The Pat McAfee Show - PMS 2.0 705 - Ian Rapoport, Darius Butler, Kamaru Usman, Andrew Brandt, & AJ Hawk

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

On today's show, Pat, AJ Hawk, and the boys chat more about teams being in training camp, Russell Wilson showing up on the first day of camp in his own jersey, more about the Kyler Murray contract, Julio Jones signing with the Buccaneers and which other teams were involved. Joining the progrum LIVE from Philadelphia Eagles training camp is NFL Network Insider, Ian Rapoport to chat about Julio's contract, the different distinctions with people not being at camp, and everything else going on around the NFL (19:20-40:47). Next, 9 year NFL vet at Defensive Back, host of The Man-To-Man podcast, friend of the progrum, Darius Butler joins the show to chat about Russell Wilson showing up to camp in his jersey, the Kyler Murray contract situation, how much better the defensive is at the start of camp than the offense, and much more (1:02:07-1:27:58). Next, UFC Welterweight Champion, one of the greatest pound for pound fighters of all-time, Kamaru Usman joins the show to chat about his upcoming fight against Leon Edwards, his desire to move up to Light Heavyweight, his mentality, and who he's got his eyes on for a future opponent (1:28:00-1:45:15). Later, former VP of Player Finance for the Green Bay Packers, host of the Business of Sport podcast and the Sunday 7 newsletter, Andrew Brandt joins the show to break down Kyler Murray's contract more, if this will lead to more language in future contracts like this, his thoughts on Lamar Jackson's potential contract, and more (1:46:35-1:56:47). Make sure you subscribe to youtube.com/thepatmcafeeshow to watch the show, and listen on Sirius XM Channel 82, Mad Dog Radio. We appreciate the hell out of all you. See you tomorrow, cheers. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, beautiful people. It is Wednesday, July 27th, 2022, and today's show is packed to the gills. Let's start now. Let's ride. That's right. Let's ride into another day of sports talk, especially because all NFL teams are in training camps. All teams have checked into a facility that says, you know what? You don't leave here unless you get cut or we go and win a Super Bowl. Hell yeah. We've got about five, six more months straight ahead of us

that we can't wait to talk about and chit-chat about and watch on as the biggest fans on earth and the biggest league on earth. There's already some storylines coming out of training camp, and we will have to talk about those. There's some contract conversations happening. Obviously, yesterday, after we went off air, one of the biggest free agents remaining on the market signed with, guess who?

Who? Oh, it was the Tampa Buccaneers. Oh, yeah, that's right. Julio Jones signed with Tampa Buccaneers. That's right. Last week, Rudolph signed with the Tampa Buccaneers. I forgot about that. Tom Brady signed with Tampa Buccaneers.

Everybody seems to be signing with the Buccaneers. I forgot about that. Tom Brady signed with Tampa Buccaneers. Everybody seems to be signing with the Buccaneers, and they have somehow managed to stay under the salary cap while adding a $6 million deal with incentives up to $8 million for Julio Jones to become the fourth option? I guess. Fourth, maybe third option, fourth option for the Tampa Buccaneers and Tom Brady. Now, injuries will happen.

So whenever you're number three, you're going to bounce out to number two, probably even number one at some point because the way an NFL season is. But the teams that continue to win continue to load up in positions on the roster in which if you lose them, your team can get changed drastically. For instance, back in the day,

it was run, run, run, throw. So who'd you need? You need fucking running backs, and you need a big body offensive lineman. Then on defense side, what do you need? You need big fucking D linemen, and then you need a lot of big linebackers. And they would pack those position groups so that if somebody got hurt, they wouldn't fall directly off a cliff talent-wise. Now with the modern NFL, if we've seen any of the teams that had success

have a common trait, that is they are loaded in skill positions because at some point during the season, some guy that you would have never hoped to get injured will get injured. They'll miss a valuable time in games that you fucking need to win to go get a Super Bowl.

And these teams that have had success have been able to just go, oh, don't worry about it. We got another fucking other team's number one wide receiver that we can just slide in as number four that seems to be the common trend not everybody seems to be doing it but the teams that are winning are doing as such the tampa bay buccaneers get richer even though they lost rob gronkowski which everybody around him saying maybe not though he is saying no and i respect his decision because retiring is a big decision, let alone doing it twice.

But everybody around him seems to think he'll come back week 10, week 11. Tampa Bay Buccaneers are on a run. Get Gronkowski back there. But that team somehow finding a way to continue to load its roster, give Tom every single option to maybe go out a winner here. One last Super Bowl. I think he's been in the Super Bowl every other year for the last 14 years. Yeah, he's won the Super Bowl every other year since 2014.

He's been in the Super Bowl, I think, for like seven of those years. So a lot of these trends, right? J-Lo got married, which I guess J-Lo, every time she's gotten a ring, Tom has won. I guess there's all these trends that say Tom's going to be back in the Super Bowl. And the Buccaneers say, fuck, we're not going to be the reason that it doesn't happen. They're going all in. So maybe he rides off in that $375 million sunset of being a commentator and an ambassador for the game for Fox. The NFL season is in full swing.

Hell yeah. The talk table is here at Ty Schmidt at Boston Corner. One half of the hammer. Dad. Cowboys, Tim Diggs is here. Boys, it's just nice to have this football energy. Yeah. New stories coming out. New retirements

coming out. Injuries coming out. Storylines coming out. Starters, non-starters. Who's getting fucked? Who hates the team? Who's going to get traded? What list are they on? It's nice to wake up with some shit to talk about at Teichman. Yeah, absolutely. Until you realize that some of the things that we're going to be talking about is maybe your

franchise left tackle whose knee isn't looking that great. He put a caption out on instagram david bakhtiar he's putting a caption on instagram he'll be back soon he did say that but he also said he was good last year you know during as we were getting ready to go into the playoffs and anytime you got a guy that big and because we always talk about how acl injuries aren't what they used to be he's a big son of a bitch and if it isn't healing right or he doesn't trust it fully like that it's it's kind of worrisome it is does he have a hairline fracture in there as well or stress fracture in there as well bone bruise possible he had because he had surgery

again this offseason which makes sense why he would start on the pup list but i think there's got to be something else going on there last year it was there was like uh he he continually needed to get it drained so like the the swelling wasn't going down of something there had to be some sort of bruise in there i wonder what it was if this was just an acl i would like everybody to know what who the acl surgeon was yeah yeah you know i think his fellow peers in the nflpa would like to know and other sports would like to know how come his has been you know so long right and he is such an important position for the green bay packers such an important player not only for the morale and the group,

a hilarious, electrifying guy, but also his talent is huge. But that is what training camp's all about. Who will be back? Who will not be back? It appears, if all signs are pointing to good news up in New England, but the AFC East is going to be fucking a problem. Oh, yeah. I seen down in Miami, Dolphins coach this morning, Mike McDaniel,

some local reporter was taking a picture saying, hey, McDaniel's doing a lot of speaking to Waddle because everybody's talking about Tyreek Hill, and it needed to be said, Waddle's a game changer as well. Buffalo Bills are fucking hot, and Jets have a dog at quarterbacks. That's right. And I saw Robert Sala walking in training camp. He looks yoked up, ready to go.

Are you nervous at all in New England? And is the AFC East up for grabs, you think? Or is Buffalo Bills, Miami Dolphins? Well. Front runner's way ahead. Definitely the Buffalo Bills. I think they're the clear favorite. I mean, not only in the division, but obviously in the league right now.

But no, I'm not worried about it whatsoever. Mike McDaniel, unbelievable. I think, you know, the Dolphins. I love him, by the way. Yeah, he's great. Oh, I blacked out just then in a press conference. Yeah, he's hilarious. Which is amazing, and he's acting like a human

but this is just like MCDC. Right. You know, when you win, if it doesn't, what's going to happen? I think he'll be able to handle it because he is an incredibly intelligent human being.

Yeah. If you pick through the way he delivers his words and listen to the words, that motherfucker's got a big brain on him. He's got a lot of success, a good resume.

Maybe the Dolphins get on a run this year. Maybe it's in the future but I think the AFC East is very, very different than it has been for like 20 years. So congrats to all teams over there getting excited about it, even though the Buffalo Bills are the favorite. The AFC North, here we go.

Now we're cooking. In Pittsburgh, obviously, Stillers are the lifeline of the time. They are the heartbeat of an area, of a region. I am an NFL fan, always have been an NFL fan, strictly because where I grew up, literally the mood of everybody was dependent upon what happened on Sunday. Right, yeah.

So with that being said, you have interesting relationships with people. Chris Fulmato-Malfalo came in with some big-time first downs, kind of secured a game, and fucking all of a sudden the entire city's happy, old Tim McAfee's happy, Sally McAfee's happy. It's like, okay, I like fucking Fulmato-Malfalo came in with some big-time first downs, kind of secured a game, and fucking all of a sudden the entire city's happy. Old Tim McAfee's happy. Sally McAfee's happy. It's like, okay, I like fucking fooling Mato Malfalo. This guy is bringing happiness to everybody.

Cordell Stewart, Slash had some up days, some down days. People wanted to kill him. The entire town hated him. Then there were some great times that were alongside him, let alone Bussey and Hines and the whole crew. Antoine Randall now coaching up in the NFC North. It's like Pittsburgh is one of those cities that live by the football team. There's polkas.

There's rap songs. There's rock songs. There's everything. And the line to get into St. Vincent up there to watch training camp is already like two miles long of cars parked ready for it. That football feeling is something I think is in our blood because we grew up in it. But I don't think we're the only ones. It feels like Cincinnati is a little bit more energized than they've ever been.

Baltimore is more energized than they've ever been. Cleveland has no idea who's going to be their fucking quarterback. But all signs are pointing to Dogtown being fucking pumped. The AFC North, it's hot in the kitchen all of a sudden, Diggs. And you guys don't have a fucking quarterback. All those cities are blue-collar cities. So you go to work, you do your job, and then, yeah, your happiness is based on how the football team is.

And, yeah, we do not necessarily have a starting quarterback, even though I believe it will be Mitch. But, you know, the unknown could be scary. Hey, by the way, Kenny was third. I don't know if you saw that. I saw a couple drills. I saw Mitchell Trubisky. Sure.

Okay. Mason Rudolph. He's looked good so far. Yes. Mason. What's that? No moxie can't be with that guy. Well, that's what Tony's told you to say.

Cut him. That's what Nick is also saying. I don't know. And this is good. Looks good. Huh? I didn't tell Zeke to say that. Zeke's got sources in that.

Really? Oh, yeah. And then Kenny Pickett. And then to say that. Zeke's got sources in that. Really? Oh, yeah. And then Kenny Pickett. And then drafted from South Dakota State, I believe. That's on me. Anyways, they were lined up four wide. Trubisky looked very comfortable and confident. They had the little condoms on their head.

We'll talk about that in a little bit. Because Tomlin said, it is my job to protect you. And it is what it is. He's on Instagram now, by the way. Everybody should follow him. If he puts any captions out there anywhere near how he actually speaks it'll be electrifying and must follow i think he's only doing that to track his players yeah just like he said he did for twitter as well

i'm only on here to make sure there's no fuckery with the boys yeah and i think he did that with i believe he followed uh 96 people they were all players and one of them was a tomlin so i assume he's checking in there too um i just want to let you know i am i've made an account now to stop i see you i i know i used to just kind of watch without you even knowing i was just kind of a spectator maybe a fake name i want to let you know when you open up your ig story and you scroll up and you see who's in there you're fucking dead yeah i'm right there okay so remember that every single post i wish you would have got on tiktok i bet you a lot of pittsburgh people wish that as well before juju

did his whole thing but i like coach tom and i love what he's doing all eyes are on that quarterback situation yeah and you could be scared by the unknown or you could be excited by the unknown tomlin quote right there yeah i'm very excited to see like for a long time 18 years or whatever i you knew who the quarterback was you knew how how he was going to play. It's very exciting. Defense is going to be good. High-spade defense in the NFL. They've led the league in the sacks the last three seasons. Obviously, the O-line's gotten better, thank God.

We'll see what the O.C. and the quarterbacks do. The standard's the standard. You get a one at McDonald's in Pittsburgh and a one at McDonald's in the other side of the earth, it's always going to have the same quality. Mike Tomlin said that's what the Steelers are and that's what the quarterback position is going to have to do even though it's the first time in 18 years we don't know who the fuck's going to be quarterback.

I said it to the boys the other day. You know what? Nothing against them. Love you, Seven. He's going to be playing for the Browns anyway. That'll be crazy. It will be nice to have a quarterback that could move slightly.

Ben Roethlisberger was known for moving the hockey dance all over the field. Navigating the play. Remember that drill from training camp where the Badgers are just hitting them and he's supposed to avoid a throw the ball.

That's Ben Roethlisberger. For a long time it was. Two or three years. Pittsburgh Steelers want a quarterback that dances around contact. Runs away from adversity. Pittsburgh lost its head.

That's all I said. I'm excited to watch Mitchell Trubisky which appears to be in a very healthy situation as opposed to what it was at the end of his Chicago Bear run. After the double doink, it really got ugly up there. And inside sources have told us things that we will not repeat loud into the microphone, but inside sources have told us Mitchell Trubisky and Nagy's relationship was not great.

It was terrible. I guess much worse than I had heard, but I also keep my blinders on. Don't give a fuck about the Bears as much because the team hasn't really been good in a long time. He's a scumbag. Well, that's what Zito says. That's not my inside source, by the way. But it did appear as if those two had grown very much apart. I guess there was moments where they couldn't, like,

maybe one party was wanting to speak to the other party, and it was just like, yeah, no. No thanks. Middle of the season, starting quarterback, head coach. That's not good. No. That's not good. So you could see how hindsight looking back,

how that could have been terrible for Chicago. He goes up to Buffalo. Love that. I don't know if it was a master's class or not. I think he was beloved by the locker room and the team. Who knows what he learned and what he didn't learn. I'm assuming Mitchell Trubisky is very excited to be in a position he is in his career where he's not projected Super Bowl MVP or MVP of the league at all.

Hey, you're here. We drafted a guy. You know what the deal is. You just have to play sound football, kind of be a good leader to this guy, and we'll probably pay you for the next five, ten years if you and Kenny Pickett can have a great relationship. I don't know if that's what Mitchell Trubisky ultimately wants in his life, but if he's content with that, what a perfect thing for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Let's continue to bounce around the AFC a little bit the AFC South big deal Indianapolis Colts were in a conversation for Julio Jones how do we know that because although Julio Jones signed yesterday with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for a six million dollar deal up to eight in incentives how the are the bucks able to pay everybody all the time makes no sense at all because they got a guy Mike Greenberger's their salary guru. He is a fucking weapon. He's playing a shell game with the rules and with the bonuses, and he's not breaking

any of the rules. Everybody could do what the Buccaneers are doing. Everybody could do what the Rams are doing. Everybody could do what any of these teams that seem to have a wealthy owner with a cash over cap with hiding salary and different signing bonuses could do that. The Buccaneers continue to do that.

Julio this morning chatted with local media. And Julio Jones talked about the entire scenario and how he ended up with the Buccaneers. It was a great conversation. And there's going to be some heartbreak from some teams' fan bases. This is not a prediction. It is also a spoiler. Colts fans aren't going to be happy to hear this. Go ahead and run this thing, Emmitt McMahon.

Just talk to us. Tell us how you made the decision to come here. I got to keep a little bit of confidential. I understand. Okay, cool. Now, for me, I'm at a point in my career right now it was never a money play, things like that.

And I don't know if they wanted to pay me for my value and different things like that. Other teams wanted to pay me more money and different things like that. But it's like, I'm not here for that. It's more so about the opportunity, playoffs, postseason, winning a championship, things like that. So Aaron Rodgers did come up in the conversation. Tom Brady came up in the conversation, right? So I had, you know, the Colts, the Saints, so on and so on. I had, you know, numerous people trying to communicate with me, things like that.

But I told Jimmy Sexton, my agent, like, hey, listen, I want to have the best opportunity to, you know, potentially get a ring somewhere. Obviously, I know, you know, you got to work every day, each and every day. You just don't show up on the arena, right? So for me, it was just like, time hit me. I was like, okay, cool, okay, we got something here.

We got something here. So, you know, we're just going back and forth, just communicating, you know, just checking in things like that just building that relationship with me um and then like what you thinking what you thinking i got space down there you know but it's just, like I said, I'm not here to step on anyone's toes, things like that. I'm just here to come and just play, fit in wherever I can fit in it,

do whatever the team needs me to do. Okay. So there's clearly what we have to put some dead space at the end of these videos. So it doesn't go immediately to the next one. I think we'll put a note down on that on Siri maybe. We should remind ourselves for afterwards. But how about Julio Jones basically opening up about the entire thing?

Other teams offered him more money. Who was that? Maybe it was the Colts. Maybe it was the Packers. Maybe it was the Saints. Maybe it was a number of teams that offered him more money. And also maybe he's just making that up. Maybe no team offered him more money, and they're using that as a leverage uh with the tampa bay buccaneers and

you have to continue that negotiation play into your interviews after you sign the deal because you don't want the team that you just signed with to immediately think oh this guy tried to pull one fucking up jimmy sex and i think he reps every single college football coach i believe he is um kind of the one behind the whole college football coaching trees and who does what powerful agent so him and julio jones having a great relationship is good news for julio him ending up with the buccaneers and saying like uh you guys got enough room for me down there hilariously self-aware question and he said i'm not here to step on anybody's toes i'm just doing my thing and it sounds like he's a worker when last year we already didn't want to go to practice

but everything i heard from that interview he did on wDAE, I believe, down in Tampa Bay, we appreciate them, local media. He's basically talked about what he expects from himself, a leadership role, working hard, accountable for himself. There's no lingering issues, I guess, with any health things. Oh, so we're going to get another Julio Jones rebirth that we thought we were going to get last year in Tennessee. But instead this time it's with Tom fucking Brady. And we said it multiple times while Brady's been in Tampa Bay, like, hey, this might be the best offense Brady has ever had. This might be the best offense Brady's

ever had. This also might be the best offense Brady has ever had. Is Scoot Scoot still on that team? I believe so. I am worried about that depth chart for Scoot. Yeah. Oh, see, I was actually thinking this is good for Scoot. You think Evans, Godwin,

Julio, Brait, and then you just sneak a little 4-3 in there. It feels like there's going to be a lot of room. Gage is who they paid three years, $35 million or something. Oh, he is Scoot. He is the slot guy there. Then there's Tyler Johnson, C.O. Grayson,

who got playing time a little bit over him last year. Oh, yeah, I remember Grayson. And then it's Scoot. Cyril, C-Y-R-I-L. Yes. I remember LSU Sprinter in New Orleans, go round. Yeah, I remember that. Score.

Also scored against the Jets. I worry about Scoot. Well, hopefully fucking Scoot can get cut from Tampa and come race Indianapolis. No kidding. Fucking Scoot. Tell him you don't want race Indianapolis. No kidding. Fucking Scoot. Tell him you don't want to play there. Scoot.

Take a stand, Scotty Miller. Take a stand. They disrespected you when they saw Julio Jones. They disrespected you, Scotty Miller. Fucking tell him you want out. Colt's going to re-sign T.Y. or what the hell is going on? Does it make you guys feel better that it seems like you guys were talking to Julio at least? It is awesome.

Now, we will have Andrew Brant on the show today in the third hour, former front office executive for the Green Bay Packers, an agent and everything, basically. He's been in the NFL in all angles and was the one that broke down the cash of a cap to us that allowed us to continue to grandstand on the fact that the Southern Cap's not fucking real, just like we had thought. He put a lot more smart words into our mouth to describe why we feel the way we feel but he did break that all down he put out a tweet earlier said there'd be numerous times where agents would reach out to us and say hey can we use can we say that we're negotiating with you to use you as leverage and he said sure if you want

somebody else to overpay fucking go do what you gotta do so who knows what's real what isn't real andrew brant joins us in the third hour kamara uzman joins us in the third hour as well he's fighting in August He's gonna give us a great conversation Last time we chatted with him, the power went out It was fucking awesome though He was a great, great convo D-Butt will join us in the second hour

Can't wait to talk with him about all things happening around the NFL And how he's doing And joining us right now A man who hopefully has inside information on shit that we don't know Normally it's us giving him info But that's only in the offseason when he just golfs all the time And joining us right now, a man who hopefully has inside information on shit that we don't know. Normally, it's us giving him info. But that's only in the offseason when he just golfs all the time. I believe now he's in the middle of his training camp tour.

