The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 703 - 4 Teams Report For NFL Training Camps, Shams Charania, Ian Rapoport, The Athletic's Mike Sando, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat about their weekends, and rejoice that the NFL season is basically officially back as 4 teams have reported for training camp, and 28 more teams are scheduled to report this week. Joining the progrum to give an update on Kevin Durant potentially asking to be traded to the Boston Celtics, where Kyrie Irving and Russell Westbrook might end up, and everything else going on in the NBA is NBA Insider for Stadium and The Athletic, Shams Charania (18:27-33:19). Later, Ian Rapoport joins the show to chat about training camps beginning, what players being placed on the PUP list right now means, league wide expectations for the Raiders this year, and which training camps he'll be attending (53:20-1:13:25). Later, NFL Senior Writer for The Athletic, Mike Sando joins the progrum to chat about his Quarterback tier ranking system that was published today that polled 50 NFL coaches, executives, and scouts/personnel people, and what the list tells us about the perception of all the QB's around the NFL (1:22:51-1:32:25). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Monday, July 25th, 2022, and it is a massive week around here. This sports show begins now. Let's ride. That's right, let's ride in the Fight Week Summer Slam on Saturday, July 30th, Nashville, Tennessee. Only available on the COC. Peacock, 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific, and all the other time zones that you potentially live in. You can do the math.

I'm beating the hell out of bum-ass Corbin. Yeah! That should be a blast. I can't wait to chat more about that as the week unfolds. Friday night SmackDown will be in Atlanta, last stop before Nashville, Tennessee on Saturday. It should be a glorious week. We are going to celebrate it as such, because not only is that taking place, last stop before Nashville, Tennessee on Saturday. It should be a glorious week.

We are going to celebrate it as such because not only is that taking place, but four NFL teams are currently already in training camp. 28 more start tomorrow. What does that mean? We fucking made it to the season, boys. What an off season it has been. We can't thank you all enough for riding the highs with us and riding the season, boys. What an off season it has been. We can't thank you all enough for riding the highs with us

and riding the lows with us and chit-chatting about all the shit that inevitably won't mean a damn thing in the NFL world once the season kicks off. We now have camps. We have quotes. We have convos.

We have stories. We have questions. Who will start the trip to the top of the mountain? And who will complete it in February in Scottsdale, Arizona as the Super Bowl champion? You can't win a Super Bowl in July. No. But can you lose one?

Certainly. Who will get off on the wrong foot? More importantly, who will get off on the right foot? What team is going to make an impression on the rest of the NFL first and early? We know there's a lot of alternate uniform conversations taking place. We know there's a lot of comments and getting taken out of context, and we are excited to be alive. My wife's birthday was yesterday. One last happy birthday. Hope everybody had a great weekend. The Talks at Table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Connor.

Ty, being a father through the weekends, is it just like father through the weekdays? How are you doing, pal? How are you feeling? Feeling pretty good. It really did. It kind of felt like a football morning this morning. You wake up and the group text,

there's a lot more football-related stories. So it did feel, I mean, in terms of the kid, it kind of stinks because you can't really ever watch anything. I don't like doing 15 minutes, oh, got to pause this, come back to it later. I'll never get through anything until she's probably six or eight months, so I've kind of just accepted that. But you can still watch sports, which is nice, and it feels like the NFL is back this morning. I'm not lucky enough to have a kid,

but I partially made it through a lot of things this week. Did you? Here we go. What? I mean, I didn't plan on diving into it, but I want some movies on Saturday. Whoa.

Really? It's a little early. You know, a lot of sports to talk about. We're doing a real off-season conversation here. Did not expect to dive into it, but I mean,

you mentioning not being able to, that's my life. Yeah. You just did my life. You're doing it strictly because there's a tiny little baby human that is like trying

to get your attention. Right. Me, just strictly because my brain goes, I can't do, I'm done with this. Am I wasting this much more time with this? So obviously wife's birthday weekend. Sure. Saturday at 5.40, we'll say. 5.40.

I want to go hit the Stairmaster. She want, I think, to take a bath or something like that. We had a little bit of a day setting up for the night. Let's go ahead and do this whole thing. So I'm 10 minutes into the Stairmaster, 5.50, get a text from my wife. She says, hey, showing her the superhero pet movie, 605 96th Street or whatever, if we want to go stop by there. And I'm on the thing. It's her birthday weekend. So I text her back very tired exhausted uh i'm you know in the middle of a workout what do you want to do she says let's go to superhero pet movie it's like okay i gotta go right now this is in 15 minutes so i go running

upstairs hop in the shower real quick we leave the house 605 takes us like 20 minutes to get there so we get there like 6 20 ish 6 25 is25ish almost. Movie's supposed to start at 6.05. We get to a movie theater, and there is 100 people waiting in a line at the concession stand. Only one thing was open. Full around, all the way around the inside thing. It's like, well, cool. If you want something, I'll come back out here later and get it.

We're already late to the movie. Let's go in there. So we go to walk to the movie, and there's nobody checking any tickets or anything we got it on fondango anyways and it clearly says like uh go to concession to get your ticket scanned and it was like well we're not doing that we're already this late in that whole thing we have tickets what's it say on there oh it says like auditorium six or something okay so we'll go auditorium six we're already late we sit down There's this fucking hamster cartoon airing.

Okay? Hamster cartoon airing. This is what the fucking hamster looked like. All right? This hamster at one point during this thing gave birth to all those other hamsters and spoke in ridiculous, ridiculous fashion. There's a bunch of kids around. There's kids and it's like, all right, we're going to a superhero pets movie.

How you doing? Keep moving. This thing ended up attacking this guy. What? Yeah. Cut my nails. Do this whole thing. So that's like 15, maybe seven minutes.

This thing is running. So I'm like, Sam, we're at the wrong fucking movie. Like, obviously this is a movie. Sam's like, no, this is like a trailer, like a cartoon trailer. Like they're trying to, you know, spice up the the rules or whatever so i'm like nah go to your phone like we had to go through the movie theater like what the fuck could this fat kind of mean hamster movie be sure turns out that thing doesn't it was just a prequel a commercial that the movie theaters are putting out oh really yeah i guess concessions or something not talking

or trimming your nail i have no idea what it was. It was one of those things. So that stops. So now we're like, all right, super pet movie. Here we go. Paws of Fury is not the superhero pet movie. What?

Okay. So Paws of Fury starts, it's this cat movie that Rick Gervais is in. Okay. So I thought I'm going to see The Rock and Kevin Hart as dogs. Sure. Awesome.

Turns out now I'm in Paws of Fury. Okay. With Rick Gervais after seeing some fat fucking hamster just do its whole thing. I'm going to see The Rock and Kevin Hart as dogs. Sure. Awesome. Turns out now I'm in Paws of Fury, okay, with Ricky Gervais after seeing some fat fucking hamster just do its whole thing. So I'm in a bit of a pretzel here. I was just on a Stairmaster 10, 15 minutes ago. We start watching Paws of Fury, and although I'm a big Ricky Gervais fan, I'm sure that movie's good.

Both of us said, ah, we're not watching this fucking movie. So we get up and we leave. So Sam wanted popcorn, though, movie theater popcorn. Sure, sure. So we started waiting in that line. So Sam wanted popcorn though. Movie theater popcorn. So we started waiting in that line that was still there. People were still there. We had just seen

a hamster cartoon and another animated thing and people were still waiting in that line. So we go. We're waiting in popcorn. And Sam's like, well, we're already out here. I'm getting popcorn. I want to see at least some movie. So she looks up. The only movie that is within the next hour, Nope. Oh, okay.

So Nope was 30 minutes from then. So we looked at the line. We're like, oh, it could work out perfectly. So it took us like 20-some minutes to get through the line. So then we go in there. It's still before the movie's on. We sit down. And I started thinking, I didn't know what the fuck a Nope was.

So I looked it up. i googled what nope was i thought i was going to see a fucking superhero movie about dogs yeah nope i got off the stairmaster 45 minutes later i am fucking in the middle of a horror film oh yeah i don't watch horror films i am not a horror film person at all so i'm looking at sam it's her birthday right she looks like she's happy so i have to just swallow all this. I'm like, I'm not a horror person film. You know why? Because I like to sleep at night. Sure, exactly.

I like to be pretty comfortable. I like to do all that. So she was pumped about it, though. I didn't know she was a horror film watcher either. I learned that at that moment. I said, do you watch horror films? She's like, no. I'm like, what are we doing?

Whatever. What's this all about? I was watching a superhero fucking dog movie. That doesn't come out until like three months from now or something. Like three weeks from now, by the way. Doesn't come out. Yeah, no chance. She thought it was a superhero movie, the Paws of Fury one,

because she saw The Rock and Kevin Hart doing all the promotion, saw the Paws one, said that that was that. Why are you guys doing promotions six months before your fucking movie comes out? I don't know. I guess that's old school way. Nobody cares. Everybody wants it like right now. Nonetheless, you would have got a ticket from me instead ricky gervais got one and jordan peel

got one for no yeah i sat through that thing for about an hour and 30 minutes didn't make it to the end i'm sure the end is great oh no i'll tell you what i'm not a horror movie guy i don't think those moments are like oh that could happen to me i don't like it not one bit too right yeah saw the best line In the whole fucking movie though The reason why it's called Yeah I mean it's

Thank you Diggs You nailed it Legit It was It was fucking The best line Whoever's the star of that I think it's like

Daniel Kaluuya There's a couple He's like one of the main That dude is awesome Yeah He's in Get Out too Dude is Hilarious

The Nope Was delivered maybe one of the best lines in cinematic history whoa yeah it came out of nowhere open the door seen something shut door roll window up nope i mean it was it was really and everybody in the movie theater popped i don't think i understand horror films though sure yeah those ones too those are like mind bending at the end they really put a massive turn on it oh yeah i'll see i would never yeah the last it's funny you say you left for like a half hour left because typically in jordan peele movies last 15 minutes probably the most important part like i assume see so yeah i assume how good have you known someone should give me a heads up i missed everything i bet yeah i know

the entire setup though well that Well, that's, yeah. Jordan Peele doesn't like anybody talking about his movies, so I'm not going to say anything else. But if you're a horror person, I assume it's a movie you should go to. Yeah, because Get Out and Us, those are the two things at the end. Because the trailer shows aliens and that thing for this movie, and I am just predicting that in those last 15 minutes, it's not aliens, and they just kind of spin it on you some way else.

There was a couple moments there where definitely aliens involved. Oh, yeah. I would assume aliens are involved. Well, there's part of the trailers. Isn't there like a massive UFO that's flying like right over one of the guys? Well, I don't want to give away anything.

Sure. That Jordan Peele. No, no, this is all. Hey, hey, this is a trailer, right? This is aired on television. See, I didn't even know this movie was existing until I walked in there. There's some shit that goes on. You're like, oh, okay. And then the music can make any scene. See, I didn't even know this movie was existing until I walked in there. There's some shit that goes on.

You're like, oh, okay. And then the music can make any scene. Oh, yeah. Have you seen Get Out or Us, the first two? No. What are we talking about? These are horror films. Oh, man.

Yeah. I would like to laugh. I watch all Jordan Peele's old shit. Jordan Peele? Yeah. He's like, hey, let's make people laugh. I don't understand the whole, I'm going to go shit my pants and then not be able to sleep tonight. You got to feel alive.

It ain't all sunshine and rainbows out there, Pat. There's some bad stuff going on. All right. It's just like unbreakable gems or whatever the fuck it's called. You don't really feel bad for the people in the middle of it when you start putting some reasonable thought like, well, you shouldn't be doing what you're doing. There's a lot of that from me in this whole thing. But I was sitting there waiting to just, ah, you know?

All the time. Well, that's almost worse. Yes. Just kind of anticipating like that you're going to get, and then it just kind of never comes. You're just uncomfortable

for like an hour and a half. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Anyways, it was a great weekend. I hope everybody else had a fantastic one. I watched Blackbird, worth a watch. Yeah, unreal.

Very good. I tried Gray Man. Gosling's just too gosling for me to really, I think, respect as an action person. That's fair. Because he's like, what, the cutest dude of all time. Yeah, he's the it guy. He's cute. He's like, oh, look at the cute guy.

You just got to think of him as a cornerback, though. Remember the Titans? Isn't he Ken right now? He is Ken. So he's a soft corner. He's Ken. And then they got him being his action star. For me, I'm too mentally weak to be able to separate all of them. You know what I mean? Yeah, it makes sense. he is ken so he's a soft corner he's ken and then they got him being his action star for me

i'm too mentally weak to be able to separate all of them yeah i mean yeah it makes sense he's also like a jazz musician in la la land that one went big too so there are well and then he's steve carell's uh little lover boy son-in-law yeah he teaches now he's now he's the gray man yeah it was awesome i actually got through the whole entire thing. It was electric. I mean, it's no John Wick. We're not going to go that far, but it definitely has some good moments.

Didn't you think like in the first couple of scenes that you could just right to Gosling's face and there ain't nothing he could do about it? Yeah. This is just like

in the horror film where I'm like, shouldn't be doing what you're doing. That's a bad idea. And that one with Gosling, I was like, oh,

this cute dude from the love movies. Yes. And they started doing something. I'm like, that guy should just Gosling, how are you going to, you know, he's a badass, I was like, oh, this cute dude from the love movies. Yes. And they started doing something. I'm like, that guy should just, boop, Gosling. How are you going to, you know? He's a badass, I guess. Yeah, he crushes it.

