The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 668 - Feel Good Friday With George Kittle, Quentin Richardson, Bobby Carpenter, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

On today’s podcast Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys talk about Greg Olsen being the new broadcaster for Super Bowl LVII, the 49er’s future, the NBA playoffs, everything else going on in the sports world, and the VeeCon event being hosted today. Joining the progrum in the first hour is All-Pro, 3x Pro Bowler, and current Tight End of the 49ers, George Kittle to talk about the growth and future of TEU, his background in the position, hopes for the 2022 season, and more (14:43-38:07). Later in hour two, Pat and AJ have on former 13-year NBA veteran, NBA All-Star Weekend Three-Point Shootout champion in 2005, and host of Knuckleheads podcast Quentin Richardson to talk about the teams and storylines in the NBA playoffs (57:50-1:19:23). Lastly Pat, AJ, and the boys chat with  former NFL Linebacker, former Ohio State Buckeye, and radio host of The Fan, General Bob Carpenter, to talk about the Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher situation and Ohio State football (1:19:25-1:51:06). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It is feel-good, Friday, May 20th, 2022, in this sports show, Chucky can break... No! Yeah! The PGA Championship shall continue. McElroy in the lead with our guy Justin Thomas hot on his heels at 4-under. McElroy's at 5-under. We'll keep everybody updated as that tournament unfolds. You know, big news at a PGA Championship, weatherman Penny DiNardo just told me

it's supposed to be a real breezy day on the track. So they actually didn't cut the greens because yesterday's greens were fucking glass. With the wind that it's supposed to be today, everybody's ball, green and red, uh-uh, blow it off. So it's supposed to be a little slower green, windier sky. Who will be able to fight through those who are good with their irons? That's who we are looking at today. Look for more cow. We'll keep everybody updated.

John Daly was on slot machines last night. I assume he hit because yesterday he played great golf. Now, in 2008, there was a registered PGA Championship round of John Daly where he smoked 21-6. Thank you, John. 12 Diet Cokes. You think so? Yep.

12 Diet Cokes, six packs of peanut M&Ms, zero ounces of water, and at least one dinner at Hooters. Now, that is not from yesterday. That is from 2008. But let's assume that John Daly, still sticking to the fundamentals of John Daly golf, hammering cigs, smoking, drinking Diet Cokes, going to Hooters, zero water. I don't need any of it and doing his thing. If John Daly ever wins another major or a tournament, the world is going to explode.

And the nutritionists and scientists and all the body guru people are going to have to answer to why john daly has been a professional golfer at the level he has been for as long as he has been while he's housing chocolate milk every single like a gallon of chocolate i think every other day smoking cigs living his life congrats to him having a great first day but now it's for the young guns mackerel and and Thomas, Zalatoris, Hodge and Kuchar, to battle it out on this glorious Friday. There's a lot of NFL TV

news that is kind of seeping into the internet that we will definitely chat about today, and we are still directly in the middle of up to something season. Oh, here we go. Preseason happened a few weeks ago when I,

and this happened with the last up to something season where I announced day up to something. Right. And it was like a five month process. Now, when we made the announcement, I think people were a little bit understanding on why it took so long because whenever you're dealing with something like that,

there is some time that you have to go and dive into the you know asterisks and clauses and all that other stuff so up to something season was very long this year i thought up to something season was coming and going then we had to put a pause on it because whoa whoa whoa i don't know if now is the right time to have this particular conversation with where you are let's reassess everything and let's dive back into it now there's a bunch of people in the pool yeah it's pretty cool pretty cool pretty cool right now it's a lot of fun there's a lot of things that are happening and you know we'll just continue to enjoy this and remember this show will always be free hell yeah

okay mostly because i as host of said show with my name on show, although I am nowhere near the reason why this show is as good as it is. The boys at the toxic table at Ty Schmidt at Boston, Connor at tone digs, all the guys in the back, all of our incredible guests that stopped by and give us majestic conversations. I mean, everybody from the white tiger to the back-to-back MVP of the NFL, sitting Congress people, all the way through billionaires. We have the incredible luck and fortune of getting to chat with the most interesting people on earth for a living.

Follow-up, there's people that do it much better than us, I assume. There are shows that are much better put together and designed and with a much more likable operation. But there is no reason for what we do every single day to ever cost money. Nobody should ever have to, you know, because I feel terrible about that. Like somebody, for instance, our members on YouTube, it's the lowest price that we could possibly make. Because I feel like, all right, are we giving them enough for their money? For us, for this show, it has to be free.

Because there's no way that I could sleep at night thinking, I think you should have to pay to watch what we do. Yeah. That's fair. It makes a lot of sense. Just yet. You need to relax. I'm just saying. Couldn't help yourself.

At some point. Couldn't help yourself we are five minutes in yeah well yeah five minutes in now after the intro after 1202 eastern standard time and this is you know a little later than i expected for the first vcon drop but i did power through your introductions maybe on purpose to make sure we didn't get that. Anyways, there's a lot going on in our world. Very thankful for everybody. The show will always be free,

so any leaks or rumors or anything that you hear that says it isn't, or if it does say that, not true. Now, what does that mean? TBD. We'll see. Still in the middle of

the season. It's a fucking busy update. Yeah, it is. There's been a lot of this going on. Hey, talk to me! Hey! Whoa, that's an awesome thing. That'd be cool. Wow, that sounds really awesome. Oh my god.

Okay, thank you. We're very lucky. We're very fortunate. And today is going to be no different. Today's show is going to be one that you should never have to pay for, but should be pretty entertaining. Hell, yeah. Mostly because George Kittle is joining us in about seven minutes. Whoa! One of the founders of Tight End University, presented by Charmin. Oh, yeah.

Great toilet paper. That is the official title of Tight End University. I'm a wet wet guy, but I do love Charmin. Charmin's awesome. Well, Tight End University, presented by Charmin, guy, but I do love Charmin. Charmin's awesome. Well, Tight End University presented by Charmin is coming up here. It's the second one. Last year there was over like 50 Tight Ends there that were working alongside each other, giving each other game and tips and, you know, not afraid to ask questions.

I believe they hammered a lot of beer too. Oh, yeah. It was at Vanderbilt. I believe it's at Vanderbilt this year. I'm not sure if it was at Vanderbilt or Lipscomb Academy last year. But I'm very, very pumped to talk to George Kittle because the San Francisco 49ers have a lot of conversation around them right now. Tight End University is incredible.

One of their tight ends, one of the founders of Tight End University, just got bumped up to the number one Fox commentator. Hey! Let's go! Way to go, Greg Olson. Obviously, that's also great for the tight end position, but also NFL fans because I think all of us have got a chance to hear Greg Olson in his maiden voyage of being a color commentator last year thought he was incredible. I mean, he did it while he was playing.

He took a couple games literally during bye weeks in his career. He was a part of our retirement press conference, my retirement press conference, our piece of content. He was incredible. He's a great actor. He's very handsome. His resume is stupid, and he can call the hell piece of content. He was incredible. He's a great actor. He's very handsome. His resume is stupid and he can call the hell out of games. So until Tom Brady decides to hang up the cleats and go right into the booth, making 37 and a half million a year. Jesus.

Atta baby Tom. Hell yeah. Greg Olson will hold down the seat and a lot of people will think, oh, it's a little bit of a shot at Greg Olson. Greg Olson gets to call the fucking Super Bowl. Yeah. So what Greg Olson is Greg Olson gets to call the fucking Super Bowl. So, what Greg Olson is about to put on tape all next year with a lot of great games. Now, Fox always has the NFC's games, basically. Road games in the afternoon there, 4 o'clock or whatever.

Next year, that'll be vastly different. Next year, I guess, every single game is up for grabs from any network. And AFC is normally with the CBS. NBC is, or the NFC is normally with the CBS NBC's are the NFC is normally with Fox that's why whenever Joe and Troy talk to each other publicly they're always like wait until you get a chance to experience Tom Brady and on Fox and in the NFC is what Jim told Joe on the Manning cast I

believe because Tom was just making his move to the NFC for the first time so it's like a it's a fascinating thing that it's all up for grabs next year. And I honestly believe all signs, especially with the roast after this upcoming season for Tom Brady, they're doing the, hey, every game is up for grabs. I think that's because Tom Brady is going to be in the booth and they would like Tom Brady to call a Patriots game or an AFC game as opposed to just Fox always calling NFC games and very rarely AFC

games so I think there's a lot of things happening because Tom Brady is expected to be in the booth after this upcoming season but Greg Olson is a gift to the NFL fans he's much better than a lot of the people out there and he's probably auditioning for a job the entire year somewhere else and there's a lot of people that are about to get in the NFL business yeah and like he has the resume I feel like a lot of times there's not always the analysts who have the resume like greg's played in the super bowl you know he was on the cam newton team that went 15 and won like he knows that side of it and also he knows kind of the downside of it where sometimes the team might look good and they don't perform that well and he played in what are you

saying i'm just saying car Carolina every year wasn't awesome. And he also bounced around to different teams. Like, he went to Seattle and played for Pete Carroll, and he played with Russell Wilson. Like, I feel like he's played with some premier players and played under some premier coaches, like Ron Rivera. Congrats to Greg Olson. Yeah, Greg! Also, congrats to Drew Brees, I think.

Maybe? This was a very interesting tweet from Andrew Marchand, who works for the New York Post, who we have respect for. Relationships started very rocky at the beginning as he took massive shots at me whenever we first got into this entire business. But I think as he's continued to watch us do our thing and as we met him, he has been much nicer and shown respect.

So I got nothing but respect for that. Okay. And he also happens to have all the information about TV stuff. He does. Feels like he knows all the people that are making the moves. He reported today, news. That was actually the first word. News.

Caps. Not breaking. No, no. Just news. News. I like that. Andrew Marchand reports, Drew Brees is a possibility for Fox Sports at the number two spot.

Possibility at Fox Sports number two spot. Possibly number two. If Brees wants to have a big NFL broadcasting career, this is probably going to be his best dash dash, maybe last dash dash, chance to do it. Fox will not break the bank for him, but the opportunity will be there. There's like 10 shots at Drew Brees. Yeah, Jesus.

Is this guy stinking calling games? I don't think I got a chance to hear him call the Notre Dame games. I thought he was incredible in the studio. His resume is unbelievable. I thought he was beloved by like all the executives, all the people at the NFL,

because he was pretty high up, I think, in the NFLPA. He was. Well, he gave himself a handsome salary. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was because of merch, obviously. What was that? This is maybe his last opportunity at a big NFL broadcast. Is this guy dead next year, or is everybody deciding,

hey, he kind of stinks, and we're giving him one more opportunity? I don't think I fully understand because calling a college game vastly different than calling an NFL game. So I did not listen or watch any of the Notre Dame games. No, I didn't. That's because you're one of the mayors up there. Correct. And I watched a lot of college football.

He was all right. If he stunk, we would know. I don't know. Well, he did the one nfl game but we kind of gave him a pass because they were honoring him at halftime so like the emotions were probably there but that was the only game i think he has i don't remember just thinking this guy's terrible though no yeah no and i think like with how again like how good he is and everything like when he's actually breaking down the football, he is pretty good. But yeah, that one game was awkward. I don't know if I buy that he was so bad in that one game

that now he's just dead to everyone else. With all these Apple or whoever coming in, Drew Brees is a big enough name where, yeah, well, they're baseball coverage. I don't know, but maybe he does call baseball. No, I'm not saying he calls baseball, but you're right like apple's picking up sports yeah people are there there's many different ways to broadcast sports these days i like we do with nfl news we always have to wonder like who is giving that information and why yeah that is clearly fox right delivering that

information to andrew marshall and that feels like it Breeze wants to have a big NFL broadcasting career, this is probably going to be his best. Maybe, hey, fuck around and find out, Drew. Maybe your last chance to do it. Fox will not break the bank for him. All right, listen, we're not paying you what we're hearing, what everybody else is doing, but the opportunity will be there. That's just really interesting because I had no idea

that this is how Drew Brees was fucking. I'll say this. I'll say this about Drew. Oh, so you're going to give us a little bit more of an honest review of his Notre Dame game? No, no. Isn't that what it sounds like? A little bit. I mean, I hope so.

You know how I feel about Drew. So if I thought he was even mediocre, I would say the guy fucking stinks. There's a lot of guys calling the NFL Who he's better than I think There's a lot of people calling the NFL That absolutely fucking stink Someone with the initials like A-A Or A-A

Adam Amin No that's play by play Arnie Anderson You guys will think about it There's no reason to do that, by the way. Yeah, Tony, come on. It's not an easy job. Archuleta's just not good at calling football games.

Oh, my God. Tony. What is this all about? Slow down. It's a feel-good Friday. I mean, our guest just joined us and my batteries are dead. There's no way I can join him. Yeah, can you just throw me some batteries?

That'd be great. I appreciate that. The rechargeables are up here. The thing about rechargeable batteries, if you don't recharge them, guess what? They're just like every other battery. Well, it's never happened before, but there's only one in the rechargeable,

and I was completely mind-blown. I didn't know. Remember the mouse died. Oh, yeah. The mouse got one. The mouse got one. Son of a bitch. So we're all, ladies and gentlemen, joining us now.. Son of a bitch. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now.

