The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 671 - Sports Emmy Award Winner Peter Schrager, Arizona Cardinals GM Steve Keim, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: May 25, 2022

On today’s show Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys talk about all things NFL, the NBA Playoffs, and everything else in the sports world. Joining the progrum in the first hour is a part of the Emmy Award-winning show, Good Morning Football, Writer of a New York Times Best Seller, Writer for FoxSports.com, Peter Schrager, to chat about Emmys, the future of GMFB, and all the headlines in the NFL today (5:35-33:00). Later in hour three, the GM of the Arizona Cardinals and former LG of NC State, Steve Keim, joins the progrum to discuss the Hollywood Brown trade on Draft night, Kyler Murray, Hard Knocks, and the next steps the progrum needs to take this season and for the future (1:13:30-1:37:05). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. It is Wednesday, May 25th, 2022 and this sports show shall begin right now. We can't thank you enough for joining us and although we are a sports show we would be absolutely terrible despicable humans if we did not address what has happened in Uvalde, Texas just yesterday. What happened yesterday is despicable. What happened yesterday is incredibly sad. What happened yesterday is incredibly tragic. And although I am not a person that has the answers and nobody in this studio is,

we all are on the side of common sense happening and this not becoming a reoccurring occurrence in the world that we currently live in, which is what it kind of feels like every once in a while. You know, last week it was a grocery store. This week it's an elementary school. 19 children lost their life in the country that we call home. In this studio, I know there's an international audience. We are obviously grieving with all of the families. And although I know people get all very pissed off and whenever you say nothing but positive thoughts and prayers and good vibes.

And people say, well, that's not enough. That's not enough. They come after you. It's like, I don't know what else we can necessarily do from where we are. I hope that we can be a distraction for some of the people that may be going through some of these terrible times. I'm not 100% sure if that is our proper role on this day or not. I'm not 100% sure if that is our proper role on this day or not But we will try to do everything we can like we do every single day Throughout a lot of things that we do not

Necessarily enjoy the fact that we are alive while they are happening This show has always tried to be the distraction on the screen The mental vacation, the getaway And that is what we will continue to try to do today. Although what happened yesterday is incredibly sad and goes against everything I think this country is about. We will try to do our thing to distract and to not distract from the main goal, but distract you from any grievance or negative thoughts

and be hopefully a little bit of a getaway, a little bit of a, okay, there is sports that are still happening. Okay, there is a place where I'm allowed to laugh and be comfortable, although not necessarily everything is fantastic and perfect everywhere. That is what we'll try to do today. We've got a lot of great guests joining us. Emmy award-winning Peter Schrager will be here today. Just won an Emmy last night. Unreal.

How about it? Steve Kine, general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, will be here in the third hour. Here we go. There's some big conversations to be had with the Arizona Cardinals and their quarterback and everything they've got going on. I think he's currently at league meetings or maybe on his way out of league meetings that are happening currently where Roger Goodell is saying things that are making headline news. For instance, Pro Bowl needs to change.

That thing stinks. We have dived into a couple different ways we think we can make it better, how it could be better. I thought more about it last night on some vitamins. Traveled to Illinois where it's legal. Came back on some vitamins. Started thinking about the Pro Bowl. Think we have that figured out.

A lot of people do. But is he placing onus on the NFL or ESPN? Because ESPN is the network home of the pro bowl they're the ones that run like the i believe the the show the the night before everything yeah they're the ones that created the quarterback carnival the thing so to roger goodell say hey what they're doing with pro bowl we need to make better or is that an nfl decision to say hey we're not doing a game anymore. Just all skills challenge. Take it however you want.

Because if you get some creative people and you put up actual prizes and then money to charity, I think you can garner and create some great content. But what they're going to say to that is the Pro Bowl game stinks. Worst brand of football on earth. Yes. Gets more viewers than the Golden State Warriors and Dallas Mavericks. Very interesting. That's what they'll say. Hey, it stinks.

We all think it stinks. Actually, it's maybe the only thing of the year that our fans hate watch. They hate watch it just so you can tweet about how fucking bad it is. This isn't shit TV that people do that to. Reality TV people watch along just to hate it and bash it is. This isn't shit TV that people do that to. Reality TV, people watch along just to hate it and bash it online. There's content on the internet

that people watch just so they can bash it online. The NFL's like, yeah, our Pro Bowl is our hate watch thing. Yeah, and it gets a lot of viewers.

People bury it every single year and I'm going to come out here and say, God, get better. You know, it's got to get better. And what are they actually going to do next year?

Probably something similar to what they've done in the past because we're all going to watch because the NFL knows that we love the sport. We love the program that they're running. And if they do make changes to make it a more fulfilling experience, not only for the players but for the fans, to celebrate the players that carry the league year in and year out to the record ratings that they're at. I think everybody would be pumped.

Hopefully, Goodell allows that to happen. Hopefully, the NFL allows that to happen. And we can't wait to watch. So we'll talk to Schrags about that. We'll talk to Steve Kime about what he thinks about the rules. Is there any rules changing at the league meetings? I don't know. Rap Sheet mentioned a couple, maybe.

Yeah, I don't know. We'll talk to him how his life changes. And are they going to sign Kyler Murray? Yeah. The Toxic Table is here. At Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor. One half of the hammer. Done.

Cowboys. Tone Diggs is here. The boys in the back are here. Join us now, man, that we do. That will bring the happiness. Yeah, here we go. Here we go. And we'll bring the good mood.

Because this guy is now an Emmy winner. Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, host of Good Morning Football, the Emmy award winning Good Morning Football and NFL Network, Peter Schrager. Yeah. Just kidding. Standing O, Peter, from everybody. Wow.

Wow. Hey, you did it. Hey. You did it, Pete. Hey. You won the Emmy. Hey. Wow, hey, you did it. Hey, you did it, Pete. Hey, you won the NBA. All those years, all that hard work. I tried it. Here we go now, huh, Peter?

Yeah, Peter. Hey, how about, you know, Peter Schreiber won it, but how about Michael Davies? Oh, yeah. Michael Davies just a couple years ago put a show on air with no sound for 35 minutes. Now he is an award-winning producer good morning football hey how about cal bray hey nate everybody let's go strength the babys. Yo, thank you guys. Love all of you. Oh, you were boozing last night. Listen to this guy.

It was a celebration last night. We won the Emmys. We went after it. We've been nominated four times. We finally won for Best Daily Show. Listen to this. Now, you guys, I guess you weren't in the right. I don't know how they categorize you guys because I feel like this is the most popular show going right now.

Now, Schrags, this is about you. This is not about us. This isn't about anybody. It's about Peter Schrager. And I say this beat because it's all subjective. We beat PTI, which is a show that I think we're all kind of drifting off of. That's like the show that we all watch. We're like, that's the debate show.

Dan Patrick, Rich Eisen. Now that's the NASCAR race we all watched and we're like that's the debate show uh dan patrick rich eisen now that's the uh the nascar race hub which is good if you're a nascar fan it's like 180,000 viewers bobby labon love that yeah good show love great and then uh sports center which is like fucking sports center so i took that we won it was really cool and uh all seriousness i'm not kidding because uh i watched the start of your show pat and it's like yesterday was one of like the darkest days that i've had in a long time with what was going down and we get to that sports emmys and i don't think anyone in the room was like really down to celebrate like high achievement in sports editing or here's great audio it was a low low like mood um there are so many people that work

on our show every single day that put in so much work and like for a brief moment it was cool to get recognized with like scott you know scott van pelt in the room and mike turrico and leslie visser and everyone's clapping for you so we don't want to take away from what's really at hand here, but you said it. Our show, like yours, is a brief distraction or something of joy that you can shut your brain off, get in our little world. We're silly. We're stupid.

We have a blast. We talk ball. But at no point do we think that that's the only thing going on. But if we can bring a moment of joy to people on days like today, hell yeah, that's cool. If you recognize for it, hell yeah. Hell yeah, Shra joy to people on days like today hell yeah that's cool if you recognize for it hell yeah hell yeah shrek and by the way i think that's why we like

your show so much because it is just a distraction and obviously this was everybody that was there last night and there's many others i think you gave credit for i think 50 producers and everybody that's been around you tried to share the love and behind the scenes that's a massive deal right winning a sports emmy like resume like you too like this is a it's a big fucking deal right it's cool i think the moment in the room was cool like no joke like we got up there and it's like you know fred goodell who produces sunday night footballs there and it's like oh i guess he has to at least acknowledge that our you know, Chris Collinsworth won right before us Torrico won after us It's like we're in the same conversation So I you know to be there in person and to get that like to me. That's the cool thing resume and all that stuff

Yeah, I mean sure it's all subjective I don't know if the next spider-man is winning off of like their Oscars but you know what I mean like it's cool to be recognized by the old school and also the traditional, like legit, here, Holly Rowe's in the room and we're winning. And it's like, come on. Holly Rowe has to acknowledge that we exist. It's pretty cool. Yeah, and Good Morning Football,

I think you guys have tried to not be the traditional show. And I think that is why it has had so much success. Whenever you guys have one member leave and then you all go to your houses and just go, what's going on? Is this all summer long? Are you guys going from four bucks all summer long? Are you guys trying to figure? I think it's a couple more weeks.

Basically, they were like, let's go remote. Let's shut it down for a little bit. Make it a little easier. Lift on everybody as opposed to the 4 a.m. wake up. And also, let's save some costs. It's cheaper to do the shows remote and i know the nfl is hurting for money so let's let's really save some costs and then um maybe use that elsewhere but uh i'm not complaining dude we were out to like two or

three in the morning oh yeah and then usually i'd have to be up at four in the morning and today i kind of like rolled out of bed at five a.m. They're like, all right, are you confident in Tua? I'm like, I don't give a shit. We are though, by the way, we are. We do love Tua. We're very happy for Tua. We're very happy for you though. Honestly, we understand, you know, how awesome that had to feel. Kyle Brant cut a promo this morning.

You guys have revolutionized the morning sports conversation. And I think you deserve to be applauded. So congrats to you. Man, that's so cool. Yeah, no problem. I'll say, and like to all you guys, and you guys, I've been there in person, and I've told you all directly, but not only do we feed off your energy and you guys raise the bar for us, but I'll say this. Interviews that you're getting on a day-to-day basis, forget the content that you're creating that we can kind of drift off of and we can react off of. Forget Rodgers.

That's weekly. We'll talk about your interviews with him. But all of the guests and whether it's Tom Telesco or Brandon Bean, that will carry our next day's show because it's so important in the offseason to have content. because it's so important in the offseason to have content. And you guys, as a show, not just you, Pat, you guys as a show ask questions that not everybody asks, and you get stuff out of guests that no one else does. So it's so appreciated for us, just as content creators, to have you guys doing what you're doing and not having maybe the executives bringing it down your back.

We're thankful. We're very thankful. We appreciate that. Thank you for your love, Shrek. Thank you, Shrek. We're lucky thankful. We appreciate that. Thank you for your love, Shregs. Thank you, Shregs. We're lucky to add to the sports media world. We do feel that way. And when things go, we feel as if we have benefited everybody in the sports universe.

When you think about the future of good morning football, last night was a celebration of what? Yeah. The last chapter. I believe. Last year, almost. When you think about the future shrags and i know you're an insider for fox on sundays and you don't you know necessarily love putting the insider cap on but you are an insider what's gonna happen with good morning football yeah we're down two hosts right now nate nate

got an emmy last night too He won for best Personality on air He won an individual award and we were so excited to celebrate With him but he had already left by the time we won Thanks Nate appreciate that Wow Wow Boy he's got a morning show big day Today was probably a lot

Actually all jokes aside Dude hey the first day he left Good Morning Football and he went to that morning show, we had it on. It was his first hit. It was like, I think terrorists were playing bumper cars. Stuff in the Taliban, yeah. Kabul Airport.

Yeah, that's what he was talking about. We were like, holy hell, what a transition from toe-drag swag to the terrorists have taken over the Kabul Airport. It's like, holy shit, what a move. The fact that he still does sports, I think, is good for us, obviously, but probably good for his sanity as well, if I had to guess. I think so. And he's got a lot of range, and he's a good dude.

But he also does the Nickelodeon, so you get both of that. He gets this silly, goofy, like I'm slime stuff. But we haven't filled that chair, and we actually found it to be quite refreshing to get a variety of players coming in and tipping their hat. And today when we won the Emmy, I'm like, this isn't just Michael Robinson, D'Angelo Hall, Chris Carter, Sean O'Hara. The list goes on. We've had so many ex-players, and I kind of like it

because I riff off the ex-player a little bit, and I get different stories each week, and I get different perspectives. Not that Nate's stories got old, but at the end no no no no no he and i could finish each other's sentences so now it's like you have a guy who i don't know the stories that this player is going to tell i don't know where he's going to take this and i think it's kind of cool for us as for k's chair that's going to be an interesting one to fill. She's done. She's moving on. And we've got to find a host that's going to be a full-time host.

And I would think that there's going to be a long line of people who would want that. Those are massive shoes to fill. But I don't know where they're going for that. And I don't play coach or GM. And I'm just going to sit back. And if they ask my opinion, I'll give it. But for now, I trust the executives to hire someone who's, who's going to take care of that hosting job.

What if they're like the Packers for like 17 years and they're like Schrags and Brandt's opinion does not matter. Not at all. I mean, they're the ones that are going to have to have the conversations. They're the ones that are gonna have to throw the football to this person. Break the huddle with this person. We don't want your opinion. Shut up. Just play.

I hope that's not the case. You guys need to cover that if that's happening. It's not. Okay. It's not the case. But I will tell you honestly, I don't have a name for you that I can break here on this show. But

I'm excited to see just as you guys are. I'm confident in this. I'm going to name drop here, but I talked to Kingsbury this morning and he called me and he's like, he's like, this is like you guys got this award. But like you just, you know, if anything, that should motivate both you and Kyle that you're still on that show and, you know, you won the award. But like there's going to be a next chapter and like let's kick ass next year. And it got me kind of fired up. I'm like, all right, it's a new challenge. And I think we all need that professionally, a new challenge and we're

excited to tackle it, whatever it is. You guys just took a trip into the team meeting room there with the Cardinals. Sounds like this is the way Cliff motivates. Hey, here we go. Yeah, absolutely. About to run through a wall. I mean, you got two hours of sleep or whatever out there boozing, celebrating, doing what you got to do and then you don't care about Tua on the NFL Network. Wow. Wow.