And I assume you haven't seen Drive with Gosling. And that's where Gosling just kind of really taps into him ripping people's heads off. Okay, so I need to be reintroduced to Gosling. Yeah, Blade Runner. Yeah, Blade Runner. Blade Runner, exactly. Blade Runner, poor little Tink Tink. Oh, I mean, I'm not excited.

No, not at all. But, I mean, and this isn't a spoiler because it happens right away. I mean, he tackles Don Batista through a wall. So, Gosling. Oh, yeah. Good hit, too. Yeah, most center of gravity. You got to give it to him.

Don Batista. Rips his eye out. Ryan Gosling. Oh, yeah. He's like a gnaw on the Achilles type guy. I didn't know he had that in him. I thought he was fucking... He's got the dog in him.

When they did the x-rays, the dog thing popped up like it did for Compsmith. I did not know that. Okay. All right. I got to get reintroduced to him because I couldn't take it serious. First five minutes in there. That's fair. All right.

This is the notebook guy. Just fucking... Yeah. Chris Evans, though. He does great in Captain America, except he's a bad guy, which you don't really see with Chris Evans. Captain America's a bad guy? He's a bad guy in this, and he has a mustache. What's going on with America?

Good point. Captain America. It's a terrible guy. Well, let's move on. Tony Diggs, how you doing, pal? I just want to say that when we were off, I went to see a movie, too, and for 20 minutes,

the cartoon Coyote and the Roadrunner was playing. And I had a similar situation to you where I fucking tapped the person next to me and I said, are you in here for Thor? What movie are you? Yeah. And they said, yeah. And I said. Almost did that as well. The fuck is happening here?

It was 15 minutes and I'm not even. Yes, long. These are long cartoons. I don't like what they're doing. No. I understand they try to freshen up the movie experience and make it better. There was a little trivia before Nope with Maria Menounos. Oh, nice. She was doing some trivia

with a TikTok star. Oh, that's new. Who's now an A-list star. He's doing some trivia. The whole theater that was in there was participating. Longest yard. Everybody yelled. Sand locked. there was like a full you know one of those situations that was taking place but that fat fucking hamster shitting out other hamsters i almost are you here for the superhero pets movie

that would clear things up yeah no pause fury pause fury the hell is that? I didn't know I was working with your face. I mean, it was her birthday, so God do what you gotta do. But there was a lot of like, I was coming here and fucking Kevin Hart was a goddamn doodle, golden doodle or something. Now I'm about to watch what? The aliens just fuck up the entire human race? What am I doing? I'm not here.

I'm a guy that looks at the sky, too. This is something that will fuck with me forever. We didn't get far enough for me to get well in my opinion you have been a little too positive on aliens coming to visit us so i'm glad you got to see a little negative side of i do understand why everybody said super negative after watching that yes that is all very possible it's terrifying i guess that is the other outcome i guess it all is very nope it is very possible i didn't even think about any of that because if they wanted to they could have done it already right so what do you think so that's my big thing like if they wanted to they would have already

done it why aren't they doing it then we're just assuming that they have reason and sound thought which we have to assume they are because they're able to travel to this place but maybe they've just been biding their time waiting is this jesus christ guy ever going to come back if he's not we're going to do this thing so you got to you got the christians and the aliens waiting on the same thing that's right maybe jesus will return in time to save us all or maybe the aliens are just coming to say hey what's up what's going on let's figure this shit out because if they're doing what that note movie is saying they're doing not good not good for him but pretty terrible and i like take back everything i don't want to give away too much for jordan peele's movie because he doesn't like to give a lot away but it's not great it is a horror film and the ufos are involved yeah i mean all it takes is

one with the aliens yeah it doesn't matter who's visited us before if one you know chancellor of some planet with aliens on it decides you know what i'm sick of watching these guys let's just go kill them all then we're dead either way so that's kind of why it's wait and switch time because i don't think it really matters yeah see like that's why what i seen in that dope movie i never wanted to exist in my brain right because last night there was a lightning storm oh yeah big one didn't move i don't know if you've seen it i actually recorded it 45 to 50 seconds straight lightning just going didn't move same spot just kept going i'm like oh here we go that's all you're thinking about this exactly i can't even enjoy this i can't even enjoy this lightning show because i'm just assuming that oh so i wouldn't just shut the

blinds once a bit it's a good move sometimes you gotta do that put the blinders on the blinders on and uh that was uh that was that was another award-winning segment, another edition of McAfee Movie Monday. There it is. Didn't see the end of any of the movies. Nope. But I gave them all a shot. It seems like if you're into those types of movies,

you'll love all of them. If you went to the movie theater and then went back out and waited for 30 minutes, I mean, you did the movies. You really... I did the movies a lot more all of them. If you went to the movie theater and then went back out and waited for 30 minutes, you did the movies. I did the movies a lot more than most people. The only thing you're missing is hitting the arcade, playing some pinball or some Cruisin' World.

We almost did on the way out because we snuck out a side exit that happened to be connected to where the arcade was and I said, Cruisin' World! On the way out. But at that point we were already there for three hours. I'm like, all right, I'm fucking, I'm done with it. By the way, when I went to the movies, they did also the check your tickets at the popcorn thing,

and I also said, fuck that. That's not how movies work. No, that's not how this goes. I'm not waiting in line to do that. I'm just going to go. Open another register then. I need you to open another register then for me to go to, because there was 100 people, one register open.

It was literally around, like out of a movie. On a Saturday night. Yeah. I can't ask that. What are we doing? What's going on? Just get the robots to do it. Wow.

All right. Let's move on. Let's talk sports. Anyways, I would recommend, if you're not a horror person, to not watch horror movies. No. Sure. Unless it's your wife's birthday and she would like to go watch a movie, any movie, what movie. That's fine.

Nope. It's available. Let's watch it. With that being said, I slept just fine. Good. Put the blinders down. Slept just fine. Didn't get me.

Happy birthday to my wife. Let's move on. Maybe for the last time until March. Whoa. How about that? What is about to happen might be the last time said type of thing happens until March. We're about to talk basketball. Whoa. Here we type of thing happens until March. We're about to talk basketball. There's a lot of chatter around basketball right now. And is it about the sport?

Maybe, because that will ultimately be affected in the end by all the chatter that's currently happening. But who's going to go where? Big time trades potentially on deck. The senior NBA insider for the Athletic in the Stadium, the man who is our friend of the program in the NBA world, the best association insider that the association has, ladies and gentlemen, Sean Chiron. Hey! Pat, it's been a while. I know.

We miss you, man. It's been a while. We miss you. The problem we're having here, Sean, and I want to tell you, I know your world's heating up probably a little bit with the offseason and trades and shit like that. There's four NFL teams in training camp already. 28 coming tomorrow.

I mean, our basketball conversation is going to get even more. We're going to miss the shit out of you. It's the dog days of the summer. I mean, honestly, we shouldn't have this to talk about, right? But we do. This Kevin Durant situation, the Donovan Mitchell situation, these are topics that maybe a month ago, like we probably didn't foresee coming.

And this is – without these two issues, you know, unresolved before training camp in two months, there's not much going on right now. Like it's pretty dead in the offseason, which is par for the course. Like now is a period where executives players they all start traveling you've got people going through all types of different continents and you know tropical islands and and you know but there is this big kevin durant domino and there's the donald mitchell domino jalen brown's being thrown into the kevin durant domino so it shouldn't be like this right

now but it is and so we're here to talk about it. All right. Well, we appreciate you joining us. Let's dive into it. We thought maybe we were the only stooges that didn't know basketball news happens. I'm happy to hear that the senior insider for it says nothing's supposed to be cooking right now. Let's take it one by one here. The Kevin Durant thing. He asked for his release or to be traded with like four or five years left on his deal. One day after Kyrie Irving opted back

in to play for the Nets, that was a bunch of drama. But you came on and said, not really. Like Kevin Durant's thinking for himself. Kyrie's thinking for himself. They got to figure it out. Now, allegedly the Celtics are in the mix. And then Windhorse came out today and said, hey, there is no active conversations happening with the Nets right now. And I think you reported a week ago that the Nets were ready to go to the season with Kyrie and Kevin Durant, both of whom have already asked for a trade. Where are we with the Kevin Durant situation? Are the Celtics getting Kevin Durant?

And is anything going to take place, you think, in the next couple weeks? You know, I think a trade is going to take time to develop. You know, I think there was, as I reported this morning, there was an offer made. There was a rejection of that offer, and there was a counter of what possibly it could take to go get a guy like Kevin Durant. And so, yes, Boston is a serious threat to go get Kevin Durant because they have the pieces. When you look around the roster brad you don't want to yeah dani age brought a lot of these guys in they have the pieces that it takes to go get kevin durant probably more so than any other team you know

we talk about miami we talk about toronto we talk about uh phoenix phoenix is all but eliminated uh from everything i'm told and just looking at the roster from going to get Kevin Durant because they're not able to use DeAndre Ayton even as a trade ship anymore. They have really McKill, Bridges, Cam Johnson, and a bunch of draft picks. But Brooklyn has made it clear we want all-star caliber players. Then you look at Toronto. Maybe you have something around Pascal Siakam, Ojean Anubi, but Brooklyn is insistent on wanting Scottie Barnes.

And as of right now, Toronto's not willing to move Scottie Barnes. Then Miami. Miami does have Bam Adebayo, who would be very, very appealing in a trade for Kevin Durant. But Brooklyn can't add Bam Adebayo because both Bam and Ben Simmons are on designated rookie max extensions.

So when you sign that five-year rookie max extension, you can't have two of those guys on the same team together. So Brooklyn would have to then find a trade for Ben Simmons out, bring Bam in. It's just complicated. And then also if you're Miami, do you want to bring in Kevin Durant to a team that has Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry?

We'll be very competitive, but you want Kevin Durant to play with Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo, not him maybe maybe making you guys slightly better like any team that's bringing kevin durant you want them you want him to take you to that next level so yes they're they're having conversations i i don't think it's anything that's imminent i don't think this is something that that you know we need to keep an eye on as far as actually a deal going down in the next week or two. Again, these things can all change really quickly. Trade talks

can move from pretty standstill as it is right now to heating up in a matter of moments. But as of right now, this is, to me, going to take some time to develop. Kevin Durant's still going to push for a trade. He hasn't cooled off of that. And what are we doing with Kyrie Irving then so Kevin Durant has not you know everything I've been told has not relented off of that trade demand and so honestly I was in Vegas for NBA Summer League and there were even some people there you know executives you know other people around the league talking about you know what happens if this situation goes into training camp? Does Kevin Durant, how does he handle that? Does he not show up? Does he show up and be disgruntled the whole time?

Does he recommit? I think the recommitting part is not right now anything that's even in, I think, an option right now. But Brooklyn right now is in a position where they have set a high price threshold. And at the end of the day, Kevin Durant is under contract for four more years. So whether it's Boston, whoever it is, if that trade demand, if that request isn't met for how much they're asking for, and it's a lot. They want all-star caliber players. They want draft picks. They want high-level rotation players.

If that asking price isn't met and Brooklyn just takes it into training camp. Theoretically, Kevin Durant would have to make a decision. You're either going to show up or you're not. And so I think that's a position that we're looking at two weeks. There's no trade deadline right now, right? We're in the offseason. There's no trade deadline. The only thing that could even come close to a trade deadline is that september 26th uh training camp opens shams you're thinking the brooklyn nets are saying hey we're still

trying to win one ace we're still trying to win yeah and that goes to your kairi irving question which i didn't you know answer there's so much to talk about here but kairi irving he opted in with the full intent of playing out next season as a Brooklyn Net. From everything I've been told, in his mind, he's playing next year in Brooklyn with or without Kevin Durant in a lot of ways. Kyrie Irving opted in. I think there was an understanding that he was going to make the best decision for himself. And Kevin Durant, on the other hand, is obviously making his decision as well. But from everything I've been told, Kyrie Irving has made his intent. He wants to play out next season in Brooklyn.

He'll be an unrestricted free agent next summer. But again, that doesn't stop. If Brooklyn does manage to find a deal for Kevin Durant before the season, could they then look to pivot and move Kyrie Irving? I mean, for for sure anything is possible the the price tag on a move like that would probably be you know first round pick or multiple you know first round pick type assets I don't think they're just going to be giving away Kyrie Irving for you know a second rounder uh has Kyrie tried to have Kyrie and Ben Simmons obviously if

Ben can walk have they tried to recruit kevin durant back to the nets or how does that operate well i i that part is unclear i haven't been told one way or the other get to it shawms but but what i what i will say i mean it's it's clear i think the way this offseason is going you know that that that kevin durant he made his he made this decision to request a trade. And I think Brooklyn has been willing and open to talking to teams. Phoenix, Toronto, Miami, now Boston. There have been teams that have put offers at least on the table. But there's a sky-high asking price.

And until that's met, Brooklyn does have an an amount of they have some level of control here they don't have to trade Kevin Grant but Boston does have an opportunity here to meet the price threshold. Okay and I was in Boston on Friday at TD Garden currently under some renovations. Oh yeah the Garden Towers. I wonder why

I don't know is that because of you they want to make sure the next time you're in town it's prepared is that why? I don't know is that because of you they want to make sure the next time you're in town it's prepared is that i don't know a lot happened there a lot happened at td garden on friday and it was not easy to navigate back behind the because there's a bunch of shit shut down but that crowd was so loud and you look up and it's just fucking banners everywhere literally we're at a commercial break one time and and I just leaned my chair back, and I looked up, and I'm like, oh, fuck, I completely forgot. There is banners everywhere up there. And then there's a couple of Bs for the Bruins.

