The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 690 - Chaos From The House Oversight Committee On The Washington Commanders Work Place Culture, Tom Pelissero, Kevin Weekes, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about the side show that was the House Oversight Committee's hearing on the Washington Commanders work place culture, if that's politics in general, and what it all means. Joining the show to parse through everything that was said in the House Oversight Meeting and whether we'll ever get any real answers from the whole situation is the Neuralink, NFL Insider for the NFL Network, Tom Pelissero (17:02-48:02). Later, 13 year NHL veteran at Goalie, NHL Insider for NHL Network and ESPN, Kevin "Weekesy" Weekes joins the progrum to chat about tonight's Stanley Cup Finals Game 4, what we can expect, when a goalie knows whether or not he has it, how the ice conditions are in Tampa compared to Colorado, who he likes in tonight's game and ultimately the series, and he gives the boys a nice little tour of Amalie Arena (1:08:06-1:25:14). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Wednesday, June 22nd, 2022, and this sports show shall be a pretty good one. That's right. That's right. Let's ride into this sports talk because today there's a lot of litigation. There's memos, there's lawsuits, there's new deals, there's old deals. There's BS. There's drama. And today is going to be absolutely packed. The Neuralink. The Arrow. Tom Pellicero will be joining us in about 17 minutes to give us an update on everything that is currently happening in the House Oversight Committee trial of Roger Goodell, who's on a Zoom call right now. We have not watched a lot of these oversight committees.

I will say C-SPAN is by far the worst production in the history of anything. There are high school production companies that could do vastly better job than whoever's running C-SPAN because we watched for the UFO conversation. We couldn't hear any of the things that were being said or see any of the things that were being said.

Today, they had Roger Goodell swearing in which would have been a good clip for us all to see him doing the whole ha-ha-ha thing right-ha thing, the right hand up on the Bible. Wouldn't cut to it. They finally cut to him. They got his name tag right over his entire face on the screen. Nonetheless, Roger Goodell is currently answering questions from quite a conflicted group of people in a committee. Yeah.

I will say some of the people in the House Oversight Committee are not exactly thrilled to be doing this on this particular day with everything else going on in the world. And I think a lot of people obviously have some empathy for that notion. And then there's other people on that House Oversight Committee who are not fucking happy with what Dan Snyder's been up to for the last 20 years. I will say it does feel like Dan Snyder's about fucking dead because there has been some admission of guilt almost both from the NFL and Goodell, in certain different papers that were put out there. It feels like Dan Snyder is on his way out.

But that has been said no less than 30 times in the past. Dan Snyder is the consummate cockroach. He will survive. I think this one's going to be very difficult. We'll talk to Tom Pellicero about this monumental overhouse committee, oversight committee. Oversight. See, I don't even know this shit. House oversight.

Nothing's going to happen in there. The committee is fighting with each other more than they're fighting with Goodell or whatever. Classic government right in front of our eyes here. So we'll ask Tom about what's going to take place, how this is going to go. And if Dan Sutter was to be pushed out, how quickly does that happen? And when does the new ownership step in? And what has the NFL done to make sure that type of shit doesn't happen again in the future? I think that's a big question from the people in that oversight committee that are, you know, they want to get into the nuts and bolts of this.

Oh, yeah. Roger Goodell said they turned over like 460,000 things. Pages of documents, yeah. That's a lot. A lot. Because the way those be painted is they didn't turn over anything like 460,000 things. Pages of documents, yeah. That's a lot. A lot. Because the way those be painted is they didn't turn over anything. 460,000 documents. Now, who knows what size font that is?

Is that double spacing? You know, is what's real what isn't? But I'm learning a little bit. Tom Pellicer will hopefully teach us more. We'll talk about that in about 16 minutes, 14 minutes or so. Kevin Weeksey, former NHL goalie, will join us in a second. We're going to talk about tonight's Game 4 of the Lord of Stanley Cup Championship Final.

The Tampa Bay Lightning, who looked dead in Colorado, came all the way back last game. Will that be something that will continue to happen? We shall talk to Weeksey about. A.J. Hawk's back after another vacation. Whoa, wow. Really? I didn't expect that.

The old Tuesday vacation. Yeah. That's what he does. Can't wait to chat with him in the second hour. And then maybe your phone calls on the 5 Energy phone line, 1-833-4-MAC-A-FEE, this hour, next hour, or the one after that. There's, you know, a lot of shit to talk about. Not a lot of it's positive.

But, hey, this is the offseason of the NFL. The talk table is here. At Ty Schmidt, at Boston Connor. One half of the hammer. Done. Cowboys. Tony Diggs is here. Tony, beard looks good.

Thank you. Just got cleaned up today. I appreciate that. Hey, shout out to the back porch barber, J.C., coming through is here. Tony, beard looks good. Thank you. Just got cleaned up today. I appreciate that. Hey, shout out to the back porch barber, JC, coming through, doing his work, doing his magic. Ty, I think you are deemed the smartest in this operation because you got accepted into Harvard. So what you were able to accomplish from the ages of 13 to 17 and 18 will warrant you being the smartest person in this group for the rest of your life okay it's a badge of honor is that what the fucking government always is the ufo thing nothing no didn't tell us anything nope now goodell's sitting there and it's still going on

right now but it seemed like there was a lot of fighting with at one point dr fox with two x's yep virginia virginia fox who i believe has been I mean, this is just judging from BookBud's cover. She's been in power for no less than 70 years. Yes, a long time. Jenny plays no games. What's that? Nickname short for Virginia is Jenny. Okay, Jenny Fox.

Dr. Jenny Fox plays no games. She asked Goodell at one point, do you think what we're doing right now is a proper use of taxpayer money? And Goodell goes, are you talking to me? Are you talking to me? And yes, sir, Goodell, I am talking to you, Goodell.

He goes, I don't know if I'm in a position to tell you what you should be spending your time on or not on. And then Rep Donald from Florida let the entire thing off. Madam Speaker, I'd like some time. position to tell you what you should be spending your time on or not on and then rep donald from florida let the entire thing off uh madam speaker i'd like some time uh okay time is warranted to blah blah blah with inflation oil price uh border crisis uh drugs that are killing everybody why are we spending time on the fucking nfl now? That was how this thing started. Hammer, hammer,

hammer. I would just like to know, what the fuck are we doing here? So then Carolyn, who's the head of this thing, who had a 24-year-old with a mask on next to her, who was very much pumping into this. Hit the gavel, hit the gavel.

Hit the gavel, hit the gavel. Tell him he is out of line, out of line, out of line. You the guy to tell him he is out of line out of line out of line you're out of line you're out of line you're out of line and then boom they go to somebody else what is this all about why are we even here well remember this in january yeah we will there's inside jokes happening now in this thing what a shit show that is if you're another country watching that you have to think oh america's just one big clusterfuck over there. Yeah. Why is it like that? And is that how it's always been since you got into Harvard?

I just assume you know. See, I don't know if it's always been like that. And to your point, too, I mean, no one is watching C-SPAN. But I do remember from just like the steroids, like the baseball hearings and stuff like that, it feels like when you used to see it, it was much less adversarial. like that it feels like when you used to see it it was much less adversarial like they were actually there till it's like all the fire was going at whoever was was in the hearing and who was kind of standing up for whatever had happened now they just can't wait to pick each other apart you know i mean because like you said that's not hyperbole you're not being you know what i said is what they

said four consecutive people in a row again i'd just like to reiterate what Councilman Fox just said. They did it four consecutive times in a row. And Goodell's sitting in a Zoom. Are you talking to me? Me? Yeah. I'm going to stay out of that. That's probably smart, Goodell.

Hey, we should have stayed out of this too with this tax. It was wild to me. They're not going to get any answers. I think the only thing we do know is that they left an open seat for Dan Snyder. It was very nice of them to do that, even with a name tag, which Rep Donald from Florida even brought. You have his fucking name tag here. He said he wasn't going to come like a week ago. This is all for performance and blah, blah, blah, which is all politics is nowadays, right?

Everything's bullshit. How come the people, and this is us diving into a world that we don't know enough about so fuck off i'm gonna do it for the next four minutes or so it feels like there's always people that are you know uh advocates or speakers for political movements like hey this is what should happen this is what should happen this is what's happening this is what should happen those people okay always have been around. So then people get voted into positions to make change, and they think they're these people.

Like, hey, no, these people are talking about what y'all motherfuckers need to do. These people that actually get voted in don't understand that, hey, you're the ones that are supposed to be doing the change, not talking about the change. Like, I think there has to be two separated, like, things, you know? This would be like if a GM gets in there and talks about what his team should do, like what the pundits do about a team.

Like, that team needs to get this, that team needs to get this. And then a GM comes out and says, you know, it would be nice if we got, well, it's fucking your job. Like, that is what you do. I don't understand how this is what politics has gotten to. Once again, I don't know shit about fuck about that world,

but it feels like everybody is a political pundit, even the people that are in politics, who, who hey they're doing a punditry about you you're not supposed to do what they you're supposed to change the shit and it feels like everything we dabble with it's all bullshit and everybody is just talking about what should happen when the people that are in there to do stuff don't do jack squat i how is this what we have got i i understand why people get into politics by the way because i know nothing about that world i understand that everybody's pissed off and everybody for everything and everybody's a better person than the other people are but

watching that is infuriating if you are a human that has a brain at all and be like how is this our country's best fucking offer here and it's not it's clearly not it's all of them it started with the representative from from kentucky and they all basically everyone's just been like what the fuck are we doing here we got all these things going on in the country why are we investigating the washington commanders right now yeah it's a private entity that a couple people say it's a private business another private business why are we doing that but they knew they were doing it so how do we even get to the point knew they were doing it so how do we even get to the point that they're doing it didn't somebody have the thing couldn't all these

conversations that happened that was beforehand oh yeah like why are behind the behind closed doors convos happening publicly it's because everybody just wants clout right yeah i think i mean so like this party wants clout because they want to be the one that investigated the toxic workplace and we care about people more than anybody else and then clearly the republicans are like nah we're wasting our time doing this there's much bigger problems that we should be looking into that actually affect the world as opposed to just what's going on in the nfl and they both think they're 100 right and they're going to get to absolutely nowhere other than the fact that dan sider is fucking dead long before this committee even came together today and i would assume roger goodell knew exactly what he

was getting into roger goodell comes from a judge family he has been around i think his dad was a politician a lot of people said uh uh somebody wrote roger goodell's opening statement prepared statement he's just gonna read it roger goodell wrote that fucking thing he is the lawyer that wrote that statement that's what he is he could go and i wish he was live in person because i know he's in a zoom call or whatever he was in person though the way he would have just played that room would have been next level we'll talk to tom post or i guess about in seven minutes it's that was a shit show well and to your point like even the fucking shit show you didn't even the people who don't want to be there still understand like oh i'm gonna cut a good promo right here because like any average one of these like we're not

talking about it but it's the nfl so like there are a lot more eyes on it so guys can actually cut promos and i think it just like we say it every election cycle but the parties are so far apart every single time like every year it gets worse and worse so like how are they going to get anything done ever yeah it just you know like one side thinks they're in the right they won't budge the other side thinks they're in the right they won't budge but then the people who you know who don't think we should be doing this are still like oh i'm gonna take five minutes and cut a great fucking promo that my party's gonna love well not only my party but also my constituents are gonna feel empowered it's just that was a mockery of anything right there we're not that not that there was anything that happened bad we are not saying that yeah that was a mockery of anything right there. Not that there was anything that happened bad.