Thank you, Zito. Ladies and gentlemen, joining us now is a man who, you know, is electrifying. Oh, yeah. Not just in his place of work, the football field, but in life in general. Almost stole the show at WrestleMania with how incredible of a fan he was, how charismatic he was, how big he is, how handsome he is, how noticeable he is. Ladies and gentlemen, one of the founders of tight end university presented by Charmin. All pro, pro bowl, tight end for the San Francisco 49ers based in Santa Clara, George Kitter.

Hey, David, George. Pat, were you just describing yourself that entire time? No, no, no. I was talking about you, man. There's a couple. All the handsome, charming, steals the show. Come on. Gets messed up by Vince McMahon,

but then gets Stone Cold stunnered by the one and only Stone Cold Steve Austin. Are you kidding me? Yeah, it was a pretty cool night. I mean, you were there, though. You were there. You were. By the way, there's some moments of WrestleMania where they cut to a solo ISO cam on George Kittle. And you steal the fucking show, George.

I got a shoulder up. Let's go. You had some moments. You had some WrestleMania moments, George. You know what? I am there for you. I was waiting for you to tag me in because I think I could have helped you with that. Yeah, see, I wasn't in a proper state of mind.

It kind of came out of nowhere. That wasn't a... I'm undefeated in... Sanctioned matches. That was non-sanctioned. That was non-sanctioned. The person in the match can't sanction the match. So, hate to break the Vince and everybody.

I'm still undefeated in WrestleMania. And I was caught in a whirlwind. Maybe if I get a little... Yeah! Yeah! Maybe if I get a little bit more experience immediately upon that happening, I go, hold on, Vince. I'm going to go get George Kittle's big ass out of the crowd right here and bring you in. That's next time, George. We'll do that. Let's talk about right now, though.

Tight end university, game changer it feels like for the entire position. You guys kind of get together. The position is growing in importance. We hope it's growing in business with the modern NFL, with the new rules. This is going to be a position that's going to continue to be a staple of every offense. Now you guys go to Nashville, get hammered together, and tell war stories. That's what tight end university is?

Sure, give or take. I mean, we have some fun, but it's work first. We show up. We're at Vanderbilt University this year. Our goal is to have about 80 tight ends. We had 50 last year. Just kind of grow it a little bit. We're going to hang out.

The cool thing really is this year we've got some legends coming back. So we've got Dallas Clark tied in from Iowa. Hell, yeah. Ended with the Ravens. He's coming down with his kids to teach a little route running and stuff. Maybe teach me how to catch without gloves on with just tape absolute savage he's got banana fingers though those things are i mean unbelievable yeah he's a monster and then we got um we got tony g tony gonzalez is going to come down for a day you know he has a little bit of a family vacation but he's making an app to

come see us for a little bit and then uh you know know, Mr. Kelsey is working on Antonio Gates right now. So hopefully we have three prominent legends going to come down and talk ball with us. So what is this all about? Is it because the tight end position is so isolated? Because on a team there's like, what, three of you guys, four of you guys, kind of a smaller position group. Offensive line, more people.

Wide receiver, more people. Even running backs, more. Tight end is kind of a smaller group. Is this just like to try to learn more quicker, to try to get other tips, or just bring the tight end community together, you think? It's kind of like expanding the brotherhood, honestly. I want every tight end on every team to know each other. If you come down and you don't learn a single thing from Dallas Clark

and Tony Gonzalez, at the end of the day, I just hope that you've met a lot of tight ends that have similar interests in you and you make new friends. You're part of this brotherhood that's league-wide because it's an isolated position. You're lucky if you get two tight ends on the field at a time. There's a couple offense that do it a lot. But most are just one guy out there.

But there's more to it than just, hey, like Travis Kelsey is the tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs. But there's two tight ends below him that are good tight ends and do a lot of special teams work. And they work their asses off every single day. So we're just trying to bring all these guys together, get them to know each other, and have some fun. So it's all NFL guys, college guys?

Will you open it up to high schoolers for a day or two? What's the future look like, you think? We're working on it. I think a possibility this year, I think we're bringing in a couple college tight ends the first day to do some work with me, Travis, and Greg at my place out in Nashville. And it's going to be like, you just got a scholarship from Levi's to go to tight end university.

So that's, that's what we're taking. So we're, we're diving in just a little bit, just a little bit. This is good. Hopefully it's going to continue to grow. And then,

you know, at some point we'll get high school kids. Like the overall dream is at some point, five, 10 years down the line, we'd go from high school kids who have retired Hall of Famers, and you're going to mix them all together, and everyone's learning from each other.

So then the tight end position, which isn't coached very well in high school, maybe some colleges do it well, but so that they have more things to learn from, from guys that have done it at a high level, and they can take that back to high school and become better tight ends throughout college. It'll be good for the entire sport, because the tight end position has become so damn important.

There's not a lot of good coaching. That's kind of an interesting thing because the tight end position in the past vastly different than what it is now. Is that why you think coaching is a little bit behind? I think it is. I just don't think it's a position that people care about in high school. You know, like you throw the tall, lanky kid that is too big to play wide receiver, not big enough to play off the line, and you just put him there.

And the coach would be someone's dad that's just hanging out and he goes, hey, I watched highlights yesterday. You just got to really run through that guy's face. Maybe we can give them some better coaching. Maybe Greg Olsen can show them how to run a better route. Maybe I can help him develop that mentality of trying to kill the guy across

from you. I would assume you guys could probably help out a little bit more. Dallas Clark did a lot of coaching whenever he was at the Colts. He was basically the coach of the room. I assume he is very excited and thankful to get back out there and give back to the community. Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates,

Dallas Clark. This is at Vanderbilt? Yeah, it's at Vanderbilt University. Man, Charmin had to be pumped to get involved. Who's all going to be there? Every tight end and the legends of the past. Man, Charmin had to be pumped to get involved. Who's all going to be there? Every tight end and the legends of the past. We're 100. Shout out Charmin. How'd they get in?

What is this? What is like Charmin and Levi's? Obviously, they're giving scholarships. Hear me out. So you got Charmin. Charmin loves tight ends, and it definitely protects your backside. Oh. I get it.

That's smart. Well, you know what? Why not get some jeans for them boys? because Levi's got to cover them tight ends. Yeah, they do. Why not? And you know, why not while you're wearing those nice Levi's jeans, get a nice, cold, refreshing, crispy Bud Light? Why? Why?

Yeah, I love that. And then since we're in Nashville, might as well work with one of the best companies in Nashville, Bridgestone. Bridgestone Arena. Why not? Why not? If we're in Nashville, might as well work with one of the best companies in Nashville, Bridgestone. Bridgestone Arena. Why not? Why not? We've got great sponsors bringing all these tight ends, taking care of us, allowing us to do this. At the end of the day, they donate a ton of money to us so we can do all this stuff with the tight ends.

And then at the end of the day, we take all the remaining money and we donate it right back to Nashville. The Boys and Girls Club get a bunch and other charities throughout Nashville get a ton of money. And then next year we just do the whole thing again. How'd Nashville become home for you? Did you always want to move there? Always want to live there? Because that city is fucking awesome and it feels like everybody is moving there right now. It's a blast, Pat. Come on down. I'll treat you to a good time. No, I was sitting

after my rookie season, I was sitting in Iowa with my parents' house. It's January. It's negative 20 degrees. Hell yeah. And I'm like, what the hell am I doing here? I was like, I was sitting in Iowa with my parents. It's January. It's negative 20 degrees. And I'm like, what the hell am I doing here? I was like, I'm a football player. I can live wherever I want to live. I can go to Florida. I can go to California.

Like, where would I want to go? And a teammate, Iowa teammate and Niner teammate, C.J. Bethard, he lives in Nashville. I've been there a couple times on spring break. Had a decent time. And then Trent Taylor, wide receiver, one of my best friends on the team, also lives in Nashville. He's not placed with the Beng the bingos he's like you should just come down here live in nashville two years out of an airbnb the second year rob tunyon joined me and i bought

a house and i've been there ever since now i live on a nice acreage right outside of nashville and his loving life now that is from airbnb to raw land did you build the house? No, so I got really lucky. The land that I had that I bought had a house on it. It burnt down. New couple buys it, builds a new house, moves like eight months later. Brand new house, George Kittle. How you doing? Brand new house. It was amazing. 75 acres, baby. Let's ride. How long are you

locked in with the Niners right now? I got I think three years left of my deal. You're becoming like a pillar, a staple of the San Francisco 49ers, which is obviously a program and a franchise that has a deep history.

You made a comment about Trey Lance reminding you of Josh Allen, I think, to somebody somewhere, and that ran everywhere because the Niners faithful was obviously a big fan base. The future with Jimmy and Trey, big question mark. Yourey Lance huh you love the way he plays love the way he operates how about how he handled the whole situation last I mean this is an awkward

isn't it kind of awkward situation going on over there or not at all I mean some would say it's definitely awkward I mean you trade three first round picks for a quarterback like there's writing on the wall like it is what it is. It's the NFL. It's a profession. Everyone's trying to bring in younger, better, cheaper players, and that's just the way the league is. And so there is an awkwardness to it, I guess.

But at the end of the day, we're all here on the same team, and we're trying to win the Super Bowl. So the lucky thing that we have here at the Niners is I feel like we have a fantastic culture of guys that just want to get better every day, and we love everybody in the locker room. And so, you know, Jimmy G could have, you know, he could have been a dick and said, you know, it's not my job, not my responsibility to take care of this guy and put him under my wing. You know, but instead what he did is he was a professional every single day.

He didn't complain one time. He showed up. He worked. He started. He got us to an NFC Championship game and helped Trey along the way. And so I thought Trey took a bunch of steps forward. And for Trey to become the really good quarterback of the NFL, he needs reps.

And so once this kid gets a lot of reps, just watch out. Because some of the things I've seen him do in practice kind of mind-boggled me, so I'm waiting for it. Yeah, he's considered a great athlete, right? What was the big question? He came from small school, right? Small school, maybe doesn't know defenses or can't throw or whatever. What do you think?

Because obviously Aaron waited behind Brett Favre for three years, right? And I wish, and I've said this publicly a lot, and I'm sure the Luck family doesn't like this, I wish Andrew Luck would have sat behind Peyton for one year. I wish Andrew Luck would have sat behind Peyton for one year to see how he operates in the building, how you operate with equipment managers, training, like everything like that. Trey did an opportunity to watch Jimmy G do this.

He's from the Tom Brady mentor camp or whatever. Did he make leaps? Like did you see leaps and bounds as him as a player, as an NFL guy, or is it just like a consistent growth with him and he's kind of just chill? Both. I think it's consistently gotten better. But, like, you could see like jimmy g is a professional through and through like jimmy g takes notes every single meeting he asks questions

every meeting like he's in his books and i think once trey saw that he was like oh i need to do all that and more and it's also too we have a great quarterback room we got nate sudfeld in there who's also got it he's got a nice little silly release I like him he's great for Trey too because he's just he's a people person he helps Trey with the offense and he did a great job helping him all year too so Trey has taken in my opinion big steps forward like if you compare him to last year's OTAs I think he's two different players and that's just exciting to see now if Trey Lance was the starting quarterback and if I say if because I have no idea what's going to happen yeah Yeah, not your decision. Not your decision.

Thank God it's not my decision. It's all you, Kyle. You got this. I believe in you. But all these reps. And, you know, if there's growing pains, there's growing pains. I think we have a good enough team around him from Trent Williams to Nick Bosa to Fred Warner to George Diyuk to Brent to Dee Boccia.

We have enough guys around him to help him out through those growing pains. And so if it happens, it is what it is. And, hey, you know what? If at the end of the day we have to run the ball 35 times, count me in, baby. Yeah, you love that, huh? Just fucking mauling people. Was that last season where you threw a guy and then continued to run? Or was that two seasons ago?

I don't remember. It's kind of all getting dragged. You're an absolute savage, though. Huh? It happens every season. How tall are you? How big are you? I'm 6'3 1⁄2".

What's your weight? 242. So you said they kind of put the tall, lanky kid at tight end. Did you grow late? When did you kind of come into your body? Was it at Iowa? Because Micah Hyde yesterday cut a promo about how Iowa's a cheat code for the NFL with putting on weight and getting

you prepared for everything is that where you kind of transformed do you think i mean i think i graduated high school i was six one and a half maybe six two buck a buck 80 and then by the time my senior year rolled around i was six three and five eighths combine and i weighed almost 260 pounds so yeah that kind of helped me with putting weight on and learning how to play the tight end position because i had no idea how to do it. I played free safety in high school. Hey, first team all state. No big deal. Oh, yeah.

No big deal. But I was safety. So tight end position was like mind-boggling for me when I first got there. Well, you've done a great job. I mean, I'm sure you would have been a great safety too, 6'3", 260. Oh, yeah. Lay in the woods. You would have been a fucking incredible safety.

Go ahead, Ty. Yeah, speaking of that, George, anyone who watched you at Iowa knew you were an absolute fucking dog but uh statistically you know like you everyone knows how Iowa is they don't really I mean it's not like they're airing it out like that but did you expect to produce the way you did right away in the NFL when you really didn't have that type of body of work in college I had no idea what I was doing in my rookie year in the NFL, let alone my second year. I had a great coach.

John Embry was there for me. He helped me out, like, simplify things. And, honestly, I credit a lot of my success to Garrett Selleck, who was a vet tight end, now retired, just had his first baby, actually. Hey, congrats. Congrats, man. Good tight end family. But he really helped me out, just understanding the game, slowed it down for me.