Don't get content. That's what Cliff Kingsbury would say. You do. You do Don't get content. That's what Cliff Kingsbury said. You do. You do care about Tua. Come on now. You've got to carry the torch for the Emmy-winning show now. You and Kyle. I'll tell you what, though.

I did have a good take. I was basically like, I think Daniel's really good with quarterbacks. I was trying to be cool earlier. Like, I had a good Tua take. There we go. Hey, there we go. You had that one locked in already. Yeah.

You had that one locked in. That producer should have already known that was taking place. We're talking to Steve Kime today. Third hour. Oh, that's my dude. That's my dude. I've never met him. I've only talked to him via text.

I can't wait. He's the man. A couple little things for your interview with Kime if you want. A, he and Blake Shelton are really tight, and they've got great stories. Kime spent time on the Blake Sheltonton tour bus went on tour with shelton and they've got some stories and b i would say kime kime kime's got some cool stories about his playing days yes he was a player briefly in nfl training camps and uh bounced around a little bit but he's like the pride of york pennsylvania he is all good western's like the pride of York, Pennsylvania. He is all good, Western PA, like the man.

All right. Fucking thank you for that. The boys have some questions. Is that okay? What do you mean he went on tour? Was he singing with Blake Shelton, playing a musical instrument? Traveling with the band. Like a roadie?

A little bit. A little bit. I don't think I understand what you're saying. He had his own bus. He was driving with the team. He was flying with the band. Blake Shelton went on tour a couple summers ago and said, why don't you hang out and see a show?

And they went to four different cities, and Kyme was on the crew. All the time. We're weapons. Oh, man. That had to be fucking awesome. Let me carry a speaker. I don't know if that's Blake Shelton.

What you guys just Some beach. Yeah it is I think. Flip me the bird and then I'll go some beach. I think that's Blake Shelton.

Old Red. Old Red. Great song. Love got me in here. Love got me out. How about that dog? That dog just wanted to make babies.

Yeah. That dog. Now there's long hair and blue hair all in the south. Love got me in here and love got me out. Banger. That is an absolute hitter. Play it. Look, I found my wife with another man.

And it cost me 99. On a prison farm in Georgia. Close to the Florida line? I don't know. That makes sense. Anyways, his wife cheated on him. He fucked with him, killed him, went to jail. Sure, yeah.

Took him a couple years, made a word in his friend. Okay? So he sentenced him to a life of ease. Oh. Taking care of old Red, which was his dog. Shawshank Redemption. Now, old Red was the damnedest dog that he'd ever seen. Okay.

He was a something hound. He was a four-legged hunting machine. So people would escape, but they could never outrun Red. San Red. Yeah, Red would always go get him. So Blake, in the song, made the warden his friend, took care of Red, the dog. Got a friend to bring another dog.

Okay? Old Red would go, fuck said dog, have a good time, come back, did this numerous times. So then one night, Blake set up the dog to go that way, to go fuck somebody, went the opposite direction. He's out of jail. Love got me in here, love. That's awesome. Old Red. Old Red's the fucking damnedest dog I've ever seen. Hell direction. He's out of jail. Love Got Me In Your Love. That's awesome. Old Red. Old Red's the fucking damnedest dog I've ever seen.

That was awesome, Pat. Ain't a horny son of a bitch. What's that, Shrinks? That was good, man. There's no executives here, you know, so I can just kind of... No suits? Yeah, there's no suits, so we can kind of do whatever we gotta do, but yeah, it's a good song. Good song. Hell yeah. Old Red, though, you can get through the swamp in the wet sand, I think.

I forget all of it. But he gets you. Quick sand, yeah. Fucking Red will get you. Anyways, Ty, your question for Shrakes? Shrakes, any movement on Flying Coach Season 2? I mean, I know you said that that might just be kind of a one-and-done thing. But I got to tell you, man, in these dog days of summer a season two a flying coach would be very nice you know i i begged him and

i won't do it without mcveigh i begged him he's just out he's like you know he's he's hit the wall from doing like interviews and changes like i'm gonna just enjoy this off he's getting married this off season he's got his honeymoon he's like we'll pick it up another offseason but i'm upset i love doing it and ironically like the guys that got hired would have been so good like mcdaniel's such a character you guys had him on like we both get along well with him we both get on well with o'connell um hackett's a character like all these new coaches sean and i would have had a good time with it and we talked about it but uh it's his decision he's saying no and well yeah how much you're gonna have to pay him to host a show on spotify now he knows what his value is potentially in the booth he's like yeah definitely do another one spotify 15 million

he did it he did it for free last year oh yeah it ain't happening again super bowl champ now i mean if you're good at it he's great though he's good he's got a he's got something waiting on him if he wants he knows that right isn't that going to tempt him like three four years to every off season it's going to tempt him isn't it yes i think it might tempt him in a month when he's bored and he's like wait what am i doing i gotta do this all over again yeah no he's really good at it and he liked it so uh he'll have opportunities and you see some of these numbers that these guys are getting. Trust me, he's aware.

Let's go. Somebody might offer him like fucking $50 million. After that Brady contract? And he's going to be like, no, I need to watch more film, actually. I've got to go drop this play. Well, you're 37. You could technically do this for like 15 years if you wanted. And guess what?

Still go back. Coaching is still there. Can I tell you? Can I tell you? He was in New York last Monday. We got together and Stafford was in town. I never hung with Stafford. And three of us got together briefly before they did stuff for like the ABC.

Like the two of them, it's like they were the perfect marriage. They get along so well. And we got together and I thought like, all right, here like that's it they were talking ball and it was like stuff that i don't understand you know like route route combinations and telling stories about like what cooper cup did in this game in that game and i'm like i don't know if there's a better coach and quarterback bond they speak the same language of the same age and it's like two best friends going to battle every day and then you add in all the other talent on that team. They're not going away anytime soon as long as those two are together.

Did they show up together or did Stafford show up late? No, they showed up together. Wow. They were all together. Does Stafford come late to your show or something? No, no, no. Stafford's never been on this show and we had like one of his closest friends, I guess,

pretty close to our business there for like two years. Stafford never came on. No big deal. And also the PR person for the Rams is a stooge. Nonetheless,

did, yeah, yeah. I said that because you're on. Yeah, you had to hear that. Yeah, that's how we feel. Get McVay. Yeah, anyways.

Don't need McVay on the show. We're done with it. But McVay and Stafford, they fooled that, you think, into this, into hug when they see each other? Into the hug, into the whole thing. Look, they also were in this like Top Gun commercial, which I

was cringing when they told me they were doing this. I was like, this is going to be the corniest thing. Please, please don't do this. And then I saw it and I was like, it's kind of cool. I'm like, yes, it's definitely cool. Are you kidding me? Dude, Stafford has to love that he's in L.A. How happy are they that they're in L.A. right now? Stafford is so happy.

And he did nothing against Detroit. It's just like this is – it's everything he possibly could have wanted and it happened. And then he's raising a young family and, like, they live in L.A. And he's happy. Like, he's cool. He's good. Wow, they might go back to Detroit. Kelly Stafford said that on the radio.

Did he? Yeah, it was for a charity event they were doing. It was in Detroit. It was in Detroit. Good pop. Good local pop. Sure. Hey, I love the Staffords.

I'm a big fan. I'm happy it's all working out for them. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Pete, you're tied in with all the GMs in the NFL. Now that Shanahan said Jimmy G's getting traded once he recovers from his shoulder surgery, where the hell is he going? Because I know you know. I don't have a team.

I don't have a market for him. And I think even Kyle, when he said that, was like, he'll get traded eventually. But the shoulder surgery kind of put things on pause. I don't think they knew that he was getting that shoulder surgery when he did. And it was right at the combine when sort of the trades start happening. And that kind of stopped the market. And it really puts them in a bind. They're too smart, too savvy to trade him for 20 cents on the dollar.

But right now there is no market that I know of, of teams banging down the door for Jimmy G. Maybe training camp if there's an injury or something. But, gosh, you're trading for a guy you haven't seen him throw a football, and it's a $25 million payday and a price tag. So I don't know what the market was. I've been saying this since free agency, by the way, when everyone's like, oh, you can't keep them both.

They're both there still and we're heading towards June. When's he going to be thrown again? The hope is by early July he's thrown again. But even then, like, what does that mean? A couple Instagram clips. Yeah, he'll get picked up right away. Probably be shirtless with his Gabagool subway. Yeah, his grandma. Maybe throw the subway.

Like Happy Gilmore with the golf. Throws the sub into somebody's mouth 30, 40 yards down the field. Who wants the Gabagool? Yeah, sign that. Boom. Trade's on the table right there. That's a great idea. That is a great commercial.

Thank you. The Niners should maybe do it if they want to trade him. It sounds like Shanahan does though, right? Doesn't it? They've been pretty candid. Even John Lynch was on with me at the Combine and was like, we're going to do what's right for Jimmy and for us, but you don't trade Jimmy Garoppolo, who started quarterback in the NFL,

for a 2028 seventh-round pick. You've got to get something back in return. You look at Carolina and you say, okay, okay well that's a good fit right because they it's carolina's not offering anything right now like they're not just going to trade them for 20 cents on the dollar so carolina's pumped with who they have then huh is that matt corral's gig down there you think no i think it's sam darnold's i wouldn't close the door on baker yet though oh really yeah i think so cleveland just has to pay right hey let's let the best man win here No, I think it's Sam Darnold. I wouldn't close the door on Baker yet, though. Whoa, whoa, whoa, really? Yeah, I think so.

Cleveland just has to pay, right? Let the best man win here. But I think it's Darnold for now and Corral's number two. Cleveland has to pay the salary, though. That's what everybody's saying, right? That's what I think would be the arrangement there, or at least the majority of it. But Carolina hasn't expressed any interest yet. It just makes too much sense.

Then we're Seattle for Baker. I don't know. Seattle seems to be happy with Drew Locke and Geno Smith at the moment which i i'm not going to question that but it seems like baker would be an upgrade from both of those guys well well i don't know who we're woeing i guess because we woe just kind of a shot at baker i guess and then since we were kind of a shot at drew drew lock and geno and we respect west virginia here i know that much mad respect for geno smith hell football player came in Virginia here. I know that. Much mad respect for Geno Smith. Hell of a football player.

Came in last year whenever, you know, that mallet finger happened for us. Sunday night game. Played really well. Absolutely. Did his thing. Slaying the rock. How you doing? Keep it moving.

I hope they all get to compete for the job. We don't know who we woed there, right? That's what I'm saying. We just like to woe sometimes. Yeah, we'll woe. You know, that's another great song back in the day. Go ahead, Tom Diggs. Yeah, Shregs. Now that Omar Khan is going to be the gm for the pittsburgh steelers

like when you were a little boozed up last night do you just send text to new gms like hey if you ever need a shoulder to cry on or talk to or something like that just so you could get in have you texted omar yet yeah i texted him he's a good dude i've known him for years because he's been there for years and i had no relationship with colbert ever. And so I have never gotten information from him or anything. But through the years, you go to these things, and he's always been such an awesome dude to speak with. He's smart. He's always been a guy that I'll ask questions offseason, whatever, like salary cap type stuff. And he's pretty savvy with that stuff.

Here's the deal with what they did. They went around the world and back again interviewing interviewing all different gm candidates and they knew that they had a really good candidate right under their nose but he outdid all those candidates and the guy that was in the building is who they hired but omar we all knew that was gonna happen right he's been doing this thing for 17 years i think in pittsburgh and he was the best candidate and they interviewed a lot of people and a lot of people multiple times and he still got the job so he's earned it every single way and he's going to be picking right up from kevin colbert every answer immediately upon this job opening right said they're going to hire from within the building though when they're kind of the and the immediate

thought is always with the steelers that is coming from their university that is how the pittsburgh steelers have always operated it was was Omar who's kind of on the finance side and then Brandon Hunt who was kind of on the scout side. They went with Omar and then they brought in from the scout side a guy from the Eagles. Andy Weedle, who's great. Hey, a lot of people out of the Howie Roseman factory.

Now, they gave Andrew Berry credit for that on Ari Mirov and Andrew Berry, obviously, from the Colts. But it does feel like a lot of the Eagles staff get gigs. A lot of high respect for Howie. Is that what that is, or what do you think? Hey, I did a whole segment on it two weeks ago because of the diversity that he's bringing out.

Catherine Raich goes. She gets a job in Cleveland. She's one of the highest-ranking females in all of sports media, in all sports executives. And then you talk about Ian Cunningham and Brandon Brown and over the years Andrew Barry, of course, but then you add in Andy Weidel, who's going to go now and join Pittsburgh. But also Joe Douglas,

the GM of the Jets, was with Howie for a year in Philadelphia and said that really helped him go. Howie gets a lot of slight, but one thing they do really good, it's almost like an incubator there for young talent. And if I was to tell anyone trying to get into the NFL, send your resumes out because it could happen.

And then Philadelphia is one of those places that not only embraces it, but they help develop you and help you grow. And then, of course, Howie always is good with the numbers too, so you learn the full thing where you learn the football, but you also learn the business on the side. Well, congrats to Howie becoming a front office factory, whatever I'm saying. Congrats to you on winning a damn Emmy.

Thank you for the information on Steve Kime. We just looked up the photos from him on tour with Blake Shelton. He looks awesome on tour. Can't wait to chat about that with him and the Kyler Murray stuff. What would it take to get you guys on Good Morning Football this offseason, even if it's remotely, like a pop-on? Is that going to have to take a big favor or you don't do that? I understand.

I mean, you guys haven't had me on the first three years of your existence. I'm friends with basically everybody on the show. I've never been on. I was actually on set a couple times. Yeah, right next door. Was never invited on. I think it's because Michael Davies is so embarrassed by the fact he put me on camera for 30 minutes with no sound.

Quickly, what is that story? I don't know the story. It was for a show. Just one of the greatest produced shows of all time. What show was it? Barstow Tailgate Show. Me and Portnoy in Trent, I believe, that particular day. I don't know if JSB was with us yet. We were in Iowa live on location from a house.

Probably 100 people in the front yard of this house there. Pretty electrified. Probably our best show. Probably the best show we did from front to back. Crowd was wild. Crowd was insane. It was a great weekend of college football. It was the kickoff, you know, the Iowa game.

