The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 650 - Darren Waller Was Almost Traded To The Packers?! Charles Davis, General Bob Carpenter, Sonya Deville, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 26, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about all the different rumors circulating around the NFL Draft as we are only two days away from the draft spectacular including what the latest with the Deebo Samuel situation is, Darren Waller allegedly almost being a part of the Davante Adams to Las Vegas trade, if the Packers still have interest in trying to acquire Waller before draft night, and all the different smoke screens around the NFL right now. Joining the progrum to chat about this year's draft and why it feels so much different than the last several draft's is CBS Sports NFL color commentator/NFL Network analyst, voice of the Madden franchise, and friend of the progrum, Charles Davis (27:06-48:20). Next, former first round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, Ohio State legend, the man who single handedly saved B1G Ten football, The General, Bob Carpenter joins the show to chat about Ohio State's crop of players this year, who the can't miss prospect of the draft is, what Jerry Jones was like, and his new business ventures (1:16:41-1:39:42). Later, WWE Official and WWE Superstar, Sonya Deville joins the show to chat about abusing her power in the WWE, her career arc to get to this point, what she has cooking in the future, her involvement in the upcoming Pride Parade in California, her new doughnut business, and much more (1:39:44-2:01:08). Don't forget the 3rd Annual Draft Spectacular is this Thursday at 8 PM EST on youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow. And listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Tuesday, April 26, 2022, the 13-year anniversary of me getting drafted to the Indianapolis Colts. Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. We're just two days away from the Draft Spectacular, and I'd like to let everybody know that the draft is certainly a time where dreams come true. And if you're not projected to be a first-round, second-rounder, or a third-rounder, there's a good chance that you're scared to fucking death. And what's coming up this weekend, is your football career over? Are you going back to school? Are you going to be selling insurance, hopefully, or maybe even drugs, possibly? That is what the draft could potentially say.

I am so pumped for all the dudes that will get to experience their lifelong dreams, the things they've been working for since they were just little kids, either in the neighborhood or on the street playing or pick up or organize, all the way through the little, little leagues, and then the junior high, the high school and college, and finally, all the early mornings, late nights, the anxiety, the puking, the sweating, the bleeding, the dreaming, the hoping, the inevitable opportunity that you've been seeking your entire life is sitting right there. And I will forever be incredibly happy for all of these dudes that get drafted and get to experience that moment of

it was worth it. Everything from what they did with their family or their friends or their coaches, Everything from what they did with their family or their friends or their coaches. All of the commitment and dedication and the sacrifice of other things that a lot of people get to experience that you don't on your path to becoming a professional athlete. I am so happy for the guys that get to experience that this upcoming weekend. Incredibly pumped for the people that go during our draft spectacular just two days away on YouTube.com forward slash the Pat McAfee show. We'll be live for the first round in its entirety. It is always ridiculous.

It is always much longer than any of us could have expected. It is almost a social experiment watching us battle through the entire thing. We'll have massive guests. Announced yesterday the man who wore a leather jacket in Miami was speaking about Bitcoin. Hell yeah. Aaron Rodgers will be joining us on Thursday night.

I believe this is his first time chit-chatting since re-signing with the Green Bay Packers. And also, obviously, since the Devontae Adams news. Also joining us live in studio, Darius Butler. Oh, let's go. In stew. D- Butler. Let's go. In studio. D. Butler will be here. We didn't know if AJ was going to be here and Darius potentially going to be here. We're going to have a packed house for a great night.

Obviously, AJ Hawk can't make it because he's got 10K. Right. He'll be live in the attic in Ohio. We also have other massive surprise guests. Should we announce one? Have to. Maybe next hour? Where's the allure? Maybe the first letter.

Chris Ballard will be live. Chris Ballard will be live from the War Room night one. Cannot wait to chit chat. He has joined us every Draft Spectacular before the draft has started. One of the years he didn't have a first round pick because DeForest Buckner was traded for.

This year he obviously does not have a first-round pick because of Carson Wentz. But who knows if he's going to be active? Who knows if he's going to be making moves? We'll be talking to him during the draft, live from the war room, and we'll be talking to others live from their war rooms as well. I think that's where we're going to make the difference this year this year we're actually tapping in what are you guys thinking right now what are you projecting what are you looking ahead for if something happens what what is the do you have like a do or die situation in the draft war room and what's the

what's anxiety like over there yeah a lot of the scouting departments you know other than cincinnati uh which i think they have hired a couple scouts or whatever. One for the north, one for the east, one for the south, one for the west. That's right. They got that cubicle like Severance where there's just four desks. Yeah, there it is. And it is literally their entire scouting department. And that might be old news.

That might be old hat. That might not be the way it is anymore. But that is kind of – there is massive scouting departments, like hundreds of people almost that are invested in college scouting, other pro scouting, the film department, people on the road, people in workouts. And the draft is kind of the pinnacle. They're Super Bowl, basically, for a large part of people that work in NFL umbrellas. So I'm excited to dive in there.

I'm excited to tap in there, excited for the big giveaways. And I'm hopeful for everybody to make a billion dollars after they get drafted. Today's show is an interesting one because up-to-something season is, you know, for the big giveaways. And I'm hopeful for everybody to make a billion dollars after they get drafted. Oh, yeah. Today's show is an interesting one because up to something season is, you know, potentially taking a turn. What? Really?

What? Yeah. Up to something season. You know, COVID didn't come and it can't really take a weather delay, but it might take quite a delay here. Oh. What?

It might have to. I don't know. Oh. Hmm. That's why I didn't answer any of these people, you know, asking for questions. Sure. Can't do it. Because I didn't know. That's why I didn't answer any of these people asking for questions. Sure. Can't do it.

Because I didn't know how up to something season was going to go. Right. I didn't know what the weather was going to be like. Sure. I didn't know where the weather was coming from. Of course not. It's cold this morning. And ultimately, there's literally only one human making the decision.

And whenever you have a pretty good relationship with that person, and that person has no idea what's going to happen, it was tough to answer anybody on what could potentially happen. Up to some season, I do believe, has been put on hold for a little while. Wow. Holy shit. I do believe. Snowstorm or tornado or hurricane?

I'm not sure of the length of the storm. Okay. Or the delay. And I don't even know if it's a storm, by the way. It actually might have been too much sunshine, too much going on. We got the draft spectacular. There's another trip around the sun finishing here how about it soon we got the weather breaking it's like do i still want to do all these conversations that appear to be going nowhere while all this other stuff's going on yeah maybe not and business is pretty good yeah i'm having a

great time yeah so it's not a negative it It's just more so like up something season might come back in the near future, but it appears to be on hold for the time being. No storm, too much sunshine. There we go. Never a problem. Never a problem. Speaking of problems, though, once this draft stops, there's going to be nothing to talk about.

So we're very lucky right now to be talking about the draft and everything. But there's other stuff happening around the NFL and in the sports world that at least warrant conversation. With that being said, we head to the toxic table. The two topics of conversation basically in everybody's mind being represented by these two gentlemen right here. Connor, we'll start with you. Celtics sweep the Nets.

The Nets might be fucking dead. Wow. I don't know if you can say might because they are. I doubt that any of those guys are going to want to go back and reunite with Ben Simons. But look, when you come from the Revolution region, that is New England, you don't celebrate first-round playoff victories. Okay?

We're looking forward. We're on to Giannis. We're waiting in the second round. Hey, maybe Chicago makes a run. But Jason Tatum, I mean, the guy's unbelievable, possibly one of the better players in the NBA. And I don't know if you actually heard this, but he's only 24. All right.

He's only 24. Look, I have to say it. The average age of the entire NBA is 26. So everybody needs to relax with the average. He's only 24. That's two years under the average, I guess. Hey, he's a young guy. He's on his way to his fourth Eastern Conference Finals already.

Jalen Brown, another young guy. This Celtics team, they're primed for a run not just this year, but the next 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years. There's a chance we've got a dynasty and we know anything about Kevin Durant. He might just say, you know what, fuck it. I don't want to play in Brooklyn anymore. I'd rather play with Jason Tatum, head on over to Boston,

join them. Yeah, why not? It doesn't seem like something he would do. He says no. Oh, he said Charles Barkley's speech was accurate. I don't think that's the case, by the way. I think Kevin Durant is a... Don't! Look, if you win a championship, who cares? We talked about it with Tampa Bay. Are we calling any of those guys bus riders?

No. You win a title, you win a title. Kevin, come on down, buddy. You're going to love Boston. Speaking of as a punter, I was always right there on the bus. I was just kind of, hey, where are we headed? Hanging out. Are we winning or not?

Yeah, I got no problem with it. Who cares if he went to the Warriors? They still won. And when you look back on it in 20 years, are we going to say Kevin Durant wasn't that good at basketball? No. He's unbelievable. But he might as well come to Boston,

a team that's going to be good for the next decade, and add three, four, five more championships onto your resume. I was given some stats earlier today. I believe the Celtics team, first year with a new head coach. Yes. This guy has locked them down on defense aside. It took a little bit for the team to buy in, it seems like. I think they were 25-25, and then they went 31-21 down the stretch or whatever.

Yeah, something along those. It might have even been 31-10. 51-31 overall. 51-31. Yeah, unbelievable stretch. They're like hot right now. Hot right now. And the best part about the new coach is that he basically told them right from the get-go,

like, hey, you stop bitching about fouls. If you want to do that, you're going to sit on the bench. I'll bitch about the fouls. You guys put your goddamn hands down and get back on defense. And that's what they do. They play a great defense. Had to establish a culture. Had to.

Had to do it. And Brad Stevens. Were they able to do it? He was able to do it, though. Oh, yeah. That's not easy to do nowadays. brad steve were they able to do he was able to do it though oh yeah easy to do nowadays well especially like the turnaround like it's not as if they came out you know bought into it immediately and everything was hunky-dory like halfway through the season they really had to look at each other and be like hey we kind of suck we're like an eight seed right

now they ended up finishing like you said as a two seed they go on this crazy run best uh defense in basketball and best offense in basketball after the All-Star break. So it's just – I'm on cloud nine right now, but we're ready for the next one. Everybody's burying Kyrie in them. What if the Celtics are just unbelievable? They're just really good. And, I mean, you can't really bury Kyrie and KD because, you know, they didn't play that much together, and I guess that's why you can't.

Yeah. But, you know, at least Ben Simmons tweeted a couple years ago that he can't see his team get swept again. He couldn't deal with that feeling. And then here we are. Yeah. From 2020, he actually said he hated seeing his team get swept hurt, man. I don't want to feel that way again. Nope.

There he was, front row, except for last night. That's why he wasn't there. Yeah. That's why he wasn't there, because it hurt so bad the last time. Okay. He don't ever want to feel that way, so he didn't watch. Makes sense. So that's why he was actually playing a little Call of Duty.

He said, I can't watch. It hurt too much two years ago. How come nobody's piecing that together? Everybody's saying, oh, the guy didn't even show up for game four. He was supposed to return that. Clutch Sports is making a play here. That's the biggest heist in history. This guy, what's his deal?

He's not even there. After we all kind of ridiculed how he looked on the bench. Sure. He said, well, fuck it. We won't go then. And then he got killed for that as well. And listen, I am 100% on the page that we do not like Ben Simmons. No.

Okay, we would never want him to be a teammate of ours. Uh-uh. I would never want to be a fan of a team that Ben Simmons is on. This guy seems to be the biggest heel in sports, and not for like shit-talking reasons like heels of the past. It's because like, oh, this guy seems to be the biggest heel in sports and not for like shit talking reasons like heels of the past it's because like oh this guy seems to be a terrible teammate yeah i just don't want to play today this guy seems to be something that we would not want our professional athletes to be now with that being said he has not spoke about it big dumb decision if he does have an actual reasoning behind uh not playing in games in which he looks to not be laboring at all. I mean, the internet got it right.

And I don't know if the timing is accurate, but I've seen the tweet. Tiger Woods almost died, broke both of his legs, came back, played golf before Ben Simmons came back. Yep. Saw that as well. Yeah. That's a tough pill to swallow. I mean, two different sports.

I get it. Okay. Sure. I get it. But I believe he had a back surgery as well in there. Oh, yeah. Spinal fusion. And I think that's like the thought of what professional athletes are.

Like the uber competitive human beings who will do whatever to get back out there and perform. Now, there's always going to be people that are just business minded first. But even those business minded people, what they're doing behind the scenes so that they can get more money, the amount of work they're putting in, the rehab they're putting in, the amount of gurus and nutritionists and team. People are spending millions of dollars on people around them to make sure they're at their best so that they can compete more. That's how I think the world would like to view professional athletes. So whenever Ben Simmons is being viewed as a guy that just doesn't really want to work, doesn't want to get better, doesn't want to get healthy, is opting not to play unless he feels 100%, which we all assume it's going to be painful or sore in an NBA season

that is 82 games long or whatever. And you're deep into the playoffs at this point, and you're injured before. So I feel like not a single person is on that guy's side. Steve Nash said, we're going to do whatever we can to get him back in the fold. That's because Steve Nash has to say that. And Steve Nash has to hate coaching at this point. What a year to get tossed in there with everything that happened, with the mandates, the protocols,

New York City being much different than basically every other city in the NBA other than the Canadian country ones. I mean, what a year. Steve Nash has to be wondering to himself, I was crossing people up in dress shoes on the internet like a year ago, having a blast, enjoying myself with the Golden State team, just doing my thing. Now I've got to deal with something every single day,

and now people are calling me the worst coach of all time because I couldn't win with KD Kyrie. And they're going to say I had Ben Simmons because on the roster, I guess he technically was. This guy never played. That's an interesting place right now, and it might have been just that the Celtics are so good and everybody's reacting.

Time will tell, I guess. Other big story out of the NFL this morning. Was Darren Waller going to be a Green Bay Packer? Holy shit. When Devontae Adams was traded to the Las Vegas Raiders, allegedly there are reports now out of, I believe, Nagler, and Jeff Howell is reporting that it would have been turned down by the league, which I don't understand how that would have worked.

But the Packers asked for Darren Waller as part of the Devontae Adams trade per a source, says Jeff Howell. The Raiders weren't going to accept it. Sources also said at the time the league wouldn't have permitted a player swap in a trade for a franchise player in Devontae Adams. I have no idea what that means. Is this like whenever the Adam Silver or David Stern, whichever one it was, turned down the Chris Paul to the Lakers trade and they said,

nah, I can't do it because they were part of ownership of the Pelicans team or whatever they were at the time, the Hornets? Yeah, the NBA owned a piece of the Hornets because I think it was before they were going to whatever new owner or new city they were in. So they turned down a trade and said, no, that's not allowed. And then now we see other trades that happen. It's like, so you're setting precedent. Would the NFL be setting a precedent there that they couldn't do that?

And how would they be able to do that? That's not the story. The story, though, is, is Darren Waller going to be a Green Bay Packer? Are they really that interested? And how legit are all these sources, we think? And I heard you say it earlier, oh, Darren Waller might be a Packer. We're all in on this. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you pinball right from the, and we heard you say it earlier, oh, Darren Waller might be a Packer. We're all in on this. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I mean, you pinball right from the, and we don't even know if there is like a Debo Sweet Stakes. He's a game changer, by the way. Yeah. Bingo, bingo. And I feel like Robert Tunyon was good, but Waller's a physical freak. The Packers haven't had a guy like that in, you know,

honestly, I don't think ever. I mean, not as athletic as he is like he is a true number one receiving option they're saying that the going rate would be like a second round pick potentially so we'll see i mean allegedly they are still interested i do i i mean i i trust you know nags i i trust him i think he's in good with the organization he's been doing it for a long time so he definitely knows people so if there were rumblings, I would lean towards – Had a baby nag? Yeah, I'd lean towards being like, okay, there's something there, but we'll see.

I mean, Derek Carr came out and quote tweeted it and basically said, like, never going to happen. But if they realistically don't think they could maybe get Debo, like this would be another way. Hey, if you can give up a second-round pick and get a guy like Darren Waller and you pay him, that's... Once again, I have to reiterate, Jarvis Landry is still a free agent. Yeah, true.

Imagine if Aaron Rodgers goes from having Devontae, who he is going to miss, to Darren Waller and Jarvis Landry and whoever else is on that squad. Yeah, Randall Cobb, Lazard. Aaron Jones in the backfield. Aaron Jones, A.J. Dillon. I mean, here weJ. Dillon. I mean, here we go. Tonya's supposed to be healthy again. And then if they do use one of those first-round picks

and get a receiver, you know, an explosive young guy who doesn't have to come in and be the number one guy right away, like that, I'd be in heaven. I'd be in heaven. This is what the draft week brings. Exactly. The draft week brings so much hope because your team could do, every team could do something on draft night to change the entire, you know,

vision of what the season's going to be. Tony, I saw you get rattled a little bit there as you were piecing some things together. I just realized that the Lizard King, Alan Lazard, is the Packers' number one wide receiver right now. Is that true? Hey, he's a player. Sure.

Hey, Lazard is a player. Caught the record-breaking touchdown. Hey, big guy. Big guy. Big body. Right. Caught the record-breaking touchdown. Big guy. Big guy. Big body. Right. Him and Darren Waller probably have a similar body type. They got to do something.

You can split out Aaron Jones. Need a speedster. Need one. Absolutely need one, which is why the Debo thing is so enticing as well. But, you know, it's obviously it's either one or the other, or they're definitely not going to get either. There's no way they're getting Debo and Waller. So Waller seems like a little bit more realistic in terms of what they would

be willing why would you give up darren waller if you're the raiders especially after all that you've gone in for like they've gone all in if they can afford darren waller why would they want to get rid of yeah i don't think they can afford him because he has like one year nine million left on his contract and next year obviously oh this is the classic let's get something for him right boom before we get nothing yeah but what you're getting whenever people say you're getting nothing is you're getting darren waller on the football field accounting for a double team davante adams accounting for a double team and then literally run fro anything else you want to

do for the rest of the fucking game you're not getting nothing go ahead he's got this year 6.8 next year is 7 million so he's there with him for two more years, two more seasons. The Raiders ain't moving on. But he's – Unless he asks for a lot more money. Right. And he's unhappy with the Raiders. But the tight end market, I mean, if you can afford –

Salahkab's not real. You can afford to fit a tight end in there somewhere. You're talking about the Raiders? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know why you would get rid of – He's been your entire offense. Unless he's asking for money like George Kittle or...

$100 million. Yeah. But even then... Or Kelsey. Backloaded. Who gives a shit? Yeah, so that's like a five-year deal then, $20 million a year. They probably don't have $20 million a year anywhere, right?

No. Because they just brought in a bunch of people. Yeah. And they want to bring back Renfro, too, because his contract's up after this year as well, and he doesn't have a fifth-year salary. K paid like 1918 1920 a year darren waller has oh yeah i believe the tight end university would be pumped if darren waller was like hey we got to go get this again because he's one of the guys oh yeah good for sure the potential to be it there's a lot of great tight ends in the nfl i think that is something that everybody realizes but there are a couple that have the ability to go break the bank and i think darren waller is

one of them because there's a few games there where he was the only target for like four quarters yeah all four quarters he was the only person getting the ball thrown to him because he was able to be lined up in every single every primetime game felt like a darren waller game every time they were on primetime it felt like dar Darren Waller was going to go. I had no idea he was potentially going to move. He's coming to the Colts then. You think so? I think he's coming to the Colts. Jack Doyle just retired.

They re-upped Mo Alleycox though. Okay, I don't care. Double him up. Boom, bang, boom. You guys signed literally two tight ends to Matt's contract up there in New England. I'm okay with Matt Ryan slicing and You guys signed literally two tight ends to Matt's contract. Huge deals. Up there in New England. So, I mean, let's not. I'm okay with Matt Ryan slicing and dicing down the seams with two tight ends. I'm going to complete.

Jack Delo just retired. It'd be perfect. Bring him in. Go on. Nick just sent in the franchise part of that tweet or whatever. You can't trade a player who hasn't signed their franchise tag yet for Devontae. Did they trade him to the Raiders? For a player? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, they're not allowed to be traded for

a player. So they just got the picks for him? Hmm. Oh, okay. An unsigned franchise player can have influence over his destination. Since a player... What the hell is that? Somebody playing the drums outside?

Yeah, no, there's been drilling all morning. Oh, really? Oh, they're back to. Somebody playing the drums outside? Yeah, no, there's been drilling all morning. A lot of... Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, they're back to fix this entire thing that they fucked up before. But they had to fuck it up because they had to put a bunch of stuff in the back. True, true. Tons of it. But their job is to fuck it up.