And, you know, the NFL is just a game of opportunities, man. Like there weren't a lot of guys that were, you know, going for the football. We wanted the football in 2018. We weren't a great team. Jimmy G got hurt. Our offense was kind of, you know, like what the heck is going on. And I had an opportunity, and I just kept catching the ball, and I kept running through people's faces,

and that just kind of worked for me. I mean, did I see it coming? I mean, I've always believed in myself to be a very good player, and I was like, you know what? I'm just going to keep going. I'm just going to keep going until someone stops me. And then a lot of the time, people just didn't stop me. So it was pretty fun.

Hey, your dad's a stud, too, so you've known for a long time. You're about to become a guy there. Saw your dad at WrestleMania. Looked damn good. He does look good. 63 years old. He goes on 20 mile bike rides almost every day. Just an absolute legend. Yeah, he looked good.

It was nice to meet you, man. I'm about to go try not to puke in the ring. You talked about running through people's faces and doing that whole thing and how you guys can coach the tight ends probably better than maybe they are doing at high school or college. With Shanahan, okay, how much of, you know, coaching is Shanahan doing of you? Is that more X's and O's strategy? Because everybody talks about how good his playbook is, how good his play design is. I assume he knows

he has you as a weapon though, and you're a massive piece of everything that he does. Are you a part of that, or is he just like a mastermind all by himself in there? You know what? Honestly, most of it, Kyle just comes to us on a Wednesday morning. He goes, here's our game plan. And then, like, you can just – there's, like, a couple pages right in the middle that's basically made for me. Then, like, Debo has a couple.

Like, these routes are made for him. These routes are made for IU. These play actions are made for our running backs. You know what plays are built for you. Every week it's anywhere from five plays to 15 plays, just depending on what he's feeling that week and how he feels the defense is going to guard us. Then Thursday comes

along, we do all of our third downs. There's five or six plays out of the 15 third downs we have installed. There's about for me five for Debo five for everybody else and it's just really fun to be a part of an offense like that you and Debo whenever you guys had your pre-game routine and we would say this as people that aren't fans of the Niners but watch your games obviously oh those two are saying hey today it's fucking us or nothing you know like hey this is what is because then you watch the game it would be a lot of George Kittle, a lot of Debo, obviously, everywhere,

running back, wide receiver, everything he's got going on. Have you chatted with him through this entire process? That's kind of sizzled down, and hopefully it calms down, because him and Shanahan's offense is awesome to watch, not that he wouldn't be elsewhere, but have you chatted with him through this whole thing? I actually just talked about it two days ago.

Okay, how is he, happy? Yeah, he seems like he's in a good mood. He's hanging out with his kid who he just had, and he's also a new dad. Congrats, Debo. I'm so happy for her, baby. No, I didn't want to ask. I didn't ask about his contract. We were just talking about other things, where he's training at,

and we ended up talking about sneakers for a little bit because we both are sneakerheads. So that was our entire conversation. But he seems like he's in a good place. And I think Debo knows that this team loves him. We'd love to have him here. And if he wants to play somewhere else, hey, it is what it is. It's a business. And so I wish him nothing but the best of luck if he goes somewhere else.

It'll all get figured out. I feel like that's how everything literally has to be looked at in the NFL with all the money there is now. George, a lot of money in the NFL right now. Hey. Really? George, only going this way, too, it feels like. You know, as a business. It's almost as if we should have waited to sign that CBA

and when the TV deals ended, we could get a part of those new ones. Almost. Some would say. Good news. Hey. Some would. Good news. Another eight years, another one will come.

You'll still be playing? Maybe. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, George, another one will come. You'll still be playing? Maybe. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, George, you mentioned Trent Williams. How did that play where he goes in motion and just absolutely slaughters somebody, you know, be formed? And also, was there anybody in practice that had to actually take on that block or were you guys just saying, don't worry, it'll work?

So that's actually awesome because we watched it as an offense, the play that we ran it in practice because the defense didn't know it was actually that's actually awesome because we watched it as an offense the play that we ran it in practice because the defense didn't know it was coming and the D-end that was on the side I can't remember who it was but I'm pretty sure he just turned and ran at the sideline like just ran completely out

dude Trent Williams is large Trent Williams is the best he's the best football player in the NFL I don't care you can talk to me about any other player in the NFL Trent Williams is the best football player in the NFL. I don't care. You can talk to me about any other player in the NFL. Trent Williams is the most God-gifted human being I've ever seen.

He's got literally the lower body of a wide receiver, and he's got the upper body of a silverback gorilla, and he could literally kill anybody if he wanted to. Watch him play the game. One play, he'll fake punch and just drop a guy's head on the ground, and the next play, he'll shoot through your chest and clap back at you. There's nothing that you can do against the guy. Try to pass rush him.

He played in the NFC Championship game on a high ankle sprain and played at a high level. The only way to beat Tripp Williams is if he's hurt. It's crazy. He's literally the best player in the NFL. You love it, huh? And Aaron Donald's up there, too. I'm a huge Aaron Donald fan.

He's amazing. So, Aaron, don't get mad. Also, George Kidd will be pretty fucking good at football. Yeah, you're pretty good at football. Jonathan Taylor. Matt Ryan. Oh, my God. Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan's the best football player. Can I ask you a question? Go ahead. So I'm on the Twittersphere. Yesterday, yes, two days ago, Niners fans were up in an uproar because Skip Bayless is out here talking about how Micah Parsons is better than Nick Bosa. I was just curious, what's your take on that? I'll tell you what, these guys, really good football players.

You know what I mean? Bosa, Bosa's know how to fucking get to the quarterback. That's something that Ohio State does. But when you're talking about Micah, he was the fastest guy at the Pro Bowl. That's right. Tyreek Hill, he was also at WrestleMania. I don't know if you ran into him. He's a good dude. He's fun. Great dude. And that's what

I think the future of the NFL is in good hands with those two guys really playing football at a high level. And when their careers are done, then you know what we'll do? We'll get up on our high horse and we'll judge the fuck out of both of them. Hell yeah. See, why can't we just do that all the time? Everyone wants to judge people after their

rookie season. It's absolutely incredible. Skip, I'm a Cowboys fan of him. It just makes him think weird sometimes. Well, Skip, I mean, he's been playing the same song now for years. You know what I mean? He is a maestro of burying people at all times. And I've been told from people that are close to him that those are his genuine thoughts. That's not a full

bit like that is actually how he is all the time when he says it fully believes it it's not just like a make-believe thing that's awesome geez imagine if your brain was able to think like that just as soon as something awesome happens go boom not as good as bang that's what i'm gonna say like imagine if that was and he's been doing it for 50 years, still as quick as he is, getting paid as much as he is. Something happens, not that good, fucking stinks. Let me, that's awesome. I don't know how you do it. You know what I mean, George?

I'm an optimist, I think. I think we're both optimists. I think the glass is always just overflowing, in my opinion. That's just how it is in life. Jim Irsay told me, he said, you know, if you're an optimist, they say you see the glass half full. If you're a pessimist, you see the glass half empty. I always say,

get a smaller glass, it's full. That's a great fucking line. It was a great line. A big pop out of me. I laughed so hard at it. Tom Diggs? George, kind of messed up. You guys didn't bring me... Moves! I assume he's going to be there. Kind of messed up. You guys didn't invite

Heath Miller, though. Last year, we didn't invite any rookies because we were short-handed, and I have invited him. He has not responded, so he's ghosted. Whoa! Muth says fuck you! Try to make me feel like a dick when I've invited him. No, no, no.

I said Heath Miller as a legend to come back. I'm just wearing the Muth jersey. Hey, help me out. It's the first year of Legends, man. I'm trying my best. We're dipping our toes in the water. Next year, hopefully, we have five to ten guys come back. I think Heath Miller will be a part of that because I watch all of his games, too. He's an absolute

savage. Yeah, Skip. Why are you going to be so negative on that? How about you bring that pessimist tone and get the heck out of the office? Oh! How about you bring that pessimist tone and get the heck out of the office? He's dead! Oh, my God. Someone has to be realistic.

Who's throwing you guys balls there? Oh, fun fact. I got a couple guys confirmed on that, actually. I know you guys will be most excited. I got my boy, CJ Beathard. Hell, yeah. Nick Bolland's one of my boys. But then I got a sneaky old little Trey Lance is coming to town to throw.

I think Zach Wilson is almost confirmed too. I got two young guns. Honestly, the one I'm very excited about too is Josh Allen is trying to make it work. He's got a family thing that weekend, but he's going to try to come for the first two days. So we got QBs, boys.

Hey, you guys got a camp. You got QBs. You got Charmin, Levi's, Bud Light, Bridgestone, George fucking Kittle. T-E-U is going to go on an incredible run. You created something special. You should be very proud of that. And good luck next season, pal.

Oh, hey, thank you so much, Pat. Next time you're in San that. Good luck next season, pal. Hey, thank you so much. Pat, next time you're in San Jose or Nashville for an event, man, just let me sweet chin music somebody. I got your back. Okay. Yeah, you'll just come out with me? Either one. Yeah, dude, you can sweet chin, you can punch somebody, you can throw a potato or two. Do whatever you got to do.

I really want someone to jump off a ladder and land on me through a table. That's my dream. Okay, let's keep a table. That's my dream. Okay, let's keep playing football. Let's keep playing football. All right, let's keep doing that. We don't need you doing that while you're in at least the next three years with the Niners, and who knows what the future looks like. But we appreciate the hell out of you, man.

I appreciate you guys. You guys have such a fun show to be a part of. But will you get Negative Nancy out of there, please? That's fucking you, pal. Oh, my God. Well, I have a problem with George because we were supposed to go. part of but will you get uh negative nancy out of there please that's fucking you pop oh my god well i have a problem with george hey we were supposed to go at the dme back and not just ghost me yeah i will i will but we were supposed to go see godzilla together and you fucking ghosted me so that's like did were you there do you want i have jurassic i have the new jurassic world

movie reserved june 6th if you want to come for the team. In Nashville? Or San Jose? Just fly out for it. I'll pay for your movie ticket. Way to go, Tom. Don't be such a negative prick all the time. That's how important. Ladies and gentlemen, All Pro, stud,

in life and on the field, founder of the tight end university, presented by Charmin. George Kittle. Thank you, man. in life and on the field, founder of Tight End University, presented by... Charmin. George Gato. Thank you, Ben. Yeah, George! U.S. Bank Stadium in Minnesota is hosting the first of hopefully many V-Cons where I believe people are about to transform their entire lives,

and that's what Gary Vee is all about. It hasn't worked for these two men sitting at the toxic table at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. Wish we would have sent you two to that because you two needed it more than anybody else. Maybe a little positive Panda. You too. Oh,

okay. Maybe a little positive Panda. You don't want to know what I would have done if you would have forced me to go to VCon. Yeah. Let's just say you probably never see me again. cunt. Let's just say you'll probably never see me again. That's genuine anger.

Again, no knock to Gary Vee. You do what you gotta do. But these people. Quite an angry alligator. Who would spend their weekends. God. They're learning so much. God love them. God help them.

Do worry about their future future do what makes you happy you are such a scumbag you hear me chomping a scumbaggery absolutely I'll wear it at tone digs and one half of the hammer

the Cowboys is here and joining us from Azadik in Ohio college football national champion Super Bowl champion Ryder Cup champion COVID survivor Survivor, A.J. Ha. Hey, A.J.

A.J., how you doing, man? You're glowing today. You're radiant. I just joined the show. Before you get any further, VCon lasts all weekend. Gas up the jet. Let's send Ty down. I'll cover the gas.

If you want to send him down next two days, we've got to have a camera follow him, though. All right, Bill, get that that 2.1 million dollar ticket okay we would like the entire we want the whole car wash yes we want the whole shebang okay we want the meet and greets the sweet 2.1 million dollar ticket okay how much so people are paying to get in how much is a normal ticket the cheapest one was 400 bucks we saw yeah all weekend it's like a whole weekend event though it looks like a big old thing. So I think what this is is one of those super positive retreats that people do.

Who's that guy with the- Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins does these things, right? Where people go, they learn about stuff, they connect, they network, they change their perspective. I assume this is going to be very super positive. Yeah. Yes, man. There it is.

That's where Jim Carrey went, and he transformed his whole life. Remember? He even got sucked off by his neighbor with no uh old lady really yeah sick took her teeth out and did her thing and he said yes because he had to because he committed to it at one of these conferences so yeah i think it's like a super positive conference that if you are viewing it from outside in you don't understand the environment the culture the vibe you don't really get that you're bought in but we would like Ty to be there next year if this thing's happening,

AJ. I think that is an accurate assessment. Oh, I am sure it will happen next year. Next year, it's going to probably be what? Is he going to round up the Coliseum over there in Rome? Where are we going to do it? Lucas Oil. I'd consider that. Be one thing. Lucas Oil is a real possibility. Nah.

If Gary Vee is at the Coliseum in Rome, on the sands of the Coliseum, I'll consider fucking seeing what he has to say over there. Consider? There's no consider. It sounds like the decision would be made for you. This would be one of those situations where it might change your life.

I doubt it. Because I won't put in what it was going to require to change my life anyway. Once you got there, you would though. Yeah, you would. You would get sucked in. You would feel the energy, the positivity. You would have so much fellowship.

Yeah, you'd get sucked in. It would be amazing. Sucked in to that thing. They'd suck you right in. Suck you right down. Suck. Hell yeah. Yeah.