30-some minutes we did a show, got off the front porch that we were doing the show for. Looking around like, we did great, right? Hopped in a car car we were hopping on a private plane because i had a uh stand-up thing to do that night in purdue and portnoy was coming with and we were in the car and my wife's text come through uh comes through green and i realized i didn't have any service or whatever and it said no sound and uh then like 20 more text messages came through from her and other people. They were like, there's no sound. There's no sound. There's no sound.

And importantly, I actually hear his phone start vibrating because none of us had service because how many people were in the confined area that we were in in Iowa. So we didn't even know until like literally 20 minutes after the show ended that we were completely muted for 35 minutes or whatever. Michael Davies' production. Now he's winning sports Emmys. I've never gotten an apology, I don't think, ever. Never explained to me. Never talked to me. Then that show got canceled.

Then that show got canceled. And think about that. Me and Portnoy in front of hundreds of people in all these college towns, show got canceled. Never really. That show should have been. And it still is. They still pack out parking lots and everything but i thought we all thought and i thought as we're doing like oh this show is going to become oh yeah and then it got canceled i had no sound one week we had no

we got canceled can i tell you something because i've been through all these things it's over it all works out it does davey's got an em for it. Davey's got an Emmy and you're hosting Smackdown and my little son at five and a half years old is like, this guy's crazy. I love this dude.

That's awesome. So I got range. You know what I mean? I got range there. Pretty cool. Davey's a good guy. We didn't need Iowa. We're good.

Hey, Davey's a good guy? Davey's is the man. Good dude. All right. That's interesting. He's an Emmy winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seems like a great guy. Great guy. Got one of the best gifts I have. The gift of me doing

this is from that. Because I didn't know we were muted, obviously. This conversation happened over top of me. So everything we did was being psychoanalyzed. Every movement we made, you know what I mean? So it was quite a show. I was lucky to be a part of that show. You know, and congrats to Dave. So anyways, Shrugs, enjoy a nap or two. Enjoy some water and continue carrying that flag of the Emmy winning Good Morning Football, pal. You deserve it. We appreciate you. Thank you, guys.

Love you all. We love you too. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Shrugger. Yay! I would say he's the face of Ohio not just because his face kind of resembles the shape of the state of Ohio, but because he is an Ohio guy if you were to literally put together a mock Ohio guy. Yes. Zero concussions while being the all-time leading tackler for the Green Bay Packers in the middle of the concussion lead with your head era. Yep.

So what's that mean? Well, his skull, incredibly thick. Too thick. Tough. Tough. What? Hates mouth guards because the science, he says, causes concussions as opposed to the other. So much so, on one tackle, that didn't cause a concussion he actually made his tooth

vanish into dust yeah because he hit somebody so square that his jaw cracked in their tooth spitting dust like when people eat saltine crackers his fucking canine this guy spit did not cause a concussion. Fucking lost the hardest part of your body, the fucking tooth. The thing that is literally just bone on the outside. Callus vanished. Vaporized. Boom! Brain

didn't bobble once. Not even a little. He's toxic as hell. Oh yeah. He won a college football national championship with the Ohio State Buckeyes. Still lives in Ohio. From Ohio. Ohio's greatest football player ever.

And Super Bowl champion. Ryder Cup champion. COVID survivor. A.J. Hawk. How you doing, A.J.? I appreciate the great intro. Obviously, you took your own liberties with what may be truthful, but you know what? I appreciate your passion.

Rebuttal to what I said. What do you mean? About what? There's too many things. What do you mean? Pick one. What did I say that was wrong? What did I say?

My tooth wasn't vaporized. You said it. It disintegrated. You said it. The majority of it did, but I found a few flecks that I was trying to give back to the trainer. Maybe we could rebuild this joke. Like, it's a toe on ice? I can't claim to be Ohio.

Believe me, there are so many that came before me and that will come out. Oh, there it is. Even more Ohio. I don't want to be that person. Thank you. Yeah, that's... When you started your intro, I thought it was Herbie. I was like, oh, sweet, Herbie's on.

I can watch you talk to Herbie. No, Herbie has picked against Ohio State once in the past. So I believe Herbie was potentially on the odds with Ohio because he picked against Ohio State maybe one time in the history of College Game Day. And he's like, move. Get out. Kick him out of the state, this fucking traitor. I think it's a good thing, though, you get to represent the state of college game day and he's like move get out kick him out of the state this

fucking traitor i think it's a good thing though you get to represent the state of ohio don't you aj yeah i'm from here i i've been all over and i i enjoy it here in ohio i choose to live here so yeah why not you and dave chappelle yep only two should be the go springs yeah not too far from where i grew up in dayton yeah well yeah i would like to potentially you know see a chapelle hawk you know campaign go whether it's local right county senator whatever or governor just to turn ohio uh into what it can gloriously become not that it isn't already there was a full scouting report by Dr. Prof Donut on the internet. Is that what all this was about? All this buildup?

Yes. So you could show this thing? Yes. Ladies and gentlemen, still a top five pick in life. If you were to go through the A.J. Hawk scouting report that was put together by a third party,

an independent evaluator that we did not hire or know, put together a full scouting report on the man that is Ohio, the man that is A.J. Hawk. All this does is just encourage people to continue to do things like this. No!

What? What do you mean? I mean, people are very creative, though, so hey, I appreciate it. I appreciate the passion, like I said, for you. Let's go through the strengths. That was laid out by somebody, once again, we do not know.

No idea. He is faster, ran a 4-4. Yeah. Okay. Stronger, tore his pec, still max benched at 400-some pounds. Yep. No. And tougher, once again, zero concussions, had a tooth turn into vapor in the middle of the game.

Brain didn't move. Nope. Than most human beings. I think that's an accurate scouting report there to begin. Don't you? Yeah. I mean, no way to ever judge toughness, but fine. You can move on. There is.

How many games did you miss? I mean, yeah, in the league, I guess one. Really? Can you hold up your hand real quick? Your fingers? No. Yeah. Let's see those fingers.

Come on. Let's see those fingers. Keep moving. I want to see what the next one is. Show us the goods. Has money and connections with people with even more money. Definitely a strength. A thousand percent true.

Remember you were down at the Masters. You were doing your thing. You were at that Emmy party. You were high fluting around with the shrimp cocktail. Yeah, all that stuff. Rogers is his best friend. He's going to be a billionaire soon. At that party that Ace Ventura walked into looking for fucking Snowflake.

Yes. Sam Ace. He was at that. What's that? Sam Ace. That was his party. That was his name at the party. Yes.

Sam Ace. That was at a party that A.J. Hawk is usually at, attends, and throws. Oh, yeah. Sometimes. All the time. Carnival in his backyard. Accurate still. I mean, yeah. All the time. Carnival in his backyard. Accurate still. I mean, sure.

Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Responsible adult. Okay. Now, loses a little bit of legitimacy here, right? Yeah. More than a little bit.

A little bit. I mean, you've got to look past that, though. Every evaluator is going to have a flaw. This might have been the one that is on this entire sheet. Yeah, fall asleep while driving with your kids in the car. You just can't. That does get addressed, though. Yeah.

They are not in the car. They are very active in the car, so you could not fall asleep with them. I don't believe you. But, no, him getting his kids ready and stuff like that, that's very responsible. Also, Cheesecake Factory every single day, Super Bowl week week making sure we were all fed and ready to go responsible yeah true worth of groceries too yeah i agree yeah always has water cannot be really swayed stubborn as fuck i do believe this is the only thing on this entire sheet here that also have uh he can't drive like a normal human being uh sunsets really fuck him up jumping i have one other issue with this that i'll explain later

yeah you might have one yeah and having breaking news he stinks at obviously he does have breaking news right but actually breaking breaking news is definitely a weakness and there's other great things on there this was the only thing that he commented on my post about the only thing none of these other things were a problem falling asleep while driving with him sunsets doing this entire thing uh you know having news not breaking it being just not a champion of news on this show yeah everything he was mad that people called him stubborn that this independent part that out of this whole thing stubborn was the one that you were like nope not fucking having it why is that you believe stubborn people are bad

people that was what crossed the line for you no i believe there's all different levels like yes it is good to be stubborn on things that you believe in and then things that you think you know you'll work your balls off for and you'll go try but i am not stubborn on stupid things that don't matter like i don't sit there and do that i know people that are stubborn just to be stubborn because they want to be right i try to stay away from being that person don't think you'll become um that successful or grow if when you're wrong you can't acknowledge it forgive yourself and move on like that i think you have have to do that. Being able to do that is a weapon. I honestly believe that because think about the situations and I used to not be able to do it. Obviously you could tell, um, like when I was a teenager and shit, I was a fucking asshole of a kid to my parents. I couldn't even imagine what it was like,

but when you get humbled numerous times and like your flaws just get displayed, I think sports do this. I think sports have caused you to almost like when I got those death threats, okay. And my life ended, I let down my teammates and the entire city and everything, boy, that's a new, like,

well, I was obviously wrong. The way I was going about things wasn't right because this is where I'm at. So you have to like open. Once you like realize that what a game changer just for life. I don't want to get too serious into a conversation here. I have a very accurate scouting report here even the stubborn one i mean yeah even the stubborn one for sure it refuses to fix the internet in ohio right ever to ever do it but i think that's a weapon of yours and i think that's cool that we actually talk about it aj it's

real humanized of you well it's funny that uh yes this funny how this show can weave in between things like this and all of a sudden real situations. So yeah, I guess I don't have as big an issue with being stubborn as I thought I did last night. Well, it was the only thing that really caught your eye. There's one other thing I disagree with. What?

So yeah, we're not going through it. Good. I got a few messages when I checked about this. People trying to claim I didn't beat my shellfish allergy. That's an absolute joke. It is gone. I can eat as much as I want. I absolutely beat it. I will prove it however you want me to do it, but I'm just telling you.

I absolutely beat it. That's a clip. Love that. You're out there beating it off. The shellfish. Yeah, the shellfish. I set myself up. Yeah, you did.

You did. The shellfish thing. Justfish thing you beat that guy's name all right off of him and by the way he did change it on social media we talked about that about how that's a smart decision to do that whoever yeah congrats congrats him congrats on his arms his new name yeah all above his new title his your commitment to micro dosing yourself so you can hobnob with the high society is something that was... That's not why I did it. How many times do I got to tell you?

That's not why I did it, man. You did. You said the shrimp cocktail at the Black Tie Affair where Sam Ace came in looking for a dolphin, found a shark. That is where you had a breakout. You had hives. You couldn't breathe. You looked like a fool in front of all these super rich people. You said, this ain't going to happen ever again.

The next Black Tie Affair. Honey, Laura, when's the this ain't going to happen ever again. The next black tie affair, honey, Laura, when's the next black tie affair? Six months. All right. Let me Google this thing. You go in there, you microdose. I did not Google it. This was before microdosing was a thing.

Whoa. Did you create it? Microdosing? Not at all. I did not create anything. The founder. Wow. Holy shit.

Put in the strengths. Add it to the list. Microdosing was a thing but it wasn't like as common as it is now okay so you started it was not because i wanted to go to those it had nothing to do with being at those events pat you know that it's because shrimp cocktail looked very good i didn't care about i didn't care about hot shrimp warm anything in an actual meal i just wanted cold shrimp cocktail that i could dip in the old red sauce how did it taste was it good the first time you had it like the first time seeing color oh yeah i mean

after i finally got there to where i could eat one whole shrimp it was awesome still eat it to this day or no you just have that grilled chicken and uh plain rice right no i'll get it but the only time i get it is if we do like we're at a nice restaurant and someone's getting shrimp cocktail okay will you eat shrimp cocktail i said absolutely oh so you think that's potentially why i say that because the only place the shrimp cocktail is is at one of those events that i laid out exactly well mainly because i'm not big into having like seafood in my house i just feel like it smells for days yeah nobody i've never i've never walked into somebody's house and there have been shrimp cocktail just sitting there you know like always an event shrimp cocktail always an event

or at a restaurant i don't think people just that's why i automatically assume that it had to be so bad at that first big event where your face oh my god that's not where it was it a karate deal you think yeah he's sitting at a super nice steak restaurant And it was a place that was going to teach him The original kick thing That he had on the internet Or maybe that cyber match Whatever the hell that thing was They were going to close the deal

After his big workout They were going to close the deal On him owning a percentage of the fucking power max And then he had one shrimp cocktail Like this guy can't even handle it He loses the entire deal Is that what happened? Your whole guy, he can't even handle it. This guy's balls are cold. This is the entire deal. Is that what happened to your whole face? You couldn't breathe?

Is that what happened, man? That is not how I became aware that I was allergic to shellfish, no. How did you learn? Did you just have – because that kills people, right? Oh, yeah. I was somewhere. I was down on a spring break, I believe, maybe junior year in high school, sophomore year, I don't know.

They're going, oh, try lobster. That seems cool. And I tried it, and then 20 minutes later, people are asking me what's up, and my eyes basically swelled shut and whatever. Oh, no. And Hitch, what a shame. He was really getting hit.

You know what I said, though? I've told you this. I was like, it absolutely is not worth the hype. Lobster is not worth what everyone says. No, shrimp cocktail, not either. not worth the hype. Like lobster is not worth like what everyone says. No, shrimp cocktail, not either. And I need 57 claws of lobster to get enough meat to get full. Yes, and crab legs too. You might as well get 4,000 of them.

It's a fun time though. It's a fun time. Diggs, it sounds like you would eat shrimp cocktail every single night at the house. Okay, so. That's what I said. Did you hear that? Oh, yeah. You were talking about the events and not having a house or whatever. i was a single guy and i i would go grocery shopping like once a

month or whatever and you walk by like the the freezer aisles sometimes at nice at some places they do have the cocktail platter in there and i would just grab that for for dinner or whatever that's awesome that is awesome those are delicious cocktail they the the plastic ones are yes like if um if we are hosting anything at the house straight to the grocery store give me this oh yeah yeah give me the plastic container that has the dip already in the middle it's always a hit it's always a hit always always gets eaten because it's a celebration it feels like shrimp cocktail is a celebration more sundays than not during the football season, I will have a fucking shrimp cocktail on for the game. No way.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What a sophisticated. You know, I feel like in my eyes, I'm like, God damn, that's next level stuff getting in there. Buffalo chicken dip shows up. There's an old celebration. Oh, yeah.

That's far and few between. But because you can't just run down to the local supermarket and grab a big platter of shrimp cocktail. Absolutely. Can you still do that? Is there a shrimp shortage right now? You can get it delivered on DoorDash. What do you mean?

