The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 680 - Billy Horschel, Andrew Brandt, Kenny Beecham, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 8, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about things starting to really heat up with the LIV Golf situation and how more and more notable names are starting to move in that direction, the Deshaun Watson situation and when we'll ultimately get some answers about what happens next, and everything else happening in the NFL, NBA, and NHL, as well as the Same Game Parlay Big Bomb Bonanaza exclusively on FanDuel. Joining the show fresh off winning The Memorial Tournament, is 7x PGA Winner, Billy Horschel. Pat and Billy chat about his career, the conversations around the LIV League in the clubhouses and tournaments and how much guys are talking about it, his mentality going into Sunday, and much more (20:44-45:30). Next, former VP of Finance for the Green Bay Packers, host of the Business of Sports Podcast, friend of the progrum, Andrew Brandt joins the show to break down how the salary cap isn't real, the Deshaun Watson situation, his thoughts on the LIV Golf situation, and his thoughts on Aaron Rodgers' contract moving forward (1:03:46-1:41:19). Later, NBA Youtuber, @KOT4Q on Twitter, Kenny Beecham joins the show to chat about the NBA Playoffs, his new brand "Enjoy basketball," who he likes to win the NBA Finals, how he built his brand, and more (1:41:21-1:58:00). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello beautiful people. It is Wednesday, June 8th, 2022 and this sports show shall begin right now. There's a new owner in the NFL from the Walmart family making two out of the top three wealthiest owners in the NFL being related to the Walton that started the Walmart. Congrats to that family. A lot of money. I guess there's a kid, a daughter, the whole thing. Congrats to that family. Yeah, unbelievable. A lot of money. I guess there's a kid, a daughter, the whole thing. I mean, that money is just going to go. You know, their money don't jingle.

It folds. That's right. Very thick. Those folds are very, very thick. Congrats to them. New ownership in Denver. Should bring a nice spark of freshness to the league. What will the new richest owner in the NFL, Mr. Robson Walton, do with the Denver Broncos and Russell Wilson as his quarterback

out there in the Mile High City with an incredible fan base? Going to want to make a splash, going to want to make investments. I like this for the NFL. Any new money in the NFL is good money in the NFL. Any new minds in positions of power in the NFL, good minds for the position of the NFL. I love what happened here for Denver, and congrats to all parties involved. There's a new report coming out from the New York Times about Deshaun Watson.

This dude's a predator. Holy shit. Not good. I mean, shoot. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. Not good.

The more and more and more and more and more and more and more that continues to come out. And it seems like if there was 66 women, allegedly, via the New York Times reporting and investigation, 66 women massaged Deshaun Watson in 17 months. That's 3.87 massage women a month. There's about four weeks in every single month. That's one per week for 17 straight months. How old is he?

We don't know. How long has it been in the NFL? I guess we can figure that out. That's only a 17-month period. What else is going on? The stories all seem to be pretty similar. So this would be quite a rouge if everybody was lying. The NFL has quite a predicament here on their hands.

A couple of them. Are the Cleveland Browns going to be able to get out of the deal? Are the Cleveland Browns going to be able to avoid any of the guaranteed money that is $230 million? We don't know. We'll talk to Andrew Brandt in the second hour of this show today on Wednesday, June 8th, because he has been there, done that with contract negotiations, knows the ins and outs. He's been an agent, and he's been front office for the Green Bay Packers. I think he'll have a little bit more clarity on that whole situation,

plus the Aaron Donald deal, how the salary cap gets kind of manipulated and worked, plus I believe he has good intel on the Walton family coming into Denver and what that means. Can't wait to chat with friend of the show, Andrew Brandt. We'll have Billy Ho joining us in 15 minutes. The man that blocked Ty Schmidt in 2017. Just won the Memorial

this past weekend for the PGA. We'll chat with him about his golf game, how he's feeling, and the state of golf as a whole. Uh-oh.

A lot of people tweeting their dismay about this live golf thing probably from their iPhones wearing Nike shoes just got done putting gas in their car drinking Starbucks which has you know

the largest shareholder for Twitter is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We found that out when Elon was going to go buy Twitter. And they came out and said, we do not accept the deal. And it was like, wait a minute. Saudi Arabia owns Twitter. Well, they're the longest and the largest shareholder of Twitter. So the people that are tweeting about how bad they hate all the golfers

that are taking the $100 million, the $200 million, the $50 million, $60 million, they're doing it on basically a Saudi platform. But we pick and choose what we're pissed off about, I guess. Yeah, I agree on that lawsuit. We hope everybody does the right thing all the time. We hope everybody lives in a perfect society because that's what we would like to live in. We will continue to push and strive for that.

But I think the reality is the hypocrisy seems to be showing its head everywhere right now in this thing because the players are benefiting from it as opposed to businesses or leagues benefiting from it. And there are some people that maybe are in direct uh relationship with the pga and cbs and everybody there they're coming out super strong against it and literally one of them i saw had a nike cap on who did an entire special about how great it was nike came in the golf with tiger woods but i wear nikes love nikes hey who doesn't love nikes. Hey, listen. Who doesn't?

Love Nikes. Love everything about them. But I believe if you snoop around into that and basically every other conglomerate of a company, you're going to find some money. If we're going to start looking into venture capitalists and where the money's coming from, I think a lot of people are going to start having to cancel

every company that's on earth that has ever taken money from anywhere. Absolutely. It's very fascinating to watch this all happen. And the fact that people are tweeting about it when we just found out that Twitter is the largest shareholder. I mean, that is just. Yeah. Anyways, we'll talk to Billy Ho in about 15 minutes about it all.

I can't wait to chat with his win at the Memorial. This is a pivotal time in the history of golf. How does Billy Ho feel about that in the future? Can't wait to chat with him. Phil Mickelson will be playing in the U.S. Open. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'll be playing in the U.S. Open

and also all these other tournaments as well. Dustin Johnson says, I'll be playing in the U.S. Open as well, but I'm not playing in any of the other tournaments. This is fascinating. I have no idea how the PGA has been able to do this for so long.

It felt like after learning about how the whole operation is run with the PGA, that it was ripe for a picking almost. If you happen to have an endless supply of money, that's only becoming more and more because more countries are having to go to you for the oil. Because in the past, actually, the oil money was going straight to Russia,

but now it's going to... So is that... I mean, how... Where do we start? Are we all walking and riding bikes now? Depends where you draw the line. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

I hate it. I had about 50 drafts of tweets that almost went out this morning, and I did not want to dive into it completely because I understand why people are upset. I completely understand why people are upset because we all have this fantasy that we would like to live in, a world that is just kumbaya and harmonic and everybody's made right decisions through their entire being. I wish for that to happen one day.

I hope if I ever get lucky enough to have kids, they get to grow up in a world where everybody has the best intentions in mind, but that's just not how it is and how it has been for a long time in our world. And if we are just going to start snooping around to the beginnings of everything where money is coming from, I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed in a lot of places. Don't know how to say that any other way, but I think that's a very real thing. This is not me going to bat for Liv Golf and for all these guys. I'm just saying it's interesting how people pick and choose

the hypocrisy of it seems to be running rampant in this thing. The toxic table at Ty Schmidt at Boston. Connor, Ty, you wanted to say something? Yeah, no, I just think if you can play the morality too but like if we'll see where these guys would be at if if that league reached out to them was like hey you know will you come cover our league for two million dollars like if all of a sudden it's just like you know because they're a lot of them were saying it's just a bunch of rich players dealing with rich guys getting more rich like they don't care about anything else it's like but the reason why you're standing on that is because your paycheck's coming from somebody

that has a deal so you are literally doing that on a moral uh compass of well that's where my paycheck is coming from so it's hard for you to grandstand on other people's money when you're only doing that strictly because of your money and you're doing that on a platform by the way that is kind of all in the same pot largely it is insanity it's a crazy time in the sports world at boston connor uh celtics are dead your thoughts pal am i allowed to fall somewhere in the middle where i think this league is gonna stink because they have like five players in the top 100 but i also don't care if anyone goes and plays there did you watch the match yeah i don't think it matters what do you mean. I don't think it matters.

What do you mean? Like, I don't think it matters if you have five good players and then 30 bad players. You still have a potential dark horse that can come through the ranks. You're going to have the big players that are going to carry it.

This is just like stacking a card for a fight night or anything like that. Big names carry the glitz, the glamour, the highlights, the headlines, and everything like that. And then you hope like a middle guy

or a bottom-run guy can go on a run, then the story's good. I think people watch golf just to watch. I watched the match. Was that great golf? Big names? Big names. Big names for sure. Big names.

Much bigger names than they have. Really? Yeah. Phil Mickelson, huge name. Yeah, but he's like 55, 60. Won the PGA championship last year huge name in golf though obviously with what he turned some people off dustin johnson huge name huge wacker guy uh bryson dechambeau huge name right i mean he was the needle mover for the pga for a

long time i don't know if i'm 100 on board with like well because they don't have the good enough names that it's going to work all the way through the entire roster. Because this is just the beginning. Yeah. Once guys go to the open and if guys are playing at the open and I think the morning men, Nick told me this morning, they were chatting about the live guys basically being NWO. Kind of walking into WCW through the crowd wherever they show up at the open. And at the end of the NWO run, I don't know if anybody knows, they had 100 people in it because everybody wanted to join the NWO. The New World Order,

who were founded by the Outsiders, became the Insiders. That's just kind of how counterculture kind of happened at the time. That is only, I feel like, unless the PGA Tour can have an answer, I don't know how money doesn't win in the end for people that are trying

to be professional at something. I agree with that. Sorry, Connor. They need to, because I think to Tone's point, if a bunch of these guys do start going over, then it's a no-brainer. But just having DJs, some of these big names, I don't know if watching golf is fun, but competitive golf, if a lot of these guys are staying on the PGA, those events are still going to be better. And they're already kind of a step ahead because they have CBS and stuff like that. Because I assume you look at this, it's like hopefully it'll be competitive,

but also it's like, oh, DJ could win this by eight shots. Yeah, he could. What if he doesn't? What if DJ doesn't play well because he has $125 million? They said that Phil and Dustin were very relaxed when they were on the range. No shit. Every single swing isn't living and dying upon their family having money and our success this weekend.

Not that Dustin and Phil were ever in need of cash, but it's a lot different game. Well, allegedly. A few bucks. Still going to gamble on a course. What the fuck are we talking about? 1-800-GAMBLER.COM in case you have any gambling problems. That's right.

Thank you, Tom. Or not.com, just the number. I think you can try to put in.com, but it'll already go through. Anyways, this is a fascinating development. It really is. It is a very fascinating development, especially with what you heard Dana say yesterday, where he said everybody's trying to get into sports right now

because sports is like this. We're very lucky to be in sports. There's a tweet that has all the numbers of how much every team has kind of gone for and over the last few years prices have just gone way up spotrack put it out recent u.s sports teams purchases the broncos just sold for 4.65 billion which by the way in this room we thought was low bargain we thought it'd be a lot more and that's because we live in the future that That's right. True. Don't we? We are forward thinking. Future thinking. 2026.

Five, six years from now, that $4.65 billion is going to sound like an absolute dream as Apple gets in. Netflix maybe gets in the live stream. I mean, there is a lot of people that are going to try to get in the NFL. The Panthers, Carolina Panthers, David Tepper just saw four years ago. $2.2 billion. That's in Carolina. They were kind of in an irrelevant time

period at that point. It was after the Cam Newton run. $2.2 billion. That's in Carolina. They were kind of in an irrelevant time period at that point. It was after the Cam Newton run. $2.2 billion to be in Charlotte, North Carolina. The Queen City, great deal, I think, for Tepper. Tepper viewed it that way. He actually filed bankruptcy a couple weeks ago. Which is a billionaire's move

from what we have learned. If you study business throughout the history, the billionaires remain billionaires because they start little side companies or LLCs to handle things. And then if they get fucked over by the city, for instance, oh, well, that has obviously made them money. Bankruptcy, we're not paying anybody. Sorry. Sorry about it. Yeah, we're over here

still. Yeah, I'm still the second wealthiest man in the NFL, yeah. But that particular company has no money. Yeah. Sorry about it. Sorry. You're going to have to ask them. But them is you. No, no, no. That's them. they're out of business now who ran that business well i did but it's there was other people in there too and they're they work here now they don't work there good luck it's fucking crazy that that happens isn't it it's crazy that people don't hold up their end of the bargain when you're working with the guy who's trying to help your city i concur completely

and that would be what he says but let's just take this particular example where the city stopped paying their side of it yeah and they were building a whole new panthers thing and the whole thing was happening and whatever the case is we don't know the ins and outs of that entire agreement but tepper felt like he was kind of jaded and fucked by the town yeah him filing bankruptcy for that and then not having to pay anybody is a wild move for the second wealthiest person in the NFL. I think morally people look at that and go, that's a wild move.

Follow up though, business wise, that has been used since the beginning of time by all the people that are very successful. How do you think you accrued that money? Doing stuff like that. And it's what we're saying, by the way. We don't like that this happens.

No. This shouldn't happen. We hope that there is a time in our existence that it's not happening. Right. But that is happening. And that's the reality of the actual world that we live in. We don't want to have to do that again. We don't want to have to ever do this again.

We don't want to ever talk about this again. And I hate that this is the avenue. And we have to be the people that tell people this. But the thoughts that we have about the world, and maybe on twitter when you get retweeted by people about what the world should be we all agree that it should be but it's just not the case just not in some places that's not the case wish it was that's why i feel like everybody should travel if you get the opportunity not that everybody has the opportunity but if you

get the opportunity to travel to other cultures in other countries and you get a chance to look around and then you you actually get to experience a place that people have told you what it is like. And how like, well, over in blah, blah, blah, they have blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, what about the ripple effects of everything that has happened to where these people are just living in garbage bags for, I don't know, like 30 miles straight. And then you see what you're told. It's like, it's just, I think everybody's visions of what the world is are good and good intentions and has everybody

like feeling like that's what we're trying to get to. But the actuality is that there's bad people who do bad things to people on a regular basis.

People get fucked over. It's not cool. People that don't deserve opportunities get opportunities because of who they know. We hope that that changes in the future.

People that have been very willing and able to do a job have not gotten a job because they've been fucked over before that's still happening that'll continue to happen but we hope to live in a world where none of that happens yeah that'd be great that'd be great but that's reality of the world we live in shit happens yeah let's go back to this though um but the bill is 1.4 billion in 2014 they were trying to sell that for like a couple years remember john bon jovi almost got in there Let's go back to this, though. But the bill is $1.4 billion in 2014. They were trying to sell that for a couple years. Remember, Jon Bon Jovi almost got in there. And then Bill Belichick said, you're going to buy any AFC East.

Get the fuck out of here. Mets, $2.4 billion in 2020. 2019, the Royals went for $1 billion. I think Patrick Mahomes is a part of that purchase. And then the Marlins, $1.2 billion. Jazz, $1.6. Nets, $2.3. Rockets, $2.2. And then hockey's just, $1.2 billion. Jazz, $1.6. Nets, $2.3. Rockets, $2.2.

And then hockey's just dead in the water. Well, Spotrack conveniently left the Penguins off this list, which is sold for $900 million. So, I mean, it's not on that level, but it's close. I mean, it's a league that has a bunch of players in it, have a deal with both ESPN and Turner, and a team sold for less than a billion dollars. But that's part of NHL's problem is they don't market it big enough to get

those bigger, but all these numbers are going to go up and up. So even though Walton, uh, spent the most amount of money for any franchise in the history, he's not the last one. If the commanders go up for sale, that's going to be fucking gigantic.

All these numbers are just going to continue to go up. And this becomes in sports, owning a sports franchise or a sports league has become the like mega rich dude thing. Yeah. Like, yeah, I want a team. I want a team. His Excellency, I think is how he goes. The Saudi Arabian Prince.

Sure. Makes sense. That's amazing, by the way. What do you want to be called? Your Highness? No. Excellency. Excellency. I think. What do I ex to be called? Your Highness? No. Excellency. Excellency.

What do I exude? What do I exude? Your greatness? I am great. Hold on. Your goodness? That's like a baker or something. Excellent.