You'd be a big suck down type. Let's go. I doubt it. I might spend $1,000 at the concession stand. I might see how many hot dogs I can suck down during his freaking. See, that's not what you need. That's one part of the problem and that's what um old binging uh barracuda yeah you know was trying to teach us this problem can't binge on too much stuff like hot dogs and everything but it is tough to view one of those from the outside

i think that's a whole experience thing that people are committing to. Like, hey, I'm going all in in here. I'm going to let loose. I'm going to do these random exercises to change my life. And that's what Gary Vee is doing. That's why I'm applauding him. Nice that he let you know up front in the name VCon. We're going to con the shit out of him. All right.

Con is in a lot of names. Okay? Pop Con. Con Man. Comic Con. Comic Con. Twitch Con. Twitch twitch con but you guys went to that one time yeah learned so much remember you guys are going to be streamers for this 100 million viewers that's right we're almost there hey 100 plus now it's only grown that's

right esports is a big deal it is oh let's talk about some sports shall we aj um george kittle said in the first hour, Trey Lance, he said he looks like a completely different football player from last OTAs to this OTAs. Getting to watch Jimmy for a year has made him better. Trey Lance actually going to tight end university in June, presented by Charmin in Nashville to throw to all the tight ends, as is Zach Wilson and Nick Mullins, C.J. Beathard,

Josh Allen, if he can make it happen. And Josh Allen. So, like, I think George Kittle has a lot of faith in Trey Lance. And this will open up a conversation about them trading three first-rounders, basically, to get up there and having the patience to sit him for a year. Nobody else would do that, right? That isn't something that would happen. Now, they had a much better team than most teams that are trading the future of their franchise for a year. Nobody else would do that, right? That isn't something that would happen. Now, they had a much better team than most teams that are trading the future of their franchise

for a quarterback, but that patience and letting them watch Jimmy G, it might pay off in leaps and bounds here for the San Francisco 49ers. AJ, why will it never happen again anywhere else, you think? Man, it has to be the perfect situation for it to happen. So I watched when Aaron Rodgers sat behind Brett Favre. So Aaron was drafted the year before before me i came in aaron sat for two more years brett was the start of my first two years in green bay and then boom aaron takes over well we knew i knew day one i walked there into lambeau and the practice field that aaron was the guy like we're gonna be okay whenever brett like decides to actually really hang it up we're fine now i don't know that they feel do they feel that way in san fran have we heard reports of that i know now i feel really really good about him right hey kiddo

does and i think kiddo feeling that way makes everybody else feel that way it calms everybody else down too i think not only the players on the team the coaches but also the fans probably okay cool we don't we shouldn't worry too much well and kiddo is inviting him out to titan university he's trying to get josh allen there and he compared Trey Lance like a Josh Allen-type player. You know what Kittle's trying to do here. This is Kittle trying to get Trey Lance and Josh Allen in the same area together. Hey, you guys want to have a couple beers together? Maybe have some conversation.

George Kittle, you know, out here pulling the strings, presented by Charmin. I'm excited. What if Trey Lance is a guy? Like, that would be great for the NFL. Obviously, we've seen Mack as a guy. We think he's going lance is a guy like that'd be great for the nfl obviously we've seen uh mac is a guy yeah we think he's gonna be a guy but you know immediately thrown into the fire joe burrow gonna be a guy is a guy immediately thrown into the fire it's like nowadays that aaron rogers situation would never take place you would think but if the trey lance situation ends up working

out and they traded more than mostly anybody in recent history, right? The Rams, I guess, maybe? Or the Washington football team? Yeah, it sounds like RG3. RG3 with the Rams? Like, they have gone all in, and they still had the patience. I hope it works out so that other people will feel okay doing it in the future and there being some precedent, you know?

But a lot of teams aren't going to draft a guy like top three top five of the quarterback position with the intention of ever sitting him like it means you don't have a guy usually but the niners had a guy in jimmy g that's what i'm saying like i think watching a veteran quarterback operate is any position not even okay i'll let you finish but you say it all the time. You wish Andrew Luck got to watch Peyton Manning just operate for a year. And I 100% agree. I think that's awesome. Not like, not even as much like, hey, why do you throw the ball here?

Why do you throw the ball here? What are you doing? More of just like, hey, how does he carry himself? When does he come in and watch film? When does he like push the guys? When does he back off? How does he handle coaches? All of that stuff, I think, that you just kind of soak in from being around the guy

for a year is the biggest part. And when and how does he say, no, we're not doing that. We're going to do this instead. Like the confidence that the quarterback should have in making like executive decisions almost, whether it's in the quarterback meeting room, offensive meeting room, team meeting, where practice, life, everything. Like, hey, get a chance because you're going to learn that.

And Andrew did. Andrew became that like year three maybe, year like, Hey, getting a chance. Cause you're going to learn that. And Andrew did. Andrew became that like three year, three, maybe year two, year three. He kind of got into it. But if that first team, which is our best team and we make it to the AFC championship that if he was the same guy, he was, I think just in behind the scenes, man leaps, huge, huge jump, I think in the way he would operate it. So I enjoy the patience that the Niners have shown. I enjoy the fact that they had the ability to do so with the team that they had, the success that they had, and Jimmy G seems like the perfect veteran quarterback to do such a thing, but it would really help out a guy. Like Matt Ryan here in a couple years, however long he wants to play.

I don't know how long he wants to play. If he wants to play two more years, he wants to play three more years, whatever the fucking case, if he makes that decision and then they go get a guy and that guy can watch Matt Ryan, who Jim Irsay has called a Navy SEAL and an astronaut and like, you know, and Reggie Wayne says it makes him almost vomit how much he reminds him of Peyton Manning. Like that is, he said, almost makes me sick to my stomach that I vomit how much

he reminds if a young guy could watch like Matt Ryan operate like when he says to an offensive coordinator when they drop his I don't I'm not I don't like this play like I don't like this play let's not fucking do it like those little things I think that it takes a little bit for everybody to get used to being that like powerful is a huge jumpstart and trey lance might have already had the perfect mentor in jimmy g yeah you have to know like sometimes like oh that's an option like i never thought about handling a situation that way like you can't even think it up like you can't even prepare for it but you it hits you in the moment like oh okay that's i i legit never looked at it that way and then you'll take that for the rest of your life honestly just little life lessons that

can be dropped in there by following around a veteran, you know? And that's why you two need to get your asses to beat. No, no. I think it's more so like a Herbert situation. Like, hey, you just throw us into the fire. We don't have to really follow anybody. Maybe we have a little training camp, and then right before the game starts, you know, somebody pokes somebody else in the lung, and then you run someone over in the first quarter,

and then you take the Chiefs to overtime on your first start. What was that, week four or week five? I thought it was early. I thought it was like week two. I will look. I think it was two. Yeah, I thought it was week two. Why am I thinking it was week four or five then?

Could be wrong. What a fucking loser. I only think that just because of the rookie of the year stats. I mean, if he came in week five and threw 33 touchdown passes, that'd be unbelievable. Where's Jimmy G going? Where's Baker going? Do we have any idea?

Jimmy G, allegedly, Matt Maioco? Yep. Sounds right. Maioco. Maioco. He said that once he is cleared to play, then I think Garoppolo will ask for his release if a trade isn't materializing. That's via Javier Vega.

Okay. So Matt Maioka, I believe he covers the Niners for NBC Sports West or something. I believe so. I believe he is somebody that covers them. He's getting the inkling that Jimmy G will get back to, because he had shoulder surgery. When was that? March? Yeah, right after the season.

March, I think he had shoulder surgery on his throwing arm that they didn't think he was going to have to have. Then he had to have, and then that's allegedly what slowed down all the trade conversation, because he still owed like $20 million next year if he's on the team. Now, if they cut him, I think it's none. They owe him nothing. I think there's no dead cat pit as well.

So the trade that everybody thought was going to take place with Jimmy G got slowed down because of the shoulder surgery. When he comes back, I guess Matt's saying, he's going to say, give me the fuck out of here, all right? I'm going to go prove myself. Who's going to pick him up? Like, who's looking for a guy right now? Carolina definitely still is.

Darnold's their starter right now. Seattle's their starter. And Geno. Geno is edging out Drew Locke right now through OTAs, allegedly via a report out of the Seattle Seahawks OTAs. Geno, obviously a veteran, has played more football than Drew Locke, NFL football? Yeah. Yeah.

Because remember he had those with the Giants. With the Jets. And the Jets. With the Jets. And the Giants. Yes. Because Eli was benched. Yep.

Wasn't that Geno that came in for the Seahawks and looked good for a while before he got hurt? Yeah. That first game he came in and went to overtime? Did it go to overtime? No. Fourth quarter he did something. They went to the overtime against the Steelers.

Yeah. Yeah. He came in the game and just absolutely. I think he played the game before that, I believe. Yeah. When Russ got hurt with his mallet finger. Yep. Which required surgery, but Taysom Hill said fucking merely a flesh wound.

He does mallet. Tape it up. Russ, you know, Russell Wilson all the way back with the Denver. That team, huh? Oh, yeah. That team could be. Denver? Yeah.

They better be. I mean, that's what we talked about all offseason when they acted like, hey, all they are is a stud quarterback away from being a Super Bowl contender. Well, now they have to prove that. Even though they weren a stud quarterback away from being a Super Bowl contender. Well, now they have to prove that. Even though they weren't saying it. They weren't the ones doing it. It was all the media and people surrounding them. It was the Broncos faithful.

Let's ride. But whenever Russell Wilson and Peyton Manning are watching film together, uh-oh, look out, everybody. Yeah, seriously. Look out, everybody. And they have weapons. They have the young running back, Javante Williams. Did Melvin Gordon go back, too?

Yes, he did. And then they got Jerry Judy, who we talked to at the Super Bowl, who's awesome. And then the only guy that really lost on offense was the tight end that they had involved with the trade and sent him to Seattle. We'll be talking to Quentin Richardson here in about four minutes about the NBA. Is there any other NFL stuff we need to hit to wrap up this week?

Anything? TV. Hey, Greg Olson, number one with Kevin Burkhardt for Fox. Yeah. So he's there all year, and then he'll be calling the Super Bowl too. Huge. This is awesome. There's people that were acting like Greg Olson would be pissed off

about the Tom Brady situation because he thought he was going to be the next number one guy at Fox. I'd assume Greg Olson understands it's Tom Brady. There's levels to be who you can afford to be. There's levels to all of this even if you're Greg Olson who's a Captain America superhero, one of the greatest titans of all time and very accomplished. This is a big audition for

everybody else too, right? I mean, this is just a massive audition for whatever next platform's coming, whatever big job opens up and Greg Olson's going to kill it, I think. I think he's going to absolutely kill it. I hope Greg's on a one-year deal with Fox, so if he does kill it, he'll be a free agent after the Super Bowl. Just get broken off.

If his agent or he, whoever did the deal, had a brain, that would definitely be what they would do. The day after the Super Bowl, I am a free agent. Oh, could you imagine sitting there and then Apple just announces that they're going to get a game or something? Yeah. Thanks, Greg. Welcome to Apple.

We're paying you $40 million a year, $30 million a year, $25 million, whatever the fuck it is, to be our head person. Drew Brees, I guess, via Andrew Marchand on the New York Post, will have a possibility of becoming the number two Fox booth. And this is probably going to be his best and maybe last chance to have a big NFL broadcasting career. Fox will not break the bank for him, but the opportunity will be there. That's via Andrew Marchand, who we have respect for in this entire thing. How many shots at Drew Brees right

here, AJ? I led the show with this almost. Jeez. First off, no pressure, Drew. Last chance. We might be able to give you the number two crew and give you a spot when you have a Hall of Fame career. Yeah, I mean, this just shows you there's not that many gigs out there to take if you want a big like network gig and i don't know man i don't know what drew what do you think he does well i think drew reads this and goes oh this is definitely from fox leak to andrew marsh on here uh listen if breeze wants to have a big nfl broadcasting career this is probably gonna be his best maybe last chance to do Is Drew going to die in the next year? Yeah, I know. Why?

Like, why is it this, like, now or never for Drew? We're just going to write him off if he doesn't make it right now. What if he fucking stinks and they write him off and then he starts a podcast like five years later in a show and it's incredible and then he does his own thing? I mean, I think he's talking about just in the current state, I guess in the current times in the next year or two. But I don't think – I thought he was good in the studio. I guess on Notre Dame games and the NFL game where he got his shit retired at halftime, which is kind of awkward, I guess. I don't remember thinking like, oh, Drew Brees is absolutely terrible

at calling games. If he's possibly the number two guy, though, with Drew Brees' resume, he's got to be pissed off about the way he is being chatted about at this moment right because we see other people that are calling NFL games and we hear the way they call games and you know I'm not saying everybody out there is terrible but there's a lot of not great you know situations out there there is a few and some very good commentators, and I think it is a skill set that you can learn and get better on. So you start out on smaller games and then you kind of grow up.

And I think I would be terrible at calling NFL games full time, so this is not me judging anybody else. I'm just telling you from a viewer's experience. Like Drew Brees has to be taking this as a chip on his shoulder. Because Drew Brees told us at the Super Bowl before he elbow-tied in the back, he said, I hear everybody saying that my arm's getting weak. And I say, give me all of it. Give me all of it.

