The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 661 - Mike Singletary, Justin Thomas, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the NBA Playoffs, the NHL Playoffs, all the different things happening around the world in general, and the few loose strands floating around the NFL. Joining the progrum is Hall of Famer, Super Bowl Champion, 2x NFL Defensive Player of the Year, Walter Payton Man of the Year, one of the greatest linebackers to ever play the game, and former Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers, Mike Singletary joins the show to chat about his career in the league, how the game has changed, what the challenges of coaching were, and much more (31:20-54:46). Later, 2017 PGA Champion, a man with 14 Tour wins, current #9 ranked golfer in the world, Justin Thomas joins the show to chat about his game right now heading into next week's PGA Championship, if he always knew he was going to be a professional golfer, what an average week for him is like, what the PGA is doing to grow the game, his relationship with Tiger and some of the other golfers on tour, and more (54:48-1:21:01). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Wednesday, May 12th, 2022, and this sports show shall begin right now. Can't thank you enough for joining us here. The weather is fantastic in Indianapolis, so the moods and vibes are very high in this particular studio. Joining me, the Toxic Table, at Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor. The Bruins are dead! I don't know about that. I don't know about that. We just can't win in the Hurricanes barn. It's a tough barn, but, you know, already on to the Celtics now. It's something you guys probably can't understand.

Two teams in the same playoff at the same time. It's tough. Okay, all right. Listen, I understand now you have to get offensive because you're very defensive about how bad the Bruins stink when just a couple weeks ago they were going on a run to Lord Stanley's Cup. I will say this. If you're not a fan of any team in hockey,

you should be a fan of the Pittsburgh Penguins, because we're the greatest program in the history of the NHL. Hell yeah. If not the Pittsburgh Penguins, though, that team in Carolina looks fucking awesome to cheer for. At Nick Miraldo in the back there with a fresh haircut. You look good, pal. Host of That's Hockey Talk.

Obviously one of our hockey aficionados around here. That place is awesome. How many people does their arena hold? PNC Arena holds about 19,000, but you know, the interim only... That's huge. Hey, by the way, that is huge for an arena. That is massive. 13, 15, 16. You'll hear

that number. Damn near 19,000, 20,000. You pack 20,000 screaming Caniacs in there, and it gets loud. And they seem like they're all in. Like, there's a DJ. They were playing. Do. Do.

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But the Pittsburgh Penguins will. Don't you worry about that. We finish out our series tonight with the New York Rangers in New York. Hey, Rag, sorry about it. Sorry. Find the fishing poles. Golf. We'll have T4 later on today to break down the rest of the NHL series

hosted by one half of the Hammer Cowboys at 10 Diggs. Tony, I saw on your Instagram last night and on your Twitter, you were outside, maybe on the patio, had a computer right in front of you watching a game. You had a nice little cigar over here to the right, maybe a Cohiba. And then on the left, it looks like you had yourself a little cocktail in the water you're having a nice little night last night you look fantastic you're glowing yeah it was really the perfect setup because i got absolutely fucking torched last night gambling probably the worst day i've ever had in my life how come nba bad and those

are like 40 point differences i guess in the nba last night was it mlb what got it was the mlb and uh on the ice uh that got me last night. NBA was okay, but the other two, mostly the MLB, was just fucking horrendous to me last night. What have we been telling you guys, though? That sport stinks. That league stinks. Why are you wasting this much time? And you guys have been so hot on the first five. Now you're just getting fucking

dunked on by sport that you have to watch and nobody likes. 162 days, you're going to have one of those days. As long as you have, you know, 102 good ones, what are we talking about? Yeah, I agree. If agree if you're 102 and 60 i mean that'd be a hell of a run for the baseball go uh at bubba gumpino with an incredibly fresh beard lineup right here this morning the other half of the hammer dad cowboys are you still winning in baseball and and why has that become your bread and butter aside from footy? Footy and baseball, Gumpy's locked in on. Oh, yeah. Which is actually fantastic because we bet on sports that we can watch and enjoy and know about. Gumpy has the rest of the sports world kind of figured out at this point.

First five, still a cheat code for you, Gump? Baseball was good. I got absolutely smacked on the ice, though. Oh, no. So hockey fucking murdered the sports. Tough night on ice. I'm a firm believer in the Bolts. You can get the Tampa Bay Lightning

down 3-2 to win the series at plus 280 right now. Two-time defending champion. They ain't going down to the Leafs. There's another one I think. Put that up. The Caps are like plus 240 or something. That's tied 2-2. Caps got a lot of veteran experience. I know the Panthers had a hell of a season.

They could score or whatever. If I see the Caps, hey, they still got Ovechkin, don't they? Yeah, they do. They still got Ovechkin, don't they? Yeah, they do. They still got Kuznetsov, don't they? Yeah, they do. They actually scored.

They got TJ Oshita, don't they? They've been there, done that with damn near everything, haven't they? Yes, they have. Series tied 2-2. Not that Florida Panthers are better than them. Plus 240 feels like pretty good odds, though, on the tied series, especially with those motherfuckers involved. Fucking Brooks Orpik still in it, too.

No. Problem is their goaltending stinks. Who? Washington. Why? They got two young guys that just aren't getting it done. We're fucking five deep in Pittsburgh. Louie Domingue, Kevin Domingue, standing on his head.

It ain't that hard. Sorry about it. It's right there. Come on. It's always there. It ain't that hard. Sorry, Father. It's right there. Come on. It's always there. It ain't that hard. Where's Tom Wilson? Bro, the goalie is the best.

Maybe don't take the plus 240 on the caps if they don't have a goalie. No, take the Bruins at plus 285. That is the best chance. Not a chance. We're done listening to you. We are done listening to you. Celtics tonight, though. I don't know.

Listen, whenever Connor gets on a heater, or somebody that follows with his Twitter and his outrageous things let us know that Connor is currently in the middle of a heater? Because we will jump right back on because we fucking love you, pal. I appreciate it. Love you guys too. I will say, if you're following the Twitter, though, I've only ever tweeted out losers

and I only have ever tweeted out winners until after they win. So that's kind of the... On Twitter, I'm probably like 0 and 182 well in real life when i was tailing you yeah same yeah yeah it was the same record still are too because that the only bet you didn't hit two nights ago was tatum 40 points yeah unfortunately so yeah but remember i am uh i rode the fade foxy train for a long time oh yeah others were profiting and mightily off of every foxy pick and i you know was trying

to lift foxy spirits because he was getting buried by everybody oh yeah i mean not only was he losing money on all these bets but literally every time he picked a team the team's fans would get so mad at him he would get yelled at by them and everybody in the office would go oh perfect thank you so much boom it was actually a great gambling strategy. The people that we don't know and have never met that are sports gamblers were probably tailing without letting anybody know about it. Like, hey, we got a winner. What's the

winner? The opposite of what this fucking guy from the McAfee show picks. His name's Evan Fox. He is unbelievable. He went on like a 2-48 run or something like that. John Sheeran even referenced it. Yes.

Just a couple weeks ago. Head odds maker for FanDuel. They were even like, all right. He was a sharp. Yeah. Foxy was a sharp during this run, and I happened to be alongside of him because I like Foxy. Good teammate. Foxy, very talented guy.

We do need Foxy to operate this entire business. I was just getting to know him at a better time. And I'm like, hey, come on, guy. Let's go. Let's do this. I lost so much money. So much money. Why everybody else is winning.

It looked like a blast for everybody. And now Connor. As I'm saying, I found myself in a similar situation. Yeah. But, I mean, just like Foxy, he turned it around. I feel like tonight I will start turning it around. I don't know. The difference is Connor's just betting on his teams.

We need Boston sports to lose, both Celtics and Bruins, because then I think he might become a good gambler after that. Yeah, because his heart is much more powerful than his brain. Blinded by the light. Always has been. I've actually only bet on Boston teams for the past, like, seven months. So, really, it has been kind of live by the sword, die by the sword. So, it's really not even your picks.

It's more so the GMs of the Celtics and the Bruins. I have too much faith in Boston sports, but that is again why Bruins plus 285 to win the series is a lock. See, but that, so there's two different things there. Saying it's a lock, not necessarily what you need to do. You know what I mean? But it is. Because it's not a lock.

Because it's not a lock. But I don't know. But you do like it. You know, as a? But it is. Because it's not a lot. Because it's not a lot. But I don't know. But you do like it. You know, as a Boston Bruins fan, you even laid it out. As a Boston Bruins fan, I live by the sword,

die by the sword, boss, I bet on Boston sports for the last however many months. Yeah. That's why Bruins at plus the way they win it. I'm taking,

you could say. Well, but it's a lock. But then whenever you project it is a lock, then it's like, oh no, here we go again.

Now this is another loser that's going to go on your record. Backing yourself into a corner. Instead of just saying you project it is a lock, then it's like, oh, no, here we go again. Now this is another loser that's going to go on your record. Backing yourself into a corner. Instead of just saying you like it, you're leaning towards it. I would like to do this. This is why I'm doing it. Instead, you follow it up with, boom, this is a lock. Now everybody's like, all right, here we go. Yeah, you got to do it.

I don't lean. I only fall. And I'm falling to the blue side. And by the way, Celtics to win the title. Also a lock. Hammer that, too. You have fallen quickly. Yeah.

Hey, it's all right. Me and you, we've both fallen because I've been alongside you. We're going to crawl out. Thank you. We will. We'll cut the anchor off the leg.

Like Christian Bale. Yes. We'll make the jump. We'll get the rope off. Yeah. We'll do the jump over there. Rise. Rise.

Rise. Is that what they said? Yeah. Well, the only way to make it is you've got to take the... Bruins to win the cup. You. Rise. Rise. Rise. Is that what they said? Yeah. Rise. Yeah. Well, the only way to make it is you've got to take the. Bruins to win the cup. You've got to take the safety. You've got to take the harness off.

You've got to take the harness off. I'll take the harness off. You're right. Bruins to win the cup, not to win the series. No, no. I'm talking about us getting out, not us continuing to bet. I'm talking about the hole that we are currently in because of your choices. All right.

Fair enough. Maybe a first basket tonight. But once again, my choice to follow you, though, which is an issue. But you're right. We can maybe get out of the hole tonight. One good first basket. Yeah, Tatum, three-point field goal to first basket. Yeah, method basket.

Boom. Boom. We are 10 feet out of the hole now. The hole is 250 feet deep. Let's talk about some news, shall we? Miami Dolphins social media team did two of no favors. Oh, my God. So much like when Lamar Jackson had one of his first completions,

the Sammy Watkins, and it was an incredibly windy day, and it was a completion. It wasn't his prettiest ball. It was a little bit of a flutter, a duck, but it was a completion. The Baltimore Ravens social media team had a great slow-mo video of it. It was a nice catch by Sammy Watkins. But they didn't think about what Twitter is. And Twitter is a place that whenever it is announced, the top paid sports broadcasters and what the attention is supposed to be about,

Tom Brady making more allegedly, which might not be the case after refutes from Fox, but Twitter, as soon as whatever your intention is, might not be the case. Tom Brady is the highest paid sports broadcaster without ever being behind a microphone was the headline from the athletic of the um of the tweet yep what the photo was though of a graphic was showcasing the top five top paid broadcasters uh in sports and what ended up trending number one was jim fucking rose oh yeah because the intentions of it was, look how much money Tom Brady's making

without ever stepping behind a microphone. And Twitter saw that and said, look how much fucking money Jim Rome is making. And that ended up being the number one trend quickly. Like boom, bang, number one trend, Jim Rome. That's kind of what Twitter is in a nutshell. And if you don't understand that properly, it's going to be a tough road

for a bit on Twitter because they posted a video of Lamar Jackson throwing a ball to Sammy Watkins. Look at this. Great new connection. These two are going to crush it. Internet. What a terrible fucking ball from Lamar Jackson. This guy can't throw a football. Oh my God, this guy stinks. They had to delete the tweet.

By the way, we do not say that about Lamar. We do not believe that about Lamar. In any practice, there's going to be a ball that gets wobbled or dropped. That's something that happens at practice. We were just pointing out the fact that the Raven social media team was like, boom, here's a fucking home run. We're going to put this out. Miami Dolphins did the same thing.

Oh, Miami. Yeah, Tua connecting with Tyreek Hill on a deep ball. It looks awesome. It sounds great in theory. But the internet immediately upon seeing this slow motion deep ball said, oh, Tyreek Hill had to come to a complete stop. Tua doesn't have a strong enough arm. And it's going to be a terrible relationship,

just like everybody said about Tua's arm strength. That's exactly what the internet said. Now, could that ball have slipped a little bit out of Tua's hands? Yes. Sure. Could he be throwing into a very, very strong wing that we don't see? Yes.

Could they still be figuring it out? And that is literally the first one that Tyreek has run and he doesn't know how far he needs to put it because Tyreek Hill is a different fucking animal. Yes. All these things could be the case. But as soon as you put this on the internet and the conversation is already a little bit about

whether or not Tua can keep up with Tyreek's strength, the internet's going to do their thing. And that's what the internet, Tua doesn't deserve it. Tua's been through enough already. Dolphin's social media team's going to figure that out. I feel like they're looking at their mentions. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. How come nobody's like,

this is going to be an electrifying new duo for at least the next three years? How come nobody's talking about the AFC East having the fastest motherfucker on Earth? Maybe DK might get it. $50,000, maybe. Yeah, we'll see. At wide receiver down in Miami with an offensive guru

at head coach who turned around every single offense he's ever been a part of. How come nobody's talking about that? They're just talking about his own? Well, that's because that's what Twitter is. Gumpy, how is this the first video we see of Tua and Tyreek? It can't happen, Gumpy. Can't happen.

As someone who lives and dies on the internet, this was very tough to watch with the rocket emoji, putting it out. I mean, come on, guys. What are we doing? Now, with that being said, hey, ball wasn't on the ground. It's a decent ball. Yeah, it wasn't that bad. Maybe he was open by 20 yards and he said, hey, I just got to get it to him.