I'm excellent, Anna. We're excellent. We're all excellent. Excellent. I'm excellent, ain't I? We're excellent? We're all excellent? Yeah. I would like to be called your excellency. Okay. That's how they actually title. His actual title is like his excellency, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He's like, I want a fucking sports league. Which one? Well, it looks like the PGA doesn't pay anybody. Give me the fucking golf. I'll do the golf. It's wild the time that we're in, but money is dumping into sports at a different level than it ever has in the past. Tony Diggs, go ahead. You me the fucking golf. It's wild the time that we're in, but money is dumping into sports at a different level than it ever has

in the past. Tony Diggs, go ahead. You'll never guess who I think came up with excellency. The definition is a title given to certain high officials of state, especially ambassadors, or of the Roman Catholic Church. I love that. Who in the Roman Catholic was called that? Just

some priest who was better than everybody else call me the excellency that's a fucking good C I'm the excellency hey welcome to my service this is the excellency last week was the good C two weeks ago was the below average C

now you got the excellencies wait till you hear how I dissect this book that's been around for a long time and the FIFA president is also called his excellency of course that makes sense so I've been having with the Thunderdome that's been around for a long time. And the FIFA president is also called his excellence. Of course. Of course. That makes sense. Interesting.

So I've been having, with the Thunderdome coming to be and contracts and agreements, I've forgot my name and then title. And I just put founder, chief, boss. I just change it every single time. You're excellent. You're welcome. Tone D digs before we dive into our guest here i'm super excited to chat about an absolute champion on the golf course especially

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10 i think we're in let's go enjoy it Good for baseball. Now, speaking of winning, a man just got done winning the Memorial Golf Tournament in Dublin, Ohio. We had just chatted with him for about 10 seconds. It appears as if he is doing something much more awesome than all of us today. The guy is absolutely yoked on the course. Had an eagle on 15 to tell everybody to go to hell ladies and gentlemen Billy Horschel thank you guys hey you look amazing oh is that a family right there yeah I got my guy fishing hey what's up good luck out there! That kid is awesome.

What are you guys fishing for out there? Anything and everything. We've been out here for about three hours, and we've caught nothing. No. So this is fascinating. Fish at zero. This is fascinating because I believe fishing is like some people's golf, right? It's like a hobby. Like people go golf, and it's just like time, you're kind of mindless,

you're just doing your thing. And then the people that don't like golf normally get into like fishing. They'll just go out there and kind of sit. Is this always been the thing that you do? I did a little bit when I was younger, but got into it in the last two years. Some of the other hobbies I like to do are probably a little too uh I mean I wouldn't say dangerous but they bring a little more risk involved and so uh being on the boat on the water with the kids and then um just trying to fish a little bit uh it's a little bit more relaxing it's a little bit more safer. Billy what are some of your other hobbies are you like uh you out there with pastrana you jump in dirt dirt bikes? What are you, skydiving?

No, I've never ridden a dirt bike, but I like to snowboard a little bit. I've thought about getting into mountain bike riding. We spend our summers in Colorado, and so a couple of those things are a little bit more risk-prone than being on a boat. I'd say. And by the way, shout out to you for taking care of your body.

Your body is your temple. Your body is the thing that won you your seventh PGA Tour event there at the Memorial Golf Tournament in Dublin, Ohio. It had been a little bit since your last win. Was the course, was it you? What was it you think that made it for such a special weekend? Because it has to be incredibly difficult to have the lead and then just maintain it when people are hunting after you. What was it about the Memorial you think that made you win that thing? Yeah, I think it was just the combination. The course was in great shape.

It required really a lot of precision. You got to be accurate with shots into the greens and put it in the right spot. It was just that one week that we all look for, we all hope for sometime in our career that we are pretty much every aspect of our game is on and it was on for me i played so beautifully this saturday that third round um to shoot seven under and take a five shot lead into the final round that uh you know it was pretty much it was pretty much uh in my mind over at that point but um you know I had to go out Sunday and just play halfway decent

not really not mess up or choke it away is that what you think about Sunday morning when you're waking up or Saturday night when you're sleeping it's like how do you even fall asleep the night before a Sunday in which you have the lead of a big tournament yeah that's a great question it was easy to fall asleep and then I woke up about three o'clock in the morning and then my mind started you know racing thinking about every scenario possible under the sun and next thing you know took me about two more hours get back to sleep and then you know you wake up and for me I just whenever until I get to the golf course I'm always thinking you know my mind just can't shut off and then once I finally get to the golf course I'm into into my getting warmed up, getting ready to play. And then, you know, everything sort of just

sort of falls to the wayside and I forget about all the thoughts that I've had. So it's like your sanctuary. It's your getaway. It's it always has been. Have you played your entire life? I assume did you grow up in the game and how did how did you start? Yeah, so I grew up on about two and a half acres. My dad went out in the backyard and hit balls late in the day. And so around the age of three, I picked up a club and followed him out there. And then, you know, we come from a very athletic family. My dad and his brothers played Division I college football. You know, one of them played at the University of Miami, one played at the University of Cincinnati.

So very athletic family, grew up playing baseball, playing baseball, tennis, played a little football. My younger brother played more football than I did, but golf and baseball were my two sports, and golf was the one that finally won out when I was in high school. I think the reason why a lot of us have enjoyed watching you play, especially over the last couple weeks, is because you're like one of us out there. You get pissed.

You actually get it. Is that because you think you come from an uber competitive family and that's how other sports do it? Because normally the golfers always have to like compress the anger and just be like, well, it wasn't our day today. Good luck out there. Or like, oh, that wasn't my best shot. I'll get the next one.

I think you look like a human when you're like, mother! Not in front of your kid. And then like potentially break a club. Like, I enjoy that. I think that makes you much more relatable. Is that just how you are in everything? That's how I've always been. I've always been an emotional, fiery kind of competitor.

I remember, I think at 13 years old, yelling at my – I was pitching a great game, and my left fielder dropped the ball. I think in, like, one of the last last innings and I had no hitter and I was pissed and I sort of reamed him a new one and he started crying. I felt bad. I've always been that way. You know, and I think golf, I think, yes, what they've seen on TV for so many years and the way people act and it's, you know, control emotions. But I mean, I grew up around my dad's buddies and, you know, that's the way it was. You know, you had a good time. You had a few drinks out on the golf course when they were playing.

And, you know, you got upset when you hit a bad shot and you got super excited when you hit a great shot. You hit a lot of great shots this past weekend. Anything that steps out or sticks out in your mind that was when you knew that the game was all in touch and this was going to be a special weekend? I think I made a putt at number 13 on Saturday to go to six on the par from about 12, 15 feet. And as I'm walking up to the hole, I get this big old smile on my face. I reach out and I sort of take an extra second to try and get the smile off my face,

but I just couldn't because I was playing so well and so great. I sort of stood up and the camera catched me with a big old smile. At that point, I'm like, this is going to be a pretty special week. Yeah, everything seems to be falling here. This is great because I'll have like a good two to three hole run where like a putt falls. And I'm like, OK, here we go. And I've heard the Miz say, don't look like a light switch. Don't turn me on.

Don't let me get in a groove. You guys are like that and have to be like that every single weekend. The sport that we know that we suck at, you guys are supposed to be experts at. Is there ever a time where you think, like, today's going to be a terrible day? Or is the swing thought and the mental coaching basically the biggest part of the whole thing? Because failure's going to come, right? I mean, that's just expected that failure is going to come. It's almost like baseball.

Like, hey, failure is going to come, and if it does, it can't rattle you. How do you continue on whenever that happens? Yeah, I mean, there are days when we know it's not going to be a good day. We know it's going to be a grind, and somehow we're going to have to figure out a way to play well. But, I mean, there's just days, there's weeks where it's like, man, nothing's going well. You know, you didn't practice well leading up to it.

You don't feel great about your game. You're tired. Your body hurts, whatever it may be. But, you know, I think the great thing about us is that, you know, three days later we're back into another new tournament trying to figure out a way to win that one. So it's one of those things where we got to have a short-term memory you can't really um dwell too much on on the bad and on the good you

try to um take it all in and and soak in that moment when you are playing well and when you get a victory and um yeah so i mean it's a mental mental grind i mean i've been doing this for professionally now for 13 years, 35 years old, been playing for my entire life. This game beats the crap out of you. It really does. And, I mean, that's why you see some guys just, you know, after a few years of playing so great and their game goes downhill,

they just say, hey, you know what, I'm going to retire. It's exhausting, right? It has to be exhausting. And I think one of the best lines I've ever heard, it was from a neighbor of mine. I assume he didn't make it up, but he told me with a very straight face as we were hitting balls in his backyard or whatever,

and he's an older man. And he goes, you know why they call it golf? And I said, what did he say? Because fuck was taken. And it's like, that is such a real, that is such a real thing for all of us. I couldn't even imagine it being our life and what puts the roof over our head. Congrats on the win. We hope

you continue to get more of those. Can't help but talk about the elephant in the room here in golf though, because of what you just chatted about there with like, Hey, I've been in this for 13 years. It's a grind. It beats the hell out of you. There is now what appears to be maybe the most pivotal time in the history of golf how do you block out all the outside noise for what's going on with live in the pga tour and what the reaction is going to be and all this and how do you continue to go on be the best golfer you could possibly be without getting distracted by everything and uh i'm sure the pga tour is not gonna be happy i'm asking this and they're the ones who set this up but there has to be regular

dialogue amongst all you on the pga tour about what's going on right now right that going to be happy I'm asking this, and they're the ones who set this up, but there has to be regular dialogue amongst all of you on the PGA Tour about what's going on right now, right? That has to be – you don't have to tell us what's being said, but that is certainly something that's maybe – has that brought you guys together, and is that something you're chatting about on a regular basis here? Yeah, I mean, you know, the tour is very aware of what the – everyone's talking about on tour. I mean, you know, we're're all aware what's happening with live

um you know i'd be lying to say it's not exciting i think the thing that's exciting about it is the money that they get the you know they're offering up to play for on a weekly basis um you know hey i played great last week i won 2.1 million dollars and that's a lot of effort out there fishing with the kids exactly but you know they're offering you win one of their events it's like four million dollars and you know listen we are professional golfers we make a lot of money um in this world compared to what a regular worker is and i know what a regular worker is i grew up in a blue collar house household lower middle class neither my parents had a degree there was times that only one of my parents had a job. So I understand the value of money very, very well. But when you look

at it compared to the other sports in the United States, baseball, football, basketball, these guys make a ton of money. And so someone's coming along now throwing more money out there, you know, that's going to get guys talking. And, you know, it should get guys talking. But, you know, that's going to get guys talking and, you know, it should get guys talking, but, you know, every, everybody's, uh, what they play for everybody's perspective, you know, what means, you know, the most of some people is different. Um, for me, the PJ tour has been very great to me and I'm very happy to be with them. I have some unbelievable sponsors that I get taken care of very well financially on, on, you know, off the golf course. So when I look at the live, yes, it's an opportunity, but there's some things that on the other end that if I went to go play live

that may ruin some relationships I have and some sponsorships I have. And so for me, I've been very, very blessed that I've done well on and off the golf course. But as I've told all the guys that go play live, I don't fault them for making that decision. They're making a decision, whether it be in financial, whether it be the opportunity to play less in a year. You know, they're only offering right now eight events, and at the most we're going to have 15 events in a season.

But, yeah, you know, we're all independent contractors. We all get the ability to make our own decisions and make our own schedule. And so if they feel this is the best opportunity for them in the future to go play live, then that's happy for them. But for me, I'm happy on the PGA Tour and trying to make it better and make as much money as I can out there. Hey, thank you for that answer. Hey, honestly, thank you for that answer. You could have very easily just, you know, shied away for that answer. Hey, honestly, thank you for that answer. You could have very easily just shied away from that conversation,

and we all would have been very understanding of it. I think even the people would. That was a very real answer, which I think I appreciate so much, especially you saying you come from a blue-collar family because I just assumed all golfers come from, you know. Silver spoon. Yeah, I mean, no mean no yeah not at all not you know there's yes there's obviously that's always probably been the stigma and i would say there's still probably a

lot of golfers that come from that but not not me man my dad worked construction i mean i worked on i worked on his team going to job sites being there at 6 a.m in the morning before his son come up you work till sun come down doing the labor labor, doing the grunt work. I mean, I'm very aware of what, you know, the average American does for their job to try and just take care of their family. That's what it comes down to. Even at my level now, I still, I play golf, but everything I do is for my kids and for my family and hopefully give them a better life in the future. Everything I do is for my kids and for my family and hopefully give them a better life in the future. Hey, you're awesome, huh?

Hey, you're awesome. And listen, the fact that I just learned all this about you and you answered that question, I think you have become, you know, my favorite golfer. And with that being said, this fucking asshole right here, you blocked him in 2017. He said something terrible about you on Twitter. blocked him in 2017 he said something terrible about you on twitter i would like him to either explain himself or apologize to you after learning about what you just learned about billy fucking horschel ty schmidt well i think it just goes to everyone out there you really shouldn't ever judge a book by its cover you really should because like you said i i fucking love this guy now and i just feel like an asshole but my question would be well well let's you have him blocked right now

okay Billy on Twitter he's not the first one that I've blocked me neither I actually stopped running my Twitter account my team runs my Twitter I run my Instagram just because I got sick and tired of hearing reading dumb crap whether it be

about me or stuff in the world but you know it's one of those things that what people see on the outside is not really what, you know, who someone really is. And as I've always said, I said, you know, you're seeing us in our competitive environment, on the field, on the golf course, playing our hearts out at a vulnerable stage. And so I'm trying to play the best i can and if i act like an idiot on the golf course you know that's just that doesn't mean i'm an idiot off the golf course that just means i want something so bad that you know my emotion comes out so i i that's why i say you know i i look at myself more as an athlete than a golfer you know i think i would have been

great in football or baseball yeah and the way you, they are so, they're allowed to be fiery. It's expected. It's normal. Yeah. Yeah, there's precedent on, you know, baseball players, football guys, even I guess tennis too, you said you played. There has been outbursts in those sports a lot, you know, in emotion and firedness and, you know, blue-collar guys.

Hell yeah. Changing the trajectory of their entire family forever with a couple irons and some golf balls and nothing but space and opportunity. And then here comes some asshole from Iowa sending tweets trying to bury you. And by the way, I block people too. I absolutely love the move.

But Ty's a really good guy. I do believe he would not say anything of the similar now Trying to bury you. And by the way, I block people too. I absolutely love the move. But Ty's a really good guy. I do believe he would not say anything of the similar now after watching you do what you did on Sunday. And Ty, your question for Mr. Billy, because I know you've sent these tweets to him a lot. And he has never seen them. He has never seen them because he's blocked. Yeah, no. I mean, hey, you know, like I said, at the time, I think, and afterwards especially, way more pissed that you blocked me and that, you know, that that was kind of just hanging in front of me.

But I am curious because you are so fiery and you wear your emotions on the sleeve, like in between the ropes and stuff like that, do you have fans that are like kind of ever trying to get in your head or talk shit to you too? Because I assume, you know, guys like me, if I'm doing it, you going into sunday that like while you're at these events and you're kind of getting fired up and maybe giving these fans what they want like do you ever have any of those kind of interactions yeah i think um you know i'm

a rarity out there as as well in those situations uh i'm not afraid in certain situations to chime back um depending on what people say um i like to have a good time. You know, obviously, if it's something real stupid, I may not say much. But, you know, obviously, I'm a Florida Gator. You play a lot around the southeast. And so there's times people may say, you know, like, go Dawgs or something. But, you know, sometimes I say, like, go Vols, like the volunteers. I'm like, you guys haven't beaten us, like, maybe once in the last 15 years. I mean, that's what you're going to come at me with. then you know they're like I said I mean I have no problem you know

saying things to certain people on the course if they're just acting like an idiot I had a funny situation out in the waste management Phoenix a couple years ago I'm walking off a tee and there's a guy yelling my name and after like the third time I finally look over and he's with his buddies and he's like, Billy, hey, unblock me on Twitter. And I'm like, I'm like, no, you were a dumbass. That's why you got blocked. Yes, exactly.

