The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 652 - IT'S DRAFT SPECTACULAR DAY, Kurt Warner, Peter Schrager, Daniel Jeremiah, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: April 28, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about tonight's Draft Spectacular LIVE tonight at 8 PM EST on youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow, and are joined by three great guests(Kurt Warner 16:33-40:58, Peter Schrager 1:04:05, & Daniel Jeremiah 1:44:07) to talk all things NFL Draft, and what we can expect to happen tonight. Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It is finally and officially Draft Spectacular Thursday! Let's go! I am so pumped and excited for tonight. Tonight is obviously our biggest, our longest, our worst, and our best show that we ever put on. Tonight is the 5-hour, 6-hour, maybe 7-hour Draft Spectacular where we will be live throughout the entirety of the first round. Dreams will come true tonight. Lives will be changed. Leagues will be rattled.

Teams will be booed and applauded. Tonight, everybody has hope. Tonight, a lot of things can happen. And also tonight, it could be the most boring fucking five hours of all time. It could be. These are the things that can happen. These are the things that we've been thinking about the last few days in preparation for our third annual draft spectacular.

Really, the only thing that our company has been able to stick with over a long period of time is the first round of the draft. And it's because after we just got through these last few weeks of no football, the NFL draft is that same feeling that the Hall of Fame game gives us late in the summer. The Hall of Fame game is the NFL being played. And we get excited and pumped. And then one series happens. And then two series happens.

And we go, this is not fucking NFL football. What are we doing? And we have another three days to wait for another batch of bad games. That's right. And then another month still until actual good football. That is what the draft is for the offseason. This is the NFL. This is the new season starting.

Although the free agency period has happened and the OTAs are already taking place, this is really the kickoff of the next season. This is the kickoff of what a franchise is going to try to become. Where are they going to try to go? Are they moving up and getting a quarterback? Oh my God. Are they moving back trying to get the hell out of there and saying, we feel pretty good about our roster. We're going to make moves elsewhere. What will tonight tell us? Maybe nothing, maybe something, but we get excited because it is a little piece of the NFL happening in a very dry, dry, bad sport happening time of the calendar. Now, the NBA has had a great time.

Oh, yeah. Sure. Oh, yeah. Sure. And the USFL had, you know, 15, 20 minutes. They did. Chicken salad. Well, that was the problem.

Hard to support a league where players are getting cut for picking pizza over chicken salad. That's right. That amongst other things. But anyways, baseball is happening. Oh, yeah. It stinks. Okay, we know it stinks. Everybody knows it stinks.

Players are even saying it stinks this year. I guess there was a national news report that players aren't happy because they're getting beamed with balls or something like that. What are you going to do? My wife asked me. She said, hey, I was watching the nightly news or the morning news, one of them, the national news, and I guess the baseball players aren't happy with the balls because they're getting beamed and things are happening. And she was like, you guys were talking about the balls just a couple days ago. Baseball went from bad to worse somehow after a lockout where they almost lost the entire thing.

What the fuck happened with baseball? Baseball is still bad to worse somehow after a lockout where they almost lost the entire thing. What the fuck happened with baseball? Baseball is still phenomenal, believe me. Fighting is good for the sport. Fighting is good for the sport. Oh, so they're fighting more? Yeah. Oh, I love it. Here we go.

Okay. Because hockey is trying to get rid of them. We're like, hockey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's part of the game. Mets and Cards, they cleared the bench yesterday. Mm-hmm. Are they throwing it from this? Any spears or is it a lot of like 2022?

Yeah. You know what it's like. Oh, so they're not fighting. bench yesterday. Are they throwing from this? Any spears or is it a lot of like 2022? Ha ha ha. You know what it's Oh, so they're not. So it's actually setting up for worse moments that we don't even respect at all. Is that what's going on?

Is it bad baseball? I don't think that's what's going on. Hey, you take the spider attack away. Guess what? These guys are going to throw in

100 miles an hour. You know, one of them is going to slip. Okay. And you're going to hit a guy right in the head and maybe

kill him and the benches are going to clear. It's going to happen. Bring back the spider attack. Bring back the, you know, enhancers. The juice. Well, the pieces of gum that up your testosterone

because of how hard you have to chew it and it makes your testosterone naturally go. And the juice. Well, listen, I can't promote that because we don't know what that's going to do long term, but we do know in the short term it would make them hit fucking bombs. And it would be so much fun to watch if that was happening.

And we got a chance to dabble in that earlier in our lives, you know, when everybody was just walking around strapped. Oh, yeah, swinging tree trunks. It was a bodybuilder expo in the batter's box basically the entire summer of one MLB season. These monsters would walk into the goddamn batter's box, and there'd be boats in every river behind the stadium. They'd be like, oh, it might hit our fucking river tonight.

And then now, nobody even goes in those waters. Nobody even has any thought or process that that's going to happen. There was guys that were batting eighth that were hitting homers all of a sudden. I mean, it was a great time. Well, it turns out they could see the ball better because their eyes were getting better from the shit that they were taking. Their hand speed was much faster because of the shit that they were taking.

The muscles that were attached to the arms that were holding the hands that were much faster than they were in the past, much bigger, stronger, and more sturdy. And their legs also doubled the size because they were doing a lot of leg exercise. They were able to heal quicker so they could actually work out more often and not even have to go through the sore phase that normally would slow people down from getting another workout in. That plus getting enhancements on top of creatine that actually build the muscle quicker.

So they had absolute specimens all around the ballpark back in the day. And who knows what's going to happen long-term to them. A lot of their heads go a lot bigger. Their brains got bigger too. They got much smarter. Baseball IQ brains got bigger, too. Much smarter. Baseball IQs got much bigger all of a sudden. Their hats weren't even fitting anymore. They actually looked like zoomed-in versions of what they used to look like.

It was just kind of like that. And they'll probably all have something terrible happen to them in the long run. Oh, yeah. But, God damn, those ratings were high. Yes, they were. Yes, they were. So, with that being said, that ain't happening anymore. Baseball fucking stinks. So, they were. Yes, they were. So that being said, that ain't happening anymore. Baseball fucking stinks.

So when the NFL has their draft and we get a chance to look at the potential future of the league, it is exciting for everybody. The most excited I am, every single draft spectacular,

is for what the hell is going to happen to our guy, Ty Schmidt. The toxic table is here at Boston Connor. Celtics looking to sweep, huh? Oh, yeah.

Great job. Steph scored 35 last night. Yeah, we're on to the next game. He started. Weics looking to sweep, huh? Oh, yeah. Great job. Steph scored 35 last night. Yeah, we're on to the next game. They started. We're on to the next game. He did score 30. They did win. He did look impressive. That Golden State team stole a wagon. Joker's fun to watch. He's unbelievable. Back-to-back MVPs, bro.

I don't watch the NBA much, and I realized that whenever I was like, oh, this guy's fucking fun to watch. He had that no-look pass. He was taking rebound. Seven-footer, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rebound, fast break.

Point forward. He's a dog. He's a beast. He's got his brothers, too. So you know he's a dog. Yeah, and his brothers took that guy out. Oh, yeah. Well, he took that guy out.

And his brothers are going to take his brothers out. Yeah, same in Miami. So good luck to the Celtics. But, Ty, good luck to the Packers tonight. Good luck. Honestly, every single team. And good luck to the Packers tonight. Good luck. Honestly, every single team and Connor, the Patriots, I don't feel like the draft is, literally the draft might be the smallest two Patriots fans.

And that might be because of all their success and where they've always picked basically for an entire life for this guy and a lot of other people in New England. But the Packers have been the stars of the draft the last couple years. Two years ago, Jordan Love, they traded into the first round. Oh, my God, here we go. We're going to get a wide receiver? No.

Nope. Quarterback. Aaron Rodgers was on our show earlier that night. He was. He said, you know, hey, who knows? Maybe we move up tonight. Maybe we get a wide receiver. Maybe we do something like that.

He was scheduled to join us. That's right, right after the pick. Right after the Packers pick. He was scheduled to join us. Pack's right, right after the pick. Right after the Packers pick. He was scheduled to join us. Packers trade up. Draft Jordan Love. You have one of the best moments in the history of Internet or television or anything where your genuine emotion while you were dressed up as Mad Mel Kiper came through there.

And then we decided at that moment, well, we're not going to call Aaron. We're not going to call Aaron back. Probably wise. There's no reason for that. moment well we're not going to call aaron not going to call aaron back probably there's no reason for that and then that started an entire thing that led into a glorious rekindling of a relationship here yeah with and by the way we learned about a lot through that draft yeah oh yeah from that entire thing oh yeah then last year accumulation of information oh my god because of potentially what happened a draft ago that was just almost an icebreaker, it felt like, on our – or a glacier breaker that was on top of everything.

Aaron and the Green Bay Packers maybe not going to be back. That rattled the entire draft day. I mean, is this just going to be a calm, cool, collected draft day for the Green Bay Packers? And how weird would that be for you and for our show if that was the take? Yeah, it would definitely be weird i think it's a little bit different because last year i almost didn't care about the draft because all of the rogers news came out before the draft started so in my head the entire time i was like well it doesn't fucking matter who they're gonna pick because they're gonna get rid of rogers we're not gonna have him next year and the packers are gonna stink but i can't remember the last time i

don't know if they've ever had two first round picks in my lifetime. So I am incredibly juiced up tonight. So excited for the draft itself to see what they do. Eight teams have two picks in tonight's first round of the NFL draft. You do some quick math. Oh my god, half the picks

are in the corner of the teams. Half the picks, corner of the teams. So you would assume, right, especially of what we're hearing, there's going to be a lot of trades. If you have two picks,

you can obviously bundle those and move up or you can trade one of those away especially if everybody's saying that everybody in this area is about the same and somebody might be looking

to get up in there. And who knows what the price is going to be to go up because I know that there's a pamphlet or a book that I think... Jimmy Johnson. I i think jimmy johnson i almost said jimmy johnson but i i didn't know jimmy johnson was doing there's an entire pamphlet or book that everybody

kind of uh reads as gospel about what each pick is worth and what you should trade for it's almost like a blue book for uh general managers on whenever they're trying to work deals and trades but all that can go out the window. We saw what happened with Bo Callahan. That's right. With Kevin Costner. That's right. Draft day.

Yeah. I watched Tom Telesco, who will be joining us tonight during the Draft Spectacular, watch draft day for the first time. It's on the Chargers YouTube. It was a great piece of content. Yeah. It was amazing. It was a great, great piece of content.

Him going, I don't know if that's necessarily. Yeah. It doesn't seem to be. That would be unadvisable, he said, to a couple of different things. But his big takeaway, it seemed like, was in the back, the very tiny draft boards that they had. He actually stopped the movie a couple. Stop, back, please.

Sorry, go back, please. That's the worst draft board I've ever seen. He said, that can't be their draft board. That is so small. They have one player at each position. What is this? Because I guess the draft board is what they were putting together this entire last couple months. The draft board, I believe, is their...

What was that thing on top of the mountain? Pantheon? No, what was that thing on top of the volcano? The tablets? Yeah. Ten Commandments. Mount Sinai. Pantheon is the top group of-

Don't drink Sinai. It's bad for you. And Kool-Aid if you're in Jones. But I'm talking about, this is their- Like, their draft board is their everything. So I think whenever he saw the draft boards on a movie called Draft Day, and it was about drafting somebody, he was visibly upset that the lack of respect that was shown

to what a draft board actually is. And tonight we're in the war room. So tonight we're in the war room with Tom Telesco of the Los Angeles Chargers, with Chris Ballard of the Indianapolis Colts, with, and this is a big announcement, Cliff Kingsbury. Wow. Cliff Kingsbury will be live tonight, and I know he's not the GM Steve Keim is,

but I believe he's in the goddamn room. I would have to. And he just got re-upped, too, him and Steve, so I'm excited to chat with him. Very thankful for all of them saying, yes, they'll spend time with us. Obviously, Aaron Rodgers will be there stopping by. I think late.

I think late. Okay. I think late. We're trying to work with everybody's. Yeah, selection. You know, because we're dabbling into the war rooms. So, like, they are working there. But there is some times in these nine hours, I guess,

where they aren't necessarily in the middle. But what if we're on the phone with somebody and all of a sudden another GM calls and says, let's make a trade? Oh, that's what we're looking for. Yes. That's what we're looking for. No, don't go. You can do that.

Can we listen? Tom Telesco, when he was watching draft day, said he had a couple good stories that he couldn't tell. He said, oh, a couple good stories. Never on camera, though. Never on camera. Damn. I love when he was talking about the intern thing, too.

When he was an intern? No. The intern at draft day. Yeah, he was like, very weird to have a brand new intern on draft night. Yeah, this is so, let me get this straight. There's an intern outside of my office that I've never met before on draft day, basically. He said, this is our biggest day. Something that's a little suspicious.

I was like that. But he comes from the Bill Polian tree. And there was numerous times, and I'm not, I'm shitting you not, where somebody in that department of like scouting and front office and everything like that, like pointed at a random plane that would be flying over or a helicopter or something, or a training camp,

a person that looked like they were certainly working as opposed to just watching. And, uh, oh, that's, that's a fucking Patriots got right there. They're watching us as Bill Belichick.

And then they would go and they would go ask somebody else like, Hey, do you agree? that's that's a fucking patriot scout right there they're watching us that's bill belichick and then they would go and they would go ask somebody else like hey do you agree and it would become and the only reason why i would notice is because i'm standing alongside the practice field as well and i'm watching people just do inevitably get bored so you're watching people's mannerisms and who's going where and who's talking to who that's like a big part of it almost like oh i wonder what the fuck they're talking about over there. And then you see them like point. So inevitably I'd go over and I'm asking them like, what are we,

what are we looking at? And they're like, you think that person looks a little bit too interested in that drill right there? I'm like, uh, now that you say, yeah, big fan, big fan. They're like big fan. Yeah. Probably have a fucking camera on his sunglasses.

And I go, we're going to go talk to bill. And they like would walk off and i'm like oh this is awesome so then i asked adam vinatieri i'm like vinatieri they just told me that they think that guy's a patriot scout right there there's no way that's a patriot scout right there right and is this how everybody acts and uh vinnie goes hey it might be a patriot scout and he would say he said by the way there's probably numerous team scouts that are here right now at this thing and they just need to way, there's probably numerous team scouts that are here right now at this thing. And they just need to understand that that's probably happening or whatever.

And it's like, that's interesting because then you start thinking about everything. You start thinking about it. It's like the NFL is how can you gain an advantage at all? Oh, you're going to have an open practice? Oh, sweet. Oh, my wife and kids are going to be at that thing for sure. Big fans, by the way. And they might, I don't know, gather some information.

And that's why the Dallas Cowboys thing is so insane to all of us that their practice field is accessible basically to office buildings that are around the field that anybody could buy. There is a 100% chance that there is at least a team or two that have offices in that building under another business's name yeah watching their shit i mean if fans can just take videos of it let's assume teams will be able to do that but that's what we're talking about we're talking about the draft that's right can't wait can't wait you got to assume too at least one

or two of these teams are going to trade up and obviously leading up to this point debo samuel's been the biggest story. You wonder if one of these teams with the two picks, whether it be the Eagles, whether it be the Jets or the Giants, are just like, you know what? Fuck everybody on our board. Let's package these picks. Maybe add in another second. And let's just make an offer to Sam Fran for Debo because clearly he's not happy.