Live from the Philadelphia Eagles training camp. Senior NFL insider for the NFL and the NFL Network. Host of the weekly wrap-up of Rap Sheet and Friends. Us being friends, he being a rap sheet. Ladies and gentlemen, Ian Rapoport. What's up? What's going on, guys? Hey, how how are you bub uh i'm great so let me just set the scene here i'm in a uh i'm in a tent at the eagles facility there's grass cutting going on behind me you can see that oh smell the grass yeah um just talking to howie roseman the the GM. Getting some good FaceTime.

And now I'm happy to talk to you guys. Well, we appreciate you joining us. Thanks for having us. Hey, Sirianni's looking for dogs, right? Do they just put out a bunch of kibbles and bits out there and see who's got it? Have you heard any speeches from Sirianni? He's still got his A game that we expect? Sirianni, I talked to him earlier.

He's wearing a Jalen Hur hurts t-shirt today nice um not that he needs to show support that's a quick manager fucking get after that i was a little impressive i there's another one i mean what are they doing are they going off over here no they're moving bags he and i gotta work unlike you pal you're just networking those dudes are the backbone of that fucking operation. Mitt, that was Mitt for like 10 years of his summer and his life over there. That actually explains a lot. No, so Sirianni was wearing a Jalen Hurts shirt.

And I don't know if it has to do with the weird report about him struggling at OTAs. Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't. But there it is. But Hurts is having a really good offseason, had a really good OTAs. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But there it is. But Hurts is having a really good offseason, had a really good OTAs and minicamp. Sirianni was very vocal about that. And so no dog mask or dog food, but definitely all in on Jalen Hurts.

Kind of a teal shirt there, like former coach of the Eagles who led them to a Super Bowl, Jacksonville Jaguars teal. I don't know if the exposure on that camera is a little different but that what's that all about? What is Sirianni doing? I'm excited to see what the Eagles become. Kelsey's back for another year. We saw him drink a beer and announce that. I love what they have

done. They've gone all in. It seems like this is a make or break year for Hertz. It's starting with him on shirts. It would end with him on unemployment list. That's good hosting. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was going to say, Hurts is so fascinating to me

because I was here last year right around this time, and it was all like, you know, oh, is he going to be a franchise starter? Is he going to even be a starter at all? And now he's the starter of a playoff team, and they spent, you know, some part of the offseason kind of looking into dabbling with some of the potential tradable guys like Russell Wilson, like Deshaun Watson. And in the end, like, we're just going to stick with our guy.

And that is like a really fascinating decision. I think I'm just now hearing that they were actually interested in Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson and any other quarterbacks that are available. Does, is that known over there that they were actually interested in Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson and any other quarterbacks that are available. Is that known over there that they were actually interested in that? And at what point did they decide, all right, we're going to stick with Jalen? Was it because they couldn't afford Russ and Deshaun or were they scoring things against like what we would have to give up versus having Jalen in another year? And do you view this as a make or break year for Jalen because of that situation? Yeah, I think it is some of the value. Like if you're going to trade all your picks and pay a quarterback, it better be worth it.

You have to know for sure. And I think for Russ, you know, he wanted to be close to the West Coast, wanted to be out there, obviously, in Denver. So would he have come to Philly? Like he didn't come to Washington. I know Washington was involved as well. So I think it was more like it didn't, it sort of didn't fit. You know, make or break here, I would say in Philly, it's always kind of a make or break here.

And remember, they have multiple first-round draft picks next year. So if he's not the guy, they are okay. But they hope he is because then they can just do what they did this offseason and build around him. Sirianni's going to be playing rock, paper, scissors with so many quarterbacks in next year's class or none or none if jalen hurts jalen's a dog like i think he is if he's a dog you think he's uh he's the guy going forward and are you going to bundle those picks and move back or move up to get some other weapon that you need or are those multiple draft picks potentially what you're going to use to replace jalen hurts if he's not a dog?

Probably, you know, hopefully Kelsey comes back in place for six, seven more years. But if he's done after this year, maybe we couple those picks up and take a center and number one overall. Okay. All right. See, that's potentially. We don't know what's going to happen.

That's why the NFL is awesome. What, you're surprised, Ian? You haven't heard that over there at all? No, I've heard. I mean, I've heard rumors. Just, you know, I was working was working on i haven't heard it definitively i saw kelsey was actually live with um lefkoe when they drafted a center and kelsey actually said like yeah i did study on this guy i think he's supposed to pass the torch i think

this is like a uh pass the torch scene with old kelsey and eagles let's move on to other conversations ian shall we uh you reported tra reported Travis Kelsey's getting more money this year than later because it's what he is owed or something like that. I'm sure that's why. I'm sure that's why. Why are they doing this? Did they need to make space? They had extra space. They figured they could steal from tomorrow to pay today. Or is this actually because Travis Kelsey's fucking awesome? Yeah. So Travis Kelsey is awesome. I would say that is confirmed. And I kind of thought when I first heard about this deal, maybe happening yesterday, I was like, okay, they're just creating cap space. They're actually diminishing their cap space. It actually hurts their cap. They are rewarding a guy who is awesome. So they're taking $3 million from sort of like the future,

putting it into this year, diminishing what's left in the future. But, you know, if he goes out and plays well this year, which I'm sure he's going to, he is an awesome football player, then they might end up redoing the deal and giving him a new one. When he signed this deal, it was sort of like a little undervalued. He wanted it. It was important to him, but it was a little undervalued. This is more right. So they really just gave him a $3 million raise and that's it.

Well, congrats to Travis and Chase doing that. Doesn't feel like that's what happened at all, but I am happy that it appears to be that way. Yeah, it's a real thing. Very nice. The NFL just giving more money out of nowhere.

That doesn't, you know, you and I know. We've been here. That's like you. You were great on TV. You do fantastic. Same boss as all these other guys. Are they just going to come up to you and say, you know what? That money that we potentially owed you next year that we're kind of running out of room with,

how about we just give that to you this year? What do you say? Because you've earned it. Is that what happened here, you think, or no? You genuinely think this was because they wanted to keep Travis Kelsey happy? I think they wanted to keep Travis Kelsey happy. And, like, in all seriousness, when the deal happened last year, it was very – I'm not sure – or two years ago.

I'm not sure of the timing, but it was right around when Kittle did his massive deal, and it looked bad like pretty quickly so i think everyone knew like all right this was not quite right like this guy deserves more money all right shout out to veach and to reed for taking care of travis kelsey who'll go down as what top three tight end of all time and basically every single conversation whenever it's all said and done especially if he starts picking up super bowl championships what it's him kiddo and drunk and if he starts picking up Super Bowl championships. What, it's him, Kittle, and Gronk, and that's just so selfish of me to say because I'm good friends with Dallas Clark, who's a fucking animal.

Gonzalez was unbelievable. Antonio Gates was unbelievable. I think it's going to be difficult to judge. You're going to have to go eras. I think you're going to have to go eras. You're right. Don't you think? Yeah, and I don't love that anyway because like the offensive stats

are so skewed the last like not skewed but they're like everything's exploded the last three or four years but like yes i mean all those guys are awesome like if i had to pick one to be on my team like i don't know i'd pick all of them yeah tight ends by the way they know it that's why they're doing that tight end university tight end. It seems like they're all on the same page. Like, Hey, uh, we're worth a fucking lot more than what they are paying us right now with

how the NFL is going. I'm excited for that. Uh, we're talking to Ian Rapport live currently at the Philadelphia Eagles training camp. I know the boys have a couple of questions and we appreciate you joining us. We know you're very busy.

Uh, I would like, and this is the reason why I brought you on. So there's all these lists that are popping up right now. Guys end up on PUP. They end up on the NFI list. They injured reserve designated return. They could end up on an exemption list. I mean, there's all these lists that we're hearing about now. And I think there's no better human than to explain what each one is than you. And there's also reasoning on why some guys,

like for instance, Roquan Smith, not injured in Chicago, put on the PUP. I think that's so that they can't fine him for missing practice because he's not going to be in the building because he's doing a holdout. There's always alternative reasons for all of these different lists as well. And Ian, if you could break it down for all of us, we'd be very thankful because these lists are about to make a lot of headlines over the next two, three weeks. Ian, start at the top

if you'd like, and then I will pop in with any questions as well. The Stooges to my right here. All right. So the NFI list, it could be two things. It's non-football illness or non-football injury. And if you are put on, let's say, NFI to start training camp, then basically all it means is you got an injury not playing football for your team. So let's say you tore your ACL in college and you're not 100% healthy now. You're on the non-football injury list and you can come off it at any time. Hayden, ride a bike, right? Minka. I'm sorry, Minka rode a bike, hurt his hand.

Correct. That's a good example. Still get paid, not get paid, still a part of the team in the salary cap? If you are in it in training camp and you're still part of the active roster, you do get paid. For this list, the non-football injury list, if you start the season on it, like let's say the first four games

now, the first six games, whatever it is, then the team has the option of paying you or not. Like if you're snowboarding and you break your wrist, the team you know what, you're going to miss the first month. We're not going to pay you because you're an idiot.

And that happens, especially if you're not allowed in your contract. So the team has the option. Go ahead. Just the snowboard injury thing. Yeah, you know. You know. Go ahead, please. All right, so that's the NFL.

By the way, the team paid him more than anybody. Who? In the history of the NFL paid him more than anybody Who? In the history of the NFL Who? What team? Alright, go ahead Ian, sorry You just happened to say snowboarding, huh? Just happened to that one, just popped in your mind Go ahead Ian, please

What? I mean Oh, did I miss an Andrew Luck joke in there? Let's move on You're talking about Andrew Luck in the Colts? Jeez, stop Please Hey Pat talking about Andrew Luck in the cold. Jeez. Stop. Please. Here's.

Hey, Pat. Hey, Pat, did you listen to the, uh, Zach keepers, uh, Andrew Luck podcast?

Obviously. Uh, I, I know Zach Kiefer. I have massive respect for Zach Kiefer. Love Zach Kiefer. I have not, I have not found time to listen to that just yet,

but I am pumped for it. That's very nice. You might find some of it old, but I feel like it's extremely interesting. So you should listen to it. They did a really nice job. What is it? It's a full series, right?

Like a couple hours. Yeah, it's six hours. It's like watching a documentary. And it painstakingly goes through all the luck stuff. And it would be like painful for you because like it is heartbreaking like heartbreaking but very very interesting okay well congrats to zachie for a great piece and also anyway thank you to andrew luck for all your sacrifices thank you snowboard thing i learned about it through an uber driver yeah i'm like excuse me it's tough

i'm in the building so then i start beating down doors hey what the fuck did i just hear from this uh uber driver what's that is there some snowboard thing that happened oh i don't know but you should ask you oh whoa whoa whoa a lot of that you know but andrew luck was still able to come out and fucking play better than anybody but yeah there was a lot of stuff that came out. There's a guy that should have played for 20 years if he wanted. He has a lot of other options. Big brain.

One of the nicest dudes of all time. And maybe the prototype. I mean, you know, Josh Allen's kind of the prototype now. He was fucking 6'4", very thick, very yoked, smarter than every human he talked to on a daily basis, and could throw the ball a country mile and was super competitive. That will always be a mystery. So shout out to Zach Kiefer for doing that,

keeping the Andrew Luck name alive because he does deserve it. But, God damn, a snowboarding reference out of nowhere was not needed by you. Let's move on. We're all happy. So the NFI, non-football injury, non-football illness, that's off the field. The team can choose to pay you or not choose to pay you. They put you on there.

How long are you on there for? Daniel. This guy. I mean, the most. This, like, grass-cutting guy just keeps driving by. All right. Guy, move on. I have to get my grass to be cut.

I'm not saying that. All right, so then PUP is basically the same thing, but it's injury that happened while playing football for you. So there's PUP now, which doesn't mean a ton. It just means you can't practice, can't pass a physical. And then, but you can be activated at any time. If you are on PUP after first after first cuts means you have to miss the first four games this season used to be six now it's four same with ir um but this is one they

do pay you but this is a big deal because you don't count against the roster but it does mean you cannot play for a month so pup now doesn't mean a ton pp when the season starts means a lot okay so like the roquan Smith situation, that's just in the middle of negotiation. They're utilizing the PUP to kind of hide that situation? I mean, I assume that he's like, my hamstring hurts, my back hurts, whatever. So, you know, that's, I think it's,

they could decide not to fine him, but I think they're basically just, you stay over there. When we get your contract done, then you get active. I don't, I get the sense that's more of like just a kind of in name type of thing. Yeah. That's a smart way to do a holdout, by the way, going forward. Teams now could do this if a player doesn't want. That's the trend.

Yeah. It's going to be, it seems like the smart move. Have people done this before? Did this happen last year for a holdout, a PUP holdout? I feel like it did happen in the trend. Yeah, it's going to be. It seems like the smart move. Have people done this before? Did this happen last year for a holdout, a PUP holdout? I feel like it did happen in the past. I cannot remember one, but I know we talked about it. So I feel like it's not new, but it is pretty smart. Now, the other PUP thing, the Jimmy Garoppolo thing.

Jimmy Garoppolo did not go on PUP, which doesn't mean he's healthy. But it does mean if the 49ers cut him, they do not owe him $7.5 million in injury guarantees. So it's basically their way of saying he's pretty good, maybe not fully cleared, but he's pretty good, and he's not

practicing anyway, so it doesn't matter really what list he's on. You think Jimmy's pissed about this or no? There was a lot of conversations between the 49ers and Jimmy Garoppolo's representatives before his physical. They have been very transparent, so I believe they explained their decisions to Garoppolo's agents beforehand, and I think everyone is okay with it. Now, for Jimmy G you know if he

gets traded that would be the best for him because he would get his full salary there is a possibility he gets cut if they can't find a trading partner so either way I think Garoppolo it's going to work out okay for Garoppolo either he'll get paid or he'll get to pick a spot does this mean that because he wasn't because he wasn't put on PUP the decision decision is imminent? See, I don't get that sense. I know they've said hopefully sooner rather than later, but I don't get that sense because if you're trading for him, you have to know he is 1,000% good, and he's not going to be fully, fully, fully ready until mid-August.

IR means injured, can't perform? IR means if you put someone on IR right now, season's over that's it if you put them on ir after first cuts it means you can come back after four games so that's ir now season over if it's after the first cuts that means you can return but you have to miss four games and then if somebody if they opt not if somebody gets hurt and they opt not to put them on ir because then they own the full salary there's an injury settlement that gets negotiated by who? The player? You go on IR first, and then you negotiate a settlement

based on the amount of games when you would theoretically be cleared. Okay, reserve left camp and reserve retired. What do those two mean? So reserve left camp is when a guy is basically like, peace, I'm out of here I just don't feel like doing this And they don't owe you anything Reserve retired is like

We retain your rights If you come back We're going to trade you But we retain your rights You are just retired That's what the Patriots did With Bronk That's why they're

able to trade him to the Bucs and get draft pick compensation for them okay I appreciate you breaking all these down last question from me

it just came in Debo Samuel is a hold in he's there but what's up dude that is Mike Garofalo we see him on

Good Morning Football all the time we see him on Good Morning Football I got a him on Good Morning Football. I got a pinky ring on here for you, Paisan. Hope you enjoy it. I've always wanted to be on the Pat McAfee show. That's not the way you sound like when you talk about our show and Aaron and shit on NFL, though.

What did I say? Oh, yeah, you got a little tone in which you speak about Aaron and the way he talks to us. Don't you think, little Paisan? I don't remember this at all. This doesn't sound like anything I said. No, yeah, I don't remember either, to be honest. We actually enjoy you a lot. You should come on our show whenever, brother.

Hey, we did it. There we go. Hey, how's your family? It's like going up to the dinner party you weren't invited to. No, hey, everybody's invited. Listen, we got 100 people on the microphone. Everybody's invited whenever. Yeah, this is Dwight Schrute going up to the dinner party in the office with his babysitter.

All right. Listen, by the way, I love that you're quizzing him on the things he's supposed to know anyway that he was asking me about before he came on to make sure he knew what the hell he was talking about. I love that. I love that Garofalo's the actual research partner here for you, Ian. I love that Garofalo, the Paizan's making you a Ian. I love that Garofalo, the Paizan, is making you a lot better at what you do. Appreciate you, Mike. Appreciate you.

It wasn't – now, let him – I do think he did have some tone about it. I think I've seen one thing he did, and I was like, okay, hate that guy forever. I might be wrong, though. That might be missed because he is a good guy, right? Garofalo's a good dude. Great guy. Everybody loves Garofalo's a good dude? Great guy. Everybody loves Garofalo. Yeah, you just went to him for information. It wasn't a quiz for you,

by the way. It's for the listeners. Tell Garofalo we do the show for the people that are watching and listening, Garofalo. This ain't a quiz of Rappaport. This is like a, hey, information for people. You know who he is. I serve the people, too. That is my, I'm here for the people. All right, well, serve the people of the San Francisco 49ers faithful and let them know if they're in a good spot or a bad spot.

Via Lombardi himself, Debo Samuel not practiced today. He will condition on the side. Technically a hold-in, but he had a great talk with Shanahan per the 49ers coach. Negotiations between San Francisco and Samuel's agent, Torrey Dondi, are ongoing. And is everything Dondi with Torrey Dondi and the Niners and Debo? And is this,

are they waiting for the Jimmy G 20 million to get off the books to handle the Debo Samuel contract? I know those allegedly have not been one in the same, but that feels like pretty coincidental. Doesn't it? I mean, you tell me. I do not believe that Jimmy Garoppolo needs to be off the roster to do a devo samuel

deal i think they could get it done otherwise there's if they need to create space which maybe a little i think they could get it done i think for garoppolo they'd like to get um i think if they uh what just came out for garoppolo For Garoppolo, they'd like to get a trade. They'd like to wait as long as possible. Oh, okay. But for Samuel, I think this is smart. You do not want him to get hurt before he does his new contract. I'm not saying he's going to, but you certainly don't want to put him at risk. There's nothing wrong where they hold in.

I think that's totally fine, and that's what he's doing. Okay, so the Bears and Roquan smith put him on pup so they didn't they didn't have to fine him whatever 100 grand a day for not being a training camp with the new cba for the holdout the niners don't do the pup they have he's doing a hold in so you got to think that their relationship much better than roquan and the bears no no no i think i mean look there's always tension there's always tension when you have a contract. And I got to run in one second. There's always tension when you have contract negotiations.

I don't think anyone is in a bad spot. I mean, I think when both these guys get paid and both of them deserve to get paid, I think it'll be fine. It's really more just a technicality, I would say, as opposed to anything else. All right. Appreciate you, Ian. Have a good day. We'll see you on NFL Network, pal. Let's ride! Wednesday, July 27th has obviously started in beautiful fashion.

We do not have AJ Hawk yet. We have not been able to connect so although the internet has come back, maybe his tech has not. So we will have him join us immediately upon him calling us into the show. Can't wait to see his big home plate face representative of Ohio back on that screen after he got kicked off the show yesterday

about an hour and a half early. I'm not so sure he had a vacation to get to at this point with this guy. At Boston Connor, one member of the Toxic Table, right next to Ty Schmidt. Yeah, training camp has started. Vacations are over. Yeah, I hope. The Hawk family is a football family.

Every football family knows when vacations are, when you start dieting, when you start getting back into shape, when you start working out a little bit. We are in a full routine. It's training camp right now. We should be in the best shapes we've been in in some time. And there's no more time for vacations. AJ knows that. That's why he snuck four in last week.

