything else associated with the Tigers down there. So you automatically assumed to yourself, there's no way Brian Kelly would be running a burner account just burying Coach Freeman.

That wouldn't be happening. No way. But then he screenshots it allegedly and puts it on his own Instagram story accidentally, and then he has to delete it down. We don't know if that's true because we didn't catch it when it was live up there, but somebody reported it, and that picture looks pretty damning, but the internet can Photoshop.

So is Brian Kelly stinky 17302153 on this super positive Thursday, A.J. Hawk? Why, though? He hired Marcus to campus, to Notre Dame. Is this – like there had to be something going on. If this is true, why does Brian Kelly, does he just want them to stink so it makes him look better? Like, hey, I'm the only one that can win there? I'm not 100% sure, but it has to be for recruiting, right?

This is probably for recruiting purposes. Are they really recruiting against each other a lot, though, LSU and Notre Dame? I mean, I'm sure they're the big-time guys, I guess. I don't know. I have no idea. And who is Coach Brian Kelly sending that to in his Instagram? Was he just pissed, too, because Coach O said, like, pumped pumped up the staff how great they were and he's probably never said that about

brian kelly yeah i'd assume yeah it's like the ex-girlfriend going to fuck you know what i mean yeah they're dating uh we might as well exactly you know we know anything but brian kelly left on his own he didn't get pushed out no yeah well that's that's why we're saying this guy is a maniac if this is the case that's what we're so like he but that's what we're saying that's what we're trying to say to you. He should be happy for his guy getting a head coaching gig, actually, because that's his coaching tree potentially growing and everything like that. But that wouldn't be the case because it seemed like he screenshotted it.

Well, and he also didn't. When it first came out, Marcus Freeman, he wanted him to come with him and make him the highest-paid coordinator in the nation. And he was just like, you know, I think very quickly he was like, no, I'm staying at Notre Dame. Because it was before the bowl game, you know, I don't want to do that to these guys. So I wonder if it does go a little deeper. But then you think, well, this is too obvious. This might be somebody impersonating, you know, Brian Kelly.

The more obvious, the less obvious, though. That may be what they're thinking. Well, yeah, exactly. I think maybe you would think somebody's trying to set up Brian Kelly by running a burner that is too clearly Brian Kelly, which has happened on the Internet before. People have acted as if they were somebody else's burner account. It made it too obvious.

It was like way too obvious. Can't do it. It got sniffed out. Almost a catfish burner account, which is a wild thing, but that is what the Internet does. But him posting it on his story is kind of like the smoking gun out there. It's like, well, he knows it exists. And it's almost like too obvious the first follower was Coach Brian Kelly.

The only other person following him is one person, and I think they just started following him within a day because it was like a college podcast, a college football podcast, I think. Well, and the timing of the tweet doesn't make any sense for him to put it on because it's from January 4th. Like, was he going through Stinky's profile and then saw it? Did he just search Freeman on Twitter and then look for the worst one? Like, it doesn't make any sense.

Go back to the Instagram story. Oh, yeah. 1-4-22. He had that stored in his phone, right? If you had to. And if nobody saw it, who liked it? Well, the one like was from. Oh, fuck.

I think I looked. I don't think it was important. I don't think I need to. I mean, we need this to happen. You're right. Brian Kelly does have to be a lunatic. But I would say it's the most positive way possible. His Brian Kelly does have to be a lunatic. But I'm going to say it's the most positive way possible. His entire career, he has been a lunatic.

But in a good way that makes you win football games and make bad decisions with when he practices and do weird accents for recruiting and stuff like that. Well, it's fine, Emily. I can't judge him, by the way. I would. If you had me around a bunch of, hey, how's it going all day,

and then you asked me to go speak at night and I might have had a wine or two, I'm probably going, hey, how we doing down there? We are kind of the champions of that. Pat steps foot inside of Texas and immediately a bolo tie sprouts with a cowboy hat and boots. Boom! Boom!

Crushes it. Boom! Went and run, they said, right? Except for that, I guess. But, you know, that tweet was deleted, so I don't know who liked it. There was somebody who liked the stinky one, and it was Richard19138054,

and that person's last tweet publicly is them trying to enter one of our contests. Who do they follow? So I think. Full circle. What's he going to say, though? When they ask about it, what's he going to say? I don't run my socials.

I don't understand technology. They follow, like, every single sport mascot, it seems. Like 77 people. So that's a lot of fun to see. The Notre Dame mascot. But anyways, I did not see the Notre Dame mascot in there, but it was a lot of mascots. I saw Gritty there. Oh, okay. That's a lot of fun the notre dame mask but anyways the uh i did not see the notre dame mascot in there but it was a lot of mascots i saw gritty there and oh okay big mask but that's wild dude isn't it that's insane because that means brian does run his instagram or whoever does run

his instagram is getting fired promptly yeah unless it's a family member maybe and that's why they follow the uh his son and his daughter maybe it was one of them like i'm sick of people bill pulling runs it. It's a lesson, though. Isn't that a lesson, though, for coaches or somebody? Don't have your family members run your account because you can't blame it on them and fire your family member. Yeah, you can certainly say you got hacked or somebody made a mistake that is not a family member. The thought, though, that he runs that burner,

screenshots it, sends it to somebody who runs his Instagram. Hey, a friend sent me this the other day. Hey, Brian Kelly says, hey, a friend sent me this the other day. Just something to remember, you know what I mean? If anything goes on social media, you know, you're doing that old thing. And then that accidentally gets sent.

So somebody other than Brian Kelly has to know it was Burner if it's somebody else posting on the Instagram, right? So if he comes out and says it was somebody else that did it, it was my intern that did it, so the intern's also running the Burner account? Yeah, that's... There's no real good way out of this, I feel like,

other than, hey, I got hacked. Right? But then who's running the Burner? So the Burner account was being run on January 4th for this hacking situation to do this? That's wild. There's a lot of twists and turns to this one. How do you get out of it?

I mean, Brian will find a way. You just ignore it and move on. Brian will find a way. Did they already have their spring game? Yeah, he doesn't even have to answer. Did you see how many fucking deep balls we threw? Yeah. So apparently when he first went over to LSU, he changed his profile photo and banner to LSU stuff before the news came out.