All his buddies, all his buddies like are, you know, you know, giving a heart, you know, busting his chops now because a lot of time they don't, fans don't expect us to say anything back. And when they do do and if you got a really good comeback or good uh little back and forth with them they're absolutely love it and you're changed like i've changed people's opinion about me because of that not that i was trying just because oh my god i love you you're so awesome now i'm like thanks okay that's that's great yeah you seem to be an actual human i think that is you pretend. Because hearing people and then not responding is very robotic

because everybody knows you're standing six feet away from them. You can definitely hear that person. And the fact, hey, I think, did somebody, is there a fish being pulled out of the water right there? No, we're just, I don't know. We're not catching anything. Oh, look at that beard. Wow.

Oh, yeah. Dad, show him the beard oh hell yeah all right that's beautiful let's pull some fish out here i'll start hooking some shit we're trying we're trying all right uh go ahead connor yeah billy uh pat's got a pretty big uh golf tournament coming up out in tahoe how do you study a course going into it? Do you just play one round, or do you actually go online and kind of see what the lay of the land is like? Yeah, so I mean, fortunately enough, on the PGA Tour, we play a lot of the same courses.

But a perfect example is next week we're going to Boston for the U.S. Open at Brookline. I've never been there. So my usual practice routine for courses I haven't seen is I'll usually get there maybe like – especially a major, I'll get there Sunday, play nine holes Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I don't have that time. By then I should have a good understanding. I don't have that time.

Bill, I can't do that, Bill. I don't have that time. I know. I know you guys have time. So yeah, my best recommendation is play 18 holes and then just pray that you play well in the tournament all right i can't do that i will lock that one down the we play by like your guys's rules do you ever play with your friends that aren't pga golfers and they all shoot in the hundreds playing by your rules because that's what everybody's basically

telling me like there's no rolling there's no everybody's basically telling me. Like, there's no rolling. There's no fluffing. There's no, oh, breakfast ball. There's no – everything is – do you play with any, like, regular golfers? And does it just absolutely kill them like it's probably going to do to me? Yeah, so I have a lot of buddies I play with at home that are just regular guys that love the game of golf. And, you know, it's funny because they may say their handicap is this.

And if they would actually play a tournament, they would shoot a lot higher because they don't they can't roll the ball. You know, they can't take the drop, you know, closer to green when they hit in the water 30 yards short of the green. So. So, yeah. Yeah, they would they would be a nervous wreck, just like you would be going into this tournament. Like you tell me I can't roll the ball. Yeah. I've be a nervous wreck just like you would be going into this tournament. Like, you tell me I can't roll the ball. Yeah. I've got a bad lie and, like, a two-footer is not good. I've got to tap out a two-footer, really?

Yes. That's going to be a – I think just – what? I've just got to get on the fairway. Yeah. Every time. Hit it straight. Exactly. Fairways and greens.

Then just put it on the green. Yep. And then two-foot. I'm out of there. Boom. Game's easy. The thing about Tahoe is the ball goes so far, so you're going to be hitting a mile. Okay, so a club down.

Club down one. Put it in the middle of the green. Yes. Just putt it in the hole. Birdie every time. Easy. It's that simple. Right?

Let's go. Did we just figure it out? Yeah, we got it. Great news. How come you don't do that? I'm just not smart enough, I guess. Billy is name Billy. We have a Billy in our friend group,

but I do see on the internet that Billy is not a normal adult name. We've had one in our group, so it doesn't make any sense, but I see the internet have that reaction. Birth name Billy, nickname Billy, always been called billy uh birth name is william my dad is william so everyone called him billy and then um i'm not a junior we have different middle names but they just called me billy like uh but all his buddies used to call him billy and they still call him billy and then i was considered little billy because they're not going to call him Billy and they still call him Billy. And then I was considered little Billy because they're not going to call my dad Bill. Some people call him Bill, but a lot of my, a lot of my dad's buddies still call me, you know, little Billy or whatever, which is cool with me.

And, um, but, uh, yeah. And then I have friends, like a couple of buddies over in London that play for some premier league teams. You know, they call me Bill. Um, you know, Bill, Billy Bill, Billy, I'll pretty much answer anything. Who's your friends in the Premier League? Mark Noble, who just retired from West Ham. Good career. And then Declan Rice, who is a stud at 23 years old, plays for West Ham. Unbelievable on the England national team.

And so those are two really good buddies of mine. You like soccer? I love it. Hey, how about we're about to win the fucking soccer Lombardi in Qatar, pal. We got a team this year. I know we do. We got a tough group, though. We've got England.

They suck. Done. And, well, I think it's Israel. No, Iran, Wales, and England. It's a group of death because we're in it. Hell, yeah. That's it. We got a team.

Last question for you here, Billy. We can't thank you enough for your time. Billy, one of my favorite looks of all time was your octopus pants back at the U.S. Open. It's coming up here. Do you have any good looks coming up? And how long in advance do you plan your looks and your pants for the majors? So that's Ralph Lauren my my clothing sponsor they they put all the looks together and and the look for the U.S. Open's probably been already decided on you know like eight months ago probably last fall

maybe even last summer of what I was going to wear um I don't wear I'm not I don't think it was anything special those style pants are wearing like animal prints and and a lot of the crazy pants i've worn are are are gone now um i haven't played well in them um that u.s open and so i am superstitious and then my my teacher todd anderson just said hey we need to um sorry someone called me no we need to uh we need to back off these pants these pants aren't doing us any favor anymore. So I wear like funny shorts in practice rounds now is the gist. So you're a Ralph Lauren guy? What was this?

What was on your arm there? Is that a whoop? Yeah, that's a whoop. So I've wore that for a couple years. I just don't like anything on my wrist. You know, it gives a bad tan line. So it's up on the arm. And usually a sleeve covers it.

But the sleeves on Sunday, they were a little short. They showed a little bit more of the arm than I was expecting. Yeah, but you look sweet. What was the high heart rate on Sunday? You know, I actually looked at it. It was shockingly, I mean, it was in my normal range. I think it was probably like 130, which is probably the highest. Are you above 120 for the entirety

of the round? Yeah, I live in the 115 to 125 range pretty much for the entire round. That's pretty good. That's why you're... I guess so. Like I said, I'm blessed with good genes. Like I said, all my dad's side of the family, his brothers and

him, we're all like 6'2", 6'3". That a baby Willie! We can't thank you enough for joining us, Billy. Good luck with everything. Good luck on the major first win that comes, and thank you for your time, man. Thanks, guys. Love it. I'll come back anytime you want. Hey, ask your team.

Please unblock me, Billy. Please unblock me. I'll tell your team. You're the man. Send the Twitter handle to my team, and I'll tell them I'm blocking. Yes. Tell them to bury him, too. Ladies and gentlemen, Billy Horschel. Thank you.

Go, Billy. Ladies and gentlemen, A.J. Hawk. Hey, A.J. What's up, A.J.? Hey, so I caught the tail end. What countries are we not allowed to be involved with? Well, it's not just countries. It's also people.

People in those countries. Depending upon who has the cash. So you're telling me all these big-time companies have all this money that backs them that may not be on the up and up? Well, these companies are not getting attacked for the money they're taking from these VCs and stuff like that. Actually, it's celebrated. Another round of funding. It's celebrated. Another round of funding has happened.

Another round of funding is happening. Congrats. The valuation is this. There's never a follow-up. Maybe we should start doing this a little bit more. There's never a follow-up of like, where did every dollar come from there? Where did those dollars come from in that investment?

Did those come from? Oh, don't tell me. Oh, no. Don't say it. Like, is that going to start happening? Because I feel like, and I think the reason why I'm doing this and saying this, it's not because I support the money and all this stuff. It's because I don't like the fact that these players,

the athletes are the ones that are being attacked by this when money from undesirable places has been happening in the world since forever. I think that is my biggest thing. We're attacking Dustin Johnson, who's an athlete who's worked his ass off and getting paid, but we're not attacking Uber

who was literally saved by or Live Nation. You know what I mean? I think that is that's just fascinating to me, I guess. But now is a good time for us to take a stand on everything. Now is a good time for us as a society to start asking where every single dollar has come from. And we accept a dollar from Google here. Yeah.

Uh-oh. I mean, we got to look into that. Yeah. Where, you know what I mean? Like, that is... You got to stop using your iPhone too. Well, that's going to be tough. But is that what we're doing?

Is that what we are? I don't think a whole lot of stuff will get done or will get made if that kind of happens. Startups might struggle a little bit. What are you saying? Where do you draw the line though? Okay. This is an interesting conversation. What is acceptable and what is not when accepting money from somebody?

Well, that's kind of the entire conversation. Like stuff that they have done in the past. Yeah, I don't know. That's what I'm wondering. And where is their money from? Like what is considered good money? Yeah. Is there good money out there?

No. Doubt it. Dogecoin. It all started with gold. It all started with gold and a lot of money, a lot of blood's been spilled over gold. Well, not just gold. I mean, there's drug money out there that's killing my friends that have died from that type of stuff is out there. I mean, there is just, there's a never-ending question about where money is from.

Now, I'm not saying what any of these people have done who had this money is right. We're not saying that. We're saying the complete opposite, actually. We're just like, how come athletes are the ones being attacked by this when everybody else has been a part of this for a long long time for their businesses that's all i want to know yeah i think de chambeau going over is another big name like what how many guys are they gonna get because i there's i know you had billy horschel and i saw some that billy was great ty good luck that was awesome i don't know if you'll be unblocked by the squad but uh also ty might be a bit gun shy to go after anybody after anybody on Twitter, I feel like, moving forward.

No, no, no. Ty will still let it be. He rarely – Ty works for a social media company, rarely uses it. I mean, he'll creep and tweak and stuff like that. But he's not that active anymore. He saves it all for that microphone and the pods microphone and the office, which we do appreciate on the day-to-day. But him coming from a construction family like i was i love he sounds like a a prime candidate to go over to live and get a big chunk

of money to actually go play and then go compete in these 48 player fields and get some huge perks purses okay he he cut quite a promo thanking the pga tour for what the pga tour has done for him and making the pga tour as good as it possibly can be. It seems like there is now becoming two different teams, though, right? There's the live team, and then there's the PGA team. The Morning Men, I believe, Nick told me this, they talked about the live guys who are going into majors being like the NWO, showing up and like, hey, we're from the live league.

We're coming in to win your majors. How you doing? Keep it moving. I don't know if that's how the atmosphere will be, but I do know if Bryson's on the card, who hits the ball further than anybody, Dustin Johnson is what, top five in the ball far, right? Explosive and exciting. Phil Mickelson's there.

Kevin Na's there. Sergio Garcia's there. I think there's enough names to build that will captivate people's attention. Now they have teams and rules and they're doing this entire thing, so I don't necessarily understand how that whole thing will go. But I believe they have enough to generate some moves. Tone Diggs, one half of the hammer. Done.

Cowboys said, nah, not enough good names for me. Which, by the way, you're not the only person saying that. There's a lot of people saying that. They've already gotten more big names than I thought they would get. I'm not saying that they won't. I'm saying right now they're getting guys, and maybe this is the right first move, they're getting guys who are on their back nine of their career,

like DJ, Phil. So it's like the MLS. Bryson's like 27. Is he? Yes, Bryson is young. He's been banged up this last year, I think. I would have said him, Scotty Scheffler, combined age, 89. Just about.

That's what I would have said. Yeah, but nobody likes Bryson. What? But people feel one way or the other about Bryson. He's a polarizing figure. I love watching him. I like him. He plays golf.

He's awesome. To me, I think you just need one of these names to be in contention on Sunday in the live, and we'll all be watching. It doesn't matter who they're playing against. You need one guy that we know of, and we will watch to see if they'll win the tournament. How do we watch? YouTube. It's on YouTube.

That's why it's like, how long is it going to be until Fox is like, all right, fuck it. Let's put Live League on our channel right now. Who is it? It's NBC and CBS now have deals with PGA. Yeah. And ESPN. Yep. And ESPN.

Big ones. So Fox is the only one PGA. Yeah. And ESPN. Yep. And ESPN. Big ones. So Fox is the only one that's not in. Just fuck it. Fox had the US Open, and then they lost it, I believe. You think the PGA is talking to Fox? Like, don't even think about it. There is. This is another fun game to play.

Ten months from now, maybe a year from now, how many companies are sponsoring those events? And who will be the first company that'll do it that'll basically say, all right, we'll do it. You guys can too. We'll do this. I'm sure they have sponsors, don't they already?

Are they even looking for sponsors? Do they need the sponsorship money? Well, in all the companies you have been listing, I assume those are the ones that are just going to be like, okay, yeah, we'll jump in. Who cares? Who cares? Yeah.

We don't. We're trying to do some research on where it all goes because I do not love the thought that the athletes are the only people getting buried, AJ. I don't like that. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's because we're athletes. Obviously, we're an athlete-friendly show. I think everybody knows that.

But I don't enjoy everybody all of a sudden cares so heavily, which I respect and appreciate the fact and why you care and everything like that. But how come everything is turned towards just the athletes are doing this and not zooming out a little bit and being like, oh my God, every company I use is, I'm a terrible person.

Yeah, nobody's hands are clean in any of it, I feel like. So if you sit here and try to grandstand and virtue signal all over and tell people what they should do, I understand there's some terrible things that happen all over the world. And we respect it, by the way. We respect the, like, yes. Oh, yeah. I think you should.

I like when people take a stand on something. I just feel like this one might be a losing battle because what Liv is doing and building up all this, they already got more names than I thought they would this year, and they haven't even had one event yet. So I think a lot of the crew is hanging back. Hey, how's the first event go? What's the second event look like? Oh, maybe I'll slide in there. So they're $400 million

in, I think, with Phil and Dustin Johnson and DeChambeau. A billion dollar investment is nothing to a lot of these venture capitalists, let alone an entire kingdom that is now selling oil to the entire world. By the way, the entire world is now, so that's only going to continue.

You know, it's only going to continue to go up. And from, I've never been there, but their perspective, what they're saying is we are trying to change how people think about our country and the way we go about doing things. Now, in a very recent history, something had happened over there where everybody's like, same old Saudi Arabia.

But Saudi's like, no, we're trying to become a more... A billion dollar investment's nothing. They're only 400 million into this thing. Another $600 million in bonuses and guaranteed money to people is nothing whenever you're talking about how much money these motherfuckers invest in the companies. Not just them, by the way. Other people have a shit ton of very good money obviously they invest in

all this stuff so i mean there is no and they're what dan rappaport said it is a bottomless yeah bottomless pit of money that they can dive into they could get everybody if phil goes back to the open does well wins money there or dustin goes and dechambeau goes that that conversation in the clubhouse thursday morning friday morning saturday morning sunday morning is going to be like well why would i not take a hundred million guaranteed dollars and then i can still come back and play for majors and make money here it makes no sense why you wouldn't and i think pj has to understand that i think they do well we know and we know they have at least 500 more because they were going to offer tiger what can 750 800 900 whatever it was so they're willing to spend all that money but did they need

to spend a hundred million on bryson don't you think bryson probably went over for like 50 you think dj probably would went over for $50? I think now it's like a marketing thing too. Splash. The other players are just waiting. Hey, what is my guarantee? Like you try to get your agent to kind of get a feel for what my number may be and then, okay, let's get that.

That's why Billy's great. He just won. Memorial's a big tournament, 2.1 mil. I guess his number probably went up with the live people. Hey, this is like an NIL type situation. Yes. like people what's your value you're right not like four star five star what's your nil value yeah so guys are learning how much they want to pay me 60 million fuck how much here we go how much is blah blah 62 but i need 63 from that gonna need 63 if that's what old but i honestly with greg norman running

this thing right that's yeah shock he has dustin johnson was standing right next to him in the group photo that they did dj was right next to him phil was off to the side he's dressed like a guy who just got 200 million dollars can do whatever the fuck he wants yeah he's you know he might be plus 160 from the way the internet has been speaking off this $200 million deal. He's dressing super cool. I feel like they are all proud. Yeah. Almost. Like, hey, we're changing

the way professional golf is. We are changing the way this is going, and the PGA is going to have to figure it the fuck out. I don't know how. I don't know how either. PGA is going to have to figure it the fuck out. I don't know how. I don't know how either. PGA's not going to find that kind of money to throw at people. Yeah, but do you think there's a possibility that if a bunch of these kind of mid-tier guys,

or however you want to call them, go over there, that some of the real top dogs on the PGA will be like, okay, fuck it, we'll just stay here, we'll let Liv cannibalize this tour. And yeah, I might not be winning as much as i would if i won one of those events but i'm gonna i'm gonna keep just racking up top tens here is there gonna be another one that comes i mean if somebody it's gonna have to take some real personal beef with somebody that has trillions of dollars to try to do it well trillions of dollars of course but if you get somebody who has a billion yeah there's a lot of i mean you go down

the list you have to eventually i understand what it sounds like obviously they have endless money over there at some point though do you have to show some kind of income all right so i don't want to even mention this because it's vastly different but like when aew came in or wcw came in with turner against wwf and vince m Vince McMahon made his money and was going all in and competing against this big backing. He talked about it in here. You know, they're not thinking about profit for, what, the first four or five years. Like, that is literally how all these big business people think. The big business people think, you know, you hear quotes from them about patience and the long term and all that.

