The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 648 - Shams Charania, Ian Rapoport, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 22, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about Kyler Murray and the Cardinals apparently putting their swords down and settling on him being the Quarterback in Arizona for years to come, the video from Deebo Samuel's stepmom that allegedly has audio of Deebo and AJ Brown discussing their contract situations, and what some of the latest rumors surrounding the NFL Draft are, and much more. Joining the progrum to break news about Celtics Center Robert Williams III returning for this series at some point, if Golden State are the favorites to win the whole thing, and when we can expect to see some of these injured players returning is NBA Insider for The Athletic and Stadium, Shams Charania (53:21-1:09:41). Later, NFL Senior Insider and friend of the progrum, Ian Rapoport joins Pat and AJ Hawk to discuss the Deebo Samuel situation, when we can expect Kyler Murray and the Cardinals to get a deal done, and what the latest rumors are on the draft and which teams might be in play for trading for one of these receivers looking to get a new contract (1:28:42-1:49:39). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Feel Good Friday, April 22nd, 2022. This sports show shall begin right now. Can't thank you enough for joining us here at youtube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show. It is a glorious Feel Good Friday. And there is a lot to talk about. Speaking of, let's go to the toilet seat, boys. Hell yeah. I don't want to call you guys out. As far as my toe-toe.

No, no, not yet. We got those bills coming up. The Toxic Table at Ty Schmidt. You look fantastic. That RKBro420 shirt is hysterical. Absolutely nasty.

I don't have any shirts to wear with my Ninja Turtles hat and then boom, you know, we get the RKBro420 shirts. I got a new outfit. I love this.

You look fantastic. You look amazing. It's a good start for a Feel Good Friday for you. It is. Absolutely. I got a new outfit. I love this. You look fantastic. You look amazing. It's a good start for a Feel Good Friday for you. It is. Absolutely. Let's talk about you. Terrible Feel Good Friday,

I'd assume. The Boston Bruins are officially dead. The Pittsburgh Penguins, which I pronounced dead just yesterday and said that they have a goalie that doesn't know

how to play goalie just yesterday. I take back everything I said. Casey DeSmith, the new goaltender for the Pittsburgh Penguins, maybe the greatest hockey player to ever play hockey. Maybe the greatest to ever strap him up. Maybe the greatest to ever wear a face mask.

This dude stood on his head, shut out the Boston fucking Bruins. And not only that, at Boston Corner, you have continued your ice-cold streak of gambling. You have not been a champion gambler at all. I have rode alongside you for a long time into the depths of bankruptcy on my FanDuel account. Last night, I couldn't have been more sure of something. Even as the words came out of my mouth of, this guy doesn't even know how to play goalie.

I don't even know this guy's name. He fucking stinks at hockey. You were like, Boston Bruins, hammer him, a good gambler. You've been cold for three weeks straight, and that cold streak continues. The Bruins stink. The Pens blew them out. Plus 125, three-way or whatever I had going there. I made a couple thousand last night.

That's a good gumbler. Bruins are dead. You stink. Sorry about it. Well, you know, it is what it is. As my good friend Roman Reigns would say, we the ones that suck now because the Bruins right now are not. Roman Reigns would never say that, by the way.

But he says, we the ones. And we the ones, period, that suck right because the Bruins right now are not. Robin Reitz would never say that. But he says we the ones. And we the ones, period, that suck right now, unfortunately. How was I supposed to know that Craig live free or die DeSmith was from fucking New Hampshire? Casey, you pig. Casey DeSmith, whatever the hell his name is. Well, Casey live free or die. Yeah, Mr. Live free and die.

If I knew that he was from New hampshire i would have known oh this guy's gonna have our number he's been watching bruins hockey his entire life that's why he's such a good goalie because he watched tim thomas and tuka rath play for so goddamn long so obviously you know i digress he's a very good hockey player the bruins are not dead just yet but where the fuck is pasta i mean we need pasta He's still in the water boiling. Yeah. Still boiling in the water. That's the problem.

Yeah, the guy stinks. Whoa, you know he does. I used to say I wanted pasta on the pens. I don't need any pasta because I got the goddamn Dismith. Oh, yeah. That won't show up when it counts. Hey, you're damn right. Sidney Crosby, that's the best pasta of all time.

Oh, my God. He's like rigatoni, me spaghetti, me everything. That's Sidney Crosby. Sidney Linguini sucks compared to pasta. Oh, well, we won like 7-0 last night. That turned digits here. Nick Morata hosted that talk to talk alongside Gumpy and Ruppert. Nick, how come this guy stunk at goalie for all that time,

and then now he's the starter, he's the guy? Is that just a different mindset, you think? And is this what we should expect out of this guy before Louis Domingue pops in? It's a much different mindset, Pat. It's like going from being a backup quarterback to a starting cuby as the backup your job is to make sure that the starter has everything they need that they're well taken care of that they get the time off and you come in and you're expected to play as well as them even though you may not be as talented i am the captain now though it's casey but now it's

his ship with tristan jari out with a broken bone in his foot. So Casey's going to have to carry the load and he showed yesterday that hey. And Louis Domingue is the one that's going to be making sure Casey DeSmith's water

is cold. Coffee's warm. Why? Sorry Louis. Casey DeSmith, Tom Brady. Well that's what I'm thinking.

Like Drew Bledsoe was just the entire situation we had with Jari there and we don't know how he hurt his foot. We hope he's okay obviously but right now

we got a hot goalie right now. Let's go ahead and let him continue to play until we win. Third shutout of the season for Casey. How is this guy not in the fucking net for the Bruins then? Because the other games where he didn't get a shutout, like, a lot different outcomes. Did he play against the Rangers? Was he the goalie when you guys played the Rangers every time?

No, actually. Who was that, Tristan? Yeah. Rangers might be getting a little nervous right about now. we got better bullshit that's from new hampshire you're lucky you got a new hampshire boy no you hate new hampshire you hate connecticut do anything you like is massachusetts live free or die is the best slogan of all time that's a casey de smith does whenever he's in the goddamn goal he's free back there he said you know what i'm blocked as fuck or i'm gonna die and that's because he is from new hampshire so shout out to new hampshire

for creating casey to smith to be a fucking stud in the net because we're about to win the stand the cup championship with it we'll see but with that follow-up hockey's not dead we can say it is not a sport that is very much alive um the nfl is always cooking It appears as if the situation that began with Eric Burkhardt tweeting out a week before the combine that the Arizona Cardinals better fucking pay Kyler or we ain't playing football. Publicly putting it out there,

putting the pressure on the Arizona Cardinals from a media fan perspective. Laid out in this entire letter about how much better the Arizona Cardinals have gotten since Kyler Murray was their quarterback. And Kyler Murray was sitting around looking at everybody else getting paid, wondering, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There ain't no organizational program that's had a bigger turnaround since quarterbacks

been added, except for me. In the NFC West, which was absolutely packed and loaded, we ended up winning that thing, going to the goddamn playoffs. Just a few years back, we had Josh Rosen playing playing quarterback i don't know if you remember that now granted cliff kingsbury deserves some credit here because he's become a much better head coach and that entire culture has changed steve kime the gm who has gotten added pieces jj watt deandre hopkins they lose chandler jones but they still got buda banker and a couple other boys aj green coming in there james connor coming in there and the owner is spending money. So I assume there's a lot of responsibility to go around

on why they've had success. But the quarterback, the most important position, it made sense for him to want business to change for himself on the rookie contract. But we did not expect it to be publicly in a diatribe written by his agent that basically said, pay him or we're not tweeting. We're not doing anything. Kyler's going to end up going to FaZe Clan.

He's going to maybe play some baseball. He's going to do that entire thing. Then the combine comes. Steve Kime, Cliff Kingsbury both have to answer questions. We actually asked Cliff Kingsbury right here about Kyler. It'll all get figured out business the way business. They were basically classifying Eric Burkhardt's letter publicly. Oh, that's just a way to do business.

Not that it's ever happened before really in the NFL, but they were just describing it as that they're passing it off. So then Kyler obviously took all the Cardinals stuff off his Instagram. Holy shit, it's about to go down. It's baby Buddha over there. The dude who's an absolute sensation, a quarterback, rock star,

athlete, superstar on the internet. Kyler Murray about to become traded from the Arizona Cardinals. Then the Arizona Cardinals stuff started filtering back into the Instagram of Kyler Murray. Then there started to be more conversations and it seemed to kind of die off a little bit. Tom Pelissero brought it back up, said, hey, remember the timeline was to get a new deal before draft day. We're like, oh shit. So is Kyler and Eric Burkhardt still pushing for a contract

because they've seen all the money around them? Now, after Patrick Peterson and Chase Edmonds did a podcast, All Things Covered, alongside BMAC, CBS Sports Podcast, and Chase Edmonds and Patrick Peterson talked about the culture of the Arizona Cardinals and the type of guy that Kyler is, knowing that it would come to a head, there's a new ownership in time. Kyler actually answered that and said, hey, I want to win a Super Bowl in Arizona.

Sign sealed, delivered. I want to win Super Bowls with the Cardinals. Arizona is home. Then that even got a follow-up because Ian Rappaport tweeted that when Steve Kine was asked whether or not there was any chance of Kyler Murray getting traded,

especially because this has been the most insane offseason of all time, Steve Kine said, zero chance. Kyler Murray responded, 100. Whoa. So all is good again. It feels like in the fifth largest city in America, one of the most gorgeous places on earth, Phoenix, Arizona, with their star quarterback. He was working out with J.J. Watt.

He's putting out positive tweets. He's got photos back on his Instagram. And we don't know if a deal is coming or if a deal is near, but we do know that it feels like they have a lot better relationships going on in the desert right now. And I think we're all very thankful for it because he's electrifying out there. Yeah, I would assume he just, I mean, he has all the leverage, right? Realistically, I think he does.

I mean, like he, we talked about how he might be one of those guys who, if they didn't come to agreement, he'd just be like, hey, I'm good. I have a bunch of other options. I'm not going to play next year. And they know, like, their window is kind of now. They're spending all this money bringing in all these vets, like good established vets. They kind of need to pay him.

They can't get rid of him. I don't know when. Maybe he backed off on getting something done before the draft, but when I saw this, I was like, oh, okay, he's going to sign a massive deal here soon. 100, they're already in a conversation because they've talked about him being in the future plans of the Cardinals. He's talked about

his future, obviously, as a Cardinal. So they're going to get a deal done. Good for Kyler. Yeah, massive contract. Hey, good for Eric Burkhardt, too. Chalking the world with that letter on Twitter. Chooses. All is well. Chooses.

Oh, yeah, he spoke about a word wrong there. Very bold decision there. Do you think Cliff called Pete Carroll and LaFleur? Like, hey, how are you feeling now that you, I mean, for LaFleur, almost lost your franchise quarterback, for Pete Carroll losing your franchise quarterback? What's life like? Yeah, what do you think? What's life like right now?

You guys signed Geno Smith. We saw that. Maybe he'll be a guy. Drew Locke. Got Drew Locke. Maybe he'll be a guy. But it's a lot different than the guy that just showed up like, hey, clear eyes, full hearts, ready to go.

Hey, we're working. Here we are. Here we go. Hey, listen, let's get to work. Let's do some squats. Let's go run some routes on my house field and everything like that. Russell Wilson is just a guy. Now, I'm not saying Kyler Murray is like that at all

because I don't think we've heard that at all about Kyler Murray out there. But if you believe he's the guy and you know what it's like for teams and other teams to experience not having somebody and what their franchise is like as that owner, which is the son of the old owner who used to be a little bit of a cheapskate. Yeah. Used to be a little tight on the dollar. The old owner used to say, oh, I don't need to spend a buck when of a cheapskate. Yeah. He used to be a little tight on the dollar. The old owner used to say,

oh, I don't need to spend a buck when 10 cents will do just fine. Okay, and I don't know if he had a southern accent or not. He might have. That's not the case. He passed away in 2019. Rest in peace, cuz. Rest in peace. Thanks for everything you did for the NFL.

Although you were a cheapskate, you were a big-time deal for the NFL. So rest in peace to you. Son takes over. He starts spending money now. He starts trying to build a culture. So although Patrick Peterson and Chase Edmonds were speaking about a potential culture in the NFL, it's a rest in peace to you. Son takes over. He starts spending money now. He starts trying to build a culture. So, although Patrick Peterson and Chase Edmonds were speaking about a potential culture in the past, other Cardinals, they're trying to change that completely.

Also, I'd assume whenever you bring in like a J.J. Ward, he probably brings a little bit of competitive fire, although he's never won a Super Bowl either. It feels like the Cardinals are in a very good place right now. And I don't know if Kyler and Eric Burkhart knew that they're in a very good place or why are we rocking a boat? Like, let's just pay this guy and keep this thing going. Or if they just thought to themselves, like, hey, isn't it time to pay the quarterback?

Whatever the case, if he gets paid, everybody's going to be pumped up about it. It feels like something happened. Like they had a meeting like, hey, Kai Kai, we're going to pay you, so why don't you calm down? Like, we're going to keep you here. And he was like, oh, okay, that sounds really good. All is good in the land of the rising sun. And he's like, I'll put out some good tweets this time,

make everyone feel like we're all good again. Because I assumed Kyler wasn't going to do that just on his own without them being like, hey, we're going to pay you. There is a house in the mornings. in New Orleans they call the rising sun that's literally all I can think of whatever you thought of that

and it's been on and on yeah that's a banger yeah that's all I can think of whatever you're talking about that but maybe kyler is offsetting it saying hey you can go about doing this in two different ways

do you ever think about how they always talk about i mean we already addressed this you know something like the back of your hand nobody really knows no at this stage of life i'm not sure but you know how um they say there's there's more than one way to skin a cat. Yeah, sure. How did that... Were people just going around skinning the shit out of cats? I don't know. That is a weird expression, and I've honestly never really thought about it too much. Because it's just kind of like a natural thing.