Did you guys know that stuff already? Okay, so go on. So I'm saying he probably does run himself, right? Because no person that actually runs social media would do that early? Yes, they would. What do you mean? What's happening? I don't know what you're talking about.

So you're saying because the banner got you. To release the profile photo and the banner of LSU stuff? Yeah, that would be like a social media team move, I think. I think they would, personally. I'm not 100% sure. I don't know a lot of people that just run other people's social medias, though. You know, like, I have met a couple, and it's fascinating to dive into their world a little bit

on how they operate and everything. But I think their only mission is to just make sure. Yeah, but Brian, he's an old. You know, it feels like that generation. Yeah, but Brian, he's an old. It feels like that generation. Yeah, but he's dancing on the thing. He gets it. Oh, he definitely gets it, but I don't know if he's taking his time to actually do it

just because he's all on ball. He's only 60. 60's old. He's lived. 60's not old anymore. No, for sure. But in the social media age, 60's very old. Very old, yeah, but he's been

he's just a DM. People probably like fire emojis and shit. Yeah, he uses it for recruiting probably. Hold on, who had to sing that Justin Bieber song the other day? We saw a college coach had to sing a Justin Bieber song. Hey, you sing. Why? Is it U Miami? Or Louisville? So the kid would commit. The guy

did it. He sent it back. Pretty good singing, but song and dance fucked and puppet for a 17-year-old. But wait, did this potential recruit say, hey, if you sing Bieber, I'll commit? Yes. And then Kyle Herman did it. I might do it, too, if I was the coach and I wanted to hold on to my job. Tom Herman did it. Yeah, Tom Herman did it.

Your guy. Wow. Who's that? Who's the quarterback? Who is it? I assume he's pretty good at football He better be He's a linebacker

Nice Bieber's very good so I understand the request Super positive Thursday I agree You know I'm a Bieber fan Could you imagine doing that for a living? So am I Could you imagine doing that for a living So am I Could you imagine Doing that for a living though

That's a special person I have to have like My 11 year old daughter Filming Hey can you hold this I gotta do this little dance And sing and everything She's like oh great dad

Sounds good Here's Tom Herman Singing Justin Bieber's song To get Texas linebacker DeMarvian Overshown To commit Okay

So do we have the video Yeah let's run it Ah Texas has a lot of people That'll probably take us down Why overshown to commit. Okay? So do we have the video? Yeah, let's run it. Ah, Texas has a lot of people that will probably take us down. Why? Why would you take it down? This is a good story. Not the way we're – I mean, the way I'm talking.

Like, I would never in a million years do this. I don't know how so. Yeah, but you could say, hey, he's all in on this program. The coach wants to win. Oh, he's out. Unless he went back because he was a coach at Texas. Did he go back to Sark? Yeah, Sark. Right now he's listed – last because he was a coach at Texas. Did he go back to Sark? And then Sark. Right now he's listed.

Last year he was an offensive analyst for Chicago Bears. So this is old? It's an old story? So this is just coming out about him now? I thought the recruit posted on his Twitter. Yeah. And his Instagram saying that he was committed. Maybe he's just putting in some extra work.

Whatever the case, he was singing for a 17 year old and that's the type of commitment that i don't have but i have the utmost respect for all those college coaches out there that are doing the song and dance literally the song and dance do we really think though that this recruit requested that like he do you think he just got back yeah we saw the entire d the entire It was like, hey, you sing this. You sing Justin Bieber, I will commit to the score or whatever. I literally saw it, and I almost puked. And then I came back, and it just got brought up again here.

I just heard it, and I almost puked. Well, just the whole story is, hey, this dude's a fucking ball player, though. Oh, yeah, he better be. This dude is a ball player. Do you have the screenshots, too, of the message or whatever? The whole story? Or do you just have... I will commit if you sing that one Justin Bieber song.

This is what he said. And then here's Tom Herman coming back. Stopped the song. I can't take it anymore. I can't do it. That happened. That was it. It was an audio message. It wasn't even video. All right. Go back do it. That happened. That was it. It was an audio message.

It wasn't even video. All right, go back to it. Yeah, go back to it. It was audio. Oh, for you, I would have done whatever. And I just can't believe we ain't together. I mean, pretty good. Pretty good voice.

Yeah. Who was that? It's Tom Herman. That was Tom Herman and the kid or just Herman? Are we positive it was Tom Herman? I don't know. Are we positive it was Tom Herman? We are not.

No, I just can't find it anywhere on the internet. Oh, no. He's not the coach. Look for his socials. Overshown. Over. But he's not the coach at Texas so this the timing seems a bit odd yeah it might be one

of the recruiters is the guy with the monkey and the stripper still there that's what I was wondering first and foremost whatever happened with that do we ever hear what happened with that is the monkey still there I hope yeah because the people came in and went into the Do we ever hear what happened with that? Is the monkey still there?

I hope. Yeah, because the people came in and went into the monkey space. That was what they said in court. And there were signs that said don't stand your ground. I'm going to do my research on this. Tom Herman did not deserve this if it was not Tom Herman. I literally seen it and almost vomited. I literally almost puked.

I was like, man, how do people do that? Insane. But, hey, hell of a football player. He plays really well. You guys win. I guess you just make a bunch of money being a coach somewhere. Is that how it all works? Oh, he's a senior.

So, DeMarvion Overshawn is a senior at Texas. So, yeah, this could have been when Tom was there. Okay, so this story is just getting leaked now. Okay. All right. Allegedly, Tom Herman tried to fight Mike Vrabel at an Ohio State practice a couple years ago. How'd that go, AJ? I don't know.

Where did Nick hear that? Just reading a couple of Ohio State guys had a podcast, and they were talking about it. Herman was the OC, I think, and Vrabel was linebacker's coach, and they got into it a little bit. Nobody wants to fight Mike Vrabel. I mean, that's – Yeah, I doubt he wanted to get physical.

There was also that one Ohio State coach who definitely wanted to fight Tom Herman. Oh, yeah, Ryan. Locked himself in a room or something with his wife. Yeah, there was a bunch of legend stories. I think he has a podcast now. He does that whole thing. He and Tom Herman got into it publicly, right?