We are not saying that. That was a complete mockery. And what's coming about 2009, about Daniel Snyder and what happened with a cover-up and an investigation and a dossier and a private ghost investigation that they hired from within and then tried to sue the person that was doing it. And Roger Goodell came out and said unprecedented $10 million fine

was waged against Dan Snyder. Did we know that? I think so. I didn't remember that. I don't remember that. That was 2009. I was a rookie, so I don't know if I would have looked into it or not. But these types of things have happened to Dan Snyder.

I don't know how this fucking guy has survived at all. Best league in the world, profits only going like this. All eyes on this league every rich human now is looking to buy a team i don't know how this guy has survived i have no idea how he's june 2nd and it came out in all these headlines uh that they were fined 10 million the washington football team 10 june 2nd of this year um but that's 13 years yeah right the one representative also uh just asked uh goodell why dave portnoy is banned from nfl games great question excited we're gonna get an answer for that did goodell he said he's not aware of that issue the good old answer no he said i'm not aware

of that issue see that is what are they doing listen if pres gets back into some games congratulations i'm happy something happened out of this. But how is that, to a lot of the people's points, how is that what's going on right now with people that are elected officials? Isn't there some war still going on? Oh, yeah. Big war going on. Isn't there deals being made now with terrible countries for oil?

Yeah, probably. Isn't there inflation at an all-time high where people were given money to do stuff and all of a sudden guess what, that money is now to survive and that's probably going to go away. That's probably going to go away. The market is probably going to do the same thing. I feel like a lot of people are on that side. That's why a lot of those people on that committee decided to do it.

But the fact that this even took place is the problem with everything, right? If you're going to do it, let's at least get something out of it as opposed to a bunch of bullshit. It's broken. Feels like the system's broken. And I think they did subpoena Dan Snyder, right?

Yeah. So it's like, why didn't you fucking do that last week and get him here today so that he had to be there? He's in France right now. On his boat. On his yacht. On a resort. Near a resort.

Who said that? One of the reps? The main woman, I believe. Yeah. U.S. Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, who is the head of this oversight committee. Yeah, she is.

She's a Democrat from New York. She wielded the gavel. Yes. Apparently, Mr. Schneider is in France where he has docked his luxury yacht near a resort town. That should tell you just how much respect he has for women in the workplace.

That's right. That's right. I'll tell you what. There respect he has for women in the workplace that's right that's why i'll tell you what there's some alarming stuff coming out though yeah 13 years it took for us to hear about that which you know would be nice to hear how that was covered up for so long how come nobody knew about it with all the fans investigations insiders how do we not find out until june and how has this guy kept his job? How has this guy kept his position as an owner? Those are all great questions. Well, those get it. Yeah, none of those were asked.

Those questions were asked. I don't know how. They asked Goodell, and he just told them the $10 million fine and the other thing. But when Ty brings up the baseball, that's why we're not getting anything. Because when it was Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds and the guys who were in the report were there and they could ask some questions like this is all about snyder obviously goodell kind of is the king of the castle i think you're being a bit naive here if dan snyder was there if roger goodell was there these motherfuckers would still make it about themselves you don't think they dive into snyder these people would make it about literally everybody is just anytime

a microphone is in front of one of these, and this comes from limited knowledge, so I apologize. It just feels like a couple of, everything's a promo. Everything's a commercial. Everything is trying to get more votes so you can stick around forever and do absolutely nothing for the rest of your life and still get paid for it. It feels like that is what politics is now. Yes.

And they just said they wanted the report out, and then Goodell said they didn't, and then one of the ladies who was in the report said that they would redact their names. Is that what's going to happen as well? So Roger Goodell said, and we'll talk to Tom Pellicer in like two minutes. Roger Goodell said that the reason why they didn't put out the entire report is because some of the people that cooperated for their report did not want anybody to know their names. So for their privacy, they decided not to make it all public. Now, it was an oral breakdown of what the report was. It was never put onto paper.

And I'm sure that is certainly because he's a much better audio learner than a reader. I'm sure that is what Roger Goodell would say. But there's a lot of things that are like, well, that's fishy. That's fishy. Us not learning something for 13 years, that's fishy. How does that happen? All those answers could get answered today. And they won't.

They won't, no. Then we'll go on tomorrow. There'll be something else that everybody's pissed off about. And they'll tell the politicians you should do something. And the politicians will be like, yeah, what they said. We should do something. That's a great idea. Yeah, yeah.

And then another thing will come. It won't. It won't happen. And another thing will come. Hey, you guys should do something. Yeah. Good idea. That's what I And then another thing will come. It won't. It won't happen. And another thing will come. Hey, you guys should do something. Yeah. Good idea. That's what I'm here for.

I'm going to do something. It won't. Next thing will happen. And then it's just a never anything. And then when campaigns come around, it's you should see how bad this person is and how great I am. Look what I'll do. They won't. And then it's just a continuous cycle.

Is that what politics is? It kind of seems like it. And then you just just a continuous cycle. Is that what politics is? Kind of seems like it. And then you just squeeze the congressional baseball game in there somewhere and then let them all have fun together. And outside of that, then the cycle continues. We are so fucked. Yeah. Aren't we?

Oh, yeah. There's a lot out there. I mean, we are fucked. Has been for a while, it feels like. Joining us now is a man who probably knows a lot more than we do. This guy can read a memo quicker than anybody. Yeah, he can. He reads memos so quick and puts them out onto the internet

that we actually believe that he potentially is hooked up to a neural link in the back of his head where they just feed information into his brain so that he doesn't even have to read. It just goes right out. We don't know if he can read three, four lines at a time or if it literally is just uploaded into his brain immediately upon release. Joining us now, the arrow that is always pointing up from the NFL Network, Tom Pellicero.

Yes. What's up, boys? Hey, I've never in my life had a more perfect day to chat with Tom Pellicero than today. You hear me? Today is the Neuralink's day. Today's a big perfect day to chat with Tom Pellicero than today. You hear me? Today is the Neuralink's day. Today's a big memo day, isn't it? Today's a big memo day, Tom. Feels like we've got a lot of things going on right now

that have very little to do with actual football. So, yes, to the extent that that's my wheelhouse, I'm active today. I think we've got to take Neuralink out, shake it, blow on it, and plug it back in, get you a little bit more clear. It's probably our end, not yours. Can you take the AirPods off? Can I take them off? Yeah. Speak.

Can you hear us? Oh, no. Hey, we'll call you back, Tom. We'll call you back. The NFL Network guys and their AirPods. Happens with rap. Yeah, because I think people tell you to do that so you cancel out all outside noise. But what happens on the other side is the AirPods are good for in-ear,

but the speaker stinks. Yeah, it's terrible. So the speaker pops and blows out without thinking, because they're not thinking that when they're making the AirPods. No. They're saying, hey, we'll cancel out all the noise. The sound will be good. But you trying to talk to the other way, not going to be good.

And that's not how Steve Jobs would have had it. No, no, no. That was not his vision. But that's the modern Apple. Welcome to the modern world. He has the AirPods back in, you said? Tom Pellissero, what's going on, pal? Do you want him in or out?

Out! It didn't work. Out, Tom! Listen, did you hear that thing? Jeez! God, Tom. Out, Tom. Listen, did you hear that thing? Jeez. Tom, out, Tom. Alright. There we go.

You sound good, Tom. We apologize. I understand what you're trying to do to cancel out all outside noise and everything like that, but the AirPod speakers aren't good enough to handle how great your voice is. It pops. It does things like that. And we'd like to hear the arrow, Tom Palicero, on this monumental day for the NFL. Roger Goodell, House Oversight Committee.

Now, we're all given his opening remarks or whatever. He repeated word for word there. And then there was a big battle in the Oversight Committee about whether or not they should even be doing this. Is there going to come anything from this? And how come it took 13 years for us to find out about the 2009 Dan Snyder $10 million fine and everything like that? That seems to be a bit fishy. And is that what Goodell is going to have to answer for most in this entire thing?

Well, the $10 million fine was just a couple of years ago, but it was with regard to a variety of different conduct issues and allegations that had arisen that were part of the Beth Wilkinson investigation that had taken place and led to an oral report that was given to the commissioner, but not a written report, which is where a lot of the angst from some of the various women who had had different accusations against members of the organization, including Snyder himself, that had been a point of frustration. That is a big part of the driving reason that we are having the congressional hearing today. You know, what's come out since then have been multiple women accusing Daniel Snyder himself of sexual harassment.

And in the case of the allegation that came out in the Washington Post story last night in 2009 of sexual assault. And these are team employees or former team employees making serious allegations. Mary Jo White has been investigating the allegation made by Ms. Johnston that came out about a year or so ago. Now you have an additional allegation. You would certainly imagine, because there was a settlement and there was money exchange, that the NFL would be aware of that at this point. Mary Jo White would be aware of that. But this is just all part of the pattern of, frankly, embarrassment that the commander's organization has produced for the NFL.

Now, to the extent that Roger Goodell in his statement makes a point of saying, yes, it was unacceptable, there was unacceptable, there was bullying, there was harassment, but the organization now bears little resemblance to that in terms of a culture. It certainly stopped short of indicating that the NFL is aggressively going to push for Daniel Sider to lose the team or additional sanctions. But again, that's all subject to the additional investigation that's still ongoing by Mary Jo White. And when we get the results of that, she's also investigating Stephen Ross and the Dolphins

right now. Whenever those come to light, there will be, I'm sure, more debate about the findings and what should be done about it. Tom, we appreciate you breaking things down to make it easier for us to understand. We appreciate your information. How come Dan Snynyder he's just cockroach huh this guy like it just seems like you know when the washington post first couple exposes came out back to back boom what was that last year maybe yeah two years ago it came out

it was the narrative coming from the daniel snyder camp is oh this is somebody like bezos wants me out so he can buy the team. That was kind of the narrative I feel that was being pushed. Oh, this is a hit. This is an attack on Dan Snyder. They're trying to cancel us. Then now, even as Roger Goodell spoke about how terrible it was and how bad everything, it feels like this has just

been one of the worst places to work in the world for like underneath Dan Snyder's leadership for so long what would somebody have to do to get kicked out of the biggest league on earth the best league on earth an absolute cash cow forever the NFL what would somebody have to do if this wasn't it and how much are the stories that we have heard have been wrong I don't think any of them right everything we have heard has basically been accurate on on that type of. And how does he stick around so long? He must just have

dirt on everybody. Is that what it is? Well, the memo from the House Oversight Committee backs up a lot of the reporting that has been done and additionally adds about the shadow investigation that the committee says Dan Snyder was running, building dossiers on the reporters from the Washington Post and elsewhere, getting their private phone records and their social media activity and everything else. It's difficult. It is possible. The owners have the right that they can remove an owner. But think about it this way. There's 32 of those franchises that are available, which means you have 32 people ultimately controlling who is going to end up in those seats. And there are checks and balances, even though teams can be sold. They still have to be approved. There's various channels by which they're approved at a league level.

Obviously, the membership eventually has to approve as well. eventually has to approve as well. But when you have owners who are ensnared in whatever the allegations might be, and certainly there have been a number of them in recent years who have been accused of various things not identical to what Daniel Snyder has been accused of, at least in terms of the breadth, but certainly other things. The moment you remove one owner, that opens the door to potentially, well, now what's the standard for removing other owners? Got it. And so I think that there's a natural element of protection within the group. But let's make no mistake here.