Of course. We have a couple up there. But that Celtics organization, always going to be trying to win. They get Kevin Durant, they win. Who? Durant and Tatum? Is that what it would be? I mean, listen, if you're able to get Kevin Durant on this roster and keep Jason Tatum, keep Marcus Smart, keep Robert Williams,

of course, that would be the most ideal circumstance, right? But again, the wild card is what is Brooklyn? What's their threshold? Is the price going to come down at all? And if it stays the same, push is going to come to shove. And either Boston is going to keep with the roster that they have into the season.oklyn's going to do the same what dynamics play out between them and kevin durant but yeah i mean boston as a city as a franchise they are you know up there with the lakers with the bulls there's a lot of fucking when you talk about the biggest marquee franchise it literally looked like the night before halloween when people go through a toilet paper

on people's shirt that's just what it looked like with just fucking banners everywhere. I'm like, oh, my God, they're running out of room up there for fucking banners. It is legendary. We appreciate you. Shams, Connor, your question? Yeah, Shams, what's the deal with Donovan Mitchell and the Jazz? Are the Jazz going full rebuild here? And, you know, you said the Nets are asking for, like, superstar talent for KD.

Is that what the Jazz are doing, or do they just want they just want like 15 first round picks for the next five years yeah i think i think the the jazz asking price is more we already saw them set the market right with rudy gobert trade they got four first round picks basically five because they got walker kessler who was the first round pick this year for minnesota and then they got a draft swap and then they got you know they got some players in that trade Jared Vanderbilt Patrick Beverly Bleak Beasley uh but no you know borderline all-star right when we talk about Jalen Brown in this circumstance that's an all-star player so I think I think what you're seeing out of Utah is if you move a guy like Donovan Mitchell probably try to extract as many draft assets as you possibly can and new york is the one team that has

the most first round picks eight first round picks four of their own four from other teams that they can trade in a deal and they have young players when you talk about quentin grimes ob top and emmanuel quickly uh there is a deal pathway there for them but as of right now from everything i've been told talks have gone slowly and the sides aren't really close to an agreement. And, again, these things can change. By a snap of a finger, a few days, next week, something could happen. But as of right now, the sides aren't really close to something. But, again, this is the part of the offseason where it's the dog days.

And also, if you're the Knicks or if you're Boston or if you're any of these teams trying to get a Kevin Durant, a Donovan Mitchell, do you put your best foot forward, your best offer on the table now? Do you wait closer to September? I think those are all like, you know, this is a game of chess. This is a strategic game that we're going to be seeing between now and the start of training camp. But I think I would keep an eye on New York for Donovan Mitchell. There are other teams that are involved. Miami, Toronto, Washington, Charlotte, Sacramento, Atlanta. There is a market

for sure on Donovan Mitchell. Speaking of dogs, go ahead, Ty. Yeah, Sean, should we be expecting anything to happen with Russell Westbrook? It seems like we hear that the big three over there are jacked up to play with each other and try to make things work. They're actively shopping Russell Westbrook and no one wants to take his salary. Is he going to be a laker next year or is he maybe going to be a pacer

i mean the yeah i mean there's definitely a possibility that he's a laker but you know when you look at the marketplace he's been discussed in utah and new york in indiana um i think i think if you're able to upgrade the roster and get multiple rotational players, I think if you're able to go get a Kyrie Irving, at the end of the day, you have LeBron James, Anthony Davis on this team. You want to upgrade the roster. So if there's an avenue to go upgrade the roster, I think the Lakers will look at it. And so I don't think anything is really imminent there.

I think it's going to take time, whether it whether it's a few weeks a month etc um but yeah i mean it's clear given that there have been conversations that have taken place that there's at least some level and appetite to improve the roster i can't believe westbrook's coming to indiana that's crazy come on brody we'll love you here pal what do you say good hard basketball as of right now right now, that deal is not fluid. I would not. Oh, wow. If anything, right now it's kind of dead. You said Kyrie's going to play for the Nets, and then two minutes later, you said, look for Kyrie, maybe Lakers.

I mean, Shams, what do we know? Nothing? No, I mean, it's a possibility he stays with the Lakers, but there are conversations. When you look at Utah, New York, there are teams that they are discussing potential frameworks with. All right. Well, keep us updated, will you?

We'll follow along at your Twitter, at Sean Shawanya. You're an absolute stallion in the insider game, and we appreciate you battling through the dog days of summer here for us, pal. I appreciate you guys. Talk soon. How do you feel about the source-off that's been going on between you and others

during this dog days of summer? It's pretty good. Pat, what do you think? I'd love to get your thoughts. I enjoy the fact that Sean spends 20 to 21 hours a day on his phone.

Sean's has won last year's trade deadline, draft, trade deadline again. Yeah. Checks in the mail. Checks in the mail. Three in a row. Now you are. You're hitting. Right now you are hitting at a higher clip, I think, than anybody else.

So whenever people are coming to check your sources all the time, it feels like. That asks me a compliment. I assume you take that as a compliment these days? I mean, listen, anything that you gas me up like this, I appreciate you, Pat. The feeling is mutual. Thank you. This fucking guy. That's Sean.

Baby Sean. All right, so what did we learn? Nothing. What do you mean? What's that all about? Katie's going to Boston. I didn't hear that. Maybe. Yeah, definitely. Maybe like that. They do, though. That news comes out, and it's framed that it's imminent

and that it's new all of a sudden and that it could be happening within the next week, and then now it's basically like, oh, yeah, it might be in September. Who knows? Hey, the Pacers, maybe. That seems to not be fluid, but hey, NBA. Toronto. New York.

Miami. What is that one team going to offer up? 45 draft picks? Yes. We'll give you 45 draft picks. You can draft your team seven different times if you'd like. We just need Kevin Durant. Simple. Sounds good. Can I say something crazy? Absolutely. Okay, so Celtics just got the finals. That's pretty good. Pretty average,

I guess. What happens if you trade for KD, you give up some pieces, and in a year, he's like, no, I don't want to be here anymore. Well, I think a lot of teams probably think about that. That's why Adam Silver came out and said that we do not condone or like guys leaving their contracts. We're going to try to figure that out. And we all immediately said, impossible.

What are you going to do? You're going to tell people they can't say they want to be traded? Yep, can't do it. All right, well, their hamstring hurts for the next month until you trade them to Philadelphia. Oh, that's literally what James Harden did. Oh, before that, by the way, when he was in Houston, yeah, I don't want to play.

He was going to go to the strip club every night. Gained 50 pounds. Kyrie, I mean, there's just, if somebody wants to move, especially in a sport that is dependent upon their superstars, which the NBA 1 million percent is, they're going to be able to move, especially in a sport that is dependent upon their superstars, which the NBA 1 million percent is, they're going to be able to move however they want. The Kevin Durant situation is

obviously such conversation. Sorry, because he is a dog. And he does not care. He cares about, I believe, his legacy. I think he cares about how good he is at basketball. I think he cares about what people he likes thinks about him. But other than that, everybody can fucking fuck off.

Yeah, exactly. And I think that is why it draws the reaction it does. And also he's, what, top three player in the world at all times? Yeah, right. In everybody's conversation. Well, and now Jalen Brown's already tweeted, you know, SMA shaking my head. So I assume that he's kind of already felt disrespected.

You might as well just, you know, rip the Band-Aid off, send him packing. Well, I-Y-K-Y-K. Exactly. L-O-L. Bingo. Raffle. YK. He said shaking my head?

SMH. Wow. SMDH after that. Did he do an S-My-D too? I don't know if he did S-My-D, S-M-H, B-A, or B-S, Brad Stevens, but I think he's just at this point kind of just disrespected. Did he do the mind blow emoji, too? No, I think he did the one where the guy's like pissed off,

like, you know, the demon one? Oh, he did the demon one? The demon pissed off purple one? Yeah. That's Lamar. Yeah, exactly. Lamar's the demon. Entering goblin mode. They just opened up some cap space. Yeah, exactly. Lamar's the demon. Entering goblin mode.

They just opened up some cap space. Yeah, they did. The Ravens did. Fascinating. Why? Is that because training camp starts tomorrow and they're looking into it? Or is it because there was kind of a bottom set for what quarterback market's going to look like whenever it goes from Deshaun Watson making 230 guaranteed,

Kyler Murray making 160 guaranteed, with 230.5 in totals. So now does Lamar go in to the Ravens, who have been waiting on him to come in and negotiate. If you listen to everything that's been said publicly, although Lamar has not spoken about it. No. So Lamar does his business. Lamar has not spoken about his business.

Other than a couple pictures he put up there, the Ravens have had to speak about it because they get asked about it. And they've said, hey, when Lamar comes in, we'll then do the negotiation. Was Lamar waiting for another contract to get done? Or is Lamar saying, I'm about to fucking go handle business this year, and that 230, everybody's going to be hoping and wishing that it was 230 in the Baltimore Ravens organization. I'm going for 250 because with LeBron James,

he said he cares about championships and being a billionaire. This man is betting on himself. I wonder what Baltimore Ravens will end up doing there. He did report early. Lamar went last week. They weren't due in camp until tomorrow, and he's been there for a couple days. Maybe they're talking.

No, maybe they're talking. Maybe big trust. This bitch is about to have a big fucking year. Maybe that's what lamar jackson's thinking and i assume he knows too like there's no if he was waiting for the kyler deal like he knows there's no way what are they going to give him less than what kyler got like he's won an mvp he's been more successful in the playoffs like well he retweeted a quote tweeted somebody or liked the tweet somebody said gotta give uh him 230 plus plus plus yeah something like that i

think he retweeted i'm like i like what lamar's doing right now. Yeah. He puts up a grill that says, I need cash. Takes that down the whole world. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Another contract comes up. Somebody else says something and Lamar's like, yep, I like what they're saying. Let's go ahead and put that out in the public. And to be honest, he, I think he could ask for whatever he wanted

and everybody would be like, yep, warranted. After that $230 million guaranteed was given to Sean Watson, I think anything that a quarterback gets from this point forward from their own fan base will be like, warranted. After that $230 million guaranteed was given to Sean Watson, I think anything that a quarterback gets from this point forward from their own fan base will be like, warranted. We saw what happened there, especially with how good Lamar Jackson is. The market's only going up. If you're Baltimore and you think that the next deal for someone's

going to be anywhere below Kyler, it's not, right? Like Herbert and Burrow. No, no, yeah. It's all good. It's all going up, so you might as well get it done now before Herbert or Burrow sign for 300 or 275, and then they got to do that with Lamar. This is just like the Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott did not have an MVP,

did not have all the accolades that Lamar had at the time, but he has certainly taken Dallas to a different level and successful. He could have got a deal done. I think Jerry chose not to give him a deal. They said, we're working on it. We just want to win some games. We just want to win some games. We just want to win some games. We actually got a peek inside how Jerry Jones does a little bit of business

from Tony Romo's football life, where Jerry Jones, Bill Parcells, Big Tuna, and Tony Romo shared a story about a situation. And for those who are wondering why players, okay, ex-players, whenever they're speaking about the NFL, it is a situation. And for those who are wondering why players, okay, ex-players, whenever they're speaking about the NFL, it is a game. It is certainly a game. But this motherfucker should be viewed as a business. And whenever you hear players are taking care of business,

you can't blame them because this story got put out as like a good story. Listen to what Romo and Bill Parcells did to Tony Romo moments before he became their starting quarterback, basically. Before the game, you go out and you warm up for an hour, and I come in, and all of a sudden one of the coaches says, Hey, Coach Parcells wants to see you in the coach's office. And so I'm like, okay, that's different.

Bill and I got him in a little old room, like a closet almost. Tony, come on, sit down right here. Bill's sitting there with a little bit of a scowl on his face. Put this chair and right about to sit down to kind of pull the chair in. So now it's like all three of our knees are touching right next to each other. And I had both my feet kind of on his toes and Bill was sitting there almost a half an inch from his ear. It's about the most intimidated I've ever been in any sort of a setting in your life.

So we were squeezing him a little bit to sign the deal. Bill says, you know, I can't play today. I can't play today. I mean, we're not going to showcase you for the rest of the league. You out there, you play well. You know, you're a free agent this year, and you're going to go play somewhere else. I'm not going to let you play to that unless you're going to sign this contract that we offered you. He was so composed.

He was so good. You got to start fighting. And he looked me in the eye and he said, I'm going to get to play when you've got an investment in me. The one you've proposed doesn't really make the kind of investment in me that I think will get on the field. I need to get on the field. And so Jerry looks over at Bill and they look at each other and they're like, okay, I think we're going to do the contract that you want. And I was like, okay.

I shook his hand and said, that's done. He walked out of that door and Bill jumps up and grabs me and said, we've got us a quarterback. I said, man, did you see that composure under this kind of pressure? Did you see that? We were fucking putting him under the gun there. We were stepping on his goddamn toes. You were whispering in his damn ear.

We tried to get him to sign a terrible deal, and he just sat in here, and he took it. And that's a great point by Tony Romo. Hey, you'll put me on the field whenever you feel like you have to put me on the field by how much you're paying me. Tony Romo would go on to talk to Graham Benzinger about that story a little bit more. And the way he laid it out is he was on the Rookie Men at the time, which is $250,000.