By the way, if you remember Wasp. Yeah, he was. I think Wasp, the play in the Super Bowl that Pat and Tyreek Hill called, I believe Tyreek came to a complete standstill. Now, granted, Patrick Mahomes was on a full sprint backwards. Right. And it ended up being like a 65 or 70-yard throw when it was all said and done. But Tyreek stopped, caught that, ran around. I think. If not, there's other examples of that. And it ended up being like a 65 or 70-yard throw when it was all said and done.

But Tyreek stopped, caught that, ran around. I think. If not, there's other examples of that. So this isn't the first time that Tyreek has had to stop for the quarterback throwing him the football probably throughout his entire life. But I don't think that's the right first one. Maybe they were working on the Carl Wentz-Joe Flacco special, you know, where you hunk it up there and the receiver has to run back through the D-back. Hey, Commander's fans, that is quite a delight from Carson Wentz.

Yeah, they're going to love it. Carson Wentz, we've got a lot of those. Oh, yeah. Normally we've been on the other end of that, and we didn't really have a quarterback that was full, hey, we're going to get pass interferences because we're able to extend the play, which Carson Wentz does well, and then we're able to underthrow a little bit so that the wide receiver has to stop in the corner at 21 miles an hour, can't stop, and runs right to the wide receiver.

Receiver puts his hands out. Oh, whoa! Trying to catch it. Oh, whoa! Spot foul. We are in field goal range. Hell yeah. I mean, the commanders are getting that.

And maybe that is what Tua and Tyreek and Mike McDaniel are working on down there. Maybe that is the offense that they're thinking about. If you can get him 50 yards a pop with that, which I watched last year, you can. Not a bad little play to put in there. Do you think it's possible that this was their worst rep and they were like, fuck it, let's let everybody just think Tua stinks. They already do. Sandbag him.

Let's sandbag him. Then when he comes out there week one looking like fricking Jim Plunkett or Kenny Stabler slinging that thing. Or Brad Johnson. Or Brad Johnson. And people are going to be like, where the hell did this guy come from? We saw this stuff all offseason. He's got a fuckin' noodle arm. Sandbag him.

That's a good play. Why do you think, too, is such a punching bag on the Twitter machine? Why do people not like? Because the way it has all went down. Okay. When your own team does it, everybody else will. Let's break it down. The way it's all gone down.

Hip injury. Yep. Can't come back from it. Had a pro day at like a... That indoor... Hasselbeck, was it Hasselbeck? No. Dilfer.

Dilfer. Dilfer's indoor or whatever. Remember there was a tornado that I think the day of his pro day and their tree went down. Yeah, it was a 30-yard field so he could throw out the whole length. Well, see, that's what I'm saying. Every single part of the process, I think, has had things inside of it that if you were a Tua hater or a Tua doubter,

that has kind of gasoline the flame a little bit. Because his relationship with the Dolphins, wild. Absolutely wild. Could have never projected a top-five draft pick, a quarterback position, to be treated the way he was treated in Miami. Now, with the allegations of what's going on behind closed doors, allegedly for the last few years, in Miami happening, that would make sense.

Because you get this guy, and you basically just put him through a mental hell you have him play and you pull him out with two minutes left in the game when it actually matters or on big plays and put in a guy the way he ended up getting started uh announced as a starter Fitz magic didn't even know was coming said he was heartbroken they were on a win streak then there's obviously the times where he misses a game in a Miami Dolphins state. There's no injury. And then it turns out there was. Hairline fractured ribs. So it's like everything that has happened has been just like more ingredients to the recipe of like a clusterfuck.

But if people don't like to, all those clusterfucks, I can just say, are his fault. Like, well, the reason why he got pulled in the important parts of the game is because everybody that actually saw him in practice and saw him in meetings knew that he didn't know how to run a two-minute offense or this was a bad situation. Fitz Magic was much better at this. So he wasn't good enough when it really mattered. He wasn't hurt. So he's missing games.

He's softer than anybody. It was like, well, it turns out he was hurt, and then it turns out that maybe other shit was going on behind the scenes. So I just think there's been a lot of situations that add to the oh to his trash camp that i don't think is right by the way i don't think we have a clue whether or not this guy is good or not i think he's been given next to no chance in miami personally there was no need to rush him though like this all started when they brought him in you could have rode fitzy that whole year he could have sat that whole year there was no need to do that so you you sit him the whole year, then he's

caught a bust. Still getting shit talked about him, but then there isn't the situation between him and Fitz. Divide in the locker room. When they drafted him, everyone was like, okay, he's going to be behind Fitz this whole year. He'll recover from injury, be alright. He'll start next year. That was the thought. How about

when he's not healthy enough to start, but he came in and played? While he was starting, he was in a starting run. Starting, doing well, doing well, getting pulled out of a couple of situations. What's going on? And then, oh, he's too hurt. He can't start or whatever. Then he comes in, like the third quarter, I think

and plays really well for the rest of the game. It's like, what the fuck is going on down there? Also, I don't know if it helps that Burrow and Herbert were also in the top five or six or whatever it is. Oh, and Herbert was after him. Yeah, because Telesco said, whoever. It doesn't matter to us. We, like, all three quarterbacks that potentially were going to get picked ahead of us or whatever,

they end up with Herbert, who is now being talked about like he's Josh Allen almost. Yeah. Like, hey, this might be the next prototype. Josh Allen at 6'5"? Yeah. 260, 250? Mm-hmm. 240 maybe.

Maybe 240. Josh. 40 probably because isn't Cam 240? I don't know. 240 probably, 245? 260 is massive. Let's say it's 6'5", 237. Oh, geez.

Imagine if he was 260. Oh! That'd be too much. Running a 4'7". Jumping over people. Yeah. He was running Isos last year. Mm-hmm.

But Herbert, I feel like because he has similar body as Josh Allen with how big his similar arm, they can both huck the hell out of it. I'm not saying who can throw the ball further because I assume Josh Allen, who is noted long ball thrower, would be very offended by that. But also that's maybe a shot at Justin Herbert. I don't know how he feels about his long ball. Until that is squared away, I do not want to make a determination on who can fucking throw the ball further out of those two.

But it does seem like those two are very similar together. And that's how – that's interesting because Herbert, have they had success? I think they've showed promise, right? They've certainly showed promise but last year, right, didn't do nearly as much as they thought everybody thought they should. Two years ago, didn't do nearly as much as they thought they should. I think Herbert's going to be a guy for

sure, but it's interesting how we judge people, I think. I think that is, and by we, I mean the fucking sports Twitter, sports media world as a whole. You could argue though that because Herbert won Rookie of the Year. And by the way, he's listed at 6'6", 236, so basically the same fucking thing. And Josh Allen, after year two, people were wondering if he was going to be a guy or not. And Herbert, I think already people think that he is.

I hope they win because Herbert is, he does appear to be the guy. Him running over to his second player or whatever. Tossed in with five minutes before the kickoff because a golf tee was shoved into a lung. Like Sunshine did. Just, hey, you're in a game. Hey, let that guy through. That's right. What do you mean just let him through?

How about when Sunshine flipped that mother fucker? That was awesome. Music kicks in. We go on a fucking six-game winning streak. Bro, he won. Titans are in his playoff. Dude, he won the entire locker room. Oh, yeah. Immediately.

One little flip. Lead blocking on the option after they fucking. Oh, bro. Yeah, Rev. Bro. Come on. That's the best football movie in my eyes. Agreed.

And Friday Night Lights is up there. Billy Bob Thorne and Coach Gaines. Yes, but. I mean, Fridaychell was... Winchell was, yeah. Varsity Blues, pretty sweet. Yeah. Different.

Hell of a movie. It has three different genres of movies, I think. Exactly. Longest Yard. But remember, Kurt Warner said... American Underdog.

Football movies normally aren't about football. No. It's about the story. Kurt also stuck up for Tua today. Denny, what'd he say? He said,

I've thrown plenty of underthrown balls in practice. You know, happens to everybody. Literally, that's about the story. Kurt also stuck up for Tua today. Did he? What did he say? He said, I've thrown plenty of underthrown balls in practice. You know, it happens to everybody. Literally, that's what practice is. That's why whenever they were showing like Richard Sherman, when he first got to the Niners, gets smoked by a guy or whatever, it's like, yeah, this is practice. Like you're supposed to be working on things. You're supposed to be taking chances on stuff in practice

so you can continue to get better. That's why I thought with this modern world of welcome to it with phones everywhere like people would be scared to work on their game because you can get got if you're working on something if you're like for instance and this is such a minor thing but like in the punting world if I wanted to change my drop midseason because something wasn't happening if I wanted to change my drop just like a half an inch maybe, there's a chance the first 10 balls I hit are going to go 15 yards

because I'm not going to have it timed up right or do anything. But if you have a bunch of people at practice with cameras out there, there's no way that somebody other than like a veteran, like a young player, would ever even think about attempting that because if that was to be seen by somebody or to go on the internet, you'd be dead forever. You'd be fucking dead forever. And that's just the punting position.

I couldn't even imagine at the quarterback position with a new grip maybe, maybe they're working on a new drop, how far can we do this? How the back of the end zone, it looked like they were backed up a little bit, so it might have been a little bit short. That type of shit from practice is always fascinating because you have no idea when somebody's trying to change something trying to work on something or if hey this is a full go right now much like pro football focus when they're judging players on the game like you have no idea who's supposed to be doing what at the time that's why i think context is very

important that's what also makes this so bad like if your own team's not going to protect you oh yeah we started out with that's been the case. It's the beginning of two. Their PR department at one point released that he wasn't even injured. Now, I think we met one of them. Was that the PR? Oh, probably. She was very nice, right? Yeah.

Might be a new, too. I assume they might have cleaned house. Got to put that Flores era behind him. I think it could just be the cameraman's best rep, and he said, we got to post this one. Oh, Foxy. It could be that simple. Hey, this is the best one.

I tracked the ball on. It looks awesome. Not even thinking about Tua or Tyreek. This is my best shot. Hey, get that culture. Hey, get that culture. What's good for the Gander is good for the goose, okay? Let's remember that.

Let's go ahead and keep it all together here. Can't have their little content guy down there pumped about the shot that he got. Not scared to bury the goddamn

starting quarterback of your program. It's a great shot. It is a great shot. It can be that simple. Gets Tyreek in there too at the end. Yeah.

Slow-mo to end with the... Great piece of content. Timing with quarterback and wide receiver is one of the biggest parts, right, of chemistry. And like, there's no one T wide receiver is one of the biggest parts, right, of chemistry.

And, like, there's no one Tua could ever compare it to. Like, okay, Tyreek Hill is just kind of like throwing to Devontae Smith in college. Like, he's the fastest guy in what? Waddle. How fast is Waddle? Waddle also very fast. When did that? That showed up late last season, didn't it? I feel like I learned about the Waddle celebration very late in the season.

I was super pissed about it. Waddle actually does late in the season. I was super pissed about it. Waddle actually does the Waddle. Yeah. I can't remember what he first did. It is fucking electrifying. I think London, maybe, because they started out like one and seven. So they didn't really get that push till the end.

And that's when they were getting more like primetime games like against the Saints, for instance. Did he do that all season and it was just the first time that we had seen it because he was in London town? Yeah, I think he was doing it in Bama too. Oh, I missed it. Yeah, I didn't see it in Bama.

As soon as I saw it, I'm like, genius! This is exactly what he should do! I was so happy about it. Dolphins could be good. Dolphins could be great. And by the way, social media is not easy, okay? But also on the flip side, come on, look out for your guy yeah you don't have

any photos probably not gonna be seeing too many clips to a hawk and pig skin for the next few days that's kind of what happened with lamar right they took that down close practice we'll never see another clip ban social media almost our fault too like i feel like it's gonna be our fault whenever something happens with this one i don't know we have coaches that watch a show that don't know diddly fuck about social media or technology. So I assume there's somebody potentially down there that's just like,

can't fucking get it off. Can't do the social media the way. It's not perfect. What happened? Well, the thing with the thing, we know it's a good shot. Can't do it. They would just try to echo what we said in here.

I know that was your best rep. I know. What if they were like, well, Flores told us to put all the bad shots of Tua out on the internet. All right, well, let's change that. Okay, let's change that. We no longer have that. That's crazy. McDaniel, thinking about him, too.

Like, what he would say. It's not. We had a perfect one. Two after that, right? Give me a while. We didn't get the slow-mo. Didn't have the slow-mo ready. Didn't have the lens ready. We gotta get everybody on the same page.

Alright, let's get to a break. We'll be back on the other side with the 5-Hour Energy phone line. Also, there is conflicting reports out of the Murdoch family. Ooh. Watching secession while Fox just potentially signed somebody to a $375 million deal

with information that allegedly was spewed into a phone during the quarterly earnings call. Yep. And now saying maybe not real is awesome to think about Roman potentially just getting onto that conference call and going, oh, we signed fucking Tom Brady at 10 years, $375 million. Life is good.

Yeah. Life is good everywhere. We have no problems over here. And everybody's like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Was that announced? And then they go to Andrew Marchand. And then Marchand goes, I'm hearing 10 years, $375 million.

And then Fox comes out and says that that is not a confirmed thing. Yeah. Fox says what has been reported isn't an accurate description of the deal. And we have not released details beyond what was disclosed on our quarterly earnings call. Fox corporate spokesman, Brian Nick. Listen, when Brian Nick is talking, they got some shit. Nick. Listen, when Brian Nick is talking, they got some shit.

Nick declined to say what was inaccurate. While sources reiterated to Andrew Marchand of the New York Post, the outlay is 10 years, $375 million. The bottom line is that the NFL is the most powerful programming this country has ever had. Feels like that might have been the exact. Yeah. It's correct. How's business?