There are plenty of people within the league who are embarrassed by just the nonstop stuff, the reports and the allegations and everything else surrounding the commanders. I mean, think about it. Just in the past year, okay, you have a number of women, cheerleaders, talking about Daniel Snyder had their pictures given to him. You have other former employees talking about being bullied and harassed on the job and in multiple cases sexually harassed directly or sexually assaulted by Daniel Snyder. You have on you have the John Gruden email scandal that involves Bruce Allen and the nexus of that and who leaked it.

That's an entire storyline on the field. You have players punching each other on the sideline. You have Jack Del Rio obviously getting fined $100,000 recently for comments that he made that Ron Rivera said were a distraction to the team. It just seems like there's always something going on. And you can certainly say, well, these are all different people. These are all different areas. Daniel Snyder, according to Roger Goodell, to the best of his knowledge, is not involved in the day-to-day right now. But it still all comes under Dan Snyder's leadership. And for two decades, there have been sort of one thing after another. It all seems to be coming to a head here in a way that

is unusual within NFL ownership. And depending in particular on what comes of the allegations of sexual assault, that certainly will be one of the guiding forces in exactly what direction this goes from here. I can see how the other business people who are in business together would say, well, if we set a precedent of getting rid of one over one owner, that could be you, you or me or something happens. And somebody in the room is probably gonna be like, we can put a fucking Dan Snyder closet. Listen, this guy has done more than he could ever need to do to get run out of doing business with us, which leads me to this.

He's getting subpoenaed, I guess, next week out of his yacht in France next to a resort con as the gavel swinger representative Carolyn Maloney said. He's getting subpoenaed for next week. So he'll just plead the fifth in there? Will they fight each other the entire time like we watched today? And will they bring up all these cases plus the fact that he was allegedly running a separate book and not telling the rest of the NFL the amount of money he was making off of college games?

And is that a part of this whole thing as well? And to a lot of the people's point in there, what can the oversight committee do other than just bring attention to this publicly? Because I saw that was a lot of the reps in there said, what the fuck are we doing this for? We got a lot of other problems. Like that was a very real thing.

I don't know much about politics. That was a shit show in there. But is that going to get brought up to Dan Snyder as well? And will they make a ruling or what is the endgame for this entire thing? Well, first of all, Daniel Snyder's entire history is a very litigious one. I would anticipate that he would fight the subpoena like he has fought virtually everything else, including the league, including his own business partners, including other owners, on a variety of issues.

So it's not a slam dunk. There could be a procedure here that takes a little bit, but we'll see. Daniel Snyder had multiple opportunities. He turned them down to talk to the committee, saying that the timing was bad because he was in France, and also that they had not turned over the investigative info that he wanted to testify. So there's still some things that need to fall in place. To the point of what's actually going to come of this, there are multiple pieces of legislation that the chairwoman Maloney has put forward regarding harassment and retaliation in the

workplace. Those are significant societal issues that are not limited to the NFL. This feels like this is the touchstone by which she and the people on her side of the aisle would like to advance some of those issues. I also watched the same thing you did, Pat. I was kind of glad that you guys called me when you did, because the guy had just brought out bar graphs. And I feel like whenever you get to the bar graph portion of the hearing, like you're officially off the rails. Everybody's going to glaze over. I mean, I didn't think we would get it.

Listen, this is not a political statement. I have take sides on nothing here. I didn't think, though, we were going to get seven minutes of ranting about Joe Biden annihilating America before we even heard from the commissioner. Like, that was not on my bingo card. How about Dr. Fox? Hey, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom. not on my bingo card. How about Dr. Fox?

Hey, Tom. Tom. Hey, Tom. Tom. Tom. Yeah. How about Dr. Fox going, Mr. Goodall, do you think that this is a good use of taxpayers' money?

And Roger going, are you talking to me? Like, he did. Are you? And yes, sir. Well, I am not the person that should be indicating what you guys should be spending your time on or not time. It was like that was a shit show. There's a fair right. There's a fair point, I think, in general. And I cover the NFL. I don't cover the government.

But there's certainly a fair point of what should you be using at a time like this where a lot of stuff's messed up in the country? Where should you be using your resources as Congress? What should you be trying to have oversight over? Again, this is part of a macro issue that's really important. It's about the treatment of women. It's about harassment in the workplace. But yes, the back and forth, and the point I was going to make too, is this is just a point of scrutiny for me personally. If you're going to go on a rant about the First Amendment as a congressperson, you probably should be properly explaining what the First Amendment is. It is not about the guy from Barstool. It's not about Jack Del Rio, what he says publicly gets punished by his

employer. It literally says Congress cannot make laws restricting religion and the right to assembly and freedom of speech and freedom of the press. That's what it is. So grilling Roger Goodell about whether he believes in the First Amendment because somebody got fined for something they said by their private employer is the microcosm of what's wrong with every debate that we have in this country right now. the microcosm of what's wrong with every debate that we have in this country right now we can't even agree what the letter of the rules are that we are arguing about and it's just this we're talking that back and forth thing and this is a good example tom we're fucked i don't get into politics much um i try because i want to have a happy life you know like i would like to have a happy life i am not confident or comfortable in my knowledge to utilize my platform to tell people how they should think or how they should vote like i think a lot of people should

maybe take a little self-awareness on whether or not they're in a position to be telling other people how they should feel okay that is that whole thing but we let off with this it feels like as an outsider looking into the political world and us having to dive into it here and also the ufo here in a couple weeks had to dive into that there is you know people that yell about what needs to change right they uh what is that a political advocate a whatever a pundit pundit yeah a whatever the whatever like there's people that speak and rally for people in the political world then these politicians get voted in and they become those people as well and it's like no those motherfuckers are talking to you. You know, we don't need everybody to be a political pundit, especially if you're in politics, you're voted in to make the change.

I said this would be like a general manager going from TV saying, hey, this team needs that, this, this and this. And then a GM getting on TV and saying and saying well our team needs to do this this and well motherfucker you're the one making the decision it's like that is kind of i think the problem with all of this and follow up will anything come from dan snyder sitting there absolutely not right like we're not going to get anything from this entire thing and will the nfl ever let us know everything that's happening and how does everybody else view Dan Snyder with any respect at all at this point? Well, Daniel Snyder rarely speaks publicly. So having him in any type of a public speaking setting, much less one as contentious as what we saw today, and being asked about things like sexual harassment, sexual assault, would be compelling just to see how he would react.

Again, there's steps here in terms of the subpoena process, which he surely will fight, and whether he actually ends up sitting there and whether he says anything of substance. You know, in terms of what comes out of and what we end up finding out about the additional investigations, I think it's fair to say that the women who have gone public with their stories and have tried with some degree of success around a congressional hearing today to get the Beth Wilkinson report released, certainly have created an environment in which if the NFL does not put out the findings of Mary Jo White's investigation into what is now multiple allegations against Daniel Snyder himself, you know, there is going to be consequences for that publicly. So, you know, the NFL and Roger Goodell reiterated the point today, even though some of the women

have come forward, the NFL stance is, well, there's other people who spoke, including current team employees, who if we put the entire report with all the investigative findings out there, then those people would be easily identified. They could be retaliated against. I'm not saying that's the correct interpretation or the correct approach, but that's what the NFL has been saying. Does that change now that everything is pointing at one person with allegations that have already become public? We'll see, and that may take a little bit of time here to all roll out.

Rep Byron Donalds from Florida, he said, me personally, I'm a Cowboys fan. So if the product of the Commanders is not good on the field, that's great for me personally. Would love to keep Dan Snyder around. This is – why does it have to be this way, Tom? Representative Donalds is the same guy. Again, I don't follow this close enough.

I don't have C-SPAN on in my house, but this seemed to be his moment. He also was getting gaveled. Oh, yeah. He liked this thing off. You've got to yield your time. You've got to yield back. And he goes, ma'am, you can bang that gavel all you want. I don't really care.

That's what I feel like is what the founding fathers had in mind. This is what it's going to look like. I know what Parliament looks like in the UK, but, like, here? Like, I don't think that sports fans don't often, I don't often just click into these types of hearings, and then you do, and you're like, no wonder we're not getting anything done here. Yeah, that's exactly where we are.

I never did. But all those people judge the sports world. You know, they all think they're smarter than sports folks. Like, I've obviously accidentally ended up at a happy hour where some of these fucks are and these type of people are in the way they talk to like athletes and people that are in the world. Like we're the biggest idiots and dipshits on earth.

You fucking suck at your job. I don't know what your job is, but it's you suck at everybody over there. It is in the C-SPAN producer. Whoever's putting that TV together. That's like a junior high television broadcast, is it not? Well, this would be like, okay, so you got three-man boosts on TV, right? You got the play-by-play guy, who would be like the cheer woman here,

and then you got the two color analysts, and they'd be like the, all right, one person on each side of the aisle, right? But it would be like if they were watching the game, and on every play, they didn't disagree with like, oh, that was a good play, bad play, you should have done this. Like they disagreed with what just happened. It was like, boy, what a pass there by Brady, 15-yard gain. The other guy went, no, that's a four-yard loss. Look, it's right there.

I see it. That was every single play. That's where we are right now. Like that's not, again, it's not a political statement, but it's just like it's not productive, man, when you can't argue on the same set of facts. Tom, Tom. Opinions is different.

Facts is a whole other thing. Tom, today has really been an eye opener for me. You know, I have lived my life with blinders on away from that whole thing. Like I'm just going to bebop through life without it. I can see how people will watch that and think to themselves, there has to be better people than these motherfuckers and get into the political world but i believe if that it just seems like that's our system like that's just how it's going to go forever i guess what tom what'd you get did you get accepted where'd you go to school boston college oh yeah oh bc that's pretty good right they named the stadium after you too right i so i lasted one class in uh taking econ and then dropped out of my finance major to go to communications.

20 years later, here I am. So you're a communications major. No offense to you, but I think we could all get through a communications major. Disregard everything else I just said. I saw a picture of you from high school on Good Morning Football when my guy D-Butt was on there. You looked awesome, dude. I think that was college yeah the uh the one in my earring puka shell necklace uh spiky hair phase hell yeah that was uh that was something for the

ages there i believe that was one of those great off-season topics i know you love pat it was like what's the fashion statement that you regret and my answer was everything i did in college yeah i got i got so mad watching that show because, you know, D-Butt's our guy. And he is. His football knowledge is unbelievable. Also, hilarious dude. Cliff Kingsbury gives this entire, like, soundbite from a press conference about what he was trying to do at McVay's wedding.

And you guys don't even follow up with what he said. He goes straight into Kyle Brandt wearing a hat. And you're like, what's the worst fashion advice ever? I'm like, my guy Darius is getting a shot to be on the fucking show. Can you not have him break down what you're doing? But I understand you'll bring football's a good time. Good time.

You enjoy that show? They're in the middle of quite a makeover right now, Tom. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's great filling in. I think me and D-Butt are out there next month in New York in studio doing it together. I don't know. Back in studio next month.

Is that breaking news? You got the call. No remote show this time. You'll be in person. It's fun. Honestly, the producers do a phenomenal job. Listen, you guys can talk about the NBA playoffs. You can talk baseball. We had to find a way for three hours in that morning to connect everything somehow to football.