They were trying to get him to take a $500,000 per year contract, basically, to become the starter. This is the day he's about to become the starter from being a backup quarterback to become the starter. And it ended up being $2 million a year for that particular deal. So 4X Tony Romo was able to get it under pressure in the pocket in that little tiny little closet that they were trying to bully him. So good on Tony Romo. But also,

you got to respect the business from Jerry and from Parcells. But whenever you hear a player go like, no, I got to get as much money as I can. It's because that shit's happening. You think Jerry Jones gave a fuck about how much money Tony Romo was thinking about going into that meeting? No way. Bill and Jerry wanted him to sign for 500 grand.

You'd be a starter for the Cowboys, and you'll be severely underpaid versus everybody else. Tony Romo sat in there, did a little negotiation back, got a good deal, moved forward, and now they laugh about it. But, Jesus, think about the intent of what that meeting was. And now ask yourself, I wonder why players are always trying to get as much money as possible. It's like, well, they've been told that story times 10.

That one just made it out about a starting quarterback. I would love to hear some of the stories from other guys that are like second string D linemen or linebackers. The deal that they were offered maybe to go on to IR or anything like that. It is a business and it needs to be viewed as such by everybody. Even though the game that we love and everybody played as kids is still at the core of it all. Yeah, it's insane even to think now that a quarterback was proposed, but even proposed a $500,000 salary, and that was something written down. Obviously, $2 million is nothing, too, but he wasn't a first-round pick, right?

No. Okay, that's what I thought. $250,000 is just rookie men at the time. Now it's like $420,000 or something like that. But Jerry Jones, one of the businessmen that has risen in our – sorry, rose the NFL? He has risen the NFL's worth? Raised.

The NFL's? Yeah. Raised. He's one of the reasons why, because of the way he does business. I think everybody talks about him being a leader in the owner's community. It's because, did you hear what he just tried to? Think about the TV people going into a meeting with Jerry Jones, by the way. Think about TV people.

Hey, why don't you come on in to this, because, yeah, this is my office. Yeah, I really like it. Turn those lights off, please. Spotlight on. Hello, Apple. You won't get in the fucking Sunday ticket game, do you? We want $2.5 billion in that Apple person with the lights on, never met somebody from the sports world.

Excuse me? It used to be a billion. Wasn't it a billion? Yeah, we're thinking $2.5 billion is what we're thinking. Wasn't fucking DirecTV saying they were losing $500 million a year with Sunday tickets? That's their fault. You bad business. We don't want to get in the tickets. That's their fault. You bad business.

We don't want to get in the business. That's why we got out of there. Just think about those negotiations now that you've heard what happens with a quarterback for the starting program. I couldn't even imagine happening everywhere else. And that's why the NFL gets $110 billion for 11 years minus the Sunday ticket rights that are about to come

for $2.5 billion a year, allegedly. $2.5 bill a year. With YouTube getting in, Google getting in for YouTube TV or YouTube, and also Apple getting in. And they have a never-ending supply of cash, these companies. The NFL knows that. They're the only show in town. Who will they get the next bucket from?

Who will come into an office in which Jerry will be stepping on their shoes, asking them, you won't get in business with the NFL, do you? We'll fucking see, pal, won't we? That really does make you think. Because I assume that that's not that common. Like, playing on a guy's emotions like that right before he's about to start, like, a thousand percent we're trying to fuck him over. Like, hey, he's got to worry about the game.

Maybe we bring him in here and we get him for nickels on the dollar. Oh, yes. I can't imagine that that happens very often, although with Jerry, maybe it does. Oh. I feel like it happens a lot. Really? Yeah.

No, like in – With a quarterback, not going to happen. Yeah, exactly. Quarterback, not going to happen. And I think game day negotiations, I don't think I've heard. That's what I'm saying. It's crazy. On a game day.

But like Saturday. Right. Like, hey, you want to be up on the roster or down? Hey, are you willing to take this to go become an active member of the 53? Whoever gets this role, probably not going to play tomorrow anyways, but would you take this deal instead of this deal, which the person next to you might take? Like the amount of that type of shit.

It's a business. You have to respect the way everybody does their business, but we have to remember a lot of money on the line, and the people that are handing out the money only have a bank account that's growing and growing as the day goes on, and they know it. That kind of felt like Romo was in an interrogation. He's just been like, lawyer. Yeah, I would like to speak to him.

Lawyer. Where's my attorney? By the way, he did his own deal. I like that even more. Let's get to a break. We'll wrap up Hour 1 here with some 5-Hour Energy phone calls. Shout out to Reddit for funding that clip. Yeah, it was awesome.

Inevitably from NFL Films, but NFL Reddit found that thing, ran that thing, and everybody's like, look at this. phone calls shout out to reddit for finding that clip yeah it was awesome inevitably from nfl films but nfl reddit found that thing ran that thing everybody's like look at this it's like i respect the way they they did that but also like from a player's standpoint it's hard to blame guys hard to blame guys when they're like i don't trust anybody i fucking need to get all the money i can it's like yep here's why in those horror stories are told by older veterans in the locker room to younger guys in the locker room. Normally the rookies, second-year guys, they have no idea. Once you go through a negotiation and a conversation

and you're the thing on the table at Pawn Stars being talked about, it's hard not to get super jaded. You just got to hope you get past it and get enough dollars that you can just be like, all right, I don't fucking hate this person as much as I should. I wasn't able to do it. Let's ride. That's what I mean.

That's what you were about to say. I kind of stepped on a ride. I was going to say we're back chit-chatting about sports, and then I was hoping that the let's ride would come in afterwards, but I grossly underestimated the amount of time that we had left in that open. That's 100% on me because there's a lot going on. Teams are checking in in training camp. What's that mean?

Oh, we might get some initial glimpses at some players in some new places. You know, Devontae Adams looked awesome in that Raiders gear. We got some quotes out of him. Derek Carr looks fantastic. Obviously, the Jaguars are already in training camp. And the thing coming out of there, ETN was asking Trevor Lawrence questions at the press conference.

The team's coming together. It's a different Jags this year with a Super Bowl champion head coach and a little bit more of a professional operation. Obviously, the Bills and the Rams already in training camp because they kick off the NFL season on Thursday. So they had a couple-day head start

over everybody else. 28 more teams start training camp tomorrow. We are officially in NFL season. We will hype this up for a day or two. Then we will be bored. Then the preseason game will come in the form of a Hall of Fame game. We will watch two or three drives of that. And then we'll say, oh, this is not NFL football.

This is more Canadian football, XFL football. I don't know any of these players. We'll get through the first week of preseason. We'll be bored with it again. And then the regular season is right around the bend. At Boston Corner, how many days until kickoff? 45 days until NFL kickoff, Pat. Wow.

That's nothing. That is nothing. We can do 45 days. Two weeks from tomorrow, too. I feel like sometimes we build this up. I think more so than anywhere near any season than this one. I mean, MCDC and the Lions on Hard Knocks is going to be primetime television every Tuesday. They're visiting the Colts. I mean, it's going to be

a fantastic time. We have survived the offseason at Ty Schmidt. You have survived being a father thus far? Hell yeah. Yep. Thriving and surviving. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hey, happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day, Ty. It's coming up.

In about a year. At Tone D. Happy Father's Day. A couple months. About a year. At Tone Diggs, obviously one half of the hammer. Dad! Cowboys, absolute stallion. Great to see you. Let's talk about a guy who I believe baptized one of his children in the Lord. Yeah, that's right. I don't know if he's this man's Super Bowl champion, college football national champion,

a Ryder Cup champion, COVID survivor, private plane survivor, motivational speaker, cigar extraordinaire. This guy is one with the Lord. This guy this weekend took some of the Lord's water out of the Lord-o and put that on his baby and said, Jesus save you. Not only him, Jack Johnson and many others of his family, which are an elite bunch of athletes at the top of their craft, all over there in Columbus, Ohio, the home of the Ohio State. Ladies and gentlemen, the face of Ohio, the God's number one guy, AJ Hawk. Yay! AJ!

How you guys doing? You all right? Baptisms out of Lourdes? Holy shit! What is this? That was a week ago, Jay. How are you guys doing? You all right? Baptism's out of Lordo? Holy shit. What is this? That was a week ago, yeah. That was a week ago? How come it just got out the other day? I thought you guys were spending extra time at Lordo for the Lordo, you know?

No, he had 24 hours. I told you. We did the whole thing, the beer drinking Saturday night, and then the baptism was Sunday morning, and then they had to take the cup by noon. So that was a baptism right there, or no? That is a baptism. That is not my they had to take the cup by noon. So that was your, that was a baptism right there or no? That is a baptism. That is not my child. I am the godfather.

That's my niece right there. Oh, you are the godfather? Hell yeah. Wow. So you got the godfather, you got Lord O, then you got this preacher. Go back, please. Go back to that previous photo. You got the pastor preacher here?

Yep. He's representative of God, and then god's water on the forehead and what's that mean i guess that's the they the holy water they put in the cup i guess so what's that mean though what's about what are you why are you trying to why are you coming to me for details on this you're the godfather you're there i'm just wondering what my business i'm just wondering what this is like what this is like Baptism is a big day, right? This is a big moment, right, for a lot of religious folks? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, everyone does it at different times. People that do baptize their kids, I guess. It just timed up perfectly for Jack's three kids here. Okay, so full congregation outside here from where the cameras are taking the photos at? Yeah, I mean, it's during a church service, like at the end of the service. They brought them in and we did it. Is everybody in there offered up some Lord of Baptism if they want, or is it just by request only?

No, I think they had to schedule this beforehand. It's not like, hey, who wants to get baptized? Come on up here. Okay, so it's not like the Christ checks thing. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what this is. The what? Huh?

The body. Communion. Yeah. Oh, yeah, communion. It's not what this is. The what? Huh? The body. Communion. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Communion. It's not communion, no. Okay. So I didn't know if this was like the vino, the wine, and the carb that goes there.

Yes. This is something that is scheduled and set up. Correct. Special mass. Got it. How many? Just one person blessed out of the Lord? No.

All three of his kids were this day. Oh, wow. So sweet. Is Brady the other godfather? Are you guys godfathers together? Yep, Brady's the other godfather, and then Jack's brother is the other godfather, Jake. Oh, my God.

So to put together a team, he said, Listen, my godfathers are going to be able to fight everybody else's godfathers. Exactly. If we need to get in the end, it'll be a godfather scrapped to the death. Is Fickle getting the next kid? you got Luke Fickle getting the next kid out of Jack Johnson's family? I don't know, Luke's got six kids and I haven't seen most of them in a while

I wouldn't mess with any of them that's awesome, I wish I was there for that Luke is old school Catholic everything all about his oldest, I don't know where he's committed yet, but he's a good football player have you gotten a text from vrabel about you saying that you would take fickle over vrabel any day of the week if it was a battle to the death because fickle has no idea how to die surprisingly i have not made either yet from braves so he's a little caught

i think he's probably a little busy putting his training camp schedule together when he gets a free moment i'm sure he'll reach out yeah I thought that was going to be a much bigger thing, you know, over there in Ohio, but it feels like everybody just like, yep. Fickle the dog. Fickle the dog. Joining us now, speaking of training camp schedule and putting it together, four teams have already reported. Those teams, Jags Raiders, they're in the Hall of Fame game.

Bills, Rams, obviously they're the kickoff game for Thursday night football. There's 28 more teams checking into training camp tomorrow. So you've got a lot of players contemplating whether or not they want to continue to play football today. Happening and then obviously packing up all your shit and going and diving into a six-month dedication and commitment that you probably won't see your family nearly as much as you have. Joining us to chit-chat about all the stories going into training camp and what we should maybe keep an eye out for senior nfl insider for the nfl network and the league itself host of the weekly wrap up with rap sheet and friends he being rap sheet us being the friends ladies and gentlemen how are you pal what should we be keeping an eye out for this is a big day four teams in training

camp 28 tomorrow a lot of guys may be retiring today, Ian. What do you think? I mean, the NFL has a way of retiring guys for them, so if you're at this point and all anyone's offering you is the minimum and you don't want to play for the minimum and nothing's moving, you're probably retiring. That's not what I'm talking about,

Ian. I'm talking about people putting shit into bags going, I don't want to fucking go to training camp. I don't want to do that. There's a lot of, you know, that happens. I don't know how often actual retirements come from it. There was a couple years, though, where there was some motivational speeches that had to be given to some veteran players about, hey, one more.

Come on. One more run. Let's do this. Whenever you start thinking about the NFL as a whole, the outlying off-season conversations that are making their way into training camp, let's start with one of the biggest ones. Lamar Jackson at camp early. He has obviously put out some things that would signal that he understands

that there is money on the line. Where are the Ravens? Where's Lamar? Do you expect a deal to get done? Was he waiting on Curley, Kyler, or is he going to go play out an entire year here and bet on himself? Yeah, so let's start with Lamar, do you expect a deal to get done? Was he waiting on Curley, Kyler, or is he going to go play out an entire year here and bet on himself? Yeah, so let's start with Lamar. First of all, he showed up to training camp, looked good, looked big.