Yeah, well, I'm not so sure yesterday he didn't sneak in a pool day because he was like, you know what, I should maybe live a little. I just went to Tahoe, played my best round. I just went to South Carolina. I had to clean poops out of the boat toilet or whatever the hell he called it. Maybe he was doing that. Maybe his tech is fine. Well, maybe his tech is fine.

Maybe it's not. Can't wait to hear from him. Maybe. I need sun, though. I had a good tan about a week ago. Yeah. And there's been no sun in Indiana. Yeah, for about two weeks.

It's cloudy. So, Bob, am I going to have to get one of those Easy Bakes? Could. One of those Easy Bake ovens. Could. I used to do tanning beds back in high school and stuff, pretty regular basis. Yeah? Shave the body, tan.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was insufferable. Like, if you didn't know me, you hated me. Just immediately. Now like if you didn't know me you hated me they just immediately now if you knew me probably hated me as well seemed like once i met people they were much more uh fond of me but if you had never met me or uh been around me just one good look at me in high school probably a good chance of oh i fucking hate that guy and it happened it happened on a regular basis those are good old days though i had a good good tan going oh man i used to glisten out of those tanning beds oh they used to make you wear

those stupid eye things i never wore them i never wore them i was an outlaw early in that whole day we don't need you getting any more tanning beds okay last thing we need is you come in here on a wednesday morning and say guys i have eight melanoma all over my body. Do you remember, I bought a tanning bed, I was going to get back into it. I bought a tanning bed from one of these local, I think it's called Family Leisure

is the name of the place. They just have like as seen on internet. What? That's sweet. That is their store basically. Just random shit in there that is very expensive.

Pretty cool though. Oh, you want a pinball machine? Bam, got it. Oh, you want a pinball machine? There, got it. Shuffle board table? Yeah, you want a pool? All right, there's an in-ground pool and an above-ground.

Like, they just have the internet, for a second, right there in front of you. And I was just walking through there one time, probably not high at all, because it was in Indiana. Of course. Couldn't have been. Couldn't have been, yeah.

It's illegal. So I'm just walking through there, and I just started picking things out. Like, okay, well, I definitely need a golden tee. Yeah, why not? I'll take that. Of course. Definitely need that recliner set right there.

It looks good. Thank you. Oh, you got a red couch. I'll take that red couch. And then that tanning bed right back here. Has anybody ever used it? They're like, no, and we don't have any in the back. So do you mind having a floor model or whatever? I'm like,

even better, because it's cheaper. So I've got a good little bundle deal over there. Take that thing home, lay in it, just cooked straight the bulbs. Actually striped me like a fucking zebra. I look like I worked at Champs walking out of that fucking

thing, or Foot Locker, whatever it is. I literally got out of there. I was like, oh, that's awesome. Have a tanning bed at the house. I'm going to be fucking tan all the time. Stood up. My ass had two streaks right down the middle of it. That's the worst.

Because of how white my ass was. Yeah. A year and a half. What? A year and a half had like tan because of how white my ass cheeks are. Yeah, so, but now I'm prepared for it, I think. Yeah. Now I got a little base tan.

Then I was hopping in there literally as Casper. Now I'm trying to keep this tan, so it's a different world. Yeah, maybe you just have to go back to the spray tan, because, I mean, last time you did that, too, you got that rash all over your body, too. Fungus on my whole body. My skin's such fucking weak. Oh, no, no.

Weak, soft ass. You know what I mean? Just the Irish in you. Just soft ass. No. Join us now as a man who's not a soft ass. Well. This dude's a hard chin.

Hard head. What? So much so he led the Green Bay Packers with tackles and he's zero documented concussions. That's right. He played in the lead with your head, hit with your head era in the NFC North, cold, miserable, big bodies,

not one documented concussion, while getting the most tackles in the history of one of the most storied franchises in the NFL. Pretty good. Still has his brain. Still can put sentences together. He's incredibly toxic. He's a college football national champion. He's a Super Bowl champion, Ryder Cup champion.

Ladies and gentlemen, a man who plugged back in the internet for Ohio last night, A.J. Hall. A.J.! A.J., you look better than ever. Yeah, I tell you what, man. Yesterday I had about six to eight hours of nothing. No internet, whatever's going on, man. But guess what?

We got it fixed. I told you last night. Yeah, were you Amish for a little bit? Did you get to experience it? Did you go plow the land a little bit? Till the land? Make some, maybe some cabinetry? No, it wasn't.

We had power. We just didn't have internet or TV. So that was the problem. Oh, so you still. We had power. We just didn't have internet or TV, so that was the problem. Oh, so you still had... I'm sorry. You still go on the internet? Yeah, on my phone. Yeah, it's the only thing I could.

I couldn't text you from my computer or anything with iMessage and all that. Oh, okay. Well, I'm not sure anybody does that. Email. What's the internet down for? What's that all about? You guys getting attacked

because of what Wexy was doing? Yeah, Wexy. Oh, shit. What was Wexy doing? You tell me. Oh, no. You were at his house. I wouldn't be surprised if an FBI raid cut the power. Making money. That's what he's doing. Wex? Yeah doing? Yeah, Wexie. What was Wexie doing? You tell me. Oh, no. You were at his house. I wouldn't be surprised

if an FBI raid cut the power. Making money. That's what he's doing. Wex? Yeah, he makes a lot of money. With who? He had a roommate. That's what he does.

He had a roommate there for a while. Yes, he did. I watched a doc. Big house. Pretty crazy. Big house in a big side of town. You know what I mean? He has a giant, giant property that you can't you

can't even see basically oh so you're telling me you didn't see epstein going in and out of there every single day where he was roommates with wexy for what six months yeah in the early 90s when i was driving up from dayton at eight years old i saw epstein cruising around well he's probably at that chicken place that you always talk about over there the great chicken oh that's right roosters yeah did you ever just happen upon Epstein over at the local Roosters while he and Wexy were out and about? No, I never did, but I know the great

people at Roosters. I don't think they'd let Epstein in. I don't think they would serve him their food. All right, Roosters. Classy joint. I respect Roosters. Roosters has great fucking chicken. Top of the line. We're just giving out at Family Leisure. Just add one. Roosters is getting one now.

But these are warranted. Family Leisure, if you're ever in Indiana, in one part of Indiana, you need to stop by said store. It is. It's a great store. Just a warehouse of shit from the internet. I was connected. I was connected for that. That place sounds amazing.

I think I would want to buy the whole store. It is. I happened to buy a house just like two blocks away from it, and I was just hanging out, and I was just driving down the street, and I see Family Leisure. I'm like, what a bunch of fucking losers. See, like, pools outside. This has got to be the worst store of all time.

That's why I went in there, I think. Family Leisure in Indiana. Like, this has to be the worst store of all time. I walk in there. Oh my God. This is the coolest place I've ever been. They've gotten no less than a hundred, $150,000 from me. They always put the premier item right now.

Cause they know when you walk in like, Oh, I want that. Yes. I mean, they have all the car sales tricks. You know, they put things up with good lights.

It's the hot tubs. Oh yeah. They got a hot tub out of me. They got a hot? Oh, yeah. They got a hot tub out of me. They got a hot tub out of me. They got a trampoline out of me. They got an above ground pool out of me at one point. I mean, a theater. Obviously, the tanning bed, the golden tea.

For days, I've gone in there. That store is like the neighbor that was putting shit out in the front yard that he was selling that basically just had my name on it that's what that store is a guy with add who has too much money fucking you want to buy this yeah boom that's what family leisure is it's awesome it is glorious that tanning bed fucking cooked me though i mean that was not a great one did you only use it once yep i mean would you ever get back into something that made you look like a zebra for four months i can't do that no i mean you know my little baby skin i get burnt if i'm in there for two minutes or i'm outside for two minutes yeah me too man me too all right let's move on what okay

speaking of the that family leisure made me think of russ's truck do they sell trucks like russell wilson drove to camp okay so that truck and what is that so i think you only find that online custom bronco maybe or custom Dodge. I forget what it was. That's just like the Jeep that I bought at Mecham. All souped up, has all the shit in it. He's got to have five batteries in that thing to power all the lights that they have. There's no way Russ is taking care of that on the day-to-day.

It's a lot of maintenance. But goddamn, arriving to your first training camp at mile high looking that good wearing your own jersey aj aj this dude's wearing his own jersey could you ever in your life fathom having enough confidence to walk outside in your own fucking jersey not at a charity event not uh going to a hospital not doing anything for the team related you're out in public rocking your own brand that looks so good so we did go to the website they still got seattle seahawks colors on there they hopefully will get that turned over team three needs to pick it up they've been trying to fucking ice out this goddamn car they haven't been worried

about that but the russell wilson stuff looks amazing his own jersey though showing up to training camp saying hey it's football time. And I'm sure that this isn't the first time Russell Wilson has worn his jersey in public. I put this tweet out because that's literally what my brain thought about. Me walking down the hallway in a mall and just seeing a guy with a Russell Wilson jersey on, being like, holy fuck, that guy looks a lot like Russell Wilson. This little cosplay character is pretty sweet. And then I stop him.

I go take a selfie with him. And as he gets closer to me, I go, holy fuck, that's actually Russell Wilson. And he goes, let's ride. Take a photo. He walks away. I laughed for 30 minutes. Could you imagine having that much confidence? I could not.

So I got nothing but respect for our let's ride God. I mean, yeah, I guess, yeah. Extreme levels of confidence is needed to do it, to show up to camp like Russ did. But I just want to know if he wore that jersey the rest of the day. Like, he put that over his little shoulder shocks that they wear for walkthroughs and practice and wore that big old baggy jersey. How many does he have?

Does he have a home jersey, too, for himself? That's a throwback, isn't it? Did you see any other Broncos, rivals? Are we sure the whole team didn't wear their jerseys? We are certain the whole team did not wear their jerseys. I have not seen every single player of the Broncos arrive, but I have it on good authority. I have it on good authority. I didn't even like wearing Colts stuff in public because I felt like, oh, am I asking

for people to ask me? And now I'm much lower on the totem pole of importance and popularity and everything than Russell Wilson. But him having just the gut sack to wear your own jersey, so awesome. He's a movie. He is a movie. He is literally

everybody's doing documentaries these days. Russell Wilson's like, hey, listen, I was actually put on this earth to be an NFL quarterback. Clear eyes, full hearts. Here we go. Here we go. Let's get it. Mr. Unlimited. He's got everything you need

for any energy. It feels like he is this movie character all the time. He is an NFL quarterback. What you think an NFL quarterback should be, how you think

an NFL quarterback should operate. He's doing it all the time and dressing like it. What a fucking hero this guy is. We've heard that he's the chosen one. It feels like now we kind of know he is the Denver promised child

that will bring a Super Bowl back to, you know, the great state of Colorado. AJ, what if on a Thursday he puts one of the Seahawks Super Bowl jerseys on? Hey, a little throwback, Russ. You know what I mean? Let me get a throwback, Russ. The one they won. He wears, like, the jersey from the game, the Super Bowl they won. What if he shows up just to inspire the boys a little bit?

Oh, my God. Get you one of these. He wears his ring, you think? The Super Bowl ring? All the time. I don't know. What's your problem? Why are you laughing like that?

Does he wear it on his throwing hand, on his right hand? No, he throws it on his right hand. I think he put it on a chain and wears it around his neck, I assume. I'd like Russell Wilson to know we do like you. I love Russ. Everybody loves Russ. We are incredibly interested in you being an actual movie character, though, of what a quarterback is supposed to be.

Any mic'd up that comes up from him in a game, I watch and I go, he's reading a script. That's not actually what happens in that moment in real life. That is only in like a Disney movie what happens in that. And they're like, no, that's how he is all the time. He's like that all the time. I'm like, well, who's writing for him? They're like, no, that's just his natural reaction is just be always the perfect example of what you're supposed to be.

And that's why I used to hate him, partly because, you know, with the Seahawks and the Packers met each other in the playoffs a lot. But it was just like, oh, this guy's fucking phony. There's no way anyone's like this. He is like this. He's just kind of a fucking dork, and that's fine. Jesus. He owns it, and that's why it's awesome. I thought he was the opposite of a dork.

That's why I love it. Look at that picture. That's what I'm saying. Do you see that truck he's showing off? What's that picture? We're calling this guy a dork? What's he make it up for? Wow.

Look at that. Are there missiles on the side on the back are those missiles i haven't seen all the angles of this thing look right there what's on the back window missiles he's got oh yeah deflated footballs in there he blows them up when he goes to play cruise missiles i do like that he has the spare tire just in case those fucking monster boys get no that's not a spare tire he uses that uh when he does workouts on the flip there's a sledgehammer right next to it actually to bounce off of that tire uh could go to the so that's a that's a pickup truck that just so many lights souped yeah dude it gets dark in denver somebody said that's a dodge that bulletproof somebody said it's a ram is that

i heard bill fucking saying that earlier but who fucking knows i just saw the internet saying this guy's 2500 drives a fucking dodge got that exhaust up top so he can drive it in like six feet of water of course the rapids I mean he I just thought of a guy on the internet who is certainly a white trash comedian talking about different manufacturers of vehicles. Yeah. And, I mean, that video. Do you remember what I'm talking about right now? I'm forgetting what the two are. I think it's Chevy and Ford. Who's a white trash comedian?

Yeah. If you were to type white trash comedian Chevy Ford. You'll find it. In the Google. This will pop up. First person. I think it's got millions and millions and millions of views. Comparing the two cars.

You know, like. I'm not even going to say the line. I'm not doing it. I don't know how this, I don't know how it was. But I thought of that immediately because that's what a lot of people say. Of course, Russ is a Dodge guy. I love when people get all fucking jacked up about it. Oh, you like Fords, huh?

You like Fords? Is that what you are? Oh, you're a Chevy guy? Wow. Interesting. That's a real thing, though, by the way. There's a lot of people that do that. That's a real thing on this show. What are you talking about?

The John Deere question that you asked? Well, that's different. That's different, AJ. There's only one choice there. And that only happened because of something else that got put into content. That's right. In the Hall of Fame of what the fuck. That kind of zoomed in on us.

Here we go. Zito has confirmed nobody else on the Broncos arrived in their own jersey. What? Okay. See, I love it. I love it. All the other person to wear a jersey was a Jordan jersey. No human in the history of the NFL has ever arrived in their own jersey.

I appreciate that. Norm. I appreciate that. Let's get a confirmation. Jordan jersey. Dude, no human in the history of the NFL has ever arrived in their own jersey. What? I appreciate that. That should be the norm. I appreciate that. Let's get a confirmation. This show is the best. Dude, this show is the best. We had a dead silent there for 10 seconds. Zito, so matter of fact, I just scrolled through all 95 photos that the Broncos have posted

of everybody's arrival. Russell's the only one wearing a Jordan. No shit. Tell me, Peyton Manning never showed up to camp in his Denver Broncos jersey. It's just, you know, maybe at an event at camp he might have been forced to put it on or something like that, but I've never

seen the confidence enough. And then you I literally put that picture, my wife, you know, and I were talking last night about this guy wearing his own jersey and like just, Sam, could you imagine me and you going out to dinner in indianapolis me wearing a mcafee jersey you think he does that there's no way he does that yeah i have no idea i have no idea i guarantee in college he was wearing his

game jersey every time he went to class no way i've never seen anybody i've never interacted with anybody that's ever done this have you i've never i mean i've never have aj mean, if you're being ironic, maybe, but I still don't see people do that. Maybe in high school, I guess, when you're forced to. But you're kind of forced to wear them on Fridays. There's a chance he was paying tribute to Rich Carlos, the great barefoot kicker of the Broncos, who kicked the 1986 overtime winner after Elway led the drive. Oh, fuck. All right. So I still have not seen somebody wear their own jersey in public then. Okay. the 1986 overtime winner after Elway led the drive. Oh!

Fuck, all right. So I still have not seen somebody wear their own jersey in public then. Okay? I'm happy we can go back. Did it say Wilson on the back, though? Well, we haven't seen it. I saw a lot of Broncos fans and Russell Wilson's fans going, that's Boucher's jersey, you idiot. And I was like, oh, no, did I miss?

Because that would be a massive. That's not. He's number nine yeah and also russ can't watch pg-13 movies my kids love that movie well your kids are also drinking beer out of lord at the age of six in 2022 somehow without services getting called that's ohio there's a little bit of a difference in there. But Russell Wilson was created to be an NFL quarterback. Yeah, he was. And if he was quarterback for my team, I'd be fucking pumped.

I see him show up in his own jersey. I might have some questions, but I'm also thrilled that this guy loves being a quarterback as much as he does. And then you think about Aaron. Andres Apacrinko's cage from Con Air. And then Russ is wearing his own jersey. I was, we were laughing a good 30, 45 minutes last night as I was putting a pit stitch together of them next to each other.

And then the entire conversation. I mean, there's just different ways to do things, you know? And everybody needs to remember. Why did Aaron throw his bag? I thought you would have an answer for that, hopefully, by the way. I wanted to ask him. I told him he should have dressed up as Garland Green. If you know that movie, that's a different character.

Nice. Steve Buscemi. What's wrong with you know that movie, that's a different character. Nice. Steve Buscemi. What's wrong with you? Ooh. He's got a sordid past. Garland Green. Not Aaron. Garland Green.

Okay. Let's move on. Julio Jones has signed a one-year deal with the Tampa Bay. By the way, Russ, hope you have a good season. Good luck, Russ. Good luck. Good luck, Russ. We don't know this young generation, too.

This young generation might be, hey, how do they know people could buy a jersey and wear it out in public if I don't do it myself? You know, they might be. There's no rules. There's no rules to fashion. Like if they say, oh, it's business casual, you'll see people in Zubaz pants. You'll see everything. Well, I'm actually fashion forward, too.

Mattel told me that. What's awesome, too, is, you know, just you put Aaron's pitcher next to you. You could have put Kyler, too, because Kyler, Russ is quarterback 24-7, 365. Kyler's the only quarterback when he's at the facility. Like, that's what you want. You want Russ as a quarterback. And we'll have Darius Butler joining us here in, like, a few minutes. I'm excited to ask him about the Kyler Murray stuff because he was a massive film guy.

Darius was a massive film guy. By the way, everybody that's pretty much good at football, massive film people, because it's like, what else are you going to do all day, basically, I think as a professional. But before we get to that, before Darius joins us, I want to ask you about your take on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers being able to pay everybody. Julio Jones, $6 million deal that could go up to $8 million. This came after we went off the air yesterday. He spoke this morning to local media in Tampa. He said the Packers were in a conversation, the Saints were in a conversation,

the Colts were in a conversation. He ended up with Tampa, which probably less money than somebody else offered just because he wants to win a Super Bowl. And he said he's not there to step on any toes. He just wants to go and do his thing. It was a great interview by Julio, but fucking great snag for their fourth option, maybe.

Fourth option for the Tempe Buccaneers is Julio Jones now. Yeah, I listened to his interview that he did talking about it. It was cool to hear him say, like, yeah, well, he first asked if they had room for him on the roster down there, which is funny to hear Julio Jones say that. The guy is such a freak. Self-aware, though, by the way, too. Yeah. And this is what, like, what a great addition to a team like this

with Todd Bowles as the head coach now, like veteran guy that knows his way around the league, knows what's going on, knows how to treat veterans as well. And then Tom Brady, the quarterback. Yeah, this seems like a no-brainer, doesn't it? Why wouldn't Julio go there? Yeah, why didn't Julio go anywhere else? Allegedly it was because he wants to win a Super Bowl.

That's what he wants to do. He wants to win a Super Bowl. And now, I wants to do. He wants to win a Super Bowl. And now, I mean, I'm not going to do what sports media would do. I thought he would come to Indianapolis because, you know, pretty good relationship with this guy. Pretty good relationship there. He said Aaron Rodgers came up in conversation.

I assume the Packers might have offered more money. Potentially. Might have. Or, by the way, Julio might be saying all these team names just because it was angle just leverage for the buccaneers and you have to stick with it now because will the saints will the colts or the packers ever come out from a position of authority and say we did not talk to julio jones never no never do that never ever do that uh won't take the time to do it and also won't potentially piss off their fan base for not talking to Julio Jones.