And while fucking it up, it's very loud. Very loud. Very loud. A lot of that. And it just so happens to be four feet behind that. Yeah, right on the other side of that. It was early this morning. And by the way, these are decisions that were made whenever we were just young company that was not

i mean i don't think we could have fathomed that they were just gonna tear up an entire used to be a parking lot there's no way no not really different now not a chance i'm happy they're evolving though oh yeah i'm not hey good on good building everybody it's incredibly loud oh yeah not very convenient for the only people that are tenants in the building they demo right above us like four times a month for whatever reason i think they're just like setting up a new set of me like if it doesn't look good and then just tearing it down pre-demo on it i like whoever's making that decision just not satisfied with the damn thing no gotta change like gotta change i like it. I like it. Always going to go forward this year. Yep, we'll get him.

That being said, I cannot wait to get to the Thunderdome. Oh, my Lord, I cannot wait to get to the Thunderdome. I know. You sent a mock-up in yesterday of what it might look like from the outside, too. It's going to look sweet. Unbelievable, yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a hit. See, that's like super positive.

That's a lot of fun. Yeah. That's what I should be worrying about is the blueprints of the Thunderdome. That's right. Something with the Thunderdome. We's right something with the thunderdome we are up some with thunder oh yeah that ain't changing thunder well it has a couple times oh yeah true it's causing me to know it's a thunderdome but pretty similar insights of all three of those yeah and thunderdome hits let's go to the franchise rules here on the franchise tagging an unsigned franchise player can have influence over his destination since a player with an unsigned tender can't be

traded until under contract. He essentially has veto power on where he's being dealt or at all. This gives the player a de facto no trade clause. Clowney was able to squash a trade to the Dolphins by refusing to sign his tender for a move to Miami. So he had to have

signed it, right, if he got traded? Yeah. Is it because they own the rights to him even though he is not under contract uh sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me i i think he because this is saying he had to sign regardless right to be traded he was trained in order to be traded he had to sign the tender so if you were to be traded you would have to sign the tender yeah you can only be traded if you're under contract because then that's the only then they have power over your rights if you sign the thing if you don't sign only then they have power over your rights if you sign

the thing if you don't sign the thing they don't have any rights over you because you don't have a deal because your deal is up the only deal you're being offered is a one-year fully guaranteed deal so if you don't sign that you don't have a deal although you're not allowed to go get a deal with anybody else which is why players fucking hate the franchise tag inevitably although i was franchise tag and i couldn't wait to sign it because it was two point something million dollars guaranteed i'm like i'll take that for sure. I mean, that's a lot of fun. So he had to have signed it to get traded, and then they just renegotiated his deal.

Yeah, and would he not sign it until they gave him the team that he wanted to go to? Yeah, and if it would have been the team that he wanted to go to, which was the Raiders, I don't think he would have. There would have been no issue with him being like, I don't know if you guys are getting there. What if Devontae says, no, I'm going to the Raiders, and Darren Waller needs to be my teammate over there? Oh. In the franchise tag contract? Yeah, I'll sign this if I get traded to the Raiders,

and you guys aren't allowed to get any better from it. Put it in writing. You can knock it, Darren Waller. I mean, I suppose that's possible. So what that person tweeted was not right. That person was just tweeting about trades in general, right? If what we just read, although the quash is not a word, right? That word was spelled wrong.

I thought it was qualm. But it said, I think it was. Yeah, squash without an S. Go to this. An unsigned franchise player can have influence over his destination. Since a player with an unsigned tender can't be traded until under contract. Yes. He essentially has veto power on where he's being dealt or at all.

This gives the player a de facto no trade clause. Clowning was able to quash. Quash is legalese to reject or void. Good word. Wow. So this person is much smarter. I thought they were spelling words wrong. They were introducing words to our life.

Good to know. We can trust this. I was on your side. Quash a trade to the Dolphins by refusing to sign his tender for a move to Miami. Okay. So it is not. So go back to that tweet from Jeff Howell. And Jeff Howell, this is not by the way,

there's more. There's another piece of information that says you can't trade a franchise tagged player for another player. Oh, whoa, that's in the next paragraph written by the same person. No, this is different. The fire had smoked previously in a piece

by the where was that last thing from? That was from – It looked like CBS Sports font. I'm just throwing names out there. His fire had smoked previously in a piece by The Athletic that said, the Packers initially wanted an undisclosed player from the Raiders, along with a first-round pick in exchange for Devontae Adams. The Raiders resisted that proposition,

but ultimately it didn't matter because they were informed by the league that a franchise tag player such as Adams is not allowed to be traded for another player. Oh, fascinating. So why'd the Packers even want that to happen if it wasn't able to happen? Are the Packers doofuses? Well, they don't have an owner, so probably don't know the rules.

Couldn't they just sign him to a one-year deal and trade him then? Instead of tagging him? Devontae would have to sign that. Yeah. Yeah, but I think you could just make that like the – that would be a lot of negotiating. Yeah, Devontae doesn't want to make the Raiders worse either. Well, yeah, but in this particular thing,

Devontae just wanted, it seems like, his money, whatever money he was going to get, and he wanted to go to the Raiders. So the Packers must not have known that. I wonder how often that happens, by the way, that people don't know about rules. Like the NBA didn't know, right, that Chris Paul could be. Yeah. I feel like sometimes in like the nitty, maybe people fuck things up. I don't know.

It sounds like the Packers didn't have a clue what the rules were there. Well, I didn't know. I mean, I didn't know that. Me neither. You'd hope that they would know that. But how often does this situation happen, I guess, then? It must not happen very often. That's what I was wondering earlier.

When was the last time we had just a swap in the NFL of whether it's one player for a player and picks? Do you think they go one for one there? No, I assume. No, no. The Packers were going to want picks, too, for sure. Yeah, along with the first round. It probably just would have been less.

It would have been like Waller first and a second, maybe, instead of like the litany that they got. Man, who would Darren Waller hold a grudge against? Would he hold a grudge against the Raiders for trading and giving something up? I'm not even worth it. Or for the Packers for asking for him and something else to be the same as Devontae Adams. I don't know. That would be an interesting mental, emotional, you know, fuck.

Like, well, you guys thought I was worth this and this and this and this. Well, I need $20 million now. At least. That's an interesting mind fuckery there. What were we going to say, Tom? The Colton Raiders just did a player for player. Gawkway for Rocky Sin, straight up. Boom.

Both were under contract. Neither were franchise tagged. So you can do that. That's old school. That is old school, baby. Well, the Raiders still come. I need a dryer. Give me Ed Monix.

Right now. What was that? What did he send down to Louisville? Washing machine. Washing machine. When I heard that Louisville needed a washing machine, I thought to myself,

well, we got a couple. Fucking semi-pro? Classic. A good movie. All time. There was a time in my life where I watched that like five, six times in a year. Fucking Semi-Pro. Classic. Classic. A good movie. All time. There was a time in my life where I watched that like five, six times in a year, I remember. And it was numerous years after it had come out. That's a fucking great movie.

Oh, yeah. I think that's Will Ferrell's top three. I think that's one of his most underrated movies that he's in. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know how he would have been as Dr. Bust. True. Not as good as John C. Reilly. Whoa, let's get to a break, dude.

You're on McKay's side? Sorry, Will. No, I'm on John C. Reilly's side because he is excellent as Dr. Buss. We don't know who Dr. Buss is, it feels like, or any of these characters. I just see John C. Reilly now. He's awesome. Yeah. Great, great actor.

I mean, perfect storm. But also, Jackie Moon just made an appearance with Clay Thompson. Yeah. Got him back shooting. Yeah. an appearance with Clay Thompson. Clay Thompson. Yeah. Got him back shooting.

Yeah. Two days before the draft. Spectacular. Hell yeah. A man that will be covering the draft for the NFL Network all weekend long. It is a joy to chat with him every time we get to on this show. It is awesome to watch him on TV because he always brings positive vibes, good energy, and he holds a football at halftime better than anybody else in the booth.

Ladies and gentlemen, NFL Network analyst, voice of Madden, Charles David. Yeah! What's up, man? Man, it's good to see you again, Pat, and everyone else there. Hey, guys, it's good to see you guys. Hey. Your good voices. Hey. Good to see you guys. Hey. Voices. Hey.

Hey. Hey. Hey, Joe. Yeah. Hey, real quick before we get started, Pat. I love watching what you're doing with WWE, the whole deal. Who was in the gorilla position that night? I just want you to know I'm up on some of this.

Look at you, that's a great question. That's a real insider question by Vince McMahon, obviously. He was in here earlier there. And it is a dream come true over there you're a wrestling fan pat i grew up when when i grew up it was the wwf yeah before the wwf they were still dividing up territories vince was doing a lot of the tv then as the as the play-play guy. The old man was still around, but they were in the process of taking over the territories, getting up into Canada.

Back then, it was the AWA, the NWA, the WWWF. Superstar Billy Graham, when he finally beat Bruno San Martino for the title. Bruno held it for about 8,000 years. I could go on and on. I remember growing up.

You're NWA territory down there, right? In the south? You were in the south? I grew up in New Paltz, New York, so I grew up in WWWF territory. But when I went down to school, now I was into the NWA, and I was the nature boy.

Yeah. And, you know, Wahoo McDaniel. I didn't know you were a fan. This is awesome. Yeah, let's go. It makes a lot of sense why't know you were a fan. This is awesome. It makes a lot of sense why I enjoy you as a human. By the way, I think you can tell whether or not somebody's into wrestling by watching them operate and how they

handle things. Usually a lot more positive when you just view everybody as a work. Everything's a work, basically. It's not good because there is reality that happens, but it's hard for me to get upset about that's a good bad guy. Ben Simmons right now, that's a good heel. He's not good because there is reality that happens. But it's hard for me to get upset about, that's a good bad guy. Like Ben Simmons right now, that's a good heel. He's a good heel right now.

Everybody hates him. Let's move on to the draft, though, Charles. We can't wait to hear your coverage, obviously. We have you on TV here during our Draft Spectacular. The number one overall pick, it felt like it was locked in for like two months. Now all of a sudden some sharps are betting on books and odds are changing quickly. Trevon Walker going to Jacksonville. Now Aiden Hutchinson probably going back to Michigan to Detroit.

What can we believe? What can we not believe? And what are your thoughts on the top of the draft, Charles? I think what you can believe is that it is a race between Trevon Walker and Aiden Hutchinson. I don't believe Ike Ikuonu and Evan Neal are involved in it, even though that was floated out there by the Jacksonville people, which was smart.

You keep the speculation going. You let everybody chew on it, talk about it. It keeps you talking about the Jaguars and the team, but I really think it's the two edge rushers. My first mock draft was probably a month plus ago, and in my first mock draft, I put Trayvon Walker my first mock draft i put trayvon walker

at the top and you can imagine the consternation it's not because any incredible insight all right it is when i do a mock draft i want it to be plausible meaning it can happen in other words all right i'm not gonna have the junkyard dog going number one in the draft when he's not ready to go. But number two, does it make some sense on some level? And it did because I've known Trent Baalke as a GM for a long time with the San Francisco 49ers. I've seen his drafts before.

Trayvon Walker fits the traits that he likes to draft. Guys who are on the move, rising up, great physical traits, and in his mind maybe he thinks his ceiling might be higher than Aiden Hutchinson's. We will find out. But I put it out there because it was a little bit different than others, and I'll be darned that over the last month, as you noted, it has gained momentum, and I think it's a real thing.

They're having that debate, and I'm leaning towards Trayvon Walker coming off the board first. Hey, how good does that feel, huh? Everybody puts out a mock, Charles. Everybody puts out a mock. I've got a third one coming out tomorrow. Oh! Hey, Mitt's got his fifth.

Fifth, yeah. Our office has one person that has made a mock draft this year. His name's Mitt. His dad actually is special teams coordinator for the Raiders now. He's grown up in the NFL. I mean, he's a little flabby. Tom McMahon is not my dad. No, no, that's Mitt's dad.

No, I know that. I knew that. I knew it was Mitt's dad. Yeah, yeah, it's Mitt's dad. Yeah, and he's been making mock drafts pretty good. Oh, yeah. Hey, pretty good, the amount of information that you can find on these guys. Post-show, can we exchange numbers? I need to get in on this. No, no, yeah. Hey, pretty good, the amount of information that you can find on these guys. Hey, post-show, can we exchange numbers?

I need to get in on this. No, no, no. Charles, we've got to introduce you to Mitt first. We don't need Mitt. And also, we don't know how Mitt's mock's going to do. How long have you been doing the mock draft? Ever since you started covering the draft? Is this one of your favorite things?

Pretty much. And, you know, every year I've got it down to where I do two to three a year now. You know, in the old days you would be mock 8.7.25, you know, every year I've got it down to where I do two to three a year now. You know, in the old days you would be mock 8.7.25, you know, and now I've got it down to about three, and I'm looking forward to seeing it. But I will say this. I'd be surprised if you meet anyone out there that has a really high degree of confidence in their mock. Yeah, this year's crazy, right?

This year's a lot different than most years, right, Charles? How long have you been doing the draft? This is my 16th year, I believe. This year seems to be a lot more uncertainty. Am I wrong in thinking that just because it's recency bias? No, you're not wrong. It kind of reminds me a little bit of 2013 when we only had one quarterback go in the first round.

That was E.J. Manuel. Geno Smith we thought was a lock to go in the first round, and he didn't go. And that was back when we had a Radio City Music Hall. And, you know, just like now, you're going to have the first round guys there. And sometimes you get fooled. And Geno didn't go on the first night. But to his credit, and, you know, everybody's got the cool suit for the first night, right? Oh, yeah.

No one has a backup. There's no backup suit. There's one suit. So Geno had the suit. And to his credit, he came back the second day they went out bought him like a sweater and a tie and he came back the second day when his name was announced he walked across the stage it showed me a lot of class because a number of guys when they don't get picked the first night they bounce and i'm not saying it as a criticism it's a tough thing to do but gino stayed my mind kevin

king in later years the corner for green bay he stayed came back the second day and he stayed when about four or five guys bounced and didn't stay so it tells me a little something about the kid i'm not dinging the others but i you do get an extra check mark when you hang around when when it's been a rough day for you yeah and I'm kind of torn not torn I don't think the guys should go like unless you're 100 sure because there's no reason to end up as that but also it's a dream come true you know like the draft is something that every single player that has ever played football since they were kids is dreaming about getting their name called into the nfl it is it is just certainty that everybody wants to be there and experience it but there's

obviously some you know embarrassing moments go back aaron had a long night baker mayfield no johnny manziel had that brady quinn geno smith brady quinn lockett you guys remember leland mcelroy out of texas a&m electric leland no he Electric Leland. He had a rough one, too, where he was the last one. He didn't go into the – I mean, it was a tough one, and it's heartbreaking. But this is where I give Commissioner Goodell some credit because starting with Brady Quinn, as the slides really begin, he will get them out of the line of fire. He'll get them away from our cameras and take them back into his personal room.

That's very nice of him. And he did that with Brady. Like that was the first time that happened where Brady was room. That's very nice of him. And he did that with Brady. That was the first time that happened where Brady was happening. All the cameras were on him. He sent his people. They got Brady, and then he finally got picked at 22 to Cleveland. But the tough part is when you think you're going top 10, top 5, and you go later, I still remember Brady's face.

I consider him a friend. I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but I didn't see any joy that day. The joy was washed away. When he got picked at 22, it was pure relief, and he looked like, what's the old expression? You know, rode hard and hung up wet.

It was rough, and I felt for him. We all did, because he was in that position where he thought he was going. That was the Ted Ginn year, where he thought he was going nine to Miami, and Ted Ginn got picked, and I felt for him. I mean, we all did because he was in that position where he thought he was going. That was the Ted Ginn year where he thought he was going nine to Miami, and Ted Ginn got picked, and the whole place exploded. Hey, that could happen this year, right? Nobody knows what's going to happen with the quarterbacks. No one knows. What is your feel on the quarterbacks?

Who's all going? Malik's going, I believe. Pickett's going. Corral's going, I think, to the draft. And then Ritter, maybe those four. But the over-under on quarterbacks drafted in the first round is a three-and-a-half, I believe. Kenny Pickett is not coming to the draft, I think, to the draft. But the over-under on quarterbacks drafted in the first round is a three and a half, I believe. Kenny Pickett is not coming to the draft, I don't believe.

I didn't see his name listed. I can't say with certainty on the others, but I'll tell you this. My speculation is this. The quarterbacks in last year's draft, you remember when we talked then, we knew those five were going,

and we figured 15 was the bottom number that all five would be gone. Oh, yeah. That's exactly when it happened. Matt Jones went at 15 to New England, and he gave that strut up to the stage, one of the great walk-ups to the stage ever. But we knew they were going. The only intrigue was when Chicago traded from 20 to 11 to get Justin Fields.

But that was really about it. It was just a matter of who went where. Carolina passed on a quarterback. Denver passed on a quarterback. Denver's rectified it by getting Russell Wilson. How does Carolina rectify it? Because Sam Donald doesn't look like he's working out. Do you now take a quarterback that you have a lesser grade on at six?

Do you try and get out? I don't know who your dance partner is. Who wants to come up to get a quarterback? I don't think there's anyone really that's desperate to say, I've got to go up and get this guy. So you don't have the same thing. So I feel like Carolina, my first two mocks, I gave them Malik Willis. I'm not confident in that at all. I feel like they, my first two mocks, I gave them Malik Willis. I'm not confident in that at all.

I feel like they're going away from quarterback. But Pat and guys, on draft night, if the person who signs all the checks walks in and decides he wants a quarterback, guess who gets picked? Now, that's what we have to find out on draft night. Are you able to hold your discipline, hold your board, like the famous story about Jerry Jones with Johnny Manziel's name in his hand, and they tackled him and wrestled it out of his hand and turned in Zach Martin? That actually happened?

That's the urban legend. I think we like the story so much we want it to be true. But let's be honest about it. Couldn't you see it happening? Yeah, Johnny, no matter what. Yeah, that would be awesome, especially Texas guy. Let's get him back in here. Bring him home. Families from oil money, I believe, just like my family.

Oh my God, he's supposed to be a cowboy. He is supposed to be a cowboy. I think what you're saying is echoing the sentiments of everybody. Nobody has a clue what the hell is going to happen in this draft. That's why night one could be interesting, could be boring. But for those quarterbacks that are going to the draft, everybody's going to the draft.

Good luck, Octavio. Hope you all get drafted number one overall. Go ahead, Ty. Charles, because there's not really that clear cut, like there's been people saying that this draft has very few first-round grades on guys. Do you think some teams are more likely, like we're hearing the Packers are interested in Debo Samuel and Darren Waller? Do you think teams are going to be more keen to trade for existing guys in the NFL?

Or do you think we're not going to see very many trades of current players? Well, I think we've got to take it outside of the realm of just where we are now. It's already happened. We've seen the trades. Devontae Adams has gone to the Raiders. Tyreek Hill's gone to the Chiefs. Russell Wilson got

his way out of Seattle to Denver, which is a big move. Trubisky has been signed by Pittsburgh. A lot of these moves have already happened. Can there be a few more? Baker Mayfield certainly hopes so. But I think that he has not helped his cause over the last two weeks, so it'll be interesting to see

what happens. Could he be Carolina's target? Could that be the one? Is Jimmy Garoppolo going to be traded? I'm not as bullish on that as before. They can handle the contract. The one I thought that would be in play that I've heard nothing about is Jordan Love and Green Beck.

Because I thought once they re-signed Aaron, would that now be the time that you tell me, hey, we've made Jordan Love available. By the way, everyone's great on Jordan Love for this year's draft. Would be higher than the guys who are in this year's draft. If you take last year's draft

and i'll speak just for me the top five quarterbacks that went ed and davis mills who went to houston that's six all of them would carry a higher grade than the first quarterback in this year's draft by evaluation charles what is that why is it seeing those what is it just talent you think not the not being able to get to the nfl the lower ceiling than everybody, what is it? What is it? Just talent, you think? Not being able to get to the NFL, the lower ceiling than everybody else? What is it about these quarterbacks that have such a lower score than years past? Look at last year's grouping.