The fashion statement thing was slightly out of the box. But continuing to get that show going for three hours and find new ways into it is a difficult thing in the offseason. So they do a really good job of just finding ways to connect it. And yeah, things have changed there. Kyle's still around. Peter, of course, is still around too.

I was seeing the reports that I can't comment on on the new host of the show. Jamie Erdahl. If that is true, they've made a fantastic choice with someone I've known for a very long time. It's a great group. It's a really well-run show. It's a lot of fun. Emmy winner over there.

Yeah. Congrats to them. The boys have a couple questions for you. Is that all right, Tom? Yeah, go for it. Go ahead, Ty. Tom, thepa uh in the deshaun watson situation was saying that they're going to kind of use daniel snyder and how he

hasn't been punished maybe in like their argument do you think what happens to dan snyder has any bearing on what punishment deshaun watson will eventually get they can certainly make uh the argument and in particular because he was not uh charged Deshaun Watson was not charged with any crimes. Two grand juries declined to indict him. Having said that, there's other players that have not been charged and have ended up facing discipline. Now, certainly, I mean, you can make logical connections to, in particular, Robert Kraft and what he had went through several years ago. But it's still a different disciplinary process, and it's one that's collectively bargained. So the issue is not merely fairness. It's also about what is being collectively

bargained. And it's a new process. I think this is the part that has not gotten enough attention. It's not the NFL handing down discipline now. It's the NFL and the NFLPA both making their argument about what the discipline should be. And then it's a former federal judge who is going to make that initial disciplinary decision. Both sides can appeal the initial disciplinary decision. This is the first time it's happened in a high profile case before. My sense would be that it's unlikely that you're going to see substantive change upon an appeal, that the discipline is probably going to be the discipline in this case. But it's also outside the scope of anything that we've seen so far.

The 20 civil settlements that they reached in the past several days here that really were done last fall and they just finally are getting finalized now. Certainly would advance the ball in terms of them having their arms wrapped around this thing a little bit more. But it doesn't necessarily change the timeline of when this is going to be adjudicated. I still believe we're going to know on discipline prior to the start of training camp. But, you know, getting that before the Fourth of July holiday, which had kind of always been the target, may be less likely than it was before. The House Oversight Committee ain't going to be on the same page before Fourth of July. Uh-uh. before. The House Oversight Committee ain't going to be on the same page before 4th of July.

Uh-uh. Well, they all... Is 4th of July even a thing they all agree on? Do they all agree on even 4th of July being a thing? I hope so. I doubt it. What do they agree on, you think, over there? Tom, anything? Martinis. I mean, based on that hearing,

it doesn't seem like a great deal here. I mean, here's the other thing, too. So, you know good old they called him to get to get away from like just so nobody thinks that this is like a political thing there's valid points made okay on the opposite side of the aisle from where the chairwoman is about like there's a lot of bad stuff right now in the country there's like crises and stuff you should address it it doesn't diminish the most recent to get done over here pat fallon hearing was on the other stuff that we're not talking about, but apparently we are now.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that a great deal gets done to the extent that there's real legislation that could help real people, real women across the country. To that extent, if it furthers that goal, then I would say that, yes, something can actually get accomplished. Congressman Pat Fallon just went through a list of nicknames for Tom Brady, including The Real Slim Brady, as he took his point to the flake gate for Roger Goodell. This is going well. This is going well. Tom's scratching his head.

This is a joke, Tom! This is a joke. You know how people are embarrassed around the NFL about having the commanders in there? And by the way, us as stewards of the game, we are as well because we've got to talk about it every single time this dude's fuck-up

comes to light in the past. We have to talk about it, so it's a little bit embarrassing. I'm embarrassed by what I've seen over there. By the adults that act like they're smarter and higher and mightier than all of us in the way they're handling themselves over there. They need to get off those high horses. They need to get off those high horses over there.

They ain't doing fucking shit. You guys are just wasting time. Connor, your question for Tom Pelissero. Yeah, Tom, between this commander's investigation and the Gruden investigation, is there anything that could actually happen to Goodell or is this mostly based on the teams? Well, if at some point the owners decide

that Roger Goodell has mishandled things, then when it comes time to negotiate his new contract, which is probably not far's, you know, some type of a revelation that comes to light that owners decide is a point of no return, you know, that maybe potentially that could impact Goodell's future. But you think about some of the past crises that Roger Goodell has navigated, probably most notably in 2014 with Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy and everything that played out through the course of that season. Goodell survived that. He remained the commissioner. And I think that there's a lot of goodwill, too, that's been built up for Roger Goodell over the past two years through COVID to play every game, to be able to retain your revenue to a large degree, keep the thing on track, even though there are many, many people who had a hand in that.

Goodell, along with his relationship with DeMora Smith from the NFL Players Association, the way those two sides work together to keep the thing on track with every other sports league was losing games and guys not showing up and everything else. That's something that you can't, well, you can put a price on it, I guess. It'll be the Priceman's next contract. But it's something that's really, really valuable for the owners. And the only way that he would not be commissioner anymore is if the owners, enough of them, decide we've got to go in a different direction. I see they're trying to find Demore Smith's successor for the NFLPA.

You just talked about Goodell's maybe next contract. I thought he was up before the next CBA. He's not thinking about retiring, you don't think? Why would you? I guess $60 billion, you're the head of the biggest league on earth there's no thought of maybe another commissioner or somebody new coming in there is roger gonna run this till the wheels fall off you think well the next cba expires i think after the 2031 season so yes i would anticipate that there's new commissioner um before then caddell's contract

though is up prior to that. So does he take one more term? Is there some type of a transition process? I don't know all the ins and outs of it. I would tell you there's not a clear candidate that people within the league believe has been identified, that this is the guy, the Adam Silver, who's just going to step in and he's going to run it and boom, we're rolling. I don't know exactly what the process is going to be. Is it going to be an NFL lifer? is it going to be somebody from the outside?

There's a lot of big decisions that need to be made in that regard. And in terms of the NFLPA, yes, they reelected DeMora Smith last year, but they did it with a new clause in their document, their collective bargaining agreement, but the NFLPA document, that says now it's not an automatic set number of years. They agreed that DeMores could get as little as one more year on his term. Now he's already served that out. So at this point, it's a little bit nebulous in terms of what direction that goes,

but there's a process that the executive committee will go through and they'll tab the new one. And yes, in all likelihood by 2030, 2031, or whenever that cba gets reopened and we start negotiating on the new one you would anticipate it's gonna be two new people at the forefront of that can't wait to see how that goes go ahead tom tom um mike tomlin omar khan and the steelers had a great signing yesterday and larry ogun jobe who famously threw mason rudolph to the ground in the miles garrett incident you think there's any way they do a Rudolph to the ground in the Miles Garrett incident. Do you think there's any way they do a fight to the death and the winner maybe gets traded before training camp and we know who's going to win that one? So any chance Mason gets traded before training camp?

There is a possibility Mason Rudolph gets traded before training camp, but not because of any perceived aggression on behalf of or in turn to Larry Ogunjobi. Ogunjobi is a good pickup. He's a good player. He's been on some good teams. He had the injury that got red flagged by the Bears. That's why his deal fell through there. I don't know the exact numbers yet on the Ogunjobi deal,

but you would anticipate the Steelers got a potential bargain on him if and when he's cleared. It is a unique situation, but it's not the first time that we've seen two guys who have had some type of past issue between them end up on the same team. This one, a little bit higher stakes regarding the allegations of the racial epithet and everything else that went into it, but I would certainly not anticipate that Mason Rudolph is all that concerned about Ogunjobi coming in the locker room or vice versa. Hey, Tom, we appreciate you today, man. Today was a lot to sort through. It sounds like you're trying to do the same thing we are,

and you're just much smarter and better at it than we are. If any of these memos come into that brain, please let us know, please. I will, Pat. Thanks for having me. Happy to do it. Hey, I appreciate you taking those AirPods off. Wait till you hear this back. Sounds so much better.

Unbelievable. Yeah, anytime. Send me something different. I'm happy to accommodate. Oh, we'll send you a light, too. Yeah. Yeah, Tom, Send me something different. I'm happy to accommodate. Oh, we'll send you a light, too. Tom, we'll get you good. Maybe send you one of those necklaces you had on from college. Yeah, there it is.

I might have one of those around here. We'll see. NFL Network Insider, The Neuralink, Sirius XM, NFL Radio host, Tom Poser. Thank you, Tom. Let's ride. Hour two here is going to see the return of a great. Because although the toxic table at Ty Schmidt and at Boston Connor have been here every single day, we've been live over the last few weeks, obviously.

And at Tone Diggs, one half of the Hammer died. Cowboys. He has been here. And all the boys in the back, aside from Gumpy, who got deported. And we hope his love story is coming together. Joining us now, making a rare appearance here in the middle of the summer, is a former college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, private plane survivor, and a man who's going to break down

the House Oversight Committee hearings today on Roger Goodell. Ladies and gentlemen, the face of Ohio Ohio State just got the trademarked for the Ohio State that is an actual thing that happened in the world today AJ Ha good to be here how you guys doing god it's good to see you man I haven't seen you in forever so much has happened how are you guys doing? God, it's good to see you, man. Feels like we haven't seen you in forever. So much has happened. How are you doing? How was yesterday? I was good, about 100 degrees, but had a little slight breeze, and I bombed a few drives and hit many out of bounds. So yeah, it was a golf day. First time picking up the clubs in some time. How do you feel going into

Tahoe just a few weeks away now? I feel like my game is really rounding into form. I'm trying to really bring it out of the pocket like you've been teaching me, like I'm watching your film. But I did watch your guys' little highlight film you put together there during the break after Zito brought me on. You guys all have good swings. Nick, Evie, you. You guys all look like golfers.

Nick's a country club guy now. His country club is so nice. Really? So nice. I mean, I helped build it with my money. Nick's money has gotten him in there. Thank you, Pat. No problem.

I was a member there for a few years. Never went. They did a full upgrade, I guess, I helped build it with my money. Nick's money has gotten him in there. Thank you, Pat. No problem. I was a member there for a few years. Never went. They did a full upgrade, I guess, on everything there, including the course. It was gorgeous. Beautiful. Should probably become a member again. I'll never go, though. Whatever the case.

Welcome anytime. Nick's the only Italian there, I think. I think he's the first Italian ever there. That place stinks. Well, it's awesome, man. We're breaking barrier stone. Yeah, he's breaking – Well, this city stinks because it doesn't have any Italians,

so I'm not surprised. Well, Nick got really good at golf, though. Nick is – from a few months ago until now, Nick is a much better golfer. Foxy grew up on a country club. We've got to remember that. True, true. He's had a golf coach since high school, so if he hits something bad – Good for you, Evie.

I've never been to a country club until I went to Knicks. Never had a swing coach my whole life. You were on the golf team. Golf coach. No, I didn't. The golf coach literally said, oh, you have a slice? Oh, just aim a little bit more left. Oh, sure.

I caught myself. Yeah, okay. All right, Bubba Watson. Whatever the case. No, Foxy, great golfer. Foxy's a very good golfer. He plays like a 90-year-old man, but he puts up great scores. He hit like 190 down the middle every shot?

He uses a two-wood off the deck. He wouldn't even use the driver. He did bust out the driver late in the round. I did. Did the same exact thing as the two-wood. I don't know why we haven't just tried to work on that. But he's just a steady golfer. Steady golfer.