How's business? The NFL is the most powerful program. We just had Tom Brady. That like yeah it would be said in one of those earnings calls when everybody is trying to act as if all is good or if anything bad is because a good is coming at the moment because these stock markets very fickle you know what. Very fickle. You know what else is pretty fickle? Who's that? I guess Bitcoin. From the sounds of it. There's also another company whose stock is down around 75% since the, I think since last year.

Join us now. From an attic in a random house in Ohio. A college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, A.J. Hall. What's up, dude? Hey, guys. What's happening? How you doing? Hey, good. Commuting to work, A.J. Unbelievable. What's that mean? What's that? Just driving to work? I'm in the same spot I've always been for the show. You know that. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. We appreciate you, man.

We know you're going through a lot over there. I know there's a lot of commuting and traveling. I'm not going to do a lot. What's that? Yeah, I'm not going through a lot. Yeah, I mean, you got to commute a lot. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, we're in the middle of a plan we've been working on with, yeah, different housing projects and everything.

So, yeah. Oh, okay. The reports where you guys got kicked out of the house. Yeah. Whoa. We kicked ourselves out of the house. Yes, that's The reports where you guys got kicked out of the house. Yeah. Whoa. We kicked ourselves out of the house. Yes, that's the report. They're inspecting tunnels underneath your house.

Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. We're building tunnels now, Connor. You can't tell people that. But you just did. We're on a show. Oh, no.

All right. Anyways, what are you building tunnels for? That's creepy. Bad news. Don't be building tunnels. Actually, maybe. We need an escape plan. Yeah. True. Wine cellar. So Waxing could just show That's creepy. Bad news. Don't be building tunnels. Actually, maybe. We need an escape plan. Yeah, true.

Wine cellar. So Waxing can just show up whenever. All right. Let's talk about other stuff. Fox is refuting the deal yesterday that was announced by Andrew Marchand of The Post. Allegedly, Brian Nick said, What has been reported isn't an accurate description of the deal, and we have not released details beyond what was disclosed on our quarterly earnings call.

Brian Nick, obviously Fox corporate spokesman. That's right. Hey, if Fox corporate could speak, it'd sound like Brian Nick's voice. Bingo. All right, so they're the ones talking about everything. Nick declined to say what was inaccurate about the report. they're the ones talking about everything. Nick declined to say what was inaccurate about the report. While sources reiterated to Andrew Marchand, the outlay is 10 years and $375 million.

The bottom line is that the NFL is the most powerful programming this country has ever had. The report yesterday was via, because of the quarterly earnings call, in which it sounds like it was announced by somebody from Fox that this deal was taking place. That was then leaked to Andrew Marchand, the Post, who then reports it. As soon as that number is reported,

we assume everybody at Fox Sports is pissed and everybody at ESPN is pissed. And now Brian Nick has to come out and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, we haven't signed this yet. This is all just potential conversation that's happening. Even though that would be a massive part of the future that you'd be gambling on if you were to invest in Fox Sports, if they were going to have Tom Brady as their lead analyst. Fascinating situation.

He might be getting $37.5 million a year. Sounds like he probably is. But it's not official yet, AJ. Yeah, but they didn't even say it's not official yet. They're trying to say like, hey, something, you're reporting it wrong. So is it the money? Is it the years? What are they going to come back and say? Like, I assume it's all just going to stay 10 years,

375, and they put some language in there. Oh, he's going to be an ambassador and have four appearances doing something. What if it was, okay, what if it was for 30 million a year, and then Tom Brady's people leaked that it's for 37 and a half million, okay, what if it was for $30 million a year, and then Tom Brady's people leaked that it's for $37.5 million, okay? What if they're in negotiations right now? And it's like, well, everybody kind of said, I guess.

What if it's a little public pressure? I hope that's the case. What if it's a little public pressure to get a little bit more money? Nonetheless, who knows what's real and what isn't real? All I do know is that our next guest, when he was on the football field, real. Hell yeah. Absolute stud. Absolute dog.

Was a head coach in the NFL for a little bit. Now, changing lives completely with the Changing Our Perspective Foundation, which's primary goal is to help tackle the educational and healthcare disparities we see in our nation's most vulnerable communities. Former Man of the Year, Super Bowl champion, two-time defensive player of the year. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Singletary. Yeah! Hello, hello.

How's everybody doing? Hey, should I call you coach? I should call you coach, huh? You can call me coach. You can call me Mike, whatever you want to call me. I'm good. I want to let you know, as that buildup was happening in my head, it was just a full-on Mike, coach, Mike, coach, Mike, coach.

I went with Mike. I feel like I should call you coach, though, because once a coach, always a coach. Anyways, thank you so much for joining us. You're a legend, man. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. Thank you.

Thank you very much for having me. How close do you stay to the game, Coach? Are you still dialed in every week? Are you still following everything about it? Are you one of those guys who thinks the game has changed too much to really keep up and be a fan of it, or are you still all the way in? The game has changed a lot, and some of that for the better, when it comes to the health of the guys.

You know, obviously there are some parts of the game that I think is going in the wrong direction, but that's okay. I just think I'll always love the game and it's been a huge part of my life and my family, so I'm going to stick with it. Coach, what do you think, like what kind of things do you, like trends do you see happening in the NFL that I guess you're not a fan of? Well, I think when I look at the defensive side of the ball, I just feel that some of the rulings, guys, the inconsistency of some of the calls, you know, you may go hit a quarterback depending on who the quarterback is, you know

One week is legal another week is not You play in DB and you know, they throw the ball up in the air and you touch the guy, you know It's a flag, you know some of those things I think It can really make a coach Really very upset because that's tough. It's tough on a coach. Yeah, and when you're coaching, by the way, it's life or death. You're potentially going to get fired because of some of these calls

that continue to happen on an inconsistent basis. Let's talk about your coaching time. Obviously, the accolades for your playing career are massive. I mean, so many. Change the game. One of the greatest linebackers of all time in everybody's conversation, Super Bowl champion. Moving into the coaching role, and I know you were a position coach

and you become a head coach. What did you find that was very similar to being a player, and what did you find that was different in the coaching world? Because me and AJ talk about this all the time. We are not coaches. Me and AJ are not coaches. The amount of time it takes, the amount of care and compassion it takes. Was it everything you thought it was going to be? And how much was it like being a player in the NFL as well for you?

Well, I think, first of all, I enjoyed being a coach. The thing about coaching in the NFL, it depends on kind of your background. It depends on kind of your coaching tree. How did you come into coaching? Those things I didn't really think was that important, but they are really important. I think coaches' acceptance of another coach that maybe played in the game and maybe had some success in the game, you will hear something that says, well, a great coach, a great player can't be a great coach. A great coach, a great player can't be a great coach. And to me, that really doesn't make a lot of sense because, you know, they put it on.

Well, if you were a great player, then you're going to come to the game and you're going to have that same high intensity and the same expectation of your players. Well, what great coach does not? And I just feel that that part of it, I would like to see more players that played in the game become more coaches because it would keep it true to the game. And ambassadors that played the game that become coaches,

I really think they keep the roots of what football really is in the game. Coach, we're going to have to call you back to get a better connection. It's on our end, not on your end. I can't wait to continue this conversation in like a minute or so. Players becoming coaches, you've got to be committed, though. He's talking about the entire process of becoming a head coach, by the way, it sounds like, because remember, this is not just the only player that has said the process of going from player to coach

is almost impossible because the paycheck goes 150th. You start getting coffees. You're doing this whole thing. You're there all day, all night, and then you got to work your way up and earn your stripes again, which, by the way, might be a necessity to have success in this whole thing. I get it. But I think that is the biggest problem. That's why we knew we weren't coaches, AJ. Yeah, I mean, it's true. Usually it's a long path to get to become a head coach, even if you were a great player like Mike Singletary was.

So I'm sure it's tough. Coaching is miserable. I don't know how anybody does it. Well, if you are an assistant, you've got to be coaching for the right guy. You know, and I've talked to coaches, it makes a big difference who your head coach is, like how your schedule is, how your day goes, I feel like. Yeah, because they control everything.

Joining us again, ladies and gentlemen, absolute stud coach Mike Singletary. Hey, that was our end, not your end. We were just talking there a little bit of follow-up conversation about players becoming coaches and the entire process. And you were talking about, you know, keeping the roots of the game the players in there keeping the community tight how come you don't think more players coach is it because the road in the grind is so incredibly difficult and what was your experience going from player to coach I don't think I remember or did enough research so I 100% apologize for that well um you know going going from a player to a coach, for me, it was I loved it because I knew that I had to to take it back to the very beginning for me and do my research and really understand, you know, cover one, cover two, cover three, what that meant.

And then you had to talk in a coach's vernacular. So it was it was tough at the beginning, but the more I learned about it, just like I learned about the linebacker position, I just went back to the ground roots of the defense and the offense and special teams and just really learned everything that I could and tried to bring that back to the game. You're a motivational speaker now. I do believe you dabble in that a little bit. And obviously we've heard about you as a coach for the Niners. Were you like that as a player

too? Were you the guy always calling things up? And at what stage of life did you decide like, hey, if nobody else is going to speak up, I will be that guy? It happened at 12 years old. When I started playing football, it was at that time, you know, my mom always taught me, Sonny, if you have something to say, you got to say it. And, you know, if it's just make sure that it's the right timing. And sometimes it's not a right timing. But if there's something that's in your heart and you think it's the right thing then then you got to say it how often do you get asked about vernon and you know that entire thing because that is obvious that was projected nationally that was talked about by everybody

everywhere i think we've talked to vernon about and he talked about how like a pivotal moment in his life almost he felt like and how he he kind of changed and now obviously he's having massive success after an incredibly successful NFL career from that entire point but you could probably get talked about that a lot because as an ex-player everybody would assume like okay going to be a players coach maybe you know not this type of situation I think that's why it maybe even blew up even bigger at that moment at that time you're just thinking about him as the human not just as a football player and what he needs to hear as opposed to what he wants to hear and is that how you always were absolutely i i think that um as a coach uh one

of the the first responsibilities is to always look at your players and and particularly those players on on the team that you feel that can do better than what they are and try and find that button, trying to find out what it is that will help that player become the player that they need to be. Not only that, but you see leadership in them. Also try to bring that out of them and try to help them get to the next level in life. Feels like Vernon did that and he appreciates you for it. Coach, magical moments there. Let's take it back to your playing days.

Chicago, the Bears, two different coaches on that team, right? Is that over-dramatized or not? Is that real? Is that 100% real from inside? Oh, it's 110% real, absolutely. How does that happen? As a guy who's a head coach now, could you imagine if that was actually taking place on your team?

That's wild. You guys had as much success as you did with that happening. Well, it was tough. But at the same time, I think because of the amount of maturity that we had on that team, we had a tremendous locker room. on that team, we had a tremendous locker room. When you think of guys like Peyton, McMahon, Steve McMichael, Dan Hampton, Richard, Dan Otis, I mean, we had a lot of guys that were not afraid to speak for the things that they thought was right. And so it was just one of those times that it allowed us to be able to have

two coaches that were the same way you know hey this is the way i think it needs to be this is the this is the way it's gonna be and uh how about you mind your business i mind mine and let's go and you want to super it was yeah and it worked so i guess that's a winning combination there you got the marketing too coming out of that team i mean it was you guys were a big big deal long before like social media and viral and everything was even feasible you guys were doing that and winning and having success the drama behind the scenes had to be awesome between those two dicta and buddy that had to be fantastic go ahead ty coach how difficult was it when you first

started coaching or later on when you're coaching a guy and obviously you're a Hall of Famer and you know that a guy maybe doesn't have anywhere near the amount of skill you have? How difficult is that knowing what you could do in that role, but knowing that the guy that you're coaching is never going to be able to be the type of player that you were? I think the biggest thing about that is, first of all, because of the ability that I had and being able to look at other guys that I played with, you have a sense of what a guy can and cannot do. So when you're looking at players, you go out, you do the drills, you look at the footwork, you look at the hips, you look at the body movement, and you can pretty much kind of determine this is the type of player I have. And then being able to help that player operate in their strengths, that's the biggest thing about a coach. How do I get that player to operate in their strengths? They may not be as fast, they may not be as big, but how can I help them really appreciate

and accentuate the talents that they do have? How do you know if a guy's a dog or not, coach? How do you know if a guy's a dog? Like, back in the day, I'm assuming you guys dealt with the same type of issues as the modern NFL, where some guys on the team, it's like, all right, that guy is not, like, that guy's not mentally into it.

You know, like, there's a difference, I think, in a mentality between guys that are in the NFL and then guys that stay in the NFL. How do you find if a guy is that? And do you think being a dog is in everybody? You just have to find it. I think there are critical moments, critical factors in a game, critical factors in practice. When someone gets the crap knocked out of them, do they get up and they don't want anymore? Or they get up and they get right back in the line and say, hey, I want that same guy. Come on back up here. Let's go. And the same thing may happen again. That's okay. But you know that that guy's got some pride. That's the guy that you want to play with. And that's the guy that you can to play with and that's the guy that you can develop those kinds of things um even when you're a defensive player and you look at an

offensive player you know quarterback uh the quarterback throws an interception if you go back in the huddle and and look at the ground or if you go back in the huddle and say hey guys that's my fault let's get back in here i want you to run that same route let's go that's my fault. Let's get back in here. I want you to run that same route. Let's go. That's the kind of thing that you know that you got to play. If someone doesn't have that, I'm wondering that in kids. I have four young kids and I'm always around young sports. If someone doesn't have like that killer instinct or that, you know, just drive to continue to get back up, can you coach it into them or can they develop that? You know what? That's one of those things where that's where that thin line is, where you have to try and pull them out and pull them to the side.