And you've seen them up close and personal, haven't you guys? Is Justin Fields not a monster when he walks through the door? Hell yeah, period. When Trevor Lawrence comes through the door, once you get past the hair you realize he's six five 230 pounds he's a candidate going down the line with that we don't have that same this year malik willis is 220 pounds but he's six foot tall matt corral is a little bit

over six feet tall kenny pickett's big year was this past year where he had more touchdowns this year than he had the previous four combined in terms of throwing them. But I don't ding him for that. You know, Joe Brown blew up like that. Zach Wilson blew up like that. But physically imposing quarterbacks, not like

we had last year, they're more like Mac Jones in terms of physical stature. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay. Connor has it. But you saw how Mack performed, right? Yeah.

You put a team around them, you get results because those guys know how to play. Yeah, and when he fought a 15, by the way, it's a lot different than going number one overall in team quality in that entire. It changes everything. I think quarterbacks literally, they want the payment of number one overall, but every single one of them would like the team at 31. Dan Marino went in the mid-20s. Man, he had such a big release, too.

Oh, my God. Such a big release. Back at University of Pittsburgh, too. He had a good time. I wonder if he looked into that. That's probably why he fell into the mid-20s or whatever. Miami was a perfect city for him, though, for more women. Go ahead, Connor.

Yeah, Charles, with all the things you do, you also are the Madden analyst and uh no the oculus look i i gotta ask three two one the oculus actually just released a game for their vr headset virtual reality to play football and uh let me tell you it looks unbelievable are madden and the people over there kind of worried, shaking in their boots a little bit? And are we finally going to get the Madden game that you and we all know the people deserve? I wasn't shaking until now. Now I'm terrified. I would be. I had no idea.

And I'm not trying to be tongue-in-cheek. We've had this discussion before. What? You know what we do? But here's the thing. I do know that the guys and the women who are working on the game, they're trying to get there. They're trying to do all those things.

You keep throwing the Oculus at them, that's a heck of a motivator, isn't it? Here we go! Competition! Here we go! Competition! They got Lamar Jackson! If someone tells me they're coming for my job, I'm going to work harder. I'm not saying anyone's coming for anyone's job, but you hear competition i know that the ea sports people my colleagues

they're going to rise to the occasion and be ready to go i like that i'm excited for the madden community i i don't play but a lot of people do love it and it seems like every year it's the same thing now we got a little competition ea sports. Going to take that thing all the way up to the top. Let's get it. Hey, all right. Here we go. Charles, I love your mindset, man, by the way. And, you know, nobody's coming for your job, dude.

Nobody can do what Charles Davis can do. Nobody can do what Charles Davis can do. Hey, Pat, what was that thing in your left hand, that little pole you had? What is that? What's that? Like a baton. Yeah, that bad boy. It. What is that? What's that? This? Yeah, that bad boy. It's a black pencil. Ticonderoga number two.

It's funny, but I saw it. You know what I was thinking? What's that? Burgess Meredith is the penguin. Remember he had the long cigarette holder? No way I remember that. What is this? What is this from? The old Batman.

Oh, yeah. The extended smoker. No way I remember that. What is this? What is this from? The old Batman. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's like the old. The Extendo Smoker. Bingo. Cruella de Vil. Oh. The cigarette holder. I got it.

Now, this is just to throw around and write notes down, but the Extendo Smoke thing, I think I saw that on Titanic as well. Oh, yeah. Very classy. Very classy. They had that and Gene Rayburn with the long mic on Match Game. Remember that old one? Oh, yeah. And then Bob Barker also had that and Gene Rayburn with the long mic on Match Game. Remember that old? Oh, yeah.

And then Bob Barker also had that as well. Bob Barker. Hey, I don't want to give away too much movie magic, but I believe that does not work. What? How do they do it? What do you mean? Oh, you've got to be shitting me. Yeah, I don't want to do it.

I don't want to do this to people, but I have to. Yeah, that was just a prop. God damn it. The live mic. Yeah, the mic was right there on the shirt. Oh have to. Yeah, that was just a prop. God damn it. Yeah, the mic was right there on the shirt. Oh, no. We're going to hear about that. We just shattered dreams. I know. But I want everybody to feel the way I felt when I learned it.

I was devastated. I was absolutely devastated. I know how you feel. And right after that, they told you the Easter Bunny wasn't real. Whoa! Kids watch this! Did I say that? Jeez!

Is that on here? Is that on here? Let me guess. Charles Davis is going to go after a tooth fairy next year. I don't know. Ruin all the dreams, Charles. Go ahead, Tom. Charles, you as a former DB, I have to ask you,

because the steam is starting to pick up on Derek Stingley to go as the number one corner instead of Sauce Gardner. I assume you've watched the tape on both of these guys. Who do you see going first? I think Sauce is still going to go first because the body of work over the number of years in Cincinnati just kept descending. And people like, and I hate the word safe, because sometimes it damns a guy with faint praise, right? Safe doesn't mean you're not great, but they feel like he's taking care of business. He's on his P's and Q's.

He handled the combine and the posting interviews like a champ. Man, man showed up in a business suit. He did all the right things, plus performed. So I think that he's still going to come off first, but I think Derek Stingley's the better corner. I think he's the most talented corner in this draft. I think he reminds me of Marshall Lattimore coming out of Ohio State. And for people who are of a veteran vintage, Lem Barney with the Detroit Lions in terms of footwork and action.

The problem is that was 2019. 2020, 2021 were not the same. But he had a Liz Frank injury last year, a foot injury. I think a lot of people thought he kind of shut it down last year. Truth of the matter is he hurt the foot in camp, tried to go against UCLA in the opener, and it was a bad day.

And people never understood it. Truth starting to come out that he tried to play through injury. And by the way, did you see him, his pro day well he looks apart again and he's crying about it right charles that's a big deal i don't think he gets out of the top ten charles i think that's a big deal it's quiet that's just rolling out now it wasn't like he's making excuses about being injured that probably he took the hit he took

the hit pad and he moved on so you gotta give him credit for that he didn't come back and say well you know my foot was killing me that day he just just took the hit. Now it's out. People know about it a little bit more. It's starting to happen. But, you know, I go back with his father to arena football league watching his dad play. So, you know, you go back through all this, but I think he's the most talented corner in the draft. I think when he's on his game, he's the best corner in this draft. And that's no, no knock on sauce at all. He's terrific player but if you ask me i'm taking derrick stingley i don't think both i don't think either one of them gets out of the top 10 all right well good luck to all of the potential draftees we hope you all get paid and live your

dream good luck to you charles davis on tv out there in vegas it looks like you're already out there yeah yeah it's already out here ready and to go. We'll get some rehearsals and stuff in, and there'll be showtime on Thursday. Looking forward to it. Hey, you should go in there confident, Charles. Oh, yeah. Hey, you sound good right now, Charles. You sound good.

Thank you. The haze in the barn. Thank you. Let's get some road work in. Yeah, let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, NFL draft, NFL Network draft analyst. He'll be on TV all weekend with us, Charles Davis. Thank you, buddy. Yeah, Charles! He said Madden's getting better, analyst. He'll be on TV all weekend with us, Charles Davis. Thank you, buddy.

Yeah, Charles! He said Madden's getting better, too. He brings good news. That's huge because the game has been the same for about 15 years. Why don't you give him a fucking break on that, too? Look, I got to ask because if you don't ask, then how's it supposed to change, Tony? It's true. He's right.

I can't argue with him. That Madden's going to get better because the Oculus is coming for that ass. Hell yeah. That was a great question by Boston Connor. Always a snooper for the betterment of the Madden community, and we appreciate that with that beautiful mullet on your head. Ty Schmidt is here as well, sitting next to Connor at the toxic table. One half of the hammer.

Done. Cowboys 10 Diggs is here. His partner in gambling crime at Bubba Gumpino. How are you boys doing? Are you guys winning, losing? NBA 3-0 last night. The old first five kind of took me down last night. Tough night on the diamond, as they say.

Do these baseball pitchers still stink because they can't cheat anymore with that gorilla glue they're putting on their fingers? The checks have gotten pretty light. There is a rumor going around MLB that the ball has been deadened. with that gorilla glue they were putting on their fingers? The checks have gotten pretty light. There is a rumor going around MLB that the ball has been deadened. It's not juiced anymore. They killed the ball. The ball is dead. The juice ball errors.

Everyone's trying to do the launch angle, but now the ball is dead, so it doesn't work anymore. No more long balls. Hold on. I think, and this is going to sound incredibly arrogant, but I believe I was a part of announcing that the balls were juiced publicly with Tucker Barnhart, who was a catcher for the Reds. Yeah, Tigers, no.

So now he's with the Tigers. Golden Glove, I think he's working with. He has been, yeah. Yeah, from Indiana. Cool dude, too. Been able to hang out with him a few times. Obviously, he's a baseball player, so he's on the road for a thousand days at a time. And I think he lives in Arizona in the offseason like all the baseball players do, whatever the case is.

We get along. We have a relationship. Something happened in baseball. Had him come into the studio, and I talked to him. And he just casually said in the conversation, he's like, well, also, the balls are brand new that we're using. These balls, because he touches the ball every single pitch, he throws it back, and the balls are exploding. It's like a juice ball most are chatting about. That made some ripple effects on the internet.

And then it felt like five, six months later, it became like an entire investigation or something. Yeah, once the playoffs started, they basically confirmed, like, yeah, the balls have been juiced this year. So that was an entire thing, and pitchers hated it, I assume? Yeah, I mean, you're throwing that hard. The baseballs are juiced as is. There's going to be more home runs and stuff like that.

And then I think on top of it, when they started the whole spider-tack thing, it's like, well, if the balls are juiced and we can't do this shit, then there's got to be some sort of... Because they were glistening, right? They were a little bit more shiny, which means they were probably a little bit more slick, which probably means that they needed more of that sharp spider attack stuff or whatever it was. So that's what this offseason, they're like, all right, we'll get rid of the ball.

Since you guys don't have to use this anymore, we'll get rid of the juice balls. Now it's a dead ball. Now baseball stinks even more than it did before. Wow. I can't believe they fucking found a way to ruin it even more. Way to go, Bob. No juice balls. Now you know what you're going to get.

Boys will be back on the sand, which is in no time. Oh, you're saying, oh, we got some drink alone. Bring back the steroid era. Let's go. Joining us now, a man who appears to be on every single steroid possible, but he says no way. Joining us, college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion, and a COVID survivor.

Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hall. Yay! What's going on, A.J.? Hey, Goopy's right. Either let the dudes juice or have the balls juiced up, and that will, A.J. Hall. What's going on, A.J.? Hey, Goopy's right. Either let the dudes juice or have the balls juiced up, and that will bring more eyeballs to the sport. Yeah, let them use the little spider attack stuff, you know? The pitchers?

Yeah. Let them spin it. Let them spin it. It's got to be weird with the juice balls because every team, all of their pitchers hate it, but then all the batters are probably like, yeah, but it's pretty sweet to hit against these things. Hey, sorry about it. Sorry about it, dude.

But they're probably so slick, the balls. Because what? They're just juice, right? So, for instance, a kicking ball, you would like it to be much more inflated than deflated. You want this thing to be as hard as possible. Like, you know, whenever Deflategate was happening, everybody was chit-chatting about whether or not because I was in the, oh, did you get to feel the ball? No, because quarterbacks have their own ball and they have their own thing kicking ball you would want that thing as hard as possible if you have a strong leg if you don't

have a strong leg you want to be softer but you're wanting that thing to be juiced you want that thing to be beat up the leather to be you know very smooth very slick you want to be as filled up as possible so you can indent the bladder and send that sum of bitch as far as possible. And the harder it's indented, it's like a tighter rubber band, the more slingshot will come off your foot, the further it will go. So the harder the ball, the more juiced up the ball is. If you can indent the bladder and you have a strong enough leg to, that ball is going to go much further.

Probably just like baseball ball coming faster, that ball is going to go much further. So what did they do to the balls? They just had a completely different style of makeup of baseball, or were they rubbing them down, making them shine? Much harder? Is the core harder? Were they adding air to them?

Yeah, it must have had to be something like that. I never felt one or anything, but like Tucker Barnhart, if a catcher can feel it right away, like, oh, this baseball's different, then there's something going on. And who made that decision? Who makes the baseball here? Who is this? Wilson.

Wilson. So somebody from MLB had to go to Wilson and say, hey, this is what we're thinking. We're thinking make these balls just a little bit. And don't tell anybody about it either. Yeah, just make them a little bit better. So somebody had to make a whole decision to make an entire factory different, right?

The process of making the baseball. And then they just had to get rid of that now for this season? That's deep. No sport quite gets in their own way like baseball does. Well, I think they have to because it's so goddamn boring. We're talking about this. I mean, soccer kind of does as well. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Okay, so we were talking about all these things. So baseball, soccer, golf, all created when there wasn't shit fuck to do. You know? Hey, how do we make this as long as possible? That's kind of boring. Who cares? No clock. It's possible? That's kind of boring. Who cares? No clock. It's tough when there's not a clock. I know soccer has one, but they actually don't.

They play an actual 90. They don't want to stop the clock. Well, if the ref likes them or not. It's depending on the ref's judgment. How much time is left? I don't know. It depends on one guy. He holds all the control. They actually put up a sign and it says how much time is left before it hits 90 minutes.

Yeah, but I believe when do they put the sign up? At 89 minutes? 88. 88. And I believe the ref does make that decision, by the way, because of his clock that he has.

But refs make decisions in all sports. Can you talk to the ref? Can you talk to he or she? Yeah, you can ask him. How much extra time do we have? You can go, how much time we got? How much extra? You can ask during the game.

Remember that guy doing that? Uh-huh. Okay. Hold on. I'm finding that. Okay.huh. Hold on. Fighting that? Okay. Okay. That guy was awesome.

I think the refs in soccer are much more approachable than other sports, but they get handsy with the refs in soccer. There's a lot of, hey, we ain't going to do shit because we are soccer players inevitably, but, hey, we're going to get up in this type of thing. Oh, yeah. Disagreements. And then, ah, you know, full flop around. But anyways, all those sports, so long, so boring.

And that's because literally life outside of that was much more boring at the time. There was nothing else to do. So baseball, adding the juice balls, I think was their answer to the summer of steroids when everybody loved baseball. They're like, oh, everybody wants to see home runs. Let's figure out a way not for them to eat all these things. Here we go. This is a normal ball.

You have a outer yarn. Then you have a cotton thread outside of an outer yarn. Then a middle yarn. Then you have the center and an inner yarn and a pill. Average weight 25.34. Then the juice ball. Live ball. The center gets bigger.

Go back to the other one. Go back to the other one. Go back to the other one. Does that look bigger, the pink? No, the ball is lighter. This part is heavier on the outer yarn. So they had to do a full research on this. You could also fuck with the

laces. If the laces are higher, there's more drag. I was reading about it. And also, if there's not as many laces, you don't get the same spin rate. So this was an entire strategy, though, by the MLB that they had to go to Wilson to do and tell nobody about it. Yeah. Baseball's the best, dude. Baseball is the best.

Why? There's another sport that needs to be a reality show. Instead of playing the games on primetime, just do the reality show of all that shit. And have Bob go to Wilson and and say no cameras no cameras we need the balls to fly further tell you what if you uh peel open a baseball and you hit the middle part that thing goes a country mile also trying to get it closer to the middle part yeah if you i mean it takes a long time if you peel off the cover and unravel the fucking all the strings hey does corking your bat actually work? Remember when guys were doing that and they would check their bat?

Like Sammy Sosa, I believe, got caught once. I think it makes your bat lighter but still is powerful. Yeah, it jumps off the bat a little bit more, but I don't think it was ever that big of a deal. Next year, the Home Run Derby, they should use metal bats. How? Go hit the ball 9,000 miles. Oh, my God. Metal bats are crazy.

Like, kids, my son's in third grade. He used a scrub bat. There's kids that use $400 bats on his team. Where's it at next year? Is the stadium right by a river? You put that thing with a river in the backdrop, like if that was in Pittsburgh and people were just bombing it into the boats. Yeah, San Fran.

What a home run derby that would be. Yeah. Hey, AJ, look at you thinking for them. Dodger State. I mean, they might not get enough outs, though. They would hit it like their pop-ups would easily go out. All right. Cool. Let's move along.

There's a lot of talk about baseball. Baseball stinks. They don't do outs anymore. What do you mean? World Series is right around the corner. 150 games from now. Give or take a little less

147 for each team for each team can't watch the Reds are going to be there it's going to be awesome well the owner actually said

what the fuck are you going to do about it if they're not what are you going to do you're not going to watch me anymore if we continue to stink oh fuck you who are you going to be a fan of nobody

alright do it got nothing else in this city when the Bengals are done so shut the fuck up that's what the owner said that's what your reds owner said that's what your guy said that's not it's not my reds owner but yeah he is the owner of the team right now he's the son of the owner right uh yeah yeah but he's part of it i think yeah he's next in line yeah he's people want marge shot back wasn't she a bad person bring pete rose back she had a lot of questionable things wow it feels like a lot of owners.

Yeah. She had a big dog she'd bring around, though, I used to see. Really? I don't know who you're talking about. This is the previous owner of Red's? Back in the day, back when they were rolling, yeah. She's a good owner, though. Don't let him take you down.

This gets very toxic. Do not. She was not a good owner. No, I'm not saying anything good about her. Oh, so the dog did something, obviously. There's no reason for him to bring up the dog. She was a real piece of shit. What'd she do?

She said and did a lot of terrible things. Why? What's your deal? Why do you always got to walk me down these things that I don't know anything about? Okay. This is a very Pittsburgh-centric show, so a lot of things you talk about, oh, Maple Avenue, Dick Hockey, okay, cool. Maple Avenue.

When I grew up as a kid, I would remember seeing and hearing people like can you believe march shot like this is crazy like what she would do and say i don't even know all the specifics but i know she did and said things that you know were not that great with maple avenue i don't know what that is but let's get back to march okay greenfield ave thank you what the hell is that i mean that is big mike used to reference that a lot that is something all right but that by the way you you were making fun of this show, and then you referenced something that happened at the Packers. Okay, neither here nor there.

Don't have to pick apart flaws in your argument, but let's talk about Marge here. Marge was the owner of the Reds. Despicable woman. I think her husband owned it, died, right? Yeah, I believe so. So she inherits it now. Look at me, just like Ted Lasso's team.

Yes. Over there. Yes. Okay, I'm just like Ted Lasso's team. Yes. Over there. Yes. Okay, I'm the captain now. And she was a bad owner. What'd she do? She said terrible things about her own players. Yeah, I think she's very, very racist, for one.

Jesus Christ. But she's deader than shit now, so. Thank God. You know? C'est la vie. Well, that's like this. I'm surprised the son didn't say this and his, like, owner. Well, you want Marge back?

Yeah. I'm surprised he didn't. For real. With how he was going. That's his next promo coming. Bob Nutting, the owner of the Pirates, he just, he's completely quiet and lets everybody else. Yeah.

Yeah. He just lets them get beat 16 to nothing. Marge is 21. Oh, I ended up being 21. 21 to nothing. Yeah. Boys are 8 and 8. Hey, yeah. They lost 16 to nothing. Marge is 21. Oh, it ended up being 21. 21 to nothing. Yeah. Boys are 8 and 8. They lost 21 to nothing.

Wait, that was a baseball game happen? That was 21 to nothing. One bad game. The Cubs beat the Pittsburgh Pirates. One bad game. One bad game. We were at 8 at least. The other ones, I mean, 8 and 8.

Pirates stink. Sell it, team. Anyways, what the fuck are you going to do? He's still a Pirates fan. This guy, there's no reason for him to be a Pirates fan. Diggs likes sports he likes competition loves the city of Pittsburgh he should hate everything

that this nutting guy has done to the Pirates but just like the owner of the Reds said what the fuck is Tom going to do you going to root for another team

he's not that's kind of how it goes yeah owner stinks but I love the team can you name four guys on that team right now yeah

Jason Kendall he's not on our team right now? Yeah. Jason Kendall. He's not on our team right now. I wish. Barry Barnes. Jason Kendall right now. Those are glory days. A.J. Burnett. Oh, man.

McCutche. Yeah. Put that on a squad. Starling Marte. Fucking Polanco. Josh Bell. Josh Bell. Jeez Louise, dude.