So it's a pretty good line there. Joining us now is a nine-year NFL vet in the secondary at corner, nickel, and safety. Now he's hosting a man-to-man podcast and he's incredible every time he's behind a microphone. Ladies and gentlemen, Darius Butler. Hey, D-Bud! Hey, D-Bud, let's dive into

what we're talking about right now. Julio Jones ends up at Tampa Bay. He said the Saints, the Packers, and the Colts were all in conversation this morning in a local media interview in Tampa Bay. He said there was more money elsewhere, wanted to win a championship. Ask Tom, like, do you have room for me? Julio, there's no lingering injuries, allegedly. He's now maybe a third or fourth option for the Buccaneers.

What is this going to look like, you think, as somebody that has spoken very high regards to Julio Jones in the past? Just like you guys, I remember him in his heyday. Obviously, been in the league. It was Julio, and then for a lot of people, everybody else. I had A.B. up there as well. His talent is unbelievable.

He's only 33 years old. Obviously, he's dealt with some injuries, but those teams, Saints, Colts, I forgot the other one you said. Packers? Packers, yeah. All those guys, but those teams, Saints, Colts, I forgot the other one you said. Packers. Packers, yeah. All those guys, you know, veteran quarterbacks, kind of a team, teams that are built and ready to compete right now. So him going to Tampa and being a third or fourth option, I mean,

that should work perfectly for him, perfectly for Brady. Hopefully he gets on that TB12 method and tries to stay on that field. But, I mean, I'm not going to listen to the same people that told me, you know, Odell was washed when he was out in Cleveland. I still think it's a lot left in the tank for Julio, and he's in a perfect situation now left with offense. You know, you got Evans, you got Godwin, and now you got Tom Brady obviously at quarterback.

Cam Bray too. Yep. Hey, Cam. You got Bray. Yeah, so you basically replace, you know, grump and his productivity in the red zone you know you replace him with kyle rudolph and julio and i think you know that's that's a pretty good uh replacement for that offense d but i don't know if you saw the clip uh going around of juju making a sweet diving catch at kansas city's practice how do you think they're going to work that guy into their offense? I missed the highlight, but, you know, he's –

It was like the one where he jumped into the pool. Yeah. It was exactly like the one where he jumped into the pool in his TikTok. So it's paying off. Everybody's talking about it's paying off for the guy. It's making his rounds. That's what he wants. But he's a productive receiver.

He's a tough guy across the middle, a chain mover. And I think they got some speed guys. Obviously brought, you know, MVS over there. You drafted Scott Moore. You got Hartman, guys that can take the top off of defense. But you need another underneath receiver. And I think he'll fit right in with that offense perfectly. You got Travis Kelsey, who's kind of going to be their number one receiver, their number one target, one of the best targets overall in the league.

So I think Juju, he's going to have to make tough catches across the middle, obviously be a leader in that locker room. He's a tough, hard-nosed guy. I don't think he was ever going to be that replacement to A.B., that number one guy who you build your passing game around, but he's definitely a guy that you want lining up to make

tough plays in tough situations. All the teams that are good load up in the position groups of like skill positions because they know an injury is coming and they know when the game matters, they need somebody who's going to be able to make a play for them.

And it feels like the trend is to load up. How do you feel about Juju going to the Chiefs? Now you got Julio Jones going to the Bucs. We assume the Rams are going to sign OBJ.

How come everybody isn't doing this thing? Or are people trying and now the players are just choosing not to go to places? I mean, yeah, sometimes it's that. I think not often, not very often, players pick and choose where they can go. But obviously a guy like Julio, he can do that. He's in a place where he's made a ton of money. He's played a lot of high-quality football. Now he wants a championship. And if I'm the Bucs, I would try to fit him in almost like a nickelback. You know, I would bring him in a situation that he's not a guy that I, you know, want taking 50, 60 snaps a game.

You know, you get 30, 40 snaps. And then when the games mean the most, down the stretch, when the situation's third down, red area, things like that, you have Julio on the field. He's a guy who's going to get to spots and win one-on-one matchups. That safety is going to have to lean to Mike Evans. Someone's going to have to handle God when he's one of the best slot receivers in the game. And now you got Julio, who's a lot of times probably going to be matched up on that second and third corner in one-on-one situations. So I still like him to thrive. But yeah, every team is obviously in a different situation.

Some teams manage the team and the cap better. And then, you know, what vets are available. I think the Saints got a great vet in getting juice in the slot for Jameis. I think that was a great move for them as well. Whenever you look at the season and you try to project it, we all see it, don't we? Julio's about to have oh yeah there's gonna be like week 12 week 13 it's gonna be a massive game julio's gonna have 163 touchdowns or something out of nowhere because somebody else got hurt and it's gonna be like yeah this is why

they fucking this is why you sign this is why you sign a julio jones if you can sign a julio jones let's move on now i know you football IQ through the roof it was awesome to kind of watch it be on display during team meetings questions would be asked who has the answer couple people in the room normally only Darius Butler this clause in the Kyler Murray contract which is not good for any any party to be released. What are your thoughts on it? And, I mean, should everybody in that locker room be looking at Kyler a little bit sideways for how fucking good he has been? And it's very evident he's probably nowhere

near his potential right now. You know what? You know, players know. I feel like players know for the most part, you know, who's grinding away at film, who kind of needs to do that. And some players honestly don't. You know, some players honestly have just a different feel for the game.

Some players can watch too much film and kind of be out there thinking too much. I just saw an interview with Asante Samuel on I Am Athlete and something shocked me. He said he didn't watch a lot of film. He didn't watch much film at all. It was more of a feeling. I remember having him on our podcast and asking him who was the top five receivers he played against. He was like, man, I can't even tell you the top five receivers. I can tell you quarterbacks.

So everybody kind of goes about their business differently. And now on this team, the optics are definitely bad. But I think from the Cardinals' standpoint, it was a great move for them. Yes. Smart move. Obviously, it was going to come out at some point. But we know the NFL. By Friday, nobody will be talking about this anymore.

But now they've set the expectations. Hey, at least four hours away from the facility studying. Those expectations aren't right. And Kyler knows. And now the whole team knows, hey, he's investing, I guess, a little more. And the thing about film study, especially at that quarterback position, it's not only about you, you know, anticipating what's coming, knowing the protections, knowing the coverages. It's about your receivers, you know, the Paytons, the Tom Brady's, the Drew Brees' of the world. You know, those guys are like cyborgs, and they can go back and say, hey, you know, in the middle of a game, hey, Reggie,

you remember how we ran this concept against the Patriots in week 11? Let's do it that way this next you know third and medium that we get and Reggie just kind of knows he can go back to that so when you know your quarterback or your other teammates are kind of on that different level and they're calling you 10 11 o'clock at night talking about plays from practice you know it's a different level of commitment and I think the Cardinals did a good job by setting that on that standard and Kyler I mean he's been unbelievable if you look at his athletic career up until this point. So it's hard to look at him and say, ah, you know, what you're doing isn't working, buddy.

So it's on him to obviously step up and improve. And it's on that coach, too. Cliff got extended, too, this offseason. And I think he's been doing a good job. But down at, you know, that last quarter of the season in the playoffs, they haven't been able to step it up and make a push. So it's on everybody. And now we know the quarterback is committed. He's doing extra things away from the facility.

The offseason, the baseball is kind of out of the picture at this point completely. And when you invest in $46 million a year into a player, fuck the optics. The results are the most important. I think that Carter did a great job with that. Cliff fucking said, ah, that ain't on me. Hey, so what do you think about the four hour film? So Cliff was like,

fuck, I don't know. I heard about it from you guys. That's somebody else. You're going to have to ask somebody else about all that. Cliff's like, AJ, how were you as a player? Were you a big film at home guy?

Yeah, especially as iPads became more and more, you know, those had everything loaded onto them. It was a lot easier. When I first got in the league, it was old school DVDs. You had to go ask to get the cut-ups and what you want and all of that. But what I wanted to ask you about that, the addendum, though, were you surprised, like, at the detail it went into?

Saying you can't have video games on, you can't just be playing in the background. What do you think Kyler's going to actually do? I mean, I say hopefully he just does the film shit. Are they saying, hey, we don't want you in the face clan anymore? Is that what they're trying to say? Yes. I think you're putting that in writing. Look, these are the experts. And four hours a week, that's not a lot.

You can do 30 on a shitter. That was my go-to. Anytime I'm on a shitter, I got the iPad in there with me. He can figure it out. They were smart in saying, hey, no other distractions. And then in the offseason, you have another can figure it out but that was smart and saying hey no other distractions and then they all see you have another nine million tied in the OTAs so I think hopefully you know this is you know you can forty something million 160 guarantee like shit I gotta watch four hours of film wait like that's that's you know that's not a bad I can deal

with that buddy I think you're see more teams probably put this in paperwork because we know of people. We know they keep track of iPads. Pat, we had a teammate who got called out. And I don't know if you talked about this on the show, who kind of got called out in front of the team for not opening his iPad since early October. There's somebody in this fucking room who hasn't opened their iPad

since they got it. In room your teammate somebody that's in here that says we're all in you know we're putting our team remember we got our grid chips we had our grid chips we put them all in somebody in this room hasn't opened her fucking ipad since today they got it that was awesome i'll never forget that i'm like oh shit he's talking about me i think i think he's talking about me it was not me I think he's talking about me. It was not me. Oh, no. It was not me. It was clearly somebody else. But they could track all of that.

They could track all of it. It's a whole different game. You're saying you're thinking that's going to go in for guys that aren't necessarily quarterbacks, though. Like, this is just going to become something that is now a standard almost. I have, I think from a business standpoint, like, way to go, Kyler, getting paid basically to do what he's supposed to do yeah all right like hey this is probably what you're supposed to do

you're thinking this is going to become a trend though huh yeah i i definitely don't think this is the last we see of it and i think quarterbacks for the most part or if you got a film ground on the team it's usually at that uh position but you may see this at other positions you'll be surprised at the amount of guys who either, you know, don't watch film and don't really know how to watch film, you know, unless you really have like a vet or you spend the extra time in the media rooms that can help you as an individual know exactly what you're watching, pick up different tendencies.

Everybody kind of has their own way of going about it, but I think you need like an OG, somebody to kind of show you that way. Maybe Kyler didn't have that. And once again, the level of success he had, maybe he didn't think he needed it. And so now we'll see if, you know, if it works and if he takes another step. But even if he doesn't, you know,

in that locker room as a teammate, hey, we know this guy is at least studying more and watching film away from the facility. Kyler, come here. Kyler. Hey, listen. They put up a graph of when Call of Duty is dropped and then your production immediately afterwards.

You tell me the truth. You didn't give a fuck about our games whenever we were playing after Call of Duty dropped because of how many people you were sniping? No. You were really good at the game? Oh, yeah. Okay, well, fuck you, kind of,

but at least I respect that you're just telling me the truth right there. Did you see that graph, D-Butt? I didn't. Duh. It is damning. We don't know if it's real. We have not legitimized it. And obviously there's other factors that go into having success

at the quarterback position, like your wide-out number one guy being there or not being there. But there's this somebody put a tweet up uh because of the addendum about video games being played in the background everybody knows i guess he's a call of duty player the way he performs and then as soon as the call of duty which just so happens to line up i think with the final quarter yeah of the season boom everything just drops off the last three years or whatever it's just like boom and boom. And then, oh, we got to fucking get these maps down. We got to get these maps.

Boom, all the way down. And then they're just trying to play catch up the entire time. There's other factors in there, but certainly an interesting little introduction into contracts in the NFL. Go ahead, Connor. Yeah, D, but now a training camp has started. How long does it take, whether it be like a D-back or a wide receiver or quarterback, to know, like, oh, we got a guy here?

And how long does it take for, you know, players to kind of get comfortable with each other on both sides of the ball? I don't know. It's kind of different. Obviously, the guys that are returning, you kind of know, you know, who they are. You know, even like a Mac Jones who took a ton of reps at quarterback last year, he comes in this year. You can see the difference maybe at the line of scrimmage or maybe just the throws. The anticipation is different. But for newer guys, you don't really know until those lights come on no you know those real even the preseason you know preseason games some guys look like all stars at

practice but once those lights come on and things just go a little different you can prepare as much as you you want to but once that game comes it's going to be different challenges different things that happen throughout it and some guys step up and some guys get small under those lights. And then once the regular season comes, it's kind of that same thing. It's that notch up once again. And as that season gets older and older and older, it gets tougher and tougher to perform. And that's kind of even what you're seeing with Kyler. Because it's easy to, or easier, should I say, to get out week four, week five, and catch teams off guard. When you get to week 13, week 16, 17 playoff games, at that point everybody knows what you're doing.

Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, everybody knew those plays. You knew the offenses, but the guys just executed and knew what was coming on the other side more. So you don't really know with these guys, for me, until those real lights come on. I just, more money on the line at the end of the season. You know, playoff checks are on the line. more so you don't really know uh with these guys for me until those real lights come on i just more money on the line at the end of the season you know playoff checks are on the line more eyes are on the line and there's more information for everybody yeah to have what trends are at this

point what you're likely to do remember like baker mayfield there his first two years anytime there was any pressure he's just rolling out to the right. So then defensive coordinators who have brains are like, okay, so we'll just show that we're going to go, he'll run, and then we'll just fucking feed. It'll be boom, boom, boom. And that's hopefully why Kyler will be able to get even better, right? Self-scout even in the film study of whatever he's doing. Oh, they're getting this tendency, they're getting that tendency.

Hopefully somebody will be able to help him. I'm fucking pumped to see what Kyler can become in the NFL. And I'm happy it took them paying and putting a contract addendum in there to do it. Last question from me before I think Diggs has one for you, D, but did you see what this GM for the Minnesota Vikings said? And listen, this guy might be a big dumb dipshit, honestly. He went to Princeton, so I guess he's got a good brain

and he reads books well and he's very good at math i just read one of his quotes but now is not the time your first year as general manager with a quarterback that you just paid 40 million guaranteed to who is maybe getting freedom and empowered for the first time in his career almost after what we've heard through about him and Zimmer, to come out and be like, yeah, we ain't called Patch Bros. We ain't called Tom Brady, dude. You got to find this nerd from Michigan State.

And who wants some? He wants some. That's interesting because I think that is a real part of it all. Managing the humans that are on your team as well as managing the roster. Some teams can do it great. Some teams can't. I think it becomes evident on who's successful and who's not. Am I wrong in overanalyzing all that shit, D-Bud?

Not – no, you're definitely not wrong. You're just not good, especially from, you know, obviously a GM, very, very important role. But, you know, you're not a coach, you're not a player, and speaking on those guys and the roster, that's our quarterback. That's the guy that we're – if you look around the locker room, it's probably realistically maybe eight to ten teams who realistically you look around the locker room and you say, all right, you know,

we've got enough talent in here to actually make a run and go for it, you know, win the whole damn thing. The Vikings will be one of those locker rooms in my opinion. And Kirk Cousins, a lot of people, you know, take jabs at him. He's kind of like the line for above average or below average. But I think Kirk Cousins is a damn good quarterback. And no, very, very honestly speaking to GM, he ain't Patrick Mahomes. He ain't Josh Allen.

Lamar one of those guys. But he's a good quarterback in this league. I don't think you do that to your guy, especially when you're preparing for the season. This is the point. We're all getting those first meetings and everybody's saying, hey, the goal for this year is the Super Bowl, baby. We got the guys. Yeah, we got the guys. You look all getting those first meetings and everybody's saying, hey, the goal for this year is the Super Bowl, baby. We got the guys. Yeah, we got the guys. You look around.

You look at your quarterback. So, no, you don't do that. But maybe it puts an extra chip on Mr. March's shoulder, Kirk Cousins. He'll go out there and do his thing this year. How about Kevin O'Connell in his first team meeting as NFL head coach? You know, rallying the troops. We got the guys in this room. Look around. Look around.

Questy did a great job putting this roster together. Questy, you want to say anything? Everybody's good. Let's quarterback. Thank you, Questy. Fuck. Let's go break up into position groups. Jesus Christ. I mean, that is just an interesting way to start.

Oh, man. While we speak about quarterbacks, I saw you post the Russell Wilson shit last night. War zone jersey. Public. So sweet. So sweet, so cool. So cool. You don't have the confidence to do it.

Nobody in the history of anybody we've ever known has had the confidence to do that. I couldn't believe it. When I saw it, I literally went back on Wikipedia to 1960 because I just knew it was some quarterback in broncos history i would i didn't know about you know before pre-l wing i just knew he had on the throat his throwback went back all the way 1960 i said oh i text one of his old teammates bro just sending the picture he's like yeah he said he had it made and then just sent a bunch of crying

like this is different different dude different level the truck is sweet yeah walking into training camp which like that's that's wow he's out of a movie d but he's a movie gotta be here every day moving a lot of merch team free merch yeah sky blue agent come on christ what do you think i've ever seen anybody in wearing the gear other than russ Christ. What do you think? I don't know if I've ever seen anybody wearing the gear other than Russ. Oh, yeah. Okay. Open your eyes.

Russ isn't the only one wearing his jersey in public, dude. I'm fucking A. Go ahead, Diggs. D-Butt. So I saw a report that Sam Darnold's going with the one today. Baker will go with the one tomorrow, and I assume they'll switch on and off. And then I just watched a video where Baker threw an interception where he underthrew the ball by no less than 20 yards.

Is it given that he's going to start on – Surely they're on the same page, right? Him and the Washington State. Maybe. I don't know. But is it a given that he's going to start week one? If I had to bet on it, I would bet that he would. And it's going to be tough, though.

It's going to be some growing pains. Obviously, this is his first action with these receivers. I didn't see the clip but i don't really pay much attention to uh training camp camp clips i expect sam donner probably telling sam don like look you got the leg up you've been here the guys know you know the offense you've been there all offseason it's your job to lose so baker's gonna have to come in there and outplay him um but i think the talent gap between those two players, it may not show up in practice, but when those real lights come on, the talent gap is

marginal between Baker Mayfield and Sam Dunn. I think Baker Mayfield is a much better quarterback. Since we have you two defensive stooges on, unless everybody on the offense is back and they're running the same offense, beginning of training camp, normally see ball, get ball, defensive advantage?

Hmm. The answer is yes. you guys used to fucking just smoke every single year first couple weeks deep i thought oh we're punting 7 000 times this year that's that's used to be what i would think the first week of training camp normally well you as as a vet you just got to know all right especially with the same team coming in you know install day you know, install day ones. I know what kind of simple – I know what kind of install, what kind of route concepts you're getting. I know – so you can kind of jump some plays. As things get a little more complex, it gets a little more harder. But, yeah, the first week, you know, you know, okay, I got a flat. All right, I'm jumping this curl.

Like, you know what's coming. And then the twos and the threes also quickly realize, oh, they're running the same fucking plays. Same plays. Yeah, tell that. Same plays. Tell the twos. D-Bo, we should let oh, they're running the same fucking plays. Same plays. Yeah, tell the twos. D, but we should let people know, if you're not a one, especially during training camp, watch the first group because they will probably be running the same offensive plays against you.

Say you're on defense. You're with the twos. Watch that first. And it's not cheating because they're showing you the plays. So go be in the right spot when you get in. Make the team. Make the team. As an observer, I will say, I mean, it's not cheating,

but it certainly gets treated as such. Doesn't it? I mean, there's always – You can't be obvious about it. Aren't you so smart? Just fucking saw it. Like there's a position group that is pissed. Probably wide receiver coach, maybe quarterback coach.

Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. That's what we're doing now. That's been a pro. That's been a pro. You got to take mental coach. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. That's what we're doing now. That's been a pro. That's been a pro. You got to take mental reps. See what happens. You're trying to make the team. You know, and those practices should be like damn near games.

So when you're going in, you got your install the night before, go over that install, come in the next day with some questions and once again, just like AJ said, you're going to see the same plays scripted over and over. You only have so much time in training camp. You got to make sure everybody can learn and pick up the plays and run them. So take that.