A great example is someone like Vernon Davis. When you say you would look at him in practice and say, you know what? This guy's a dog. But at the end of the day, you know, he's always fighting. He's always got to have the last word. So wait a minute, there's something here. But it became that moment when he had an opportunity to say, you know what, coach, that was your fault. You shouldn't have hollered at me like that. You shouldn't have did me like that. You shouldn't have. And so, but instead he came in and said hey coach but you know what i was wrong and i apologized my grandmother said you were exactly right and

you know what help me become the player that i need to be what do i need to do and i said vernon you need to catch 100 balls in the morning 100 balls that and before practice 100 balls after practice and uh the next morning he came and knocked on my door. He said, look outside. He was catching 100 balls that morning. He was going to catch another 100 balls after practice. After that season, he was all pro and the rest is history. Man, what a moment. That had to feel so good. Fulfillment there, huh? That's true fulfillment right there, I assume, for a coach. Absolutely. What are you up to these days, coach? What do you got going on? You seem to be in good shape

still. Are you a Peloton? You, Coach? What do you got going on? You seem to be in good shape still. Are you a Peloton? You on the Peloton all day, every day? I got all kind of stuff. But, you know, as you get older, you get everything you can to try and help you stay in the shape that you need to be in. But really primarily right now working on our 501c3, which is changing our perspective. And it's all about helping the gap that we have in our country. How do we close that gap?

And for me, the gap is education and health and mental wellness. I think that when you look at our schools, we have a couple of partners. Shmoop is one of those partners that we have that's doing a great job. They have great curriculum that's engaging for the kids. They have test prep. And those programs really go a long ways toward supporting the teachers and supporting the students. On the other side of that, we have another partner. It's called Pulse for Pulse. And Pulse for Pulse really, really helps the lower socioeconomic communities understand where they are health-wise, not kind of what they have today, but where they are health-wise and be able to tell them, if you continue to do this,

this is what you're going to have. You're going to be a diabetic. You're going to be a person that's going to be very sick. So those are two things that we have, two programs, that are kind of the foundation of what we do, and we continue to move forward with that. Hell, yeah. Yeah.

Thank you, Coach. A diehard Chicago Bears fan. Thank you for doing that, by the way. Making the world a better place, man. It's awesome. From Baylor Bear to Chicago Bear to saving the world. I mean, that is awesome news. Zito, big-time Chicago Bears fan.

Can't wait to chat with you. Go ahead, Coach. Hey, Coach. I just had a question. So, like, we talked about, like, having two coaches and two teams, basically. Did you guys have any good, like, you and Walter Payton, any good stories with that on the like practice field well um as far as walter and i uh you know walter was a prankster and and uh i found that out pretty early on and uh so so that he and i could be friends

uh i told him i said walter you know? I'm not very good at responding to those. So I'd appreciate it if you don't do that to me. I don't play these games. I don't play these games. Water balloons and all that kind of stuff. You just always had to watch yourself when you're around Walter. Had a lot of fun. Kept it fun in the locker room.

But I think amongst when we got back in the locker room We were a team We had fun together We talked Whether it was me and McMahon Whether it was me and Walter Dent, Otis, Hampton It was an interesting locker room And one of the things that I tell people

And people say all the time Man, that team had so many Great athletes And I said, no, they didn't. We really didn't have, you know, a lot of tremendous talent. We didn't. We didn't. We had guys that hated to lose. We had guys that held each other accountable. We if you didn't do your job and I tell people this all the time, Hampton and I really didn't get along very well when when I was playing. We didn't

really become friends until after I finished my career. Because when I played and I missed a tackle, Dan Hampton would turn around and say, hey, man, do your job. Why did that guy get three yards? I said, hey, how about you do your job? But it was one of those things where I didn't want to let him down. And he knew that if the quarterback threw the ball 20 yards down the field, I'm saying, hey, man, we got to get home. You got to get to the quarterback. Let's go. What are you doing? So it was that kind of thing that that we did to really push each other and make sure that we were doing our job. And on the day that I found out I was going to make the Hall of Fame, I sat there and I thought, which team mate am I going to call first?

And I'm thinking, no, no, not Dan. But I ended up calling Dan first because he was the guy that always challenged me. You know, Samurai, come on, man, you're better than that. Let's go. And that kind of thing, we did it to each other all the way through my career, as well as Dan and Steve McMichael and Otis Wilson. It was always that way. That's what made us a great team. Accountability within the locker room is the culture that everybody is speaking of and trying to find around the NFL. It's no surprise that the Bears had an incredible one. The success was, I mean, you guys were superstars. You guys were absolute superstars out there doing it the right way. Sounds amazing. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah,

coach. Are there any players you look around today that you would kind of either want to play with or coach like for them on the field, like whether it be a linebacker or even a D-lineman, a safety, or anybody on the offensive side? The first guy that comes to mind on the defensive side of the ball, the linebacker, the middle linebacker for Tampa Bay, he's from LSU. White? I forget his name.

I think his last name may be White. Okay, yes. He's a good-looking linebacker, and he's a guy that I wouldn't mind coaching. He's, I think, a tremendous athlete, as well as the guy the middle linebacker for the Chicago Bears.

I think he has a tremendous amount of ability and and I really like to see him go to the next level. On the offensive side of the ball, you know, the quarterback at the Chicago Bears, I think when I looked at him in college, he took a hit one time that that I mean, he just just got level in the bowl game. The guy knocked the crap out of him. He gets up and he continues to play. And I thought, wow, there's something special about that kid. And kind of Cam Newton kind of ability.

But he's a kid that I really think whatever coach have the chance to coach him, they have an opportunity to have a tremendous player uh if they do the things that they need to do early on you're a bear through and through and you know the bears are always known for that linebacker core and i think it's because you and then obviously erlacher comes through there and many other greats have you an erlacher do you guys just like once a year strap the helmets on and just run into each other head first you know is that what you guys you guys still strap it up or strap the helmets on and just run into each other head first? You know what I mean? Is that what you guys – you guys still strap it up or what?

Like, you know, for the good old days for the Bears or not? No, we don't do that kind of strapping it up. But we see each other maybe two or three times a year, and it's always good to see him as well as Butkus. You know, the three of us get together every now and then. Maybe a couple of times a year we'll see each other. No beer safe. get together every now and then. Maybe a couple of times a year we'll see each other. Don't be a sis. And just kind of chat a bit about what's going on, what's happening, and it's always fun.

Imagine a Chicagoan walking – is that what you guys call it, Chicagoans? Walking into some steakhouse or whatever, and it's Butkus Singletary and Erlacher's here. Oh, my God. Thank you guys so much. Thank you guys so much for everything. Thank you for your time today. We appreciate you, Coach.

Come back whenever and keep doing great things with the Changing Our Perspective 501c3. I thank you, sir. God bless you. Take care. AJ, you take care of yourself, too. Quite a linebacker yourself, my man. Appreciate it, Coach. Hey, you know this guy exists?

You think he's a good ball player? Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah, he was a good ball player. I had hoped that we would get him in Minnesota when he came out, but he went to Green Bay. I thought he was an excellent linebacker and did a great job at the collegiate level. And I thought he did a great job at the pro level.

So, A.J., I thought you did a tremendous job. Fantastic guy. Wow. Thank you. Appreciate it. Talked to a lot of guys that you coached. Chad Greenway, I like that guy a lot. I know you coached him.

He had great things to say about you. Chad, okay. That's pretty cool. Tell Chad hello when you talk to him. Hey, Coach, Coach, real quick. When you're scouting a linebacker, do you look at just the sheer size of their cranium? Like A.J.'s head here. For instance, he has one of the largest heads, jaws, and everything.

And you're like, you know what, that guy, probably a thick skull. That guy could be a good linebacker. Do you think about that type of stuff when you're scouting? I'm going to tell you, now that you mention that, let me tell you who A.J. reminds me of when you look at him at a quick glance. Spillman. Oh! He's got a hard head too, yeah. quick glance, Spillman. He's got a hard head, too.

Body type of Spillman. Kind of walks like him. He has a little more flexibility than Spillman. He definitely reminds me of Spillman. Oh, that's awesome. Spillman's running a team right now, isn't he? Yeah. Hey, thank you so much for your time.

Hall of Famer, legend, Coach Mike Singletary. Thank you. Yeah, Coach. Singletary. Thank you. Yeah, Coach! Joining us now, a man that is a part of a crew and a tour that keeps us all entertained every single weekend. We might fall asleep in the middle of it, but when we wake back up, we are so excited to witness the spectacular that is the way these dudes hit golf shots. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who has 14 career tour wins a major in there.

This weekend, he's the second favorite to win the AT&T-Barn Nelson Tournament. Alabama guy. Roll Tide! Justin Thomas. Yeah! What's up, man? How we doing? Hey, thanks for joining us.

This is huge for our program. You know, you're a big-time golfer joining our show. This is big for our program. We appreciate the hell out of you. Hey, it's big for my resume. I've been listening and, you know, a big fan of you and all your tackles. So, you know, this is pretty cool for me to be in a show. That's what I'm talking about.

Hey, that's what I'm talking about. Good way to start this whole thing off. Feels like we're going to be best friends. Let's dive in. How are you hitting the ball? How's the ball rolling? Feel like this weekend you're the second favorite behind old Scootie, Sheffler, or whatever is number one in the world.

Your second best odds going into the weekend. How do you feel? You must be striping it. Yeah, three weeks off, which is pretty rare for us. So it was nice to have a little time off and get away from the game, but then got back practicing pretty good and really just trying to get dialed in and, you know, peaking for the major next week. But, you know, I'm excited for this week.

Three weeks off. Is that an eternity for you, or do you need – have you been golfing your entire life here? Like ever since you were a kid, everybody knew you were going to be a golfer? Well, I kind of sucked at everything else, and I like sports, so it was pretty much my only choice was golf. So, I mean, I always loved it. I grew up around it.

Yeah, it's been my thing forever. Who do you like to play with sometimes, like on your practice rounds or when you get to the course early? I know you guys are there all week. It's not just what we see on TV. Do you have a core group of guys you play with? Yeah, I mean, I play with Jordan and Ricky quite a bit. It's just, it really is kind of matching schedules. I mean, everybody kind of goes about it differently in terms of what, how they want to prepare, you know, what nine they're going to play

and whatnot. But yeah, I mean, we like to get some money games here and there and poke fun at each other. It makes the preparation process a little more fun. What's the mentality when you're in the tournament? Is it similar to trying to keep it as light as possible, or are you super dialed in, super focused, and have you bounced back and forth throughout your years of golf? I'd say I've bounced back and forth. I think a lot of it, as crazy as it is, depends on who you're playing with.

I think, you know, at least for me, I'm probably better off when I'm, uh, when I'm just me and me and my catty bones and we're kind of in our own little world. I mean, we'll talk between shots, but the more focused I am, the better. I'm not really someone that's, that's better off being laid back and relaxed and yucking it up with the guys, the fans, whatever. Like it's, I'm out there to do a job and, uh, and you know, being focused is my best chance of doing it well what's the work week look like it sounds like you just got out of a buy how we would describe a buy there with a couple

weeks off for the body yeah mega buy did the body heal and what is the work week like are you like putting in the morning do you have a full routine every single day and do you stick by it the entire pga season yeah i'm pretty i mean i'm pretty routine orientedoriented. I mean, on Wednesdays we have pro-am, so I had a 650 pro-am this morning, so a little 445 wake-up. Woo! Hey, you're a good guy. You're a good guy. You're a good guy.

So, yeah, it's never fun setting an alarm in the fours, but I go to bed early, so went out and played my nine-hole pro-am, got my practice done, and, yeah, I'm back and settled the rest of the afternoon. What's practice look like, though? You know, I'm preparing for my first big tournament here, JT. I'm in Tahoe, okay, in July. Yeah, hey. Hi.

Thank you. There's a bug bomb that just flew right into my eyeball and my mouth. The studio is falling apart as we speak to you, Justin. Sorry about it. Trying to deal with the outside elements just like you have to do every single weekend here. I have a tournament coming up in Tahoe, and you have been, you know, raised in the game. But you talk to, like, ex-athletes that have teed off at Tahoe, that have been in the biggest stages.

They say that tunnel, that crowd of people when you're on the tee box is the most nerve-wracking that they get. How often, right, do you have to train your mind? And is it something you just get past you get over or is every single week in front of a large amount of people, something you have to deal with? It's definitely something you have to deal with, but it's really, I mean, it's the same as if I, you know, would have gone into your atmosphere, you know, in your plan. It's like, I wouldn't be comfortable.

Like you're comfortable, but I'm not. And I mean, it's the same. I tell this to pro-am guys that play pro-ams with all the time, you know, when you're playing, it's like, I wouldn't be comfortable. Like you're comfortable, but I'm not. And I mean, it's the same. I tell this to pro-am guys that play pro-ams with all the time, you know, CEOs, CFOs, whatever. And they're like, I'm so nervous. I'm like, well, like I take this the nicest way possible, but you're not supposed to be good. Like I'm, this is my job. I have to be good and I should be comfortable. And like, if I had to go do what you did, first off, I'd be terrible at it and second off I'd be really uncomfortable so that's a part of it is that you know this is my job this is what I've done there's obviously times when you're nervous that's good I mean you want to feel that but um you know I practice and prepare enough to where hopefully it doesn't uh get the best of me kind of thing do you ever find uh you're in like the middle of a competitive round Thursday

Friday Saturday Sunday and some of your pro-am partners are in the crowd trying to get your attention from outside the ropes, and they're yelling? I wonder if that happens. I golfed with him yesterday. JT! JT! JT! How about that eagle? Yeah, that happens, unfortunately. Yeah, but they're all good people.

They want you to tell their wife how good they are, probably. I never play this bad. It's it's like well you probably do this course this weekend you like it and what courses around the entire tour do you feel like shape your game the most what do you think is your favorite and style of course almost um yeah i mean i like the track this week i think it's um it's it's pretty in front of you i mean it's relatively open fairways and tee to green. It's right there. But, I mean, the most important thing for this week is trying to get me ready and prepared for the PGA next week. I mean, that's why I'm playing.