I thought at least, and, you know, yeah, all jacked up and was not shy about sharing it on social media. And, you know, to me, he does understand money is at stake he knows what he's playing for but i don't necessarily get the sense that that means anything is imminent that he is definitely signing anything right now i mean everything i have heard is that he is more in it for the long haul rather than like right now have they negotiated at all i know they've talked has lamar gone back and forth I have not heard that they have. Now, the Ravens generally will keep things quiet, but usually we end up finding out.

I have not heard that he has really gone back and forth and kind of been like, all right, well, you offer me this, I'll get you this. Now, you mentioned the Kyler contract. You know, to me, that's the kind of commitment the Ravens would be willing to make Lamar and more and it didn't sound like when they kind of made that sort of clear to him like hey look, you're our franchise guy, here's what franchise guys get paid, all that it didn't sound like he really gave

a lot back, kind of strengthening the thought of like maybe he's just going to play this down the line and kind of see what happens. Let's go Lamar fucking go get, Lamar. Fucking go get it, Lamar. We see the Raiders are out. You know, camp has started. Things seem to be very positive right now.

Everybody feels pretty good about where they are. Do you think the Raiders, is this a real thing? Are they going to be contenders for the Super Bowl this year? It seems like everything is kind of lining up to point in that direction. And what did you just get a text for? Actually, it was Palacero calling me, even though I'm in the middle of this. Why? I don't know, but sometimes... They talked about Jerry Jones negotiating earlier.

Do not talk about that. I didn't get a chance to watch it. That sounds like it could be pretty interesting. Well, I mean, Jerry Jones said, we invited Tony Romo into the smallest closet we could fucking find. And I had Bill Parcells lean on his shoulder, and I stepped on his toes, and we said, hey, here's a fucking terrible deal,

but you want to be a starter for the Cowboys? And Tony Romo said, not like that. And he fucked us over. He got 4X, what we thought, and he became a starter. That's all she wrote. The business, shrewd business of that story was why I think every player will view the NFL as a business as opposed to fans. But I like the fact that Tony Romo sat in the pocket and made it happen. Nonetheless,

let's get back to the subject at hand, the Raiders. The Raiders. Yeah, I think the Raiders are going to be good. I really do. I mean, I'm sort of thinking back. I remember the last time Josh McDaniels was a head coach and, you know, obviously did not work out in Denver, but remember they, they, they started so fast. I mean, this is a guy who is really, really good at designing an offense, making it tough to defend. He has got a very good quarterback. He's got one of the best receivers of this generation.

And they got a team that made the playoffs last year. Now, I know that, you know, last year there was some – they were trailing a lot of the games. They made a lot of late field goals, all that. That's right. This looks like a team that should be really deep in the mix late in the season. I mean, there's a lot of hype around them, and as I kind of look at them,

and I'll be stopping by their training camp on August 1st, I think, or August 2nd. Yeah, I got my schedule done. Pretty excited. Are you stopping by Planet 13 out there in Vegas? I would say, since I don't know what that is, probably not. It's a big weed store. You sell a bunch of weed.

But I went there. I picked out four or five different strands. They had none of them. Good coffee, though. Great coffee. It's a beautiful store, though, the LED. I'd say probably not would be my guess there. It's worth walking into what the future is going to look like, it seems like.

That store is very nice. They had no weed that I had asked for. walking into what the future is going to look like, it seems like. That story was very nice. They had no weed that I had asked for, and I was leaving town, so I couldn't do it. Sorry about that. No, it's okay. You're heading to the Raiders. Obviously, Devontae is going to be asked a lot of questions about his relationship with Carr and Aaron Rodgers, and obviously there will be no real answers until the season starts. I think everybody's kind of happy and pumped to get past all this shit that you're inevitably going to have to get past let's go to the packers bachari on the physically unable to

perform list he was out all last year he played what against the lions in trash time then he didn't play in the playoffs had this entire off season now he's on pup to start training camp what does that mean and what has happened here is there more to the story to bachari's injury than any of us know it has it feels like it has to be well I mean look anytime a guy starts in the pup list it means that he's not physically able to play which means he has not passed a physical I think with Bakhtiari there's always going to be caution and I remember going back to last year you know there was definitely some people that thought like all right he's's ready to play. Played against, what was the Lions, right?

Played late in the season. And then he just never felt comfortable and never really got back out there. I don't get the sense that there's a major, major thing here. But until he gets out on the field and does it the next day, it's always going to be something to watch. And he is a, talk about Devonta Adams being one of the best receivers of a generation Bakhtiari maybe the you know top two left tackle he is a great player until he gets out there and is like I'm good stop asking then it's going to

be a little bit of a concern but it's also worth noting that pup can be a precaution it can be a we're going to have a guy in a Pup list for two days. We're going to make sure he's good on the field and can come back the next day, and then we're going to clear him. So there are going to be some of those. Ian, could you explain quick what the Pup list is, why teams have it to people who don't know? Basically, yeah, what the Pup list is,

is it gives teams the right to put a guy on an inactive list to start the season. So let's say you'll have like 10 players who haven't passed a physical, aren't like 1,000% ready to practice. If they go out and practice when they're not quite ready and have a setback, they have to count as a roster spot when the season begins. Basically what it does is it gives teams the right to have injured guys on the side, not counting on the active list, not counting against them. Once you activate a guy, then if he has a setback or has to have surgery or something,

then you have to like put them on IR, something like that. So it basically allows you to put guys to the side until they're fully ready. It used to be six weeks mandatory, right, on the PUP, and then you dropped that off? They changed it. Now it's four. I mean, they've done a lot of, I would say, player-friendly stuff with some of these lists and some of these rules. Some of it happened with COVID.

But, like, it's getting easier for guys to get back on the field now rather than saying, hey, look, if you're on the pup list to start a season, you're out six games no matter what, now it's a couple less, which some players will take advantage of that. So it's four, if you go on the pup, you're out four? Right. From the moment you go on or season?

No, from you're out the first four weeks. Of the regular season? Of the regular season, yeah. So Bocciari's out? Yeah. No, no, no so no no no once now he reserves the right to miss the first four games there's another deadline when the season begins like you are on the pup list to start the season then you have to miss the first four games so right now

what it means is not really much of anything except he's just not going to be on the practice field day one that's it sweet what does nfl plus mean to you hopefully more money for all but no for the first time on the show hey everybody let's clip that let's make sure everybody knows that this is the first time ratport has really showcased who Rapport is. That's right. Hey, way to go. Thanks for being a human on the show. Love to see you.

Thanks for being a human. I've showcased my shallow side plenty on this show. Yeah, yeah. Of course, of course, of course. No, NFL Plus is going to be good. It's going to give for people who like the All-22, the Game Pass, that stuff. It's going to be available and a little bit cheaper. And it's going to give a lot of really cool extra that stuff. It's going to be available and a little bit cheaper, and it's going to give a lot of really cool

extra football stuff. Might I find my way on NFL Plus to do a little more than I'm currently doing? Potentially. Also, if you like streaming games on your phone or iPad, you should also subscribe to this because you'll get to stream. I watch

games, I don't know, half the time anyway. Yeah, well, it's great to hear you follow the product. Is the NFL Plus Premium, is that the Rappaport package? That's where we'll get more of you? Or is it in this NFL Plus regular $4.99 a month? Where does the Rappaport clause cut? Is it $10 a month for Rappaport, $5 a month? Yeah, only on phone or tablet?

I think right now I would be in the, when I do start really contributing to that, I'll be in the five category. But I would say if you want more Rappaport, this is the product for you. Assuming they let me be on it. All right, I'm sure the NFL is not happy about that. We're trying to make the NFL Plus a desirable thing.

And we got Rapport out there saying, you want more of me? That's pretty desirable. Oh, okay. You're right. You're right. You're 100% right. One thing is, like, there's not a lot of places I'm available. So this will actually give a rare opportunity to have me speak about football.

It would be great to see the punditry of Ian Rapport, not just the insidery. And will you be like this or will you be like NFL Network on NFL Plus? Hopefully more like this. Oh, hair down. Do the whole thing. Still make up, but looking more relaxed. This is the training camp polo. This is pretty...

Wow. We made it to the season. 90 golf rounds in you got from Super Bowl till now. Now we're back in the grind. You're about to hit the road. We go it was you 90 golf rounds in you got from super bowl till now now we're back in the the grind you're about to hit the road we can't thank you enough i know there's some questions from the boys go ahead ty rap sheet going back to the pup thing i saw that christian watson is also starting the year on the list for the packers would that be something to be concerned about like is that something that they would have potentially known in the draft or is that just

like some nagging thing you think that he got got hurt while he was preparing to go to training camp? Right. So my sense on that one is actually like a lot of the rookies. So rookies don't go on PUP. They go on non-football injury, even though it is a football injury, it just wasn't an NFL injury. So that's what a lot of rookies go on. I didn't get the sense anything is you know really troubling or worrisome i mean he recently signed his contract you need to pass physical to sign your contract if it was anything long-term and concerning there might have been an issue there um so i didn't get the sense that's anything anything bad and there's you know there's there's a lot of guys on some lists now and i would say the amount of concern for many, many, many of these guys

is kind of like, meh. Speaking of contracts, McVay allegedly turned down Amazon. Tone Diggs has a follow-up. Yeah, I thought there was a report that he had a new coaching deal because we talked about how much it must be or whatever because of him turning down Amazon. he doesn't have a new contract uh you're talking about mcveigh right yeah uh i would say he does not have a contract yet what sometimes happens is the rams uh you know they like to announce some things and they like to uh kind of do what the rams do which is a huge cool

production and you know kind of like they did Rams do, which is a huge, cool production, and, you know, kind of like they did when they came out with that ridiculous movie trailer. I think everyone knows that Sean McVay and Lesney both have earned extensions. To me, it's more of a matter of, like, figuring out and finalizing when it's all going to become official. I know, was it three or four years ago?

They got DocuSign now. You can just email. You can just email and sign it on your phone. Yeah, no, I've done Doc. It's actually a great product. You push the button, and it does a signature, which kind of looks like it would be your signature. Well, you had to put it in there first.

Like, you had to agree to that signature. Then it saves it. Then you put it in. Is it possible my wife did that? I have no recollection. It's everything for you. In your particular world, yes. All your contracts are void now. That is certainly. So you put it in. Is it possible my wife did that? I have no recollection. It's everything for you. In your particular world, yes. All your contracts are void now.

That is certainly. So you didn't sign any of those? That's Larry Hall, capital letters. Uh-huh. Wow. No, I definitely did it myself. So I think, you know, might the Rams have some contract extensions to begin training camp? I think that's possible.

They did it four years ago in a pretty cool announcement, so I would say that's something to look forward to, and my guess is McVay isn't turning down anything unless he knows there's some good things coming his way. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, Rap Sheet, are you nervous for any of the training camp visits this year after Vrabel almost stuffed you in a locker

last year, and are you going to change your strategy when you're at some of these places? Great question. First of all, I'd like to tell you guys I'm going to change your strategy when you're at some of these places? Great question. First of all, I'd like to tell you guys I'm going to be visiting Indianapolis. Do you guys happen to be around? Oh yeah, because the Lions are coming, so you're trying to get on hard knocks. Nope, no, no, no, no.

I'll be there on Back to Football Saturday. This coming Saturday, so if you guys are available. Summerslam. Great timing, Rapsh. Hey, Backapshita. Hey, back to football Saturday. You want me to come on SummerSlam?

I don't control. Actually, I don't know who you would even ask at this point for that. I don't even know. With everything going on, I'm not even sure who would be the right person. It's funny that when Vince McMahon announces something, I'm like, is this real or fake? Yeah, me too. I'm flying on a plane. I'm flying on a goddamn real or fake? Yeah, me too. I'm flying on a plane.

I'm flying on a goddamn plane. Drop below 10,000 feet. You got no service. Nice slow landing, too. We flew low for a long time. Hit the ground. What the fuck? Who's gone?

Who retired? When? What am I walking into right now? That's Friday, though. Anyways, I don't think you're getting invited to SummerSlam. So back to football Saturday. Is this Saturday? Yes, it is this Saturday.

So every team practice is pretty exciting. It's like 20 hours of coverage. It's crazy. But to answer your question, I have made a dramatic alteration to the way I conduct myself on the practice field. First of all, I'll not be going to Tennessee. Not because of Vrabel, but just... No.

Vrabel and I are... I wouldn't say close. We're definitely friendly. I'm friendly with him. I don't know if that's the case. He bullied you. Well, anyway, there's some mitigating factors. Anyway, I will not be –

Potentially. I will not be talking – I will not be having casual conversations with players who happen to be rehabbing injuries. Smart. Despite the fact that they're on the field, even though they're riding a bike, and even though they talk to me first,

I've definitely learned my lesson there. Oh, yeah. Just throwing people under the bus. No, I'm not saying – saying he's under the bus. He was talking to me. Anyway, I'm not going to be doing that anymore because I don't want to get yelled at and then bounce from practice.

So I've changed my ways. You're going to Green Bay to talk to Aaron about the way you've changed the way you report contracts to strictly for his contract to fit a narrative that you pitched? Unfortunately, Green Bay is also not on my list. God. Seems to be smart.

You've got to be kidding me. Seems to be smart. No, it just didn't fit in. The travel's so tight. I got a good list, though. I got a good list of places, but Green Bay did not make the cut. AJ, what about Baker? I saw Baker high-fiving the crowd.