I love it. I'll collect it or whatever. He's doing the same thing with the TV right now. Look for Drew Brees to come fucking dominate the booth next year. Well, and he also looks around. In CBS, it's a quarterback. ESPN, it's a quarterback. NBC, it's Collinsworth.

And then Greg Olson is really the only non-quarterback or established guy like Collinsworth that is the lead analyst on a network and they're probably saying you know this is his last chance to be number two because I mean unless Greg Olson wants to go somewhere else if he crushes it this year and then Brady comes in then they can just move Greg to number two and know that they have two pretty solid broadcasts for their top two games. And Drew Brees just has to sit there and figure it all out. You know, do we know anybody? You know, because next year all the games, I guess, are free agent games. The NFC normally has Fox call the games, and the AFC normally has CBS.

Next year, I guess, every game is free game for networks to pick and schedule and everything. And I think it's because Tom Brady is going to be in the booth. And they certainly want Tom Brady to talk about the AFC, especially with his, what, 18-year run or however many-year run with the New England Patriots. I'm not, like, sure of that. This might have been in the works for a long time. But certainly want to hear Tom talk about AFC games, even though he's going to Fox. So every game is a jump ball.

Ari Mirov reported from somebody else that reported from somebody else, probably. But that's a fascinating thing, too, whenever you add in. Who decides who gets what game, though? Like the big games. Probably bid on them, right? Are they bidding on? But the package is already, they already paid the money.

Are they going to bid on individual games each week? I don't know about bid, like, financial-wise. I think they probably just, like, talk about where they would slot some games if it was to be on their network. Yeah, I get it. It's weird how that's going to work. Maybe we'll get one of those media people on here next week, and we can ask them.

Yeah, that has to be because Tom and AFC. Is it like a draft each week? Like, okay, Fox, week one, you get first pick. Week two, CBS, you get first pick. Which game do you want? Just go back and forth. That'd be sweet. They'll make money off of that being a play.

Selection show. Well, how would the flexing work, though? Because what if NBC's every single week just like, well, we want that game, actually. There's so much money involved. I'm sure they have a plan in place. And somehow they're going to make more money with this, by the way. They're going to get more money from these networks to get certain games. Oh, well, we didn't expect that.

So how about an extra $2 billion? Well, that's why Monday Night Football works, because they are also Fox. ESPN is also Fox. So, like, really? No, no, no. That was debunked. Oh, it was debunked. Yeah, that was debunked.

Yeah, okay. International, I think. Only certain parts of Fox are owned by Walt Disney, who also That was debunked. Oh, it was debunked. Yeah, that was debunked. Yeah, okay. International, I think. Only certain parts of Fox are owned by Walt Disney, who also owns ESPN. Okay. Joining us now is a man who is the owner of the Knuckleheads podcast, which is an incredible podcast. A man who has become a friend of the show, which we appreciate mightily. NBA OG.

You've seen him on ESPN. You've heard him chat here. Former three-point champion. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Beast. Guy's got a stroke. Ladies and gentlemen, Q Rich, Quinn Richardson.

Yeah! What's up, man? Appreciate you guys as always. Hey, you can still shoot, huh? Yeah? Always got it? Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

Always? Like any hoop, outdoor, indoor, double rim, doesn't matter, always got it for the rest of your life, you think? I believe so, yeah. Least favorite indoor, double rim, doesn't matter, always got it for the rest of your life, you think? I believe so, yeah. Least favorite rim, double rim? Absolutely. Okay, it beats me up too. So, yeah, it beats up a three-point shooting champion.

It beats me up as well. Hey, what's going on with Steph as a shooting guy? You know, and this is the thing, Steph Curry, greatest shooter in the history of the game, has broken all the records, changed basketball, I think, fundamentally from kids all the way through the way strategy is. And I might be wrong in saying that you can tell me that. But once he starts

missing these free throws, everybody goes, oh my god, has Steph lost it? What do you think it is? Is that in between the ears? Is it because he's still on his way back? Do you think he gets out of it? How do you judge another shooter like that as a great shooter in the past? I think like anything else sometimes you just miss and I think that he's such an elite and he's like you say he's the greatest shooter of all time like if he misses anything let alone

a free throw we like oh my god like I feel like every time he shoots the ball it's gonna hit so I think it's that kind of like that that that knee-jerk reaction that it's actually Steph and he's actually missing free throws. A guy that shot like 90-plus percent for his career, probably for his life. I saw it. So it's so shocking to see him miss. I just think that's all it is. He'll come back and start hitting.

That's good news. Do you think the Mavs are going to be able to win championships with Luka in kind of the style of basketball they play right now? I think they should. I mean, right now, I mean, look at style of basketball they play right now? I think they should. I mean, right now, I mean, look at what they're accomplishing right now. Nobody expected them to be in the Western Conference Finals, and that's completely and totally on Luca's back. He's taking that team as far as they've come.

And, I mean, you know, obviously they've had some guys, you know, Jalen Brunson has played unbelievable, Spencer Dinwiddie, you know, Keebler and the Powells, Reggie Bullock. They had guys step up and play huge. But, I mean, make no mistake about it, they're not here without Luka. Whatever you think about that game, Jordan Poole, hey. I mean, Wiggins is starting to make shots now. Like, Steph had 21 points the other night,

and they won fucking by 30 or something, by 20 or whatever. That team is stacked. Is it expected for them just to win the entire thing? And has it been that way the entire season? It feels like it was pretty obvious almost at this point. I think it's kind of for me, in my opinion, it's been,

it's been up and down the whole season. I think that's been the great thing about the season that I didn't really, I still right now can't see a clear cut team. It's just out of the way going to win. I mean, I still feel like this Warriors and Mavs series is still very much a series. Obviously, with Boston and Miami being one-on-one, I think that's still up in the air.

But I think Golden State, man, they hit a situation where they had guys out and they were kind of in a bad situation where they got high picks and got a chance to retool with some young guys. And then these guys still came back. I mean, nobody expected Klay to be back and be able to play as healthy as he was. He's been and be as strong as he's been. And I mean, everybody knew what Steph and, you know, Draymond were. It's kind of like they got the band back together, but they added some youth. And Jordan Poole has been, you know, at times for this team,

he's been their best player in different games. Is Steve Kerr considered like a great coach amongst the basketball conversationalist people? I think so. In my opinion, he is. I mean, because I think everybody knows, you know, Mark Jackson set the table for him. But, I mean, he could have easily came in and screwed it up.

I mean, he needs to be given credit for that, you know, not screwing it up. And also, during that same stretch, you know, developing and getting his own, you know, his own type of system put in there and developing his own identity as a coach and things like that because all coaches that step into those situations don't always succeed like he did. So, before we move to the East, are Lil Wayne and Mark Cuban all right? Is everything okay there? Do we know?

Because Lil Wayne, the last we heard, and it was a deleted tweet, Lil Wayne told Mark Cuban, I will fucking piss in your mouth, ho. I believe is what Lil Wayne said to Mark Cuban. That was deleted. Is that because they're back on good terms Do we know anything about the inside workings of their friendship now I hope they solid That was definitely

A pretty harsh statement right there I think I saw something On the social media Saying that They talked and they were solid So I'm hoping I'm a peaceful guy. I promote peace.

So I hope everything is all good. See, I like the controversy. I like the drama. As long as I'm not in it, I like peace. But if I'm not in it and it's going to happen, I'd like to see it. Like Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban yesterday, oh, I couldn't have been more happy. I couldn't have been more. I'm like, yes, this feels real.

Lil Wayne and Mark Cuban felt real. I like the fact that they're businessmen, though. Hey, let's get past this. We don't need to be doing this. Let's get to the East here. Have you seen the conspiracy that Jimmy Butler is Michael Jordan's son? And follow up, are the Celtics, whenever they're healthy, the best team in basketball?

I haven't seen any conspiracy about Jimmy being MJ's son. Look into it. Look into it. Look into it. It's very deep. It is. They present quite a case. That's crazy.

That's a real thing. That's not a joke right there. Well, kind of. You know, it's definitely some validity on the Internet. But since I just said that, also a joke, you know. So it's kind of in the middle. You look at it, you'll enjoy it. But are the Celtics, when they're healthy, best team in basketball? I mean, that's tough to say, man,

because I feel like at different times this year, I felt like Phoenix was the best team. I mean, we see they're obviously not, you know, in the playoffs anymore. I felt like at one point Golden State was, and then there was a point where, you know, obviously Miami finished number one in the East, Boston finished number two. So, I mean, I think it's just, right now

it's a game-to-game situation, especially in this East series. I mean, you got two great teams. You know, Coach Imei Udoka is my former teammate. He obviously played in the NBA for a long time, learned under Coach Popovich, and he's done what he's done with this Boston team.

Hey, he's kind of a hard ass coach, right? And that kind of his day he came in and it wasn't necessarily working at the beginning. Cause he was much different than Steve. Is that kind of what happened? Yeah. I mean,

sometimes it takes, it takes time to, for change, you know, for, for guys to get used to, to, to a different,

you know, a different for it, a different voice, a different direction and things like that. And like you say, he made somebody who plays. So he, he's a no nonsense guy. I can see how he handles the team out there on the court and you you say, he made somebody who plays. So he's a no-nonsense guy.

I can see how he handles the team out there on the court and, you know, how he addresses them and stuff. So that could be, you know, that could take time to get used to, especially when you had a different type of freedom before that. So, I mean, when you look at the two teams, Bo is obviously, you know, one of the best coaches, if not the best coach in the NBA, and he does a great job. And then that personnel he has, I mean, this is a great, great matchup.

I mean, I feel like great matchup. I mean, I feel like if Jason Tatum, man, if he could lead the Celtics past the Heat, that's a pretty tall order. He's already knocked out KD, knocked out Giannis. If he could come out here and knock off the Heat,

man, that says a lot about the Celtics and him as a player. Hey, what does Spolster do that sets him apart down in Miami? I remember when he first got the gig years ago, people were like, oh, this video guy. He's an intern. People didn't give him a lot of respect. And then all of a sudden, that was a tough situation that he was thrust into.

I think he's handled it great. And now he has respect from everybody. What has he done? He worked his ass off. I mean, he doesn't leave he doesn't leave a stone unturned man i i play for a lot of great coaches and i played for spoke for that one year and i got to see somebody who is who is uh as intense as meticulous as as competitive and want to win i mean if he's a scrappy or whatever you want to get he he don't mind getting his hands

dirty no job is too small or too big for him to get involved in if it's going to help the team win and i mean i think that's his that's his whole mentality he's out to do everything he has to do to put the team in the chair in the best position to win and i mean you see that he he wants it and he's just he's just you know as scrappy and is is uh upbeat about it as anybody on the team he He has the same identity as the Heat coach. It makes sense that Pat Riley hired him after watching Winning Time. Pat Riley was basically like the – you know, like our errand boy. It seemed like that's what they – I mean, Winning Time,

there's going to be a lot of people questioning the validity of all of the characters and stories in there, even though it was being presented basically as a documentary. That's right. It was kind of being presented that way. But Pat Riley, i don't think anybody was expecting him to be a head coach or whatever he's kind of just like around then he gets his gig and he goes poster i do remember he got buried aj he you you said like people are saying this guy's not gonna be able to do it he was getting fucking murdered whenever lebron and everybody went down there and they won they handled it and then since he couldn't keep it together, I feel like it got even louder.

And now he's put a whole team back. Jimmy Butler, he's that guy, huh? Jimmy Butler is a guy. I mean, Chuck and Shaq got into a verbal altercation the other night over Jimmy Butler being that guy. But is that how everybody views him? And how long has he been this top-tier superstar in everybody's eyes? I mean, see, the thing about it, Pat, you play. You play, you you know at the highest

level in nfl you know like we see things differently than what the outside world see so we know before we like god like we knew jimmy butler has been this guy but until like you know they thought the bubble was an anomaly or whatever and he had the you know the different rhetoric with a couple other teams minnesota and philly And it's like when somebody finds that perfect fit that matches everything that they're about and they're not going to get, you know, outcasted for the way they are. Like the Miami Heat embrace what Jimmy Butler brings. They want that voice to say something to the next person

if you're not bringing it the right way that day. They embrace that. They don't want somebody who's going to sit back and not get up in their teammate' butt about whatever's going on. And so when Jimmy found that, it's like a match made in heaven. And now with the rest of the world, it's like I can compare it to Zach Randolph. You remember Zach Randolph was a 2010 double-double machine from the inception since he got in the NBA.

But it took all the way when he got to Memphis and he made it to the Western Conference Finals and they made that run in the playoffs and you got to see him front and center. When all the rest of the teams is out of the way, you can't talk about everybody else. You got to see him now. That's what's happening with Jimmy. You're getting to see him on front stage, front and center, and he out there balling. He's doing the same things he always do.

I mean, obviously his scoring has been up, and he even spoke of it. He's not a player that's going out there trying to score 30 or 40, but he's going to do whatever it takes to win. And everybody knows that, offensive and defensive side of the ball. Anybody that plays the game, everybody's been recognized that about Jim. So maybe you could have Jimmy tell us whether or not he's going to try to score 30 or 40 each game, though. Because some of us, you know, bet him to score 40 last night. Because Shaq and Chuck, Shaq said he can get 40 any night he wants to get 40.

And then Chuck was like, called him a fool. Defensive player of the year is coming to play. And Shaq was like, oh, he can do it if he wants to do it. I just assumed, oh, he's going to get 40. He's going to get 40. But now you're telling me he's not even thinking about that. That is tough. Where were you yesterday, T. Richard?