That's a good nugget right there from AJ. Yeah, I'd say. I mean, it was pretty quick, me and Vinny, just watching practice. Oh, these are the same plays over and over again. And then there would be like a guy who's a special teams guy that I liked you know special teams guy that i liked on like the threes i'm like hey they're running the same fucking place yeah you know they're running the same let's go ahead and fucking make this team here pal what's your problem that's the thing though you get you'll never get yelled at and worse i feel like a coach say you go with the twos and they run like a boot

and you're backside you're supposed to have the guy coming back across the formation and you're chasing all the way across the field and the coach is like hey they ran this play three minutes ago you idiot that's the one what are you doing stay home yeah they use it against you but then if you do it they say oh will you be able to do it when you don't know what's coming like it's it's uh it's got to be a little hey we don't be obvious yeah we're not worried about the offensive coach sometimes some coaches tell you if there's a coach, you know, coaching and trying to cover their ass, hey, because they know the script. They know the offensive script.

Hey, keep your head. Remember what we talked about. Inside leverage. Inside leverage. Remember, do not give up inside leverage on this. What's that? Oh, yeah. The ball is coming fucking hot. Science.

These are the games of training camp in which, you know, everybody loses their mind. PUP lists are happening. Non-football injuries and illnesses are happening. Not able to pass physical is happening. Injured reserve. It's a fucking wild time, D, but what are you looking at as a whole? Derwin James, I guess, is a hold-in right now with the Chargers.

He is allegedly to become the highest-paid safety in the NFL. Ari Mirov, at MySportsUpdate, a pro football focus. Chargers safety, Derwin James is at training camp but not practicing with the team as he waits for a new deal. Both sides have been working on it, and James will be on the field once it gets done. Expectation is James will become highest-paid safety in NFL history. Every new deal that breaks will become highest paid safety in NFL history. Every new deal that breaks whatever record is the highest in NFL history.

Congrats to all the players getting rich. Tom Telesco just signed Pat White. Hey, let's go, Pat. Pat White's now a coach. Fucking love Pat White. Pat White could have took our team and let our team right into Baghdad when we were in college. That's the type of leader he was, that guy.

Be loved by him. You would have had a fucking chance, too. Hey, thank you. We had some dogs on that team for sure, but I'm happy Pat's getting an opportunity to kind of finish his football life how it's supposed to happen, being a coach at Tom Telesco. Will he get the deal done with Derwin James? Highest paid in NFL history.

What does he mean to that team, and how do you just think a hold-in is just like, we're close, but I'm not getting hurt before we finish it? Is that what a hold in basically is? It's smart. It's smart, yeah. Pretty much that's what it sounds like. But it's smart.

You're showing up. You know, you're still in meetings, still in walkthroughs, which I think I'm a big, big walkthrough guy. And even back to that film study stuff, if you're in a walkthrough, I feel like that's more valuable sometimes in practice and definitely more valuable than watching film from most guys out there. But Derwin James, he can do everything. He can blitz, he can cover,

he can tackle in space. He's the one safety I've seen do a good job one-on-one with Travis Kelsey in the league and obviously that's going to be a divisional rival. I think it's important that you lock him up. Him not being healthy a couple years probably has held it up to this point.

But Derwin James is unbelievable. Obviously, looking forward to Lamar getting paid as well. Obviously, the 160 guaranteed to Kyler. You got 230 to Deshaun. I feel like he'll probably fall somewhere in between that. I just give him four four years 200 mil right now fully guaranteed that way he kind of fall you don't you're not giving him 230 he's going to be highest paid annually so you can say that as an agent you can say that when it comes on tv and

the deal comes across the bottom of the screen and then you you're locked up to a guy who's obviously phenomenal at the position and only only. He's got to get better in the playoffs. And Lamar can, you know, he's his agent, I think, but he can also get another bite at the apple for years from now. It's just good news for everybody. Maybe that'll be what they do before training camp M's. Maybe not. We'll keep an eye on Derwin James and all the other situations.

Brewing, we appreciate the hell out of you, Darius. Appreciate y'all, man. See you soon. Hey, wear your jersey next time we see you. Come on. You y'all, man. See you soon. Hey, wear your jersey next time we see you. Come on. You know what? I will. Hell yeah. I will. It's fair game now. That's what we do. Pat, I mean, you can wear this one too, the Steelers one. I'm going to get a new truck

too. All right. Darius, brother, thank you. Thank you, brother. The biggest now is a man who has a fight on August 12th for the welterweight championship in which he is the owner of. The last time he was on this show, the power went out because of how electrifying he was while describing his walk to the octagon.

He'll be fighting a man who's younger than him and taller than him August 20th, but I don't think anybody is betting against our guest. Ladies and gentlemen, Kamaru's man. Yeah! What's up, man? Thanks, Pat. Thank you.

I appreciate it. And I love how you stand up, too, when you introduce me. I love it. Well, I get excited, you know, because some people get small in that moment. I become a giant, you know, whenever I'm going to talk on you. I see. Hey, that promo. I see what you did there.

Yeah, the promo you cut on this show Was one of the greatest Fucking things I've ever heard Describing your mentality And your emotions While walking to a cage It was so good It literally shut down power

In this whole block So we apologize for that The last time Oh no, it's all good I'm just I'm happy for you guys I'm glad your building Didn't burn down

You know, with that fire Could you imagine if we did? Could you imagine? It was a little scary. I mean, we got a little high off the cooking of the electronics that were on fire right here about 10 feet away. But we're happy you're back. You're in the middle of camp right now. How far into camp are we?

Are you always in shape? Is there any drastic changes? And how does the body feel right now, champ? Well, for lack of a better word, I would say we're probably balls deep in body feel right now champ well um for lack of better words i would say we're probably balls deep in the camp right now and uh yeah we're we're deep in there and uh you know we've got a couple weeks on august 20th so that's less than less than four weeks away uh at this point the body is uh today i felt it. I'm glad you asked that. Today, my body really felt like, shit, let's get this over with.

It's about time to go scrap and go home and eat some food. Oh, that's awesome. Hey, I've heard you talk about how much, like, knee pain and knee issues you have that you, a lot of times, aren't even able to run before fights. Is it still that way, or do you see it ever? Is there anything you can do to make that feel a little bit better? Yeah.

You know, first and foremost, I want to say, you know, last time when you get to really interact as much, you know, Pat was stealing all the, he still,

he's still all the time, but, you know, I, you know, I'll say I want to, obviously you get to, hopefully you get to ask a lot more questions this time.

Oh, Jesus. Relax, relax. Was it a hopefully you get to ask a lot more questions this time. Oh, Jesus. Relax. Was it a bad interview? Come on. You're welcome. Jesus. No,

it wasn't bad. It was a great interview. Great. Uh, you know, that just goes to test the greatness that's on this show. So I see all the greatness that's here, but to answer your question,

uh, no, the knees are feeling a lot better. I've got, uh, some really good PTs, physical therapists that are doing some different exercises now that's really starting to open up some of the things in that joint to where I'm able to use both my legs now. I'm still not running. That's for the birds. I'm done with that. If I could still get the conditioning that I need in order to stay at the top and not necessarily have to run, I love it. But right now we are trying some different methods on the physical therapy and my knee's doing a lot better.

So those knee pains are a lot less severe now. I don't know how many questions AJ is going to get, but I do know he has two bad knees, as do I. You're looking at a bad knee crew here. What do you do instead of running? Because running is a nightmare. Running downhill, biggest nightmare of all time. What do you do instead to keep the cardio up? Is it just fighting? Yeah, I would say mainly fighting, you know, but everything that I do as far as training, we try to implement some way to where I'm able to get my body into that red zone. So a lot of people, they think shape is just going outside and running. And as long as I can run a mile in such a good time, I'm in shape.

And that's not necessarily true. You know, for what we do, shape is based on how you can grapple stand up throw punches and get back into grappling how you're able to recover in the midst of those transitions that's really where that shape is you know you know old timers when old time you know your grandpa walks by you and he wants to show you that he used to he still got it he used to wrestle That's what Pat just did. That movement right there. Boom! Boom! Are you really going to go up to 205? Are you going to skip 185 and just go up there to 205 and dominate everybody? Is that the plan? You know, it's crazy that people think that I'm joking when I said this. They really think that I'm joking. At the end of the day, one of

the biggest things and one of the biggest quotes that I live by, and that's because I know it. I felt it myself. Fatigue makes cowards of everybody. It doesn't matter who you are. And so you could be at 205. Let's just say those guys are going to fatigue a lot faster than I will. And so I definitely think I can hang with those guys. Now, let's be clear. Let's be honest. I'm not saying I'm going to run through everybody in the light heavyweight division. That's not true. That's not what I'm saying. I just feel that I just feel like

the top two, top three guys that's at the top of that division, I feel like I can beat. So you can run through. And then you go on to heavyweight after that. No, no, no. I'm good. I i'm good on that what's every day weight what's every day weight that you walk around at right now i've kind of got it down to where i'm staying around that 190 some days i float below

the 190 but i like to stay around that 190 because that's that's the good weight my good threshold to where i still have a little bit of fat on me that I need to be able to get through those tough cardiovascular training days. So I've got some fats, and I'm still high in muscle. But here in the next couple of weeks, we'll start to kind of get that off to where we make that cut right down to 170. Isn't that like the biggest advantage though, weight? That's why there is weight classes?

Like going to 205 would be a massive jump for you, wouldn't it? Is there, you're just saying your body could handle the weight and you think you'd be very comfortable up there? Because the guy you're fighting, for instance, Mr. Edwards here, he's taller than you and he's younger than you. But weight-wise, same. Isn't the weight the biggest thing? And that's why when you see some smaller fighters go up a level they're all they get bullied almost that that

isn't something you think your body is meant to be heavier and you don't think that'll be a bigger difference at all no um weight does make a difference let's be honest because it's different when i'm i'm if it's 170 pounds behind a straight right to the face that's a lot different than 205 pounds behind that straight right to the face so you wait does make a difference but at this level it becomes a systematic approach if I'm able to wear you out without taking that 230 pounds behind that punch to my face you know and I'm able to wear you out that 230 pounds behind that punch to my face, you know, and I'm able to wear you out, that 230 pounds is going to feel like 140 pounds, you know, by the time we get into the later round.

So, you know, it just, it's going to be a strategic, of course, I'm not just going to go in there and try to just bang it out with a light heavyweight. No, you know, pause. But I, I'm going to systematically go in there and that's where me and my coaches are really going to have to put our brains together and come up with the master plan to be able to wear these guys out. But one of the biggest things that I want to show is, you know, a lot of people say, oh, pound for pound, pound for pound. That's basically, that's like a, you know, they're just basically saying, okay, we think that if you were at that weight, you could potentially do something. Well, guess what?

I want to show you that. I don't necessarily have to be at that weight. I can go up there and still dominate because I am the pound for pound champion. No one's ever done it. And I think that would be a good stamp to put down on this sport by the time I walk away from it. Obviously, you have a massive fight coming up, but it seems like you have thought about this pretty well. What time frame would that be, you think, to make that move?

And is that a decision that you can make by yourself, or does Dana obviously have to come involved in that conversation? And how would the process shape their being the champ at one class and then say, you know what, I'm going to jump up 35 pounds? I mean, that's a to jump up 35 pounds. I mean, that's a big jump. Like, how does that whole thing work? Yeah, it's a joint decision. So it's my decision and Dana's as well,

because I have to go to them and say, hey, Dana, that's what I want next. But it's one of those things that, like, of course I'm fighting Leon Edwards next, but I recognize that I'm fighting Leon Edwards. I don't take anything away from him. I know this is a tough one, and I'm fully focused on Leon Edwards. But at the same time, my life and my career, where I am now,

has been a whole thought-out process. It's been a manifestation of what I've kind of put into place and what I've thought about in my head. So I think it, and I say I'm going to do it. Chances are, given the opportunity, I'm going to do it. Let's go! Hell yeah! I love that.

You know, when I was punting balls for a living, if I had any thoughts other than punting balls, people were like, you should focus on punting balls. So you're giving the whole, like, hey, I got a lot of respect for Leon Edwards, okay? I'm training my fucking ass off. Let's not act act but there is moments in life where you get to think about things other than just one particular fight i think we'd all be very excited to see you go improve that pond for pond badassness uh go ahead ty schmidt kamara last time you were on the show

you mentioned how you know like the amount of stress and pressure you get when you've defended the title so many times but when you start thinking about moving up, is that motivated by the fact that you've cleaned out that division? There really isn't anything else for you to prove. Would that be something where you would still bounce in between and go back and defend that? Or would you just, if you do move, would you vacate the title and just go kind of focus on light heavyweight?

Absolutely. The craziest thing, I think, is to be able to bounce back and forth and just go kind of focus on light heavyweight? Absolutely. The craziest thing, I think, is to be able to bounce back and forth. And with the weight class in between, you're skipping over that weight class. I don't think anyone has ever done that, and I don't think anyone will for a long time. So if I'm given that opportunity, I 100% would like to do it. I think right now there's really no clear-cut number one contender in that welterweight division coming up next. So I would say, of course, if I'm able to get through Leon Edwards

and then bounce up at 205 and get that strap, that would be enough time for these guys to figure out what they're doing here in that welterweight for someone to be able to step up to show that they're the real number one contender for me to come back down. Because it's got to be able to step up to show that they're the real number one contender for me to come back down because it's got to be worth my time now time is money i'm not getting any younger so it's got to be worth my time that's fucking awesome i know you beat uh leon back what 2015 does that have any impact on this fight um technically no and i said this before

um leon edwards is saying oh he just watched the fight and this and that and and he sees that you know he's gotten better technically in certain spots and and i've also gotten better in certain spots but one thing that these guys don't understand is that i'm not fighting you technically of course there's certain things that i need to watch out for with technically what where you're good and where you're not so good that's not necessarily how i fight guys i fight your heart i fight your head i fight your heart right here this doesn't lie your heart doesn't lie it doesn't matter what you're doing it doesn't matter how strong you are how big you are how tough you are this is what i'm fighting and i know that i can break him i've done it before and i will do it again hey you're a dog

huh always been a dog, huh? Always been a dog? Always just, I mean, the way you just said there, I mean, technically you can work on whatever. I'm going in there to take your fucking soul, pal. Have you always had that? Has that always been something? I know you're a national champion wrestler, obviously,

and you've been great as champion and almost fucking an unstoppable force, pound for pound best fighter. Have you always been just an absolute dog? And when do you think you got that? It's one of those things that you just kind of create it. You know, we can all attest to that. You know, there's times when you're by yourself and you're in those fields

and you're kicking balls by yourself in those fields. And you're learning where to place the ball, how to place the ball. And there's no one with you. It might not be a coach with you. It're just you're learning where to place the ball how to place the ball and and there's no one with you it might not be a coach with you it might just be you might just be you and the ball in the field and and and you as well just training there's those moments to where you're just by yourself these are moments to where you actually start to grow and build that dog you know you build it you build it you don't I don't need a coach next to me to tell me all right great job you did great there I don't need a coach next to me to tell me, all right, great job. You did great there. I don't need a teammate or a friend or mom and dad to be next to me and say,

great job, and clap for you. No, this is the times that I spent, that you spend by yourself, putting in those work. Even when it's tough, even when it's hard, that's what builds that dog. And these guys don't understand what I've been through all through my life to get to a certain point where, hey, you could be as skillful as you want to be, but when it comes down to bite down and we're both tired, you're exhausted, I'm exhausted, chances are my dog and that lion inside me is a lot bigger than theirs.

Bro, you're fucking awesome. I absolutely love you. I appreciate you stopping by. I wish you nothing but a continued and healthy camp and successful camp. Can't wait to watch in August, pal. You beat the hell out of a guy you've already beat. And then put on 35 pounds. Let's go.

And just go on up and do it to somebody else. You're the best, man. We appreciate you. Thank you, guys. I appreciate you having me back on. Did AJ get enough fucking questions? Cheers, Luis. AJ, okay. I'll we balance it out there

ladies and gentlemen pound for pound champ kamaru hey hey he's a monster yes bro he's so tough and so good like watch it i don't know how much you've seen him fight like yeah he i think he's a superstar i don't know if he's crossed over into mainstream as much as he should but the guy is so good well he's hilarious he's motivating he's inspiring and i love just the yeah seven years ago he's gotten technically better so have i so have i but we have also had a we've had a meeting before and you have experienced my fucking will and you and i've experienced your will and that is really all we should be talking about is basically what usman just said there that was all that speech you just gave about when you're alone because

people talk about being pillow talk whenever you're in bed all by yourself at night and it's just you and your thoughts what are you saying to yourself those workouts too when you are all by yourself you grow it's uh that was fucking incredible i love that guy i love that's what that's what gives you confidence that those workouts by yourself the stuff that you're doing that nobody sees you don't have to tell people and all of that like that's yeah that's why you are confident stepping into that cage or doing whatever you're doing because you put the work in when the lights are off and nobody's watching, the work you put in there will be seen by everybody as soon as the lights come on or something. There's like a hundred different cliche speeches.

What you do in the dark will come to the light. I think a lot of people take that as a negative, but I've heard it used as motivation before for whenever you're not around anybody, what you're doing there. We will learn quickly as soon as these lights come on, what you've put in, what you've invested. And that's why you put an addendum in the contract

to watch four hours of extra film. That's exactly right. Let's get to a break. Speaking of that situation, we'll talk to Andrew Brandt, the man who signed this dude to his first ever – What if Kyler has his worst year yet this year after the four hours? If I'm Kyler, hey, if I'm Kyler and I'm truly committed to Call of Duty and other games, I'm potentially thinking about having my worst year yet so then they take that thing out and I can truly committed to Call of Duty and other games I'm potentially thinking

about having my worst year yet so then they take that thing out and I can get back to not even having to fake like I'm watching the idea I'm sorry I've been watching too much film lately am I too smart

man I was much better when I didn't know what the fuck was going on anyway wound up what's the deal I'm a feel player

I need to play by feel well you're probably overthinking it why am I overthinking it oh cause you guys gave me so much to fucking think about remember that put it in the contract I mean that's a real thing like you don't you definitely don't want him overthinking it well why am i overthinking it oh because you guys gave me so much to think about remember that put it in the car i mean that's a real thing like you don't you definitely don't want him overthinking it's true and he is a reactionary quarterback right yeah i just want him to feel maybe more comfortable pre-snap you know like hey what's

the defense doing like that's probably what they they would like he'd have a little feel on what's what they may be trying to do to you hey kyler listen you don't need to know that what they may be trying to do to you. Hey, Kyler, listen. You don't need to know what other cerebral quarterbacks know. If a guy's left foot is in front of his right foot, it's probably cover two. We don't need you looking at people's stances and where they line up in the defensive line

because you talk to Aaron and Peyton and everybody. They say they start breaking down defense by the D-line first, right? And then they go back and they can kind of tell what's going to happen. We don't need you to do all that. All we want is for you to have a fucking heads up on who's coming. Please. All right? That's all we want.

We don't need anything else. You still be you. Just have a little heads up. If this fucking guy is going to kill you or not, it'll make everybody's job easier. I wonder if that's what they're saying to him. Yeah, probably. I would like to see how it went back and forth if Kyler

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Okay? And that's what everybody else should be doing. And Russell Wilson just has one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard in my entire life. The man who showed up

in his own jersey at a training camp yesterday in front of a sick, pimped out Dodge truck. Dodge Ram 2500 says, you know, if somebody says you gotta do X amount I'd triple it Let's, let's, let's rock

Let's do it, Russell Wilson Joining us now is a man who's been on All angles of NFL Operation. He was an executive For the Packers in which he handled contracts He's been an agent in many different sports He's broken down things to us that many people can't. He speaks to the dumbs as if we are not that dumb.

We appreciate the big brain on this man. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Brand. What's up, pal? How are you guys doing? How are you doing, Age? Great, Andrew. Do you miss this time of year, not being at good with the team? Not at all.