I was actually having a conversation with a couple RK Bros and some others a couple weekends ago about that. I was like, how did this even become a thing? It had to be alluding to something else, right? Was it like a big cat, like a lion or a tiger that you catch, and you skin that, and you make it like a rug? Not like a cat, like a house cat, like a big cat. Maybe.

I always assumed it was like when they were starving on the Oregon Trail and they had to eat something. What do they always say? Yeah, I guess. But they're just catching a cat. Cats can be tough to wrangle. Yeah, do they have cats on the Oregon Trail? I'm not sure.

Did the cats that we know just kind of just go west before everybody else? I don't think so. I don't know. Like a mountain lion cat? When did the domestic cats get introduced to a lot? Anyways, who's skinning cats? Egypt. Egypt is when I just thought of it.

Egypt was when they started doing the whole entire cats thing because they viewed their cats. Were they skinning them or no? No. They were like gods. They were gods, yeah. So how'd that even become just an expression, like just skinning cats? I don't think I understand.

I think we're talking big cats. Leopards, tigers. Bears. Zodiac cats. Jaguars. Leopards. Tigers. Bears. Zodiac. Jaguars. Bears, not a cat. Well, it's in the umbrella. No.

For like creatures. No, but it is certainly nimble, though. Big teeth. We have to do that. Anyways, maybe you get more bees with honey than with... Vinegar. Vinegar is what Kyler is thinking. Maybe they're just trying to go about doing business differently.

Like, hey, if I'm openly supportive of the Cardinals, I'm working out with the Cardinals, I'm at these OTAs with the Cardinals, hey, give me a deal. All right, I'm a guy. You know I'm a guy on the field. Off the field, I want to be here. We all want to be here. Let's go ahead and figure it out.

I don't know. I feel like everything's normally negotiating for whatever reason. I just feel like everything's negotiation nowadays, and it's sad that we have to think like that. But I do like the fact that it seems like it's much more positive between Kyler and the Cardinals. Speaking of negotiating, we may have got a little bit of an inside scoop

into the San Francisco 49ers and Deebo Samuels negotiating. Yeah. And we, listen, when you watch this, you're going to say, there's no way this is real. We've done some investigating. This seems to be potentially pretty real. I think so. So Miss Precious is Debo's stepmother.

She is a manager both in the music and the sports world. She has an Instagram account that we found, and she is a showman. Show woman. She is electrifying.'s entertaining yeah and she was live i believe on facebook uh she was fixing a light or one of those like little touch lights that you put in like a bathroom or something overnight she was live and i don't know she just goes live on a regular basis or not it seemed like she was pretty comfortable yeah it looked like she does you see it seemed like something she does on a regular basis or not it seemed like she was pretty comfortable yeah it looked like she does you see it seemed like something she does on a regular basis and there is a chance a very very good one that the internet sleuths found debo samuel having a conversation in the background

about his negotiation even mentioning aj brown and this was all captured live on his stepmother uh also manager i believe a part of her management group, Miss Precious's Facebook Live. What did you turn out there? I ain't turn out nothing. I ain't got no album. That's Devo. Allegedly.

You called me? You ain't trying to assemble. We got to go to the table. He is fine. He's asleep. My little grandbaby, he's sleeping. Troy said, Troy said,

them folks said they ain't going to pass 20. They said, they know you worth it, but they ain't going to give it to you. What the fuck? Look at that. What the fuck are you saying? What the fuck?

Hey, Adrian Brown. Hey, Adrian Brown. Dude, I'm sorry. So they told him. Then you go through the draft with you. Uh-huh. They told him. They told him.

They offered him $20 million, but they know he can get more, but they're not giving him more. That's what they told him? Yeah. Okay, so. Yeah. I think that's. That's pretty crazy, isn't it?

Yeah. That's 2022. Everybody talks about Kyler Murray taking, you know, his photos off of instagram and that being like oh the most 2022 thing of all time uh so 2022 now on the flip side we're hearing a lot about the behind the scenes of potential what's going on in the background of miss precious and by the way we did not find this is not us talking we are big fans of miss oh yeah big big big fans of Miss Precious. Oh, yeah. Big, big, big fans of hers. This just happens to be something that is very public now at this point. Shout out to

the Twitter account. Who was it? Move the ticker. There it is. 49ers Focus found this. So I'm assuming 49ers fans have a lot of eyes on a lot of things trying to figure it out. And if Miss Precious, who is Debo's stepmom and also manager and potentially involved

in any business decisions and she's going live every single day, you would think that 49ers fans are potentially tuning in just to hear if anything slips out about what's going on with Debo, who has a great relationship with her. So now we're learning, allegedly, if that is potentially Debo

Samuel. A.J. Brown was told by the Titans, hey, we can give you $20 million. We understand that somebody else might be able to give you more money. That's because he shares the same agent as A.J. Brown and also D.K. Metcalf in Mr. Torrey Dondy. Dondy. Torrey. Dondy.

Dondy. Dondy? Dondy? We were saying Dondy yesterday. I believe it's Torrey D. Gandhi. Gandhi. Gandhi. We were saying Dondi yesterday. I believe it's Tori Dondi. It is D-A-N-D-Y. We don't know the pronunciation. Dondi.

Yeah. It's Tori Dondi. Dondi. Dondi. Absolute Dondi. He is a Dondi, isn't he? He's a champion Dondi. Champion Dondi.

Champion Dondi. Dondi is a champion. Anyways isn't he? He's a chompy and dandy. Chompy and dandy. Chompy and dandy. Dandy is a chompy. Anyways, Tori Dandy. He represents Debo, AJ, and DK. So I don't know if it was Tori that he said allegedly to, because it sounded like he said it. George said at the beginning, George said they're not going to give you anything more than 20.

He said, I ain't got no offer at the beginning. So the Niners had not made him an offer yet. So it's not like the number was the thing that offended him. We can take away from that. If that is Deebo Samuel in the background of his stepmom who is electrifying Facebook Live. So they haven't made him an offer. That can't be what offended

him. So I would wonder if it is the conversation that he's hearing from like AJ, his agent, and what's potentially going on that is making this a standoff. Could this all be settled with an offer from the Niners that is explained like, hey, here's for your wide receiver roles. Here's what we would like to add on top as an incentive base for you to be a running back in what's going on because it sounded like Debo's just chilling,

doesn't know much about the situation, just kind of explaining what he had heard, and he's almost removed from it as well. Tori Dondi would probably be a good conversation. We'll talk to Ian Rappaport in the third hour today. I can't wait to hear what he's going to say about it all. Well, and I saw on Reddit, there were reports coming out, and who knows how accurate they are, but that the 49ers' initial offer to Debo

was in the range of $19 million, that they didn't even go to $20 million. So, I mean... Run that thing back real quick. Let's go from the beginning, make sure we have the sound up. What'd you turn out there? I ain't turn out nothing. I ain't got no offer.

You ain't trying that simple. We got to go to the table. He is fine. He's asleep. My little grandbaby, he's asleep. That's precious. Nobody cares. We love your grandbaby. George said, them folks said. That's precious, nobody cares. We love you, grandbaby.

Troy said, them folks said they ain't gonna pass 20. They said, they know you worth it, but they ain't gonna give it to you. What the fuck? Look at that little double-A in me, you see? I love those. Yeah. Hey, J. Brown. Hey, A.J. Brown.

Hey, J. Brown. So they told him. Then he gone through the draft with you? Uh-huh. They told him. They told him. They offered him 20 million the draft with you? They told him. They told him. They offered him $20 million, but they know he can get more, but they're not giving him more.

That's what they told him? Yeah. All right. So, A.J. Brown's probably not thrilled about that. No. That's probably information coming from what? Torrey Dondi, right? Dondi.

Dondi. Dondi, who is doing these deals. Doesn't sound like he's that, like, upset, though. Feels like this can get righted. Yeah, for sure. It felt like it could get righted. And whoever's on the phone would like that person in my life. Yeah.

That person seems like a great hype person. Yeah. Oh, hype. Oh, what the fuck? Yeah. I love that. Whoever that person is. Everybody needs somebody in their life like that.

I wonder if Ms. Precious knew that her live stream was going to become like this. It's probably the most watched, most viewed. Oh, yeah. By far. No, I don't know. We saw something. She's got talent. She's got some pipes.

But this kind of completely contradicts what Schefter's saying, too, right? Because Schefter's saying, hey, they'll pay him. Contract is what it is. Yeah. They'll pay him. If he comes in today, tomorrow, whenever, they'll give him what he he wants but debo's saying now that he doesn't even have an offer so it's kind of like what's going on if those are the two separate camps reporting two different things yeah that seems to be canned to debo right it's not like well and also who knows if debo's gassing

up whoever he's on the phone with too debo could be working a little bit there as well to whoever's on the phone they might know somebody we can't be sure of any of it, but that was an electrifying life. I wish I could see more of it. And the grandbabies, I apologize for saying we don't care, but at the time, honestly, there was a lot of things going on behind the scenes there, Ms. Precious, that we would like to hear. Hope the grandbabies just sleep and hope they are fine. I'm sure he's okay.

The grandbabies? Yeah. Seems like it. We don't know. Seems he's sleeping. Did you see the Terry McLaurin stuff yesterday? What? It was nothing legitimate.

It was just a lot of people because Terry McLaurin kind of falls into this category of, you know, great young wide receiver and needs a new contract. Someone was saying, hey, why don't we bring Terry home to Indianapolis where he's home, where he's from. Come on, Scary Terry. Come back. Hey, Scary Terry, you ain't going to be able to get the money that all these other guys get because your team hasn't been anywhere near

the primetime spotlight or in good graces with anybody. Never. So that's going to be a big part of it all. You know, like Debo with the Niners, they've had a lot of success. So probably he's going to get paid more. Tyreek Hill with the Chiefs, he said they've had a lot of success. He's going to get paid more. Devontae Adams with the Packers. He's had a lot of success.

Going to get paid more. Now, Christian Kirk debunks that a little bit because he's going to the Duval. But hey, we got money for Terry to come back on home. Let's get to a break. We'll be back. He went to Indiana. Yeah.

Yes. Learn your city. Learn your surroundings. I didn't know Indiana played football. From. Learn your city. Come on. Learn your surroundings. To be honest, I didn't know Indiana played football from Western PA. Tony would learn the guy from Indiana City if the team was something. I thought they only played basketball here. To be clear, I'm not a champion of Indiana information.

I did know Scary Terry was from here because they had a bunch of local news stuff on them while he was crushing it. Coming up. But there is some people that get announced from Indiana and I'm like, really? Isn't he? Indiana, Pennsylvania? Yeah.

Indianapolis creates some stuff. A lot of money in this fucking city too. Because it's very centrally located. So look for a lot of your logistical people to be here. And then all those Indy 500 race cars. That's right. Oh, shit.

Almost made. Almost made. Woo! Countdown begins. Trying to figure out whether or not, because we like the drivers, hate the course. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Do we promote the thing for the good of the drivers? I mean, maybe we just go golfing during it. You know, then we get in there. You know, you can work on your game. We get inside for a little, give a couple. See the rave. This is a great little place here Go drivers

I saw a driver the other day saying Thank you the yellow shirts So I said well This guy doesn't fucking know Yeah the yellow shirts are the fucking worst humans on earth Worst By far Yeah

Destroyed an RV Yes See who'll handle it We've watched the footage back. Yeah. Where were they at the after all? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah.

You're right, Cito. You're right, Cito. All those yellow shirts. Even across state lines. Come on. Come on in. You give somebody a little bit of power that's never had power before, or like maybe a meal in the last couple weeks,

give them power all of a sudden. You can see how they maybe wield that sword a little bit too strong that happens at the Indy 500 but that's because there's like 300 400 thousand people yeah and if it's not the yellow shirts then who is it yeah if they're not the one saving the world then who is it if they're not the one stopping you

from crossing a crosswalk just because they have the ability to stop you from crossing a crosswalk even though there's no cars coming either way and then when you say, hey, you, shut the fuck up. I'm going to walk. And they go, ah! And yell. You just got to expect that.

They're thinking, hey, this guy might end up on fucking turn three if I don't get him across this safely. If he walks across this street too quickly, he might have too much momentum that actually carries him right into the fucking pit lane. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. You never know. They momentum that actually carries him right through the fucking pit lane. Yeah, that's right. Exactly.

You never know. They got that place locked down in what we're saying. A little bit of ridiculous power the yellow shirts have. Yeah, a little too much. It is something

if you've never been you should go to the Indy 500. You should. But if you're not from Indiana and you go once, you're probably good.

Yeah, you get it. You experience it. Yeah. Bring your walking shoes. Bring your walking shoes. Bring your walking shoes. Bring your drinking liver. Yeah.

Get out of there at a good time because if you don't, that Uber on the way back, oh boy, you're either not going to get one or it's going to be like 500 bucks. Yeah. You're going to miss the milk ceremony. Just watch that one on the internet. Bingo. But you need to get out of there with probably 50 laps left. Yes.

60 laps left. Yeah. All right. You're welcome. That's 500. Look at us. We just covered Danny 500 today. Yes. 60 laps left. Yeah. Alright. You're welcome. That's 500. We just covered the Indy 500 today. Look at us. We're doing our due diligence, I think, for the city. Good people. A lot of people in Indiana absolutely

love the Indy 500, as they should. It's the biggest sporting event in the world every single year. It's a blast. A lot of questionable decisions get made over there. We'll be back in four. Answering some phone calls on the Fiverr Energy phone line. Also, chit-chatting about the potential of the Jets getting Debo now. Yeah.