I don't know what was going on, a soccer match? What was happening there? How's he going to do in Carolina? What's it going to look like when they open up practice? He's getting paid less than Sam. He's getting paid less than Sam, but I don't know. That's going to be an interesting quarterback battle.

I know Sam knows the offense. He's kind of got a leg up and whatever, but it feels to me like when a team does everything they've done to trade for Baker, the actual money to me, like how much actual money they're paying him doesn't matter. The fact that they got a good deal and then the Browns are paying a lot of the salary, I don't think that will alter things because clearly they knew that they needed to trade for him.

And that to me sort of gives him like a real, real chance to win this thing. And if you're Baker, I know players don't like giving up money, and they almost never give up guaranteed money. I kind of liked it for Baker because he gave himself the opportunity to be a starter and to earn in the 30s next year if he goes out and has the kind of year that he had two years ago. I think I love just, you know, players don't like giving up money. Nobody likes to give up money, Ian.

Nobody. No human likes to give up money. Yeah, no human does. I don't think there's anybody. Well, where's the money coming from, I guess? True. And that's a whole new conversation. So we talked about Baker there.

Him and Sam Darnold and the boys were out thrown before training camp. Looked like they're all getting along. That's great. I think a lot of us have forgot about the electricity that Baker Mayfield can bring to a place whenever all things are kind of – you got news? Not yet. Not yet. Oh, there's news coming today, though?

I hope so. Is it about Jimmy G? Because I was about to ask you, what's going on with Jimmy G? What are you – Tom is just calling me. We need to be on the air. We have six minutes. What if he needs you to...

I can see them. Answer it. Give him an oil change. Answer it. Do you want me to answer it? Yeah, let's see what doesn't... No, because he's going to be annoying. No, no, no.

No, no. You've got to be kidding me. He's not annoying. No, he would never do that. Yeah, do it. All right, well, what's going on with Jimmy G? Does he know? Is he plugged in?

Is that why he wants to help you with this answer? Is his tag team hawking animal? I doubt that. I doubt that. I mean, look, that's one of the things we're waiting on. I know he's not fully healthy, not fully cleared. Mid-August is the time for that. It would be real sort of odd a departure if a player didn't show up for training camp.

So that's my guess as far as what's going to happen. if a player didn't show up for training camp so that's my guess as far as what's going to happen um he's not going to show up no is is is okay i'm saying it would be it would be a real departure because like i know ota is a minicamp player but almost almost always 99.9 percent of the time players show up for training camp that's what i would expect and then he'll be there and he'll be on site, and they'll have a good look at him, and they'll sort of be eyes on him, ready to give him the full, full clearance.

And then when that happens, you can see where is going to be his eventual landing spot, and when are they going to be able to trade him, which you know they would like to do. When they give him full clearance, will he work out with the Niners? I think he will. I just don't know how they're actually going to handle the reps because, you know, training camp practices are open to the public.

So if he goes out there, oh, I got to say goodbye in a sec. If he goes out there and puts on a show, everyone is going to be watching and taking notice. I got to go do my real job. See you later. We appreciate you so much, Ian Rafferty. He's got to hit literally, I think, at 33 or something like that on Info Network. So let's make sure that son of a bitch doesn't say anything he didn't say here.

Yeah, he probably will. Hey, Irby, let's get some eyes on Info Network. Turn it up. See what Ian Rapport's breaking in there. He's got a lot of news, I think, on his phone. Yeah. We have to react to it. The Jimmy G, just because of what we have said about, hey, if Trey's going to it the jimmy g just because what we have said about hey if trey's gonna be the guy

and you got that whole team back that knows jimmy as the guy loves jimmy as the guy which is not a knock on jimmy by the way that's a good thing that jimmy's that way but isn't that kind of a distraction to what i don't know then yeah yeah like if jimmy's rehabbing his arm maybe i mean training camp practice is open. Jimmy's still rehabbing. He's not going to be running. He's not going to be running with the twos like 11 on 11. He'll probably be off on the side rehabbing.

With the trainers. He'll probably put together workouts with the trainers on the other side. Probably have a couple wide receivers that are in practice squads standing in positions. Then those clips will be the ones that hit the internet. And those will be the one that probably fodder the trade talk. But he's still going to be staying at the, they go somewhere for training camp they go to like dorms because jimmy's still being around right i mean yeah and you give them like an open practice and trey lance has what one or two bad you know drives and they see jimmy you know probably just making all the throws that we have that guy's noona over there. Doesn't cook, allegedly, but that fucking guy has great energy and is taking us to an

NCAA championship cup. Yeah, almost. That guy right there. Being in the Super Bowl. But we also, what you need to know, too, is like we are forecasting how we're going to overreact when we see Trey Lance throw his first pick and Jimmy's like over his shoulder throwing rehab routes with the trainers. We're like, oh, here we go.

I guess I got to put jimmy in now yeah jimmy's literally looking this way in the back and it's like one of those portrait photos that has like trey lance out of focus yeah with like maybe his helmet off and his head down and jimmy standing in the back like perfect up there throwing the ball it'd be like is this the scene that niners fans were expecting for the first couple weeks at training camp that's real that could happen it would and I think Jimmy's so fucking good at the you know winning games leadership I mean there's obviously a lot of conversations on what he can and can't do but they win so what he can do is just do whatever the fuck it takes to win which I think anybody is looking at.

There's going to be a lot of conversation around that, especially because it feels like they've handed the crown to Trey already. Yeah. They've already handed it. Hey, you're the guy. We need you to be the guy. King's going to be around a little bit. I mean, King's going to be hanging around a little bit.

He is well-liked by everybody. He has great energy. He was actually in charge. He was giving you homework assignments last year, but now it's your team. Trey, fucking take it. Come on. Trey, I just don't know how you expect a human to actually do that, but Lynch and Shanahan much smarter than us when it comes to that, right?

Yeah, and I think Jimmy doesn't want to be hanging out there either. Jimmy wants to go start somewhere and try to show everybody that he can be a starter in this league for a long time. I don't know how it plays out. I don't know how you bring him into camp. Obviously, if you haven't traded him by now, what's going to make somebody jump out and try to get him over the next five days? They're kind of, you know, it's a gift of being too talented, that roster.

They got a guy that they want to start and another guy that can start anywhere. And it's like, how do we figure out this whole situation with the young guy the future our team the present now how do we let this guy grow when we got a guy who's already been there done that with basically everything back it's just it's a real the debo situation how do we use debo it's like a sociology experiment happening over there for the niners and it's they have so much talent in such a good team they'll win games it doesn't matter, I guess. It is at the SAP Performers Facility in Santa Clara, California. So I assume they're not traveling.

They still stay in dorms or whatever or hotels. Hotels. Yeah. Well, if Trey, too. Unless the vets are allowed to go home, which would be great. That'd be nice. That'd be very nice. Are more teams doing that now?

I think, yeah. More and more. I always felt good as, like you know an adult sleeping with a really responsible other adult knocking on my door to make sure i'm in my room by 10 o'clock at night or whatever i'm like i saw you blacked out drunk just what two days ago now you're checking my room yeah whatever i'm all in in. I got to do what I got to do. So they're at the Performance Center, what you say? The SAP?

SAP Performance Center in Santa Clara, California. Who knows? Let's get to a break. It's their normal facility, I think. Yeah. They stay at a hotel? I would assume, yeah. Maybe for like, what, two weeks, and then they all move out?

Is that how it works usually? I know a lot of guys enjoyed the training camp because got them away from like their family and kids and were able to sleep in and focus on it and whatever as somebody that was never in the nfl with a kids or a family i didn't see the reasoning of it always but it did sleep in everybody went through the same thing you're right it is there is moments for. Like those couple moments or nights when everyone is hanging out and you get to see everybody. But normally, it's just your schedule is so jammed and you have like 10 o'clock bed check, 10.30, whatever it may be. A lot of times you get into the dorm at 9.45 and you're not doing a whole lot of hanging out. Yeah, there's like a 10-minute period, 15-minute period where everybody's dead tired. Or if there's a massive fight or an injury there's always some lingering conversation that take place and there is like you're kind of going

through it together you know you got to deal with the autograph hounds that are sleeping outside that are certainly buying meth with everything that they're selling you can smell them through your room that they've been sitting out there you're going and eating in the hall together you're getting checking it there is a a real team chemistry aspect of it i think but sleeping on terrible bed shitting terrible things like is that better than the you know the the whole the whole is it a overall pro or a con i don't know if anybody's ready for that conversation if we'll ever get the actual bottom of it yeah i mean for teams like the 49ers wouldn't help a little just because guys can kind of find out more about trail answers does that even matter whatsoever what we're saying

is could you do that the facility if you just had the facility 8 15 18 hours anyway yeah well and that's why it also makes sense like if you've been in the league for like several years it's like this i'm not doing this again i had to do it last year and the year before i'll tell you guys don't guys i don't know. I guess not. Ian was like, didn't really run with that at all. I thought there was a numerous I thought there was an uptick in guys retiring the day before training camp, two days

before training camp. Offensive lineman, defensive lineman, not fucking going. I'm not going back. I'm not doing it. Somebody tell them, I don't care. I signed a contract. Yep. Alright. I'm sleeping in my fucking bed. I don't want to i signed a contract yep all right i'm sleeping in my bed i don't want to do that it's uh it's really those locked up eight oh i think it's those first two weeks those first like 10 to 16 days of camp that's what everyone freaks out about

because once you get settled in and you get over the initial like okay oh first day of pads here we go everyone's overly fake excited for all of this. We all kill each other. We feel good. Once you get through all of that and your body kind of settles into camp, I think you're like, okay, here we go. Like, I'm ready to play the season now. There's always that miserable period.

And I was always like, well, what you guys get tired for? Come on. What are we doing? Fucking wake up. We got goal line tomorrow, boys. What are we doing? Better strap up a little tighter tomorrow. Let's get a good night's sleep tonight, huh? We got fucking goal line tomorrow boys what are we doing better strap up a little tighter tomorrow let's get a good night let's get a good night's sleep tonight huh we got fucking goal line oh let's see who's gonna make it who's not gonna make it's where you win games boys

and you gotta fuck you dude all right i'm just punting tomorrow hey i got backed up you think i'm happy about backed up pun i'm not happy about it dude what are you trying to give us terrible iphones ah miserable room after miserable room after miserable room happy about it, dude? What are you... Training camp was terrible. I felt... Ah. Miserable room after miserable room after miserable room. I'll never...

I'll never get to a point in my life where my fake enthusiasm was both needed and hated at the same time ever again.

In training camp, NFL training camps were definitely that. Walking into the offensive line room was just the best. The fucking best. Boys, we learn anything today?

Oh, fuck off. Oh, okay. I saw your hand placement earlier. Hey, are we not? What's going on? Thanks, Dad. That guy broke his shoulder earlier today. He's practicing through.

That's why it's got to be fucking tough. We need more people. We need more of you. Oh, such a fucking, just much different experience than me. Can't make the club in the tub. You start yelling that. What's that just can't make the club in the tub you start yelling that what's that can't make the club in the tub you start yelling at guys oh you're missing practice again huh oh you got two concussions one period way to go tell your brain to fucking toughen up never forget i mean i felt like i was needed in there but you are there that is that is needed that's absolutely needed in those situations.

I was reading the room sometimes. We're in the middle of stretch for I don't know what day it was, maybe 10 days in, 11 days in. Everybody's sore. Everybody. And we did, like, some ridiculous stretch move that I don't think our team had ever done before. It was like, yeah, this will help with the blah, blah, blah,

whatever who was leading it. I was like, we ain't got it, boss. We ain't going gonna try it again. Throw it out. It became like a 10-minute kind of a yo-face about the stretching. Everybody's just passing. Everybody's trying to delay, right? It's like when you're running sprints and you ask a question.

It's like everybody's just trying to delay, delay, delay, delay. I felt like I really helped out. But then, obviously, they just added on the end of practice. So I kind of fucked over everybody. We're out there longer than anybody was ever planning. So kind of a gift and a curse. From Mike Sandoz. Oh.

Whoa. We have found Sandoz information. Yes. Holy hell. We have gotten a hold of the author of the article from The Athletic that ranked all starting quarterbacks and quarterbacks that are currently competing for a starting role in a tiered process through 53 people associated with the NFL, 49 executives and coaches, four members of one team's personnel department. They ranked all the quarterbacks and we have some questions. Ladies and gentlemen, author from The Athletic,

world-renowned writer Mike Sando. Mike Sando! Sando, what's up? Thank you. Good to be on. Hey, thank you so much for joining us, especially on short notice. We started diving into your list here, which has been happening for eight years. Congrats. Nobody does anything for eight years anymore. Everything kind of falls by the wayside but we have some questions about the

tier system and the process of how this whole thing goes so we appreciate your time you're telling us that at least one person right had Patrick Mahomes as a tier two Josh Allen numerous people with tier two how does Aaron Rodgers was the only person that was completely universally said tier one that's why his score was a 1.0 and do any nfl teams reach out to you afterwards and say was it somebody from our fucking team that didn't put josh allen or patrick mahomes or tom brady uh in tier one how does that whole thing work mike thank god i don't just talk to one guy what if i talked to one guy in my homes in tier? I'd look like the biggest idiot in the world. But, yeah, you talk to 50 people, you're going to get some people with some different –

I love the nuance. I love the attention to detail. It's very good. No, it's real, though. Whenever you get the voting back and it has Josh and Patrick in tier two, are you alarmed and startled by it as well as you're going through it? No, because – so all that is on the younger guys is there's there's some people that whatever want to see it another year or have a concern here

there we could all say with rogers mahomes brady there's like not really a discussion right i mean we just know they are who they are there's some other guys you could say with burrow well he's had one you know he had one injured year he took him to the super bowl one year let's see him do it again that would be reasonable herbert hasn't even gotten to the playoffs. Right. But I think the vast majority, a high percentage, 75% of the people are saying,

yeah, Josh Allen's a one, right? 75% of the people. If I'm working for an NFL team and one of my fucking guys says, Josh Allen is not a tier one quarterback. I'd like that person off my fucking team. You have no idea what the prototype of the NFL looks like.