Where were you yesterday? T. Richard? Where were you yesterday? Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, for the M.A. Doka and also Jason Kidd, Steve Kerr, for you, do you think players kind of rather have a coach that used to play? And also, is it true that LeBron went to Pat Riley and wanted to run the team and basically said, that's not happening, Spolstra's our guy, you're not firing Spolstra? I don't know about the LeBron and the Pat Riley thing.

I wasn't there during that time, so I can't truthfully speak to that. But as far as, like, would players rather have a former player as a coach, I think it's situational. Because, I mean, I could absolutely see myself wanting to play and loving to play like when I was in with the Clippers Dennis Johnson was our assistant coach and I love DJ he was like a older brother big big vet to us and he showed us a lot of the ropes but I had great coaches man not all of them played in the league but they were they were all really really great coaches and good

people so I mean I think everything is situational and And it's hard for me to say I would rather play for, I mean, because there's some ex-players that you might play for and you might not like them. So, you know, I think that's just, you know, I think it's a situational thing. That's the same thing in the NFL, by the way. We're starting to see more ex-players coaching, which is good for the game, I think.

But not every ex-player is a good coach. Like, that is just. Is everything all right? Did something just go off is that lebron texting you was there a siren that just went off over there it's all good okay okay go ahead time kierich a lot of people were reacting to what pat bev said about chris paul uh on tv and some former players came to his defense but when you look at a guy like chris paul do you think he is he just snake bit is he just one of those guys that is probably never going to win a championship regardless of how

good he is like because it it's almost comical how he gets to the you know the precipice of going to the finals every year and then his team's just somehow choke like what why do you think that is listen the thought or the idea that chris pa Paul is somehow snake big is laughable. The man is a top 75 player. He's made close to a half a billion in NBA money. That's not talking about off the court money. He's been the president of the NBPA. He's done so much for other people.

He gives back so much money to the community and philanthropy like like if if Chris Paul doesn't win a championship that that's just he didn't win a championship. That doesn't mean that he's not one of the best point guards to ever play and he's not one of the best players to ever play. That's those are facts. The numbers everything he's done nothing a championship can't change that. Now, a championship can upgrade him and put him into that little other elite room within the top 75, but he's already at the highest you can go. And he's going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer and every other accolade.

He's going to get all of that. I mean, if he doesn't get a championship, everybody would love to, but that's not going to, you know, that's not going to change his life. It's not going to change. Like, if he wins a championship, that's not going to change his life. It's not going to change. Like, if he wins a championship, that's not going to change his lifestyle. You know what I'm saying? He's going to be considered one of the all-time greats forever. It would have been great to win a championship, though.

You walk into any meeting room, you get a Super Bowl championship ring on. Yeah. It's a little different. That is. Q, what about Jason Kidd? He's getting a lot of respect for what he's done with Dallas. Has he, like, from day one, has he always been a good coach? Do you think he's kind of grown

throughout his time as a head coach? I think, obviously, he's grown and he's gotten better, but I mean, from day one, J. Kidd, I feel like, was a great head coach. J. Kidd was one of those guys that the whole time he played, he was one of the best extensions of the coach out on the court that you could see,

as an example. And even when he went to New Jersey and coached there in Milwaukee, I felt like he did. He did a good job. I mean, I think obviously going and being an assistant coach and being out of it and learning and growing, he learned and he grew and got better. And I think right now he's done a he's done a phenomenal job with this Dallas Mavericks team. And just, you know, some of the adjustments and things he's made and the way he's put them in position. This is,

he's done a really good job coaching this team with the, with the schemes and the game plans and the way he's, his competitiveness out there coaching has been crazy. When I watched Luca and you talked about how Jimmy Butler's on the forefront of everybody's mind, there's no other teams to talk about. You have to talk about these players like it did with Randolph or whatever with Memphis. When this is really, I think a lot of people's first time seeing a lot of luca like luke the the style of play that he has is so much different it feels like

than everybody else his step back appears to be slower than somebody at the ymca his get off seems to be a pretty slow thing but it gets off every time and that splash i mean it is yeah he's six what seven or something like that do you see anything that jay kid has brought into luca's game and how much has he transformed over the years in the nba like what did i miss what is luca really became become great at that has made him the player he is now or did he show up in the nba like this no i think he showed up like this man i think just like anything else like when you every year that you did you go another year in the league you get better you learn different things you get more comfortable you you know saying you get used to the travel you get used to different things but i think as a player he showed up as a he showed up as a as a ready to

play pro he had been playing professionally for a couple of years. The physicality was even higher overseas in the league that he played at. So he was looking at it like this level of physicality is like a notch down from what I'm used to. You got to think about it. With a guy like him, he's never been this high flyer, this guy who's soaring through the air and depends on his speed, quickness, explosiveness. So he's played at this pace his whole life.

So to us, it's like, man, he's playing slow. What is he doing? Like, and I've seen him say it. Like, this is the only pace I got, fellas. Like, this is just what I'm doing. Like, everybody think I'm going in slow motion, but this is just me playing. And now when you become, when you get the opportunity to play

and to have the ball and to do, you know, try everything, God, like he's in year three, four, and now it's like, I know what I'm doing out here now. And then you get a coach like J.K. who comes in and completely empowers you and puts that confidence in you that you the guy, we going to go as far as you can take us. Like that's when the players take those next steps and start doing things that they didn't even know they could do because he out here putting on the show and i'm telling you nobody

don't want to let them do it they're not this is not something where they like oh they just people are frustrated and want to stop him and they cannot hey think about how great he's going to be when he has that full sleeve we talked about it but that's probably coming this off season i assume the full sleeves coming this offseason or next offseason. He's going to be tatted. He is going to be fucking awesome to watch. I'm very thankful that they've had a good run here, and I've actually been forced to almost see him, like you said.

He's a completely different style of basketball player, I think, than we've seen in the NBA. Is there anybody else that's played the style that he's played? Not really. Not really. Not really. I mean, I kind of liken him to a souped-up Paul Pierce, because Paul Pierce was kind of like that, where he didn't but Paul kind of had more explosiveness

to him, but he plays even more on the ground than Paul, but I mean, his ability to maneuver and manipulate the defense and the players in this game at such a pace it's crazy he that he's never hurried he's never never you know uh taken out of his own conference zone and stuff like that then he's six seven six eight so most people with position he see over he can make

passes and make different shots over those guys go ahead tone yeah gritch um talking about luca and we talked about the other day like the first first three possessions, I believe he saw Wiggins on him and then Klay and then Draymond. How much do offensive players hate when they just see a different guy on them each possession? I mean, it can be tough because especially like those guys you name, they throwing out different good defenders. It's not like you're just throwing anybody on them.

So they're getting different looks, and it's tough for you to get comfortable because I mean, you know, he's a guy that kind of plays and he feels things out and sees how it's going. So when you throw on different looks at him, it's kind of hard for him to fall into a conference on to see, you know, a steady, consistent look. So I think that was a great, you know, a great move by Steve Curry, you know,

a great coaching move about throwing different looks at him and not trying to let him get on balance with anything. Do you think the Warriors are going to win it all? It's tough for me to say that right now. I think both of these series are up in the air. I mean, if I had to be pressed, I would go with the Warriors and their experience over the youthfulness of the Mavs. experience over the, you know, the youthfulness of the Mavs.

But I wouldn't be surprised if the Mavs, if Luka go nuclear and, you know, he make it a series or he take the series. I mean, I think he's good enough to do it in this series. Man, the NBA is in a good spot, it feels like. Games are exciting. There's so much talent. What are you going to say? You got one for me?

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, Q Rich, what do, like, NBA guys think of guys think of the Chet Holmgrens, these really tall dudes who can handle? And I know there's another guy over in France who's kind of similar, who's a seven-footer, but he kind of handles like a point guard. Do you guys think that'll actually work, or do you think he's too small and skinny for the NBA? I can't speak for everybody else, man. I'm always wishing all of these guys well and hoping that it does work out the best for them. I mean, you hear the comparisons to Kevin Durant and other players like that.

I'm always looking at it. I mean, I think everything is a situation on a situational basis. I don't think, you know, it's fair to really compare somebody to whether somebody got hurt or things like that. So, I mean, I just wait and see, man, wait and see. And I wish all these young guys the best, be healthy and have good careers and go in there and make all the money they can make. And then start an incredible podcast like the Knuckleheads podcast

and continue to do it for the rest of your life. Ladies and gentlemen, absolute stud, 13-year NBA vet, Quentin Richardson. Thank you, Quentin. Yeah! Was the only person, alongside Jacob Hester, who got to speak to Nick Saban after Jimbo Fisher came in off the top rope on a press conference yesterday

morning. Nick Saban said, Texas A&M, alright, beat us in recruiting. Alright. They paid for every single recruit, every single person on their roster. Alright. And then Jimbo Fisher said, give me a fucking microphone tomorrow morning. Fuck this guy. He's got his czar. Dig up his body.

He's got dead bodies. Actual and fictitious dead bodies in his past. Yesterday, Nick Saban said, I'm only talking to one show. That show, Jacob Hester and this man, the man who saved football. Ohio State legend. Dallas Cowboy legend. Ladies and gentlemen, General Bob Carpenter.

Yeah, General! What's going on, General? Hey, man, not much. Dude, how are we doing today? We're looking good. There, we got the tank top, guns rolling in. Pat, I'm impressed with this physique and everything that's got going on and the fact that you've got my man AJ talking about suppositories.

That's usually right in his wheelhouse. See, that's why I knew we could bring you into this conversation. Pills in butt, pills in mouth, whatever it is, make sure you only need them because pills can go the wrong way both ways. But the Affinity shirt you got on, we see you working out on Instagram every day. Is that going to help me? What will Affinity do to me? What are you on right now to make you the person you are?

Oh, Coach, we could get you on probably like a little B vitamin supplement, probably a little testosterone. So when you get juiced up for SummerSlam this year, we're going to get to get those guns rolling. This is so good, man. I like this. This would be perfect. It's going to give you that little extra edge.

Pat, remember when you were like 16 years old and you could go run around all day, you know, just eat garbage drink tons of mountain dew and it didn't matter what you did yes like this is where we're going to get you back to so give you that little extra edge and you're in there grinding on the climate what do i got to do i can travel to this place so i got to call them are they going to take my blood how does this work yeah man they take your blood they run some tests you know they do some stuff like then, hey, they ship it all right to your house. You have AJ come over. He gives you the suppositories and everything's going to be good. It's all suppositories, I think. I'm out. So this is up the butt? I don't want to do that.

It's not suppository. I was just joking with that. I figured AJ would get excited, but I didn't want to tease him. excited though i didn't want to tease hey bob bob i wanted to ask i know your show is six to nine a.m i've been trying to explain to pat and the boys how you've been a loyal you know guy that works out at the ohio state weight room i know covid may have changed that a little bit are you able to go into the facility and work out anymore or what's the deal yeah i usually go in now after you know i used to go in 6 a.m pat was in there every day and there's nothing more humbling than working out with 18 to 20 year old college athletes, especially as you continue to get further

and further away. It's a little bit, I keep getting older they stay the same age because they just keep looking good and can run. They don't have the knee soreness, the hip soreness, the back soreness. So now I'm on from 6 to 9. So usually a couple days a a week, I'll slide in there, you know, just be the old dude, go and do a little executive workout, make sure I still got it. And I got to stay ready because, you know,

this summer I try to hop in with some runs on those guys. Okay. Is this normal? So AJ told me that alum did come back and work out, but you've been doing this now for how many years, like 15, 20 years. And is it just understood like, Hey, hey general bob carpenter is able to drop in on any run group he's able to drop in on any workout group and do you talk to the players like hey that's not how we fucking do it at ohio state are you a part of a group are you working out alone because this is very fascinating to me as somebody that has been a part of obviously a college workout uh program so here's the thing like we always had those dudes dropping in. It was Mike Vrabel, Joey Galloway, Andy Katzenmaier,

dudes that were just physical freaks. Joey Galloway is like 50 years old, and I'm not kidding you. I think like four years ago they had him on the clock like a 4-4-5. It's remarkable the speed that he possesses. And so I'll do that. I'll work out. I'm not going to get into lifting with the guys as much. I may slide in if I think I can maybe take a dude in the set,

but it's really all about the run. And so I've been doing this for so long, you know, little fingerprint scanner. And I guess maybe one day, Pat, when that thing doesn't work, that means,

Hey dude, you're no longer welcome here. But until that happens, until they can keep letting me, you know, slide on in there and go work out at that fine facility, I'm going to take it for all that it's worth. Absolutely, as you should.

And those workouts are terrible, though. Like, summer runs are the fucking worst. Are you still making times? Are you running with the big guys? What are you doing? Oh, no, Chris. I'm leaner now. I'm like AJ.

You lose some weight, you feel good. Like, I go run with the big skill guys, run with the linebackers. Like, that's still the area that I try to hang on to. I've always been able to run, as AJ can attest. There's a little bit of genetics that come into that. My family's runners, I guess.

Do you get checks? Are you on the clock if you're late? Are you getting extra runs? Coach, I'm never going to be last. I'll tell you that. They're going to drag me out and shoot me in the corner before I even be the last dude. That's never a possibility. AJ's laughing about it. He knows that's the one thing that I can't handle is always the runs.