And maybe we can offer him something that Sam Fran can't. I completely forgot that A.J. Hawk was joining us right now oh my god aj i am so sorry oh my god i've been enjoying the show honestly i've just been enjoying a cigar there's no pressure to bring me in i'm so sorry it was 18 minutes to tell you well that's what zito i think zito was in the conversation, though. Zito was, you know, I was looking. He was paying attention because we got a guest that was supposed to join us four minutes ago. Oh, yeah. And then Zito actually said, oh, yeah, also AJ's on.

I don't think you heard me, but they're in the countdown. I said AJ's on, but he had some time. But we got into it so much. I am so sorry, AJ. I got lost in a moment. This is what I do. We talked about this yesterday. We literally talked about this yesterday.

I just kind of dive all in there. Tone Diggs is here. One after the hammer. Die. Cowboys, we are so incredibly lucky to be joined by a man whose road to the NFL was vastly different than many others. Go on to become an MVP, Hall of Famer, superstar. And the subject of a movie that I watched, okay, since the last time I've talked to this man. That's right.

And I did not expect the movie that I got. It tapped into feelings that I've never had watching a movie before. But it was awesome to learn about. Ladies and gentlemen, NFL Network stud, Kurt Warner. Yeah! Kurt! What's up, dude? What's going on, guys?

How we doing? Hey, we got to get right to it, okay? It is great to see you. You're an incredible person. Much better person than any of us could have imagined especially after watching the movie i did not know what i was signing up for there kurt you knew i didn't know what i was signing up for there that movie was being marketed on nfl network i am a sports stooge i don't watch those types of movies i got into that thing i was starting to get real feelings in there it was it was not what, but damn, it was put together very well. I tried to

let you know when I was on the show what the movie was all about. We talked about it. I said you'd love to see it with your wife and you were going to enjoy it and she might enjoy it even more than you did and I know you didn't buy into it because it's like well, it's got to be a football movie. Way more than a football movie

and so I'm glad that it got into a little bit of feelings. I need to see more of your feelings play out. So I'm glad that that tapped into it a little bit. Kurt, I wear a tank top every day and talk about the NFL every day, okay? Those are not feelings that I – but my wife did love it. We enjoyed the hell out of it. Best movie that I've ever seen in that category by far. Most of the – probably since Free Willy.

I think Free Willy was one of the, no, John Q. John Q. John Q got me. I think John, since John Q, definitely the most emotions I've ever experienced in a movie. So I appreciate the hell out of it. Now, let's talk about the NFL, Kurt. Everybody's talking about these quarterbacks. And obviously, you had a long road to get to the NFL with what you had to go through and everything and different teams you

thought you were going to be on in different moments. But you always had that drive and belief. And it felt like obviously your wife and family. These guys are getting buried right now, these quarterbacks publicly by everybody. None of these guys are first rounders. Nobody can change an organization. These guys are just here and is here. What do you think happens with the quarterbacks? And which one of these guys do you think can take it all and maybe become something sweet out of it? Well, here's the thing, Pat, as you were saying,

is that we throw around this word ceiling so much now that I feel like we're looking so much at athleticism. And we say to ourselves, well, this guy has a high ceiling because he runs fast and throws the ball far. I'm a firm believer that a high ceiling is based on what you do up here, what you do mentally, how you grow every year mentally, and can you get acclimated to the speed of the NFL game so you can translate what you did in college. All these guys did great things in college. They all were successful in college. We have no idea how that translates to the next level. We have very few sure things. And that's what always frustrates me when I hear people talk. It's like, well, he doesn't have a very big upside. He doesn't have a very big ceiling. I think a lot of people said that

about Tom Brady. Tom Brady doesn't throw the ball farther now than he did in college. His upside was what he became mentally and his ability to lead men. That, to me, is where it gets so frustrating every year when, oh, these guys have second round grades. Bottom line is, are they going to be able to become that guy at the next level? You mentioned my story, right? You could have looked at me physically and said, oh, you know, he's just a guy. He's just a guy. But it's about what you do and how you lead and what you do in the moment, and that becomes the hardest thing and why it's so hard to evaluate quarterbacks.

But I hate the fact that I read all these, well, he doesn't have a very big upside. You have no clue what he's going to develop into, especially mentally, and what he's going to be as a leader in that room. Because you guys know, both playing, it's about the leader. It's about believing that that guy will do what you need in the moment. Not that he can make every throw or he can throw it 80 yards. Do I believe I can win with that guy? And, you know, and that to me is what frustrates me when I hear these guys, you know, Kenny

Pickett, look what he did last year. How do you sit there and go, well, OK, there's no way that's going to translate. There's no way the guy can be good at the next level because he did one year and, you know, he's got a few deficiencies here and there. I mean, come on. I just, you know, it frustrates me because you guys know, if you don't have that guy, it doesn't matter. So, you know, quit knocking him down.

And if you believe a guy's got a chance, you take a chance with him. And then your hope is that they develop into the Tom Brady's and those types of guys that can – Kurt Warner's. Hell yeah. Take 50 sacks in one practice. Yeah. You got beat up.

Kurt, if you were the GM or an owner of a team, what are you looking for in a quarterback? How do you – like those things you can't – like you can't really measure exactly what kind of leader this person can be, but what do you – what would you look for if you needed to draft a quarterback in the top ten? For me, AJ, it's really just about things that I believe can translate, right? That's the hardest thing, as we say about court. It's hard to evaluate because

we're looking at the leadership and we want to know what they're going to be in the moment, and we don't know that. So I'm looking at things that translate. Decision making, you know, what's your consistency level in making the right decision, going the right place with the football, no matter what the surroundings are, the consistency by which you throw and understand how to make different kinds of throws. Those are things to me that can translate at the next level. You don't have to be different in those areas, again, as long as you acclimate to the speed of the game. And so consistency is always the key. We see a lot of guys around the league now that are really talented and can do a lot of things with the football or with their legs.

But the teams that go to championships, the teams that win in playoffs are because their quarterback is consistent with the football decision making, throwing it where it's supposed to be, when it's supposed to be there. That, to me, is the best way that things can translate at the next level. That's how I look at a quarterback. I'm not trying to project how far they're going to throw it or how fast they're going to run or are they going to be able to make eight guys

miss in the pocket. Do you care about their hand size? I don't care about their hand size. You've got big old hands, though, don't you? I do. I do have big mitts. Yeah. Big mitts out there. But I don't worry about it so much.

And I know it's probably a funny thing because I don't really worry about a quarterback fumbling the ball that much. That's not a – you know, because you guys know it happens, what, eight, nine, ten times in a season. And, again, I get it. We don't want to fumble the ball. We don't want to turn it over. But I just want to know if a guy can throw it.

And if a guy's got big enough hands to throw it and he threw it well at the last level, I'm not sitting here going, oh, he's not going to be able to do that at the NFL level. He's not going to be able to throw it at the NFL level because his hands are too small. You know, I don't buy into that. Kurt, this is not the question we should be asking you

on the first round of the draft day, but you just brought it up and I have to get a personal answer out of this. You struggle throwing like a college ball now after throwing an NFL ball? Do you throw ugly college ball or ugly high school ball because you throw an NFL ball? For instance, I think that transition from ball to ball is something though. No, I do believe it's something. I remember when I was in college, we played with like a thinner, longer football, and I went to the NFL ball, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I'm never going to be able to throw this. The thing is like it's like a watermelon. And then you're exactly right that my – coaching my son in high school,

I would always try to pull out the high school balls and be playing. And I'm like, man, this ball is awful. Like the NFL ball is the only ball I want to throw now because everything else feels funny in my hand so there's no question it's a transition and usually it's fatter than a lot of college balls but again I think it's it's more about time than it is anything else it just getting comfortable with what you're throwing as opposed to somebody's hand not being big enough to throw that football but yes i threw a lot of ducks with the nfl ball that

probably a lot more when i pick up the different college balls i picked up a cfl ball you know working with a guy a couple years ago and that thing is even smaller and fatter and i mean so yeah nfl ball is the perfect ball. Yes, I agree completely. I think it was after I... Did that happen in punting, too? Is that a punting thing, too? Yes, absolutely, because the sweet spot on the ball is a different spot. But I had a pass against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Thanksgiving.

I have a perfect passer rating on Thanksgiving games. It's the highest in the history of Thanksgiving games. But I had a pass, and it was nice and then the next year i go back to pittsburgh in like uh i'm at like event or whatever and they're throwing around like a college ball you know and it's like i'm literally in the middle of a conversation at an event about my dime i threw to eric swope and i'm throwing this college ball and it looks like a kickoff coming out of my head i mean i could not get that thing i could not get that i could not get it to spin good and it was a tough moment for coming out of my head. I mean, I could not get that thing. I could not get that.

I could not get it to spin. And it was a tough moment for me in front of like 20 people. I felt like an idiot. You know, the worst is when you have to go to a charity event, and they want you to throw out footballs, and they bring out those white panel footballs. Oh, so slick. They have no grip whatsoever. They're expecting you to throw the ball 45 yards to the guy in the back of the room

that's standing in front of a table full of glass. And they're like, hey, just drop a dime on him. And you're like, this is the worst feeling in the world. Because you know it's slipping. Hall of Famer. Hall of Fame quarterback. Still got it. Right.

Yeah, yeah. Let's talk about tonight's draft. It's nine hours long. We know nothing about it. You have a lot of insiders around the NFL, obviously Hall of Famer, a man very well respected. What are you hearing about tonight? Schefter put out a tweet, and he talked to an NFL executive veteran

of like 30 years. This is going to be the craziest draft ever. What does that mean? None of us know anything, it feels like. What are you expecting? You know, I think I'm expecting, you know, the fact that everybody sees this draft differently. And I think that's what's going to make it, you know, a fun draft is you're probably going to have some teams that look at the wide receiver class and they may take a wide receiver that a bunch of people have ranked three or four as the first wide receiver taken.

Or it could happen at offensive tackle. Quarterback. I mean, I don't think we have any idea what's going to happen at quarterback. I mean, we're even talking about, you know, Aiden Hutchinson seemed to be the consensus number one pick for the last four months. And all of a sudden now we're talking about other guys possibly being number one. Because I think everybody sees these, these you know the different position groups differently cornerback position sauce gardener versus Derek Stingley who goes first it's one of those guys jump up and that to me is what makes it fun is that there's no clear-cut guy I don't know you

know really at any of the positions where you say, oh, if this team takes an offensive tackle, they're going with this guy. If this team takes a wide receiver, they're picking this guy. We don't have that. And so that to me is what I hope happens is that we get just, you know, teams going. Hey, why is it like that? Is it because people are indecisive? Is it because people don't know? Is it because there's so many different philosophies? What do you think? No, I think it's because you've got a number of position groups that are really strong across the board. And a lot of it comes down to what is the scheme fit for you? What are you going to ask this guy to do? It's not like, oh, this guy can do everything and he's better than everybody else in every area. We're going there. You look wide receivers you know from Garrett Wilson to a Drake London who's a completely different kind of

receiver James Jameson Williams who is coming off the injury but has all this upside and the speed and the size I just you know when I go back and watch the tape I'm like well man I really like this guy in this role and I really like that guy in that role and I think that's what's going to happen and so you could get you know 10 teams to get the the number one guy on their board uh because they have everything ranked so differently and that's kind of my hope is that we just get some things that may seem a little bit more off the wall to us because we've been talking about you know okay number one guy is sauce Gardner at the cornerback position. And then all of a sudden Derek Stingley goes number three overall

and we're going, what the heck just happened? I think that's the kind of surprising, you know, moves we're going to see in this draft because, you know, I mean, we could all sit here and you guys tell me the number one guy at each one of your positions and it might be different than the guy I have. We are not. Certainly will be. I don't know if we have. We are not. It certainly will be. I don't know if we have enough positions at number ones

in this particular show. You're talking to a lot of stooges around here, Kurt. Go ahead, Tom. Kurt, speaking of number ones at positions, when you were talking about kind of like the quarterback, like be consistent with where you go with the ball and stuff like that, it seemed like people were talking about Ritter's kind of that guy

in the draft process and interviews and stuff like that. It seemed like people were talking about Ritter's kind of that guy in the draft process and interviews and stuff like that. Who's your number one guy? And when you were talking about that, it felt like it was Ritter. Well, here's the thing. Kenny Pickett is actually my number one guy. Just watching what he did, the fact that they asked him to throw the football all the time to win games for them, and he consistently made plays. He extended plays.

He made plays in the pocket. He made different kinds of throws. So he's my number one guy. I thought he was by far the most consistent playing the position this year. Desmond Ritter, I know, has risen up the draft boards and a lot of people talk about him. And if you talked about consistency of the leader or what he might bring to a huddle, I fully understand why people are saying that. But I don't think he's a consistent thrower of the football. I don't think he's a natural thrower of the football. And I know that sounds kind of funny. These guys can get all the way to this level and be a number, you know, a first round draft pick and not be a natural thrower of the football, but he struggles with what I call athletic throws. When he's got to put touch on the ball and he's got to use his body to throw

as opposed to being able to launch things with his arm, he's very inconsistent there. And that fully concerns me at the next level. I believe the best quarterbacks are the guys that play the position athletically. And that may be different than what people think, like not how fast they run or how many guys they can elude, but it's the ability to play the game with their body and allow that to lead their throws. And Desmond Ritter to me is just not a natural thrower. And so I would struggle to put the ball in his hands and say, he's going to be my franchise guy if he's not

a natural gifted thrower i'm a big fan of desmond ritter but let's follow up on that because i think uh espn's quarterback guru dan rolovsky he gave us a conversation one time about how i think it was i don't remember who it was about anyways i think you said the ball goes down while they're throwing it like that it's a different motion than like uh what a football throw is supposed to be is that what you're referring to is the non-natural thrower or what are you referring to i'm not um you know i'm gonna try to kind of give you some examples of patrick mahomes or erin rogers like when their feet are off platform and so they're not throwing in perfect technique meaning i'm not lining up my back foot and leading and driving through my legs at all times.

When they're not in perfect position, they've got the ability to continually change the throws that they make. I mean, we see Patrick Mahomes all the time where he wows us with these throws where he's stepping left and he's kind of side-arming the ball and the ball's got great touch on it and boom, it's right on the money. Aaron Rodgers does it every single week where you're just like, man, you can't teach that. and he's kind of side-arming the ball, and the ball's got great touch on it, and boom, it's right on the money. Aaron Rodgers does it every single week where you're just like, man, you can't teach that. So instead of just throwing a bomb on the run, instead of throwing a bomb, because everybody can throw it deep. You're talking about the little... I'm talking about, yeah, when you've got to throw it around a defensive lineman

and you've got to add a little bit extra to it, or you've got to throw a touch pass where you got to drop it up and over uh the the throw that aaron rogers made i don't know if you guys remember against san francisco uh in the the regular season game uh last year uh the big throw to davante adams where he threw it up over fred warner and just laid it over great touch had enough velocity on it But those are the kind of throws that I call athletic throws because it takes your body more than your arm to make that throw. And some guys really struggle with those things. Like they can't ever figure out how to get it over a guy.

