The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 693 - Kenny Pickett, Shams Charania, Andrew Mikkelson, Andrew Brandt & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

On today’s show Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys talk about Dan Snyder refusing his Subpoena from House Oversight Committee, Julian Edelman on Bill Belichick, NBA storylines, and everything else going on in the sports world. Joining the progrum in the first hour is Rookie QB for the Pittsburgh Steelers, Pitt Alum, 20th Overall in this year’s NFL Draft, New Jersey native, Kenny Pickett, to chat about the Draft process, his transition to the League, taking the reins at the QB position, Tomlin’s relationship with him, and more (0:14:21.230-0:36:04.909). Later in hour two, NBA Insider/Writer/Analyst for Stadium & Athletic, Shams Charania, chats with Pat, AJ, and the boys about the Kyrie Situation, thoughts on Ben Simmons next season, update on Westbrook, and John Wall’s return (0:50:00.159-1:00:31.320). In hour three, Former BYU Kicker turned MMA, 3-1 record, ranked 40 out of 243 US West Amateur Middleweights, and ambassador of “The Brand” comes on the show to chat with the boys about his past fight, his background, and plans for the future (1:15:47.367-1:26:27.114).  In hour four, to join the boys is journalist, former Vice President of Financial and General Counsel at the Green Bay Packers, and host of Business Of Sports Podcast, Andrew Brandt, to chat about the Deshaun Watson rulings being held today, breaks down Deshaun’s deal being “the best deal in the history of The League”, what would happen if he was suspended for a year, Dan Snyder’s refusal to accept the subpoena (1:32:34.984-1:51:50.960). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all of you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Tuesday, June 28th, 2022. And we just grabbed the horses out of the barn of Sports Talk. We're saddling them, and now we go. Let's ride. Let's ride into some Sports Talk, shall we? There's a lot of things happening today, including a Sue Robinson judged court hearing between the NFLPA and the NFL. The NFL is pushing for an indefinite suspension,

including of at least a year. The NFLPA is probably fighting back. Sue Robinson will have to make the decision. Then I guess there will be an appeal. Then that decision and ruling will be handed over to Roger Goodell, who will then do whatever the fuck he wants. But this definitely matters because we might get a little bit more information in the whole process.

And maybe we are nearing the end of the entire Deshaun watson off the field saga when it comes to nfl punishments which we have all been trying to prognosticate and predict for the last seven to eight months in the daily sports grind and we're all about done with it that's right will we learn anything today or this week probably not who knows everybody's saying we will so that probably means we won't but we will obviously cover everything going on in the sports world. A lot of things happening in the NBA right now. A lot of things happening in the House Oversight Committee with the NFL.

There's a lot of shit to chat about. Hopefully some of your phone calls as well on the 5RNG phone line. 1833 for MACV. We are so thankful that you're here today. And if you enjoy this show, please be a friend and tell a friend by the end of it. And if you don't like it, we understand. The Talks at the Table is here with a new face still because Ty Schmidt is creating

mana and aura and love with his brand new baby girl, Ty. We miss you, pal. In his place at the Talks at the Table at Nick Morata. You look fantastic. Saw Zeke last night with John Cena. Yeah, Zeke looked like he beefed up a little bit.

I remember John Cena when I was a kid. John Cena was the biggest guy going. Headband around the bicep. Yeah, massive arms, monster. Zeke could hold his own, maybe even a little bit bigger than Cena. It is nice to know that a plum guy is larger than Wes Newberry, Mass, John Cena. New England guy. Yeah.

Is Wes Newberry, is that a city? John Cena. New England guy. Yeah. Is West Newberry, is that a city? I'm pretty sure. Newberry is. I believe maybe it was West Derry,

because I thought he might be from New Hampshire. I don't know exactly. No, he's definitely from Massachusetts. Definitely from Massachusetts. Yeah, definitely from Massachusetts. Anyways, last time was a celebration in 20 years. West Newberry? West Newberry, Mass. Thanks.

I'm happy I could tell you things about your fucking state. I mean, that's Western Mass. That doesn't exist on the map, even. Massachusetts is the size of this piece of paper, too. Like, if you were to tell me something about Pennsylvania that's like fucking eight hours across the whole thing and I didn't know about it, it would be like, oh, interesting.

I wasn't expecting to know. You should know stuff happening in Massachusetts, especially when it's fucking John Cena. 20 years of Cena celebrated last night on Monday Night Raw. The guy out of West Newbury, Massachusetts, goes on to be a global superstar. Obviously, now he's Peacemaker. And last night, he said, I'm not retired. This is not a retirement speech.

And they said, one more match. He said, it's going to be more than one more. Okay. No big deal. He's 40-something years old, 45 years old. He just said he doesn't know when. Then he got out of there with a lot of respect and hustle and loyalty last night, John Cena. Nonetheless, Connor, the NFL

world, the sports world is alive right now. And I think my favorite thing, and I can't wait to get your thoughts on this, Dan Snyder has refused to accept a subpoena to testify at the House Oversight Committee. We know that he was asked to, alongside Goodell, the NFL commissioner,

to testify at the House Oversight Committee about a toxic workplace and everything else going on in the commanders, including the emails and the investigation and everything. Roger Goodell went in there. He performed well. The House Oversight Committee embarrassed themselves in front of the entire country, in front of people that are only sports fans and have no idea what they do on

the day-to-day. That was the only time we've ever watched it. Well, that and the UFO. Of course. UFO urine. Both of them, the exact same. They're a bunch of cuss-a-fuck bullshit. the only time we've ever watched it. Well, that and the UFO. Of course. UFO urine. Both of them are the exact same. They're a bunch of cuss-a-fuck bullshit. But Dan Snyder didn't show up. They even had a name tag for him with an empty chair. We'll save your seat, Dan. Very cool process there.

They said, we'll subpoena him to come in here and talk next week about how he feels he has treated women in his workplace. And Dan Snyder put duct tape on both of his hands, okay? Both of his hands. He wore skin-tight clothes, took his little boat called Ladies

over to an island in France where Napoleon was born. That's right. And when they showed up with the subpoena, he said, I can't, what? Sorry. Where are you going to put it? Can't slip it in the pockets. I ain't got no pockets.

You think I'm fucking dumb? No, I've been here before. Okay, put it in my hand. Ha-ha, duct tape. Can't fucking do anything. Slick it out of my shirt? Can't slip it in the pockets. I ain't got no pockets. You think I'm fucking dumb? No. I've been here before. Okay, put it in my hand. Ha-ha. Duct tape. Can't fucking do anything. Slick it out of my shirt. Can't do it.

Shirt's too tight. I'm like, ah, ah, ah. What are you going to do, little subpoena person? What are you going to do, little subpoena person? Hopped in the yacht, hopped in the boat, went to another island. Dan Snyder said, if you don't hand me the subpoena, I never got the subpoena. So tell your little Jenny Fox in the House Oversight Committee, I'm fucking doing it. Why?

Because you couldn't get the subpoena to stick to my body. Is that what is happening? How you understand it, Boston. Yeah, how I understand that's about right. I mean, we actually have a Dan Snyder yacht watch now. I believe there's a Twitter account that is just dedicated to seeing where on the planet that Dan Snyder is. I just assume anytime they subpoena him, his attorney is just going to be on vacation, no matter what, out of the country, won't be there. And Dan Snyder, because he is such a little snake rat fucker, he's probably not going to speak in front of anybody because of the fact

that he knows I need to have a guy who is an attorney, who's a lawyer, who can say like, hey, Dan, you can't really say that stuff because he's a loose cannon. He doesn't say anything. Listen, they show up right to the person. Oh, yeah. Whenever you're getting subpoenaed. So you said that his lawyer being out of work or whatever, that does not matter. They will try to show up at his yacht. They have a strict, we all have COVID on this boat policy. Sorry about that. Okay, come on.

They'll throw it at you. So you've got to dodge it. Yeah, they throw a paper plane. You've got to have that yacht move so it doesn't even land in the boat. Because if it lands in the boat, you've got to kick it. And if you have it for more than five seconds, it's like a second rule it is uh like 90 of lost possession at that point if it's on your foot longer than five seconds you kick it in the water it's not really yours he might also have i mean we don't know he does own a football team i don't know if he knows anything about

football what if he has six dudes around him at all times when the subpoena person shows up it's just a full you know it's like a flying V type thing. Pass pro. The hogs. He's like, oh, get, get,

get, get, and they're batting it down like this to the fucking subpoena person. Is that what he's doing? And how is that how our society operates? I assume when they made the bird call, hey,

you've been subpoenaed with the way electronics are and everything. I guess he could just say that he hadn't heard it, didn't know it. I'm sorry, I didn't get any piece of paper. Well,

you have your hands duct taped, sir. We couldn't, well, should have made a better effort then. Is that what he's going to do for the next month, month until this dies down? They can no longer focus on it? Because I think Tom Pelissero said, Dan Snyder has bought everything for his entire life. He will continue to do so. He's dodged, ducked, dipped, diving and dodging a subpoena, and that's his entire process? Bruce, you're our suit.

Is that how this thing works is that really how this works if it doesn't get into his hands or into his property he can legally say i was never i never saw it i had no idea yeah i think so but i think that the next step would be to indict dog the bounty hunter they will send dog the bounty hunter out to that yard you missed your trial you missed your trawl. You missed your trawl, all right? He's left his fastball. I wouldn't send him. Just because he's in France, you need to get the Night Fox and extradite his ass back here, okay?

I don't know if the Night Fox is going to be able to find somebody for the U.S. government better than Dog the Bounty Hunter. I think that's why they traded for Carl Wentz. He's up in the sniper tower taking anyone out that's coming for Dan Snyder. Oh, with a tranquilizing gun. Yeah. Or a real one. He's got that thing that they shot that rhino up in that one movie or whatever, and Carson Wentz is just out there.

Sorry about subpoenaing a person. He's not going to hit anybody. Well, he's got a great shot. Carl does look good. For the football. For Carl, it was the best thing for him to go to the football team because when you have... It's commanders, please.

When you have red hair and a red beard and you put a red uniform on, you look really good. Yeah, that guy. Jesus Christ. That first look at that. I don't know how that they don't just never put him in that uniform. Like, even if the whole entire team's wearing it, put him in a different fucking uniform.

Listen, don't blame Carson for the way he looks. This is quite a body hair and skin shaming situation. It's not about how he looks. It's about how the colors look on him because it is so fucking bad. I don't know if there's ever been a worse looking quarterback in a uniform before. I really don't. What's your deal?

I'm just being completely transparent. Carson doesn't deserve this. No, he doesn't. I wish him all the best. They're going to stink, but I wish them all the best. They got Scary Terry still in the building. Ron Rivera doing his thing. Jason Wright saying, hey, we're changing the page. And they got an owner who right now is playing tag with the fucking U.S. government.

Sure. That is quite a move. Just the state of their franchise. Why? Dickhead. What's going on? They have an owner playing tag with the United States government. That place is dead.

Oh, they're so dead. Probably for the next five, ten years. Yeah, they'll sell it for fucking $7 billion, though. Exactly. And then he'll never get another subpoena again because he'll literally be on a boat that has layers on it. He might be on a boat because he has an actual moat around there. What if he has those Navy SEAL dolphins swimming around his

yacht like, hey, you're retired dolphins. You want to come smoke some cigs and protect me? I just need you to keep the government out. The government with the House Oversight Committee is trying to get a subpoena to him, so they send in some divers. You have some divers going down there. Little they know, there's little commander dolphins swimming around. Boom! Not getting to Dannyder today pal you're gonna have to do something

much different then the paint will fuck that they have over the muzzles of their uh no these are real things by the way sure yeah this is not this is actual real thing around our military boats out at sea that we have dolphins that we have trained that protect them for any divers that are trying to put bombs on the side of boats in these dolphins they put actual like muzzles on their noses that when they hit something uh ink goes to the top of the water so oh shit dolphins must have caught somebody by the way genius yeah when i learned of it i'm like no shit they got a fucking dolphin protecting it's like not just one they got like a Navy not seals

Navy Dolphin because dolphins probably take massive offense to them being named seals even though it's not about the actual animal seal it's about the sea land thing Navy Seal Dolphins Navy Seal Dolphins Navy Sea Finns

do you talk to the dolphin? do you have a dolphin? nonetheless it is quite a scene with the commanders and who knows how it ends uh tone digs does this affect anything on the field at all for you as a gumbler knowing that it seems like their entire program is up in flames not smoke yet because they haven't burnt down they are just currently in flames right now first and foremost i don't think the fins are going to listen listen to Dan Snyder because they're used to listening to distinguished military men, and he is not a distinguished man. Okay?

Secondly. Lott, he called him a rat snake fuck just a little bit ago. That guy right there. Yeah, I did. He's a weasel. And then you took a shot directly. You body shamed Carson Wentz. No, I wasn't body shaming Wentz.

I was body shaming the colors on Wentz. I don't think Carson was like, hey, you don't want to send me to the burgundy team. You know? What is this, a joke? Why are we putting this thing up here? That's QB1. He's a rocket.

They even said QB1. This guy is a rocket. He looks pissed to have those colors on. I don't know what you guys are talking about. Listen, as somebody who runs a little red every once in a while, if a red team would have drafted me, that would have been a problem. Exactly. I would not have been happy. You think Carson's thrilled to be there?

No. You don't need to throw it in his fucking face. Thrilled to be there. I mean, he's getting paid $35 million to miss the playoffs. You think he gives a shit what the hell they're going to do this year? That happened in a blue uniform. Yeah, exactly. Good old line, too.

He is super pissed that he was promised two parades this fucking decade, and Carson put a fucking wrench in that. I haven't. I haven't forgot about that. I'm also pissed. You know, last year we were talking about Rams and Stafford. Why aren't we talking about Matt Ryan and the Colts? I thought this was the next team to do it, huh? The issue is Matt Ryan doesn't post any workout videos on his social media.

And Matt Ryan won with the Falcons. Stafford never won with the Lions. He didn't win the big one. Hey, I will say, immediately upon Stafford getting traded to the Rams, I don't know how everybody else reacted. I was pretty, oh, they're going to be very good. Yeah, and here, MVP Super Bowl. They're going to be very good.

That was the expectation. Because we had been forced to watch the Detroit Lions because Foxy is a part of this program. And we watched Detroit Lions just strictly so we can tell Foxy, your team fucking stinks, dude. Exactly, stinks. Just do that. We have to. And what I learned from watching the Lions there when Stafford was quarterback

is like, oh, the quarterback's not the problem. Yeah, you can sling it. And Rodgers talked about Stafford a lot of the time. He's like, nine up there in Detroit. Yeah. He does a lot of the throws that people are trying to do right now. Nonetheless, you don't think any of this affects the on-the-field stuff? Whether or not terrible person, Boston Conner, saying what he's saying about QB1.

Whether or not the owner's playing tag with the House Oversight Committee with subpoenas. Wearing skin-tight clothes that don't have any pockets. What has duct tapes on his hands so that no subpoenas can actually be stuck in his shirt or in his hands. No, Dan doesn't affect my gambling because I know Jason Wright's in there and Jason's doing a good job fucking changing that program around. That's right. I think on the field, though, it's not like they've had incredible quarterbacks the last few years.