It's like, well, Bob, I can't fucking buy gas today. So it's hard for me to think patience about money and investment if I can't pay a bill tomorrow, pal. So it's a vastly different world. They're thinking like 10 years from now, like 10 years from now we'd be able to have success in a functioning business. I don't know if that's what this team is thinking, but that's normally these businesses that come in to rattle, have a lot of money.

Oh, we're thinking about the long game here. We know it's going to be tough early. First four, five, six years, but 10, 15 years, we're going to be in there. It's like, how do you have that much forethought? I could not do that ever. Like you said, especially if you get these other companies

involved in everything, at some point they want to make money. It's not just like, okay, well, whatever. Who's commentating this? I'm going to get buried as well. Well, I was surprised that they haven't paid someone huge to commentate. Probably some European guys, right? The first one's in London.

I'm not taking it. Remember. I don't do Uber. I've never seen a fucking Disney movie. Nope. Okay? I shop from SeatGeek. I have a Tesla.

Yeah. So keep attacking me, you fucking sheep. I'm more than you are. Dude, I'm more than you are. 100 million? Me? I'm not taking it. No way.

Not today. Remember, we're stopping. We're not ride sharing anymore. 200 million? We're I'm not taking it. No way. Not today. Remember, we're stopping. We're not ride-sharing anymore. 200 million? We're not. Who gave Uber? Who bailed Uber out? All these companies I'm saying all have a pretty significant amount of Saudi Arabian money.

So the public investment fund, the PIF, which is what backs the live, is the wealth fund of the Saudi Arabian government that they put into to basically make money off of and invest. It's alleged to be worth at about $600 billion itself. A lot of money. Probably double that. Well, I mean, but just know that that money is in a lot of things that you guys do.

Not me. You. No. You. Sure. You. Oh, absolutely. Sorry. You. Kay. Not me. Artists and art. I could separate it like a motherfucker. You. No. You. Sure. You. Oh, absolutely. Sorry. You. Okay. Not me. Artists and art. I could separate it like a motherfucker. Sorry about it.

Give me all the blood money. What's the art? Money? In this particular fashion? Sure. And the artist would be that? You're disgusting. Yeah.

I want to let you know that. I am. You should not be celebrating what you're doing right there. I will. Have a little softer stance on the fact that maybe if we were to start snooping around, and people tweeting me is maybe the most fascinating thing because they're the largest shareholder in Twitter. So, I mean, it's just like, you know, we found that out when Elon went to buy it,

and then the kingdom of Saudi Arabia came out and said, no, thanks. And then they left and it was like, holy shit, Saudi Arabia owns Twitter? We had no idea. And then he starts looping around. It's like, oh, yeah. Is anyone else talking about this? Is anyone else doing this? No.

What are you talking about? That's probably why we're getting killed right now on the internet, because we're the only people talking about it. And we're assholes. And we're justifying terrible things that have been done in other countries. We're not. What we're justifying is the fact that you need to not attack just the athletes for this. If you're going to attack people for this, let's go ahead and go after

the companies that are worth billions and trillions of dollars then if we're going to do this. I can't watch YouTube either. It's on YouTube. Can't support it. Fuck! We can't do anything. How about one billion to commentate? Yeah. I think he'd take it.

I'm not tweeting anymore. It's very interesting, though. And I think this is a good thing for to happen in our country and a good thing to happen at this time. Because everybody feels good whenever they're speaking for what they believe is right. That is why I don't hate on people grandstanding and all that shit, because I genuinely believe that a lot of the people that say the things they say truly mean that. And they in their souls, they feel as if they are 100 percent right. And then whenever you open your eyes a little bit, you realize like, oh, this isn't the only thing

that's happening in this situation. Then if they choose not to get mad about everything, people probably start feeling bad. They're like, well, if I can't be bad at everything, so I just got to pick and choose. It's a wild time. And we're going to learn more about everything than we had ever wanted to, I assume.

And if I was Liv or Phil or any of them that were getting questioned at those press conferences yesterday by people in Nikes holding their iPhones, driving to the thing and tweeting during it, I mean, it would be hard not to just be like, what are you even? So I can't get a payday for my family and my life

and you are basically supporting a company and companies that have taken money and do things in a fashion that is probably less than what you intend for our world to live, maybe this will be actual change, though. Maybe we will make actual change. You know what I mean, Todd?

We'll see. I doubt it, but we'll see. Hopefully. No, maybe we will. That's what Gonzo said. This is actual... Well... Gonzo. What happened with him? Gonzo, maybe we will. That's what Gonzo said. This is actual. Well. Well. Gonzo. What happened with him?

Gonzo, quite a guy. Joining us now is a man who knows all about money. And I don't know if he's been watching us talk and thinks that we're idiots or thinks that we're playing a dangerous game, which I assume a lot of people are thinking we're doing on the other side. I think it's fascinating that the athletes are the only ones being attacked. And I don't appreciate that. I don't like that.

Coming from an athlete, they've worked their asses off. They've probably made something out of nothing. Billy Horschel, this guy, not there. His PGA Tour. Guy's dad was a construction worker. He gets a chance to change the trajectory of his entire life. His family tree changes with his success. And then people want to attack that,

but they won't attack the companies that are hoarding up the.00001% of the world that we're all pissed off about. It's just interesting how quickly people can get brainwashed into attacking one thing, and then the rest of the world just kind of goes by the wayside with the sleight of hand. That's just something I think we should maybe talk about. And we're a sports show, and this is sports. That's right. And that's why we're able to talk about it. Hell yeah. Joining us now is a man who was an agent,

was front office for the Packers, has negotiated contracts, knows the ins and outs of basically all sports. I think he started in tennis. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Brand. Yeah! Hey, guys. We're going to talk about football and team sports,

but you bring up such a great point. Golfers, tennis players, they don't have collective art agreements. They don't have guaranteed contracts. They're like independent contractors. So what we see now with this LIB golf tour is real competition for free agents because these guys are free agents, so they can play where they want. Now we have the US Open saying, we don't care where you play. You can play for us. So the PGA has some limitations here. They're really at an inflection point on how they're going to deal with this

because once they start saying, you can't play here, you can't play there, one, there's a well-funded tour that's an option that people can say, screw you, we're out. Number two, you know my saying there will be lawyers so if they try to restrict play beyond the pga a there will be lawyers and b guys getting these huge money from the liv golf tour just going to say all right we're out just like kevin nah has phil mickelson dustin johnson they're getting these 200 125 million dollar payouts they're like who needs200, $125 million payouts.

They're like, who needs the PGA? Well, especially if you can go play in the majors and build your legacy. And I love the fact that you've been able to join us from a business side. And we'll talk about team sports, obviously. We'll get into that. But we started snooping around, and I didn't know this, and I don't think a lot of people knew this. But it turns out, like, bad people who have a lot of money

or bad people in the past who have done things that are very bad, and I'm not just talking about this particular situation. I'm talking about around the entire globe who have a lot of money are like silent investors in a lot of companies, like a lot of companies, a lot of them, Andrew, the ones that we use every single day. Why do you think it's the athletes that are taking it on the shin so hard about being morally bankrupt and not all

these companies that are making billions and billions and billions of dollars while being celebrated for another round of funding that is probably coming from maybe some money that isn't necessarily, you know, squeaky clean? How come that happens, you think? It's a great question. I think there's always a favoritism, a bias for the corporate side rather than the player side. I've dealt with this forever. You sort of see this all the time.

Listen, we're going to talk about the Browns with Watson in a minute, but their owner, Jimmy Haslam, was dragged into court years ago for a year about some duplicitous practices of moving money around in his truck stops. We sort of lost track of that. And in terms of Saudi money, Pat, you know this, there's Saudi money all over the English Premier League. There's Saudi money all over the most expanding sport in the world right now, Formula One. It's only a matter of time. It's only a matter of time before Saudi money comes to American sports. There's just a limited amount of billionaire bidders for these big teams. We're going to talk about the Broncos.

But at some point, people are going to want that wealth. And I know we can politically talk about where that wealth is coming from and what's happened before but that's going to happen there's a lot of sacred parts of sports that aren't going to be sacred anymore and how come is it just because this one is outright openly just Saudi Arabia funding it that the players are getting attacked like I didn't know about the premier I just learned about the premier league I knew about Disney and Uber and Live Nation and Twitter and everything that basically people do every single day of their life. I knew that. I didn't know about the Premier League.

I didn't know about anything else. And you know what? Today's a good day for us to take a stand and say we're not doing it anymore. We will watch no more Premier League soccer. Nope. Don't. We won't do it. Me either.

I won't either, guys. Tomlinson. AJ! Speaking of soccer, you're going to watch watch the world cup that's in qatar same kind of funding operation so this is something that's happening around the world i think what happens with this we're gonna win it this year this is unbelievable i think phil mickelson you know has some bad pr with some of the stuff he said, and that kind of gets into this whole thing, and that sort of clouds the feeling about how we feel about it.

But listen, Phil Mickelson's getting $200 million from these people. Of course he's going to turn his back on the PGA. Of course he's going to promote what's going on there. That is life-changing wealth, not like he didn't have it before. But, man, this is a whole new league of wealth we're talking about compared to the PGA. Allegedly, he did have it at a couple different stages of his life.

Maybe handed it back. And then he didn't. Yeah, they didn't. Now it's back. And then, by the way, who knows what's going to happen next. The way he was dressed. Yeah, that's right.

The way he was dressed. I mean, we can never guess, but that's for him to deal with, not for us. I just don't like the fact that the athletes are the only ones taking on the shin when this is a big thing, and it might be because of the PR. We're not saying we agree with any of this. I'm not saying we agree with anything that has been done, said, or the actions. We're just saying it seems a bit hypocritical to only attack a couple people

when it's been happening, as you said, for a long, long time. Now, let's get to the NFL, which has no Saudi money. Nope. None. No Saudi money in the NFL. Right? So far. So far.

Easy, Andrew. Please. Andrew, no, none of that. But the Broncos get purchased by another member of the Walmart family. Now, another member, this is direct descendant, I believe, Robson Walton. Stan Kroenke is in-law, I think, or cousin. I'm not 100% sure. They're two of the top three wealthiest owners in the NFL right now, the Walmart family with Tepper in there at Carolina. There's only going to be more and more money dumped into the NFL, like you said, if the commanders go, any of the other teams go up for sale. What are your thoughts on new money coming

into the league and what exactly does this mean? And I think $4.65 billion for a team that has Russell Wilson at the helm and the Broncos fan base that is so loyal is a great deal. And am I wrong in thinking that? Yeah, $2.275 billion from David Tepper was the most recent sale. This basically doubles it, Pat. So now we're at $4.65 billion and you just mentioned it, the two most recent sale, this basically doubles it, Pat. So now we're at 465, and you just mentioned it, the two most recent sales in the NFL, the Panthers and the Broncos, now represent the two richest owners in the NFL. So we see a pattern here. The biggest money is coming out. The NFL, unlike the NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, does not, I repeat, not allow corporate ownership. They don't allow

private equity. So they have reduced the number of bidders to individual billionaires, and they came out of the woodwork for this sale, and it was vetted down to three or four groups, and the Waltons win. So it's the Walmart family, as you mentioned, the brother-in-law of Stan Kroenke, who's married to Ann Walton, the first and third highest wealth owners are now in the Walton family. So Walmart is two out of three for the NFL most rich owners to own these franchises. It tells me the bottom line is the bottom line. NFL owners, when they look at who's going to join them at the table, they're looking at resources resources you can talk about all the other stuff but this guy brings tremendous resources i was told on the tepper purchase that there were higher bids than

the 2275 there was potentially a 2-5 bid but they were leveraged they were dead david tepper could quote unquote write the check for 2275. Now, can Rob Walton write a check for 465? Maybe he's worth $60 billion. But none of these other bidders could even come close to writing a check for that amount. So you're asking what the NFL looks for in new owners? It's pretty clear right now. The bottom line is, what's their bottom line?

Allegedly, he can just write a check for that. That is a big deal and why he was chosen. Go ahead, AJ. Andrew, something that we talk about all the time on here is the salary cap. We say how it's not real. And people tell us, oh, you kick the can down the road, you eventually have to pay. But we haven't really seen a team have to pay.

What are we seeing right now with the salary cap? Let's talk about the Rams. We talk about the Donald deal. He's getting a 33 average over the next three that's quarterback money that's impressive he goes from 45 over the next three years to 100 million over the next three years good deal like wow and then the question gets to what you asked age what are the rams doing and here I'm going to give you a little salary cap 101. You guys ready? There's a quiz. Okay. What they do is something called cash over cap.

In other words, they can pay extraordinary amounts of cash yet stay under the cap. Stay with me here. Signing bonuses are prorated for cap purposes. So if you give a guy a bonus, it's prorate over the life of the contract. You keep the first year number low, you keep the salary low, and the cap goes up in later years. But you're staying under the cap while giving out a lot of cash. Now, cash-rich owners like Kroenke, like Walton will to come, like Jerry Jones, they can do this. Other markets can't. But here's what happens.

Let's take the Matthew Stafford contract, AJ. $60 million bonus this year. Repeat, $60 million bonus this year, five-year deal. So cap charge over five years is $12 million a year. Okay? Salary is $1.5. So $60 million bonus, $ 1.5 salary in 2022 right question 13.5 okay ding ding ding you got that here's the second question what is the matthew stafford

cash number for 2022? 1.5. 61.5. Fuck. 60 because he got the signing bonus plus the 1.5. That's all I'm asking. Andrew, is that because the owner has the cash to write that check? Exactly.

Now, what is the cash over cap number for just one player, Matthew Staffordord in 2022 well you do 61 and a half minus 13 and a half correct thank you so that's what 48 beautiful 48 million dollars so let's just let's just be clear on this stan kronke has just paid Matthew Stafford 48 million cash over cap one player on a team of 60 something players one player has a cash over cap figure of 48 million dollars so how do you stay under the cap you do this proration cash over cap you have one player making 48 million cash over cap the problem is somehow if you separate from matthew stafford down the road that 12 million a year of bonus accelerates when you separate so say i know it's never going to happen but say in two years they're done with matthew stafford now they bring in how much

cap pat uh 12 24 36 well if it's two years from now, 48 if it's before the next third year whatever yeah 36 million that would be dead money so this is the risk you're doing

now at the Packers as you know AJ I didn't do a lot of this one because we were a small market without tremendous cash flow, Two, I wanted to protect the future. I knew Brett would retire. We had to protect for Aaron. But this is something teams with a lot of cash flow can do. There's been talk at lead meetings over the years. I sat in this. We've got to put a cap on cash over cap, right? Understand? These small market owners wanted to get together and say, we need a cap on cash over cap. Right? Understand? We wanted, these small market owners wanted to get together and say, we need a cap on cash over cap. And then the Cronkies and Joneses of the world will say, no way. Yeah, hold on.

Because if you're a fan, you want your owner to be cash over cap king here. That's why this new money coming into denver and these other places is so massive right right so now we get to your question is the cap fake it's not fake but there is a loophole within the cap system that's not in the nba that's not in the nhl where you can do proration proration is the magic for teams that are struggling with the cap. They simply push out the cap, add voidable years to the end, which are dummy years just for proration purposes, and they can pay way over the cap. So you have to understand this.