If they're going to throw it 20 yards, it's got to be on a line, and now A.J.'s intercepting that ball and it's game over. One-handed probably. And so that to me is what I mean by athletic. And it's, you know, I'd have to show you like tape because a lot of times it's like, you don't have to throw a screen pass. Like a screen pass where a defensive end is in your face

and you've got to manipulate him to make a good throw. Those are the athletic throws that I'm talking about. You know, Russell Wilson on the move when, you know, he's going left and, you know, in a second, boom, balls out, he's throwing it 35 yards on the money, and you're going, how does a guy do that? It's with their ability to play the position athletically, and it's a natural gift that some guys don't have.

Josh Allen got lasers put on his, he got like after his first year, I think, he went and got his whole – so he could use his entire body as one. He got so, so good so quick. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Kurt, you mentioned the transition with the ball for these college guys to the NFL for quarterbacks, but how long do they actually have to make that transition? Because obviously it's kind of out on Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson.

We're not sure. But guys like Dan Jones, Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, it almost feels like they're kind of, you know, they have one last shot at this thing. Yeah, well, I think that is a hard thing. I mean, if you're talking about the balls, they should be comfortable with it already. I mean, guys that are practicing with it every day, it shouldn't take that long to get comfortable just with the feel of the football. To me, you're using a football every day, it's going to take you a week or two,

and you should be comfortable throwing that football. But if you're talking big picture, like how long does it take a guy to transition to being good at this next level? I think that's a very tough question. We sit here and we expect guys to be great overnight, and I get it. We throw the ball more in college. These guys are more, quote unquote, pro-ready because they throw more passes, and they should be able to come in and play. They throw more passes, and they should be able to come in and play. For me, I mean, I look at my situation.

If I had come in right out of college and been asked to play this game, I don't think I would have been nearly the quarterback that I became when I got to play arena football and I got to play in Europe. And I had four years of experience, basically, before I got back into the NFL. So when I got there, it was like, oh, this is easy. He's just playing ball now. But different guys, it takes different lengths of time. But I would say you've got to have at least three full years of playing and being in a situation where you can sit back and comfortably play to your strengths

before we can really tell what a guy is going to be in most cases. Was there ever a moment when you were in that Super Bowl where you looked around and you envisioned yourself in that cornfield in Iowa when you guys were getting ready for that Arena League? Did you do that? No, I did not envision that. I thought about it a little bit after, but no, never. I don't have my moment like Joe Montana where he was pointing out john candy or me i was i was thinking about myself in the cornfield and then dropped back and threw a touchdown pass i'm sorry i don't

have that moment or it would it would have made the movie okay well one last question about the movie here because we're here you're a terrible line dancer. Is that real? Are you good now? Have you gotten good at line dancing? And does the wife still kill it on the dance floor? Yes, I've gotten good at line dancing. At the end of the movie, they did not give you any. No, I was only not good because I had never done it. Like, I mean, you know, you don't just jump out there and, you know,

jump into a line dance and know what you're doing. You've got to practice a little bit. I've got a little bit of rhythm, Pat. I'm all right. You've got Copperhead Road, Don. If Copperhead Road comes on, you're ready. You got it. You're ready to go line dancing. I do not know any of the dances now,

but I would be happy to go to a country bar with you and line dance and learn the dance. Okay. Are we wearing full fits? Are we wearing full fits? Full cowboy off? Yes.

You know me. It was tough enough for me to just get a belt buckle on. So I haven't made that. Oh, no. I haven't made that. See, that was perfect timing. It's going. It's going. It's going.

So, no, I don't know about the cowboy hat and the cowboy boots. Are you all in with that? Would you wear a cowboy hat? Are you kidding me? Yes. Are you still going? Are you going sleeveless or are you going with one of those funky, plaid, country?

I'll go tank top probably with a vest on top, though. Probably vest with boots. Tank top, vest, cowboy boots, and cowboy hat. Yeah, it'll be probably. I can't wear all black, though, because I've been to line dancing bars before. The guy dressing all black in the front, he's their champion. He's the champion, right? Oh, yeah.

He's the killer. And with the necklace on, the necklace and the tank top, no doubt. You would have to be killing it. Well, I'd wear a bolo tie, yeah. I'd wear a bolo tie, Kurt. I'd have respect. I'm sorry. Go ahead, AJ. That's the last one. Movie, I learned a lot about you.

I would love to go line dancing with you. Go ahead, AJ. Kurt, the last one for me, I hate to pivot away from the line dancing conversation. I want to get back to this. It's quite all right. The quarterback, you said, like natural throwers of the football. Are there starting quarterbacks in the NFL right now that you think are not natural throwers of the football?

Is that something you can learn? I don't know if it's something that you can learn. So I got a young guy that's actually going to college, a quarterback. My son is a quarterback. And that's one thing that we work on all the time. Or I shouldn't young guy that's actually going to college, a quarterback. My son is a quarterback. And that's one thing that we work on all the time. Or I shouldn't say we work on it. One thing that I tell him all the time is you need to always become more athletic as a quarterback. And oftentimes it's not practicing the quarterback position where you learn that. I tell him I want him to play basketball. I want him to play baseball because sometimes, you know, it's those sports that create the ability to have to do things while you're

moving. As a quarterback, like I know what I'm going to do. If everything's right, I'm going to hit my back foot and I'm going to step up in the pocket and everything's perfect. And I'm just going to throw it. And most guys can do that. It's the other stuff that you, you learn how to control your body. You learn how to throw. I mean, I don't think there's any coincidence, AJ, that guys like Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson and Patrick Mahomes were all big-time baseball players. Because in baseball, you know, you're shortstop and you're getting a backhand at shortstop. You don't get to stop, set up, lead with your back foot and throw it to first base.

You've got to learn how to make that throw when you're falling towards third base. You your back foot and throw it to first base. You've got to learn how to make that throw when you're falling towards third base. You got to make it back to first base. And so I think it can be learned, but it has to be learned outside the game of football more than inside the game of football. And we do have some guys in the league that aren't natural throwers of the football. And I think it's a constant battle for them to be consistent week in and week out when you're not a natural thrower of the football. And this is, obviously, when you're talking about the quarterback position and playing other sports, it helps.

When you play any sport, any position, playing other sports helps. That became something, though, there for a while. When I did that college football year where I was calling games, I was chatting with some of the special teams coordinators, and they're like, even the punters. Like, the punters literally just start punting when they're in, like, third grade, and they only punt. So if anything goes off script, like, they're dead.

They're absolutely dead. It's getting worse, too, Pat. No, it's not. It can't be. It's getting worse. I am living it right now. No doubt. We're not diving into it. Can can't be. It's getting worse. I am living it right now. No doubt. We're not having it to it.

Can't have it. All right, Kurt, I assume you have to go. That's why your calls are coming in right now. Have an incredible draft. We appreciate the hell out of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. Yeah, we're probably supposed to have him off for 15 minutes now. He's in Vegas, right?

Yeah, he probably has a bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. We do apologize to whoever was afterwards. That's on us. With that being said, howdy, dude. Hey, I've been to more. Well, this is what we went about talking about yesterday,

where if somebody's super confident and wants to do something, all right, I'm in. Yeah, I'll go to the honky tonk. That has led me, yes. That has led me to a lot of things. Hey, we'll go down the line our line dance bar tonight or whatever we have one of those here yeah let's go do you know the dancers or not like do you know the dancers i do not know okay cool neither do i but if he if i was going with somebody that knew all of the dances i would

have to reconsider because that's like going to a wedding with somebody that's in the wedding and you're like yeah you know what I mean? Yep. Like, hey, I don't know. Sitting on the sidelines still the entire night. Yeah, I guess I'll just booze by myself. Can we bring somebody else? Can I bring somebody else? This would be great because there's an entire, hey,

they have practice and shit. For line dancing? Yes, they have Tuesday practices. They have Tuesday practices for fucking Friday, Saturday night. Just for the bar. Just for the bar. Like, come on to basically the way they were recruiting me because the guy i did go with he lied he knew a lot of the dances okay and the the person his friend from home that we went with he also yeah knew so i was stuck

mostly by myself and then i go out there and if you don't know it's like not even fun like no no because if you're if you're trying to keep up, they welcome people to try, but once you're the drunk person, you know you're kind of. Yeah, fucking everything. You've got to have some self-awareness. It's like the electric slide at a wedding. You don't jump out there on the electric slide if you don't know it. Bingo.

There's no reason to. And if you're going into it, you have to actually put forth effort not to fuck up everything they've got going on. That's what it felt like. Hey, we've got a routine going on in here, and then you're just the drunk white that was dropped in the middle of it like that that can't happen so basically the entire time i spent on the outside and they were telling me i gotta come and practice on next tuesday and obviously at the beginning of the night i was there's no way i'm going to practice on tuesday okay i'm just going to hang

out as i got more boozed up man i met the person that's instructing the class on tuesday we talked about the class layout what we're gonna go through i mean i was having a good old time i never made it to tuesday yeah sure i can't do it talk about it it's a real thing tone i think you're about to say you've gone to the practice yeah no no no i i went to a friday or saturday night i was fucking astonished how every single person in the bar knew the fucking dances for every single song so i asked someone i said how does everyone know this oh we practiced on tuesday nights dude it's like dance bombs is this one specific bar no it's just most i think every city will have one most honky tonks have a tuesday night practice yeah but every city will have one too you know where all the uh you might be out on work in this place, but you can come on down here.

We did not grow up with it. Now, yeah, this is not something that I would do. I thought we had to do it in gym class. I think we had to square dance or line dance in gym class like in third grade. That's Ohio. That's awesome. Illinois's well. Yeah, we had to, too.

Yeah, do like the jitterbug and shit like that. You bet. Jitterbug. Cha-cha slide. I will say a lot of those line dances, though, I quickly realized, are the electric slide with an extra kick. Ah. You know, so like you do like.

Just like the upbeat electric slide. What's that one? The same thing. Something wobble? Slide to the left. That'll do. I think it's called the wobble. Then you just do it again.

The wobble is awesome. Now kick, Now kick. Now kick. Cupid Shuffle? No. Oh, that is the Cupid Shuffle. Is it? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Those are good times. Everybody feels welcome on the dance floor. Everybody's happy on the dance floor. That's right. Sounds awesome. What?

The whole entire thing. Yeah, so the Northeast doesn't know much about it. No. Never even been to a bar that doesn't. never really seen anyone do it. It is insane. When I told him about the guy in all black, like in everybody's little honky tonk around the country right now, they know who I'm talking about. That is Abby Lee of dance moms.

That is the, that is the person up in the front. That is the person that is leading the way. And he, he remixes normally too. And there's, he normally has a counterpart, I believe in some some of them the lady who just fucking kills it but yeah there's a fool i mean we're talking tucked in real tight he's got some flair going on too he

adds a little something a little sauce on the dances hey it's showtime yeah whoa okay he's been working all week doing whatever the fuck he's been doing you talk about 10 o'clock on a friday night oh there is one place he is. That's in the front of the fucking line dancing crowd. Ice cold Budweiser. Ice cold. Belt buckle awesome. Yeah, butt heavy.

It's like Son-in-Law. That's what Pauly Shore does in Son-in-Law. Doesn't he come in and steal the show? With the assless chaps, yeah. I have no idea. That's a good movie? Yeah, it's old school. That's when Pauly Shore was really rolling. Okay, yeah movie? Yeah, it's old. I mean, old school. So good. Yeah. Okay.

That's when Pauly Shore was really rolling. Okay, yeah. Then, yes, just like that. I don't know if it's Astley's Chaps, but normally they have an incredible. Have you ever been to Gilly's? I believe it's called, like, in Dallas. It's a giant honky-tonk. I don't think so.

I think it's called Gilly's because I think Travolta in that whatever urban cowboy movie from, like, the 70s or 80s, but my parents watched. It took place there, maybe. Hey, those dudes used to get it oh yeah and another place by the way you gotta know what the fuck you're doing like a roller rink oh yeah yeah yeah i've been i'm always in those those guys i've been bland white dropped in the middle of that one time it's like all right i'm gonna go ahead and get the fuck off yeah those guys are the smoothest dudes gotta bring the blade all time and they have the uh lloyd mayweather the awareness level they have the awareness level. Yeah. The awareness level of 100 on Madden.

Have to. Yes, because there's always some clown who's calling the fucking wrong way. Got to be out there in the boom. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Some spin move. Right. Kick, right on beat, drop into a down into a knee.

And I'm like, what the fuck? I can't stop right now. And you just did that around me. Yeah. There's a couple places where you got to really know. Hey, you could really fuck a lot of shit up here. Oh, yeah. Big time.

Just because you're drunk doesn't mean you got to ruin everybody else's night. All right. Joining us now, an insider for Fox Sports, a host. Hey, good morning. Football's going through some shakeups, sounds like. What?

What happened? Sounds like going through some shit. Like, wait, right now, during the draft? No, no, no, but soon. But soon, I believe. You all right, Tony? I'm unaware.

It's going on. You're not charging. Hey, Tony, I saw that clip. You look explosive, man, when you shed the bag and you made a tackle. He's in good shape. He brought his hips. How many years ago was that? Like three.

Three years ago. You still got it in you. That was already way into the decline as well. Oh, it's stuck on the microphone. That's terrible. That's very unfortunate. We're good. You're caught on the only thing that could be caught on. It's plugged in. We're good. We're good. You're is caught on the only thing that could be caught on.

It's plugged in. We're good. All right. All right. Joining us now, one of the hosts of Good Morning Football. A lot of chatter about that show. Yeah. A lot of conversation about that show on the internet right now.

A lot of rumors. What's that about? Your best friends at the NFL Network in the morning. What's going on over there? I know. Can't be split up. What is going on? Hey, by the way, we're fans of the show.

Huge. We watch every single morning. So I don't know if this guy's going to have all those answers, but we do know he is in Las Vegas. He is live at the draft. Friend of the show, ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager. Yeah, Peter! What's up, Schrags?

Repping the UNLV Running Rebs football program now that I'm here. One in Rome, you know what I mean? Let's go. Hey, hold on. We saw you do this yesterday, too, on Good Morning Football. What happened? They're giving you money for this? You're sponsored by UNLV, Schrags? I'll tell you the truth of it. They had a two-win season.

Their coach is a guy, Marcus Arroyo, used to coach the Bucs, and their assistant's a guy, Nick Holst, who I knew. He said, can you wear this hat? I said, yeah, sure. I'll wear that. Hey, shout out. Shout out. Shreg's got an NIL deal. Okay, Shregs, you're in Vegas. We've been watching you. You've looked fantastic.

The dialogue has been amazing. We're hours away now from teams making decisions that are going to change the future forever. What are you hearing? What are some thoughts? It feels like nobody has a clue what's going on. Are we wrong in saying that? No, everyone has a clue.

The problem is there's no confirmed anything, which is kind of cool. I think it's fun to watch tonight. I actually like, you know, I'm an insider reporter. I'm not on the broadcast tonight. I work day two and day three. I think I'm going to do something. What? What's that all about?