Did they hear Miss Precious's thing? And what about the draft spectacular six days? Do we have any surprises to announce? Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, a champion in college football, a champion in the NFL, a champion in the Ryder Cup, a champion of COVID, a champion of everything. Ladies and gentlemen, Toxicity,

ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Ha. A.J.! What's up, dude? Hey, guys. Happy Friday. Hey, happy feel-good Friday to you. I'm happy you found your uniform, just like I have. How much easier does the day make right now, you know? I have about three shirts, I think, that I will be having

rotation for the end of time it's so nice and i know people a lot of people mock me for it and you know it's become a thing but when steve jobs said the energy that i can now spend elsewhere as opposed to picking out what i'm gonna wear each day is just a big one i'm like fuck steve jobs ain't never been wrong except for when he was a dad yeah bad dad probably bad husband everything like that but when. But when we're talking about, like, you know, getting things accomplished, that's why I decided I was a flat tank top guy all of a sudden. I learned this much, much, much longer or much further past whenever he said it than when he actually said it.

You know, there might be quotes that trickle off from, like, 1990. Sure. That might change my life here in 2024 from Steve Jobs as well, you know, AJ? Well, it definitely – I don't know if you know, I'm sure some of the boys know, it definitely worked out for Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos Company. She did the same thing and rousing success.

So what happened? I'm not sure. She became like a billionaire and she was basically all fougues. She was the medicine person? Yeah, like the blood. Like $7 billion the company was valued at or something and it never worked?

Yeah, I remember that. There's always those young, pompous assholes who can just make people believe something. I don't know if you ever checked anything out that she's doing. When she was running everything, she was on this pedestal as the greatest ever. She dressed like Steve Jobs. She changed her voice. It was bizarre. Really?

There's a good show on it, too. So she's like the farmer bro? Is she like the farmer bro? Sackler? Yeah, what's that? Screlly? Screlly. Martin Screlly.

Martin Screlly. He like had the, maybe he had the blueprint or the trademark or the patent on like some diabetes medicine, I think. And then he raised the prices for it like way through the roof. And it was like morally bankrupt i guess everybody came i think he's in jail damn is that the same thing that this lady did or what i think she was basically just lying the entire time she just like duped the investors big time and the product that she was hawking and made all this money off of like

they found out oh like this actually doesn't work at all it never worked and they were trying to cover it up the whole time it never worked i guess she's claiming she thought well this is how it works eventually we are going to get it to work but they can never show anything that we're in there like giving blood like blood test results to people saying oh hey you got cancer and they didn't is was she was she a scientist or no no she dropped you know it's like a silicon valley thing it's a i believe there was a book on it back in the day there's a podcast there's all kind of stuff well i hate to hear it hate to hear it sounds like a terrible person sounds like a terrible terrible absolutely uh let's talk about some other stuff um somebody that is not in the game of creating fake uh goods or fraudulent or you know ripping people off actually in the game of the

complete opposite have you learned to miss precious? Debo Samuel's stepmom? No, I don't think so. Okay, she's electrifying. She has a management group, I think, in music and in sports. She is, I believe, very tight with Debo. Debo and her are very tight. She is awesome.

I will say she is absolutely awesome. She's a content maker. We are big fans of Miss Precious around here. She was live on a tiktok though within the last couple days we don't know exactly when and debo samuel was in the background of it speaking about his contract situation and also aj brown's contract situation the reason why that is something is because they both have the same agent from ca who also represents dk metalf. His name is Tori Dondi. There you go. Tori Dondi.

So, allegedly, now, we can't say Ms. Precious is Ms. Precious, but we don't know if this is Debo in the background or not. She was live on TikTok, and he was speaking to somebody who is an incredible hype man, incredible hype man, on the phone about his contract and here's what was said aj i'm excited to get your thoughts on it that's nebo allegedly you ain't trying that simple He is fine. He's asleep.

My little grandbaby, he's sleeping. Troy said them folks said they ain't gonna pass 20. They said they know you worth it, but they ain't gonna give it to you. What the fuck? What the fuck? Hey, Adrian Brown. Hey, Adrian Brown.

So they told him. Then you gonna do say that's what the Titans told A.J. Brown. Ms. Precious was fixing something, going live. Feels like she goes live on TikTok a lot. We love her, okay, but this is a massive news story in the NFL that is potentially uncovering more. Was Debo just gassing up the hype man on the phone? Was he telling what he was heard, what he thinks is happening? And also, it doesn't sound like this is a burnt bridge just yet

between the Niners and Debo. It sounds like it could be fixed. Don't you think, AJ, after listening to that? So what exactly was he saying about AJ Brown? So AJ Brown, allegedly, the Titans, if you take what we just heard there, the Titans told AJ Brown they'll give him $20 million even though they know he's worth more. So they probably would say, hey, we can only give you $20 million. We know on the market you'd probably be able to get more.

This is what our offer is for you.'re still under contract blah blah blah that's what that sounded like right there and the reason why debo might know that is because once again they have similar agents uh the same agent in tory don okay well i guess my question would be when debo says he doesn't have an offer, does he legit not have any offer, or does he feel like the offer they gave him was almost insulting, like, hey, I don't even consider that one? So we didn't catch the beginning of it there because this is the only clip we saw, and shout-out to 49ers Focus.

Focus. Yeah, shout-out to 49ers Focus for catching this. But if Ms. Precious goes live on TikTok a lot, I would assume the Niners fans are very interested in listening to what she's saying. If she is a part of any business decisions that are being made about her stepson debo sammy which we do believe from searching around her ig and other internet things that she is a part of that him saying i ain't got no offer it sounded like you know he was maybe answering a question from the other side, like, why haven't you signed yet?

Or what are you trying to get out of them? And he is making it sound like they're to that person. And once again, we don't know who that person is, who they know, who they're talking to, because Debo might be gaming this a little bit too, right? Debo might be gaming whoever's on the phone. We don't know who that is. But he's saying, I don't have an offer yet either.

So we have to kind of take it for what it potentially is. And also, if it is even that, what could potentially be happening on that phone call is that aj brown on the phone call because she says hey aj brown and then the lady who's in the background walks over and debo says they told him and i'm assuming he's talking about the person on the phone that he could get yeah she says who's on the phone and he goes get. Yeah, she says, who's on the phone? And he goes, A.J. Brown. Yeah, run it back. Run it back. Run it back. And that's why she says, hey, A.J. Brown. And who's George, too?

Because he says George. What are you trying to do? I ain't trying to do nothing. I ain't got no offer. You called me? You ain't trying to assemble. We got to go to the table. He is fine.

He's asleep. My little grandbaby he's sleeping George said George said them folks said they ain't gonna pass 20 They said they know you worth it but they ain't gonna give it to you What the fuck Hey So they told him. Didn't he go through the draft with you? They told him.

They told him. They offered him $20 million, but they know he can get more, but they're not giving him more. And then she responds, they told him that because he's telling that to his. Yeah, and Tori's the one that said that. That wasn't George. It was Tori, Tori Dondi. So Tori Dondi told him that whole thing.

And then AJ Brown is on the phone. Whoa! Holy shit! Run it back. Run it back. Run it back one more time. We should have got this earlier. Once again, we do prepare mightily for this show.

Obviously. We listen. How much you trying out there? How much you trying out there? I ain't trying out nothing. I ain't got no album. Turn it. You ain't trying that simple. You ain't trying to Look baby They ain't gonna pass 20. They know you worth it, but they ain't gonna give it to you.

What the fuck? That's what he said. Hey, AJ Brown. Hey, AJ Brown. So they told him. Then you gone through the draft with you? They told him. They told him.

They offered him 20 million, but they know he can get more, but they not giving him more. That's what they told him? Yeah. I ain't no winner. Never. Because she walks over and asks who's on the phone. A.J. Brown, very pissed that Miss Precious is alive during this conversation. Yeah, yeah.

A.J. Brown probably. Or maybe this all works out, by the way, for them, because now other teams know exactly what the Titans offered, right? Mm-hmm. Pretty much, if that is exactly what the Titans offered, right? Pretty much, if that is exactly what the Titans offered. You kind of understand the Niners just got a glimpse into potentially what's going on in the conversation

camp. They just got to figure it out. And it sounds like more than 20 is kind of the wide receiver thing now, right? So it's not the running back money either then. So who knows what Debo is at, but it seems like we're probably in there, right there we probably know exactly what's going on now between them which is good

this is good news we know Debo wants at least 25 too from the IG that he was in and that he liked that's probably where his base is at right because Tyreek and Devante and Stefan Diggs are all north of 25 another 25%

the structure has to matter, too. The guaranteed money is the biggest part. You can make it look however you want. He wants to get paid, though. Hey, we apologize, by the way, for not being able to dissect the accent, the southern accent in there as well. We should have got that Torrey. I thought it was George.

No, I thought it was, too. I thought he was talking about, I didn't know which George. By the way, we didn't even address it because I didn't know. He was saying Torrey said, Torrey said. Torrey said they didn't go address it because I didn't know. He's saying Tors said, Tors said. Tors said they didn't turn it up past 20. What's that? Is this going to – like is Shefty breaking this down on SportsCenter right now? Is anyone else talking about this?

It seems like a big deal. This is a massive deal. This is the two biggest things in the wide receiver free agent. I have no idea what they're breaking down. We know Shefty's not because we know he's probably speaking from the owner and the GM side, right, because he's the one that said that Sam Fran would pay him immediately today if he would actually come in and talk to them about a possible contract extension.

This was on purpose from Ms. Precious. Can we get Ms. Precious on the show? I would love to. I would absolutely love to. She's reaching out right now. By the way, she's in the business game managing folks. This would be an easy way to get the number. Hey, this is how this is going to work.

This is how this is going to go. This is easy. Go ahead and get this thing done. A little public pressure, Ms. This would be an easy way to get the number. Hey, this is how this is going to work. This is how this is going to go. This is easy. Go ahead and get this thing done. A little public pressure, Miss Precious. Miss Precious is playing fucking chess. Let's go, bro. It certainly would make sense, right? I mean, I don't know if Deebo is.

You feel like he would be pretty cognizant of the fact like, hey, I'm on the phone with A.J. Brown. And I'm going to be talking about my agent. This has to be work. He'd have to know that she was live. Has to be. Says full name, too. Some people on the phone with A.J. Brown and I'm going to be talking about my agent. This has to be work. He'd have to know that she was live. Has to be. Says full name too, right? Some people don't care though. A lot of people, I mean, different generations,

people don't worry about that stuff. I think old people like me may worry about it. I disagree. I think people worry about it more now, right? Because they know more about it? I might be wrong. I might be completely wrong. I'm not out in the public.

Okay, we go out to the super bowl and i see someone filming me i'm knocking i'm knocking evie's camera out or whoever like why are you guys filming me because i'm not used to being filmed all the time but you are something like that well what what's he good why would you do that what are you so scared about what are you i'm not scared but i'm saying if you're sitting there i'm i'm driving a car whatever now so i peek back and i see someone filming me i'm like oh this guy's trying to get me knock it out of his hand what What are they going to get you? Falling asleep?

Driving with two feet? Having your busted fucking fingers all over the wheel? What are they going to get you for? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. But I'm saying some people are more comfortable. If I was being filmed every day, I wouldn't have that reaction. See, I think nowadays people are much more likely to look for a camera potentially filming them, right?

Like you are. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. But when they're doing their own, they're not worried about what's going on in the background, I don't think, as much. See, I don't know. Like, A.J. Brown is on the phone with Debo. He doesn't know that she's alive. A.J. Brown has no idea. Debo and A.J., by the way, said, hey, this is what we're going to do. We're going to go

through. We know this is a wild idea, but people are taking photos off Instagram and stuff like this. We'll go through my stepmom's TikTok live. Like Julio and Shannon. Like Julio and Shannon. Bingo, yeah. I'm out of there.

Maybe Deebo didn't know. Maybe he was thrown off by Miss Precious's casual demeanor of being live. True. Because she is very comfortable in front of the camera. She was just chilling, by the way. Don't ask questions about the grandbaby. Hey, credit to the baby, though. Asleep on the couch behind her, right?

That dude's sleeping through everything. Well, yeah, he's comfortable. He's asleep. He's fine. Don't worry about it. It's a grandbaby. That's what makes me think they probably know, actually. It yeah, he's comfortable. He's just sleeping. He's fine. Don't worry about it. It's a grandbaby. That's what makes me think they probably know, actually.

It's because, like, he's... He's playing it off very comfortably if that is the whole work. Yeah, but no one's asking her in the room about the grandbaby and she's just answering a question about the grandbaby. Like, I assume he probably

had some inkling of... She doesn't even know that conversation's going on, you don't think? Or... Because she is talking over a little bit with the grandbaby. I hope they just didn't think it would ever get picked up or people would they

didn't think it would be a big deal probably yeah i don't think she knows because she even asked unless this is part of the work well she wouldn't be a part of it obviously yeah she's if she really is part of like his business team in some way shape or form like miss precious like hey listen i'll hop on a tiktok live You and AJ just out your entire business situation. And then 49ers Focus will screen record it. We'll say we got to go take care of your grandbabies. Did they delete this? I thought it got ripped down.

I thought it got ripped down. Did it get ripped down? I thought it did, yeah. Still on YouTube. Still on YouTube. But that's the people who ripped it. We did the original video. Oh, so it's not a work.

What's up, Bailey? If this was a TikTok, TikTok lives do get taken down pretty quick. They don't stay up like IG lives and stuff like that. This Focus person had to be recording the entire thing. Has it been confirmed it was TikTok? I believe so, right? We don't know. Mittalk told us it was TikTok.