What? Well, yeah, he gets it from Cheesecake Factory once every four months. No, I don't get shrimp cocktail at the house, but that does. You know, I've been to a few, usually like cookouts or something. They may have a tray of shrimp cocktail inside. All right, let's move on. Let's talk sports. Please.

Great to see you, AJ. Top five pick. Scouting report. Hell yeah. Hey, we're lucky Please. Great to see you, AJ. Top five pick. Scouting report. Hell yeah. Hey, we're lucky to have you on this show, AJ. You know that? Hey, I'm lucky to be here, boy. How many years has this been?

How many years has this been? Here? Yeah. Well, since we've been officially doing stuff consistently, it was like the day COVID shut everything down in March. How many years ago? Yeah, I was going to say it's like 26, 27 months right now. What a run, AJ.

What a fucking run. Could you ever imagine? It's going pretty quick. I could never imagine us talking to you every fucking day, basically. It's awesome. Me either. I was not ever planning on. Right?

Was that what it was? Yeah. Man, that was so long ago, but not at all. Do we still have that song? Remember when we did the potting contest or whatever? No, I'm kidding. I mean, you guys. I got roped into something.

What was that, two hours? Yeah, his face was in the clouds in the video. The Office Olympics. This is stupid. You guys can't even hear me. You can't even hear him say it. Is anybody? We couldn't, but it was the whole video, though.

You were one of the only voices that could be heard on the video. It worked out well. It worked out better than we could have ever imagined. What an idea that was. I remember I ran up to do that. It was like at nighttime. Okay, you got to come commentate office golf or whatever. And I got home, ran up here to do it. I remember doing it.

Whenever I got done, I don't know who, my wife or someone was like, how'd it go? I was like, really good. It was awesome. It was like two hours. Oh, yeah. A long time. How many kids do you have? Four. So we appreciate the fact that you spend your day with us. Very appreciative of it. Let's dive into football.

Steve Kimes joined us one hour from now, AJ. There's like big shit to talk about with him. Seems like there's a ton to talk about with him, right? Former player to former offensive lineman. It feels like he very much is appreciative of the players. They've gone all in over there in Arizona. It feels like around Kyler.

Now will Kyler remain? Who knows? But JJ Watt and numerous other people brought into the desert to get that team off and running. I would wonder how nice it feels for Steve time to be empowered. It feels like by the new ownership, like the son took over the team or whatever. And it feels like Steve Kime to be empowered, it feels like, by the new ownership. The son took over the team or whatever, and it feels like they're going all in more and more. He has to be. That's a dream job, right?

Yeah. If you have an owner that goes all in, and you're an offensive lineman, you know football damn well, and you have all the access to do whatever the fuck you need to do to get a winner, you bring in Cliff Kingsbury, which a lot of people judged whenever it happened. He was offense coordinator for USC for like three weeks at the time. He had already been fired from Texas Tech, and they lost their last game to Baylor pretty bad in the Texas shootout down in Dallas, well, Arlington, Texas. On the call, Sean Kelly, A.J. Hawk, and myself.

Wow. We watched his last college football game, and the conversation was oh cliff's getting fired remember we were like are we breaking this on the air during this happens that he's getting fired because it was kind of up in the air he gets fired goes usc becomes a head coach in a fucking nfl that's a massive decision that i guess is boned very well he just signed a new deal over there i mean it seems to be set up perfectly especially for steam or steve kime my bad i bet i do want to ask him, like, yeah, everything's set up.

Everything looks great. Obviously, Kyler is a guy that does things we've never seen anybody do before that also brings a lot of added pressure. Like, hey, you better win, and you better win right now. Yeah, there's some coaches that I've heard speak off out of the building that are like, yeah, they're probably going to want to win, but not too much, you know? You win 10 games this year, and then you win nine games next year.

The natural thing is like, well, who's – What's going on? This same team was able to win 10 games. You guys win nine. It has to be on the coaches or whatever. I'm like, no, no. We should be trying to win fucking – You guys should be trying to win 16 fucking games at the time, 16 games.

Now 17 games every single year. What are we even doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, one team has been able to do it in the history of the time, 16 games, now 17 games every single year. What are we even doing? He's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. One team has been able to do it in the history of the NFL, but, yeah, I'm sure my guy wants to go get fired after one year after the team gets worse or whatever. You know, those things really happen because people are thinking 100% professionally.

Doesn't feel like Steve's doing that or Cliff, which is why I'm pumped. You know, it feels like they know the NFC West is fucking murder's row it's only going to continue to get better because of the goddamn I mean the Rams they're going all in for at least another two three years they're gonna go the Niners are I mean they got a Debo Samuel situation to figure out it feels like Trey Lance is going to be their quarterback with Jimmy maybe getting traded after he comes back healthy here in a few weeks allegedly allegedly early July, not 100% how that'll pan out, but the NFC West is a problem and they know it and they're investing and they're going all in.

I love it. I can't wait to chat with them, AJ. I can't wait to see what it's like to be like, Hey, you, you traded for Hollywood Brown draft night and nobody heard about it. How the fuck did that happen?

You know, with agents and yeah, I mean, there wasn't, they obviously kept like the circle small who knew about it but still it's almost impossible for anyone to keep secrets now so that's i think that is highly impressive i don't know if we'll see something like that happen again he's a former player so i think he takes it from more like a locker room type feel

he was a stud o'liman in college i know that move bodies down here in carolina the the whole um thought though that hey i'm gonna tell you I'm doing this, and we're not telling anybody else. Like, hey, this needs to stay in this room. Like, that's very much a locker room thing, I think, right? Like, hey, this needs to stay in this fucking locker room. This is not good for anybody if this gets out. Not a single person wins from this.

And by this, I mean, like, what somebody's thinking about a coach or what somebody's thinking about a game plan. It's like, hey, this stays fucking in this locker room okay this cannot be out what you see say and hear here stays here whatever it's like literally as you walk out of a locker room so i think him and cliff being a former player as well right yeah huge and they're they are definitely tied together it seems like how they do like they'll be viewed together, how that team does, whether they win or lose. And it feels like everybody always wants a pat on the back for what they're doing.

So that's why, you know, nothing ever, you know what I mean, doesn't get leaked. You know, everybody wants to be like, yep, look what I did. Look what we did. Look at this. Holy shit, this happened. So them being able to just, probably in the room, like, all right, hey, with the ownership, here you go. With the Ravens, probably what, GM over there and hardball probably yeah in the the gm it's like hey this

stays on this conference call they said like a couple weeks right yeah a couple weeks they were saying that was for how 2022 somebody would be pillow talking you would think you would think it what is the uh There's a quote. I'm sure somebody there might know who said it. It's amazing. Like, what can be done if people don't care about who gets the credit? Oh. Something like that.

I think Einstein. Maybe Gary Vee, probably. Aristotle? Maybe Gary. It might have been Gary. I'd say it's Gary over Aristotle. Could be. But doesn't Gary usually wants the credit, though?

No, no, no. He's got a good team. J-Rock. E-Rock. The boys. E-'t the Pope? Gary usually wants the credit, though. No, no, no. He's got a good team. J-Rock. E-Rock. The boys. E-Rock. What? Is he someone at E-Rock and J-Rock?

Okay. J-Rock. It was Harry S. Truman. Oh, give him hell, Harry. Wow. Wow. Nice. Harry Truman.

Not Einstein, turns out. Yeah. Truman. Einstein was thinking about it, though, I think. Probably. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to the phones. Let's go to the 500 phone line. I'm very excited for that conversation with the time.

I mean, we just dedicated 20 minutes to a conversation we're having an hour from now. That's why this show stinks. That's why you shouldn't be trying to steal it. Steal somebody else's show. Only 32 GMs, though. This show stinks, dude. Yeah, there is only 32 GMs. When one comes on, it is a big deal.

And they're having success. And they're fun. That's a fun team to root for. The Kyler on, it is a big deal. And they're having success. Yeah. And they're fun. Yeah. That's a fun team to root for. The Kyler Instagram post, I can't wait. What were your thoughts on him taking the photos off his Instagram? That probably sucked. Oh, no.

What's going on? Do you immediately have to get on the horn there? How about when Eric Burkhardt, then he put an entire letter out to the world. Yeah. He chose. He publicly leveraged the Cardinals. You remember that? That wasn't very long ago that's before the combine that was before the combine right yeah it felt like a very big deal at the time two days before the combine because uh steve and cliff are gonna have to speak at the combine yep so everybody was saying oh this was a leverage play because you know press is coming

two days at the combine or whatever that was interesting it was interesting business that's how they described it by the way a business business has been done for a long time we'll get it figured out we'll get it figured out kyler working out with jj watt back in the building kyler putting arizona cardinal stuff back on instagram not at otas does he live in arizona full time about 40 minutes away reported news too that kyler wanted a deal done before the draft and obviously that didn't happen they picked up his fifth year option what do we know about reported news anymore okay true honestly reported news is very fast in our world i'm not getting into the real world i assume there are people that have their own thoughts on that entire thing i am not

the right person to do that. I thought for sure, my understanding, and we cover this day to day, so we have to kind of snoop literally at everything and anything, which is pretty time consuming, but also a lot of fun, and we're lucky to have this job. But we're snooping around. It sounded like the Dan Snyder vote was actually happening,

and this came a couple weeks after Papa John got on a goddamn podcast and was like, hey, better ingredients, better pizza, less mic time for the boss. that's the next plan next time you know like that's basically what he said and then he went on to say that yeah jay and dan snyder they called me with the pepsi company's uh president they're like hey you're our two biggest sponsors you guys go you guys get fucking goodell out of here okay get him absolutely out of here we need? Get him absolutely out of here. We need to fire him immediately.

And Papa's just saying this on a podcast, and everybody takes everything that Papa says with like a, who's Papa John? Yeah, who's his clown? Let's remember. Let's remember it's Papa John. Does he have a loyal group, though, that still follow him? I don't know.

He's getting asked to be on podcasts. Yeah? I don't know if he, I don't know how that worked out. Who knows? He's got a bazillion dollars. I assume don't know how that worked out. Who knows? He's got a bazillion dollars. I assume he can just disappear. Who decides to have a vote? Do we know?

Yeah, well, it would be... Doesn't one person just bring it to a vote? Who can call it? Who can call and say, okay, we're going to vote to boot this? So after watching Succession, there is a lot of different ways that those votes of no confidence and other things can happen, right? Because they can technically be outside the room but those can be glass walls yeah and they could just be staring directly over the shoulder of everything that's going on because if it's in the one per

club meeting where it's only the you know decision makers and roger goodell reported yesterday at the league meetings that he has um he has heard nothing about the dan Snyder vote out or whatever. He said, asked about the possibility owners would remove Commander's owner Dan Snyder from the NFL. Roger Goodell has said, I'm not aware of that at all. Roger Goodell knows that he can say something that contradicts himself two months from now because that has certainly happened in the future, in the past, because things could change in the future.

But I don't know if he would go that strong on that answer if it was actually happening. A lot of people were saying that he's lying, that that probably is happening. I feel like with the way Roger has been known to speak in the past, he would have danced around that a little bit more. Don't you think, AJ? Yeah, maybe. But first off, he's not under oath. He's allowed to lie and say whatever he wants. That can absolutely happen.

But he said, I'm not aware of those votes happening is it possible that he says like he like plausible deniability hey don't tell me like don't tell me about certain things ah and it's only the owner's votes anyways it's not commissioner's vote so maybe after the vote is finished just it's way better for him yeah it's way easier for him to not know until i guess something's final yeah because you can just plead ignorance. Literally. He can go under oath. He can say, I had no idea.

I had no clue this was happening. And he is a rep. We always say it. He's representing 31 billionaires. In this case, he would be doing just that. Hey, here's what we did. Now, you go tell people why. Hey, here's what happened.

Good luck. Hey, here's what happened. Good luck. You're taking all of the hate in the absolute flames that are about to come from all of us. Good luck out there. We'll pay you $60 million, though. And you'll get free peanut M&Ms every draft night. Okay?

No problem at all. You'll get to do that. So you're 100% right. That definitely could be the case. And that could be happening right now, I guess, right? You would think, yeah. man yeah i just what if could someone have a follow-up question say well okay you're not aware of it but have you heard any have you talked to any owners about like have you heard anyone bringing this up as a possibility have you investigated how that would

actually work since it hasn't happened in the past can you lay out the process of what would have to happen for that to take place has Has that not happened? Have they never voted anyone out like that? I don't think so, no. I do not vote. How'd they get, oh, they got Carolina's, he just resigned, right? Yeah, sold the team. Could they, I mean, I guess what would happen is they would just, a forced resignation, right? That would be like what I heard

other schools used to do. If they wanted a guy who was on scholarship, not on the team anymore, so they get their scholarship back, but they don't want to be the people who was on scholarship, not on the team anymore, so they get their scholarship back, but they don't want to be the people that cut the scholarship, they would just run them for six, seven hours.

So they quit. Hey, you want to keep going? Yeah. Or you just want to kind of leave. That'd be pretty easy. I wonder if in that one per club meeting, they're like, we're going to go around the room and we're going easy. I wonder if in that one per club meeting, they're like, oh,

Dan, we're going to go around the room and we're going to say every piece of information that we have about you that we will leak. Okay. To whoever. That'd be tough. Yeah. Then I think he just,

all right, thanks guys. Do you want to sell the team or where do you want to? Okay. Thank you. That's what we thought. Have a good one. That's just like running a guy until he says,

I'm out of here. It's like, is that happening happening that would be banana land but you have to assume with that much money with how big the league is with how much bigger they want to get like those are probably some pretty ruthless conversations happening in there aj so too much money too many lawyers so many gigantic corporations involved i love that we're getting all of this and you get so juiced because you watch the show succession that's why i can see your brain just like you just you're getting you're putting each owner as a different character in the show i can see bro kendall roy coming out and saying yeah 375 fuck a million just like i said on the quarterly

earnings call that everybody tried to report and refute and whatever. No. $375 fucking million. Invest in Fox now. What are we? Tom Brady's coming on board. Just like I fucking said, that is the right thing. I just think about that with everything now. Yeah, just that soul family. Yeah.