Here we're doing that. And that's how you're supposed to golf, I think, AJ. No. That is absolutely. I mean, sure. You can golf however you want, I guess. He's at fox immediate no i mean because you're not 85 years old yet man come on you're like it's way more fun to hit fairways to hit greens to putt and get pars it is then searching for balls hitting out of the heather everything like that like a tahoe

we'll get a practice round what that thursday yeah? Yeah, it's like a pro-am day. Yeah, you get to see the course and play it. Will I be with you that day or no? No, you'll be with a group, probably like four other people. You play a shamble, they call it. Fuck. You'll love that. That sounds fun. You'll be there.

I didn't know that was a thing. I mean, honestly, though, luckily all the groups that come out to play in that are cool. Like, they like to party. They like that are cool. They like to party. They like to have fun. They like to play well. Did you say that? Everybody's always the funniest person whenever I'm around. I thought you had to go late on Thursday, though.

Didn't you have something on Thursday? Yeah, you can opt out. You don't have to. Yeah, but I've never seen the course before. Yeah, you probably do need to play it. You should probably play it. Thielen's out there Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. You can go do that and play by yourself.

You can go play practice rounds with whoever you want Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. AJ, there is nothing I hate more than me being put with a random group golfer. Like, I'll tell you, I've just, the amount of money I've had to donate to people's charities because I've opted out of doing their golf tournaments because I don't want to be

four and a half, five hours with some random group that is obviously hysterical. They are the funniest people of all time and the amount of punter and kicker jokes that all these people have. I did not know this was a thing. My knee is hurting, isn't it?

That's what I mean. I thought we were just going to rest. Yeah, you don't have to play. A lot of people want to play. Because, yeah, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, you're trying to win the goddamn thing. Maybe we'll play next year. Yeah, well, we're not there for some joke Thursday. We know that.

Tell them you can't play Thursday then, man. A lot of guys want to play Thursday, and they go – I know guys that go off-site and play a different course on Thursday because they want to play on – they want to play Thursday in they go... I know guys that go off-site and play a different course on Thursday because they want to play on... They want to play Thursday in the Pro-Am and there's only like 30 guys, I think, 40 guys that play in it. Oh, so I'm taking somebody's spot?

I don't know if you're taking somebody's spot, but there's not enough spots for everybody to play. Sounds like you're taking somebody's spot. I don't want to take somebody's spot. First year there, what a fucking asshole. I don't want to do that. Unless someone requests you. Don't play Thursday. Well, how do you know that he's playing on thursday if not everybody plays what do you say can i play the course without playing in this thing on thursday uh i don't know if you're playing thursday you got there's like an 8 a.m shotgun start and a

noon shotgun start so if you play the 8 a.m group you have to be done at noon that's the good thing okay that is good actually get in and out of? Then we go out in the lake all afternoon. That's why you like to be in an 8 a.m. group. It's fun. Okay, and that's also— They blow a horn, and you have to run off the course, basically. They don't want it to be a six-hour round. Hey, that's 11 a.m. tea time, our time, when we get over there.

True. That's fucking perfect. Absolutely, and it gives you the whole afternoon to go swim in the lake, do whatever you want. Do they need more sponsors to get in that thing on Thursday? More companies to buy spots? Oh, you want to buy your own spot so you just play solo? No, no, no, no. What are you doing?

I think FanDuel. I think FanDuel. Everything's for sale. You know that. I think SeatGeek wants to. That's true. Early, 8 a.m., they want to be a part of that thing. For sure.

We'll pay for them. They'll reimburse us because we have the connection. That's my biggest nightmare, AJ. That's a good – I mean, I understand what you're saying, but if that's your biggest nightmare, you're going to be okay. Well, if you tweak your knee too. Yeah, I'm a pretty fearless human, man. I think I –

Honestly, I think I am a pretty fearless human at this point. Yeah, I'm a pretty fearless human, man. I think I... Honestly, I think I am a pretty fearless human at this point. Yeah, I agree. I will put myself into just death moments just to see. You know, like, fuck it. Let's just see how... Then this is a great opportunity for you to grow and be like, you know what? My preconceived notions of what this may be

and what these people may be, maybe I need to give them a chance. They're not going to... This is expensive, too. This group of people that I'm going to be with are the super yups that get opportunities.

Oh, my God. I'm excited. I'm still excited. I've been training for it. Oh, yeah. Can we get out in that country club tonight? Can we get back out there tonight?

Yeah. OK, I'm not going to country club tonight. I'll start talking to more people so I can, you know, prep for the fucking four hours with these people as well. So I'll start getting that old thing done.

Let's move along. Did you watch any of this Oversight Committee? And did you know that our government is completely fucked forever? I didn't know that. I just found that out. I mean, the Oversight, I've seen clips from the Oversight Committee. I've watched a little bit of the show today and hear you guys talk about it. I wanted to know, first off, is it still happening?

Whatever's going on is exactly what we thought though nothing is being said nothing is being said that's how it goes bro we were talking about this day being a massive day like but these so these oversight committees are put in place to try to hold people and companies accountable right isn't that why they're there no they're just yelling at each other yeah they're yelling at each other they went to a happy hour yesterday and I think Donald's from Florida and Carolyn from New York, they must have had a disagreement

over a couple cocktails yesterday because before that thing even got started, they were yelling at each other and not at Goodell. And then somebody came in from Texas. Somebody came, I mean, it was, that was a shit show. And Roger Goodell,

I thought might like stay up for this. this might be a worry yeah he he fucking knew he was gonna walk right through that thing right i mean he knew he was just gonna i'm smarter than all you you are a bunch of idiots everything's for show and this is all bullshit basically so if daniel steiner has been subpoenaed correct yes for next week off his yacht in new New York, or in France, near a resort town. Fucking asshole. So he can plead the fifth, right? Can he in this committee? So Tom Pellicera basically said he'll figure out a loophole not to go next.

He'll have COVID next week, and then the week after he'll have something else. Monkeypox. Hey, Ty was talking, though. Monkeypox. Is that still happening? It made an appearance in Indiana. I saw a headline. Don't fucking look at me.

I think it goes through eyes. Ty, you were saying earlier, though, Pat, earlier in the show I was watching Ty say, why doesn't Daniel Snyder just sell the squad and kind of ride off into the sunset and not have to worry about people killing him all the time? Great question. Exactly right. He doesn't want to ride.

He wants to be a part. He wants to be, have that, you know, being an owner of the NFL team, it's a very exclusive club. I think he is – obviously with all the stuff that has come surrounding him, he really values that. He, like – I feel like he wouldn't have a purpose if he didn't have that. He wants to be able to do those celebrity golf scrambles. Right.

Yeah. Hang out at the field. And they say, oh, what do you do? How do you have a couple billion dollars? Oh, I used to own the Washington football team, but they're like, oh, but you donate more? We don't care about you. Yeah.

That's why you always say relative when people say you have money, and then you're like, well, I don't know. I've sat at a couple dinners where I was, I might as well be absolutely broke and have zero dollars. All those billionaires like hanging around other billionaires, is what you're saying? You just got to think about he is a human in that sense he would like to flex to the other billionaires that he hangs around and who's his friend there's no way he has any friends right

now right no he i mean he has yes yes people probably surrounding him i would guess right like what is his family situation like this how many kids what's his wife like because she supposedly is running the team right yeah a couple kids i think we saw him down at the Super Bowl, right? He probably wants the kids to take the team over, too. That's another reason not to sell. Are they 13, 14? What is the legal age of being able to hand an NFL team over? 18.

That was one of the big reasons why he drafted Dwayne Haskins, I believe, is because Dwayne Haskins went to high school with his son. So he's got to be a little bit older then. Yeah. Probably out of college by now. And for that billionaire thing, remember John Mara talking about the Giants losing? I'm sick and tired of telling everybody why our team stinks at all these billionaire events I go to. Whatever.

Nothing's going to come from this. We all, we'll know this next time. Yeah, we've been duped. Somebody tell Siri to tell us whenever the next one comes, there ain't shit coming from it. We'll know this next time. Yeah, we've been duped. Somebody tell Siri to tell us whenever the next one comes that ain't shit coming from it. Yeah. We got duped in the UFO thing.

We did. Okay? We know more on the internet than what these fucking people know who are supposed to be in charge of it. So we got duped then and I think we weren't as experienced as a show or as C-SPAN watchers

at the time. Sure. If it's on C-SPAN going forward, it ain't worth a fuck. Pay it no mind. Okay, let's write that down. AJ, will you remind us whenever you're back, every intermittently, like a day or two? You know what I mean?

If I'm here during another oversight committee thing on C-SPAN, I will absolutely try to remind you. Good chance you're not going to be there, because there'll be some golf out and then you sign up. My biggest nightmare is the thing that he signs up for. What was it? Oh, you can offer off 45 of those things. Yes, they're a good time, man.

Oh, I absolutely love it. They have fun. I can't believe you enjoy those things. I honestly did not expect that from you. That has to be plus 10,000. Well, I have developed relationships over the years. What's that? What's that?

I have developed relationships over the years with certain people that run a couple of these events. I know we're doing a Peyton and Eli thing here on early Monday Night Mannings. Sorry to do that. I miss a day, and I can't figure it out. That's a problem. I literally was thinking, oh, no, we're the Manning cast. I'm having a few meetings.

The same thing. I hate it. The same thing. Because that's a good show. That's a good show. They are awesome. They honestly are awesome what they do. Three more seasons.

They got to figure it out with the guests, though. They got to tell them, like, hey, come in. You got to come in, and you got to go. You know what I mean? You got to go, and then you got to. You got to get guests that have actually done Zooms and FaceTimes and stuff before. Don't do guests. Or no Peyton.

Yeah. What? During guests? What? Or just. Like, somebody should know Peyton. Like, I think. Oh, no, Peyton.

I thought you were saying that Peyton should leave. No, K-N-O-W. Like know Peyton, I think. Because some people get in there, they're scared, I think, to talk to Peyton. But I think Peyton would like to hear what you are saying so that he can respond. But then it becomes a full thing. And Eli's just sitting chilling in the bottom. He is ever going to figure this the fuck out or what?

Also, I think they need to stick to guys who played football because otherwise it just turns into a podcast. Then Peyton either is completely paying attention to the game and doesn't give a shit about who's there, or they try to go back and forth and you miss stuff that's going on in the game. Anyways, it's a great concept. It'll do well for the next three years. Excited about it, but we were speaking over each other.

Let's speak over each other about something that is happening in the NFL currently. Jalen Ramsey had surgery on his shoulder yesterday. Should be ready before the season. I guess he played all last year with tears in both shoulders. So that should be a warning to everybody that Jalen Ramsey is going to be healthier than he's ever been. This is just like Darius Leonard. Going to be healthier than ever because they found that pinched nerve in his back that was affecting everything else. Did we know Jaylen was hurt and do you hate or love these late surgeries that have been happening over the last few years i think it's because guys think they can rehab it

without having to do the intrusive rehab process of surgery surgery's not fun anytime a surgery happens obviously you're getting knocked out and nobody likes doing that i actually enjoyed it the first couple times i will say oh yeah i'm not like michael jackson where i need it every night but like i did enjoy the me trying to beat the the shit yeah yeah you know the countdown from 10 you won't make it to 7 oh is that right is my first thoughts and then lo and behold i don't think i've made it to 8 yeah right i think they control when they want to put you out there. But that feeling of your entire body just shutting down is fascinating. It's only one way to experience it, and it's through that.