Neil Walker. Hey, he used to hit a ball country. He used to use a metal bat and that ball would oh yeah neil walker pittsburgh kid made good uh let's talk about some nfl stuff john lynch okay actually we should talk about the packers first the packers allegedly were asking for darren waller as well as a first round pick alongside uh it for davante adams now it's coming out via reading the news and clauses and everything like that, that a franchise tag player cannot get traded

for a basic-ass, regular-ass on-contract player. It is in the rules, so it would have been nixed to begin with, but allegedly that's what the Packers were asking for because the tight end market, obviously lower than the top-end wide receiver market, they would be okay with paying Darren Waller, which is what you would have to do,

not okay with paying Devontae Adams, and you get a number one wide receiver market, they would be okay with paying Darren Waller, which is what you would have to do. Not okay with paying Devontae Adams. And you get a number one wide receiver in return. Now that obviously did not happen. The rumors of it still potentially taking place, maybe on draft night or out there. Ty Schmidt's getting excited. I believe Packers fans are getting excited. And Derek Carr said, LOL, put your little fucking cheese heads on a sad face because there's no chance of that happening. AJ, your thoughts of this entire thing? That's a game changer if the Packers were to get him. And there has to be some sort of fire

with all this smoke that's coming out from this. I would hope, or maybe, I mean, first off, does Derek Carr have that power to shut down a trade if someone, or shut down like this happening? Yeah, one tweet, dude. Josh, the play is great. When this was popped up, I was probably like, Ty, I got excited. I was like, you know what?

I started picturing Waller running routes up the seam and just whoever they put on him, he's creating huge issues and opening up other parts of the offense. So I think it would be awesome if they could make it work, but I'm sure it's a lot more difficult than we think. Hey, Darren Waller. Draft night, Friday night trade, maybe during the spectacular. They said a second rounder is what they're thinking it will cost.

$6.8 million and then like $7 million or something the next two years. I forget what the exacts are, but it's not a lot of money. He's going to want to renegotiate that. We assume that is why he is leaving or thinking about leaving the Raiders because if you're the Raiders, why would you ever fucking move on from Darren Waller? You just got Devontae. Now you've got two guys that are going to command a double team, and you've got Hunter Renfro and Josh

Jacobs in the back. And Derek Carr's on a new contract and offensive line. Why would you want to get rid of him? I guess it would mean that he's probably looking for a new contract now. Like, hey, I deserve a lot more than I'm currently being paid. And maybe the Packers can afford it. Maybe they can't. But Jarvis Landry's still a free agent. Darren Waller over there. Lazard, who's a dog.

He's over there. I mean, that all of a sudden becomes a very, like, oh shit, the Packers offense is all the way back even though they lost the best wide receiver in the game. That is just what the draft brings, though, that type of hope, AJ. Like, that type of hope is in a lot. Like, for instance, why don't we fucking bring in Darren Waller? And then we get

Jarvis Landry, and then we got Mo Alley-Cock still there, Jonathan Taylor in the back. I mean, there's like so much of that. Are you saying all you have to give up for Darren Waller is a second-round pick? That's what they were saying, allegedly. Those are the reports. I'm doing that right now. Right yesterday.

Yesterday, AJ. Hey, yeah, don't worry. We'll take care of you, too, after this season. We'll most likely re-up you as well. Yeah, you'll say that? You'll tell him that? Or you'll actually do that? It sounds like you were kind of setting him up.

He has two years left. No, you come out here and you are Darren Waller. You're going to get the deal you deserve. Actually, here's a deal. Here's the exact deal you will get. We will even modify it for the current climate of tight ends. If you get this amount of yards, this amount of touchdowns, we accomplish this.

Here's the deal you will get. We cannot give you that right now because we don't know you. We have no idea. Hey, how are you going to like Green Bay? Are you going to fucking like being in Green Bay? It is very cold up here. Is it just going to become something that's okay and then move along? I feel like that would be fair, but nobody would agree to that.

They want the deal before they get traded, I think. Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, for sure. That's what I assumed. Packers fans obviously would be ecstatic with getting him. They picked up another second-round pick from the Raiders. But like you said, why would he want to leave unless he's unhappy with what he's being paid right now? And you would assume that whenever this trade is completed, that he's going to want a new deal right away.

And I was always thinking that the Packers weren't going to do this, but people keep saying, well, they offered to pay Devontae, so maybe they will actually look into doing something like this. Mark Marvin said draft night could get interesting. Was that after the Devontae Adams trade, Darren Waller thing fell through? I thought it was after. It definitely was after Devontae got traded. Mark Murphy spent all last offseason sending emails telling the Packers fans,

Aaron Rodgers is a bad guy. This offseason, he learns that he may be trading Devante adams for uh darren waller the league says can't happen mark murphy then says to everybody hey draft night could get interesting okay don't you worry about that wow darren waller to the packers draft night that's crazy yeah that would be insane and then charles davis just mentioned it you know no one else has really said it but then there was also a report that came out today who knows how accurate that is that the Falcons might be in trade talks for Jordan Love because, like you mentioned, Jordan Love's got a higher grade this year than any of the quarterbacks. Oh, draft night could get interesting.

We'll see. Hey, we'll have Aaron Rodgers on the Draft Spectacular. At what point in the draft is TBD? Okay. When do you think his best? Do you want to have him on when the Packers pick? That's what I thought. That was my initial thoughts.

But does that potentially? First pick or second pick? Or both. That would be like a two-hour appearance. I mean, also, you never know. What if we have him on before then, and then all of a sudden the Packers trade up and he's on the show while they're picking? We don't want him to be on the show while the pick happens, right?

Just out of friendship? That's what I thought. Yeah, I mean. What do you think, AJ? I don't know. Do you think he would care? I doubt they're going to trade up and draft a quarterback this year, but you never know.

He's your best friend, dude. Hey, think it interesting, Mark. Wait, you guys saw what we did with Jordan as well. Wait until you see this shit. Kenny Pinkett. Give me Kenny Pinkett. So, allegedly, the Wunderlich test isn't a real thing anymore. The NFL's not using it, which is cool, I guess.

I don't know. Are they still taking it? So, people could elect to take it or not. How do these scores get out and how accurate are the scores that get out i i would like to know that as well because i saw a couple scores from this year's quarterback class that we don't need to broadcast just yet because let's talk about this or not how do these scores ever get out because back in the day when the wonder like was forced upon everybody it was like nobody's gonna know this but the nfl teams and then all of a sudden

some fake scores got released and it was like well is that trying to paint the image that this guy isn't as smart as he is and is that all a smokescreen because another team wants him it was almost always utilized as a weapon against the player is that why the Wonderlic was taken away you think because I assume there was some good stuff you could find out from that test with people I guess but I mean what are they worried that they're going to embarrass guys or change their their draft status if it does leak out? But do we even know if any of the numbers that ever leak out are like official that someone really confirmed this is what they got? And I think that's the problem with it completely, because every year numbers get out every year. It's what the players tell people to a lot of times.

Like, what'd you get? I got I don't think so. I got one less than perfect. Well, I don't think so, because the numbers that usually perfect. Well, I don't think so because the numbers that usually get out are the ones that make guys look bad. Yeah. So I wonder if the NFL and the NFLPA came to an agreement and were like, the only time anybody ever hears about the Wonderlic test is whenever it's used against one of our players.

Why would we continue to have our guys use it? It was never – you remember Pat something from Harvard got a perfect score. Patrick – Ricard? McMahon? No. I mean, you remember like Pat something from Harvard got a perfect score. Patrick. Ricard? Mick, no. Somebody from Harvard got a perfect score, allegedly. Never hear that talked about. Right.

Ryan Fitzpatrick. No, Fitzpatrick didn't get a perfect score, did he? No, it was Pat McAnally, who's a punter. Thank you, Mick. Thank you, but Ryan Fitzpatrick did go to Harvard. Yeah, Patrick McAnally, who's a punter. Thank you, Mitt. Thank you. But Ryan Fitzpatrick did go to Harvard. Yeah, Patrick McAnally is his name? M-C-I-N-A-L-L-Y. Yeah, he got, like, a perfect score. Nobody even knows he exists.

So, like, the good, the best Wunderlich of all time, nobody's ever talked about. But you'll talk about Vince Young's Wunderlich. You talk about everybody else's Wunderlich. And this year, there's a couple quarterbacks that are low. And I'm like, is this dude just a big, dumb dipshit? Or is this number

completely false to try to bury a guy? And I think that's why the Wonder Lake was maybe taken away from the whole process. Do players have the option to take it now? Do you have to pick one or the other? Is there another test? I know, wasn't it Justin Fields that had some test that he did really well on that they've been giving guys lately? Oh, that's the Goldman standard.

Yeah, that was just done privately, though. That was out there at the quarterback summit. So why would you take the Wonderlic, though, if it's optional? Why would you waste the time? Because I wonder if they're painting it as you don't have to take it. This guy likes to compete. Okay. Allegedly, some teams still like to have that information.

Which, by the way i if i'm putting a team together i would like the wonder like but i'm also not going to leak the score and try to ruin somebody's thing but i think the wonder like is a pretty good you know somebody's too low they can't read that's just if they either didn't read the questions or they can't read and either way not a good situation but at least you understand what's going on if the score is in the middle it's like okay maybe their critical thinking is a little you know maybe they're either a slow reader or their critical thinking isn't that great but if somebody scores a pretty good score it's like all right on a 15 minute time clock in a time crunch

they were able to figure out pretty standard you know piece together questions without overthinking it able to make decisions like my brain was right in the right spot for wonderlick like i am a i was a good wonderlick taker and i think it's like critical thinking test taking stuff like that i think you can't get from it but only fucking negatives are always said about like as soon as i saw the list today yeah it was sent into the group text my first thought i looked down at the bottom this fucking idiot. Guy's a big dumb dipshit. What is this guy?

That's the only time it matters, I feel like. If someone has a great score, like, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, they should have a good score. And then if it's a terrible score, they're like, okay, we have to be worried now. So it's almost like a lose-lose. Yeah, I hope players just say, players are going to get bullied into taking it regardless.

Players say, put me on the board. You think I'm dumb? Put me on the board. Tell me what you want. You want me to draw up what? Offense, defense? I'll do whatever you want. That's what the Wunderlich should be.

They should change it to that. Well, I think they do that as well. They do that. In the meeting rooms, they do that to guys. Yeah, they'll put them on the board. Because remember, they're trying – back in the day, there was like no rules trying to get the amount of information that they were trying to get. Wunderlich, this board, the questions we're going to ask you are going to be absurd. We're going to try to learn as much as possible.

Now it's becoming all mandated and regulated, but guys are still trying to earn a job. So if a team's like, hey, will you take this? We had blah, blah, blah, take it. We had blah, blah, blah, take it. We're wondering if you would take it. Like, every guy's going to take that. You know, every single guy that is looking for a job is going to take it. Interesting, the whole process there.

John Lynch says he can't ever imagine wanting to move on from Debo. But the issue is, he said wanting there and not needing to. You know, Ian Rappaport's been talking to us at length about this entire Debo Samuel situation with the San Francisco 49ers. And Ian Rappaport reported that at the pre-draft press conference, 49ers GM John Lynch was asked about wide receiver Debo Samuel. As part of his response, I can't envision a scenario where we would move on. And also, he's just too good of a player.

Yeah, it's true. He can't envision a scenario right now. But I'll be damned if in the NFL scenarios don't just pop up out of the blue. Yeah. And things happen all the time. We're not saying that John Lynch is looking to move on from Debo. There's no way their team gets better if you lose Debo Samuel. Nobody is saying that.

But the last time we chatted with Ian Rappaport, he listed off like three to five reasons on why the San Francisco 49ers could potentially look at moving on from Debo. And I wonder, whenever we listen to him, we're like, oh, that makes sense. He doesn't want to be there. Okay, that makes sense. He doesn't want to be there. Okay, that makes sense. They can't pay him. That makes sense.

They feel like they have to move on anyways. Okay, that makes sense. And they're going to get something in return as opposed to just, you know, him leaving the roster. That makes sense. That could all easily be how John Lynch paints the picture to his fan base after he trades Debo Samuel if he has to. So I'm not saying the Debo Samuel situation is signed, sealed, delivered, he's gone.

But, boy, it really does feel like Debo's probably on the move, AJ. Well, John Lynch, I mean, it's probably smart what he said. He's kind of protecting himself because he obviously, I guarantee you, he wants Debo back, but he may already know. He knows more than we know, so he may know, like, hey, it's not looking great right now for Debo wanting to be on this team. So at some point, he's going to have to really start entertaining those offers. And they're in the middle.

They're in the middle of negotiating with Debo probably. Now, granted, there was no offer on the table. But publicly, everything Debo says is going to the Niners, and everything the Niners say about Debo is going right to Debo. So if he says he's too good of a player, I couldn't envision us moving on. That's him also, I think, trying to recruit Debo Samuel back into the fold maybe. You know what I mean?

Maybe whatever team trades for him, do they have to trade for the owner of that club as well so that guy can go there and run a club wherever the new city is? Francis McAnally or whatever his name was? No. Francis Martinelli. I was close.

Patrick McAnally Perfect wonderling Yes He's a punter quarterback I think Not just punter Was he a punter? Wide receiver

Oh wide receiver Freak athlete this guy Francis I believe Had a pretty good Wonderling too When it comes to Running a club 12 years that place

Yeah so That guy can also do it In Miami In Miami That's not an easy Place to survive It's a club town And it's 12 years in And it's still an easy place to survive. It's club time.

And it's 12 years in and it's still going. That place was packed. Debo's in there hanging out. Yeah. No big deal. He's probably not the only one. I wonder if Tyreek maybe and two of them, you know, strolled on down there. Oh, Francis would have had it on camera. Oh, that's true.

He would have been in the club. Yeah. We know him and all. That's a great point. You think Debo's moving on? I think if the Niners really like somebody who's a wide receiver and they can get them in the top ten and Debo doesn't want to play for them, then you probably have to. Todd, you think Debo's moving on?

Yeah. Todd, you think Debo's moving? No. Wow. A nay in the barn. Make him sit. He's too good. Four Niners aren't going to let it happen.

Really? I'm with Tony as well. I'm with you guys. I'm with Hammerdown guys. Really? Yeah, you guys are champions. I'm going to let it happen. Really? I'm with Tony as well. I'm with you guys. I'm with Hammerdown guys. Really? Yeah, you guys are champions. I'm going to ride with you. The Hammerdown boys are some good gamblers.

They're good gamblers. Champions of gambling. I mean, honestly, I mean, first five got them, but we're trying to learn a new baseball here. Do we have odds on where Deebo's going? Because I'd like to gamble on it. Didn't the Fandle put out odds where we're not allowed to gamble? Right.

They're not allowed to put because it's regulated too hard. But if they were to put out odds from the irishman that was on the show yesterday john sheeran who hey he gave out his pick this morning did you see that on twitter no who john sheeran the head odds maker for fando were you on with him yesterday yeah what pick did he give out oh he liked ayton uh to score 20 and a half or more tonight at minus 110 because he felt bad about how bad he buried the Hammerdown boys on the show. So he said, here's my favorite pick of the night or whatever. And then as soon as we could read the tweet, his book, the one that he's the head of, already moved it to 21.5. He was like, oh, I love it at 20.5.

And then he got a Fando Sportsbook. He goes to 21.5. It's like, hey, no shit, pal. All right, John? He's like, oh, sorry about it. You know, sorry. Got to do your thing. They moved it back to 20 and a half because we did complain.

And that is, you know, good power by him. He has the ability to do that. That's why when he comes on and makes a pick, we have to assume that he's probably right. He has a good feel for something. Well, I better not be wrong. Because if I'm promised a layup like that, you know, he said he had that great stat, like he took 34 shots in his last game. If that doesn't hit tonight,

I'm going to have some questions for John Sheeran. Oh, the next time he comes on, on Hammer Don, he's not coming back on this show. No way. No way. He's a good guy, but I would like to take every dollar from him.

A guest joining us here in the next coming moments is awesome. Did you hear about this? Did anybody give you a heads up? That Bob's coming? Yeah. Did Bobby text you? No. Zito texted me. Okay is awesome. Did you hear about this? Did anybody give you a heads up? That Bob's coming? Yeah. Did Bobby text you? No.

Zito texted me. Okay, awesome. Well, no, I didn't know if Bobby, as soon as I texted him, just sent you a text. Yeah. Not about this, no. Not about this. Not that he's coming on.

I mean, I saw Bob a couple days ago. I talk to him all the time. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now, the man who saved Big Ten football, the general. He has a morning show in Columbus. He works for OutKick, I believe, on the internet. Ladies and gentlemen, the newest owner of a heating, plumbing, air conditioning, HVAC company in Columbus, Ohio, also electricity, ladies and gentlemen,

General Bob Crpenter. Yeah! Boys. Boys. Oh, geez. General. I'll give you the salute. We got it.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, General. Hey, thanks for saving Big Ten football a couple years ago, General Bob Carpenter. We really appreciate the way you rallied the troops. Hey, Mr. McAfee, I'm

pleased to have done it. I'm almost as pleased as I was to get a chance to watch you out there in the ring showing off some athleticism that I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't know that you had that. And frankly, I don't know if I could even do some of that stuff anymore. So man, I'm giving you

a salute on that one. Oh, thank you, Bobby. I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't know if I could even do some of that stuff anymore. So, man, I'm giving you a salute on that one. Oh, thank you, Bobby. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm a little, you know, I'm a quiet athlete. I just keep it quiet, you know, because I've spent most of my life around much greater athletes. So I just kind of, you know, I just do my thing, slip in, slide in. I appreciate you for watching, though, General Bob. I'm sure big Tarzan Carpenter could get his big ass out there.

Flip around, couple peacocks out there. I'm sure the body's still got it. Especially, I saw the ad you did on the internet. You're like a 25-year-old all of a sudden again, aren't you? Well, you know, I try to stay feeling good. I try to stay in shape. I got to keep up with my man AJ. I mean, that might be your next quest, Pat,

to see if you can find a way to get AJ in there, coming out as your ring guys, and as some sort of tag team support at the next big event. I know he tries to play it straight, but we won't let him be the straight guy. He'll be the heel just like me. Yeah, oh, Bob, you're the heel. Bad guy. Sometimes you need a good bad guy, and General Bob's joining us here

from Columbus, Ohio. I guess Wilson and Olive are the two top wideouts in this entire class. You had eyes on them, obviously, for the last couple years. What are your thoughts on the Ohio State class this year going into the NFL? And what are your thoughts on the draft as a whole as a former first-round draft pick

to the Dallas Cowboys? I'm so happy about that. 25. Yeah, you know, both the guys, they're really good. And that's obvious, they're mocked in the first round. But they're a little bit different. Garrett Wilson, he's kind of, I would say, maybe a little bit more of a complete receiver.

He's great with the ball in his hand, great run after the catch. You can watch him go contest at high point footballs everywhere. I was a little concerned about his speed coming out, but then I watched him go run a 4-3, and I'm like, all right, well, that's pretty much gone. And then you look at Chris Alave. He has great linear speed. He's phenomenal at the top of his routes.

After 10 yards, the guy can dust anyone. He does a good job in his short-range stuff, too. But he's one of the elite deep ball trackers that you're going to find coming out and probably coming out in the last five to six years. So both of these guys are going to make two teams and two quarterbacks extremely happy. Bob, I know you, of course, you cover all different Ohio sports on your show.

You talk about the Browns a little bit. Do you have any idea what is going to happen with Baker Mayfield? Interesting there, Bob. Well, number one, you know, I hope that he can recover because his statue, the likeness of it is about as good as Cristiano Ronaldo's. I'm going to do a side-by-side with those. That thing was brutal. He had the sleeve on his head.

You couldn't see the sleeve. The sleeve. Yeah, it was the sleeve. I don't know if it's still helping that much. That's a rough... He's got a statue, though. Yeah, a statue. that is a terrible statue the thing is that's the problem

you're going to be dead and gone Pat and that statue is still going to be there that's how people are going to remember you so when we get a statue of Pat McAfee we're going to have to make sure that thing is looking a lot better you want it to be an enhancement of yourself well that ain't going to happen if I get a statue people are going to tear that thing down pretty quick

and kick that thing right in the face. But that whole Baker situation has been fascinating. Aside from the statue looking nothing like him, and that not being his fault, it being the artist's fault, but there's been a run here of interesting situations for Baker Mayfield. Last season, he's incredibly injured, right, but he plays through it, plays every game. They stink.

They're supposed to make the Super Bowl. They got dads of players on the team saying, get my son the fuck out of here. Then that guy goes and wins the Super Bowl somewhere else. I mean, it has been bad, bad, bad. Then the offseason comes. There's a little bit of a disagreement. He wants traded.