And they've been mediocre because their defense took, two years ago, really, really good defense. Last year took a step back maybe. Chase got hurt, right? Yeah, he got hurt. So gambling-wise, I still think they're going to be okay. I don't think they're going to blow the doors off anybody. But I don't think Carson is a step back in the quarterback area.

I don't think so either. And by the way, his good football is great football. It's just that other football that happens that you've got to hope he eliminates. He wasn't able to do it here. Maybe he'll be able to do it there because he's putting an onus of an entire franchise on his back. Speaking of, quarterbacks that are going to have to step up in a big way and put a franchise on their back. Joining us now is a man who has all the passing records at the college that he attended. The same college that had Dan fucking Marino and Tyler Polko.

He was drafted number 20 overall to the Pittsburgh Steelers. He goes from one side of the building to the other side of the building as a University of Pittsburgh quarterback. Was beloved by the whole city. Now, will he continue that folklore and that legacy build in the Steel City as the next Steelers

quarterback? Ladies and gentlemen, the ever handsome Kenny Pickett. What's up, dude? What's going on, boys? Well, eat shit, Pitt. I have to say that. You know, I have to, honestly. But you were fucking great to watch at the University of Pittsburgh.

All my friends that went to Pitt, massive fan of yours. When he got drafted to the Steelers, everybody want bananas. Was that exactly how you felt? Were you pumped to stay in the city of Pittsburgh? Because I know that there's a lot of pressure that also comes alongside of that with tickets and family and friends and everything like that. Yeah, man.

I was pumped. We didn't know where I was going to go. It was like between 6 and 20 was the range. So there was a lot of movement in that middle part of the first round. So we thought that was maybe one of my spots. Then when I slipped to 20, I kind of had a pretty good feel. That's where I was going to land.

How did you enjoy the whole draft process? Because we, alongside everybody else, had to talk about every single part of your body. Literally every single part of your body was dissected. You know, your hand size. This guy's hand size is too small. His hair, too long. This guy's got too much flow.

He's got too much moxie. Did you hate? Did you try to keep that all out? Or how much did you hear of the outside noise, Kenny? I mean, you'd be lying to yourself when guys say, oh, I don't hear it. This day and age, somehow you can put the TV on and you're just going to see it pop across your screen by accident. So, like, of course you hear things. But it was a unique process, man.

I'm happy I only had to do it once, I can tell you that. So I found my new home and I'm excited now to start my rookie year. What was it like going to dinner with Tomlin and Colbert? Did you do that? Because they had dinner with everybody and it looks like they're having a great time everywhere they go. And Tomlin loved the entire process. Colbert, by the way, said, I'm going to draft the next quarterback of this team,

and then I'm going to retire. So that's how he will forever go down with you being his last quarterback selection. How was that with Tomlin and Colbert? And how much did you learn about them that maybe you didn't realize from being in the building with them for five years or whatever with the University of Pittsburgh? Right. Man, I'll tell you what, I missed the dinner part of it.

They must have skipped that out on me. They just had me walk next door. Oh, shit. Sorry. They just had me pop over next door. I had to mess with the coach on that one. But it's great finally being on that side of the building, obviously, and getting to know them a lot better.

I was only really able to watch them practice and kind of have, you know, brushing shoulders when I was walking out to the practice field. That was kind of it. So now that I got a chance to be in the building and get to work with those guys a little bit, obviously it's a lot different. And you can see, you know, why they have such a great, you know, franchise there. Is it vastly different?

Are you still eating with like at the same – like how much is there of a difference? Because I didn't go to Pitt. I've been in there because I got a chance to call one of your games on Thursday night, same exact night that the Steelers were playing, I believe, in Pittsburgh at the same time. Great schedule set up there. But I was in there and I think I got to experience, I saw the Aaron Donald stuff. And is it very similar, like same cafeteria, same equipment management? No, I guess equipment rooms are different. They have to be. How much of a new life are you living right now? And is there any introductions to anybody behind the scenes at the upmc building now that you've gone from college to the pro team yeah there's a couple

obviously coaching staffs and then uh but lunch wise i mean we eat in the steelers cafeteria when we're in latrobe so like for pitts, we're pretty much in there. So I know everybody on a first-name basis. They know what I eat pretty much religiously. Every time I go in there, they have it ready for me. So it's actually – it's funny. So it's like, you know, just my second home really. A lot of our Pitt equipment guys, when they graduate from Pitt, they pop over and they work in the equipment room with the Steelers.

So I have a couple guys that I know, you know, in the equipment room. So it's pretty cool experience, you know, having playing right next door. You know, NIL is just the last year or so. It sounds like Pitt has been cheating. For a while. For a long time. No, it's just a good program. No, it sounds like an NFL team has been benefiting.

No, it's just an internship program. No, no, it sounds like an NFL team has been paying. I'll call it. No. Wow. In-house. Fucking take them out. Take theirhouse. Fucking take them out. Take their pitch away.

Take them out. You were obviously a fan favorite of Pittsburgh. Your accolades are very, very long at the University of Pittsburgh. All-time leading passer. And in the ACC, you became, you know, a guy. You created a fucking Blitnikoff winner. What is the transition to the NFL game like? And you haven't played a game yet.

You've only had OTAs. But what has the difference been, or have you been able to pick it up pretty quickly? Because I think a lot of people say the way that pit offense was run, with what you had to dissect, run over to the sideline, get the play, run back in, figure things out quickly. Has there been a big jump, a big difference? And have you felt like you've been kind of in the deep end at all

in these OTAs with the Steelers? Really, I would say, you know, we had a lot of installs throughout, you know, camp and stuff like I think we stretched out about 13 with the Steelers. It's at six. So the volume in each install obviously is a lot more. And, you know, every time I would, you know, the more reps I'm getting, the more comfortable I feel. So that's that's the big thing.

And I got to become, you know, really good at getting mental reps and learning at a faster pace. And, you know, I'm using this time, really this month off that we have, you know, the month off where you're just training at home or training wherever you're at to get my body right, get ready for, you know, the camp schedule and how many times I'm going to be throwing a ball a day and obviously get a jump on the playbook and study and film.

So I would say the transition has been going really well. I'm putting a lot of time in. I think that's why it's going well because of how hard I'm studying and trying to prepare. So I'm excited to get back to camp. And I don't want you to kill yourself before your season even begins with Mike Tallman or anybody. But what are your expectations going into the season?

And how's your relationship with Big Mitch Trubisky? He obviously knows the deal, too. He's been around the NFL. We all can kind of see what's taking place. How's your relationship with him? And what are your expectations of this upcoming season? Yeah, we have high expectations in that building. They've been an unbelievable franchise since this really started.

So I just want to continue that greatness. And Mitch has been awesome. Really every quarterback in the room has been awesome. You know, we all work together. We bounce ideas off each other. He's been a great, you know, resource to have, along with all the other quarterbacks when I have questions. And, you know, they've been in the league for some time now, him and Mason.

And then, you know, Chris Oladukun came in with me, and we've been kind of attached to the hip. And we do pretty much everything together, extra meeting time meeting time film going over the playbook and everything so it's really everyone's kind of moving towards the same direction we just want to win so there's definitely high expectations coming in the season your biggest fan tongue digs your question hello Kenny so when Sid was drafted by the Penguins he lived with Mario Lemieux for a few years. Have you thought about maybe living with Seven for a couple years just to gather some knowledge from here? I mean, 18 years the guy.

Has he reached out to you at all? Have you thought about living with Ben at all? He's reached out. He didn't offer me the guest room yet. Maybe I can touch base with him again and see if that's up for grabs, but not as of yet. What have some of the older quarterbacks told you about what to expect in the league versus what you had in college?

What are some things that have maybe been passed down like this is what you should prepare for? Yeah, I mean, length of the season, obviously. You know, they added another game in the three preseason games. So making sure you take care of your body, your arm especially, depending on how many reps you get throughout the week, kind of managing that aspect of it. Taking it a week at a time too. Everyone says as a rookie, this is just a really long year because you're going in

from your, you had your season, you're getting ready for a combine and the stresses of that and the draft, and then you're ready to do your rookie year. So it's been going well, I'm just taking it in stride, honestly, day at a time. I'm really enjoying it, love the team that I'm on. So I'm just, you know, having fun doing what I love. But, you know, it's just taking it day at a time, really. I do not judge this because I have plenty of friends that can throw a ball 75, 80 yards with gloves on that are wide receivers, and they'll catch it,

and they'll be able to huck it, and the grip helps. But it was obviously something you were judged for during the entire draft process and who's judging you well probably people who have other interests in mind like maybe somebody that they would like to see get drafted before you and there's always the judgment but plenty of quarterbacks kurt warner peyton manning just to be a couple of them teddy bridgewater had a lot of success to use the two gloves when did you decide to go to the two gloves? And have you noticed any difference between a college ball, which is maybe a little bit easier to handle, to an NFL ball while you're throwing it? Yeah, man, you're going to be familiar with this one.

I think, you know, I did it once my sophomore year, but really after that North Carolina game that you called, I stuck with it after that game. So you could take some pride in that. After that game, I kind of stuck with it. Coach Whipple's like, you know, it doesn't have to be cold to rock the gloves. So I wore them since then on out. So, you know, it worked out well that game. It just kind of felt more comfortable. Stuck with it.

I mean, I feel great throwing the ball in the NFL, too. So it's just kind of something that I enjoy. And I just feel, you know, more comfortable with it. So I can't throw a college ball pretty anymore because I'm an NFL ball thrower. Like, that's a legit thing. Like, I can't. It's hard for me with the way I handle it and the way I throw. Like, the Duke is the best ball on earth.

I mean, an NFL ball is the best ball on earth. It is amazing. I can't throw a college ball anymore. Did you have that type of issue when you were transitioning to the NFL ball? Or was it like a fish to water almost with your entire throwing motion? Yeah, well, the year prior in the offseason, I kind of threw in an NFL ball in my training a little bit just kind of to have a feel for it and see how I liked it.

And I kind of was using both back and forth. And I felt good using both. So when I got to training this year, there wasn't that. I know a lot of guys have said that there was a little bit of a period where, you know, the ball wasn't coming out as clean as they'd like it, and they kind of had to get used to it. But I think, you know, thinking to last year, going back to it and mixing in my workouts, it actually worked out pretty well for me.

Did you play baseball growing up? I did. Were you a pitcher pretty good or no? Outfield, outfield. Oh, athlete. It's killing my golf game. The slices. That's what everyone says.

I have a slice because of the baseball. Yeah, I got to figure that out quick. Got to keep the elbow tight. Yeah, you got to keep the elbow tight to the body. Come out of the pocket. I used to be a big-time slicer. Now, my golf, I'm going as flat as possible almost too too flat of a swing it's like well you should see the fucking other one the other one is is gone out there now

you're a quarterback you're gonna have to golf have you always been a golfer or now you're getting inducted into the qb fraternity of oh we golf all the fucking time yeah i i get i get invited a lot of i love playing scrambles like i've played scramble last week, and I go last off the drive because if they hit a good one, I don't even go. I just pick the ball up. I'm like, let's save the ball, and I'll just drop with you guys because I play in the other fairway pretty much every time. So everyone's starting to invite me out to golf, and I've got to figure it out.

Dan Marino invited me to go down. I'm trying to get the game right. Lively round. I head down. Jesus. I mean, Pickett, you're a fucking first-rounder, a quarterback for the Steelers. Get some service. I mean, this is, you know what I mean? This is unbelievable. Come on.

You cut out in the middle there. We'll call you back. Let us call you back in like two seconds here. Dan Marino was calling him out there, by the way, to Alpha him because he took all Dan Marino's. For sure. He's asked around, how's Kenny's game? He hits it a long way, but he has no idea where it's going. Hey, Ken, I was wondering. Come on now.

I was wondering if you wanted to come golf tournament around all these big sponsors and business people around Pittsburgh. Didn't know. Hey, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Kenny Pickett. We got a better connection. That's on our side, not on your side. Hey, you know, Dan Marino invited you there to alpha you because you took all his records

at Pitt and he heard you weren't that good of a player. He's like, let me. Hey, won't you come on fucking out here and golf with the boys? Has Dan Marino always been in contact with you because of the University of Pittsburgh connection? And obviously he's a big-time Pittsburgh guy, fucking loves the city and everything like that. Yeah, yeah. Once in a while I will reach out.

And I was with him actually for the ACC championship game the night before. He was getting honored and I had the ACC player of the year honor. We kind of was with him actually for the acc championship game the night before he was getting honored and i had the you know the acc player of the year honor we kind of sat with each other for that that event it was awesome my family got to meet him my fiancee got to meet him so it was great uh congrats on the fiancee here we go hey forever's a long time it's worth it it's worth it though it's 100 worth it forever's a long time it's worth it um i've enjoyed the hell out of being married i I assume some of your teammates will tell you opposite because I heard that sometimes in the locker room. And I'm like, well, it sounds

like you're not in a great marriage. Okay. Let's hope that mine is not that way. So remember, there is some fantastic marriages out there, even if you're told opposite from maybe some other people. Do you think your athleticism doesn't get talked about enough, especially because your athleticism changed the fucking rule in college football? and do you think that is something that maybe people would

be surprised in the nfl because it wasn't really chatted about in the draft process that fake slide thing changed the game completely not just the game you're in but i mean people were pissed kenny hey hey there's defenders like nfl guys who were like what are we supposed to do fucking take his head off like everybody Like, everybody was mad. Everybody was mad about it. But I think what isn't chatted about is how athletic a move like that actually takes. I would have blown both of my knees out doing a little slow thing like that. Do you feel comfortable and confident with the speed in the NFL?

And do you think you'll be on the move at all, or are you throwing the rock all the time? Yeah, man, I think it's definitely an aspect of my game i'm excited to show and um i think the game's kind of changed when you look around the league a lot of guys are athletic and they extend plays and that's how a lot of big plays happen um so that was something that coach whipple kind of you know it really helped my game to keep my eyes down the field and find the receivers and make it big time plays so that's something i think i'll definitely use and coach canada's offense and he naturally kind of integrates it with how he moves the pocket and does a

lot of great things. So I'm excited to, to kind of show that this camp. Yeah. You were just the white guy with small hands during the entire negotiation, your entire draft process. And then you see some videos. It's like, Hey, the fucking guy can move a little bit. He can move. You can extend a play if you had to. Like I don't know why that wasn't chatted about it strictly because they weren't other people drafted another stupid Yinzer nick go ahead pal uh ken you're obviously

putting in the work with the guys uh getting ready for the season and everything but if you had a chance as pat always says a team comes together better over a keg or around a keg than kale so have you had a chance to kind of go out with any of the guys and get a beer and kind of bond a little bit or has it all been strictly business so far um no we had a chance to kind of go out with any of the guys and get a beer and kind of bond a little bit or has it all been strictly business so far um no we had a chance actually we went to kenny chesney so i'm sure you guys are familiar with how that goes that was an unbelievable time um you know really really enjoyed that had a little sweet had a bunch of guys up there we were tailgating and everything so that was that was some good camaraderie we to call the night a little early. It was getting a little out of hand,

but it was, it was definitely something that, that we're all gonna, you know, that's a good memory to have going into our first season. It was some rookies had some veteran guys there. It was awesome. When the sun goes down, we got to get out of here cause everybody's too fucked up. Do we have a back door out of this because everybody's too fucked up. We got to. Do we have a back door out of this whole thing? Leadership, big deal.

