The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 678 - FanDuel Sportsbook Head Oddsmaker John Sheeran, Peter Schrager, Quentin Richardson, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about everything going on in the sports world from the NFL, to LIV golf, the NBA Finals, and more. Joining the progrum to discuss where we can potentially gain a couple of edges gambling wise before the start of the NFL season is the Head Oddsmaker for FanDuel Sportsbook, John Sheeran (19:19-41:45). Later, Emmy Winning host of Good Morning Football and NFL Insider for FOX, friend of the program, Peter Schrager joins the show to chat about Sean McVay's wedding from this past weekend and all the different stars that were in attendance, when Good Morning Football is getting back in studio, and much more (59:17-1:17:23). Later, 13 year NBA veteran, 2005 NBA 3-Point Contest Champ, co-host of the Knuckleheads Podcast, Quentin Richardson joins the show to chat about the NBA Finals, if players are cognizant of the difference in refereeing in the Finals, if he thinks there's anyway a Kyrie-Russell Westbrook trade happens, why coaching is so important in the playoffs, and much more (1:17:25-1:37:35). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Monday, June 6th, 2022, and this sports show shall begin now. Yeah! Can't thank you enough for joining us. We have a big show for you today. I hope you all had an incredible weekend. I got to golf a couple times and then watch all the sports that are happening. It was a fantastic weekend. I hope you had the same. The boys will dive into theirs here in a little bit. We have a packed show. Oh yeah. To the gills. Huge. You know how they say things are packed to the gills? That's because like a fish

who's fat is packed to the gills. Packed to the gills. We are packed to the gills today. John Sheeran, head odds maker at Fandle will be joining us in about 17 minutes or so. We got a couple things to ask him about. You know, some of the lines they've been putting out there. Also, how do they do all the futures bets?

And with the long shot thing they have going on right now, how do we continue to grow that? Can we make that even bigger? Because my fan dude's cooking right now. He's fascinating. And we can't wait to chat with him. An Irish fella who is a smartass. Last time he was on the show,

Barry turned day. Big time. Big time. Big time. Peter Schrager will join us fresh out of McVeigh's wedding weekend over in Los Angeles. Holy hell. Yeah, him, Cliff Kingsbury, and some others were over there celebrating the love that Sean McVeigh has for his now wife. And now that he's a Super Bowl winning head coach, it appeared as if the festivities were

fantastic. Yeah, it looked like a good time. It looked like a great time. Cliff Kingsbury, by the way, did look like the coolest dude of all time yet again. Of course. Wearing a James Bond-esque tux with a picture with Sean McVay and Schrags in it. Not even smiling, just a grin with his whole, I mean, he just. Beast.

He gets it. Yeah. He knows. That guy gets it. He's a movie character. That's right. And then in the third hour, we have Quentin Richardson to join us to talk about hoops. A lot of things happening in the Golden State Boston Celtics game.

Sorry, finals round here because the refs basically admitted to kind of cooking games last night. Well, no. We'll turn to the talk table. At Ty Schmidt, Aaron Rodgers at the camp. At camp, baby. At practice. Here we go.

Samantori won. He told us he would show up at this one. He's there. He's going to have to talk to the press at some point. At camp, baby. At practice. Here we go. Samantori won. He told us he would show up at this one. He's there. He's going to have to talk to the press at some point. I'm excited to hear his thoughts on that big putt

he just made the other day at the Wynn Golf Course in Las Vegas to win the match. And also, how it feels about the team now he's getting a chance to meet some of the younger guys.

This is a good weekend, a good week here for Aaron Rodgers over there, which is good news for the Packers fans who, you know, do you guys think he forgot about him in football at all

whenever he was up? No, no. Hey, listen. That's what the media was trying to have. Oh, do you guys think he forgot about him football at all? No, no. Listen, that's what the media was trying to have. Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. I'm just glad the drama's over. OK, we don't. And none of the bullshit of last year, none of the bullshit of the year before. He's back with the boys.

He's ready to play ball. Everything's good. OK, so that's all. We'll talk about it then. Let's move on to the Celtics Golden State Warriors game. Last night, Van Gundy or whatever, the commentator. Yeah. Bald headed one. That's right. Jeff. Jeff Van Gundy. Because there the commentator, bald-headed one.

That's right, Jeff. Jeff Van Gundy, because there is a stand, I believe. Jeff Van Gundy calling it with Mark Jackson and Mike. Breed. Okay, and that's the ABC crew. They have the entirety of the finals. It was split between Turner and them for the whole playoffs. If that's the thing, move by ABC to go ahead and get that thing.

Stephen A. now in a well-lit studio on first day he looks unbelievable uh-huh um but van gundy asked about the situation involved draymond green in which he was kicking another guy he had already had one technical and they brought in their ref person steve uh javi javi jv whatever. He's like the ref expert from the NBA. And the way he explained it was pretty much like, yeah, you already had one tech, amount of time left in the game, score of the game, probably not getting my tech.

Even though Draymond Green would have been ejected for the rest of the game, would have been three more quarters. Does the outcome change? Maybe. Possibly he's a big time player. But them openly saying that obviously led to a lot of fodder on the internet.

You as a Celtics fan after losing losing last night with that situation happening, do you feel like you guys are screwed? And have you been screwed in the past? Definitely been screwed in the past. I don't know if it was a technical foul. Like, basically what happened is he fouled Jalen Brown on a three-point shot, and then they both landed, and Draymond basically just left his legs on him, and then they got into a little scruffle.

So I don't know if it warranted a technical foul. He just kind of lounged on him. Yeah, he just kind of lounged on yeah he's got a lounge on just a little too long and then you know he almost pulled jalen brown's pants down which i thought was a little ridiculous while he's trying to get up hey no cheeks here come on people are watching their kids at home watching this game dream don't need tom brady balls out bingo like it is on the ig story no things but i mean him saying that on the broadcast i don't know why someone didn't jump in his ear immediately like walk that back walk that back don't they continue though yeah they kept talking about it they kept talking about the entirety of

how like and we talked to um uh nhl ref for 20 years tim tim peel tim peel and he talked about how they feel like very important to the game flow. Like, hey, here's the flow of the game. Got to call something early on this team, maybe settle them down, or make up calls happen immediately afterwards in the NHL. And it's just kind of understood in the entire culture. Like, yeah, that's how it goes. The NHL refs in the fights.

They're in there. I mean, it's a full interaction banter. They're a part of the game just as much as other refs, but even more so because they're also part of the flow of it. The NBA, you know, with the way basketball has its rules set up. Decorated past. With Tim Darnay. That's right.

In the federal prison. Yeah. Cooking games for it. In the way you see some games go, in some fouls you've seen called and then not called and then out of nowhere something that could be a phantom call is covered up by commentator goes that's a good call it's like no everybody disagrees it is kind of move along they are constantly fighting that i feel like the nba will constantly fight that because the way their game is set up the way

the rules are set up and what tim Dorney had done in the past. And Tim Dorney said that there's a lot of other refs out there potentially doing the same damn thing. He even broke down some games. And when you're gambling and losing on games, it's very easy to go like, oh, I just got fucked. Oh, I just got fucked. You're doing that if it isn't even something that seems to be pretty legit.

So that whole convo happening on air led to my guy Roosh's tweet here. Roosh put a tweet out, and he said, Steve JV talking about referees using selective enforcement basically proves and validates fans who feel intentionally cheated by refs. That was from Roosh Williams. Roosh is the host of the Noble and Roosh show, a big Rockets, Houston Rockets guy based out of Texas. So I feel like he feels like the Rockets have been fucked in the past,

but didn't James Harden kind of utilize the refs in the Houston Rockets organization for some time? But that was fascinating to watch. This basketball series is going to be good, though, because the refs are going to make it. Yeah, exactly. It's going to go seven, and I believe Rouge probably is jaded because there's that Chris Paul stat when Scott Foster, I believe,

refs a game. You know, he's like 0-14, and I believe a few of those were with the Rockets. Hold on. Last night there was another one of those with somebody official. With the Celtics. The Celtics are like 3-12 straight up when one of the guys who was reffing is reffing. But there was also, did you see the Jalen Brown foul they called where Gary Payton II went up for a layup, missed.

Jalen Brown didn't even touch him, and they called it a foul. And look how confident they are with their hands. Oh, yeah. You know, and then they just walk right to the scorer's table or whatever, and everybody bitches about every single call. So it's almost like the boy who cried wolf type situation with the players because the players are going to be pissed about every call. Oh, yeah.

Which, by the way, I can understand because if you foul, if you foul. That's right. So I can see how the players could potentially get pissed in that whole thing. But the referees, especially with these primetime games, and it is the championship and it's the finals, always going to be a topic of conversation. But last night couldn't be right because you guys just got your asses beat. What?

Yeah, exactly. Jordan Poole hit a shot. You guys got your asses beat. What? A lot of Celtics excuses here. Clay Thompson couldn't even shoot a basketball last night. They still beat. What?

Yeah, we scored 14 points in the third quarter, kind of just like yesterday. And then also Jordan Poole hit a three-point shot from 39 feet out. I mean, they played very well. Yeah, but I've seen Jordan Poole in warm-ups actually throw a ball up, shoot one, catch it, shoot one. Like when people take bong hits, chug a beer, then they blow out the bong hit afterwards. That's basically what Jordan Poole did.

Threw up a ball, shot a three, caught the three, shot that three. Boom. They didn't show the full video. You couldn't really see it, but I believe he threw the ball up, shot the ball, hit that ball. That ball goes in the hoop, gets the ball back, and then shoots a three and hits it. Really?

Yeah, I believe that's what that video was, but they didn't have the— He should be doing that. Listen, when he retires, that needs to be the quarter halftime show. Yeah. Just go out and do ball tricks out there. Yeah, it was unbelievable. Just like Red Panda used to do. Is she still kicking balls?

I think so. I think she's done. No. I think she's retired. What? I'm telling you. Just in my humble opinion, I fear that we might have seen, you know, maybe she won't be as, maybe she's more part-time performer.

Okay. But, you know, last year there was a couple of misses, and we hadn't seen her miss for, I don't know, 15, 20 years straight or whatever. No, and I think she is the kind of person who's like, hey, if I don't have my fucking fastball today, I'm not going out there. Consummate professional. Yeah, exactly. Consummate professional. Right. exactly. Consummate professional.

Right. So maybe that'll become a new thing, like somebody who learns Jordan Poole's trick will throw a ball up, throw it in, it goes in, and keep it moving. I was at a game one time for the Pacers where they had this old white hustle somebody in a three-point shooting contest.

Really? Yeah, this old white against somebody who was like... Larry Bird? No, no. That accurate description. I don't know how old he is. Certainly tall, lumbering white. Yeah, Larry Bird is.

This particular old white seemed to be built more like, I don't know, like Santa. He's like one of those. Jolly. Like a jolly old white. Yeah, well, AQ's lost a lot of weight. He would be old AQ. Michelin Man AQ. Okay, okay.

I hope you learned your lesson. It was like a, it was a, yeah. Michelin Man Aikido. How much you learned your lesson? It was like a... Thank you, Tony. Me? I was just let that fly by. Tony, we settled this on Friday. Not anymore. I'm starting to see a pattern. You see me? I didn't care much for that comment about Aikido.

Is that right? Even though he left that talking talk in the dust? Yeah, he's been a great dad. Yeah, okay. He was sleeping on job yesterday, I see. He's sleeping on job being a dad. Unbelievable. Hey, Q's actually just talking shit about your shrugs on my IG story. Literally just. Look at this.

Oh, are we sure? That fat bastard. Bingo. Thank you. What does that fat ass know about shrugs? Yeah, nothing. That guy has no idea. What's his deal?

Anyways, some halftime shows are very good. Some are very bad. The old white who they said, like, it was obviously set up. They had an incredibly, like, a 24-year-old that was randomly selected from the crowd, had his group of friends that obviously he had left, and they put on the big screen, you know, these two will have a three-point shooting contest against each other. Who's your pick? And then, you know, they, obviously i'm i'm rather high watching this game i'm like all

right what is about to take place here fucking i think 20 straight maybe 17 20 straight or 17 straight boom boom boom boom his max effort was an nba three-point range so as long as he's throwing it as hard as he can it's going in every single time. We need more of that at the halftime of these games. We need those. Like Jordan Poole throwing a ball off of it and then doing the whole thing. We need more of that. If Red Panda's not going to be out every single week

in every single game doing her thing, we need a little bit more excitement at those halftime shows. Quick change. One of them passed away. Yeah, that's right. I forgot about that. All the great halftime performances of the NBA games are all kind of disappearing, and we don't like that at all. That's part of the passed away. Yeah, that's right. All the great halftime performances at the NBA games are all kind of disappearing, and we don't like that

at all. That's part of the whole thing. We need Jordan Poole to teach somebody how to do what the fuck he did yesterday at warm-up. Whatever happened to those big inflatable mascot-type people that will bounce on their heads and eat each other? They wear those inflatable costumes and be-bop around. They want to beat up Foxy.

That's a different... but you got to remember halftime performance at the NBA game, that's like America's got talent. Yeah, needs some explosivity. But also, yes, you do need some, because hey,

you're keeping people 10, 15 minutes here. Exactly. AGT Extreme. What's that? AGT Extreme. Bingo, that's basically what's going on.

I think when he's starting to get some dirt bikes. The NBA uses that Chihuahua dog a lot. That's what I'm saying. He's getting old, though. That's what I'm saying. There's only a few of them that are really there because it's not an easy gig. No. 360 eyes on you. Yeah. 360 eyes on you. Flawless.

And you're on. You've got to be on every single night because if not, somebody's getting you on camera, on your phone, saying this person is the worst. That's what happened with Red Panda last year. That's right. And if you're going and doing a Pacers game, there's a good chance you're doing like a Bulls game and a Bucks game. Those guys are probably on the high demand. Yeah, rock star

lifestyle. Yeah, for sure. They should do the professional dunkers or bring back the and one guys and do a three on three. There was a documentary 30 for 30 the other day about... Yeah, that's right. Mixtape. Shit, I forget what it was called. But yeah, that was last Tuesday. Hot Sauce was trending.

I think that Hot Sauce was trending. there was a picture of Hot Sauce and maybe the professor maybe? the queen? they were talking about how I was scrolling through there about how big the And One Mixtape Tour got they were everywhere that was everywhere I went to a game

lost its luster but on TV I absolutely loved it yeah the DVD was awesome the hour and a documentary, pretty much, where it just followed him stop to stop. It was incredible. I'll never forget when I threw the ball under both of my legs. The first time, I thought I was the most athletic human being.

Oh, my God, I am the professor. Wait until and one comes to town. I'm going to play for that team. And then Escalade's going to run me over. Oh, man. Rest in peace. Let's go to some NFL news that happened over the weekend. Although I guess it's happening today.