And, I mean, I like courses where you have to shot shape it, where you have to – it's not necessarily just, you know, step up on the tee and bomb and drive. And it's just right there. You have to think a little bit. You maybe have some wind, some firmness where you have to shape it into greens, into fairways. And I feel like that brings out the best of my game.

I feel like I learned a lot about you through the match and your coverage. You're mic'd up. You were great, by the way. Hey, you were great. You were good. You did great. Because a lot of you golfers stink at interviews. You know what I mean?

Like after the round, it's like hockey almost. It's just like the most cliche stuff. Yeah, I thought I was hitting the ball well today. You know, I didn't know what was going to happen. I found the green or whatever. I made my putts, that whole thing. Like it's always very cliche. Then you on the mic for the match was awesome.

Then I learned more and more about you. It's like, hey, this guy is like best friends with Tiger Woods. He went to Alabama. Big sports guy, this whole thing. I feel like you were introduced to the world here in the last couple of years. Did you feel that? And how accurate are all the statements? Are you like Tiger Woods' best friend in this entire thing?

I guess I can't probably speak on behalf of who, if I'm somebody's best friend. We've been very fortunate to early. I've been very fortunate to develop a great relationship and friendship with them. It's definitely something I never thought would happen, but, um, I don't know, man, I just feel like in interviews and anything, like, I just, I don't want to be anybody other than myself. You definitely see guys that act like robots that feel like they say that the PC answer and like, yeah, I understand there's times where you can't say everything that's on your

mind, but there's no reason for me to sit here and say something that someone's feeding me just because that's what they want me to say. Like I'm, because then if I'm trying to grow my brand and get people to know who I am, they're not even getting to know me, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I want to, I want to be me. Like I'm a joking, sarcastic kind of person. And I'm not really scared to kind of poke fun at you or throw jabs. And, and you know, I enjoy that. So it's just, I don't know. Yeah. It sounds like you're a human. And that leads me to my next question. How have you remained a human by the way,

because I got a chance to see you golf with him, Jordan Spieth. I think I was in, I got an Airbnb in Dallas whenever we were there for WrestleMania, I got an Airbnb in Dallas. I think it for WrestleMania. I got an Airbnb in Dallas. I think it was in his neighborhood. The only reason why I know that is because four of the neighbors told us whenever we were there that it was there. And it was right on a golf course.

And it was Bentley, Maserati. It was the nicest thing. And I'm like, he grew up here? They're like, yeah, this is his home course or whatever. And if you're incredible at golf, I assume all the other mega-rich people are like i can't this kid's like our guy like you how do the whole process of going from like being talented kid at golf all the way to professional golf i assume it's much like how a quarterback gets treated but

maybe even more so like the amount of pressure and the amount of expectation but fake life almost jt i don't want to say like fake life but it had to be very difficult to remain a normal human with how fucking good you have been at golf your entire life. Am I wrong in reading that or no? I mean, maybe. I don't think it shouldn't be that hard. But then again, I think that's it. I don't know.

It's just everybody's different. It's just like some people are. And for the record, I'm literally standing in Jordan's driveway right now, and I don't see any B's just, you know, everybody's different. It's just like some people are. And for the record, I'm standing, I'm literally standing in Jordan's driveway right now and I don't see any Bentley's or you might've been mistold in that. But yeah, it's, it's just one of those things, man. Everybody, I feel like everybody's different and it's just like, I don't like, I just want to win golf tournaments. That's all I want to do. I want to win golf tournaments. I want it to be the best like golfer to ever walk the face of the earth. And I'm working as hard as I can to do that. And I mean, it's,

that's why I tell everybody that kind of say, you know, if I get asked for a picture or an autograph, they're like, Oh, that must suck. And I'm like, well, it beats the alternative. Like if I wasn't playing well, no one would care who I am or know who I am. So it's like, I'm pretty sure I would take it this way versus the other way. So I don't know. It's, it's, it definitely can get hard time to time or from time to time, just in the stuff that you're expected of or, or expectations, not only from yourself, but other people. But, um, like I said, it beats the alternative. It's just a part of it. I think you guys all got to be kind of entrepreneurial too, right? Cause you're

your own entities. You just talked about there a little bit with your brand and everything like that. Do you think golf is growing as a whole? I watch it a lot more than I did back in the day. I don't know if that's how everybody is, but it feels like golf is growing, right? You feel the same way? I do for sure. I mean, obviously would have much rather COVID had not happened, but for the sake of golf, I think it was great.

I think it got people to, you know, it was the only thing that was necessarily open, if you want to say, and people were kind of using that as an excuse and be like, wow, I actually do like golf. So I think golf benefited a lot from it. And I don't know, it's just getting a lot younger. It's getting, you know, more fun. It's like, it's, it's not like, I feel like before and past, it maybe wasn't a cool thing to do versus now. I'm still not saying it's cool for the record. I'm just saying it's cooler. No, it is.

Yeah. No, it is. Golf is very cool. I wish I had more time to do it. But it's – I don't know. It's just one of those things. It's getting there, and I think we're on a great wave right now. So, I mean, you know, just keep riding it out and hope that we can spread it and, you know, just get it as positive and keep going as much as we can.

Is there anything more the PGA can do to make it, I guess, like more appealing to younger people at times? I feel like with just a dress code and you guys with the pants and everything, sometimes I'm like, oh, this guy, there's a nice 42-year-old man playing golf and he's 25 years old. I just feel like that's what you have to wear. It makes you look older. It just makes it look

like an old stooge sport a little bit more. I watch a ton, but I know you get shorts in the practice rounds. Do you think that'll ever cross over into the competitive rounds? Do you want it? Was that a shot at Scotty just because he looks like he's older? No.

Scotty who? It's the whole sport. It's the whole sport. It's the whole sport. It's the whole sport, yeah. Oh, gosh. The dogs are running. No, it is what it is. What's the name of the dog?

You can't just make all these adjustments at once, but I think it's going to keep getting better, and I think there's definitely things that need to be, I don't want to say change completely but just you know get just inch closer and closer and get a little bit better but um yeah I mean as long as it keeps going in the right direction you know what I'm saying it can't be something where you feel like you got to completely force it and and completely change it because like you said I mean golf is growing so we're doing something right so we don't want to you know like the old saying if they broke don't fix it um hopefully that's that's the case for this got to continue to evolve a little bit i think as technology changes and everything like

that it's just it's very fascinating to me because the atmosphere at golf tournaments is vastly more mature than i think anywhere else now phoenix obviously a different thing when you go out to phoenix is it just like what you're expecting at a golf course? Because I think you've mixed it up with a fan and even kicked the fan out. They crossed the line. What do you expect from fans? And do you appreciate when it's maybe a little bit more rowdy? Or do you appreciate, you know, the more sophisticated?

Great shot there. Great shot. It's a great shot there. Yeah. It's, for the record, I haven't kicked anybody out at Phoenix. I've kicked someone out elsewhere. Okay. Noted.

I know better than to do that at Phoenix. That's a bad combination. But no, man, it's just – I feel like it's just – it's the only time where we can compare our sport to other sports. You know, it's like these tournaments that are trying to make, they make a hole like the 16th at Phoenix. Like they don't understand that there's 40,000 people or 30,000 people on 16th at Phoenix.

So when people are making noise and talking and yelling at you, like there's enough noise to where it kind of evens out. Whereas, you know, when there's a thousand people on the hole and then five drunk idiots decide to yell at you yes like that that's that's very different so phoenix is great i mean i love the golf course i love the tournament i mean you're you're always going to get your people that are over served and feel like they can say whatever but that happens in all sports like it's just what a way to describe that what a way to describe the drunks over served by themselves yeah drunks are a problem in every

sport i couldn't even imagine in like a mostly quiet sport of golf it has to be pretty frustrating i'd assume yeah it is but man it's it's it is what it is like you got to just kind of take it in and know that i mean the better you play the more people you're going to have that are going to be going against you and i try to use it as an opportunity to just maybe fuel me a little bit more or whatever it is but um you know it's kind of like i said earlier beats the alternative at least we got people more and more people out there and watching sock tan and head tan just absurd right now for is that the head tan the head tan isn't uh isn't awful sock tan's not great it's that's one of those things i think it's permanent It's just not going away.

It's just a matter of how bad is it. I'm going to have to walk this course in Tahoe. So I'm just thinking that you're walking Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Then when do you travel? Monday. I mean, and Tuesday too, usually. You go out and probably play nine holes Tuesday,

play nine or 18 Wednesday, and then, yeah, 18 Thursday through Sunday. So you're just walking every day, basically. You just walk a marathon every day. I do a lot of walking. Yeah. That's maybe the only other sport that I could be good at if there was just like a walking. Speed walking.

Hey. Oh, not power walking. Normal walking. Oh, basic-ass stride. Basic-ass walking. Kind of a jaunt. How about pace of play? I know that's not a thing for you, but I know that is a touchy subject kind of in golf.

It's slow. It definitely could get better, but, I mean, it's like if you go to a highway in Los Angeles, you get that many cars, you're going to get a traffic jam. We're getting fields that are, you know, so big that you really don't have much of a choice, but be slow and be pretty backed up. So,

you know, the, the smaller fields are better and obviously the course set up and, and how difficult it plays can change, can have an impact on it, but it's getting better. It's not getting like that much better, but yeah,

I mean, slow, you know, playing five and a half six hour rounds that's nobody likes that no that's by the way i think we enjoy watching it potentially because we could take two two hours in the middle of it and still keep up with whoever it's a it's a great map sport i know you don't get a chance to enjoy it but when you retire you're gonna love it it is incredible go ahead so uh jt i think i saw that you were playing Southern Hills yesterday, which is where the PGA is next week. Could you have stayed there and just played up until the tournament, or did you feel like going to play in the Byron Nelson

gave you a better preparation for next week? I don't know. I'm kind of going through a little phase right now of trying to figure out what works better for me in majors. I haven't played. Oh, let's brainstorm. Hey, let's brainstorm. We're going to get hard of this.

So I haven't played as well as I feel like I should have in majors in past, and I generally take the week off the week before. And I just felt like this was a – I mean, it's easy travel. It's another thing, too, and logistically and geographically where you are, like there's times where a week before might be up in Connecticut and then the U.S. Open the next week might be in San Diego. Like that doesn't really make sense. Like that's going to be tough.

But here, being in Dallas and then going to Tulsa next week, it's very close by and felt like I could go do what I did on Monday and go check it out to where the preparation next week will be a little easier. like I could go do what I did on Monday and go check it out to where the preparation next week will be a little easier. But I mean, there's nothing, there's no better preparation than actually being in that moment and being in the competitive mind frame. So I feel like it's something that, uh, that will benefit me, but I'll let you know, come Sunday next week. Yeah. How'd you make that decision? Did you have to consult with somebody? Did you talk to other players or was it just your own decision-making? You're know what i gotta change something up here yeah i mean everybody's different

it's it's a lot of guys like taking weeks off and i mean i like taking weeks off too i just think sometimes when i'm home i can over prepare as crazy as it is and i feel like i can kind of over think uh over expect out of myself because of how much i've prepared and i almost get to the point where i feel like i'm peaking before I leave. Like I worked so hard to get my game in good of shape as it can be. And then it's just not realistic to be able to sustain that for an entire week. Like it's just not, you know what I mean? So I think this is something where I can kind of play into the form that I'm

hoping to be playing in for a major championship. Hey, let's go win a major. Let's go win a fucking major, huh? Hey, let's go get another one. Hey, let's go win a major. Come on, no, boy. Hey, let's go win a fucking major, huh? Hey, let's go get another one, huh? Yeah. Hey, let's go, JT. Come on. Hey, that hole's going to be bigger than it's ever been.

Huge. Oh, my God. Golf ball's going to be big on the team. Hell, yeah. It's going to be huge. Let's go, JT. Let's go. Go ahead, Ty.

JT, I feel like you've been one of the big American guys who's really spearheaded the kind of Ryder Cup comeback because for a while there, the Euros were kind of just kicking our ass. And it's awesome to watch you play because it's very evident how jacked up and juiced up you get. How much different is it playing in a Ryder Cup than it is in like a major or just a regular tour event? It's totally different. It's totally different. It's, uh, the adrenaline. I mean, I, I've, I've said the story before the first Ryder cup I played in. Um, I hit a five wood off the first tee and Jordan and I

think we're the, I don't think we were the first match out, whatever, but I hit first. And when I hit five wood off the tee, I don't off the tee box, I don't use a tee. I just kind of put an intention in the ground. And I've, I've, I still to this day say, if I had to put the ball in the tee, I wouldn't have been able to like, my hands were shaking so bad. I wouldn't have been able to get the ball in the tee. I was, it's so nerve wracking and you have so much adrenaline that you just, you can kind of hear and feel your like heart beating in your head and your

ears. And it's just, it's to be able to, I guess, channel that and almost like calm yourself down while still being excited and pumped up. It's, it definitely took me a little bit to get used to, but man, there's, there's not many feelings like it. Yeah. It's first time you guys get to experience like team, right? Like team golf. Like, Hey, we're all in this thing together. Fuck them. Like that's the first time you really get that it's great because usually when you play bad you're totally screwed because but now you got teammates so at least if you play bad you got 11 others that can pick you up hey figure it out jordan did you see the five wood i can barely figure it out man i need you here pick me up a little bit hey how would you recommend just

hitting into a net only before a big tournament? Like for a couple months, just only hitting the ball into the net, and is that what you do to win? Do you want an honest answer or an ego-boosting answer? Well, ego boost would be cool. I'd probably hit the ball better because my confidence would be high, but we've got enough time for an honest answer. So I think maybe both. Give me both.