Why are you on day two? I haven't done it in 15 years. Peter Schrager? Come on. Right on day one? Tell me what you think of this. I don't like it. You're not on day one.

Peter Schrager's on day one. What are you doing tonight? I was on four hours this morning. I did my job. Let's go. Here's what I'm going to suggest to everybody. Who's this are you doing tonight? I was on four hours this morning. I did my job. Let's go. Here's what I want to suggest to everybody. Put the phone away tonight. No text. No tweet.

Just enjoy the draft. It's going to be like a reality show like we've never seen. I don't want to have Albert Rear and Jason La Confora tip the picks. That's not fun. Let's watch the draft like we used to watch the draft and just enjoy the shit

out of the best television program without knowing five seconds ahead of time where the pick is. I can't wait because I'll tell you what. This is an announcement to other insiders. I think he's the pick, Trayvon Walker at one, but I don't know for sure.

And I'll tell you this, what I've heard in Jacksonville is that Trent Baalke is a Trayvon Walker guy. There are other people in that building who are Hutchinson fans. They're Icky fans. The owner has met with all the top prospects and is yet to really weigh in, which means it could be with one minute left on the clock. Shad Khan is like, take Hutchinson.

This could be amazing drama in Jacksonville right now. I've made my decision. What if that is what... What if he walks in with that fucking mustache? That mustache all the way up to his eyes. He's been waiting for this day for a long time. Twist it up. Take the punter.

Maybe the cool... Yeah, boy. That'd be sweet. That'd be sweet with me. That'd be the first ever marketing success story in the position. Man, I love Matt Rice. I hope he has an incredible career. But Forbes, a lot of disrespect flowing out of your fingertips over there. Anyway, Sean Conn's going to walk in with that incredible mustache.

Yeah. He is the coolest looking human I think that we have in the NFL. He looks sweet all the time. Him walking into that war room and the coaches have in the NFL. He looks sweet all the time. Him walking into that war room and the coaches have made their decision. The GM has made their decision. Some scouts have made their decision. He's met with them each individually and he met

with the person. Do they not know? Is that why nobody has a clue? He's walking in there tonight and saying, I've made my ruling. Is that what he's doing? No, and he might not even have the final say. He might defer to Trent or to Doug. I was with...

Fuck. No, he's met with everyone. He's met with everyone, and he hasn't made his, like, hey, I was with Aiden Hutchinson last night. Name drop. Boom, boom. Name drop.

Wow. Okay, Aiden's boozing up a little bit. No, no, no, I'm joking. Aiden's probably not. He's probably enjoying the moment. I was with him last night, and I'm like, for a while, and I was like, no, I'm joking. Aiden's probably not. He's probably enjoying a moment working out. I was with him last night, and I'm like, for a while, and I was like, dude,

just tell me. Obviously, I'm not going to go on McAfee tomorrow and tell him exactly what you said. Do you know where you're going? He's like, honestly, I don't know, and I've been around this a long time, Pat. The first pick knows by now whether he's going first overall.

I get the feeling that he hasn't been told. And at the very least, you know, maybe Trayvon's been tipped off, but I would know that too. I don't think they've told the players or the agents yet. And there's nothing to gain by not. We thought it was something.

It's nothing. They haven't told anybody because if they did, you know, if you think they had told somebody, look, I I'd lean towards Walker right now. That's what I would say. Okay. He became

favorite on Sunday or Monday or morning or whatever when a bunch of shops went on him to go number one overall as well causing FanDuel and other sportsbooks to go whoa, whoa, whoa. Those people are betting on what does that mean? Oh, that means, oh my God, we got to make this change real quick but they have been wrong in the past can't wait to see what happens tonight go ahead aj triggs how many people do you think in some

of these organizations actually know what their top preference may be when it comes to the first round of the draft we just talked about yeah that's a great question i think that there is now a consensus board quote unquote that's been built in just about every building. Now, Jacksonville aside, let's say that they know who it is, but then things happen. Two, three, four, wait, that guy's on the board, this guy's on the board. was very interested in this answer said, Hey, I've heard Detroit Thibodeau. What do you think? And I'm like, well, shit, if Detroit takes Thibodeau too, and doesn't take Hutchinson, well, then we're in a whole different deal in Houston, who was expecting no chance Hutchinson, whose parents are from the Houston area, no chance you'd be involved. Suddenly your board adjusts. So they've done all these scenarios. And I would say this, I would say the general manager, the owner in a lot of cases and

the head coach probably have been through those scenarios and usually the coordinators are well aware too okay so let's run through what you just said and add a little layer to this jocena anderson was interviewing uh tibideau and he was talking about how he got along with the gm i believe brad brad holmes he said it felt like an uncle at the cookout. I was talking to him. We got along really well. Had a great conversation. So is that adding to the conversation that people are learning that Thibodeau

and Detroit had an incredible convo and had an incredible meeting? And then also, follow-up, is he the – that would mean that he's definitely, in everybody's eyes, the best player because it was only the question marks about him as a human, right? Wasn't that the thing that was kind of the bullshit that was getting out there was he was question mark off the field, but instead he's just has a different personality than a normal player because he's a free?

It's not even human. It's like, all right, so there's a couple things with him. Could he go one? Could he go one? No way. I'd be surprised. I'd be surprised. I haven't heard his name tied to one.

January he was number one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. If he were to go two, that would mean that they take him over the local guy, Hutchinson, which might be an uproar there in Detroit immediately. But it would also mean that he hit it off not just with Holmes. You mean that? But it would also mean that he hit it off with Chris Spielman, who is as football as it gets.

Dan Campbell, who's as football as it gets. Dan Campbell, who's as football as it gets. Aaron Glenn, who's as football. All that stuff that Thibodeau talks about, which is like NFTs and crypto and a lot of the stuff that people roll their eyes in football circles. If he can get those guys where Spielman literally wakes up and eats a football for breakfast and then obviously know obviously campbell eats kneecaps and the whole thing if those guys can be cool with the guy talking about his brand and all that stuff it means they really were impressed with the player and the person and that would be a shocker to me but there's a lot of people around the league calling me and being like

hey hutchinson's not even a slam dunk at two just beware i'm like all right schrager did not say that thibodeau will not be somebody's favorite because of all that. He was just referencing the Detroit Lions as an individual team. Just so people don't take your words and say like, oh, because he talks about NFTs and crypto, some football people won't like him. There's some teams that love that shit.

There's some situations that love certain types of players and other things. And there's some organizations that we just know who they are. For instance, Ty Schmidt with the Green Bay Packers. Your question for Schrags? Yeah, Schrags, I believe it was in the mock draft you released today. You have the Packers trading up and getting Chris Olave. Are you hearing that that's an actual possibility

that they might be trading up to get one of those guys? Here's what I'll tell you. This one's, Brian, it's the front office. Goody's the guy right now, and they they got their board set and all this thing but the way it's gonna go these wide receivers will be long gone before 22 so if they want to get rogers one of the top four which i'm told it's four guys and a giant drop off then you've got burks and dotson and then you've got another drop off then watson and more but if you want drake london alave jameson williams or garrett wilson you have to trade up into the top 12 top 13 those guys will You've got another drop-off, then Watson and more. But if you want Drake London, Olave, Jamison Williams, or Garrett Wilson,

you have to trade up into the top 12, top 13. Those guys will fly off the boards tonight. And the only way I see the Packers being able to satisfy what they need, especially for Rodgers, and a guy like Olave who could play right away, would have to be trading up to do so. So that was my move, but knowing the board and how it's going to shake out tonight, they cannot go in there. I can't imagine

the reaction internally and externally when the Packers are on the clock and they draft an offensive guard and a defensive back with their first two ground picks. What are you talking about? Keep them safe. What might happen? Protect Aaron. What are you talking about? He's safe.

Get him a fucking guy to throw the ball to darren waller i thought oh yeah that ain't fucking happening that's not like debo's happening either so hey debo's going to the jets huh that's what's happening traits jets jets are interested i don't know if the 49ers will trade them that's the thing i've said this on your show for a couple weeks now like they they know his value to them and they believe they can mend all fences. And truthfully, they don't – I mean, Debo started off with – we heard reports from our guys saying that he didn't like the way he was being used. Then there was reports that he wanted to be closer to home.

Then there was reports that it actually was the money. So I hear all that. I say, like, this just needs to be a moment where we all sit down and figure out what we want to do. We'll pay you. Don't worry. We'll make it happen. But I don't think San Francisco is looking to trade Debo Samuel.

Yeah, he's really good at football. I was really hoping they would trade him to the Colts. But then when I heard that wasn't going to happen, I was like, all right, I hope he stays at San Francisco. Because if he ends up at the Packers and Aaron. True. That would be tasty. That would be sweet.

Could you imagine Debo and Aaron? No, I can't. It's not going to happen. That's never going to happen. Never going to happen. That's a shame. Go ahead, Connor. No, I can't. It's not going to happen. It's never going to happen. Never going to happen. That's a shame. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Schrags, any teams that don't have a first-round pick right now

that you could see probably trading up into the first round? Like Jim Irsay yesterday tweeted, we have the 44th pick. Or do we? Or something like that. I forget exactly what the tweet was. But do you see that happening tonight or no? Yeah, I can't ever predict on that stuff. What happens is at the end of the first round, if there's a player that's falling that is way way way you know value

differently and suddenly sitting there like 27 28 29 30 that's when those teams will kind of trade up and say hey we'll give you next year's first round pick also what was our sweet yeah 42nd we will have the 42nd and can you take that ticker down, or will we? Is he trading out? Or is he trading up? He looks awesome. He looks good, doesn't he? Yeah, he looks awesome. Yeah, but to be completely honest with you, I don't have a team in the Raiders zone of a first-round pick, the Browns zone of a first-round pick,

the 49ers, the Dolphins. With the off-seasons all those teams had, I don't have a team that's trading up to get a particular player right now. Eight teams have two picks in the first round. I assume some of those picks might get a little bit cheaper than they had been in the years past. I'm very interested to see who moves,

who doesn't. Is that a recent picture of Jim Irsay right there? I don't know. Do you know? That should be his go-to photo. He looks tan. He looks fucking awesome. I was about to say, hey, this might be the best Jim Ursa. Look at that.

He looks good. He does a great suit, too. That suit is. He should run a program with Vince. Those two guys could fight. A good program. You're an idiot. Tony, you have something for Schrags?

Yeah, Schrags. You and DJ, damn Jeremiah, move sticks. Both had Brees Hall going in the first round as the only running back going in the first round. Sportsbooks disagree. How confident are you that a running back goes in the first round? I've got one team, the Buffalo Bills, that I think they're interested in running back. They're also interested in defensive back. If one of the top DBs were to fall to 25, one of the guys that they grade high,

they might go DB over running back. They've got to address that need. That's the one team I have right now, running back to the Bills. If they don't take a running back, I don't know if there's another team that's going running back. We can't wait to watch along as you watch along and not tip any picks.

Don't tip the picks. It's fun to just watch. It felt like you were trying to talk to us or talk to the fans You were talking to other insiders out there You were like hey insiders Let's not do this He's talking to people that tweet the pick Five seconds early

Actually everybody tweet the pick No don't tweet the pick It's not fun It's stupid We get it Everybody can do it if they wanted to Yeah Shanks I think that's what you said Whenever Shams did one

Shams did one And I think you came on this show And you were like I think you said oh Shams Shams gets in the NFL We're you came on this show, and you were like, I think you said, oh, Shams gets in the NFL, we're out of everyone's smile, he tweets a draft. You did it on like a rant. We could all do that or whatever if we wanted to. I can tell you, the second the team goes on the clock, there's nothing to lose.

I can text the team and say who we're taking and just tweet out, Eagles are taking blank with 14 minutes on the clock. But I think a lot of people at home kind of like the suspense of hearing the name called. And I'm very territorial of football. I don't even dare do my Blake Griffin news that I have. So, Sean, stay in your lane. Oh! I've got some Spencer Dinwiddie news I want to drop, but I've been respectful.

That's awesome. Shams will love that. Shams will love that. As will we. Can you just text us who's getting picked? Yes, I'll text you every pick you want. Just text me honestly. When they're on the clock, I'll tell you exactly who's getting picked.

All right, so, Shrek, I'm going to let you know. I will not live by the code that you were trying to live by, though. No. I will immediately go, Tim and I's going to Detroit. Don't listen to anything they're saying on TV. It's all a waste of time. Tim and I was going to Detroit. Don't listen to anything they're saying on TV. It's all a waste of time. Tim and I were to Detroit.

I would do that immediately if Bob texted me. Don't do that. I won't. But, hey, watch tomorrow and Saturday, NFL Network. My mug is going to be all over that thing. Hold on. ESPN and ABC got Chris Angel. Why don't you guys do that?

What happened? He'd be good. I like his stuff. AJ. What do you mean they got him? Never seen him that it's Chris angel dude. He's all he's performing tonight and tomorrow in ESPN ABC straight on air I don't want to be on air when he's performing. I need to watch What was this I'll tweet about alive too. I won't sweet all night and then angel gets on I'll be live tweeting every move

Shrink's let him let him go break you in half and flip you around on a park bench. What was his thing like? Mind freak. What was his thing? Mind freak. Mind freak. Mind freak. I like that guy.

It was awesome. Yeah, I watched. Amy, man, it was awesome. All right. We appreciate you, Shregs. Enjoy night two and night three. We will watch. We appreciate you. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, man. It was awesome. All right. We appreciate you, Shregs. Enjoy night two and night three. We will watch. We appreciate you.

Oh, no. Oh, no, Pete. What's happening? Good morning, football. A lot of conversation in fans internet. I got my lunch pail, my construction hat. I just go to work. I do me, okay?

Oh, no. Oh, no. I'm Grinder. I'm the guy you're just going to want to be a lunch pail guy. I do me, okay? Oh, no. Yeah, Coach's son. Oh, no. Coach's son. I'm Grindr. I'm the guy you're just going to want to just be a lunch pail guy. That's all I do. I don't get involved with anything else. First one in line. I know that of all my co-hosts, and I would love to continue in the way we have it.

But I'll just say this. I talk about me. Let's roll. Oh, geez. That's not good. We love what you do, Shregs. Love Peter Shregs. Yeah, Peter.

That didn't sound good. Yeah, it doesn't. What are the rumors? Like, who's leaving? What's happening? You know, AJ. You know, dude. Yesterday, you mentioned Kay Adams leaving, possibly.

Yeah. It feels like fucking Ross and Rachel are breaking up, dude. Who's Ross? Who's Rachel? You know who they are. And this office has some ideas on who should be the replacement if that does happen. And who shouldn't be the replacement if that happens.

I would assume that the internet has come alive about this show because a lot of people just watch NFL Network. We have NFL Network on every single one. Start to finish. There's a lot of people that are like that. And the internet is getting a lot with the chance

of change potentially on the horizon. They're not happy about it. People don't want the change, right? No. Nobody likes change. The Good Morning Football Reddit has actually been blowing up. People are very nervous for the next chapter. It's interesting.