Because all the owners of the NFL, at their buildings, they are Logan. Yeah. They are L to the og yeah with billion dollars in business billions and billions of dollars in business hundred million dollar deals with numerous people that have to be negotiated and have to be you know the stadium contracts with local government have to be free i mean there is some real like super business shit that has to take place from that. Then they go to a meeting where it's all of those people and they're supposed to work with each other on who has the best ideas for the greatest league of all time. I couldn't even fathom how contentious it gets in there. There has to be some people that just giant ego.

Imagine the egos that are in that room. Imagine if you do have the best idea. imagine if you do have the best idea. Imagine if you do have the best idea. Like hindsight will tell us that my idea would be the best idea. I'm one of the owners. And I go in there and like five people just absolutely murder it. And like I believe in it. I've had a lot of success in my business.

I think this would work. Fuck you. No, fuck you. Bury it. Do something else else doesn't work it'd be hard not to go back in there why are we listening to this motherfucker again yeah like how does that and they always are so tight i don't understand i honestly wonder how publicly don't you think they i am sure they talk about that like hey we can do we can say and do whatever

we want in here no hard feelings whatever it's all business but when we leave this room we have to show like a united front because the players i'm sure they say hey the players would love for us to split up and start fighting like if owners start fighting other owners then things could you know players would find a way to wedge their way and get some more power so i'm sure they have to do that that's why when mark davis was sitting down in his starter jacket with a backpack on on a chair yep and he said something that was different than what two other owners said it was like oh wait a minute yeah are they about to crap nope they went right back into the

room we're like stand up the next time you're fucking shut up go ahead don't you think owners probably before the one per club if they do have an idea um they run it by like other owners before they go into the meeting to gauge the temperature they have to right have a little focus group like they go into the meeting knowing like oh 10 guys are at least

on my side I could probably sway another 10 and then you know we see how we go it's politics that's what politics is it's what you do

well you know Shiv and Romulus normally on the same side yeah Romulus like House of Cards even though. To go to that show, that's kind of how they do it.

They do it all behind the scenes. But with the Commanders. Succession has really blown my mind. I'm like, who have I talked to? I think I've talked to somebody that had that role at one job. I fucking know Krause and Gregg. Oh my God. I have met three of those WOMS games from different businesses.

It's like, okay, all right. Is this a documentary or not? I don't know. This is much like winning time. I'm kind of viewing this thing as, oh, this is definitely how it all goes. Because it makes too much sense, which is why the show is so goddamn good. But now that we are actually in that business kind of, and I have to talk to those people, it's like, it's hard not to view you as fucking Kendall Roy.

I am so sorry. It's hard not to do it. I'm sure you're a better rapper. I don't know if that's the case, but it is. It's wild how these big businesses have to operate because they're all it feels like they all come from the same neighborhoods and communities. They've known each other basically their entire lives. It feels like for a lot of people, new money communities. They've known each other basically their entire lives, it feels like, for a lot of people. New money come in and really rattle shit up, right?

New money comes in and normally a problem in a lot of these convos. Some fucking tech guy. But so many of these people have known each other since they were children, I think. And it's like they get so pissed off at each other, but they just are kind of inundated with it all. That, yeah, this is just kind of how you do business. Yeah, I'll get fucked over and then next week, wait wait we'll fuck over that person and screw that person next time and yeah i'll get fucked and my opinions don't matter but we're all in the way it goes it feels like that is really what happens at that upper echelon of people and now that i'm watching i

feel like i'm learning a lot more and probably gonna be better at business with those folks if i had to guess i mean just look at at the Colts and the Patriots. I assume Jonathan Kraft, who's going to take the team over after Bob Kraft, his son, has probably known Jim Irsay since they've known the Colts this entire time. Those families really do kind of come up with each other. The Irsay daughters are about to – All the Roonies. I mean, pretty much.

The Roonies, yeah. The Maros. This isn't how your father would have done business. Exactly. I remember when your dad sat down right there and pitched. Think about that with the old school owners. But the old school owners, I think, are the ones who are getting most of the shit done, right? Isn't Jerry Jones known as being one of the most influential owners in that entire building?

Oh, yeah. And that's another family. Like, add? Isn't Jerry Jones known as being one of the most influential owners in that entire building? Oh, yeah. And that's another family. Like, add Jerry Jones and Steven Jones. Like, there's so many of that, it feels like, in the NFL. So, like, when you do watch Succession, and I think it's season two or season three, when they're trying to do the buyout with the other family who's basically just the exact same as the Roys. Like, that is how it feels like, at least, it works.

By the way, I got a little contentious. Very contentious. All right. Pooping in beds. Really? Never heard. Never heard. No, no.

Pooping in their own bed. That's back. I saw Johnny was on the stand. All right. Really? Yeah, today. I don't know if it was. I think it was live.

Yeah. There was a guy doing weird mouth stuff on the stand. That was Amber's psychological doctor. For her. Yeah. This is a $150 million thing though, right? Yeah. What are the lawyer fees going to be? Are you kidding me? This is a long trial, man. Six weeks, they're saying?

It was last week. They had a recess in it. Oh yeah, it took a little break. This is the longest public thing that we have seen since what, OJ? Oh yeah. Maybe. I don't know. Jody Arias? Casey Anthony? Casey Anthony. Oh, Casey Anthony.

I remember that. She was the Ohio lady, right? Florida, I think. Right? Florida. She was a Notre Dame fan. I remember that. She's a lot of Notre Dame.

She allegedly... Yes. But everyone... Yes. Killed her baby. Right. Who was her lawyer? Jose Baez. Yes. But everyone killed her baby. Right. Who was her lawyer? Jose Baez. Yes.

Then she blamed her dad at the trial. You guys remember that? Add this to the strength. This is right down his alley. He gets a lot of those clients. I know the people that will defend some of those people, I guess.

But Jose Baez was in Columbus defending a guy here, some doctor just recently. Wow. We know Columbus. Oh, yeah. We know the – Aaron Hernandez. Grace Tytan. Oh, yeah.

He got Hernandez off the second round. Remember, I thought he was coming out of jail and back in the NFL. Yeah. Should have. Honestly, there was a moment there where A.H., as Tommy Curran called him, where might you see the second coming of A.H.? On the field.

On the field. Tommy Curran. What a guy. I thought he was going to be back in the NFL. I thought there was a chance this guy's back in the NFL. I remember being a time. I don't know. Was I playing at the time yes

yeah you thought they'd just forgive the first murder conviction no i thought he was going to get i thought he's going to appeal all of them and get off he was going he wasn't at the plan to go on to the next one right yeah and that i think that human you're talking about what's his name yeah i think people were telling me i didn't do my own research this is terrible i shouldn't do it this is what would go on to be the problem on the internet this happened in real life people were telling me that this guy got like yeah casey anthony off and got this wrong and just got aaron hernandez off i'm like oh this guy gets everybody off he must know the cheat code on getting people off whatever it is if aaron gets off and this was i think training room conversation with this was

i was probably rehabbing something and this was all taking place i'm like you're telling me that some owner somewhere aaron hernandez gets all of these things reversed has zero bodies on his record you don't think some owner will be like fucking guy still got i mean his knees are probably better than they've ever been i'm thinking they're gonna the nfl will not allow that to happen they will not allow that to happen i'm like if he has zero guilty charges which i i thought that jose guy uh would end up doing because that's kind of how it was being laid out i think he i think he would have got a job somewhere if he was that good at football be who you can afford to be literally a innocent former guilty murderer would have been in there and then he killed himself everybody's

like do you feel like an idiot now he had so much guilt that he killed these people that he did and you were fucking saying he was coming back the other day'm like whoa I didn't I've never met a h what do you want from me I I got kind of attacked and that's how I remember this whole thing that guy gets everybody off though right seems like it yeah he seems to that's why they keep hiring him and he's is he with Johnny right now or no I don't think he's no I don't think he's Johnny this isn't criminal this is civil yeah Johnny oh Johnny. Yeah. This shit's long. This. It's been on the internet, it feels like.

I mean, especially in internet years. Is it a work? This is not a work. This is. I don't think so. Johnny's not going to get the money that he's trying to get. I have not followed it closely enough. I'm sure it's for his reputation. He doesn't want to be known as an abuser.

So that's why he's doing it. But still. I did see that Johnny's trying to get Amber's reverse, whatever it's called, lawsuit dropped. Countersue. Jesus. And I don't think Amber's going to do it. I'm pumped that my internet, my algorithm,

it will now because we're talking about it and we're giving so much information. So my phone, it's probably. Did you hear? I can already feel it going, hey, it's got a lot to show you. It has stayed out of my algorithm pretty good. That's very good. It has stayed out of there because I do know it has taken over your life almost outside the show.

I'm watching. Zito is all in on this thing. There's a new theory too that Johnny Depp is dating one of his lawyers, Camille. That's for sure. Here we go. Yeah, that's real. What does dating mean? This is what happens.

They asked her. This is why generations will not take our generation as serious as yours. That's right. It's a real thing Zeke's saying.

That's a real thing. I think it was TMZ asked her while they were leaving the courthouse one day and she just giggled and kept walking. She said no comment? No, she didn't even

say no comment. Just laughed and kept walking. What does dating mean? To your dinner? No. and you kidding me it's johnny depp he's slaying obviously i mean he's not just taking her to dinner there's no way if something's happening correct it's not that she no no jesus christ they had a mega very accomplished lawyer though amazing lawyer camille yeah i mean this is a come I mean, it's a $100 million lawsuit. So, I would assume... You really are following this, huh?

Oh, yeah. I'm all in. I walk by him all the time, and he's watching, like, a 15-minute video on my lap. I literally tell him, I told Connor to keep walking. I'm watching something. That's real. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm watching here.

It feels like it's been for a long time. It has. Six weeks. That's forever. I hate to say it, but it's good entertainment. Six weeks is four years on the internet exactly like a six-week event i'm surprised that people haven't just said like all right fuck this like it's been going on season 50 probably are a little bit i think i just checked

i see every once in a while the highlight clips that's it geez it's still going though those clips are still rolling are we gonna say nick i was gonna say zito's interpretation of what is actually going on always deserves a little double check well that's do your own research what people say and what people hear always two different things joining us now this feels like a charity donation to us hell yeah there's only 32 of these jobs in the world biggest league on the planet. Highest rated league on the planet. Only growing and getting bigger. Only 32 people get to decide who is on a team, who is not on a team. Who gets a chance to chase a Super Bowl.

And this guy's been doing it in the desert for some time. At a very high level. With a roster that's stacked and what seems to be an owner that's ready to go all in. Ladies and gentlemen, the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals, Steve Kahn. What's up, man? Fellas, we're shaking. Hey, thank you for joining us. This is awesome. I mean, I know you're in the middle of a lot of shit, OTAs, league meetings.

The fact that you stopped by here, we're very appreciative, man. Yeah, absolutely. Always been a big fan of the program and excited to be on. Do you think the fact that you played football is like a massive advantage at the GM position? We were talking about you last hour, and obviously there ain't shit to talk about May 25th, 2022 in the sports world, the NFL world. But just thinking about you being a player and Cliff being a player, and it seems like you two have been kind of attached at the hip. Do you feel like that has affected and helped you in your role of GM? I think sometimes, Pat, and I would say it's more so in the locker room dynamic,

player evaluation side of it. I always sort of equate it to like a boxer. Like how can you describe what it feels like to get punched if you've never been punched? You know what I mean? So if you've been in the trenches and you've played with combination blocks and went to the second level and gotten your ass kicked from time to time, you know what it feels like.

And I think it helps you a little bit in the evaluation process to be able to, a lot of times guys are hard on players. And I think too hard, where there's too many of these guys playing in the NFL and you have to find something you like about their skill set. Wow. So do you think, like when someone is scouting people,

like say you send your scouts out to do reports on so many players, do you think, are you trying to encourage your guys, hey, show me like what's good in these guys, what I can do, what we could bring in and these guys, how they could value our team instead of just knocking them. I feel like that's kind of a good point. All we do is try to figure out what someone's weaknesses are yeah yeah and that's what i try to tell our young scouts all the time uh that board goes fast and the aj hawks are gone

by the 15th pick so you have to as as you get to the second and third round um guys have holes and you got to find what you like about those players whether it's their mentality their toughness um tackling in space whatever it may be you got to hang your hat on something. And to me, that's where the really good evaluators in our business sort of make their hay is in those middle to later rounds where they can find those gems. I think you also, because you're a former player, you're okay with, hey, let me go get an established player. Like I'm all right with getting an established player because I think a lot of players have seen, you know, there's a lot of guys that try to make the NFL and it doesn't work.

There's a lot of hype that comes with a lot of guys. For whatever reason, it doesn't work in the NFL, whether it's the money, playing against grown men, whatever the case, being a full-time job. Some people just don't transition. You guys have been in the veteran market a little bit here over the last couple years. How much fun has that been? And I the owner this uh the son uh charlie no michael yeah michael

michael michael yeah michael bidwell now the new owner it feels like he's like hey whatever you need to do however you want to do it this has to be like a dream situation right especially with your football iq and your knowledge over there no doubt i mean you know to work for a guy that's just passionate uh he grew up around the game i mean he was a guy that was um you know cleaning up jock straps in training camp when he was a kid um his stepfather bill was the owner and uh he just gets it and he is extremely aggressive um when we talk about going to get players obviously you've seen the the videos before he'll fly his plane and go get them. And it's, it's great to have that kind of a passion again, and a guy who comes to the office every day.

So it's been fun. Plus I live in paradise. I mean, you know, being a P being a PA guy, a lot of the friends back home are like, you look, you like it out there in that Arizona.

I'm like, like it. I should, I haven't shoveled snow in 25 years. You know, that round mound, AQ Shipley says the same thing. You know, I'm like, like it. Shit, I haven't shoveled snow in 25 years. You know that round mound A.Q. Shipley says the same thing. I'm like, you're soft. You're living out there in the desert or whatever. He says, call me soft.

This fucking place is the best place on earth. He's the reason why I went out there a few times. I love Phoenix. How much of that are you selling to players when you're trying to get them to join the Cardinals? Because right now it feels like we're entering an era where it's almost free agency for some of these vets phoenix feels like a desirable place for a lot of guys you have to know that and acknowledge that right no question and that's that's a built-in um you know uh advantage that we have i mean we know some of these cities have to pay guys to say yes we don't have to we can get some

of the guys doing one-year deals that are trying to make it and try to prove what their worth is. Yesterday we signed Darrell Williams, a running back from Kansas City. Hey, there we go. There we go. Hey, there we go. And then, you know, guys like J.J. Watt. Just go down the list of the players that have come out here

who have fallen in love with the Valley. Again, it's a tremendous place to live. I mean, being from PA, man, I feel like I'm on vacation every day. Well, you got a good tan. Hey, the head looks good. You know what I mean? The head, they've got a good place to live. I mean, being from PA, man, I feel like I'm on vacation every day. Well, you got a good tan. Hey, the head looks good. You know what I mean? The head, they've got a good tan on there. You got a good, you know.