Pittsburgh Steelers are like a college, you know, not just because they share a building with the University of Pittsburgh, but because veterans and alumni seem like are more welcome back than anywhere else. I might be mistaken, but it feels like the OGs are around a lot. Have any of the older Steelers players reached out or talked to you or met with you? Or are you planning on that happening probably during training camp? And what are your thoughts on the Steelers organization now that you're inside of it a little bit more? Yeah, man, it's definitely you can see why they've had success over the years.

Just really it starts from the top down with, you know kevin and coach tomlin and how they run the building it trickles down from there but you know i'm next to cam hayward and connor hey where his younger brother's next to him so we're kind of in that little corner uh talk to ryan chaiseer cam sutton's been awesome obviously tj wad minkah fitzpatrick i'm listening to all these guys and uh when you walk in that building they kind of just treat you like you know like you should be treated as a teammate and they're always looking to help out you can see why like I said they've had so much success over the years so it's just a great place to work and every time I walk in there I'm excited to be there and you can tell everyone's you know excited to get to work and

they want to be there you know they don't have to be there I think there's a huge difference in that so you know everything everything feels you know the way it should be, I feel like, in an NFL, you know, team. And I'm excited to be a part of it and kind of help chase more greatness for us. Hey, an NFL quarterback is, like, viewed at having to do all the shit. Like, hey, you got to be there early. You have to show face in these meetings. You got to do this because you're the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, whether you like it or not, a quarterback in the NFL. Have you always been that type of guy?

Because I think all reports are like, great teammate, great leader, has all the moxie and the character traits. But is that something you have to intentionally think about? Like, as a quarterback in the NFL, you are expected to do the shit that's out of movies, not real life. You know what I mean? Like, Peyton, I'd watch Peyton. He was actually in there before everybody else, like actually in there before everybody else, even though it's only talked about whenever there was a downtime, he's actually running sprints so that we all

fucking see him run sprints too. You know, like, okay, this guy is a movie character of what an NFL quarterback is. But I think that is actually how a lot of the greats operate. Like they might not be natural for them to do such a thing, but they understand the position that they're in. It's no longer a high school or college operation. You're a fucking NFL quarterback. There's only 32 spots. Have you thought about that at all? Does that change the way you go about your day to day now that there's an added pressure

of a billion dollar operation on your shoulders in the future? your day-to-day now that there's an added pressure of a billion dollar operation on your shoulders in the future and what are your thoughts on that entire nfl quarterback kind of cliche expectations as a whole yeah i think that's the good thing about how i was kind of raised with you know my dad was a big football guy um kind of taught me everything in terms of work ethic and then when i got into college i got into a big routine i went to the manning camp and got a chance to meet Peyton and, you know, build a relationship with him and just have him kind of go through his routine of a week. And I took that and brought it to Pitt and I kind of built it. And now it's just kind of a lifestyle and what I like to do and how I like to go about my day is getting that routine. And once you become comfortable with it, it's just like you don't think about those things. You're just doing it because, you know, you're chasing, you know, you want to be the best.

And you have this routine that you feel comfortable with. You know it works. You did your research on it. So I'm a big, big research guy. I kind of like to ask a lot of questions and it works for me. But it's definitely something you have to do. I mean, I want to do the best and perform at the highest level I can. So I'm putting in all the work I possibly can

be to be as prepared to go into this season and compete. Well, still be a human though, you know? Like, still be a human. And I think that is, some people can't do it. You know, some people, like, I think that's why, and I'm only talking about Peyton strictly because I had to watch it and got to watch it. He, we were

able to have beers together, and then like, the next morning, that son of a bitch is fucking, he's there earlier than everybody else doing everything. And it's like, Oh, this is why he's Peyton Manning. And I don't know if Peyton loved doing that or if Peyton same thing as you, it just became a lifestyle whenever he saw his dad and when he saw his family, it's like, Hey, this is just how it goes when you're a quarterback, it's different than everything else.

And I think watching you experience that is going to be fantastic over the next couple years. Tomlin and you, how's the relationship? Good dap-ups, I assume. I heard he's a great shit-talker. I assume you are as well. How's your relationship with Coach T? He's great, man.

He's everything you could expect. You know, he coaches you hard. Same with Coach Canada. He actually recruited me to Pitt, and I never got a chance to play for him. Now I can, you know, finally get that opportunity to play for him. And, but it's been great. Yeah. Like you said, he is a great shit talker. We go back and forth. He asks us if we're ever going to throw the ball down the field. I'm like, man, you're playing all this zone, play some man to man and try and put it over your head. So I'm excited to get to camp and continue to compete with him in the defense.

And like I said, it's a good competitive atmosphere, man. Everyone's going at it every single day. So it's the kind of way it's really what you want, in teammates and to be on a great team like that. Hey, you survived Southside for five years at the University of Pittsburgh. Congratulations, man. Honestly. Hell yeah.

It's not easy. Those of us that have been there know it's not easy. Dude, that place, yeah, man. I don't know. It's not easy Those of us that have been there know it's not easy That place I don't know I can't say I go out and talk to you all That place is brutal Yeah it's smart yeah he won a couple times He said I'm gonna not do that

We just lost your service again with you but I think that means The universe is telling us to shut the fuck up We appreciate you so much man Good luck this off season We're all very very pumped to watch you become an NFL quarterback. Your journey is going to be one that's fantastic. And good luck with everything, brother. Awesome, guys.

Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Hey, man, I'm happy that me and, you know, Hasselbeck and Adam Amin and Molly McGrath said, hey, you should wear gloves. Yeah. And look at you now. Here we are. Look at us.

Thank you, man. Hey, no problem. No problem. Good luck out there. You're the man, dude. Am I going to see you Thursday night at Heinz Field here soon? I'll let you know. There you go.

Kenny Picker. Hey, Kenny. Hey, hey, hey, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, Kenny. Kenny. Hey. Yeah. If your first start is a night game, we're coming. All right. Okay. If it's a 1 o'clock game, we're coming. All right.

Okay, if it's a 1 o'clock game, I can't. Can't do it. Sorry. Can't do it. There's a lot of games on. Can't do the 1 o'clock game. I'll be there no matter what. Tone will be there for sure.

Nick will probably be there for sure. We'll get an entire suite, do the whole Kenny Chesney thing, and probably not be able to make it to the end of the game. So let's start hot. Let's start hot. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Kenny!

So let's start hot. Let's start hot. We appreciate you. Ladies and gentlemen, Kenny Pickett. Yeah, Kenny! Sports talk begins. Nice ride. Welcome back to that show.

It is terrible. Yeah. Sports are in an interesting spot right now. I guess tennis is taking place. Wimbledon's going on. Wimbledon's going on. Everybody cares about that for sure. We'll chat with Bruce about what's going on over there at some point. Also,

Bruce has a correction he would like to make after correcting me yesterday on an open microphone on a show with my name on it. Go ahead. Bruce Brown. It's fucking bullshit, mate. Yeah. What's that?

Tommy Fury's got nothing to do with this. Please go on. No. Cause remember I stated something. Well, Tommy Fury probably won't be able to get into America either if Tyson and his dad are both being withdrawn access to America. We'd assume another family member, a brother who's in the same sport,

would also not be able to get in there. Bruce said, no, no, no, you have no idea. I read the Reddit. I read the entire thing. Tommy's just fine. Turns out Tommy can't get into America either, which would make sense because the entire Fury family is currently being investigated for being hung up with a

mob boss who's currently in Dubai. I didn't realize the level of Irish discrimination going on still in this country. That's on me. I should have realized that they would have banned Tommy Fury as well. Well, all good. You are the person that we look for for these types of information, so things are

going to happen as we move forward. Can you move your face one side or the other from that pole, though, so everybody can get a good look at that thing? Zoom in on that, Foxy, will you please? Yeah. Look at, he's wearing a fire department hat right now with that mustache. I don't know if it's stolen valor or not, but Firefighter Week was here a couple weeks ago,

and you would have been getting free drinks everywhere. Good boy, Bruce. You look fucking awesome, Bruce. I'll let you know that. You're doing a great job, too, pal. It's not an easy job, what you have to do. You're in replace of Nick, who is in replace of Ty. Ty, congrats on the baby.

We miss you, pal. Gumpy, we miss you as well. At Boston Connors here. One half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys, Tony Diggs is here. The Tommy Fury thing felt like that was easy to piece together. How did Tommy Fury not know that he wasn't able to come in is

that not something they send you or has he got the duct tape on his hands like snyder with the subpoena yeah i thought that he would have been with tyson in there in his dad when he was going over dad name by john king or something well gypsy king is tyson so this would be the uh the king's father john fury good stuff john fury okay so i had he's great speaker by the way yeah he's been banned So this would be the king's father. John Fury. Good stuff. John Fury. Okay, so I had it. He's a great speaker, by the way. He's been banned from America for a long time, I guess. Tyson now recently banned from America for doing business with said Irish mobster who's currently tied up in Dubai, I believe.

He's being investigated by everybody for some sort of Rico shit going on. Now Tommy Fury has been added to that list. And did Tommy Fury not know he was on that list? Did they know he was on that list and this was just an excuse to get out of fighting Jake Paul? No. Again? I assume that they didn't know about Tommy Fury until we brought up his name yesterday on the show.

The defense? Yeah. Who the fuck? Maybe they're putting a squeeze on him. Hey, you got your little fight. You want to come in here and make a bunch of money? Give us the info we need. What if they would have had him fly over and then trapped him in customs?

Which does happen and is a nightmare. Happy they didn't. I don't know when Tommy Fury found out he was on a no-fly list to America. It is insane what's going on in the world. Joining us now is a man who is an anomaly in this world. He's a college football national champion, a Super Bowl champion, a Ryder Cup champion, a COVID survivor, a

private plane survivor, currently fathering 15 children. AJ Hall. Yeah! AJ, how you doing? Hey, guys. How was Kenny Pickett? Do you guys feel good about the Steelers' future?

I didn't get to see it. That's a great question for Tone Diggs. Tone, how do you feel after the conversation with Kenny? You have to love that guy, right? I do love that guy. I feel great about Kenny Pickett. Nice. What do you say?

I was really asked. I think Tone thinks I'm like, I have, no, I didn't get to see it. I assumed he was awesome. How was it? Well, Tone was kind of like, hey, AJ's normally super defensive about everything we ask him. Yeah. So I'll just play cosplay AJ Hawk when you ask me a question. Is that why you got so defensive there?

It felt like, it felt, don't make that face. Reverse psychology. So what happened? You thought AJ was making fun of Kenny Pickett? Yeah. You didn't like Kenny Pickett's appearance on here, AJ? I honestly did not see Kenny Pickett's appearance. I was asking a question.

How'd you know he was on? He was great. How'd you know if he was on? It should take 30 minutes to answer one question. Everybody fucking knew he was on. We were marketing it yesterday. Literally, we were saying, hey, be a friend. Yeah, but you tell him stuff, and then five minutes later,

he has stuff that he said not to say. Yeah, you're right. You're 100% right. Oh. Oh, see? Look at that. He does usually know, too. He usually at least watches clips not to say. Yeah, you're right. You're 100% right. Oh. Oh, see? Look at that. He does usually know, too. He usually at least watches clips.

He does. Yes, I do. I normally do watch clips. What was the problem with Kenny's interview? You didn't think he did well? Oh, my goodness. Do you want me to hang up and call back again? We can start the show over?

How about doing it? I did not see Kenny pick, and I'm genuinely asking, how was it? I thought he was awesome. But listen, I don't think that you were ignorant to the entire thing and trying to make Tone Diggs or Nick feel terrible about the convo we just had. His internet was horrendous, though. So, you know, his connection was bad. So is that why you brought it up?

You felt like a good connection? Maybe he'll be a Super Bowl champion as well. Just like A.J. Hawk. That'd be awesome. Yeah, I mean, we only have our sample size is small, but the focus group that we have studied, if you, we only have, our sample size is small, but the focus group that we have studied, if you come on this show and regularly have a terrible connection,

you're going to be a Super Bowl champion. Congrats to Kenny Pickett. Nice job. Is that what you wanted, A.J.? Okay, you're welcome. Congrats, Ken. I'm going to go back and watch it eventually because I got no answers from you guys. He was cool.

He was very cool. Good conversation. At the end, he asked me to come to Hines Field on a Thursday or whatever, and I thought that was a callback to me calling his game on a Thursday or a Steelers game on a Thursday. I guess he's talking about the backyard brawl, which is happening again, and I definitely knew that. Hell yeah.

I certainly knew that. Speaking of Ireland, I think you'll be in Ireland. I'll be in Ireland? I don't know. Maybe. I'm not going back to Ireland. I'll be in Ireland? I don't know. Maybe. I'm not going back to Ireland. That place treated me like shit. Isn't that where King's Castle event is at?

Oh, it's Wales. Jesus. They're not all the same. They're not all the same. What the hell are we talking about? That's a part of the problem. What the hell? Come on, Diggs.

So I was at a bar with Seamus, you know, in Austin. Yeah. Jesus. And Seamus has an incredibly Irish accent, clearly, you know, in Austin. Yeah. Jesus. And Seamus has an incredibly Irish accent, clearly, you know, because he is from Ireland. Calls me Patty. Some guy at the bar that we were sitting trying to order a drink, sitting right next to, you from Ireland.

Yeah. You know, Seamus. Seamus with a classic. He's like, how is it over there? And I go, Seamus, tell him. You guys fucking hate Americans. Tell him he should not go. And Seamus looks at me and starts laughing. I'm like, tell is it over there? And I go, Seamus, tell him, you guys fucking hate Americans. Tell him he should not go. And Seamus looks at me and starts laughing.

I'm like, tell him you hate Americans. This would be a lie if you did not tell them. They don't like Americans over there. I have never been called a stupid Yankee more than whenever Patrick McAfee went back to Ireland in my entire life. I guess Dublin's just big city, so it's like New York City in Ireland.

But if you travel outside of Dublin and go to some of the smaller towns, and you accidentally happen into a bar, and you're an American, they fucking hate you. Foxy's been there. Do they not? Try to kick my whole family out of a bar for just trying to have a nice ice cold beer. Wow, your dad was stumbling over drugs.

That's different. Listen, I am certainly hateable. I understand that in a lot of places. But I have not been hated like I have been hated in any other country other than Ireland. Ireland is by far the worst. Is it because, though, are they upset that it's like stolen valor? You're trying to come in and claim like you're such an Irish dude when they're like, no, you're American Irish. I did not.