Are all their contracts up or what? We don't know all the ins and outs. Let's go to the fence. I guess I'm going to see what they... Are all their contracts up or what? Well, we don't know all the ins and outs. Let's go to the fence. I guess I'm going to pay attention. Yeah, you should. Well, also, you're not knowing Chris Angel. Yeah. What's your problem?

Where are you? Wake up. I didn't know that he's performing tonight. Well, here's the thing, though. We know you were on Instagram. Yep. We know it. Obviously.

Seen it. Congratulations, Michael. Yeah. Great post. I'll tell you what. I'm not joking. I hate it. I don't want to do it anymore. I don't like posting. You know it. Obviously. Congratulations, Vito. I'm not joking. I hate it. I don't want to do it anymore. I don't like posting. You don't. The last time you posted was last Draft Spectacular. Are you retiring from posting again?

Oh, Jesus. What's that retirement ceremony? Jesus. What a ride, AJ. You've got to know your strengths and weaknesses. And right now that is not one of my strengths and it's not something I'm passionate about, but I will do it every once in a while. Literally once a year. It seems I don't want to feel fake. You know,

I'm not going to just do it to do it. Well, of course not. Cause that's not what AJ Hawk would do. When you did the Miller light commercial, is that where you learned hashtag influencer? Is that where you learned? I just, I don i just i don't know if that's a thing i just assumed that's what i should do smart you know like the the book what's the book you know like hey i'm gonna think about money and all of a sudden a billion dollars shows up isn't that kind of what it is oh so you were putting

out into the universe that you are an influencer you're hoping to influence people to the show we appreciate it man thank you Thank you, AJ. It is an honor. Out of three of your social media marketing partnerships, we are two of them. Yeah. So we are very honored to be a part of the AJ Hawk train. It's unbelievable. Must have watched the morning walk talk with Gary Vee because it was all about the genuine giraffe this morning. And I assume that's why he wants to be more genuine on social media.

Be your true self. What? What do you get? I've never... The fact that Connor sees all this stuff, that's what kills me. Of course we all see. We are on the internet. We are an internet company, pal. Where did that picture come from, too, of me? What's that? Where'd that picture come from?

It's definitely somebody else's. We shouldn't talk about it, though. They can see it in DS right now. No, it's when he auditioned for a mob boss on a Netflix series series i think did you get it did you get that i know where that i know where it's from where did you get the job it wasn't a job it was like a big it was like a sit down interview type thing with the dude and they took a bunch of pictures oh this is when you were telling everybody you're a pilot oh is that when when he was in Aviator Magazine. What were you in? Aviator Magazine or something? No, it was some video for something with the NFLPA.

I saw the magazine. I saw the photo shoot. You did too. You were on the front cover. It was a video shoot. No, you were sitting in the cockpit with your head out. Hey! Air fishing auto.

Yeah. Was it for Dateline with Uncle Wexy? It looks a little... It kind of looks like when you dressed up as Ernie Adams for Halloween. I dressed up as Ernie? Did your whole family dress up as the Adams family? Not Ernie Adams, Tony. Ernie Adams is football genius.

They're both bags of bones. Well, Ernie's old. We all hope to be a bag of bones one day. Let's go to the phones Let's go to San Francisco Joey, on this draft spectacular day We have I should go through what we're giving away

Let's do it All right AJ, this is a big fucking deal Huge I know, what do you mean? It's 3rd of January Are you kidding me? This is like our biggest night

It's like the Oscars Hopefully no one gets slapped Or Or I mean, maybe Hey Is Will Smith coming on? Well, that's what I'm saying Maybe we booked Will Smith this is like our biggest night. It's like the Oscars. Hopefully no one gets slapped. Or. Or. I mean, maybe. Hey. Is Will Smith coming on?

Well, that's what I'm saying. Maybe we booked Will Smith to come in here and smack some people around. We don't know. It's draftspectacular. Slaptacular. Ooh. Tonight we'll be giving away

a Callaway driver. What? An Oculus. What? A massage chair. What? 500 bucks to 50 people. What? A massage chair. What? 500 bucks to 50 people. What?

A PS5. What? Then, potentially, giveaways as the concurrent viewers hit different things. Okay. Now we go. Tickets to a lot of awesome things. Yeah. A lot of awesome things.

Stuff you want to go to. I love that stuff. With some travel and hotel awesome things. Yeah. A lot of awesome things. Stuff you want to go to. I love that stuff. With some travel and hotel and everything. Okay. So tonight, long time. And that's just what's, let alone we have the other contest. We're going to give away a lot of stuff tonight, AJ.

Okay. A lot of things are going to be given away from this company. And it's not because, you know, CFFL is asking us to do that. No. It's mostly because I view us as a team here, okay? And we have all gotten to this point in the NFL calendar together. We have all rode through the waves of bullshit the last few weeks

where we've had to speak about things that do not matter, will not matter a week from now, and will never matter in our entire existence, and we have to act as if it matters. That is a sea of bullshit that we have all had to captain together. And we appreciate that. So we should definitely give things away.

Especially if you're going to sit through a seven hour first round draft of the NFL. You have to do that type of stuff. And we appreciate the hell out of it. With that being said, there's a good chance there's just going to a lot more giveaways oh yeah as we get bored because it's fun to do and it's awesome to do and everybody else hates it we're gonna do that aaron rogers is gonna be here chris ballard's gonna be here tom telesco is gonna be here cliff kingsbury is gonna be here

darius butler's gonna be live in studio aj is gonna be right there everybody's gonna be in you know good costumes for the spectacular. Costumes? Let's have a night tonight. Here we go, boys. Isn't AJ giving away $50,000 too? I don't know. You never know what happens tonight.

That's a beautiful thing, right? You are such a rat bastard. I mean, not tonight. No, but maybe sometime. Keep them guessing. Yeah. I know. I'm saying you never know.

You never know what can happen on draft spectacular night. What if AJ has, you know, 15, 16 cigars? Oh. He's all based up on nicotine. What? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He's all jacked up.

The Packers get somebody good, and he's like, I want to give away $50,000. Yeah. Maybe his truck. Maybe give away his truck. Here's house. Yeah. His house. Yeah.

Give away the fucking house. Give away the house, dude. Hey, publisher, give away the house. Here's house. Yeah. His house. Yeah. Give away the fucking house. Give away the house, dude. Hey, publisher, give away your house. AJ House. Dan Marino, give away Dream House all year.

That's right. How about it? AJ House. Basement probably too. What's that? The C&J basement thing. Yeah, Warner Bros.

Free basement. Free restoration. I gotta talk to them. That's a million dollar value. Can't be giving their stuff away. They're a great company. Yeah, well, they saved you thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. They're like a million bucks.

They are very good. Also gave them their highest grossing video. It's one of the best promos of all time. You hear me? What are you talking about? Dude, that was almost. Killed it. I agree.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. One of the greatest promos of all time of all time aj you're the best as i was doing it i felt that i really did i was like this i nailed it hey there's a couple times where i get going and i'm in the middle of it i'm like oh this feels like a good one let's not fuck it up here pal you know and then i keep going like when i'm doing smackdown or whatever and i'm in the middle of a rant about something that obviously is wrestling so you know we're doing this and i'm going like oh this is great don't fuck it up also how are we ending this thing you know how are we

ending it and then sometimes you mess it up the fact that you're able to get through that obviously and not only hit a home run early i mean you closed that thing with a dinger as well. That was front to back one of the best speaking things I've ever witnessed, AJ. I mean, that's part of the reason I did hashtag influencer on my Instagram post because I feel like that's what we do. Smart. That's what we

do. Bring people in. We bring them in. Have you looked in your comments? I have not. No, they changed that, didn't they? How hard to look at now? Isn't it hard to look at now? No. They weren't right there. But it's not my thing.

I don't care to really go look at stuff. I never really do. But they're already making another step, so I'm like, I'm definitely not. It's amazing to us that you hate social media, which could involve you talking to somebody else. But, boy, you love going into the worst parts of the internet and learning the worst things about like i don't look at any of the worst parts of the internet i sit there and i see what's what's what's going on in the world outside of sports because somebody has to bring that perspective to the show yeah but it's not just

in the world no it's actually one particular it's like hey somebody has done something despicable world you you have all those websites. Why do people watch NASCAR, Pat, for the wrecks? True. No, I want to see Kyle Busch fucking. That's right. You want to see fucking Carl Edwards do a backflip after Victory Lane. Yeah, climb the fence, you fucking asshole.

Too bad he retired like 20 years ago. Who? Carl Edwards. What happened? He was young. That's why I haven't fucking watched since. What? What? Because Carl Edwards fucking retired early.

What about Kes Lasky? Wow. Wow. Once Kes Lasky stopped driving the number two Miller Lite car, I really kind of had to take a back seat with my fandom. Is Kyle Busch running? Yeah. Is he fighting?

Kyle Busch is winning, though. Okay. He's making sweet TikToks. That's all you need to know. I can't argue. Kyle Busch is a winner. Two weeks ago, they fought. Someone in person had a helmet on.

The internet got off. You remember when the internet got met? Exactly. That's what you just said. Always put your helmet on to go into a fight. Are you kidding me? That's what every footballer does. Oh, it's soft.

It's soft. No, it's smart, bud, because I can punch you in the face, and I'm going to headbutt you with this thing, too. Well, you do that with your headbutt. And you've got the guy throwing punches at your helmet. So you can call me whatever you want. I'm going to call myself a genius while you're knocked out. And I would like to let people know,

and I did not grow up in the football culture, but ever since you're kids, I think you're actually taught, hey, if a fight happens, keep your helmet on. Just keep it on. Don't ever take it off, really. Like, that's what you learn at a young age, or you should. Yeah, so you go through the entire, and then that NASCAR fight happens,

and I guess in the NASCAR world, everybody's calling him, oh, he's soft as baby shit, this guy. Keeping your helmet on to fight a guy was like two very different views on the entire thing. I could see how if you came up in that mindset, I'd get it. But also, like, can't blame the guy for being able to protect his face in a fight. I mean, that feels like a good move. Yeah, well, back in fucking Bobby Labonte's day, you wanted to look a guy in his eyes before you fucking snatched his soul. You want to see the whites in his fight. I mean, that feels like a good move. Yeah, well, back in fucking Bobby Labonte's day, you wanted to look a guy in his eyes

before you fucking snatched his soul. You want to see the whites in his eyes. Yeah, exactly. Ty Gibbs there, I believe. The guy with the helmet on, did he challenge? Yeah, I see. Or was he the recipient? Because if he challenged with the helmet on,

that's kind of suspect. What the hell is going on? It's true. They're fighting. I mean, they're in front of his car, it looks like, so wouldn't the other guy be walking over? The guy came to him, and the other guy took helmet off, I assume, to let him know, see his face on? It's true. They're fighting. I mean, they're in front of his car, it looks like, so wouldn't the other guy be walking over? The guy came to him, and the other guy took helmet off, I assume, to let him know, see his face, what he's saying.

Yep. Is he grabbing his leg? It looks like he's going for a single leg down there. He does. The gnaw kneecaps right there. Hey, I'll let you know, if you're going to fight in NASCAR pit lane or basically anywhere, they're not going to let it get to the ground for long. If you're in an octagon, go ahead and let that thing eat.

But bar, go ahead and let it go. But if you're in a place with a lot of people with security they ain't gonna let it get to the ground for long you're actually gonna end up getting squished probably i don't think you should that guy probably a wrestler back in his day one for the single leg like that's not the right place for that it might be so ty gibbs walks up ty gibbs is monster guy walks up to the, and he starts to say some shit to him. The guy in the blue, Sam, I think, takes his helmet off, and right when he lifts his helmet off, Ty Gibbs just gives him right in the chin. Okay.

That's what should happen. This is interesting. Tactical. I mean, Tom McMahon used to scream, I don't know, two times. Not scream, but two times or maybe even three times a week. They always say, don't be the one to hit first. Fuck that. Hit first.

What are we even? He said, are we trying to win or not? I guess if you want to not get sued, I guess you wait for somebody else to hit you. He's also this big, Tom McMahon. He's also about this tall or whatever. He's like, I'm fucking hitting somebody first. And that's what we're doing today. We are hitting somebody.

They always say, wait, let somebody else hit you. Let them start it so you're the good person. No, you hit them first. Now there's different ways to view that. I think a lot of people, when Zito just described that, would say the old buddy with the helmet, a little bit of an aggressive tactic there. A bunch of guys just took the helmet off.

But what are they going to do? Just peacock each other? And then after Sam walks up to him and goes, take your helmet off, he points at his helmet and just does this kind of. And then he gives him another one. Let's go. Who's this guy? Ty Gibbs? Ty Gibbs is the one

who keeps his helmet on. Joe Gibbs. You want the video? Yeah, can we run the video? Oh no, probably not. We've been burying USFL. Mark Martin would have done that. You can't run NASascar this is from nascar used nascar's youtube okay let's go yeah we can go they would have to love it it's giving pub to the sport fox though i don't know they don't need whatever you want they're fucking nascar don't need no fucking pub go ahead oh he's out he's mad monster guy, it's the Xfinity series. All right, so Monster ended behind old cuzzy. What? He said.

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Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Looks like it. That guy has thrown a punch before. I wonder if that's what he was saying to him. I'm fucking Golden Gloves, dude. I'm fucking Golden Gloves. That guy said, fuck your Golden Gloves. Pow, pow, bang. How much do they get fined for this?

19 years old. Do we know? Jesus. Yeah, it's Xfinity Series. It's younger kids. Yeah, this is minor leagues. Obviously, NASCAR loves this. They have to. They got to say they don't, but they love it. Winston Xfinity series. It's younger kids. Yeah, this is minor leagues. Obviously, NASCAR loves this. They have to.

They've got to say they don't. Winston Copp is on Sunday. Maybe this is what baseball needs more of, this type of stuff. We were talking earlier about saving baseball again because baseball is happening, even though the NFL draft is happening, which isn't a game, and it's being talked about 7,000x baseball is right now in the sports world. Not that that's baseball's fault. And then we went back all the way back to the era of juicing

and everything and what happened. But they told me that a lot of bench clearing brawls are happening right now. And then we dug a little deeper into that. It's a lot of bench clearing. Oh, fuck yous, I guess. You know what I mean? So I don't know. NASCAR can promote fighting, I think, at this point.

That was Joe Gibbs' grandson. Knew it. Well, there you go. He's fucking been around. But NASCAR, promote fighting, I think, at this point. That was Joe Gibbs' grandson. Knew it. Well, there you go. He's fucking been around. But NASCAR, you can do that, and I would assume they're not suspended half the season. Baseball, if you get in a legit fight, don't they sit you down for a while now? I mean, Pedro got like four games when he fucking tossed Don Zimmer's old ass

when the Yankees and Red Sox were. That's four days. That was self-defense, too. Yeah, if you're a pitcher, why not? It's just the games. It's not the games you're days. That was self-defense, too. Yeah, if you're a pitcher, why not? It's just the games. It's not the games you're starting. It was self-defense. Thank you.

It was. He was charging it, man. It was like that old sack of bones. You run into them and stomp them. Yeah, but when baseball announces suspensions as games, that's what I was thinking of. It's like literally just days, right? Yeah.