A Walmart heir, Bob Walton. Bob Walton is buying the Denver Broncos, allegedly. Wow. I mean, Adam Schefter reports that there's no final lies to this. But Forbes is reporting, Bleach Report's reporting, Florio's reporting, a lot of people are reporting that Bob Walton, an heir to the Walmart fortune, that has to be so much fun to have that as

your title. Think about how much fun that's going to be. If you're just buying the Broncos for $4.5 billion in a blind bid, you put it up there, and then you're going to win it or whatever, you now have an NFL team. Imagine what the day-to-day is with an heir to the Walmart fortune as your title. Bob Walton has had a good time, by the way.

Bob Walton has done basically anything, whenever, however, for the entirety of his life. Yeah, forever. The amount of jet skis that this guy was able to just get on at such a young age. Fuck, Bob, go on. Go on, Bob. Think about that. Now,

obviously Bob is an accomplished businessman himself. So I'm not saying this too, but maybe I want, I don't fucking know. He's buying the Broncos. That's good business decision. So I feel like he's probably a good business person, but being an heir to the Walmart fortune,

what a fucking dinger. What a home run. Congrats to him. Yeah. Congrats to his family for creating a store that i mean took over everything amazon's kind of come in and dunked on him but walmart's trying to catch up to what amazon's doing with the delivery service but what amazon is now for those that don't understand walmart was for like 30 years and walmart didn't it didn't matter it was recession proof because

it didn't matter if they were able to sell anything because they would just sell the shelves like real estate to companies so like companies would get good real estate a good shelf uh for the walmart that's in every single town in america basically and there's everything there from you know literally drills and saws to pools and guns i mean there's just groceries everything that you could possibly want there they would just sell the space as opposed to the products. So instead of having the overhead, the only overhead they had was the aisles that more people would pay. So it was fucking master class of business just before everybody else. Doesn't matter if your product will sell or not to us.

You're just paying for the shelf space anyways. Now, if you want more, cool. If you want us to sell it, cool. Make the deal. Let's do that thing. And there's some partnership. I know they own some of the stuff that was in there as well, but they were just brilliant to the next level.

Just like Bezos says that everything get delivered to your house. All the money in the world the Waltons have had for a long time. And now there's one in the NFL, it looks like. And that's good news for the league, I think. Yeah, for sure. And I believe, if I'm not mistaken, his sister is Stan Kroenke's wife, too. So, like, they already – and I think – I mean, I know Kroenke, same deal, has been very successful in terms of what he's done in business,

but I think his net worth, a lot of that comes from her as well. So it's like, you know, I mean, the more the better, really, for this family. Cousins. Yeah, okay. So in the family, Kraft's wife, right, was the one that had all the money? Myra. So in the book,'s wife right Was the one that had all the money Myra So in the book The Dynasty

They actually explained it Bob Kraft like bought Myra's father's company Which was also like A packaging company I think in like the 70s Or the 80s And then he bought the team

In the 90s Oh really So Kraft Started his own company And then that company Got so big He ended up buying Myra Kraft's

Family's company the way these people accomplish wealth is very fascinating you know because if you just happen to pop out of the right you know birth canal sure there's one there's a lot of worries that those people will never have to have in their entire life that they will never understand now there's a whole different world that comes about it right there's a whole another set of you know shit that comes with that particular lifestyle but the ability to get day-to-day and never have to worry about a thing must be very fucking nice.

And also just buying NFL teams. Yeah, unbelievable. Gronk has got like six teams. Yeah. Gronk has got a team in the NHL. He's got a team in the NFL. He's got a team in the Premier League. NBA.

I mean, he is just... So at all those Thanksgivings, Bob's like, I'm fucking sick of this. Yeah. Listen, what is Bob? Is Bob a direct descendant, cousin? Yes, he is a direct descendant. He's the oldest of four children of Sam Walton, who founded Walmart.

Oh, the eldest. Wow. So he's in good shape. This is con man. Yeah. His name is actually Samuel Robson. He goes by Rob. Sam?

Sam. Sounds like it's Sam Walton. Sammy Walton. Wal, which is his dad, I guess. Sammy Walton. So, Robson. Nobody calls him Bob? Because that's for Robert.

Samuel Robson. In quotes. Rob Walton. What a name. So, Bobby Walton. Yeah. Yeah. Bob Walton, welcome to the nfl pal yeah for a bargain it

feels like welcome to the thunderdome pal yeah four and a half billion is allegedly what it will cost him uh to buy the denver broncos and it goes to the bowling trust so the insiders all talked about how um this one this is what rapport said and this was awesome and we got to remember the rapport works for the NFL. Rapport said, now for the Broncos, they have to take the highest bid, okay, because it's going to a trust. So the trust has to take the highest bid or whatever. It's like, okay.

So we have to take the one who offers the most amount of money. It's like that's how every one of them is going to go because that's how business goes in this entire thing but they expected multiple four and a half billion dollar offers on this particular monday in which it was to be sold today and maybe that was just them drumming up bullshit maybe that was the bowling trust or whatever saying oh multiple people are going to be doing this so maybe bid a little bit more allegedly robson walton comes in at four and a half a billion dollars and gets it. Congrats and welcome to the league. I can't wait to see what new money does to the NFL. Yeah.

Connor mentioned it too. Like we talked about it like off air a little bit. Like it, I for sure thought that it was going to go for more than four and a half billion. I feel like that is kind of like a bargain. Can we get a loan? Please.

Maybe from this man who is the head odds maker at FanDuel Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook in America. Hell yeah. And although we are in constant competition with this lad who is hilarious and very big brained, he's a good conversation and we appreciate him for that. Ladies and gentlemen, John Shearer. Yeah, John! What's going on? How are you doing, Pat?

I'm okay, John. How are you? Really good, thanks. I think you got the wrong intro there. Somebody else on later? I'm talking about you, John. What happened to Clay yesterday? You guys knew Clay was going to have a bad day.

That's why everybody's parlays were just going to be fucked. Yeah, one for ten will not get it done from clay thompson the guys actually are a little bit down on him there don't think that he's been his old self this season obviously he's shown glimpses of it particularly in some of the games in the last series but we're a little bit down on him versus the rest of the market for sure john whenever you hear something like the van gundy steve jv conversation on espn or on abc last night about how there wasn't a technical but Van Gundy was like well in any other game this would be a technical and then JV came on and said well with the how much time was left to score it's the finals the decisions that are being made in the

calls and all that do you have to take that into account whenever you're trying to predict uh NBA you know books and odds and everything like that because of the history the past how refs have so much control is that something you guys dive into or no yeah i think we're considering it pat really when you talk about the totals and you see the suppressed totals that we see from the regular season in the postseason we know the refs let them play a decent bit more in in the finals in particular i think that's what we've seen so far but you definitely see that contraction in the total points which is all of that information like you alluded to that we have considered all the historics in terms of how it's played out in the past certainly something we spend a lot of time on you guys focus on the refs because like

for instance in the nfl whenever we find out the refs i think it's friday or thursday of each week or maybe it's saturday i don't remember exactly which day of the week but there's always a run through of what the refs like hey this ref likes to do this these refs like to do this this is a big thing you guys have to keep a close tab on all of that right because the celtics are three and four and three and twelve three and twelve with one particular ref uh calling their games you guys look into that whenever you're setting the lines for everything or are you just trying to stay away from it um it's a good question actually we we've had some conversations in the past about the impact of referees when they're announced like you said and you definitely

will see some sharp money play into uh the market maybe not just necessarily with us but into the market price in general when refs are announced so there's certainly an edge to be had if you go and actually do the you know the research on each ref and their propensity to call fouls. That's obviously the easiest way to assess it, but there's certainly an impact. We don't really spend a whole lot of time. It would take a lot of work for us to go and kind of tag each ref, try and watch the video, get the analysis. It all is done through actual video review and the people that are betting because of referees on totals uh we find that you know we don't really get hit in the mornings when the refs are announced and then

the market kind of corrects itself so plenty of people out there doing the short work for us how many people on the nba team putting together odds for the finals here um pretty much all of them to be honest they all um some of them are celtics fans though so i find we're a little bit biased towards boston hell yeah hell yeah how many though how many people is that do we is you don't have to give me an exact is it tens not yeah there's probably 10 of the guys obviously the senior guys the guys have been trading it like i said before on the show for 10 15 years they'll take ownership of the finals in particular and express their opinions where where they think that they make a difference and that's

unfortunately on the celtics this time around um that's fast so it is people we are battling against whenever we're trying to make these bets it felt like for a while you guys were putting up boosts that were hitting like a lot the boosts were almost maybe the most sure bet you guys had on the entire book there for a bit you guys are getting real hot how do you pick what's boosted and what do you try to stay away from in that honestly i think it depends on um the day what what's on what people are betting on we certainly try to boost the most topical you know you're not boosting you know looney's points in the game for example it's always tatum it's always curry they're the things that people want to bet on so So we try and appeal to what's topical, what people are focused on,

and also try and offer a bit of value. Isn't that convenient, John? Let's just get right into it. Last night's boost. Tatum and Steph, they both score 30. How many did Steph have after three quarters? 29 points. How many did Tatum have after three quarters?

28 points. How many minutes did they play in the fourth quarter? Combined, zero. How'd you know? How'd you know? John? We just have a direct line. Steph said it'd be over after three quarters and you wouldn't see him again.

Luckily, that's what happened. No, but whenever you see something like that happen, I assume you guys are ecstatic. You would have to be whenever the fourth quarter's starting and it's like, oh, I assume you guys are ecstatic. You would have to be whenever the fourth quarter is starting and it's like, oh, neither of the guys are playing. Oh, isn't that – oh, we perfectly put – this is the perfect boost right there. That's a dream for the book, right, for that to happen? Honestly, it is, but that's not the way that we try and think about it.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Sure. Honestly, we're not sitting there looking to try and you know win all of these boosts the boosts are offered honestly you know with genuine good faith we want people to have a good experience we want to give them a bit of value but it sure is nice what was the other boost john i didn't see it connor what was the other no idea is uh clay thompson to have five three pointerspointers. Oh, was it? Yeah, I believe so. Oh, is that right? Was it made five or attempts?

Definitely wasn't attempts, John. What's your deal? And also, Horford, what's he so gun-shy for? The guy has to go shots after having 26. That's your fucking guy. Every other game. He's going to have a huge one on Wednesday. Let's move on to other sports. I know the boys will have questions for you. Maybe

dabble back into the NBA, but I want to ask you this. You might have answered this in the past, and I apologize, but whenever you guys do futures bets on, let's say, NFL teams win totals or their odds to win the Super Bowl or anything like that, and something happens, like for instance,

the Walton family is about to buy the Broncos. Does that change anything for you, do you think, in the Broncos' eyes? You know, when the commander signed Carson Wentz, zero movement. Zero movement at all. Whenever the Broncos signed Russell Wilson, movement. How you doing keeping moving? How do you guys pick and choose what matters and what doesn't matter to a team in winning and moving on and moving the numbers? Honestly, I just think it's the upgrade, right? Russell Wilson's an incredible player, an incredible upgrade in Denver. They've got a lot of the supporting pieces around them.

Really good defense, probably underachieved in the last couple of years. And when you go and get Russell Wilson, it's not just Russell Wilson, it's who else is going to be attracted by playing with him. And I think it's also the intention of the team that you can read into as well so for that reason Russell's an easy one for us to make a big upgrade a big jump in our ratings on quarterback play expected from the Denver Broncos and I think you saw that reflected in the movement Carson Wentz is shot right I mean that guy you know he was barely serviceable in indy now you see him there he's a good guy he's trying his best but he's not going to make a difference so therefore washington stay

where they are he's a good lad he tries his best jesus a bit like he's a bit like you i'm undefeated in wrestlemania fuck off um but is there anything that could potentially happen off the field that would change the way, like the Browns right now? Whenever you're trying to, and I don't know if you guys even have any win totals, I think, for the, I don't think you guys have released win totals for the Browns yet. But the Deshaun Watson situation is continuing to grow and get bigger, I think, than we could have ever imagined maybe a month ago when we thought this was over.

His lawyer, Rusty Harden, goes on the air and is now being quoted could have ever imagined maybe a month ago when we thought this was over his uh lawyer rusty hard goes on the air and is now being quoted in more people's uh allegations against deshaun watson from his radio clip and the nfl allegedly concluded its investigation but we don't know what it's going to do there's a lot to take in there how do you judge that and how do you not just get it completely wrong and lose a shit ton of money for fandle whenever you're projecting something like that i think we do sometimes right we we can't be across the inner workings of what's happening with deshaun and you know they're two to one joint favorites now for the division that's clearly with him a quarterback they would not be in that

position without him um so there's an opportunity there if you think deshaun watson is not going to be a full participant this season i would strongly suggest having a look at the AFC North outright betting as quickly as you can, because if he's not there and he's not a quarterback, then they're no longer a two-to-one shot. So the short answer is we get these things wrong all the time. We only have the information that you have that's available in the public domain. We don't have any inside information like you're able to get given your NFL history. We just can't get that information. So we certainly get plenty.

Oh, woe is me. Oh, we care. Everybody knows more than us. We win. You were the man with the ball in the Super Bowl. You made a big change to how we think about pricing that. You had that inside information, for example. Wow, that has been good to us.

But the coin toss has been pretty fucking ruthless towards me at that Super Bowl. You know, I get that year-end review of my bets things. And it feels like that Super Bowl heads, tails thing really shows up there every year. How do you price that? Do you guys flip the coin like a hundred times at the office and just figure it out? Yeah, there's two of us standing here throwing coins at each

other. It'll be heads or tails. Todd's got a question for you. Thanks, John. John, over the last few days, I've been starting to look at some of the cricket lines because the games are happening so early in the morning and I kind of want to, you know. Oh, is this like a wake-up ping-pong type situation?

Yeah, very similar. Is there any value in that because there's so little volume, I'm assuming, being placed on these games, or is it the kind of thing where you guys are actually, you've got a couple cricket sharps over there. Like, I don't really understand any of it, so I don't know how I'd go about betting it, but, like, do you think there's any type of advantage there? I heard you spoke about your record, Ty, when Mike was on. How's your record of betting on FanDuel gone so far?