I had jorts on. I had a tank top on. I'm fucking American, okay? I'm not trying to be Irish. My name just so happens to be pretty reminiscent with this country. I apologize. I was trying to come back and see my roots. County Cork, this is where I'm from. Get out of here, fucking Yankee. All right. What did I do, dude? What the fuck did I? I was coming back to celebrate this thing. Lads. I've never been. I need to check it out. No, you don't. No, you don't.

My daughter, my wife and my daughter went on St. Paddy's Day. I got good videos of them dancing like in a little parade. Yeah, they jumped in. Everyone was super friendly to them. Women and children are okay. Yeah, that's not. Oh, good. Okay.

Real shame not to be embraced by your country of your ancestors' origin. I was fucking bummed. I legitimately was bummed. I'd never be. You have nowhere to go, right? Ifmed i'd never be you have nowhere to go right if they turn you away you have nowhere to go to italy speaking of there was a terrible matteo barrettini oh no who was second favorite to win wimbledon had to drop out this morning why covered still COVID? Still a thing. Mob ties? No. Tommy Fury reason?

COVID ties. Oh. Rest in peace. Thank you. COVID was over. We're still testing? Oh, yeah. Are they testing all of them?

We got Gary Bettman, too. He wasn't able to hand out the test. Oh, yeah. I saw the fake commish. This is the high level, the C-suite variant. He's taking out all the important folks. The teenies. Is that a thing? all the important folks. The teenies. Is that a thing?

And the Batmans. You are an absolute fucking son of a bitch. I mean, hey, it's taking out everybody. What'd you say, Connor? He said it's taking out the teenies. Who's that? Yeah. Exactly.

This is actually a callback to yesterday where he said something incredibly slanderous against the Italians. This is coming off of attacking Carson Wentz because of his hair color. Yeah, he's been body shaming people today. Connor's been doing a lot of body shaming today. I know I'm not. No, I am not. Put the picture of Carson up, please.

Fucking clown. Connor, you don't have to continue to hammer this up. All right? Please. Carson Wentz is a rocket, just like the Washington commander's tweet. What's wrong with this? Exactly. We don't know.

His hands are gigantic. Connor, you wish you had hands like that. Yeah, you wish that a ball looked like that in your hands. I would rather have no hands than look like that in the way that he does in that uniform. You would look exactly like that if they put that helmet on you. No, I wouldn't because I don't have red shit all over my face. You do. What's the deal?

I dare you to listen. Hey, this gets a little longer, I do. But guess what? I don't let it get a little longer because I know that you look like an asshole. He's been in the stand for the last four months. They forced him into coming in and taking a photo. He wants to play football and shoot things with his bow and arrow. That's the face of a guy who says, if I wasn't getting paid $35 million, I'd retire right

now for putting this jersey on. Listen, there's a lot of guys at photo shoots that have that in their eyes if you're to see the truth you know what i mean there's a lot of guys if i wasn't getting paid the amount of money there's no way i'd be putting this whole song and dance on for this little photo shoot routine i'd like to give a shout out to the commander social team for not putting any behind the scenes stuff of qb1 the rocket carson wentz out without us seeing because it's already an uncomfortable situation enough because carson as soon as he put this costume on he knew what was going to be said by like you yeah i think even before he put it on i think when he saw he started breaking down crying i think this photo shoot took like two three hours he showed up in the gold jacket remember yeah burgundy and don't talk about that gold jacket

they had to burn that before he left the building because they said if you put that back on and come in here people are going to bet basically bet us to go all in 17 okay well i think carson's going to find his home in washington they need him to i think he's gonna play better quarterback piss all over connor right from the super bowl parade i hope so oh yeah i hope so don hope so. AJ, don't you? No, I don't. I do, but I don't because then it would also give Connor, like, a lot of pride, too, knowing that Carson called him out in a moment like that.

And golden showered him, yeah. Yeah, hey, I love a good golden shower, but I know that Carson's not going to do anything. I mean, the Cowboys are better than them. The Eagles are better than them. They don't have an owner. They're moving their stadium. All right, so let's talk about the owner.

This is news, actually, AJ, and I think I'll be excited to hear your thoughts on this. Dan Snyder hasn't accepted the subpoena from the House Oversight Committee. There is a full yacht search, yacht thoughts on Twitter. Ladies is the name of his yacht. It is currently on an island off the coast of France that is the home of Napoleon,

and obviously there was a lot of punditry around that where Dan Snyder is escaping to. A little madman who had too much power and abused it. That's what a lot of people are saying about the current owner of the Commanders. I don't know how you don't accept a subpoena. So this feels like a movie to me. So Dan Snyder's defense in this entire thing is as long as it doesn't end up like in my shirt in a pocket in my hands or anything that I am I never officially accepted it so what if he's walking off his yacht into town to get some fruits or something or whatever the fuck he would be doing probably something much more toxic than fruit you get it what if he has you know like Edward Forty hands what if he just has duct tape

around his hands skin tight shirts on with no pockets and they cover his shoes and the subpoena person's right next to him the entire time like trying to get he's like what what where are you gonna put it where are you gonna put it i don't have it i don't have maybe one of those tight skin tight fits that even the green ones yeah yeah like the track the green screen thing yeah yeah the freeze that uh mr freeze guys goes over his head and he's like where you're gonna put it i don't get it and they're trying to stick it in the suit and he can't get it and then he gets back on his yacht shuts the thing and but he's like by the way i got covid so how long can he do this to the subpoena thing and dan snyder is a movie character he is out of a movie it is not necessarily

a great character in the movie but god damn this guy just continues to spiral into his own world of not giving a fuck and now the house oversight committee is going to have to see it from the other side aj yeah the it's very uh creative the ways that he could elude, I guess, being, you know, them subpoenaing him and actually receiving the documents. I guess the Edward Fortyhands does make sense. Like, hey, can't grab it. Can't grab it. But maybe if he just goes dong out straight naked, though, they're going to stay away from him as well.

What are you going to do, stick it between my cheeks? Like, come on, guys. Well, he could sew up all his orifices. Like, he just knows, like, that'll keep him away, right? Well, he might be able to put it through the cheeks there, you know, a credit card type situation if he's walking around nude. But I assume. Dan's going to spread his legs.

Be like, no, it didn't stay. Well, Dan's got no kicks too, probably. I don't see him just got no kicks. That thing's probably just flat as goddamn whatever you got to do. Back ass. I hate to change the subject because this is a great conversation. We'll have to dive back into it because it really is the only news. Joining us now is the NBA insider.

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of about 7,000 stories right now. So we apologize for taking your time from the athletic and the stadium. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Charani. Yeah, Sean! How are you, dog? Pat, I'm good. I'm good. It was good joining you guys last week. We talked gentlemen, Sean Charani. Yeah, Sean! How are you, dog? Pat, I'm good.

I'm good. It was good joining you guys last week. We talked about Kyrie last week. I'm sure that's going to come up again today, so I'm excited. Okay, let's dive right into it because we know you're in the middle of a lot of things.

You kind of dunked on Windhorse yesterday. Windhorse goes on ESPN yesterday morning and says that a sign-and-trade option is what Kyrie Irving's looking to do with the new Brooklyn Nets. Kevin Durant is looking to move on as well, even though he's got four years left. The Nets are looking at a world with no Kyrie and no Durant.

Then just a few hours later, guess who shows up in the Twitter timeline? Sean Sharanya. Boom! Kyrie Irving has opted into his player option and four-year commitment to the Brooklyn Nets to stay alongside Kevin Durant. How close was he to leaving? Was that all just negotiating posture? And what does this mean for the Nets going forward, Shams?

Well, Kyrie Irving had three different opt-in and trade opportunities that he could have pursued. And I think when you look at the totality of the options that he had, one of which was the Lakers, I think he had to decide what was most important for him if he's going to opt in and play out the season is he going to go and try to push his way to the lakers and i'm told the lakers they were more motivated by him seeing seeing if they they can get him on an opt-out and then a mid-level deal so that's anywhere from six to ten million

dollars and if you're kairi irving to give up on 20 plus million dollars to go to Lakers in an opt-out situation I just don't think that made much sense for him clearly business-wise it didn't make sense so that option clearly didn't make sense and there were a couple other teams that were poking around at him in opt-in and trade scenario Dallas Miami Philadelphia but at the end of the day he made a move where he said, I'm going to commit. I'm going to go back to Brooklyn. I'm going to opt in. And I reported it last week. There's a reason I reported it. Kevin Durant is considering his options with his future with the Nets. And he has four years guaranteed left on his deal. And so now that Kyrie Irving's back,

he came to Brooklyn with Kevin Durant. he came to finish out his four-year deal you know a lot of it could be listen I'm gonna if you're having second thoughts about being here I like let's commit and do this together and I think that was part of Kyrie Irving when you look at the move that he made two days before the option deadline for him to really have a mic drop moment and say I'm just gonna opt in after all of this and after the conversation, after the Nets gave him permission to go seek potential signing trades, he opts into the season. And I think there was some level of shock around that.

And there's a reason why teams across the league were trying to prepare for the possibility that both Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving were going to be traded this week possibly or next week. But clearly Kyrie Irving were going to be traded this week possibly or next week. But clearly, Kyrie Irving had other plans. He wanted to finish out his year in Brooklyn. But we'll see what the Nets end up doing over the next several weeks. Either way, they have a lot of issues to sort out because I wrote a story this morning. There are a lot of underlying things that need to be resolved.

If this team is going to come back, it's currently constructed. Is Ben Simmons going to play next season or? if this team is going to come back as currently constructed. Is Ben Simmons going to play next season? The plan is definitely for Ben Simmons to be healthy for the start of training camp. He had back surgery. I'm told he's feeling better. He's starting to do more and more.

Again, we want to see Ben Simmons play. We want to see him play. If you think about this roster, you think about Kevin Durant Kyrie Irving Ben Simmons Joe Harris Seth Curry Nick Claxton they've got some guys and do some stuff in free agency anytime you have Kevin Dre you have a chance but to me what I look at pad is if you're gonna win a championship everything has to be rolling on all cylinders right chemistry continuity with the front office management ownership players everything has to gel and there's no doubt this next organization they're going to bring this back there's a lot of work that needs to be done by all parties they need to go do some trust falls out in middle of the woods

get out of brooklyn get into the woods do some trust falls and figure it out maybe take some ayahuasca together. Do whatever you got to do. Kyrie Irving is the best, by the way. That motherfucker will do this anytime he wants and everybody will go, oh. You know what I mean? The whole world is riding the Kyrie. He keeps them guessing. He keeps them guessing.

And I respect that. And I think the level of – he was sure in his decision, right? Like there could have been another path. Do you opt in and enforce a trade? Like that is, that was for sure a scenario for Kyrie Irving is if you don't want to be in Brooklyn, you don't foresee yourself finishing out the year with Kevin Durant. Do you just opt in and make a trade request? But he didn't do that. He opted in and said,

I have my full intention on playing the year in Brooklyn, trying to win a championship. And at the end of the day, reproving why he had to offer last year, guys, five years, $186 million. And then the whole vaccine mandate issue came into place. He missed most of last season because missed most last season's home games because of the vaccine mandate and also the season because the team decided they wanted him to be a full-time player so this is going to be a really one year opportunity for both sides to see if they can recommit to each other if this can work and kyrie irving if he's one of the best players in the league as long as he stays healthy well yeah that's why he's going to be in position to get another max contract next summer be who you can afford to be

kyra said you fucking got it all right this is what i'm gonna do i love it i love everything about it good luck to the nets go ahead aj shams what about uh russ westbrook out in la with the lakers anything new there and how do you foresee this you know playing out russell westbrook opted in he's gonna opt in it's a no-brainer 47 million his future is in la they the lakers want to see this work this upcoming season. From everything I've been told, you know, there have been different trade scenarios that have been thrown out, I guess speculated on. But with the new coach, Darvin Hamm, I really believe this front office group,

this management group, the coaching staff, Russell Westbrook, they all want this to work. And, you know, we've seen Darvin Hamm, Rob Palenka, they've all been vocal publicly saying, we want him back and we want him in a position where he can play both sides of the ball. We want him to be more of a defender. Darvin Ham is going to bring that, and I do believe they feel like Russell Westbrook is the fit for this team. Quick, if Kyrie would have went to the Lakers, Russell Westbrook still would have been able to opt in. They all would have been on the squad together,

and that would have just had to been happy kumbaya? Well, in this situation, because I don't think opting out or taking the MLE was really an actual play. Now, could it have been a threat? Possibly. It's something that people have talked about, right? So at bare minimum, it was a threat. But I don't believe that Kyrie Irving signing for the mid-level exception

was ever a real actual possibility. So if he ended up a Laker in an opt-in trade, Russell Westbrook for sure would have had to have been the centerpiece for that trade. Okay, so he maybe goes to the Nets and then Durant's back, or is there a third team involved? That would have been fascinating. It's not real, so why dive into hypotheticals

if we don't need to do it anymore? John Wall, he does a buyout with the Rockets who paid him like $40 million not to play last year, which still makes no sense to me. A buyout. So he paid the Rockets to get out of there? Is that what happened? And the Rockets were like, yeah, we're not going to play you again.

We'll pay you. We're not going to play you again. How did that work, and why is it the Clippers? Is it because him and Paul George do the nay-nay together in a beautiful fashion well two things one he gave back I believe six and a half million uh Rich Paul and is John Wall's agent I I've I've really believed if he's going to give back six and a half million they've got six and a half million coming back from the Clippers so that's that that's first thing I think John Wall you know I think I would look at that number, $6.5 million,

as a sign for what he might sign for with the Clippers, who have the taxpayer mid-level exception at around $6 million. As far as why the Clippers, I think it's obvious. They need a backup point guard. They also need a guy that could start. I think John Wall is going to have an opportunity to possibly start, come off the bench, play multiple roles. There were a couple other teams he looked at, Miami, New York,

but I think the Clippers made sense on all accounts. James Harden has to make a decision by tomorrow morning. He's going to opt back in right after the year last year. You're going to take $47 million as opposed to maybe not taking $47 million. Is that just a foregone conclusion? Is there anything we should look for in this opt-in deadline of tomorrow morning? Well, he's got a deadline until tomorrow. We've expected an opt-in.

We'll see what he ends up doing. He has until tomorrow to do so. But, yeah, I mean, he's got an option. Bradley Beal's got an option. Bradley Beal's eligible for a $250 million extension this summer. So, obviously, the thought around the league, it makes sense for him to opt out and get to the marketplace. Bobby Portis has an option date, you'd assume. He also declines his option.

He'll go into the marketplace as one of the best big men in the league. Those are some of the higher echelon options for tomorrow. Last question before we get out of here. Zion looks good, doesn't he? Hell yeah. He's got those new shoes coming out. He looks all yoked up. He's going to be all NBA next year.

Everybody all intents and purposes. Hey, man. He looks good. I've said it on the show. You guys are the number one pro Zion show for sure. No question. But we all want to see Zion Williamson not only look like this, but also play at a high level and play and stay on the floor.

You know, one thing to watch going into free agency, John Morant, extension eligible. I expect his max extension to be pretty quick. How long will it take for Zion Williamson to reach an agreement with the Pelicans on extension? Let's stay tuned to that as we get started with free agency in a couple days. Listen, I love the Pelicans. They afforded me a great opportunity to intro Zion third, not last, even though it was on national television because of Zion. But if he wants to weigh his options, maybe get on TV more. I'm with it.