He would be suspended for 14 games. It's like, holy shit. You might not miss a start. If they suspend you four games, you won't miss a start. Is that real, or is it your next start? Yeah, they might specify, because otherwise there's nothing long. They'd have to have like a 20-plus game suspension every single time to be four starts. So it probably is like four starts.

Do some players play every game? Oh, yeah. Whoa probably is like four starts. Do some players play every game? Oh, yeah. Whoa. A lot of guys. 13,000 straight. Could you change your rotation so you're up? I mean, yeah, probably. No, so people play every single fucking game?

Oh, yeah. A lot of guys will play 162 games or like 157. Those greenies were good back in the day when they used to take amphetamines you're talking about the gum things that they would chew i don't know about gum they took like legit they called them greenies from like their amphetamines like legit speed i think they used to have gum right that would kick in their testosterone that they had man he used to do that man ram that's i mean these scientists getting into this awesome i mean just awesome yeah then they would eat a piece of gum,

and that gum would have something in it that would mix with something, and it would up the testosterone for just an amount of time, where if they were to drug test immediately after the game, they would not be able to find anything up with it. I'm like, you guys are the best. How do we cheat sports better than everybody else? Get some goddamn gum involved in that thing. I was incorrect.

Kyle Ripken did not play 13,000 straight games. It was 2,600 straight games. Did you say 13,000? Yeah. How many years did that go? 2,600? Yeah, he played for 65 years. Jesus.

I heard a very large number. 2,600 is still a lot of games straight. A ton. I'd say. I mean, nowhere near 13,000. So much. The travel they have to do, too. But obviously, you know, this generation does not play as many games

because they're fucking soft. Hey, Michael Cole, SmackDown commentator. Yeah. 25 years coming up here in like a month or whatever. Two missed shows every week. Jesus. I mean, that's just yeah unheard of

it might be like what do you miss the shows for I don't know I don't know I haven't I think I've asked didn't get the answer talk about fucking soft

yeah seriously not lying alright alright Cole doesn't deserve see I was just trying to give him respect yeah and you

hey Vince is the one that said hey he's a fucking terrible guy so I'm gonna take it from Vince that was one that said, hey, he's a fucking terrible guy, so I'm going to take it from Vince. That was unbelievable that Vince McMahon said that. He complimented everybody but him. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Thomas. Where does he live? Who? Michael Cole. I think in Texas

now. So he just flies home after SmackDown on Fridays and then he's home for the week? Yeah, unless he has to go do something for NXT or be at Raw. Yeah. I mean. Any of his other responsibilities. Yeah, I mean, he.

What does he do? Well, a lot of people are wondering. He does everything, it seems like. Yeah. Let's go to Thomas in Dallas. What's going on, Thomas? How you doing, guys? How you doing?

Hey, keep it moving. Keep it moving. I was curious. I never hear y'all talk about it. How did y'all meet? Did y'all all grow up together and get the show started? How did y'all get the whole thing started? I was always curious if you had an interview process

or if you just got your boys together. All right, Thomas, I appreciate you. A couple guys from high school, a couple interns, one caller that was a ship painter. And a guy from the internet. Coach's son. Coach's son. Friend from kindergarten. Yeah.

Doofus with mangled fingers. Yeah. Well, he was the ship painter caller. Present. Present. Merry. Present. Present. Merry. Present. That show.

So good. What was it called? Flight of the Conchords. I never saw it. Never. What are you talking about? You just did their bit. I said present.

I mean, that's been used in 700 movies. School, too. No, that's their bit. What is Flight of the Conchords? Is it a movie or a show? This guy stinks. They're a band, actually, but it's a show. The fact that you've seen it is crazy to me.

What are you talking about? I've heard of it. I just have no idea what it is or who's in it. Well, it's business time. You haven't seen it. I have. I can tell. You have not.

You've seen a GIF. Okay. No. Those dudes are talented, man. They can write a song about anything. There we go. Here we go. Keep digging the hole.

I'm not. I watch that show. I'll back him up here. It's one of the few shows Pat has seen. Maybe start to finish. Bro, New Zealand. It's like Australia, just closer. That's a poster in the back of fucking Murray's office. I love that show.

I don't know why. I have no idea why. I was probably injured when I... It's just so dry and so dumb. It's just great. Yeah, I enjoyed them. Is that what came on after House of Cards? When you were just bedridden for two weeks

that's what has to happen so that's all so for me to get into the shows i have to be not allowed to move my from my bed yeah all right cool so we'll know next time i have to do anything like that let's go ahead and get some things let's get some things uh let's go the phones let's go to taylor anyways that's a long question your answer. You know what I mean? Very long. We should do that, though. A lot of people ask. We should do it. I want to do the same.

The first year. Bingo. Sorry, Evie. The first year I was on here, I wasn't sure who you grew up with and who came later. Well, I like to think that we've been a family. It feels like everybody has been together forever, honestly. It's a good group. I don't know how often this type of thing happens, I don't think.

I think it's pretty rare. If ever. If ever, yeah, honestly. I don't know. There's not a lot of down times. I mean, it's not like, you know, what did Bill say? Thick and thin. Yeah, not too much thin.

Yeah. I don't see any of us leaving to do an afternoon show on CBS Sports. Come on. AJ. Tony. That's like 20 years they've been together. Oh, jeez. Tony. I thought on CBS Sports. AJ. Tony. That's like 20 years they've been together. I thought he was talking about AJ. We like those guys.

We do, actually. I know. But I was surprised to see Perloff out of there. I did not know. That's what you're talking about right now. What? No, no. That was hypothetical.

Maggie and Perloff have become a part of our daily... So we watch everybody's shit. We watch every show, right? Just to see, like, all right, what's going on? Who has information that we certainly don't because we don't have the connections, the amount of people, so it's on everything. Whenever I saw McLovin pop his ass up on the lower right-hand screen,

I was very surprised. I thought it was an Ezekiel situation. I did. I did. I thought it was his twin. Elias, he was in the LAX choreographed song. He had his guitar with him. He's probably going to a gig.

He's a drifter. He's around. Let's go to Taylor in Atlanta. What's going on, Taylor, on the 5RNG phone line, pal? Drifter or grifter? How's it going, boys? It's going great, man. How are you, dude?

A bit different? Yes, I believe. What's the other one? I'm pretty good. Long-time listener, first-time caller. Hell yeah. To the baseball point that you were just talking about, Ronald Acuna is returning tonight,

so baseball is safe. Oh, nice. Thank you, Ronald. Yeah. Thanks, Ron. Thank you, Acuna. He's a good ball player. But for my question, why the fuck is Dave Tepper supporting Sam Darnold?

Did he not watch the same games that I did? And so the real question is, if Sam Darnold is our quarterback, should we go full defensive picks to give him no weapons, no protection, so he's officially out? All right. Taylor, Taylor, Taylor, that could be all bullshit from Tepper too, by the way. Who say he's all in with Darnold because they might take a quarterback,

they might trade for Baker. I mean, there is you can't believe anything right now. We got to remember that. With that being said, a lot of us wonder why Sam Darnold's still potentially starting quarterback in the NFL. Taylor, you're not the only one, pal. Because they're not taking a quarterback at six. That's why. Yeah, but they might try to...

I don't know. They would love to trade back. Who's going to come up and take that from them? Yeah. I don't think Jimmy is out of the question for the Panthers. I honestly don't. I can see that. Even if they use their first-round pick. Because if John Lynch had, what, it was two twos he allegedly had? Oh, Jimmy G?

Yeah, Jimmy G. I was wondering who you were talking about. Oh, yeah, my bad. Jimmy G. Kittle just came out and talked about Trey Lance, and what he's saying had oh jimmy g yeah jimmy g i was wondering who you were talking about jimmy as well jimmy g just because the kiddo awesome kiddo just came out and talked about trey lance and if what he's saying is real then maybe they aren't worried about moving jimmy g because they know trey lance is going to be the guy yeah he said trey lance has a lot of josh allen is that just his size and his ability to move or i trust hey i trust kiddo yeah i trust with what kiddo with football george kiddo says trey lance has an insane ceiling and reminds him of Bill's quarterback, Josh Allen, at around the NFL. Josh Allen, after his first year in the NFL, whenever he played,

there was a lot of question marks on whether or not he was going to work out and whether it was the right decision. Second year, so much better than in the first. Third year, so much better than in the second. And it's like, God, he's still only going to get better and better and better. That might be what Kittle's referring to. And he has the size. Yeah.

So maybe Trey Lance is a guy eventually. But he has a high ceiling. He's also saying, like, not ready yet. Maybe. I don't know. Well, he said in that, too, like, you really can't get better if you're not actually playing the games. Kittle said this.

So it's almost like they're at the point where if they really do think he's got all this potential, you're going to have to put him in there and move on. Joining us now is a draft expert, former NFL scout for the Ravens. He's on Chargers radio. He calls the games, though, doesn't he? Yeah. He calls the games for the Chargers. He's one of Amazon Thursday Night Football's experts.

Scout feeds. He's on NFL Network, and he is fantastic he knows everything about everybody that's going into the draft hopefully he'll be able to inform us about what we're going to watch this evening a man who everybody says they trust with information about the draft you never hear that ladies and gentlemen move the sticks daniel jeremiah what's up man how's it going better room than the others, you have the best room out of everybody we've talked to. I don't know if you can see it here. Hold on.

I always like to show you guys around. So we've got out this window. Got a bidet. You can look at the pool. We got the pool. Oh, we got a bidet. Yeah, I won't show you that. Hey, the bidet is awesome.

That was quite a Vegas treat. Good pool over there. Then we go over to this other room. Standard King. Standard King. And then we've got, that's the draft sets down there. You can't really see it well, but anyway. So we got a two.

It's a two window. Hey, that a baby. Oh, so he's down there, the point down there. Yeah. Yeah, now we got to judge like Joel's and Kurt's and Ian's. By the way, Joel doing it outside the Caesars pool was kind of, I mean, that was a little gaudy. I think it was a little much.

Have you talked to him about it or you only saw it? No, I was right next to him. We were doing a media availability thing there. So, yeah, you caught him when we were over there doing that. But this is different, man, than any other draft. I remember when I was back at Radio City Music Hall, and now we're out here at poolside at Caes know at caesar's and and uh on the vegas strip here it's crazy man are you enjoying it is it a nice setup out there for you guys dude it's awesome i love it i'm not i was uh

i was texting with mayock this morning he's always he's such a good dude and we just you know hey wishing you luck and all that and i said mike even though this it's a different draft like we don't have kind of that star power, the quarterbacks, that maybe we've had in years past, but I still get butterflies. It's still fun, man. Like stuff that we grew up watching and to be a part of it, it's still surreal to me. I've already crushed like almost a whole box of Nilla wafers,

just like kind of like that nervous energy to get you going in the morning. Yeah, a little stress eating. This is your Super Bowl. Thank you for taking your time out of your Super Bowl day with us. Appreciate it. Oh, come on, man. If we look at your last mock, I believe we have your last mock, at least your picks.

We wrote them in a notes section. Dana Jeremiah's final mock draft. Number one, Jaguars, Trevon Walker, then Hutchinson to the Lions, and then Icky to the Texans with Sauce Gardner rounding out the top four to the Jets. Obviously, Aiden Hutchinson was number one overall in every, and I don't know about yours, but a large majority of people's minds for a long time. It is just the last few days almost, like four days, that Trevon Walker has become the favorite to go number one overall.

Is this a read on Trent Baalke? Is this inside information? And how many people actually know at this point that that is the pick well I mean you just take whatever information you can get I still have Aiden Hutchinson as my number one player in the draft that hasn't changed it's been that way through the whole process but when you when you're hearing things coming out of Jacksonville and people that are tied in there everything seems to be pointing towards Walker. So that's why I ended up putting that one in my last one. And also the other thing, guys, I think sometimes when this got out like a couple weeks ahead of time, when you're getting ready to do something that maybe is a little unpopular or not kind of the standard decision,

don't you think it's kind of beneficial to get that out a couple weeks ahead of time so people can get used to it versus the shock of taking him at one on Thursday night? Yeah, it's smart to give a little heads up to your fan base like hey you heard Aiden Hutchinson this entire time a lot of you probably did a lot of research on him learned a lot about him we're all excited about him we're on the hutch train doing your whole thing we're actually not taking him we're changing it we need to get this over with quick that initial wave so that they can see some highlights before draft night that's what you're thinking and does that happen yeah no i think it does and i think it has calmed down a little bit i think people have said okay this isn't crazy you know he kind

of fits what they do a lot of people have talked about you know trent balky and his connection to taking alden smith but to me it's almost more about the scheme that they're running and what they're going to do and they hired mike Caldwell to be the D.C. He was under Todd Bowles in Tampa. Think about Bowles and JPP and how they used him. I think you'll see Trayvon Walker kind of slide into that similar role. He's a really good player, man. I don't have a problem with him being a top five pick.

If it was me and he's my sixth overall player, I would take Hutchinson. But, I mean, this guy, he's a good football player, man. He'll be good. He's my sixth overall player i would take hutchinson but i mean this guy's he's a good football player man he'll be good he's great football player dan if he if he does go first though and hutchinson sitting there at two we all assume detroit is going to take the hometown kid is i'm also hearing rumors that they may not they may not feel pressure to take him and they take somebody else what happens if they do not take hutchinson there too. Tibber, bro, dude. Dude, this would be, that would be a fun draft if that happens because, you know, I've heard the whispers over the last couple days

maybe Detroit would take Thibodeau over him. Well, I'd be very surprised if they did. Man, it would not be a popular choice just passing on Hutchinson. Forget, take Thibodeau out of it,

but just having Hutchinson right there in your lap but not taking him in Detroit. I read somewhere. It'll set the draft off. Hey, I read somewhere, Nick sent me a picture of an article. Where was that from? Detroit Free Press, I think.

That Thibodeau said that him and Motor City Dan Campbell, they're talking too much. They're on speed dial. And then Thibodeau told Josina Anderson, I saw it on her Twitter this morning, that Thibodeau said that whenever he meets with the general manager, Brad, it's like an uncle at the cookout. Hey, Uncle!

Hey, Uncle! Thibodeau! Hey, Thibodeau to Detroit, but you're talking about as an overall whole, as an organization, the Michigan guy probably going to end up there, even though Thibodeau... I would think so. Yeah, okay. I mean, that's where my gut's telling me, Pat, but I mean, I've heard all this talk about Thibodeau that's kind of crept up over the last couple days.

Man, I just couldn't see them passing to Hutchinson. I know nobody has a clue what Houston's going to do. I always be leery if you ever hear somebody say that they hear this out of New England or Houston. I've checked. It's impossible to hear something if the people never speak. So, you're never going to hear anything from Belichick. You're never going to hear anything from Nick. Jack Easterby is not slipping?

They don't. I don't. Dearly beloved. Number three overall. Nobody speaks out of here. That's awesome. That's awesome. I don't know what they're going to do.

Nobody in the league. That's the most popular text message I've gotten in the last couple days. Do you have any idea what Houston is going to do? And I'm like, nobody has any idea what they're going to do nobody in the league everybody that's the most popular text message i've gotten in the last couple days you have any idea what houston's going to do and i'm like nobody has any idea what they're going to do so everybody in all these war rooms are just trying to prepare for what could potentially happen before them and at what point does it just like how many different scenarios can you practice and then how often does that actually show yeah i mean the nice thing is if you're picking up there in the top five, you can prepare for the three or four different scenarios of how this thing can play out, and then you're done. You get stuck in the teens.