Oh, Jesus. He would know. He's Mittalk. I just jumped on her know. Mitt Talk told us it was TikTok. Oh, Jesus. He would know. He's Mitt Talk. I just jumped on her Twitter, and she does a lot of TikTok. Hey, by the way, she is a content maker. Yeah. But this YouTube comment or the YouTube title says it's Instagram Live. There you go.

Huh. Does it matter? Yes. But that's from a different source. Well, because then we don't know if it's being kept up or being deleted immediately whatever the case is it a work or not I don't know the comments that come up don't look like an IG live

yeah because it looks we would have seen them I just assumed it was Facebook but it's TikTok Mitt is adamant Mitt talks here Mitt is a TikTok guy 1000% yes that's the TikTok live that's not a TikTok live. 1,000%?

Yes, that's the TikTok live. That's not an Instagram live. That's the way TikTok lives look, and that's the way the comments go. Hey, thank you, Mitt. Thank you, Mitt. Look at Mitt bringing us down in age a little bit. Let's go. Thank you, Mitt. By the way, shout out to Miss Precious out there doing her thing.

Fixing a light, I believe. Yep. So what do you think happens there? I think that all gets settled. It didn't sound like there was a lot of southeness from De debo to the niners right felt like he was just yeah niners pay him i think they find a way to figure things out kyle shanahan and john lynch both seem to be very rational people so yeah i think they figured out they know how valuable he is to the team i think they figured out as well and then aj brown by the way it sounds like that seems to be easily

answerable too. We know exactly where he's at. Probably get up a little bit. That's probably where he wants to be at. Take care of that. Now, what's Torrey saying? They ain't going to pay you more than $20 for. Is that him trying to set the expectations

of all he's going to be able to negotiate? Or should he maybe, you know, be saying, we're going to try to get you every dollar we can possibly get? Under promise, over deliver, man. So he tell them they're not going to pay you more than $20. Hey, but guess what? I got you $23,500 per year. Boom.

Think about this. They ain't going to get more than $15,000. Then Debo's pissed off. Fucking take the San Francisco off of my goddamn. They're only going to give me $15 million. And then actually it's Tori Dondi setting himself up to look like a genius on the other side because he negotiated more. All right.

Joining us now, insider. Oh, jeez. Oh, no. What happened? Well, we're going to pivot away from the NFL because we've got Ian Rappaport in about an hour. We've got a lot of questions about Debo. Yeah.

Because he is dialed in with the 49er situation as well. Let's get to a break. On the other side, we'll have Sham Sharanya telling us everything that's going on in the NBA. Hey, the NBA is doing it right now. Yeah, it's awesome. It's fun to watch, man. The Warriors are very fun to watch, too.

Memphis. I turned on and saw the very end of that game like, oh, this is an amazing comeback. We're in Minnesota now, or whatever Kat said. Great internet. John Morant is an absolute dog! That might be my new team.

I was thinking about being with the Bulls, and then if the Bucs beat the Bulls, I'll be with the Bucs. That pool guy, the pool kid on Jordan Poole. On the Warriors. Are you kidding me? Like, what that dude can do is crazy. Yeah, I know. And then I was almost on the Golden State,

but it's hard for me not, which is John Morant. I mean, 17 seconds left in the fourth quarter. They're up a lot. They just came back a bunch. He swats somebody's shit, and that might as well be game-winning swat. It was after he got the ball stolen, right? Oh, dude. The things he said to this guy in that place,

I was like, that is... We need more Ja. We need more Ja out there. He's a dog. Oh, very good. Memphis, by the way, you never expect. That city, big basketball town, huh? Oh, yeah.

Huge. They quietly have been pretty – I mean, they had a run here recently where they weren't very good, but 10, 15 years ago, Memphis was going to the playoffs every year. It was always a team no one wanted to play because they played such good defense and had a bunch of dogs. Oh, yeah. Justin Timberlake used to go moonwalk on the side of the court.

They're young, too. They're going to be good for a while, so it's a good team to get behind. All right, I like them. Let's go Grizzlies. Keep your options open, though. Yeah, well, we'll see if they win or not. It seems like they're going to win, by the way. I don't think John Morant's going to lose.

This round, for sure. I'm not sure John Morant loses in much of anything if he ever gets in that mode where he's like, I'm going to beat you. No, especially once he gets that super max. He's going to be $250 million on his first contract. Oh, my. That team is deep as hell, too. Their bench can fucking...

Bunch of... Dogs. Dogs. AJ's a little smoky on this feel-good Friday, April 22, 2022. The Toxic Table is here. The Covey Cowboy is here still. By the way, I happen to see the Cowboy hat still on your head, pal.

It seemed like you were about to quit that yesterday. I have tough days and I have better days. Today's a good feel-good Friday. We have a better day today. Sounds like it. Sounds like it, yeah, because you went 9-2 or maybe 9-3 or 9-4 or whatever you were.

I only made three NHL picks, so at worst, 9-3. Okay, or maybe 10-2. Who knows? But 9-3, gambling yesterday. You're a good-2. Who knows? But 9-3. Gambling yesterday. You're a good gambler. You should be in a good mood.

You were a little bit bummed earlier today, wasn't he? Yeah, a little bit. You're a good gambler. What's that all about, Gumpy? I don't know. You see the other hammered down cowboy? He's got six chains on. Yeah.

Hey, Gumpy is iced up right now. Got that drip like Dabo, dude. What? What? Put it on the Mitt Talk, dog. Look at you. Gumpy's about to have a great Friday, it seems. Oh, yeah.

It's not just feel good Friday. It's feel great Friday. And our guest was back, but now he's breaking more news. No. What the fuck is going on, dude? Couldn't wait two minutes to say it? What happened? He comes on and then he has to break something and gets off?

I don't know. Earlier he couldn't get on because he was tweeting or doing something and then literally was about to announce him and intro him, and he just got a phone call on screen. He had to get off screen. So what's happening? This better be good, right? Is this something about –

It's probably Jerry West. Is Ion playing tonight? It's probably Jerry West. It probably was Jerry West saying, Hey, make sure when you go on that fucking show – Tell those fucks. I am not like that winning time character has been portrayed. I mean, listen to Quentin Richardson talk about that.

He was like, damn, damn. They're doing the logo. Damn, doing the logo like this. Joining us now. No. It better be Zion. Zion better be fucking playing tonight. On the 5RNG phone line, not Sean Sharania.

Let's go to Tyler in Pittsburgh. This will be good. Tyler, what's going on? What's going on, Pat? What's going on, boys? Hey, how you doing, Tyler? I'm great, man. I'm great.

Feel good Friday. On my way home for the weekend. Yeah. Hell yeah. Let's go, Tyler. Let's have a weekend. It's supposed to be warm weather. Oh, yeah.

Let's go. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I'm really bad. I was. Oh, yeah. Let's go. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Really, Pat, I was reaching out, man. I work with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Tyler. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know that. Hey, Pat wants to get a box for the year.

Can you do that? Oh, absolutely. AJ, come on down, too. What do you mean? Tyler, hey, what do you do with the Pirates? Do you pitch? No, no, no. I don't play, man.

I wasn't that gifted. I actually do sales for the Pirates, and I was reaching out to you. I talked to Bill, actually, with the incorporation. So I just want to call in, be a fan of the show, talk to you, see if we can't get you guys down here for something. Smart. Okay, thank you, Tyler. It's very nice of you.

True salesman right there. Yeah. What happened? What's going on? Just a little cold call live on air. Was that the Pittsburgh Pirates? Sounded like it. I believe so.

He's making money for that team. Like, hey, I appreciate your work ethic, Tyler, and I'm happy. It sounds like great yins are going to work hard to work for the Buccos, but also, like, we have sell-a-team shirts. Yeah. He's already heading home for the weekend. I don like we have sell a team shirts yeah he's already heading home i don't know if i should go in there and also like i got a lot of questions on the way we're operating over there tyler sure i got a lot of questions about what's going on gotta get people

in the seat somehow how come team always stinks like tyler i appreciate your work ethic you bring money in there you bring people i don't know if he's part of the zambelli deal or not but that's a good one yeah you bring the fireworks and the bobbleheads and the. Sauerkraut. Oh, sauerkraut. Saul and the jalapeno. Holly and him. And, like, you guys get people into the best ballpark in the entire country, Tyler.

And we appreciate that. But also, like, what the fuck's been going on with the team? Boys had a big win last night. You're damn right. They don't spend money, right? Isn't that every baseball team that loses is don't spend money? Yes. And even the ones that do spend money lose.

Are you talking about the Yankees? Fuck game back, leading the division. I don't know what Tony's talking about. Tony's at an extra ground against the Yankees for no reason. There's 19 months left in the season. What's their record? Seven and six, baby. Baseball stinks.

The Reds are doing great, I heard. No, they are the worst team in the league. Worse than the Pirates? Oh, by far. 10 game losing streak i heard oh no and now that comes after the order on the president on uh opening day or the owner on opening day said what you can do about it you're gonna fucking go be a fan somewhere else you're gonna drive three hours to another city's uh team shut the fuck up owner said that to the fans that said, excuse me, this team stinks. What happened? Wearing a red blazer. Yeah. Ready to go with sunglasses on. Spike tear.

I'd like to ask you, be careful what you fucking wish for. Okay? Fucking, where are you going to, you going to drive to Pittsburgh? I don't think so. Is that your next ballpark? You going to become a Cubs fan? You're not. You're in Cincinnati.

You're going to be a Reds fan whether we own it or not. And guess what? Somebody else comes in here, they'll fucking move out of this dump of a city. Is what he said on opening day. That was opening day, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and then the team has dropped 10 straight.

What's their record? They are 2-11. Jesus. They started 2-1. Broncos are 6-7. They're 2. They are 2. That is such a good character development of a heel, the owner of that team.

Yeah. Opening day, which has a parade, right? a heel the owner of that team yeah opening day which has a parade right cincinnati loves opening day the whole town started the whole season back in the day it used to be like the red started the whole season for everybody oh there's a parade the whole thing right the whole city goes downtown it's a celebration it's a day off from school almost i don't know about that but yeah it's a big deal super positive he comes in there as the owner everybody needs to chill the fuck out all right stop asking questions on why we're not good you don't think i'm trying to make us good i might

not just be good at making us good you ever think about that i don't know what i'm fucking doing all right i'll figure it out then when we do won't you be fucking happy because until then what are you gonna do you're not gonna watch baseball you're gonna watch baseball you've been watching baseball for 50 fucking years you're the only people that watch baseball is you're gonna continue to watch baseball and right now that you can fucking do about it. How about that? That's a great promo and then they go on the suck. Got to be the most hated guy in Ohio. Is that the most hated guy in Ohio?

I got to ask around, but I would imagine there's not too many that like him. He's definitely up there and now I got another more to lock. Whoever the Reds are playing tonight, I got that other team. Boom. Well, that's AJ. What you just did there is the right move, especially with how this guy has been gambling.

Nah. He's right. Cardinals first five money line. Steven Matz. Boom. Hammer it. That is my lock of the century. The Cardinals first five money line right there.

I'm also on the cards. Oh, no. Let's go, boys. I'm with the good gamblers now. Let's go. I am very worried right now. I took the full game though. I will lock in the full game as well.

Money line for the Cardinals. Double it. Joey Votto is going to hit four dongers tonight. Joey Votto is hitting like a buck. He's doing well on TikTok though. Well, so is Miss Precious. Yeah, crushed. Yeah, has that gotten anything else going on?

No, I don't know. Is anybody else talking about it? How's it doing on the internet? Does anybody care? It is going on. The first one is going. It's at like 50K. Here we go.

Here we go. I just put together, and I think we all did, that they were talking to A.J. Brown You have to listen to it 4 or 5 times Let's run that thing back as I place this first half bet On The Cardinals Cincinnati Reds

It's the Cardinals It's a lock I'm a good gobbler now I can feel it in my plums Let's go This is where it starts. Then tonight, the Bulls. Then tomorrow, whoever's playing the Reds again and the Celtics.

Then the day after that, whoever's playing the Reds again and the Reds. They're going to win at some point. Yeah, they will. Who? They will. The Reds? No, no. They got one good pitcher.

You skip him every time through. And he's not pitching until next week. Joining us now, let's pitch to a guy that knows a lot of stuff, maybe literally up to the minute getting breaking news. The senior NBA insider for the stadium and the athletic friend of the show, ladies and gentlemen, real champion of the insider game, Shams Sharania. Yeah! Shams!

Oh, no. Are you serious? Oh, no. Yo, yo, can you guys hear me? So, Zito, you had us muted because you were on a phone call that was top secret. What just happened? Are we breaking news? Okay, we're going to break news.

I'm going to say it on this show before I'm tweeting it, okay? Wow. This is just for you, Pat. That's right. I see you. Okay, so the Celtics have dealt with robert williams knee injury he had a torn meniscus on march 27th um sources tell me he is close to return and could play as soon as game three tomorrow which is saturday or game four on monday

a final determined a final determination will be made. And I just tweeted the news out. Fuck you, see you in the finals. A final determination will be made on how he feels day to day. But Robert Williams has been at the center of the league's best defense. We've seen what they've done this year, what they've done even in this series. But Robert Williams is on his way back. I'm told he did a five on five this week. And as long as he keeps progressing and making steps,

he is on his way back. Way to go, Bob. I'm going. I'm going. Way to go. Follow up there. So he's playing earlier than Ben Simmons? It's possible.