Cash is hard, cold cash, right? We get that. Cap is not cash. Cap is accounting. That's all cap is. It's filing. That's all it is. It's just how it's filed, how the money is filed, basically. It Cap is accounting. That's all cap is. It's filing. Cap is accounting. That's all it is, is just how it's filed,

how the money is filed, basically. It's just accounting. It's not... So it's fake. So it's... Wait, Andrew, wait. Andrew, what you just said to me, by the way,

and I think I passed most of your questions, the 61 and a half, I don't know how I missed that. But what you just said, I cannot wait to regurgitate to somebody in a situation that will probably be on camera when they bring up the salary cap being fake. I'm like, well, you don't understand the game. Okay.

You don't understand the cash over cap. So it's only real basically to the owners that don't want to do the cash over cap or have the ability to do so. Correct. Who don't want to push out problems into the future if they're going to be problems. Right. And the only problems if you cut ties with said player before and avoided years where you're prorating everything. And this has happened to the aforementioned Rams, who counted 21 million on their cap this past year for a guy playing for the Detroit Lions named Goff. Matthew Stafford made $20 million last year. Jared Goff counted $21 million.

That wasn't cash, but that was accounting. Hey, that $36 million we threw out there for Stafford in two years, is that all in one year? If you cut them before June 1, you take the medicine. If you cut them after June 1, they would be 24 that year and 12 the next year. Oh, so 66% first year 33% on the last?

Yes. So, this is what goes on with cat management. Hopefully I've explained it sort of. Yeah, you did. That was amazing, Andrew. We should have had you on, what, like a year ago. I was yelling this into. We should have had you on, what, like a year ago? I was yelling this into the clouds like the last year and a half, two years.

And they actually did an entire segment on NFL Network to debunk what we were starting basically screaming. What's the biggest myth in football currently? And Tom Pelissero, jeet, jeet, jeet, boom. People saying the salary gap is a myth, isn't is a myth let me tell you why and he did an entire thing and it was like now people showing up in my mentions like you're lying you're wrong you don't know what you're talking about it's like you just you empowered me so much right there andrew i don't know if you know that i hope you know that i appreciate it pat let me no i appreciate it let me show you the other example, though. And this is the San Francisco 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo. So year one of that contract, Garoppolo made cash about $40 million.

The 49ers, flush with cap room a few years ago, they allocated almost $40 million in cap. In other words, they didn't do a bonus that's proratable. They did it through roster bonus, not prorated, big salary. So now when they move on from Garoppolo this year, which they will do through trade or release, there's hardly any dead money, like $1 million. But their team that year stunk, right? When he signed over there, when he got traded over there,

they weren't good, right? Well, he signed there. He got traded. Then they did a big deal. They had cap room, they used it. Now when they get rid of them, they have no remaining dead money. And that's another way to do it. So is the salary cap real? It just depends. With these big market teams that keep pushing it out, it's really a future thing. When people the packers aj asked me all the time can we do this can we do this mike mccarthy can we do this can we do this i'd say we can do anything we can do anything in the world if all we care about is this year right that's the point we can do anything you know we can do anything if all we care about is right now. And that's been the Ram strategy for a couple of years now.

But if we care about the future, and again, I was concerned Brett was going to retire. We need a good team around Aaron, all these kind of things. I was not pushing a lot of money out back then. But now the Packers are because Aaron's in a limited time frame. And the Packers are getting $200 million a year in real estate. Well, yeah, that too. Yeah, that absolutely helps. With no owner, they seem to be, the capital seems to be flowing into there.

So I'd assume Gutekunst and Murphy are like, hey, I think we could potentially do a little, because they made an offer to Devontae. This is coming out through Aaron Rodgers chit-chatting about his relationship with Devontae Adams and how he feels about him leaving. He said, like, you know, me and Devontae talked a lot about how much longer I'm going to play and my thoughts

and where he wants to put his family and everything like that. And we even made an offer that was maybe more compelling than the offer that the Raiders have. You're saying, I think from listening to you, the ability to do that is because they have so much cash on hand that they can potentially dabble into that world because of the Green Bay Packers having no ownership and just another round of money for nothing they collected like more stock just like doing nothing plus the real estate so we might

see teams like green bay or other teams do this or you think the old school teams will remain the old school teams i think teams with quarterbacks like aaron rogers are going to keep doing this obviously there's a massive difference when you're playing with a rookie quarterback teams? I think teams with quarterbacks like Aaron Rodgers are going to keep doing this. Obviously, there's a massive difference when you're playing with a rookie quarterback. And the Packers know, even if they have a huge dead number on Aaron coming up, they're going to have Jordan Love at a very low number. So their quarterback cap number is not going to be huge with Jordan Love, even with Aaron's dead money. I think that really just depends on the team. You know, and let me just say, Pat, the Devante thing, just, I continue to wonder about that. I just don't get it. Because as I know

better than anyone in my 10 years, they're the most proactive team signing up core players early on than anyone. And they signed up Kenny Clark, and they signed up Jair Alexander, and they signed up all these, Bakhtiari. For some reason, they didn't prioritize Devontae Adams until the end, until the Raiders got involved, I think. So something was off there. We focused on does Aaron have a problem with the Packers? I didn't think we focused on there's something going on between Devontae and the Packers for two years.

They didn't get a deal done, which is so out of line for the Packers. There's a back story going on there. There's a back story with Devontae and the Packers that we don't really know. We'll see. Eventually, yeah. I don't know. It is kind of a unique situation. But I wanted to pivot to Rusty Harden.

He's Deshaun Watson's lawyer. Are you surprised a little bit at how vocal he's been, like the different statements he's been making? Yeah, there will be lawyers. This one's really loquacious. This guy. Loquacious? What's that mean? What does that mean mean i'm writing that one down that means glib that means outspoken that means doesn't care what he says in the media he's been around so long and i don't get it you know i

would not be saying anything i would think him talking about uh happy endings as kind of normalizing it that doesn't help any case cases mentioned. It was even mentioned in the latest filing that went on yesterday. And I knew that would be once they put that out there. Listen, AJ, I've been pretty clear on this. I don't understand what's going on here. We've been dealing with this for 18 months. We're going to see discipline as, as my colleague, Albert Breer said the other day, maybe in July, but this one bugs me because I can get signing a guy who's maybe had some

character issues or had some bad things going on in his life as a player on your team, just a player, but the Browns made him the face of the franchise. The Browns gave him the best contract in the history of football. The Browns gave him the most secure contract in football for a guy facing this. For a guy that, even with the 22 lawsuits, a pattern where, let's just put it as nicely as possible, where he sought massages wanting them to work on his private parts. I mean, this is something like, really? This is the face of the Browns? And with the Trevor Bauer two-year suspension, with new information, dribs and drabs coming out almost every day, I have a hard time seeing him get on the field this year. I do. I

just think like, really? The NFL trying to appeal to women, the NFL trying to precedent of Roethlisberger, precedent of Ezekiel Elliott, precedent of Ray Rice indefinite suspension after the video. Like they're going to put him on the field this year, even for a couple of games. I'm having a hard time seeing that right now. Andrew, and I think as somebody who has represented the league before, worked there in age, I know feels this way. Represented the league before. Worked there. And AJ I know feels this way. Like the NFL is filled with very, very, very good guys. Who do very, very good things for their communities.

For their families. For everything. I mean large majority of guys in the NFL end up being great in the cities that they play for. And in the communities that they came from. And everything like that. This. The more and more that comes. The New York Times article yesterday was disgusting.

Like that's predatorial shit, like preying on people. The NFL, I don't know how anybody wants that to be a representative of our league, you know, and obviously these are all allegations and there's going to be 24 trials and everything like that. But this is not good for anybody that's ever been associated with the NFL to have this person associated right now. I don't understand how it's gone on for so long. I don't understand how we haven't had the punishment, the exemption list or whatever.

And to your point, I don't understand how he became the highest pick. It's not good for the NFL, Andrew, because these are very terrible things that are being, you know, accused. And like 24 of them, 66 women in 17 months allegedly a lot of them not choosing the press charge it's like this is insanity at this point i was looking for the white whale you know for years who's going to be that guy not kirk cousins three years who's going to get that fully guaranteed fully guaranteed just like nba major league baseball fully guaranteed five six year deal in the NFL? Is it going to be Russell Wilson?

Is it going to be Aaron Rodgers? Is it going to be Pat Mahomes? It's this guy. It's this guy. This is the guy who's the white whale. This is the guy who's got a fully rock-solid $230,046 million. Oh, follow-up. Is there any voids in that?

Because allegedly what's being talked about, and I don't know if you've seen the contract inside and out. I don't even know how that works. Why are people leaking people's contracts? I don't know. Let alone this, but just in general, it feels like Florio has the contract before that thing signed. And that's because Florio has been doing a lot of work in the NFL for a very long time.

People are talking about maybe a void to this deal because the Browns didn't know about the 24th accusation, which immediately brings out everybody on the internet going, 23 is fine, but 24 is not. And I think the reason why that is a thing is because the Browns wanted full transparency. And if anything on top of that was added, it was something they'd not expect or know had happened. And they feel like they'd been lied to Deshaun Watson, maybe is that what you're hearing and is there voids in every

contract i think isn't there no this is this contract's different i was told and actually by a reliable source that this contract had protections far beyond other contracts for the player in other words it looked like this contract was written by the agent for Watson. Again, the Southern team, this is a kid from the South, the Saints and Panthers and Falcons were in this, and the Cleveland Browns were out. Well, how did the Cleveland Browns get back in? It's the contract, $230 million, 46 a year, fully guaranteed. What I am told about his misconduct is that what has happened with these accusations will not affect any kind of void of suspensions for void of guarantees for any of the contract based on what's happened. So anything that happens new is going to affect potential future guarantees, but not for 2022 or 2023. It could affect 24 through 26.

So 22 and 23 are completely rock solid. 24 through 26, if he gets in new problems of misconduct, then they can go after some guaranteed money. problems of misconduct, then they can go after some guaranteed money. But like you said, if the team was going to say, which they're not because they're all in on Deshaun Watson, hey, this new information in the New York Times, we didn't know about this. Come on. Come on. It's the same pattern of the 22 lawsuits and the 23rd lawsuits where he brings his own towel, you know, all this stuff. It's the same pattern. Sixty-six different massage therapists in 17 months.

Alleged. These are all alleged, by the way. And Deshaun has answered, I believe, the new allegations by posting song lyrics on his Instagram story, basically saying, like, what they're saying about me isn't true. on his Instagram story, basically saying like what they're saying about me isn't true. And I guess Deshaun has stood in the pocket of defense saying, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I didn't do this. I didn't do this.

I'm very surprised that it's gotten to this point for all parties. Aren't you? This is classic settle, move on, like a long time ago, right? Isn't it? Or in alleged, it washaun. It was like, no, we're not doing that. We're not doing that. And now I have to wonder hindsight, how they're all feeling on how we got to this point. Yeah, I really think so. And I continue to focus on the contract because it has ramifications. Steve Bishotti at the league owners meetings was sort of bemoaning this contract because he's in the crosshairs.

Why couldn't Lamar Jackson walk in and say, I want that and better? 250. I've had a better career. I have no things in my past like this. And Steve Bishotti, I mean, if the owners try to, I know they're going to try to distinguish this. Oh, it was different. Unique circumstances. All these kind of things.

Well, why? And you have to fund future guarantees. Again, back to the cap, Pat, any future guarantees have to be funded by the owner. So there's 180 million of future guarantees funded by the Haslam's right now. In a holding, right? Does that get interest? In an escrow. In an escrow. Is there interest on that? Does the owner get that or the player? Yeah, who gets that? The escrow in an escrow is there interest on that does the owner get that or the player yeah who gets that the escrow yeah who gets a percentage i don't know the answer to that but i can tell you this joe burrow justin herbert up for contract next year

300 amps can the bangles do that though andrew can the bangles the brown family owning the bangles they don't have 100 million 80 million they don't have $180 million. They don't have it sitting around to put in escrow. The Spanos family that owns the Chargers, they're a family-owned business. They don't have $180 million to put in escrow. Jimmy Haslam has put notice to the rest of the owners on things they can't even do. So if I'm Justin Herbert's agent or Joe Burrow's agent, hey, give me that. They're like, we just can't.

Sorry about it. So then you go back to the NFL and you get rid of the funding rule. If you get rid of the funding, oh, it's a mess. It's a mess. And for this player, that's what just continues to hit me, for this player of all players. In this situation, at this time in society. Wild.

Go ahead, Ty Schmidt. Andrew, when you look at Aaron Rodgers' contract, he mentioned yesterday that although it's a three-year extension, it's basically a play one year and then kind of reassess and see where we're at after that. Do you think the Packers are aware of that and understanding that that's the situation? Or in their heads, are they thinking,

hey, we have Rodgers for the next three years? Because with how this was signed, if he were to retire, let's say, after next year, would that kind of put them in a very messy situation with the cap? They were in a bind. They were way behind. They were looking at me. Yeah, here's the thing with Aaron's contract.

I never believed this report's about $150 for three or $200 for four. It's a one-year, $42 million deal. Really? And then there's all these options right so options it's one of the only contracts i've ever seen ty where dead money goes up not down so if they exercise these options next year then you have more proration more dead money going forward so i think it's really a one-year commitment on both sides. And then, like always with Aaron, I think he said this, we'll see. We'll see.

We'll see what happens after this year. We'll get together. Are they going to exercise those options? Are they going to redo it? But right now, it's one year, $42 million for Aaron, and then we'll see what happens later. I mean, that's where we are with Aaron. Go ahead, AJ.

Andrew, how do you think they patched things up there with Aaron in the front office? I know he came out yesterday and said how the relationship's growing, they communicated. Do you think that was a smooth process? Yeah, I don't know how smooth it was. I talked about this a couple of years ago, and I've talked about it before, is that when I was there, as you know, AJ, we had Ted Thompson. Ted was not the greatest communicator. He was an incredible, elite, elite talent evaluator, and he wanted you so bad. He wanted you so bad, and he got you. Fifth overall pick.

Hell yeah. Ted Thompson. Ted Thompson said, give me that fucking hawk. Hour two wrapping up. We'll see you in about six minutes on the other side. Big guest, big convo. Sorry about it. Go ahead.

So he wasn't the greatest communicator he had me at john schneider at reggie mckenzie communicating to all the agents and players and brian was his ted disciple brian gutekunst and maybe didn't have the best communication skills and in releasing all these players aaron talked about or the resume right of ted thompson which is another thing yeah i mean he grew up at his, but he didn't have the chops that Ted had in terms of skins in the game. But he learned. He learned. And, you know, Aaron was always a favorite of ours when he came in at the front office.

He was easy to talk to. He was someone that we all knew and got to know a long time. And Brian was relatively new. So I think that's progressed. I really do. I think that's a nice thing to see. It's nice to see Brian have that relationship with Aaron now. Whether that affects he continue playing after a year or not, or from now, who knows? But I think Aaron called out the front

office of the Packers, which is very kind of football guy oriented, dealing with scouting, bird dogging players, not into the whole communication thing all the time. And they improve that. And they improve that. And Brian has become, I watch him in press conferences. He's become a much better communicator. I've known Brian since he was an area scout for us, you know, doing bird dogging in the Southeast.

He is now a good communicator, which he wasn't before. Kudos to him and Aaron for pushing them that way. It's great. Those guys are getting along better. It's good for the future of the Packers, I think as a whole. And I think that was what Aaron was almost saying. That's why people were asking like, what does Jordan Love think about this all? And I think if Jordan Love had any business acumen at all, or just brain at all, he's like, all right, if Aaron wants to take all the bullets for this and this is going to change the future of how this organization's run, I think we're all pretty happy about that.

I think we're just progressing into the future and the different way teams are going to be run. And the fact that Aaron did not have a say for that long, I was mind-blown by it, just strictly because when I got dropped into the NFL for no reason at all, I didn't even know how to do the job that I was drafted to do, and I got dropped into the NFL for no reason at all, I didn't even know how to do the job that I was drafted to do. And I got to ride the coattails of very good people. And it was a joke that I was even there.

Peyton Manning was able to do, like, if you wanted a guy on a team, like, okay, guys on a team. If he didn't want a guy on a team, all right, that guy's no longer on the team. If you wanted to have a different practice or have a different workout, it's like, hey, this is our guy. We are going to go as this guy goes. One assistant coach who had been on the team coaching since the beginning of Peyton's run is like, hey, we're just here until the wheels fall off. We're just here until as long as this guy will let us be here, and whenever he's done, we'll be done here.