Players don't miss training camp either. My life's too good. You know, what was interesting, AJ, is for people like me, it was so different than the normal people. People that are agents, people that work on the business side, once you get to this time of year, your work is largely done. Now, there are a few extensions going on in training camp. There are things like that going on.

You've got to worry about PUP and NFI and all that. But the bulk of the business of the NFL gets done before you even start. So I would get everyone settled in Packers camp and get everything settled, and then I'd get out of there for a few days because that's when my work was basically done. You got on vacation and had to status. Wow. Unbelievable. Put that on my status head to the status. Unbelievable. I put that on my status.

Yeah, I respect it. I respect it. You always say there will be lawyers. And it's real. The business of sport, you are a massive voice in it. And honestly, your reels on Instagram have been fantastic, your tweets, your newsletter. We have benefited greatly from your brain and your experiences. So we do appreciate you.

Thank you, Andrew. Have you in all your years, have you ever, ever seen an addendum that says, independently, we need you to fucking invest in this company, invest in this team, like basically everybody else at your position who's ever had success before. This Kyler Murray thing. Now, Dan Patrick asked Ian Rappaport who wanted this out who leaked this information and ian rapaport said he had to go through some different things and not every contract is leaked publicly but if you have the right sources you can get your hands on it the

cardinals didn't want this out kyler didn't want this out kyler's agent didn't want this out uh is this normal that we don't normally hear about or is this setting a precedent you think for the future on things you just expect players to do now being written into contracts? First thing first, I've been around the league for 35 years as an agent, a team executive with the Packers for 10 years, and now as a media analyst the last 10 years. I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen a clause in a contract legislating, mandating, studying the playbook. I have never seen a clause in a contract legislating, mandating, studying the playbook. I have never seen a clause in a contract that requires homework for something that all the players do. I've never seen a clause in a contract that puts in writing a requirement to prepare for the next game opponent for what seems like a minimum of four hours.

This is stunning. This is stunning. This is stunning. We have a $220-something million contract. It was framed as 46 a year like Deshaun Watson. It's not 46 a year because Watson was a five-year deal. This is a seven-year deal. Watson had five-year full guarantees. This is more like three years full guarantees.

And then we'll see after that. But this was a ton of money. You can't say this is a bad deal for Murray because 36 and a half a year, he's got 105 coming over the first three. That's a good deal. But to put this in there, and 9 million of workout bonuses are in there, so he's got to be there 85%, 90% of workouts in the off season, which tells me and you and AJ and everyone, they don't trust this guy. They don't trust him to work

in the off season, in the weight room, and certainly in the classroom. They have seen something over these three years that tells them we need to financially incentivize the offseason work and we need to legislate and lawyer in through the contract the study clause never seen anything like it pat i'm happy but there's more work for the lawyers that's great go ahead uh aj andrew is there any way that like how would the team come back and try to get money from kyler if they feel like he's in breach of contract and he he had a video game, he was playing video games while his iPad was running, he didn't hit the controls enough? Like, how do they even figure it out? Well, first of all, let's talk about the legal part

before the monitoring. The legal part to me is this is no money. You don't get money by doing the four hours and you don't lose money if you don't do the four hours. Here's what it is. It would be a breach if you don't put in the required independent study of four hours game preparation each week. What does that mean? That means future guarantees would void. So this contract has, depending on how you look at it, full versus injury, roughly 150 million total of guarantees. versus injury, roughly 150 million total of guarantees. So the way I read this is, say we're in week one, in five weeks from now, and he doesn't put in the four hours, he could potentially lose 150 million of guaranteed money. That's the way it reads. And again, there will be lawyers, but are you kidding me? That's in the contract? So it could void future guarantees. Now,

how do they monitor it now there's some big brother shit going on i don't know how they're gonna monitor well there there has been by the way with the in the ipads being introduced into film study and obviously it's microsoft services yeah but every human has an ipad in the nfl hand to him with the playbook on it with the plays on it it's it makes it a lot easier i think aj even talked about it a lot like i was there during the transition into the ipad world and although i was not this massive film study person it was nice to be able to just fucking pop something out from practice earlier and if you just want to look at it and then we found out due to one of our teammates not never opening his ipad that they were able to track said time on the iPad and

I think they're even able to track if you just hit play and let it run for four hours how much actions on it I mean if you're Kyler and you really want to get out of this you just pay somebody 50,000 a year to just hey just need you to watch the film pause slow-mo replay go forward but it's fast do you think there's a precedent going forward you think it's you think a lot of teams are going to start thinking about this and shouldn't players like the way ian spun it afterwards rapport was like he already does this this is just you know making sure it happens like well kyler should have been offended then right shouldn't kyler been offended this is the first time that this ever happened i don't know like what do you think how do you think it plays out for future contracts? Yeah, I'm trying to look in the background of this. If we remember back in February or March,

Eric Burkhardt, who's the agent hostage. Yeah. Eric puts out this missive on social media. If you remember long thing about Kyler and the Cardinals, what that told me was that Eric went right after the season said, all right, let's go. Let's do a big extension. And they kind of said, no, we're going to wait. Just chill. We're going to wait. So he got mad. And here we go and get rumbles of discontent throughout the offseason, perhaps from Kyler. What's he going to do? He's going to show up for camp. And then we see, well, all of a sudden, last week, we got a deal. And as I said, it was spun out there like a 46.1 average, and it's beating Deshaun Watson, and it's the best deal in history. You look at the fine print, it's not that on the money and the guarantee,

but then you really look at the fine print, and this comes out. I know Ian said maybe it's not the team, but listen, we know it's not Burkhart and Murray. This is not a good look for them in terms of how it's getting out there. Well, and for the Cardinals, they just paid $107 million guaranteed. Well, I don't know if the Cardinals put it out there, but it seems like someone put it out there to say, hey, this contract's not as good as you think.

Oh, got it. And this is some weird stuff in there. As far as precedent, I can't imagine, I did this for 10 years with people like AJ. I can't imagine going to a player and saying, hey, by the way, we've got to put this in. You've got to study.

And if you don't, you lose $100 million of guarantees. I mean, obviously they agreed to it. So I think Kyler and Eric said, all right, you're going to give us $105 guaranteed? You're going to give us $230? All right, put it in there. It will work, I guess. But if I'm another Cardinals player that's coming up for a big deal, 230. All right. You know, put it in there. But no,

if I'm another Cardinals player, that's coming up for a big deal. I don't know who the big deal would be next for that team. I'm not going to say, I mean, if they get, are they going to try to say, well,

we got it in for a best player. You got to use it too. I'm going to buck up against that. If I'm that player. No. Yeah. I'm the agent, by the way,

you just gave a bunch of money to a guy that doesn't watch film. I'm fucking first one in, last one out. I do this, I'm this. There is... It's not good for either side, I don't think, going public, but we're running out of time and I have more questions for you. Travis Kelsey got a new deal that gives him more money next year as opposed to in the future. Ian Rapport

said it's because Travis Kelsey is grossly underpaid and they want him to do right by their guy. I appreciate Ian Rapport saying that. That ain't never been the fucking case in the NFL. Is that because you think future salary caps are planning for and they have a little extra money this year? So let's go ahead and do right by our guy this year because in the future we might be fucked?

And is that how you view every deal like this because you've been there, done that, just like me and AJ probably do anytime we see something like this happen? The way I look at that is I think the Chiefs got good deals right after the Super Bowl. They did big deals for Pat Mahomes, of course,

and Kelsey. And I thought those deals were pretty team-friendly. I honestly felt those teams were pretty... And now they catch up to him a couple years later and Kelsey, you know, look at the wide receiver markets at 25 a year. This deal's way below that. I know he's not a wide receiver. Best wide receiver in the NFL, actually. Getting stats like a wide receiver markets at 25 a year. This deal is way below that. I know he's not a wide receiver.

Best wide receiver in the NFL, actually. He's getting stats like a wide receiver. So they're like, we've got to sweeten this. I think this was a compromise, Pat, between doing nothing and between tearing up the deal and giving them a whole new deal. They said, let's just throw $3 million from next year or the year after into this year. They had the cap room. Throw it into this year. Make them happy for the short term. But this is going to happen with Mahomes, too. You know, the market's already passed him by. And at some point, I know he's

saying all the good things. He's a great team player. But at some point, they're going to have to adjust that, too. Andrew, every time you come on, I get smarter. I can't thank you enough. Let's make this happen on a more regular basis. That's on me, not on you. You're always so gracious with your time. Ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Brandt. Thank you. Pretty heated conversation there. This is like when Richard Sherman. Yes. Yeah.

I think that's the first time we got a chance to talk about it on this particular show. The internet was just cooking Sherman. This guy's trash. He just negotiated his own deal, right? So every media member that has an agent oh every media member was now against richard sherman because he did his own deal and he didn't need an agent so one bad thing happens boom you're basically just giving them fodder to go hey we can we can go ahead and let it eat on on the guy that thinks he doesn't need an agent right i mean we

can kind of do that and they did and then we got on here like what if he's working on a new fucking get off like what if he's working on a new what if he's working on a new technique that is as little as him putting his right foot down first as opposed to his left foot down first which is what practice is for and then obviously richard chairman will go on to become still a great football player i think after this thing is shown but that is the thing I always think back to whenever I'm like, oh yeah, remember the first time we lost our minds when people were judging a practice rep.

Oh, this guy's fucking garbage. It's like, what if he's actually getting better in trying? Because he's not scared. Going back to the Richard Sermon situation, Kyle Shanahan, I think that he talked about the next day in their team meeting.

He showed the clip. I think Richard got beat deep in one-on-ones or a team drill or whatever. And he said, like, hey, no, we need to praise this dude. He actually isn't scared to make a mistake. He isn't scared to get beat deep because we know if the media is there, if fans are there, no one wants to get beat deep. They're going to give him way too much of a cushion a lot of times just so it doesn't look bad publicly, but you could be screwing your team over.

So Richard had the balls to actually get beat deep in practice. And I think Shanahan showed it to the rest of the team. He's like, hey, this is practice. Let's work on what we need to do. Let's try to get better. Let's not be scared of having a bad rep in front of things that don't matter. But none of it matters. You know, the second camp is over, it's forgotten.

Nothing matters. In the moment, it is reacted to, but then it's moved on. But that's like when i was young trying to figure out and learn how to punt it felt like every single punt that i did in one of those public practices was like me like proving to the fans that because hunter smith was beloved here so then i got you know once i learned how to punt and i was pretty fucking good then i got comfortable like working on stuff it's like hey this ball might go 15 yards here in front of this full stadium here that we have a training camp.

And it's like you've got to get to a point where, you know, you can be willing to have that be on film. Because not only the fans aren't the only ones seeing it. I mean, the coaches are seeing you get cooked. They might not know you personally. The Internet's obviously seeing it. The media is seeing it. And it's like, well, I literally was just trying to do something that I've never done before i just want to get this is practice or no it's like no every fucking rep is a game rep you need to be at your all-time high at all times it's like that's not the right

way to look at practice i don't think especially for the veterans especially for the guys who are just trying to get better out there sherman hit every single one of his incentives last year or that year didn't he and then he went to to the Pro Bowl. Yeah, but his contract was all incentive-based. Betting on himself. Well, and all that stuff is true, but when you look at the Steelers' one, to me, competition over. You found your guy. Amazing. 4-4 on third down.

Because of the money downs. To me, this screams trade value through the roof. Everybody is watching what Mason's doing out there. Team's clamoring for QB. They're going to be looking at Mason and they're going to say, we want that guy on our team. He's lighting it up this early. Let's go. Are they trading for Kenny?

No, Mitch. And by Mitch, I mean Mitch. So they're getting rid of Mitch. Mitch, what are you thinking about doing? Mason, you heard me. Doesn't he make $10 a year? Mason? Mitch? $8, I think. Is it $8? So we're going to pay $8 a year to bring Mitch in? Mitch. Eight, I think. Is it eight? So I'm going to pay $80 a year to bring Mitch in?

I think it's a lot less than that. Maybe it's two years, $8 million. $4 million. I hope Mitch makes well. I really hope Mitch does, man. Hey, look for the Carolina Panthers to maybe bring in Mitch, Mason, and Kenny. Yeah, perfect. Get their hands on them.

They'll do that all day. Players decide. Don't the players make a decision, too, and know what rules set? Yeah, exactly. I love Mason. How about I learned a lot about some people on the internet, decide don't the players make a decision too and that rule said yeah i love mason how about um i learned a lot about some people on the internet you know and this i forgot about this thing happening whenever it comes football season i just feel like when somebody sees a clear up down

you know an up down and they call it a burpee i go go, okay. All right, so you were never around sports, probably in the military, maybe in CrossFit, which honorable, respect, hard workouts, incredibly admirable life, I get that. But when a football team does an up-down and somebody says, oh, you're doing burpees out there, I'm like, oh, you've never been around football. You know, because up-down since like the very beginning of this entire thing.

And by the way, that doesn't mean you're a bad person. I don't think that at all. I'm just saying we all naturally learn about you quickly. You know, it's either like, thank you for your service, or you do great work in that box on a corn down there where you're CrossFit. Yes. You know, so it's one or the other immediately happening. The MCDC-led UPDONs out of Detroit Lions training camp. Day

one with Kelvin Shepard, former linebacker for the Colts, the Bills, the Dolphins. He's also a coach up there. I think Antoine Randall is to his right, former player, and they're all doing up-downs. Really made some waves on the internet this morning, and this is exactly what

MCDC is trying to do. Set a fucking tone. Chop on! Hit! Hit! Hit! They did a lot. I would like to say, if you look on the left side of the screen,

it's number 50 right here next to me. That fucker's cut. Just know that guy's going to get cut. Pause the screen. Pause, pause, pause. Can we pause? That guy with the highest head right there on the left line i have a good funny feeling that there is some sort of video that is going to be shown of these up downs and 50 is not going to be shown in good light 50 i i actually

had to google it is fifth year player out of alabama last year he was hurt i think he's a special teamer being in his fifth year his min is going to be higher. The fact that he has by far the worst up-downs out of everybody on the field, including knee surgery ass having Antoine Randall and MCDC and Shepard in them, I assume this guy's not going to make the team. I am assuming that's the case. But did you do up-downs a lot in training camp? Look at that guy, AJ.

That guy fucking it up. Oh, no. He's not even lifting his head up. Not even lifting his head up. Yeah, he's not making it deep. Oh, no. You got to hit your chest on the ground. Well, you got to get your head up, too, and then your chest.

I mean, he's working hard. That guy is gone. Jeez. That's what I got from this video. Everybody's like, look at MCDC. He got his wrist taped and all that. I'm like, look at how miserable the players are

oh there's a guy that's not going to make the team that's literally what I saw yeah the browsers might scoop him up after that performance he did long pipe that thing he was long stroking that thing

it's always a punishment the up downs are always a punishment yeah it's never hey let's have a good day choppa here we go here Chopper Here we go Here we go

Here we go Everybody's miserable Everybody's fucking miserable First practice Every up Yeah first practice Get them chopping That's the last thing you want to hear

Get them chopping Yeah Normally at that stage of practice I have my shoes untied already Alright I've already been down For 35-40 minutes Walking around Everybody start chopping them.

Let's go to the indoor. See you soon. Back away. All right. My shoes aren't tied. Okay, here we go. And then I never want to be the guy that causes more. Right?

Never want to be the guy that causes more. Even though I haven't done anything in 45 minutes, I'm definitely off. So you have to go all the way in. I felt good about my form. And I feel like if you don't, everybody knows. You know? Yeah. You just got to go.

It's all, it's just effort. Just give a little bit more effort and you're going to look fine and you're going to continue about your day. I'm wondering if that guy's on the team tonight, honestly. Does he have an injury or something? He's up there, right? He had an injury last year, but he's up. I assume, hey, if you're on PUP or, you know, if you have any injuries,

you're out of the up-downs. You're out of the up-downs. You can go off to the side there. But that was not – is that the new generation of up-downs right now? That guy was doing burpees. Yeah. That guy was doing burpees, AJ. That ain't an up-down right there.

I'm bummed for him. Can you show us the difference? No, no, no. I got good shoes on. Good shoes on right now. Good shoes on. He's lucky the coaches were doing them too.

I assume he would've got called out. Fresh white shell tops got a little gold. Okay. Yeah, no big deal. These shoes, very uncomfortable.

Really? Yeah. My feet just slide into the end so the toes are just always getting in them. But they look cool.

I mean, they're classics yeah they're sweet always gonna do their thing did you tell us man you were unhappy you couldn't talk to him is that what happened yeah geez no i did not actually i when how long was he on last time before it shut off 12 minutes maybe yeah 13 minutes okay i do get chatty i mean what do you want me to do it's your show he's. He's a dog. I'm also very fucking chatty, though. What do you want from me? I think you're in the right profession. I'm sorry, Usman. Fuck.

You did him a solid, though, because he didn't know AJ's name. No chance. Kept calling him you. I wish I should have. What if I would have just called you wrong? Hey, Mike. Hey, Mike. You should have. Next time, do that. And him give such a good motivational speech

and then call you Mike at the end of it. We'd have that clip forever. Oh, my God. Oh, Jesus. Please do. And you have to use Mike, too. It has to be Mike Hawk. So please do that next time.

Yeah, absolutely. That was like yesterday. Someone was talking about. Football. Yeah. You know, Pat. You know, Pat. That's the first time ever.

Yeah. It wasn't AJ. That's the first time ever somebody was going, you know. You said that. It wasn't. You said something to me, right? Yeah, fuck know, you know Pat's first time ever. Yeah First time ever somebody's going you said that you said something to me. Yeah, fuck off AJ Yeah, I was speaking. I had to get in those awesome. It felt good. It was good moment for me. Dan's news dance. Yeah You see the night he had last night dude made a play. I didn't see a nice all you what you posted He made a play three for three and fucking obviously I mean it was unbelievable. He had dirt all over him, too.

He had to slide somewhere. I mean, fucking God. Are the Braves going to be able to keep him? If they have the money. If his agent tells him they made an offer, right? I guess that's true. He's going to get, what, $300 million? How much is he going to get?

Probably. How much will he get? What's the market for a shortstop? Small star. He's not getting $300 million. He might $150 million, maybe. What's your problem? You don't know. You don't know? Are's the market for a shortstop? It's an all-star. He's not getting $300 million. He might get $150 million maybe. What's your problem? You don't know.

You don't know? Are you an agent in the MLB? Well, I've seen the guy's stats, and I know what people are going for. He's a good player. First time all-star this year, but he ain't getting Aaron Judge money. I'll tell you that much. Oh, Aaron Judge is getting $300 million. He's getting $500 million.

He's going to get $450 million. He's getting like $10 million a year this year. He'll probably get $15 million. Yankees are getting whatever he wants. $20 million a year? $25 million. So he'll get a 10-year, $10 million a year this year. He'll probably get $15 million. $20 million a year? $25 million. So he'll get a 10-year, $200 million deal? Yeah. Let's go, Dansby.

Fully guaranteed, right? Oh, yeah. You know it. Man, with the Pittsburgh Pirates. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, you guys are shipping O'Neal Cruz out already. Yeah.

Fuck yeah. All right, we'll take him. You got him. Guy hits 115. Deal. You fucking need him. Deal. You guys suck. We're selling everybody right now. Yeah, you yeah. All right, we'll take them. You got them. Guy hits 115. Deal. You fucking need them. Deal.

You guys suck. We're selling everybody right now. Yeah, you guys suck. You're like us. Is it worse for you because you had expectations of your team being good and now you're the Pirates? Is that worse or is it worse for us never having a team? It's much better just because I don't have to act like I care about baseball and I can just already put that season behind me and go on to football season. But no it's a bummer i feel bad for people who care about it i may or may not

have been talking to somebody else from your area maybe even your same exact high school sure who has the same arrogance about boston sports sure and he gave that same line i don't even like and said the sport and then he went on a full promo about the sport and it talks about how many banners there was in the fucking arena yeah you can he's like it's hard it's hard greatness everywhere i don't even like hockey but i have to watch because they're in the fucking championship what do you want from me like relax dude okay you fucking assholes up yeah that's the thing like you know how many banners there are but i you know the celtics just went to the nba finals that kind of that's never happening again that'll carry me, we're getting Kevin Durant, so it's probably going to happen again. Whoa, whoa.