They say we don't care. $230 million to another guy to play your position. We don't care if you want to be traded. This is something that I'm not sure anybody could be built to handle, but Baker Mayfield, the way he operates, certainly not built to handle this, I don't think. With the chip on his shoulder, how he is himself, he's naturally going to be emotional.

It's just a very interesting situation that involves $18.5 million, and nobody has the answer right now, I think, not even the Browns or Baker Mayfield. Bob, do you feel the same way? It's amazing's amazing pat that you picked up the chip on his shoulder and that historically for athletes you know guys are sitting here when you feel like you've been disrespected it's a great thing but here's the problem with baker he was the walk-on and then you earned a scholarship you know transferred around he was never supposed to be the guy but then he wins a heisman trophy and then ultimately becomes the number one overall pick.

At that point, Pat, you're no longer the underdog. You can't have the Tom Brady, the Tony Romo chip on your shoulder. Heck, you can't even have a chip like Aaron Rodgers, who fell almost to the end of the first round. You went number one overall, and you were the Heisman Trophy winner.

I think his biggest problem is he never adjusted his mentality. Like he still had like everybody's out to get him deal. But, dude, you're the man. They've coronated you the man. You just got to act like a leader. And so he's maneuvering through this right now. The reality is that $19 million, I don't think anybody wants to pay for it.

So if the Browns trade him, people that I've talked to in the NFL who need quarterbacks, they're looking like, hey, if we're going to trade for Baker, they're going to have to eat at least 10 or more million of that because we can't justify playing a guy right now who's on a one-year deal when we could go maybe draft another quarterback who we think maybe isn't quite as good, but it won't have the high price tag that we're going to have to pay this year. So I think this trade won't probably happen until maybe after day one or day two, or heck, it might have to pay this year. So I think this trade won't probably happen until maybe after day one or day two or heck, it might have to wait until the summer until they realize maybe some of

the drafts, it doesn't work out. They only got 1 million invested in Deshaun Watson next year. So maybe they're taking into account that they're probably gonna have to pay Baker's salary regardless if he's on the team or he's not on the team, but barring a suspension, which could come, I guess, at any moment for Deshaun Watson, they got Jacoby Brissett there as well that they brought in. You'd assume that they're comfortable with him maybe playing instead of Deshaun. Fascinating to see how it all plays out. And I don't envy Baker Mayfield's position at all, but that's a fascinating take by you.

Like, hey, you got to start acting like you're a guy now because you are a guy. So when he publicly came out, it was disgruntled and happy, and there was drama and blah, blah, blah. You just hope that that doesn't happen with the face of your franchise. Maybe Baker's next stop will be his best stop. Who knows? Go ahead, Ty. General Bob, I know he's a Michigan man,

but Aiden Hutchinson was the for sure number one pick basically for the entire pre-draft process, and now the odds are kind of flipping around, and he's maybe not going to go there. He's going to go back to Detroit. A lot of people are saying that his you know his athleticism he's more athletic than both of the bosses all that kind of stuff do you think there's any reason that he is kind of starting to slip down or is he is he really one of like the few can't miss prospects in this draft so you know i love the term slip down like we're like talking of going

from one to two now. It's just like this cataclysmic drop. It's going to come as preference at the top. Trevon Walker is a really good player from Georgia. He didn't have a ton of production. And so as a coach, as a scout, as a GM, you look at that and you're thinking, why? Why the disconnect here? The guy has all these physical traits, but yet he doesn't have quite the production.

He played on a really good defense, so I understand there's a lot of guys getting the football, but he didn't really stand out probably as much as he should have. I like Aiden Hutchinson a lot. I'm not going to say he's as athletic as the Boses because those guys, to me, should they stay healthy, are going to be both in gold jacket consideration one day. But if you draft Aiden Hutchinson, I think you'll get a guy who makes some Pro Bowls, a guy who's a 10-year dude. I equate him a lot to my guy, A.J. Hawk, over there.

You drafted this dude, you're going to get a stud for a decade who is going to show up first, be a grinder, be a tempo setter, do all the intangible things outside of being a productive player. Because that's a dude that you want to play with, Pat. You know what it's like. Yes. When you're playing with crap birds, man, and dudes that show up late, come in drunk and all that nonsense,

you don't care how good they are. You want dudes like your man A.J. Hawk over there who are coming in there with their crew cut ready to rock. Hey, no shit birds around here. No shit birds around here. What's that, A.J.? That's right, Bob. And you were drafted in 2006 by the Cowboys.

Now, what was it like with Jerry Jones there? I think anyone that hasn't been in Dallas, I'm always curious. Jerry is so involved. He does the pressers in the locker room after games. What was it like having him around? Was he there day-to-day throughout the week? Jerry's the only owner, I think if you look at this, who was actually able to buy the team

and then make himself the general manager. That would never fly today. But back in like 88, 89 when he purchased the team, like, you know what? I'm going to buy this thing. I'm going to be owner-operator. I'm going to be in charge. I'm going to hire my dude, Jimmy Johnson, and it will all be good. So he's just held that title ultimately since then.

It's worked out well early on, and they've had some success. But the players love him. I'm telling you, both of you guys would have loved playing for Jerry Jones because it's whatever you need, man. If you're a good player, he's taking care of you. You've got opportunities in the city. He's always around, and maybe the coaches don't necessarily quite like that as much, and it takes a special dude like your dude, Big Mike AJ, to be down there with him and to be able to handle that, but as a player, man, you love him. He's coming out there Friday morning looking all fresh and ready to go got his nice designer jeans on little custom tea and like you're like this is our owner man he's a dude he's one of us we go hang out and have a

drink afterwards he is that stadium we were got a chance to be inside of it for wrestlemania down there and they put us last minute we needed a studio because we didn't have internet or Airbnb. They put us in the Champions Club. It has been open for 12 years. It looked brand new. Every part of that stadium is gorgeous. And I'm like, I'm talking to the people from the Cowboys, and I'm like, this is unbelievable.

They're like, oh, you should see the training facility. The Jones family's expectations are really high. So everything that he gets talked about football-wise, having his hand in everything, and I don't think anybody ever gives enough respect. The business that dude has run and that family has run is so massive. Cowboys are like the creme de la creme of business, I think, when it comes to professional sports.

He never gets credit for that, I don't think. Pat, every stadium that's been built after Texas Stadium, what they did with Kroenke out in L out in la the stadium up in buffalo minnesota like dude jerry's the one that builds those capital packages and puts them together that pitches the cities that pitches the state like he is a visionary he is a marketing genius and here's the best part you're in that champions club they've got that super long. They put our player lounge right behind it with the families after the game. We know what that door would kind of be unlocked. You can just kind of slither over there,

have some drinks after the game, mingle with some of the suite owners. People would go back and forth. It was the 2009 year. That thing open, man. I'll never forget. I watched a dude walk in with a drink and I'm like,

where'd you get that? He's like, dude, on the other side of that door. I'm like, what? I'm like, how much was it? I'm thinking of stadium rates. I'm paying $20 for a Marguerite.

He's like, bro, it's all free. I'm like, this is the greatest day in the world. You got an open bar after the game? Yes. I'll shake anybody's hand you want. I'll take pictures with anybody. I got all my friends, my family in here. We're having a great time. And the Joneses

do it right, man. They take care of their players. The facility is second to none. Make no mistake about it, dude. They run the city of Dallas and the state of Texas. Well, hopefully they'll win some games. That's all everybody wants. Just want to win some games, says Jerry Jones. Go ahead, Boston Conner. Yeah, General. Obviously, you saved Big Ten football. Have

you thought about possibly setting your sights on the USFL and maybe putting the helmet on and going to save that league as well? You know what? I kind of looked at that, and they've got a couple guys that are over 30. I was trying to talk Agent to it. I know he's got a commitment with you guys, but we could probably work our schedule around.

It's only like 10 games. Maybe sit out a couple practices, have some vet days. Better eat chicken salad. Yeah, I don't like 10 games. Maybe sit out a couple practices, have some vet days. Better eat chicken salad. Yeah, I don't like chicken salad. No, listen, it'll be good. Hey, listen, here's the best part. My man Age Pat, he'll pack his own lunch. He's a guy who'll bring two grilled chicken breasts, no seasoning,

maybe a turkey sandwich, and probably a shaker with some muscle milk in it. That's going to be his lunch right there. The dude has been eating the same thing for the last 20 years that I know him. If you want to get real exotic, he'll bring some barbecue and put it on there. Oh, he mentioned that yesterday. Hey, Bob, I literally just brought this up yesterday. I said, what do you eat every day? He goes, I eat chicken.

It's real simple. I eat the same thing every day. I eat chicken and whatever I want. That was his actual answer. He was so offended and he's so pissed off about answering that question. It doesn't have to be a whole thing. Just eat whatever works for you. Yeah, but you eat the same thing for 20 years.

Not everybody can do that. I'm lucky. I'm very lucky that I'm not a foodie, that I don't really care. It doesn't really affect me too much. The worst part is, Pat, his wife, Laura, she's a phenomenal cook. You've been over to the house. She has a beautiful kitchen. They cook all this food.

And she'll have all this great stuff. And AJ will go over there. It's like his chicken breast. He's like a prisoner. He goes and gets his little grilled chicken breast. Nothing else with it. No seasoning. So false.

He makes these elite meals. They're absolutely tremendous. And my man just goes over there and eat some sliced turkey some sliced chicken and he's been doing it for the 20 years i've known him i think he did it probably 10 years before that it's one of the things that i truly respect like they said einstein wore the same clothes every day so he wouldn't have to focus on what he had to wear i mean steve i don't know if he's on fully that level but maybe we're getting close okay so let's get back to by the way i've witnessed him do the same exact thing and you know and what he had to wear. I mean, I don't know if he's on fully that level, but maybe we're getting close. Okay, so let's get back to, by the way,

I've witnessed him do the same exact thing. You know, his kid Axel's eating chicken cordon bleu that his mom just made. Damn. And AJ's over here just fingering up some grilled chicken that he just pulled out of the microwave. Anyways, it's worth it. You look amazing. You had a great NFL career.

Have you watched any of the USFL? As a guy who uh played in the NFL follows you know obviously high-end football it's these spring leagues are going to be tough Bob it's going to be tough for any of them to catch on I think you know I honestly believe that I hope I hope so it's good for guys to get film and get another chance but these are tough games to watch and I don't know necessarily why why it is going to be so difficult, I think. The players, is that what it is? I think it's players.

Well, the NFL, think about this. Football is the only sport where there's no minor league. Like, you either go to college or you go to the highest level. You look at the NBA, you've got the G League, they have Europe. You look at baseball, they've got minor leagues. You look at hockey, they've got minor leagues. Soccer, there's a bazillion leagues. The NFL, man man you're either there

or you're not and so for guys who need a little bit of time to develop and need some time to season this is a great opportunity for them now the reality is like the play isn't going to be as good as the nfl because there are expectations for that being the highest league in the world and what it does and doing it better than anyone else man it's going to be tough to get to that and it's going to be tough to be that that. And it's going to be tough to be that close. I have watched it. For me, you have to understand what it is. You know, it's not the NFL.

It doesn't have the passion of college because you don't have, you know, generations of your family that have all been watching and following it. So what I think they need to do, you know, if you look at what Vince did with the XFL, man, you don't want to go super crazy with it, but you've got to give it some entertainment elements. You've got to give it something. Savannah bananas.

Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm all about. Give me something else that I'm not going to watch. Like what, Bob? Do you have an example? What would you like to see? Some kind of gladiator kickoff? What do you want?

Here we go. I don't know. Maybe barbecue on the chicken. I mean, that's all I'm saying. That'll blow AJ's mind. Give me a little slice right there. I don't know. I mean, you know what I loved is when they –

if you could get in the coaches' headsets a little bit more, take people behind the scenes. You know, when they had – They're doing that now. I think the AAF before when they had the replays, and they had, remember, the guy in the box, and they're talking through the officials like, hey, I may not agree with you,

but at least then I can appreciate what you're looking at. So giving you kind of a behind-the-scenes look because you know it's not as serious, and then you always got to pull in the gambling element, Pat. I mean, if I can bet on it, it's worthwhile to watch to me. It's tough to bet on those games because you don't know what you're going to get. You don't know what you're going to get. Has anyone checked what's the final score of those games? Are they high scoring?

10-4. Two safeties, a touchdown, and a field goal don't know it's it is like yeah i think it's like 10-3 like 16 something i think you always say the defense is always ahead first you know and once the offense catches up it's like the first couple weeks of camp right so we're looking at true see ball get ball a lot easier than implementing systems and stuff on the offense maybe the usfl will get better here's the other thing too too, you've got to remember. The NFL has a hard time finding 32 good quarterbacks. So that is the most vital position on the offensive side.

And so if I'm one of these USFL coaches, hey, man, scrap the pro-style stuff. I might just grab a college quarterback. We'll get some dudes that can run. And you know what? If you're 30 and you can't play anymore, all right, but you get a chance to, Pat White, Tim Tebow type guys, maybe

guys at JT Barrett at Ohio State, a dude who's not great throwing, you know what? Maybe you can work on that while you're continuing to get better. And we'll just go back to college style. Jason's outside with the guys. Yeah. Whoever's out there, T's and P's. I mean, honestly, I hear chainsaws right outside.

Outdoor games. We're fixing the USFL, and all of a sudden we're hearing it. My God. I got that. That's nice. Is somebody dying right now? Holy shit. What the hell's going on? There's some rock.

I'll check it out. Sounds like a disc grinder to me. Probably 16 grid on there. All right. Okay. 24 grid down there. A little finer. Pretty decent.

Diagonal, please. Bob, you saved college football. We talked about you potentially saving USFL. Let's not worry about that. There is an institution in Columbus that we need to restore the great name of. Have you and AJ potentially thought of

bringing back the glory days of the Chophouse before Urban ruined the Chophouse with finger guns? With finger guns? Wow. We go all the way house with finger guns. With finger guns. Wow. We go all the way there. Guys, we're going deep.

I mean, with the finger guns. Literally. So, I mean, the chop house is good. I mean, it's still there. We can cruise on out. I mean, I know it's one of AJ's favorite spots. It's kind of a meeting point, Pat, kind of halfway. Knew it.

There for us. That's what it stands for. It really is. And here's the thing, man. You just have to get A.J. greased up a little bit. He's not a big early night guy, but once you can get him going a little bit, get him in the right frame of mind, it doesn't happen all that often. It's kind of like Haley's Comet or a lunar eclipse,

but if you can catch it just right, put him in the right frame of mind, right situation, you get the lovely Miss Laura cranked up to about a 10. Then you get to see the dude just out there thriving at the Pine House. Well, I can't wait to see him at the Pine House, the Chop House, and the Finger Gun Store. We're going to have to make that happen. Speaking of businesses, congrats on your new van. Hell yeah. That thing looked amazing.

Congrats on the business. Have you always been in the HVAC plumbing and electrician business, or how'd this start? You know, my neighbor, you know know he has a big commercial line and you know my brothers are kind of involved in you know different things you know construction he's got a great little shot of it down there at the bottom man i appreciate that no problem and so it's like hey we're gonna get into residential servicing columbus is growing a lot hey we started talking about it trying to find some solutions so hey we'll wrap this van up get we've got about 10 10 more that we're working on right now. The wraps take forever, man.

You know, guys, with the digital stuff, getting things finalized and figured out. We've been working on this damn thing for about six months. My man AJ looks like he's hotboxing over there, dude. You've got to get that vent turned on. The vent stays in the vacuum. It's taking it right up to the vent. That's the problem. Perfect. We got that rolling, dude.

So excited to provide some service in central Ohio. And pretty juiced up about it, man. Do you drive the van, Bob? I'm going to pick Cullen up from school in a today. He might spike. Second grader requested. Dad picks him up in the van. So we're going to have it for a little bit longer as I cruise over to go get him.

Are you going to wrap the rest of your cars with the same thing for good commercial, good marketing around Columbus or what? I could talk to the lovely Courtney. I don't know if my wife's into driving a car with a piece of my face on it. We could wrap up the truck and get that thing rolling. Free gas. Yeah. Get you some free gas. That'll be perfect.

You know, burn some heaters with the arm out the window. Yeah. For the marketing. Cool. I love that. I like that. Remember, we had we had a couple people in our high school all of a sudden they showed up in the school parking lot

and they had their car wrapped with some business and it was like the fuck and they're like yeah there's paying my gas i just drive around with this thing i'm like that's a great business i don't have an idea how do i get into that entire thing and then it kind of just disappeared i assume that none of them got paid i assume i assume that took place i assume they're all hustled and bamboozled. Maybe that's what we do around Columbus, though. Let's get that thing. Let's make sure you're the number one company in all of Ohio.

Hell yeah! I like that. I like that, man. Well, hey, this is doing miles for that, Pat. I appreciate it, man. The amount of people that I run into. So I teach a class at Ohio State. Professor?

Yeah, general professor. I mean, there's a lot of little titles that are thrown around there. General MD. And the amount of my students who, like, literally are like, all right, you guys, at the end of the first class, if you have any questions, come up and see me. They're like, hey, man, when are you going to be on Pat McAfee again? Oh.

The dude you did with AJ. All of them watch it, dude. It's unbelievable the following that you have here in Central Ohio. And these dudes love it, man. They love you and AJ. So I earned, like, a lot of street cred as a cool professor, you know, kind of like the cool teacher in Saved by the Bell. That was me coming up and talking because I got a chance to be involved with you. Hey, well, let's do something for those kids all together now.

O-H. I-O. Hell yeah. Yeah. Shout out to everybody that's listening and watching we appreciate it we have no idea why you do but every time this guy's on it's electrifying you're the best ladies and gentlemen he's saved football he's got the best hvac plumbing electricity in all of ohio general bob carpenter Some officials abuse their power. That's true. You know, in all different walks of life.

Yeah. I am very lucky to be associated with the WWE and WWE Smackdown every Friday night on Fox, 8 p.m. Eastern. There's just a couple things that happen over there that I'm not really too pleased with. Sure. Because off-camera, off-air, there are some people over there that are just like the nicest humans of all time. And then all of a sudden when the light goes on, they become despicable.

And I got an open mic right in front of me and I'm just like, what is this? What is this? One of them just so happens to be a WWE official who just had an opportunity at the title last night that she made for herself, obviously. Okay. Abuse her power. Off, out of the WWE, incredible person in the WWE, quite a despicable human being.

Ladies and gentlemen, WWE official Sonya Deville. Yeah! Sonya, what's up? Pat, I'm impressed. That was quite the intro, but despicable is a little harsher, I think. You are. You abuse your power.

You know it. Everybody knows it You are. You abuse your power. You know it. Everybody knows it that watches. You throw your weight around your classic middle management, and nobody likes it, Sonya. I'm just telling you what everybody else is saying. I'm the guy that'll do that. People are envious because I have this perfect balance between competitor and WWE official that allows me to pretty much do whatever i want and people are envious of that which is understandable i would be too no you wrote

those rules that's not in your job description you force that into happening like that's the thing like adam pierce good wwe official kind of takes himself seriously wants the best for the show not you no no no you sonja deville looks in the mirror and says how do i make this show the best for me and i don't i think you should be a full-time competitor, not WWE official, but that's neither here nor there, Sonya. You know, the rules are up for interpretation. I wasn't given a handbook when I was given this role. I kind of adapted and worked on the fly

and made decisions that I thought were great. And I think I'm doing a great job, so it's okay. I'll just put myself over here. Hey, you're doing great. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing great. Sony. Yeah, you're doing great. Sonya, thank you for joining us. You're the best.

I enjoy the hell out of you out of the WWE, obviously, in WWE. We don't have to go back into it. You know what I mean? Let's talk about your life. Hey, you're battling for the championship right now in the WWE. Could you have ever expected this whenever you chased the dream of becoming a wrestler? Now, you abuse your power, obviously, as general official for the wwe but you're in championship conversations now you're doing hey down the radio road we saw you do everything you're a fucking superstar right now sonia is

this a full dream come true for you has to be yeah it is i mean i i started in the world of mma and i was always in acting and so when i found wwe i was like oh my god this is like the culmination of everything I've ever wanted to do in life. So I'm living out the dream and being able to be a WWE official and an in-ring competitor, it gives me a lot of my time, which is like, fulfills my creative

need and my acting need. But then it also allows me to be a competitor and be the fighter that I am. So it's kind of like the perfect world combined. How'd you get into mixed martial arts? You were just beating people up in school and like, you know what, I'm going to try to learn how to do this better.