I just assumed that was happening everywhere because that would make sense. Why would you not want one of the best football players of all time's brain whenever you're allowed to have it and some other teams can't have it? That never made sense to me. Andrew, maybe you might know why a little bit more it happens in other teams, but why was that ever a thing you think? I don't know. The Packers have sort of been, we scout, you play, you know, it seems like that's been for a while. But I know back in the day with Brett, it wasn't so much, hey, Brett, what should we do? It wasn't so much, hey, Brett, who should we play? It was just kind of cluing him in now and then.

And, you know, like just things said when he stops in the front office and parks in one of our offices. And I think Aaron probably needed more of that. I mean, it's funny because I think about Jordan love. If Jordan love starts playing next year, it seems like an eternity, right? But it would be the exact same waiting period that Aaron went through.

And those three years were tough, Pat, because, you know, I had to deal with bread. Like, you know what it's like coming into work every day and sitting with your replacement.

That's not great. And then on Aaron's side, not Aaron, but his camp would be like, is he ever going to play? Is he ever going to play? And I don't know what's going on with Jordan Love's camp, and I don't know what's going on, you know, Aaron. Jordan Love has been dropped into. Worst.

Yeah. And we've tried to separate it. Like, hey, Jordan's probably a cool guy, but this is a nightmare of a situation for that guy. It's tough because, you know, when Brett was in Mississippi those couple of years. But he's getting paid a lot of money to play football, so don't have feelings, you. You know what I mean?

That's how people feel. But you remember, A.J., when Brett was, you know, stayed away in the offseason, we saw Aaron. We had two offseasons where it was Aaron's team, like from March to July. It was Aaron Rodgers was our quarterback. And we had guys like Greg Jennings and Donald Driver and James Jones. He'd be coming up to the office like,

this guy. Like, this guy. This guy is for real. Hey, this hippie guy. Yeah, this guy from Northern Cal, California Cool. He's for real. Like, he's got movement skills. He's got arm strength. He's intelligent off the charts.

He just doesn't take things too seriously. And that's when we kind of knew. You know, we kind of knew we could turn the keys over to this guy in the bullpen. Mike McCarthy. I like this guy down here. Hey, Brett, you want to keep causing problems? No problem. We'll send you some footage from OTAs, pal.

This hippie guy has just been sitting in your room can sling he's been slicing and dicing aj hawk oh fucking yeah that's huge that's a huge advantage you know and i assume they were excited about that with jordan love too like hey we get a chance to see what's going on yeah i don't know if that's going on with jordan i mean aaron's only there for the mandatory i don't know if that's going on with jordan where they're saying okay we can turn it over to Jordan next year, the year after, whatever it's going to be, or we're going to have to do something else. Last question here, Andrew, we can't thank you enough for your time.

Go ahead, Tony. Andrew, we talk about it all the time in here because we always have this question. In the one per club meeting, do the Packers get listened to or not because they do not have an owner? Yeah, this is my inferiority complex going to the NFL meetings every year. It was, you know, every team's got a paranoia. The commissioner of the NFL doesn't treat you the same as other teams. That was our beef. Like, since we don't have a billionaire

sitting at that table, they're kind of like, you know, pat him on the back, pat him on the head, say, hey, good old Green Bay. You know, you guys are great. What a story. You're in this little burg up in the northeast Wisconsin. Isn't that cute? We felt that, you know, we felt that we felt like, hey, you know, we, you know, it was great not having an owner for a lot of reasons. Great. Awesome. But when it got to that, it was like, yeah, feel a little second class here. Not having an owner at this table. Oh, so it doesn't matter either huh like hey we want some more primetime games baby well jerry jones shut up okay shut up okay we're getting every single one of them i don't know what you're talking about do you think like walton tepper and them who have a little bit more cash flow going in those meetings we'll get a little

bit more power who who runs those yeah i think they mean, again, it's politicking with the commissioner. It's getting with the owners that have a lot of influence, like Kraft and Jones. Snyder's fucked. But the bottom line is the bottom line is the team. Obviously, that didn't affect us being on primetime six times a year with Brett Favre and with Aaron Rodgers. You know, the bottom line is what's your team?

What's your team like? Hey, we're lucky to have you join us every once in a while, man. You're fucking awesome. Your brain is is great you empowered me and thinking that salary cap is 100 fake and we appreciate you so much how can people keep up with you a little bit more yeah andrew brand on twitter i do a newsletter every every week now andrew-brand.com and i'm doing all these reels now on instagram oh look at you, the future. Well, where's Instagram? Andrew Brandt, too. I couldn't,

somebody stole the Andrew Brandt on Instagram. Andrew Brandt, too. Yeah, but who, do you know who all is invested in those reels? All right, ladies and gentlemen,

Andrew Brandt. Andrew! ...us now is a man who knows a lot about a sport that is very huge on the internet. He's the future of NBA and sports talk. He just created something called Enjoy Basketball, which is for people who are tired of hot takes and negativity.

That's us right here, pal. You can find him on Twitter and on YouTube at KOT4Q. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Beecham. Hey, Kenny! What an intro, man. What an intro. I appreciate you guys having me. Hey, no problem.

I enjoy your energy, your spirit, man. I'm excited to link up with you here. This should have happened a long time ago. Thank you for joining us. I think so, too. I've been following for some time, and I'm just checking my verify tab, waiting for the Pat McAfee follow-back. I'm just waiting.

Look on. Go ahead. Go look right now. Okay. All right. I'm waiting. Here we go ahead go look right now okay all right all right i'm waiting here we go and it is there yeah yeah there it is i thought i'd already followed you i'd seen you on the internet i knew exactly who you are whenever it showed up like hey would you want

kenny beacham on the show it's like i think zito asked me i'm like yes i know of your work i appreciate your work and i like the fact that the future of sports talk feels like it's going to be much more positive and not hot takey. Now, let's go to your last tweet. I just checked. 4,200 retweets or something like that, which is obviously colossal numbers on the Internet. It was C.J. McCollum and J.J. Redick, a picture of them about to destroy Stephen A. Smith. And Stephen A. looked defeated. Oh, yeah.

We're talking head down, no confidence ass Stephen A. Smith after what J.J. Redick and C.J. McCollum did. Kevin Durant actually quote tweeted the entire thing. It was like, oh, is this what's happening on first take now? I'll fucking come and check it out. How do you feel about the way basketball is being covered? And do you like the new players getting onto ESPN and the way everything's going on the internet?

I think it's good for all the sports right now. Kenny? I definitely love it. People like JJ, CJ, they're anti-hot take culture. I do believe that for the past 10 years or so, as I was growing up, I would watch the ESPNs and we're thinking that is the only way to enjoy a sport is to rank players and try to diminish these players. And now you get this new generation and this movement that we've been trying to start and now you can just sit back and enjoy the game

whether it be basketball baseball football and just take it for what it is which is entertainment what do you think of uh what like pat beverly has been doing on espn going back and forth and i think jj and pat and having them there is awesome also jj's podcast too seeing these nba players actually like open up and feel comfortable is really cool but you think pat beverly has a long future there at espn i think he could i think he recently said that um he wouldn't go out of his way to do like a casting career afterwards but he's built for he 100 is if you have anybody that knows the x's and just knows basketball deeper than like a casual fan, but can also keep it real.

That's what Patrick Beverly has done. He's got a nice future, but I think he still wants to get that championship eventually before he decides to do anything else. Hey, a lot of hot takes out of Pat. I mean, definitely. Pat Bev there. The first day he was on ESPN, he trended for like 14 hours. I respect him a little bit more than Stephen A. Smith because he's the one guarding Chris Paul. So the hot take matters a little bit more to me as an outsider. How do you think that came to be, by the way, the hot take culture? Because you talked about it and you said you grew up on it. And I think we all did as well.

And it was cold pizza. Yep. Yeah. Cold pizza was a show way back in the day. Kenny, you might be too young. You look very young. You look damn good. Yeah. Well, that's what first take is now. Literally, Cold Pizza became something, and then now it's first take or whatever. That's like the evolution

of it. But combat sports talk is almost what became the thing. Why do you think that happened? Do you think it's because everybody loves just hearing why somebody else sucks? Do you think that's why it is? I think it's partially that. I also think it's a way for people to get the attention that is necessary to grow in the business, right? If I have a hot take about LeBron, who's one of the greatest ever, it's going to matter a little bit more than me praising him. If LeBron has a bad game, like as a YouTuber, if you talk about LeBron's bad game, it's like your best performing video of the month. So when you think about it in that sense, the hot take culture is the way people get on to sports media. That's how it has been. But we're trying to change that. We're trying to change that.

Yeah, we are. Aren't we, Kenny? Hey, we are. You and me both. Go on. Everyone loves a car wreck, though, right? Isn't that what people are tuning in to watch? Everyone loves a car wreck though, right? Isn't that what people are tuning in to watch? It is. It is. And I'm not saying there is no world for hot takes because I think there can be conversations about ranking players and doing things like that. But I think that we get to the point where it's too over the top. Where it's like, man, you can say a lot of things about like Steph Curry, but you cannot deny the fact that he is great at what he does.

And I think we get to the point where we start to diminish these careers, and that's the greatest shooter of all time, one of the greatest point guards of all time. He doesn't have a finals MVP yet, but who gives a damn? He's great at what he does. Hey, will you give me a fist bump right here? Which way am I? Am I this way? Yeah, to your right, to your right.

Boom. Yeah. Boom. We're going to do it. Hey, we're going to do it. We're going to change the way sports are covered, your right. To your right. Boom. Yeah. Boom. We're going to do it. Hey, we're going to do it. We're going to change the way sports are covered, Kenny. Let's do it. Definitely.

Why not? Definitely will for it. Hey, you crush on YouTube, dude. Absolutely crush. I enjoy watching your videos. Zito sent me a bunch. And just you have such a spirit about you that is just uplifting. And I don't want to be a hot taker and bring you down at all.

Celtics are dead, right? Celtics are completely dead. Golden State's about to just go ahead and run the table from here on out. Is that how you feel? And is this the right two teams, you think, in the finals, Kenny? I think it is the right two teams from everything we've seen so far. But I wouldn't go as far to say they're dead in the water, man. They had a template in

game one obviously you don't expect al horford to hit six of eight threes every single game but if you look at what he did from game one to game two he's probably somewhere in the middle he had like four points in game two i'm expecting more from him i'm expecting more from marcus i'm expecting more from from derrick white um so i'm hoping they're not dead in the water because i want a competent and competitive series did you play ball how'd'd you get into this? So my uncle used to say like those who can't play talk. So I played a couple years of high school and then I realized dad is like a five nine. My mom is like five one. Hooping is not really the future for me. So let's pick up a microphone and just study the game and talk about it. How long you been ever since high school you've been talking in the microphones how old

i've been talking in the microphone so it started off just as gaming and it was like sporadic gaming of sports gaming it was shooters it was a lot of different gaming and then i realized that people cared about what i was saying for some reason then it gravitated more than just like me this microphone and this setup and let's just talk all things basketball. You're killing it, man. Hey, happy for you. Yeah. So you're what? You're 5'4 1⁄2"?

No, no. I'm 5'8". Oh, hey. I'm 5'8", you know. A lot of people don't believe it because I'm interviewing athletes who are 7'0", so I take pictures next to them, and they think I'm 5'0".

It's like, no, I'm a little bit taller than that but obviously not nba height um i was tall enough and decent enough to make it the first two years of high school hoops but after that it was a wrap any nba guys uh show you love that really got you excited you know like any nba guys have seen your stuff and said hey this is really good i appreciate that i assume that it gives you a nice jolt who who was it definitely definitely uh jj reddick um honestly gave me a ton of confidence over the last couple years i don't even know how we linked up but he did a live show in in um new york a few years ago that he invited me to i've been on his podcast a few times him duncan robinson um i used to do the series where i was interviewing nba players and i

always knew like if they enjoyed the interview they'll hit me back with a follow on twitter so i have like rudy gobert follow me jamal cropper duane wade so i'm like if they enjoyed the interview they'll hit me back with a follow on twitter so i have like rudy gobert follow me jamal cropper dwayne wade so i'm like if those dudes enjoyed our interview so much i must be doing something right hey happy rudy survived that coveted yeah remember yeah rudy actually was the one that threw covet into america yeah i believe it that's what he did that was a tough time hey you have to do a lot of PR after that one. Yeah, COVID was a tough time for all of us, but Rudy Gobert really, there for like a week and a half,

two weeks, he was public enemy number one. Top. Because he was disrespecting the media. The media. Hey, you disrespect the media. They're not happy about it. Don't even think about it. This guy touched our microphones with COVID.

That son of a bitch. We're all going to die now. Donovan Mitchell hates me. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Kenny. Aside from the Celtics, obviously, they're probably going probably gonna win the final i believe that you kind of feel the same way but is this the most talented the nba has ever been it feels like every team uh aside from some of the veteran teams have a guy that's like in his 20s that's already kind of a bona

fide stud definitely i think this is the most fun i've ever had as a basketball fan i started watching in 2003 ish um there's like you said, immense amount of talent, so much that I'm waiting for expansions to happen. I'm looking for the next two cities to get a basketball team because there is just so much talent. It seems like people are coming into the league younger and younger and becoming great. Luke immediately came into the league and was like an all star player. Zion had to set out a season, but he came back and he was an all-star player um and it's just i think it goes back to like people realizing how great how much work you have to put in to be great so like i have a cousin who started playing basketball like two years old and now he's like ranked here in chicago at uh freshman

on varsity because they realized very early on that that basketball can be a ticket out of a lot of different places uh you're from chicago i just i am so michael jordan greatest player of all time better than all time i got this 101 piece behind me i paid five thousand dollars for it oh you're living well can't hide it can hide it. That's the greatest of all time, if you ask me. But candidly, I was born in 96, so I didn't get to watch the two, three peats. But I know about them. Oh, so you've seen all the highlights. I've seen the highlights. You know, Hardwood Classic plays the full games, you know, during the offseason.

So, you know, I've seen a decent amount. Much better than LeBron. LeBron, never, ever. Huh, Kenny? Is this hot take kenny you excited you excited for lebron to start a podcast i'm excited for uh the opportunity to be on lebron's podcast okay so because you think that lebron has a chance to be the greatest of all time right we don't know what his career is gonna end up being uh it's always hard when people

ask me that um i'm always gonna go with my heart, and my heart says MJ just because of the six rings here. But I always, to play it safe, I always say LeBron is the greatest player I have personally ever seen. Smart, Kenny. Yeah, that's smart. That's the way I answer that question 100% of the time. Go ahead, Ty. Kenny, you mentioned LeBron. Anytime you do a video about him, that's probably the most viewed thing that you're doing.

And Connor said how the league has so many good guys at this point. But do you ever get tired of casual fans only? There's the same seven guys you talk about who move the needle, and then no one really gives a shit about anyone else. Do you ever get caught up in like, oh, I'm just talking about the same guys over and over and over and over every single night? You know what I've done in the community that we build have done a great job of just showing love on whatever videos. I did a video about Rudy Gobert and it was one of my top performing videos. You know, so like I think there is an avenue for people that are deeper than the casual fan that only care about the top seven or eight guys. And those are the people I'm trying to cater to.

I mean, there's 30 organizations and at least 25 of them deserve to be talked about one way or another so i try my best to try to cover all things which ones don't no comment oh thanks smart that's very smart there's no reason to bring that up what's this guy about are we not trying to enjoy basketball as a casual fan i'm I'm very curious, but I agree with you. I love Michael Jordan as well. Hey, you're in. What? He's from Ohio, though.

He's from Ohio, though, the home state of LeBron. I'm a huge LeBron fan, too. Yeah, me too. You can be both. You definitely can be both. Well, not you. You paid five grand for a poster behind you. You know what I mean?

That is the whole thing. Hey, enjoy basketball. I looked at your YouTube. You got like six pages. paid five grand for a poster behind you know what i mean that is the that is the whole thing hey enjoy basketball um i looked at your youtube you got like six pages multiple six figure follow i mean it is you are a weapon dude you your work ethic unbelievable your vision incredible i think enjoy basketball this is the is this new what is basketball? If you were to put it in terms of, is that the community you're talking about with like a hundred thousand people? Correct.