Whenever Tom got signed or whatever. Super Positive Thursday. Join us now. Super Positive Thursday. Super Positive Thursday. Join us now. Super positive Thursday. Super positive Thursday. Join us now. A guy who was a coach. Hey, we're talking about the college football coaching world,

and if that song's real or not, where somebody had to sing a Bieber song to land a commit, and they're doing that, like, okay, a lot of respect for that commitment. I could never do it in a million years. Then in the NFL, the amount of hours it takes and what you have to go through to be a coach, me and AJ have talked at length publicly, we could never do it. a million years. Then in the NFL, the amount of hours it takes and what you have to go through to be a coach, me and AJ have talked at length publicly, we could never do it.

Hey, we do not. That is something that's not for us. A man did that. And not only did he do that, he did it well. Hell yeah. Super Bowl champion. Friend of the program. Ladies and gentlemen, making his triumphant return to this show

after a couple year lockdown as a coach in the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen, A.Q. Shipley. A.Q.! Man, great to see you. How we doing, guys? God, it's great to see you, dude. How are you doing?

Well, I'm doing great. I feel like since it's Super Positive positive day it was only fitting that you brought the most negative human on on your show you yeah well that's the only reason i brought you on today because it's super positive day could have done it yesterday yesterday was super negative can't have you getting added into that all right didn't need the storm to continue to brew today's super positive thursday at least you have a little bit of a mindset hey we're gonna're going to be positive over here. Okay, you two.

You two A's. Leaders and legends. Huh? You guys. Let's fucking keep it positive on the screen today. Okay? Let's keep it positive out here. AQ, why'd you rat out B.A. and Tom Brady to Richland?

Wow. Why'd you do that? And how come you didn't tell us? How come you didn't tell us? I am still not happy about that, AQ. When did you start working for Pro Football Talk? Come on. I'm curious.

No, that was a wild – I'm just curious as to how we're just guessing sources these days. I mean, it is a wild world. Wild world. Let's talk about the coaching thing. And obviously, that was not you. The fact you even have to come out and talk about it is specifically because I am forcing you to do it.

And there's a lot of other things to talk about. Let's do it. Would you ever get back into coaching again? One year coaching. Me and AJ, whenever we talk about it, we go, God damn, that is a profession we would never be able to do. You have to be able to. Like, I think those professions are certain humans. Like, you have to be a certain human to do it.

You did it for a year at a very high level in a place with a lot of people that you knew in a team that was good. What are your thoughts on coaching as a whole? And will you ever get back into it? You think, you know, I don't want to sit here and say never, but I mean, at this time in my life, I just, I couldn't justify it. Right. I got two kids. I got a third on the way within the week. So sometime the next week, we got the third one coming, little mini me finally getting a boy. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, pretty excited about that. But, you know, so for me, I mean, I enjoyed –

I think we can all probably agree, right? Like I enjoyed being with the boys. I enjoyed the game planning, the chess game, the Monday through Sunday, right? Like I enjoyed that part of it. It's just for me you know i got i got these three kids under the age of four you know and and for me i just i had a hard time justifying not seeing them monday through friday like i just i couldn't do that at this point in my life and that's not to say that down the road i mean i may not get back into it but

um you know i had a great time i learned a lot from being on that side. I can't thank Bruce Arians and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers staff. You hate that guy. I love that guy. You know that. I mean, the guy employed me for 10 of my 13 years in this business. So, you know, there's not much else to get into besides that except how much respect I have for him.

AQ, can you walk us through a little bit of what your schedule may look like in the middle of the week? Like when do you show up and when do you leave? Say Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Yeah, and that's, I mean, honestly, like I think under Bruce, Bruce, I mean, you guys have heard him speak so much about, you know, family and not missing kids' games and things like that. So I was probably in the best situation that you can be in at this level

because you hear the stories of staying until 12 a.m., 1 a.m., 2 a.m., whatever it is, right, during the week. And, you know, fortunately for me, I was in a position where we weren't really doing that. We got our work in. We got in as close to out as you can say, right? But, I mean, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, it was a grind. You were in there at 5.30 a.m.

and really getting out of there by, you know, when you got your work done, hopefully by like 830, nine o'clock at night. So for me, you know, my two kids are going to bed at seven o'clock. I mean, I'm not seeing them until Saturday morning, you know, when I get to sleep in an hour and see them for 20 minutes. And then, you know, whatever we do before, if it's a home game, you get to see them a little more. But, you know, away games, then you're on a flight again at 1 o'clock, 2 o'clock, and you don't see them again. So I just couldn't justify it. But that was pretty much the schedule for the most part, Monday through Wednesday.

Thursday started to taper back a little bit. Hey, and we have nothing but respect for the men and women that commit their time for the NFL because somebody has to do all that, right? Like somebody has to do all the film studies. Somebody has to check all those things because in every other building that is happening. And that's almost like you're almost competing with a ghost at that point on who can watch more film, I feel like.

I'm just from outside looking in. Am I accurately describing that? Yeah, and listen, I mean, it's – your whole livelihood depends on the game plan really that you come up with and the amount of wins and losses. It's a results-driven business, right? So they want to turn over every stone. They want to – I mean, it gets to the point where, you know,

you're sitting there and you're like, oh, you know, we're getting ready to play Dennis Allen. And, you know, Dennis Allen coached for the Oakland Raiders back in 2011. Let's see what he did back then. Go back and watch the film from 2011, right? So you start almost chasing ghosts, as you said, right? And you start trying to find these things, but you do. You go back and try and do everything you can to not be surprised come Sunday.

But here's the thing that is always the most interesting. AJ, you know, Pat, you know, right? Like you go into every game with a game plan, and you think you've got it all figured out and the second series they throw a blitz that what the fuck we didn't we didn't see that blitz in practice oh shit what do we do now right you got and then you got to sit there and then it becomes the chess game and you gotta you gotta figure it all out again come up with in-game adjustments yeah adjustments are such a i think those I think those are the, you know, that's the game changer between the coaches that are at different levels, is the, who can adjust to the things

that they didn't expect to see, even though they watched film from 2011, and even back to the 1900s, some motherfuckers are watching film. What was it like with Tom, hindsight, looking back, because you played with how many, four number one overall picks, four number one overall picks? Yeah, something like four or five. It might be five. I don't know. Let's do the math.

Six. Something like that. All right. So, Sammy Bradford. Michael Vick. Kyler Murray. Carson Palmer. Andrew Luck.