Oh, good. Not bad, yeah. So cricket, I wouldn't bet on cricket if your record is good. I mean, I don't even know what's happening with cricket. I mean, the lines are pretty sharp, right? There's actually a lot of international volume that goes into those markets, so you'll find that they're pretty efficient. So I don't think you'll find an edge there,

particularly if you don't understand the sport. Good to know. Hi, it's great to know for all of us here in America that are waking up in the morning and just got a little bit of an ish, put $10 on something we have never heard of. Awu Hob plus $3.20, you kidding me? Point scorer, give me it. He's got a stick. Yeah. The guy's got's got a pitch yeah he might be a pitcher too yeah who knows Boston Wickets good player though I don't know if you guys could track this or saw this there was uh quite an uptick I assume in uh ping pong

betting in the morning there was there was like a one month run where I was waking up in the morning and I was betting handsomely on these ping pong games just because I wanted to wake up with a positive let me go ahead and make this bet maybe five ten points left I'm gonna go plus 170 yep let's fucking go well you know serve big big bet on that I'm gonna go take a shit a shower I'm gonna come back this thing's gonna be over lost again can't lose tomorrow again. For like two weeks straight, I was just betting on shit I didn't know. It sounds like that is you

guys sitting in the poker room in Vegas at like 3 a.m. when all the drunks come into the poker room and all the people that actually understand poker are sitting there waiting to just take all of the money from all the drunks. Is that what all the bullshit sports are on FanDuel for you guys? Like you guys are just sitting there waiting to just take all of the money from all the drunks is that what all the bullshit sports are on fandle for you guys like you guys are just sitting there like come on it come on oh yeah bet on cricket this is fun you've never heard of it come on in oh ping pong

you don't even know that person is come on in we don't either that's a i think you're going to try to give away but that's not the case at all right no that's 100 not the case but it's uh an opportunity for someone to have a bet as As you said, it's always on. Plenty of content there for people to bet on. Designed to be completely recreational. Somebody to come in, have a small wager, watch the game. It's over in 10 minutes on to the next one. That's really all that's behind it.

Yeah, it sounds like when you got completely defeated in something, you obviously have to blame the person you're competing against for cheating. And it sounds like with what you just said about cricket yeah that was the case don't bet on ping pong either go ahead connor yeah john how closely are you guys monitoring like trade or free agency kind of scenarios like for instance when aj brown got traded during the draft you immediately go and change their odds to win the division the super bowl and all those things and then even with the nba free agency uh deandre eight and the guy that you actually fucked us all over with with his over in points if you remember correctly oh yeah that was you John that was you yeah it was pretty messed up he also missed it by half a point but

uh like are you watching that especially now that the rumors are he's not going to Phoenix and you're kind of as soon as he signs you got to change the odds for that team as well uh yeah we're certainly monitoring all that super closely like you said the key players key skill positions in the football obviously seeing what's happening in the nba you know where these players are going to end up makes a decent amount of difference the only thing i would say is in general people tend to overvalue outside of quarterbacks in football they certainly overvalue wide receivers and running backs and You should see very little movement in those lines from our side once those people change.

Yeah, DeAndre Ayton's kind of the same. He's not going to make a huge difference to Phoenix Chance's next season. They'll obviously need to fill that hole, and can they fill that with somebody as talented as him? The system may be better. It might actually be net positive for the Suns, I would say. Draft night, you guys just have a group text when A.J. Brown gets traded? Are you all in the office or you just say, fuck it, I'm changing it myself?

How's that go? Yeah, I mean, most of the time it's the guys, honestly. Like, I'm watching all of that stuff, but the vast majority of the guys are here in the office, you know, waiting for that breaking news, understanding what the implications of all the trades are. You know, trying to trade that in real time is really difficult, right? Every pick, we traded it live here in New Jersey. We were allowed to offer two picks down the line. So after the first pick went, we were on to pick four and so on.

Trying to understand the implications of each pick on what was going to happen two or three picks later was a lot of fun. And one that was really difficult for us to make any money. We actually lost a lot of money on the draft this year. Yeah! Here we go. That's why it's a draft spectacular. That's right. That's one of the reasons why it's such a big night for all of us.

Go ahead, Tony Diggs. John, how much do people love betting streaks? I assume did you guys make a bunch when the Lightning's 19-0 after a lost streak came to an end? Angels, I think, are an 11-game losing streak. Do you see more money come in when people start hearing about these streaks? Yeah, really good question. Spot on, Tony.

That a baby, Tony. There's a first time for everything, right? Come on, John. Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. It's an easy shot. Narratives are huge in America. Honestly, I've never seen it.

It's not really the same in Europe. You see it to a certain extent, but people want to get on hot runs. They want to bet the teams that are winning, and you're exactly right. The likes of the Angels will get opposed until they do something to change that. I would say it's harder in hockey because we just see so much money for the Rangers around here to kind of understand what the impact of them winning it off the back of a loss in the postseason winning it off the back of a loss in the postseason, 18 off the back of a loss in the postseason really meant just because we

saw that money for the Rangers. But I would say you're a hundred percent right. Rangers up to one over the Tampa Bay lightning, the back-to-back Stanley cup champions last night, win three, two 48 seconds left. Barry went home at home huge in the home of the storm, the lightning down in Tampa Bay.

What arena? What's that arena called? Amelie. Amelie. Amelie. Hey, I just seen a guy walk in the back there while you were talking. Shorts and a t-shirt. Is that day-to-day operations over there?

The odds makers are chilling. A lot of tank tops over there. Hoodies. Everybody in suits. What's the day-to-day like for somebody that's an odds maker for FanDuel? Yeah, a lot of shorts this time of year. It gets so humid in Jersey City where we're all based here, Pat, that, yeah, lots of shorts and T-shirts.

What I would say is if you could send, you know, maybe smaller than the one you have, but if you could maybe send like 10 or 12 of those tank tops, I'm sure we could do it for a special on one day. Hey, no problem at all. I'll send you guys the link. You can buy them off Amazon. Yeah, no, you've taken enough.

All right, I don't need to. All right, I don't need to. What about the chains? Can we get them as well? Well, this particular one, a little bit more than the one that I've been rocking in the past, but yeah, I'll send you the link

for this one as well. Follow up. What do they have to bet? Do you fire anybody? How does that go? If they just stink? If you're making odds for us and you continually stink,

we just have the ability to get rid of you? How do the contracts work? Do you have to continue to be above 65%, 70%? Or is it a team thing and you just don't fit on the team? How do you go about adding talent or losing talent, knowing if you lose somebody, they're coming for your ass, right? That person is coming to bet against you now forever, I'd assume. Yeah, that's a tough question.

I mean, look, the truth of the matter is before you're allowed to express your opinion, you've got to be able to prove that you're good at what you're doing. It's not like taking you in here and you getting on a hot street of picking four winners in a row and then all of a sudden we're letting you lose. You're assessed on your closing line value, how you perform against where the market closes. We do that and build their confidence and expertise up over time. And once they've kind of illustrated

that they've shown the propensity to be able to do it, then they get the opportunity to express their opinion. And as an odds maker, from my perspective, that's all I ever wanted, Pat, was the opportunity to be able to express my opinion in our pricing and make a difference positively to our company from that perspective. We want people to look at the line and say, everybody else is four on the game.

Why are they only three and a half? And that's kind of where we want to get to in the end. So that's going to become a very, I mean, not that it isn't now, but that's going to become a job that people are desiring to have here as sports gambling gets bigger and bigger. Being the odds maker is a massive title i think that people will take as a massive badge of honor will you guys continue to grow or is there would just remain the certain group you think like for every casino that's been cooking or not cooking

sorry that sounds that's negative but for every casino that's been making odds is there only a certain amount of people that have been doing it for a whole time? How many people you think can actually be professionals at this as we go forward? There are huge opportunities in the space, Pat. I mean, we're growing so fast. The business is just on an incredible trajectory. We're only in 15 states right now. I mean, think about this in 10 years' time, and the business will be multiples the size that it is right now and every one of those small decisions be it a half a point out on a total or on a spread is just going to make such a big difference that you're right there's a huge opportunity i would

say the team will expand massively we already have when i came back here in 2018 there was two of us sitting in a broom covered cupboard upstairs and now there's 50 guys on the ground here and yeah we'll continue to go over time undoubtedly connor you'll never get that job maybe you though ty never if you stay away from fucking cricket yeah sounds like it come on over ty no no no don't do it now john um i think the last 10 times you've given us a recommended bet yeah they've all they've lost oh yeah how about today you know we like streaks here in America. We lost by a half a point on DeAndre Ayton, who went over in both games either side of that.

What was that first word after the we there? I don't know. Lost. Lost. Sorry. You don't want pictures on a scorecard. I get it. That's right. Hey, just show me the sausage at the end. I don't want to know how close,. Hey, just show me the goddamn sausage at the end.

I don't want to know how close, how it came about. Give me the sausage at the end. Do we got a winner or not, John? Do you have a winner for us or not? I don't have anything today. This guy stinks! John, I'm sick of it! This was such a good call, wasn't it?

He's in shorts over there. Jersey City. Having a time telling us not to. Don't fucking go wandering into the poker room that is cricket. Don't do it. You don't know anything. That's our world, basically. Just don't do it. Now we thought maybe we'd get a winner because the last 10, John, have been just L, L, L, L, L, L, L, you know?

And it doesn't seem to happen that way. For the sports book, every single day, they're just winning, winning, winning, winning, winning. How's that work, John? Seems like you're against us. Are you against us? A hundred percent. Honestly, it's me or you.

Someone's got to fall. All right. Fuck. A.J. Hawk, someone's me or you. Someone's got to fall. All right. Fuck. AJ Hawk, someone's got to die. Yeah. I didn't want to take it that far. AJ's a bit dramatical, isn't he? He has no bets today.

Maybe next time, though. Let's get a winner, huh? Yeah, 100%. I do like the Warriors outright. I'm surprised. Go to hell. It's his pick. And we're obviously biased towards Boston.

A couple of the guys behind me are going to start throwing things at me now. But I'm going with the Warriors. I think the signs are bad for Boston. Thank you, John. That was awesome. Ladies and gentlemen, head odds maker. He's been 0 for 10. We love trends in America.

Boston's maybe the most American place there's ever been, right? I mean, that's. Yeah. They can't lose now. It's also one of the most Irish places, too. I don't know why John's doing this. Oh, yeah. A lot of Irish up there.

A lot of Irish. You don't like the whole leprechaun thing? Yeah. Sure, yeah. I love leprechauns. Shamrocks? Clearly not. Shamrocks?

You don't like shamrocks? And then a... Yeah, Guinness beer. That was your deal. And that kind of a Celtics thing? Yeah. Yeah. You hate Ireland.

I do. What is this descending into? Do you actually? Is this real? No, of course I don't. Jesus. I'm the most patriotic person in the room. I guess not.

All right. Ladies and gentlemen. Let's go Celtics. Ladies and gentlemen, John Sheeran. Hey, everyone. Sounds like, ah, there's Johnny. Ladies and gentlemen, John Sheeran. What a welcome. Hey, everybody.

Guy's had his nose to the grindstone, his ear to the ground, his eyes peeled, because this guy knows soccer inside and out. College football national champion, Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, A.J. Hall. A.J., what did you learn from the United States soccer team yesterday that made you go, you know what? Them boys are going to win the soccer, Lordo. So you said 94 minutes, so we had four minutes of overtime play?

Well, that was just in the second half. It might have been 98, depending upon how many minutes were added in the first half of the game. Oh, wait. Do they put them all on towards the end? They pack them all at the end, though. No, first half has extra time as well. Boom.

Only counting this 45 in the books. Second half does the same thing. So it could have been four at the first half, four in the second half. 98 minutes in total. Zero goals. Three shots against the United States of America. Sean Johnson looks like he's a guy. Looks like he's an absolute stud.

Loves his confidence. Hits some big balls off of his foot. He's 30-something years old. Hasn't got a chance to play a lot. He's ready to go. Three shots. Shut up. Jesus.

Three shots. Quite a cagey match, huh? I guess is that what soccer people like to see? I don't know. I got attacked for saying hashtag soccer here, 00. But Ted and Val passed out. You know who made up the word soccer To describe the sport I thought it was us

Somebody back in England way back in the day Yeah it wasn't us So it was actually soccer was called soccer Before it even came over here I believe I think I think It's tough to get into Whenever that type of shit happens

Let's talk a little bit about the NFL. Aaron Rodgers, mandatory minicamp, AJ. There we go. How about it? He didn't want to get fined a certain amount of money. Who knows what it is? He told us during the draft spectacular that he'd be there for the mandatory minicamp. He's going to take his time figuring himself out, making sure he gets himself right.

He had to win a match, obviously. His arms look like Tom Brady's here, but he appeared to be in incredible shape at the match. What do you think is happening at this mandatory minicamp for Aaron Rodgers? And were you surprised by this, A.J. Hawk? Well, didn't he tell us that he's going back for minicamp? Yes, but it was breaking. Somebody used it as breaking news this morning.

That's right. Well, you know what my question would be? I know a lot of what coaches had done in the past. This is pre-COVID and everything. I don't know if you experienced this or not. I think at least two or three times our minicamp, because we got so much work done in OTAs, we would do maybe one day of minicamp,

and then they would call off the last two days or so, or even the last day. I wonder if they had that scheduled. Now Aaron's there. Okay, we got to make the best of it, get all the reps. So I wonder if all the guys got to stay an extra day and a half because Aaron came back. Who's the rookie wide receiver, Christian?

Christian Watson. All right, Christian. This is what the wide receiver coach is telling Christian. Who's the wide receiver coach? Do we know? Ah, fuck it. Christian? I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. Hey, when Aaron gets here, okay, remember what we worked on. Okay? This is what the wide receiver coach is telling Christian. Please fucking God. When you run that, stick it. That's what this is for all those coaches, I bet. You know, because Aaron's coming in. He knows exactly how the play's supposed to be.

He probably helped design it alongside LaFleur. This has been LaFleur and the coach's time to get the young guys up to, like, where they're at, a judgment almost before training camp on how much they know, how much they don't know. Remember, these OTAs, they walk on it. No ball is allowed on the field for like two weeks. You're not allowed to have a jog in your step. Like there's no pep in your step allowed.

It has to be an actual walkthrough. Offense is only with offense. Then you do another meeting, and then there's a little bit of a ramp-up period where you're allowed to jog at this particular point. Then a ball is allowed to be in there. So it is like Green Bay Packers offense 101, then Green Bay Packers offense 101.1, then Green Bay Packers offense, and then now minicamp happens.

I would assume that the coaches were just hoping to God that their coaching was good enough for aaron to come in and be like great work you know what i'm saying that's something they're actually thinking about i bet you would imagine you would think those coaches yeah running the receivers tight ends even the running backs whoever like anyone on the offense you want your position to be squared away when the big guy gets back in town and gets under center imagine aaron going in there making a check or whatever you know the running back not knowing what the fuck to do. What the fuck?

Get this guy out of here. How is this guy? Aaron doesn't even look at the player. He just looks at his coach. Do we not teach him? When is this, next week? It's over. And then they're done.

And then they leave in a day and a half, and that coach has to sit there for the next six weeks. Oh, man. Listen, sending text messages to that guy. Did you see the look I got? Because you wouldn't line up next to him in that pistol. That's a real thing. Training camp,

I remember who's that dude from Buffalo? He was part of the 30 for 30, J-Mac. The kid that came in and shot and lit up for like 30 points. You remember him? He was Buffalo High School equipment manager for his basketball team. Then senior night, he got to go in, J-Mac, and he put up 30.