The thing is, every time I watch your show, I have hair envy because I look at a Boston Connor and I love that mullet. Oh. Thank you, Steve. Look at that. I appreciate that. Hey, you could grow the opposite, I think, right? Could you right now?

You could get the. Oh, yeah. It would be the Costanza deal. All right. Let's talk about the roster that you have you guys were able to make a trade on draft night that nobody knew about that was allegedly in the works for a couple weeks how did that play out how did nobody find out about that and was it accurate that that deal would have not worked if anybody would if it would have got public? How many people knew, and why did you say, we need Hollywood on our squad? Yeah, as far as I knew, it was myself, Eric DaCosta, the GM of the Ravens, their owner, and our owner.

And I think it goes back to the less people that know, the less chance it has to get out. In today's day and age, that's pretty rare, as you know. So, you know, the trade made a lot of sense for a number of reasons. For us reasons for us obviously is wanted to get another deep threat a guy who can take the top off the defense a thousand yard receiver and then obviously the built-in chemistry that already has with our quarterback speaking of your quarterback let's do it hey eric burkhart two days before you got to hit a press conference at the combine releases, releases a great piece of content. Not a screenshot of the notes section. Actually had a header and everything in there.

Laid out what Kyler has done for the Cardinals, what they're expecting for the Cardinals, what the Cardinals can do to make said letterhead go away. Then you answer and Cliff answers and says, hey, business, we'll figure it out. Instagram. Kyler takes off. Hey, he took off fucking everything he had of the Cardinals.

We had to cover it, day-to-day conversation. We're like, oh, well, this is obviously becoming something. He's not at OTAs now. So now the full conversation is that Kyler Murray led Arizona Cardinals, have been very successful. Obviously, you've been leader of the Cardinals at the same exact time. You guys have said he's our future quarterback. He's our future quarterback. He's in our plans. He's electrifying. We all know that. Where does

that stand? And do you just assume that that'll get figured out business, like businesses in the NFL? Yeah, I mean, I just think it's a timing thing, Pat. It's, you know, every quarterback that's done it before has done it from anywhere from July to September. And no different for us. I mean, I have to get prepared for the NFL draft. That requires a lot of hours of tape watching, free agency at the same time. And it's not easy. So your time is really taken up in a lot of different directions.

And you have to prioritize it. And we know that he's under contract for another year and also the fifth-year option. And he is our future. We feel that way strongly. And I feel like we'll be able to get something done this summer i think like i know i am i'm not aware of how often people can talk when it comes to you being the gm and someone's agent for someone like kyle who said is your future is it something where when you are in a situation like this do you guys talk daily weekly

like do you go long chunks of time how does that work yeah i think whenever the conversations and i would say the negotiations ramp up you you talk on a daily basis back and forth um i have a good relationship with with his agent eric burkhardt he also represents cliff which is a little unusual i know um but you guys are deal makers you guys are getting deal done but pat as big as a wrestling fan as i am and congrats on WrestleMania, I was thinking maybe you set up a cage match between me and Burkhardt. Yes! Hey, I got... Hey, listen, I don't know what the letter will look like that he'll write afterwards

from the hospital, but I got a feeling you will beat the fuck out of me. Good luck with that negotiation. I think everybody in the NFL is looking on because he is obviously a phenomenal talent. How do you guys take that next step, you think? Because the NFC West, hey, fucking problematic. I guess the NFL, you're always going to have to beat the best, yada, yada, yada.

The NFC West is loaded, though. You guys have to know that. What do you think it's going to take to take the next step? And what have you seen from the team that's like, yeah, we're going to get there? I think it's just putting the second half of the season together and not playing with complacency. Being able to play consistent football throughout the season. Last year, we started off seven and O as everybody knows. And down the stretch, we didn't play well. And it was a number of reasons, whether it was penalties, errors, guys that we missed being

hurt, but you can't make injuries an excuse. So I would just say this, that we have to continue to put it together. Every year, Kyler's continue to grow and get better as a quarterback. And I wouldn't expect anything different. Cliff Kingsbury seems like a G man. I mean, he's the coolest guy on earth. He has an incredible house. You guys have hard knocks coming to town. I assume he's going to become, Oh, could you imagine how big of a superstar Cliff Kingsbury is about to come? He's about to become this whole thing. Why are you guys a perfect fit? And when you hired him, I remember everybody burying you for hiring the USC offensive coordinator for three weeks. The guy just got fired after losing to Baylor in the Texas shootout.

Right. No, Cliff is, he's as good as advertised. Easy going, sharp guy, obviously a great play caller. You know, it's tough for me because i have to stand beside the guy and obviously and i tell people all the time when bruce arians was my coach i look much better uh yeah cliff kingsbury doesn't know what a filter looks like never no he's never had to slide anything there's a couple of foxes one of those never ever had to figure out the filter uh ty schmick go ahead steve, it looks Kyler's going to be around. He's your quarterback of the future.

But I can't remember the last time a guy was picked in the first round in both sports. Was there ever any sort of concern like, hey, if this isn't a smashing success right away, this guy might go play baseball? Well, I mean, obviously, he has that opportunity because of his skill set. But, you you know on the time uh when we went to norman oklahoma and we visited with kyler uh made it pretty clear that football was his passion and his love um and as well as you know when you do these things and it was so important to get his contract done before we drafted him with the first pick is to make sure

you have some language in there protects yourself from the baseball um so there's a number of different reasons why I think he'll continue to play football. I don't know that he'd be really excited to get on the single-way bus driving from Harrisburg to Shemokin, PA. He's a great video gamer, though. Have you ever played any

video games against him? What is your relationship like with the players? Are you in there? Are you in the locker room? Are you working out? I try to get around. I gravitate towards the Hogs a little more generally, the AQs of the world like with the players? Are you in there? Are you in the locker room? Are you working out? Do you, are you? I try to get around. Yeah. I mean, you know, I gravitate towards the hogs,

you know, a little more generally, the AQs of the world and Justin Pugh's and those kinds of guys. But no, I, I, I love to have a relationship with them all. And I like to ask questions because my thing is,

is I see things through a certain lens and Pat McAfee and AJ Hawk sees it differently. And I, I appreciate that. And I can learn from it. You know, that you guys see things differently and see it different from a player's perspective. So I like to take, especially the guys I respect, I like to take a lot of that information in and use it to my advantage.

Hate or love Hard Knocks coming. We just talked about Cliff Kingsbury becoming a superstar. Hate or love it? Hate it from the standpoint I'm going to have to get on the elliptical a lot i'm gonna have to cut the pizza down i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to get in shape to do this hey throughout that season too i mean it's only thanksgiving then there's i mean there's a lot of i know yeah yeah i know they do such a great job of telling the story like last year with the colts i was watching along it was great to be back in the building, but obviously the Colts don't have success.

And there's that hard knocks curse in old school football people. It's already hard enough to win games. I think it's great for the brand of the Cardinals, which I feel like you guys do conscientiously think about. Yes, I think it's obviously great for the brand. I think it's great telling the story about our players and different staff members

that I think are so gifted and talented. And I don't think it ever hurts to put an extra camera in somebody's face to try to get the best out of them. Oh, because they feel obligated. You know, it's no different from like if an NFL scout walks out to practice, the pace and the tempo might be a little bit better. You know what I mean? Because guys want to look good on TV. Yeah, you're going to do what is right. is right like for instance there is not a single time where i'm in a public bathroom where i don't do a full wash my hands wash my hands because there's somebody's watching me at all times and i'm like all right can't be noticed the guy just goes and pisses and doesn't wash his hands have to i act like a better human because i think the person that was pissing next to me is watching me.

That's what you're saying with hard knocks. You're going to get the perfect versions of people. How did they lose to Clowntown last year? How? Can't have it. It's not about me. That's impossible. Anyways.

Accountability helps accountability. I think so. And what is the culture over there? It feels like got a lot of cool dudes. And I remember. It's good. Yeah. Is that something? A nice mixture of veterans, young guys. I've enjoyed that because generally, and Bruce Arians taught me this, when you have enough young guys around the real veterans that can really play, those guys early in their career learn how to be pros, usually by Thanksgiving of their rookie year because they watch all the other guys lead and work and how they prepare so that's why having jj watt around and bringing him out of the frozen lake he was in in wisconsin that off season where there was no leaks at all

like that's a great pick a pickup for everybody right not just he's unbelievable yeah because he grabs everybody and he makes him go work with him i, the guy's in here at like 530 in the morning and spends basically the full day here. J.J. Watt. Every day. That's J.J. Watt. He's also golfing out there, which you guys can also sell. I mean, his golf photos. Oh, my God.

I feel like he's in four different, like, planets. There's like the greenest grass and there's a goddamn mountain. Then he's playing in the middle of a desert. It's like, where are you? Oh, this is just Arizona. I'm like, fuck. Of course. That place seems amazing.

Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Steve, do you feel as though your GM style has kind of changed since when you first started doing it? Just because, you know, you added Nuke, A.J. Green, Erdster in the season last year, now Hollywood Brown. Is it way less building through the draft than it is today, you think? I think that's a great question. I think partly adding the veterans and making some trades that you feel like are impact trades

are something probably that I've gotten, I would just say, more excited about because of the fact that drafting players is always forecasting. You don't have to forecast with J.J. Watt or DeAndre Hopkins or Chandler Jones or Carson Palmer, who I traded for my first year. You know what they can do on the field. It doesn't mean that it makes you a great team. I mean, obviously, you develop talent and you put a roster of good players in a locker room, but chemistry is a big part of it. And you guys know that. And until you come together as a team, as one, it really doesn't matter. How do those big trades start?

Like you mentioned Carson Palmer. I would imagine, like, do you just make a call? Do you send a text? Like, do you send up months in advance? Like, how does all that work? You know, some of the whispers start, AJ, and you call the Raiders and see if he would be, you know, really available. A lot of times agents will give you a heads up that the team is,

is willing to trade a guy for the right compensation. So Bill O'Brien and I worked on the DeAndre Hopkins deal during the pandemic, which was a little unusual, but they're, they're, they're fun conversations to have. Jeez. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

Whenever the entire universe goes, they just got D-Hop for a bag of balls. Like that has to be the ultimate compliment as a GM. Oh, yeah. Like that's the best compliment as a GM that you could potentially have. And D-Hop, obviously, and Diggs just texted me about this literally right now, and I apologize for doing this, Diggs. You wanted to bring it up, but it's a great conversation right now. He changed your team immediately.

Felt like him and Kyler had a connection like that. What great find it's a great conversation right now he changed your team immediately felt like him and kyler had a connection like that what great find what a great deal what a great addition to your team felt like he fit it culturally shifted everything uh took over almost games were just like hey that the largest hands in football will go get the ball kind of love them as soon as he gets hurt okay the whole team looked different. The vibe looked different. The on the field looked different. I assume behind the scenes felt different. That was in the most important time of football that you've already chatted about.

You miss him now because of the suspension. It's a two-parter. Were you surprised by the suspension that it came, or did you know about does the league keep general managers and such informed? And is that why the Hollywood-Br Brown trade is such a big deal? Because as soon as you lost D-Hop, your team looked completely different. I think the process of him getting suspended, that's something that wasn't effectively done until about a week after the draft.

But the Hollywood Brown trade, really, at the end of the day, we felt like we wanted another game changer, another guy who can take the top off the defense. And I think the one thing about hollywood brown is again having that relationship with kyler for me you know getting a guy under two years of controlled costs because i think his salary is about to be two million this year we exercise this fifth year option and maybe like 13 million so you have two years of controlled costs and these receiver salaries are getting out of whack as you can see they're getting extremely high, and to be able to get a guy under controlled costs for two years

is extremely beneficial for us. As you saw, we lost Christian Kirk to the Jaguars, so wanted to find another guy that can be dynamic and play inside and out. Hey, Christian Kirk, you should have bid. Weren't you thinking about outbidding the Jags here? Yeah. Hey, that started everything. Christian Kirk should feel very good about what he did for the business of wide here? Yeah. Hey, that really, hey, that started everything. Christian Kirk should feel very good

about what he did for the business of wide receivers. Yeah. Honestly. That became a, absolutely. No doubt.

That is, he looked, but hey, Christian Kirk is a great guy. Like, really one of the best guys around. He is not only from Arizona, which was hard to lose a guy like that

that's from your hometown, but he is a quality human being. Great player. And the Jags are like, hey, we need you in here to reestablish whatever the hell we're going to do. And that's a good deal. But it did set in motion all the other – Devontae and Tyreek and now Debo and AJ. I mean, there has been a full – it has happened with the wide receivers. You're going to have to deal with that, huh?

You're just going to have to ride the flows of the market is at every position right because it feels like salary cap is only going this way okay salary cap's only going this way with maybe apple getting involved yeah maybe who knows who else getting involved there's gonna be a lot of money i feel like every position is gonna go do you guys just have to ride the market and ride the waves or how do you set that i would say this too that the one thing that's interesting that people probably don't talk about enough is your drafting trends. And I started to think about, you know, when you're drafting players and you're building your board, putting more of an emphasis on those positions that are almost impossible to sign the second contracts, the corners,

the left tackles, the, you know what I mean? Putting more of a emphasis on those spots, just because they are so hard to not only keep but to pay that kind of money. It feels like the last few years the wide receivers coming into the NFL have been more NFL ready than they ever have been in the past. Seven on sevens and all the years of content. You think that is going to be a continued trend here? I don't think there's any question. I mean what was it this year? We were at 23 and we sort of anticipated the board going like it did. I think it was five receivers taken before the 23rd pick. It's only going to keep doing that.