Coming out of it, you're a little out of it. Some people get sick. But then that rehab process is terrible. And I think there's a lot of, with modern medicine and the more things we learn about food and dieting and workouts a lot of guys feel as if they can heal injuries that had been surgery needed in the past is that what happened here you think because like Michael Thomas he missed an entire season right because he thought he could heal his ankle all the way back somebody just a couple weeks ago got another late surgery I think this is becoming a thing and I wonder what the

cutoff point will be now I'm not saying Jaylen made a bad decision jaylen's gonna do whatever the fuck jaylen wants to do jaylen's like top five player in the nfl and he's super bowl champ he can do that but i wonder if this is why the surgery is happening so late aj yeah i would imagine that's what it is there's always like a different doctors and different opinions okay hey yeah absolutely get in and fix this right away or you have a good chance to not need surgery if you can rehab it and everything goes well i would imagine like so the the date was probably right where we're looking at right when did this surgery happen a couple days ago yesterday i think two days ago yeah so i'm sure they said hey if it

doesn't feel like you wanted to by this point then we'll go ahead and get the surgery so you have enough time to recover in time for the season and camp or whatever. But the fact that Jalen Ramsey was playing on two, whatever the torn ligaments or whatever was happening in his shoulders, he's a super physical corner too. A lot of corners don't tackle and they don't want to tackle. Jalen likes to bully people and make huge collisions. Jalen takes on blockers.

He's a super physical dude, which is very rare to be as physical as he is and also be a shutdown guy. That's not always the case. Well, think about any thought we just had of Jalen Ramsey, what you're describing as him blowing somebody up or flying and using his arms to bat. Even that motion, if you have torn rotator cuff or labrum or anything, hurts like fucking hell.

All of that hurts. Now, I kind of pointed out all the negatives of people that try to heal it without surgery. or a labrum or anything in your shoulder hurts like fucking hell like all of that hurts now uh i kind of pointed out all the negatives of people that try to heal it without surgery and then inevitably having to get surgery and being fucked down the road there's a lot of guys that heal shit by their on themselves by building up the little muscles around things and letting the body naturally do it so i'm not saying that jaylen made a bad decision in doing so but these late surgeries are surprising to me because in the past, the conversation about healing it without surgery I don't think was a real one.

It was normally like, hey, you're getting surgery tomorrow. We just booked your surgery. It's happening tomorrow. You should be back by whatever the date is. Now it feels like it's much more fluid, and I think that's because – what's it, second? Not second. What did they put in the new cba that you have to get

uh second opinion second yeah a second opinion from somebody outside the building now that that has become like mandatory i think as opposed to just uh a recommendation in the past i think we're going to continue to see the evolving of decisions and the fluidness of how people are going to go about recovering if he's back by the season nobody cares but if jay misses some games like Jalen's going to take heat for this and it's not Jalen I don't know if it's Jalen's fault because Jalen wasn't the one that was deciding yeah I'll be able to heal this without getting surgery you know somebody much smarter than he in the doctor field probably helped him through this whole thing so let's not hold this against Jalen if he doesn't make it back yeah no way because even if he does miss a game, he'll be unbelievable as soon as he comes back.

But June is just kind of late, right? Like, isn't even April? Doesn't that feel late? It's got to be like a – it can't be the full, like – I doubt it's like the full pinning down, like, rotator cuff and everything. It's got to be a labral tear where they clean that out. Some people can play with it at times depending on how bad it may be or how painful it is.

But are they saying he could be full go in like five or six weeks? If that's the case. Because I know a big full rotator cuff, everything in your shoulder, that's like a six-month deal. Probably ten, right? Six weeks until camp. They said regular season, so that's another four. So ten weeks, that's a long time.

Prolong his career, though. Hang out in camp, rehab that shoulder, get your legs right, and come in the season rolling. Yeah, absolutely. He feels like a guy that if he doesn't want to play corner, he could transition to safety pretty... Safety's still hitting. That's a lot of... I'm just trying to figure out how the fuck he played last year the way he played it. Both

arms. From what I've been told, tore it all. He must have just been... He must have been shot up so much in there, which goes into the sacrifices guys make to play every single weekend when everybody just talks about them having a missed assignment. You're terrible. You're terrible.

Motherfucker, I can't even feel half my body. Yeah. All right, I'm trying to do my best and win a Super Bowl. Shout out to Jalen Ramsey. Also, never even like, oh, he looks like he's hurt when he's playing. He always looked like he's hurt like when he's playing like he just he always report looked like he was healthy what if it was like the nhl upper body injury but was he on the injury report because people can't try to come after oh they were hiding this yeah they never

missed a snap right if it's not on the injury report it can't affect the game if you're if you're on the injury report you're allowed to get pulled from the game right i don't know how's that work i think that's that's why they always have like – like some teams have everybody on the list because I think that clears them for if they want to do something game day wise. If they're not on the report and they play every snap, I don't think it's a thing. I don't know though.

So I just – I Googled Jalen Ramsey injury report. But it came up that he was on the pivot in March and he said that in the middle of the year, in the middle of the Rams' run into the postseason, he sprained both of his AC joints. So it wasn't a full season. And the sprained AC joint, like AJ said, and you said too, because I've had one too,

you just try to rehab it if you don't. Super painful. Yeah. It can be super painful. Joining us now is a man from a different sport who might be projecting a super painful collapse for everybody over there in Omaha City. Joining us now, former NHL goalie, NHL Network pundit, and ESPN pundit, friend of the show, ladies and gentlemen, Kevin Weeksie. Kevin Weeksie! What up? What's going on, fellas, ladies, gentlemen, Kevin Weeksie. Kevin Weeksie! What up?

What's going on, fellas, ladies, gents, boys, girls, everyone else? What's happening? Hey, how are you? You looking... Dogs, cats. Yeah, here we go. You look incredibly fly right now. Are you in the building?

Are you dressed like this all day, all the way up until puck drop? You look amazing. First of all, thank you. Thank you. I'm rocking. Today, I'm rocking the Pink Panther. The other day it was the mint chocolate chip. You knew what the mint was and you know what the chocolate chip was.

But today, just the Pink Panther here. So, yeah, I'm coming to you live from Manly Arena. We just had a couple hits on SportsCenter. I'll be back with Max Kellerman. And more importantly, I'm on with you great folks right now. Yeah, live inside the building here. Oh, we love it. We appreciate you.

That place is going to be rocking this evening. We had Elliott Friedman on yesterday. Are you trying to take his biz, by the way? Insider dropping news, doing all the magic, or you guys have a good relationship? No, man, we go way back to Toronto, same hometown, and I've known him from when he first got on the beat because I don't think a lot of the people know he was first on the NBA beat

before he came on to the NHL side. So I helped him, you know, in the spirit of team. I shared some of my Rolodex, but he's worked exceptionally hard. He does a great job. I think the biggest thing for me, man, is just to be a Swiss Army Knife. I do games, do color, do studio,

do on location, break news, you name it. I love doing it all. So just like you guys, guys man we just try to keep it moving yeah you're a hustler and we appreciate it i'm happy you've come into my life in the sports world we're thankful you joined us now what did you see from the tampa bay lightning in game three that was obviously very different from the games one and two and is vasilevsky going to be back and are the boats going to run away with this or is that an anomaly you think no good questions one thing i noticed from Bolts in game one they started the game

on time. That's the first thing you guys know that as former athletes coaches always say fellas ladies we got to start on time. They did that. They're much better from the outset of the game. They also were able to get out of their D zone a lot quicker. They weren't hemmed in. They were able to get exits out of the defensive zone by way of their passing, moving the puck, and also Andre Vasilevsky's ability to handle the puck like a third defenseman. In addition to that, Vasilevsky was dirty in game

three. He was outstanding. He was excellent. I think they credited him with 39 saves. That math was off. I had about 45 or 46. Jump on a pile. Exactly. He was great. All things being equal, yeah, I had about 45 or 46. Couple jump on a pile. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So he was great.

And all things being equal, fellas, they just looked much faster. Colorado blew past them in games one and two. Tampa certainly looked faster in game three. So what do you predict tonight, especially from the goalie play as well? Can you explain a little bit how much confidence has to play a role when it comes to being an NHL goalie? Everything. Everything, Hawker.

Everything. Honestly, like, I literally felt that. I felt that at eight years old, bro. Like, six when I started playing. You need that confidence to make saves, let alone here on the brightest stage, man. Stanley Cup final, everyone in the world is watching. And even if you're a great, like, Vasilevsky, or if you're down at the other end, like. Stanley Cup final, everyone in the world is watching. And even if you're a great like Vasilevsky,

or if you're down on the other end like Darcy Kemper, that confidence is so, so important. And Vasilevsky certainly was feeling it in game three. His teammates did a much better job, to their credit, in front of him defensively. But confidence is everything for a goaltender. You know that there. Skills are one thing, techniques another thing, guts.

But you need that confidence. Otherwise, none of those things come to the fore for you when you're in the net. The other question Hawker on hockey asked you is how do you think tonight's going to go? I think we're all wondering that when it comes to a gambling. Are we all on Tampa? I'm all in on Tampa in this one. Yeah.

I think they tie it up. I think they tie it up tonight. I said all along, I felt this was going to go seven. These are two amazing teams, two stacked teams. The good news for Tampa, though, Kucharov's going to be in. My understanding is he's playing. If you're a Bolts fan, if you're a Lightning fan, if you're a Lightning fan, you'll like that.

But if you're an Avalanche fan, Nazem Kadji, who was their best player all year, is going to be back in the lineup for the Avalanche. That's huge news coming to you live from Mornings Gate. And then Darcy Kemper is going to be back in the net, although he got pulled last game. He's starting this game again. Is Patty Maroon out there working on his dangles like the sick goal he had last game? Of course he is.

St. Louis man, Patty Maroon. I heard he joined the show. My boy Ruffer told me that he came on with you guys, so that's good. Patty's good people, man. He's great people. Hey, how many people in the world right now you guys know? What's the global population today? Anybody know? Eight billion. You know who's the only

person on planet Earth that is eight billion that has a chance for a four-peat Stanley Cup for the fourth consecutive ring? Pat Maroon. Oh, I was going to... On planet Earth! I didn going to... On planet Earth. I didn't know. On planet Earth. He's the only person

in the world of life that has an opportunity for a kick cat. I'm going to call that. You didn't give us a chance to brainstorm there. You kind of gave us the answer before we even thought about that. He'd be the greatest hockey player of all time. He wins these four, right?

I'll say this. The greatest one the greatest hockey player of all time. He wins these four, right? I'll say that's the greatest one out of St. Louis, Missouri. Whoa, Weeksie! The greatest one out of St. Louis, Missouri. Nick, your question for Weeksie. Weeksie, question for you. You mentioned Kemper's probably going to go tonight. Do you agree with that? Is that the right move? Is he up

for it? We haven't really seen him face a ton of adversity other than the injury he had to come back from. Fransos looked pretty good in relief. Would you roll with Kemper again if it was your call? Great question there. Yeah, good question, man. I would roll with Kemper, but it would be a short leash on him and it's no knock to him.