This year, the Eagles and the Saints both have a couple picks in the teens. You could spend a month going over scenarios of if this happens, then we could move up or we could move back. We move up with one pick, we move back with the other pick. You can drive yourself crazy if you're those teams. Go ahead, Ty. DJ, we just had Schrags on in his last mock draft. He had the Packers trading up and picking Chris Olave.

I think you have them getting a receiver as well. Are you hearing anything that they actually might be moving up, especially now that the four top receivers are kind of considered head and shoulders better than the rest of the guys who might be available when they're going to end up picking? Yeah, I mean, Schrags has always got great stuff. I haven't heard that specifically with them, but there's logic. There's logic with that, you know, for them to go up. They haven't taken a wide out, as we'll say tonight, in 20 years in the first round. This just feels different. I think it's

a different climate for wide outs. You know, what happened in this offseason,season and they were a part of it but when you see how much money these dudes are going to command on the open market and you know you look at Justin Jefferson I think he's making like three million a year on that rookie contract so if you get a chance to get a stud receiver in the first round and you're going to get him for a couple million bucks versus having to go address that need and free agency and having to spend over $20 million a year, yeah, the wideouts are going to go. Hey, eight teams have two picks tonight in the first round. Obviously, quick math tells us sticks. Half the picks, quarter of the teams.

Damn. So that's probably a lot of trades, right? Don't you think? Probably a lot of movement happening tonight, right? A lot of fireworks? Yeah, I think so. I don't know how early that starts. Maybe we have to wait a little bit.

Maybe it's not the first six, seven picks, eight picks. But like John Schneider, I think from 2012 to 2019, he traded back each of those years in a row. So he's picking at nine with that pick they got in the Russell Wilson trade. I'll be very surprised if they stick and pick. That's really not in his DNA. I could see them slide back a little bit and that pick being got in the Russell Wilson trade, I'll be very surprised if they stick and pick. That's really not his DNA. I could see them slide back a little bit and that pick being for sale.

Dan, do we see anybody in the first round or early tonight that gets packaged with a deal? Like a current player on NFL roster right now, we're talking all these different players, Debo and everyone, Jimmy G. Do we see anybody packaged in a deal? I would think that the only deal we'd have a chance of getting done tonight

would be if the Debo thing were to happen. And if that's going to happen, it's going to have to happen in the next couple hours because there's no way. It's happened before. The Seahawks did it, right? If you make a trade and don't have the deal done, we saw it with Laramie Tunsil. Laramie Tunsil and Jamal Adams, that's the best position to be in. You traded all this capital for me, but I don't have the deal done we saw it with laramie tunsell like laramie tunsell and jamal adams that's the best position to be in you traded all this capital for me but i don't have a new contract done i have all the leverage you got to pay me i don't see joe like if it's going to

go to the jets i don't see joe douglas making a move for devo samuel unless he can have a contract worked out um so that's not something you can be on the clock and say all right we'll trade devo to you for the 10th pick and be like now I've got 10 minutes to work out a contract with Debo Samuel. Like, that's not possible. Hey, and those numbers take some time, too, to figure it out, right? Like, that's an entire thought process. Especially on draft.

Is today a chaotic day with, like, potential trades and conversations happening leading up to it? Are they working right now, you think, just as much as they're working tonight? Well, I don't think there's too many vets that are in the mix right now. To AJ's point, I think that once we get through today and we see who didn't get quarterbacks, then maybe tomorrow we see something with Baker Mayfield or with Jimmy, something more going to happen there.

But I think teams at this point in time want to see how this all plays out before they do anything there. I don't think DK Metcalf's going anywhere. I don't think AJ Brown's going anywhere. So Debo's kind of the – that's kind of the one just to keep an eye on see what happens go ahead tom uh mr sticks both you and shreggs in their final mock draft don't have the first coming quarterback coming off until 20 at the steelers um are you are you pretty certain that it's not going to come before 20 are you pretty certain that the steelers are going to take a quarterback how are we feeling i'd feel more certain that the Steelers are going to take a quarterback? How are we feeling? I'd feel more confident that the Steelers are going to take a quarterback

than I would that it waits all the way to 20 for that to happen, for the first one to go. I was talking to a GM last night, and he brought up a great point. And he said the Saints, that was like the weirdest trade. I don't know where you guys were on that. But the Saints to trade weeks ahead of the draft, to trade a future one and a future two to to position yourselves in the middle of the first round not having any idea who's going

to be there still one of the more bizarre trades that we've seen um and and as gm was telling me last night he's like i had my mock draft and i got him taking a tackle and a receiver and he goes why i just can't wrap my mind around the fact why you would trade a future one and a two to come away out of this draft with a tackle and a receiver that just doesn't make any sense like they there's still some people out there that think that the saints could be the quarterback team i do remember that trade happening and us being very mightily confused just like everybody else dj i was like what that make any sense yeah and there's so much shit that doesn't make sense though you know like when you're live and you're on tv tonight and somebody makes a blatantly terrible pick in your eyes

do you feel like a little bit uncomfortable saying that because any pick could work out inevitably right any pick could become a hall of famer any pick literally any pick could become a bust the draft is such a question mark is there any picks that would make you go, like, what's going on? Like you have a second or third-round grade on somebody. Has that ever happened to you? And do you openly say it? Yeah, I've said it. I mean, I said it, I think, with Leatherwood.

That was an example. And, look, I think Leatherwood's got a chance to be a good player, but he's my 55th player, and he just went with the 17th pick. So this is earlier than I would have taken him. But I know in what they do in Oakland or in Vegas, they feel like he can be a plug-and-play guard for them and kind of fits what they want to do. That's why they made that decision.

But I have to try and balance, like, this is what I think of the player, but then hopefully give the viewer an idea of what the team was thinking and why they made a different decision. Well, and also not burning bridges around the NFL. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's no need to be. First of all, at the end of the day, like, this is the most important day in all these guys' life.

And what kind of a jerk do you have to be to sit up there and rip them to shreds on the most important day of their life? I'm not going to do that. Yeah, Mel Kuyper. That's a good point. Dan, do we know how they're getting to the stage? Are they riding in a boat? Are they taking the little paddle boat?

What are we doing here? I don't think so, but, dude, I was told we could have, like, 40-mile-per-hour winds. Oh, no. As you saw us last night, our stage is, like, in the fountain outside in front of the Bellagio. So I might have a wetsuit on underneath my suit tonight, boys. I don't know how this is going to go down. You need in jump in the lake um i know but they have those you know

they do the water show so i think you could get impaled by one of those little spigots you know you know dangerous move hey just real quick the only thing that could go against you from a natural thing in the desert not rain right no cold it does get chilly but you know how cold it's going to get about the wind is really the only thing you got a bad wind day out there that's not good real or like super it's real oh yeah i'm beginning to question too i could have gone high and tight with the latest haircut and i left it a little long, and so it could be a bad hair choice. Oh. Oh. Put some gel in it.

I should have gone tight. I should have gone tight. Yeah, didn't do it. Yeah, but you were expecting the desert. Oh, beautiful. How they drew it up in the graphics with everything. Bad scouting. It's just bad scouting.

That's all I have. Well, hopefully that's not a sign of things to come for you tonight, you know, because everybody says you're a great scout. Great scout. Can't wait to watch you on TV. You'll be on our TVs right here in the studio tonight, by the way, while we are doing our Draft Spectacular. We appreciate the hell out of you, man.

You guys have a blast tonight, man. I wish I could join you there, but have fun. No, you'll be a part of it. Hey, you'll be a part of it with us. Ladies and gentlemen, Daniel Jeremiah. So, Trevon Walker, number one overall. Sounds like it. Sounds like it, huh, AJ? When, uh, it usually

makes it official, what, when Shefty tweets us, like, an hour and a half before the first pick and says they're working on a contract? Is that what you're saying about what Shrakes said? Is that what Shrakes... Well, I remember that happened with Baker. Remember they were trying to say who's going number one, and then Baker, like two hours before the number one pick, I think Shefty said

they have a deal almost finalized. Yeah, I think Alex Smith had his done the day before. Back in the day, they really did. Yeah, the CBA though, deals are already done. I mean, deals are... It's a lot easier now. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. And the a lot easier now. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

And the only thing you talk about is when you're getting the money as opposed to anything else because the new CBA basically slotted it, right? You know what happened now? Yeah, but remember like the Chargers were doing weird stuff. I remember Joey Bosa held out a while back because they tried some kind of – what did they do? They have something that other teams don't do. It had to be a guarantee when the money was coming, I think. It had to be something with that because the money is already figured out, I think, at this point.

Can I ask Telesco what the hell he's doing? What's that? Chargers. What are they doing to contracts that guys are holding, that rookies have to hold out? Like, hey, when you draft that guy tonight, are you going to pay him? Both the boasters did that, too. I believe Nick did with the Niners.

Yeah, that's probably because of the way the new CBA is set up versus how the old CBA was set up with what is allowed where the old cba used to be wild wild west six six pick overall get paid more than the fourth pick overall at some places wild you remember that yeah oh yeah you said i mean yeah that's why it was a lot tougher for for these guys to get signed i think at times because there was no you've got to see if you're the eighth pick, hey, I've got to check out what six and seven are getting and what nine is. Like, I want to make sure you work that out.

Yeah. You set the tone, though. You said, hey, I'm going to get paid all the money. I'm five overall, but I'm getting number one overall money. That's right. That house. And I'm buying that house. Hey, can you drive me over to the practice field?

Yeah, you're going to have to drive every single day about a quarter mile or whatever. AJ, is that one for – I want that house right there too, please. And that house. Put them together. Put a bridge together. And buy that house. Make them one house. I want three of the houses.

Make them one house. And then he saw the practice facility and he signed your thing and then he took your hat off and he had your big suit. Is that what happened? Maybe. No, because after he took his hat off, he said, I got to go work out now. Oh, yeah.

That's right. Now, that wasn't first day, right? Was that first day? No, that was first day at camp when I came in. Sweating already. Yeah, that's right. Kicked his agents out of the way. No, that was TJ.

That was TJ Walsh. But it was similar. I think they called that the Hawk at the time. Oh, so TJ was doing the Hawk. Yes. He said, you know, I'm going to fucking go to the bullpen here. I'm going to pull the AJ Hawk. I'm going to kick my agents out of the way.

I'm already ready to work out. Let me sign this deal here, sir. That's AJ. That's so cool, man. Well done, AJ. Give me some chicken for us. We're going to mark on the game. AJ, you want to go line dance with me and Kurt Warner or what?

I'll tell you what. If you guys get that set up, I would like to come. Really? I don't know if I want to line dance, but I would like to watch you two working out. Okay. Well, listen. I'm not that good. Like, I only know one.

But you're a legit dancer. Like, you can dance. I can move a little bit. I can move a little bit. And it's memory. You know, I can remember things pretty well. And then once you get comfortable, you get comfortable about the fourth time around, then that's when you really start letting loose.

You know what I mean? But if you're dressed like an asshole, you're going to stick out regardless whether you look good or not. So we have to get a full costume. I don't even know what Kurt Warner is talking about. We have to get a full costume. No choice. Yeah.

That's kind of how we know he lost it a little bit. And he said that himself. He said he was just learning He was just learning the fucking dances Where's his son going to college? I want to see him sling that ball Come on, dude Northern Iowa

We are going to wrap this pregame show up right now He got sacked 35 times in one practice Yeah, that's right I mentioned that out Stay in the fucking pocket Anybody else want to tackle him? Anybody else want to tackle Kurt Warren? Best friend.

Best friend's jumping up. Is that your best friend? I mean, he's a pretty solid shot, too. He was trying to break old buddy's ribs. Oh, yeah. Should have followed up a little bit more about it. Is that guy really best friend, you think, now looking back on it, trying to puncture your lungs?

Probably claims like, I was making you better, Kurt. That's why you were able to go become a Hall of Famer. Committed to the temple. Yeah, I guess. He was already bossed for a car. Yeah, I was just, I was making you better, Kurt. That's why you were able to go become a Hall of Famer. Committed to Temple. Yeah, I guess. He was already bossed for a car. Yeah, I would have got there quicker without four broken ribs.

Couldn't you have just like said like, hey, I could have got you there. Fucking remember that. Exactly. You know, I actually had that happen in a game. Ellis Langster,

shout out, punting against Buffalo. He's on the punt return team. I'm jogging down. He, from the entire other side of the field, winds up. I watch the film back. He goes like 53 and a third from one sideline all the way to the other. And then at the last second, I see him and I'm about to O-lay him.

And he goes, I could have got you. I could have fucking got you. I could have got you. And then he jogged off and I started laughing. He sprinted. He jogged all the way to his bench. I'm like, man, this guy's just fucking with me in the middle of this thing. And he could have, by the way, I think, watching the film back. But yeah, that's what his friend could have done to him. But instead he had to teach him a few things. Ladies and gentlemen, it is a massive time for our company's history. There is $20,000 on the line with what we are about to reveal.

We were going to do this yesterday, but we all saw his final mock and said, Mitt, what are you doing? So we actually gave him another 24 hours to work on this. It is the final installment. It is the official entry.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for Mitt's Mock 5.0. Here we go, Mitt. Here we go, pal. Come on now, Mitt. Here we go, Mitt. Here we go, pal. Bring it home, Mitt. Proud of you, Mitt.

Proud of you, Mitt. Pumping up the crowd. What happened? He did pump us up, didn't he? Yeah, big time. He told us to get louder. Thank you, Mitt. We acknowledge you loud enough.

Let's go, dude. All right, let's go. I'm pumped. This is my Super Bowl. Hey, listen. This is a big time night for you. Oh, yeah. Best you've ever dressed, we think, in the office.

This is my only polo that I own, actually. I am all black for my internet burial tonight after I release my mock draft. And you are attending the funeral or you are in the funeral? It is my funeral. You are getting killed. Yes, because I'm putting out my first official mock draft. No, they're dead, though, or you're dead? No, me.

I'm the one getting the— Well, we hope not. How about a little confidence going in? Killing everybody else. Yeah. You're at their feet. Come on. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I'm going to have the best mock draft, but everybody gets buried for just putting out a mock draft in general. Mine is the best. Okay. So he's like the guy, the line dancing, who's wearing all black, who's at the front of him. Bingo. And he said,

hey, the people at this bar that don't understand this are going to make fun of me. They're going to get their shots in. But I'm fucking leading the whole thing. That's right. And they're going to know. Okay.

All right. So you're saying you're not the only one getting killed tonight. Every mock draft. You're actually saying, hey, shout out to the other mock drafters. Tonight we're going to get killed.

Oh yeah. We're going to get killed together, but I am going to end up on top, yes. Okay. Killed the league. Well said. Well said. Here we go.

All right, Mitt, let's unveil this thing. Go ahead. Number one overall, Trevon Walker. Mitt, why'd you follow everybody else's lead here? You don't like it? You hate it? This isn't my favorite pick of all time, but I'm not making the pick. Trent Balky's making the pick.