What happened there? That's exactly what it was. You're a bully! Oh, no. Wow. Oh, I'm sorry. For the record, I was not, and I actually didn't get in fights in school. But, I mean, I would stick up for my friends when they would get picked on maybe push a couple people up on lockers but besides that um i was a lover but i played sports growing up every single sport and then it got like monotonous and i was

like i'm not going to college for any of these sports like i'm not gonna go pro in any of these sports i want to do something bigger that's going to contribute to my future and so it was when women's mma was kind of at the brink. You know, Ronda Rousey wasn't a thing yet, but there was like Chris Cyborgs and, you know, and Strikeforce and Elite FC and all that. So I started seeing women fight and I was like, I want to do this. I'm tough. I'm scrappy. Let's go.

And so I found a local gym, started training, and then kind of moved around the country to the best gyms and started fighting. And then WWE kind of recruited me for the reality show top enough and the rest is kind of history oh you're such a badass dude has anyone else taken your path where you're an official and then you're you're working your way in and you're gonna you know you're gonna be in there full time eventually i hope like has anyone else done this did you like model this after somebody? Stephanie McMahon is the most notable female to ever do it. Obviously, Vincent Van's daughter, she's an amazing on-screen authority figure

who sometimes gets her hands dirty. But the duality of full part-time in-ring competition and being an official, I don't really know that it's been done by a female in this way. That's why I do take a lot of notes from Stephanie. If you look back at her work, she's done some amazing things. The infamous Stephanie McMahon

slaps, I've definitely taken a couple notes from. Gave a couple out last night. Who's that? Stephanie McMahon? Is that Adam Pearce? Just my mom. Oh, shout out to your mom, by the way. She's famous on your Instagram.

Her mom, big, big on Sonya's Instagram. She's a superstar. She's pretty cool. She's a pretty cool mom. I got to give her props. I'm going to let her know that she interrupted my live interview later. It's okay. No, you're killing it regardless.

Let's go outside of the WWE because you're doing a lot of shit that I, you know, I'm pumped about for you. And I don't want to dive into something absolutely terrible because that is not what this show is about. But I think I should tell you this and why I'm such a big fan of yours.

Something disgusting happened to you. Like, absolutely disgusting. The reports that happened, somebody, for people that don't know, there was somebody in this lady's house with zip ties and like ready to kill her, basically. And this happened, very much happened. This guy got caught. She fled. And it was an interesting time. Since then, you have come back as a badass, not scared to go anywhere. A lot of people would be scared to death after something like this happens to them. And after I saw the way you reacted to that, the way you carry yourself now, the way you go about life, that's why I am such a fucking big fan of yours. You're not scared of anything, and you're a badass. So, like, I'm a huge fan of yours.

And you also represent for a lot of people. And you take a lot of pride in representing for the Pride Parade folks as well. You're a badass of a human. I wish you nothing but success. Let's talk about what you have going on outside, though. Demandy's Donuts? Are you getting into selling donuts or not? Are we doing this?

Thank you for that, though, Pat. I know you weren't in the WWE in that time period, but, yeah, it's been a crazy ride, and you never know something like that's gonna happen until it happens and you don't know how you're gonna feel about something like that happening until it happens um you know i'll just say the day of i was like oh everything's fine i'm gonna go sleep in my house tonight and then by the time nightfall came i was like couldn't even drive to the neighborhood so it's crazy and um definitely being on the other side of things

it feels good to be back in the mix and finally getting back in the ring since then um it's kind of like a big full circle moment for me so i'm excited but yeah um pride month is coming up obviously and i am participating in the west hollywood pride parade which i'm super excited about let's go um presenting w WWE as the first openly gay female. We are going to have a float or exotic car of some sort in the L.A. Pride Parade this year. Let's go. Hey.

Obviously, you represent for a lot of people, people that have been bullied, people that haven't been, you know, accepted. And you're thriving in the ring. You're abusing your power as an official. You're the pride parade and you're an entrepreneur which is what i enjoy so let's get back to these goddamn donuts well and we'll talk about the pride parade which is fantastic because you're pushing things that the wwe has never done before and you're a beautiful figure for that entire thing you're an entrepreneur though are we moving donuts or not when are we moving come on but you on we are trying to move

donuts so mandy and i my best friend former tag team partner roommate now nxt women's champion um we own a donut company called demand these donuts we have been doing a youtube series for years where we taste donuts from around the world then we kind of like made a fun website for our fans and then it was like okay i think we need to make our own donuts now. Because after tasting every donut in America, we are the donut aficionados at this point. So we have curated six donut recipes that we will be launching very soon via Ghost Kitchens on DoorDash and Uber Eats. Yeah! Let's do business!

Let's move some donuts at AJ. We're going to be moving some donuts, and there's going to be a delivery. You're in Indianapolis, right? I think, yeah. We'll get out there. We'll get you some. Yeah, it's a fucking big city.

Come on. People love donuts here. Yeah, we love donuts. A lot of ghost kitchens around. A lot of DoorDash. The donuts will come right into the office. Yeah, they will. Glaze, glaze. We got donuts. A lot of ghost kitchens around. A lot of DoorDash. Donuts will come right into the office. Glaze, glaze. We got glaze.

We got glaze coming. Standard glaze. Classic glaze is me and Mandy's favorite. So we put a little twist on it and made our own classic glaze. But we have an old-fashioned because I love old-fashioned donuts. We have some really cool flavors. I'm a big cookie dream, so we have one of those. Let's move some donuts to Indianapolis.

Jesus. Go ahead, AJ. Sorry, pal. You mentioned ghost kitchens that deliver them on DoorDash. Is that like what Guy Fieri does and Buddy Valastro? I see them on there selling all their desserts. Yeah, Mr. Beast. Yeah, it might be a similar formula.

So we're working with a company basically that we're going to go into local donut shops and we're going to teach them our recipes and how to make our six donuts. And they will carry it on their virtual menu through these delivery services. And so they'll fulfill our donut recipes. And that's just a way to get our donuts around the world without shipping on dry ice and then not being fresh. It's a way to get fresh donuts that are ours around the world without like shipping on dry ice and then not being fresh it's a way to get fresh donuts that are ours around the country so um yeah yeah you're in incredible shape though i think that was the the most surprising thing is the donut addiction you know because you you know what i mean it's kind of um our moniker for our donuts is it's all about balance.

And Mandy and I are both in the world of fitness and sport. And we are also huge foodies from the Northeast. So obviously we know the best food. I heard you talking about how Italian you are and Fugazi. But, you know, the Irishman cannot weigh in here. But as Italians, we know good pizza, good pasta, we know good donuts. Yes, you do. I'm just saying,

we are... What are you going to say? Listen, if the gabagool isn't good, I fucking can tell. You hear me? I want to let you know. If the gabagool isn't fresh and the donuts taste like trash, my.01% of Italiano can tell. Okay, Sonya? Please, let us

paisanos in on the conversation, okay? How about WrestleMania when you were on the top rope, you did this? Hey, that's the swan tone bomb beanie. You know what I mean? That's what that is.

You can use it if you want. You know, me, you, Bruno, Sam Martino, the fucking Italians in the WWE, we do our thing. Yeah, I'll leave that for you guys. It's all you. You're lost. You're not going to do the Swanton Bombini? I'm probably not. Are you wearing one of your tank

tops your famous tank tops i'd love to talk about that well this is actually same company sleeveless hoodie it was 35 degrees this morning you know what i mean it was supposed to be summer so we're definitely going sleeves off but it's a bit chilly same company though coup fandy keeping me fresh shut up you just like my tank tops you You have like, what, 57 of them? You guys, I'm sure, have seen his tank top collection. Do you also think it's outrageous? Pretty cool. Yes.

AJ, fuck off. AJ, shut up. Everybody thinks me and Steve Jobs and AJ has worn the same shirt for like four days now. He's actually falling in the suit. You know I'm fashion forward, Sonya. I don't know what the deal is. Actually, our running joke backstage,

now we're just going to let it out there, is that you are fashion backwards. Whoa! Whoa! Nobody says that. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. You're going to wear a tux next time. Bro, she shits on my costumes

every single week. She's super fashionable, though. You want to create your own clothing line at some point? Yeah, I'd like to create my own, like, women's wear, men's wear line. Like, you know. Oh. Athleta.

Tank top. I would walk through, like, a department store, like a Nordstrom or a Macy's or wherever, and I would, like, look at the men's section, and it just looked, like, so much, like, cleaner and more appealing to me. Like, I always loved, like, men's fashion fashion but i want it to be fitted for a female and so it's it's not really that prevalent and it's kind of hard to find which is why i have to get my suits custom made but i want to make like yeah like a menswear women's wear line all my suits are custom too oh yeah that's right anyways i hope you end up having great success with that. I hope I'm not fit.

All right. Yeah, the sleeves are short. Come on. I didn't make the fucking jacket. No. I was told that's how it's supposed to be, super fashion, so I can show off the... Yeah. First game. You know what that is, Sonia?

We have matching. Oh, shit. I'm a double goal. Pretty good.. Oh, shit. I'm a gobble. Pretty good. Go ahead, Ty. Sonya, you mentioned needing to appease a creative juice that you have, and you mentioned acting. Do you have any aspirations to do any acting,

especially with the WWE films or anything, or does your current role kind of quench that thirst that you have for it? Yeah. I mean, like my, my current role definitely fulfills a lot of like that need just because it's, it's so cool and it's so unique and I'm getting to have so much mic time and I'm on both brands. So yeah, awesome. But absolutely. I want to act. Um, and I've just seen so many people throughout WWE make the transition or do both at the same time. And it's just been so cool. Like, John Cena is obviously the rocks. But even, like, Becky's been in some films and Stone Cold and Miz.

And I think it's such a cool natural overlap that I think just helps everyone involved. So I feel like I would love to kind of make that transition at some point. Yeah, absolutely. Are you just going to be a badass? You think they're going to typecast you as just a breaking bones and snapping necks and stuff? Yeah. I mean, you know, I think that's a natural fit, but, but I'm a,

I'm a lover. I could, you know, I could do some rom-coms. I could do some. Oh, you got depth. You're saying please. She's got a lot of depth. Don't just take the abuse of power Sonya Deville into your

casting of whatever character you need. She can play everything. Tell them. Why are you so mean every time you're on TV? You have it. It's not mean. I don't think it's mean. I'm from Jersey. I'm from the Northeast. I was

raised to tell the truth. I can't tell a lie. You're going to read it on my face if I don't say it, so from the Northeast. I was raised to tell the truth. I can't tell a lie. You're going to read it on my face if I don't say it, so I just say how I feel, and I'm in charge. So I'm going to make the rules how I see fit, and I think I do a great job of giving opportunities to those who deserve them. All right, all right. Respect, respect.

Bunch of bullshit. Go ahead, Connor. Sonya, I know you took a lie detector test, but are we sure Ezekiel isn't Elias? Because I thought Kevin Owens made some pretty good points. Kevin does have some valid points, and I think there will continue to be murmur and talk about all of this as it

unfolds. It's definitely some glaring similarity, but hopefully we'll get to the bottom of it in the coming weeks. Adam's kind of been handling that. I've been a little busy fighting for, fighting for championships, but, yeah. Figure it out. Hey, Sonny, where's Butch? Come on.

What the hell? Where the hell is Butch? Where is he? Where's Butch? Your guess is as good as mine. Be careful. Aren't you supposed to be in charge? I'm doing this.

I'm doing that. You got random little rabid wolverines escaping through the crowd and then never to be seen again. This is what's going on out there, Sonia. You think we have Apple trackers on all our talent? I can't track them down. At the end of the day, we're adults. They got to come to work, clock in and clock out.

And if they don't, then there could be consequences. So hopefully Bush finds his way back soon. Hey, what happened last night? I heard you lost. What took place? What happened? That's how you come at me about my happened last night? I heard you lost. What took place? What happened? That's how you come at me about my performance last night? Well, in my head.

Let me tell you how I do my interviews. Nothing's ready. Nothing's scripted. In my head, I was like, oh, WrestleMania backlash. Sonya, Bianca Belair. Is that happening? And then I was like, oh, no, that happened last night. They had that on Raw, actually, last night.

And then I remember seeing a bunch of pictures of you on the Internet this morning. You yelling at people. Yeah. So it looked like something bad happened so that's how i asked i apologize it's not normally how i interview but you lost last night that stinks you lost the title what happened so what actually happened was i slipped on like water that was actually right in front of the commentary table there was water all someone the place. Someone spilled and didn't clean up. If you were there, I would have blamed you. And so I slipped, and I hurt my ankle, and then I got counted out. And I'm like, well, that's not how the championship

match should end. Knoxville deserves better. So I restarted the match, obviously. And then later on in the night, Bianca tried to use her hair, which is a foreign weapon. You cannot use that. And so I evened the odds by grabbing a chair. I just wanted to protect myself with self-defense.

And then I had to restart the match again. And then Zelina and Carmelo were supposed to come out to help, and they did the opposite, and they caused me to lose. You lost three times last night? Jesus. You think this is funny?

I'm so sorry. As you were walking me through that, I just heard you had three championship shots. I think that's what you heard, because what I heard is that I got royally mistreated last night in my own

establishment. I think you should just tune in next Monday when all this is reprimanded and handled. Oh! All right, well, good luck. We can't wait. Good luck with the Mandis. Good luck with the Pride Parade.

That's exciting. Is this your – no, you've had to have been in Pride Parades before. You've been famous for a long time now, right? Yeah. Yeah, we did New York World Pride a couple years ago. We did fort lauderdale pride parade yeah we've done a couple but this one this one's going to be big hey why is why are the parades such a big deal i feel like that is a massive deal for the community each one of those parades huge deal gets pushed big big big right and yeah i mean it's camaraderie it's visibility um being with wwe and representing wwe in a parade

like this is showing so many people that go out wanting to be wrestlers or just watch wrestling like, hey, you're welcome here and you are a part and you're represented and you're loved, not just by me, but by the entire company. We support you. So I think it's big messaging for the company. And I'm glad to kind of be there pioneer and talk about it and yeah just celebrate hey modern world getting a lot more accustomed to the entire community you think than what it used to be I honestly outside looking in I feel like we're in a much more accepting culture I assume there's

still outliers of assholes but am I reading that properly or no yeah absolutely I think leaps and bounds every year right but obviously there's still more work to be done. And when you have a platform like we do, and the WWE does, it's like, it's like the greatest gift, right? If you have something that you want to speak for, it's right in the palm of your hands on social media every day, or on these appearances, or on these things where we get to just represent ourselves and what we stand for. So I think it's important to just continue to make those changes and continue to make it such a big thing until it's not a thing at all, if that makes sense. Yes, completely. Incredibly proud of you. Incredibly pumped for you. Can't wait to try your donuts, huh? Hey, here we go.

Ghost Kitchen Donuts. I assume the Ghost Kitchen in Indiana is going to do the donuts justice. I don't know about out in L.A. or in Florida or anywhere. Ghost Kitchen Donuts. I assume the Ghost Kitchen in Indiana is going to do the donuts justice. I don't know about out in L.A. or in Florida or anywhere. The Indiana donut makers will fucking hit home runs for you. Oh, yeah. You need to know that. Find Butch.

Come home, Butch. Good luck next Monday. We appreciate you. When's the Pride Parade? What did you say? When's the Pride Parade? It is like the second week of june i believe i'll be posting all the details up so if people want to come out and uh cheer us on or participate in the parade whatsoever there's like so many festivities going on it'll be super fun june 10th

i'm being told in a year good luck out there hopefully you don't lose three times on monday that's yeah i mean make what if four times y Yikes. That would suck. It could get worse. I have a better idea. Hopefully you don't lose your job on Monday because remember, you're on Friday. Hopefully you don't lose

your job on Friday. Okay. Whoa. Whoa. Ladies and gentlemen, WWE official, Demand These Donuts founder, Sonya Deville.

Thank you. Hey. Grazie. Grazie. Ciao. Ciao. Ciao. Ciao! Ciao! Ciao! Ciao!

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video of Jerry Jones, I guess, speaking about the entire draft process. Ari Mirov at MySportsUpdate of Pro Football Focus fame and a crew of information around the NFL. Fucking legend in our book. I assume a lot of other people that are in the Daily Show game love him.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on who makes the final call in the daily show game love him cowboys owner jerry jones on who makes the final call in the draft room taco was steven's call parsons is my call jerry's not playing around here's the video of him saying 185 000 views already jerry jones does numbers so our process is an inclusive one we've said it there's a lot of talk in this business about who makes the call. Who actually makes the call. Okay. Taco was Stephen's call. Parsons

is my call. That's not that funny to me. That was a good pop. Big Mike McCarthy. Hey, Ian's right. Whoever the hell you want to pick, Parsons is my call. I just love any time we get to hear Jerry Jones speak, mostly. That guy's forgotten more about football and business than most people will ever learn.

And I like the fact that he's still calling the shots at this age because he wants one more Super Bowl under his belt. Jerry Jones wants one more Super Bowl under old Jerry. People have been bashing me for 20 years, and I can't fucking win. Let me go ahead and make a fucking team. Big Mike, get your fucking Pittsburgh drunk ass in here. Let's win a game. I think that's what it's going to take before he hands the team over.

And I might be wrong. I don't know him at all. I certainly don't know him like the back of my head. No. Which I'm not sure anybody does at this point. But it feels like he gets one more. That'll make him feel good, some fulfillment that he's still got it. You know, I feel like he's still chasing the you still got it type thing.

I think even if he gets one more, I think he will still continue to go. Like, I imagine Jared would get bored if he's not involved day to day with the Cowboys. But also, with that presser, did Big Mike speak much at all? He seemed like it's a weird spot to be stuck in between both of them. The Joneses. In between the Joneses. Trying to keep up with the Joneses up with the jones as they speak they're running that thing back again let's see which one does he laugh at who does he not laugh at you know so our process is

an inclusive one we've said it all right there's a lot of talk in this business about who makes the call, okay? Taco was Steven's call. Little pop, right? Parson is my call. That's not that funny to me. Hey, Mike, go on there. Go on there. Go on, Jerry. What about Johnny Manziel? Taco ricocheted you out there. Go on there. Go on, Jerry. What about Johnny Manziel?

Taco Ricochet shot there. Big Mike ain't saying a goddamn thing. I don't know who Taco is. Taco Charlton. He was their first round pick a few years ago. Didn't work out. Fizz a lot. Oh, I love Jerry just buried his kid.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I tried to hand over the reins to somebody else to make the draft picks. You remember when we fucking took Taco? Two doors down. That is awesome. Jerry is the man. I want to see the parade. What kind of parade does that dude throw if they win it all?

He's going to bring his yacht in, his yacht that's bigger than the stadium. So does it. It's Dallas, and then Arlington's in between Dallas and Fort Worth, right? So he's going to have to have a couple parades, I think. Yeah, what if they just drive that entire half hour, or I guess it would be more like an hour and a half, from Dallas to Fort Worth? He's probably going to bring the kettles out, too.

Well, that's what I'm saying. Fort Worth would like to get the steers out for him. Stockyards. He's going to get involved, yeah. That's awesome. He might just take it across the whole goddamn state if he has to. Texas, we want one. I'll take it to Houston whole goddamn state if he has to Texas we won't I'll take it to Houston too

Because them motherfuckers are never going to figure it out I'm a big Jerry Jones guy We always chum Is such a good way to talk about Just thinking about doing something We're always stirring the pot We always chum We always try to drum up a little activity

Hey who's willing to take some? Hey, what do you guys got? You guys cooking at all? You guys moving, huh? You can't steal from us. Oh, it's good chumming. Hey, it's good chumming. Hey, did you call that fucking slapdick from Jacksonville?

See if you'll chum a little bit. That's like the only thing I compare any of it to is draft day. And Kevin Costner calling that guy Seattle knowing he got him. Yep. That's why i'm excited for the war room conversations that are going to take place on thursday like what's going on are you guys answering calls are you calling people right now is there moves to be made at all times you guys are sitting back chilling and waiting on the call i bet it's much more like informal than we

think really yeah i bet it probably it's like a lot of things you get there and you think like okay every second is mapped out. Everything is all planned. And then one phone call can change everything. Hey, you guys, what do you think? No, we're not. And then they say, what about a first-rounder? Oh, okay, maybe we'll sit here and listen. Oh, yeah, they're probably doing a whole, like, prep routine right now.