Even though CJ McCollum and the boys down there are going to be a good squad. We can't thank you enough. We know you're in the middle of battle. Congrats on winning every war right now. You're killing it, dude. Keep it going. Appreciate you, Pat. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Sean Charan. Yeah, Sean.

AJ, I found a peanut butter cup that has chocolate. Keto? Uh-huh. Is it dark chocolate, though? I don't think so. Welcome back to the show. This might change the entire future of my life, this thing right here. I don't want to give them credit.

They probably just, everybody saw what it was. They changed my life. You hear me? For the better? Forever. Forever? Forever. Forever. Do you really think this is going to be a consistent thing? If these things will be created forever,

and if what I'm being told on the wrapper is true about these things, which makes no sense because of how good it tastes, how delicious it is, and how it is an actual replacement to a Reese's cup, I can do keto forever. I think I know what that is. It's fucking Quest. These things right here, these peanut butter cups.

I've been out there. Tom Bilyeu started Quest. I was out there. I don't want to fuck no free ads or whatever, but hey, Quest, if you just want to ship a million of these to the office, I would be very thankful. This is a life changer right here.

This thing right here. And this is a better ad probably than Quest has ever had. This motherfucker will save me through this. It tastes like it. It tastes like an actual chocolate Reese's cup here. I've had them. Believe me, I know. They're great.

I don't really ever think of them, but yeah, I'm glad you actually reminded me. So I went to Dick's this weekend to go buy some golf costumes. And on the way out, this thing was sitting on the thing, and it buy some golf costumes and on the way out this thing was sitting on the thing and it looked like it was good on the wrapper but it did it wasn't like the protein bar area so i'm like oh this is gonna taste like shit or whatever person working was like actually pretty good and i was like all right i don't know if this person is up up selling me or whatever so i grabbed it i uh scanned it i wasn't hungry at the time we went and got lunch

somewhere i had my first bite and that was a little anxiety you know because i knew what was potentially happening here like if this tastes anywhere near good this is a life changer for me and this could get my sweet tooth that is the problem of the keto diet kind of satisfied in the entire thing i've been in that thing it like it had some moisture in it it wasn't like the dry cardboard shit that all those protein bars are in and then i had the flavor and it was like oh the texture is real the flavor seems to be good oh my god so obviously the wife went home and ordered 45 boxes of them to us so this thing's a game changer and if quest wants to continue to add on it sounds like you're friends with him of course tell him the fucking mail mall to me these things right here i think

i might want a couple of them now after you've been upselling them so well dude 11 grams of protein one net carb and i don't know how the whole net carb thing works uh but i do know if the if the rapper's telling me it's good for my keto thing i'm in so i'll have a couple of these today a couple of these tonight. I'll stay below 10 grams. Bring those on the course. Those will be great on the course. They'll probably melt. It feels like these motherfuckers melt. Connor's got a little cooler he can bring.

Gotta have a cooler. Your bag probably has a cooler pocket. Your bag has a cooler pocket. My bag? Yeah. If you're bringing that nice bag, Connor's been showing on the internet. It is like the same one, yeah. Alright, let's bounce around and do the next. But anyways, can you tell the Quest people thank you for what they did? I think you just did. Yeah, but like personally.

Yeah, Bill Quest. Tell them thanks. It's been a while. What was his name? Tom Bilyeu. Tom Bilyeu? Started Quest like in his garage. Oh, like Steve Jobs.

So he's a chef. Bad dad. He still doesn't have any kids. Oh, okay. Shout out So he's a chef. Bad dad. He still doesn't have any kids. Oh, okay. Shout out. Committed it again. Dog. Well, I'm happy.

At whatever moment, away from children and family life, that he created this concoction, I am very thankful for. Let's talk about some news here before we get Andrew Mickelson on. The MMA fighter that was formerly of a BYU football team. Bill Belichick is sick of Julian Edelman's impression of him. Did you hear this? Julian Edelman was on I Am Athlete, and he chatted about being and seeing Bill Belichick, and Bill Belichick basically saying, how come every time I turn on television, you're fucking

doing an impression on me? And Edelman said he's still scared of it. I enjoy the thought, though, that Bill Belichick is up on everything that happens outside of that building but you would never ever ever know from listening to him speak uh to the media or how he tells his team to act i got nothing but respect for bill belichick the more shit that i hear about him aj hawk i do too but i i would bet that not even secretly, that he loves Edelman doing his impression. It has to be funny for him. It's not like Edelman's doing anything or slandering him or making him look bad.

And Edelman should ask, what do you want me to do, Bill? You're the only head coach I played for, right? Isn't he the only guy he's played for? Who else am I going to do? Edelman said it's still like a czar feeling, how he's very nervous when he went in to talk to him. And, you know, Bill told him, like, stop doing the impression. I'm fucking sick of seeing me on TV every day.

And obviously Bill is probably joking, and Bill and Julian have a great relationship with each other because of what you just said. But what I took out of the entire conversation that I Am Athlete had with Julian Edelman, Pac-Man has been fucking awesome on there, by the way. I'm so happy that Pac-Man has seemingly found a helm media-wise.

New media. Whoa. Yeah, not that old media. You media wise new media whoa yeah not that old media you know new new media hashtag new media old buddy's probably really upset about this another like pac-man doing well the one dude who freaks out when athletes do well or have podcasts uh his name who skip he no he went on a rant like a month ago three weeks ago just right talking about dr. Talking about Draymond's deal and saying how athletes don't have anything good to say when they have their own show. Probably all the old whites that are on TV.

Yeah. Yeah, I forget. I'll think of his name. It's going to be tough. They kind of all... I think Draymond set him off. Yeah, well, Draymond and Kendrick Perkins in the middle of one right now. Jesus.

The internet. Hey, gentlemen, come on. Listen, I'm staying out of this one. This one is not for me to dive into. But I'd like to let you both know we're both big fans. We're all big fans of both of you. Put your swords down. Put your swords down.

You guys are giving a look into the league and into the association that we haven't seen in a long time. And there's going to be disagreements on the way things are talked about because there's different experiences in the NBA. Hope you guys can put the swords aside. Unless it's a work. Unless it's a work. Which I don't think so with where that ended up at. But I'm going to stay out of it. New media is awesome.

But I do like the fact that Bill Belichick knows everything. He has the pulse of everything. He's the GM. think so with where that ended up at but uh i'm gonna stay out of it new media is awesome but i do like the fact that bill belichick he knows everything he has the pulse of everything he's the gm he's the head coach he's the lead counsel and he also has to keep up with everything happening outside of the building and somehow bill belichick has these superpowers while wearing terrible sweatshirts of being able to figure out how everything works in the world he's a fascinating creature i hope there's enough time whenever it's over to give a real documentary on how and why he was able to accomplish what he was able to accomplish, AJ.

You think there ever will be that? Has he secretly been giving access throughout his career to somebody to film some stuff and to take it down? NFL Films always has, like, it always appears as if after the patriots do something awesome they're able to go back we actually had them mic'd up for the entire season within the building and i think he probably has a real close eye on what's released and what isn't released but when he goes into the hall of fame the unaired footage that they are going to have that i think the nfl films does a great job of keeping the legacy of everybody with the content that they have in store.

And I feel like they only do right by the NFL. But teams can think differently than films. I think there's a lot of shit of Bill Belichick behind closed doors, right? Yeah, definitely. And just look at the past five years. Like the stuff he did with the Rich Eisen and the 100 NFL all-time team. He did like an hour special of that. The HBO special with Nick Saban, where

it was literally just him and Saban talking football for an hour. And then the stuff that you're talking about that I'm also curious is at the end of that, when they finished filming, when Saban and Bill were like, all right, now you guys need to go and take these mics off of us. And then they started continuing to talk shop about football.

That's what I hope that they have. I'm talking about the Do Your Job series, where they were in the meetings that they were breaking down, needing another two-point conversion play. That was shocking that they had films. So did Bill? You think Bill came to them, hey, film all this stuff, we're going to put it together?

No, films definitely came to the Patriots, and Bill probably executive producer. But how did Bill okay it? Well, I think Bill, executive producer, I am the only person that can allow this out but for somebody who you know i guess he instills fear in everybody else who's like oh the patriots are filming the patriots are filming he knows how vital all that information is so and uh also bill at master motivator at the same time he knows hey these guys there's cameras around they know like no one's sleeping in meetings no one's going to

be late you can't you can't like everyone wants to look good for the cameras isn't that what steve kime said yeah it doesn't it keeps everybody on their toes like if there's cameras around he said he's okay with cameras holding people accountable it's almost like what people think they should be doing john cena actually said that last night john cena gave a speech about how the wwe universe made him a better person he felt like he had to be a better person. He felt like he had to be more accountable because of his fame and because of the character he was playing and everything. It made him better. That's what cameras do, right? Everybody

acts how they think they're supposed to act in it. Now, is that their true self? Is it distracting? Maybe, but I've mentioned this before. When I know somebody's watching me and once my life started becoming that, I mean, I'm washing my hands for the full alphabet. That's right. And I'm doing the full thing. It made me

a better, more, because all eyes are, oh, Pat didn't wash his hands whenever he got done taking a piss at an instant name of restaurant. So maybe that is why Bill Belichick did it, but also what else did they catch that we didn't see yet that will only be viewed whenever he's retired and he's gone? I can't wait for it. And what if it is him

just watching all the different clips? What are these fuckers saying? Fuck him. Tim just watching, not saying a word, though, ever. Writing the little stuff down, but nothing. And then our two faces are on one screen up in the corner. Why are these fucking doofuses? Turn them back off, they're nothing.

Why has Julian Edelman imitating me again on this fucking show? Can you imitate somebody else, Joel? Shut the fuck up. That'd be amazing. I hope we have the clips of that whole thing. I could actually see that. I could see him even having a couple people, too. Like, while he is practicing, they have to take over, and they start watching.

I want to see him talk to Alex Guerrero. How was their relationship? Well, I don't know if that ever happened, actually. No, they did. At some point, yeah, he was in the facility for a while. He had access, then he no longer had access. Yeah, exactly. I think that's kind of, hey, go tell that guy to get the fuck out of here.

I'm sick of seeing him. I don't know if he actually talked to him. I wonder if Guerrero, like, didn't heal somebody's hamstring. And Bill was like, that's what I thought. Been waiting for this. Get him the fuck out of here. Maybe he was batting 1,000 for a while. He makes Tom Brady feel better. Okay.

Makes Julian Edmund feel better. Okay. Makes Willie McGinnis feel better. Okay. Makes Adam Vinatieri feel better. Okay. Makes Gronk feel better. All right. Then he fucked up on somebody. Bill's like, that's why I thought he's not batting 1,000. This guy is going to get the fuck out of here. Not up to our standard.

Tom, is that what you want? Our standards winner that got lost right there. Or was there a moment where maybe somebody else asked for their guru to be allowed in the building? And Bill Belichick was like, nah, can't have it. Well, then we got to get rid of all gurus from the building. Cause I think when Bill Belichick allowed Guerrero to start an operation up there, it was interesting to the rest of the league because Guerrero had a crew of people that worked with a lot of teams. I had experienced one of his off springs, I guess, from the TB12 is what it's called now, but it was something before then, who would travel to different teams throughout the seasons. On Tuesday in the Midwest, on Wednesday would be in the North Pacific Northwest.

Then they were off like Thursday, Friday, then they would travel all season, basically doing all the what's that? Liability, liability and massaging tissue stuff, stretching and the electrolytes and everything like that. So there was a lot of teams that were hoping like,

Hey, we should get this just in our facility so that all these teams that are getting the benefit of this are are getting benefit and then boom the patriots were the ones that were like yeah you can actually build a facility right next to our facility you can have access and i remember a lot of people around the nfl were like fuck like of course belichick is doing it when we have all been pitching this for years and years and then i think all the people that were like, no, no, we don't want outside people in the building, felt some real fulfillment when his ass got revoked from being inside.

Everybody was like, that's why you don't let outsiders in the building. But then they go down to Tampa, he's right back in, they win a Super Bowl. So that's an interesting thing where I can't wait to see behind-the-scenes clips of it as well. Yeah, after watching Man of the Arena, especially hearing Gronk talk about it, there's no doubt about it, it definitely helped all of them a lot do you

think it's possible maybe belichick told somebody like one of the players like hey go see the trainers they'll help you out and then instead of going to see the trainers the guy was like hey can i actually just go to the grero people and then bill took that as kind of a shot at the guys that he had in the training room i don't know because they were in the building doing that for years and years and years could have been different opinions too one of them could have said hey this guy's good to go and the other group said no he needs a couple more weeks could have been just multiple situations like that and okay this is what are we doing oh guerrero might have said hey probably need another week and a half two weeks and then the patriots people are like

this is all alleged and could we are just the other way around i'm saying i'm not saying the patriots are pushing people i'm saying saying if you have different doctors and trainers, they're all going to have different opinions on what the injury is and how you should treat it. Yeah, everybody's fixing the body in their own way, with hopefully the same end goal, which is player safety. Yeah, not always the same ending, but always the same goal to get this guy healthy on the field.

Jules talked about that with Jimmy G. When Jimmy G was playing for those first couple games when Brady was suspended for deflate gate and how Jimmy G hurt his left shoulder or his non throwing shoulder in the game and then he missed one game when Jacoby preset came in and then Jacoby tore a bunch of ligaments in his thumb and then all week Jimmy G played and then like on Sunday was Practice and then on Sunday was like, I'm actually not going to play. He took some shots. And so Jimmy took some shots. Marty B took a shot.

Marty B basically called him a bitch or not. Basically, he did call him a bitch. And then Edelman said on the I am athlete. Same exact episode. He was like, I could kind of understand that just because I played through so many injuries and everyone else on the team had. And Jimmy's not playing with a shoulder. Because Jacoby Brissett was torn ligaments on his throwing arm, on his thumb. So he couldn't even grip a ball.

By the way, Marty B was an electric factory when he was in the NFL. He was awesome. Speaking of electric factory, I don't know how many kickers and punters are going to get into the octagon, but I do know that there is one particular former kicker that is currently in an octagon fighting other people and i've only seen one clip one round one knockout he is electrifying ladies and gentlemen i believe he's 3-1-0 in his mixed martial arts career he has not made it into the ufc yet but hopefully we'll be able to change

that because he's got lightning in both of his hands and at least one of his feet. Ladies and gentlemen, former BYU kicker, now professional fighter, Andrew Mickelson. What's up, man? What's up, fellas? Hey, how'd you get into fighting? You know, like, listen, I read your story. Was it Oklahoma State or Oregon State first? It was Oregon State first, yeah. Oregon State, transfer to BYU 2014, go on your mission to Samoa for two years, come back, kick for two years with BYU. I don't know what happens afterwards. Then I see a video in 2022 of you landing 20 bombs on somebody's face

with no kick in sight. How long have you been training? Did you know this is what your future was when you were just a kicker? And how exciting is it when you see a fucking dude go limp and just fall right in the middle of the octagon, Andrew? Yeah, man, that's a lot of questions. Let me go through them. A lot of punches. Let me go through them. A lot of punches. So after I got done playing at BYU, I was just chilling, getting a dad bod.