Isn't Boston mad at you for saying that you would like Kevin Durant? I was very surprised that a lot of people do not want Kevin Durant, but those people are marks, so I don't care. Oh, jeez. AJ, did you hear that? That is a fun thing about this show. We all kind of represent a group of people right obviously digs represents the italians in a poor fashion yeah i mean in a very poor fashion represents

a couple different groups well but steelers fans normally so when digs gives a statement about how the steelers fans feel if somebody or a group of Steelers fans disagree, he gets called a sellout fake coward. This guy doesn't know, right? Conor, same thing with Boston. Basically all Boston sports. If Conor misses, Boston comes after Conor. This fucking guy living in Indiana too long.

He doesn't know. Fuck this guy. Have somebody who has a real Boston mentality on the show. It's like, damn, I feel like Conor was batting 999 there for a little bit, but he might have missed on one. The Kevin Durant Celtics one came out of nowhere for me, too. I didn't know you were going to take heat for that. I think that's the one I can look back on and really remember.

I don't remember it happening. Why don't they want him? Tom Brady. The Tom Brady situation. Brady, too, but that was even more split. Like KD was 95% to 5% maybe on not wanting him and wanting him. But KD's one of those players that reminds me kind of of Rodgers. Like you either hate him or you love him.

Although the amount of people that hate him is so much bigger because of all the shit that he does. You did not expect, though, for you to say, hey, top three player on everybody's list coming to the Celtics would be awesome, especially if we keep Marcus Smart and Tatum. Yeah. That would be a great time with the way they built that team around defense and everything.

And then you were told, this guy doesn't fucking know. Keep him out of Boston. Keep that energy, Boston. Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. They were acting like I said I hated Jalen Brown. I actually said it. I love Jalen Brown.

But Kevin Durant is so goddamn good at basketball. So we'll see what happens. Tommy Curran is the representative of Boston now in our eyes. Yeah. And this is what Tommy Curran tweeted. Whoa. What? That guy wishes he could have gone down to Tampa Bay

and talked about Tampa Tom so bad. He has for the past three years. Do you know Tommy Curran's going to hear what you just said about him? So is Bo. And you know what? Sorry, boys. So Bo. Bo Curran's going to hear what you just said about him? Yeah, and so is Bo. And you know what? Sorry, boys. So, Bo. Bo Curran's dog.

Yeah. Sorry, Bo. Sweet little beagle. Tommy Curran. Now, can we pull the tweet up that Tommy Curran put out about who's OC, who's not OC, who's running what, and why it's happening? Tommy Curran boots on the ground at training camp. Remember a couple years ago when Cam Newton was potentially the quarterback.

Tommy Curran came on here when Connor was saying, we got Bill Belichick, we're still going to be good. Tommy Curran said, they're not coming around to bend. They're not coming around to mountain when they come. This team stinks, he says. Connor, this is going to be a bad year. It was. Tommy Curran has not lied to us from training camp yet, I do not believe.

Now eyes on the team for the first time for this training camp. Tommy Curran probably not lied to us from training camp yet, I do not believe. Now, eyes on the team for the first time for this training camp. Tommy Curran probably is like 20th training camp. Oh, yeah. I think at least. I think he might be more mid-20s, even close to 30. Works for NBC Sports Boston. Tom E. Curran. This is what he's tweeting about the situation happening for the New England Patriots.

I'm nearing I don't give a fuck territory on the play caller OCDC talk. Matt Patricia is going to call the plays and be acting offense coordinator, but not naming him allows Pat to let the Detroit Lions keep paying him through the end of his Lions contract 2022 this year. It means Patricia doesn't have to do weekly coordinator calls. Once again, Bill Belichick playing chess

not checkers and Dan Orlovsky was worried about this situation to begin with. Now, a defensive coordinator being the OC with bill belichick who's a big-time defensive guy running the offense we'll see how it goes but of course bill belichick's working the system and we had to have known that all along so i didn't know this is a money thing right so he's able to keep being paid but from detroit but if he was named the coordinator he wasn't um i don't know is he just an advisor and it's good he didn't have to talk to the media then at all now the whole season i guess that is nice and now everybody's gonna do this yeah this is everybody's just gonna be no coordinators left anywhere in the league there so some places i think they feel obligated

to give the coordinator title because it's quite a boost in a resume so to potentially become a head coach but just working with bill belichick is the same thing kind of you know like oh yeah work with bill belichick you're good like saban like the college like any coach that goes and works for saban exactly so other organizations other programs have to have like offense coordinator title defense coordinator title for them to potentially get new jobs if you just work in new england it's like hey they're uh fucking fourth guy on the defensive line is potentially gonna be the head coach for, what's his name? We don't know his name.

He did work for Belichick 20 years, though. So everybody's like, all right, well, fucking bring him in. Bring him in. Bring him in for an interview. That's kind of how it goes in New England. It just operates differently up there. Yeah, it just happened with Gerard Mayo this offseason. He's like the inside linebacker's coach,

and he got head coaching interviews at least this year. Matt Patricia, pseudo-acting offensive coordinator for the New England Patriots, is going to get paid his entire contract by the Detroit Lions. Calvin Johnson wasn't. Something to think about. Wow. Something to think about. Listen, we miss Foxy.

I would definitely send him this clip if he's not watching. He's going through some heavy stuff with the family back in Michigan. But, like, that's something to think about. That's crazy. Something to think about, Fox. Yikes. Lions fans. Yikes.

You guys are just being had, being got. And you're like, well, they tried to get it. They tried to pay Calvin Johnson. They're not allowed to. They fucking are. They could, and they haven't. So do it and release the curse so MCDC and the boys can go win some games on hard knocks. You know what I mean, AJ? and release the curse so MCDC and the boys can go win some games on hard knocks.

You know what I mean, AJ? I guess, is Dan okay now, though? Has he settled on them not having titles and who's calling the plays and all of that? We haven't got his follow-up because at one point, that was his number one worry in the entire NFL. Yeah, I think he was on last week, right? Or was it Monday? We did just ask him about it, and he's still very, very worried about it.

Really? I didn't remember that. I mean, I would be more worried. No matter what the title is, who has the title, I just would be more worried that, hey, we lost Josh McDaniels, who I believe is one of the greatest play callers in all of the league, for sure. Hey, we haven't really been able to win since Tom left. That's another thing. Yeah.

You didn't deserve that. Well, I mean, it's real. I haven't won a playoff game since he left. You haven't? No. Well, I mean, it's real. I haven't won a playoff game since he left. You haven't? No. They have to be good. Have you ever won a playoff game? Me?

Yeah. Of course. All sports. What are you talking about? Yeah. Every sport I've played in, I actually won a playoff game. I can't believe we lost down there in Clontown last year. Yeah, what a joke.

I took an L in Clontown. Yeah. That's how you just spoke right there. I haven't won a playoff game since blah, blah, blah. I haven't. Without that loss, though, you wouldn't have had Matt Ryan probably. Since I won the Super Bowl, I haven't. Matt Ryan, by the way?

Okay, way to go. Matt Ryan, fucking astronaut. Yeah, sure. I like you putting the onus on the eye. Yeah. Because if anything bad happens, we're going to blame you for it. You should. I like you putting Jonas on the eye.

Yeah. Because if anything bad happens, we're going to blame you for it. You should. And are you, like, a little worried that Matt Ryan couldn't get his old buddy, Julio Jones, to come to Indianapolis? That doesn't concern you at all? We don't know what they offered him. Well, they got more cast face than the Buccaneers. Julio said that people offered him more money in other places.

He wanted to win championships. He doesn't know who the fuck Shaquille Leonard is, though. No. That's true, but. Do you? Yeah, I know who Shaquille Leonard leonard is though no that's true but do you yeah i know who's jack who's jack more than mo is that a draft pick this year no take a walk don't be disrespectful to maniac oh wait you mean darius no tony kill i'm confused what's happening i don't know i i we have not gotten the. I am a massive Shaquille Leonard fan. Massive.

So wherever the fuck he wants to go by, me and him got a big season coming up. We're going down. You're right. We went down to Clontown last year. That's right. We lost to Jacksonville, got knocked out of the playoffs. That coach just tweeted happy birthday to Shaquille, and they had his name as Shaquille Leonard, so that's his name.

Happy birthday, Shaq. Happy birthday, Shaq. Better be careful. His Wikipedia does say Shaquille Leonard, so I'm in. All right. AB changed his name once, and then things started to go haywire from there.

To Ronald? No, Hemathy. Call me Ronald. I don't remember Ronald. I don't remember that. I remember Hemathy, though. Mr. Big Chest, too. Ronald.

Yeah. Ronald was awesome. Ronald Brown. How's his driver doing? Danny Boy Hustleheart? Yeah? Danny Boy Hustleheart? Yeah. Danny Boy Hustleheart's still hustling over there. Is he on Shark Tank or something now, probably?

No. He's on Instagram. He's at Rolling Loud. He's the one yelling, do your dance, AB. Do your dance in the background. I hope Danny Boy was in the fucking show. That was so sweet. Yeah.

I should have went to Rolling Loud and watched old Buddy walk off the stage too. I think everyone's doing it now. Who? Kid Cudi, right? Didn't he leave the stage because people were throwing stuff at him? I thought that was somewhere else. Oh, no.

I do remember there was not a good response to Kanye getting dropped off as the main event or headline and then Kid Cudi going on there. A lot of people on the internet were like, Kid Cudi?

I'm like, you guys are being very disrespectful to fucking Kid Cudi right now. And then it carried into the... I didn't know that carried into the festival. Yeah. He walked off the stage because they kept throwing shit up there at him. He said, throw one more piece of trash out here.

I'll fucking leave. I actually will. And while he was saying it, someone threw more trash. He was saving the earth? Cudi saw the, he saw the internet reaction of a lot of bashing. He was going in there. I ain't fucking, i'm out of here yeah one disrespectful thing i'm doing you guys a fucking favor it's six days before

and connie just drops out of this thing and i got you assholes not yeah how many songs did ab do i only saw that one clip where he lit the place up yeah four put my shit on yeah put my shit on he's already the best athlete turned rapper that we've ever had whoa shaq jack diesel come on probably give a little bit of a run for money deon sanders i think he had a number one hit number top five hit i think at one point dame lillard cole beasley he's got bars he does cole beasley's not getting invited to any festivals but i think if he was to go, he would hold his own. He fucking body bags COVID. He did.

Yeah, Roy Jones, you're right. Can't be touched. Can't be touched. John Cena. We hot. True. Joe has a banger. What did you say, Con?

Joe has a banger. What's it called? John Cena has a banger. What's it called? John Cena as a banger. Mr. Situation's so weird. Mr.

Cena. Mr. Cena. It's got a phone number. I was going to say Mr. Beijing. Jesus. That's where you were going going Just a son of a bitch I was like holy shit I didn't know he won That award that year

That's a real pageant They have Imagine him coming Automatically win Oh yeah Walk Personality test Yeah

Just seen his win at all Winner Not just that city by the the way, or that country. Every one of them, including America. Right. He pronounced Bin Laden dead to America. Never forget it. Let's go to the phones.

Training guys. John Cena's been in bodybuilder shape for like 20 straight years. Dude. Yeah. I guess as a teenager he started doing that. He's been in bodybuilder shape since he's like 13 years old. Because I've met a couple people that knew him before right before i get in wwe and like let's say back when corbin wasn't an insufferable douchebag sure and we had a friendship you know that hopefully we'll be able to find

again after saturday after i yeah knock his teeth teach him less knock him back down are you fighting before brock when's brock fight yeah i'd assume brock and roman are going to be the last fight i was seven years in the making is how that is being built i think that's going to go there but at first time like after corbin had got to the wwe and we had chatted i was like what's cena like is that guy just eating steroids in front of you guys all the time and he's like uh no he's been like that since he's like 13 years old. He just like, his body has always been just absolutely stacked. Built for it. And if you see, he went for 20 years, like every night, didn't get hurt. Feels like his muscles were.

So lean though. He's so lean throughout the whole time. I know one of the wrestlers was telling us, he's like, yeah, he's in good shape. He's like, I don't want to be in too good a shape because then if I look a little bit, if I have two pounds heavier, everyone says, oh, this guy's fat. He looks terrible. So he just stays in like pretty good shape. He's like, I don't want to be in too good a shape because then if I look a little bit, if I have two pounds heavier, everyone says, oh, this guy's fat. He looks terrible. So he just stays in pretty good shape. Yeah, if you're a six-pack and a body guy in the WWE and you go away and you come back

and you don't have the body, you're like, oh, look at how fat this person's got. That's just how it is. Cena's just been strapped since he's 16. Goes away, comes back. Oh, he's more strapped somehow. He has to just work out all day, huh? That has to be an all-day thing. Big diet.

I mean, I would imagine his diet is very, very clean, too. Twice as. You think he's doing keto or what? No, I mean, you go through basic and you go through BUDS training. Like, that's embedded in your DNA after that. I think he's a Marine. There's no BUDS. No, yeah, I know.

He went through basic for the Marines. And then after he fucking, what, most decorated Marine ever, he went to buds. Just said I could try it? Yeah. Oh, terminal list. Oh, yeah.

It's good. Oh, you're in? Holy fuck. Yeah, see, I knew that. Don't get caught down range. I was up till 2 a.m. Is that good? I'm good.

I didn't know it was an hour and seven minutes long. I started at 11. And, uh, wait, it's multiple episodes. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh yeah. Seems like it's going to be worth it. I mean, they don't fucking right into it. Oh yeah. Hey, so you're back on Chris Pratt to be clear. It was never on to begin with.

So this is my first introduction to Chris Pratt kind of as a, as a, as opposed to Jurassic World Dominion. What the fuck was that? That was a travesty is what that was. Train wreck. I'd say. Especially for how I felt about Chris Pratt.

I didn't know about Chris Pratt other than Jurassic World Dominion. Say some terrible things about Jurassic World Dominion. See Chris Pratt in person. Have to think to myself, eh, if we had to, I think, you know. Had to do a lot of that. If we had to, I think, you know? Yeah. Had to do a lot of that with him. If we had to, I think I'd be able to handle myself. I'd be okay.

After watching Terminalist, I'm fucking massive Chris Pratt for you. Yeah, here we go. Massive Chris. And I don't know if I could have bought one. Yeah. I think I might have. As I had that neck brace on at the UFC thing,

and I'm looking at him, I'm like, if this guy really hates me, and we got to really scrap here, am I good? And I said, yeah, I'm fucking good. I'm in a good spot. I'm like, if this guy really hates me and we got to really scrap here, am I good? And I said, yeah, I'm fucking good. I'm in a good spot. I'm very comfortable right now. I'm happy I didn't see Terminalist before that because I think I would have been a little bit

nervous. Oh my god, this guy's a fucking killer. This guy is an absolute badass. It's really good, AJ. It's fucking really, really, really good. And needed, I think. Like for society. I think it's something that's needed. I'll check it out for sure i heard that from other people too i think so it sheds a light on like what people are living right

now you know that are in the military like i think better than like people always talk about ptsd talk about ptsd i think this is like a very what is it about exactly like how is he helping like what is he doing so he's commander he. Okay, so he had a crew. SEAL Team 7, I believe, was his crew, his team. Terrible thing happens. Quick. I mean, like, by the way, not terrible. Something good, something bad.

Did you finish the first episode? Yes. Wasn't this written by a Navy SEAL, the one guy? Yeah, yeah. It's all in the trailer. But, yeah, there's, like, a covert op in Libya. They get bad intel. His entire team gets killed pretty much.

And then he has to deal with that as a human going forward. And like both the politics of it, the real everyday life of it, what he has to battle every time he fights. Oh, I'm in. I'm in. That's all I need. It's really, really good. It spotlights, I think, PTSD like in a fashion that I don't think

has ever been displayed in front of all of us like this. We always talk about it. We always go like, we got to get him help. Everybody always says that. But then once you watch what it potentially is like for a lot of people, it's like, oh, fuck. That has to be very difficult to deal with. And then a bigger conspiracy kind of starts to

unwrap from there on out. Here we go. Let's just say he's got a list and he's checking it. Twice. Yeah. Like Santa. I think Nate Boyer's in that as well. It was good. Is he? on out and here we go let's just say he's got a list and he's checking it twice yeah like santa i think nate boyer's in that as well yes it was good is he i really enjoyed it chris pratt's beard kind of similar to how my beard grows okay that made me feel good you know just kind of like a little lower looser not as good looking of a beard but i liked it made it more relatable chris pratt's a fucking badass

i'm excited for it he's like a big hunter outdoor guy all that was he done he just got done filming that whenever i seen him at ufc was he in navy seal mode when i saw him no probably not he's been down with that for a while jesus thank god what a misread by me i've had a lot of this literally as i'm sitting there with the neck brace telling fucking Mr. H. He's got three other projects in post-production already. So him and Miles right now. What's Miles got going on?

Just had those three things come out at the same time. That's kind of what Chris got going on right now too. It feels like those two are super in on everything. Miles is filming Ark and the A got going on right now, too. It feels like those two, you know, six months, super in on everything. Miles is filming Ark in the Aardvark right now. Oh, no. Let's go. What is that?

Oh, he's just a voice. He's just a voice. Yeah, it's an animated film. All right, all right, all right. Okay, that's good. It's good. It's like superhero life pets thing. I was thinking that.

He's got two things in pre-production. So Miles is, you know, he's relaxing right now, it feels like. Miles is the guy over there, but Chris Pratt is probably going to make an effort at it. Are you going to invite Miles onto this show ever, AJ? Yeah. He should come on the show, honestly. Let's do it. I think he would do well on this show after talking to him for a few days. Yeah, let's do it. I think we should.

Alright, why don't you text him? Here we go. I have his phone number now, too. No big deal. Whoa! You can text him. No, I'm not going to text him. We need to get Chris on as well because I need to know what his accent is going to be. He's doing the voice of Mario, so I need to...

Chris Pratt's doing Mario? Yeah, he's Mario. People are pissed. They're not happy. What if he goes, What if that is every single line? Who's got the pasta and the pipes for me to jump into?

What if that's what Chris Pratt's... I would need to see his genealogy report to see if that was okay or not. There's a massive chance. I just saw all the Italians that are watching that were offended by what Diggs said earlier today. I am 0.01% Italian. I have a pinky ring on. Get off my fucking back. But if Chris Pratt's audition was...

That's fucked up. He got the job. Yeah. I'm assuming that's not what he did. I'm assuming that's not what he did. I don't know. Maybe. Especially if Disney's fucked up. He got the job. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm assuming that's not what he did. I'm assuming that's not what he did. I don't know. Maybe. Hey, Jay.

Especially if, like, Disney's making a movie. They don't fucking care. Is Coppola directing the Mario and Luigi movie? Let me see. I don't believe so. Who's Coppola? Francis Ford Coppola. Oh, you piece of shit.

Yeah. Take a seat, pal. Take a lap. Dude, take a fucking lap. I don't know any of these people. We've been doing this for a little bit. Feels like a couple fucking... Mario and Luigi?

Fucking, you don't know who Mario and Luigi are? I know who they are. Is Coppola the guy who acted like Mario? Coppola's related to Nicolas Cage. Are you okay? Nicolas Cage's last name is Coppola. What? That narrows it down.

Francis Ford Coppola is Nicolas Cage's uncle. Of course it is. it down france ford coppola is nicholas cage's uncle of course it is francis coppola is uh i don't know he's have a great wine and loves wine sure this guy loves one oh i've had that one his palette yeah his palette is maybe the most sophisticated in the history of palettes this guy also the director of godfather oh of course that's what I was going to say A lot of other stuff too Yeah Godfather 2 Godfather 3 His niece His niece is a big part of this guy I know this guy too

This guy's just plugged into the I didn't know he's just plugged into Hollywood Nicolas Cage's fucking Paisan I didn't know that Oh yeah Yeah, they were actually How come he's not called

Kyle Bray was actually talking about Cagelini Cagelini On Goodwill It's Coppola Why is he Nicholas Cage? He hates being Italian like you do Wow

I think he wanted to differentiate He wanted to separate himself Like he wouldn't be his own guy Hey, I would like to be Nicholas Cage Cage-a-vecchio How could he do that?