It's very possible. Ben Simmons simmons as i reported yesterday he's begun to target and his in his plan is to play in game four on monday but pass hold on hey steve nash said that was news to him i think that was a direct shot at you when steve nash said oh it's news to me he was targeting monday that was directly at you, Sean, from Steve Nash. I'm not going to comment on Steve Nash's account. But what I will say, Pat, is Ben Simmons hasn't played since June 2021. And so obviously, and he had a herniated disc in his back. I think they want to be very cautious that if you're going to throw a guy out there for the first time, Robert Williams just played.

He just played on March 27th, the day that he tore his meniscus. And it was a small enough tear to where he's now able to play five on five and he's looked good. And at least the one day that he played five on five and he's going to keep getting five on five time. And I would say for Robert Williams, the more likely return is on Monday in game four. So in that case, both him and Ben Simmons return in the same game. But the fact that game three is even a possibility that he could at least see a limited amount of minutes, I mean, that just goes to show to his progress. But, yeah, Ben Simmons, this is – I don't know if these are both apples. I think you have to consider them apples.

I got it, I got it, I know. I'm just saying that was what the internet was going to immediately say upon hearing this. Do they do Toradol in the NBA? Do what? Toradol. Do you know what Toradol is? It's like an anti-flammatory times 100 or 1,000. Like a lot of meniscus tears in the NFL.

It's normally like pain, dealing with pain, I think. It's not. I think I know what you're talking about. It's not like a shot. It's like a method of treatment, right? No, no. It's a shot. It's a shot.

It's a shot. I got it, got it. I might have been thinking of Forteo. Have you ever heard of Forteo? That's another treatment. No. What is Forteo? I don't know.

I'm just making stuff up at this point. No, no. what is Forte? I don't know. I'm just making stuff up at this point. No, no, what is Forte? Is it Panchaparma? Is that like that type of? It's one of the treatments that players use. I don't quite know the specifics of it, but it's definitely a treatment

for players. Drinking blood? It says here it's an osteoporosis medication. That builds bone. Sounds pretty good. treatment to play yourself um drinking blood it says here it's an osteoporosis medication well there you go that builds bone i could be sounds pretty good they drink two percent okay is that what's going on forteo is drinking milk dude is that what's going on all right anyways so do they do that type of stuff in the nba i don't know the culture over there is there a lot of uh pain killing and like anti-inflammatory treatments for guys to play and get through games? Is that probably what will happen with the torn meniscus for Robert Williams?

Or does he have to get all the way back healthy feeling good too? Well, I haven't heard that Rob had any type of injections. I mean, he might. But I haven't heard that. But I know like Lonzo Ball, right? He tried to come back from a torn meniscus he had surgery i believe in january and he tried to come back and he tried a bunch of different methodologies he tried you know the injection path the treatment path you know what you know any holistic paths like at that point i mean you guys you guys have played

you know like you guys know that you know when you're trying to get back on the floor you'll try anything holistically whether it's you know osteopathic like you guys know that, you know, when you're trying to get back on the floor, you'll try anything holistically, whether it's, you know, osteopathic, like you're going to try it. So injections. And so obviously, I don't know. Robert Williams did that. But definitely that is a method that players that if you really try to push the envelope, you're going to do anything to try to get back out there. I sprained my ankle in a U-ball game. I'm looking for Toradoff. Anybody wants to give it out? Go ahead, AJ, please please my right ankle it's tough you mentioned uh ben simmons whenever he does come back what does it look like like what what kind of minutes restriction is he on and how much is he going to play and will progress as the playoffs go so yeah so so what i've heard

aj is that like the goal would be to just get him out there to you know whether that's 15 minutes 20 minutes i don't know if the team even knows at this point, like, how much can his back take? You know, how much can we play him the full 30, 35-minute load? I don't think that they know yet. I think the only way you find out is you throw him out there. You know, one thing that I've been thinking about in the last week or two, though, is, like, look at what the Warriors are doing with Steph Curry. So if you throw Ben Simmons in that type of a role where he's coming off the bench and you're playing in the last four

to six minutes of each quarter, that puts him at about 15 to 20 minutes for a game. And I think you start off probably doing something similar to what the Warriors did with Steph Curry. And so that is what I believe is the likelier path for a guy like Ben Simmons. But, you know, he's not going to play tomorrow. But I think game four, as long as his rehab, he's scrimmaging today again in Brooklyn. As long as he passes through this rehab, I think, you know, it's easy to hate on Ben Simmons. But what he brings to the table, three-time All-Star,

multi-time defensive all-defense team, last year runner-up on defensive player of the year this is a guy that can do a lot for you defensively and i know within that nets organization they just want to make sure he can get on the floor and give them anything rebounding defensively they need anybody that they can get especially with the the type of i mean jason tatum jalen brown marcus smart like boston is deep they're deep pain preacher um i saw ben get, especially with the type of Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown, Marcus Smart, Al Holford. Boston is deep. They're deep. I saw Ben Simmons dunk the other day, and we all know that guy can ball. Are the New Jersey

Nets... No, jeez, that was so rude of me. The Brooklyn Nets, are they the most calloused and mentally tough team to handle being down 2-0, maybe? Because of everything that has happened this season? What's the vibe over there? This is just another day being a Brooklyn Nets. There's just some sort of adversity

distraction going on. Down 2-0 because they did not play well, obviously in that last game. The Celtics, they had a lead. Celtics just kind of came back and ran it, especially after the first game. How are the Nets? I'm a massive fan and a believer. Steve Nash feels like the right guy for this, even though he took a direct shot at you in your journalistic integrity.

I just want to let you know. By the way, not the first time. I know on this show we want to keep, for the record, when I reported that James Harden, that he was possibly going to be traded a week before the trade deadline, the word was that they were going to keep him. We're not going to trade James Harden. I don't know if we can find that quote or the video somewhere.

That might be, you know, you've got to get your guys on that. So you're getting called out by Steve Nash on the reg. That's just part of the job, dude. That's right. That's just part of the job. Asham Sharani is the, I think there's a scorecard going, the best insider in the NBA right now. Got a hot hand, that guy.

So the Nets are good, though, you're saying. We're all good to bounce back. And let's go. You're saying they're good, yeah? Listen, I don't think anyone's good at this point. If you're down 2-0 in a series, like I was in Minnesota yesterday. We saw the way that they lost. They gave up two 25-point leads in the span of two and a half quarters.

Jaws, dog. Dog. Anytime you have a loss like that, you're not feeling good. And I know the Nets down 2-0, they're not feeling good. But the one thing the Nets can say, though, is that they are really a couple adjustments away. And I don't see Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving playing as poorly as they did in Game 2. Like Kevin Durant, I haven't seen back-to-back games

with him struggling like this. So I expect a big game from Kevin Durant in game two. Like Kevin Durant, I haven't seen back-to-back games with him struggling like this. So I expect a big game from Kevin Durant in game three. I think Kyrie Irving is going to play better at home. I think their role players are going to play better at home. Pat, the one thing about the NBA playoffs is at home, the role players always play better. How will that transfer for the Southeast going into Brooklyn? Same thing for Brooklyn.

Can you handle the big city? We're going to kill. That's we're gonna kill can you handle the bright lights on the road and at home it doesn't it does alleviate some of that pressure that aj sean's going out to golden state so pool had did people know that this dude was this good and can you tell us a little bit about his backstory and like where does he go from here the guy seems to be a superstar i mean you you have to just give him the credit aj like the way that he's put in the work because i'll tell you like two years ago the warriors had an option date for him i believe it was his third year option and i remember he's not a rookie no no they were really on the fence they were really

at one point there was a lot of conversation on the league. Are the Warriors going to pick up his option? And that was a conversation. And they obviously picked the option up. They believed in him. They wanted to see his development through. And you have to give him credit. The way he's

blossomed and the way he's shined. He's looking like a third Splash Brother out there. The way he's able to shoot the ball. Play um clay thompson said it best it's a pool party like what this what this lineup is doing right now with clay thompson steph curry jayvon green andrew wiggins and jordan pool they're the best lineup right now going it's a lot of fun to watch it's a lot of fun to watch boston wouldn't be able to shut it down that's for sure go ahead ty shams we don't want to get over our skis too much here, but if the Nets were to lose in the first round,

I know all those guys said they wanted to come back next year, but is it possible if the Nets lose in the first round that we might see that kind of get blown up, or do they already have the baked-in skis set? Well, that's what I'm saying. We don't want to get over our skis here, but this would be – they're going to lose. Yeah, they were talking all year that this is is the team that was gonna win the championship i don't

i don't see this being like a end all be all year i think even kevin durant's like kind of hinted in it in his comments in the last month or so where he said like he's got his mind set on the next three four years he signed an extension last summer his mind is on how can we continue to get better how can we you know for two three years have a window to compete for a championship? And this year, of course, they've had they've gone through the ringer. You know, Kyrie Irving gets sent away from the team, brought back to the team in January. The mandate, the mandate, which I know the show, you know, we've talked about the mandate enough here. Like they've they've dealt with that aspect that gets lifted.

And then the James Harden situation, he's out. And then they get Ben Simmons situation, he's out. And then they get Ben Simmons, Ben Simmons' back players. Like, they've gone through so many highs and lows, but I think overall there's going to be a lot of reflection within. Like, if you're Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and if you do lose this series, you have to look internally. You have to look at the roster, the coaching staff.

Have they done enough for an office? Do you bring in the right players? the coaching staff have they done enough for an office do you bring in the right players um but i don't i don't know if that that would be the the blow it up move as far as if this team is able to get by the first your question is steve nash people are questioning you guys they don't win what's that if you lose in the first round with with you know anytime you have kevin kairi irving on your team you lose in the first round i I mean, everyone gets questioned. I think people on the roster, like, are these the right players? Like, everyone's up for, you know. Shams, do you know Jerry West? I wouldn't say personally, no.

Have you watched the Lakers show? Is this accurate representation? Because I know he's pissed. I have not heard that that is an accurate representation. I mean, from everything I've heard, Jerry West is a mild-mannered guy, laid back. Except for on that fucking basketball field. Hey, who wrote that then? Who's getting the...

Adam McKay, probably. No, I believe Jeff Perlman is the guy who wrote the book. But who's he getting the story from? From the Buss family? Or from players? Yeah, a bunch of accounts. I think he wrote the book like decades ago. At least a decade ago. Oh, so it's definitely accurate.

So who gave him information on it though? He would get embedded with people, wouldn't he? Well, I think it's dramatized. I think they even have a note at the beginning. I don't think they're factually using you know the play-by-play of the book i think they're taking it and you know stretching it oh i'm sure jerry west was pumped to see that first episode oh yeah what the fuck he's going on all right okay time shams uh mavs are up 2-1 mostly because of Jalen Brunson and the greatest shooter in the NBA, fucking Maxi Kleber. I don't know who that is.

Is Luka – are they going to – so Luka was supposed to come back potentially for game four. Do they even – are they going to keep like maybe, hey, maybe we win game four, we don't bring Luka back until we have to, or is he going to come back? I mean, everything I've heard is that Luka, if he wasn't going to play game three, he's going to play game four. I mean, I guess it is a question, right?

Like now that you're up 2-1, are you playing with house money and you just let Luka continue to rest for game five back at home? But I don't know if you want to run that risk, right? Like if you lose that game four at that point, you're bringing back Luka Doncic and essentially a must-win game five. Because if you lose game five, you're going back to Utah down 3-2. You don't want to do that. you don't want to do that and now you don't want to do that so so so there's also another methodology of thinking you you're kind of playing with house money however luca looks however many minutes he plays in game game four you can live with a bad performance because you know you have him at least he's going to get his feet wet he's going to get his legs under him after that calf injury

he's going to be able to play in game five at least more full steam ahead so i i think they stick with their plan it was always going to be one of these two games uh you know at this point what i heard late last night was it's most likely he plays game four gumpy go ahead pal with four chains shams if the jazz lose this series is this that the end? That's icy, by the way. That's icy. That's icy. I think we got to talk about that. All right. Is this the end of Donovan Mitchell and Utah if they lose in the first round?

Donovan Mitchell has a long-term contract. I don't see, like, it's very rare. I mean, I guess Ben Simmons, you know, asked out and got out. But I haven't gotten an indication that Donovan Mitchell would ask out or try to get out if they do lose in this first round series. I haven't gotten that. All right, who's going to win it all, Sean? I'm going to be quick here before we have the hard out here.

Who's going to win it all? I mean, Pat, look at this NBA playoffs, right? Like last night, you have Memphis coming back on Minnesota. Sean Moran. You have injury. Chris Middleton. Chris Middleton out two to three weeks. Devin Booker is going to be out at least 10, 14 days.

Luka Doncic coming back. Ben Simmons coming back. Robert Williams coming back. So much is in flux. I don't know if I can give you a winner. But listen, I think Golden State right now, you look at stocks, who's rising, who's high, who's low. It's hard for me not to pick Golden State as right now. But again, a lot can change.

Any injury can happen. Anything can happen. Yeah, you're right. And that's why we always have you on. We can't thank you enough. Ladies and gentlemen, senior NBA insider for the stadium and athletic, Sean Turon. To my left, you're right. A.J. Hawk, who's a champion of college football, champion of NFL football, champion of the Ryder Cup, champion of COVID, champion of toxicity.

A.J., how you doing, pal? I'm doing great. How many more shows do we have to do until you think every minute of the show is kind of an inside joke? Stuff for us. I don't know. minute of the show is kind of an inside joke stuff for for us i do feel a little uh sorry for some people that are just kind of introduced to our show like whenever we were singing the uh hey jude imagine if you just so happened upon our page and they were just watching and then jude asked like an actual question i believe and then we gave a somewhat serious take and then it ended wildly toxic. The wave of emotions while getting introduced to this program

is probably wild, which is why up to something season is such a fascinating thing because, you know, there is a thought like you probably shouldn't force us in front of anybody. You know what I mean? So, like, what is that decision? What does that kind of go with? You know what I mean, AJ? I, what is that decision? What does that kind of go with? You know what I mean, AJ?