Let's deliver the ego boost, and then maybe reality at the end of that thing. Okay. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. You'll be able to get your feels in. You feel like you can repeat it over and over, and it's something. It would be less tiring. It's a very simple move. You're not worried about the ball flight.

You're just worried about the feel and the move. Thank you. But at the end of the day, you have no idea where the hell the ball is going, so you could be totally screwed. I don't really know what to tell you. I know where it's going. It's going right yeah going dead straight center mass you should have seen the draw i had 10 draws straight yesterday i hit my driver so much further since there's nets not right here all right man so putting how often you work your putting or is it just something you have?

Yeah, I work on putting a lot. I think it's something week to week. I mean, we play on different surfaces and different grasses all the time and speeds of greens that, you know, you take the time beginning of the week to try to get used to the speed. And so, I mean, that requires a lot of repetition, a lot of practice. But, no, yeah, you just got to – it's one those things. I guess everybody's different. I mean, for me, I like to do it a bunch to where it feels like I have to think about as less or as little as possible. Can you do this?

I can do that. Yeah. Really? You and me both. You tell me, man, that net's working. How good that net's working. Yeah, it is. You see how good that net's working? I need to get out there on the grass. Last question for you here, and I can't thank you enough. Connor, go ahead.

Yeah, JT, how do you feel about the move the needle bonus? Is that something you think that's helped, like, grow the game, or do you think that people run into the whole acting like how they think they should be or how people would like? It's a good question. I the the premise of it is good i think i mean it's hard i can't win in this in this situation because like i was in the top 10 so clearly everyone's going to think yeah obviously you think it's a good idea but at the end of the day i mean you look at in any sport there's you can cut the number to wherever you want but there's

people that generate revenue versus others the only difference is those people you know the top five revenue generators in the nba they get top five nba contracts we don't have contracts we have to go out and earn our money each week and if we don't play well we don't get that so this is an opportunity basically as close as the pga tour can get to something like that. So they use a system with five different categories to basically say, these are the 10 people that have the biggest, most positive impact on the PGA Tour, and this is how they get rewarded. So it's a complex system, and I think it was well thought out. I mean, I'm sure like anything, it's going to take some years of perfecting.

But I mean, I got three and a half million reasons to like. No, you earned it, pal. You earned those. Don't, don't act like that was a handout. You earned that thing. And I don't want to get you in trouble. I don't want anybody to ever get in trouble on this show. The show is about good vibes, but I do not know that the PGA doesn't have to pay anybody other than the winners. There's no contracts or anything like that. So all your money,

all your guaranteed money is just from your sponsors and everything like that. And then you just have to hope that you make it right. Yeah. Yeah. You've been guaranteed money is sponsors. And I mean, other than that, I mean,

we're paying, yeah, we're paying our food. We're paying our lodging. We're paying our travel, paying our caddy, everything like that. It's just the,

yeah, the, the other income we have is just based on how, how well we play that week so you make a cut does that pay like is there a certain payment schedule like forever is there how is the because i'm trying to figure out the business side of it because it has become a focal point of the conversation with pga right now so if you make a cut and then that obviously duplicates your money if you don't make the cut, you make no money that week? Yeah, zero.

Man, there's some You lose money because you have a lot of expenses to go to a tournament, right? Yes. It's like tin top, dude, when he's driving an RV around. Let's say you get 50th place in a normal tournament. How much does that usually pay?

Probably 30 grand, something like that. that yes 25 for this tournament if you don't have a good net jets deal that thing you're spending that flying there and back well not just there's a lot of other plane companies that i would like to put over as well not just net jets although net jets does have good planes okay there's many others out there that have good ones as well well good well i'm not saying no not saying... I have not had that experience, but people have said they do have good planes as well. I don't want to dive into that. But anyways,

JT, thank you so much for your time, man. I appreciate it. What do you think the chances are? I'm 35. You wished me happy birthday the other day. Thank you for that. I just turned 35. The Champions Tour. Are you guys all going to go play in that? Or are you just going to retire whenever you get older?

Because I got a $20 million thing with that guy over there that I can make top 50 in a Champions Tour event someday. But if you all are just going to do that after the PGA, that kind of fucks me a little bit. So you guys are not going to do the Champions Tour, right? That's not something everybody does? Not everybody does it, but I really don't see

if you don't keep, continue to hit into a net for 20 years while you couldn't play in the Champions Tour. That's all you needed to know. Bang! Good luck this weekend. That's all you needed.

Hey, good luck next weekend too. You're the man. We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you for having me on. Appreciate it. Ladies and gentlemen, Justin Thomas. Roll Tide!

Roll Tide! Roll Tide! As you get older, testosterone production begins to naturally decrease in your body. Oh, no. Yeah, this is for the men. Shit. This is for the men.

Hell yeah. Now you're a man. But not as much as you used to be. Once were, you were about to say? Yeah, I was going to say. That would be much more educated. Well, that's just Toby Keith. I just think of Toby Keith on the brain. I ain't as good

as I once was. But I'm as good once as I ever was. That is a banger. Oh, yeah. I don't have as much teeth. By the way, I'm banking on that for the halftime field goal thing. Ah, okay. Just one time. I don't think as much by the way i'm banking on that for the uh half time field goal thing ah oh okay one time i don't think i can train for it because i think my knee will actually blow up if i

was to train for it so it's like what did you say 30 yards 35 yards that should i was gonna say you can do that i've been making that i mean i didn't kick at a young enough age but i would assume 10 year old me could could have made a 35-yard field goal. Now, with that being said, a lot more power. Don't know where it's going. A lot of miles on those knees. A lot of miles on those knees. The roof closed.

Is it a one-for-one thing? Yeah, he said, no failures, brother. Swing hard. I think so, yeah. I'm fucking going for it, yeah. They better close that fucking roof and the window. What if he fucking roof and the window. What if he fucking puts down the window as I walk out onto the field?

One, the bang, because it makes a big sound when they open the roof and put the window. Bang, bang. That's literally the sound as it's opening. He fucking opens the roof and the window. Three million dollars, brother. I got to fucking earn this. He's on his uh plane oh this morning cutting promos about awaken and open your eyes stop sleepwalking through life what a fucking legend that guy he's only 737 that plane is incredible huge incredible anyways your testosterone

is going down you can stop it from doing so i'll read that later much better i think jim mercy's the man welcome back to the show. Shout out to Roman, by the way. Get roman.com forward slash Pat. Once you turn like 30, most men, testosterone production declines roughly 1% per year. That's not good. Whoa. Yeah. So quick math.

You live to your 130. You're going to have zero testosterone, right? Yeah. Jeez. That's not good. It's not good. Not good. 130 is going to be tough. it's not good 130 is going to be tough but you could what's that 130 is going to be tough nah there was that nun in france 114 or something

yeah but she never had tea you know we all got tea because we're men it's a man problem yeah but i'm just saying she was able she'd be covered she'd be covered she did. That was early, wasn't it? Remember when that happened? Oh, yeah. Congrats to her. She's still doing it? She's a dog. She is a dog. That nun. Chris Mathogris says not next. Oh, yeah.

He's on vacation. Oh, where is he? Everybody says he's on vacation. I wonder why. There is no horse that isn't already beaten. Oh, yeah. They're all very dead. When's the next actual horse race, like the Preakness or whatever?

Who cares? Yeah. I want to know when the Breeders' Cup is. That's the fucking Super Bowl. That's in the fall. The Kentucky Derby's College Football National Championship. Yes. Breeders' Cup is the Super Bowl.

We need to start talking more about the Breeders' Cup. It's not, though. Preakness is in 20 days. That's what he said. That's what TVG Mike said. I mean, it is, but why does the Derby have all of this? Why do people care about the Derby? We don't know.

We're starting to wonder that. We just learned this, and we are wondering the same thing. It's because of Breeders' Cup is during football season. Well, and the Kentucky Derby is kind of like the Rose Bowl. It's like, oh, this is very historical. Yes. You know what I mean? Pageantry.

Pageantry. You know the Rose Bowl, AJ? You know the Rose Bowl, right? Yeah, I never played in it, but I know what it is. Oh, man. How come? I don't know. That was like Ohio State's bowl game there for like—

Yeah. He should have said, because I played in a national championship. That's what it was. No big deal. But that could have been a national championship back in the day. I thought the one— That's how they literally—that's how they used to do it. They used to just pass that shit around to BCS things.

That was wild times. I played in—I was out in Tempe by the Coyotes' new arena. Oh, yeah. Which, by the way, definitely going to happen. Well, the ASU won the pit. That's going to happen. Yeah, I don't know if a new arena is happening out there. They're still trying to find the best piece of property to hopefully buy

to where we hopefully start construction within the next 18 to 26 months. Yeah, two to three years, at least four years maybe in this, five years maybe in this call. That team's going to be on the move. Yeah, they're going to ax that team. How can you not afford rent, but you can afford it? What about like Portland? Isn't Portland like a good city that should get an NHL team? They just got Seattle.

It's pretty close. Fuck it. Just send them up to Manitoba. What about Indianapolis? They want to stay in Arizona because of the TV market. They should go back to Quebec, the Nordiques. They should come to Indy. No, they should go back to Hartford, really.

Oh, the Whalers. The Whalers. They wouldn't stand a chance against the Indies. An Indianapolis NHL team would do well, I think. I believe this time would enjoy hockey. If it was good. If it was good, I think they would do. Now, just like anything, if you lose, it's going to be tough to get a fan base.

Columbus, especially when the Blue Jackets are winning, people are juiced. I had no idea where hockey fans were. They enjoy it. They go a lot. They did not win a lot at first. It took them a while. But, yeah, they've got a passionate fan base now. Yeah, Blue Jackets still kind of stink.

They're like in a rebuild mode, I heard now. Wow. For how long? I'm not going to offend me. Is RJ Onberger playing or not? If RJ Onberger ain't playing, then they ain't worth it. No fucking torts, coach. Nope.

Nope, they're dead. Hey, is torts on TV? Yeah, he's on ESPN. Does he? Like, I haven't seen any clips. So he's not doing his normal stuff or what? No, he doesn't say fuck all the time on ESPN. He was on last night.

Zito. I don't know. I don't on ESPN. He was on last night. Zito. I don't know what you guys are talking about right now. Zito just had a conversation in my ear. He was talking about torts, I believe. Zito just said, off subject, don't want to go backwards, but they've been playing that baseball game since 1909. Crazy. Bingo.

That's crazy. 1909. It's like tradition. Like no other. Like the Rose Bowl. And the Kentucky Derby. And the Kentucky Derby. Okay.

Awesome. This is amazing. I take back every bad word I said about it. You know? Keep doing it. It's a great event. Keep doing it. Keep wasting time.

You know, renting out arenas, stadiums, playing a little baseball, setting your swords aside, bringing out the bats. Need to blow off steam. Do they ever agree on anything, though? Like, I don't know the politics world enough, but God damn, does anything ever happen? You don't always have to hate everybody. Maybe that's where they get the bills done.

But if they're trying to blow off steam, let's fuck this shit. What was that, AJ? AJ, that was to everybody doesn't have to hate everybody? That's a lot of toxicity. I think it's hard. Once people choose sides, if you do anything that's not 100% on board with your side, aren't you hated if you go against it? Well, gone.

Yeah, I was going to say. History shows. Critical suicide, then. That politics road, I'm happy that I'm nowhere near it. One day, though, I'll have to learn about it. Hell yeah. Will you? Well, we're already pretty well versed now.

Well, I think I'm getting in the champion store first. So I got that on the mind for the next 20 years or so. Go to law school after that? Yeah, try to get a PhD. Read a book. Yeah, sure. You're like the kid, the young kid who talks a lot and is annoying, and his parents say, oh, he's going to be a lawyer.

He's so good at arguing. He's definitely going to be a lawyer. By the way, I thought I was going to be a lawyer. Remember, I'm the first dude in the history of, like, WVU football to request a tour of law school. Of the law school. Got a tour? Dean actually told us.

You're the first person that requests this. You would not be able to do this with your football schedule. But I'll give you a tour. Sweet. Sounds good. Thank you, man. I enjoy the law thing. That seems like a blast.

If you're in the right... There's so many... Being a trial attorney, you mean? Oh, that'd be a blast. Most lawyers lawyers don't go to trial that's the thing like if you were like depp or amber heard's lawyer that'd be pretty fucking sweet how much fun i mean yeah that'd be a blast it's a lot of pressure though i feel like right yeah especially if they're but you have a great you'd have a great closing argument but don't you have to be a lawyer to be in the politics i feel like you have to be aren't they all lawyers was bush a lawyer to be in the politics? I feel like you have to be. Aren't they all lawyers? A lot of them are. Was Bush a lawyer? I feel like

all of them are lawyers. Certainly House, but no, a lot of them are just big jackasses. No! Political science, man. Obama, yeah, like Obama and his wife are both lawyers. Whoa. Yeah, and I think everybody goes like Harvard and all that shit, right? I believe for sure. It's obviously a plus, but not needed, right? I think needed.

I mean, Joe went to Delaware. He was like a Kappa Zeta Theta or something. Trump, not a lawyer, I don't think, was he? No. Just think they did. I mean, Joe went to Delaware. He was like a Kappa Zeta Theta or something. Trump not a lawyer, I don't think, was he? Just loves real estate. Delaware. He was in Flacco's frat. What was that crossbones thing at Yale? Oh, yeah. Produced like a couple of presidents

and all that stuff. Skull and bones. Hey, this succession show is fucking me up. What season? I'm in the second season, but it's fucking me up watching it, knowing like, oh, this is how it actually goes. Like, this is a documentary right now. Season three is wild.

I'm pumped for you to get to season three. Bruce Brown came up to me and just, I asked a question about a human on the show, and then he goes, oh, this is the actual person right here that they're talking about in there. I'm like, that is exactly the person that they're talking about right there. Then, boom, this is this, and then this is the situation. It's like yesterday in the Fox quarterly earning calls.