Okay. So, your ass has been in front of a lot of number one picks. Hell yeah. We appreciate that. A lot of money, too. A lot of money. A lot of money right there behind you. Yeah, right there. Well, nowadays it's normally like three yards, four yards back every single time,

but it used to be just right there on top of you. You know what I mean? Yeah. Tom Brady, what was he like as compared to everybody else? Why is he the GOAT? Do you think you got it kind of pinpointed on why he's the greatest football player of all time after getting watching from a different perspective and playing alongside him listen i got to watch him firsthand you know work you know the year before as a player and then just kind of sit back and watch kind of the way he operated the whole week you know as a coach this past year and

it's it's special to watch. I mean, what he's able to – I mean, he cares about winning so much, right? And so to watch the amount of effort that he puts in, in addition to what he's getting from the coaches, right, you don't see that much from it. It's almost like he has the answers to the test on Saturday, and he's the only quarterback, he's the only player I've ever played with that, you know, really comes Saturday. I mean, he's literally got all the answers to the test. He knows exactly's the only quarterback he's the only player I've ever played with it you know really come Saturday I mean he's literally got all the answers to the test he knows

exactly what he wants to do on Sunday he knows exactly what they're going to do on Sunday and so really it just comes down to him executing and right so like I think and he'll be the first to say that right like as long as I execute the plan going into Sunday like you know nobody's going to beat me like that's that's literally what it comes down to because he literally can see everything before it's happening. And that's all in the preparation from Tuesday to Sunday. He's a human though, yeah? Not an alien?

They say he's such a good teammate. How's that happen? How do you do your greatest of all time and also the coolest guy, everybody says? Yeah, he's a phenomenal teammate. I mean, it's cool to watch because he's literally just one of the guys. He just wants to be one of the guys, right? And, you know, it's funny you say that about all the greats, right,

and bringing out the best in everybody around him. And honestly, like, there wasn't much difference between that team and, you know, the previous two years until he got there, right? So the only real difference was him, and he just brings everybody else's game up, right? So as a receiver, you love playing with him because he puts you in the right position. He puts the ball in the right position.

He knows exactly what play to get into versus what blitz. He sees it coming from a mile away and puts you in the right audible check, whatever it is, right? And, you know, in terms of the offensive line, he gets rid of the ball quick. So, you know, you sit there, you don't have to hold your block forever, so you appreciate the heck out of that. And then, you know, in terms of the offensive line. He gets rid of the ball quick, so, you know, you sit there. You don't have to hold your block forever,

so you appreciate the heck out of that. And then, you know, everybody else. I mean, it's just everybody else around him just loves to play with him. The, you know, Gronk also. Remember, you guys were the Tampa Bay Cougar Gronkineers. Gronk was a big addition. A.B., Leonard Fournette. Huge.

Yeah, well, Leonard Fournette. Huge addition. Yeah, huge addition. And A.B. was also a huge addition. Talk about Gronk. He's a fascinating fellow, isn't he? He's like Clydesdale who literally has the nimbility of a ninja. I say that often about him because he has toilet seats for hands.

He seems to be bigger than everybody, stronger than everybody, having more fun than everybody, and he's still faster than everybody and catches fucking everything. He's like the perfect tight end. Who knows if he's going to play next year or not. I guess it's actually 50-50. But that dude is just a game changer. He's a fucking different guy.

Western Pennsylvania grad. I mean, he's special. Shout out 4-1-2. I guess that's your little day two days ago. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out.

Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out.

Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Yeah, he's phenomenal, though. I mean, Gronk, I mean, he can run.

He's so big. He can block. He's the best blocking tight end I've ever seen, right? And you just watch him one-on-one with him. Never gets talked about. Never gets talked about that. No, and it's incredible. You should have watched some of the playoff games.

Here we won the Super Bowl and just, you know, you get down to the one or two-yard line. And the hardest matchup, AJ, you know. I mean, it's those tight end, D end matchups when you're playing four or three teams and you never had to worry about it with him. And he just, I mean, you never had to help him. You never had to send a tackle out to help him. He just one-on-one with the D end and taking him into the end zone. I mean, it was impressive as heck to watch. He can run. And Pat, you and I spoke plenty of times. I don't know if it was ever on the show or just off the show, but I mean, just the way he practices, it's unbelievable. I mean, it's,

it's, you know, you, you see why him and Tom have had so much success because they put everything into practice throughout the week to be ready for the games. I mean, they finish, they finish every drill, they catch and run after, you know, sometimes you see a receiver, a tight end, whatever, catch the ball and just kind of jog after the catch and run after, you know, sometimes you see a receiver, a tight end, whatever, catch the ball and just kind of jog after the thing and practice. And, okay, cool, let's just get the Sunday. I mean, every single time he catches the ball, it's boom, turn up field, get 10, right, and finish in the end zone, whatever it is, right?

And he's just running everything full speed. He's trying to block everything. Everything he does is full speed. And it's no question as to why he's had so much success. Jeez. AQ, were you kicking yourself that you weren't able to get down there and try to maybe hold up AB in New York when he had his little incident? You know, it's such an unfortunate thing. He was such a good player.

He worked harder than almost anybody i've ever seen like honestly like he was super hard right practice is super hard i mean he's and and you know i mean you know like in an nfl practice right the offense goes while the offense goes the defense is off while the defense goes the offense is off he never took a period off like if the offense was off you know typically you're catching your breath waiting for the next period of practice he's grabbing tom going and running routes on the end zone. He's grabbing Tom, working on hots and sites, whatever it is, right? And he's always, or he's over at the jugs machine catching another 50 balls between the next, I mean, so he worked so hard. You can never say a

bad word about that. I think you've probably heard plenty of people say that, you know, you kind of wish that it didn't escalate as quickly as it did. And I think I would echo that statement. But it is what it is. It happened the way it is. And it's unfortunate. Hopefully he gets another shot. Dude, if he was super injured in that, he had a guy on skates for 20 yards in that first half. He's unbelievable.

I'm excited to see who signs him because that's going to be a big take. I guess Floyd Mayweather said, hey, if you sign A.B. and he messes up or whatever, I'll give you $20 million, he said, I believe. That was on the Internet earlier today because it is one of those things where he changes the team. He changes it. Like defenses are fucked whenever him and Gronk are on the field at the same time, let alone Mike Evans and Chris Godwin out there.