He just like got in fuego from three points. He became friends with like Tony Dungy through an event. So then he was at our training camp for like the first couple years I was there. And he had this electrifying Peyton Manning impression. Electrifying Peyton Manning impression. It was awesome. And one of the things that was in his impression was like, come over here, Austin, basically, which was Austin Colley.

And it was Peyton just disappointed with Austin, like, throughout training camp. Like, no, you're fucking over here. Like, all right, you're over here. That's probably what this minicamp is right now with Aaron and everybody. Welcome back. He's not the only quarterback, by the way, that is showing up at OTAs for the first time. Now, although it'll be chatted about more than anybody else,

Kyler Murray's back in the building. Lamar Jackson, we assume he's going to be in there for the mandatory stuff. Tom Brady's going to be there for the mandatory stuff. Now football feels like it's even closer than ever. Connor, how many days are we? 94 days, Pat. We're right there. Here we go! How many days until camp opens?

Come on, Connor. Here we go. How many days is it before then? 17 days is the team? I don't know. When is the Hall of Fame game? August 4th. Yeah, like two months. Probably like 7 or 10 before that. Yeah, but

every team has a certain amount of days that are allowed before the game, right? That's why the Hall of Fame game stinks because that game is extended. Your days are extended three days before everybody else's. Well, in first year head coaches, don't those teams – A week earlier. Yeah, so like the Raiders, Miami. That's OTAs.

Yeah, not camp. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, because that's a whole new thing. Well, didn't they want to make like the first day of camp like a midnight madness type thing? Wasn't that a conversation last year? I don't know. It wouldn't be for the Thursday night game, though. It would be for everybody on Sunday, right?

Yeah. What do you mean like a midnight madness? For practice, they wanted to build it up. That's like high school does. High school does Friday night lights like their first day of pads. Sometimes they'll do it at midnight, like at least in Ohio they do. That's awesome. That's everybody playing on the same day.

Thursday is three days before. I assume those teams are going three days before everybody else is. Then the Hall of Fame game has it. How many days before the first game are teams allowed to report? Oh, the first preseason. There's an actual day. I remember this because we did the Hall of Fame game. You can look up reporting dates, can't you?

They're not out yet. But we can do the math right now. I mean, we can figure this out. Yeah, this is like last year's. So we had Hall of Fame game, Thanksgiving Day game, Christmas Eve game, New Year's Day game. Same season. I retired after that. I retired after that.

I retired after that. All right. In here longer every single day. Got no surgery. This guy hates me. I'm fucking working for i hate him too give me the fuck out of here seems like the universe is telling me not to do it so it's a certain amount of days though but there's thursday night games obviously reporting before then i feel like we're close aj aren't we we're close like this like mandatory minicamp crept up on me i feel like yeah it does

it has seemed like this offseason has at times to to drag along but now that they're going to mandatory minicamp like okay like is as far as a play in a player's mind you're like all right the countdown pretty much begins right after this yeah you got to be in shape now like now you got to get into you know a little bit of shape you're going back like i'm going back i'm not going back for otas i'm going back to strap it up and crack skulls for seven months. Yeah, and then, you know, this mandatory OTAs thing, the mandatory minicamp, this was a conversation Aaron Rodgers had coming out of the COVID,

and I don't think he was the only one. Without the mandatory minicamp, and then a month off, and then training camp. So you go from OTAs, which is walk, walk, walk, kind of go. Then you go into mandatory minicamp, which is a little bit more high impact. And then you're off for a month and a half. And then you go back into training camp, and it's just here we are. We're way back in there. A lot of the older guys, I think, said their bodies don't react necessarily well to the month and a half off

after going full go and then down and then back up that's why the covid ramp up where they extended training camp like what three weeks otas was right into training camps and then training camp one in the season you heard like a lot of the older players say we like this a lot more they're talking about this what's happening right now how many days is this three days uh yeah usually i think you have three practice days i thought it was during the weekend. This one's happening on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I think it was always, wasn't it always a weekend?

I don't know. When I first got in the league, I think it was on the weekend, and then it kind of changed. Just moved to regular weeks. It doesn't matter. I think I went, because it was always a short week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then the coach sometimes would let you go Tuesday after practice, no meetings or whatever, and you get a full day and a half extra.

That'd be awesome. We had Chuck cut off the last day of minicamp one time because we had 99.9% attendance through voluntary minicamp, OTAs and everything. And then mandatory minicamp, the only person we were waiting on was hurt and couldn't do anything. So Chuck was like, all right. The only reason why we're going to do this is for this guy.

This guy can't even run right now, so we were out of here. That's why you just got to hope everybody shows up in health, in good shape. Aaron looked good at the match. He did. He did. He looked absolutely young. Is he throwing a rock at this thing? Does he normally throw the ball around at Bantori Minicamp? I think so, but it's been a couple years since he's been there, I feel like. Is he going to throw

at this, A.J.S.? I would imagine with a bunch of new guys. You think he flew back into town to sit there and just do handoffs? Yeah, probably not. But didn't you say he never throws a ball in the offseason?

In the offseason as in, I think, when he's on his free time. When he goes back to Green Bay, I don't think he ever sits there and has non-throwing days. Maybe during camp he does. Are those guys fucking

wheeling out the net? Are we about to get a net shot out of here? Hopefully. Is that happening this afternoon? Probably doing that right now. Tim Odie's probably wheeling that sucker right there

and doing a little dance when he drains his first one. Everybody, keep your eyes peeled for a ball traveling 50 to 60 yards into a net that is the size of a basketball hoop. That's right. With no backboard. Oh, I can't wait. It's coming.

I'm excited now. I can't wait. That's what training camp becomes, basically, with him. It's like, oh, how many balls can he throw in the nets from how far away? And then last year, was Jordan Love going to attempt to throw a football in the same net? No, he is not. Well, they did him dirty very early last year where he rolled out

and missed the entire target, and then we didn't see a whole lot of Jordan Love clips for the rest of the – Oh, which reminds us, let's make sure these social media teams are attempting to make the players that they represent look as good as possible. Obviously, there's the Miami Dolphins-Tua situation, which Peter King has elaborated on with some pro football focus

stats and everything like that. That was a full conversation. Tua has answered, and they put out another video in which he looks... He did a chip diamond right here in his press conference, which I absolutely love. Then Denver Broncos put out the behind the scenes of the. Sweet. Yeah.

Agreed. Agreed. Everybody thinks it's awesome. That's why we talked about it. That's why it's getting quoted in articles, and we're getting texts from people around the fucking league talking about it because of how sweet it was all right that's obviously something the nfl okay at nfl bronco country at nfl okay the league the fucking league roger goodell yes that's right posted something this weekend about what they did to the rookies at this rookie showcase that every rookie is kind of forced to go to, and they just achieved their dream.

I'm in the NFL. Now somebody who's acting as if they are the NFL says, hey, let me take a photo of you. Then it turns out it's a video, so everybody just looks like a bunch of fucking slapdicks standing there, you know what I mean? But the way it was worded from the NFL account, I asked these players to stand here for a photo and didn't tell them it was a video just to see how long they would stand for.

Well, you're the fucking NFL. These dudes are going to stand forever. They're at your fucking showcase. I don't love this whole anything is content these days, making some people potentially look like, yeah, shit or a stooge. I don't love this whole anything is content these days, making some people potentially look like, yeah, shit, we're a stooge. I don't love it, AJ. I do not love it. I mean, I don't get it.

So this is like their attempt at being very funny? I don't know. I don't know. Look, some of them are still posing, and the way it was set up was. I mean, they're lucky these guys have good personalities, and they mean well, and they're excited to be there. Like, this is dumb. Well, they just kept going.

It's like, all right, NFL, no fucking shit. You don't understand the power you wield when you say we are the NFL. Don't do whatever you want. Whatever you want, they're putting on their... It's the first time. It's the first time in their life they're wearing their NFL uniform, their dream.

They're going to stand there for three days if you tell them. If you tell... Whatever the fuck you... Look, they're dressing up in the middle of a stadium, traveling to do this in their full gear, doing whatever the, Matt Corral looks super cool in the video, as did Aiden Hutchinson.

His head looks gigantic. That guy needs a triple XL helmet, I bet, Aiden Hutchinson. He's going to bring the wood. But they would stand there forever, NFL social media person. Which then leads me to this one. A Madden. Oh, boy. Alright, Madden.

Madden's social team put out a 420p update of what the next Madden is going to look like. And they were like, oh, look at this. Obviously, immediately buried. This had to be a new social person that has never worked with Madden before and didn't understand all of the

things that are said about Madden. Honestly, I used to watch my brother and his friends play Madden. This looks like the same game they played like 15 years ago. Super Nintendo. It looks like on Super Nintendo back when I played.

Yeah, so obviously, Connor texted me. It's a good cut. It is a great cut. That's actually new. Use your hard cut. So, no big deal. It's a good cut.

It gets you out of there. That's a 360 cut you're able to do. But it looks the exact same or whatever and a couple of missed tackles, which people would say isn't very realistic. But Connor texted me immediately and goes, we need Charles Davis on the show this week so we can ask him about this new video. It's like because some social member decided to post a clip of this, Charles Davis has to get buried for it.

I don't think so, Connor. No, I don't want to bury Charles Davis, but I want to ask, like, who's the dipshit who thought he reinvented the wheel and just put out the same exact game that they've been doing for the last five years? This is a social media degree problem. Yes. We are currently in the middle of it. And this sounds like we would never be the people that would call it out because we are internet people,

but I think that's why we are calling it out. Like, hey, not everything has to be content. Like, you don't have to bury people for your content. You can do it in a different fashion. This is your fault, Foxy. Oh, hey, actually, I had the opportunity to get a social media degree. I said, no, no, no. That has to be absolutely pointless.

And to this day, I'm pretty proud of that. Way to go. Hey, nice job, Foxy. What do you do? Are you good at running Twitter? Yeah, you got a good feel for things that are happening? How does someone teach you that? How?

Yeah. It's tough to teach, like, you got a good feel for things that are happening. How does someone teach you that? Yeah. It's tough to teach like awareness. That's kind of what you're teaching. That's the NFL one. Posting that and being like, yeah, we did it. Wait, and then with the little, on the thing,

wait for it. Okay, let me wait for it. And then he says, oh, is this a video? Oh, okay. And then somebody put in there, I think it was another account, like God,

I'm like, no shit. You're the fucking nfl you're dealing with the best athletes on world and that's what you come up with like you could do some awesome stuff very true i mean which they're trying though hey maybe at least they tried they did the cry face that's that's what doesn't make sense the cry face filter yeah that's layers cry face good feel good feel for what's going on followed it up with what do they do like they just put the cry face filter On the people

They put your face After Connor called you fat I didn't do that though Right Exactly On everybody's No On everybody's face

Yeah That's the new filter That was you two Did you two actually apologize yet? Well Tony actually already said this In the first hour It was Yeah he took a weekend

To think about it And while you were fucking up there On a fake lake No no no Yeah In an all black suit That's right Outdoor wedding Middle of suit. That's right.

Outdoor wedding. Middle of the summer. That's right. Diggs was thinking about it and he was like, he did call me fat. That fucking guy was the part. Well, actually, no. I brought up A.Q. Shipley.

Then we got to the bottom of it that A.Q. Shipley was actually being a dirtbag so that, you know, you're not even doing shrugs, right? And, you know, on Friday, Diggs did say that both of you owe an apology.

It sounds like you guys didn't apologize. You kind of did. You did. Yeah, it sounds like you guys did an apology. That's not it. I never said that. You kind of did. You did. Yeah, it started a full thing. Pervading. Yeah, but I never said I wanted an apology. Well, kind of.

It was in the conversation. Just like he said in the vein of broken down bodies, there was an apology conversation that was happening where you pointed blame at me in time. Because I respect you guys. I don't respect anyone who apologizes for anything. The person respects. Is that a Dwayne Johnson shirt? Project Rock, dude.

Get with it. He was fucking. Fucking you, Diggs. The person. Respect. Is that a Dwayne Johnson shirt? Project Rock, dude. Get with it. He was fucking. You digs. Except for the NFL, they should apologize because this is going to lead to hazing. If they think we could

haze at the highest level, kids are going to be getting fucking swirlies. This is the Will Smith effect. Yeah. There you go. Joining us now is a man who would never haze anybody.

No. All he does is create good content. This man has won a fucking Emmy before. Holy shit. Fresh out of Sean McVay's wedding this weekend Congrats to the To the lovebirds

Mr. and Mrs. McVay I was going to take a guess At what her name was And you saw my brain go Give it a shot No idea I have no clue But anyways, congrats to the McVays

This man was in attendance. He won an Emmy. He's going to weddings. Now he's joining us. We're so thankful. Ladies and gentlemen, Peter Schrager. Yeah, Peter! Veronica and Sean McVeigh tied the knot this weekend, huh, Schrags?

How was it? You nailed it. It was incredible. You would have enjoyed my seat in this thing. So I go and Kyle Brandt joked that I almost pulled the move from The Graduate and bang on the window like, no, because I don't want to marry Sean other than myself. But he ends up marrying a woman named Veronica, who's lovely. It's kind of been crappy for them. That last three times they're supposed to have this wedding. It was postponed because of COVID. So here we are, and we finally have this wedding, and it was great. But I'm like in the catbird seat. It was a who's who in the NFL, and my table was a hilarious one. It's Kingsbury and his date and me and my wife, Erica,

and then you have Colt McCoy and his wife who are awesome sitting at the table also. Colt was with Washington Redskins when Sean was coaching there, and they knew each other. But it's like LeFleur, Staley, O'Connell you name it it was a coaching convention but also the players all over there that the rule was from him captains only so there was like a hard cut off so it couldn't be the whole team so Donald, Kupp, Stafford, Jordan Fuller and a bunch of old players that like I love. Eric Weddle was in the house.

Loved partying with Weddle. He was awesome. Connor Barwin. Good dudes. It was a great, great night. But you would have liked it because Kingsbury and I were just soaking in tequila, just commenting on everything going on in the room and kind of watching it all go down. You would have enjoyed the commentary because a lot was going down.