That's actually not insulting at all That's actually a pretty good name Yeah, that would have been sick Digi-Goo-Yo You grew up next Whoa How do you spell your last name, Dig? Say it again Not insulting at all. That's actually a pretty good name. Yeah, that would have been sick. Digigulio. You grew up next. Whoa. How do you spell your last name, Diggs?

Say it again. Digigulio. That's a better name. Hey, that's better. Coach Digigulio. Coach Digigulio. How do you spell it, Diggs? Don't worry about it. I'll text you.

No, I don't know anybody's name on the show. It's like a running thing. I don't know any of your names. You don't know my name? You don't know Con? Conman. Conman. Okay, so you don't know my name. Evy, he's not here. You know ZD, obviously. Definitely don't know any of your names. You don't know my name? You don't know Con? Conman. Okay, so you don't know my name. Evy,

he's not here. You know ZD, obviously. Definitely don't know anything about Z. Why neither do we. Hell yeah. I'll show you my license at the Buckeye Bash that you're throwing this year. Oh yeah, that's right. All of our invitations you lost in the mail again this year. Got a table, I heard. Oh, that's a shame.

Come on down, guys. You got a table? No, I'm not taking that one. I wish we could house you, but you can come. Well, that's the thing. I don't know if me and my wife are going to be able to make it. I'm staying with Pistol. Chopper? He lives about an hour and a half away.

Okay. He'll take it. Hey, fourth and third and long, fourth and goal foundation. Third and goal? Brady's thing? What is it? We're punting? What is his thing? The third and goal was Brady. Is it third and goal or third and long? Third and goal foundation? Third and goal? Brady's thing? What is it? We're punting? What is his thing?

The third and goal was Brady. Is it third and goal or third and long? Third and goal. I don't know if that's a good name. I mean, I don't want to...

I don't want to... I trust and respect Brady Coyne and everything about him. Right. And he said that that's an important down. Okay.

It is. Third and goal is certainly a very important... Fourth and goal, I think a little bit more important. That's an important down. Okay. It is. Third and goal is certainly a very important. Fourth and goal, I think a little bit more important. That's probably the one. That would have been perfect. Probably taken already, right?

Yeah. Fourth and long is definitely taken. That's for some special teams group. Maybe it's third and goal because it's like, you know, you're kicking a field goal on fourth down.

This is the last down to get a touchdown. Money down. Third down. Money down. We don't want stupid field goal operation out here. I mean,

we just saw Mason Rudolph four for four on third down. It's the most important down. That's why. Well, it's the money down. It down. Money down. We don't want stupid field goal operation out here. I mean, we just saw Mason Rudolph four for four on third down. So we'll pour him down. That's why. Well, it's the money down. It is the money down in the red zone. I mean, in goal line. So it's money and money.

All right. I take back everything I said, Brady. He's got something going on. I saw Chopper giving a speech. This guy gives speeches and everything. And how come he didn't give a speech at your little cult event? Chopper? Well, no.

Brady has his charity golf thing that's coming up in august and it's started everyone there does yeah third and goal it's in columbus he comes in town for it's august i don't know the date exactly this year but yeah chopper starts the whole thing off everyone does a shot of jameson to start it and chopper gives the toes okay so that's worthy of going to begin with let alone help i think build homes right for military vets and stuff yeah people that come back yeah that have to like retrofit their house that got, you know, that you've got their, you know, leg blown off or something happened. They go and they widen their hallways and build bathrooms they can roll into and all that stuff.

That's awesome. Third and Gold Foundation. That's money down in a money situation. Brady Quinn's running that. And then your cult event. You have your cult event going on. Is that open to the public or are tickets already sold? No, it's already pretty much locked up with people coming.

Yeah, of course. This is like tickets to Lambeau or tickets to Accra shirt. Yeah. I'm so pumped for this, too. Didn't you say Tom Brenneman's emceeing this year? Oh, yeah. Tom. Well, Marty, his father, is a legend.

All right. He raised a real piece of work. What's your problem? I'm serious. All right, let's answer a phone call and get the fuck out of here. Let's go to Joey Dyer in Pittsburgh. Joey, what's going on? Hey, Pat, boys, AJ, what's going on, everyone?

Hey, what's going on, Joe? Not much, not much. I just wanted to ask, I'm seeing on FanDuel that the Steelers are ranked at the bottom of the division to win the AFC. I know, I know. Everyone's down the Steelers. What do you guys think? You think we're going to see a reincarnation of the Steel Curry

with Brian Flores and the rest of the Steelers' defense? Joe, you ain't got a fucking quarterback, Joey. We don't need a quarterback. All right. I like that. If you've got bad odds, it's a good time to bet. Pittsburgh Steelers plus 950 to win the AFC North. That's changed.

That's huge. Those are great odds. That's great money. If you have faith, Joey, fuck how Fando feels. Go ahead and get your cash from that now with that being said joey burrow said he thought he had a stomach ache turned out to be appendicitis had an appendectomy appendectomy got his appendix appendix removed he'll be out for a few weeks steelers and bangles play opening week i believe browns don't know who's going to be quarterback there lamar jackson and thes, obviously going to be much better than

last year because they won't be bitten by the injury bug as much as they were last year. Plus 950 sounds like a pretty reasonable bet if you're a Yinzer and that might be what Fandle's trying to do to you too, Joey. Yeah, I don't see a reason why not. A few years ago they picked them to finish last I believe, because the Bengals finished last third and they won the division.

So, I mean, it's happened before. Why not do it again? Plus 950 is good odds. Great odds. Last year, the Bengals were last. Mike Tomlin's the fucking coach of a team that is currently at plus 950 to win the division. That sounds surprising to me. The division?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a safe little bet. I think someone could throw some money on it. There's one team I'm worried about. Shout out to Joey, by the way, for bringing this up. But you guys don't have a fucking quarterback. No. Cincinnati Bengals is the one team I'm worried about. Shout out to Joey, by the way, for bringing this up. But you guys don't have a fucking quarterback. No.

Cincinnati Bengals is the only one I'm worried about. The appendicitis, I know we're kind of just talking it off as if it's nothing. Maybe they get off to a slow start. Could. I don't think they will because they bring back their core and add to it. And Joey Burrow is fucking Joey Burrow, so he's going to be able to get mental reps just like he was able to do when he was hurt off his ACL his rookie year and came back even better.

But maybe there's a little bit of a slow start, and maybe some things start clicking on the offensive side of the ball that they don't have to rely upon. You know, five-yard outs every single time. They're able to open that thing up with Canada. Maybe the Steelers are able to do it. Maybe. And, you know, Bengals, Jesse Bates is holding out.

You know, they go to the Super Bowl. Maybe they get a little fat and happy over the offseason. They didn't work out. They didn't do the extra fucking work this offseason. Maybe they come out slow. Who knows? What about the Browns? They lose Jarvis Landry and Baker Mayfield.

Yeah, I'm not worried about the Browns. Never worried about the Browns. Wow. What if Big Ben signs with the Browns? We've been pushing that the last couple days. Very likely. Yeah, we've been pushing that around here pretty good because he said, you know, Stoke can sing it.

Ohio guy. In what world would that happen? What? Ben Simon with Browns. Well, maybe the Browns need, like, I don't know, six to nine games where they don't have a starter. It's like, hey, who's somebody that knows the NFL defenses who can just get us through some games?

We got two running backs. You're just going to hand this fucker off and then hit a couple little outs real quick. Mari Cooper's going to get open for you. Hey, come on, Ben. We'll give you $10 million for six games. John Jacoby was named the starter today. That's because they're still negotiating with Ben.

That sucks. He wouldn't do that. He still lives in the city. He's from a northern part of Ohio. He's not too far from there. He still lives in Pittsburgh. He would have to move, and his family would be ostracized. He's not going to do that to his family.

We're in Pittsburgh, but in Ohio, back in his hometown, he'd be king. Let's go home. He could probably commute. I think the only way the Browns could make their situation worse is to bring in another quarterback accused of his cause. He's retired. He's still accused. What's your problem?

Holy shit. Speaking of, though, Dan Snyder is tomorrow. He speaks in front of the house tomorrow. On a Zoom call on his boat? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure the internet will work for him. What if he's using the two-story IMAX theater on his yacht as the Zoom call? What if he's sitting in the theater?

What if they get a shot, and it's a wide shot, him in a 20-seat theater, and they even cut to the back sometimes. And it's the big thing. And you got the, Mr. Snyder, do you think this is a proper usage of taxpayer money to be talking to you today? Are you talking to me? That's what Goodell did. We ain't going to get shit from this, right? No.

No way. Unless, I mean, Snyder is dumb enough. I wouldn't be surprised if, like, a waitress comes by topless or something during this thing and kind of just reinforces what they're there to talk about. Oh, man. He's got the cheerleader poster hanging in the background. Yeah, exactly. Let's go to Kyle in Staten Island on a 5RNG phone line.

Go to 5RNG.com. Use promo code McAfee to receive 10% off your order. Kyle in Staten Island, what's going on, pal? Hey, Pat, boys, what's going on? How's it going? Hey, not too bad. I don't want to sound like a disrespectful prick, but I don't think I've ever spoke to anybody from Staten Island.

That's where all the trash goes. Why do you guys get buried so much? Pete Davidson. You know what? I mean, like, there's not too much to do around here in Staten Island, but, like, I'm not the type to shit on my hometown. So, like, you know, I appreciate it for what it is, but it'm not the type to shit on my hometown. I appreciate it for what it is, but it's not the

best borough. What's the coolest part about Staten Island? Pete Davidson. The water. I guess I'd say probably the parks, I guess. Saw some good ones. Got parks. Pete Davidson. Got movies. This guy sounds like a fucking legend. Wu-T Got Parks. Beat Davidson. Got movies. This guy sounds like a fucking legend.

Wu-Tang Clan. Wu-Tang Clan. Okay. Angelina from Jersey Shore. Yeah, indeed, indeed. Kyle, what do you want to talk about from the home of Angelina on Jersey Shore, Staten Island. I honestly want to take it to Maryland, to the most hated quarterback in the NFL, Lamar Jackson,

because I'm tired of the disrespect and everything, especially these top 10 QB lists that come out. I don't know how Dak Herbert and Joe Burrow are above Lamar. It's crazy to me. Joe Burrow is confusing to you? Joe Burrow is. Just because, I mean, like, you know, this is what his, like, second year. His second, like,

he didn't even play a full year because of his injury, you know? So I don't know if it's fair to put you know, a guy who hasn't even done you know, like, Lamar maybe hasn't performed well in the playoffs. Like I could see you putting Josh Allen above him. I don't know about Burrow, though. Burrow, it's too early for me to put him above Lamar.

All right, got you. Thank you, Kyle, for the call from the home of the Wu-Tang Clan. That's right. Staten Island, New York. You know, it always seems to be probably similar people that don't like Lamar, right? Yeah. It's like people that just think that the quarterback has to be a pocket passer,

has to be able to cerebrally read the defense, break things apart. Yeah, he's athletic, you know, but he can't do what, insert name of quarterback who can't do one-tenth of what Lamar can do on his feet. I just think that's a clash of styles that people have. And the old football guys that continue to say bad things about Lamar Jackson's style of play, I don't think you're ever going to get them to agree to it, by the way. I don't think you're ever going to get them to come around.

But I am very thankful and lucky that we are a show and fans of the NFL in the Lamar Jackson era. This fucking guy is awesome to watch. And if they can continue to go they got a playoff win they're moving forward he's about to get paid maybe he's able to get the ravens back in the super bowl contention that will shut everybody up or no you think if he wins a super bowl it'll finally shut people up yeah but i think it's like the generation again the old stooges old stooges see a guy that no it doesn't look like this doesn't look like a six foot six pocket passer

that'll stand there and hit his third step and get rid of the ball. They feel like they have a vision of what an NFL quarterback is, and when anyone challenges that, they feel like, oh, it's just a matter of time before that guy's garbage. And you're never going to get them to change. No, so there's no reason to even argue with them. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We need to realize

that more in the world. You hear somebody say something that you don't agree with, instead of just reason and logic, more in the world so you hear somebody say something that you don't agree with you know instead of just reason and logic i think sometimes people just got thrown in town be like yeah this motherfucker ain't ever gonna change the way they think yep we should move on the subject or i'm gonna paint this person forever but that's just you know some people it's tough to change minds especially with people that are old and successful if people are old and successful and they've seen something work for a

long long time acting as if something brand new is going to be something that they are going to like and take on to it's like you're expecting a lot from people i think you know you're expecting a lot it's probably like when kids play like newer music for their parents they're instantly going to be turned oh this is garbage this isn't what i'm used to there's no no talent behind this all that there's also a whole nostalgia factor in there like your greatest times happen what's They're instantly going to be turned on. Oh, this is garbage. This isn't what I'm used to. There's no talent behind this. All that stuff. There's also a whole nostalgia factor in there. Like your greatest times happen. What's going on then?

You're always going to have that in higher regard than anything else in the future. That's why I think there's always a generational music disparity. Because whenever I was going through high school and college, I was having a fucking great time and I was young. Here's the music that was out when that was happening. So not only does it sound better than the shit you're listening to and make more sense than what you're fucking listening to it also brings back memories of good times you know so that's like always going to be something could take your place with the quarterback thing as well the most success i've ever had in the nfl i've been in nfl 50 years

is when you got a guy that can do this this and this and this how i view football like we just need not worry about that anymore and just understand those motherfuckers ain't never gonna change either we just got to kind of phase them out at some point which is inevitably going to happen because that's how father time works do you think it's kind of also has to do with the fact that josh allen has progressively gotten like unbelievably better at throwing every year and i don't know the stats to a t but like there hasn't been a massive improvement from lamar jackson in his past game really i mean josh allen went from scrambling a lot his rookie year and jumping over people and they didn't make the playoffs to like what one of the best passers in the nfl i assume there's some say i acknowledge what you're saying about josh allen much better. He had those lasers on him.

He said his hips weren't lining up with his elbows like a golf swing, and he became much better. They also brought him in Stephon Diggs, which probably helps a little bit of the percentage of stuff. I assume there's stats that Lamar Jackson, and if he's presenting a case, would say, got more efficient at this, better at this, better at this over the years. If he's going the opposite direction,

then he's giving everybody else a lot of ammunition to basically attack him for it. But I don't know if it has. That's a great point. Yeah, I don't know if he's gone the opposite direction or if he's stayed the same. I think he's gotten more accurate. He's completed more passes because early it was just like the, hey, if he doesn't have somebody open, yeah, he's either going to shot put one downfield or he's going to try to run for a first down.

He's also not a flash in the pan, though. Like, he won an MVP already. Won a playoff game, won MVP. To your point, if people don't like him, I don't know if winning a Super Bowl is doing it. And then you look at who Baltimore's won Super Bowls with, Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco, these big

tall white guys. It kind of goes against what Lamar does. By the way, if you can get Lamar, you get Lamar. Just don't let anybody out does. Yeah. Wow. By the way, if you can get Lamar, you get Lamar. Yeah. Just don't let everybody out there. No. They're not supporting him to. Including these defense coordinators that are anonymously talking shit about Lamar Jackson,

been around the NFL a long time. We'd assume they are old defense coordinators, been a long time. Go ahead and put them on a team that fucking has a shit quarterback and then ask them, hey, would you like Lamar? Fuck, would love Lamar. Yeah. Just like that. Boom. Just like thatar fuck would love them yeah just like that boom just like that they would do it so we can't we gotta pay them no money it was headlines oh

yeah like six different shows yesterday talking about this defense anonymous defense coordinator that said this shit about lamar and the athletic article it's like fuck this guy does this everybody has opinion like just because it's someone's opinion who cares like we all have opinions what's the what's the matter well he's a defense coordinator in the nfl there's other people that want to be defense coordinators still a human like still a human that has biases and whatever so well in i mean we are also a group that does overreact a little bit remember we were we wanted sando to roll over his information on who voted fucking Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes as tier two

so that the fans of that team know that that person isn't representing the team that they are a fan of. That's right. Sando wouldn't tell us, AJ. Yeah, he's a dog. Well, he's not going to give up his sources. I like Sando a lot. He was good on our show. He was.

He was really good. I didn't expect that at all. Ryder, this guy's going to suck. He was awesome. He was really good. Really, really. We should get him on more. We need to do away with the tier system, though.

That's kind of Sandoz bread and butter, though. Yeah, is he the Hanzoose of the tier system? Yeah, I think he is, actually. We need more tiers, then. Fucking more tiers. Alright, let's get out of here. We all appreciate you so much for watching and listening. There's just more shit to talk about tomorrow.

Dan Snyder, baby. Let's see what he does. And then the next day, there's more shit to talk about tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And the next day. So this is awesome. We got five, six more months of football talk and football happenings. We are very lucky to be here. Thank you for spending your offseason with us. The regular season is about to be good.

I guess I can break this news. Big breaking news tomorrow. Here we go. Let's rock. Big breaking news tomorrow. There's a lot of breaking news coming. Just when do we do them? Let's rock.

A lot of things have been happening in the dark, and they're about to come to light. A lot of conversations and networking and handshaking and deciding what I'm going to do, what we're not going to do, where we're going to go, what we're not going to definitely ever agree to doing that's all been happening it's been here it's been heavy on my heart i'm happy we're getting over it i'm happy we're getting past it it's not easy i think a lot of these things i assume some business class will maybe teach it to you. But how? No, not with what you're doing.

Everything you're doing, no. There's no class for that. And I'm a dipshit, obviously. And the way I handle things by myself, and I want me to speak for our company as opposed to somebody else that doesn't know our company. I would like to do it, so I want to hear what they're saying and what they're not saying. And when something gets presented, my first thought is, I ain't fucking doing that.

And then I have to like, I owe our business me actually listening and thinking what the upside could be here. There's a reason that they pitched this. There has to be some sort of upside. And there's been a couple times where it's like, no, I ain't fucking doing that. And then I listen. I'm like, yeah, I ain't fucking doing it. That was a waste of, that was a waste of 45 minutes

of my life right there. I shouldn't even listen to that. I don't have time. I wish I had more time. Talk to you next year maybe. See you later. And then another one will come and I'll be like,

that's fucking stupid. And then they lay it out and I'm like, all right, that actually. I can see how that is. All right, that's actually pretty smart. Thank you for doing that as opposed to just, you know,

as soon as I told you bad idea, just kind of leaving, and you can actually come back and explain what it is. I appreciate you taking the time. So there's a lot of that going on, and I'm intrigued to know, like, what I would have learned if I did have business chops at all other than Shark Tank, you know? I mean, you're living it.

Everything that anybody learns, it's on-the-job training. Like, you can have your major in college can be whatever it is. Whenever you get your first real job, that's when you actually learn what you're doing. You're not going to lean on a whole lot of stuff you learned in college. Yeah, I can. Live reps. Well, I didn't learn anything in college. I mean, what are we talking about?

That's what I'm saying. I attended no classes. Maybe the only thing would have been terminology, but that's about it. Yeah, there is some shit that's in these legalese every once in a while. Oh, Force Majeure. Remember, we learned all about Force Majeure. That was a big deal. And now every motherfucker's learned about that.

They've signed any contract ever, anywhere. Nope. It's been fun, though. You know, quite an evolution. I think... Nope. I'm not going to do it. I am not in a position to give advice to anybody.

Nope. Let's get out of here. Breaking news coming tomorrow. Hammer down in about 15 minutes at youtube.com forward slash hammer down. Is hammer down up to something? Maybe. See you guys in about 13, 14 minutes on Hammer Down. We'll see you all tomorrow.

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