That team was stacked. That had to be a blast playing it for that. It's the most talented team I've ever been a part of. And, you know, it's funny. You mentioned Chris Godwin almost as an afterthought. The guy was maybe the most important guy on that offense. I mean, if you really break down film and study the film and watch Chris Godwin, I'm telling you, you this dude he did everything

for that thing i mean he's the guy that's motioning in and digging out the safety in the run game he's you know cutting off the backside pursuit and he's all and you know he's just doing he does everything he's making the catches in traffic across the middle he's going he's running the deep routes he's he's literally running the reverses you know he's running the quick screens and getting up the middle and you know taking the hits routes. He's literally running the reverses. He's running the quick screens and getting up the middle and taking the hits and not worrying about it. He does so much for that team. I hope he comes back from that injury and is able to do exactly

what he was doing. I hope so, too. I was hoping he would come to the Colts. He got tagged, right? No, no. Then signed an extension. Yeah, for years. He's going to be down there for a couple years. I remember you talking about how great he was, how awesome he is. You take a look at Penn State, though, which we're learning more and more about. Oh, Jesus Christ.

We're learning more and more about AQ. Oh, my God. Oh, my. Got to look at his comebacks. Yeah, here we go. Let's talk about stories from 1978. Don't matter. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

We're just saying, listen, we don't want to bury you for it. We're not saying you because of him. No. We're just saying there's a couple stories coming out. Low alarm. Nebraska. We are. What else you got?

What other questions? Penn State. We are. What's this all about? This is YouTube. You fuck. OH, dude. OH.

Oh, I love it. Good job, man. This is you two. You fuck. OH, dude. OH. Oh, I love it. Good job, man. This is the worst. Come on. You guys. These guys hate their schools. Part of the activity Thursday. Son of a bitch.

You guys hate your schools. What? Because you haven't won a national championship? We'll hate right to you. We got JT Daniels at West Virginia. We're about to win the whole fucking thing. Neil Brown, number eight ranked coach under the age of 45. Wow.

Wow. PJ Flex 6, Lincoln Riley 1. That's by CBS Sports. Yens, boys, going the fuck to irrelevancy. Now the West Virginia's about to get after it, boys.

Hate to break it to you. Hey, I hear your hype crowd behind you cheering on West Virginia as if they all fucking went to West Virginia. Well, we're just positive on Thursday. Let's go. Asshole. I'm here. your hype crowd behind you cheering on West Virginia as if they all fucking went to West Virginia. Well, we're just... Positivity Thursday.

Asshole. I actually did, yeah. Nick dropped out after one semester. That is a very standard tale in West Virginia's history because a lot of people get there and lose their minds and go, I can't do this for four years. West Virginia, quite an academia. The Big Ten, though.

Do you two ever play each other? I forget if we've had this conversation or not though Do you two ever play each other? I forget if we've had this conversation or not Did you two ever play each other? And that's two very large craniums Yeah We had 2005 at Penn State You beat us Big win for the old Nittany Lions

How'd it go? Did you and AJ It's a big whiteout You guys had a hell of a team Yeah we had a good team. Tom Bahaly with the big sack fumbled to end the game. Tomba. He's a pretty good player.

Good player. Do you think Penn State will ever win again or no? You know, it's so I mean, listen, at the end of the day, right? College is so different than when we went to school. Dude, I want to stop you right there.

A couple of stories just came out. Tom Herman's singing to a guy to get him to school. That might have been four years ago, 900% sure. And we just saw a ranking thing. Stinky 1730213 tweeted to an account that had a rating of a college recruit. And his NIL number was like projected worth $35,000. Like that's becoming a new scouting, like how much somebody will cost probably to get them to your school. Like it is vastly different nowadays. If that's what you were getting to. I'm getting

to everything, right? I mean, recruiting is different with social media, right? Then you got this NIL stuff. The transfer portal is a fucking nightmare it's a fucking nightmare in my opinion like listen at the end of the day like you choose it like whatever happened to like okay like i don't win the starting position as a freshman like hey go work a little fucking harder and go try and win the job the next year or do it's like oh i didn't get the job where can i go next like i i hate what college has become with this transfer portal, with buying, you know, with the $6 million to get this quarterback to your school. I don't even understand how that works.

And then, you know, as a college coach, it's an absolute nightmare because then you've got to sit on Twitter all day long because if you don't, you're going to lose a recruit, period, because they just want to be, you know. So that's a no? You guys are never going to win again? Well, the problem is, right, and so, you know so that's a no you guys are never going to win again well the problem is right and so you know you got alabama and clemson and georgia right and they've been at the top and they're going to just keep continuing to get where they're going to what they're going to get so you know at the end of the day it's just going to come down to getting a couple good recruiting

classes in a row and hoping to hoping to keep them there right at the end of the day you got to keep your guys there with this transfer form. That's probably harder than getting the guys at this point. You love college football, though, right? If I do recall, you're a big fan of the college football world. Yeah, I do. I mean, I think there's, you know, I think the NFL is very corporate, right? You've got businesses that are buying suites.

You know, I think, you know, we all played in college. Like, the atmospheres are ridiculous in college compared to the NFL. Seattle, Pittsburgh, maybe a few of Baltimore has got some good ones. There are some good atmospheres in the NFL, but there's not 32 great atmospheres. Almost every atmosphere you play in in college football is incredible. You've got the alumni that you're never wavering from that. So, yeah, I enjoy the heck out of college football. Okay.

Well, I hope Penn State's able to win, man, because it feels like West Virginia's an up arrow in Ohio State, in Penn State, all the way down. Yikes. It'll be a tough call one year from now whenever JT Daniels, our new quarterback, fucking dominates, dude. Going to the Heisman, JT Daniels. He's going to be the guy. Next question. Daniels, our new quarterback, fucking dominates, dude. Going to the Heisman, JT. Daniels. He's going to be the guy. Next question. Go ahead, Tom.