It was fun. It was great. How cool did Cliff Kingsbury look, the way i saw that he looks like he's james bond and i noticed he doesn't open his mouth when he smiles doesn't smile doesn't smile he kind of grins a little bit but he looks so fucking cool all the time is that what everybody says at the coaching convention that wedding that was is it like wow cliff why do you look cool all the time? Is that how everybody talks to him? He was laid back. He had the right suit on. He didn't wear any socks,

which I thought was interesting for a black tie wedding. I also thought this was cool, and I'm not Mr. Crashy, Mr. Graceful, but McVeigh was wearing a black tuxedo for the entirety of the night. Then at the end, he comes back, and he had a white tuxedo on. A groom with a costume change. Had never seen that before. I mentioned entirety of the night then at the end he comes back and he had a white tuxedo on a groom a groom

with a costume change had never seen that before i mentioned that he didn't he didn't want me to go and expand on that much he kind of wanted to brush it off like no no no no hollywood is that is that and he says yeah i got another tuxedo for the second half of the night i'm pretty cool that's what happens when you win the super Bowl in L.A. Costume changes at the wedding. Also, three delays because of COVID wedding. He had a lot of costumes picked out throughout. Get a chance to use both of them. Go ahead, AJ.

Shregs, how long did the party go? Did you close it down? And who was with you, maybe? I did. I was one of the last ones on the dance floor because there was some delicious desserts going down, and I was not denying that. But I was on the dance floor for most of it.

I'll tell you, Raheem Morris was the star of the dance floor. He's their defensive coordinator, but he's obviously been the coach of the Buccaneers. This guy would not get off the dance floor, encouraging everyone to get on. I don't think LaFleur stepped foot on the dance floor. I was kind of disappointed. I was talking to him, like, does LaFleur not dance? They're like, no, he's kind of a laid-back guy.

He's not a big dancer. A discouraged by that maybe you could talk to rogers what's up with that um but yeah the dance floor's going i'd say till about 1 a.m and then there was an after after party that i i could not make i was not a part of that but i was there for most of it was beyonce playing at the after party she might have been she might have been i didn't get that invite um i was only there but the initial part. But there was a good crew. I mean, Al Michaels was in the house. I mean, I don't know Al Michaels. That's pretty cool.

He was there. I was talking to him for a little bit. And, of course, a lot of the Rams staffers, their front office guys, their owner. Like, it was a cool, cool night. And she was cool. And her friends and her bridesmaids and her side of the family, I don't know any of those folks. But they were incredible and brought the energy. So, an amazing wedding. i'll tell you this just watching how like stafford hangs with

mcveigh and how donald was in a good place with everybody like i don't know it seems like the rams they're in a pretty uh pretty cool spot they feel pretty good about each other i don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon well congrats to everybody it sounds like a fantastic weekend out there was it in los ang Angeles? Yeah, of course. In Los Angeles, in Beverly Hills. I got there on a Thursday night, but I made sure Friday morning to sit in the sun and come in glowing. I had the most impeccable tan going. Then it turned to sunburn, and it wasn't so great when I got dressed for the evening.

Yeah, that happens to me, too. Don't worry about it. You had color. That's all that matters. You didn't look like an out-of-towner. You looked fantastic. Let's talk about LeFleur. How boozed up was he? Mandatory minicamp. Everybody talking

about Aaron, you know, not being at the voluntary OTAs. Head coach is out there boozing with fucking Raheem Morrison, the boys. Okay, until 1 a.m. at least in L.A. Just two days before mandatory minicamp. Is this Sean McVay trying to take down every team in the NFL, having these right before mandatory minicamps?

It's funny you say that because LaFleur, there's a Friday night event. LaFleur wasn't there. I thought, I was like, that's kind of messed up. I know they're very good friends. And he's like, we had practice yesterday, bro. Like, we actually had practice on Friday, and I took a flight, and I'm like, oh, a private flight? And LaFleur's like, no, no, Joe barry defensive coordinator we connected through detroit to be here so he

should be happy i'm here i'm like okay i get it they're in a great place they're in a great place they were like talk they were talking about these two new defensive rookies um this this wyatt and this walker that they got and their initial thoughts on them so i didn't get into the weeds but i'll tell you this. LaFleur has spoken with Rodgers in recent weeks because he said he had just spoken to them. They're in great place. And Rodgers is fired up. LaFleur is fired up.

I think they're kind of thriving on the fact that everyone thinks that this team can't do anything without Devontae Adams. We'll see. Do you think every single coach is happy with their rookie class from OTAs at that wedding? And if they weren't, would they tell everybody that they're happy with their rookie class at this wedding through OTAs? It's funny. Everyone was very positive.

Brandon Stanley, all this stuff off the record, of course. But it was like, we got this great new first round pick. He comes in. He wants to play foot. And I'm like, I'm waiting for one of these guys to be like, RGM fucked it up. We fucking missed. We missed. RGM fucked it up.

This guy walked in the room and he sucks like that hasn't happened yet though i'm waiting i've been doing this a long time i haven't gotten that in june yet by august i'll know but by june no everyone's the best thing ever that's awesome shrieks is it ever hard from your perspective when you're trying to talk to different front offices and coaches on who may have the power to like make that final pick i know some head coaches have more power than others when it comes to drafting players and bringing them in. Is that something that – are they pretty open about that? After the fact.

You know, like years after, they'll say, like, for example, you'll get one where it's like a superstar comes into the league and the coach on the back end is like, yeah, we could have had him, but the GM wanted this guy. And usually that coach is no longer coaching there. But for the most part, there's no value in telling me that, like, yeah, we could have had him, but, you know, the GM wanted this guy. And usually that coach is no longer coaching there. But for the most part, there's no value in telling me that, like, hey, we wanted him, but the other guy wanted him because not only did he not want that dirty laundry out there, but, AJ, the last thing you want is to be like, yeah, but I wanted him.

But I wanted him ends up sucking. And it's the guy the GM took that was actually better off anyway. Yeah, everybody seems to be stirring shit that makes them look better at all times. I would assume with an Emmy winning. Yeah, that's right. Hey, are you walking in there a little differently now that you've won a fucking Emmy? to be staring at shit that makes them look better at all times. I would assume with an Emmy winning. Yeah, that's right. Hey, are you walking in there a little differently now that you've won a fucking Emmy?

You know, these head coaches can talk all they want. You're an Emmy winner now. A Super Bowl champion of media. It's true. I got off the airport. I got off the plane in L.A. And there was like... Hopped on the plane in L.A.

To a dream and I caught again. Welcome to the land of fanatic sex. Am I gonna fit in? My name's Traeger and I got an Emmy. Everybody has sawed me. Keep it going. I like this. You guys had it.

Yeah. This is all so crazy. Fucking Traeger. Everybody loves got my emmy all right anyways sorry about it did they treat you any differently was there a celebration for you winning the emmy over there or not there wasn't i'll tell you it was kind of great like i get in there and uh i was waiting for the paparazzi at la it didn't happen and then i get to the wedding and no one said anything at the ceremony at the ceremony kevin o'connell comes over and like brings me and he's new coach of the vikings and i've known him for years but

brings me in close and is like very sincerely like hey you guys earned that and i know when nate left like people like wrote you guys off you guys put it together and you guys still got the emmy and you know k's leaving and maybe you'll get another one but i respect the hell out of you guys and i'm like gosh now i understand like i was ready to run through a wall for this dude. And I'm like, I get it. These guys are NFL coaches. It was amazing. The fact that he even knew that was great.

So Kevin O'Connell noticed. That's all that I care about. Well, you know they're forced to watch the NFL Network in every NFL building. I know. Not forced. They get electric shocks if they don't have it on. I know. But you have been a welcomed addition to every single NFL building.

Think about for a long time what it was. We have to, we have to, we have to. And then all of a sudden, good morning football comes rolling in the town. Every morning, we get to watch good morning football. Congrats to you for that. Ty has a question for you. Yeah, Shrek, speaking of GMFB, is the kind of honeymoon phase champagne popping bottle ceremony done?

You guys going to get back to work? Get back in the studio? What the fuck's going on? We're still remote. Look, I wish it was champagne phase. I'd be off right now and I'd be in the south of France at a hostel or an Airbnb. But it's

not the case. No, in fact, we're on air. We're on remote. We're still doing shows. And we'll be back in studio, I think, for the start of training camp. But for now, we're just on air. It's a month away.

We're going to be in the studio. We're doing it. Pat, we're doing it. I don't know. Is it COVID? I'll make those decisions. It's not COVID. I think it's more, hey, let's, I don't know if it's cost-saving or it's energy-saving,

but it's easier for everyone to not have to be commuting into New York when there's no NFL news. We're going to do the best show possible. And I'll tell you, our show is still pretty damn good today, even on remote. I'll put it up again. We agree. We agree. We love your show. We love your show.

But I think the reason why we want to see you guys back to studios because we want the deets on Who's gonna be the next cast? Like Saturday Night Live over there, you know who's coming in Davidson's out who's coming in? Davidson's out Kyle Mooney love that dude. He's out but we have not found or been told our house. I've said this before I so respect um k adams and all the all the amazing stuff that we've done together those are massive shoes to fill and i have not been asked i have not weighed in i am going to be a player and let management coach and gm this thing and they'll tell us who they have in mind when they have someone but for now uh there's been

some temporary hosts here and there, but there has been no replacement named. And I'm as curious as you guys as far as what management's going to do. Management, always a good person to blame for everything. I don't want to blame. I trust them. I don't want to be the one to blame. No, no, no, no.

Blame in credit. In credit. Blame. Hey, listen, blame in credit. I didn't mean that to be as negative, but good luck to management. Okay? Good luck to management. Management put us on the air for 30 minutes with no sound.

Whenever you think about Matt LaFleur flying coach on Spirit through Detroit from Green Bay to L.A., was he the only coach that did that, or is that just kind of common practice around the NFL, a lot of blue-collar guys traveling? I think a lot of blue-collarars i don't know if there were any i mean i know o'connell was telling me he was flying back to minneapolis because he had practiced uh this morning he was back early on sunday these guys they are men of the people and they are ladies of the people and their wives some of that i think la flora's wife brie actually came in earlier than sean

because she's as good a friend earlier than mac she's as good of friends with with sean and veronica as matt is. And she's like, Matt will be here. He'll be here. You can't trust the airlines, you know. Layovers in Detroit. It's a tough time. Yeah, well, I'm happy everybody made it to this celebration. We're happy you got to be there and tell us what it was like. You know, let us dabble

with what the experience is amongst the stars of Beverly Hills there. Connor has a question for you, Shregs. Yeah, Shregs, you said Raheem Moore has kind of lit up the dance floor as a coach. What players were out there kind of doing their thing? Is Stafford better than Kopp? Is Donald, you know, the clear favorite? I mean, Colt McCoy, I could see him having, you know,

a snake in his boot here and there. Did he have boots on, Colt? A snake? No, Colt, I was hoping for, like, full attire. No, Colt was dressed in a tuxedo like a gentleman, like he was going out on the town in New York or LA. I was hoping for that Texas look. He didn't bring that one.

You know, as far as players go, I saw one player who wasn't tearing it up, but, like, I love that he was out there the whole night. Jordan Fuller is a safety. He's their captain. He's a third-year guy. Whereas the other players were kind of laying low. Oh, Whitworth, big Whit. He was out there.

Hard to miss him. He was dancing hard. But I did not see much Aaron Donald. Bar in the back? I did not see much Stafford. Bar in the back? Dantzler in the front? All those guys were hanging by the bar in the back,

and there was a lot of talk from the players. I didn't see as much dance. I was hoping a wobble would come out or something, but nothing of the sort. Nothing of the sort. Aaron Donald and McVay negotiated a deal when he was in his white tux at the end of the night yeah but he was wearing the black tux early the james bond like no

they're a little looser they got it done i didn't see them talking uh money but i definitely saw a few embraces we'll see what happens as far as him and uh maybe cooper cup who knows i thought all those guys were there i thought that was a good sign. Put it on a ticker. Maybe Cooper Cup down there. Saw it in the white tux or the black tux? He was in the black tux for the early conversations. The white tux, though, I think is when he was getting down for the nitty gritty. White tux McVeigh doing

deals with Cooper Cup. Just jacket? Zito, we have inside that it was just a jacket. It wasn't a full tux. It was just a jacket change. First time I've seen that. I was having fun. The tequila won that night. Go ahead, AJ.

Shregs, are there – you get any sense that the Rams are pissed off that everyone is saying the Buffalo Bills are going to win the Super Bowl? I don't think it's just the Rams. I think you go down to, like, Kansas City. Well, you were just with the Rams. Yeah, I don't think they're concerned too much about that stuff. I think they're in their honeymoon phase too.

But I'm talking nationally as far as the weeks and the months of the offseason. It has not been a Rams offseason as far as when we talk about these teams. It's been more about Josh Allen and the Bills and what they've got going for them and how it's going to be. I did a whole thing about how I thought Josh Allen had more pressure than what they've got going for them and how it's going to be that way. Like,

you know, I did a whole thing about how I thought Josh Allen had more pressure than anybody because of all the expectations. And I got a text from someone at Cincinnati. Like, did we not go to the super bowl? Did we not, you know, do what we did?

Like, are we not building an indoor facility? Are we not actually building an indoor facility? Like it's hilarious that all these other teams are being overlooked because of what the bills did in a loss in the divisional round. So I think that's a talking point. And if I know those Buffalo guys at all, they enjoy the target on their back. It's just unfortunate that they don't have the skins on the wall

to say that we've done it. They just have kind of done it based on expectations. But I'd be shocked if Josh Allen, when the season starts, is not, like, number one for MDP. And if if the bills aren't the top team as far as like who's gonna win the super bowl as far as odds go and you had your your fan dual odds maker on i'd be curious to see come august if the bills of the team and everyone's saying still and there you go bills look at the rams all the way forth it's kind of crazy isn't it yes it is well we don't know what's happening with aaron donald obviously best player in football you alluded to a Cooper Cup deal

potentially happening uh the Chiefs and Bucks the Bucks have Tom Brady back and they weren't even in Tom Brady's top five weapons in the NFC team that's right Chris Evan or Chris Godwin Mike Evans everybody's alluding to Gronk going back there got rojos no? No. He's gone, but Lenny's back. Rojos is gone. Lenny's back. Giovanni Bernard, I believe, is back. Where's Ojan? Buffalo. They went and got Hakeem Hicks. I like Hakeem Hicks. What's that mean for Sue, Shregs?

I don't know about Sue's future in Tampa. I would love to see them come to a one-year deal for something, but I'm not sure. When they signed Hicks, I'm not sure when they get when they signed Hicks I'm not sure there's enough the cliff The cliff get boozed up at all. Where's he at? He was back by the bar I assume the whole time good lean good shoulder lean good elbow. Cliff Cliff was not doing the Macarena with me I'll tell you that's a little too cool for that. He was he was he was hanging he was drinking and I know they've got

Practice this morning in 110 degree heat. I love to see what he's sweating out this morning because i can't imagine doing that after the night we had it great song think about that thing catching oh i know i know huge hit a huge hit still goes still goes did you talk to him about Kyler at all? Feels like that's no worries for anybody. We'll figure it out. That's what he said all along. Like, it'll figure itself out.

He loves Kyler. And Colt McCoy is sitting at my table. He loves Kyler. Kyler's not going anywhere. I hope. Hey, Macarena. What's going on, Kyler? Hey, Macarena.