And I've been a fan of the UFC for so long. And I just figured, hey, what the heck? Let's give it a shot. So joined up with Agyema Jiu-Jitsu and MMA out I've been training there with a fellow UFC veteran named Court McGee. And, um, about a year ago, took my first fight, got in there and got a first round finish. And after that, man, I, I was hooked. I had the bug. So I've been fighting ever since. What was that first fight like? And obviously you say you got to finish in the first round. That had to feel pretty good. But what were the nerves like compared to maybe football walking in there? Well, all eyes are on the kicker, right? So it's similar when you hop in

the octagon. Everybody's focused on you and your opponent. So the nerves are similar. But I would say that the consequences of not performing are a little bit more intense in the octagon than they are uh maybe missing a field goal or shanking a kickoff when did you know that you're gonna be okay like when you started rolling in there with uh uh jujitsu folks did you have any previous experience were you a wrestler or anything like that or just a fan you get in it because i went and rolled with uh uh lytle and mitrione they tapped me out like six times in one minute i think they had me in a double arm bar at one point i'm like all right i feel like i'm a pretty good athlete but this is not my thing did you pick up pretty

quickly that you were going to be good at this and where are you in your level of training you think what is your upside out there yeah man so i've only been training about a year and a half so pretty pretty brand new to the sport compared to a lot of those guys that you mentioned that have been training for like decades um but I picked it up quick I feel like I got a natural ability to throw up them hands and and my grappling is definitely getting there as well um yeah man it's just a ton of fun man I love getting out there and getting after it with the boys. Did you play soccer growing up? I didn't.

I actually played running back in safety, and then I got in a car accident, so I was kind of forced to be a kicker my junior year, and it actually ended up going okay for me. Senior year, had a good season, got picked up by Oregon State, and so I just kind of ran with that just being honest I probably am not a good enough athlete to play running back or safety in in the college level at least D1 and so I just went for it with the kicks man well how's the cardio cardio something that's difficult because I know in the ring that's vastly different than any type of

football cardio it feels like you're in great shape. You look absolutely yoked. Have you always been like that? And is that something that was a struggle in the transition into the cage? The cardio definitely was a struggle early on, but that's something that you develop over time. The more you train and the more consistent you are with it, then the cardio definitely comes. And MMA cardio is unlike anything else, man,

getting in there and striking and grappling and bringing all that together. It, it takes it out of you, but that's been developing. And I feel like I've come a long way there. Um, as far as the physique, I mean, as kickers, we didn't have much to do during practice after special teams units. So we would just go hit the weights, man. And so I would just take that opportunity to work on the bot a little bit. And I've done my best to try and maintain that as much as I could. No kicks in the fight. And obviously we're all incredibly proud of you being your next kicker going in there and beating the fuck out of somebody. Okay.

And I know you don't swear. So I apologize for doing that in front of you, but you can handle it. I know BYU folks are tough. Austin Cawley and I are pretty tight through the whole thing. But no kicking, did you do that because the other person probably assumes you're going to kick, so you trained your hands more, or have you always been a great striker with your hands? So the no kicking was totally intentional, I'll be honest. I wanted to get in there and hurt my opponent,

but I wasn't trying to kill him. so we figured we'd keep the kicks we'd keep the kicks uh in the in the trick bag for for future fights so what's the what's the plan moving forward is this your is this what you do now i mean are you gonna pursue this are you talking to any other organizations like the ufc or whoever else to try to get more fights not talking to the UFC um I'm actually an amateur right been training about a year and a half so I'm not in the pro ranks yet but um but I'd love to see where this takes me obviously I've had a good start right had had some success early on have great training partners at the gym that I'm out of UFC talent that's training there daily so I get to see how I stack up compared to some of those guys and I feel like it's it's there I just got to

keep with it so how much fun was it just I mean it had to be a good time we mean AJ actually said how much fun that had to be. As you're breaking his, right, he's guarding, and you're landing jabs through his hands. And at that moment, I box in the Oculus, you know? And when you're going through their defense and they're actually feeling it, that's when you know it's over, right?

You get that feeling of knowing this is over. Now you just got to finish it. How much fun is that? Is that just, okay, this is what I trained for? to finish it how much fun is that is that just okay this is what i trained for and at what moment do you know it's over is it a look in the eye is it something that happened so i knew i had him hurt pretty early on hit him with a good jab right at the beginning of the round and then kind of got him back on his heels and and i just decided to press and follow up so um to answer your question when

he was guarded up like this i just split the guard with an uppercut and then came back over the top and uh and then finished it with another right and you can feel it when all the power in the hand gets absorbed by your opponent's face you know that they're done so just did what i did and took a bow for it they were great bow by the way i'm a big fan of that and you knowing it's over and not you know the ref didn't have to like stop you because his whole body just goes dead limp back that's dream scenario and i don't want to be like the idiot here but i am going to ask this any Any of your fellow Mormons question what you're doing here and fighting? Is that a thing or no?

Not a thing, man. People love it. No backlash from the church community. That's good news, right? People are supportive. People are all over it. They're probably pumped for you. They're probably pumped for you representing out there. Yeah.

Our boy Taysom Hill has already kind of claimed most of the mormon missile mormon militia i don't know whatever his nicknames are but uh but some of those have been getting thrown out it's kind of fun the storm and mormon dude that's what i called uh austin storm and mormon yeah that could be you i mean austin kind of retired he could hang that up you could use that like it's no problem especially if you're raining down a storm of lightning. The storm environment coming into the octagon. And you're about to get flooded with bombs. That's awesome.

Andrew, when's your next fight? Do you know? Well, as you can imagine, pretty quick after that fight, the promotion reached back out and said hey we've got a title fight lined up for you at 185 or 170 you tell us what weight and when and we want you on there so um i gotta hash that out with my wife and uh we'll get something teed up here pretty soon that's the plan how is the cut? What do you walk around at? Back in my playing days, I was walking around at about 215-ish, but that would put me at the 205 weight class, and those dudes are big, and I'm not ready to play with those guys, so I've been

cutting down to 185, but my last two or or three fights the cut hasn't been super substantial and i'm walking like well low 190 so i think what's next for me is is trying my luck at 170 i think that's a more natural size for me um so that's the plan all right well good luck out there we can't wait to see you get the title keep doing it uh for the kickers and punters everywhere we appreciate the hell out of you entertaining fight hopefully we get to see a lot more andrew appreciate it pat i think it's essential for the brand movement that we throw a for the brand logo on my next set of fight trunks hey we would love to sponsor you man i know you're an amateur am i allowed to pay you is there an nil deal in this entire thing that we can work out no n NIL deal, man. And I think maybe we go one up and get me like a silk rope to walk out in.

Just to put on a show for the people, give them what they want, get the kickers and the punters some respect in the octagon. And then you're going to go knock a guy out with a right hand. For the title. Yeah, for the title. We might bust out the feet for the title. Oh, shit! Don't give away the game plan. Don't give away the game plan.

Don't give away the game plan. Anyway. That's right. We'll have to strategize. Okay. I have your number. We will definitely make that happen. Let us know when the next fight is.

We would love to be involved. We are very proud and thankful for you, sir. Okay. I appreciate it, Pat. You're the man. Ladies and gentlemen. AJ Hawk, thanks for zinging me with the farmer tan line, too. You look good, man.

What do you do for a tanning bed too? And what do you do on the day to day? What's full-time job? Full-time job. I just, I'm a, I have a job in tech sales, but, uh, I'm, I'm punching people in the face in the evenings. Yeah. Here we go. Let's turn the evenings into the daytime. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Mickel thank you buddy that's what aj basically said to rap buddies are we gonna hear sue robinson's ruling or are we just gonna hear why would we though because we're not we don't we're not gonna know the final deal until after the appeal so why would we ever learn hey she

suggests her ruling is 12 games we're gonna wait 42 days and figure out what it really is. The only way we'll hear about it is if Roger Goodell takes her ruling and makes it the ruling. Yeah. Because he'll say, as Sue Robinson. Recommended. Recommended and ruled. We are going to do this. Now, if he changes it at all, he will say,

after consideration and conversation with Sue Robinson and the thing we have decided to go with this. How he words the layout of it is when we'll either learn or not. And the NFL knows they've got to keep this close to the vest because Sue doesn't want it to get out there because it undermines her power if it's different than what she's thinking. The NFL doesn't want it out there because the NFL doesn't want to make Adele look terrible. And the NFLPA knows they've got to do business with the NFL

forever. So this is going to be, I think, very close to the vest. Even though you said to Ian Rappaport, like, are we ever going to hear it? And Rappaport kind of alluded to us hearing it. Zito just said, there is breaking news in my ear. Scary Terry has signed with the Commanders a three-year extension worth

up to $71 million in new money that places him amongst the NFL's top five highest paid wide receiver sources tell ESPN. Buddy Baker, Antonio Bonagora of Exclusive Sports Group, finalized deal with Washington SVP Rob Rogers. There's a follow-up to this tweet, probably with more details Zito just said, but congrats to the commanders having a little bit of positive while dan snyder is batting subpoenas out of the air saying i don't know you know you never get me you would never get me you would never get me uh the new three-year extension for terry mclaren

includes includes a 28 million dollar signing bonus the largest given to any wide receiver and also 76.4 of the new money in deal guaranteed hilarious that we're doing math equations now in the rollout of deals the deal contractually ties the 26 year old mclaurin to washington through the 2025 season where he will only be 29 years old entering his prime and will be able to hopefully cash in yet again carson wentz gets a weapon a weapon that he needed to have thought terry was maybe coming back to indianapolis as he held out uh for mandatory minicamp and wasn't exactly thrilled with everything going on there as you could, young guy became a leader out of the Ohio State. Now he makes money.

76.8% of that money is guaranteed. AJ, how do you feel about it for Scary Terry? That's pretty good. And the best part about all of it, he will be a free agent again before he is 30 years old. So the guy is going to go dip again when who knows what salaries may be by that time. And what wide receivers are getting paid by then. Could you only go up with the way the game is expanding? Congrats, though, to the Commanders getting something done here.

They had to. Yes. I mean, with Dan Snyder going from non-internet having place to another non-internet having place, and dodging subpoenas and batting them like he's playing tag with the oversight committee sure and then carson wentz's photos rolled out and although the commanders called him a rocket other people called him other things and all the news out of there with you know not hosting a world cup game because the stadium's too trash not getting a new site

because the local state whatever's saying no. This is great news for the Commanders, and we are incredibly happy for all of them. Commanders, let's go. Are they Super Bowl favorites now? Well, much better off than if they didn't have Terry. Absolutely. If they didn't have Terry McLaurin over there, think about that. Paying Carson Wentz $37 million, you've got Chase Young on the other side,

a young star. But if Terry McLaurin over there think about that paying Carson Wentz 37 million you got Chase Young on the other side young star but if Terry McLaurin is not a commander is there any upside to the Washington yeah really it's just that d line and then it would completely depend on how their rookie wide receiver from Penn State I think Jahan Dotson that they drafted at like 16 to be clear Ron Rivera said from the or you you don't let a guy like terry mclaurin go anywhere else he's not going anywhere else we've been working on a deal for the last eight days we will get a deal done he's not getting traded we don't care what tweets he likes who he follows who he compliments we cannot let a guy like terry go out of the building because everybody else in the building is watching a guy who came in, was young,

was a leader, did his job, was able to ride the wave of bullshit that was happening around and still put on an incredible product for this team. The fans love him. If we don't pay that guy, everybody else in the building is going to be like, well, who do you pay around here? Carson Wentz is a guy that you pay, nobody else. So Ron Rivera has been very, very vocal from the beginning that they will get a deal done with Terry McLaurin. Here we are Tuesday, June 28th. Dan Snyder's in Napoleon's hometown, and the commanders have signed Terry McLaurin to a three-year deal.

Yeah, pretty huge. I mean, but this doesn't – you're not taking them over the Eagles or the Cowboys. There's no chance. Well, how many poop pipes are going to burst in the stadium this year? How many railings are going to collapse? How many more exposés are going to happen? Will there be a House Oversight Committee?

The Commanders currently sitting at a whopping plus 500 to win the NFC East. Don't think that's going to move with Terry McLaurin signing here. I think that will remain the same. Plus 120 with the Cowboys. I don't think anybody's taking the Commanders over them. But plus 500, not bad money if you think Carson Went taking the Commanders over them, but plus 500, not bad money if you think Carson Wentz is going to get hot over there. Yeah, not bad money, and there's that stat.

Last 16 years, they haven't had that back to back division winner, so it's really just either them or the Eagles. That's right, and that's a good stat to take us to this point. We don't know shit about fuck in the legal world, or in how most of this stuff operates. That's why we are very fortunate that a guy joins us who's been a sports agent.

He's been an executive for a team, the Green Bay Packers. He's signed contracts. He's been in appeal processes. He writes, I believe, a weekly newsletter about everything happening in the business of sport, which is very prevalent right now. And his line is, there will be lawyers. Joining us now, a a lawyer a sports exec a football guy the man to sign this deal to his first 200 million dollar deal number five overall

out of the ohio state andrew brandt how are you boss hey you know uh it was what 16 years ago aj yes 16 years ago this time of year right I'm sweating in my office worried about freaking AJ Hawk because that was before the new CBA where all these contracts are pre-ordained, pre-fabricated, pre-done by the CBA. We actually had to do these deals. And the hardest deals to do were top first round picks because starting way back with with Drew Bledsoe and Rick Meyer, they created these voids and buybacks and options and exploding escalators. These were messes, these contracts. So I had Vernon Davis right above you, no, right below you,

and I had Vince Young right above you, I think. Was that it, AJ? Yeah, Vince was three. Who was four? DeBrickishaw. DeBrickishaw, Ferguson, right. So one was Mario Williams. Two was Reggie Bush.

Three was Vince Young. And then DeBrickishaw and Vernon Davis right behind you. So I wanted to go first because I don't trust these other teams. So I'm trying to get AJ done. and Mike McCartney's a great agent we got along great I've known him forever and man but back in the day that was like a 35 page contract and here's the deal Pat I don't know if you know this so I talked to age late that night we got it we got it done so we get. So I talked to AJ late that night. We got it done. So we get it done.

I'm like, AJ, we need you early because practice is early. You got to sign first. So I need you in the office like 645. He's like, cool. I'll be there. I'm like, great. So I'm there at 630. My man walks in.

There we go. Full sweat. Yeah. There we go. Full sweat. Yeah. Like, like, like just dripping, dripping all over the contract. Put my head under the sink. Dog. Yeah, whatever. Fake it till you make it.

Smoke a mirror. I'm like, hey, where you been? He goes, I had to work out. I had to get a workout. You suits, you suits don't understand. This is my workout time. You fucking, this bullshit. I'm like, dude, you got to practice after this.