You think, huh? Yeah, I think so. I do. Cause the one thing about it is, and then here's my opinion about this is there's, there's such a limited amount of talent in corners that now all of a sudden

you have three and four wide receiver teams that have explosive missing talent. Like I feel like we do when you get down to your third and fourth corner, it's a complete mismatch. Yeah, you've got to have like six corners. You've got to have six members in the secondary that can really lock down, especially in the important games. So that's what you're saying about the draft emphasis on corners and wide receivers and

left tackles. It's a transition, isn't it? And as being an old meathead, it feels like the game is wide open. Is it cyclical, or do you think this is going to be the game now with the way the rules are? It's constantly evolving and changing. I would say the rules are good for the athletes because it protects them a little more.

Now, the odd thing is being a guy that played in the offensive line, to see a player went through college for four years and never once gotten a three-point stance, that's pretty odd. You get pissed, I bet. You get absolutely furious. It doesn't make me happy. Go ahead, AJ. Steve, when you think back before you drafted Kyler,

how early on did you know, hey, 100%, this is the guy? So, you know, obviously making that decision after having a coach for one year, a quarterback for one year, and taking him in the top ten, it was difficult because, you know, your ego him in the top ten, it was difficult. Because, you know, your ego gets in the way and you don't want to admit to a mistake. Yet at the same time, you know, it's those opportunities in life when you have to take some risk. And when has anybody ever become rich not taking risks? You know what I mean?

You got to be able to put them out there to get something going. And I just, I was watching Nick Bosa left and right. And I fell in love with him. And next thing you know, I didn't even want to watch something going. And I just, I was watching Nick Bosa left and right, and I fell in love with him. And next thing you know, I didn't even want to watch Kyler. And I started watching him against Alabama in the second half. He, like, launched 165 off his left foot, and it looked like a shortstop throwing somebody out at home. And it just, perfect pass, touchdown.

And I'm like, oh, shit, I got to take this guy. I don't know how many humans can do this particular move right here. And then there's always been the flashes of like, oh, this guy is the next guy. This guy is the next guy. I would assume as you guys chat, he has to be like, is he taking massive steps? Does he know that, hey, he can be the fucking guy? Like, I've never chatted with him really more. Do you get a sense that Kyler knows that he can be the fucking guy?

Because everybody on earth, I think, believes that right now. He does. And he's a football junkie. That's the one thing about him. He loves watching film of players. And he'll shoot me texts before the draft or we'll talk about guys that he likes. And it's exciting because, you know, to me, the great ones, the guys who are really bought in, really have that mindset.

They want to have other good players around them. They want to build something special. great ones the guys who are really bought in um really have that mindset that they want they want to have other good players around them they want to build something special and uh again i think he's that kind of guy great leadership i'm excited to see what you guys do with them long term last question here steve we can't thank you enough for your time go ahead steve there's been a lot of new gm hires in the last year or two um do you already know those guys like building relationships because they've been in the league for a while? And do you have to like immediately call them, congratulate them because you may be doing business with them soon? Yes. You know, generally I do know most of them.

There have been a couple of the last few years that have been hired that I wasn't familiar with. But you get to know them pretty quickly at owner's meetings and those sort of things. But it's interesting because it's a you know in this business it's it's constantly moving parts and uh it's like a turnstile for gms and it's getting harder and harder because people's expectations are so high that they don't want to hear about rebuild they don't want to hear so you have to make it happen now and if you don't you're going to be out of a job yeah it feels like you guys have taken that run with that and you're ready to go.

Can't wait to watch your team. Thank you for your time. Where are you at? Are you at the league meetings? Are you over there? Are you back in Arizona? No, I got back last night, so I'm in Arizona. Man, paradise over there, huh?

Cabo tomorrow. Oh, hell yeah. Good for you, man. Ladies and gentlemen, the Cardinal Steve Kahn. Thank you. So did Dan Patrick get an Emmy? No. No.

Actually, we had Schrager on, and there's a little bit of an Internet thing going about Dan Patrick's show still not winning an Emmy after all these years, and they definitely deserve it on their side. Now, also a fan of Rich Eisen and the Rich Eisen Show and Good Morning Football. So, a lot of tough shows to pick from.

Up to all weird. That's right. You know what they didn't talk about was apparently the massive audio issues they had at this point. That's right. Wait, there's an award show

where they do it? Yo. Are you nuts? Can you show the photo of Good Morning Football? Show the photo of Good Morning Football. They had a red carpet and everything. What are you talking about?

Everybody was stunned. I was thinking it was the Oscars, dude. Bro, people were stunting. Look at that. Dressed to the nines. Wow, okay. Everybody's there. Literally, he said everybody was there.

That they were in front of accepting the award, giving a speech for. That's awesome. I can really imagine us all traveling there and going and sitting in the audience aj aj what is a prestigious fucking award you hear no i know that's what yeah yeah yeah i bet i bet would never be near this building you know that bro you you didn't hear schregs in the first hour so you have no idea. He was out till 3 a.m. It's a big deal. 50 producers behind the scenes.

Did they not go on the air this morning? Schrags is a fucking gamer. He was on air this morning. He was in a mood too on the show. It was kind of nice. I enjoyed it. Our show, I mean. I'm happy they won though. I'm happy that they won. I think that show is obviously revolutionized everything. Aren't there other categories too though where Dan Patrick could have

won or whatever? Well, the Dan Patrick show. So Dan Patrick has won in the past, I do believe. The Dan Patrick show has never won and I think we can all say they've set a hell of a standard on daily show operation. You know what I mean? I mean the whole the Danettes crew, even though Peerloft is now with

Maggie. They still put in a lot of work, The Danettes crew, even though Peerloft is now with Maggie. Nick Lovin and Maggie. They still put in a lot of work, a lot of hours. But Good Morning Football has too. So who would we be to judge the winner and not the others? So I hope everybody wins. That's right. Next year. Even being nominated is a win. Yeah, true.

Getting to be in that building at that thing, what an honor. What an honor. Right? Yeah. I'm sure. I mean, we would fit right in. So yeah, I can't wait until next year. Imagine us getting nominated, which I think you have to submit yourself

for. Well, the networks have to submit, which we are not a part of one, so we would I would have to basically submit us in to win an award about ourselves. And everybody hears how I talk about this show. There's no way I'm going to say this should win an award.

This show should not win an award. But if we were nominated, okay, if we were nominated, think about how pissed I would be that we would have to fucking go to that thing. Oh, my. And show up probably like, hey, the show starts at 8. We're going to need you there at 315. To do what what i would love to watch your face yeah to talk to who well blah blah blah i hate that person no i'm not talking to that person what are you talking well we need need you here all day for the press beforehand as well it's like who are we what's

going on here are we definitely winning or we potentially well we can't give away the winners i'll tell you what you make me do this whole song and dance. And I don't win. We don't. Never coming back. I am. I'm not doing it. The question is, though, I want to see.

So whatever, say everyone submits themselves. They submit clips, right? The networks. The shows themselves, I don't think they do. Maybe some of the editors on the show cut the clips, but it's the networks that submit it all. Yeah, okay. I would like to compare the clips we would send in

compared to the other clips. That's what would be the show, I think. Us selecting which clips we should send in, that's a full thing in and of itself. Yeah. I mean, how do you do that? I think, obviously, we have to chat about you announcing that Aaron Rodgers is vaccinated the other day.

I don't know if they're going to be on board with that. No, I think that's... We got That's... No, that's good. Yeah. It's also the hardest part because as soon as the show ends, we have no idea what the hell we were just talking about. We're going to go into a zone for three hours and forget about everything. So I don't know how if it's even feasible because we wouldn't know

what we just talked about. Wild times. We ain't ever going to win one or be nominated. No. So everybody that is nominated, congratulations. Enjoy it. We ain't ever going to win one or be nominated. No. So everybody that is nominated, congratulations. Enjoy it. That's all. We'll never be there. No, maybe. I mean, maybe.

Maybe we would like it. Trey said it was a good time. That meal was probably pretty good, I would guess. What do we have to get all dressed up? Is it a full song and dance? Everybody got to wear a thing? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Sure looks like it. We can treat it like the Met Gala. I'm out. We can treat this like the Met Gala. Yeah. It's our Met Gala. Oh, is it We can treat this like the Met Gala. Yeah. It's our Met Gala. Oh, is it an old-fashioned fit-off? Is that it?

Is that what's happening, Gump? Sounds about right to me, pal. Yeah, it does. Sign us up. Sign us up. All right, I will next year. I'll try to, at least. I won't.

We'll see. There's zero chance of you doing that. I'm good. Not in AJ. I'd go dressed as a clown, though. Full garb. That's your fashion, though. Like John go dressed as a clown, though. Full garb. That's your fashion, though.

John Wayne Gacy? Oh, yes. From Waterloo, Iowa? No. What am I doing? Hi, I'm a Waterloo clown. Call me JWG. I don't think I'm going to do that now.

Why not? I thought that's what you were doing. Well, I guess when the first thought is John Wayne Gacy, I usually just say, okay, I just won't do that then. Well, you said Klon. Yeah, but Klon was the first one. Wait, balloons? Yeah. Well, I think John Wayne Gacy did do balloons. Oh, yeah, that's why I guess I'm out,

because I wasn't thinking about John Wayne Gacy. Balloon animals, yeah. Hey, how about you getting complimented by GM of the Cardinals about your bucket? Yeah, that was pretty cool. That is cool. It's awesome. I think he watches the show. Goop looks great today.

He does. He's got his hair did. That high lineup on your cheek. Last cut in America. Gotta try and look as good as possible these next few days, AJ. You need to look as American as you can, Goop. I don't know what that means. Nobody knows what the fuck's going on.

I got an email last night i'm more confused than ever this guy's in a blender he sent the email to me i was also in a blender who was the exact opposite what we were fucking told last week dude it's just it feels like these lawyers i don't know they like to gossip with each other these things these things i don't understand what What do you mean? Right. One lawyer has obviously just bobbled the entire thing this entire time.

Have they admitted it? No. Nor will they ever. What are you talking about? No. But we've paid them mightily. Not as much as AntSaint was making off our shit,

but we have paid them. We have paid them pretty mightily. Okay? They send us an update on what was supposed to happen. Something got lost in their files for two months. So there was a deadline that was missed by them. But this needed to be done like two months ago. Well, you didn't send it.

You literally didn't. And there's a whole trail of emails of when they were sent dates, deadlines, everything like that. So they completely fucked this up. Completely. And I should just say their name, but I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. Good vibes. Because who knows who's fault this was.

Maybe they have a lot of situations going on and they just fucked up. Whatever the case, they have screwed our guy here. So then we go to a new. We're like, hey, we feel like we're in the middle of this. We got to do this. What do you think we feel like we're in the middle of this we gotta do this what do you think we should do uh you might at this point uh the deadline when's the deadline like next week they're saying like it's next week uh maybe go back restart the process or whatever it's like well that's from the beginning is this going to be a whole thing yet no it'll be much

more efficient this time then last night an email comes he goes oh we don't know we don't know which group the new one the new one said maybe finish what you started with the old the good ones see what happened which by the way deadline coming very soon so we are sticking with the the old ones but there's a very good chance that nothing's gonna happen that deadline's gonna come and now gumpy's what A fugitive on the run? Like what the fuck, dude? Love that. I don't.

I don't like that at all. What are you, fuck? Yeah, I don't like that at all. What's that all about? Gumpy has been a champion gambler for us. Yeah. He's been a champion worker for us.

If he becomes an international fugitive too and you get fucking Interpol on his ass, you get some agents from Berlin over here to take him out. So I think next Wednesday is by the time he has to be home if this thing doesn't work or whatever. And by

work I mean I think they just have to file it with a brain I think. So there's a chance that he won't have to leave by Wednesday. Yes. There is a chance. Good. If history tells us anything about this particular set of lawyers yeah yeah but you're telling me there's a chance there is there is a chance the concern is if you saw the file that was sent in

the application for the visa you would know that there is no hope that this thing goes through it's almost like they botched it on purpose yeah and i'm conspiracy why well that's the thing they put his legal name as bubba gumpino my name is kyle gump on the application like it's not even that's not his real name so maybe i don't have to fucking leave because nobody knows i'm fucking here hold on just just a follow-up that's not real that's fucking real we don't find out about that until months later. That's fucking real, dude. Every email they've ever sent since Kyle Gump. I literally emailed them. I said, my name is Kyle Cathcart. You fuck.

And they say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck. And then we don't see the thing they sent until months later. Like, you actually filed that? Yeah. Yeah, it's Kyle Gump. That's all right. You're that Kyle Gump file?

It has been a full comedy of errors. That alone will mess the whole process up. I know. Yeah! My full name on my license is Aaron. If someone puts me in for a flight, like if I don't make a flight for some reason, they put in AJ, it throws a whole wrench.

I almost don't get on any flights. So they got the wrong name. They have no idea what deadlines are. And then they just say, yeah, we'll accept your check, though. It's been a fucking fool work. We got work. I mean, the wrong name.

That's a bit concerning. And then I'll stop finding out until, like, way after. What is Gump's name, by the way? Kyle. Kyle. Just said it. He likes Monster Energy drinks and riding dirt bikes. Fuck off.

Wait, what? Don't ever call me Kyle. You never sent, like, legal documents to these people? I sent them my fucking... You have to send your passport, dude. The start of the file is my password. It says my fucking name. And then the application says Kyle Gump right under the passport.

It is the most inept operation I've ever seen in my life. At least they got Kyle. They did. There's screenshots of my Twitter with fucking ads on it. Yeah, I mean, there's... For what reason? Because he...

To show what I do? To show that he is working. So now, not only is this company, these lawyers, not able to get his name right and we find out months later, they also have no idea what our business is.

And I don't think anybody in this particular field understands this business so it's like explaining the modern world to said people who then have to go pitch it to people that definitely don't know and then they just you know it gets lost in the files somehow it's like this has been a shit show. Train wreck. This sounds terrible and I don't want this to happen. We will miss you. But I think you going back and restarting this

whole process almost might be worth it with these fucking idiots that we've been dealing with this entire time and paying, which is a shame. Long run it is. Makes a lot more sense. It sounds like if you stay with these guys all you're basically doing is prolonging them being like absolutely not yeah because you can get an extendo we could probably get an extendo too on next week if we really wanted to i'd assume that's

kind of how everything works in that world but also like how much longer are we just kicking a can down the road and getting charged because if the application stinks the application stinks toxic relationship they ask for more information, but it's like, what are you going to provide? You couldn't even get my name right. Please. In fairness,

in my phone, he is Kyle Gump. Me too. My phone is Gump Canada. For me. Is he? Yeah. Never forget it.