Like, thinking of Roman from there, and I said this earlier, but it's very, thinking of Roman just spouting out on the conference call in the quarterly earnings about signing Tom Brady to a 10-year, $375 million deal, just like, yeah, yeah, look what we did. We fucking killed it. Stocks, everything's great. Everything's great. And then them having, yeah, look what we did. We fucking killed it. Stocks, everything's great. Everything's great. And then them having to afterwards go, go fuck off. Fucking retract the statement.

We got to deny that whole thing. Like that's happening right now live. So it's pretty, it's pretty perfect. Did you do the wedding yet? It's the end of season two, I think, right? No, not there yet. Wedding gets great. Oh, yeah.

The season finales of that that of every season so far daddy's massive moment for roman in the what is it it's three seasons yeah yeah the most recent one was the third season when's the next one i might i might be able to play this into literally going right into probably probably not to like next may they they got next may they got fucked up by covid because they film in New York so much. They film, you probably noticed it, like some of those scenes was when we used to do the show from the World Trade Center. Yes. That lobby is...

I've seen them walk through the lobby. Yeah. That was the building we were in. I actually told Sam. I said, oh, that's the lobby we walked through the World Trade Center. Yeah. Oh, this is saying this was from two days ago between October and December of the show. Here we go.

It's coming right now. Let's get ago between October and December. Here we go. It's coming right now. Here we go. Wait, it'll be out or they'll film it then? To arrive. Yeah, so they're filming it right now. That's awesome. Avatar will be around.

So there'll be three seasons? Yeah, three seasons thus far. That'll be the fourth. Hopefully they'll film two at a time. Hopefully we've got two coming. And don't fucking, hey, need not, and I can't, hey, need not go back to release one episode. Oh, no, it will be. It will.

It will be. HBO don't give a fuck. They still do that. Come the fuck on. Everyone talks about it all week. This kind of killed me with winning time. That was the only one that doesn't. Stop watching. Bro, give me half.

Are we going back to that? No, we can't. Apple did that with Ted Lasso, and I fucking hate Ted Lasso now. I love Ted Lasso. People heard me talk about Ted Lasso very loudly to a lot of people. I promoted Ted Lasso very loud. I was a big fan. Love this show.

Shouldn't be as good as it is. This is unbelievable. Holy fuck. This is maybe one of the best shows I've ever seen. Then they go to season three or whatever, and it's one episode per week. It's like, get the fuck out of here, okay? Me and Ted need to spend at least two hours together. Allow me the option to watch at least three episodes of this 30-minute show.

It is easier to do a succession because it's on during football season. So, you know, it's on Sunday night. So sometimes you will just kind of get bogged down with what happens, like, throughout the week, and you end up getting two, three episodes at a time. But it'll be once a week. I might have just went on that because of what happened with ted lasso and i don't want that to continue to happen but i think it's gonna have morning show i think it's gonna be yeah oh yeah oh yeah it's coming back they are they love doing their sunday night primetime releases i can't stay with any of these shows i can't stay with

them past a few seasons i feel like but i can't stay with them if it's fucking week to week like hey this is 1999 i don't watch anything like that i see it later when i can watch them at once but still like i don't know i just lose interest in a lot of different shows that are i'm really into for a couple seasons and then i just forget about it my god i don't care wasn't binge watching like the goal of every single platform and now they're like nah let's get rid of that fuck it too quick we spend too much money we don't get enough juice out of it that's what netflix like basically created it feels like. Because HBO's been around.

They've always done it. Apple, they started doing it. Netflix is the only one. Apple going back and doing one per week is a problem. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. Don't do that. They might all just agree to try. If they all are on the same page, they could go back to that. Can you list two, three?

Yeah, I think there's a compromise. I think, honestly, two or three people would be like, okay, I can handle it. And then you can get, like, four weeks if you want or three weeks if you want. Like, just give us a couple here. Give us two at a time. When I have time to finally watch, like, let me watch, you know, because I'm going to get away from that. I'm going to watch other shit, and I've got other shit going on.

And, God damn it, guess what? You've been forgotten about. Let me watch. Yeah. Let me watch. East, and I got other shit going on. And God damn it, guess what? You've been forgotten about. Let me watch. Yeah. Let me watch. Eastbound and down. Oh, yeah.

Let the ball watch. They should make it an option where if you want to spend $100, you can get all 10 episodes right away. Oh, my God. That's a good way to upgrade. Elon's going to do that with Twitter. Interesting. You want to see every tweet?

$15. $15. Yeah. Every single person. Zito. Let's get out of here what'd he say breaking news he said breaking NFL news Nathan Peterman

just signed a one year deal with the Chicago Bears wow fair thought fair thought son of a bitch this is via the arrow Tom Palacero

who we saw on the streets of New York City a week ago on Good Morning Football, looking super cool. Had sunglasses on. The man. He has had a mobile. What is this?

Looking what? Mobile pack. Super sweet. Plugged into his brain. He threw a ball, I believe. He threw a go-round to Torrey Smith. I believe past Kyle Brander Schrager. I don't know he looks so cool

he didn't look like a Neuralink at all dropped it in a bucket in a bucket he had the ball in his hand before the segment and we were like transmitting ball is the Neuralink throwing a ball son of a bitch did he dropped it in a bucket not just a road ball

tight ass spy too the link probably did say give given the trajectory, the angle, how hard he has to throw it. Was it better than Tua's ball? All right. Tua doesn't need that. Unfortunately. Let's go back to the NeuroLink here.

Tom Pellicero. Peterman, who opened the 2018 season as the Bills starter, ahead of Josh Allen. Whoa. That's just four short years ago. Spent the last few seasons with the Raiders. Now he joins Justin Fields and Trevor Simeon in Chicago. Great backup.

This is a great backup for Justin Fields. One year, I assume that's what they're viewing this. They've got a lot of turnover happening on the coaching staff and on the roster. Justin Fields' team, let's go ahead and build around them. Let's get him a veteran that's been there, done that basically everywhere. Nate Peterman throws a very catchable ball. Now he's in Chicago. Good for him. Good for the Bears.

You pumped about it, Zito? Pumped, yeah. Like what you said, having a veteran there is really important for Justin. How's the knee? How's the knee, Zito? How's the knee? It's seen better days. Zito's in trouble right now, man. What happened? The gout creep up there? Oh, no. The gout and now the knee injury and the same leg is bad. So do you

remember when I had my cowboy boots on and when I sat on this chair, I accidentally hit this lever to drop me down and then my foot got caught in the thing? Now imagine doing that when you're not an athlete. Zito did that, I guess. His foot got caught in the chair back there and he got rolled up on basically by his own chair. Did you roll back and fall? I got Gator on basically by his own chair yeah he's in a back

did you roll back and fall I got a gator fucking tackled yeah did you fall which way did you end up falling back over here yeah he got out of there

but it got twisted up he's been did anybody see this no we saw the after effect yeah he's in favor did you get him a knee sleeve

from Walgreens I did I was using my bread farve yeah for a little bit oh copper fit good that'll help dude I tried I was like do you want for a little bit. Copper fit good. That'll help. I was like, do you want me to get a wheelchair in here? A crutch? Some crutches or something? Do you want to go to a doctor?

He said, oh, it's getting better. And then literally the next day, worse lead. Get him a walker. He could use a walker or just a cane. Anything. Literally any of these things. I have three canes. I gotta find it. Should use that. Use them at the same time. Stuff on their knee injuries stink, dude. As somebody that almost experienced it here, it is no fun at all.

That's a little side effect. Sorry, Zeke. Yeah, sorry about it, Zeke. Sorry, Zeke. So if anyone has Toradol or anything, just send it to the office right now. Yeah, you're going to need a couple of those, I think. The limp I've been seeing, it seems like it's a couple weeks. Connor went through a little knee injury.

Yeah, not fun. Had a little couple-week run went through a little knee injury. Yeah, not fun. Had a little couple week run there where he could barely move. The boys just get their knees taken out around the office. That's right. My knees hurt every day, no matter what. It's gritty. Me too, but not because of the office.

Yours is because of the office? What happened? No, nothing at the office, but it's just knee pain, not fun. Not fun at all. You ball got Connor, I believe. Yeah, there was a couple times where I thought I blew out my knee. And a chair got Zito. Yeah. Careful out there.

Everybody fucking look out for their knees. You never know. All right, let's make sure we're taking care of ourselves here. Thunderdome, right around the corner. Here we go. Let's go. Right around the corner as in when? There's a countdown,

but with what you told me earlier about construction i feel like i should stop getting excited about said countdown is that what you're saying oh no if you're if you're on track you should be excited a lot of workers in there tim gi tim's up there you know watching every day monitoring the process we got a lot of workers in there people working their asses off starting to really take shape i can't wait to get in there it's gonna be fucking asses off. It's starting to really take shape. I can't wait to get in there. It's going to be fucking outrageous. Yeah. I've thought about it a couple different times, though.

Like, how it could go. I don't think... It's so awesome. Honestly, everything in there is going to be so cool. A little maybe overdone. You know, maybe don't need all the stuff that we have in there. You know, probably not going to use a lot of it. It's the Thunderdome, though.

The Thunderdome, though, is going to be packed and ready to go. I can't wait to get in there. AJ, how's the weight room looking? How's the Hawk House coming together? Zeke sent me some stuff the other night. I've been talking to some people. You've got to let me know. I need some pictures of the inside of the room.

We gave you blueprint pictures. I'm going to let you know. Stop delaying, dude. Stop delaying. I'm not delaying. I'm not delaying. You are. This is like in the inside, man, whenever I send a message out to Denzel and said, I need Stop delaying. I'm not delaying. I'm not delaying. You are. This is like in the inside, man.

Whenever I sent a message out to Denzel and said, I need four choppers, I need two pizzas, I need this. And Denzel, this guy's just delaying right now. This guy's just delaying right now. Stop delaying, okay? We gave you the fucking blueprints. The room is however you want it to be. Come on.

However you want it to be. It's going to get a lot of use. The Hawkeyes. Yeah. Yeah. Getting the Oaks. Yeah. I got a list of equipment that i would like you to sign off on

yeah he told me it's gonna be super expensive i didn't i don't know what super expensive me i don't know how much you think like a equipping like a nice size weight room cost i don't think i don't think i know but yeah it can be a lot depending on what you want in there all right i can't wait to see But yeah, it can be a lot depending on what you want in there. All right. I can't wait to see. I know you want a climber.

Yeah. Is that what we're – I think that's what Zito is talking about right now. Are you going to get us this thing or no? Are we getting this thing? Oh, yeah. Power Max 360. No, they don't make those anymore. What happened to Power Max 360? Oh, yeah.

Fucking broke them all. Okay. I got a cast on. It's right after surgery. Bro, not only that, you've got hips, back. Look at your flat back right there. You look unbelievable. No, it's for your chest.

It's for chest and hips. Well, I know. Is it really for your hips or no? No. But you have to use your whole body when you're trying to get a certain amount of reps in. Bro, how many workups? Wait, what did I do? Yeah, you fucked the, you humped the PowerMax 360.

Where'd you find that? I did not find it. I believe Zeno did. I was strapped in because I just had surgery on my wrist. Yeah, well, you were trying to put that thing... Yeah, yeah. Is that part of the rehab? You just got to have fun with it, man.

You got to keep it light. Yeah, let them know. And I think you were doing that maybe because you were utilizing your entire body for the PowerMax 360 or whatever. But there at the end, you gave a little couple extra taps there to that thing. Thank you for sending that out. What was that? Where did you find that video?

That's a Nick find. Is that a home video from the Holocaust? It was floating around Twitter one day. Somebody had it. That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. That saved you thousands and thousands of dollars. I have that in my basement now.

Really? You have the last one? You saw it. Actually, hold on. You got on that equipment. You're that in my basement now. Really? You have the last one. You saw it. Actually, hold on. You got on that equipment. You're like, this is sweet. How can I get one? And we went online with Sam instantly trying to get one.

Oh, yeah. Was that the floor model? Was that the actual model from that video that was in your basement? I don't know. My buddy who's a trainer guy had it forever. And then I took it. I got it. And then it's hard to find different ones.

I'm sure you can find one now with the reach of this program. I'm sure people have them. Is that going to be in the Hawk House? I think it has to be. You consummate this thing as a member of the Hawk House here at the end. I think we have to. How do we see the end of this?

Who put this out? Who filmed it? Well, that's a great question. You looked right at him. Look at your hair. Look at your hair. Hey, hey, hey. That's awesome, AJ.

I'm okay with that outfit. You're the best human of all time. Oh, my God. The PowerMax 360 getting real all the time. I think as I just saw it, he realized he was filming me probably. So I'm like, here, you can't use this. But I'm going to hump the machine. Yeah, give him a show.

Smart. Where was that? That was at a D1? Yeah. Jim, do you own those? You were part owner of those? I remember a lot of guys were part owners of those. Me and Braves and Bob were part of one in Columbus. It's not here anymore. We haven't been. Oh, do you own those? You were part owner of those? I remember a lot of guys were part owners of those. Me and Braves and Bob were part of one in Columbus.

It's not here anymore. We haven't been. Oh, no. Oh, no. Did you guys sell all your shares or did you run out of time? No, the building, it sold. Yeah. Made a nice little profit.

I was not a day-to-day person involved in anything. No. No. Who was? General Bob? I worked out there, though. When I was playing, I'd go work out there. It was great.

General Bob work out there every single day? That was his place? No. General Bob, you know, Bob's at Ohio State, man. He's not going there. What? He works out at the Ohio State gym? Yeah, he works out with the guys at like 5 in the morning.

COVID shut that down a little bit. I think he's back in the weight room with them. I've told you that. Bob's always worked out there. Bob Carpenter is working out with the Ohio State football team right this morning. I think he's back in there after COVID. I don't know. COVID.