It's just based on the urgency of where this series lands right now. I would probably be a two-goal leash if he looks quasi-50-50, but i think it's the right move i would have started him if i was jared bednar head coach i would have started him i'll tell you why number one he's the guy that brought you here number two he's the reason you did not go into the trade market and acquire goalie at the trade deadline because he played so well this

season last game wasn't his best game but prior to that he had a shutout i would roll with him give him a two goal leash and we see where we'd see where we'd go from there. But Francois is ready. He's 6-0 in the postseason. So he's ready on the bench in the event that he gets that call. Hey, when you wake up in the morning of one of these games, are you just seeing the puck better? Do you know?

Oh, yeah. At what point do you know? Morning skate, shoot-around, warm-ups? When do you know, like, oh, I'm seeing the puck tonight better than I maybe was two nights ago? It's crazy. There's some games where the day before, it doesn't matter what happens. I knew I was on.

It doesn't matter. Then there were some days where it was kind of dependent on how you felt, like, in the morning skate, how you're feeling in the morning skate. It kind of would have an impact. Then, guys, to be honest, there are some games where you're just allergic to the puck you're just yo some games you're just allergic to that puck boy you didn't know if it had anthrax on it you didn't know if it had rice in on it you're just like yeah you're bested despite your best efforts right like there's just something that would feel a hair off in certain games no matter your prep is always dialed up but sometimes you just didn't have it, man.

As we say, hey, the other players get paid on the first and 15, too. They're on scholarship as well over there. They're on scholarly, too. Totally. Go ahead, Ty. Weaksy, Fridge told us yesterday that he thinks Nate McKinnon's going to be big

on the back end of this series. As a layman, McKinnon is kind of the go-to guy. Is he shrinking the playoffs or what's going on here? No, no, no. Prior to the last game, Nate had I think the fifth highest points

per game percentage in playoff history in the NHL. I think it's like 1.3 something points per game. Yeah, yeah. Much better than Stoner. Much. I think it's like 1.3-something points per game. Yeah, yeah. No. Yeah, yeah. But much better than Stoner. Much better than Stoner. Much better than Stoner and Aces.

Sorry. No, no, no worries. But the one thing. The fuck are you talking about McKinnon for? We haven't seen him show up in the finals yet, have we? That's great when you're, you know, potting goals in the semifinals. I'm talking about the Stanley Cup. Oh, snap. Pat's jamming him up at the line of scrimmage right now. Yeah, you're potting goals in the semifinals. I'm talking about the Stanley Cup.

Oh, snap. Pat's jamming them up at the line of scrimmage right now. Yeah, you're damn right. It's a little bit of a scrum on the puck right now. You've got Stoner in your mind. Talking about Nate McKinnon being top five all time. Top five, top five, top five, top five, top five. What a title.

That's so good. They don't just grow on trees, Ty. That's right. You just can't go into the orange groves down here in Florida and grab one. No, but honestly, my thing about Nate McKinnon is this. What I love about him, and a lot of people kind of quasi but don't fully know this, he's boys with Sidney Crosby. They're boys.

They're from the same area back in Canada and Nova Scotia. They're boys. Yeah, I did. And you have to know that Nate's on that phone with Sid. I talked to Sid by text prior to the last game. Really? If you could go to the goal. What's he doing?

Forget. He's great. He's enjoying the offseason, tuning in, watching all the coverage. Because he's a sports junkie in general. Sid is. He's a sports junkie. He's still working. He's still working.

He's working and watching sports. Pasta's been skating every day. Pasta's coming to the Pens. That's good to hear. Nope, not a dream. Oh, did I hear you say pasta to the Pens? Yeah. Did I hear that? Yeah. That would be juicy if so.

That would be real juicy. Is that what you're hearing? I haven't heard that one yet, but that would be juicy. Nobody's heard it. What's the deal? Anyways, let's get back to what Sid told Nate. You think calm down, relax, just enjoy yourself? What do you think he's telling him? All of the above. Yeah, just telling him to just continue to do what he does. Play to his strengths.

Not because the psychological part of the game, especially for those players. You know this. The lead players that perform, that are high-producing players, they expect so much of themselves. And sometimes they put too much pressure on themselves, right? So maybe just simplify the game. And for Nate, because he's a

possession... Oh, no area that's what happens when you disrespect Sidney Crosby I'm back I'm back I am back in the saddle boys let's ride so for Nate I think the biggest thing for Nate right now is to get to the net more get to to the net more. You know what I'm saying? He's making one move, two moves, then he's going for three. Make one or two, shoot it, and then get to the net a lot more often.

Just a little adjustment. Earlier you mentioned possibly putting a guy in and giving him a two-goal leash. Now, will a head coach tend to tell the goalie that, hey, you have a short leash or two, three-goal leash and you're out of here? Every coach is different. Some coaches might be that forthright.

You guys know what it is. Some coaches will be like, hey, I'm coming to you. I'm coming to you early. However, some coaches will give it to you like that. And then other coaches, to your point, and to your question earlier about the psychology and the mentals, some coaches won't say it, but you'll know it.

You know what I mean Yeah, like for example like Vasilevskiy. No Vasily could let in 175 goals He's staying in the net and he knows that and Kup knows that cuz Vasily's the best in the world Along with my Manchester kid in New York who I handed the Vezina trophy to last night by the way at awards Oh you were at the NHL awards weren't you wearing the mint chocolate? That's what you said? No, no, no. Last night I was in a black and white pinstripe. Oh, yeah. A little gangster.

Black and white pinstripe. A little gangster styles. Yep. A little awards night. A little awards night. Yeah, you know, you had to formalize it for awards. You know what I'm saying? You have to formalize it.

Did you give a speech before delivery? Like, hey, how about these drinks? You know, like awards. No, no, no. Hey, you know what I'm saying? You have to formalize things. Did you give a speech before delivery like, hey, how about these drinks? You know, like awards shows? No, no, no. You know what's funny? You're asking that? So, Kenan Thompson, brother Kenan Thompson from Saturday Night Live was hosting. He was great, by the way. He was excellent. No, I just had my scripted stuff,

which, you know, people like us were not really into the scripted stuff, but hey, for the purpose of the league, I had to do it. That's right. People like us are not. I don know how you did it like i i've been asked potentially to do something at a similar type situation uh that you were at last night and it has been a real thought like this is probably only going to be a one invite thing because this is probably yeah yeah yeah absolutely yeah but but at the time, it depends on the checkbook for you fellas too. You know what I mean?

Like if the take is right, it might make it work. Hey, you just read that to – all right. Exactly. Totally, totally. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, we see how long it's going to take Kajou to really get back into the flow of things. And is there a chance he's kind of like Braden Point

and he plays a game and then kind of gets re-injured and has to sit the rest of the cup why would you do i had that same injury as nass i played through that injury on tour dolls you guys were talking about oh shut up is that the best you lucky best oh my god totally totally totally terrible for us long term from what i've heard terrible long time 100 when we were on it it was amazing no that's amazing totally so i had that thumb surgery it was like my thumb ligament and i think that's what naz had i i think he's going to be nice tonight bro like i was just watching him out here in pre-game skate he had his legs he had his conditioning he was shooting he was deflecting pucks too so i don't think it's going to take him that long to be honest honest with you. I think he's going to be effective.

And for all the great players they have, McKinnon, Kiel McCarr, who won the Norris Defenseman of the Year last night, too, McCarr. For all the great players they have, Ranton and Adam Kadju was their best player this year. He was dirty. He was dirty. What about Jack Johnson? He's been playing pretty good, too.

Nick, your question for me. Really well. Hey, Jack Johnson's been real solid, man. He looks good on that third pair. Veteran, still mobile. He's been very good. I think so, too. I agree. Really well. Hey, Jack Johnson's been real solid, man. He looks good on that third pair. Veteran, still mobile. He's been very good. I think so, too. I agree.

Your question, Nicky Skates? Weeksy, how's the ice down there? We saw in Colorado the Avalanche were flying around, crisp tape passes. Seemed to be a little bit stickier down there in Tampa. Is that heat getting to the ice house and holding up? They grow in the grass like the Bears and the Steelers? Yeah, exactly. I'll take you guys down there

if you guys have time. I'll see how serious you guys are about this. You know what I mean? Let me get down there. I see Hawker's mouth is wide open. Hawker's used to... This isn't Green Bay.

This isn't Green Bay. They fake cow. Hey, the person person sits there's fucked no no towel You paid a lot of money for that seat no towel. Sorry about it. See you later Hey, they better not they're not gonna give us those things that they threw on the ice last game either I don't see any of them in the like for today's what was that? What was thrown into the ice? Some little like ping-pong paddle things that they had never thrown them onto the ice last game Yeah, yeah exactly this is why we can't have nice things right Guys I can't bring you guys any closer to the ice level like if I bring your plan

All right, so there's the ice conditions see I'm like a weather reporter see the ice conditions So yes walk around out there you know yeah, of course So here's what I'm gonna tell you guys the ice conditions so yes walk around out there yeah of course so here's what i'm going to tell you guys on the ice dude yeah i know they have all these stupid configurations now that bought that block you even here come on that block you yeah in the old it's the vid it's the vid exactly back in the day back in the day i'd hop over here and just go out here because i played for the lightning too back in the day so i would just be here and just go out here because I played for the Lightning, too, back in the day. So I would just be able to just go out on the ice with you. Former legend. Andre Weeksie.

Weeksie said, I'm coming home, coming home. Move the glass, I'm hopping in. All right, what else? Totally. So, no, last game, I can tell you the ice was a little slower. And I spoke to some players on Colorado who were kind of whining about it. And I understand why, because they're such a fast, supersonic team. But the ice looks a lot better to me today, up close.

Hey, that Zamboni driver, 100% the reason why the ice would be slower, right? That person right there is in the game right now, right? See that cat waving at you over there? What's up, dog? That ice guy, he was waving over there. I'm trying to get the Zamboni driver's attention again. Got both. Now I look like one of those fans that's just slapping up the glass.

Nah, you're wearing that pink suit. You look damn good. Ain't worried about that. Weeks, we appreciate the hell out of you, man. I feel like we just learned a lot right there. It's going to be a good track tonight. Yeah, uh-huh. Look at that.

They're going to be flying around. That thing's triple bun, dude. Yo, this is, man. That looks like Churchill Downs for the Derby right there. We're going to be galloping. We're going to be galloping. We appreciate you so much. Good luck on TV all day. We like Tampa.

Yeah, absolutely. I like them for this game. Whoa, what about the series? I had them in seven. Okay. I had them in seven coming in. I had them in seven coming in. We appreciate you, ladies and gentlemen. Former NHL goalie, now pundit on ESPN,

NHL Network, and live on the ice, Kevin Weeks. Thank you, buddy. Kevin Weeks, yeah! Most guys have tried different ways to last longer, but thinking about how many Lordos Patty Maroon has won doesn't always work. Three, it's pretty, I mean mean it is a lot of lordos

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It's already hard enough to get through 17 weeks. Make it 18 weeks now with 17 games? Yeah, if I'm hurt, an extra four days is not going to make me healthy. Yeah, but don't you think the little recharge period there? There's no recharge. You come back and you feel like garbage. Yeah, for me. Stay in the rhythm.