That's, that's why we had to reach out to you so much this is where our your ranking took us to this conversation so we appreciate yeah yeah yeah i get you too i wouldn't put those guys in tier two but i think there is a distinction to be made within tier one wouldn't you say i mean aaron rogers to me i love that it comes out i love that one guy picked a nit on mahomes because i think rogers is the best i think he's got the best command of everything. He's the most fun guy to watch because you don't even know

the little side things that are going on. He's got something going between the defensive coaches, between him, even the guys on the field don't know. He's so master level at this. There's no one. There's nobody like Rodgers.

Whole nother level. I love that he's won. Burrow at the bottom's no one. There's nobody like Rodgers. I mean, whole nother level. So I love that he's won. And Burrow at the bottom of it, fine. He's not Rodgers, but he's in there. And Allen's in there. Allen's had two kind of okay, shaky seasons to start his career. As those get to be a smaller percentage of his body of work,

he'll rise in there to the exalted level. This is like McAfee, tier one punter in 2014. Was I really? Let's go! I don't care that Marquette King led the league with 109 punts that year. You had a tier one year. That's certainly a punter stat. Having the most amount of punts is certainly a punter stat.

I love Marquette, but you media folks know. Go ahead, AJ. Yeah. Hey, Mike, what quarterback on there had such a big range maybe where some guys were giving them hey oh tier one tier two and also maybe through a couple tier fives like was there anyone that was vastly different well one was deshaun watson i mean one person gave him a five i'm like but they're like he's me they must have been saying he's not a starter he's not going to start this year so he's not but come on i saying he's not a starter. He's not going to start this year, so he's not. But come on. I mean, he gets ones, twos, and threes because nobody really knows. Let's see who else was people all over the map on.

Trevor Lawrence. Like Russ Wilson. Yeah, Wilson. So Wilson actually got one vote in Tier 3. So when Wilson first came into the league, great defense. Jeez. So I want to know who that person is. If I'm working in the NFL, I would like to know who thinks Russell Wilson, tier three player.

This guy kind of stinks. Well, here's the deal. When Russell Wilson came in, he was great. He was sharp. But they had the best defense of all time and a great running back in Marshawn Lynch. When you played Seattle, you played Marshawn Lynch. It affected the coverage and everything.

So it took him a while to get the credit. So then he came up two years ago. He's unanimous tier one. Two years ago, they're like, yep, the defense isn't as good this guy is money two minute offense the whole thing yeah he still needs that kind of run game to play off the play action because he's not the same pocket passer that all of these guys are a lot of the taller guys but he's good last year and a half what happened he's like he's in a bad marriage this is like a raj at the end of mccarthy era where you know he's still good

but he's been playing a long time. But there's something wasn't right. I mean, he wasn't the same dynamic guy. It was flashes. So now people are like, oh, yeah, I told you he needed the run game. You know what I mean? So there's a little bit of, he gets ducked and I think it's an important part of his career, right? I mean,

if he's right, Pete Carroll was holding him back and now he's going to go. They're going to hand him the playbook, and it's going to be the show. But I think there's some question in our minds if that's really going to happen. I love the way you speak. I want to let you know, Sando, I didn't know who you were before today. I'm a big fan of the way you operate, pal, because you speak with conviction, which I have the utmost amount of respect for.

Now, I watched Russell Wilson live in stadium. I actually hit an anvil for the Indianapolis Colts. Had a nice setup. The Colts were very nice to me. I appreciate that. And I watched him beat the fuck out of the Colts. And I was like, wait a minute. Russell Wilson is all the way back.

Now, him with Denver, is there a guessing game? How do you lay it out? Do you lay it out with the team that they currently have the team they will have this year like when you present them with this thing what are the guidelines for them to vote upon for the quarterbacks well I think we're looking at what they are right now and there's some projections some people are going to say dang it I'm going to move this guy into tier one because I think he's going to be but for the most part it's where they are now and there's some questions with what he's going to be in Denver, right?

I, I lay out the criteria. Like, I wish you could see this on my screen, but it's in the piece. I've got this little spreadsheet. I give the guys and it's got, uh,

it defines the tears. So tier one can carry his team each week. The team wins because of them expertly handles peer past situations. No real holes in his game, right? That's tier one. So people can filter that through. Get Patrick Bones out of there, somebody said.

Somebody said in there, get him out. Isn't that unbelievable? Yeah, that's what we're saying to you this whole time. Yeah, that's what we've been saying. It's unbelievable. It is unbelievable. But it is like a real guy. I mean, it's somebody I really respect. But this guy sent me his ballot. So it's the offseason

and I talk to most of the guys, but sometimes someone just shoots me their thing. I'm on vacation. They're on vacation. But on this one, I was like, we are talking. We are having a conversation. You cannot send this in. It better be good.

And so I used his quote in there. I mean, he didn't convince me, but these defensive guys, you know them. There's no one harder on quarterbacks than DBs, number one. They, like, give no respect. And then defensive coaches are a little bit, they're a little bit, I don't know, crusty, a little surly. You know. Yeah, yeah.

You know the defensive coaches. So sometimes they burr up a little bit, and maybe we got that. But, you know, it's one out of 50. I'm glad that one guy's there because maybe you wouldn't have called me. Well, 53, right? Because there's actually four people. There's 49. I love that you did that. So I was going to do a Zoom with those four people, but then

our vacation schedules didn't do it. Well, I may do something with them. Oh, were they on Dan Snyder's yacht? Couldn't Zoom in from where? No, I have to take the blame for this. I did a really unbeat writer-y NFL writer-y type thing. Oh, no, Sandoz! I was getting to know you!

I took a week off in June. I was kind of tricked into it. Usually I don't take vacation until later, but I took a week off in June and I missed the window. But by then my wife, I'd committed to her that we were going to go and I just said, you know, who do I want to piss off less? My wife or, you know, four guys from the personnel department

who probably are like, you know, they didn't think about it again after that. So I made the right decision. Yeah, you absolutely did. We appreciate you, Sando. We can't wait to look in. I'm a big fan. Hey, this is huge in the Sando household.

My youngest son, Cade Sando, is a McAfee. I mean, you could say anything. I could try to parent him. If you said something, that's the way it is. It's every day, McAfee this, McAfee that. Cade, listen to your dad. Except for if your dad tells you, like that one voter said,

that Patrick Mahomes is a tier 2 quarterback. Don't listen to that, Cade. He's a Rodgers fan. In fact, I took him... He's a huge, from birth, I took him to Lambeau this last year. He got a Rodgers fan. In fact, I took him. He's a huge from birth. Packer and I took him to Lambeau this last year. He got to see them beat the Rams, so I am a good dad. Yeah, you're a great dad. Great writer, too.

We appreciate it. And great husband, it sounds like, taking a vacation. Well, I mean, that's very debatable. In fact, she's probably going to be calling in here any minute to get on me about something. We'll see. All right, so we'll get off your back then. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Sanda. Thank you, guys.

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Nailed it. Way to go, AJ. That's cool. What if you had tased AJ? Oh, whoa. In the rain, too? Cuff, tap. What if you had speared him from behind? Try to cuff him, the whole thing. I saw that at Kid Rock.

Dude got tackled from behind. Oh, man. A guy ran on stage when they were riding because the show got canceled, and a security guy came and jacked the dude from behind. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so what happened? Kid Rock's show got canceled in North Dakota. Yep.

Then everybody rioted. Proceeded. Kid Rock was there or not there? canceled in North Dakota. Then everybody rioted. Proceeded. Kid Rock was there or not there? I believe he was and it was inclement weather so they canceled the show when everyone was there. Because it was an outside show. It was an amphitheater. Bad weather comes. Kid Rock says,

My name is Kid! is kid but it ain't dumb you know my name might be kid but I ain't dumb there's a lot of lightning and tornado look at that picture

he didn't even want to cancel they made him cancel yeah of course Joe Nardo out there bingo can't do this kid and Kid Rocks fans were not happy they took rockets my god that's a shocker Yeah, for Joe Nardo out there. Bingo. Can't do this, kid. And Kid Rock's fans were not happy.

They took Rockets. My gosh. That's a shocker. They were not happy. They were livid. Were they ever happy? If Kid Rock's performing. If Kid's playing. Yeah.

When the people comes on. Even then, I feel like there's a little bit of edge. So what happened with that Minnesota theater? That booked Chappelle and then canceled Chappelle? Yeah, what did happen? I don't know. Chappelle wasn't there. He was supposed to be there.

They canceled him because he's said things that they find to be. Because of the closer? Once he was booked, did a group come out and they canceled it because of a backlash? I think so, yeah. I think that was the exact case. And then I was checking the internet reaction, and it seemed to be pretty 50-50 on supporting the theater and certainly not supporting the theater

for canceling said show with Dave Chappelle. Yeah. I think the theater itself, they wanted to remain a place of welcoming. Yeah, something like that. I can't remember exactly how they worded it, so Chappelle was just like, yep, fuck it, we'll go over here then.

No, I think they canceled it. That's what I mean. Yeah, they canceled worded it. So Chappelle was just like, yep, fuck it. We'll go over here then. No, I think they canceled it. That's what I mean. Yeah, they canceled Chappelle. Yeah. Chappelle wasn't like, hey, I respect. I'll go somewhere else. They canceled Chappelle. So then Chappelle's people that already bought tickets, I think,

probably to that thing, had a bit of a reaction. I don't know. I was just reading through the reactions. People were... So it was canceled after local backlash is the heads. Okay. But tickets, I think, had already been sold, I think. And it really felt like people on the internet were not being real civil.

It's not very welcoming to cancel a show. It's true. They're trying to be welcoming. How many people have actually seen all of his material? That are from that theater or the people that say they don't want him to have a show at that theater whether they feel on either side one way or the other how many have actually seen all of the all of his material i know i haven't you know that whole because andrew schultz right andrew schultz just released his own on his own

website yeah and i assume he's made more than he would have made from a streamer at that point and i think there is a lot of comedians that are coming back stronger and harder than ever like hey these are jokes these are meant to make people laugh this is not meant to be hateful this is a hey we can laugh about everything going on but there are some people who have felt you know that these jokes are directly about ruining my life and bullying me and they they did not they did not enjoy everywhere that chapelle goes to and that's why i like him naming the center at duke ellenton is so sweet because it's just about i think it's our freedom of art yeah in the arts or something like that yeah this is my art he said

and everybody's attacking my art which hey the world has changed chapelle is going to sell a ticket though yeah anytime chapelle wants to sell a ticket and uh i think that was the thing about netflix right all the netflix employees were like we'll walk out of here walk out of here and they were like okay okay this is we're gonna push both yeah and we're gonna put chapelle special he's got three of them yeah Okay, this is... We're going to put Chappelle Special on. Yeah. We're going to put Chappelle Special. He's got three of them, actually. Yeah, Ted Serenis was like, okay, do it. Okay, you're welcome.

We're going to put these out. We paid this dude $100 million for his specials. We're going to have to put them out. That's like Spotify, right? They were about to... On Rogan, and they were like, all right, we'll take down a couple episodes for sure, but also, we're going to put this out.

See ya. Those musicians came back to Spotify, too, I think. They did. Did they? Yeah. It was a pretty rigorous six months, though, for those people who kind of listen to their music. Did they really? They came back?

The artists came back? They did. Oh, I didn't know that. Because this is, man. What, are you shocked? I am. Because everybody says they're going to move somehow. I'm moving, I'm moving, I'm moving, I'm moving, I'm moving.

Where are you moving? Okay? Wherever you go, I assume there's going to be something that's going to happen. You're going to be like, this place stinks. It's like, yeah, fuck, welcome to the world. Yeah, that does happen. But nobody ever moves, right? Everybody says, I'm moving, I'm moving, I'm moving.

And I only pay attention during times where we're forced to pay attention. So my knowledge of this whole thing, very limited. But everybody's going to move, both sides. I'll move if this happens. I'll move if this happens. I'll move if this happens. I'll move if this... Ain't none of these motherfuckers

ever get a new passport, right? No. So whenever the musicians finally said, like, you know, I'm out. I thought it was like, all right, somebody's going to... Here we go.

Somebody's going to do it. And you're saying... Oh, they're back. Yeah, no, no, go. Somebody's going to do it. And you're saying, no. Oh, they're back. Yeah, no, no, no. They're already back. What the fuck, dude? What's this all about? Half a year, though.

That's what it's about, man. I just finished that, I listened to that Phil book that came out, too, from Alan Shipnick. Oh, yeah. I believe that's his name. Shipnick, big fan of Phil, right? He's known him forever. The book is not just a hit piece on Phil. There's a lot of positive stories about Phil too.