Oh, yeah. Like a lot of – Practicing. I bet they're practicing. Oh, you're on the clock. Here you go. What's our process look like? What do we do?

Like, yeah, you don't want to have any missteps. Situations, like if this team calls at this time. What are we thinking about? If this player gets taken right before us, who are we thinking? I mean, because they're on a clock. That's a wonder lick right there. Hey, what happened to Herbie? Blood clot. I saw he has a video that he's not going to be on ESPN. I didn't watch the video. Blood clot.

I think he travel purposes can't do it. I hope he's okay. Is that from a surgery? I don't know. He didn't really go into detail. He just said that he had a blood clot and he's okay. Is that from a surgery? I don't know. I don't know. He didn't really go into detail. He just said that he had a blood clot, and he's going to just take some time to relax instead of traveling and stuff like that. I saw a bunch of people start tweeting, oh, he can join the spectacular. I do not think ESPN would be necessarily thrilled with that.

Yeah, I doubt it. Or the whole thought of, hey, I heard you had a blood clot. You want to come talk about it on Thursday night? Yeah, I guess we won't talk about the blood clot. We would like to talk about your thoughts on all these guys, though, because you know them 15 to 20 times more than us. It's going to happen again, isn't it? What?

We're not going to know fuck about any of these guys. I mean, compared to the last two years, I would say this is the least prepared we have been. Palace Harrow. How do you say that? With the amount of, I guess, like, because last year there were so many quarterbacks, so it was easier to know more players.

Now it's a little more fluid situation. There's a lot of players moving into the top ten all of a sudden overnight. Remember tomorrow. There's a lot of teams that want to move out of the top ten. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So who's cooking up all the news of who wants to move and who doesn't? Is it the teams in the top ten cooking up the news that everybody else wants to get into the top 10 yeah but yeah that's what i'm saying so who's cooking up all the news of who wants to move and who doesn't is it the teams in the top 10 cooking up the news that everybody else wants to get into the top 10 so they can maybe actually draw up some interest to get into the top 10 or is that actually happening and everybody wants to move out right that sounds like that could be

bullshit then maybe everybody wants to move in you literally can't trust or believe anything and that's why i guess the draft is awesome tough to prepare for oh yeah tough to prepare for if you're outside looking in like we are and have been the last few years when we talk about how you know there's a massive chance half these guys fizzle out palisaro wrote an article today that said a lot of teams only have 15 guys with first round grades on them it's like okay so more than half of these guys are supposed to be second or third round picks. What the hell? Yeah, but we've got to remember, a lot of second and third round picks hit. Yeah, and smokescreen season.

There might be 80 guys with first round grades, and they're just saying there's only 15. That's why we know nothing about any of these players. Could go number one overall in stink. Could go 222 overall and figure it out. You could go 199 and become the greatest of all time. And I guess that's the hope that you've got to have as a fan of any team looking at the draft. I think we're going to have to strap in this year, boys,

because without any absolutes, I think a lot of teams are going to be taking that 15 minutes to make their selection. Waiting on a trade. Or 10 minutes now, or whatever it is. Teams are going to be using the full fucking clock all night long. Fuck waiting for somebody to call and trade.

We're going to wait and see if anybody wants us. We got a guy, I guess, could have spent fourth rounder on this guy. We're going to wait. Maybe somebody want to come up. Man, we should get food delivered in the middle of this. Yeah, for sure.

Maybe a couple eyes cold. What? You have a couple of eyes cold. What? You have a couple of Bud Lights? More specifically. How about them not being a sponsor of the show getting a lot of love? They know they get it for free. What would you?

Goofy, what kind of Canadian beer do you like? None of them. We used to drink Lucky Lager was the beer of choice growing up. Fosters. Fosters was delicious. Those big ass cans. They tasted so good there.

I had a good summer, I think, on Fosters. And then everybody would say, you know, I don't drink this in Australia. It's like, all right, well, you got to ruin everything. Thanks a lot. Well, you got to ruin gotta ruin everything dude i thought it tasted delicious a lot of wasted beer because it got real warm with that can was fucking bad yeah mini can two feet tall gumpy drinks bud lights though like their water like you know like that's what he goes to for a refreshing drink is he is is goop are you an ipa guy because no ipa people always call like oh you drink water that well

That's what he I'm trying to say hydrated. I'm not trying to fill my stomach IPA suck last I've yeah I had was delicious really what was it Steve Oser? Not bad see that's its own category I haven't had one of the loggers yet Did I drink the lager the I think yet. Did I drink the lager? I think you had the lager. I think I had them both. Lager's always better than IPA.

I'm pretty sure I had them both throughout the end of that evening. What? What? Zito just offered an IPA because we got a bunch of El Segundo's finest right here in the fridge. What? I don't know if I can drink a meal of alcohol right now. No thanks. I think it's like 7% alcohol, right?

At least. Feed it to me, Wyatt. It's like ice cream. They taste good. They do taste good. A couple more phone calls here. Let's get out of here. People wait on hold for a long time. I mean, as long as another person doesn't say the goddamn lines,

they're getting Debo Samuel. That was crazy. Yeah. Well, it's not because the lines are getting. Maybe the lines do. It was the reasoning. Yeah. I was like, all right, well, that doesn't make sense, are getting – maybe the Lions do. It was the reasoning. I was like, all right, well, that doesn't make sense, what you just said. I agree.

But I do appreciate the conversation starter, Josh, in Maryland. Well, there it is. Everyone – or that guy forgets that D-Bowl doesn't get to pick where he's getting traded to. Well, and if he gets traded. Can he turn it down and say, no, I want to stay here? If they're like, hey, we've got a deal. He's going to Detroit.

He retires. Well, that's Gronk, right? Yeah, to stay here? If they're like, hey, we got a deal. He's going to Detroit. He retires. Well, that's Gronk, right? Yeah, Gronk's trying to retire. That worked out really well for him. Maybe that's how they get him back in the squad. They tell him before they have a deal with Detroit, hey, we're talking Detroit. Hey, it's about to be final. All right, Detroit said they're not going to pay you, and it's final.

So, sorry about it. Pack your bags. Good luck. He's going to start rapping, Don. He's going to have a music video coming out next. Maybe create a social app. AB. AB's got it. Does he have an album coming out? Paradigm Shift. It already came out. It's a banger.

It already came out. Business booming. Yeah, there's a lot of good songs on there. My business booming. My business booming. You seem genuine with that comment, Donner. Have you listened to it? I have not. That's why I'm asking you guys. Got French Montana feature, DaBaby feature.

Yeah. His stage presence is off the charts, too. That was an interesting video that came from the Wannaville, I believe. Wannaville? I think so. I think so, yeah. I need a pair of those gloves.

Like Wonka? No, W-U-A-N-A. You get the mechanics at any fucking... Used to wear mechanics at the yard. Yeah, I have them at my house. I can't wait to see him hit the mechanics at any fucking... Used to wear mechanics at the yard. Yeah, I have them at my house. I can't wait to see him hit the stage at Rolling Loud. Is he going to be at Rolling Loud?

Oh, yeah. A-B? Yep. Let's go, dude. Former NFL player performing at Rolling Loud. Let's go. I'm happy about that. When's he got Lucas Oil? Stadium?

Yeah. I don't know if he's going to sell at Lucas Oil anytime soon. What? I don't think so. I thought it was all three nights. Well, down in Miami, he might be able to sell at Lucas Stadium. I don't know if in Indiana he's going to be able to do it. Lucas Oil anytime soon. What? I don't think so. I thought it was all three nights. Well, down in Miami, he might be able to sell it at the stadium. I don't know if in Indiana he's going to be able to do it. LA, he's able to do it.

Maybe Tampa. Pittsburgh. No, probably not at Heinz. Tampa's going to be tough, I think, because of the way that whole thing ended. Maybe in Michigan. He could go there. Oakland, maybe. He can get a lot of downloads in a lot of cities, though, I think.

Yeah, if he goes to Pittsburgh and brings out Ben Rothberger, they'll be fine. Everyone will be backing in that stadium. Don't be sad. Are you kidding me? Don't be sad. I don't think this is good. Was he in Danny Boy Hustlehard's car when he was making that?

Don't be sad for Ben Rothberger. Bro, he was cutting promos on cameos in the middle of Daniel Coyle's while he was escaping an NFL game. That was a wild run. Shout out to him doing soccer talk. What's that? Shout out to him doing soccer talk when talking about Ben Roethlisberger. Oh, you're talking about Bartholona?

Mm-hmm. They're bidding it booming. Bidding it booming. That was wild. I can't wait to look back in 10 years and we revisit the whole situation. Like, wow, I can't believe that happened. He's got a Netflix special coming out.

Take my shirt off like AB. I think. He has a Netflix special? Oh, he's cooking it. Allegedly. Like, what do you mean? Like a stand-up comedy? We only heard this in the back of Danny Boy Hustle Hards.

What's up, Cheeks? You know, he actually said. Yeah. And Antonio Brown was. Tell him. Talk to him, A. Bizzle. And Antonio Brown was. Tell him. Talk to him, A. Bizzle. This is going to make the Netflix thing even hotter now or something like that.

Hey, A.B.'s been booming. I think Netflix did get the rights to Tiana Trump sucking his Tootsie Roll, so they might be adding that to the. Mature section? Yeah. That'd be sweet. Wait, is he in the video out? They do need more content. All right.

His cameo, though, is very popular. Yeah. it was there for a while how much is he i don't know if he's still doing it but he was doing them he started cutting these promos this is the one that was just being referred to by boston corner i know you sad about being rothenberger retiring but it's not over for being yet i know everyone's wondering this is this his last game in Pittsburgh tonight? And would it end like this? But it may not end like this. I know Ben, he's a competitor. He loves to play football.

One of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And I just don't see him hanging it up. So, Patrick, you and all other Steelers fans who are looking to think Big Ben is playing his last game in Huntsville, I wouldn't tip my hat on that yet. I wouldn't bet on that yet because Big Ben has a lot of football yet left. And he didn't say that his career was over. He didn't say that it was his last game in Huntsville.

So we can't speculate and recollate upon him not playing anymore. So let's be positive. Let's cheer him on. Let's wish for one of his best games tonight. And let's keep business booming. Patrick, I know you're a huge Sillis fan. You love Pittsburgh. You love football.

That's a good cameo. Hey, he gave effort on that. Oh, yeah. He was very wrong. He was wrong about everything, yeah. I don't know. I thought he was all factually correct. Well, he gave effort on that. Oh, yeah. He was very wrong. He was wrong about everything, yeah. I don't know. I thought he was all factually correct. Well, Ben might come back.

We don't know. Have you seen Ben Roethlisberger week four sitting at home still? That'd be awesome if he did. I mean, Ben's probably 350 right now. Are you kidding me? No. You haven't seen him? As long as he did a puck drop.

Yeah, he's skinny, though. Oh, yeah. He pump-faked the puck drop. He went that way. He's going that way. Michael Parsons did a completely different puck drop. How was his? He killed it.

Awesome. It was unbelievable. It was awesome. Fuck this puck. He did that on purpose. I think so. Yes, he did it on purpose for the Hershey Bears up there. Micah, I'm very happy the NFL has got Micah Parsons in it,

I think, for the next 10 years. He is awesome. He is awesome. He is awesome. Very good. I think he's a hysterical human, too. Yeah. I think he's going to be great for the NFL, going to be great for the league. But Ben Rothberger might be done.

Damn. All right. Don't be sad. That was my favorite part. It is. Like, he just seems like a very nice guy. He genuinely cared for Patrick in that video. video he did i don't want to speculate got a couple bank or recollect but the he's got a couple bangers in this paradigm shift by the way i'm gonna honestly i'm gonna download it it's on spotify okay i'll get it is getting home from the

no on it or is that when the last that was the last that's a single pit from the NL on it? Or is that the last one? No, that's the single. Is Pit from the Palace? Pit from the Palace on there. Also the remix. Pit Palace remix? Yeah. Like Jail Part 2. I mean, it's about time for somebody, an athlete, to cross over and become a giant musician, giant star.

I agree. I think it's him. How about Shaq Diesel? Yeah. He's still grinding. DJ Diesel. You can hire him currently. Dame Dala, though? Or anything. Dame Dala got bars. He got a Hulu commercial. He fucking... yeah he's still he's still grinding dj diesel you can hire him currently dame dolla though anything

dame dolla got bars he got a hulu commercial he fucking he's an assassin yes he's very good kevin durant also goes on the beat doesn't he he raps a little bit i'm not sure probably i mean he was in the drake music video baby if you remember i also happen to rap but you know not today. Yeah, but you're not a professional athlete. True, true, true. That's how that is. One screenbait packer, Darren Waller.

Bars. Bars. Oh, yeah. Darren Waller goes hard. He does. Did I see the full video or just his Instagram? I don't know if he posted the whole video on Instagram. It was, hey, here we go.

Cole Beasley. Cole Beasley. He Beasley's album? I don't know if he's going to win any awards. Well, until he's got a feature on Kid Rock. Colts should get him. Yes, we should. I'm not sure if Cole Beasley

is going to be on Kid Rock's next album. We the People Part 2. He just played in Columbus. I know multiple people that went there. No, Kid Rock. No, Bob. You didn't go? How was it, AJ?

I didn't go. Honestly, I'm pretty sure General Bob went. He is HVAC, man. That'd be great pub. Hey, that van is sweet. He's got 10 more they're working on. Yeah, what's up with the vinyl rapping companies over there in Columbus? He said, you know, it took a long time.

Fucking wrap the goddamn thing. I wonder if he means like, I think he means from when they started to like put the image together and to finalize it all and then to send it to get wrapped. Oh, like what we're doing with the Thunderdome right now. Yeah, like trying to make sure it looks right. And they don't get it on there and it's terrible. How did Zito get that van under the bottom bar? Because Zito's a fucking wizard, dude.

It's magic, baby. You should see what he's working on. He had to code for the fucking draft spectacular. Oh, yeah. Immediately after coding for two hours with this one company, he comes, I did not expect what just happened in that call. And he tells me, look what I had to do. He wanted to show me his coding and he did and it

was very impressive hey shout out to you thank you and then i immediately said can we just pay the guy that taught you to make these or he's like i'll probably i'll ask him yeah i'll ask him there's no way zito has enough time to code all the graphics for fucking thursday night while running a show and putting a van on the title yeah remember how but those are the type well he's pretty good coder i think it is pretty good coder yeah basic script but i'm on it zeros and ones or no full words yeah you teach me z oh it's hard two hours yeah he had a two-hour course he disappeared from the office for two hours yesterday he was upstairs to learn how to code well i didn't know that's what he was doing i don't think he knew that's what he was doing we

were trying to figure out if we could get some graphics for the goddamn Spectacular. And then all of a sudden, two hours later, Zito looks like he just came out of the most stressful call of his life. His eyes, you know, a bug open. His aura is just completely, he goes, I'm drained, man. I'm like, what happened? He goes, I just learned how to code. Here, come look. And he opens his laptop.

He's like, look what I just did. Look what I just did. And I'm like, that's unbelievable. That's awesome. That's just for one graphic. Jesus. like, look what I just did. Look what I just did. And I'm like, that's unbelievable. That's awesome. That's just for one graphic. Jesus. We got a lot more Z. 32 of those.

And then we need something else. Can we just ask the guy that taught you to make these? We could ask him. We'll see. We'll see what he said. What did he say? Is he going to do that? I think so.

All right. It's good. There we go. Hey, happy you know how to code, though. We're going to need that at some point. Just in case, yeah. Game changer. At some point, a Zito production is going to need Zito to code.

Let's go to Tyler in Atlanta. What's going on, Tyler? Down there in Atlanta. Hell yeah. Hey there, boys. What's going on, dude? Yeah, I just got a question about what Lesko was saying. You know, if you look at the past couple Super Bowl winners,

a lot of them had a bunch of homegrown talent and then added one or two pieces that made them contenders. You know, you look at the Bucs last year, you know, they had a lot of their own guys and then bring in Brady and Gronk and Fournette. You know, those are the people that are at the top. Leonard Fournette scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Gronk scored two touchdowns in the Super Bowl. Leonard Fournette scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Gronk scored two touchdowns in the Super Bowl. A.B. scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Tom Brady threw all of those.

Tom Brown, I get it. But, I mean, pretty important pieces were added there as vets, don't you think? Right. So, you know, is it more important that you draft well and then grab those one or two pieces, or do you just keep going after the big price free agents? Well, if you look at the Rams, they're probably – you know, the Rams had a pretty good – great question there, Tyler.

You're right, because we do over-dramatize how much free agency matters. You have to have a stable. You know what I mean? You have to have a core that can go on a run. They drafted Aaron Donald. Pretty good. Pretty good pick. Pretty good pick.

Did they know that when he was coming out? They knew Aaron Donald was going to be the guy? Was he nine first round? Nine, 11. Yeah, he was high. So, I mean, it was – out? They knew Aaron Donald was going to be the guy? Was he nine? First round? Nine, 11. Yeah, he was high. So, I mean, it was – Was he being projected as like the guy or was like Mel Kiper on there saying,

oh, he's undersized? I don't know if anyone could predict he was going to be this good. I don't know if anyone could predict he was going to be this good. And everyone had him as a first-round pick, but no one had him being what he has become or even close to it, I don't think. That's because they don't know that Penhill's water, dude. Oh, yeah. They don't know what it's like.

Bengals. Bengals are basically all drafted and then Trey Hendrickson. Yeah, the Bengals are a hell of a – True. Built from within. Yeah. Coaches are scouting. The scouters are building the indoor facility.

Yeah. But all their weapons. Hey, that stat about the last 16 quarterbacks never making it back to the Super Bowl, that lost in their debut is very alarming. But Joe Burrow debunks everything. Yeah. If there's a guy that could debunk it, it would be Joe Burrow. By the way, they're just building a bubble.

It's not an indoor facility. It's just a bubble. I don't think they have room to build a big old structure. Yeah, no, nobody does. NFL does. Yeah, of course NFL doesn't have a building. But they're right there on the river. Hey, I'm happy to put a fucking bubble here.

The players lot floods when the river gets hot. Of course. Of course, the lot gets flooded. I don't know if it does anymore. Yeah, I mean, that's just classic. It probably does. Classic Bengals. Tough, good grit.

But the bubble thing, Duquesne, which would have been an Ivy League school if there was more grass, is literally downtown right next to the jail. They've had a bubble on that field for like 30 years at this point. The Bengals not having a bubble. that's pretty easy to construct yeah i mean it's pretty i don't want to sound like uh somebody that builds bubbles but it feels like that's just something you kind of lay the outline and then i think air does a lot of the work i just laid it yeah i don't think that's happening not nowadays i don't think so maybe i think they have the pumps in cincy maybe if they're amish you're right maybe if they're Amish. You're right. Maybe if they're Amish.

Actually, everybody's on bikes. Blowing the fans. Like a Mario party. I'm happy for the Bengals, though. Getting an indoor facility. A bubble. Got a lineman. Made for the Super Bowl. L. Collins. Protecting Burrow. Hey, you got a security guy now.

Ain't nobody touching you. They got all their weapons back. Jamar Chase seems to be super chill and cool. Uzama's the only one. And then, but Boyd. Where's Uzama? Jets.

Oh, yeah. That's right. Because everybody said, but it wasn't because of that. Not true. And his girl is not happy about it. Well, I know why. It was pretty loud on the internet.

Very. Was it really? I saw his response. I didn't hear the initial. You're never on the internet, though, except for the super the super toxic parts like the actual football talk was like why would this fucking guy go to the jets and then everybody started piecing it together and then all of a sudden i know where he was in a full-blown relationship uh with somebody and he had actually come out and say um you have made my life a living hell at home internet okay there's no

reason for this i just signed a deal got more money than I could have ever imagined, and now my girlfriend hates me. So thank you guys for doing this, but that is not true at all. Thanks, guys. Why did he go to the Jets, though? I mean, they have money, I guess. They're building something. Yeah, they're building something down there.

I apologize to Jets fans, which there are not many that watch this show, I'd assume. That team feels better than ever, right? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, just look at the division. That's what I'm saying. Buffalo, wagon.

Unreal. Miami investing. Yeah. New England's New England. And then you got Bob and Zach down there in New York, and it's like, I like them both. I like them both. I like them both. I like them both as people.