So I've got to get in his head, figure out what he wants. Walker had probably the greatest combine performance that I really remember. Balky's just a Walker dude. Do I think that Khan could come in and say, hey, give me Icky? Yes, I do think that. But I'm going with Walker. If us mock drafters are going to die, we'll die together. Okay, so all mock drafters have just gone to the Trayvon Walker camp.

And it's fascinating to me that you know your shit about this. Oh, yeah. Just yesterday when he presented his mock draft 5.0, and we ran out of time yesterday on the show, strictly because the Matt Ryan conversation was so good. He had Icky at one. That's right. He had, I think, Thibodeau at two.

I mean, he changed absolutely everything we had heard come out of his mouth for the last four weeks. That's right. So he went back to – you have Aiden Hutchinson still going to overall though so this is good right is this uh you feel this is a lock uh after if Trevon Walker goes number one or Icky goes one Aiden Hutchinson definitely going to Detroit I think it's him or Thibodeau and I think that if if Thibodeau falls he's going to get taken up by Houston they need a they also need a D end rusher. I just think those two, really those three are probably the top three prospects in the draft.

It's a high pass rush draft. I mean, why not? It makes too much sense that Michigan kid is going to come home, be a line. For the good of the organization. A pillar for Michigan. And by the way, if Trevon Walker

is going to go one, Hutchinson goes two, Thibodeau goes three for sure. First everybody. And by the way, if Trevon Walker is going to go one, Hutchinson goes two, Thibodeau goes three for sure. Yeah. Sauce Gardner goes to the Jets. I think you've been on Sauce to the Jets

for some time. I have been on Sauce to the Jets just because I think it's a great pick for them. It makes a lot of sense. I think he's still

the number one corner. I do love Stingley, actually. Stingley jumped in my mock draft all the way up to seven. Wow. Where did he jump from?

Where was he? He was at 12 going to the Minnesota Vikings. Because the LSU defense coordinator is with the Vikings. Yes, and I do think there's a lot of smokescreen talk of the Texans maybe going after Stingley on the third pick just to try and get somebody to trade up there, really the Vikings trying to get somebody to trade up. I think there's a lot of smokescreens about the trades here.

I don't know if we'll see as many trades as projected. Icky, first offensive lineman off the board. Some are saying Evan Neal is a lock to be the first offensive lineman off the board. You say no, no. Our guy Icky, number one offensive lineman. Icky and Evan Neal, both great players. I think Icky just had a little better of a combine and has a little better post-draft, I guess, experience with these GMs

and scouts and stuff. Evan Neal, I have him kind of falling a little bit. He refused to do some medical tests, which I guess... I didn't know this. Which took him off a couple draft boards allegedly. That's my reasoning behind actually him falling out of the top ten. Icky is

on Fandle, the favorite to be first lineman taken. Okay! Some would think maybe Mick utilized that as a weapon as a tag team partner. He's using the entire. Kenny Pickett goes to the Carolina Panthers at six for sure. Oh, yeah. Matt Rule got him to commit to Temple.

Matt Rule is going to commit to him here. Two-way street. Okay. Derek Stingley moves from 12 to 7 to the Giants. Chris Olive going to the Atlanta Falcons. They need a weapon, don't they? Oh, yeah. And I think Chris Lave is the best one in the draft.

I could be wrong. But I think he's the best one. He really fits their mold of big receivers like Julio Jones. They don't really have that right now, so let's get him in there. And who's the other guy? Gary Wilson. Gary Wilson, who's the faster Keenan Allen, right? No, no, for the Falcons, the guy. Oh, Ridley?

Oh, Ridley. That was game one on game. He's sharp. He's sharp, too. Yeah, that's right? No, no. For the Falcons, the guy. Oh, Ridley? Oh, Ridley. That was game one on game two. He's sharp. He's sharp, too. Yeah, that's right. He's sharp. He's a sharp. Super sharp.

I don't think he won, but he's on the right side of a lot of them. Yeah, he was. Not for the year. 18, 12 season? Full season. Full season. $11 million. That's un-fucking-believable.

Yikes. Tough parlay. But I have... A couple of them. Yeah, three of them. $1,500. No, no, it came out that it was a lot more.

Oh, yeah. I think I had like a 12-legger or something. Yeah, the original reports were a little low. Yeah, 11-legger. Yeah. I'm only going to do this

for this weekend. Fuck it. Give me... I got 12 of these things. It's a hell of a Sunday, I bet. Anyways, they need a weapon down there. Jermaine Johnson goes into the top 10. A lot of people saying that.

And then Garrett Wilson at 10 rounds out your top 10. You feel good about this? I feel pretty good about this top 10, man. So I think I still have the Jets trading for Debo Samuel. Let's go. Let's get it done. Let's get it done now. And I think that the Jets are going to need – or not the Jets.

Sorry. The 49ers are going to need a weapon to replace him. Let's get Garrett Wilson in there. Wow. Let's go. Let's get it done, Jets. Come on. Hey, this could be a $20,000 top 10 right here.

It feels like it. Mate, this feels like you've got some good reasoning. Let's go into the next 10 here because you've got to do all 32. Oh, yeah. Obviously, we do not want you to describe all of these players. Why do you – all right, I'm learning some of these players right now. Kyle Hamilton. Did you learn about him?

Oh, curling Kyle Hamilton? Yeah. No, that's Maddie Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton, Notre Dame, 4'7 runner. Definitely. That's right. Definitely not a Georgia.

He didn't go to Georgia. Just to glorify. He went to Notre Dame. But that's who was there. All right, a little graphic slip. No big deal. It does not matter. I definitely missed that double check right there, but I have Kyle

Hamilton and then Trent McDuffie who you might not know of from Washington corner. He's going to the Vikings here as they missed out on Stingley. They still need a corner. They can get the top two. I think Trent McDuffie is probably the third. I think he's really, really good. I think he's going to be going in the top two. I think Trent McDuffie's probably the third.

I think he's really, really good. I think he's going to be going in the top 15. Charles Cross goes to the Texans, so they do get an offensive line. Oh, yeah, super athlete here. Giving the Texans a nice edge rusher and then a nice little left tackle, right tackle, whatever they need, really. Yeah, go win a team with Dougie Mills. Jordan Davis, the absolute stud. He ends up with the Ravens.

The Ravens. That makes a lot of sense, honestly. That's a good pick, Mick. I hope it happens. I can't tell if AJ's kidding or not, but I really like your... I think he should go in the top ten. I really think that... I was thinking

either this or Devontae Wyatt, the other Georgia defensive lineman, interior defensive lineman. I really think that I was thinking either this or Devontae Wyatt, the other Georgia defensive lineman, interior defensive lineman. I just think they're going to get an interior defensive lineman. These two are the two fastest, biggest, strongest guys. I think they are unbelievable. But I like Jordan Davis. I'm picking Jordan Davis number one overall, by the way, if I have the pick.

6'6", 341, runs a 4.8. Give me that guy. There's no other guy like that. That's why I'm not a GM, though. Tell you what, his tape, I like his tape a lot better than Walker's. Whoa. People are saying he plays offense. They would agree with me, probably.

Wow. Okay. I'm not going to kind of bring a little. I'm going to put my umbrella up here. Okay. I'm not going to kind of bring a little – I'm putting my umbrella up here. Okay. You're not in the brainstorm. You're saying you're staying out of the conversation. That's very smart of you. Let's bounce around.

Evan Neal, third offensive tackle to go off the board. That's because the medical stuff that you're hearing. Andrew Booth, Jr. heading to the Chargers. Congrats to the Chargers. Congrats. Drake Lundin goes to the Eagles. Okay, they need a Doge. Is he a Doge?

Is he a Doge? I think that he could be a Doge. He did a lot at USC, and I think that the Eagles are looking to add a weapon for Jalen Hurts. He could do a lot for them. You taking Eagles to have two wide receivers taken? Yeah, I think they're good. All right.

Why are they not, really? No, no, I got you. Malik Willis taken by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yes, Pittsburgh, you got your guy to fall to you. Let's go. Malik Willis is going to come in. He probably won't play right away. It's going to be a little bit of a project.

We got Mitch Trubisky. Mitch for two years, yeah. Yep, Mitch. He can go put his shoulder down and run into people, and then Malik can sit behind him, watch, listen, learn the offense, and then come in and fall out. How to be a quarterback, everything. In the NFL, there's so much to learn from a veteran quarterback. I wish Andrew Luck could have watched Peyton Manning.

I would, like, just operate behind the scenes. I wish that could have happened. Now, Andrew inevitably got there after he went through it all, but that's a piece of information that I don't think should get kind of thrown by the wayside. And I'd assume Malik Willis, from what we've heard, would love to be. He's an open – that that's a piece of information that i don't think should get kind of thrown by the wayside i'd assume malik willis from what we've heard would love to be he's an open that guy's a learner a question for you guys in the steelers people especially like if kenny pickett is there at 20 do the steelers take him over willis i have uh thought that mike tomlin was a malik willis guy just from from the reports a couple weeks back.

I haven't really seen a lot of them loving Kenny Pickett, and he was in the Pitt building, so I feel like that would have been a – Yeah, well, he watched Kenny Pickett literally practice every single day. Malik, though, just like Ben, small school guy, didn't have to come in and play immediately because Tommy Max was there. Mitch is there now. I mean, the stars align. Okay. Okay, so you're kind of hoping that the Panthers take Kenny Pickett.

Well, no, I'll be fine with either of those two. All right. Let's go to the final 12 here. Is it the next 10? All right. Here we go. All right. And then the last two.

Oh. Then the last two. What do you mean? Just show the last two. Those are the last. Oh, that's 12 of them? Yes. Fucking perfect.

All right. We finished it. Way to go. 12 of them? Yes. Fucking perfect. All right, we finished it. Way to go. So it's all documented. Okay, this is his. I don't want to go through every guy. Right. Because learning about them live on air tonight is a part of the gym.

Yes. But I would like to let you know, man, I think you put together a hell of a board. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hell of a mock, pal. Proud of you. Hope you win that 20 grand.

Good luck. Thank you for the opportunity. This is truly a dream come true, Pat. Oh, okay. That was awesome. Sentiment mock, pal. Proud of you. Hope you win that $20,000. Good luck. Thank you for the opportunity. This is truly a dream come true, Pat. Oh, okay. That was awesome. Sentimental, man. That was good. That's honestly good.

I know Mitt doesn't think I'm serious. I think that's a legit mock draft. Me too. I enjoyed that a lot. I lost a lot of sleep over this, AJ, so thank you, actually. Go. Sleep tight tonight. Sleep tight tonight after you win this thing. Hell yeah. And we found the scoring system, right? Yeah, we do. Yes, we did. I tight tonight. Sleep tight tonight after you win this thing.

Hell yeah. And we found the scoring system, right? Yeah, we do. Yes, we did. I have it. By the way, don't have to have it yet

if we don't. How do you do the, oh, you say you do have the scoring system. Well, we might. I don't know. There's been like three different ones

that we've looked at. There's, you know, getting a player right in the first round. Some people have points for getting them to a team match correctly is some points a trade happening with a team is points proper pick after trade is a certain like there's

a bunch of like it sounds like booster points almost it's a whole thing i guess it's all thing right ton i mean you're yeah you added a point for a correct round point points for specific pick points for specific team a lot of points for a trade. Tone, do they do this? Do they have rank mock drafts from all the experts in the previous years that we can look at? I haven't found those. I don't think they have hit percentages,

but I know this year we will certainly have to have everybody score. Which is not great. We will not put everybody's name on it. We will just say network person this, network person this, met this. We won't say which network it is. No, no, no. It'll be the. I can do it with you.

I can collect everybody's. We appreciate you. Perfect. Thank you, Ted. All right. It's time for us to get out of here. Okay. Get charged up for this evening's Draft Spectacular.

There's still some things that we have to wrap up for the showcase that is the shit show. That is the third annual Draft Spectacular. We will end this show with all of our winners from the past week. Winter Wednesday yesterday did not happen. We wanted to bring it over to the Draft Spectacular Day. Everybody knows Winter Wednesday moves to Draft Spectacular Day because Draft Spectacular Day is our holiday. Bingo.

Well said. Could have forgot about that and the Mitt mock yesterday. Could have been the case, but that was not. We will run that to close this thing out. We will then put it out on Twitter so everybody knows all the winners. We can't thank you all enough. Tonight, a lot of shit being given away. Chris Ballard, Tom Telesco, Aaron Rodgers, Cliff Kingsbury, Darius Butler,

A.J. Hawk, all the boys, 32 picks. Immense potential for every single franchise and program in the NFL. Tonight is a celebration. Tonight is going to be awesome. And, A.J., I can't wait to see what you wear, dude. I'm trying to figure out what the hell you guys are going to wear, but nobody tells me. So, yeah, we will see.

We said it's an event I can't find my draft suit unfortunately if it shows up I will wear it though okay I should have kept that shouldn't I ringling brothers using it for their elephant tent that's how we used to dress. It was sweet.

You did look good. We have basketball pictures of those guys with those gigantic pants on. Yeah, I used to have long tees. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. It was a whole thing. I'm trying to bring it back. No, no, no.

There's no reason to. I'm just saying at the time when we looked at you the way you were dressed, we were like, hey, that dude looks good. Yeah. There's no reason for us to try to bring that back now into this time no right even though everything is kind of cyclical isn't it yeah but people say that but it's not everything no you know it's like just certain ideas i mean like small shorts came back i remember when i was a kid playing basketball we used to make fun of people wearing like the old john stockton's now that's what everybody wears yeah high socks too those are back you're right those will always be ankle socks

I will never you hear me? I'm not a high sock it is so itchy why do mid-cafs come back? the mid-calf socks came back because I think most people don't do leg days in this generation

also follow up I think with the shoes that came in it was a much cooler look. And also with the shorter shorts, I think it's more good for fashion. I wish I could do the socks. I can't. It just hurts my leg. I can't do it. I wish I could. But Gumpy will rock it every once in a while, and it's like a good look.

Socks match the shoes. It's a look. Yeah, it's a whole look. Out there by the fountain, just taking girls down. That's what Goof does Jesus What the hell The way you word things I mean Jesus fucking Christ AJ

Keep that to yourself tonight Alright You don't need to curse when you're talking about the Lord Amen You ever said the word curse I think're talking about the Lord. Amen. You ever said the word curse? I think that's the first time I ever said curse, not cuss. I think I've asked to like an old, can I curse on here?

I think I've asked that before. But cuss is definitely much, like saying curse there, it sounded weird coming out of my mouth. You used the root word curse before. Like a cursor? Or if. Of course. Cursive, I think is what he meant.

Oh, in cursive. Yeah. All right. All right. Hey, they don't teach that anymore, right? Cursive? No. I would assume they do. They do?

I assume they do. My kids have to do it. Really? Yeah. Nuh-uh. You're lying. This is definitely something to lie about. See you guys tonight, 8 p.m. Eastern Draft.

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and it hides our page because it's our biggest night it is in the vlog leading off the show we shall see there'll be another classic situation with our company that we did not think about but we have thought about there's just nothing we can do about alright see you guys tonight you all are the best good luck and congratulations

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