AQ, how long after Tom retired did he start trying to pluck people and coaches and stuff like that from a Tampa organization to go to Miami Dolphins? Jesus. Yeah, I don't know the answer to that what i do know is within uh within a week of after the season i knew that coaching was not in my future so i got back to arizona and i started to look at this mountain and look at my backyard and drop my daughter off at school and think man this is uh this isn't a bad way to

live right now yeah it's where I'm at did you there so there was no thought like if Tom wasn't gonna retire or anything like that I'll come back and one more for you one more for Tom Brady Or that Mountain View I'm as big of a fan of Tom Brady And kind of what they're doing down there With that organization trying to kind of go all in And it's just Not for me right now

Go ahead Ty I'm assuming since you knew you were done That you haven't watched any film on any of these college guys But Tyler Linderbaum Center out of Iowa, early in the draft process, he was very hot to go in maybe the top 10, but I saw last night they were saying that he can only play center in the NFL because he has short arms, really short arms.

I know Pat always talks about that's kind of very similar body type view. Is that just complete bullshit from people who don't know what they're talking about, or would teams really be like, oh this because you were very versatile obviously like is it possible that this guy can only play center and that's why teams are kind of scared of him yeah sure is it possible yeah but like at the end of the day like who gives a shit if you're fucking drafting a center to play center let them play fucking center right like um i don't know it's a pretty novel idea. I think they overthink this scouting process so much.

It's funny. They sit here and say he had short arms. He had an inch and a half longer fucking arms than I did. I played 12 years. I might as well have not even had fucking arms, right? Yeah, T-Rex over here. But, I mean, it's so funny to me because, listen, inside, like I get needing length at tackle, but inside it's a bar fight, right?

You're just trying to get your hands on as fast as possible. The center has the advantage because he knows the snap count. He's usually jumping the snap by a tick, right? And, boom, he gets his hands on you. It's over. This kid is a stud. I've watched him play. I've been a big fan of what Iowa does offensive line.

Tristan Wirfs is one of my favorite players in the NFL. He's an absolute animal, an absolute freak. You look across the board and you take Iowa, you take Notre Dame, you know damn well you're getting a guy that's ready to come into the NFL and play. So I think it's an obvious over over scouting reach and the kid's gonna come in he's probably gonna play at a very high level and he's probably guess what he's gonna play center holy hey what's the name of that award college uh the remington trophy he won that i think right yes did you look at you looking out for each other looking out for

each other big ten short arm centers winning awards and dominate and then people have to talk shit all of a sudden. It was fascinating because I feel like it went to your advantage a couple different times, honestly. Listen, I enjoyed having, like, I mean, like, obviously what I'd like to have had 34, 35-inch arms and Benz 6.5, yeah, I probably would have made fucking $50 million more. That worldview would have been a little nicer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would have been a little closer to the mountain. But, you know, it never hindered me, right? I mean, I played against nose guards that, I mean, Linval Joseph has the longest arms I've ever seen, right? I played against him, and I never sat there and felt like, I can't get my arms in this guy. Where is he, right? Like, I'm still able to get my hands on him.

Now, was he able to bench press me off? Yeah, because he's really good at football. But it never hindered me. I mean, I think it's such, like I said, it's such an over-scout. It's just like, you know, I watch your show all the time, and I see the thing about Kenny Pickett's hands. It's like, come on. What are we doing?

Hey, listen. He's wearing gloves. He's wearing gloves already, this guy. Can't throw the ball. You had to play against Aaron Donald a lot in your time in Arizona. Pittsburgh guy, obviously from Penn Hills. Why is he so different than everybody else? I think you've answered it, but after now you're coaching for a year and you're looking at it through a different lens,

why is Aaron Donald Aaron Donald, do you think? And did you shit your pants the night before? Yeah. That was a shit your pants type situation hey listen i'm gonna tell you this if you if you had my wife on this show she would tell you what the saturday before playing aaron donald was like it was i mean if you walked in the room talk about positive it was like get the fuck out of the room i need to sit here and just focus right now.

I need to figure out how to stop this freakazoid for the next 60 minutes tomorrow. You sit there and you have these plans and everybody has these plans to go against and it's like every O-line coach is like, get your hands on him, get your hands on him. Okay, well, easier said than done, right? Let's go put our hands on him and boom, and now he's by you in a quarter of a second it's a sack fumble in the fourth quarter of the super bowl right like he's just so good so quick so athletic um he's a dn playing inside um except the fact that he's only six one so he's got the natural leverage right so you sit there and think you can sit on the bull rush because he's light.

Well, he's 6'1". He gets underneath you. He's strong as an ox. He benches 500 pounds. He plays with knives, right? Like he's kind of got everything going for him. But he's one of the few people, right? Like you watch defensive linemen, if you really break down defensive linemen

when they do their little kind of move to work an edge, they always kind of stop their feet and then get going again. He's the only guy I've ever seen that when he starts working edges, his feet are still moving forward. So it's a completely different animal when you watch him. And so you sit there and, okay, he gets your hands. And now if the guy's feet are stopped and it's a normal guy, you can still kind of recover, get back,

and get your hands on him. Well, he's still moving forward. So, like, unless you're moving at the same speed he is, and, oh, by the way, you're working backwards as an offensive lineman while he's working forward. So, it's a nightmare. It's a nightmare matchup. He's a problem.

Hey, you mentioned a person, Worfs, coming in. He stepped in day one and looked like he was – he'd been there 10 years. Like, what set that dude apart? And I know physically, like, he's the guy one and looked like he'd been there 10 years. What set that dude apart? And I know physically, he's the guy that was jumping out of the pool, I believe. I think that was him. He's super athletic. What set him apart?

Super positive. Yeah, so he's, again, you mentioned it, right? He's got some freakiness. There's some things about him you just can't teach, right? You can't teach being 6'6", 6'7", 350, jumping out of a pool and running a 4.940. You can't teach right you can't teach being 6'6 6'7 350 jumping out of a pool and running a 4 9 40 like you can't teach that right so he's physically gifted beyond belief but at the end of the day his his core values and his core technique and what he was taught taught at iowa put him in a position to come in and succeed right so then he comes in and he's already got the technique thing well now he now he's he steps right in and he's got good technique but he's already got the technique thing well now he now he's he steps right in and he's got

good technique but he's also got the size size he's got the speed and then it was just like okay you saw from like the second week of training camp like this kid's got great technique he stays square he gets his hands on people he's not afraid he can sit on a bull rush he can do kind of all the things and he's a house in the run game right so then you know you watch him week one and it's like oh this kid's got something you watch him week six you're like oh shit he's a house in the run game, right? So then, you know, you watch him week one, and it's like, oh, this kid's got something. You watch him week six, you're like, oh, shit, he's still getting better. You watch him week 14, going into the playoffs, you're like, holy shit, how is this kid still getting better?