Hey. Hey. Hey. My goodness. Hey. Hello. Yes. You're the best, dude. We appreciate you. Thank your wife, Erica, for allowing some time with us on a regular basis. We know you work hard. We can't wait to see you back in the studio.

Ladies and gentlemen, friend of the show, Peter Schrager. Thank you. Thank you. friend of the show, Peter Schrager. Thank you. We're about to have a conversation with a guy who is an absolute superstar. Former first round pick, three point champion. Absolute sharpshooter.

Co-host of the Knuckleheads podcast. We've seen him on ESPN. NBA OG. Ladies and gentlemen, Quinn Richardson. What's up, man? Appreciate you guys. Appreciate you having me. Now, that's not a true statement, right?

Because what's-his-face got banned from the building? Was it last year or two years ago? Who? Charles Oakley. Oakley. Oh, you're telling me. That's right, isn't it? I mean, I'm sorry.

It's great to see you. Hey, great to see you. Sorry about that. But literally all I could see there was the once a Knick, always a Knick thing. I didn't know if that was still a thing. Is that still a thing yet? Yeah, man, that's true. That's always true.

Once a Knick, always a Knick. Yes. I forget I had this shirt on. I'm tripping, my bad. No, no, no. It's awesome. Thank you for joining us. I know you're, especially with the NBA Finals and playoffs,

you've been all over the place crushing for everybody. So congrats on a hell of a playoff run, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Including here. Yeah, we appreciate you. Let's talk about last night. I think the conversation we wanted to have early about it was basically Van Gundy and Steve Javy,

or Javy, whoever's Disney, ESPN, or ABC's ref expert, talking about the potential second technical that Draymond Green could have received, but he didn't receive. And then Steve Javy gets on there and he says, well, when you look at the time, it's the finals game two, the score. Why would you want Draymond to get ejected for that after getting attacked? Which by the way, all sounds great, but I think a lot of people took that and were like, see, refs pick and choose when they're going to do what they're going to do. Is that always going to be a conversation around the NBA, and

how do players deal with that type of stuff? I think we as players, we've known that. We know which referees, how they call games. I mean, the smart players know these things. They know, you know, first you know the referees by name. That's one of the first things that your OGs

and your vets tell you when you get in the league. You learn the referees by name, and you one of the first things that your OGs and your vets tell you when you get in the league. You learn the referees by name, and you talk to them and speak to them at the beginning of the game and things like that. But I mean, over time, you kind of get a feel for the different referees, how they call things, how they call, you know, as far as text and physicality. You get a feel for that as players.

So whenever you hear a guy say that they're picking and choosing, basically, when things happen, like everybody just knows in the playoffs, it's a different breed of basketball than during the regular season. And especially in the finals, the refs are just going to be a little bit more loose until they're not, by the way, until they're not right. I think it's a situation where, where you, you, you obviously, you know, I think first

of all, if you're being honest here, what happened, I think it should have been a technical. Okay. I love Draymond, and I know that that's how he plays. And I respect the way he plays, and I respect what he brings to the table. And by the way, I think him playing that way is what gave them that game last night. He came in there, and he put his fingerprints all over that game. I don't care what any statistics say about him, the way he played, the mentality, the way he told that line and possibly could have won over.

But my thing is that even that being his identity, he's smart enough to know and he's smart enough to know that he's cost his team in the finals before by being eliminated or pulled from action and stuff like that. So, I mean, just that one situation jaylen brown where it was the pushing and shoving and that that little bit when you know you have a technical he has to be smarter than that because i don't think he gets that whistle of there in boston and the crowd is booing and reacting he may not get that same call kate rich when you're watching steph play like when i watch him play i hear all the commentators everyone talk about how much attention he draws, how much like the defenders have to always be aware.

And we know Steph never stops moving. Is that real or is that overblown, like how much attention really defenses have to pay to Steph? No, I mean, that's a real thing. I mean, I think, you know, the biggest thing you can look at is look at how much he's worked on his body. I mean, he came in, he was a skinny little guy, you know, getting bumped and knocked around. I mean, if you really see him in person, he's gotten bigger, like noticeably bigger, stronger, bigger arms. And like his conditioning is second to none. He flies around, running around the court, the whole game. Like that's what makes him so deadly as a shooter is that there's never been somebody who can, who can shoot the ball as great as he can off the dribble, but then you can take the ball out of his hand and he turns into a Ray Allen or a Rip Hamilton type running off screens,

Reggie Miller type stuff going and stopping it. And so, I mean, he can do it in so many different ways. And by the way, that that's incredibly hard to defend as a defender to have to run around and chase him. That ain't easy.

So he has a whole nother career waiting for him basically right as ray allen i mean that's the that's i mean that's i think that's the uniqueness that's what makes him so unique and that puts him at the top of the shooters list of all time i mean he does it on every level he can i mean from shooting free throws to shooting threes to shooting almost half-court threes to shooting off the dribble to not having the ball to being able to run and literally become a Ray Allen or a Reggie Miller-type player. He can do that.

He can run off screens. He can do all those different things. But then he can also drive to the hole and shoot the mid-range. He can shoot. He can get to the hole and finish through contact. So that's what makes Steph, you know, as special as he is. What was it, the end of the first maybe? I think it was the end of the first when he just went behind He can shoot. He can get to the hole and finish through contact. So that's what makes Steph, you know, as special as he is. What was it, the end of the first maybe?

Or the end of the – I think it was the end of the first when he just went behind his back like four or five times and then had like a little mid-range off the glass with half a second. It's like, holy – this dude's maybe one – now where do you rank him as a point guard? Because, I mean, this entire – you don't have to give a top whatever, but he's one of the top point guards in the game as well, right? Like his handles are among the top in the game, I'd assume, right? Him and Kyrie.

Absolutely. He's right up there with the best of them. I mean, obviously, I think Kyrie, you know, is pretty much considered the best. But, I mean, Steph, he's no slouch whatsoever. He's right up there with the best of them handling the ball and being creative and doing all the things, making people fall. And, you know, baby, people look silly out there. So, yeah, he got all of that.

Now, obviously, the refs are going to make this go to seven, right? The refs, it feels like they're going to make it go to seven. I mean, you can't say that. Maybe you can. I'm not 100% sure. But outside looking in, that's how we view it, I feel like, especially with the Tim Donahue situation. Then last night happening, and it's like, oh, okay,

so these refs will be like, eh, seems like we can keep this thing kind of in there. They were able to win by 20-plus. 19. Sorry, but it was the last shot, I guess. They were able to win by 20 without Clay even playing basketball well at all. He's number two for them. Now, Poole's a guy,

Wiggins is a guy, obviously Draymond's his thing. Are the Warriors going to win this, or are the Celtics more set up, you think, with the entirety of the way their team plays? Listen, I don't know. I don't know yet. I'm definitely looking at it going back and forth, going seven game series and being seven game, you know, anything can happen.

I think all bets are off when you get to game seven, you got to throw everything out the window. But I literally like me and me and D miles. We were just going back and forth, but I don't know who's going to win. I would like that being that I have a personal connection with Jason Tatum. That's like our little bro. We got the same age and I know his dad.

I played against his dad in college. We grew up kind of playing against each other, know each other, Larry Hughes, a godfather. We all like family. So I have in my heart, I want Tatum to win, but

I can't say that I have a great feel for which team is going to prevail because I think it's going to be back and forth to the seventh game. Guy Connor? Yeah, Q Rich, Emi Udoka got a technical foul yesterday during the game. How rare is that? Because he really doesn't ever do that. And also,

Tatum and Brown are playing unbelievable, but you can't really rely on horford to score 26 points every game or a shot yeah or shoot the goddamn ball yeah how how do you think they actually make it all the way like is tatum and jaylen brown gonna have to score 80 points combined every game i i mean i've said that from the outset of this series i said that i do believe for boston to have a legitimate chance to win this that that Tatum and Brown are going to have to be outstanding. And I still believe it. I still believe they're going to have to score between 25 and 30 each,

like somewhere between each of them scoring between 25 or 30 apiece. So I think they definitely need to do that for them to really be able to get a chance to win this. As far as E-Man, that technical, I saw that. I love that technical. I felt like at that moment that he saved Marcus Smart from getting a technical, and that was like something that great coaches do when they see their team or even just trying to inspire his team. But I felt like Marcus Smart, if E-May didn't get that technical,

then Marcus Smart might have. Coach E-May, what is he doing that's different than Brad Stevens, right? Because this was just one handover, one year, same exact team. Stevens goes into the president's role I think or whatever. And then E-May takes over the team. And I know at the beginning of the season, everybody's talking about them not being great because he wanted to institute some defensive

shit. Is that what it is? Is it more discipline? More accountability? Has the team just grown? What do you think it is that has separated the Brad Stevens led Celtics to now that Coach E-May led Celtics? I think it's a little bit of all of that. I mean, it's difficult sometimes to just give, you know, the new guy all of the credit, although I

think Emei has done an outstanding, outstanding job, but I think, you know, it takes that growth from the players to know that hey, this wasn't working in the past and like trying to bite, you know, it was a rough patch in the beginning, but eventually they bought in, so you got to give the team a lot of credit. You got to give Coach Brad Stevens credit for acknowledging that E-May

was the person for the job and him being right. But I absolutely think it's the, you know, it's the pedigree. I mean, E-May was a player. He was, you know, he was a no-nonsense business-type player. He handled his business, and he was where he's supposed to be, did things the right way. He played for the Spurs. Then he coached under Pop. So he's got that pedigree of discipline and and doing things the right way

and i think that now you know that he did they've seen the fruits of his labor they bought in and they see that he's he had a great plan and a great strategy and it's been working for them and i think he has a great great relationship with those players because he's challenged them in the ways that he knows how to as a former player. What about on the other side with Steve Kerr and the Warriors? I've seen a lot of, like, mic'd up behind-the-scenes stuff, and it's pretty cool to watch how Kerr, like, empowers his guys. If Steph is on a slump or whatever, like, he pumps him up

and lets him know to keep going and keep shooting, like, whatever. It seems like he kind of breeds confidence in his team. Have you seen that since he's been there? Absolutely. I mean, the tail sign is this. It's kind of like I liken it to when I played for Coach D'Antoni. And he's a similar type of coach who empowers his players and gives them the confidence.

I mean, you just look at the guys that's come through the Warriors system and you look at them at other teams and you look at their averages, you look at their shooting percentages, they all are up up and that's because the coach is giving you confidence and i can speak to that because i experienced that with the sons and watching dantoni everybody that comes there they shoot the ball better because it's it's something about as a player when you have that freedom to go out and explore your game and you can take different shots and try different things and you know not gonna get yanked out of the game or you're not going to have a coach yelling at you, telling you what are you doing and different things like that.

And I think Steve does a fine job of like, you know, he says things when things get, you know, too crazy. You've seen Steve on the sideline get fired up and yell at the guys. But, I mean, to a man, he does that when it's necessary. And those guys understand that if he's doing that, that we're really tripping right now. We need to reel it in. So I think that's what makes Steve Curry really great for them.

Pick and choose your times, I think, is more valuable than if you just run it out all the time. Is that Phil Jackson style? As somebody that's not in the NBA, weeds as much as I probably should be to have this conversation with you because you're incredible. I would like to let you know that. But I watch the games.

I get high. I bet on them when I'm in states that are legal for both of those things. But I don't know enough. Is Steve Kerr's style more similar to what Phil Jackson's style was? Because I heard he was like big hippie, right? Isn't that guy like big hippie type thing? Is that the similar fashion that Steve coaches by? Because he was on those Bulls teams, obviously.

So I haven't – I've never played for Phil and I've never played for Steve. Hey, he's not in Nick anymore, by the way. I don't think, I don't know what Stephen A said. I don't know if that shirt works for him or Charles Oakley. I'm not 100% sure, but you know, you go on, go on. Yeah, but I think, I think, I think definitely just from the outside looking in, what I've seen,

I think, you know, I've even heard Steve's mentioning in some of his interviews and stuff, but yeah, he takes some of his coaching style from Phil Jackson. I mean, why wouldn't he? He won championships under him and he's one of the, you know, probably the greatest winning coach in NBA history as far as that goes. So, I mean, I think he does. I mean, sometimes you'll see, you know, when runs and things are happening,

he'll let his team, he won't call that timeout that some coaches will call. He'll let them play through certain things and then weather a storm. So I think he does draw a little bit from Coach Phil Jackson. Are they running that – what was it, triangle offense? Yep. How much strategy and scheme is their coaching in there? Like every single play, every single quarter, like when is the real – if you were to take somebody inside an NBA huddle there,

how often are coaches like redesigning, re-scheming, redoing everything like that? I think it's really when the playoffs hit. Like when you know when you got these series and you're in the seven-game series, and right now at this point in the season, everybody knows everybody's plays. So this is when you have coaches that, you know, they save plays and they pull gadget plays out at different points

that you might have seen like way back in October or something. What's a gadget play? What's a gadget play that we wouldn't recognize? Like a double screen, a little loop-de-woo that Steph does? What is a gadget play for somebody that doesn't know basketball? What should we look for? So, for instance, yesterday in a game, I want to say it was the start of the third quarter maybe,

Golden State opened up and they ran a post play for Draymond Green. He was on the opposite side of the floor. And as they posted him up, they came on the backside, on the opposite side of the floor from him. And they were setting what we call a hammer screen. And that's where the guy in the corner, he goes and sets a back screen for the guy that's sitting up on the elbow which was andrew wiggins and what happens is wiggins is supposed to come all the way down to the corner he's wide open for the corner three but draymond so draymond turns baseline and he throws like a

hook pass to the baseline to the corner oh yeah andrew wiggins stopped and didn't go all the way through to the corner. And so Draymond threw it out of bounds, and it was a turnover. And he was standing there looking at him like, why you stop? So that's called a hammer play. That's a play right there, though. There was one yesterday. I think somebody drove all the way in and then kicked it. Smart.

Straight pass. Yeah, smart. I think kicked it all the way back, like maybe. Jalen Brown. Yeah, it was a great loop pass he made up top. That was just off of penetration. He made a great drive. I don't even understand how he saw that.