He goes, yeah, that's no big deal. Signs it in sweats while sweating over the whole thing. Practice was different back then, wasn't it, Andrew? You could go full pads day one, as many two-a-days, and just kill each other, couldn't you? Yeah, right away. I mean, did you miss a day, AJ? No, never.

I don't think so. I don't believe so, but I do remember the very first day. I walk in the door, a day, AJ? No, never. I don't think so. I don't believe so. But I do remember the very first day I walk in the door and we're strapped up full pads day one. I'm taking on William Henderson at the fullback position. Hey, Andrew, I need you to turn your phone sideways. All right. It's echoing back into the thing.

Did you go before DeBrickishaw and before who won six? Who was six? You said? Vernon Davis. Vernon Davis. We went first. You went before? Yes.

We got it done. Because I saw Reggie Bush and Vince Young had these crazy deals. I'm like, I'm not doing that. I got to get in with this deal. I got to fuck over AJ real quick. Hell yeah. No, I'm joking. You would never do that.

You're a good man. All right. We're going to call you back, Andrew. It's on our side. The phone turn didn't help. Let's call him back. I can't do that. You're a good man. All right, we're going to call you back, Andrew. It's on our side. The phone turn didn't help. Let's call him back. I can't do the echo. I'll lose my mind.

Oh, yeah. I'll lose my mind. Like, whenever you, I FaceTime with a lot of people, and a lot of people don't FaceTime often, and they'll put the, you can turn that sound down, Bruce. They'll have their hand like this, and my voice will go off their hand back into their thing, and I'm like, can you please move your hand just a little bit up?

And they're like, don't be a fucking asshole. I'm like, well, I don't think you understand. The whole thing is echoing through my car right now, which is very large, very expensive. And the speakers are very good. Yeah, you got to move them. So I would like to potentially not do that. Welcome back, the man that signed AJ Hawk to a great deal, Andrew Brandt. Yeah!

We appreciate you, Andrew. Let's dive into this. You did something for us the last time you were in here about cash over cap and really educated the entire world. So whenever you think about this Deshaun Watson situation that's going on, and obviously the reason why we're all

eyes on it is not just because he has the biggest, most guaranteed contract in the biggest league that we cover every single day. Not because he's one of the most guaranteed contract in the biggest league that we cover every single day. Not because he's one of the 32 quarterbacks in the NFL. Not just because, but because this is a domino effect for a lot of different situations that are going to take place this offseason, we all assume. Very serious allegations, but that doesn't have anything to do with Sue Robinson, Roger Goodell. They have to deal with the suspensions as opposed to the civil stuff going on.

What does this process look like and do you think we will ever hear what sue robinson's um suggestion is for suspension if roger goodell doesn't agree with her if we if he agrees with her he'll say per sue's recommendation this is what we're going to do right and all this other shit are we going to hear anything out of it you think andrew i think we will there's so much attention on this. I think we're eventually going to hear exactly what went on. And as we speak, it's going on. You have the NFL PA presenting. You have the NFL presenting about what discipline should be accorded to Deshaun Watson. Now, I think what's going on in this hearing, Pat, is that the NFL is pointing to all the player discipline, right? You got Roethlisberger, six games, one woman, no criminal charges. Elliott, six games, one woman, no criminal charges. Kareem Hunt, one woman, eight games, no criminal charges. Ray Rice, indefinite suspension, no criminal charges after the second video. But the owner, but the player's side, Jeffrey Kessler, he's a beast. He's always representing against the leagues.

He's saying, what about the owners? What about Robert Kraft? What about Daniel Snyder? What about Jerry Jones? Kraft was something that happened in Florida. Jones has had some issues, but his own top executive with some peeping Tom stuff earlier this offseason. And, of course, we know about Daniel Snyder. So will judge Sue Robinson, former judge, federal judge in Delaware, will she accept the argument that, yeah, we'll look at the

owners and they're not getting much. Well, maybe we should pull that in. Or will she say, listen, these guys got six, eight games for no, you know, one incident with one woman. We've got to give an indefinite suspension to Deshaun. He can reapply after one year. That's really what's going to be at issue. And the process, I think you mentioned this yesterday, Pat, is that it's not judge, jury, executioner, which everyone's talked about for Roger Goodell over the years. I call him the conduct commissioner. It is, I would call it appellate judge. So he's not the judge.

He's not the jury. But he's the appellate judge. So whatever happens with Judge Robinson, Judge Goodell is over Judge Robinson. is over Judge Robinson. So whatever discipline comes out, either side can go to Judge Goodell, who's the appellate judge, the Supreme Court judge,

and he can affirm or adjust. That's assuming there's discipline, which I think there will be. Andrew, what could the timeframe possibly be? Let's say that she comes up with a ruling today. I would assume both sides appeal. How long will that process take? Long andrew that's long i think it'll you know i think the understanding and listen i keep getting back to this you think jimmy haslam i mean people gonna have their own feeling about the browns and i've talked about it but he's not going into this

without his guy goodell saying we're're going to know by the season, right? Like, well, he's probably asking him what he thinks it's going to be. And I'm sure Goodell is saying we've got to go through the hearing, but they're going to know by the time we start training camp. And by the way, if he's suspended, he still can do training camp, which is kind of a weird thing, but that's the NFL. I think we'll know. I think we will know by the end of July, if not sooner. You said something on our show the last time you were here that made waves around the internet because nobody really understands what Deshaun Watson's contract is.

We know $230 million guaranteed, but everybody assumed that there would be voids in that contract and outs for the Cleveland Browns. You said that the first two years of that deal, including the signing bonus, are locked in, no way out of that. Is that accurate still? And can you reiterate that fact about how good of a deal this is for Deshaun Watson, who didn't play last year, has the most allegations in the history, and is staring down probably not playing this year as well.

Is his agent, David Mologata, maybe the best contract designer in the history of the NFL? It's the best contract in the history of the league. We have waited for the white whale. I've been waiting for the white whale, the five-year fully guaranteed, like an NBA, like Major League Baseball. Would it be Aaron? Would it be Mahomes? Would it be Brady? Would it be Josh Allen? Hey, it's this guy. It's this guy. He has the strongest, most secure and largest contract in history. And we're going to wait and see if Lamar Jackson, Josh, Joe Burrow, et cetera, are affected by this. It's up to their agents to really press it.

But geez, and let me go through it. We are one is what we're looking at now. So 2022, he's going to make $45 million locked. It's already paid. Signing bonus, $45 million. Done. Done. He can't give it back. It's not subject to forfeiture for suspension. So the only thing subject to forfeiture for suspension is the $1 million salary.

That's it. So if he's gone a year, instead of $46 million, he makes $45 million. And what I said last time, I've been told this by a lead person that looked at the contract that basically said the first two years, there's nothing they can do about conduct that's already coming in with. Assume the 24 lawsuits. Assume what they know. Now, the last three years, there's potential voids of guarantees for new misbehavior. Something else. Something else comes up. Now, the question as a lawyer, I look at and say, OK, this stuff from Jenny Ventress and New York Times, is that new? And I would argue if I'm the Browns, I guess.

No, if I'm Watson, I would argue that's not new. I've been doing that behavior a long time. So it's the same behavior, just more of it in these new articles, in these new reports about what he did with this and what he did with that. So it's a lock solid contract as far as what he's done already. Now new misbehavior go after later in the contract, but this misbehavior he's locked in. I mean, he the guy has 45 million for this year already. Okay. So he's getting 45 million for this year.

The second year of his contract is worth. He's getting $45 million for this year. The second year of his contract is worth? $46 is the base. Signing bonus is almost $9. So that would mean? $54. Remember cash over cap?

Cap is prorated signing bonus. So the $45 this year is paraded over five years, 90 year for cap purposes. Next year's cash is forty six. So you take down you subtract a nine from that or no? No, that's just accounting. That's just accounting. That's cap. So he's at ninety one million over the next two years, losing one million. It could be a ninety fucking could be a ninety two. Oh, yeah. Massive loss. He's only at $91 million.

Well, listen, there is a little caveat. Again, it's technical, but there's an argument to be made that if he's suspended for the full year, his contract tolls, which means it reverts back a year. So 2023 would be year one, not 2022. So then next

year, he would not get the salary, which he would only get the million dollar salary, right? And not the salary for 2023. That's something we're going to deal with legally if and when he suspended a year. But right now, 45 million for this year. And some of that, I'm sure, is used to pay off some of these 20 lawsuits, of course, but that's rock solid. Okay. So if they push back the year, does he still get the signing bonus? He just holds that for a year and then the contract doesn't start basically until next year. And then it's 1 million when he's back, if he was to be back after this year. Now,

this is all assuming he gets suspended for a year, by the way. Yeah. So the idea of tolling is that would start next year. He keeps the signing bonus. Year one is 2023. And now it goes five years from 2023, which is really a six year deal from now. So he's making 45 this year and then the one next year because the one is the salary this year, which becomes next year if it's told. But let's see if he's suspended a year, and then I'll come back and talk more about that. I think he's going to have to be because what you – we talked about – the internet was chatting about Sue Robinson being big on precedent. What has the precedent been before in all of her cases that she's judged on? Allegedly, that's what one tweet, one internet said.

And they were trying to say about what you said there, Snyder and Kraft and Jones and everything. Roethlisberger had two cases. He got six games that it got appealed down to four. That's two. This is 20 that happened that, you know, got settled just like Ben's did. Ben's went to court, got settled. That's 10x that if you start doing some math. There's no way this goes into multiple seasons, right?

That would be unprecedented in this entire thing. No, I mean, they want the indefinite suspension, which is what the word says, indefinite. But after a year he can reapply. And that would mean that, OK, you've been clean for a year. There are no more reaching out. There's no more of this. There's no more of that. They would let him back after a year. But they want that to read indefinite. And that's what they're asking for as we speak. And Jeffrey Kessler for Watson is not going to hold any punches. As I said, he's going to say, hey, Robert Kraft did kind of the same behavior. And Jerry Jones, look what happened in his organization. And then Daniel Snyder. But

the argument for the league with Daniel Snyder is, hey, he was given a $10 million fine and he's is, hey, he was given a $10 million fine and he's suspended for the year. This is supposedly his wife's team for this past year. Now, whether that's been actually true or not, but they can say, yeah, we suspended Snyder for a year. They could say that. Then they will. All right, Andrew, we're talking to you about the Deshaun Watson thing, but I would like to talk to you about something else where being a lawyer will help us.

How do you just refuse a subpoena? Did he duct tape his hands? Does he have no pockets? He has that Mr. Freeze, the guy that runs in the outfield of that thing where he has this tight suit. So the person trying to subpoena him can't stick it in his pocket, can't put it in his hands. Is that what he's doing? He's just batting the subpoena down, saying, nah, I never got it. I never got it. How do you refuse a subpoena in 2022? Isn't that just like a, hey, you've been subpoenaed, which is kind of what happened. And then they have to deliver a piece of mail. How does that work? There will be lawyers, right? He's got plenty of lawyers and his lawyers are fighting this. And I guess this guy came to his door. I think he was out the back door. I don't know. I mean, I think, listen, what's happened this past? Roger Goodell, boy, did he earn, boy, did he give Dan Snyder a solid, didn't he? Roger Goodell's out there answering these striding questions from Congress.

Listen to the guy complain about the flake gate, everything else. And Snyder's in the south ofance too bothered to give him an hour on zoom i mean come on so roger goodell's like hey i'll do it for you and snyder has snyder made a determination i'm better off incurring the wrath of people like you know mcafee and brant and not showing up then i am incurring the wrath of Congress and showing up. So he's made a calculation there, and he's going to try to run the clock on this, maybe until they get a different committee or they run out of time. But the lawyers are fighting the subpoena. I don't know that law, Pat. I don't think you could fight a subpoena from Congress. But supposedly they're working

on dates, right? So Snyder made a statement that wasn't a good date for his lawyer. Of course, the lawyers matter. And they're trying to find another date. We'll see. This is why billionaires are billionaires, though, by the way. You didn't even know law existed. He created one. Yeah, you can subpoena me all you want. I'll push this thing back until next week.

And then the week after that, oh, I got COVID in. My internet's got COVID, too. Sorry about it. And then just pushing it back. It's unbelievable what this dude's been able to do, I think. Yeah, it's amazing that he continues to do this. And like you talked about it before it came on, they're conducting business. Right. So I think the McLaren deal is the continuation of the story of the offseason, which is the transformation of the receiver market we saw with Devontae and Tyreek and Christian Kirk but now we're seeing with the young guys the AJ Brown deal was a

massive one because you have a guy in his rookie deal fourth year of the contract getting that 25 million a year average extension and now McLaren jumps on that if it was just Tyreek and Devontae McLaren couldn't have a case because those are veteran guys that have had more than their rookie deals. But A.J. Brown really changed the game, and McLaren's taking advantage of that one. You should hear me when I make decisions. You know, I sound like a super smart person.

I'm like, can't set the precedent of this. Can't set the precedent of this. Can't have this just because of future. Like, definitely want this to happen, but also can't do it this way because in the future it'll fuck us if we even set a precedent of this happening. That's in everything, huh? That's the world of lawyers, basically. It totally is.

And when I ran the Packers, the whole contract part of it, anything you do, anything, agents and players are going to jump on it so i just you know whatever i did on aj's contract the next year's first rounder was going to jump on it so it's really something where when you negotiate as an agent which i've been you don't care about the team like you're just getting your guy the best deal possible but when you negotiate as a team executive as i did every contract's about the next one. So I love some agents. They were great guys. They like, can't you just do this little thing for me? Can't you? I said, I can't. Because if I do it for you,

there's a line at the door. Right? So I can't do that. And like you just said, precedent is everything. And that's what's going on in the Watson here right now. I enjoy saying, Well, I can't do that, because the Watson hearing right now. I enjoy saying, well, I can't do that because the next person will do whatever it's like, well, have the next person prove that they're as good as us. Case settled.

There is no precedent or whatever. That's what somebody is stating. That's an agent. And on the other side, they got to figure out their world. Andrew, we appreciate you breaking things down for us, pal.

We're always very thankful for your big brain. Thank you for being on call today. In case we heard anything, it sounds like we're not going to, but if we do, we will hopefully call you back. Ladies and gentlemen, hey, how can we find more from you? I appreciate it. Andrew Brandt Twitter, Andrew Brandt 2, Instagram,

where I'm doing these reels now all about this kind of stuff. And my newsletter is andrew-brandt.com. Here we go. B-R-A-N-D-T Absolute Legend. We can't thank you enough, ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Brant. Thank you. Thank you, guys. No, thank you. I should know that

stuff, by the way, so I don't have to ask him, but I want to make sure I get it right. Yeah, exactly. Especially spelling. Hey, his Instagram, those reels are the real deal. Yes. All right, AJ. That's a show, huh? That's a show right there. Wordplay.

Always good to end in wordplay. I love it. Speaking of wordplay, fuck it. I'm on a quest to get a thousand of these. Boom. You hear me?

Yes. Are there any different flavors or anything else? Don't need it. Don't need it. Just give me the peanut butter cups. I don't need anything else. It's not broke.