Nope. In fairness, I don't know anybody's name on this whole show. True. There's a Gump Iowa too that's in your phone. It's different.

What's your say, you? The only name I'm confident with is yours that I know on this show. We know your name. Tone. Tone's name is Tone. Connor's name. Connor. Ty.

Ty. Nick. Frank. Okay. Zito. Zito Zito Nobody knew See, that's the thing

If Zito was trying to get into town from Canada, you know, and we had to unravel that story I feel like we'd be rather, you know, fuck this one, this guy painted ships for 16 years in the same town that he grew up in This is where he's from This is where he's at, check him out Fuck, this one, this guy painted ships for 16 years in the same town that he grew up in.

This is where he's from. Just fucking, this is where he's at. Check him out. COVID happened. Just let him in. Just let the fucking guy in. We're going to miss you, Gov. Nobody has any connections to Trudeau or anyone up there?

All right. Oh, there he goes. We did talk about, though, timing-wise, it's not as terrible as it could be because it's not football season yeah back before it sounds like if it was done properly from the beginning you should be able to be back before football season even though this one has taken a year and a half two years and that's the most important thing huh kovid did log jam everything though too that whole. That whole process. Yeah, big time. I told him not to use the typewriter. Yeah.

Just go to the phones. The typewriter's a problem. I mean, as soon as you put it in, you lose it. We're going to miss you, dude. You hear me, Gump? Miss you, Gump. It's a good run. It's a good run.

Love you, Gump. Love you, Gump. It's a necessity, though, so any shit we can do about it. So you're just going to make the most of it though it sounds like it downtown boys are in shambles the dtb does this new lawyer have like a high winning percentage is like is that a thing you can ask for so this new lawyer um was given to us by a much more reputable that's good human i believe okay i i don't think the person that got us this first one has been taking the task

quite enough. Oh, Gumpy's been licking his chops to do so. I mean, I'll say the word. I'll let it go. I'm just in my head. No, no, no, no, no. Send me a text, Goop. I mean, that's okay.

I can do it, all right. He will. All right. I mean, that's okay. We just can't get into that. I can do it, right? Well, no. I don't know, man. You can do whatever you want. You're part of the show, you know? Just don't steal our shit. You know what I mean?

I'm not going to do it. Just don't steal our shit. The thing for today, don't steal our shit. The thing for today, perspective. What are we dedicating your life to? What are you thinking about? What does the future look like? You know, shape all that stuff when it happens.

Stop stealing our shit. That's the show, I think. Good message. AJ, you have a motivational speech to give, or are you just going to sing Bye Bye Bye in the mirror like you were in college? I mean, I know. So if I was in the weight room in the middle of a performance of Bye Bye Bye and a big group of recruits walked in, I would definitely continue my performance.

Yeah, that's what he was saying. It did happen. Like I said, great song. Didn't happen. Wasn't me, but hey. Was it Bob? Was it Bob? Could have been Bob. It very well could have been, yeah. So you two both had long hair. He said I was deadlifting too at the time. Yeah, I mean, I don't deadlift too often.

I'm just saying. It just didn't happen. AJ didn't even put his hands up for Wiz Khalifa five feet in front of him. Yeah, I did. There's video proof. No. There's a photo. Get a screen grab.

No, yeah, that's what there is. There's a photo of you going, stop fucking. That's all you did. That's all you did. Because we're like, hey, lift your fucking. Hey, come on. Wiz Khalifa has told you directly, put your hands up. Put your hands up.

He wouldn't do it. Wouldn't do it. I did it. He also thought Maranci was going to take a swing out of when he came in so aggressively. AJ's reacting. Yeah, AJ just had to compliment the jacket 45 times. Yeah, that's it. I'm the only guy talking about. Look like Evel Knievel out there, man. Yeah, that's it. I'm the only guy talking about you.

You look like Evel Knievel out there, man. There it is. All right, we're out of here. Hammer Dines in 15 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer. Dine. Let's do one last phone call here on the phones. Let's go to Jake in Arizona. Jake, what's going on in the Fiverr Energy phone line?

All right, boys. How's it going? It's going. Hello? Oh, no. Yikes. We don't have time. Jake, great to see you.

Jake, great to see you, man. Great to hear from you over there in Arizona. We were singing the state's praises just a little bit ago. I hope you heard that. Steve Kime was awesome. I don't know if you're a Cardinals fan. Feels like everybody that calls into this show is from a place and they're not a fan of the team that they're a part of.

So I feel like they've been giving their takes for a long time against their friends that are fans of teams that's why they're more confident to call into shows and give their takes because they're used to the the natural give and take of it are you a cardinals fan in arizona or or are you not funny enough i am not and that's actually why i am calling in today shout out my boy don'tumpy back there. I feel bad to hear about the situation going on. Hope you're all right. How are you doing?

I'm representing the fish down in Miami, baby. Hey, here we go. Oh, yeah. 2023 Super Bowl champions coming up here. You like the Dolphins? You're happy with where they are? Hell, yeah, I'm happy with it. This growth we've seen the past few years and these acquisitions we've been making this offseason,

how could I not be happy with it? And especially after the announcement of the death of the Patriots, I mean, it's looking like smooth sailing we got here coming up, boys. That a baby Jake in Arizona talking about Tom E. Kern, boots on the ground in New England, saying, oh, 8-9. 8-9, does that mean the Dolphins are going to go? Tyree Kill was talking about two E. Kern, boots on the ground in New England, saying, oh, 8-9. 8-9. Does that mean that the Dolphins are going to go? Tyreek Hill was talking about Tua's passes yesterday, I believe, at OTAs.

Great quote, great clip. He kind of backed off at the end because it did, you know, sound like a lot of ball describing, and Tyreek Hill was like, hey, I love the guy, but let's talk about this football. Let's keep it in football. Here's what Tyreek Hill said about Tua. Remember, the reason why he's talking about this is because one of the first videos that was posted to the internet from the Dolphins was Tua appearing to underthrow Tyreek Hill

in practice. They could have been working on their timing. There could have been a strong headwind. There could have been a lot of things that went wrong, but the internet reacted exactly how the internet would always react in this situation. The Tua haters came out loud. Now Tyreek Hill is talking about his relationship with Tua, and this is what he had to say about his ball.

What do you think of the way the ball comes from in Tua? Lefty instead of righty, the Patrick Mahomes. I mean, it's nothing weird. At first I thought it was going to be something crazy, the ball going all over the place, but Tua actually has probably one of the prettiest balls I've ever caught in my life so it's very catchable I don't want to continue because the more I talk the more it sounds weird so Tua is a very active quarterback that's all I'm saying.

He's got great balls. Right in real time. That's my favorite part. So Tua is a lefty as opposed to Mahomes being a righty, so the ball turns over the opposite direction. Tyreek Hill, though, was a punt returner, so he's very used to this type of thing with a lefty punter and a righty punter. I assume the only thing they've got to get used to is the timing

and where the ball has to go. I see no reason why Tua and Tyreek Hill can't just continue to have the same success that Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill had, especially if McDaniel's going to be creative as fuck in the offense like Andy Reid did with Tyreek Hill. You had Waddle in there. Are you guys going to be a wagon, pal? It's exciting times.

It's sicky. Great player, obviously. Are you guys going to be a fucking wagon in Miami? It's time to go. I mean, most excited I've ever been about a Finns team in my life here. Hey, Tone, how do you feel about him saying it's the most catchable ball he's ever seen? It's the most catchable ball he's ever seen? It might be number

two because Nate Peterman throws the most catchable ball in the history of the NFL. It's fucking crazy. Was it six pick sixes in one half? No, it was five interceptions in a half. I don't think they all went back to the half or went back to the house, but also I'm not going to disagree with Tyreek Hill because he's fucking

yoked right now and I'm not going to disagree with him. Ty because he's fucking yoked right now. And I'm not going to disagree with him. Tyreek is? Oh, yeah. He's pictures on the internet yesterday fucking looking like Tebow when he showed up for Jags. Just look at his arms. Terrible tight end. Yeah, but hasn't he always? I thought he has always been rather yoked.

He even put a tweet out about it. Like, he was pumped about how he's looking. Oh, hey, I'm shredded right now. I think he said, do I look thick or did I put on? I don't know. I can't remember. I think the most impressive thing about Tyreek Hill, and this is going to be tough to do because he's the most explosive player

to ever play in the NFL. I believe that. I might be wrong. I know people talk about Randy Moss. Randy Moss, game changer, my favorite player growing up. Absolute superstar. Best wide receiver of all time. He and Tyreek Hill, vastly different football players.

Tyreek Hill can literally get out of a phone booth if he had to. best wide receiver of all time he and tyree kill vastly different football players tyree kill can literally get out of a phone booth if he had to not that randy moss couldn't but he just didn't do it whenever he was playing it was mostly him taking the top off of defenses tyree kills ability for the mid-range jumper all the way down to the go routes to the pre-snap things he's just he's incredibly impossible to keep up with. His durability with how explosive he is, with how quick he is, how fast he is, how many times he gets the ball, his ability to miss hits, how often he has played I think is very impressive to me because every once in a while you'll see him come up limp,

and it's like, well, with somebody that's that fast, that explosive, the style of running that he is, that has to be a hamstring. It has to be a quad, that has to be a hamstring, that has to be a quad, has to be something. He has somehow maintained health and continued to dominate in the style that he plays. I think that is one of the most impressive things in my eyes, personally. Oh, I think it's awesome. Like his durability, when he is, someone is that explosive,

you would think like, all right, he's going to have like hamstring, groin, like all these soft tissue things. Also like your ligaments sometimes, like when you're that explosive, a lot of times like humans aren't meant to move like that, like he can move. So your body, you know, falls apart. But this dude obviously is super tough and works his balls off. And it shows, I think, I love it. I think it's fun to see a guy as talented, as fun to watch as him, but also has that mentality. Like, hey, I'm not coming out, and I'm going to score every touchdown. Every time I touch the ball, I'm scoring.

I assume he put on weight for some reason. I assume he put on muscle for some reason. He had to think of something as he's getting older, like, hey, I might not be the 4'2 guy anymore. I might be 4'3, but there's going to be maybe some different things I'm going to do here, or maybe he just wanted to get fucking shredded,

which I respect, and I love both of them. I wish I could look like Tyreek Hill. I wish I could run. There it is. Yeah. Bingo. How cool would that be? I can't really imagine.

Other professional athletes. Like the best athletes on earth. Corners. Yeah. You know, the hardest position. You have to be the most athletic and everything like that. And he literally has gloves that is just the peace sign. Yeah.

Hey, I'm going to run rate fucking by you. There's people running four threes. He's just see you later. What a life that had to be. Think about growing up, especially in the world that we understand football is always races. Yeah. The person that's the fastest team, by the way, immediately popular, immediately the most pressure on as well, because at any given moment could get tried.

He's won them all throughout his entire career in both Little League, Pop Warner, Junior High, high school, college, the NFL. Anybody can fucking get it. He has to love practice, love conditioning situations. Just an absolute stud. Good for Miami, man. I'm fucking happy for you guys. I mean, Leckler, who kicked balls to the fastest people on the planet for 20 years, said, no, this guy, though, is much different.

Have you, hey, Pat, have you punted the fucking Chiefs yet? You guys played the Chiefs yet? No, that fucking guy is different back there now. Listen, you take the snap, you turn right to the sideline, and you punt that ball into the fucking stance, Pat. You hear me? That guy's different. That guy, I punt a ball, maybe one of my best balls of the year,

right on the ticks over there on the sideline. By the time I jog five yards down the field, that motherfucker was on the other sideline coming the other way. Fuck that guy, Pat. Kick the ball directly out of bounds with him. He's different. That was when I think the eye opened. Everybody respects this guy. He's still been able

to do it. Nothing but respect for his ability on the field, AJ. They talk about people that are sudden. He is so sudden, but he also has that straight line speed. The thing about him, he runs by dudes, but he can be running full speed it feels like absolutely come to a complete stop let guys run by him and then oh he's like playing games with

him and then there then he restarts again and he's at full speed within a half a step i feel well then he just runs out of bounds and then he like throws the ball the ref while looking at the people and then he's just never gets tired it looks like he jogs all the way back to the huddle he listens for like three seconds and then he jogs and then he's in motion then he does it again then he stops and he just like everybody's he's just jogging by him it's it's miraculous the athlete that he is that's why i don't know if even like the deep ball stuff really matters with tua like if you get him in mismatches anywhere like he he's the kind of guy who anytime he catches like a slant he could go score right which is what tua is yeah the rpl right right isn't that like Tua's thing?

Yeah. Get the ball to your playmakers in space. That's what McDaniel wants to do. Shout out to Waddle, dude. Fucking Waddle's a player. He's a stud. You guys on primetime games? How many primetime games for Miami?

No Monday-nighters. I think a Sunday and a Thursday. Tyreek Hill, two times? Yeah, we even had a Monday-nighter last year. It was kind of odd. Bro, Tyreek Hill only two times That doesn't sound Sad about it

Maybe they'll get flexed Later on Just two Brenton games Ain't nobody gonna watch Fucking Dolphins game National No Like nobody's like going on to

Sunday Ticket Like oh give me the Fucking Dolphins game The Bills and the Pats Both have five Five Uh huh What if the Pats are not good?

What if they get flexed out of a game? Are you saying that because Tommy Curran? That's the only reason I'm even asking that. I have faith in Bill. Straight shooter. Yeah, that was awesome. That's the thing about the Dolphins is I definitely do think they're good, but for the next five to seven years,

the Super Bowl favorite and the MVP favorite are the other team, the Bills. You're not really looking to Miami because of how good Buffalo is. I'm like bummed that Tyreek Hill only gets two primetime games. They're going to get flexed. They'll be a Bills. No, but it's their record. Yeah, but you've got to assume with what. The Fin be a bill. But it's a record isn't. Yeah. But you got to assume with the

Finns do have a tough schedule. Everyone. Yeah. AFC East is playing the AFC North and the NFC North.

Oh I love watching that guy play football. I know. Let's go. Let's get flexed huh. Come on.

Monday or Sunday. Yeah. Monday or Sunday. All right. Hammer Don's in 15 20 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer Don

we'll see you tomorrow we appreciate you so much I believe we announced all the winners from last week's giveaways we'll have another giveaway tomorrow and you know

think about life enjoy it let's try to because we have no idea what the fuck is going to happen honestly so let's try to enjoy

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