So enjoy basketball is a message that I've been sending for years. One, one day I was just like, Hey, I talked to my people and I said, let's, let's try to make it more than just a message. Let's,

let's try to build a community around it. So it's really for the NBA fan that doesn't really care about the hot takes. It's for more. I want to watch the basketball and just enjoy for what it is. community around it um so it's really for the nba fan that doesn't really care about the hot takes it's for more one i'm gonna watch the basketball and just enjoy for what it is we had our first merch drop and we sold out in three hours we're yeah like it's great and we have a newsletter that we um that we write three times a week all things hoop with some of the best people in uh nba twitter so yeah enjoy basketball is a real thing man And I think people are taking the message and running with it. That's awesome.

I try to enjoy basketball as much as possible except for whenever I lose. Yeah. An absurd amount of cash on method at first basket. Oh, tough. Who's going to score first? You know, there's so many. This is the thing. This is why I like those bets because you can be mad about it for five minutes

and then you can enjoy the rest of the game, right? Yes. First basket is over and now let's just sit down and watch hoops. Well, yeah, but then there's follow-up bets to the potential. Now we're chasing. Now we're chasing. You know, Kenny, I mean, it's a full. I'm not a big bet guy, so that first basket is about the extent of my knowledge.

Well, that's because you enjoy basketball. That's because I enjoy it. Yeah, we're trying to profit off it, and we never do. Go ahead, Tone. Kenny, who's a player now player now like who's the most positive player in the league like a player that anytime you do a video about or anytime you talk about everyone is positive about that player and like and has the least amount of haters you think wow you know it changes right um it's not john anymore after this this last playoff run. He's got people to turn on him. And that's what it is.

You will have a player that is young and good and you make videos about him. I'll say Luca. And then you get to the point where Luca is leading his team to the conference finals. And now the teams that he beat, the fans of those teams hate him now. So there is no player that is like 100 percent positive. I would say Luca is probably the best thing. Trey Young during the run last year he had new york against him but other than that everybody loved him but it's hard man it's hard to maintain a bunch of love like even chris paul one of the greatest of all time in the last two years i've had people turn on him so i don't really know kenny who's gonna win the uh who's gonna win the finals uh my original prediction was Warriors in six, and I'm going to stick to it.

You son of a bitch. I hope it goes south. Just enjoy basketball. Maybe be positive. Yeah, Kenny. Call Kenny, our guest, a son of a bitch. Well, I mean, he's not enjoying basketball. He's just rooting for the Warriors, but whatever.

It's fine. No, no, no. I'm not rooting for it. That's just what I predicted was going to happen. Kenny, it's okay to say Celtics are dead, dude. They're dead. But you know, in February, when they were starting their turn, I went on to national TV and told the world that the Celtics are going to make a run.

And I got laughed at by Shaq and Dwyane Wade. Fools. And here they are in the finals. So I want to kind of see them be successful so I can rub it in their face next time I see them. Yeah. Realistically. 5'9", 5'8". You're going to have to. I mean, rubbing it in Shaq's face is going to. Yeah. Realistically. All right, Nas, 5'8". You're going to have to.

I mean, rubbing it in Shaq's face is going to be tough. Stepwise. Yeah, last time I met Shaq, he put his hand on my skull and just shaked it around. Well, whatever is happening inside of that skull is incredible. We're very lucky to be on the same platforms as you. We appreciate what you bring to the sports world. And you know what?

I mean, I followed you before this. I should have followed you a long time ago, dude. Appreciate you guys, man. This is a blast. I'm, I followed you before this. I should have followed you a long time ago, dude. Appreciate you guys, man. This is a blast. I'm tuning in very, very often. I appreciate you guys. Hey, no problem. Anytime you want to come back, you let us know.

If you're doing any more merch drops. You let me know. If you need anybody to talk hoops, I'm the guy. You are the guy. It sounds like you're. All right. Who's the most talented player in the NBA right now? Is it Kyrie Irving?

And what's going to happen when he goes to the Lakers with LeBron? Are they just going to win the next four rings? Is it Kyrie Irving? What's going to happen when he goes to the Lakers with LeBron? Are they just going to win the next four rings? He might be the most visually pleasing player to watch for sure. The most optically pleasing player, Kyrie Irving. It might be Kyrie because defense is talent to me and he ain't really got

much of that. What was your second question? Hot take on the negativity there. Unbelievable. We love Kyrie. Kind of negativity there. Unbelievable. He's got to read. We love read. Yeah, yeah. We love Kyrie. Absolutely.

We love you too, man. Thank you so much for stopping by. Have an incredible Wednesday. Can't wait to see the shit that you come up with next. Appreciate you, fellas. Enjoy the rest of the show. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Beecher. Kenny!

Kenny! Can we get a Picasso? Yes. The answer's no. What about in the Yes. The answer's no. What about in the bathroom? The answer's no. Well. In the bathroom?

There will be no testically painted paintings in the Thunderdome. Does that mean you fly him in and he has to get butt naked and paint the wall? Yeah, we're not doing that. No. But if we were, we'd let him know that as you get older, testosterone production begins to naturally decrease in the body. True. For most men, it begins around the age of 30. AJ, how old are you?

38. Yikes. Oh, my God. Did you know that testosterone production declines roughly 1% per year? Holy smokes. After the age of 30. So you're down about 8%. You're at about 92% of the testosterone you used to have, pal.

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It's not what Gumpy's using, but he should be. That's right. True. Definitely. We're going to see Gumpy go through a couple phases here if he's doing this because I think there is like, there's the puff phase when you first get into the sandwiches. Sure. And then there's the afterwards where you reap all the benefit from it.

and then there's the afterwards where you reap all the benefit from it. So Gumpy's head might be larger in like a week or two than it will end up being on the screen for Hammered Down. This will not do any of that. No, no, no. No, this is not doing any of that stuff.

This stuff is just lifting your T, more energy, a little bit better sex drive as you get older. You did that yesterday with Dana. It's like, why you got embarrassed in front of Uncle Dana I didn't say anything about a hard out in front of Dana

No you said is Dana coming on It's like yeah alright Now we look like assholes I never know what time anybody's coming on Do you want us to We should send you Actually you know what Con can you send me that one sheet actually No I'll screenshot it and text it to you now i will say the last time i sent you a

screenshot of it you got the time wrong that was in the screenshot on the show you know i thought the person's come on 205 it's like 225 on the sheet that i sent you you're 20 minutes off so i always assume more information actually less information in your particular case. Oh, no, I like more information. Well, that's what I'm saying. Your performance doesn't. Yeah, you fuck it up. Oh, okay, cool. Then don't send it to me.

I can just freeball it out here. No, we could do it. It's very nice of you to freeball it out here. Two separate ones. So it's like one smaller one, like cut it in half almost. And say, hey, here's the times that things are happening. Yeah, might help the brain. But what I'm saying is the time that I sent him sheet with times of guests on. Yeah.

You still botched it. Botched it completely. It was off 20 minutes. I don't recall that. I was like, oh, I must have. I mean. Jesus Christ. What is going on?

There's a tornado warning. That's going to be here tomorrow. There we are. Tornado warning right here. Which one's worse, watch or warning? Warning. Warning's worse? Yes.

So we're under a watch. Yeah. There's no warning. Warnings don't happen very often. Yeah, because once they've warned you, it's... Yeah. It means one has been spotted in the air. Yep.

What temperature are we at right now? It's dropping today. 74. 74? It was 80 at noon or something like that And then it's going down to like 73 That's why I wore pants today Because I thought on the way home when I go outside

I'll be able to wear pants Smart, might be a little chilly Also, no shorts really at the new house I'm realizing my warm weather gear is limited And by that I mean obviously Tank every day, all day What's going on down here? I haven't been able to do cardio in, what, three weeks because of this thing?

How about me just healing this thing myself? Pretty cool. Rehab it. Pretty cool. What was the diagnosis on your injury? I just tweak a little something there, like you bite your cheek. Self-heal. Yeah.

Tweak knee. Time heals all wounds. Boom. Good job. Congrats, man. Thank you. You said that, Gaga? I mean, yeah, look at you.

Yeah, I'm back. I'm back, AJ. Be careful. Be careful. I need to not hit golf balls full go on cement over here. Right. You need to have a little bit of give on that thing, a little bit of turn on that thing.

We got multiple mats. Can you stand on the one mat and hit off the other? Yeah. And I've also been taking off my shoes, so I've got socks on. So the socks will move. Those Air Forces are too squeaky. Exactly. Too much grit.

That reminds me of And One. Those commercials are so good. Let's finish up these phone calls and get the hell out of here. We've done enough talking for today. We talked about some real shit today. Oh, yeah. Everything that's going on. Did my first same-game parlay hit in that first game?

Tigers-Pirates? What was your... Let me tell you. Tigers just went up 2-1. Yes! We like that. Did Brer do anything? Miggy had an RBI. He did not hit a home run. I didn't get a hit.

He did two home runs. All right, here we go. Miggy is one for four had an RBI. He did not hit a home run. I didn't get a hit. He did two home runs. All right, here we go. Miggy is one for four with an RBI. What is Mitch Keller doing? Yeah, it's not good. Mitch Keller is dealing. He went six, gave up one on a run. Had seven strikeouts.

Oh, no. Pretty fishy day on the bump. Had seven strikeouts. Oh, no. Pretty fishy day on the bump. This guy's unbelievable. I was betting he would suck. Yeah, I jumped in there with you. You really sold me down the river there. It wasn't me. It was them.

I didn't know that this guy fucking existed. That's the Pirates pitcher? Yeah. Yeah, the Tigers are like the worst hitting team in baseball. No, I know. That's why I was getting such good odds. But Pirates stink. And I just assumed it's a fact that this guy stinks.

19th best record in the MLB. Who cares? I wish they were the worst so they would fucking have to sell. That's what I hope. I do not like the Pirates. I got news for you. Them being 19th or them being 30th record-wise, neither is going to fucking make them sell.

You're right. Zambelli's still going to sell tickets to PNC. There's going to be a bobblehead. Shame, I don't like it. Everyone else praised the two Yankees' best players, former Pirates. True. All right. Really? So for the Yankee game, this is what I got.

This is what I got for the Yankee game, AJ. Plus $119,000. Okay? Yankees, Moneyline. Who are they playing? Twins. They've won seven in a row. Nestor Cortez on the mound.

The Twins have or Yankees? No, the Yankees have won seven in a row. We love. Us are they playing? Twins. They've won seven in a row. Nestor Cortez on the mound. The Twins have or Yankees? The Yankees have won seven in a row. We love... Us Yankees love streaks. John Sheeran said it to us yesterday. Head odds maker. Aaron Judge is going to hit two home runs today. He might.

This son of a bitch is the MVP right now. He hits a home run every night. Anthony Rizzo is going to record a hit. Gary Sanchez is going to record a hit. He might for a Yankee. New York Yankees will win the first five.

There'll be a tie after the first inning. Minnesota Twins take the lead after the second inning. And then by the fourth inning Yankees are back. Yes. And Joey Gallo going to get a hit.

That might be the tough one. So, tie after the first inning. Definitely possible. Twins after the second inning. Yankees after the fourth all the way through. Possible.

Yes. In the fourth, Josh is home, right? Joey Gallo, no chance of him recording a hit. Every time I've said it to a Yankee fan

or a gambler, like, ooh, that Joey Gallo one is going to get you. Not tie after the first inning, twins after the second inning. Not that one.

That one might be tough, too. That's the other tough one. But, yeah. 119,000. It's possible. Hey, anything's possible. Let's go. It's unbelievable.

All the Owen tweets doing well on the internet. Oh, nice. Fucking Aristotle and Owen dunking on Connor. I wish we had camera on that diner in Tampa Bay when Aristotle dunked on Connor. That was what it was like, but face- face to face in a very snotty fashion. Conor, thank you for your services. Anytime. I'm glad Connecticut's kind of turning the page

on being bitch made cats. But also, I've never even worn that Aristotle hat since that happened. And he had a Yankees jersey on. So he beat you. Oh, yeah. But at the end of the day, Red Sox knocked the Yankees out of the playoff last year. So it was kind of like Oh, Aristotle had a bad night. Got you back. Conor had just bought that hat At the end of the day, Red Sox knocked the Yankees out of the playoff last year. So it was kind of like a –

Oh, Aristotle had a bad night. Got you back. Connor had just bought that hat, though. It was feeling so good. And this kid just ethered him into the ground. And he's – I think he left the hat in the booth. So the hat gets buried with Aristotle's shovel. Then that sweatshirt jacket thing you loved in LA.

Loved. Loved. Loved. Gone literally the next morning. Yeah. When Adrian Pearson walks up and goes, what size is that jacket? I like that jacket. Oh, that jacket looks like it'll fit me.

Those are hilarious lines that are said in locker rooms, and people either know how to respond or you don't. And Connor goes, you want it? You want it? All right, take it. And then he puts it on, takes it off. Doesn't even put his arms through. Gives it to a manager.

He's never seen that thing. Throw that thing in the garbage. It's in the back of somebody's car. He had 295 yards in one game before the NFL was going through, like, on their Instagram. Is Omar running the check down and at NFL Sports Center, Omar? I don't know. Check the bio.

His hat will be in there if he is. NFL throwback always crushes. That's my favorite NFL account, I think. What's his account? Omar. Even on Twitter? No, no, no. We're talking about Instagram. I don't fuck with Omar. Even on Twitter? No, no, no.

Just on Instagram. I don't fuck with Instagram. Who is Omar? He runs SportsCenter. He started House of Highlights. Oh, yeah. Talented internetter. Good clipper.

Great clipper. Huge. House of Highlights. Huge. Yeah, now he's at SportsCenter full time. I think he runs SportsCenter Instagram. Definitely. But it feels like the check down and at NFL are starting to dabble into Omar's world.

It feels like maybe it legitimately might be an Omar disciple, protege that is running them now. Yeah, I assume they probably are taking the Omar blueprint. A lot of those accounts. Yeah. All of them are. Yeah. That blueprint stinks.

Tony, what do you mean? One of them is good. Don't you think? I think like one of them is good Yeah. That blueprint stinks. Tony. What do you mean? One of them is good. Don't you think? I think one of them is good. I think Omar's very good at what he does at SportsCenter, but everybody trying to emulate that, I think it becomes a little bit too much,

and I have to unfollow people that I don't want to unfollow. It's like, why are you doing this to my thing? Good run. You know? I see the same clip on six different accounts This is wild That's crazy With the mind blown emoji Alright alright alright

Everybody can go to reddit And find these things Let's go to the phones Let's go to Tim in Indianapolis What's going on Tim Your excellency how's it going today Oh jeez We can't start that

just yet, Tim. Let's give it at least a week. It's in a little bit of heat right now. Thank you, thank you. What do you want to talk about, pal? Well, two quick things. One, just to give you a little background, Black Adam is in the Shazam. So the Zachary Levi, if you saw that one, I know you probably didn't. Shaq? In that world. No.

That's Kazam. No, that's Kazam. Shazam is the app. It's Kurt Warner. It's also the app. What song is playing right now? Yeah, exactly. Is Black Adam going to be singing songs in this thing and Shazam's coming out telling him the song?

He's not the first kid actor? I mean, I'd watch it. That's Sinbad. No, that's... Never made that movie. Yeah, it's Mandela. Yeah. We're getting down to the wormhole.

Richie Rich? Well, Blank Check was the shit. Oh, yeah. We're going to really get into old movies. Mandela was his first kid. Nelson Mandela? What the... Mandela.

Mandela? Modelo? Modelo? What? We miss you, Gumpy. Sorry about this, Tim. This is why our show stinks i mean honestly we can't take anything i have no idea what you're talking about but black adam is going to be the best movie of all time hell yeah i will see but no my real question is with that new york times article seem like they were trying to bury the texans little bit. Don't most NFL teams make outside services sign NDAs

when they come in to work with players and teams? Interesting question, Tim. I'm not 100% sure. I did see that the Houston Texans allegedly gave Deshaun Watson NDAs to utilize. Bleacher Report reported that the New York Times reported that via their investigation, Deshaun Watson met a minimum of 66 women for massages over the course of 17 months. The Texans gave him access to hotel rooms for massage appointments and provided him with nondisclosure agreements,

per Jenny Florentes, who has done the entire New York Times article, I believe. She was the one that did all the investigating. The Texans supplying hotel rooms, fascinating. I didn't read that. I don't know. The NBA thing, I guess, so every NFL team has some sort of retired bigwig, cop, federal agent, Secret Service somebody that is overseeing their security and off-the-field stuff.