I think it's good. It's all right if it's forced onto somebody. It's up to them. Hey, everyone's allowed to have an opinion. Obviously, this isn't for everybody. We know that. Well, more and more of those people are by the day. There was also a 40-second spurt of, hey!

Hey! Hey, how was the family? That was pretty good for that family. Yeah, it was. We talked about animated dicks on chins the other day. Oh, yeah. That's good sports Emmy stuff. Yeah, that's right, John Wayne.

Anyways, yeah, that's the Talks at the Table. They busted their table going in the last hour. Ty's from Waterloo, Iowa, the same place John Wayne Gacy's from. Yep. Congrats. He's not from there, but yeah. You watched it. I watched it, yeah.

Did you have a crawl space in your house you grew up in, Ty? No, I didn't, AJ. And people in Waterloo don't because people apparently in Des Plaines, Illinois are the ones

who have the crawl spaces in their houses. Hey, Des Plaines, Illinois was a real problem. I watched that. Maybe the tide's turned a little bit, huh? Well, the J.C.'s too

think he was voted man of the year in jail. It wasn't actually in the town of Waterloo. Oh. Because he started at J.C.'s, too, think he was voted man of the year in jail. It wasn't actually in the town of Waterloo. Because he started at J.C. in the jail, I believe. Built a golf course at the Anamosa jail.

That's why he got out in 18 months. Are you serious? Yeah. He finessed you guys. He built a golf course in 18 months. I ain't from Anamosa, pal. He's from Waterloo. He's not. This guy basically could have been the governor of Iowa if you gave him enough time. Yeah, if he would have stuck around,

I think that would have happened. But instead, he got caught up in a sodomy. Yeah, sodomizing. Yeah, which, by the way, there was like lawyers running to the cops saying, hey, this is a good guy. Don't do anything or whatever. And they're like, oh, is that right?

Look what this fucking guy did to a kid or whatever. It was... Back in the day, people used to be able to just get away with it. Oh, it's unbelievable. It is wild. He had the cops tracking him for like a kid or whatever yeah it was back in the day people used to be able to just get away with unbelievable it is wild he had the cops tracking him for like a while or whatever and he was still trying to do his it was that was very interesting taking a trip back in time in those documentaries you realize just how different it is like what an insane different world we are currently growing up in you know aj i don't know how anyone gets away with anything now

with all the ring cams and cell phone like how do you get like it's going to be on camera somewhere in your route i feel like you're being surveyed i think and you have to get like they track your phone then if you do get arrested they'll ping your phone all over like they can it's i don't know how you get away with it so my wife uh my wife brought dateline into my life you know she's a big dateline watcher i was not not beforehand. Everybody knows I don't really watch anything except for live sports and live shows. That's kind of all I watch. I had a little bit of... Baby Rock.

Well, obviously. Because Young Rock is fucking fun. Unbelievable. But when Dateline got introduced to my life there, that was a real eye-opener for me. A lot of crazy people out there, isn't it? Well, not just that, but everything's on camera this is like back in like 2000 2005 2010 like they have the ability to track everybody at all times that's why the people say they live off the

grid i'm so fascinated by because i'm like i don't i don't think so because there's like there's satellites up above that are shooting down yeah they're kind of just tracking everything it's it's a back in the day you go towns over. Nobody ever even heard of it. The police stations don't talk to each other because they're actually in competition, they feel like. You have a second family. People did. Three, four families. By the way, those were a couple of

datelines. Whenever people are running a little backdoor game, that show game catches up. Normally on the middle of the street with a car. That's what I learned from Dateline. There's a lot of cars being involved whenever there's a jaded lover happening. From shows I watch, the police departments and stuff like that still not very good at communicating with each other.

Nowadays? Yeah. Yeah, but I feel like everything's accessible these days. But maybe not. I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, Jeff Bezos had his phone hacked from like a Saudi print. So it can happen to anybody.

What? What does that have to do with it? Are you serious? Back in the day when it spurned his divorce, like he was hacked legit by like some Saudi guy. Some Saudi guy. By the way. Okay. Look it up.

Sorry, guys. By the way, true. By the way, probably true. Oh, yeah. Okay. You guys don't remember that? No, but probably true what you're saying right now. What is that?

But we're just saying, like, why did that come right now? Because we're saying that. You're saying, you said, hey, they're watching everything. Like, everything's on camera. You would think, okay, Jeff Bezos, like the richest guy on the planet, he should have some pretty good cybersecurity, right? No. Obviously, it turns out if they want to get to you, they can't.

Anybody, anytime, any business can get it. Any bank can get it, by the way. I understand people people are like i'm keeping it safe here i'm keeping it safe here it's like no it's the way people are nowadays if they want it they can go get it and the the whole thought of like bitcoin still being created made and a blossoming business i don't know how anybody trusts that i respect that people do and i there's a lot of very intelligent people that tell me like hey you got to go do that you got to go do that i don't if i can't see it i don't know how anybody trusts that. I respect that people do, and there's a lot of very intelligent people that are telling me, like, hey, you got to go do that. You got to go do that. If I can't see it, I don't know where it is.

Somebody else does, right? And then that could just disappear at any point. Is that something? But then they say, isn't that money as well? Yeah. Now that's a deeper fucking question, isn't it? Because banks run everything now. Remember that Shiny Flakes documentary

where it showed the deep, dark web and the stuff that they could do, basically. If someone wants to hack you, you can hack you. I feel like that's when we really found out was when that guy was running that whole operation out of his apartment and just getting drugs sent to him and him sending drugs, making millions. Shiny flakes. Shiny flakes, yeah.

What a life. Anyways, let's get back to some sports. Okay. Earl Thomas is ready to get back in the NFL, AJ. This is a big deal. Earl Thomas had an interesting falling out with a couple different situations. We thought he was maybe going to be a cowboy at one point, I believe. Great football player whenever he was playing football and playing football great. Once he got back in the NFL, I think it's going to happen more often with a lot of OGs as they see the salary cap go. Guys might get sick of football, might be out of football, might have made some mistakes, get away from football for a couple years,

and then all of a sudden they're living differently. They have maybe the best shape of their life. They're seeing the salary cap grow, could use some money maybe, and try to get back into it. Is it that, or am I misreading the entire thing? Well, I think, I mean, we can't speak for individuals, but for Earl Thomas, he probably feels like he has some unfinished business left out there. The dude was a monster. I mean, I think last week, didn't I just randomly say, man, where is Earl Thomas? he probably feels like he has some unfinished business left out there. The dude was a monster.

I mean, I think last week, didn't I just randomly say, man, where is Earl Thomas? Why is he not in the league? We always talk about him, I feel like, because he was still playing at a high level, and then I don't even know how he – what team was he on last? Baltimore. There was like that fight at practice, and it was really weird,

and then they – Sent him home. Yeah, they sent him home. But before last season that he played a season with baltimore right yeah derrick henry's ended his career pretty much yeah that's tiff on it did that to a lot of people yeah that was the last game he ever played in i think i think because he got hurt there no no that that was a playoff playoff game because earl thomas said earlier in the week oh yeah then he got a fight in practice. What did happen to Earl Thomas?

Weird that no one picked him up. Yeah, what's that mean, you think? I like his – in his tweet, didn't he say he said his timing – my timing's on point. I like that or something. I enjoyed his tweet. Yeah, what are you saying? Like, hey, the salary cap's going up and a lot of teams need me

and I'm all the way back. Why wouldn't you? If I was a team, I might take a flyer and bring Earl in. Oh, yeah. I think that's a good idea. I guess it depends on what he's asking for, too. Well, yeah, the money is always going to have to be chatted about in any type of relationship.

But the whole thought of why did nobody else sign him? Like, what was said, you know? Well, that's what for, like, a guy like that, like you always talk about when you get labeled a distraction, you know, it's pretty much over with. But we had never heard anything about his time in Seattle. He was a pro bowler all pro several times like how long would it take him to get back in the good graces like when we had never heard any of that stuff before then like how do you all

of a sudden just like oh he's a distraction now he's done yeah it happened quick yeah it happened a lot quicker than most people i feel that's what i'm saying real quick so was it just a bad situation was it uh what teams will maybe say, you can come make it right with us? Because, I mean, he's a dog, right? Earl Thomas is a dog out there. Yeah, it being Baltimore, I think holds more weight, too, because that's like a good culture, like a good program. It's not like it was one of these teams like Jacksonville.

Yeah, but I think Harbaugh coaches hard, right? Some people could probably understand how that might not jive with everybody. They're a disciplined team. Like, Harbaugh, he's no joke. And I'm not saying Earl Thomas didn't like that. I don't know if that was the case. I think there was some stuff going on off the field. It was also, I think it was like a players thing.

Like, I think the players wanted him out of it. Oh, yeah. What happened? It was his brother. Oh, yeah, some stuff went down in his personal life that got made very, very public, right? Yeah. Man.

He wasn't in Seattle at that time, though, was he? He's in Baltimore. He's in Baltimore, yeah. Okay. Hope he comes back. Hey, good luck out there, Earl. Good luck, Earl. Come to New England.

Good luck, Earl. Hey, come on over to Indianapolis. Great long haul. Kyler Murray feels like he has made up with the Arizona Cardinals A.J. Hawk because not only did he answer Patrick Peterson and Charles Edmonds. Chase. Chase. Fuck.

Charles. Who is Chuck? We talked about Chuck. Charles Davis? No. Yesterday we talked about a guy named Charles. Chuck Barkley? Anyways, Chase Edmonds was chatting about the culture in Arizona and why Kyler might want out of there because before, when they were in the Arizona Cardinals building,

it just didn't feel like it was like everybody wants to win here. It felt like it wasn't a championship mentality, a winning culture, basically is what they were alluding to. That was years ago, though, when both Patrick Peterson and Chase were on the squad. Now, although it has been within the last few years, brand-new ownership within the Cardinals, and I think we can all say from outside looking in, it appears to be operating in a little different fashion as well.

They seem to be making moves, going all in on people, and that's because the son of the former owner is running that thing now. And I guess the dad, who passed away in 2019, not necessarily the biggest spender in the world. Son, a little bit different. He's been going in. So they think that their culture has been changing a little bit. Kyler Murray backs that up with saying,

I want to win the Super Bowls with the Cardinals. Arizona is home. And then when Ian Rappaport tweets, who we'll have on in about seven minutes, he tweets out that GM Steve Kime said, there is zero chance we are trading Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray responded and said, 100. So I believe everything has been made right in the Kyler Murray-Arizona Cardinals relationship.

What do you think it was? Does this mean a contract is coming very soon? And shout out to Arizona and Kyler being back in good graces, just like Cliff Kingsbury and the coaches are back in good graces with the Cardinals. I would imagine this makes the front office in Arizona and the coaching staff feel a lot better. But if I had to guess, I would say, hey, they made an offer and he felt pretty good about it, and they were kind of close to his number

and what he thought he should get. Okay, so the original owner of the Cardinals, Charles Bidwell. Oh, there it is. That was at the Bears, I believe, right? Yeah, Chicago Cardinals. Chicago Cardinals, yes. Okay, Chuck Bidwell. Oh, there it is. That was at the Bears, I believe. Chicago Cardinals. Chicago Cardinals, yes. Okay, Chuck Bidwell. He worked at Al Capone.

I was wondering why it happened. Yeah, he was the lawyer, the cleaner for Al Capone. So that family has done aggressive things in the past. Oh, yeah. They've gone for it in the past. And this new owner, third generation? Third. Third. Third generation Bid new owner, third, fourth generation. Third generation? Third. Third generation Bidwell owning the Cardinals football team.

He's a little bit more aggressive. He flies his own fucking planes around. Yeah, he flew that thing up to Wisconsin to get J.J. Watt and said, come on, you're coming down to the desert. You're going to fucking love it down there. What? And J.J. Watt just posts every day of him hiking and golfing in Arizona. Is that the nicest place on earth?

I mean, fucking Arizona. Absolutely beautiful. It's so nice. Them taking advantage of that's huge, and it feels like they had to have told Kyler something that made it all good again. And that's good news for everybody that's in the Cardinals' bird gang, pal. Yeah, because with Kyler, they're a legitimate contender, right? I mean, we were naming all the guys they brought in,

and we completely forgot about Zach Ertz, too. Like, he has some legitimate threats on offense. They still got James Conner back, too. Oh, yeah, Zach Ertz was traded for in the middle of the season. Yeah, and then they re-signed him. Three years, $39 million or something like that. What did he do? He came in a week early or something like that, sat next to Kyler,

flew on the plane next time. Yeah, playing up. They became good friends or whatever, had an immediate connection. Yeah, because he played on Thursday night, got traded after the game, and then wasn't eligible to play on Sunday because you can't play two games in the same week. So he traveled over to the game and then traveled with Kyler Murray, became friends with him while he sat on the sideline that was being talked about. Who was the tight end he came in for?

Max Williams. Williams. Is he still there? I believe he is. He's a fucking guy, too, if he's going to be healthy because he got hurt. He was a massive part of their offense. Nuke's going to be back. James Conner's going to be back.

A.J. Green's back. Hey, look out for the – Rondell Moore. Oh, Rondell Moore running four twos or whatever the fuck he runs. Let's go, A.J. Cardinals are all the way back and happy, it sounds like. Face Clarence. Face Clarence.

You know what I mean? That sure feels like it. I mean, when you name all those weapons, it's incredible to hear how much talent they have on offense. But I give Steve Kahn, the GM, some credit here saying 0% chance. We know we've seen other GMs and people kind of – they don't want to ever be, like, backed into a corner. So, oh, well, you know, we always are listening for offers or whatever.