That was just like off just playing basketball. The play that I'm talking about was like straight out of the first quarter. They drew that up coming out of the halftime to play. See, that's so interesting because I've never seen. You'll see some shit happening off the ball, and it's like, well, it feels like there has to be a rhyme or reason to play. See, that's so interesting because I've never said, you'll see some shit happening off the ball and it's like, well, it feels like there has to be a rhyme

or reason to that. And then every once in a while go down and it feels like everybody's just standing there. It's like, okay, there has to be a reason for this as well. It's kind of like

a pick and choose when you're running your set plays or is there times or more? It's kind of like sometimes like, it's like certain,

some teams have plays where it's called like, we had called play the game. It's, it's like a, it's kind of like a structure to the offense, but you just running, you can,

you know, you got different cuts and different things that you do off of, but it's not really, it's a set, but it's not really a certain play. So it's like, like a hammer play is a hammer play. Like a set is kind of like a,

a, a flow of the game type, you know what I'm saying? Deal. And, and you can just, you can flow out of that. But then if they call certain sets, that's when you'll see the guys get

into certain areas and then they move in certain times and they doing things and they all on a string together. Those are the plays that's being drawn up. And that's a separation of coaches there, you think, huh? I think so. I think the really great ones are the ones that are able to, in those clutch moments, come out of the ATOs after timeout plays. Those are huge. I think those are the coaches that, you know, like because like I say, at this point, everybody we've scouted things to the nauseam.

Both teams know everything that the other teams do. So then it comes down to in those big time moments who can come up with a play. And if that team executes it the right way, you know what I'm saying, those are the coaches that, like, ascend and be up there because they've got those plays and they've got the discipline of their team to execute that play, and they've gone over it enough that when they do bring it up, they're not going to blow it. I'd kill you, ATOs. Go ahead, AJ.

What about halftime adjustments? We hear about football coaches making these great halftime adjustments when in reality you have 12 minutes, enough time for guys to take a leak and the coach to yell at you for a little bit and get back out there. Are they able to actually get some stuff done in an NBA locker room for halftime? I think so. But I think more so, you know, in the NBA, more so than like X's and O's. Sometimes there may be something that's standing out that needs to be fixed.

But I think for the most part, those halftime things about coaches getting in there and inspiring the group, however it happens, whether it's yelling, whether it's inspiring them with whatever, or whether it's a player within that locker room getting up and having enough and inspiring. And those are the things that I've mostly experienced. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Those are the things that I've mostly experienced. Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Q. Rich, there was a report from an anonymous NBA executive who basically said that the Nets are kind of done with the Kyrie Irving experience

and the Lakers are basically done with the Russell Westbrook experience and he could see them trying to work out some sort of trade. Do you think that's plausible at all? And would that be the kind of thing that could kind of push the Lakers over? Is it kind of more of the same thing where you're just going to have LeBron and Kyrie Irving potentially and just a bunch of other guys? Do you see that actually potentially happening? Is that going to happen? Maybe.

Let's go. I reported this morning. I don't see that happening. Oh, fuck! Come on. And secondly, I hate anonymous sources. Like, put your name on it or don't talk. Agreed. Hey, by the way, I've said this in the past, and then people from the real world come in and go, Oh, that's not safe.

People lose their lives. Like, I'm talking about sports. All right? We're not talking about in the real world, okay? We understand that there has to be anonymous sources in the real world. But in sports, anonymous sources have changed everything. Changed everything, Quinn. That's just like, I could make something up right now that anonymous sources say

that the Boston Celtics are trading Jason Tatum before game three. Whoa. Are they? What? No. Right. Who do you know? And then it can make no sense that somebody's going to say,

well, anonymous sources, somebody said it. Like, nah, come on. That's not the way it works. We laugh at anonymous sources in the real locker room until our agent or somebody of some type of substantial being or whatever, unless we hear from them, like, that doesn't mean anything. All right. Well, if you break any news, then we know it's real, right? Yep.

Oh, yeah. I put my name on anything, I got to say. Have you ever broke? Are you a newsbreaker? Have you ever dabbled in the insider game in the NBA? If you break any news, then we know it's real, right? Yep. Oh, yeah. I put my name on anything, I got to say. Are you a newsbreaker? Have you ever dabbled in the insider game in the NBA? I tried in the NFL, though, but I don't like the waters. I don't like the waters. Yeah, I've been in position where I've known some pretty good things,

and I just didn't like – I don't like that position. I don't even want to be that guy. I'm not trying to be – you know, no disrespect to anybody who does that, but I don't want to be that guy. They say it takes a special person to be a coach. I think it takes a special person to be an insider know, no disrespect to anybody who does that, but I don't want to be that guy. They say it takes a special person to be a coach. I think it takes a special person to be an insider too. Yeah. You're going to take it on the shins a lot.

And then you've got to be mad if you don't get credit for everything you did, and then you're back on the phones immediately after that tweet is sent out looking for the next one. That's a never-ending thing. Next one. That's my thing. I'm not going to keep chasing it down like that. The times I've gotten my little insiders because

I'm cool with people and we just chopping it up. I'm not going to betray that anyway. That's why that's not the move. Ian Rappaport told AJ Hawk that you're looking at your friends wrong. Your friends are sources. That's what Ian Rappaport said. That's him. He's an insider. He's chasing the ghost

at all times. He's chasing the ghost because somebody else is and we got nothing but respect for it. Just like you. We can't thank you enough for joining us, Q Rich. Yes, sir. Appreciate it, fellas. Anytime. You're the man. Today's show is presented by Cash App. Cash App is the only finance

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Me too, by the way. There's two. But each person was reading it as one person. It's kind of what I say to people whenever they say they're scared to speak in public. It's like every person only has two ears, though. Like, I get that there's more than one person sitting in the area, but everybody's listening to you as just one person. You know what I mean? Just a one-on-one conversation.

That makes a lot of sense. Is that the new version of picture them in their underwear or whatever they used to tell kids? That made no sense to me. Zero. Why do I want to see a bunch of donks? I'll watch Jackass if I want to see that. Exactly. I never really understood why people

got so... Hey, Poopies, hold on. Real quick. I believe Poopies won an MTV Music Award. They did. Poopies was... Congrats to Poopies. Movie Award. Come on.

Poopies was on with Steve Ode. Movie Award. Movie. MTV Movie Awards. What did I call it? Best Kiss. Music Awards. Whatever.

Who cares? Poopies does. Yeah, Jesus. I mean, who does care? Congrats to Poopies. I'm not taking anything away from him. So Poopies, who's 35 years old, was on Steve-O's podcast, I guess. And we had one person listen to it, and that was Bill McComas.

I guess his name was Poopies because he pooped in public and got arrested for it. Pretty good. Pretty good name. Congrats. That's pretty cool. Great story. What do you mean? Huh?

He's 35 years old. Why'd you say that? Catch him just chasing chicks dude poopies bro is he 35 yep yeah that was a big takeaway from the steve-o podcast like how would a steve-o 45 probably i'm 35 years old me and poopy's born the same year and i love fucking love that guy. You're welcome. That's what we brought into the world. Did you see the one with the extra footage that's on Netflix? Four and a half? Yeah. That's the one you saw. Yeah, the obstacle course one with Poopy's.

I've been waiting. Allegedly, he stands on a stepladder. Yes, and beats the shit out of himself. Yeah. I think his actual words are, I'm Poopy's, and I'm going to teach me a lesson or something on the stepladder. And it's two seconds of just pure chaos and violence. And then he gets up and Steve goes, you really taught you, man.

And then it's just the next scene. They just threw it away in there. That four and a half, Jack has four and a half. Good. Very, very good four and a half. Good. Very, very good. A lot of dongs. Yeah, we saw that. A lot of dongs.

While Lordo was pulling up. A lot of dongs, but it's a good show. Michael Pittman says he's going to be the definite receiver number one everybody talks about. All right, let's go, bub. Here you go, Pittman. Love it. I fucking hope so.

Yeah. You need that to happen. I hope so, dude. I mean, he had 1,000 yards with Carl. Gotta be confident. He's very good. He's another one of those guys, like, flashes are just like, oh, shit, this guy's a guy, this guy's a guy.

Now, was it Carson? Was it him? Was it the offense? Was it everybody else? I don't know. We'll find out. But Pittman, it could be a fucking guy. guy's a guy. Now, was it Carson? Was it him? Was it the offense? Was it everybody else? I don't know. We'll find out. But Pittman, it could be a fucking guy. So could Strahan.

Oh, absolutely. There's a bunch of young guys that I think Chris Ballard has a lot of faith in for the Indianapolis Colts, his weapons, even though guys like me get microphones and be like, well, there's like 45 veteran wide receivers that could potentially, you know, add to the offense. I don't think you would have to overpay that much. There might be good pros for the young guys. I think

he remains steadfast on the fact that they have a lot of faith in their young wide receivers being talented. And they have shown that. They definitely are. And with Jonathan Taylor in the backfield, I think you're going to get a lot of good coverages for a lot of the wide receivers because of the way they're going to have to stack the box. And if Pittman becomes a guy,

that's great for everybody. That's great for Indianapolis for sure. Well, it's huge, but I mean, don't you think the Col. And if Pittman becomes a guy, that's great for everybody. That's great for Indianapolis for sure. Well, it's huge. But, I mean, don't you think the Colts, if everyone, if they can stay somewhat healthy, at least like their primetime guys stay healthy, the Colts are going to be a good football team. That's how I feel. Well, can only go up. Didn't make the playoffs last year.

That's right. They got the O-line. And it feels like even Mo Alley-Cox might have his best year because Matt Ryan, I mean, some of the tight ends, Hooper, Hooper's best year. Rob Gronkowski's still a free agent, by the way. Yeah. I would be too. Yep.

Oh, yeah. Oh, two and a half weeks into camp. Yeah, I'm good, guys. Let's do it. I'll sign. Yeah, I'm in shape. I've been running all summer. You guys running the same exact offense you were running last year

or the same one that Tom's been running for 20 years? Yeah. Okay. Okay, I think I got it. Thanks. See you in a couple months. Appreciate it. Oh, is anybody talking about me missing OTAs

or voluntary stuff? No, I'm a free agent, actually. People are talking about me going to their team. They love it. It's much better me being a free agent than not going to OTAs and everybody worrying about where the fuck I am. Gronk's got it all figured out.

But Gronk can only do it because Gronk's on the top 100 team for the first 100 years of the NFL, and he's still playing at a very high level. He is also, though, though big time receivers out there still odell beckham jr still available and julio jones correct so the funny thing about odell beckham jr is the fact that miles garrett said hey uh come back the fellas miss you or something on an instagram post and um yeah he says come home the fellas miss you odell beckham jr goes

who you talking to slime what's this thing with the thing out of the head where's that a lot of people have been using that that's a salute oh it's a salute that's a salute yeah look at this dude's tricep that's an awesome salute yeah look at his tricep remember this guy was dunking basketballs all last offseason oh yeah with his shirt off and shit just fucking showcasing the fact that not all men are created equal. Miles Garrett's a dude. And Miles Garrett goes, phone emoji, it's time. Here we go. He's OBJ coming back to the Browns, and OBS is like, yeah, we'll go back, I guess, since you got rid of that guy that can't play quarterback.

He's still on the roster, not playing quarterback, though. Is that what we're all saying? And Cleveland's like, yeah, we got Jacoby here for that. Perfect. We'll take fucking Jacoby over that other guy. If that's what're all saying? And Cleveland's like, yeah, we got Jacoby here for that. Perfect. We'll take fucking Jacoby over that other guy. If that's what happens, that's what they're saying, right? I guess. I saw Stefanski said he had no comment whether Baker would be there or not

for mandatory minicamp. Feels like no way. I saw it. Read a headline. Jimmy G's excused. Yeah. They might need him over there. Yeah, sounds like it.

That's right. So was he excused as well? Then Baker? Well, I don't know because this Deshaun situation. Just go in. Baker could go in and make it really weird. Or just go play football. Yeah.

That's what I mean. Go in and play football and just keep his head down and see what happens. Just go play football. You got $19 million coming to you or whatever. There's a chance that Deshaun with a 24th allegation on the way and the nfl who knows how long the suspension is going to be and is this anywhere near done off the field i don't think so i don't think so doesn't feel that way does it and it's very very i i feel like in the sports media world is being reported about as like oh this thing's happened super duper serious allegations like very very, very, very, even in the criminal world,

these are very serious allegations. Two grand juries not indicted does not mean that there can't be more of those as well. Right. So it's a wild, that's an interesting situation where Baker could potentially be the starting quarterback. If this was handled differently, this was handled like, yeah, I understand what you guys did or which you don't have to but just at any other position this happens how it would go is like you go in there you work

try to prove yourself keep your head down you got 19 million dollars coming next year fuck everybody i'm gonna get my money i'm gonna keep it moving but both sides peers have said like it's too far gone at this point it's like is it i don't know yeah but like if he gets suspended eight games before the season before the trials are done is it eight games i think know. Yeah, but, like, if he gets suspended eight games before the season, before the trials are done. Is it eight games? I think it's going to be a full season. Yeah, I went from going to think that there would be nothing this year because everything kind of was just wrapped up and they closed the book on it. It'd be maybe, like, hey, down the road, if this stuff keeps popping up,

then next year, like, because they gave him all that money. But now I am starting to think, like, no, he's going to get suspended this entire season, I think. It feels like it's growing and growing and growing. Yeah. But you're right, Ty. We do cover it every single week. Don't you think the Browns expected this to not be happening right now into June?

I don't know. I have no idea what they're expecting. Yeah, I guess what was their – how did they think it would all play out, I guess? Maybe 20 years from now we'll learn about it. We won't. Just like the 2020 and 2021 won't get talked about 20 years from now. I mean, we'll just kind of, oh, yeah, just move along like we always do. Just the fact that new information, it seems like, is coming out every single week

about a potential new person accusing him of something. That just, I don't know. I mean, it seemed like after he signed that massive deal, we were done with this, and it was like, okay, well, justice may not have been served, it may have been served, but this is kind of in the rear view now. And what, three weeks later, it's like, that's not the case anymore. It's all the way back. But allegedly, the NFL is done with their investigation.

They're going to come out with their decision, but how could they if more information is coming? Well, the grand jury, I'm sure they're banking on it. You said two grand juries, right? Not just one? Yeah, two have. If two grand juries came back and didn't file any charges criminally, I guess the NFL is just going off of that, right?

But this is such a weird deal. We've never dealt with anything like this before. Rusty, you've got to remember, Rusty said. He seems like he's struggling a little bit. Yeah, I'll say. Why is Rusty doing interviews right now if he wants the best for Deshaun? By the way, maybe Rusty's like,

after all the years of being a defense attorney and being really good, he's like, I need a clear conscience. How do I do that? Let me go on this thing. Well, it's not really against the law to do what he did, right? And then boom, that's used immediately against him

in the next allegation. That's why lawyers don't want their clients speaking because they can mess things up when they speak and now this is what the lawyer did. It's now being used against him in an actual allegation now. I don't know shit about fucking the law world other than the fact

that I've been in court and in jail. Okay? I defend myself in court and in jail. Okay? Okay. I defend myself in court. Court. This is sport. New song from Lupe Fiasco. Otto Botto. Fucking Still got it. Here we go.

Yeah. Yeah, I just heard it for the first time this weekend. Pretty solid. Yeah, yeah, pretty solid. So I don't know shit about fucking that whole thing. We thought he was going to get indicted because they could indict a ham sandwich. Right, yeah. Then he does get indicted twice.