Because we'd be running with Vrabel. We were back in the day. Mike Vrabel's coming back. And he wouldn't do any warm-up. He'd come in there. We're over there warming up. And he's like 32 years old at this point. We're 22 in college.

I'm like, you don't warm up? He's like, I have the first and second gas for my warm-up. He goes, do I smoke to pack of heaters this weekend? You know, drink a case of beer on Saturday night. He's like, I will smoke all you guys. And at first I thought he was joking. And then he would just dust everyone and talk mad trash while he was doing it. That became my goal.

Could I end up being a little bit like Mike Vrabel, the dude that's running with the chew-in, and in between sets, he's got his five- and seven-year-old son who now one of them plays at Boston College. He's yelling at him to quit climbing on the equipment and jumping around from deal to deal. Man, what a family Ohio State is. Have you become that guy?

Are you talking shit to these players or are you quiet? You tired? You're tired, aren't you? You're tired. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. You're tired. You can't talk as much as Vrabes used to be able to.

I'm going to tell you, I'm not Vrabes. I can't run it with a chew in my mouth. I can't run it after burning heaters. Like those things I cannot do, but I will pick and choose some spots to make sure that those guys know like, Hey, you know what, man? 38 years old. I went to, I went to seven kids games this past weekend.

My wife and I had two bottles of wine last night and I were over here. I got a bad knee, a bad back. I'm over here whooping your butt son. So like, if you think that the guys on Saturday aren't going to be able to keep up with me, you got another thing coming. So give them a little bit here and there, man, but they're good sports.

How do you feel about the team coming up? We winning the whole thing next year or what? Indy, could you tell? Last summer, I guess because COVID, you weren't able to run with the boys. That might have been the problem. That's why they lost to Michigan. Oh my God. I don't know if that was the reason. No, Bobby Carpenter went out to the boys. They lost that edge.

Yeah, you can see. This is your fault. This is your fault. Oh, my God. Terrible. Don't be going there. This guy saved football, brought it back for Michigan to beat Ohio State. Oh, my.

This is your fault. You weren't there. I would like to be able to take credit for having that great of an influence. That wasn't me. That was not me on any given day. I would like to be able to take credit for having that great of an influence. That wasn't me. That was not me on any given day. I'm not giving that much. Just a little nugget here and there to make sure the guys are amped up and ready to go. But as far

as being able to turn a whole cruise ship and win games, that ain't my deal. I'm not on that level. Then what the fuck are you there for, Bob? I thought that's why they got you out there on the field running with the guys. thought that was the purpose i told those guys i could walk off at any time i do this because i choose to because i'm probably have i'm a little bit like aj i mean being around this guy so long you become like a masochist and can torture your mind and think you

know what like it's really good to do these things even even when they feel terrible, and you know it's going to feel terrible. But you just get ready, Pat, to embrace the pain. It's the only thing that you have later in life because your skills begin to fade. You don't look as good anymore. But you know what? Running's going to hurt. That knee's going to hurt. Your back's going to ache.

So you might as well just kind of drink that thing in and really embrace it. And beat it. Beat it. That's a big thing. I don't get a lot of that anymore. Always doing that. All right. What did Nick Saban say yesterday, Bob?

I know you talked to Nick Saban. It was a big get for you guys. How was it? I didn't get to hear it. You know, it was good. He backed everything down a little bit. I mean, it was obviously, you heard how aggressive it was at Jimbo early on. And I'm on with Jacob Hester, so think

about this. Pat, who was your coach? Rich Rodriguez. Rich Rodriguez. Very similar to Nick, by the way. Oh, believe me, my D coordinator in high school and Rich were GAs together, and I used to tell my defensive coordinator he's the biggest asshole in the

world. He goes, you think I'm the biggest asshole? Wait till you take a visit to WVC. I ain't never heard more F-bombs. Oh, holy smokes. They're like the same dude. And so here's the thing. Hester was at LSU with both Jimbo and Saban. I'm like, dude, he was like the kid caught in the middle of the divorce right here.

They're going back and forth. He's got his head coach, and then he's got his offensive coordinator on the other side, and these guys are straight up throwing haymakers at each other. I want you to think about this. Nick Saban, I mean, accused him, obviously, of buying players and buying the deal. It's his recruiting class. But Jimbo Fisher's retort was to sarcastically call this guy the god of football the czar of football

everybody thinks he hung the moon and an unrelenting narcissist and then says go talk to his other assistants they'll tell you where the bodies are buried they'll tell you what went on and I'm like man I've never heard another dude there's an unwritten rule like

you stay off the top ropes, man. You don't bring the chair out of the crowd. You make sure that you keep that thing between the lines and do Jimbo through some hard ones. And I asked Nick, Mike, did you,

have you called him yet? And he's like, yeah, I have. And he never really addressed it because Jimbo's like, he's called. I ain't answered. And so there's something deep and personal there that goes way beyond any of the things that we were talking about.

Bobby, it did feel like he had a little bit of a passive, aggressive, irritated-to-be-there appeal on your show. And I think that's every interview he's ever done. It's kind of like, why am I here? He knows he has to do it for recruiting all the shit he has to do. I think he enjoys talking to Belichick. There's been some clips where he's talking like super high-end football stuff but all the other stuff it feels like he's annoyed at all times we thought we thought you should have hey bob you could have took your swing there you could have yeah bob you could have been like nick you know i'm an ohio state guy you've been at the top of the mountain for all this time

we've all assumed that you have cheated to get to where you are Jimbo alluded to you doing such a thing now you kind of sound like a hypocrite was there any thought of you doing that or were you like nah there's no reason for me to be that guy listen out of respect for Jacob who I was on with who helped get him on a former player of his I wasn't going to be that dude and be the heel in that situation. So I left it all to Jacob. It's like, all right, we'll do this. We'll keep this stuff fairly light, fairly topical, because we had this all scheduled before any of that happened. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

We didn't know. Yeah, this wasn't in response. And they called, they set up, and his SID, I don't think, wanted him to do it. And Nick, he's like, I agree to this. I'm coming on. I'm like, okay., I agree to this. I'm coming on. I'm like, okay. So I wanted to keep that thing. I didn't want to be that guy with your boy.

Like, hey, you know, you have, you know, AJ helps get Aaron on. And then all of a sudden you're asking Aaron about all kinds of nonsense and everything else. Like, hey, man, how are you going to do this to me? Why are you going to be that guy and throw that stuff? and you're texting me to ask him about the damn handshake like how's that gonna look i'm like my goodness dude he may have strangled me through the phone bob weren't you though surprised by jimbo like jimbo went after him personally like as a man i feel like and that's the thing you say don, don't bring the chair out of the crowd. Like, do you think Saban's going to have to address that? Or I would imagine that would almost hurt more than him saying, Hey, these are recruiting violations.

These are guys that they would want a national championship together. Like that's what, I mean, it's crazy. Like Jimbo was the offensive coordinator for five years and he starts, this guy thinks he's, you know, czarar of football, and everyone thinks he's a football god. Like, that's, to me, getting personal right there. And then the other element of it, dude, I talk about, like, that's some name-calling. So you get a little bit of that. And that's where it starts to sound a little personal. But then he starts talking.

You talk to all his assistants, and he'll tell you what's going on. I mean, that's where that thing got a little bit sideways. I you give jimbo a drink or two right now he might tell like a legit story that might stink this whole ship can we do we have those clips still on the on the dais on the uh he fucking went oh yeah by the way i'm like i thought saban called that to answer you guys having that pre-scheduled is vastly different than jimbo jimbo did not have a planned press conference he said give me the fucking microphone this son of a bitch needs to learn that he can't call me a cheater this is what he said for those that didn't hear all the jimbo talked about it is

i think vital for you to hear it again because of how much it is these are personal shots like this how far will this go how long has this been brewing you think from jimbo and nick like old friends like are they just waiting for an opportunity to say fuck you to each other here's one of the clips from jimbo yesterday in response to nick saving calling him a cheater basically any contact with nick since oh he's called he's called fuck good follow you just didn't take the call? Not going to. We're done. He shows you who he is. And then I just wanted to...

He's the greatest ever, huh? And then I just wanted to... When you got all the advantages? It's easy. And I just wanted to... How about that guy wanting to get that question, Bob? He had that reporter so far on his heels. He didn't ask a follow-up.

He's got all the answers. He thinks he's God. He's done it all. Run that next one. Run the God one. Here's the God one. Here's the God one, Bobby. This one's even better.

Some people think they're God. Go dig into how God did his deal. You may find out about a guy that a lot of things you don't want to know. We built him up to be the czar of football. Go dig into his past or anybody that's ever coached with him. You can find out anything you want to find out, what he does and how he does it, and it's despicable. Bob, what do you think that means?

Do you think he's calling for somebody to look into it, and do you think anybody will do that in the modern world that we're in? I think Greg Sankey was probably like like hey uh dad's coming back you guys are gonna separate everybody we're not gonna start throwing chairs like that because all this is gonna do is think these guys have both won national championships i mean and for him to sit there he thinks he's god go look at how god did it like that's basically him saying that nick has cheated his whole way through this and i wouldn't i mean i wasn't gonna try like, that's basically him saying that Nick has cheated his whole way through this. And I wouldn't, I mean, I wasn't going to try to get that person with him. And as I'm sitting

there thinking about it, like, I'm trying to think in my life, is there something that I could do to be that personal and, like, throw somebody out? And, like, my boy over there, you know, your boy, Hawk, sitting there, I mean, I love him, I love his wife, and we'd be imagine sitting there with one of your best

friends for, like like 20 years, a dude that you had worked with and respect and had success with, and you're drunk one night, and there's so much animosity that had bubbled up. You're like, hey, dude, you should start hearing about his past. I just started dumping out all these terrible stories and saying, hey, look, ask him about this one. Ask him about that one. Ask him about that night in Vegas.

Ask him about the time we dumped that dead hooker in the dumpster. Throwing that stuff out. That's basically what Nick Saban was throwing out there. What is this? Hold on. It feels like there's going to be more. Don't you guys be... I don't know if... Keep going, Bob. Keep giving him more examples.

No, but you're right. I think but the thing you're talking about is getting boozed up and doing this. Jimbo, this was woke up in the morning. Yeah. Well, think of though. What did Jimbo say last night? Think about it, Pat.

What has Jimbo said behind closed doors for years and years? If this is what he's saying publicly, I would imagine he's really let this out to other people he knows. So do you think, Bob, are we going to see other former players maybe come out and defend each side? Like, what do you think we're going to see now? Hold on. Former Florida State players said what? Alabama offered them six figures or something like that.

Really? I think that was like a tweet yesterday. But we don't know what's real and what isn't at this point, you know, with anybody. Yeah, those Jimbo guys. You have no idea. I'm just thinking about this. They have the SEC spring meetings coming up.

There's going to be a desk in Florida in two weeks. He said go ask his assistant coaches. Guys who have coached for him. Start looking at Arkansas's head coach. You start looking at Napier at Florida. Kirby Smart. I mean, Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin is the guy who I really want to

see be asked about all this. Because think about our boy Lane. He is the dude on the playground who loves to start the fight and then back on out and just sit back and eat some popcorn and watch that thing. So I'm curious, man. Greg Sankey may literally get all those guys in a room and be like, listen, dudes, we're

shutting this thing down right now. No one's going to talk about anybody's past. Nobody's going to get into how maybe you cheated, maybe you've done this, you've done that. It is over, and we're shutting this thing down. Because like you said, it got so personal. And as AJ pointed out, this must have been bubbling for so long.

There must have been so much said behind the scenes that when Nick threw this stuff out there, it's like, dude, it's over. I'm scrambling the jets. We're talking about as if our country just got attacked by a terrorist attack. We're calling up the press conference right now on a Thursday morning at 10 o'clock. And I'm going to respond to all of these allegations. And you don't even need to ask me questions. I'm just going to spill everything out and do your job for you. While you're trying to ask questions, I'm actually going to cut you off.

I've got more to say, actually. Shut the fuck up. I've got more to say. Stop asking your fucking question. You think he's good, huh? I got more to say, actually. Shut the fuck up. I got more to say. Stop asking your fucking question. Huh, you think he's good, huh? I'm not done yet, sir. Please, let me continue to bury the old friend of mine.

I'm fascinated by it all, and before the boys have their question for the general, general, I have one more follow-up. Like, what you just said there about you and A.J. Hawk's relationship, did that actually happen? Like, should we send, like,

are we, what did you guys, you guys bury, what happened? There's send... What did you guys... What happened? Listen, have you ever seen the movie Very Bad Things, Pat? No, no. That would be the complete opposite of something I would sign up to watch. I'm a very optimistic, positive person. I know you're a very optimistic person. I think it might be a movie you want

to watch, and it'll just kind of tantalize the mind and the imagination with some of the things you think you can get into if you know somebody close enough for long enough that I'm not saying you're going all the way there. But you know what? There might be some great little stories here and there, some little nuggets for everybody. So go watch. That's a little homework for you. We knew AJ was a fucking murderer.

Dirtbag. Didn't we? Zero killer. Scumbag. Didn't we? Yeah. Zero killer. Scumbag.

Anybody who washes their clothes every night, doesn't put any sauce on food, hasn't had a carb since 1997. Pat, you've got a question of whether or not he's cutting people off and throwing them in the dumpster. I'd be a lot more lean if I didn't have a carb since 1997. I eat plenty of carbs. That's the only thing he defended. That's the only thing he defended. The other stuff I don't need to defend. Of course not. That's the only thing he defended. That's the only thing he defended. The other stuff I don't need to defend. Of course not.