I would imagine that would upset Kyler and his agent a little bit if you kind of left it out there like that. Yeah, because every GM always sells it in the narratives. Well, they have to answer. I mean, they have to answer phone calls. It would be bad for business if they didn't answer because if somebody offers them five number one overall picks, is that not better for the organization than maybe the quarterback?

So that is always how it is spun whenever a GM says, well, we have to answer phone calls, we have to answer phone calls. Even though we said we will not trade you, we have to answer phone calls so him coming out and saying that don't even fucking call about it is good that's good news and also they extended steve kime they extended cliff kingsbury it seems like if they're all getting on the same page there it's like hey it's either us or nothing here for the cardinals for the next however many years we get this deal done for so we might as well fucking just learn to love it out here yeah different positions but that's kind of why the 49ers and Debo is kind of wild because didn't Kyle Shanahan say something along the lines like yeah we'd be foolish not to pick up calls if

someone's offering you know a top five pick or a top 10 pick yeah because the report was like we'll trade anybody but that wasn't what he actually said it was it was more along the lines of like yeah we have to answer we have to field these calls if people are going to be offering a King's ransom. What did Bruce Arians say for Tom? Five ones. Five ones. The conversation begins at five ones. Yeah.

That's a lot. I'd say. So who's available for five ones? You think everybody? Mahomes? Everybody. Like a 25-year-old stud quarterback that has three Super Bowl rings already? Yeah.

You think Josh Allen available for five ones with Brandon Bean? I would do it. Well, Brandon Bean would trade himself before he traded Josh Allen. Yeah, never in a million years would I trade Josh Allen. I mean, I would trade for him. I'd give up five ones, I'm saying. I wouldn't. Oh, yes, me too.

Yes, we would all. I would give. In a heartbeat. I'll give you seven ones. Hey, seven ones. Listen to this. And a fourth. Seven ones. Sweet.. Listen to this. And a fourth. Sweet, sweet.

And a fourth. In 2030, get you a role player. A compensatory as well. We'll throw it in there. Yeah, it's going to come. It's going to come for Josh Allen. I would do that in a heartbeat. Now, we would just have to make more trades down the road to get maybe a pick or two.

Or we're just all free agents in this thing, and everybody wants to come play with Josh Allen, and we have no state income tax or a dome and, like, a perfect facility and massive houses and a good view or whatever. It's like, hey, come retire, and let's just win a bunch here. We have no picks. That's what LA's doing. Yeah. Oh, that's what the Rams are doing. Is there anyone that doesn't play quarterback that you put up that many

picks for? Aaron Donald? Maybe. He's thinking about retirement. Corner, receiver. Is he? He said it after this last year. He's coming back next year, but I feel like once you start

thinking about it, it's much more realistic that it's going to happen sooner than later. He's winning Super Bowls now, though. That Von Miller deal. He's older than Aaron Donald. So if Aaron Donald can get a six-year – Remember, that deal was much different.

Yeah, true. It was much different than what was being reported originally. Aaron Donald, game wrecker, huh? In your eyes, he's the first guy you think of there? Yeah. I mean, how many O-linemen have you talked to where all of them lose sleep the week before the game? Like all of them.

It happens to every one of them. Every single offensive lineman from every different position in every single rank of payment system before the game. It happens to every one of them. Every single offensive lineman from every different position and every single rank of payment system in the NFL. Who do you not enjoy? Fucking 99 for the Rams is just a problem. Everybody says the same exact thing.

Your wideouts on your team are like, alright guys, good luck. They're messing with their O-line during the week when they're about to play Aaron Donald. They're messing with it. Alright buddy, make sure you eat a few few extra pancakes you need some weight to sit down on that bull rush i know just getting shit talk to him from all maybe even their kids daddy you play against aaron donald this weekend he's strong dad like that that is literally he's like that type of game changer it feels like yeah from a mental perspective just naturally because every time they're on primetime or national television,

it is talked about like, watch Aaron Donald today. And he might not have the stats in those games, and it might be like back-to-back games where he doesn't have like three sacks or like two sacks or he only has like maybe a couple pressures or whatever. And people on the internet are calling like, oh, every time they hype up Aaron Donald or whatever, it's like all week instead instead of preparing for, like, the Los Angeles Rams defense that also has Ramsey and everything else,

Aaron Donald was just eating away at their preparation time. Everything they had to do just to beat that guy, offensive line, takes away from the run game, takes away from the pass game preparation. Just everything he does to mind fuck and physically fuck a team is just at a another level it feels like than everybody else right yeah and i think some offenses too have to like take certain plays out of their game plan when they play them okay if it's a late developing route down the field we may not have time this week guys or we better somehow have some misdirection

included to make him run a long way to get to our quarterback it's just a whole thought process that is like a five, six-day thing that Aaron Donald is. It's always on their mind, though. The play call, whoever's calling the offensive plays, every single play before he calls is like, okay, can we block these dudes? Especially number 99. And then he calls the play.

Unless it was Irvin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, a whole different game there. Joining us now is the man that actually broke this news about Kyler Murray never being traded from the Arizona Cardinals. Well, I guess he didn't break it.

Somebody else actually said it, and he reported it. And that's what he does. He's such a good reporter. Senior NFL insider for the NFL, NFL Network, and NFL.com. Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, the host of the weekly wrap-up of the Rap Sheet and Friends, us being friends, he being Rap Sheet, Ian Rapava. Hey!

What's going on? How are you, man? Good to see you. of the Rap Sheet and Friends. Us being friends, he being Rap Sheet. Ian Ravava. Hey, RG! What's going on? How are you, man? Good to see you. Good to see you, too. I think, talking about my great tweet on Kyler Murray, I think the tweet itself was fantastic. I had a nice paragraph break in there to make sure to call attention to the quote,

which was nice. And then Kyler Murray responding to that tweet with the 100 was probably the highlight. I thought that was pretty good social media interaction right there. Hey, way to go. Thank you, by the way, for the breakdown of the actual tweet itself, because whenever you're at an elite level like yourself, we don't get to hear the brains, you know, flow about how you get to such a high level of tweeting. So we appreciate the fact you had good spacing there, had the full quote, had good setup and punch at the end. And then guess what? We got a sequel when one of the characters in the actual story comes involved there.

You fucking hit a home run here, man. You did. Yeah. And I got to say, you know, I'd like to take credit. Obviously, I'd really, really like to take credit. I got to give a shout out to my good friend, Tom Pelissero. He is a big proponent of the paragraph break in tweets to call attention to what's being said in the second part of it. I thought this was just a textbook example of really zeroing in on kind of the guts of this tweet and making sure it stood out.

So you're coachable, too. That's unbelievable. Yeah. Always learning. Your best days are still ahead of you because you're coachable too. That's unbelievable. Always learning. Your best days are still ahead of you because you're always learning, Ian. Congratulations. Whenever you're talking to the Arizona Cardinals folks, what has happened? Did they have a conversation with Burkhart and Kyler since the entire Instagram and letter thing? There's no new deal, right?

But it seems like they are in a much better place because Kyler actually quotes we did Patrick Peterson and Chase Edmonds on the All Things Covered podcast and said, I want to win a Super Bowl for the Cardinals. Arizona is home or whatever. So what is taking place? This is great news for everybody involved, it sounds like. Yeah. By the way, I got an issue with what Patrick Peterson said, too.

I think they've done some nice things to give him some weapons. I mean, made a bunch of trades last year, brought in J.J. Watt, brought in a center. Like, they've got DeAndre Hopkins. Like, he's got some – Kyler is in a perfectly fine place to succeed. And they did well last year. They didn't, you know, go forward in the playoffs, but I think the foundation is fine. It has definitely gotten quieter, which I think is really, really good. You know, in this situation when you have, you know, agent Eric Burkhardt putting out missives, either, you know, from

himself or kind of working behind the scenes, or you have the team, it's not good. I think the best thing that has happened here is both sides have come to an agreement where it's like, he's going to be here. Okay. Like he's going to be here. So if there's So if everyone acknowledges that, then it's really just let's get down to negotiate. We're going to have disagreements. It's a negotiation. But if everyone agrees on the baseline of he is the team's quarterback, then let's just stop talking and let's just try to do the deal at some point in the next couple months. Yeah, so when does that deal happen and what does it look like?

Does it rival Deshaun Watson's deal he got from the Browns? I would say my best guess is they probably start talking, let's say, May. So, you know, next month. And then a lot of times these quarterback deals get done right before training camp because players don't want to show up and play and risk injury during training camp. So, like, you know, let's say late July is probably a solid wheelhouse for when this may get done, maybe sooner, but when it may get done. The best question is the second one you asked, though,

which is does this rival Deshaun Watson? Every quarterback agent is going to try to get a fully guaranteed deal. The issue with that, just fundamentally, is that a team has to then put up all of the fully guaranteed money. So let's say it's a four-year deal for $45 million per year. So that's four years, $180 million fully guaranteed. Michael Bidwell has to then give a check to the league office of that much money, put it in escrow to make, basically to make sure he has it. Owners do not want to do that.

So it'll be an uphill battle to get a fully guaranteed deal. So Haslam had already checked for $230 million to put in an escrow? Yeah, I mean, I should, minus what he already gave Deshaun. So he gave, you know, there's the signing. So I think he gave, it's that much money minus the $46 million for this year that he gave Deshaun Watson. Yeah. I like that. That's a move to to Sean Watson. Yeah. I like that.

That's a move to protect the players. Yeah. I like that. I don't know when that was instituted. I think it was instituted at a time when you weren't quite sure that everyone had the money. Now everybody has the money. Everyone's rich. So it actually is a question of, like, do you still need to do this?

Because if you did away with this funding rule, I think there would be more fully guaranteed deals owners be owners will be more open to it all right well let's get it out because everybody in the nfl right now has the ability to pay all those and if they don't by the way publicly they would be forced into somebody would have to pay them i think how many are that liquid though how many owners are that liquid they can write a 230 million dollar check that's what i think he's saying i think that's what he's saying right i i think think as of right now, I think most, if not all. No, but so if they all can do it, then why don't they just fucking put an escrow then? I think what you're trying to say is that they don't actually. Right.

No, it's just they don't. They don't want to. I think what what what would change here is if they did away with the funding rule, then you wouldn't have to give over the money to the league office. It would be fully guaranteed. But the league and the player and everyone would trust like you have it so you're going to pay it eventually okay so now let's move on to another riveting topic rap sheet this is something we're not going to run the video again because i did i've seen it three times already yes yes by the way so have i but

we're not gonna run again because it has been ripped everywhere else but on that particular Twitter account. So I don't want to catch any stray cease and desist. Sure. Some flack, some strikes or anything like that. I'm not trying to do that. I don't want to do that. But it's out there, okay? All right.

Anyways, there was a video floating around that alleges Debo and A.J. Brown on a phone conversation basically talking openly about their situation contractually with their respective teams, A.J. Brown on a phone conversation, basically talking openly about their situation contractually with their respective teams, A.J. Browns with the Tennessee Titans and Debo Samuels with the San Francisco 49ers. They're talking in there, and basically they're going back and forth, and they share the same agent, and he's referencing this entire thing, and they're talking about their deal situation. What I took away from it mostly, Debo said,

I ain't got no offer in there to AJ. Allegedly, if this is who was on the phone, we do not know if that's the case. It's off camera. Who knows? Debo Samuel said, I ain't got no offer. But he didn't say it in like a spiteful manner. Sounds like there's still a lot of room in things that could happen between Debo and the San Francisco 49ers. In follow-up, it also, in that video, A.J. Brown said he was basically offered like $20 million

and was told, hey, you probably can make more money elsewhere, but this is what we're offering you right now. So what have you heard about this video? What have you heard about the things that we learned, potentially, from this video, if it is real? And your thoughts on the entire situation. First of all, I have not corroborated that this is real i believe it is uh i but i want to talk on the assumption that it is real okay okay and that the people in the video are who

they appear to be because otherwise this doesn't make any sense right so um i would say that is correct that debo samuel has not received an offer from the 49ers. From my understanding, he basically told them, like, I want to be traded. Don't make an offer. Because that's like when people say, oh, it's probably about the money. Like, I don't think this is. Now, I mean, if he had an offer in hand of $25 million a year, might it make it more difficult to have started this whole thing? Yeah, I think had the 49ers made an offer initially,

he'd have a lot more to think about, but they didn't. So he does not have an offer. He told them, don't make an offer. I want to be traded. So I think all of that was accurate. And it didn't seem like there was any sort of animosity, like, why didn't they make an offer? I think Debo is fine with it because he wants to be traded, right the aj brown part of it what i took from that is their opening offer was 20

million a year assuming that that is true and that is actually because you know if he has an offer for 20 million like teams are not make don't make their best offer right away these deals take time everyone always makes an offer and says all right you know here's all we can do and then you come back and i actually get to so like i took it to be 20 million was the opening offer which to me is probably a good place to be because it's going to go up from there and he should make let's say somewhere between 20 and 25 so you know he's at least in the wheelhouse there is this ever going to slow down you you think, with the receiver position? Or is this going to continue to go and go? I mean, this is a special offseason where all of these dudes are all in the same boat

and all really good. It's awesome. And they're all the same agent. Your friend, Tori Dandy. Dandy, by the way. Dandy. Dandy. We didn't know because he sounded very proper.

So I wanted to make sure I did him justice. Tori Dandy is actually Tori Dandy. You got it. Dandy. We didn't know because he sounded like very, you know, proper. So I wanted to make sure I did him justice. Tori Dandy is actually Tori Dandy. You got it. Dandy. Tori Dandy. Yeah. He's a Dandy. Yeah.