And then almost, I don't want to say it felt like we were like, oh, well, if he didn't get indicted, it doesn't mean anything. And then now we hear what Rusty was saying in there, basically, on why he didn't get indicted and why this whole thing. It's like, well, I don't know. Now the whole world is like well i don't know if that's now the whole world is like i don't know if that's what are the sports what are the sports like um lawyer people saying about what do they think is going to happen everybody has different responses usa today sports deshaun watson's lead counsel believes there's a good possibility the nfl

will make a decision he won't like but calls it a hell of a detailed investigation by the league says usa today sports hell of a detailed investigation i think you uh deshaun was interviewed four times is that the number i forget i thought i thought i read it i thought he was in in uh i think he was multiple times then do they talk to the accusers uh a few i believe a few of them they reached out to the nfl did i'm not sure the nfl will tell us i assume whenever they make this announcement after bah bah, bah, talking to bah, doing this, looking into this, going to this, that's what the NFL would do so they don't get caught with their pants down like they did with previous where a video came out two months after they made

their decision. It's like, you fucking idiots. What were you guys even doing? Well, and it does feel like the Browns were at least a little bit, maybe not prepared to the point where it's still going on and more allegations are happening but didn't they structure his contract so that this entire year is just one million dollars so even if he is suspended the entire they denied that though what they denied that the million dollars was because he could possibly get suspended and it's a lot easier to lose 450,000

dollars than it is to lose 24 million compared to when you get suspended. Yeah, and you can say that they were trying to do salary cap gymnastics, but we all immediately upon seeing it being a $1 million salary for next year went, oh. Deshaun has an agent, and his agent is smart. Who is he? Hey, we got a plan for the future. Mulegeta. Mulegeta.

Yeah, David Mulegeta. Athletes first, I think. I think he's A1. Is he? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Let's get out of here.

Pretty good day and all I'll talk about. Yeah. Couldn't imagine tomorrow. Oh, well, tomorrow. A couple good guests tomorrow. Oh, yeah. We got Rivas Island coming on tomorrow. Yeah.

Sweet. And June will give us something. How about that? What's he up to? I don't know. We'll find out I know he just got He's going into the NFL

Or the New York Jets' Ring of Honor Or whatever With Mangold too And DeBrickishaw Yep Yes DeBrickishaw's first

I think during the season Then Mangold Then Revis is going last There's three of them Going next year Is that normal? That feels like a lot Yeah, that is a lot

Hopefully the Jets Are winning a bunch of games And it's a fun atmosphere. Well, that won't happen. Yeah, his brother-in-law said their season's going to be over before the bye week. Brady said a lot of good things. Brady had some good analysis.

He did. It's kind of what he does. When you look at that schedule. You're right, what you're about to say. Anytime he talks, though, just like Orlovsky, he just has to see his NFL what you're about to say. Anytime he talks, though, just like Orlovsky, it immediately just, he just has to see his NFL record shoved in his face.

That's what I, we put a tweet out, a couple different tweets out, and then people were tagging me in the tweets that were happening, like some Jets blogs put up some tweets, and all anybody did was just shit on Brady Quinn's NFL record. Oh yeah, this guy knows he's 5-19 as a Fox and quarterback.

It's like, well, does he know more than you do? How many wins do you have in the NFL? None? Oh. Oh. Okay, so maybe we don't. I think he expects that. He understands.

Yeah, just like Orszalowski, I guess. I don't think he worries about it. And he, for seven years, or not all seven, but he knows when teams are maybe structured the way that they should be, or not all seven, but he knows like when teams are, you know, maybe structured the way that they should be like it was in Cleveland when he was there. Or Kansas City when he was there. And that Kansas City fan base was waiting for him to throw a pick,

and he did. That was there. That was tough. They went nuts for it. It was, ah, way to go, another one. He was like the fourth quarterback they had played that year. Was Romeo Cornell the head coach at that time? Congrats on retirement.

Yeah, he's retired. Danny, congrats. Hey, Romeo. Thanks for your contributions to sport. Love you, Romeo. Guys loved him. Guys absolutely loved playing for him. Everybody.

Felt like they didn't win much whenever he was the head guy. No. They did love him, and I think everybody else who's coached alongside of him loved him as well what a dude congrats all right i'm out of here we're out of here see you later good luck with your diet thank you what is that supposed i got some wings coming on the other side i had a little bacon and eggs this morning oh so you're just keto. You're not doing keto and intermittent fasting, are you? No, I'm just ketoing.

Just ketoing. Here we go. Good for you. But I'm also, I got to figure out a cardio thing because these last two weeks not being able to do cardio

is really... What about the bike? You can't do cardio with your knee? It's that bad? Well, I don't know. The knee, when I was on the bike,

the knee... It's supposed to be low impact. Raise the seat up so you don't have to bend as much. Got to get you in the pool. Oh, yeah. True.

Swim. Yep. Do some laps. Have you in the pool. Oh, yeah. True. Swim. Yep. Do some laps. Have Connor hold the cord. I'm just going to do push-ups. Everybody fuck off. There you go. Push-ups stink.

Do push-ups and pull-ups. That's all you need. Can we talk about one of the gutsiest performances I've ever seen? What was this? Exactly. You said no, and then now i've piqued your interest because a man last night went into hell in a cell with a torn tit yeah i saw the picture cody rhodes went in there and i don't know on this tv i mean we can't see when did he do this do you know when

he tore it uh so they're kind of being vague about. They're just saying in a previous brawl or in a workout or something happened. Nobody knows. But a lot of people thought that was makeup. Like that's what your body actually does when you tear your shit. I had that. I tore my right pec just like that. I, I had that very, very similar mind bled down my forearm a little bit more and not as much in my pec like his is. But if he, he wrest wrestled with this it was when i did mine i would put a brace on and i couldn't even do elliptical elliptical because like that little bouncing hurt so bad with your pec yeah he early it looked like he was in a shit ton of pain and then he's a monster yes he could do that he he clicked into some sort of i don't give a fuck i think because

unless they shot that thing up with everything you could possibly shoot up, which would hurt so bad, by the way. Just the shooting up part of it would hurt so bad. Full Hell in a Cell match. Hey, they didn't mail it in either. This shit was like a full, full match. He ended up winning. Congrats. Seth Rollins lost to a guy with one fucking tit.

So is he taking a break now, I hope? I assume he's going to have to get surgery. Yeah, I do not know all the ins and outs. I wish I did. I was not at Hell in a Cell. SmackDown only had one match, and all parties agreed that probably not worth the trip to Chicago and back for that. I think it ended up being like a 13-minute match or something.

Madcap caught a big win. You're going to make Madcap. I made Madcap. But as soon as he took his jacket off, because there was reports hitting the internet about somebody's injured, somebody's injured. Then it was like, oh, Cody Rhodes is injured. Cody Rhodes is injured somebody's injured then it was like oh cody rhodes is injured cody rhodes is injured and i thought it was all work you know i thought it was all work especially going into hell in a cell i thought it

was all something like to set up something and then when he took his jacket off he walked in there without his jacket didn't lift his left arm lifted or right arm he lifted his left arm a couple times and then when he took his jacket off, and it was just like... That has to hurt so bad right there. Did they talk about it? Oh, yeah. Okay, good. Had to. I mean, with that there. Yeah, look at that. Had to. Hey, shout out. Congrats,

Cody. Come on, Cody. Shout out, Cody. That'll be a toughness conversation fodder forever. Yeah. Right there, that evening for him. Good for him. Seth Rollins lost that guy. Gonna be tough to sleep tonight for Seth. Oh, yeah. His wife, Becky, also lost. Yeah. Right there. That evening for him. So, good for him. Seth Rollins lost that guy. Going to be tough to sleep tonight for Seth. Oh, yeah. His wife, Becky, also lost.

Jesus. Oh, no. Tough night. The Rollins. I was in a sham. All right. We're out of here. We'll be back tomorrow, hopefully, with a better show.

We got Albert Breer. Okay. Darrell Rivas. Yeah. And maybe another surprise guest. Ooh. Stay tuned. Tonight, the big game is.

Tom Cruise. The Oilers, or the Avalanche at the Oilers. Oilers trying to avoid the sweep. Is Jack Johnson playing tonight? How's he feeling? How's he skating? I don't know if he is or not. I hope so.

Feeling good, though. I've talked to him. Good. Did you ask him if they win the cup? Maybe we. Oh, you already told him what I'm doing. Yeah. I. I?

I don't know. I did mention to his family members that there may be an extra like 13 to 20 people that come in for a cup celebration if they win. That's awesome. Tell them we'll pay for whatever extra space needs to be added. Yes. Have it at your house at the cult party. It probably will be.

That's where he lives right there too. Yeah. I don't know when his date would be though. He doesn't get to set when he would get it. We're putting the cart in front of the horse, though, aren't we here, fellas? No, it's 3-0 right now. 3-0 right now. If Tampa's coming back, too.

I mean, we're just trying to set ourselves up for best possibility to drink from Lordo. That's right. The Avs versus Tampa. And you're doing a lot of eye talk. Don't need that right now. What do you mean? We is the hockey term. We.

We. We. We. We, we, we, we, we believe. We believe that. We believe that you. What's this from? We believe that you are acting like a selfish prick right now. We believe that you are acting like a selfish prick right now. We believe that you are acting like a selfish prick right now. We believe that you are acting like a selfish prick right now.

I like this one. This show sucks. You said we, like when I was in studio the other day and said, oh, it's like nine on one. I heard Connor or someone said, it's we. We're all together. And then this just happened. Like I said. Well, that's because you said, I know what I am trying to do whenever you're talking about

Lordo and Jack Johnson. We are trying to join you. So why can't you just say, I know what I am trying to do. Whenever you're talking about Lordo and Jack Johnson, we are trying to join you. So why can't you just say, I know what we're trying to do, boys. We're trying to get in this thing. Instead, you said, well, that seems like a you problem. I drink it from Lordo. Okay. Yeah, I think you might be right. We are a big team.

So, yeah, that was my bad. I shouldn't use I anymore. Okay. Especially when we're talking about that. Yeah, thank you. That's right. Let's go, AJ. So, yeah, that was my bad. I shouldn't use I anymore. Okay. Especially when talking about that. Yeah, thank you. That's right. Let's go, AJ. Don't need to be a selfish prick all the time.

Yeah, there we go. We. We believe. We believe. We believe that. We believe that you aren't a selfish prick. We believe that you aren't a selfish prick. Can't come out.

Can't even say it. Can't even say it. It's impossible. That U.S. soccer game even come out. Can't even say it. Can't even say it. It's impossible. That U.S. soccer game. Jesus Christ. Yeah. No. I didn't get to see it.

I'm going to go back and watch it. I DVR'd it. Yeah. Watch it. There's a couple good moments. It's like 17 minutes in. Ah! And I missed the net.

Someone almost had a shot. Almost. There was good ball possession, though. There was a couple good balls. How many goals would have been scored if there was no goalies in either net? So, Uruguay would have had three, I believe. Maybe, because guys can get in there and kick them away, though. Defenders.

True. There's a great save late. Great save late. Let's go. By Sean Johnson. He, like, on the doorstep. Bah. Last second.

Sean Johnson was a gymnast, too, right? Yeah. She made a long snapper. He's not the starter, but he was good yesterday. No, they're talking about him being his time. Making a run. I heard him say it. Because Teppan. Zach Steffen.

Him. Combined them. Yeah. Casey Keller loves both of them. I know that. Well, let's tell him you're all the same. That's what we need to hear him say. Tell him you're all the same. He needs to be the one that makes a decision. I trust all the coaches of the United States team. Burr Holton.

Jurgen Klinsman. That's not. Huh? Burr Holton. That's not Klinsman anymore. What? Terrible. He hated America.

Who is the coach then? That guy was given fake. Twelverman. Taylor Twelverman works for ESPN. No, no. It's Burr Holter. It's Greg Burr Holter. Alexi Lawless. Greg Burrhalter. Greg Berhalter. He's a good coach.

Final answer. Need to get out of that fucking pool. Especially Wales' sorry ass with what they did to Ukraine. Unbelievable. Teach them a lesson. England, fucking see ya. Although we better score

some goals, otherwise I'm not going to watch any of those fucking games. I am officially going on hiatus until the first World Cup game. I'm not going to watch whatever family's next. Can't do it. Can't do it anymore. There's one in Austin, Texas coming up next Friday. Can't do it. You know what?

I hope there's a fucking Bassmasters on that day with Kevin Van Dam. I'd rather watch that than the fucking men's soccer. It's a good show, though. Hell yeah. Once you've seen Kevin Van Damme. I'd rather watch that than the fucking men's soccer. It's a good show, though. Well, hell yeah. You've seen Kevin Van Damme angle. What was the little buddy with the blonde hair that used to have the show? Bill Dance. Bill Dance?

Jimmy Houston Outdoors used to be a fishing show. Yeah, it's probably very similar to Bill Dance if I had to guess. Where's that? These are Midwestern shows? I don't remember any of these fish. Bill Dance was a Tennessee guy who'd go out there and always accidently... He filmed a show and he'd always accidentally back his Dance was a Tennessee guy who'd go out there and always accidently, he filmed a show and he'd always accidentally back his boat into the water and it'd go under.

He'd snap fishing poles all the time and shit like that. Oh, Stooge. Yeah, big time Stooge. Very funny. Saturday, Sunday mornings. I used to watch a noodling convention. You know what I mean? Whenever they would all go noodling lakes and rivers in Oklahoma and stuff.

I enjoyed that fishing show. I don't know enough about fishing sucks. There is people that park outside my house on Morris Lake here. Sure. They park right outside my house. These fuckers don't catch a thing. Hour and a half, two hours I'm watching people just sit there. Maybe when I'm looking away at something and I come back.

But, Jesus, there is not a lot of success on a lot of these boats. Fishing is relaxing, though. It's their golf, right? That's their thing? Yeah, exactly. Catching. Catching is fun. Catching fish is fun.

I even like just throwing out a couple casts. Yeah, people crow-hop into that. You know what I mean? A couple casts and after about three of them with no bites, like, all right. You just shoot the shit, smoke a cigar. I'm surprised you don't like it. This guy's a Big Ten angler right here. That's right.

Which is why anytime fucking Kevin Van Dam's on my screen, I'm watching. All right, we're out of here. See you tomorrow. AJ, great show, pal. All right, boy, AJ. Thank you. Big thanks to Schrags, Sheeran, and Quentin Richardson. Tonight, the Edmonton Oilers try to avoid a sweep.

We'll talk about that. Hammer. Done. Hammer is in five-10 minutes. I think there's a redirect still available if you want to go check it out. Can't wait to watch that. You and the lad in Canada. And obviously, Mitt, you're the best.

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