And then, you know, he just keeps getting better and better and better. And then he never shied away, right? Like, I mean, you would think, like, his very first game, he's going against Cam Jordan. I think we played New Orleans week one the year before. So he's got Cam Jordan week one, and he's just like, oh, here we go. Just another day at the office. Man, those Kirk's dogs.

Hell yeah. It's Iowa. What do you keep saying if they're out of Iowa? They're good. Is it a great coach over there or is it just kind of widely known? Yeah, I mean, I think Kirk's an O-line guy, right? Yeah. That's kind of his – that's his M.O.

Kirk Ferentz, Pittsburgh guy, in case you guys didn't know that. Shout out Pittsburgh again. Oh, shout out. guys didn't know that. Shout out, Pittsburgh, again. Oh, shout out. I didn't know that. Upper Sinclair. Oh, good money coming in. He was naturally drawn to those colors in Iowa. Yeah.

Hey, congrats to Kirk's dogs. Yeah. Let's go. Listen to that. Just scout the Iowa guys. They got good technique. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Albie, you were with Tampa when they actually went to New England

for Brady's return. Were you in the locker room when Tom walked in there and him and Brady had that little 20-minute exchange? And also, how much does Tom Brady hate Bruce Arians? Keep going. He does not. He does not. He does not.

I refuse to keep answering this. I was not a part of this. Okay. No, I was not in there for that little locker room thing. But where I was, and, you know, I kind of always look forward to it, you know, just the whole whenever Tom would run on the field. I mean, I think we all think that's cool when he does the whole run down, let's fucking go thing, right?

Like, I think that's awesome, right? That's cool. That's cool. You see it in every stadium, and I was looking forward to that one, right? So I'm out there early, and, you know, it was one of the coolest things watching the New England support and reaction to him come out. What I thought was really cool in return, too,

and then Mack comes out and Hoyer when they come out for New England, and they kind of gave almost a louder. So they gave the respect to Tom, but then still kind of backed their boys when they came back. It was pretty cool to watch. They were all on the same page, too. Like, hey, we support, but not. This isn't a game here.

And when they came out on offense, they started booing him again. Brady. Which is what they did to Vinny Terry as well. I mean, that happened to Vinny. Pretty awesome. Yeah. Nice. AQ, we appreciate you, brother.

You're the best, man. Enjoy this retirement life, I guess. It's been a blast. It's been far too long. I just felt like, I know we talked about it, and there was plenty of times for me to come on. I felt like I would have said something to get me fired sometime in the last year and a half.

I felt like this was a good move, but now I'm retired. I can say whatever I want. I can bet on Fandle. It's a good time. It's a good time, by the way, isn't it? I mean, hey, guys thinking about retirement, if you're in a state where their sports gambling is legal,

it is a blast. The golf is awesome. Okay, family time is awesome. The weather is awesome. Free time. Also, getting to gamble is awesome. It is a good time. Not a bad deal.

Don't be crazy, obviously. AQ, we can't wait to chat with you soon, brother. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Bowl champion, AQ Shipley. Yeah, AQ! Welcome to PMS After Hours. I think I got it in there. Oh, yeah. So we're giving away $25,000 just because it is the first time we are celebrating this super positive Thursday.

The super positive holiday might drop on a Wednesday sometime. Oh, I thought it was just every April 15th or 14th. No, no, it is not date-oriented. Once a week at least since you guys are so negative all the time. Well, I was... All right, go. Yeah. all the time well I was real real mighty of you you know but you you should you should take some of the credit dump because you know behind the scenes is

where all the magic takes you know you go to a restaurant the people you don't see that are cooking the meal are the people that really are the ones that deserve the tips and everything. Not that everybody else doesn't, but the people you don't see, the heroes behind the scenes at these things. And in this particular restaurant, this toxic, negative restaurant, a lot of the meals are being at least seasoned by a sous chef. Or maybe even cooked all together by a sous chef. Oh, yeah. Or maybe even cooked all together. Sure. By old Chef Gumpy in the back.

That's right. Hell, yeah. I think he's main cook. That man is a master chef. Are you kidding me? Gordon Ramsay-esque. Yeah, he's a James Beard. It is unfucking believable.

I will walk into something. Oh, isn't it nice that something happened? Oh, my God. You don't say. You don't say. I mean, into something. Oh, isn't it nice that. Something happened. I'm like, oh my God. You don't say. You don't say. I mean, it is. So that's why Super Positive Day is probably going to happen again.

But I don't want it to be every week, Gump, like you're predicting. Okay. Maybe dial it back a little bit, Chef. Jesus. In June. It's actually impressive where Gumpy's brain will go to sometimes. Yes. Like I can't believe it sometimes. You get a a startled pop, not because of what he said,

but because how did you even – How? How did that even become – It's impressive. But then Gump looks at you. He presents this theory, and then he looks at you like you're – Come on, Pop. What do you mean?

Think about it. What do you mean? What was that? What was that? What did you say? What do you mean? 15 years of pain inhalation, my friends. Well, then also, if he really likes it,

oh! Sell it on the other end. It is magical. Anyways, so congratulations, Gumpy. And congratulations, Nick. And congratulations, Toxic Table as a whole, Ty and Boston Connor. No way.

And congratulations to you. Thank you. On creating a holiday that we will use whenever it feels as if we're getting a little bit too negative. Okay. I love it. We're supposed to bring positivity to people. You remember that? Yeah.

That's the mindset. Mental vacations. Let's take them back to a nice positive vacation. Also, if you're super negative, though, and then people are only a little negative, they're being positive all of a sudden. Two negatives. See that?

Listen, when you reach rock bottom, the only way you can go is up, is what you're saying? Yeah, exactly. We're just lowering the bar. Not if you have a drill attached to your ass and drill through rock bottom. You can have a drill attached to your ass? Yeah, then you drill through rock bottom.

Oh, and recreate it. How do you pull the trigger? Cheeks. You do. Use your gooch. You go. All right. We're done here.

Super positive Thursday. How do you attach it to your bottom? See, it's already becoming a problem. This is already becoming a problem. I'm done with it. These are the questions people have. I'm sorry. Is that a drill, though?