Nice. What did you, they address like different rumors that Bill and his wife had to deal with. That dude's dealt with a lot of weird stuff over the years. Yeah. What else? What, what type of stuff did you learn about with Phil in there?

And how did you come out of that book? How do you view Phil Mickelson now? Uh, I don't know. I don't, I didn't really, didn't sway me one way or the other about Phil. What were some of his stories?

I just listened to it and listened to all the – it was cool hearing the stories how Phil, first off, he loves to gamble. That sounds like one of the things that we know about Phil. And he loves to kind of give dudes a hard time. And you could kind of see it through watching the match and everything how he interacts and how he talks trash. Like, okay, Phil's been like this forever. No spoilers, obviously, but any stories that you know somebody that's never listened to a lot of them

read a book it's a book i should read huh or listen to i think yeah you could you could listen to it pretty quickly what do you know if you just wanted to share some of the stories no i told you there's weird rumors that that dude had to deal with. There's rumors that he had kids from different places, that his wife was with different people, and his wife, Amy, who seems like an absolute saint, she could dress it and makes fun of it. She makes light of all these dumb rumors they deal with.

Okay. Is Shipnick the guy that got bodied out of the live? Oh, yeah, I believe he was. With Greg Norman. over his shoulder. Get that fucking guy out. So he's been... So the book, he didn't just write that overnight. So Phil has probably known that old ship Nick was writing

this book for a long time. A couple years at least. Which might have led to potentially why Phil... As opposed to just like the country that's funding it i wonder if you know norm was like oh yeah and also you're writing an entire thing about one of our golfers so sorry about it get out what happened you think after reading that book i don't know i really don't know what happened because it's if he didn't have those comments like this those

comments that phil made that phil says says were off the record to Shipnick, that's what started the whole firestorm with Phil, right? If he didn't have those comments, would the book even be popular? Oh, those were to Shipnick. What? That was to Shipnick? Yes, and Shipnick absolutely says in the book 100% this was not off the record. It was absolutely not.

Phil says it was, but it wasn't. Off the record. He said he said. There's no off the record. It's 2022, but it wasn't. Off the record. He said he said. There's no off the record. It's 2022. Yeah. There's no off the record. Kids know that, though, because they grew up with phones that have cameras.

Yep. I would hope. Older folks, to you youngs that are watching, older folks actually thought there was a time where you could say something to somebody and then nobody else was allowed to hear about it. And then you say, hey, that's off the record. That's off the record. Of course. Nowadays. Everything's on the record.

And you should act as such, by the way. Yeah, absolutely. You should act as such. Let's answer some phone calls and get the fuck out of here. Let's go to Zach in Kansas City. Zach, what's going on in the 5RNG phone line? 1-833-4-MAC. If you go to 5RNG.com, use promo code MACFEDE to receive

10% off your order of 5R Energies. They are delicious and get the job done. Zach, what's going on, pal? What up, boys? How you guys doing? Hey, not too shabby, Zach. Wrapping up a little Monday, huh? 28 teams are going to training camp tomorrow, including your Chiefs.

Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, for my Chiefs, I just drove by Mo West. I saw him a little bit. I saw the boys out there getting back into shape. You know, I'm ready for the season to start. Like that. What do you want to talk about, bub?

All right, well, I got a sports question for you and AJ, and I got a little bit of a bone to pick with Ty Schmidt. I'll get into that. Let's go with the bone. For you and AJ, fellas got a little bit of a bone to pick with Ty Schmidt get into that but uh let's go for you for you and AJ I'm joking joking I was just wondering for you for you and AJ so like the NFL is obviously different and like AJ out there is like built by some sketchy dude in a lab or something but like do you think AJ could have played like quarterback or like like when you're out there in practice and you're out there at OTAs and stuff, like, if you're proficient in a certain position

but you were drafted at a different position, like, what's up with that? What's up with that? What is up with that? I don't know, Zach. What's the bone to pick with Ty here? Oh, well, a couple weeks ago, that dude Ty, somebody said that Ty was the resident movie buff.

And as the Northwest Missouri State two-time back-to-back Wednesday movie night trivia champion, I just, you know, I took that a little personal. Okay, Zach. You go to Northwest Missouri, you fucking bow down to Zach. You don't know. You don't know. I got a bone to pick with Ty, too. Movie trivia night, you got no shot.

How many offensive linemen could play quarterback in the NFL? All right. What was your bone to pick with Ty? Earlier, Ty addressed the Tim Kirchhen situation and apologized. He put out a tweet apologizing, saying how much he loves Tim. He spelled Tim's name wrong in the tweet. K-U-R-K-I-J-A-N. I think I did K-I-R-K

I did it exactly how it would have been Gumpy but because I didn't have time to Look it up so this is I believe it is probably spelled Wrong That's auto correct give me a Fucking break Should have just copy pasted

What fucking Gumpy put up I should have but again you know we were coming right back into this show. I didn't want to be on my phone. I didn't have time, so I shorted it. Hey, I appreciate you. Sorry, Tim. Tim doesn't, but I appreciate you. Jesus Christ.

Again, I love Tim Kirchner. Love you, Tim. Oh, yeah. AJ, how many guys do you think could play another position in the NFL? There's some guys, but it'd be more like DBs playing wide out, wide outs playing DBs, maybe a— You playing running back maybe no i mean growing up yeah high school and stuff but not in the nfl i'm that's the

different world up there bud you're talking about like speed group speed group mid group big guys there's a lot i think it's interchangeable in that type of aspect as opposed to like uh this guy is uh safety and he could be a quarterback. A lot of guys maybe could. Maybe a couple guys could be. But normally they say, like I want to be a kicker and a punter. You can't spend enough time to do both or do the one or the other. And I think any position is hard enough.

The quarterback one has so much on your fucking plate. I mean, you have no idea who can handle it, who could not handle it. A lot of people athletically might be able to handle it, but the actual title of being an NFL quarterback, that's a lot more than fucking just physical ability. Absolutely. I'll say it for the millionth time, it's the hardest position in all of pro sports,

to be an NFL quarterback. Are you kidding me? Like, the stuff that's going on mentally, not only, like, every play, in between the play, every single day of your life when you're there, like, being the leader of that team and how much is on your shoulders yeah it's just it's crazy to see what these guys can do well and handling just getting fluffed up your entire life and not becoming a fucking untouchable prick that's a big part of it being able to okay first series of the game all these expectations on me oh i threw a pick six i had to go right back out

there and make that same throw yeah it's a lot of mental toughness i i think i would have i think i could have been a quarterback in college i think i could have been if i would have played in high school but no shot yeah no shot once that money turns coming around i'm i'm asked to be a leader all of a sudden no no i'm trying to have drinks with the boys here huh i don't know if i need to be the guy that's making all these head decisions for everybody. Well, if you have success early, like with Mahomes, he won the Super Bowl in his third year. And now for the rest of his career, it's Super Bowl or bust, right? Every single season.

That's how every quarterback views every year, though, I think. Like even Orlovsky. At least if you have it, though. You get that Super Bowl early. It's just a different kind of pressure. Like if you don't have it, it's okay. This guy is not certified. He's not official until he gets a ring but then you get that ring it's like okay

where's the second and the third and the fourth coming for the quarterback he has he has super ball so fuck everybody like if you're the quarterback he's arrived i've won a super ball fuck off now fans and pundits will say hey i'll, but I would assume if you're the quarterback, your thought is. Have you ever? Yeah. You've never. Like, think about it. Carson Wentz, he's got a ring.

He's untouchable, right? He's arrived. He didn't start in the playoffs. Yeah, he didn't play. AJ, what's your deal, huh? He's got a ring, though. Why'd you just do what you just did there? He's got a ring.

That's what you said when he was in Indy. Hey, this guy's a Super Bowl-winning quarterback. No, MVP. I never said Super Bowl what you said when he was in Indy. Hey, this guy's a Super Bowl winning quarterback. No, MVP. I never said, I said, because he was an MVP 2017. His ring still counts like everybody else's. I concur. But I don't think anybody's saying like, yeah, Carson won that Super Bowl. You know, Philly, Philly, Nick Foles, actually.

Yeah, he has a statue. Okay, look at Foles, though. Foles was the, I mean, he's the king right there. He got a statue outside. Then all of a sudden, bam, he's not playing. No, he was retired. Remember? Woods. He comes back.

Super Bowl MVP statue. Big contract, Jacksonville. Get the fuck out. Chicago, get the fuck out. What his life. Yeah. I mean, we're talking real. Statue was made at one point.

You know what I mean? Is he back with us no who do you sign uh good question falls yeah yeah he's with the colts he is right i thought so yeah i think he's with us yeah i thought he let's go there we go let's go get another ring let's go get nice a super bowl with a quarterback that's what i'm talking about frank's got his guy you see he never mvp candidate that guy nick, never. No. Never given the opportunity to be. No. Somebody else was in there, obviously.

Nick Foles, though, Super Bowl winner. When push came to shove, all eyes on the world were on something. What did Nick Foles do? Make a fucking play. Hell yeah. Well said. That's right. That's why he's a Colt.

That's why he's got a statue. That's Frank's dude, too. They're very close. Might be controversial. I don't know. Zito says we're probably going to have to sue somebody. What? Breaking news.

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Am I ruined forever? You know Gosling? Action hero? I could watch Gosling as an action hero. I couldn't do it, but I heard it's a great movie. Gray Man? Oh, no. Am I ruined forever? You know Gosling? Action hero? I couldn't watch Gosling as an action hero. I couldn't do it, but I heard it's a great movie. Gray Man? Oh, yeah. Is it good?

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Drive. He became a badass. He can do anything, I feel like. I don't know. I don't know enough. I'm not smart enough. I respect Gosling. I've seen him with Carell and everything

he's a heartthrob for sure he's very attractive but like the first two minutes of this whole gray man thing he was doing his thing it was hard not to

just be like I just smack him right in the mouth that little cute little you know what I mean if that was his opponent or his enemy but I guess he's a

fucking dog yeah he's an absolute dog in the movie he probably kills around like 75 100 people in guess he's a fucking dog. Yeah, he's an absolute dog in the movie. He probably kills around like 7,500 people in it. He's a dog. I couldn't get past it. I'm too mentally weak.

But I'll watch Drive. Then that'll re- reintroduce Gosling to me. Blade Runner. You're never going to watch Blade Runner. No, no. It's the first 10 minutes. True. Yes. We talked about Portland with Tink Tink earlier. I guess the movie about him, Gosling, is a killer in it? Uh-huh.

2049. Yeah, and he goes right at it with Batista. So, to Tony's point, you can just watch the first ten minutes. All right. That's the show. There you go. You got some homework. You want to call the lawyers?

Hey, don't sue him. Do not sue. Pat, please. You know what happened. Do not sue. We know. Bad things happen to some people that have Do not sue. Pat, please. You know what happened. Do not sue. We know. Bad things happen to some people that have lawsuits out there. Oh, Jesus Christ.

You're the worst. Jesus Christ. Nick, you got it. Come on, AJ. Some things are just for us. Come on. Shout out Ryan Harkle now. Yeah, shout out.

Shout out Ryan Harkle. Shout out to the five people who know what you're talking about. This guy, you are a problem, a menace, if you will. You tell me all the time, some things are for you. That was for you. No, that was for you. Can we call Giorno and ask him about it? Giorno would not know.

Giorno would not know this, which is a shame. Can we call Giorno, actually. Can we call Jordo, actually? Yep, calling right now. Let's see what Jordo's thoughts would be on what you just said there. Hope he's not pooping. Definitely not. I don't think so. Probably not.

He was pooping earlier. Yeah, he's probably eating lunch, though. That's the worry. Oh, no? No answer? No answer. He's pooping. All right, well, hopefully get him tomorrow.

We appreciate you all so much. Have an incredible day. We'll be back tomorrow with 28 teams going to training camp. Woo! What are we, four days away tomorrow from SummerSlam? That's right. Here we go. I'm feeling good, AJ.

I'm flying around. I don't know if you see it. Knee feels good. Leg feels good. I'm light. I stuck with keto through the wife's birthday weekend, which was not easy. That was not easy. Look at you, man.

Thank you. Summer Slam. Come on. You're going to have a big rock-style celebration the day after your match, at least to eat some food and do whatever? His French toast is actually for sale right now on Gold Belly. Ooh, okay. Those big, thick-ass ones?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're for sale on Gold Belly now. Let's go. I think it's like $70 or something. Might have to get one. Worth it. What's coming from Hawaii What's Gold Belly

Gold Belly is where You can get food From other places Like you can get Like bagels And food from Like specialty places Around the country

It's like It's like Permanis Yeah Permanis And Pittsburgh stuff You can get Like it comes on ice Whatever that fucking

Dry ice Dry ice is It's really good Like we got a ham Nice For Christmas I think, from some super place. Saudi Arabia or something? New York. AJ.

What? Is that where you were saying you got it from? What the hell is wrong with you? Ham from Saudi? That's the show, I guess. I hope you're proud. I hope you're proud. Real cool.

See you tomorrow, AJ. Why does that shut the show down? I know we gotta go. See you, everybody. That was last week. This is a new week. We're not getting into it again. You're right. New day. It's a new day. Yes, it is. Alright, we're back tomorrow. Big time

guests. Big time conversations. And I believe we'll do a giveaway tomorrow. Hope you all had a fantastic weekend. We'll see you in about 20 hours and 43 minutes. Cheers. You all are the best. Goodbye. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.