But, God damn, that is a tough team to be like, yeah, the future looks bright there with everything else going on in that division there. But if, you know, if Debo does get traded, it feels like the Jets are going to be the team that gets him. And then that kind of does change. That's a game changer. Yeah, that changes a lot. Here we go.

Hey, now the Jets are back. Hey. Elijah. Here we go. I think their ceiling is still probably about six wins. Seven wins. Here we go. Hey, now the Jets are back. Hey. Elijah. Here we go. I think their ceiling's still probably about six wins. They're back. You're a bad guy, Ty. All right.

We're back tomorrow. Can't thank everybody enough. Big guest tomorrow. Huge. Who you got? You tell us, dude. You have no idea. I like to keep the people waiting.

A little tease for 20 hours. I think we have somebody in studio tomorrow. Whoa. Ooh. Matt Ryan in studio tomorrow. Whoa. Wow. Matt Ryan will be in studio right here tomorrow.

Whoa. Quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts. Welcome to Thunderdome, pal. Hell yeah. Welcome to Thunderdome. We got questions. How's ice last under thunder? We're going to find out. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Thunder,ome. We got questions. How's ice last under thunder? We're going to find out.

Thunder, lightning, and ice tomorrow. Wednesday, April 27th. Pat McAfee show. Hell yeah. Live in Indianapolis, Indiana. Hell yeah. Draft spectacular Eve. Boom.

Good luck sleeping. I'm not going to be able to. Matt Ryan coming in here tomorrow? No way. Now, people are going to take this as a shot at Carl. This is not a shot at Carl. It feels a lot better with Matt Ryan as your quarterback. Duh.

Man, this year feels a lot better. What a shot. No, no, no. He's won an MVP. That's a big shot. I'm living in the moment. I'm living in the moment. Just let a team do a Super Bowl.

You didn't even have to mention Carson Wentz, though. You could have just said how happy you were that Matt Ryan is. But I always do that. If you ever hear me speak, I try to give out every single thing that could potentially come from what I'm about to say to let people know that I acknowledge what you might say and I acknowledge why you feel the way you feel. I'm just letting you know how I feel on the other side of it,

and I don't want you to hold it against me. So I don't mean this to be a shot at Carson Wentz. Shout out to Carson Wentz. But goddamn, I feel good with Matt Ryan at the helm of the Indianapolis Colts. I feel really good. So do I. I think it's justified. I agree.

Thank you. And that's not a shot from you. That's me speaking with how I feel like Matt Ryan can still play. Like, he's that good. He brings – when you have a guy like that, it brings instant credibility to the whole team, think well and it's like i said oh there's no chance matt ryan sprains both of his ankles on one play no no maybe one on a different play but not both no my kid is like broken because he'll get caught sure might have an arm that gets dislocated liam and falls into

he's not going to attempt to throw an interception with Aaron Donald spraining both of his ankles at the same fucking time. Not a chance. And that is great to think about going into a season. Yeah. And I didn't even know that was possible last season, but I knew that there was a lot of question marks going into the year about whether or not what happened in Philly was going to carry over to here.

Frank Reich and him get along. They got Jesus. They got the whole thing. Okay, here we go. Ah, ah, ah, ah, oh, oh, oh. I know there's a lot of synergies And stuff like that But then As the season

What was that about? It was just like a marriage Yeah It was like a camaraderie Fellowship Well a marriage And two become one yeah like a circle you don't know about that not like a triangle like the squared circle where's chiampa all right dude his name's chiampa okay and i do find it incredibly ironic that the day you mentioned Chompa incorrectly,

he does get an entire name change. Was I incorrect? Yes. You guys were calling him the name that he is no longer going by, just like your other boy Austin who you beat off. As you said, you beat his name off. You just mispronounced Ciampa's name, though. But also, Ciampa wasn't Ciampa.

You guys were calling him by a name that started with a T. No, but you... That name has been dropped. Am I wrong? No, but you called somebody that was not Tommaso Ciampa, Tommaso Ciampa. It just so happened that in the same day that you mentioned this, his name is now just officially Ciampa. There's no more Tommaso, Tommaso.

So who was I talking about? You were talking about Butch. Yeah, it was Butch. Son of a bitch. Where are you getting your dirt from? Who can keep any of this straight? Got to follow the product. I'm trying to follow the programs.

There's just like 200 programs at once. I need a cheat sheet Butch is missing Butch is missing He and old Elias are hanging out somewhere Now Elias actually Corey Graves last night said he saw him at LAX Had his guitar

Corey Graves said that last night Was Butch in the guitar case? No I don't think Butch was with Elias But you're right There was no follow up from the other commentators. Well, that's a miss. Which, by the way, what the fuck, Jimmy? That's a miss.

Byron, like Corey just said that, oh, I saw Elias at LAX on my way home from my honeymoon. Congrats on getting married, by the way, Corey. I saw Elias at LAX on my way home from the honeymoon. He's fine. He's happy for Ezekiel or something like that. And then he hops on a plane and flies to the show or whatever. So then Jimmy and Byron Saxon were just like, oh, here's Ezekiel. He's wearing tassels now.

How do we not get a follow-up? Everybody's wondering where the hell Elias is. It was addressed last night, but not fully. Anyways, Ezekiel is Elias' younger brother. Both want to – or from our area, I guess. Butch is missing. Chompa is just Chompa now. That's Butch. Come home, Butch. Miss you, Butch. Can I see a just Ciampa now That's Butch

Come home Butch Can I see a picture of Ciampa now? What's that pal? Can I see a picture of Ciampa then? It's Ciampa Stop fucking saying his name wrong You already confused me How is anyone supposed to follow the program

People don't have rocks for brains Shoot me straight here I am. AJ doesn't like Butch because Butch replaced AJ on your team. Oh, yeah, because Butch, who was at the time being called Pete Dunn because I wasn't good enough friends with him. Oh, here we go. Okay.

I'm never going to forget this. I thought that was Butch's brother. It was Chompa. Is his full name Butch Dunn? He was absolutely dreaded. I remember. That's Chompa. Is his full name Butch Dunn? He was absolutely dreaded, I remember. That's Chompa. Yeah, he's yoked. What'd you say?

Is his full name Butch Dunn? No. Or Pete Butch? That's Butch. That's Chompa. Butch. Chompa. Butch.

You're really similar. Chompa. Is Butch Pete Dunn's brother? Is Pete Dunn missing? No, Pete Dunn is Butch. Butch is Pete Dunn. Butch is referred to as Butch, not his birth name, Pete Dunne, whenever he's hanging out with Seamus and Rich Hall.

That's his old crowd. It's her nickname. Hey, you're not Anthony DiGiglio whenever you're with us. Correct. Hey, it's fucking Tone. Yeah. He's Butch with the lads. Exactly.

He's back with the lads. Oh, so it's like Gump and I got it. And Kyle. Yeah. Right. Booze and butch boom and then theory is just theory he lost the name austin we don't know why because he sucks probably yeah it'll become a fact there's a chance that vince whenever he was in the ring and that glass

broke he was like nobody else should should be referencing Austin at all. Get that fucking name out of here. Alright? Your name's Therino. There's only one Austin around here, and that's 360. What? What? What?

Yeah, Riddle is just Riddle. He used to be Matt Riddle, now he's just Riddle. Oh, he's just Riddle? I like that crew. I like your old RK bro. Oh, yeah. Celebrated Randy 20 years. Congrats, Randy. Thank you, Randy.

Thank you, Legend Killer. Thanks for coming on the show, Randy. Great conversation. Great guy. Thanks to Sonya for joining us. Charles Davis brought great energy. Bob Carpenter stopped by. Where's Doudrop?

Where is Doudrop? That's a great question. Tell you what. The hell was that? I thought he was hanging out with another old wrestler, but I don't think he is. Doodrip is a she, you asswipe. I'm not talking about Doodrip.

I was thinking of another wrestler. Oh, yeah. You were. You son of a bitch. Doodrip is. Yeah bet you were. Son of a bitch. Yeah, you do. Do I? Yeah, you do. Is that even the name?

Doudrop? Oh, okay. How dare you? So toxic. Yeah. Did you see the joy? Jesus Christ. There was something so terrible about to come you see the joy? Yeah. Jesus Christ. There was something so terrible about to come out of your mouth.

You held it back. You don't ever hold it back. Zeke just sent me a picture of Doudrop, if that's the name. I have no idea who this wrestler is. I've never seen her. But there was another wrestler. I was laughing because I was going to reference another wrestler who was one of my favorite. No, not Bob Backlund.

He's one of my favorites that wrestles. I don't want to mention him. Is it Veer? Because when is he going to get arrested for murder? Yeah. Mr. Smothers last night. Where are they finding these guys? Those guys win 100 person Royal Rumbles in the town to get a chance to get on to Monday Night Raw

or Smackdown. Teddy Goods. Teddy Goods on Friday. He ran into SmackDown. Teddy Goods. Teddy Goods on Friday. He ran into some... He ran into a problem. Yeah. Teddy Goods. Jeez Louise. Veer Mahan's gonna kill... Yeah.

Boom. Well, Gunther and Veer Mahan appear to be... I was reading the... I was reading the dirt sheets. People think Veer and Butch at SummerSlam. Veer fucking wishes. Better find him. Yeah, we gotta find Butch by SummerSlam. Veer fucking wishes.

Better find him. Yeah, we got to find Butch by SummerSlam. When's that, July? Come on, Butch. That match would never end. He tweeted every, or he Instagrammed everywhere probably. Who is this? That's Veer, dude.

That's Veer. Veer Mahan. This guy actually ended up dying later at the hospital. Yeah, I mean, he's killed people for the last three weeks. That's his devastating maneuver there. It's like a... That's a veer veer. When you get into that, you're in trouble.

Yeah. Million dollar arm clothesline starts this whole thing. And then he drops his ass and middle area on your middle area, breaking all your ribs. And then he rakes your head sideways to break your neck. Is it called the Million Dollar Arm Clothesline? Because that's awesome. I think they call it the Million Dollar Arm.

That's awesome. I don't want to be rude, but who the hell is that other guy? That's Bill. That's local, guy. Oh, that's the local 100-person Royal Rumble team. That guy's trying to beat Veer and upset of the year. Get a fucking job with WWE. He's saying it's Bill McComas on the ooze.

That's Bill. Is that Royded Bill? He's saying Bill McComas on the ooze. Is that roided, Bill? Let's see that. Zoom in on this guy. Bill's... I said, where? You might be with Butch. That does look like Bill. Big motor right there. Come on, Bill. Billy Butch. That looks like it hurts. Yes. That looks like it hurts.

Yes, it looks like it hurts. What are you talking about? Yes, it hurts. The guy tapped out for his life. Everybody has. Such an idiot. The whole thing is bizarre. I love it.

It's fun. Bizarre? What is the whole world? It's vicious. It's fun. Try to follow it. It's fun. Listen, we just got to find Butch.

Come home, Butch. Come on. You too, Chompa. Finally, you pronounce it right. Chompa's home. He attacked somebody last night, Chompa. Yeah. I forget.

Don't be calling him Tomasino. What? Solid press release. All right, that's the show. Thank you, AJ. Really making things press release. All right. That's the show. Thank you, AJ. Really making things better here. Okay.

These are questions that I bet fans have that I'm just channeling their questions. No, they follow the program. They actually know John's name. Every one of them can follow all the programs? Yeah. It's easy to follow. Yeah. I'll try to do better.

It's like one big soap opera. I know. That's how everybody should view it. It's fun. Believe me. I know. I got to meet him. I'll try to do better. It's like one big soap opera. I know. That's how everybody should view it. It's fun. Believe me. I know. I got to meet him. They're awesome people, too.

So I enjoy it. I'm glad I'm getting into it because of you. You didn't meet Shanky, dude. Hey, Shanky's a big son of a bitch. He's got like a nine-foot reach. Really? Yeah, his arms. He's a smanky.

Smanky around. Friday show is going to be incredible. Reach. Really? Yeah, it's Arch. Mikey. Smack you around. Watch. Friday show is going to be incredible. Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me? Coming up. Absolute banger, is it? You know where it is.

It's awesome. Wherever Butch is. Well, Butch probably not there, actually. Maybe. Is Butch Ben Simmons? Is he done? Does he not work? Whoa.

Butch Simmons. I'm not saying it. I like Butch. Is that his last name? I'm not saying it. No, no, no Is that his last name? I'm not saying it. No, no, no, no, no. He wants to work. He gets so passionate.

He's too passionate. Ben Simmons' younger brother would be a Butch. Simmons? Yeah. Come on back, Butch. We need you, Butch. We miss you, Butch. Seamus is looking for him.

Seamus is actually worried. Find him, Seamus. Seamus is the leader of that group. Yeah. All right. Hammer him, Sheamus. Sheamus is the leader of that group. Yeah. All right, hammered down some 15. It was 333 with 33 seconds

right there when I looked up. That's great luck. That's really good luck. It's good news, but up to something season being delayed, potentially ended.

Did you hear about this? That's how I started the show today. No. Up to something season I think is over. I doubt it, but why?

He said, as long as H.A. Hawk's on the show, I don't know if we can do this. And we said, well, sorry. Sorry about it. He's staying. This is good negotiating. Well, actually, there's a couple different situations popping off

where I don't know if I want to do any of them, which is fascinating, you know? I mean, it is kind of a weird spot because you have awesome opportunities, but you also there's only one of you. Well, there's a lot of us. There's only one of this show. I know that I'm very thankful and lucky for it. But every decision is very fascinating to make now at this point, because back and I say this on my Instagram story was real. When I met with Jim when I retired, you know, we had a great 90 minute conversation it was just weaving through like life lessons and old stories and he was obviously like brother you're coming back you're gonna kick for us or whatever but then he was you know talking to me

about running a business and everything like that and he got like real serious with one of them while he was hitting a vape and the smoke was like massive that is awesome it was awesome he's at his desk it was so cool i remember like just taking it in this amazing he said are you going to be able to make the hard decisions that business owners have to make brother and he went in to make a couple different metaphors but then he actually talked about business about how like how something for today might not be as good as a year from now you have to map out all that you have to zoom out 30 000 foot view and you have to look at opportunities and distractions and make a confident decision blah blah blah and he was 100% right it was a lot easier to make a lot of decisions when I hated everybody you know and like when I'm making

negotiate when I'm negotiating with people I'm like oh I hate this person this person's an idiot I've seen decisions this person made in the past I don't give a damn about this person if this deal happens it happens if it doesn't it doesn't that's a lot easier to do now it's like i i get respected in the conversations that i have with people so like i can't just hate everybody so now like i have to deal with like the emotions and like humans side of it and then also what is good for our business what is good for our business right now versus a year from now two years from now three years from now it is it's been an interesting it's been interesting ride here the last couple weeks for sure. And I don't know how it's going to end.

I have no idea how it's going to end. I think up to something season is delayed though, I think. I want to enjoy. You know what I mean? I want to enjoy Draft Spectacular. The weather's turning. I got golf in Tahoe. It's like I don't have time to go back and forth on what. I'm not doing it.

I'm working on the game. My gut feeling has been pretty solid throughout the entirety of this business run here. I don't have time to go back and forth on what I'm not doing it. Working on the game. You know, my gut feeling has been pretty solid throughout the entirety of this business run here. It just feels like the last couple of days I woke up and the guts been like, Ooh, time to move on pal. Well, sometimes you got to trust it.

I trust it way too much. Way, way. I mean, I'm retired. I left. I mean, I've done,

I trust my gut way, way, way too much it has all worked out but the that intuition feeling is a fascinating one because there's a reason it's happening and i believe in the universe telling me stuff so whenever the universe tells me and some people say well that's god speaking to you that's whatever however you want to describe it hopefully i'll be able to figure that out someday too before i die so i get to the good place inside the bad place but like when the universe delivers me stuff, like I take it serious.

Like I listen to it, you know, and I think intuition is one of those things. And I've always held it very, very high in the ranking of voting. Like my intuition, just natural gut feeling that people talk about. It has worked thus far. It has not made everything as easy as possible because it's tough to explain sometimes. But then, you know, hindsight, you look back, you're like, ah, probably right move in the end if we had to guess. You're the only person that knows how you feel about it and how you think it may

affect you in the future. So, yeah, you should trust it. Well, what if it's wrong? Hasn't been. Can't be wrong. Either way, it can't be wrong. Yeah, because it's all going to work out because it has to. That's what you told me. All right, up something season's over.

I wasn't trying to talk you out of anything. No, no. You sound like you were. I was telling you, trust it. We know this is, what is it, 337? We know by 340 it might be back on. No, no, no, not in this type of stuff. I feel like I'm actually pretty calculated when it comes to those

types of decisions. I feel like it. Good gambler. Pretty good gambler thus far in this entire business thing. I just saw too the USFL has a team called the Gamblers, so I think I'm back in. Their reality show debuts next Monday. Okay. Their ratings

have not been in for the USFL weekend, I guess. I would not release those. Still counting them. Taking too long to count all the numbers. Well, probably. They ran out of fingers. The Skitch and Shannon That was rude. No, I think you're right on it, though. I do think if I

You know, the guy that pitched me from Fox to kick in that league? Yeah. I think I would have brought another 10, 15 people to the stands. At least. Week two. I think I would have got some more another 10, 15 people to the stands. At least. Week two. I think I would have got some more people to come watch me kick a ball. Sure. Because I got to plumb for a little bit. People come watch the big football whacking guy for a couple games.

Maybe I'll do that for the USFL again. I mean, now looking at the XFL, too, what a success that was. Because in comparison. Legit. Yeah. Million people per. Exactly. Those were actual bunch of fans in the stands.

They were drinking beers after they scored touchdowns. That was awesome. By the way, I don't think The Rock is going to fail. I think that'll hit as well. It's over. Don't ever try it again. If The Rock can't make it happen, don't ever do it again. Nobody can.

New episode of Young Rock tonight. Can't wait to watch it. Yeah, for sure. Pumped. Maybe that's what I'm up to something. Am I in Young Rock tonight? Holy shit. Whoa. Oh. What?

What if they have a guy playing you? I asked Vince, remember I asked Vince if he had seen the guy on Young Rock playing him. Nope. Will you ever see? Probably not. It was like a quick burial. We laughed at it. But like, I've seen the guy on Young Rock playing? No. Will you ever see? Probably not. It was like a quick burial. We laughed at it. But like, I've seen people do impressions of me before to me.

Anyone any good? Yeah, I think everybody's good. Okay, cool. I'm sure. I've never seen a good one. Everybody's natural reaction is to hate the person doing the impression of them. So I don't want to be that person. Sure.

And it is hard for me to, you know, because I don't watch a lot of our shit back i i don't listen to me i have enough of me already but some of the impressions of me i think have been rather terrible right in my yeah i'll say oh yeah somebody will get it good though i can't wait for it one day you know we got an aj frank caliendo still waiting on his oh yeah he. Well, he said he's working on Frank. He literally is like obsessive, right? He won't debut anything unless it is perfect. Yeah, he's like one of those guys. Some people are not that way. Well, the Internet.

Sure. We're not perfect either. So no, nobody is. No. All right. Up to something. Season's over. Kind of a dub.

But that's what up to something. Season's over. That's a dud. But that's what Up to Something season's all about. That's right. Maybe next season. Maybe next Up to Something season. AJ, we'll see you tomorrow, buddy. Tomorrow, Matty Ryan live in stew. Hell yeah.

Turn your thermostats on. He'll be awesome. He will be. It's going to get icy. That's right. All right. You guys are the best. Hammerdown's in 20 minutes.

Can't wait to watch. Tomorrow night, let's not forget Hockey Talk, too. Yeah, hell yeah. That's Hockey Talk with Frankie Moroto. APMYouTube.com forward slash that's Hockey Talk. Is Rupp around? Yeah. Rupp.

Rupp's from the Gulls. Last week of the season. Really? We'll start next week. Hell yeah. I'll start tonight, actually. Wow. Wow, you guys got to win the game.

Texas Hockey and Vegas. If Texas Hockey wins, they clinch the last spot. If they lose, they're out? If they lose, Vegas could sneak in still. Stoner playing? I don't care anymore. We got the draft on Thursday. I've watched every Yankees game so far this year.

I don't give a fuck about the Golden Knights. If they get in, I'll watch it. I ain't going to be losing any fucking sleep over them losing tonight. All right. Shout out to the Golden Knights. Yeah, shout out. Let's go, Pence. See you all tomorrow.

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