Just let people know if you haven't yet. Oh, fuck's sake. Fun little reminder. Taxes are due on Monday. Get your taxes done. All right. Fun reminder. Your money's due to the government. There'm sorry. Just let people know if you haven't yet. Fun little reminder. Taxes are due on Monday. Get your taxes done. Fun reminder. Your money's due to the government. Fun reminder. Maybe a refund coming.

Probably not though because the government's government. They're good. Once they gobble it up, like hungry, hungry hippos, once they get the money, it's going to be hard to get it back. Oh, yeah. You've got to really work for it,

just like the commanders in our security deposit. Oh! Hey, that's going to get quieted, huh? Yeah. We're not going to hear about that again. I don't know. A lot of billionaires involved. Let's assume that that's going to disappear.

If nothing happens before the draft, it's dead. Rap did say Congress moves pretty, pretty slow, so they might drag this thing out. Yeah, but that might be an excuse for why we don't hear about it. And then we forget about it like a year from now. Yeah. You'll probably hear something like tomorrow at 6 o'clock. Friday news, though.

Yeah, Friday. Actually, Friday at 3.30. What time are we going live tomorrow? Are we doing 11 to 2? That's okay. Oh, yeah, because you're up at 12 to 3. Like at Worcester? Yeah.

I don't know. We got to figure that out 3. Fucking Worcester. Yeah. I don't know. We got to figure that out. We should probably announce that. Yeah. Okay. Let's announce that. Vlog. How far is that?

Is it a long flight up there? You're in Western Mass, so it's probably like two. Two and a half, right? Yeah. In a jet, though, it's probably two. It's farther than New York. Bro, there's some flights that just sneakily take forever. Yes.

Like Miami is fucking way down there. Indiana is a pretty good spot. It is. You know, then there's some flights I'll get like the, what's it called, Manifest or something like that. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's going to take you fucking two hours and 25 minutes. I'm like, to get to New York? What the fuck happened?

Why aren't we flying there every single week? We were, there's a long ass flight. I don't know if two, two and a half is long though. Well, the issue is everything's with, uh,

everything's dodging UFOs. Now, well, everything is also getting into the airports too. There's big issues like taking off. We've been chilling a lot on takeoff waiting for, uh, planes to clear.

I don't know where you're landing. So, Indianapolis to Miami is 1,200 miles. Okay. Indianapolis to Worcester is 911 miles. Okay, so three quarters. 300 less miles. Okay, let's go. So, it'll be about two hours.

But where are you landing? I have no idea. Worcester. They got an airport over there? Probably. It's Worcester? I have no idea. Worcester. They got an airport over there? Probably. It's Worcester. I don't know. Worcester's an absolute dump.

Is it really? What if he was flying into Dorchester? Have we been to Worcester? Have I been to Worcester? You would have known. I think. I think we've been to Worcester. Connor, what are the really nice areas then?

I mean, Western Mass is just an absolute wasteland. Everything that's nice is on the east coast or middle of the state. It's super positive Thursday. It is super positive Thursday, but I'm just telling you, remember when we pulled up that Rust Belt photo? The only part of Massachusetts that wasn't in the revitalized Rust Belt was Western Mass. There is a

Worcester Regional Airport. There you go. Sweet. Well, then there's a whole conversation, how long are the runways? Oh, yeah. I've learned too much about that. Pod holes in those runways. Well, I there's a whole conversation, how long are the runways? Oh, yeah. Geez. I've learned too much about that. Pod holes in those runways. Well, I don't know about the pod holes, but I do know if the pilot stays straight on takeoff, that'd be great. Jesus Christ. Yeah, tease and peace to that guy because he died, unfortunately.

We don't know if that's true. We don't, but I'm pretty sure he's dead. Pretty positive you would say tease and peace. I wonder if he's retired from flying after that flight. Like, all right, this isn't for me. What a short career. Probably 40 mile an hour winds, man. Yeah.

What's that, pal? It's probably like 40 mile an hour winds. Probably a lot faster than that, actually. No, it's been a long time. I'm taking off. I've never been that scared in my entire life. Anyways, probably 11 to 2 tomorrow. There's the announcement.

Here we go Hashtag PMS super positive Get in on the $25,000 We're giving away Probably 25 winners Congrats to all the winners That'll be Those will be announced

On winner Wednesday Oh yeah Which will be next Wednesday Which will be followed By another positive day Not super positive day Okay But just positive day

Because that's what we're Going to do from now on After this particular holiday Ain't that right? Hell yeah Perfect Let's go PJ Fleck Let's row the boat Wow Let's go to VCon let's

go to this thing oh yeah let's have a good time out here ain't that right AJ yeah I mean I'm glad you guys are getting on board with this positivity thing it's taking me two years now to get you here what was your favorite positive thing of the week my favorite positive thing of the week It's not over yet That is pretty much That is my favorite positive Yeah That there's time for more positives Hell yeah

And you guys are gonna prove that Tomorrow and Feel good day We're gonna give the most Feel good positive day Of all time Friday I can't fucking wait History of the world

11 to 2 tomorrow Hell yeah I thought the XFL logo was awesome. Okay, so we'll get to that tomorrow. Whoa. It was. Positive Thursday, Pat. It's a feel-good Friday.

We'll get back tomorrow. I haven't even seen it. I need to see it. Oh, it's so cool. A lot of conversation about it. Oh, you've seen another company. All right, let's go. All right.

Oh, man. Shout-out Dewey and Danny Garcia. Yeah, shout-out XFL, dude. Shout-out Dewey and Danny Garcia Shout out XFL dude Shout out Dewey and Danny That's the Brock's ex-wife right that he's business partners with That's right He's cool with her new husband too I guess Yeah and if you watch Young Rock

You really get to see the beginning of it all She was really I'm waiting to binge till it's all cause I can't just watch one episode Me too Alright we're out of here Hammerdown begins in about 15 minutes. YouTube.com forward slash hammer. They'll be giving out winners.

The boys betting on baseball, betting on hockey, betting on footy, I believe. Let's go. Let's have a day. Let's win today. Big thanks to AQ Shipley stopping by for the first time. Long time. Darius Butler stopping by. We're going to see a lot of him in the fall. I'm excited for that. We are just 14 days away from the draft spectacular Be a Friend, Tell a Friend.

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