General, given all this stuff and what we know, if both of these guys have like eight beers and then go out into a back alley, who you got in a fist fight? Jimbo or Saban? I think Jimbo's younger. Nick Saban's like 70 years old. The thing is, Pat,

they're both from West Virginia. I know you're a Pitt guy, so it's not that far down the road. These guys might have a little scrappiness to them, but I would probably have to take Jimbo at this point just because he's younger and he's got ranches. So anybody that's got ranches, you know they can do a little

something. What is that from? Well, that's what he said when they asked him about leaving Texas A&M to go to LSU. He goes, why would I leave A&M? I got ranches in Texas. And I'm like, do we really need the ES on the end? It's just like the mic drop of, yeah, we know you get paid $75 million, dude. We know that you're super wealthy. Like, he just dropped out.

I got ranches in texas i guess i guess you're a good person to ask about this because you're still running with college kids and trying to beat them on a daily basis the competitive stamina of saban and jimbo fisher to still care this much at the age with all the money they've made all the success that they've had publicly they are emotionally invested and pissed off about this. I find that impressive to have that trait. I don't know if as I get older, I'm going to give a fuck enough about anything to really answer the way they have. But I feel like that's part of the beauty of college football, right?

That's why people who love college football love college football because it's a cult-like situation. Everybody's all in everywhere. Do you see that continuing with the nil stuff bob do you think the the environment and culture of college football is going to remain through this through all this i mean that's that's the thing that makes college football so special and even separates it a little bit uh from the nfl and because you sit there on saturdays and you watch full-grown men who may be a banker on monday through Friday, nine to five.

And on the Saturday afternoon, they're super boozed up. They're going to cheer on their team. And you know what? If you talk trash about their team, they're going to fight you in the parking lot. They're a grown 48 year old man with probably three kids that are going to go to some soccer games on Sunday.

And they're sitting there in a T a polo with whatever they emblem they've got. And if you're wearing the wrong one and talking trash, they're going to come at you. And so I hope that that still stays there with the fan base. I hope that it still stays there with the coaches. I think that it will, largely because people still care a lot. And I think they're going to probably find a way to tweak this NIL thing.

But it's just going to take a little bit of time to figure it out. How are they going to tweak it, though? What can they do moving forward to stop them recruiting kids from other schools to other big time schools? That's the real question right there. I asked Nick that. I'm like, how would you fix this? If you could do it. And his thing is

get rid of the collectives. I don't think anybody has a problem with dudes making money. Can you explain what the collectives do exactly? West Virginia's got one. West Virginia's got one. Oh yeah. Well, so the collectives, they basically said, hey, we want to make sure that everybody's getting paid. And NIL, it's not

you going and getting a deal and going and doing something like that. We're going to set up so everybody that comes here, they get $50,000 or $100,000. And that's essentially, I think, what Nick was alluding to with what Texas A&M did. They had a lot of boosters, wrote a lot of checks, signed 25 kids. Every kid that came in got $50,000 regardless of anything else.

It's like, dude, that's really not NIL. That's just paying some dudes to come to your school. That's where these collectives have formed to do that. A lot of schools are getting them. That's kind of the problem that I have with it. Dude, guys still get paid. Once you're a good player, you go market yourself you go brand yourself you know you're a likable guy you go do all those things and it's somehow the ability as nick was saying to kind of

eliminate those collectives is i think the solution but they're gonna have to have some sort of legislation around it i don't know how they're gonna do it i honestly have no clue how they'll be able to pick it because isn't isn't it the same for me to say this company is going to offer you fifty thousand dollars to sign autographs two times a year here if you come here isn't that the same as basically promising the money up front i just i don't know how they'll be able to stop it i have no idea how they'll be able to stop it you can create fake companies and have them do posts online for i mean there's just always going to be ways around it which i think is why everybody's judging Nick Saban so hard because for a long time, it feels like he has found ways around it. And now everybody else is kind of getting an

opportunity to try to do so. So it's a lot of that, I think. And you know, you Ohio State people, we know what you guys have been doing. Okay. We know you get a hundred thousand dollars to sign your name 20 times once you retire from Ohio State and you're able to do appearances for the rest of your life in Columbus, basically, right? Well, I mean, let me tell you this. If you play in Ohio State, there's a lot of great things that are afforded to you. However, getting paid, AJ and I would sit there one time. I remember it was like him, myself, Nick Mangold, I don't know, maybe one other person.

We're sitting there and, like, guys all, everyone talks about getting paid. Like, getting paid like I don't know who asked the question have any of you guys ever been offered money because like we're all trying to find who's gonna pay bar tabs my wife graduated a year before us she would be out there like paying our like $60 bar tab when we were in college because none of us had any cash to be able to afford it and so so man all of a sudden none of us have ever been offered cash while we were playing. Now, when you get done, you get opportunities, like you said, to sign autographs and do stuff like that. And so that's fantastic.

So I don't know how all that crap works, you know, with those guys getting paid and all that stuff happening. But Columbus is a big city. Ohio loves the Buckeyes. And that's a great thing about being in Ohio State. And you got a recruiting advantage. You got a recruiting violation? Feels like it. That's unbelievable. Fucking cheaters.

Ryan Day. Cheater. Wow. Cheater. Good to know. I wish I would have got some dollars. I told people, I can't promise you I would have said no if someone offered me 50 grand in cash. I didn't have any money laying around. That would have been like manna from heaven for me. Dude, I got $40,000 out in

loans. Do you know how much fun we had in Morgantown with $40,000 in loans? I'm full scholarship kickballs. It's my money. I want it now loaned from 2 a.m. advertisement on TV. 25, 30% interest rates on these things. Got the money the next day. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Great time. I had a blast. I love you. I love you so much. That is the most financially irresponsible thing I've ever done. But that sounds like an awesome time. I mean, if one of my kids looked at me and said, hey, I know I got a full ride, but I'm going to take out college loans just to party my balls off. I mean, I don't know if I'd be disappointed, depressed, kind of excited that, hey, you're thinking about being able to work the financial process.

But my goodness, man, that must have been one hell of a time. Yeah, it was. It certainly was. We had a good time. I did spend every single dollar. But I just assumed if I don't make it to the NFL, I'll be in debt like all my friends. All my friends are in debt. And if I do make it to the NFL, I'll pay it off.

And B happened. Thank God. all my friends all my friends are in debt and if i do make the nfl i'll pay it off yeah and b happened thank god if a would have happened we're still paying whoever that fucking uh sally may forever because my degree would have been in nothing and i would have got flipping burgers probably so i had that forced thought at like 2 33 a.m you know a little boozed up like i'm either in debt like everybody else or i'm gonna be able able to pay it off. It all worked out. Hey, if it wasn't for those bar tabs, by the way, is our team as close as we were together as a football team? Is our camaraderie as high as it was to get all those wins?

You know, those are the things you can't really train and work out on the football field. That is true. I mean, AJ and I, we just sit around and, like, watch Top Gun and stuff like that and, you know, sneak Chipotle into a movie theater but we got our boy you're like this you want to talk about some camaraderie pat this is how close we were as linebackers we go in to watch a movie a matinee i don't even remember what it was in a movie theater suns wednesday afternoon no one's in there aj walks in sits dead in the middle we got like two Chipotle burritos, like meatheads.

We stuffed in our pockets to eat during the show. AJ sits in. I leave a seat because there's no one else in a 400 seat theater. And then our dude Schlags comes around me and then plops down in the seat in between us. So we've got like three 250 pound dudes, no one else in the theater. And like a dude comes in to sweep and, like, to get the trash and just looks over. And, like, I didn't even realize.

I tried to, like, hide my face because I was so embarrassed. And two Chipotle things as well. I mean, you guys were having a good time in there. What was the movie? I don't know. All I know is this. I'm excited about Top Gun coming out. Hell yeah.

I mean, I'm super juiced about that. I hear it's good. I hear it's legit from people that have seen the early screeners. I hear it's good. I'm going to get Gun coming out. Hell yeah. I mean, I'm super juiced about that. I hear it's good. I hear it's legit from people that have seen the early screeners. I hear it's good. I'm going to get car sick in there, I think, right? Oh, yeah. Definitely. IMAX.

How about the new commercials, by the way, to say movie theaters? That one says, one of their reports was, see it on the biggest screen possible. That was on the trailer. Like, you need to see this in the biggest environment ever. I'm going to go to the movie theater for Top Gun. Oh, yeah. I'm asked, too. Next week.

If I'm going to fucking space, I mean, let's go. Tom Diggs, you got a question for General Bob Carpenter? Yeah, Bob, if you guys play during the NIL, who would your dream partnership, endorsement, sponsorship be from, do you think? Oh, goodness, man. Like, in college, if i was probably bob right what cahoots i would imagine right you could explain that to the people that checks a lot of boxes

because i was gonna say so cahoots was a it was it's called a wild place to eat was their tagline they had a great brunch show i've been told but they were a like topless uh topless bar strip club-ish type deal, not far from campus. And that's where a lot of guys would go. Checks a lot of boxes. Love hoops. It's got some food,

it has some entertainment, and it's going to take care of the beers. I don't really know if it's close. I don't think that there's anything else that you could have looked at and said, man, it's going to really bring it home like a nice solid cabaret. I probably would have had to go with

Cahoots because it's a wild place to eat. Alright, Jesus Christ. General, you're sitting in front of about 50 photos, game balls, trophies. Any of those that kind of strike a feeling about a story? And also, is that an ESPY behind you?

That is an ESPY. And that was from our national championship at Ohio State. Here's what's amazing is you get so much stuff if you're at Ohio State. They've got a bazillion awards. They don't even have room to put them all over there now. And so when they were renovating the facility, some of this stuff was going to kind of get pitched, and they were trying to find people to give it to.

So I think that was like 2002, the SB for best game for our national championship game against Miami. I just happened to be right place, right time, when that thing may have been sliding towards the dumpster. So that was that thing. I put that behind me, and hey, it was to a good home. It was like a lost pet, dude. Someone put a little dog on your porch, too. I looked at that, and I'm like, this guy can hang out with me. I mean, hey, it was to a good home. It was like a lost pet, dude. Someone put a little dog on your porch, too.

I looked at them like, this guy can hang out with me. It'll be perfect. Nice little conversation piece. And the rest of the game was all from AJ. So it's all good. Hey, listen, I don't want to say you're a lost pet because I guess you're on every single show on Sirius, AJ told me, but I wish we could hear more of you.

Bob, you are the man every time you come on here, pal. You hear me? Hey, well, I appreciate you having me on. Patrick, thank you so much, and I'm more than willing to come back at your beck and call, sir. How about Affinity? Are we going to get set up for that or what? Yeah.

Listen, we'll get a little get-together right there. Oh, shit! Holy shit. That's about all I got now. What, biceps? You can still do runs, though, don't you? The kids are going to fucking smoke you. Coach, I'm staying in shape because I'm hoping to come in and be your hype man for SummerSlam.

I guess me and AJ, I'll even grow the hair back out a little bit. We'll get whatever we need to do. A little flow up there. That would be great. Come on, Coach. Let him in. All right, Coach. We'll see you.

Ladies and gentlemen, General Bob Carpenter. Yeah, General! Kind of alarmed to hear that you murdered somebody, but... Yeah, killed a hooker. I guess that's what Bob was talking about, with people who know a lot about each other whenever they get on the outs and then they go public. I mean, there's a lot that could be found out.

That's crazy you did that, AJ. I think we know where she went missing from, too. Yep. Cahoots. Cahoots. Cahoots. They were raided, I believe. Wild place to eat, dude.

Yeah. I don't think they're open anymore. Yeah, there is. It was raided, I believe. Wild place to eat, dude. I don't think they're open anymore. Yeah, there is. There's a wild place to die, too. There's a great place to watch UFC fights. It's on the website. Really? Fortunately.

Wild place to be seen by Bob Carpenter and A.J. Hawk. Yeah, exactly. Shockingly, I'd actually never been in that place. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm getting a new break. I can't take it anymore. I haven't.

You hear me? I can't take it anymore. Why on Friday all of a sudden? There's other establishments, adult ballets, as you call them, not too far away that didn't really serve food. I'd been in a couple of those. I've never been to Cahoot's, though. I'll tell you what.

Those college adult ballets always have great drink specials. The one place in Morgantown was Bring Your Own Beer. Love that. Just kind of hang out. I try to get around being fully naked. You can't sell alcohol. Some asshole that I know took an entire keg in there like took the whole thing had ice inside took a fucking tub in there that's unbelievable yeah it was it was pretty wild yeah yeah he's the bell of

the ball it sounds like i was not there at the beginning of his arrival, but I was called in to help him clear out the keg because they obviously became quite a scene. Five hours later. Two guys walked in there with a full keg thing that I had known. Were they trying to get girls to come do keg stands on the side of the stage? I don't know. It was in the middle of the afternoon, too. It was a wild, wild thing.

We got out of practice and we had heard from said persons who might have been ex-players that were still in town they were like we need some help we thought this would be a good idea it's not a good idea can't get out of here college adult ballets what a place game changer all right we're gonna get to a break um the boys will announce a giveaway on the other side fox and i are are off to Grand Rapids. Have the greatest weekend of your life. We'll see you on Monday. Thank you all so much to all of our guests and to all of you. You are the best people on earth. We're still in the middle of something season one will be.

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