Don't fix it. Don't eat it. Just give me the peanut butter cups. I don't need anything else. It's not broke. Don't fix it. Thank you. Quest. So if it's anything less than a year or indefinite, then we know that the NFL PA and Sue didn't, they ruled against the NFL then? Because the NFL wants indefinite. So that means Kessler got to win.

Yeah. He figured something out. Unless they settle. Yeah. Anything less than a year is a win, right? For the NFLPA and Deshaun? Yeah. 16 games.

They don't want it to be indefinite. If they said, hey, this season, couldn't they say, what, 17 games of this season or whatever? Or that's much better than indefinite. Indefinite has to reapply whenever he's. Could get suspended another four games next season. Yeah. all right yeah you're back uh week five for this upcoming season that's why the indefinite thing is so strong as opposed to just one season whenever raj decides wherever they decide you can come back all right we'll keep an eye on it hammer dons in about 15 minutes can't wait to watch how's gumpy you guys hot on the bets right now

yeah baseball this is good time this is hammered downtime this is hammered downtime last night it was 500. I mean for me I think I'll be did great so hell yeah we miss you Ty we miss you gum is your boys big thanks to Kenny pickets I'm Sharanya Andrew Mickelson uh hey byu more storm and more of a guy you know what i mean you know every there's a lot of athletes if they're mormon that they call them the storming mormon i know but we just steal it from them and just not afraid of ping i mean but my buddy people called him that not anymore is he still mormon yeah sure committed storming oh he's storming. He's not storming the octagon like Andrew Mickelson. No, but he's a 42 dunking a basketball shirtless. Showing off his big bad brads.

Yeah, he's not as good as big bad brad, but some of those, and maybe this is me just judging the Mormons and I shouldn't do this, wildly attractive, wildly athletic. mormons i've met now i've only met them in the nfl so they're going to be that's a nice it's a good judgment you're making a judgment on them it's pretty good well book of mormon the dog i'll take it so yeah there was a uh tick tock scandal that swept across the mormon community as well she was good looking what happened yeah a bunch of hot moms all swingers yeah mormons yeah with who with their husbands yeah each other they all get with each other's husbands yeah they had a whole group yeah she's got a good tiktok yeah she's got a good tiktok what that's not illegal is it no no they're

just people are just like what the hell i'm not saying polygamy he's not illegal, is it? No. No, they're just... People are just like, what the hell? I'm not saying polygamy. He's not married to me. He's saying they're all just swapping out, right? Yeah, they're all just swapping. Yeah, it didn't end well. Yeah, I didn't think that normally would. Yeah, it never does.

No, it doesn't. Have you ever had a friend that's been a part of the swinging community? Yeah, I've had a couple of friends that have been in really weird, open situations. Yeah, me too. Always ends well. Yeah, how's it work for Bob?'s weird no definitely not bob i've i've sat down to have some drinks with somebody and they start laying out how their relationship is i'm like that's you're not in a relationship yeah yeah it's the best type of relationship you know she gets a shoe on so i get what i want

and we love each other i'm like all right then like i don't know what eight months later yeah she loves somebody else a little bit more yeah and everyone guess she swung away never would have guessed it was fun though it was absolutely fun or the guys i'm sure you know guys that yeah they have they're living in an open relationship they can do whatever they want like oh cool so your girl does that no absolutely not she can't do anything no oh cool this is beautiful i'm sure that's gonna work out so i've never met anybody like that but i could assume that that exists and it's like it doesn't last long yeah that sounds like a cake and eat it too type situation always always ends up working and i would once again say doesn't sound like you're in a relationship right no it's not you tell me

but i'm too dumb to understand those things i'm too dumb me too that's on me i do enjoy the combos though whenever i get trapped in them oh they're the best here we go here we go because i guess there are some uh summer couples that like last people make it work right yeah like forever like last forever and do it all right have you ever heard of a situation like this working is my question. Yeah, absolutely. They got their phone. Look at this.

I'm friend with them on Facebook. They've been married 20 years now. I'm like, all right. Well, okay. I guess there is precedent on this having success. I'm not 100% sure. But, hey, whatever makes you happy. Right, AJ?

Yeah, man. I don't judge. Whatever you want to do. Life's hard enough. You know, if you want to add even more drama and complication, then it'll make you better. Whatever will make you happy, go ahead and do what you got to do. I absolutely love it.

We're back tomorrow with an average show. I think. Yeah, probably. I mean, two days in a row we've had good news, so we're kind of due for one of those days. Above average. Very above average. What was the good news today?

I'm not like good news. Just news. Good news. Shit to talk about. Good news. Yeah. We talked about three subjects for three and a half hours. Carl Wentz and his commander's jersey good news.

You were so fucking rude to that guy. So rude. Sorry. Yeah. Still are. Sorry about it. He wasted a year of this city's fanhood. What do you want?

He did. Put his body on the line. No. By his own accord. Yeah. He wasted a year of this city's fanhood. What do you want? He did. Put his body on the line. Not by his own accord. Yeah. He didn't have to. And that's the thing about the commander. He's too tough for his own good. He's got two top 100 O-linemen.

Is Carson Wentz supposed to be a tight end? Could be. Maybe he should try him out a few times. I think he's supposed to be a free safety. No. He's a big boy. Yeah. He should go down to TEU if it doesn't work this year with the commanders.

Make a positional change. Oh. And just become fucking top five tight end just like that. Him and Logan Thomas should just switch because he was the quarterback. Now he's the commander's tight end. They should just swap this year. Have him go back to quarterback. What's Logan Thomas' contract?

Logan Thomas started quarterback for the Commanders, making $350,000. Starting at tight end, Carson Wentz getting paid $35 million. Thomas actually got a nice extension last year. $3 or $24 million less. Yeah, but he did tear his ACI. Let me just say, I have a blister on each one of my feet, on the backs of my ankles, on the backs of my ankles. Okay. And it hurts unbearably. I couldn't imagine playing quarterback with two sprained ankles.

Me neither. So I think we need to... Are you golfing in those socks? I think you need to refresh your memory here and give a little more respect to what Carl was able to put together. Absolutely respect his toughness. Son of a bitch. He lost to Jacksonville with the playoffs on the line. Well, he lost the last week before that. The team lost, not just him. Sure. The team goes to the playoffs on the line. He also lost the week before that.

The team lost, not just him. Sure. The team goes to the quarterback, I thought. What was the final score? Like 24 to 11. But I think they had two possessions that started inside their own 30 because of Carl. It's tough to score down there.

The field compresses. Well, and also the humility and the clans. A lot of clans. A lot of clans. Yeah. Listen, Carson will be. Carson's good is great. His bad is just what the fuck.

Maybe he's scared of clowns. That's something to think about in the NFC East over there. I'd love to see Jerry World all just decked out and clowned. Scared of clowns. Yeah, that's a fucking movie. What's that, John Wayne Gacy? Yeah. Waterloo Island.

Pennywise. You ever heard of him? I Wayne Gacy. Yeah. Waterloo Island. Pennywise. You ever heard of him? I have. I didn't grow up with him. I didn't grow up with the whole fear of clowns because I never watched any movies. I guess there is people that are scared of clowns. Yeah, I didn't get it either. I was always a big, oh, what's that fucking freak wearing a paint job?

They're in the sewers grabbing people's kids. They're grabbing your legs. Yeah, I don't like clowns. I would wish a mother. In our sewers, if you were able to survive that thing and still be able to grab somebody our little group of savages if we saw some adult hanging in the sewer oh my god that'd be so much fun what are you doing hey pal we got nothing else to do today like you you ran into the wrong group of kids here we're they're gonna we're just gonna

ride these bikes around town we're gonna go to the mall or hey guess what we're doing we're kicking a clown in the fucking what little kids were getting picked up where's that your town up there well i mean this is a clown that's not from this world i got no problem dropping firecrackers down there none taking a piss down there none i don't know if this actually happened did it uh i think it happened in a movie and jdw steven king novel why would if that would have happened in a movie. In a movie, yeah. It was a Stephen King novel. If that would have happened in our neighborhood, that would have been something to do for like four or five days. Hey, everybody want to go kick the clown in the sewer?

We would have beat the shit out of that clown. Shit out of that clown. Bunch of sticks. It would have been so much fun. Our town is the worst, obviously. We've learned that as we grow older, but that is something that I do wish would have happened. That book would have been eight pages long.

You should have seen this fucking clown. We were selling tickets. But that is something that I do wish would have happened that book would have been eight pages long We were selling I was selling tickets already I was ten years old I was some $5 tickets to kick I had no ownership over the clown or the thing but I was able to get people to give me five bucks perfect Yeah, people are deathly scared. Oh,. Oh, yeah. I think my wife is scared of clowns. I get it. I don't know. Why? It's just some weirdo.

It's probably from... Yeah, exactly. Some weirdo. Yeah. Remember the time when the clowns were walking around being weirdos? Yeah, I did not like that. Running at people with knives. They were popping up in the edge of the woods. Yeah, they were dancing in parks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Maybe it was Bill. Everything. Just remember... All right. No need for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Maybe it was Bill. Everything. Just remember. All right. No need for that. I'm sorry, Bill.

It was not you. I did not mean that. Could have been. Don't kill me. He's 30 seconds behind. Hold on. It's about to get to him. Is he really?

Yeah. Yeah. Come on. He's coming. Oh, he just got to me talking. And boom. Oh, you just got to me talking Yeah, it was actually in Indiana I did stand on the edge of a bar Okay, so I go if I saw a bill in a clown costume. I would be freaked out. Yeah

Just big old shoes. He's flopped around with big red shoes. Here comes Bill. Here comes Bill. Bill Wayne Gacy. Bill. What the fuck did I do to you, AJ? Yeah, what happened? Bill, you heard me instantly apologize, Bill. And put your name in thumbnails. What do you want, dude?

What do you want from me? What's your deal? I don't want anything. I just want safety, Bill. I love you. You know that. I was just, I instantly apologized. I did not mean that.

But if you were dressed as a clown with big red shoes, it would scare me to death. I wasn't. They were terrorizing my college campus if you were dressed as a clown with big red shoes, it would scare me to death. I wasn't. They were terrorizing my college campus, though. It was terrifying. Hey, that's one of those things where you're automatically baby-faced, right? You can just go punch a clown. Yeah, exactly.

Everyone will cry. They had knives and shit. Aaron Donald, probably plastic. Anyways, I do feel like I missed a lot of everybody's childhood because I didn't watch anything. I'm happy I missed the whole be scared of fucking weirdos in pain. That is awesome because I watched a lot of stuff and I'm scared of everything. But not clowns.

No, I am scared of clowns. With knives or just without knives? Not like... How many clowns have knives? Like party clowns I'm not afraid of. But if you're a clown standing in the wood with knives, I'm a little scared. Yeah, because other things that that person has done, you think, not just being the weirdo in Facebook. I just don't think I could survive a clown attack with a knife if I'm not.

How do I make sure my kid is just oblivious and ignorant to everything like I was? No TV. Kick a ball. Keep me in a bubble. No TV, no phone. No TV, no internet, no money. Bingo. All right, you're living it.

It'll be easy. Simple. That pretty much guarantees they will be a weirdo, I think. 50-50, because you watch that doc about phones. Yeah. What they do to your brain. Social media thing. Yeah.

Small doses, maybe. That's crazy. That has to be scary, having kids right now, by the way. Like, legit, shoot kids. Like, teenager kids, the That has to be scary having kids right now, by the way. Like legit shoot kids. Like teenager kids, the algorithms are preying on your kids right now. Yeah, my kids aren't really involved in too much, but yeah, they definitely are in that world. In the filters and making people want to look a certain way. Likes.

Can you microdose your kids with a phone? I don't know. Yeah. At what age can you start giving them hallucinogens? Whenever you want. 16 maybe? Bruce just did that. What?

At what age can you start giving them hallucinogens? I look at the room and Bruce is 16? That's a hilarious number. What kind of hallucinogens are you giving your kids? Probably just shrooms. Whatever helps them fall asleep. Just shrooms.

Whatever makes them not think the clowns are scared. LSD. Rub a little on their gums. I don't know. Mushrooms or gummies. Okay. I don't know. And by gummies, I'm not talking the edibles I'm talking about.

Yeah. Cookies or something. What? Mixed men. Actually, you got to put them in peanut butter is the best that I have found. Chocolate pudding is good. Grilled cheese. People had pizza and it was like okay you can still taste the cow shit or the horse shit i don't even decorate this around peanut butter you ever do mushrooms yeah you've

done no i haven't but haven't they like done it to where they put it in capsules or something there's gotta be easier ways right yeah nowadays you can microdose and macrodose i'm just talking back in day when we had to walk uphill both ways to some farm to get some fucking mushrooms that really were worth a fuck. You know what I mean? They have like mushroom chocolates now. Mushrooms. Oh, God. Oh, yeah.

It's like one. You kids are so spoiled these days. I know. Do you know what we had to do back in the day to find that fucking shit? Legit. Park them out of poop. Had to figure out how to eat poop in the best fashion. You know what it is?

Pulling peanut butter. And you'd have a friend that would do it first before everyone else did. I was normally that friend. Would you guys randomly walk around the woods just slopping through random piles of poop and tasting it to see if there's mushrooms in there? No, normally a farmer would have said things and then you would go see and check it out.

And it was always some disgusting dungy area and it was like if these are gonna work fuck it i guess we'll do it because we're getting drug tested for everything else now so this is what we gotta do and it's either this or meth so we'll do this i guess for now and uh well forever hopefully but there were some that did yeah i'm sure they came back though i had a couple friends who tried meth and never did we're never did it again. Wow. It's great news. Out of a can.

What the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Meh. What are you looking at? Nick, you just did a full turn. Just heard some things. Somebody's tried meth in here? Maybe.

If they didn't get addicted and they tried it, I'm very proud of you. Hats off to them. I guess meth is one of those things. You snort meth? You smoke meth? What do you do? Smoke. I think you smoke. I don't know if you snort it. I don't know of them. Hats off to them. I guess meth is one of those things. You snort meth? You smoke meth? What do you do? I think you smoke. I don't know if you snort it.

I don't know if some meth is a snortable. They did in Breaking Bad, but you never know what's real and what's not real in that show. Oh, maybe you do snort it. I don't know. It's probably more expensive. It turns out it's quite cheap, actually. That's a drug people shouldn't do.

Yeah, most of them, really. Yeah, pills, no bueno. Meth. No bueno. People get hooked pretty quick. Yeah. Those are the ones that. See ya. Never coming back. You can never coming back. You can do it anyway. All right. I'm sick of this. Show's over. See you tomorrow. Don't do meth, please. Okay. Everybody. I can go meth and don't do pills. No pills. There's no reason to do pills anymore okay maybe at one point pills were like a cool thing now there is such a high risk of dying and being addicted forever uh it's taking a lot of our friends don't do fucking pills either

all right drink water and coffee and there's something coming out that's going to help people live to their 200 i I just seen it today. But let's save that for the smart people. Can't wait. I plan on living well past 200, though. I'm going to live longer than you. Medicine that could let humans live to 200 is being developed. Hey, don't keep moving.

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