They all have the same agent. They're all great. I would say based on where we are as an offense, like as an offensive league, you're going to get a ton of receivers with stats like this all the time. And it's really a question of does everyone still – do they pay them for the stats that they come up with or does somebody say this is dumb like you know we can get another one in the draft and i think what has happened is half the league says this is dumb we can just get another one and the other half says we have to pay them right so yeah um I mean, yeah.

I mean, you're playing somebody else's show. Listen to the Mets game. Jesus. I mean, this is a Veles Jones's interview on NFL Network. I had to just take out. It's my earpiece right here. No,

no. It sounded good. I mean, it sounded good, but it was getting a little distracting. No, no, no.

I don't want, I want to, but you're right. There's two different philosophies in the NFL right now. People are going or people are not at all. They're diametrically opposed. And so you have the Chiefs who are like, cool, we love Tyreek Hill. He is awesome.

We will take the next one in the draft. And the Dolphins who are like, we have to have this guy. And it's led to just craziness and an offseason like I've never seen before. Yeah, and hopefully this will be what offseasons look like all the time as people that are definitely doing live shows for at least the next few years. Hell yeah. Every single day. And reporters who like breaking news.

Hey, bingo. A lot of that. You got a lot of that going on right here next to us in a basement that is on NFL Network as well. I don't think that video is bad for anybody. Did you? When you watched it? I don't think it was real.

I don't think it's bad for anybody. No. No one said anything bad. It was all truth. It was people being honest and there was nothing. It wasn't like, you know, this is why I hate the 49ers or like this is why the Titans or like nobody lowballed anyone. It was all fine.

I would say it's not great, though, because anytime you have a situation where, let me speak for my family. How's your family? How's my family. How's your family? How's your family? How's your family? If my mother was here recording private conversations and putting them on the internet, I personally would have a major problem with that. My mother does not.

She posts on the interweb, but she does not post as it relates to me or my job. Neither do my family. None of that is good for anyone. When families get involved publicly, it always ends up bad. So that's the only part I have. Business is business and that's all fine, but having someone broadcast it all to the internet

when maybe not everybody knew they were being recorded, I do not like any of that. Yeah, that's terrible. AJ Brown, we were talking about that in the first hour. AJ had no idea what was going on there. It's like, remember what happened to Julio when he like, and they just called him up online and, you know,

he ended up getting traded. It was fine, but like, that wasn't very good either. Yeah, but business-wise, I don't think it affects anything for either party, but it is certainly an interesting situation and hope it all works out for everybody. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Rap Sheet, a car called in and he said

the Piston Trees podcast said that Urinating Tree. Urinating Tree podcast said that the Jacksonville Jaguars were thinking about moving the number one pick. Is that real or is that just a crock of shit? Not a single person reacted to either. That's what you guys thought the name was. You were fucking terrible people.

Nah, I just figured it wasn't that, but I didn't know what it was. Oh, so you didn't want to step out of line because you don't know the actual was. You're a fucking terrible people. Nah, I just figured it wasn't that, but I didn't know what it was. Oh, so you didn't want to step out of line because you don't know the actual answer. Right. It's urinating tree, dude. They kill. Urinating tree. I've seen them on the internet a lot.

You guys need to know. I knew there was a tree in it, though. I love the pooping trees. Well, I know them. That's your problem. That's AJ's band. That's the Toilet Soap Boys. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sorry about it, but the jazz. No, it's a great broadcast. I'm a big fan of whatever that is. See? See? Yeah. No, you don't know. Me and Ian know. You don't. Sorry about it. But the Jags. No, it's a great broadcast. I'm a big fan of whatever that is. See? Yeah. No, you don't know. Me and Ian know. You don't.

You're in A&T. We knew. What does that mean? No, none of that's true. I think if the Jaguars could move from one, they would definitely listen. My sense from this draft is everyone from one to like probably seven or eight or maybe more would like to move back because it seems like just you know they they grade all the players and it seems like the players from like one to 20 are like kind of similar there's not like a you know like last

year everyone knew Trevor Lawrence was gonna be the number one pick that's fine he had the highest grade for almost every team. It's not like that this year. There's players clumped up. The grades are much more even. So everyone in the top would like to get back so they could get a similar player but pay less money. But when that happens, when everyone wants to get back, not a lot of people want to come up. Jared Jones.

Yep. Is this because you've just gotten back into work after that full vacation you had? And you're like, oh, shit, nobody really wants to draft anybody. Because the whole draft week conversation, right, is Aiden Hutchinson, Trevon Walker, Thibodeau maybe getting in there. When's the first quarterback going? Here we go. And then, you know, a caller called in, said urinating tree. Great podcast.

Great group on the internet. They're talking about the Jags maybe wanting to trade out. And I don't know them well enough to know if that's via their sources or just punditry but once that you know option was presented you started thinking to yourself that all we've heard really from anybody speak about this draft other than jerry jones is everybody wants to move back we didn't know if it was at the top though it sounds like you're hearing like yeah there's a lot of people that are also echoing those sentiments yeah and i think what's going to be interesting is like i don't know that we'll get a trade real real early but someone one of the good players at the top is going to start slipping a little bit and so you get let's say it's let's say it's cave on tibidow let's say he

gets to like six or seven does someone in the teens come up and go, this guy's too talented. I have to trade for this guy. Or does Charles Cross, let's say, get to eight right before Seattle. Maybe they want to tackle. And someone says, I got to trade for this guy. So it's really going to be, I don't think early we'll get fireworks, but as some of those players who are considered to be in the top three pick conversation

slide a little bit, then someone will probably make a trade. And that's when it'll get kind of fun. Thank you, Ian. Go ahead, Ty. go ahead ty rap sheet given what you said about uh teams and their receiver philosophies where would you put the packers in that because i i saw it might have just it was probably just bullshit but people were mentioning that maybe jordan love gets traded on draft night plus a pick for tyler lockett or something like that and every time one of these receivers comes up packers fans immediately say like i like, oh, bring him in, bring him in. But are they more in the, hey, we're just going to get guys through the draft?

First of all, I'm not so sure Jordan Love gets traded. I mean, look, anything's possible for the right price. But I think they like the value as a backup, and I still think they'd like to see what he is. They are more in the line of we can draft a receiver and develop him. I mean, Devontae Adams is awesome second round pick, right? I mean, Randall Cobb was very, very, very productive, was third round pick, right? Mid round pick at some point, I forget where.

Anyway, that's more their philosophy. The difference is if you have a special, special player. So my guess is the Packers will be among the teams interested in Debo Samuel. I'm not saying they're going to do the deal, but I think they'd be interested. So it's like, yes, they would like to take one or maybe two receivers in this draft. They'd like the value. I think they're going to develop one. Aaron Rodgers is great.

He makes receivers better. But if you have someone who's special, really, really special, then I think they'd be interested. Chris Ballard said, nah, we're going in draft. Getting a wide receiver in the draft. Jarvis Landry out there, Odell Beckham Jr. out there. Hey, Earl Thomas, he coming back? What's going on with Earl Thomas?

Yeah, I saw that. I would say it seems to me like a long shot. I just hope, you know, when Earl Thomas left the NFL, he was going through some tough times. And I think it's been, you know, sounds like it's been a somewhat difficult couple years for him. The adjustment after the NFL is not fun for anyone. I, you know, I hope he's in a really good place.

If he is, in fact, healthy,, sound mind and body, ready to go, and in a great place to play football, I hope he gets signed. Because when he was playing, man, he was one of the best players in football. He was one of my favorite players in football. I just hope he's in a really good place to take on this challenge if this is what he wants to do. He was electrifying. Go ahead, AJ.

Ian, how many quarterbacks go in the first round? Oh, over 2.5 or under 2.5? That's a perfect line. Is it 2.5 or 3.5? 3.5. It's 3.5 now. I'm sorry. Is it 3.5?

Yeah, 3.5. Interesting. So my sense is one goes early. Maybe that's Malik Willis. One goes in the middle. Maybe that's Malik Willis. One goes in the middle. Maybe that's Pickett. And then someone probably trades up into the first round to take a quarterback. So maybe that's Ritter.

Maybe that's Sam Howell. Because the lines of Donald quarterback work, right? So I guess it's possible they take one or two. We'll see. But 32, they could take one. So who trades up over the Lions to take a quarterback? And does that mean three go in round one? Or do the Lions say, okay, well, that's fine.

We don't want him anyway. We'll take this other guy. So my guess is three or four. I will go with three with someone, you know, who didn't get one in the first round trading up late into the round to kind of grab one. Under three and a half right now is at minus 250. Oh, come on.

Jesus Christ. Makes me think that they think that the three are going to go. It's unbelievable. All right, we're getting out of here, Ian. Can't thank you enough for joining us, buddy. Any breaking news today? It's a Friday. This normally happens with the NFL. Not yet, but I wouldn't rule out anything.

Oh! What is that? You've had a little teaser text with somebody? There's a couple small things. I don't think... I mean, last time I said this, that there wouldn't be anything breaking a deal ended up getting done way earlier than I thought, so... A biggest deal of all time. I will say... Debo to New

England, he's saying. No, no. No, no. Sounds like the Packers, actually. No, I will say this. I don't know where Debo's going, but I don't think that Bill Belichick is a big fan of the trade for someone and then give them a contract. Go to hell.

Do you know anything about the Patriots? Did you cover the Patriots or anything? A little bit, yeah. Belichick is a big fan of the trade for someone and then give them a contract. Go to hell. I don't think you like that. Go to hell. Do you know anything about the Patriots? Did you cover the Patriots or anything? A little bit, yeah. Three years. Lived in South Boston. Great place. Southie.

Big Southie guy. Yeah, I bet. Hell Street Tavern, greatest bar in the world. Oh, yeah, except for those other ones. Capo. All right, have a good one, Ian. We thank you for getting back to work though we do appreciate it hey by the way i'm up to something you know who uh i saw that on the

internet i know ian did text me with the article it was almost like his insider just couldn't help it like excuse me carry confirm excuse me well i'm like maybe you know it's like a little feeler text and i'm like maybe pat just tells me maybe if i'm'm like, hey, this is interesting, and then you go, actually what this really is is, you know, but I didn't get anything. I got the shrug, essentially the shrug. Did I text you back? I don't remember. You did, which was nice. I got a text last night at 1239 from an offensive coordinator

whose brain I'm trying to pick, and he was like, hey, respect you. I'm just not going to give you any info. And I was like, you know what? Thank you for that very respectful text. That's kind of what he was like hey respect you i'm just just not going to give you any info and i was like you know what thank you for that very respectful that's kind of what yours was like okay yeah i tried my best because i honestly don't know but you do know and that's why we love talking to you ladies and gentlemen ian rapaport he just said yeah sure what do you say what was that about did he say yes sir yes no he said sure. I could tell by the look on his face, too. He was like, yeah, sure, you don't know what you're going to do. Fucking guy.

He doesn't know shit about fuck. I know that Bill Belichick might trade for D-Bubble. Have we taken a break yet? No. Let's do that. And then I'm probably going to get on the road. Albany, New York, AJ. Hell yeah.

How far to flight? It's upper New York, so pretty far. It's central New York, AJ. Hell yeah. How far of a flight? It's up in New York, so pretty far. Central and a half. Central New York. Make sure you film the aliens again. Hey, listen. They've been popping up, dude. Turn into them, man.

Have some balls. Tell old buddy to turn into them. We got to get close. How do you turn into an alien? Well, he wants me to go through the portal. Bank towards him. Oh, I thought you meant like snap your fingers. Boom, I'm an alien.

Well, that's probably what I always do. Maybe that happens. I go through the portal. Hey, why don't you guys do a giveaway? No, I'm not going to transfer. Cool. Well. Hold on. Am I up to something?

Is there anything I can do? Alright, I don't know, dude. Anything can happen. It is a wild time. I'm going to get don't know, dude. Anything could happen. It is a wild time. I'm going to get on the road, though. It is an hour 40, I think. Hour 45 or something like that. Not bad.

It's not bad, but it's certainly not like one of these short ones that could also be there, too. I love it, though. I've never been to Albany. First time. I'll be excited to be there. See the people. And then I literally just go You know Bam To the arena

I judge a city strictly off It's catering in the arena And that is not how That's not how it should go How is the crowd Are they juiced Yeah It's valid

And how is the catering For instance Worcester last week Yeah Unbelievable Electrifying Let's go I didn't know that

Let's go Yeah The arena was Was loud Shout out What arena Like who plays in the arena Electrifying Let's go I didn't know that Let's go Yeah The arena was Was loud Shout out What arena Like who plays in the arena That you guys are going to

I have no idea dude I got no clue All these arenas These men's basketball team Fucking Albany River Rats Probably the Albany River Rats Good squad What's that

That's a PLO Professional cross Inside doors It's an ice hockey game See this guy He's too confident He's a problem He's too confident It is inside doors. It's an ice hockey game. See this guy, he's too confident. He's a problem.

He's too confident. It is. I know they got a pretty good indoor lacrosse team, box lacrosse. All right. Everybody else.

I love it. I love all the accents Connor's been kind of diving into lately. It's been fun. Yeah, he's kind of become a champion of accents. A little bit of a champion.

I will be a champion of gobbling this weekend. How about that Torrey Donby guy? Donby. That guy. He's in the middle of it all right now. He's starting of become a champion of accents. A little bit of a champion. And I will be a champion of gobbling this weekend. How about that Torrey Donby guy? Donby. That guy. He's in the middle of it all right now. He's starting to drink. Sounds like he's a good agent.

Yeah, sounds like he's a good gobbler. Good gobbler. Good gobbler, that guy. All right, everybody have an incredible weekend. We will see you. I will see you on Monday. The boys will take you home here. All right.

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