Stay in rhythm with what you've been doing. I actually had to punt in all the places that I went to, like, on a regular basis because I thought I would forget how to kick the ball or I'd lose my rhythm a little bit. So I have great videos from back in the day of me launching balls in L.A., in the Bahamas and other places, and people just walking by. Like, I'm hitting a ball fucking 80 yards right in front of their faces, and people are like, get the fuck out of the way, please. It's like, all alright. Nobody gives a

fuck about punting. But I put on some shows on the LA beach. I mean, I hit some... I was standing on the cement part and then... Frank, were you there? I don't think so. That's a shame. It was a good trip. Into the water?

No. The beach in LA is like fucking 200 yards long or whatever. So there was like six people out there. I guess there were some locals. But there was like jump ball. Oh, nice. And in the sand. So I'd like punt the ball.

It would go like literally 65, 70 yards because where I punt the ball from, you know, minus the snap is like another 10 yards. So anything you see on TV, if it's a 45-yard punt, well, it's a 55-yard punt from the location. That's why whenever people post videos from workouts and combines, they're like, this ball went 65 yards. It was like, well, it's just a 55-yard punt. That's some people's average throughout some of the year. But nonetheless, I'm happy we're all learning that it's a bunch of bullshit

that the kickers get every yard that they kick, and the punters do not. It's bullshit. I don't like it. I hate it. But, yeah, there was people fucking jumping over top of shoulders and, like, landing in the sand. That's awesome. And then running the ball back.

It was like, this is – Did you know these people? A couple of them. I honestly thought you were there, Nick. I guess not. I think Trip was one of the guys, one of my college roommates. When did you go play like an ultimate Frisbee game on the beach somewhere? Hey, the sand is awesome.

I mean, it's an actual workout. Tiring as hell. Tiring as hell. But, I mean, whenever you're just landing on it, people are diving huge. There's a great ball retriever. And then just hundreds of people just walking around me like not even a thought that oh did an explosion just go on will you please get out of the way sir sorry about it sorry about it sorry about it gotta catch on a fucking surfboard thing i wanted to move to hermosa

there for a while in my life i'm like i'm gonna get enough money to get a house here in hermosa on the strand there's beach volleyball right there. The bars are awesome. It's very bikeable. That's a beautiful place. But then I got past the age of like 23, and I was like, oh, I'm a senior citizen here. Everybody there is 21 or 22 years old. It's like, oh, I can't. When I finally get enough money to move this place, I will be an artifact compared to everybody else. That's a beautiful place.

I don't know how it is now, but it was back in the day. I enjoyed the hell out of my time there. Yeah, when we were out there for the Super Bowl, granted it wasn't L.A., but I assume there's a plethora amount of poop and bums. That's a city. That's a city. I'm just saying, I'm sure they're everywhere.

And there are some beach towns that are much more lenient for the bums and stuff like that. What's the big pier? Huntington? Santa Monica. Santa Monica Pier. I think there's a good amount of bums on that and then huntington i think huntington beach maybe is one more down from venice has a lot

oh yeah venice is the one yeah they're very open very comfortable for it but there's some beautiful spots over there beautiful no no i think venice is nice yeah but they had a lot of people move in there though they go everywhere like across the street from like five5 million mansions, they had a full tent community set up. I think they took it down. I don't think that's ever going to stop, right? Yeah, they go somewhere. The town gets mad. They kick them out.

They go somewhere else. The town gets mad. They kick them out. By the way, if I'm homeless, I'm trying to get there, too. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to Aaron's house in Malibu, sleeping on the beach there. All the beaches are public. Why would you say that?

What do you mean? Everyone knows the beaches are public there. All the beaches are public. Why would you say that? What do you mean? Everyone knows the beaches are public there. You can't own them. No, it's like you're bird calling people to... Yeah. Well, I don't think they can get to where he is. He systematically got to a good location. Systematically.

Aaron Rodgers. How's he doing? He good? Probably. I don't know. We'll see him in Tahoe. Can't wait. Can't wait to chat with him.

There's been a lot of headlines about him. Really? Lately? Well, within the last week or two. Which one are you reading? True. I don't know. I feel like it's been kind of quiet compared to normal stuff with Aaron. Compared to last year, yeah. I mean, which guy are we talking about?

It's always live, it feels like. It is. It kind of spells out like that whenever you talk about some guys and it's like which guy are we talking about and it's almost like the remedy the potion for it all is just to lay low and do your thing but some people just can't live that life and if i had to pick which one i'd want to live i think i'd pick the quiet one all by myself, but some people just don't get that opportunity. No, they don't. You got to mix the remedies and potions

right. Yeah, sometimes you just like to throw random stuff in the pot. In the butt? In the pot. Big cast iron pot. You know? Like a witch's pot. What are you talking about? That's just what I'm picturing when you say that. What in the blue hell are you doing over there?

I hear remedies. I hear potions. Are you even on Earth? I'm thinking a pot. You know what I'm saying? Maybe once in a blue moon, you get a fucking read for a situation. You see, you guys, I assume right away like a Harry Potter. Okay?

And that's what they do. That's what a lot of the wizards and witches do. You're terrible at this. What are you talking about? I'm just talking about mixing it up. Yeah. Harry. Thank you.

You ranch with the cheese guy. Ranch. Yeah. What about you? Ranch. Blue cheese is gross. Thank you. Disgusting.

If I'm on earth. Blue cheese crumbles. Get those off of us. Get out. Thank you. I had green beans yesterday and they had I'm on Earth. Blue cheese crumbles, get those off of us. Yeah. Get out. Thank you. I had green beans yesterday and they had blue cheese on them. Who picks blue cheese over anything but on Earth?

On Earth, I do normally like to go with blue cheese. Of Earth? No, thanks. I see what we're doing here. Sometimes blue cheese is magical, though. Ranch is the best. Let's get out of here, dude. Alright, we need to get out of here. This show has gotten to a point that it needs not to be.

Just jump in our broomsticks and get out. Okay, all right. Way to go. Anybody else? Anybody else? If we're still talking. Then we'll give Z another one. Hey, Potter.

Z, it matters. It matters. It matters, Z. Do you guys know Z cracked the code on the live golf door fucking huge pop i need to hear this i never knew group text last night out of nowhere from zito anybody else find it weird that it's called live golf and that is actually the roman numerals for 54 and they only play 54 holes is that what it is and everybody literally read it i think it was like holy shit so everybody's had a baby seat had a baby seat at a baby seat and then z responds with yeah somebody

told me that uh the other day i didn't because we all thought zito cracked the code turns out this is something other people have chatted about is Is that something? Oh, yeah. We've talked about it on the show. This show? Yeah. I thought everyone knew that. I have not. No way. We were laughing because we thought everybody already knew that. Yeah, we've talked about it. There was two different laughs in the group chat.

Mine was, holy fuck, Zito stole this information from somebody and got the pop. Have we talked about it on this show? No. I believe so. Or in the office we have. See, this is one of those situations. Hey, who knows what other

54 conversations have been happening underneath there. Are you surprised that Brooks is going? No. It has two different meanings. 54 holes and 54 is the lowest score you could shoot if you were to bury every hole on a par 72 course. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, but Jim Kong shot an 18. That's right. And I believe Norman said, what, you win $54 million if you shoot a 54? Yeah. Oh, so it's a bunch of 54s. Yeah. No one's going to shoot a 54. Jim Furyk shot a 58.

Brooks Koepka's going to shoot a 54. Jim Furyk shot a 58. Brooks Koepka's going to shoot a 54. Yeah, good luck. Brooks probably got a... How much did he get? I assume a lot. 150, 125, at least Dustin, right? Hasn't come out yet, right? I'd say 150.

People are still mad at him. Defect. I don't know why anyone's surprised his brother's in it. Yeah, I believe Pat said as soon as he saw his brother, they're like, oh, okay, so Brooks is going over there. I didn't know he had a brother. I was like, is that guy related to Brooks? That's his brother.

Oh, okay. So people acted surprised, though, didn't they? I mean, just a new thing. What about all the people trying to qualify? There's only 48 people in the field. There's a lot of people trying to get in there because they're saying hey i'll take 48th place and take 125k yeah what about corn fairy tour dudes or college guys or guys that uh you know tin cup just kind of bounce around are they able to sign up and say hey i would like to compete for a spot over here and is it just all the guys they give the big signing contracts or

bonuses to their exemptions for everything? So this is how many spots we have open? How is that all coming about? Because they might be buying the European Tour or something like that, remember? And then would they just run it like a race? You have to qualify somehow, I know that. Would they just, because of the fact that the PGA Tour

just announced the eight tournaments with bigger pots, would they just raise the pot and then just make it available to more people? I don't know. We shall see. Hey, golf is at a big time. And, Zeed, I was with you, pal. I had never heard that before. Now you stole it from somebody else.

Yeah. But I was like, God damn, way to go, Zeed. You put that together, and then three, four minutes later, yeah, somebody told me about that. And then that somebody was you guys. Yeah, I swear we talked about this. That's why Nick said very good, Zeke. Oh, I thought he said very good, Zeke.

Like, I thought we were in the, like, never would have expected Zeke to do that. It was like an oh, no. No, I understood what Nick was saying that way. It was like everyone knew about it. I was like, I didn't know about it. I didn't know. Yeah, oh, no. No, I understood what Nick was saying that way. It was like everyone knew about it. I was like, I didn't know about it. I didn't know. Yeah, neither did AJ.

Thank you, AJ. I don't usually think about Roman numerals too often. I love Roman numerals. Yeah, they got a little bit fucking absurd in some of them, though. Is the next Super Bowl the live Super Bowl, or did that just happen? I think it happened already. It happened a while ago. L.I. LIV is...

Two ago, right? No. Which one was this last week? See, we don't do well around here. Tomorrow we'll do this better. We'll do this better. It matters. It does. Hashtag PMS, it matters.

Say something nice to somebody. What is it, though, Zeke? If you have to ask, you never understand. That's right. PMS, it matters. Say something nice to somebody. Put your cash tag in there. We'll give 10 people $599.

We can't thank you enough. You can screenshot right now. All right. See you all tomorrow. It matters. It matters. It does. Zito just told me that this is a pretty

this is a pretty there's a poll run in the YouTube comments right now. Over 76% of the people did not know that LIV was 54. So you guys, with your little inside jokes that you keep away from me, Zito, AJ, in the comments, like let's not maybe just always be on our high heels. I want to share your good ideas every once in a while, guys.

Yeah, let's not just fucking leave us behind out here. Collaborative. I thought we were a team. I was just talking. I told Jay Cutler I wish we could bottle what we have here. It turns out you guys are secretive about information. I don't want to bottle that up. I swear we've had

from that table. Maybe it was the first time. Not with me, pal. Not with AJ. Me either. I wasn't here. You're not here every other day. You're on vacation. I didn't see that coming. It matters. See you guys tomorrow. You are the best. Marsha's coming. Yeah. Well, maybe. All right, never mind. It matters. See you guys tomorrow. You all are the best.

Tomorrow's show's big. Huge. Huge. Tomorrow's big, dude. You don't even know. NBA draft. That's right. What?

Yeah. NBA draft's tomorrow. Lives will change tomorrow. Hell yeah. The story of hustle begins. That's right. Where will Bo Cruz go? South D.

We'll talk to somebody from the basketball world tomorrow and more. We can't thank you all enough. Big thanks to Tom Pellicero, The Arrow, Kevin Weeks, and the House Oversight Committee for giving us today to chat about. We'll see you tomorrow. Good luck to the Bolts tonight. Hammer Down is in 15 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer down. And that's Hockey Talk.

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