He's back in there? Are you serious right now? Is he, like, in a group? From when he – no, but he's there. I mean, he had his thumbprint and fingerprints and was all over, yeah. He might even have, like, a loop. He might have a bag. In a locker?

I don't know. I think he comes in dressed, I would assume. This is fucked. Is this not an NIL problem? Yeah. The NCAA needs to investigate this. The guy that saved football, General Bob Carpenter, is working out with all the guys at Ohio State.

That has to be a recruiting liability. If you get a chance to learn from fucking General Bob Carpenter in the gym. No wonder he saved football. He was like, fuck, I can't work out with my guys if we're not doing football i need to get back in there and feel the guys yeah it's selfish yeah that's unbelievable is that he runs he'll run with him he'll do like run groups yeah is he trying to get back in the league right now or is this just for life he just loves it no he loves he loves going out and running like gassers and dominating kids at 38 years old and you know like that's bob so ryan day right has to have this conversation with bob after the keys are kind of handed over from urban meyer bob's like hey me and urban had

a thing where i was able to work out every single morning with every single one of your left groups and run with them and it's kind of my thing can i still do that he had to give him the yes no problem and then he just has an open door policy to get in there every single morning. I assume. I don't know if he's in there as much anymore. But yeah, I mean, for 20 years solid, he was doing that. Still has a student ID.

That's fucking remarkable. He has a student ID. No, he's a professor. He has a professor ID. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He actually might because he's teaching. So he probably does have a buck ID.

This is not normal. I'm acting as if this isn't normal, but maybe I'm not. This is not a normal thing. This doesn't happen on a regular basis. You mean when I was playing there, there was a couple guys that would come in and work out very consistently that had played there. Really? Yeah.

That's awesome, I guess. Alumni strong. I think Bob was the longest, like the most tenured guy for sure to do that. Getting a trophy coming up? Bob will get treatment. Bob will get stem. He'll get treatment. I love this.

Yes. Yes. For real. Why not? Hero. Zeno, we got to get you in. We got to get you in one of these local gyms So we can get you in some treatment on that knee

That's unbelievable he's getting state of the art Treatment on his body As a full grown adult right now And he's doing extra workouts in his home gym Just doing pull ups This guy's the fucking best And he's a blogger and he has a morning show right every day Six to nine every morning

So he is the authority On Ohio State information around Columbus. This guy's working out with the fucking team this morning. He just goes right into the radio, and he's like, boys are buzzing this morning. Tell you what. I couldn't keep up with the mother. Hey, CJ, I think I was faster than me this morning. It was good.

Is that what's going on? Is that why Bob's show is so goddamn big, or just because he's electrifying? I mean, if you want to know anything about anyone on Ohio State's roster, Bob has seen everybody up close and personal. But I think his new – he used to be 10 to noon or 10 to 1. He switched to 6 to 9. I don't know how long ago.

I think that kind of changed his – he works out now at home before he goes into the radio at 6. I don't know if he can get into the facility. We need to get Bob back in the gym. Yeah. One of the Buckeyes, if they're not having Bob in there. That's probably why they lost to Michigan this year. B gym. Yeah. What are the Buckeyes if they're not having Bob in there? That's probably why they lost to Michigan this year. Bingo.

Yeah. You're right. Hey, one time we showed up. I don't know if this was Braves pool. Someone had like this pool event where you play pool and you're on a team and all this stuff. So a bunch of players. We all showed up.

Outdoor patio thing. This was probably three or four years ago. Bob wasn't playing. I was done playing. And I showed up with my wife. I saw Bob's life. Oh, hey, what's going on? What's's going on what's team where's bob at she goes oh he was in the five o'clock run group so he'll be here in a little bit and i was like what do you mean it was the he was with the bucks he was out there grinding with the guys at the group with a run

group he went back so he worked out in the morning and went back for the run group at night because it was like friday for those that don't know, there's different run groups for different times. You can go in the morning. You can go in the afternoon. There's always a lot of fallout that comes from either. In the morning, you don't know what you're running. So you have no idea what you're signing up for. But in the afternoon, probably a lot hotter, right?

Because it's hotter in the afternoon than it is in the early morning. So you're either rolling the dice early and getting it done with for the day, or you're waiting to hear what you're going to die with, and you go at the end. I was an afternoon guy. I need to know how often. And I was probably out pretty late the evening before. So I'm also sleeping in. Not likely I'm even going to make that workout, but I needed to know.

The fact that he is still picking run groups, and his wife is like, he's got a morning run group on Tuesday. He's an afternoon on Wednesday. Then he's got a morning run group on Tuesday. He's an afternoon on Wednesday that he's back to morning run group on Thursday. And then five o'clock run group on Friday really set off the entire week. That is amazing. How old is General Bob? He's 38. Jesus Christ.

This is amazing. He's a superhuman. Can outlift and outrun a lot of those guys in that facility dude it is so hard the workouts are so hard the running the running is what gives you nightmares that's for me at least the lifting i could lift all day long but the running i was always that was the hardest thing so hard those college workouts were so hard i assume you never know the end that's the thing too like coaches don't want to ever tell you what you're doing so the whole time you're running like i'm on i'm on the 12th rep of this full gassers we're running uh i don't know i

heard maybe we might we might be doing 22 of these coaches and giving us any info like that's another mind game you're doing the whole time yeah i can't do it i couldn't do it i had to go in the afternoon that was a wild part of the uh football culture i think it happened in soccer too a little bit like if you ask we'll add you know if you ask how much work because soccer is a big running big running thing you do but as i got older and i started getting like smarter and more in tune with my body and actually thinking about things i'm like i need i operate much better knowing how the how far the end is now people think i hold back then early and do that whole thing which goes exactly against why the strength and conditioning people don't. But the fact that Bob's still signing up to do those at the age of 38 is

fucking wild to me. He's, he's gotta be the most in shape 38 year old on earth. He's doing college fucking strength and conditioning program. Just recently. I mean, I don't know how recent, but within the last year or two,

he's posted videos running inside the Woody Hayes running hundreds with a shoot with a shoot on yeah it's awesome how is he not selected for titan games yeah oh you're right he was the titan yeah he would be so good on that too like the interview post pre post and then during oh he oh they gotta someone's gotta reach out he's fucking strapped to the vertimax look at that who doesn't these feel good he's getting up that's at the ohio that's just live footage yeah is that a lot i said it was from 2013 that one but that's what's the new gym look like can we look at the new gym we don't have to

have bobby carpenter in it i would just like to see where Bobby Carpenter goes every single – I cannot believe this. This is mind-blowing to me. I did not know this happened ever. Is this him as an adult, or is he still in the league at this point? Oh, he's – 2013. What year was this?

2013. He's in the league, right? No, he was done by then, I think. Early 30s. Is he a strength coach? Or he just got done. Is he a strength coach for the Buc league, right? No, he was done by then, I think. Early 30s. Or he just got done. Is he a strength coach for the Buckeyes ever? No. Strength liaison.

I mean, his radio show's been big here for years. I don't know how long, but man. I fucking love this guy. Wow, look at that form. Some good work there. Holy shit. All the little muscles that are being worked, you guys don't even understand.

General Bob's still keeping them tight just in case fucking something pops off in a regular everyday life of a retired football player. He is fucking ready to go right now if he had to. Does he strap up ever? In play? What do you mean? In practice? Yeah.

He did in bowl practice when you were allowed to. Now they stopped that. Yes. All right. Can we have him on the show more? Do it. Let's do it. When we send him a text, I'm sure someone's going to send him a clip or something. That's unbelievable. Perfect. I couldn't even imagine wanting to do a college

strength and conditioning program right now, but then broaching the subject with the people that I would have to talk to to get it done, and then following through for it for 20 years. It's fucking unbelievable. This is somebody that needs to be celebrated, I think. Changing regimes. Making sure.

Yeah. The general stays. Yeah. All right. We're back tomorrow. Hammer Down will be in about 15 minutes. You will have a link to go check them out live tonight at 8 p.m. Eastern time at youtube.com forward slash that's hockey talk. We have the greatest hockey show going.

Any guests tonight other than Nicky Marotto, Gumpy Skates, and Stanley Cup champion Mike Ruppert? No, just the lads. We're doing a little laugh watch along for the potential Penguins elimination of the New York Rangers. That could get intense if we're losing. I'll hop in there and yell. Give the boys motivational speech.

Fucking Ruppert thought we were losing this series, didn't he? Yeah, he did. I'd like to watch live as he has to eat his words. Hell yeah. Fucking Ruppert. Who's your team? Abs. How convenient.

Yeah. Good squad. Good squad. Good squad. Is his kin on that team? Yeah, his kin is on that team. God damn. Their goaltending will get them in the end.

They don't have a good enough goalie? They swept the fucking Minnesota Wilds. Maths. Maths. Preds were decimated coming in. What about Roman Yossi? Is Kerry Underwood's husband still there? My comrade?

They might be playing Ham's Big Dick Blues in the second round. That could be trouble for the lunch. Blues are a big team. Nobody wants to see the big teams in the playoffs. Tarasenko? Uh-uh. No, Tarasenko's got dangles. He's a ball player.

Yeah, he is. We saw a lot of Tarasenko jerseys whenever we were at that one brunch in St. Louis. Oh. So many. With the DJ booth. Wheelhouse? Wheel Oh. So many. With the DJ booth. Wheelhouse. Wheelhouse. That place.

We've been invited by the Wheelhouse folks numerous times to come back. I want to let you know we will. We love the Wheelhouse. That place is fucking awesome. We will be back. See you there. Recommend Wheelhouse Brunch in St. Louis. That's the brunch slash club, right?

Yeah, but the B's and G's were delicious. So good. So, you know what I mean? I've never wanted 20 beers more in my life why we had work today take your dad sound more like your father i will uh mr fox absolute boost back legend created a create a hell of an editor though and a good guy thank you mr fox thank you Fogg. Thank you, Mr. Fogg. Your liver is saying thanks as well.

Hell of a run. Yeah, he probably just cracked one open. 3.26. Oh, yeah. Eight hours too late. It's Bush Bavarian. Yeah, an hour and a half ago. You deserve it.

20 deep break. That guy deserves it. Yeah. Keep drinking. He actually does. All right, we're out of here. Hammer Down's next. That's Hockey Talk tonight.

Can't thank you all enough for joining us. We'll do a giveaway tomorrow. Here we go. Let's think of a cool giveaway for tomorrow, AJ. When General Bob Carpenter's on, we'll give away a workout with the Buckeyes football team. Boom. Two tickets to Michigan, Ohio State. If you wanted to do this, could you do this?

What do you mean? Open door policy at Ohio State. Any ex-player that had any sort of success post-playing for us, you can come back and work out with the boys anytime you want? That feels like a pretty good idea, actually. Yeah, whoever's been the head coach has always been real open. They want ex-players to come back, for sure. That's like Miami, right? All those guys used to go work out in Miami in the summers, in the offseason?

Yeah, Galloway would always come work out, Braves, all those guys. It's fun when they would come back. West Virginia needs this song. Come on, Neil. You need to get back here and work out there. Not me, no, no, no. They need a shit can, Neil Brown. Whoa!

Oh, my God. I'm sorry. What is that all about? I mean, West Virginia football should not be going fucking 6-6 ever. They need the shit can, Neil Brown. Hey, no offense to the guy, but... He's probably a good guy. Good guy. He's on the show, right? He's coming on the show. Yeah, he was. He's an AC. Go coach in the fucking

Sun Belt. He's number 8, I believe. He's number 8 on the list, which there wasn't a lot of guys on the list because coaching seems to be an old person's game because they got all the crew and everything, but nonetheless, Pat White, retire five immediately. Have him around. That'd be great news.

I guess he posted a photo of him with a Dolphins long sleeve on. Really? I think he's potentially doing a coaching stint with the Dolphins right now. Okay. I think. Bringing all the lads back. I think. Like coaching internships? Yeah, I think that's happening right now. I don't think. I'm not hurting you. Like coaching internships? Yeah, I think that's happening right now.

I don't know if I'm supposed to break that news or not, and I don't know if it's 100% official, but I think he is back around there. And he was coaching the last couple years. I think he's going to be a very good coach. He's kind of found that in him. Retire five at West Virginia. And you know what? If he wants to come work out, and if he's coaching, by the way,

why is he not coaching at West Virginia? Hire him. Like he's Pat White, you know? Built that stadium you guys are in right now. And that workout facility you guys have that he should be allowed to work out 5 a.m. if he wants to. That's an interesting thing. I've completely changed my entire opinion on this. I thought it was very weird

that General Bob was doing this, like almost hilarious. This is a very smart move to carry on the tradition. Hey, this is what Ohio State is. Hey, this is what West Virginia is. We should do that over West Virginia a little bit. Yeah. Make guys want to come back and be around the program.

Do a lot of guys still live in Morgantown? No, no, no, no, no, no. They'll fly in. It's like a dangerous place. They'll fly in for a workout. Pac-Man and Slim used to come back for workouts in the summer. Those were a good time. Maybe Gino.

Those weekends were always a great time. Those weekends were quite a whirlwind, whatever. Old Pac and Slim would come back. That was a great time. Where are we going? Holy shit. What time is it? This is awesome.

You guys are the best. You guys coming back next week? Probably a month from now. All right. Cool. Sounds good. I'll see you guys. I'm going to go to sleep, I guess from now. All right. Cool. Sounds good. I'll see you guys. I'm going to go to sleep, I guess, for probably two days.

Jesus. Well, those were good times. But, you know, that's why Ohio State's Ohio State, by the way. That relationship, that type of mentorship, that building. Let's get General Bob on tomorrow to talk about it. We're back. We'll see you. You all are the best people on earth.

Big giveaway tomorrow. Somebody think of it. Yeah. Already on it. That's Hockey Talk tonight. Let's have a good one. Watch out. Come on, boys.

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