So if you, let's say you get your accounts hacked or let's say there is somebody showing up at your house or there's some like there's always somebody in an NFL program that you are to go to and then they know the people to get a hold of and kind of take care of the whole situation I never I was very lucky I never had to do it I've seen teammates though that have had either something take place where it was a message or a letter or something hacked or stolen or a situation arise and they go and then that person knows somebody and they take care of it the way this one read was that the secret service member who former secret service member who's now the head of the Houston Texans security like handed him NDAs to use.

It was like in his locker the next day or something after they helped set up like I guess what the hotel rooms for it. That was the weird thing. Yeah, I don't know how. And if Deshaun nor the Texans spoke to Jenny, I don't know how you would find out what happened on that end. So I'm not. The fact that the Texans I guess gave it to him would be weird. Like NDAs, I don't know how you would find out what happened on that end. So I'm not. The fact that the Texans, I guess, gave it to him would be weird.

Like NDAs, I don't know. Lawyers should. People use NDAs for whatever. Like if someone, let's say, I don't know, Tom Brady has someone clean his house. I would imagine he probably has that person sign an NDA. That's normal, I think, when it's big-time, high-profile people and people are around their family or whatever it may be. But the fact that the team is involved, that's what makes it weird.

Yeah, because normally you'd go to, like, I think your lawyers or – Well, yeah. Like, Freeney, the guys in Geese who are helping Freeney and his ankle who are in the building, wouldn't they also have to? Because if they saw, like, a play or something, then they told the other team. I don't know. I was not a part of seeing the Geese sign an NDA. I think it's going to be tough to get those guys in Geeseese to sign anything they know their signature they usually don't come in like but

did they come in and treat him in the colts facility uh it was in our hotel yeah but not like in the training room i think it was in the hallway okay yeah i mean that's at least in green bay like there wasn't outside people didn't come in and treat us that weren't affiliated with the packers that didn't happen in our training room at the Colts either. That was at the Superbowl and hotel and we're down there. So in the coach training facility, I'm not sure how often an NDA is just out there. That was set up by Dwight though, not by the Colts, right? Yes. And I wonder like if Deshaun asked them for a copy of what an NDA looks like, you know, and they give it to, cause they feel, they could have had no idea.

Maybe they knew this was going on, but I don't think any of us could have expected a starting quarterback in the NFL to do, like them acting like the Texans were trying to help him in this entire thing in the article, which by the way, she has done a lot more research than any of us, but just as somebody that's been in a building, that would have been, I think that would have been tough to happen to happen follow up why do you want to be traded from them i mean i don't know i have no clue you know like i don't so i guess there's and is it normal like i don't know someone

would have to tell us is it common for people to get ndas uh like when they get a massage to have the masseuse sign it? I don't know. I don't know. I've never heard of it, but who knows? Me neither. Well, I feel like, too, in a lot of situations, you're not getting 66 different masseuses like you have your one guy. It's alleged, by the way.

Allegedly. You don't. How do they find that number? How does anyone know? I think she did a lot of investigating. Yeah. Like, how would Deshaun know? Like, I guess they could go through all of his phone records, right?

That's the only way? I mean, this started so long ago that an article like this feels like probably the beginning of it was probably like last year this time even longer had to be so much investigation so much but if nobody from deshaun's team or houston talked to her i don't know how they would know why or how he got the nda from the texans would because there's an easy way to could talk to one of the accusers that was presented to the NDA, I'm guessing, right? Yeah, had a copy of it.

But alluding that the Texans knew what was going on and gave him because of that, that's a big accusation, you know what I mean? Yeah. Because he could have very easily said, hey, what does a copy of an NDA look like? Like just saying, oh, could you... Because remember, I think we all thought Deshaun was like... And then the way he talked in a press conference very easily said hey what does a copy of an NDA look like like just saying like oh could you because

remember I think we all thought Deshaun was like and then the way he talked in a press conference was like my mama I was raised by my mama my grandmama like I like he told the team about some Instagram posts and this is from his deposition. And after he told them about talking to some folks on Instagram, they arrived and presented him the NDA. What was the conversation on Instagram about? Massages. Well, and to your point, like him saying that stuff. Also, when the criminal jury didn't indict him, when we heard that they would indict a ham sandwich it was like oh okay then that is also another thing that kind of led us down the path that maybe this wasn't completely him and then it feels like the last two weeks has been a complete turn yeah i have i feel like i am

very much a let's uh you know everything's a ledge everything's a ledge everything's a ledge because i've seen with close friends of mine teammates teammates of mine, other guys on other teams, things happen in the past where it's alleged. It turns out not being the case or it is alleged. It turns out being worse than what was being alleged. I mean, there is so much that can happen. So I've tried to remain as, you know, because these are very serious every single time.

We would like justice to be served to the maximum degree. Because these are terrible things that are being accused. If he did it, we would like maximum punishment. If he did it, also would like that are being accused if he did it we would like maximum punishment if he did it also would like that to be covered if that potentially happens and then the non-indictments happen two of them it's like well okay so maybe the alleged thing is is just that but for me it's been hard over these last couple weeks especially with the new york times and the clips and that have been pulled out it's hard not to be like this dude's preying on people man like hey this is not good for the been pulled out. It's hard not to be like, this dude's preying on people, man. Like, Hey,

this is not good for the NFL at all. It's hard not to think like that, even though they are allegations, it's terrible for the league and everybody that's ever played in it. Oh, it's awful. The whole situation. I think, I mean, this is the first time I feel like they're dealing with something like this, such a unique deal. It's just a massive, it's the number of accusations I think that people struggle with like that. Many people coming together, all saying something.

Who knows what the truth is? But when there's 20-something, 20-plus, people are like, all right, I don't know. This is weird. Seems to be a trend here. Unless this is the most elaborate rouge in the history of this sort of thing, there seems to be quite a trend happening. The hotel as well. It seems like the team had a

standing room at the hotel it wasn't in the sean's name it was in a team trainer's name so he would go use that space at the hotel it was like reserved for team yeah but he might he might use that person's name to get a room and not use his name you know like we don't know why or how we don't know if the team just had this room. He might have the team have the room there. Like I said, I'm saying, even if it's,

if it was for mold, is it for anyone on the team to use? Like they would never, why would they liability wise? Why would they do that? I know a lot of humans who have stayed in hotel rooms, not under their names, believe it or not. Yeah.

They put them in fake names when the team's on the road too. Oh yeah. But not just in one year with the team. Like I know a lot of guys, whenever they're traveling personally, they are in completely different names. So maybe this could be. Now, what I'm saying, though, is just accusing the team of being a part of this

is a massive, alleged, this is a massive accusation, big deal, massive deal. But this all could be just Deshaun, who we're learning a lot about, kind of, you know, manipulating everything. He said in a deposition that he did not think the team was aware of the massage appointments at the hotel. He said, quote, unquote, not that I know of. So why was the room there? If the team, well, then maybe just, yeah,

the team didn't set the room up with the trainer. He could have very easily just set it up under that person's name. Or asked him. Couldn't he ask him? He wants the team to know that? He's getting 66 massages? Verbatim from the article. Watson acknowledged in a deposition that the Texans arranged for him to

have a quote-unquote place at the Houstonian. That's the hotel. He used the fitness club. He dined there and also set up massages in the hotel rooms. They weren't aware of the massage appointments at the hotel, quote, unquote, that I know of, Watson said. Part for family and people coming in town for games, I guess. So he probably negotiated that, by the way, into his deal. I'd assume that was part of the negotiation into his deal.

And if we know anything about his representation, I mean, they're going to get good deals. if we know anything about his representation, I mean, they're going to get good deals. But I just think if the Texans were in this, that's a, hey. Is this the first time, this the first accusations that the Texans were kind of at least had somewhat, some kind of knowledge? It sounds like it, right? I don't know. To my knowledge, yeah.

This is the first time a team has been, like, implicated in any fashion. Well, and, like, this is going on with them, and then you look at what's going on with Gruden. It feels like the Texans aren't going to be the only team. It feels like a lot of stuff is going to come out about Gruden and shit. And then Snyder and Roger Goodell are the House Oversight Committee. There's definitely going to be questions about Deshaun Watson too. Roger Goodell, when he's in there answering questions

at the House Oversight Committee. Sounds like the Texans have a lot of plausible deniability, though, don't they? Like, I don't think, and with the way that relationship ended, like, I don't think they're going to be going down with Deshaun, you know? It's like, from that, it sounds like they weren't necessarily,

or at least they didn't necessarily know what was going on, so it's like... You know what my crazy thing is? He slept soundly after all of this it sounds if this happened allegedly this did he just think he was on like i don't know untouchable goes from being you know the king even going about his business now it's got to be just weird awkward he obviously is out and about in cleveland has goes to the gas station, goes to the store. I don't know. How is that?

What's it like when he goes out in Cleveland? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. I say fuck you to somebody. It'll keep me up at night thinking about it. That's a little rude. That's probably going to ruin our career here.

Probably going to take quite a hit here for this, even though that person deserved it. Like Ant Slant, after I chewed out ant slant you know we got to learn a little bit about 19 year old fraud theft thief but he'll be better from this and go on he's an incredible hustler a great worker he'll be able to make it but at night i thought about that for a long time i was like probably too hard on ant slant probably too hard on that guy. But that kept me up. I couldn't even imagine 66 different situations in 17 months that you just, you know what had happened in there. And then just be like, yeah, well, fuck it.

That's life. I'm going to throw some footballs around. I don't understand how you do it. That's crazy to me. That's another step of like, hey, this human potentially is a. Big time narcissist. Big, big, big, big big big big it's all alleged though we got to remember that and when will we know the truth aj i have no idea

i mean i think you can kind of make connection if he gets suspended for a full year in july i mean it sounds like that's what's coming yeah it sounds like a year suspension that's kind of that's the death blow, right? I mean, it's like... It almost seems like... Strap him up, Baker. Well, he's been excused from the Browns' mandatory minicamp. Baker Mayfield has been excused. And Brady Quinn had a question of how you were wording that particular tweet.

Was he excused or exiled? Brady Quinn says to Tenny, grassy, paisan who covers the Cleveland Browns. Baker Mayfield is not at mandatory minicamp in Cleveland. Jimmy G is not at mandatory minicamp in San Francisco. Kenny Moore is not at mandatory minicamp in Indianapolis Indiana we will keep an eye on those situations Darius Leonard and I chit-chatted about uh the surgery that he had on his back

just yesterday and obviously the immediate reaction upon learning about it live on air is one of oh no this guy has a back surgery he's the best player on our team might be one of the best players in the entire and if not might be one of the best players in the entire nfl this guy's an absolute dog and he had an ankle injury and then now he's getting back surgery and they said he'll be back by the regular season you almost i almost i mean you almost saw me puke on air like oh no this is not good everything's supposed to go much differently then he tweeted me and said it's great news honestly honestly, bro. Give me a call and I'll give you the info on it.

I chatted with him afterwards. So I believe what had happened was, you see, he had a ankle functioning issue, not injury issue, ankle functioning issue that had been lingering and they could not figure out what it was. So they did an ankle surgery. They thought it was an ankle problem. Turns out they learned and found out through scans and tests and multiple different eyes and doctors, he had a nerve in his back that

was somehow pinched or infringing upon it that was affecting his ankle. So the reason why this is good news is because they found out what the fuck was going on with his ankle. So this surgery should actually make him a much better athlete, better player, and his body better on the other side of it. Now, there's no such thing as minor neck or minor back surgery. Like, surgery is a big deal, especially whenever you're talking about a very vital part of the body that is, you know, crucial to tackling and everything that Darius Leonard does but he said his body's feeling better

than ever the surgery he'll be back better than ever and this is a good thing not a bad thing because they're finding they finally found out what the hell was the problem for like a year and a half now or so so I mean I think you and everybody else should feel a lot better about this whole situation that not only yeah man that, that had to be annoying for him and frustrating throughout the whole process, not figuring out, hey, what's going on here? Why is my ankle not feeling better? What's happening? And then all of a sudden, it's probably freed him up.

He probably feels like a new person. Yeah, it wasn't an injury. I was told it wasn't like a pain thing. It was a function thing. It was like he couldn't really – You can get like drop foot and stuff. I know that. Yeah, it was like Achilles.

I tried to ask like how when Achilles goes, like you can't control it. He's like, yeah, basically like couldn't control the foot or whatever through his ankle. So, I mean, that was – he almost won defense player of the year with that. Yeah. So, I mean, let's go ahead and Colts are all the way back. You're fucking scared? You should be.

Scared? You should be. Lions stink. Who cares? So do the Bears. The Packers. See you down the road. Yeah, we will see you down the road.

All right, we're out of here. What a show. What a day. This place got range. We're deep. Hammer Don will come on after this at youtube.com forward slash hammer. Don. Don.

Make sure you get into our 50K Same Game Parlay holiday where $100,000 in free bets will be given out, but $50,000 in free bets will be given to one winner named Pat McAfee. Well, I don't think. Yep. I don't know. AJ, any final thoughts on this day? AJ, you'll be able to get in on the January 2nd one.

Yeah. Yeah, once January 2nd hits and I'm able to be on FanDuel, it'll be fun because you won't have a chance in these same game parlays. Parlay is kind of under my specialty, so I'm looking forward to it. Alright, well, good luck. You might be able to win the next one. I'm winning this one. Good luck to everybody for second place. Talking to you, Ty.

Good luck. Hope you enjoyed one. You're going to need it. You watched all that baseball. You guys studied all those lines. You had the entire page of notes toned in. Look at that thing. That's the all those lines. You had that entire page of notes, tone dicks. Look at that thing. That's the amount of research this guy

did for this parlay. I haven't seen one swing of the bat, one crack of the baseball. That means you'll have an advantage over me. Bingo. I don't know

who any of these people are that I'm betting on, but Joey Gallo needs to fucking do this thing. Good luck. Joey Gallo, the impractical joker?

Yeah. Joe Gallo. He fucking stinks. I honestly would maybe rather have that Joe Gallo or Gatto or whatever the fuck his name is in the outfield for the Yankees than Joey Gallo. But, hey, he might get a hit today. Crazy Joe Gallo is a gangster.

Really? Yeah. He'd get a hit. He has a lot of hits. Get it? Talk about killing people. All right. Which is how the show started.

And I guess how the show went. That's right. Let's just make sure that whenever we're attacking people, it's not just sports people. This is just like when Notre Dame won that football game over Clemson and the football fans charged the field. It was a massive conversation look at the athletics look at the sports idiots they don't care about anything at that exact time exact day there was multiple

gatherings for i don't recall the exact thing with hundreds of thousands of people around each other praise heralded this is awesome. Notre Dame football fans go on the field. These guys are going to kill the world. I just don't like that sports are always the thing that are attacked when everybody else seems to be doing the same thing. I don't appreciate it. I enjoy sports. I think it's a nice getaway.

And there is going to be some shit that people don't love going forward. Let's go ahead and do our best to get rid of it. All right, AJ. Way to close it out. Someone's got to stand up for the athletes, right? Yeah, well, it's just... I mean, then somebody's going to attack us for even

saying, oh yeah, the athletes go so hard, play a kid's game, get paid a lot of money. It's like, well, there's no reason for them not to be treated like humans, though. Kenny Beecham was awesome. Andrew Brandt was fantastic. He gave me a lot of arsenal for the future salary caps of Fugazi conversationation. Billy Ho, amazing from the fishing boat. We appreciate

the hell out of him. And to all of you, we'll see you manana. Winter Wednesday, do we make the announcements? Yes, sign up there. Okay, sweet. Congrats, everybody. We'll have more giveaways. I hope you win next time. If you did not, if you did win, congrats. Enjoy the hell out of it. We'll see you guys tomorrow bye I am good. Thank you. Thank you.